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Afternoon folks. Welcome to our third and final Daily Politics | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
Special on the Liberal Democrat conference in Brighton. Today, two | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
shows for the price of one. Yes, this one will run until 1:00pm. | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
Then we'll be back from 2:30pm until 4:30pm with live coverage and | :00:56. | :01:04. | |
analysis of Nick Clegg's conference speech. In which he's going to tell | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
the party faithful to return to their constituencies and prepare | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
for more vitriol and abuse. Yes, amid dire poll ratings, the Deputy | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
Prime Minister will tell his flock they have to grin and bear it, but | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
that he is paving the way for a better, more meaningful future for | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
the Lib Dems. We'll be talking to the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
Danny Alexander, and asking him how all his deficit and spending cuts | :01:29. | :01:35. | |
are going. Adam has been out with his balls - again - asking if Nick | :01:35. | :01:45. | |
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should stay or go. He's got a massively difficult job and he | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
deserves free balls. And David Cameron is to appear on one of | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
America's best-loved chat shows. But will he have a bad hair day | :01:54. | :02:03. | |
like Boris Johnson? How long have you been cutting your own hair? | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
LAUGHTER All that in the next hour and with | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
us for the duration journalist and commentator John Kampfner and | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
Stephen Tall, the editor of the website Liberal Democrat Voice. | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
Welcome. So Nick Clegg takes to the stage at just after 3:00pm. It's a | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
tough gig for him and he'll need to craft a mesage not just for his | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
disillusioned supporters, but the even more disillusioned wider | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
electorate. There is no challenge to his leadership in Brighton, but | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
if things don't improve in the next 12 months that might not be true of | :02:31. | :02:40. | |
the 2013 Lib Dem conference. Is he living on borrowed time? He's got a | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
year in which to hope that the economy starts to rise and nobody | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
will use the term green shoots. The economists can decide where we are | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
in terms of beginnings of recovery, growth or bottoming out or whatever. | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
He also needs to show the party there is a purpose. It's not just | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
being in government for the sake, but bringing forward real liberal | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
measures and the thing I've been saying for some time now is it's | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
one thing to have negative compromise, trying to make the | :03:11. | :03:19. | |
Tories a little less nasty to a reason to vote, but it's bruthing. | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
You have to have positive -- grudging. You have to have positive | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
compromise, to have liberal things that people are going to be happy | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
to go out on to the doorsteps and really persuade people to vote for | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
them. Do you agree he has a year to sort it out, or he will face | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
leadership problems? I think he has got a year's grace and I think I | :03:42. | :03:51. | |
agree with John, the economy will be key. There's a new word, | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
proalition and it's about getting away from the idea that the Lib | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
Dems are in government is to block the nasty Tories doing eve. That's | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
what everyone has been saying. Mr Clegg has been saying that and | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
Vince Cable has said nothing but that. He saved us from the Tory | :04:10. | :04:16. | |
headbangers. Tim Farron has been using the phrase, distinctive, not | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
distructive and he's trying to get the measure - Where do they get | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
them from? Soundbites are fantastic. It's the balance between stopping | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
the Tories doing the stuff if they were in majority and proving that | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
the Liberal Democrats have prosive ideas put forward in government. | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
Are you surprised, if you agree with what he was saying -- if you | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
agree with what I was saying. always agree. I like a challenge. | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
Are you surprised that Vince Cable - if Mr Clegg was to fall under a | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
bus that Vince Cable is a clear alternative? That seems to be the | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
case. Tim Farron seems to be saying, "Remember me." What I said in | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
columns about Vince Cable is he's in danger of almost repeating but | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
in reverse Nick Clegg's biggest mistake in the first year, which | :05:08. | :05:15. | |
was being seen to be too close to David Cameron. Vince Cable and his | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
love-in with Ed Balls, I think that does in reverse. I've always said | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
to the Lib Dems, you've got to say this is a business relationship. | :05:24. | :05:31. | |
This is two companies coming together. We advocate A and they B | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
and for the national interest we have agreed on C. Rather than this | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
sort of, we really like these people. You can do this without | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
being confrontational and tachy. You do it in a prove -- tetchy. You | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
do it in a professional way. That was the mistake and they're still | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
trying to recover from that and to put to the people a very clear | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
proposition in which you can also say, if, as we hope, there is a | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
hung Parliament in the next election, the Lib Dems can choose | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
on the basis of who is the largest party and who is more - They may | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
not win whatever happens? That's not a great possession for the | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
people? You often say the electorate gets the government in a | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
Parliament system what it likes. would never be that rude. What has | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
made this difficult for us to cover is a whole host of ideas have been | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
thrown out. Some new and some recycled, but the moment you ask | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
questions about them there's total confusion over what they are | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
standing for. What did Nick Clegg mean by the top 10% and wealth tax? | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
How would you establish the property values for a mansion tax? | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
All sorts of other things, that we can't get any flesh on the bones in | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
You have two different bits there. You have the Liberal Democrats | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
