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In just one hour's time, Chancellor George Osborne will deliver his | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
long awaited Autumn Statement. We are in for more spending cuts, a | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
squeeze on benefits and pension tax allowances, and more years of | :00:19. | :00:29. | |
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austerity, stretching all the way Good morning. Welcome to this Daily | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
Politics Special on the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
broadcast live on BBC Two, the BBC News Channel and BBC Online. A year | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
ago George Osborne had to admit defeat. Contrary to the original | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
plan in his first Budget of June 2010, he was no longer able to | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
eliminate the fiscal deficit within five years. In that game-changing | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
Autumn Statement of 2011 we were told that austerity would continue | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
for at least two more years to 2016/17. Today he will tell us what | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
that extra austerity will look like in terms of tax increases and | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
further spending cuts. We might discover that, even with the extra | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
hard pounding, the Chancellor is still not able to meet his original | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
fiscal rules on debt and deficit. And that even seven years of | :01:32. | :01:41. | |
austerity won't be the end of it. The Chancellor is about to leave | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
the Treasury for the short drive over to the House of Commons. | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
Unlike Budget Days, there's no appearance outside Number 11 with | :01:48. | :01:58. | |
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the Treasury team for the Autumn Statement. But what he tells us | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
today is the result of lengthy discussions and negotiations with | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
his Lib Dem Treasury colleague, Chief Secretary Danny Alexander, | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
and with the other two members of the Coalition Quad which sites at | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
the top of this Coalition government, David Cameron and Nick | :02:09. | :02:19. | |
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Clegg. We'll have live coverage of the speech and Labour's response | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
the moment the Chancellor gets to his feet at 12.30pm. Before that, | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
at noon, we'll have Prime Minister's Questions. And to guide | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
us throughout, we have the BBC's finest here in the studio. Plus | :02:30. | :02:38. | |
reaction from Westminster and I'm outside Parliament talking to | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
politicians of all shades, getting their reaction to today's mini- | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
budget, and assessing the impact on the political landscape. | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
I'm in Stoke-on-Trent at the Wedgwood factory, where I'll be | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
joined by businesses from across Staffordshire and by Paul Lewis | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
from BBC Radio 4's Moneybox programme. I'll be answering your | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
questions and explaining what today's announcement means for your | :03:01. | :03:09. | |
budget. I mean Canary Wharf at the heart banking and finance. I'll be | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
speaking to market what has to find out the city's reaction to the | :03:13. | :03:23. | |
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Comprehensive coverage and the best analysis - what else would you | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
expect from the BBC? With me is Nick Robinson, our economics editor, | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
Stephanie Flanders, our business editor, Robert Peston. A veritable | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
posse of BBC editors all in one room. The insurance policy will be | :03:40. | :03:50. | |
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enormous! A hat-trick of BBC editors. The Budget in March was | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
not Mr Osborne's finest hour. He needs to do better that this autumn | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
statement that he hasn't got a lot of good news to give us. That is an | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
understatement. Imagine if you'd said to George Osborne in the run- | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
up to that general election, which he believed he'd win and the | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
Conservatives would win outright, in two years' time you will get | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
your chance as Chancellor. He was a debt is not boring, it is going up. | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
Debt will not fall in accordance with your target, you won't meet it. | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
The deficit will not be cleared and the budget will not be balanced in | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
five years, not even seven, it will eventually, you hope, if the | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
forecasts are right, the balanced in eight. Imagine it in that same | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
statement you were to tell him a few years ago, you will get your | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
feet, not on budget day, but on the Autumn Statement when you don't | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
normally do them, and you will announce more tax rises, benefit | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
cuts and cuts to departmental budgets. He would have shaken his | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
head in disbelief and say, I would have been driven out of town. That | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
is what you will get, though, from George Osborne today. Austerity for | :04:56. | :05:03. | |
longer, targets missed, taxes up, spending squeezed. Ed Balls, the | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
Shadow Chancellor, must think Christmas has come early. Yes, he | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
will say, I told you so, it shouldn't have been like this. But, | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
this is the fascinating and surprising politics, everything | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
I've described should have made George Osborne in 2009 go, it's all | :05:18. | :05:25. | |
over, and Ed Balls open the political champagne. And yet | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
somehow George Osborne has managed to pull off the trip so far are | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
always saying to the country, look, it might not be going to plan but | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
let's stick to the plan because it would be a mistake to turn back. | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
And saying to Ed Balls, forget all that stuff you said in the past, | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
what matters is what you are saying about the future. If the Chancellor | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
can politically pull off that trick today, stick to the course, will | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
Labour match our well-fed cuts, that is a bit rich politically for | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
the Coalition. If Ed Balls can say conclusively, you were wrong, I | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
said you were wrong, you didn't need to be wrong, Labour starts to | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
get some traction on the issue. This Chancellor came to office two- | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
and-a-half years ago thinking that the economy would be growing by | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
almost 3% this year. But it looks like it is barely growing at all in | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
2012. That has stymied his deficit- reduction plans. I've got the | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
gritty numbers to go with the analysis. You are right, he made | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
this kind of a calculated gamble when he came into office in 2010, | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
that the private sector would grow fast enough in this period for him | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
to be able to balance the books in a single parliament. It just hasn't | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
worked out that way. If you look at what has happened to quarterly | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
growth since 2010, you can see there was a kind of recovery | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
happening when he took office. But as we move into 2011, it never | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
really got momentum. It was one step forward, one step back | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
throughout that year. As the going to 2012, we can see the period at | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
the beginning of this year when we officially went back into recession, | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
the so-called double-dip. You know it is formally a recession when it | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
drops bought two quarters in a road. A lot of people think that last | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
quarter in the spring and early summer of declining economy | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
actually was more due to be Jubilee extra bank holiday, which made | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
those figures look particularly bad and made the next set of figures | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
look rather good for George Osborne. We have this very good 1% growth | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
figure for the three months to September. But I don't think anyone | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
thinks that growth is going to continue at anything like that | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
weight. The Governor of the Bank of England has warned the economy | :07:36. | :07:46. | |
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might even shrink again in the last few months of this year. Triple dip. | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
That's the growth figures, it looks miserable. What have been the | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
consequences for the core of his economic strategy, which is to cut | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
the amount we borrow every year? Two things have made his life | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
difficult. It is not just the slow growth, it's the fact that the | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
Office for budget Responsibility, which he set up and now does the | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
forecasts, has decided that a lot of the growth we didn't get we are | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
never going to get. It was a permanent hit to our economy. That | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
has made things harder for him because it's made the whole that | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
much bigger in the public finances. These are the forecasts for the | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
deficit, the measure of the deficit he wanted to get rid off when he | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
was writing his first Budget win 2010. The OBR told him this was | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
what borrowing was going to look like if he did the austerity. He | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
would bring it back into balance well before the next election, | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
within four years, though his rules set five years. Job done before the | :08:41. | :08:48. | |
election. That looked nice at the time. But a year ago there was that | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
massive autumn statement, the important moment when the OBR | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
decided that we weren't going to get back a lot of this growth, it | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
had a much gloomier picture of the underlying deficit. By the time we | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
got to April this year, the last figures we had in the budget, this | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
is what the deficit picture was looking like. It meant he just | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
wouldn't be able to bring that back into the black by 2015. It was | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
going to be an extra two years of austerity. Will be hearing more | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
today about how those extra cuts might be divided across the welfare | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
budget, tax increases for the rich. But we will also be listening for | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
what happened to that next year? Is he going to have to push the | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
austerity into 2017 because the figures are showing him that that | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
measure of borrowing is not going to have disappeared by then? The | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
crucial thing is it may also show that his measure of borrowing, his | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
structural hole, is bigger now that he thought it was when he first | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
came into office. He might not be in power by then. It's a long time | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
after the election. Robert, business keeps on saying, if you | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
want growth, you've got to do more to help business. Would he do more | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
today? One of the big themes of this government has been cutting | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
corporation tax. It's the one area, he's been trying to cut the tax | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
burden. I'd be very surprised if we don't hear him talk a bit more | :10:08. | :10:15. | |
about what he's doing a to help business in that sense. The other | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
thing which is massively important is this. It's the sustainability of | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
the government debt. The government has set great store by its triple-A | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
credit rating. It has spent a lot of time boasting over the last | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
couple of years that we are one of the few developed economies left | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
with a triple-A. Do macro of the credit rating agencies are warning | :10:38. | :10:44. | |
that we could lose that triple-A. It's one of the things I'm going to | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
be thinking about Haagh. Whether or not what he says today will make | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
that inevitable. If it does happen, if we do lose the trouble away, I | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
think that is a political problem. It's a humiliation for the | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
government. I, on the other hand, think that most investors have | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
broadly written off the UK's triple-A. Whether in practice it | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
will do much to the economy, I doubt in the sense that it is | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
unlikely that simply a notch down on that rating will make it | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
massively more expensive for the government to borrow. But as a | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
political event, that would be very bad. The French and Americans have | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
got away with the reduction. That political would-be hugely | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
embarrassing. Yes, it will be interesting to see what he does to | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
try and persuade the markets and credit agencies. He can't say we | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
are meeting the targets. The one thing he could say is, you think | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
this Coalition government can't take tough decisions. Boy, we can! | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
He tries to do some eye-watering things in order to say, Look, we've | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
got the result, which we might not have the results but we've got the | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
result. But to much extent it's out of his hand. The reason that the | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
credit agencies have put us under review for downgrade is because | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
growth has not materialised in the UK. That makes it terribly | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
difficult for him to generate a tax revenues he needs. He will not be | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
able to magic up additional growth in the next year or two. For those | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
reasons, that credit rating, in the view of most investors, is gone. | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
are at the heart of the Westminster village. But throughout today's | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
programme we will be getting reaction from business people in | :12:25. | :12:33. | |
Yes, they've been making Wedgwood pots here in Stoke-on-Trent since | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
the 17 hundreds. But three years ago, but Potter's wheels almost | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
stopped turning for good when the company went bust. They were bought | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
out by a New York venture capitalist firm and they merged | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
with Royal Doulton and water would crystal. To talk about the | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
company's Biteback is Wedgwood's chief financial officer, Anthony | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
Jones, and from the construction Centre, Julie White, from a | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
concrete cutting company. How hard was it to get Wedgwood back on its | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
feet? A there is no doubt these are incredibly challenging times but | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
I'm pleased that both our company and industry are fighting back. At | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
Wedgwood, we are delighted that in the last three years, since | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
successfully emerging from administration, we returned to | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
profitability in our second year and delivered sales growth. | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
have you done it? Two things. We repositioned and re-energised the | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
brand. We turned it from a traditional table top brand into a | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
luxury lifestyle brand in the wider home category. As important, we | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