within the conference trying to establish broad principles, because | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
a lot of what we hear from the media is no-one knows what they | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
stand for now. You have to get that across in simple terms. The slogan | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
was fairer taxes in tough times. We are moving away from income taxes | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
on the poor to wealth taxes on the rich. That's the big picture, but | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
the detail has to be worked up. That's what you are after, | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
understandably, but in terms of what we are trying to make sure is | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
the headline that people hear, that's the key. Gentlemen, thank | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
you very much. $$YYELLOW Let's get a sense of the mood at conference | :07:29. | :07:39. | |
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and talk to the Guardian's Polly Toynbee and Sam Coates of the Times. | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
Do the party faithful want to here vitriol and abuse? Ehave a lot of | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
members and they know that. They've lost half of the votes. They know | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
that well and they seem rather stunned, very loyal. I think they | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
mostly believe there is no alternative for the time being, but | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
you have to remember how many have already departed. They made a bold | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
stand this time, with some of the things that Liberal Democrats | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
really do stand for, on assisted dying for instance. On planning. | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
Also on secret courts. These are good civil rights issues for them. | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
On the really important things, what this Government is doing, | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
they've made no difference at all. Sam Coates, we'll talk about those, | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
which is targeting wealthy pensioners, about Nick Clegg. Is | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
that brave or mad? I think it's probably sensible. There are | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
growing numbers of people. The Sun is running a campaign saying take | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
away the benefits from more wealthy pensioners. Why someone like me is | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
getting a bus pass? It's not a huge amount of money, but it's sensible. | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
What's the point in talking about it when it's after the next | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
election. A lot of things are after the next election. Some time in the | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
distance. Wish lists. Not things actually happening. Sam Coates, | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
talking of mansion tax, we have mentioned it briefly. Is George | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
Osborne totally cold on that idea, do you think? Oddly enough I think | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
he's a bit more reacceptive. The big problem is that David Cameron | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
isn't in it. He has been pleased with the way he's managed to block | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
that in negotiations to date. I think we are getting to the stage | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
in this Parliament where I suspect that Nick Clegg thinks it's | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
unlikely to happen in the next two- and-a-half years and he'll put it | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
in the back pocket for the next general election. There are all | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
sorts of complicated questions over quite how you would value the top- | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
rate properties that you would target with the superrate tax. | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
David Cameron doesn't want to do it. I can't quite see why they're going | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
on about it now, given it's unlikely to happen. What about the | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
level of Tory bark, Sam? You always expect there to be a little bit. Is | :09:50. | :09:57. | |
there a point on which it can go too far and be detrimental? I think | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
there's a wider problem. There has been over the last ten days just | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
quite a lot of whinging. We started with an apology and attacking the | :10:06. | :10:13. | |
Tories for various stances that they've taken on the environment | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
and their attitude to the less well-off. The challenge for Nick | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
Clegg today is that he's got to present a big and bold and positive | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
version of what liberal government would look like, rather than | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
indulging the activist in what the Tories won't let them do. You can | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
end up talking about the fantasy world of stuff that happens after | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
the next general election, but to the extent that the public are | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
listening, they want to hear what difference they'll make in | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
government now. That conversation is remarkably missing from quite a | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
lot of the discussions that you have here. Finally, Poly, is there | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
a sense of a disconnect between the Parliamentary party and the party | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
faithful? I don't think there is very much discorrect between the | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
two. The party faithful are a dwindled band. A lot of parties | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
have nobody left in them. They are losing councillors by the shed load | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
every May. I think what we are getting though is a world of | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
fantasy where you are going to have Nick Clegg saying, "We are on the | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
path to prosperity." That's the reason for the coalition, but the | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
truth is we are not on the path to prosperity. The deficit is rising | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
and it's very scary where we are now. It hasn't worked. Austerity | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
hasn't worked here or in Europe. Austerity is the great disaster and | :11:32. | :11:40. | |
it's never been a Liberal Democrat policy. Now they're having to | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
present Conservatives and obey the policy. That is the great disaster. | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
Thank you both very much. Enjoy the speech. You may have seen pictures | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
earlier this week of a special mug at Lib Dem Conference carrying Nick | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
Clegg's tuition fees apology. For reasons that are unclear they've | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
sold out. Perhaps they were incredibly popular. Or perhaps they | :12:00. | :12:06. | |
didn't make very many. Anyway, the good news is you can still get your | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
hands on a better mug that's not sold out. It's not even sold. And | :12:10. | :12:17. | |
it's not remotely sorry, just proud to be a Daily Politics mug. If you | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
want one all you have to do is win our Guess the Conference Year | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
competition. We'll remind you how to enter in a minute, but let's see | :12:23. | :12:33. | |
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if you can remember when this happened. As midnight struck 11 | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