focused on improving every aspect of our business. We've done that to | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
an operation of excellence programme. It has overhauled our | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
supply chain and all of our business processes to build a | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
strong foundation upon which we could grow. At UCATT staff and made | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
it a more streamlined operation? we've focused on business processes | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
and making us more efficient. We are still at the same level of | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
staff we were at three years ago. We've started growing in the last | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
year. Julie, for you on the business you are in, what is | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
holding back growth? With being a specialist contractor in the | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
construction industry, we need the government to be pushing | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
infrastructure. We need to see something. What sort of projects | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
would really help you? They keep talking about HS2 and an airport in | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
the Thames Valley, but White now we need to have already sides to get | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
going. We can start moving the economy are very quick at a | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
construction sector like no other sector. How difficult has it been | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
over the last 18 months? It really is tough. We are in a flat market. | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
They say we are coming out of recession but construction is so | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
flat right now. But we've been getting more of a market share. | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
We've been striking up a bigger jobs with a lot of the bigger | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
contractors. We've been bringing on more apprentices. We have grown. | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
Julie is concerned about in the structure projects here. You are | :14:58. | :15:08. | |
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What do you want George Osborne to do for you to break into that | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
market? Anything that will enable us as exporters to be more | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
competitive in what is a very challenging market place. Whilst we | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
also welcome the recent focus on stimulating large infrastructure | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
projects, and we are delighted to secure a �5 million grant as part | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
of the regional growth fund, what we really need is a real package of | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
fundamental measures to address the cost equations for UK manufacturers, | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
essentially to make those more competitive. A couple of issues | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
that impact on us, energy, apprenticeships, as an energy | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
intensive manufacturer we urgently need energy market reform to create | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
that competitive framework that doesn't penalise our industry. Over | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
15% of our cost is represented by energy. We have suffered two | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
consecutive 20% price increases in the last few years. With all of | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
those kilns, you need the costs to come down. What about you? What is | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
the biggest cost you could do with George Osborne addressing? | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
actually ran a lot of fleets with vehicles so fuel. That would help | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
everybody across the board. Also, helping us find the right funding | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
for what we can achieve. Government has said there is money | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
across the country that you can go to your local region and get. Have | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
you managed to do that? It is hard over there. They keep talking about | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
business bank, regional growth funding, I don't care where I get | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
my funding from, I just need help finding it. If I am going to grow | :16:46. | :16:54. | |
my company and employ people, I need help. Have you actually | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
applied for it? Yes, regional growth fund. They said we were too | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
good for it. We had to put in for more money than we needed, which | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
made us more of a risk, and they gave it to us. So you applied for | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
more and got more? Yes, but when we applied for the amount we needed, | :17:11. | :17:17. | |
they said we could do it ourselves. What about finance and cashflow? | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
Cashflow is also incredibly important to us. We were also | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
successful in the last round of the regional growth fund. It leverage | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
is Investment with public sector money, so we are also putting a lot | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
of investment in on our side of the equation as well. What we need are | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
the fundamental measures to address competitiveness in UK manufacturing. | :17:37. | :17:46. | |
We will be here talking to Thank you. Good to hear the voices | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
of industry. They are often very different from the way it seems in | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
Westminster when politicians announce things. Maybe it doesn't | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
quite happen on the ground? We will come back to that later in the | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
programme. I am told that the Chancellor has left the Treasury. | :18:00. | :18:07. | |
Let's see if we can see him. There is the Chancellor, coming out of | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
one of several entrances to the Treasury. It is a huge building | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
around a corner from where we are. There he is with Danny Alexander, | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
the Lib Dem Chief Secretary to the Treasury, the man that the | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
Chancellor regards as both an ally and somebody has to negotiate with. | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
Mr Alexander is there to represent the Lib Dems. There has been debate, | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
if the Chancellor wants more cuts on welfare, what is he going to do | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
to make life a little bit more difficult for the rich? It's not a | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
long drive, he will be there in a few minutes. Some would say he | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
could have walked! Interesting, he didn't walk out of | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
the front door, nobody can shout at him! No limousine, not the usual | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
sleek saloon car. More functional security car. It is all trivial, | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
but somebody has thought about it. A car for an austerity statement? | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
He could have walked! Save the money, keep emissions down. You can | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
get the latest on the Autumn Statement on the BBC website. You | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
You will find in-depth coverage and discover what the measures mean for | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
you. As well as sending your comments and questions through the | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
BBC website, you can also take part in the conversation by following | :19:24. | :19:31. | |
the debate on Twitter. All of our correspondents and experts will be | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
using the hashtag that is on your screen now. You can keep tabs on | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
their comments and insights and add your own. We get to read them as | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
well. As Robert was saying, this government is able to borrow | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
cheaply because the markets regard its fiscal deficit reduction plan | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
as credible. But what would happen if it ceases to do so? It will be | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
the city and the financial markets that will decide. Let's go to | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
Susannah Streeter in Canary Wharf. I am at BGC Partners. It is a very | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
busy morning. It has been very volatile markets of late, not | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
simply due to the European debt crisis but also concerns about UK | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
PLC, the lack of growth. Will the Chancellor come up with some new | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
policies today or will he just put a bit of a shine on some old ones? | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
Well, that is the question many traders will be wanting some | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
answers too, particularly as today we have had very disappointing data | :20:28. | :20:35. | |
coming out about the UK economy, a fall in factory orders, new orders | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
since December 2010. Let's talk to Mike Ingram, market analyst at BGC | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
Partners. There are concerns, particularly with the latest data | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
coming out, about the health of the UK economy? Absolutely, very | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
disappointing data. We are expecting there is going to be an | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
acceleration in the service sector. But it fell further towards the | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
danger zone. If you look at the chart, you can see that this is the | :21:01. | :21:08. | |
50% mark that separates growth from contraction. 52%, just about | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
keeping about her. That is the real focus, what is going to happen with | :21:12. | :21:20. | |
growth? Robert Curtis is from HSBC. What is your focus going to be when | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
you are listening to the statement a little bit later? What will you | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
be interested in? I will be looking at the growth forecasts. They are | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
so important. As we have just heard, the purchasing managers' data was | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
very poor. Growth going forward, we know that they will revise it down, | :21:36. | :21:42. | |
this year and next year. But will they get back to trend growth? 2.3% | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
by 2015? Or will it go about that? If it doesn't, finances look a bit | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
dicey. If it doesn't look like it is credible, the rating agencies | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
might get involved. There might be a downgrade of UK plc. More from | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
you're a little bit later. You can see the real tricky balancing act | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
that the Chancellor has. All eyes are going to be on the bond markets, | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
up what will happen to the UK government debt? Will be yields | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
rise and have become more expensive for UK PLC to borrow? We will have | :22:13. | :22:23. | |
If you have just joined us on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel, you | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
are watching special coverage of the Autumn Statement at Westminster. | :22:28. | :22:37. | |
Thanks very much. Since the Budget in March, we have been back into | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
recession. We saw the figures for the last quarter getting us back on | :22:41. | :22:48. | |
track. It has been a bumpy ride for the Chancellor and a very fragile | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
recovery. What will he say to try to keep that going? We will discuss | :22:52. | :22:59. | |
that with politicians from all main parties shortly. First, let's | :22:59. | :23:09. | |
:23:09. | :23:14. | ||
remind ourselves of the global Look at us in the streets, look at | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
us fighting. Look at the situation. Those measures are ruining our | :23:18. | :23:24. | |
lives. We cannot go on this way, like Greece, Italy and Spain. All | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
of these cuts are bringing more unemployment, more and more | :23:27. | :23:35. | |
unemployment and worse conditions. They ECB is ready to do what ever | :23:35. | :23:45. | |
:23:45. | :24:07. | ||
We cannot just cut our way to prosperity. If we are serious about | :24:07. | :24:17. | |
:24:17. | :24:17. | ||
Apology for the loss of subtitles for 43 seconds | :24:17. | :25:01. | |
reducing the deficit, we have to There it is, the toughest of | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
economic backdrops. Let's speak to my guests, Conservative MP Claire | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
Perry is here. Lisa Nandy is also with us for Labour, along with | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
Liberal Democrat Pierre Matthew Hoh shot. Let's chew the fat. Claire | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
Perry, first of all, in terms of the politics of this, doesn't it | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
boiled down to one word for George Osborne, credibility? I think it | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
does. I think what it boils down to his credibility of economic policy | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
which, against the backdrop you have just shown of enormous global | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
instability, is delivering growth. It has delivered more than 1 | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
million private sector jobs since the election. It is delivering | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
falling unemployment and low interest rates. It has cut | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
government deficit by a quarter since the election. I think we are | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
there to hear a discussion of credibility and confirmation that | :25:51. | :25:58. | |
it is working. But the credibility issue, after the last Budget, | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
forecasts being slashed, a double- dip recession, a lot of the | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
Chancellor's reputation is at stake? That's right, and we have to | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
go back to the facts, against this backdrop of global instability, the | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
headwind of decline in Europe, is the British economy in a better | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
place? The answer is yes, we are growing sustainably... You say that, | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
but he's going to announce that the austerity of programme is extended | :26:23. | :26:30. | |
again, it became 2015, 2017, then 2018. That's a tough message? | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
Things continue to be tough, but the answer is not what the shadow | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
chancellor will call for, more borrowing. You do not borrow your | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
way out of a borrowing crisis. We know that the Labour Party wants to | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
cut the deficit, they have failed to say what they will cut. Until we | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
hear that, they will have no credibility today. Lisa Nandy, the | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
Government says to turn back now would be a disaster. You heard that | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
the deficit has been cut by a quarter, 1 million private sector | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
jobs. There is progress there? don't think anybody listening to | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
this programme around the country would recognise the picture that | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
she paints. We have people, particularly on low and middle | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
incomes, suffering real pain. We have the weakest growth in the G7 | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
outside of Italy. This plan simply isn't working. The Chancellor has | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
been forced to borrow more because he cannot get the economy moving. | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
Even on his own terms, I think we are going to hear it has failed. | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
The global downturn, the euro crisis, the meltdown, any | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
projections you would have had would also have been blown off | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
course? It is why we said two things very early, firstly that you | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
do not cut the deficit this fast. If you cut the public sector, you | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
also put the private sector very hard and stifled growth. It is also | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
why we have consistently called for investment. A new school buildings, | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
one of the first things that his government did was cancel the | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
school building programme. That would have got people off benefits | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
and into work, benefits go down, taxing take goes up and the economy | :27:59. | :28:06. | |
gets moving again. We are halfway through the parliament, is the | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
basic economic Strategy Working? You are part of this coalition | :28:08. | :28:15. | |
government. Only one word matters and it is growth. Both parties came | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
together to clear up the problems and get the deficit down. The | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
economy did start growing and the deficit did start going down. Now | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
we are going backwards again. The deficit is going up, growth has | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
stopped. All around the country, in my day job, outside London, we are | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
definitely still in recession. We have got to do more. Then a two | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
black holes in the economy. The banks are not lending. That is the | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
economy that has to happen, we have to get the bank's lending. Also, we | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
need to get houses being built. Back to you in the studio. | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
It is coming up to midday on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel. In a | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
moment we will be crossing live to the Commons chamber for Prime | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
Minister's Questions. If you're just joining us, let's remind | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
ourselves of some of the things we are expecting any Autumn Statement. | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
We learned yesterday that current government spending would be cut | :29:08. | :29:14. | |
even further in 2013 and 2014, by 1% and 2%. That is meant to release | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
�5 billion to pay for capital projects, investment, including, we | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
are told, 100 new schools. We think they would approve as many as 30 | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
new gas power stations. It is seen by some as a source of cleaner and | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
cheaper energy for the future. You might also want to look at deep | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
tax-breaks and planning consent for shale gas. We expect welfare to | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
take a hit, yet again. He could freeze more benefits, preventing | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
them from rising in line with inflation, or he could cap them in | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
a move that might be the compromise he had to make with the Lib Dems. | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
He also want to show that the well- off are sharing the pain. He is | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
widely expected to cut the amount that people contribute to their | :29:56. | :30:05. | |
pensions. The amount they can put in three tax free is 30,000 at the | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
moment. He might cut back. There will also beat potentially a cut | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
down on tax avoidance. What would a Budget be without a crackdown on | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
tax avoidance? We are told that could raise as much as �10 billion. | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
Finally, his only piece of Christmas cheer, if it is even that, | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
he is expected to cancel the 3p rise in fuel duty planned for | :30:29. | :30:38. | |
:30:39. | :30:43. | ||
The latest poll had the Tories at 30 %, Labour at 44 %. A 14 point | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
lead. The Tories at their worst bar once since they formed the | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
Coalition government. Absolutely. What he said about the budget, what | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
became known as the omnishambles, it absolutely led to that change in | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
the opinion polls. It changed to produce a drop in George Osborne's | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
ratings. Part of what he is trying to do, as well as the important | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
economics, is get the politics right again, of at least looking | :31:09. | :31:14. | |
like he's in charge, looking like there is a competent Chancellor, | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
even if it is a Chancellor that people don't agree with. So when he | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
looks as though he is actually running the Treasury, not just | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
running around. The OBR will downgrade nearly all the forecasts. | :31:27. | :31:34. | |
Will there be any forecasts that are good news? They Mel -- they may | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
well be looking at the employment figures, because that has performed | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
in the last couple of years. There's been a lot of jobs created | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
in the private sector, and net increase of about 700,000. Little | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
bits of good news but hard to find. Let's cross straight over to Prime | :31:50. | :31:57. | |
Minister's Questions in the House I'm sure the whole House will want | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
to congratulate the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
wonderful news they are expecting their first child. This is the | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
perfect piece of news to end what has been an extraordinary Jubilee | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
year. Turning to Afghanistan, the threat to global security from the | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
Al-Qaeda presence in Afghanistan has been significantly reduced. | :32:14. | :32:20. | |
This is in large part the result of the brave work of UK, I SADF and | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
Afghan armed forces. We remain committed to Afghanistan for the | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
long term and will continue to support the development of the | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
Afghan national security forces after at 2014, through continued | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
funding and involvement in training. Our continued contribution to | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
Labour and the political process will underpin a state that is | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
capable of policing its own lands. It is by this Papac Al-Qaeda would, | :32:43. | :32:49. | |
I believe, be unable to re- establish itself in Afghanistan. | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
The Taliban have been told when most of our troops will be leaving. | :32:54. | :33:00. | |
They need to be told what sanctions to expect if they help out Cader to | :33:00. | :33:06. | |
return. What would those sanctions be and would an Allied regional | :33:06. | :33:11. | |
strategic base serve to make them credible? I think the most | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
important sanction for everyone to bear in mind is the fact that the | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
Afghan national security forces are already at a level of 335,000, and | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
are increasingly capable and increasingly able to police and | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
secure their own country. But of course we will continue to be | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
involved, not least through the Officer Training Academy we will | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
establish. The Americans will have a strong relationship, as we will | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
have come up with the government of Afghanistan. We will want to help | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
them in all the ways we can, to make sure that Afghan never again | :33:42. | :33:50. | |
becomes a haven of international terror. Question number two, Mr | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
Speaker. This morning I had meetings with ministerial | :33:54. | :34:03. | |
colleagues and others. In addition to duties in this House... You | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
would have thought I'd got used to it by now! In addition to my duties | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
in his house, I shall have further meetings later today. I visited my | :34:14. | :34:20. | |
critically ill constituents in hospital last week. There were only | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
two nurses on a ward of 30 very ill patients. She has asked me to ask | :34:25. | :34:32. | |
the Prime Minister why he has cut the number of nurses. The number of | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
clinical staff in our NHS since this government came to power has | :34:36. | :34:42. | |
gone up. The number of managers is significantly down. But as my right | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
honourable friend the Health Secretary said, we are not in the | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
slightest bit complacent. There are parts of our NHS where standards of | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
care and standards of nursing are not acceptable. That is why we are | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
introducing things like the friends and family test, to make sure that | :34:58. | :35:04. | |
all hospitals, to the highest standards of the best. Following | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
the publication of the Leveson report last week, does my right | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
honourable friend agree that what we need is a strong, independent | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
regulator, preferably without statutory underpinning? I think it | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
is a moment when we should try and maximise the amount of consensus | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
that they raised in this House and in the country about what is | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
required. I think everyone agrees we need strong, independent | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
regulation along the lines Leveson suggests. Everyone agrees we need | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
million-pound fines. Everyone agrees prominent apologies, | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
independently handled complaints. This is vital. I've been encouraged | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
by the meetings I've had with editors of national newspapers that | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
they will put in place that compliant regulation. I wish to | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
continue the cross-party talks and make sure we can deliver a | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
regulatory system which this House, this country but, above all, the | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
victims can be proud. Let me join the Prime Minister in | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
congratulating the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on their very happy | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
news. They have the best wishes not just of his house but of the whole | :36:11. | :36:17. | |
country. The Conservative Party manifesto published in 20th April | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
10 said, I quote, we will increase health spending in real terms every | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
year. At the head of the statistics Authority says clearly and | :36:25. | :36:32. | |
unequivocally that hasn't happened. What is today's excuse? This | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
government is putting �12.6 billion extra into the NHS. Let me quote in | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
the figures directly from the head of the Office of National | :36:44. | :36:51. | |
Statistics. In real terms, spending in 2010 was 104.2 billion in real | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
terms. In 2011, it was 104.3 billion. That is a real-terms | :36:57. | :37:04. | |
increase. There will be further real-terms increases in 2012, 2013, | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
2014, whereas there would be cuts under Labour. Let me just say to | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
the Prime Minister that even by his standards that was the most | :37:13. | :37:21. | |
slippery answer that could possibly happen. It is unbelievable. He has | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
come to this House 26 times since he became Prime Minister and | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
boasted about how he is increasing health spending every year of this | :37:29. | :37:36. | |
Parliament. He has failed to meet the promise. It's not an argument | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
between me and him. We have a ruling from the chair of the | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
independent UK statistics authority who says it hasn't happened, and I | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
should be grateful if the Department of Health could clarify | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
the statements made. Instead of his usual bluster, why doesn't he just | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
correct the record? It's a very simple point. The spending figures | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
for 2010 were set by the last Labour government. Those are the | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
figures we inherited. All the right honourable gentleman is doing is | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
proving that his government was planning for an NHS cut. And we | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
have taken that figure in 2010. We have increased it in 2011 and we | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
will increase it again in every year of this Parliament. People | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
don't have to look at manifestos for a contrast. They can look at | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
what Labour is doing in Wales. The Labour Party is in charge in Wales | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
and they have cut the NHS in Wales by 8%. As a result, waiting times | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
are up, waiting lists are down, quality is down. That is what you | :38:39. | :38:47. | |
get with Labour and the NHS. knows the reality, which is that he | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
made a promise, there's no point in him shaking his head and getting | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
annoyed, he made a promise that he would keep the NHS budget rising in | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
real terms every year of the parliament. Labour's plan that we | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
set out at the election was to increase the health budget in 2010 | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
to 2011, and he cut the budget. He knows the reality. Let me give him | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
one more opportunity. He made a solemn promise to the British | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
people for year-on-year increases in the health budget including in | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
2010 to 2011. He failed to meet the promise. Why don't you just admit | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
it? I don't know that I need to remind the right honourable | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
gentleman be general election was after the 2010 year had begun. This | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
was Labour's plan. What we have done is increasing every year. If | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
he doesn't believe that, perhaps he'd listen to the Labour health | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
secretary who gave an interview in the New Statesman when he said this | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
about the Tories. They are not ring-fencing it, they are | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
increasing it. Cameron has been saying it every week in the Commons. | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
Oh, the Shadow Health Secretary wants to spend less on health and | :39:55. | :40:02. | |
us. Question, which is true, isn't it? Yes, it's true. That's my point. | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
Confirmed. It is official. Labour want to cut our NHS. It would never | :40:07. | :40:17. | |
:40:17. | :40:23. | ||
be safe with them again. No, the reality is... My right honourable | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
friend left a rising health budget and this Prime Minister could do it. | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
That is the reality. Let me try him on another fact which I'm sure | :40:32. | :40:42. | |
he'll be able to give to the House. Can you tell us how big an income | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
tax could he is giving next April to people earning over �1 million a | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
year, as a result of the reduction in the top rate of tax? I'm not | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
surprised he wants to get of Health... That was the biggest own- | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
goal I think I've ever seen. On the issue of the top rate of tax, when | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
his government put the top rate of tax up to 50p, what it actually | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
meant was many fewer millionaires paid that operate. As a result, the | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
tax take suffered by �7 billion. I would remind him that under this | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
government the top rate of tax will be high in every year than any year | :41:22. | :41:28. | |
it was when he was working in the Treasury. I will give him the | :41:28. | :41:36. | |
answers. Next April, everyone earning over �1 million will have a | :41:36. | :41:46. | |
tax cut of �107,000 a year. It is no good the Deputy Prime Minister | :41:46. | :41:53. | |
shouting from a central position, he went along with it! The party of | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
Lloyd George. He went along with it. He hasn't kept his promise on all | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
being in it together. Let's ask him about his central promise. Two | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
years ago he said that by 2015, I quote, we will have balanced the | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
books. Can he explain why he is so badly failing to keep that promise? | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
Let me give him the figures on the top rate of tax because it is | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
important. In 2009-2010 there were 16,000 people earning more than 1 | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
million, with a tax liability of 13 billion. When the rate went up in | :42:28. | :42:36. | |
2011, this plummeted to 6000 people. So therefore, because of his | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
election gambit 50p, it cost the country �7 billion. When it is he | :42:42. | :42:47. | |
going to realise setting tax rates is about raising money not about | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
punishing success? That's what we need to understand. In terms of the | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
deficit, we have cut the budget deficit by 20 % -- 25 %. They'll be | :42:58. | :43:04. | |
getting an of -- update on progress in a minute. But how can you deal | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
with a borrowing problem by pledging to borrow more? Let's just | :43:09. | :43:19. | |
be clear about his answer on 50 P. The answer to the problem of tax | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
avoidance is to give the people doing it a tax cut. That is the | :43:23. | :43:32. | |
answer he gave up. Give them a big giveaway. The reality of Prime | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
Minister couldn't get away from, the deficit is going up not down on | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
his watch. We all remember the posters, with his airbrushed face | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
saving, I'll cut the deficit not the NHS. The facts speak for | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
themselves. He has cut the NHS and he is not cutting the deficit. | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
is 100 % wrong. We are increasing spending on the NHS and cutting the | :43:57. | :44:04. | |
deficit. We have cut the deficit by 25 %. They Iraq 1 million more | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
private sector jobs. Businesses are starting up at a higher rate than | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
at any time in our history. This economy is on the right track. We | :44:12. | :44:14. | |
are equipping Britain for the global race. Unlike the party | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