countries combined their currencies for the first time since the Rome | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
an empire. # We've come a long, long way | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
together # Through the hard times... # | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
# Oh, I want to get away # I want to fly away | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
# Before he even began he received a standing ovation, which he | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
greeted with his characteristically rye remark. I bet you wouldn't have | :13:06. | :13:16. | |
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done that if I was staying! moment the last rays of light | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
disappear as the moon covers the face of the sun. | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
MUSIC No, he wasn't looking aloft for | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
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your answer to us to our special quiz e-mail address, which is: You | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
can see the full terms and conditions for the competition on | :14:16. | :14:24. | |
the website. That's: While many are worried about paying next month's | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
bills and Christmas is only 89 days away, folks, just to depress you, | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
the Liberal Democrats are already getting hot and bothered about how | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
they'll make savings after 2015. The Liberal Democrats know they | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
need to make even more savings after the next election, but they | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
would rather the rich paid more to help plug the gap. So, is Danny | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
Alexander Robin Hood? The Chancellor announced last year that | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
austerity will continue into the next Parliament. And set the target | :14:56. | :15:02. | |
of savings �16 billion in 2015-16. Mr Osborne is thought to favour a | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
freeze in benefits and cuts of �10 billion to the welfare budget. This | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
is unpopular with Liberal Democrats, who would rather target the wealthy. | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
Their first is tax avoidance and they hope to raise �9 billion by | :15:16. | :15:26. | |
There has been a lot of talk at this conference about a mansion tax | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
- and the Lib Dems want any home worth more than �2 million to be | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
subject to a 1% annual charge. And Nick Clegg told the BBC yesterday | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
that it might be time for universal benefits for wealthy pensioners to | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
end. The Lib Dem leader said it can't be right that hard up working | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
people are paying for free bus passes, the winter fuel allowance | :15:42. | :15:52. | |
and free TV licences for millionaire pensioners. The Chief | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, can join us now from | :15:55. | :16:01. | |
Brighton. Let's start with the current situation about cats. You | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
say repeatedly that cutting the deficit is at the core of the | :16:05. | :16:11. | |
purpose of the coalition. Why it is the deficit 22% higher than last | :16:11. | :16:20. | |
financial year? Part of an hour... Reducing the deficit and dealing | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
with the financial problems is the core purpose of the coalition. We | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
set out in 2010 plans that would reduce public spending by a �2 | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
million, as well as tax rises. Part of the thing that people need to | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
understand about the plan is there are also flexibilities built in. | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
There Rupp automatic stabilisers where benefits, payments and tax | :16:45. | :16:51. | |
receipts are just an borrowing response to deal with adverse | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
economic circumstances. They are operating to the fold. But as | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
appropriate as you go through difficult times in the economy. -- | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
the full. This has proved to be more tough and the euro crisis is | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
more severe. Those automatic stabilisers should respond in the | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
way they do. It has the practical effect of your deficit-cutting | :17:15. | :17:23. | |
strategy now going into reverse. On current trends, this year's deficit | :17:23. | :17:31. | |
will be bigger than last year. Look! We have had three, four | :17:31. | :17:40. | |
month... Five months figures. saw tax receipts fall in the early | :17:40. | :17:49. | |
months. I do not want to know - as I do I do not know what will happen | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
the -- I do not know what will happen with the next figures. There | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
is a lot of uncertainty about the forecast. I was not get into the | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
business of trying to forecast the forecasters. We have had five | :18:04. | :18:11. | |
months and you have 22% last year. Let's stick to the deficit. It is | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
at the core of your purpose. You claim public spending needs to be | :18:16. | :18:24. | |
cut to balance the books. Why is total public spending down of only | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
1% in two point five years of coalition government? In real terms, | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
total public spending has fallen substantially. We have made | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
substantial savings in welfare and departmental budgets. We have cut | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
administration budgets across government by 33% and, in some | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
departments, up more than that. The spending cuts happen progressively | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
year after year. We have set out a plan that reduces in real terms | :18:54. | :19:04. | |
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You say you are cutting public spending. Why is current spending | :19:18. | :19:24. | |
3% higher than last year? Current spending is ever-so-slightly below | :19:24. | :19:34. | |
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the forecast for this stage in the air it is below the forecast | :19:35. | :19:43. | |
overall. We are seeing the automatic stabilisers helping deal | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
with the difficulties in the economy. That is part of the plan | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
we have for the economy. It means the deficit also rises. Of can I | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
just finish? The underlining reductions and departmental | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
spending carry on regardless. deficit is rising as it that is | :20:05. | :20:12. | |
contrary to everything you stand for. I can give you the same | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
answers. This government is totally committed to dealing with the mess | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
in our public finances - to bring the deficit down. That is what we | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
set out to do when we started. We have a clear and credible plan that | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
commands confidence in the markets. It is keeping interest rates very | :20:31. | :20:41. | |
:20:41. | :20:44. | ||
low. There is a flexibility and pragmatic sense in that plan. | :20:44. | :20:51. | |
except that to save a decent sum of money it would have to affect the | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
affluent pensioners? Look! We need to look at a whole range of ideas. | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
We have not make decisions on any particular spending reductions as | :21:00. | :21:10. | |
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yet. A one not engaged in a process of elimination we need to look at | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
these things in the next Parliament. When you are making decisions | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
elsewhere, I think this needs to be tested to see if it is justifiable. | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
That is a proper place to look, given what we have to do is make | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
difficult decisions affecting every single person in this country. The | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
burden of those reductions must be shared fairly. But as were a lot of | :21:41. | :21:48. | |
the conversation this week has been about going further. -- that is why | :21:48. | :21:54. | |
a lot of the conversation. Beth we come on to that. With a mansion tax, | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
how do you establish what properties are worth over �2 | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
million? How long would it take you to do that? Probably a year or two | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
to work through all the processes we need to put in place with a | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
mansion tax. That is something that is practically deliverable. It | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
affects a small number of properties. You would have to value | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
them. The Valuation Office Agency would be able to carry out at work. | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
What we're doing at this conference is making the case for a mansion | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
tax, the case for an argument that those living in the most expensive | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
properties over �2 million should pay an additional amount to help us | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
do with his big puncher problems we have. I just wondered how long it | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
would take to do the valuation. You have said two years. How much would | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
that raised? That would depend on what you set the rate tax. What | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
would you do? The proposal we put forward in our manifesto at the | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
last election Reserve would raise �1.9 billion. That will have | :23:01. | :23:09. | |
changed slightly. You could set a lower rate which would raise less. | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
The order of �2 billion is what our proposals would raise. A rounding | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
error in the accounts. When it came to your stand-up routine... Can I | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
take you are on that? I would not call it a rounding error. A | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
substantial sum of money. We are looking for �16 billion of deficit- | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
reduction money. That would be a significant contribution in meeting | :23:36. | :23:43. | |
that gap. When it came to a stand- up routine yesterday, why did you | :23:43. | :23:51. | |
employ Sarah Teather, as a scriptwriter? It was a conference | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
speech. I had serious points to make and if you light hearted | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
remarks as well. It is a proper weight to carry out a speech. I | :24:00. | :24:07. | |
enjoy delivering it. -- a proper way. That is the way of the world. | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
It is nice to see you smile. Thank you for joining us from Brighton. | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
The pointer was trying to make in the questions is not to do with | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
party politics. --. I was trying to make. The way politics is going now, | :24:23. | :24:29. | |
it is starting to rise again. long as that continues, Danny | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
Alexander was making the point, or clutching at straws, that more | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
people would pay tax and may be the first demands of the she would not | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
be as bad when it comes round. These jobs have already been | :24:42. | :24:49. | |
created. There are already paying tax. It depends when. -- they are | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
already. We have only got the employment figures for the last | :24:53. | :25:02. | |
five months. They met in the labour force. The other interesting point | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
ears, even if you get the situation... You look back to 1997, | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
I am old enough to remember that but you are not, Andrew! Labour won | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
on the back of a narrative, which was that the economy is in a big | :25:14. | :25:20. | |
mess and we need to sort it out and public services. The economy was | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
recovering under Kenneth Clarke as Chancellor. The public had tuned | :25:24. | :25:31. | |
out to that. Even if they really dismal scenario for the coalition | :25:31. | :25:38. | |
government, even if in 2013/2014, things start to bottom out and | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
improve, the public will not see that. It always takes a long time | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
from economic statistics to really get into people's psychology. | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
seems to me that the coalition has been remarkably united over deficit | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
reduction. It would be very hard for people like me to get a piece | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
of cigarette paper between them. If a whole deficit plan begins to | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
unravel, as the first five months of this financial year suggests, | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
that is a whole new ball game for the coalition. Danny Alexander | :26:11. | :26:17. | |
cannot see it but I can. Most of the coalition recognises that plan | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
A is not working. It is not surprising the deficit is going up. | :26:23. | :26:30. | |
We are in recession. Those measures are starting to kick in. Going back | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
to 1992, there is an opportunity for the coalition. If you remember | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
Ben, but John Major line was called upon. There was a faltering | :26:41. | :26:48. | |
recovery kicking in. That is what the coalition hopes. Come 2015, you | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
have a coalition with a very slight recovery. That will feed through to | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
income us and mean that Labour will not be able to come back and say, | :26:56. | :27:02. | |
the economy was better under us. is a double benefit. It is also the | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
subliminal message that you cannot trust Ed Miliband with the economy. | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
Now since his last party conference, Nick Clegg's had a bit of a stormy | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
year. It ended in one big apology. But who knows maybe he has a number | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
one to look forward to. We sent the FT's George Parker and his | :27:17. | :27:27. | |
:27:27. | :27:48. | ||
favourite battery-operated toy for When you are the captain of a | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
political party, the sailing can get quite choppy. That is | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
particularly the case if you are happening to work with another | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
captain with his own ship to worry about. Someone who might have a | :27:59. | :28:08. | |
different idea about we were going. -- where you are going. Bustard was | :28:08. | :28:15. | |
supposed to be the time for the S S Lib Dems to steer away from the | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
storm with the tuition fees. Then came the Lords reform bill. In June, | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
he was charting a perilous course through the House of Commons. | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
the heart of this Bill, Mr Speaker, it is the vision of a House of | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
Lords which is more modern, more representative and more legitimate. | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
Within months that Bill was sunk. Torpedoed by backbenchers from his | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