opposite, we are on the side of people who work hard and want to do | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
the right thing. And what is his answer? More borrowing, more | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
spending, more of the things that got us into the mess in the first | :44:25. | :44:34. | |
place. Mr Speaker, three years ago the NHS spent �500 million on | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
Tamiflu without having seen all the data on effectiveness or safety. | :44:37. | :44:43. | |
Given that far from being an isolated case, it is normal for the | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
drugs industry to have almost complete control over the evidence | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
based upon which crucial decisions are made, will the Prime Minister | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
ask them to make available the full clinical reports on Tamiflu, so | :44:54. | :45:02. | |
that doctors, patients and My honourable friend has excellent | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
work on behalf of the taxpayer through the very good questions and | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
work that he does. He raises the issue not only because of the cost | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
to the taxpayer, but also because of possible overstatement of | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
benefits to patients. There does need to be more transparency in | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
clinical trials data. We are committed to making sure that | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
happens. The European Medicines Agency's work is supported on this. | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
From next year there will be a legal requirement to publish | :45:27. | :45:34. | |
reports from clinical trials. week, we learned that, despite | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
assurances and exhaustive checks that were taking place, that the UK | :45:38. | :45:44. | |
border agency made minimal checks to trace 124,000 asylum seekers and | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
migrants with 150 boxes left unopened. Does this not show that | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
the 20% cuts to the Border Agency has put at risk our efforts to | :45:54. | :46:00. | |
secure our borders? First of all, I think this is a week to recognise | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
the fact that we said we would cut immigration and net immigration is | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
down by 25% under this government. I want us to do far better in terms | :46:08. | :46:17. | |
of chasing down illegal overstayers and illegal migrants. Good work is | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
being done there, also involving private sector organisations | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
finding these people. Yes, we had to make reductions in the Border | :46:25. | :46:29. | |
Agency budget, as we did because all budgets. But he should have | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
noticed that government is about, these days, getting more for less. | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
The Prime Minister will be aware that Portsmouth has been the home | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
of the Royal Navy and a working dockyard for over 500 years. Given | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
that the Business Secretary appears to have prejudged a study into the | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
future of shipbuilding, what reassurance can the Prime Minister | :46:47. | :46:52. | |
give me and 1500 shipbuilders that Portsmouth will remain integral to | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
the Bill Bernard export of warships and to the base port of our Future | :46:57. | :47:05. | |
The right honourable lady quite rightly speaks up for Portsmouth, | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
which is and will continue to be an excellent home for the Royal Navy. | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
Whatever decision is taken on the future of shipbuilding, the Navy | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
will remain a major employer in the city, not least once the new | :47:16. | :47:22. | |
carriers arrived in a few months' time. I am sure she will also | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
welcome the announced enterprise zone on the Peninsula, which could | :47:26. | :47:33. | |
create 1200 jobs. In June 2010, the Prime Minister said that, despite | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
the Government's deficit reduction plan, he would ensure that there | :47:37. | :47:42. | |
was, and I quote, no increase in child poverty. Does he still | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
standby that assurance? The we are doing everything we can to tackle | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
child poverty and child poverty, on some estimates, has come down. The | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
point we specifically did is that we increased the element of the | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
child tax credit that goes to the poorest families. In the wake of | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
the criminal convictions of the staff who repeatedly abused people | :48:06. | :48:08. | |
living at Winterbourne View Hospital, is it not time that those | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
who take the fees, are employed a staff and supervise those staff are | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
themselves held to account with a new offence of corporate neglect? | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
Well, I listened very carefully to the point my right honourable | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
friend makes. There have been some appalling incidents of completely | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
unacceptable levels of care. People in those organisations are fully | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
subject to the law, as they should be. If the law has been broken, | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
that proper consequences should follow. Mr Speaker, one of the | :48:38. | :48:45. | |
greatest issues in my area, in my constituency, and all of the United | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
Kingdom, is the price of electricity. Could the Prime | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
Minister tell the House what action he is taking to mitigate spiralling | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
costs, especially in Northern Ireland? For consumers, we have | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
announced our plans to make sure that companies put people on the | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
lowest tariff, which I think is warmly welcomed across the House | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
and the country. In terms of business, where there is an issue | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
with energy-intensive industries, the Government has announced an | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
intention to exempt those industries from the cost of | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
differences and a reform. That is subject to consultation, but I | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
think it shows that the Government is working hard to help those | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
industries and make sure that they continue to compete and succeed in | :49:26. | :49:31. | |
Britain. The whole house does indeed join with the Prime Minister | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
and congratulating the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on their | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
excellent good news. Will the Prime Minister please confirm to the | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
House that the Commonwealth has, at last, after many of us have been | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
asking for this for years, at last agreed to change the rules on royal | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
succession? Will the Prime Minister undertake to bring before the House | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
a bill very soon so that if this baby is a girl she can follow in | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
the footsteps of her much-loved great-grandmother and become our | :50:02. | :50:09. | |
Queen? I am very grateful to my Honourable Friend for her question. | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
I think I can answer positively on all the points that she made. At | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
the Perth Commonwealth conference I chaired a meeting of the Prime | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
Ministers of all of the different realms. We agreed we and should | :50:20. | :50:23. | |
bring forward legislation to deal with this issue. All of the realms | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
have agreed to do this. We will be introducing legislation into this | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
house very shortly. It will write down in law what we agreed in 2011, | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
that if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's first child is a girl, | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
she can one day be Allah Queen. That is the key point. It's | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
important to explain that the changes will apply to a child born | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
after that date of the announcement last year, even if the bird is | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
before the legislation is passed. I hope it will not take long, | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
certainly not nine months, but just in case there would not be a | :50:57. | :51:04. | |
I welcome the Government commitment to increase efforts to tackle tax | :51:04. | :51:14. | |
:51:14. | :51:15. | ||
avoidance. Starbucks has now caved in to public pressure and announced | :51:15. | :51:21. | |
that it will review the tax arrangements in the UK. Clearly, | :51:21. | :51:28. | |
naming and shaming works. Surely it is time to stop companies engaged | :51:28. | :51:35. | |
in tax-avoidance from hiding behind taxpayer confidentiality? Will the | :51:35. | :51:39. | |
Prime Minister now committed to publishing the names of those | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
companies found by HMRC to have avoided paying their fair share of | :51:44. | :51:51. | |
I very much welcome the right honourable lady's initiative on | :51:51. | :51:58. | |
this and what her committee is looking at. I thank her for their | :51:58. | :52:04. | |
warm words of support. We have recovered revenues from large | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
businesses in the last six years, including �4 billion in the last | :52:08. | :52:14. | |
four years from these transfer requiring systems alone, one of the | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
issues covered in such detail in the press. I am committed to doing | :52:17. | :52:20. | |
all we can to look at the options to make sure that companies pay | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
taxes properly. I agree with what she said about public and even some | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
political pressure. On some occasions, I myself have made one | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
or two remarks that were seen as controversial. I think it's | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
important that people feel they meet their responsibilities and pay | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
their taxes. Will my right honourable friend do everything he | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
can to ensure that education, health and social services work | :52:46. | :52:52. | |
together to jointly commission services that will make sure that | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
the much welcome reforms in the children and families bill will be | :52:55. | :53:01. | |
workable on the ground? Honourable Friend makes a very | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
important point. We need to get away from the idea of government or | :53:05. | :53:07. | |
local government operating in silos with different budgets and | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
different apartments not working together. I know that representing | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
Swindon, as he does, Swindon Borough Council has to get huge | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
steps in bringing agencies together and working in the area of problem | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
families. I commend them for the work that they do. Whatever | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
announcements the Chancellor makes on pension tax relief in 30 | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
minutes' time, is it not a fact that when this government came to | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
power its changes to pension tax relief gave a tax cut of �1.6 | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
billion to people earning more than �150,000? I see the Chancellor has | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
to give the Prime Minister his crib sheet. I'm afraid the Honourable | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
Lady is wrong. We inherited a plan to raise �4 billion from the | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
wealthiest people in terms of taxes. We raised about �4 billion. My | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
right honourable friend will be making further announcement in a | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
moment. The north-east of Scotland makes a major contribution to the | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
UK economy through the offshore oil and gas industry. Will the Prime | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
Minister commit himself to maximising investment in that | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
industry so that we get the maximum number of jobs, energy security and | :54:16. | :54:21. | |
taxation for the future of this country? My honourable friend quite | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
rightly speaks are for the North Sea industry and for everyone who | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
works in it in Scotland. I have been incredibly impressed, when I | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
visited Aberdeen, to see the health and wealth generated by that | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
industry. What we have done on decommissioning and new field | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
allowances, I think, has helped brings uncertainty. We should keep | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
working on that to make sure that we recover as much oil and gas from | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
the North Sea as possible and make the most of this precious natural | :54:47. | :54:56. | |
asset. 7000 fewer nurses, longer waits in accident and emergency, | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
hospitals, according to Dr Foster, told to bursting. The Prime | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
Minister is cutting the NHS while the deficit rises. Will he put that | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
on his posters for the next generation? -- election? I think he | :55:10. | :55:16. | |
was describing the situation in Wales, when Labour had put in place | :55:16. | :55:23. | |
an 8% cut. Let me tell him what is happening in the NHS in England. We | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
have 1350 extra clinical staff. We have taken down the number of | :55:26. | :55:32. | |
managers by 6700. Mixed-sex accommodation is right down. The | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
Cancer Drugs Fund is making sure many more people get access to | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
those drugs. Waiting times are down, the number of people waiting a long | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
time is down. The number of people waiting longer than 52 weeks to | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
start treatment is at its lowest level since records began. He | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
should be supporting his government for its health policy and telling | :55:50. | :55:57. | |
his front bench to stop cutting the NHS. Does my right honourable | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
Friend recall receiving a visit at number 10 from the pupils of market | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
feel special school, whose school had become nicknamed shared city, | :56:06. | :56:13. | |
there were so many demountables on aside? Does he share my delight | :56:13. | :56:18. | |
that the County Council has assigned funds to build a new | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
school, and may I thank him for his support on that campaign? I am | :56:22. | :56:27. | |
grateful to my Honourable Friend for his question. I am a big | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
supporter of Britain's schools. I think they provide a vital service | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
for parents and children with special needs. Sometimes quite | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
acute needs. I am proud of the fact that his government has invested in | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
special schools and they are doing such a good job, including in his | :56:40. | :56:47. | |
constituency. Following the Government's new funding formulas | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
for universities this year, student numbers drop to, or student | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
admissions dropped, by over 50,000. My own local university, | :56:56. | :57:02. | |
Wolverhampton, despite meeting its targets, suffered a drop in | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
allocation and has been told that there will be another cut next year. | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
What guarantees can the Prime Minister gave that universities | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
such as Wolverhampton will not suffer year on year reduction in | :57:15. | :57:20. | |
student numbers as a result of this new formula? The whole point is | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
that his government took difficult decisions to make sure that we | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
could maintain the numbers of people going to our universities. | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
Really, the question goes right back to the party opposite. If you | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
don't support a proper system of student contributions, how on a | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
earth are you going to pay for universities? We have set out our | :57:38. | :57:43. | |
plans. They are actually working well. You don't start paying that | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
money until you in �21,000. You don't start paying back in full | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
until you are paying �35,000. We have a method for making sure we | :57:51. | :57:57. | |
invest in universities, the party opposite hasn't got a clue. Niaomi | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
House's Children's Hospice, which serves my constituency, receives | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
just 10% of funding from the Department of Health. That is | :58:03. | :58:07. | |
different from adult hospices, which receive rather more. This is | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
especially difficult, as they have to pay for all of their | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
prescriptions as private institutions. Will the Prime | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
Minister look again at the reasons for the different treatment of | :58:19. | :58:25. | |
children and adult hospices and meet with me and the hospice's | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
professor to discuss the different funding levels? I'm happy to | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