own coalition. Something that Nick Clegg is unlikely to forget. | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
Conservative Party is not honouring the commitment to Lords reform. As | :28:48. | :28:55. | |
a result, part of our contract has now been broken. Clearly I cannot | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
permit a situation where Conservative rebels can pick and | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
choose the parts of the contract they like, while Liberal Democrat | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
MPs are bound to the entire agreement. Lib Dems were left | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
wondering whether they had been sold down the river and what their | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
retaliation should be. Nick Clegg has now made that clear. David | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
Cameron can wave goodbye to the Commons Andrew review that would | :29:19. | :29:29. | |
:29:29. | :29:31. | ||
have helped him win next election. -- boundary review. Nick Clegg was | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
absent from the House of Commons as David Cameron gave his statement on | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
the EU veto. He did pop up on the Andrew Marr programme a few days | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
later. I am bitterly disappointed by the outcome of the sum it. There | :29:45. | :29:51. | |
is a danger that, over time, the United Kingdom will be isolated and | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
marginalised within the European Union. I do not think it is good | :29:54. | :30:01. | |
for jobs or grace. In June, fury among the Conservatives after the | :30:01. | :30:08. | |
Lib Dems refuse to back Jeremy Hunt in the Commons. -- amongst the | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
Conservatives. The Leveson inquiry raised questions about his handling | :30:12. | :30:18. | |
of the Rupert Murdoch bit for BSkyB. Not only Conservative ministers - | :30:18. | :30:26. | |
is that the ministers have faced controversy. Chris Huhne resigned. | :30:26. | :30:36. | |
:30:36. | :30:46. | ||
-- Tory Conservative ministers have The coalition has to get the | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
economy right to stay afloat. There are tensions creeping in on the | :30:49. | :30:55. | |
scale of cuts, investments and how to get banks working. The austerity | :30:55. | :31:01. | |
programme hasn't been universally popular. The people gave the | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
Liberal Democrats a drubbing. Cutting the number of seats to | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
3,000, the lowest in their history and there's a nasty feeling in the | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
party that it could get worst with the Corby by-election and the | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
general election. This summer, David Cameron and Nick Clegg | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
relaunched themselves, presenting a united front at a railway depot in | :31:20. | :31:27. | |
the West Midlands. It's tough to be in Government in difficult times. | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
It's not always a walk in the park or in the rose garden. It's no | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
wonder there are some who lose their nerve a bit at this stage, | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
but I can speak for both of us, we'll not lose our nerve. Nick | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
Clegg will be talking about the positives. Some research suggests | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
that 75% of the Liberal Democrat manifesto has been implemented or | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
is in the course of being so. He'll talk about the fact that millions | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
of people are out of the tax system, that the pupil premium aimed at the | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
children of low-income families has been a success. Some in the party | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
argue that the Liberal Democrats have had a softening effect on Tory | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
legislation. Within Government, the Liberal Democrats are making a | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
difference. Danny Alexander has been praised by his colleagues in | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
both parties. Vince Cable is increasingly being lauded by the | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
groos roots of his party and now David -- grass roots of his party | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
and now David Laws, who helped negotiate the coalition agreement | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
and who is widely respected across party lines as education minister | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
and top Clegg adviser. Showing support for the Government and | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
stressing the party's independence is a difficult balancing act for | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
Nick Clegg to pull off, but it's some the speech will have to | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
achieve. Nobody's said to would be plain sailing. Is this the way to | :32:43. | :32:53. | |
:32:53. | :32:59. | ||
Brighton? Puntastic. Over to Mark Thompson who got to interview Nick | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
Clegg and David haul Matthews. We spoke to him earlier on in the | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
conference. Welcome to you both. Mark, you interviewed Nick Clegg | :33:08. | :33:18. | |
:33:18. | :33:19. | ||
for your blog this week. How did he characterise the year? Well, he | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
seemed pretty calm and pretty happy really with how things have gone. | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
He certainly seemed relaxed and was willing to be very open when I | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
asked him questions, even fairly controversial ones like about drugs | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
policy and the position of the monarchy. He was certainly very | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
happy to talk and I didn't get that feeling you sometimes get from | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
politicians that he's closed -- closing things down. Do you think | :33:42. | :33:48. | |
that's because he feels relieved after that big apology? Well, I | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
think it went reasonably well, certainly in terms of how it was | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
received. The fact it was turned into a song helped to lighten the | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
mood around it, which was a bit of a bonus .. When I arrived here | :34:00. | :34:07. | |
there was a car blasting it out, which was a nice little backdrop. I | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
do think that - the feeling that I've been getting from people here, | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
there is no real appetite for talk about the leadership. We just have | :34:13. | :34:20. | |
to get on with it. I think that message has got through to him. | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
David, the economy is obviously key. We have just spoken to Danny | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
Alexander about the deficit reduction plan. Should the Liberal | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
Democrats now in coalition rg ewe against more austerity and promote | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
-- arguing against more austerity? Yes. I think they are. They don't | :34:38. | :34:45. | |
want to admit that they're doing it. They are investing billions for | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
small and medium enterprises. We have the Green Investment Bank and | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
further investment and also in fairness, as well, new | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
announcements for children who are struggling in schools. All of this | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
is not consistent with George Osborne's plan A of slash first and | :35:00. | :35:06. | |
don't do anything positive for the economy until the deficit is | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
reduced. I think it's obviously politically impossible for Danny or | :35:09. | :35:16. | |
Nick to say, no, no, we disagree with the original plan. But they're | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
quietly arguing against it and I personally wish they would shout a | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
bit more and say the Liberal Democrats are making Britain fairer | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
in difficult circumstances. I think that would help us in the opinion | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
polls. What they are doing is in the right direction and doing more | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
and more. In terms of differentiation, Mark, there seems | :35:37. | :35:43. | |
to be more of that, but talking about coalition partners negatively | :35:43. | :35:51. | |
is that good for morale? I think there's a delicate line to be | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
trodden. People like Nick Clegg and Danny Alexander have to be careful | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
about how they say it. That didn't stop Vince Cable from having a jibe | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
at Andrew Mitchell when he made some reference to the pleb comment | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
- the alleged pleb comment and that went down well. He got a big laugh | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
and applause. Little things like that. Let's face it, it's not as if | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
the Conservatives not above little digs rkes so it's our conference | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
and there's -- digs, so it's our conference and there's bound to be | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
a few things. The line between the two is getting blurred and we're in | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
the position where things are being done, but it's done under the radar, | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
because they can't turn around and say they've got to change. They | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
have to do it in a political way. David, is there a tipping point for | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
Liberal Democrats if the polls don't improve that Nick Clegg's | :36:42. | :36:49. | |
out? I don't think it's up to Liberal Democrat MPs and it | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
certainly isn't up to conference delegates like us. I think Nick | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
Clegg will make that decision. He's a smart cookie. If the poll ratings | :36:57. | :37:03. | |
are much, much worse than the party's or if there is specific | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
polls showing we would do better and the election is closer, I think | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
he'll take that into account. I agree, it's not the time now to | :37:10. | :37:16. | |
talk about a leadership challenge. What we want to say is nick, please | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
differentiate a bit more, please shout a bit more proudly and a bit | :37:20. | :37:27. | |
more specifically about what we ask for as well as achievements and | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
recognise that a lot of Lib Dems are a little concerned about the | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
way the economy is going. If he does that then I think the ratings | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
will start to improve. Certainly, the mood in the party will improve. | :37:37. | :37:44. | |
Gentlemen, thank you. Down in blight tonne, Nick Clegg's been | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
giving interviews to the regional newspapers and the Birmingham Post, | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
is carrying a story quoting with him saying, "If you don't like me, | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
vote Labour." David Cameron will appear on the David Letterman show | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
in the United States. He's the first serving British Prime | :37:58. | :38:07. | |
Minister to do so. It's late at night. Will it be the lamb to the | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
slaughter or his credibility take a hit? Does he have a sense of | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
humour? Look at this from another British politician, who was on the | :38:14. | :38:21. | |
show earlier this year. So, how long have you been cutting your own | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
hair? Laugh 456 | :38:25. | :38:32. | |
-- LAUGHTER. Don't you think that was a low blow. | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
I think it was. Look at mine! That's true. I thought I was | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
beginning to think I can got through this more or less unscathed. | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
Is there a possibility you could become Prime Minister? I think that | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
is vanishing. I've about as much chance of being reincarnated as an | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
olive. Do you think the hair is holding you back? Until you | :38:55. | :39:02. | |
mentioned it tonight I've never regarded it as a drawback. Well, it | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
was quite funny. The American writer and broadcaster Bonnie Greer | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
is with us. Welcome back to the programme. You can see Boris | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
handled him because he's a comedian, but do you think David Cameron can | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
handle him? No. I first thing that I thought when I heard this, I just | :39:23. | :39:30. | |
went, why is he doing this? I had to examine why I thought that. I | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
think a lot of people think that Letterman's a chat show, because | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
he's in the guise and it's late at night, but it's the landscape of | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
his mind and as a New Yorker it's also about New York. You have to be | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
able to play that and be there. Especially as an English man of the | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
Prime Minister's class. Hugh Grant pulled it off after the Miss Divine | :39:57. | :40:05. | |
Brown thing. He came on in the guise of a man they would expect a | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
guy to come on. Cameron doesn't foe how he'll be dealt with. You have | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
to know what the whole thing is. I just hope that Cameron isn't a fan | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
of Letterman because the audience will smell that and they'll grill | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
him. By British standards he's not a very tough interviewer. American | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
interviewers aren't tough, but he comes out with a quip when you left | :40:26. | :40:33. | |
expect it, like the one with the Boris hair? That's my point. Three | :40:33. | :40:39. | |
million watch the show, so he can come off of left field while | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
Cameron's talking about the agenda. You can't do that on that? | :40:43. | :40:52. | |
course, not. They'll ask about The Duchess and her breasts and plebs | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
and all this kind of stuff. He'll have to balance that out. Here's | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
the question - why is he doing it? As I said before, I hope he doesn't | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
ask to do this show. I hope he didn't set it up. I hope he didn't | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
say, "I'm a real fan." When British States they appear on the Today | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
Show and Meet the Press and on Good Morning America and do 60 Minutes. | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
They don't do the funny. Has Tony Blair done it? He did. He was known. | :41:26. | :41:34. | |
He was - Everybody knew him in America. I think we have a few | :41:34. | :41:41. | |
clips from David Cameron's outings on previous these type of shows. | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
Can I ask you a question? How old where you were when now laidy | :41:48. | :41:55. | |
Thatcher was first elected? About 12, 13. That's a time in a boy's | :41:55. | :42:02. | |
life when you look around for women who are attractive. This is the | :42:02. | :42:08. | |
moment I realise why politicians never come on this show. I put it | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
to you, Sir, that as a young man you may have rejected the | :42:14. | :42:21. | |