discuss the issue with my honourable friend. For many years, | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
my family used Day Hospice in Oxford that got no state support at | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
all. What this government has done is continue with the �10 billion | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
annually to support children's hospices. This year, we have added | :58:45. | :58:50. | |
an extra �720,000. What we want to put in place and what we are | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
discussing with the providers of both adult and children's hospices | :58:54. | :59:00. | |
is a system for eight per patient funding system that would be for | :59:00. | :59:04. | |
all hospices. I think that would bring better logic and consistency | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
for how we support this essential part of our health service and, I | :59:08. | :59:14. | |
would argue, our Big Society. the Prime Minister aware that Abbas | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
and turned over �3.3 billion in the UK this year, paid not a single | :59:18. | :59:23. | |
penny in corporation tax, but at the same time were rewarded with a | :59:23. | :59:27. | |
�10 million grant from the SNP's Scottish government? Doesn't this | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
demonstrate that both our Prime Minister and First Minister stand | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
up for the wrong people? When will this government move away from | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
punishing the poorest in society and focus on those that abide and | :59:38. | :59:48. | |
:59:48. | :59:50. | ||
We want these large multinational companies to pay proper taxes here | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
in the UK. We believe that you do that by having low tax rates, and | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
by making sure they declare their income properly. That's why it on | :59:58. | :00:02. | |
this specific issue of transfer payments, where some companies have | :00:02. | :00:07. | |
been pursuing rather strange practices to pretend that their | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
revenues aren't delivered here in the UK and run down their tax bills. | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
In the last four years we've recovered �4 billion in tax revenue | :00:14. | :00:24. | |
:00:24. | :00:24. | ||
in this way. The HMRC knows there is very much more we can do. | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
Residents in Southwark council were very excited when the Energy Bill | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
was published last week, because it now gives a potential green light | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
to the building of Sizewell C nuclear power station, with many | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
jobs. Will the Prime Minister commit to continuing to invest in | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
apprenticeships and skills training, so that Suffolk people can get the | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
jobs that are created? She is right. The entry of the Energy Bill to | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
Parliament means we can get out there and sell to all of the energy | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
companies the very clear and stable framework that the UK has for | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
offshore wind, nuclear, renewables and Pugaca. I think it's a very | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
positive development. There's a huge amount of potential, pent-up | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
investment. We need to make sure that that results in British jobs | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
and apprenticeships and the government is fully committed to | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
making that happen. The Prime Minister obviously believes that | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
within the Leveson report there lurks something which is bonkers. | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
Given that, how would the Prime Minister characterise the views of | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
his Planning Minister, who has just said that over the coming months | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
and years, tens of thousands of new homes will have to be built on | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
greenfield sites? The point I make about, let me deal with the | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
planning minister first, yes, we should build on brownfield land, | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
yes, we should try and deal with the problem of empty homes. But we | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
do have to have a frank conversation about the need to | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
build more flats and houses, so we don't have the current situation we | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
have where if you don't have the help from the Bank of mum and dad, | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
people are in their mid-thirties before buying their first home. I | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
don't think that is acceptable. All credit to the Planning Minister for | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
trying to fix this problem. On the issue of the Leveson report, I | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
think there is a wide degree of agreement about what a new | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
regulatory system ought to look like. It is set out there in black | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
and white. We need to challenge the press to introduce it. If they | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
don't then we would have to take further action. With more men in | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
work than ever before, with more women in work than ever before, | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
with a deficit cut by 25 % and interest rates at historic lows, | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
does my right honourable friend not agree with me that the opposition | :02:31. | :02:39. | |
Danby, code for more debt, would jeopardise all those achievements? | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
-- Plan B. We are making progress. Of course it is tough when there | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
are so many economic head wins against us. But a million more | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
private sector jobs, the deficit down by 25 %, a record number of | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
businesses started up last year. Plan B stands for bankruptcy. That | :02:55. | :03:05. | |
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is what Labour would give us. universal health care system free | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
at the point of delivery is what the overwhelming majority of the | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
British people want. Something which I remained firmly committed | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
to. However, there are increasing complaints about nurses who failed | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
to show care and compassion to their patients. What exactly will | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
the Prime Minister do about that? The honourable lady speaks for the | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
whole house and the whole country in raising this issue. I know how | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
painful it must have been with what she has witnessed in her own life | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
and with her own family. I am, as she is, a massive fan of our | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
National Health Service, an enormous fan of the factor is free | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
at the point of use, that you don't produce a credit card when you go | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
to hospital or start my own family has had extraordinary care through | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
our NHS. But we don't do our NHS or nurses any favours if we don't. Out | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
there are some very real problems in parts of our health and care | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
systems. As a constituency MP, I see quite a few letters from people, | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
particularly elder -- elderly people and their relatives, who are | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
not getting the sort of care that is appropriate. I set up a forum | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
that I have attended myself to discuss with nurses and nurse | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
leaders these issues. There is no magic wand, but some simple steps | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
like asking every hospital to carry out a friends and family test. | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
Asking the patients and staff, would you be happy for your family | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
or friends to be treated in this hospital? That can make a real | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
difference. The idea that four elderly patients and this should be | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
there by your bedside once an hour, checking that UCATT water, | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
something to eat, you haven't got bedsores and are properly looked | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
after. We shouldn't have to dictate these things. I think a proper | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
conversation with our nurses, who are angels by the vast degree, can | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
get this sort it out for all our relatives. Order. Statement, the | :05:02. | :05:12. | |
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Mr Speaker, it has taken time but the British economy is healing. | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
After the biggest financial crash of our lifetimes, people know that | :05:21. | :05:28. | |
we face deep-seated problems at home and abroad. At home we live | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
with the decade of debt and the failure to equip Britain to compete | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
in the modern world. And we face a multitude of problems from abroad. | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
The US fiscal Cliff, the slowing growth in China. Above all, the | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
eurozone are now in recession. People know that there are no quick | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
fixes to these problems are. But they want to know that we're making | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
progress. The message from today's Autumn Statement is that we are | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
making progress. It is a hard road but we are getting there. Britain | :06:05. | :06:13. | |
is on the right track. Can I ask the Chancellor to resume his seat? | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
Let's be clear, each side should be heard with courtesy. A house does | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
well enough by now that I will afford a very full opportunity for | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
questioning of the Chancellor. But the more interruption, the greater | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
the noise, the longer the session will take, and that cannot be right. | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
I appeal to members pleased to give the Chancellor a courteous hearing, | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
as indeed if it becomes necessary I will appeal to government | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
backbenchers to afford a fair hearing to the Shadow Chancellor. | :06:44. | :06:54. | |
:06:54. | :06:54. | ||
That is how it should be. The Britain is on the right track. | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
Turning back now would be a disaster. We have much more to do. | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
The deficit has fallen by a quarter in just two years. And today's | :07:05. | :07:12. | |
figures show it is forecast to continue to fall. Exports of goods | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
to the major emerging economies, which were pitifully low, have | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
doubled since 2009. Since this Coalition government came to office, | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
1.2 million new jobs have been created in the private sector. In a | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
world economy where bond investors are fleeing countries they regard | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
as whisky, Investment is flowing into UK gilts, instead of flying | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
from them. We have to keep it that way. Two years ago, Britain was in | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
no danger zone. Now we are seen as one of the safe havens, able to | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
borrow money at lower interest rates than at any time in our | :07:50. | :07:59. | |
history. And today's forecast shows a �33 billion saving on the debt | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
interest payments it was predicted we would have to pay two years ago. | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
That is as much as the entire defence budget. Which is why in | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
this autumn statement we show that his Coalition government is | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
confronting the country's problems instead of ducking them. Today, we | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
reaffirm our commitment to reducing the deficit, setting out the | :08:22. | :08:28. | |
details of our spending plans for 2015-2016, and rolling forward an | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
outline framework into 2017-2018. We show our determination to do | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
this fairly, with further savings from bureaucracy, from the benefits | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
bill and from the better off. We go one the equipping Britain to | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
succeed in the global race by switching from current spending to | :08:46. | :08:53. | |
Capital Investment in science, roads and education. We offer a new | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
support for business and enterprise, so that they can create the jobs we | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
need. In everything we do, we will show today we are on the side of | :09:00. | :09:07. | |
those who want to work hard and get on. The Office for budget | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
Responsibility has today produced its latest economic forecast. It is | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
a measure of the constitutional achievement that it is taken for | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
granted there are countries -- that Arab countries forecasters now | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
produced independently of the Treasury, free from the political | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
interference of the past. I want to thank Robert Chote, his fellow | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
members of the Budget Responsibility Committee and all | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
their staff at the OBR for their rigorous approach. One of the | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
advantages of the creation of the OBR is that not only do we get | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
independent forecasts, we also get an independent explanation of why | :09:45. | :09:52. | |
the forecasts are as they are. If, for example, lower growth was the | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
result of the Government's fiscal policy, they would say so. But they | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
do not. They say the economy has performed less strongly than | :10:00. | :10:09. | |
expected. They forecast growth this year of minus 0.1 %. These are | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
their words, the weaker than expected growth can be more than | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
accounted for by over-optimism regarding net trade. Because the | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
OBR has previously assumed that the eurozone would begin to recover in | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
the second half of this year. Instead, it has continued to | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
contract. That has hit our exports to these markets and the net trade | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
numbers. The eurozone crisis has also, the OBR say, spilled over | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
into tighter credit conditions and elevated UK bank funding costs. And | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
in their words, these problems will constrain growth for several years | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
to come. There are domestic problems, too, that they referred | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
to. In the report today, the contraction in 2008-2009 is now | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
assessed to be deeper than previously thought, with GDP | :11:01. | :11:08. | |
shrinking by a staggering 6.3 %. A lot just a shock to our economy | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
since the Second World War. -- the largest shock. The aftermath of | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
this shock continues to weigh on the productivity of the UK economy, | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
with credit rationing and impaired financial markets potentially | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
impeding the expansion of successful firms. They say the GDP | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
growth is now expected to be lower in every year of the forecast | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
period, as credit conditions take longer to normalise and global | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
growth remains, in their words, weaker than previously expected. As | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
a result, the OBR forecast that the economy will grow by 1.2 % next | :11:43. | :11:53. | |
:11:53. | :11:54. | ||
year, then 2% in 2014, 2.3 % in 2015, 2.7 % in 2016 and 2.8 % in | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
2017. So the economy is recovering and it is recovering more quickly | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
than many of our neighbours. The IMF estimates that the UK next year | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
will grow more strongly than either France or Germany. Are credible | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
fiscal policy allows for supported monetary policy. With the Bank of | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
England we are directly addressing the problems of tight credit | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
through the �70 billion funding for lending scheme. In the OBR's view | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
today, this has reduced UK bank funding costs, lower interest rates | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
in the real economy and will add to the level of real GDP. One area | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
where the British economy has done much better than forecast is in | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
creating jobs. Since early 2010, the private sector has created 1.2 | :12:40. | :12:47. | |
million new jobs, 600,000 more than was predicted. Youth unemployment | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
has been falling. Instead of peaking at 8.7 %, the OBR now | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
expect unemployment to peak at 8.3 %. This at a time when the | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
unemployment rate in Spain is 26 %, in France it is almost 11 % and | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
across the whole eurozone it is almost 12 %. Employment, already at | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
a record high, is set to go on rising each year of the forecast. | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
Everyone jobless in the public sector, two new jobs are expected | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
to be created in the private sector. Britain now has a greater | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
proportion of its people in work than either the eurozone or the | :13:26. | :13:33. | |
United States of America. More jobs means that the impact of the weaker | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
than forecast GDP on the public finances has been less than some | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
might have expected. They have been three developments that have each | :13:41. | :13:48. | |
had a significant one-off impact on the public finances. In the report | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
today we publish clearly and transparently the impact of all | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
three. First, there is the transfer of the Royal Mail pension fund to | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
the public sector as part of its privatisation. This produces a one- | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
off reduction in the deficit of �28 billion this year, but it adds to | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
the deficit in the years after. Second, the previous government had | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
classified Bradford & Bingley and Northern Rock Asset Management as | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
off-balance sheet. Today it is brought on balance sheet, in line | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
with the judgment of the Office for National Statistics. This adds | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
around �70 billion to our national debt and reminds us of the price | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
the country is still paying for the failures of the past. Third, the | :14:30. | :14:38. | |
government has decided, with the agreement of the Bank of England, | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
to transfer excess cash held in the asset purchase facility to the | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
Exchequer. This is sensible cash management. It is in line with the | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
approach of the Bank of Japan and the US Federal Reserve. I welcome | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
the OBR's verdict that this is, in their words, more transparent than | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
the previous approach. I want to make sure its impact on the figures | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
is also completely transparent, so we have today publish the forecast | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
for the public finances with and without the impact of the HPF | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
decision. When we came to office, the deficit stood at 11.2 % - the | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
highest in our peacetime history. It was forecast to be the largest | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
of any major economy in the world. In the last two years the deficit | :15:22. | :15:28. | |
has fallen by a quarter. Today's figures show that with or without | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
the coupons, the deficit is forecast to fall this year as well. | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
And cash borrowing is forecast to fall, too. Last year the deficit | :15:39. | :15:45. | |
was 7.9 %. This year, with the coupons, it is forecast to be 6.9 %, | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
but that excludes the impact of the Royal Mail pension assets. It is | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
falling and will continue to fall each and every year to 6.1 % next | :15:53. | :16:00. | |
year, 5.2 % the year after, for 0.2 % in 2015 to 2016, then 2.6 % | :16:00. | :16:10. | |
:16:10. | :16:11. | ||
before reaching 1.6 % in 2017-2018. In 2009-2010, the country was | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
borrowing �159 billion. This year we are borrowing �108 billion. That | :16:16. | :16:23. | |
is forecast to fall to 99 billion next year, 88 billion a year after | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
then 73 billion in 2015 to 2016 and 49,000,000,030 1 billion in the two | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
years after that. These are the central forecasts published by the | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
Op Art, with the asset purchase facility cash transfer included. | :16:38. | :16:45. | |
When the transfer is excluded. The deficit also false. From 7.9 % last | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
year to 7.7 % this year, then 6.9 % next year, and also in every single | :16:50. | :17:00. | |
:17:00. | :17:02. | ||
year after that. Cash borrowing There are those who have been | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
saying that the deficit was going up this year. Indeed, I think I | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
heard it in Prime Minister's questions, but anyway you present | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
the figures, this is not what the forecasts show today from the OBR. | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
They say that the deficit is coming down. Coming down this year and | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
every year of this Parliament. Yes, the deficit is still far too high | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
for comfort. We cannot relax our efforts to make our economy safe. | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
But Britain is heading in the right direction. The road is hard, but we | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
are making progress. Mr Speaker, unlike the previous Government's | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
golden rule, the regime means that the Chancellor is no longer judge | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
and jury of their own fiscal rules and the OBR have assessed thus | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
against those rules. First, the fiscal mandate. This is the | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
commitment that we will balance the adjusted current budget over the | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
coming five years. I can tell the House that the OBR have assessed we | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
are in their words, on course, to meet our fiscal mandate. In other | :18:07. | :18:15. | |
words, we have a better-than-50% chance of -- a better than 50% | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
chance of relimb nating our -- eliminating our deficit. This is | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
true with or without the transfer of coupons, so we'll meet the | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
mandate, but the OBR assessed in their central forecast that we do | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
not meet the supplementary objective that aims to have debt | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
falling by 2015/16. The point at which debt starts to fall has been | :18:39. | :18:46. | |
delayed by one year. The OBR's central forecast is that net debt | :18:46. | :18:56. | |
:18:56. | :18:59. | ||
will be 7 7.4% this year and 79% in 2014/15 and lower before falling to | :18:59. | :19:07. | |
79.2% in 2016/17. And 77.3% in 2017/18. In short, the tougher | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
economic conditions mean that while our deficit is forecast to go on | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
falling, instead of taking three years to get our debt falling, it's | :19:14. | :19:21. | |
going to take four. Mr Speaker, confronted with this news, some say | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
we should abandon our deficit plan and try to borrow more. They think | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
by borrowing more we can borrow less. That would risk higher | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
interest rates, more debt interest payments and a complete loss of | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
Britain's fiscal credibility. We are not taking that road to ruin. | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
Now, then there are those who say that despite all that has happened | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
in the world this year, we should cut even more now to hit the debt | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
target. That would require �17 billion of extra cuts a year, and | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
let me explain why I've decided not to take this course. We have always | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
argued we should let the automatic stabilisers work and we have not | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
argued we should chase down a cyclical or temporary deterioration | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
in the economy, particularly one which our own independent body says | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
is largely driven by problems abroad. That's also the judgment of | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
the IMF, the OECD and the Governor of the Bank of England. Our mim is | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
to reduce the -- aim is to reduce the structural deficit. The | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
permanent hole that won't be repaired as the economy recovers | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
and we are. We have cut the structural deficit by 3% in the | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
last two years, more than any other G7 country and it is set to go on | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
being cut at a similar rate in the years ahead. This lower deficit is | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
delivered by our public spending plans and we are going to stick | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
with those plans. Overall, we are not going faster or slower with | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
those plans, but the measures I'll announce in this Autumn Statement | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
are fiscally neutral across this Parliament. There is no net rise in | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
taxes today. Any taxes increased are offset by taxes cut. Mr Speaker, | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
in last year's Autumn Statement we committed the Government to | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
maintain the same pace of consolidation for two further years | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
beyond the end of the current spending review, in 2015 and | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
2016/17. In this year's Autumn Statement we extend the | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
consolidation for one further year into 2017/18. The OBR projects that | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
as a result the share of national income spent by the State will fall | :21:35. | :21:45. | |
:21:45. | :21:45. | ||
from almost 48% of GDP in 2009/2010 to 39.5% by 2017/18. The document | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
shows total managed expenditure will continue to fall and will now | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
be 4.6 billion lower in 2017/18 than if it had been held flat in | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
real terms. No decision to cut spending is ever easy, but those | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
who object must explain whether instead they would have higher | :22:03. | :22:11. | |
taxes or higher borrowing or both. I also provide further details of | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
the done colation plans for -- consolidation plans for the last | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
year of this Parliament. I said two years ago that the correct balance | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
between spending and tax should be 80/20. I can confirm that by the | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
end of 2015, the decisions we announce today mean we will almost | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
exactly deliver on that mix. Total spending will fall in that final | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
year of this Parliament at the same rate as through the current | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
spending review. I can confirm today that the overall envelope for | :22:44. | :22:51. | |
total mefrpgd expenditure will be set at -- managed expenditure will | :22:51. | :23:01. | |
be set at �749 billion. The detail of departmental spending plans for | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
2015/16 will be set at a spending review, which will be announced | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
during the first half of next year. What we do today is to take steps | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
now to help deliver the plans and to go on reducing the deficit in a | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
way that is fair. This Government has shown that it is possible to | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
restore sanity to the public finances while improving the | :23:21. | :23:29. | |
quality of our public services. Crime has fallen. Hospital waiting | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
lists are down. School standards are up. And this is with a Civil | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
Service that is today smaller than at any time since the Second World | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
War. We are today publishing the reports we commissioned from the | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
Pay Review Body on market-facing pay. We commit to implement the | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
reports. This means continuing with national pay arrangements in the | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
NHS and Prison Service and we will not make changes to the Civil | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
Service arrangements either. But the school teachers' review body | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
does recommend much greater freedom to individual schools to set pay in | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
line with performance. My right honourable friend, the Education | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
Secretary, will set out how this will be implemented. Through the | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
efforts of individual departments and with the support from the | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
Minister in the Cabinet Office we have generated savings in Whitehall, | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
but we believe there is room to do more. If all departments reduce | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
spending on administration in line with the best-performing | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
departments like education, then another �1 billion could be saved. | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
If all departments made greater provision of digital services, | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
rationalised their property estates as some have done, then a further | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
�1 billion could be saved. Today, we are reducing departmental | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
resource budgets by 1% next year and 2% the year after. We'll | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
continue to seek efficiency savings in the NHS, in our schools, but | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
that money will be recycled to protect spending in these priority | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
areas. Local government budgets are already being held down next year | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
to deliver the freeze in council tax, so we will not seek the | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
further 1% saving next year, but we will look for the 2% saving the | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
year after. While the MoD is included in the measures, they'll | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
be given flexibility on their multi-year budget to ensure this | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
will not lead to reductions in military man power or the core | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
defence equipment programme over the Parliament. A mark of our | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
values as a society, is our commitment to the world's poorest. | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
We made a promise as a country to spend 0.7% of our gross national | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
income on international development and I'm proud to be part of the | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
first British government in history which will honour that commitment | :25:55. | :26:02. | |
and honour it as promised next year. We will not, however, spend more | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
than 0.7%, so as we did last year, we'll adjust the budget to reflect | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
the latest economic forecasts. In the medium-term, these savings | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
across Whitehall will help departments maintain the right | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
route for the years that follow Spending Review and help us to pay | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
off the deficit in the future. In the short-term, I'm switching the | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
current savings into capital, all the money saved in the first two | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
years will be reinvested as part of a �5 billion capital investment in | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
the infrastructure of our country. So despite Mr Speaker, the fiscal | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
challenges we face, public investment as a share of GDP will | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
be higher on average in that Parliament than it was under the | :26:46. | :26:53. | |
last Labour government. It is exactly what a government equipping | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
Britain to compete in the modern global economy should be doing. We | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
are committing an extra �1 billion to roads, including four major new | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
schemes to upgrade key sections of the A1, bringing the route from | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
London to Newcastle up to motorway standard. Linking the A5 with the | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
M1, and the A30 in Cornwall and upgrading the M25, which will | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
support the biggest port development in Europe and I pay | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
tribute to my friend for Thurrock for her campaigning. We have | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
already set out plans this autumn for a huge investment in rail and | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
my right honourable friend the Transport Secretary will set out in | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
the new year plans to take high speed II to the north-west and West | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
Yorkshire. I can today confirm a �1 billion loan and a guarantee to | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
extend the Northern Line to Battersea Power Station and support | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
a new development on a similar scale to the Olympic Park. We are | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