possibility, but I think you probably considered Margaret | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
Thatcher in a Khanal fashion? -- carnal fashion, as we all did? | :42:28. | :42:36. | |
We are not talking about politics. I wasn't really following it all | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
very closely. I'm concerned did you think of her as a woman? Pin-up | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
material? No. You didn't want to see her in stocksings? | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
Politicians have to think about what we say and the trouble with | :42:48. | :42:58. | |
:42:58. | :43:01. | ||
Twitter, the instance too many twits might make a twit. Do you now | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
regret when once asked what your favourite joke was you relied Nick | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
Clegg and Deputy Prime Minister, what do you think of that? We are | :43:07. | :43:17. | |
all going to have, I'm afraid I did say that once. We are all going to | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
have things that we said thrown back at us. Quickly, how do you | :43:22. | :43:28. | |
sleep at night? I've always been able to sleep OK. If you work hard | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
in the day and try to get your stuff done and try to get it behind | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
you, because at the end of the day if you are exhausted you'll make | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
wrong decisions so you have to get a good night's sleep. On that note, | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
we're all off to bed. We're not. He's had some practice. He comes | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
across as the charming publishman and the Americans will like that. | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
He's quite good on his feet, but I would suggest to you that the only | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
reason for doing this programme can be that you want to be better known | :43:56. | :44:05. | |
in America? And he'll be better known for being a sprendrick -- | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
spendrick. Letterman will use him to make a point he might feel about | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
Britain. This week, with the Emmys, there was a point made about all of | :44:15. | :44:22. | |
the English and British actors in American TV. There's not a lot of | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
warm feeling going on in the media, because so many great English and | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
British actors are taking jobs. That's about acting. The American | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
public love it. Downton Abbey is huge. I know, but they made a note | :44:35. | :44:44. | |
of it and made a point at the Emmys, so Cameron will be put up against | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
that. The Duchess of Cambridge will figure. That may be the case. I | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
think he'll survive. Letterman will be kind. He's not like us. Do you | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
want to make a bet? We have had some suggestions here. We asked | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
people to tweet questions that he should be asked. Frankie says, | :45:04. | :45:13. | |
"What's a pleb? How are he and Sam coping with austerity?" Maurice, | :45:13. | :45:23. | |
:45:23. | :45:32. | ||
"Should people who abuse and swear I think that if he is on the show, | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
he wants him to be on the show. He will be kind to him but he will | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
make fun of him. Cameron one need to be it on his toes because the | :45:41. | :45:49. | |
audience will demand it. That is what they like. Now who's got the | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
balls to vote against Nick Clegg being Lib Dem leader at the next | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
election? Here's Adam. Yesterday we were talking about leadership. We | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
were asking delegates, in 2015, do want to be led by Nick Clegg or | :46:01. | :46:08. | |
not? I am for Nick. He has taken a lot of flak. That would have | :46:08. | :46:17. | |
crushed a normal politician. Go on then. I will put that in in a | :46:17. | :46:26. | |
moment. Is that a coded signal? seat if I can get it in. Missed | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
again. -- let's see. Are you pondering for dramatic effect? | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
pondering. I do not have a viable alternative in mind. I think Nick | :46:37. | :46:44. | |
Clegg is very good. I'm not sure how much good it will do us in 2015. | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
Did any of you see ourselves as leaders of the party? -- do any of | :46:50. | :46:58. | |
you? I would like to be. I would not want to be leader of the party. | :46:58. | :47:04. | |
I would rather be Chief Whip. not? I think the apology was the | :47:04. | :47:10. | |
right thing to do. It was two-and- a-half years to make. We have lost | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
many councillors, including myself. We lost seats at the last election | :47:15. | :47:22. | |
and we did not gain seats. We need a fresh start. Have you seen what | :47:22. | :47:32. | |
:47:32. | :47:32. | ||
we are doing today? This is not who should stay as BBC political editor. | :47:32. | :47:39. | |
That would look like a political judgment. What if he belt out and | :47:39. | :47:46. | |
went to work in Brussels in 2014? - - bailed out. Would you be upset? | :47:46. | :47:56. | |
:47:56. | :47:58. | ||
would be upset. I would vote for Tim Farron. Definitely! You are | :47:58. | :48:05. | |
ruling yourself out for the leadership. Why on earth should we | :48:05. | :48:14. | |
dump Nick Clegg? I need to take out two off his balls. I saw you voting | :48:14. | :48:21. | |
for not. I was hoping no one would notice. I think it is a Gordon | :48:21. | :48:31. | |
Brown effect. Regretted afterwards. -- you regret it afterwards. Some | :48:31. | :48:36. | |
party members do not want you to hang around until 2015 but look at | :48:36. | :48:42. | |
the massive majority that does. say, stick that in your ball box, | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
media. That is the real story and not what the media wants to tell. | :48:46. | :48:53. | |
She told him. John Kampfner and Stephen Tall are still with us. Is | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
that a fair reflection of what the party things? Are they being | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
dutifully loyal? I think it has been the conference that did not | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
bark when it comes to leadership. A lot of speculation coming in that | :49:08. | :49:14. | |
there would be chapter in the park at night. There has been idle | :49:14. | :49:21. | |
speculation. -- chatter in the bath. I think now, Nick Clegg is | :49:21. | :49:26. | |
determined to fight the next election as leader of the Lib Dems. | :49:26. | :49:35. | |
Let's have a brief look at the potential successes. -- successor | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
was. Vince Cable and Tim Farron. Are there others who could | :49:39. | :49:45. | |
potentially takeover? Any of these figures, when you are asked, you | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
say he is doing a fantastic job and long may he continue. When there is | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
a campaign, the Lib Dems have proven themselves remarkably adept | :49:54. | :50:01. | |
at getting rid of leaders. They have got rid of quite a few. | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
Tories are far more fractures. The Parliamentary Party is pretty much | :50:05. | :50:15. | |
open season now. The only person who is consistently - almost daily | :50:15. | :50:23. | |
denouncing Nick Clegg and Plan A - is in the House of Lords. That is | :50:23. | :50:32. | |
Lord Oakeshott. The extent of the discipline is... A standing. | :50:32. | :50:35. | |
point that Polly Toynbee made earlier, a lot of those who are | :50:35. | :50:41. | |
really cheesed off have just left the party. If you agree with that, | :50:41. | :50:46. | |
is that the reason? The question about who might succeed Nick Clegg | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
if he were kicked out come step down whatever, if the polls do not | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
improve. Of a seat in -- implications and that he they | :50:54. | :51:01. | |
should do the coalition revs. -- obviously implications. It is hard | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