confirming funding and reforms to assist the construction of up to | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
120,000 new homes and delivering on flood defence schemes in more | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
cities. On top of broadband expansion for our countryside and | :28:01. | :28:10. | |
larger cities, we are funding ult fast broadband in 12 smallers | :28:10. | :28:19. | |
cities -- ultra fast broadband in 12 smaller cities. In addition to a | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
third of one billion for British science, we are today announcing | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
�600 million more for the UK's scientific research infrastructure | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
and since improving our education system is the best investment in a | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
competitive economy, I'm committing �270 million to fund improvements | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
in further education colleges and �1 million to expand good schools | :28:43. | :28:53. | |
:28:53. | :28:55. | ||
and build 100 new free schools and academies. -- �1 billion. Scotland, | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
Wales and Northern Ireland will get their share of further capital | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
spending put at their disposal of their devolved administrations. On | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
top of that �5 billion of new capital spending in infrastructure | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
and support for business, we are ready to provide guarantees for up | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
to �40 billion more. Today, I can announce that projects worth �10 | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
billion have already prequalified. We are offering �10 billion worth | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
of guarantees for housing too. Our country's pension funds will launch | :29:23. | :29:24. | |
their any independent infrastructure investment platforms | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
next year as well. We have today published full details of the | :29:29. | :29:37. | |
replacement for the discredited PFI since we can all see now that the | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
public sector was sharing the risk and we'll ensure we also share in | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
the reward. I commend my honourable friend for Hereford for his work in | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
this area. Taken together, this is a revolution in the sources of | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
finance for upgrading Britain's infrastructure and equipping | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
Britain to win in the global race. Annual average infrastructure | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
investment, which was �29 billion under the last Labour government, | :30:01. | :30:08. | |
is now �33 billion. Savings from Whitehall are not enough by | :30:08. | :30:15. | |
themselves to talkle our debt. We need toen -- to tackle our debt. We | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
need to find other ways. Those with the most should contribute the most | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
and they will, but fairness is also about being fair to the person who | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
leaves home every morning to go out to work and sees their neighbour | :30:25. | :30:35. | |
:30:35. | :30:42. | ||
still asleep living a life on Let me start with tax. The vast | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
majority of people, which will otherwise, pay their taxes and make | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
their contribution. But there are still too many who illegally evade | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
their taxes or use aggressive tax avoidance in order not to pay their | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
fair share. This government has taken more action against these | :30:56. | :31:02. | |
people than any before it. Prosecutions for tax evasion are up | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
80 %. We will collect �7 billion more a year in tax that is due that | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
the last government. We are increasing by around 2500 the | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
number of tax inspectors going after the raiders and of August. | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
Next year, we will introduce the first ever General ante abuse role, | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
something that never happened in 13 years before we came to office. | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
Next year, for the first time in our history, money will be flowing | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
from bank accounts in Switzerland to Britain instead of the other way | :31:31. | :31:36. | |
round. Because of the treaty we've signed, we expect to receive �5 | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
billion over the next six years from the undisclosed Swiss bank | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
accounts of UK residents. It is the largest tax evasion settlement in | :31:46. | :31:52. | |
British history. We are taking further steps today. Hundreds of | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
millions of pounds of tax loopholes are being closed with immediate | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
effect. We are investigating a abusive use of partnerships. HMRC | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
will not have its budget cut over the next two years, and like other | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
departments. Instead, we will spend �77 million more on fighting tax | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
avoidance, and not just for wealthy individuals. We want the most | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
competitive corporate tax system of any major economy in the world, but | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
we expect those corporate taxes to be paid. So today we are confirming | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
we will put more resources into ensuring multinational companies | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
pay their proper share of taxes. We are leading the international | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
efforts to prevent artificial transfers of profits to tax havens | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
with Germany at now France. We have asked the OECD to take this work | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
forward. We all make it an important priority of our G8 | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
presidency next year. In total, we expect the action we announced | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
today will increase the amount of money collected from tax evasion | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
and avoidance by a further �2 billion a year. Fair and necessary | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
as this is, it is not enough by itself to close the deficit. We | :32:58. | :33:03. | |
need to ask more from... Punitive tax rates do nothing to raise money | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
and simply discourage enterprise and investment in Britain. Other | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
countries on our doorstep of trying that approach and are paying the | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
price. We are not going to make that mistake. HMRC data reveals | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
that in the first year of the 50 % tax rate, tax revenues from the | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
rich fell by �7 billion. The number of people declaring incomes of over | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
�1 million fell by half. A tax raid on the rich that raises almost no | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
money is a tax Con. We are going to have a top rate of tax that | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
supports enterprise and we are going to raise more money from the | :33:38. | :33:44. | |
bridge. Here is a simple fact. The richest will pay a greater share of | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
income tax revenues in every single year of his Coalition government | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
than in any one of the 13 years of the last Labour government. But we | :33:54. | :34:00. | |
need to make sure the deficit reduction remains fair. We need to | :34:00. | :34:10. | |
raise more. We've already... Raised stamp duty on multi-million-pound | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
homes and next week publish the legislation to stop the richest | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
avoiding stamp duty. But we won't introduce a new tax on property. | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
This would require a revaluation of hundreds of thousands of homes. In | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
my view it would be intrusive, expensive to Levy, raised a little | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
and the temptation for future Chancellors to bring ever more | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
homes into its net would be irresistible, so we are not having | :34:35. | :34:42. | |
a new homes tax. We have already reduced the amount of tax relief we | :34:42. | :34:49. | |
give to the very largest pension pots. From 2014-15, I will further | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
reduce the lifetime allowance from �1.5 million to �1.25 million, and | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
reduce the annual allowance from �50,000 to �40,000. This will | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
reduce the cost of tax relief to the public purse by an extra | :35:03. | :35:09. | |
billion pounds a year by 2016-17. 98 % of people currently | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
approaching retirement have a pension pot worth less than 1.25 | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
million. Indeed, the medium pot for such people is just �55,000. 99 % | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
of pension savers make annual contributions to their pensions of | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
less than �40,000. The average contribution to a pension is just | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
�6,000 a year. I know these tax measures will not be welcomed by | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
all. Ways to reduce the deficit never are. But we must demonstrate | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
that we are all in this together and when you look for savings, I | :35:42. | :35:52. | |
:35:52. | :35:52. | ||
think it's fair to look at the tax relief we give to the top 1%. I | :35:52. | :35:57. | |
want to help the great majority of savers. That is why we are | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
introducing a generous, new, single t a pension, so that people know it | :36:02. | :36:08. | |
always pays to save. That is why I will upgrade next April the up for | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
all eyes are limited to �11,520. We will consult on allowing investment | :36:13. | :36:21. | |
in SME equity markets, to be held directly and stocks and shared -- | :36:21. | :36:28. | |
shares icesave macros. I've also encouraged the -- listened to | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
pensioners about draw down limits. The government will raise the cat | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
brought down limit from 100 % to 120 %, giving pensioners that these | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
arrangements the option of increasing their incomes. It is | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
also fair to look at the way we up rate benefits and some tax | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
threshold. The basic state pension has this year gone up by the | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
largest cash amount in its history. Next year, thanks to our triple | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
lock, I confirm it will rise by 2.5 %, higher than either earnings or | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
inflation. That takes the level of the basic state pension to �110.15 | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
a week. When it comes to working age welfare, we've already made | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
substantial reforms. �18 billion a year has been cut from the welfare | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
bill. Benefits of being capped for the first time. So families out of | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
work will not get more than the average family gets for being in | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
work. We have increased efforts to fight welfare fraud. Today the | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
announced further measures and cheques to save over �1 billion in | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
the next four years, by reducing fraud, error and debt in the tax | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
credit system. Next year, my right honourable friend the work and | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
pensions Secretary will introduce the new Universal credit, so that | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
it always pays to work. And today we set the key parameters, such as | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
the levels of earnings disregards. But we have to acknowledge that | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
over the last five years, those on out-of-work benefits have seen | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
their incomes rise twice as fast as those in work. With pay restraint | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
in businesses and government, average earnings have risen by | :38:04. | :38:09. | |
around 10 % since 2007. Out-of-work benefits have gone up by around 20 | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
%. That is not fair to working people who pay the taxes that fund | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
them. Those working in the public services who have seen their basic | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
pay frozen will now see it rise by an average of 1%. A similar | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
approach of a 1% rise should apply to those in receipt of benefits. | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
That is fair and will ensure that we have a welfare system that | :38:31. | :38:37. | |
Britain can afford. We will support the vulnerable, so carer's benefit | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
and disability benefits, including disability element of tax credits, | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
will be increased in line with inflation. We are extending support | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
for mortgage interest for two more years. But most working-age | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
benefits, including jobseeker's Allowance, employment and support | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
allowance and income support will be operated by 1% for the next | :38:56. | :39:02. | |
three years. We were also up rate elements of the child tax credit | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
and the working tax credits by 1% for the next three years. Although | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
previously planned freezers will go ahead. Local housing allowance | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
rates that are essential component of housing benefit will be rated in | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
line with the existing policy next April. Then we will cap increases | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
of 1% in the two years after that. For this measure, 30 % of the | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
savings will be used to exempt from the new cap. Those areas that the | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
highest rent increases. The earnings disregard for Universal | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
credit will also be up rated by 1% for two years from 20th April 14. | :39:38. | :39:46. | |
Child benefit is currently frozen. It, too, will rise by 1% but to -- | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
for two years from April, 2014. Doing this means people get more | :39:51. | :39:57. | |
cash for less than the rate of inflation. Taken together, we will | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
save �3.7 billion in 2015-16, and deliver a permanent savings each | :40:01. | :40:08. | |
and every year from our country's welfare bill. To bring all these | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
decisions and many benefits for many years together, we will | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
introduce into Parliament primary legislation, the welfare up rating | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
Bill, and I hope it can then support from both sides of the | :40:20. | :40:30. | |
:40:30. | :40:32. | ||
We will apply a similar approach to the upper rating of some of our tax | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
thresholds, as we have to welfare. The higher rate threshold will be | :40:38. | :40:46. | |
increased by 1% in the tax year's 2014-15, and 2015-16. So the income | :40:46. | :40:54. | |
at which people start paying the 40 % rate will go up from �41,450, to | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
afford �1,865, then to �42,285. I want to be completely clear with | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
people. This is an increase, in fact, it's the first cash increase | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
in the higher rate threshold in this Parliament, but it's not an | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
increase in line with inflation. So it raises �1 billion of revenue by | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
2015-16. Again, there are no easy ways to reduce the deficit. But | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
from year to year, no one would pay a penny more in income tax. In the | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
same way the capital gains tax annual exempt amount will be | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
increased by 1% up at the same period, reaching �11,100. The | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
inheritance tax nil band rate, which has been frozen since 2009 at | :41:37. | :41:44. | |
�325,000, will be increased by 1% to �329,000. Taken with the welfare | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
up rating decisions, this is a fairer approach to paying off | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
Britain's debts. But dealing with those debts is only one part of | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
making Britain fit to compete in the global race. Countries like | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
ours are risk being outsmarted, outwork and out competed by new, | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
emerging economies. We asked Michael Heseltine to report on how | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
to make the government work better for business and enterprise. It's | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
fair to say that his answer has captured the imagination of all | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
political parties. We will respond formally in the spring. But here is | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
what we will do now. First, government spending should be | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
aligned with the priorities of the local business community. We will | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
provide new money to support local enterprise partnerships. From April, | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
2015, the government will place more of the funding that currently | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
goes to local transport, housing, skills and getting people back to | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
work into a single pot that can be bid for. Details will be set out in | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