to imagine how that should happen. Can he looked down the camera lens | :51:06. | :51:12. | |
at the next leaders' debate and say trust me? That is the crunch | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
question that the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg have to answer. It was the | :51:16. | :51:21. | |
policy on tuition fees from Vince Cable that landed Nick Clegg in hot | :51:22. | :51:28. | |
water. It is interesting that Vince Cable is being touted as caretaker | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
leader who might win back some of the deserters from the party but | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
Nick Clegg had to make the apology for it. He could do we do with | :51:36. | :51:42. | |
Labour, couldn't he? I also think Nick Clegg could. Labour would not | :51:42. | :51:48. | |
do a deal with him. There is wrong number sides of this was they have | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
both had a lot of personal acrimony to get in there. -- sides of this. | :51:53. | :52:00. | |
It is entirely right and proper. It may be out of their hands and one | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
party gets majority. You should remove all acrimony and polite the | :52:04. | :52:12. | |
deal with whoever there is to do a deal with. I will politely mediate | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
on. And we're joined now by Lib Dem Party President, the man who told | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
Conference that he looks good on the dance floor, Tim Farron. You | :52:21. | :52:28. | |
chose, don't vaulter by Lauren Laverne, as to warm up song at the | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
rally. You lost the House of Lords reform and the Porsche a | :52:32. | :52:42. | |
:52:42. | :52:43. | ||
representation. You have lost hundreds of councillors. -- and | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
proportional representation. have had to end a half years in | :52:48. | :52:54. | |
government. You are banned -- to end a half years in government. You | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
are bound to make decisions which will make people uncomfortable. It | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
is hardly surprising we found ourselves not doing well in many | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
elections. There has been a turning around in the last six months or so. | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
The local elections were poor but significantly better than the year | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
before. Three times more seats from the Tories than make took from us. | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
Almost all the incumbent seats we won and we took seats from Labour | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
that we had lost the previous year. Not all rosy and wonderful but this | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
Gwynedd again turning point was that you can see it there are | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
growing resilience and complement - - confidence. It will be hard for | :53:33. | :53:39. | |
us at a time like this. The last seeing a resilient and well lead | :53:39. | :53:44. | |
party to win the battles, making sure we will do well at the next | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
election. You said that voters who abandoned your party were | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
disappointed, angry and perplexed, why? I met many of them. Many | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
people who voted for as would perhaps not have assumed we would | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
get elected. You make decisions in relatively good times that are | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
bound to offend people, if you wander into power and find people | :54:06. | :54:10. | |
in government. Many people thought issues like tuition fees come at | :54:10. | :54:16. | |
the factory working coalition at all, has made people confused. -- | :54:16. | :54:24. | |
like tuition fees, the fact we are in a coalition at all. Nine times | :54:24. | :54:31. | |
out of 10, when I speak to people on the doorstep, they come back to | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
us. You say that the Tories do not care about a fairer and more equal | :54:36. | :54:45. | |
society or the green economy. The tree they have as a logo should be | :54:45. | :54:50. | |
replaced by a 747. Having never been on a jet liner yourself? | :54:50. | :54:56. | |
for a few years - deliberately. I take the point are that the | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
Conservatives do want to see the economy recover. If you take as | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
your definition of fairness, where there are those who are the | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
wealthiest, pay affair burden, and those who are the least well-off | :55:07. | :55:09. | |
and struggling on middle-income scholar should not be squeezed | :55:09. | :55:14. | |
further than they already are, we do dig from that definition of | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
fairness. The second half of this Parliament is about the Liberal | :55:19. | :55:26. | |
Democrats arguing politely and cutely in front of the public gaze | :55:26. | :55:36. | |
:55:36. | :55:36. | ||
in favour of Ferrer taxes. -- favour of a fairer taxes. I make | :55:37. | :55:43. | |
the Commons I do, Tiley -- teasing them a little bit over the Tory | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
agenda. They tried to adopt a softer green approach in the run-up | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
to the election. That was quite encouraging. What is not | :55:54. | :56:01. | |
encouraging us some of the rhetoric recently. I think you have a hard | :56:01. | :56:07. | |
road to follow. If this is what you really think about the Tories - you | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
think they do not believe in fairness - they're not interested | :56:10. | :56:17. | |
in economy and their green words do not add up... It be think they are | :56:17. | :56:24. | |
the evil scumbags of the World Cup when you in bed with them? They are | :56:24. | :56:30. | |
your words and not mine. I do not think that. I am involved in | :56:30. | :56:36. | |
politics because I believe very passionately in liberalism. I am | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
passionate about politics. Part of that his understanding pluralism. | :56:42. | :56:48. | |
If I belong to a party that gets a 23% of the boat, I need to talk to | :56:48. | :56:55. | |
other parties. -- the vote. Many of the Tories are reasonable people - | :56:55. | :57:00. | |
most of them. That does not mean I have to agree with them. The | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
wonderful thing about this coalition and how it differs with | :57:03. | :57:09. | |
the last one, this coalition means we can have an upfront argument on | :57:09. | :57:15. | |
the issues that still treat each other like decent human beings. The | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
last Tony Blair/Gordon Brown government had rancorous fighting | :57:19. | :57:24. | |
in the background. You must be very depressed at the polls which show | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
that if Mr Clegg fell under a bus, Vince Cable would be the clear | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
favourite to take over from him. would be very depressed if Nick | :57:34. | :57:40. | |
Clegg went under a bus. I want him to be our leader. I think that he | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
should be and will be our leader for a very long time to come. If | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
you look at what has happened to this party, we have grown hugely as | :57:49. | :57:58. | |
a party in government. You must be depressed that Mr Cable is ahead of | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
you. You are talking about the race that does not exist. I'm talking a | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
what is best for the Liberal Democrats. We need to unite in get | :58:06. | :58:11. | |
behind Nick Clegg and back him all the way to the next election and | :58:11. | :58:17. | |
beyond. -- getting behind. I spoke to Nick Clegg before the apology. I | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
was struck by the fact that had come completely from the heart. No | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
one told him to do it. There he said this was the moment to do that. | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
I think we will see an unblocking of pupils is and respect for him as | :58:29. | :58:37. | |
a person needing a party for many years to come. -- people's ears. | :58:37. | :58:42. |