the Spending Review. Before then, we are putting more money into the | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
Regional Growth Fund, which is helping businesses create half a | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
million new jobs. Second, as Lord Heseltine also recommends, we are | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
going to support industries and technologies where Britain has a | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
clear advantage. With the Business Secretary's support, we will extend | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
our global lead on aerospace and support the supply chains of | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
Advanced Manufacturing. We are also taking big steps today to support | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
British companies to export to new, emerging markets in Asia, Africa | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
and the Americas. I am increasing the funding for UK t i by over 25 % | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
a year, so that it can help small firms build the capacity of | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
overseas British Chambers and maintain our country's position as | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
the number one destination in Europe for foreign investment. We | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
are launching a new �1.5 billion export finance facility to support | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
the purchase of British exports. Third, we are addressing the credit | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
problems for companies. We are creating a new business bank. Today | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
we confirmed we are providing it with �1 billion of extra capital, | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
which will leave her in private lending to help small and medium- | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
sized firms and bring together existing schemes. Fourth, we are | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
going to cut business taxes still further. The temporary doubling of | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
the small business rate relief scheme helps over 500,000 small | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
firms, or with a 350,000 firms pay no rates at all. The last | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
government were going to ended in 20th September 11. We've already | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
extended to next April. Today I extended to buy a further year to | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
April, 2014. We also confirmed today the tax relief for our | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
employer -- employee shareholders scheme. The Energy Bill provides | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
certainty and support for billions of pounds of investment in | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
renewable energy. Today we publish our gas strategy, to ensure we make | :44:35. | :44:41. | |
the best use of lower cost gas power, including new sources of gas | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
and that the land. We are consulting a new tax incentives for | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
shale gas and announcing the creation of a single office so that | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
regulation is safe but simple. We don't want British families and | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
businesses to be left behind as gas prices tumble on the other side of | :44:55. | :45:02. | |
the Atlantic. We are going to help our construction industry, too. The | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
last government abolished empty property relief. As excellent work | :45:06. | :45:12. | |
done by my honourable friends show, this has blighted development in | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
our towns and cities. The proposal from my colleagues that we create a | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
long grace period before new be completed buildings have to pay him | :45:20. | :45:26. | |
to property rates is a sensible one. We will introduce it next October. | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
The previous government also plans to increase the small companies tax | :45:30. | :45:36. | |
rate to 22 %. We have cut it to 20 %. But I'd like to help small and | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
medium-sized firms more. I want to thank my honourable friends for | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
Burnley and Pendle for their thoughts in this area. Starting on | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
1st January, and for the next two years, I am therefore going to | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
increase by tenfold the annual investment allowance in plant and | :45:54. | :46:02. | |
machinery. Instead of �25,000 worth of investment being eligible for | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
100 % relief, �250,000 of investment will now qualify. This | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
capital allowance will cover the total annual investment undertaken | :46:12. | :46:19. | |
by 99 % of all the business in Britain. It is a huge boost to all | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
those who run a business, who aspire to grow, expand and create | :46:23. | :46:32. | |
I also want Britain to have the most competitive business tax | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
regime of any major economy in the world. I have already cut the main | :46:38. | :46:44. | |
rate of corporation tax from 28% to 24% and it's set to fall further to | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
22%. This has helped British companies and frankly left other | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
countries scrambling to keep up. They will have to try harder for I | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
am today cutting the main rate of corporation tax again by a further | :46:55. | :47:04. | |
1%. In America, the rate is 40%. In France, it is 33%. In Germany, it | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
is 29%. From April 2014, the corporation tax rate in Britain | :47:08. | :47:14. | |
will stand at 21%. This is the lowest rate of any major western | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
economy. It is an advert for our country that says, "Come here, | :47:18. | :47:25. | |
invest here, create jobs here. Britain is open for business." Mr | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
Speaker, we will not pass the benefit of this reduced rate on to | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
banks and to ensure we meet our revenue commitments, the bank levy | :47:34. | :47:40. | |
rate will be increased to 0.130% next year. Making banks contribute | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
more is part of our major reforms to the banking system. We also have | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
to be on the side of those who want to work hard and get on. I know how | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
difficult many families have found the cost of living. In dealing with | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
the deficit, we have had to save money, but whenever we have been | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
able to help, we have. We have helped councils freeze council tax | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
for two years running. And we are helping them to freeze it again | :48:07. | :48:13. | |
next year. We have put a cap on rail fare rises for the next two | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
years, so commuters are not punished for travelling to work and | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
we are forcing energy companies to move families on to the lowest | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
tariffs for bills. And we have helped motorists with the cost of | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
petrol. We have cancelled the last Government's escalator and I'm | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
moving inflation-only rises to September. Fuel is 10 pence per | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
litre cheaper than it would have been if we had stuck to Labour's | :48:37. | :48:45. | |
tax plans. I want to keep it that way. As I note to my colleagues, | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
like my honourable friend to Harlow. There is a rise planned for this | :48:49. | :48:55. | |
January. Now, some have suggested that we delay that three pence rise | :48:55. | :49:01. | |
until April. I disagree. I suggest we can is tell altogether. There | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
will be no three pence fuel tax rise this January. That is real | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
help, with the cost of living for families and they fill up their | :49:08. | :49:18. | |
:49:18. | :49:23. | ||
cars across the country. And it will help everyone. We will have | :49:23. | :49:28. | |
had no increases for two-and-a-half years. In fact, they've been cut. | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
We have helped working people by increasing the they can earn before | :49:33. | :49:38. | |
paying tax. When this Government came to office the personal tax | :49:38. | :49:46. | |
allowance was �6 account 274. It will rise to �9,205. 24 million | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
taxpayers have seen their income tax cut. Two million of the lowest- | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
paid have been taken out of tax altogether. And because of the | :49:54. | :50:00. | |
difficult decisions we have taken today, we can go even further. From | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
next April the personal allowance will rise by �235. That means a | :50:05. | :50:11. | |
total increase next year of �1,335. The highest cash increase ever. | :50:11. | :50:21. | |
People will be able to earn �9,440 before paying any income tax at all. | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
This is a direct boost to the incomes of people working hard to | :50:26. | :50:32. | |
provide for their families. It's �47 extra in cash next year. In | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
total �267 cash increase next year. People working full-time on the | :50:36. | :50:42. | |
minute numb wage will have seen their bill cut in half -- minute | :50:42. | :50:52. | |
:50:52. | :50:53. | ||
numb wage will have seen their -- minimum wage will have seen their | :50:53. | :51:01. | |
tax rate cut in half. In real terms a typical higher-rate taxpayer will | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
be better off next year and no worse off in total by the year | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
after. Mr Speaker, today, we have helped working people. But I do not | :51:10. | :51:15. | |
want to distract from the tough, economic situation we face in the | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
world. The public know there are no miracle cures, just the hard work | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
of dealing with our deficit and ensuring Britain wins the global | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
race. That work is under way. The deficit is down. Borrowing is down. | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
Jobs are being created. It is a hard road, but we are making | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
progress. And everything we do, we are helping those who want to work | :51:37. | :51:47. | |
:51:47. | :51:50. | ||
hard and get on. Thank you. Chancellor sits down. We'll hear | :51:51. | :51:58. | |
now from the Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls. We can see and people can | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
feel in the country, the true scale of this Government's economic | :52:01. | :52:10. | |
failure. Our economy this year is contracting. The Chancellor has | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
confirmed Government borrowing is revised up this year, next year and | :52:13. | :52:21. | |
every year. The national deficit is not rising - is rising, it's not | :52:21. | :52:31. | |
:52:31. | :52:32. | ||
falling. I'll say it again, our economy is contracting this year. | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
Government borrowing and the deficit is revised up this year, | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
next year and every year and the national debt is rising. It is not | :52:40. | :52:47. | |
falling. It is people already struggling to make ends meet, | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
middle and lower-income families and pensioners who are paying the | :52:51. | :52:58. | |
price, while millionaires get a tax cut, a �3 billion welfare hand out | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
to the people who need it -- handout to the people who need it | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
least. Let me spell out the full facts to the House. They should | :53:06. | :53:15. | |
:53:16. | :53:17. | ||
listen. They might learn something, Mr Speaker! In June 2010 the Office | :53:17. | :53:23. | |
for Budget Responsibility forecast our economy to grow by 2.8% this | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
year. In March of this year, they said there would still be growth, | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
but revised it down to just 0.8%. Today, we have learned the | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
Chancellor has not even managed that. Growth has not only been | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
downgraded yet again, but he's confirmed, following the double-dip | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
recession, that our economy is now forecast to actually contract | :53:44. | :53:51. | |
inside this year. That's by 0.1%. Let me remind the House what the | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
Chancellor promised over two years ago in the June Budget. He said, | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
"We have the provided the foundations for economic recovery | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
in all parts of our nation." He said, "We have set the course for a | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
balanced budget and falling national debt by the end of this | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
Parliament." He said, "The richest paying the most, the most | :54:14. | :54:19. | |
vulnerable protected." That was the promise, Mr Speaker. But far from | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
securing our recovery, our economy has flat-lined since Spending | :54:23. | :54:32. | |
Review in 2010. Over the last two years, the Chancellor was expecting | :54:32. | :54:39. | |
4.6% growth. He's actually achieved 0.6% growth. Compared to 1.7 in | :54:39. | :54:46. | |
France, to 3.6 in Germany and to 4.1% in America, falling behind in | :54:46. | :54:53. | |
the global race, Mr Speaker! What we learn today is that growth has | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
been downgraded this year, next year, the year after, the year | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
after and the year after that too. The longest double-dip recession | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
since the Second World War now followed by the slowest recovery in | :55:06. | :55:14. | |
the last 100 years. The result of this stagnation, rising | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
unemployment, long-term damage to our economy, falling behind now as | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
other countries move ahead, is that the Chancellor's fiscal strategy | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
has been completely derailed. The defining purpose of the Government, | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
the cornerstone of the coalition, the one test they set themselves to | :55:32. | :55:38. | |
balance the books and get the debt falling by 2015 is now in tatters. | :55:38. | :55:45. | |
What we have learnt today is that borrowing has -- is that Government | :55:45. | :55:51. | |
borrowing has been revised up this year, next year and the year after | :55:51. | :55:57. | |
that. We now know that compared to the Chancellor's forecast two years | :55:57. | :56:03. | |
ago borrowing is now forecast to be well above the �150 billion of | :56:03. | :56:10. | |
extra borrowing that he was forecasting in March. And they | :56:10. | :56:18. | |
should listen to this - the Chancellor has confirmed that the | :56:18. | :56:24. | |
Prime Minister's pledge to balance the books in 2015 is not met in | :56:24. | :56:34. | |
2015. It's not met in 1016 and it's not met in 2017 either. -- 2016 and | :56:34. | :56:39. | |
it's not met in 2017 either. The fact is there's pour borrowing, Mr | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
Speaker. We will look in detail when we get the figures, because it | :56:43. | :56:49. | |
was very disappointing. The Chancellor failed to give us the | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
cash figures adjusted for borrowing this year, next year and the year | :56:52. | :56:57. | |
after. The unusual thing is that just a few weeks ago the | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
independent forecasters were saying that borrowing would be �6 billion | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
higher this year. We will examine the detail of those figures to see | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
whether there has been any dodgy dealing. We will find out in the | :57:09. | :57:18. | |
coming hours. I don't know. I don't know, because I've not seen the | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
figures, but what I do know is there's more borrowing this year | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
and next year and pour borrowing the year after and the result of | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
that -- more borrowing the year after and the result is that the | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
OBR now shows more borrowing and higher deficits means higher | :57:34. | :57:41. | |
national debt, Mr Speaker. The national debt - the Prime Minister | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
should listen to this. It might be rather shocking to find out. The | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
national debt will be higher at the end of this Parliament than the | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
level inherited. It's going to be higher at the end of this | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
Parliament than forecasted in the plans he inherited and it's no | :57:57. | :58:03. | |
longer falling as a per centage of GDP in 2015. It's rising in 2015 | :58:03. | :58:10. | |
and it's rising again in 2016 too, breaking the fiscal rule for | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
falling debt upon which this Chancellor said his entire | :58:14. | :58:24. | |
credibility depended. In last year's Budget, the Chancellor said, | :58:24. | :58:31. | |
"Our deficit reduction plan is on course. We will not waiver." On | :58:31. | :58:40. | |
course? Not waivering? He's not waivering, he's drowning. Now, the | :58:40. | :58:49. | |
Chancellor is trying to claim his failure on growth and his failure | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
on borrowing and the debt breaking his own fiscal rule, he's trying to | :58:53. | :59:01. | |
claim it's not his fault. That no- one could have foreseen it. What | :59:02. | :59:11. | |
nonsense, Mr Speaker. Because, he was warned that a tough medium-term | :59:11. | :59:19. | |
plan to cut the deficit, tax rises, spending cuts, could only work if | :59:19. | :59:22. | |
the Government first put in place a plan for jobs and growth. He was | :59:22. | :59:27. | |
warned it was a huge gamble to go too far, too fast and rely on | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
exports to bail him out. He was warned there was a hurricane | :59:30. | :59:35. | |
brewing in the eurozone and that was not the time to rip out the | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
fundations of the house built here in Britain. Once again, the | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
Chancellor is trying to blame high oil prices and the eurozone crisis | :59:43. | :59:48. | |
for negative growth this year. But it affected all countries, Mr | :59:48. | :59:56. | |
Speaker. It affected all countries. Why, over the last -- THE SPEAKER: | :59:56. | :00:02. | |
Members must calm themselves. Mr Biles, I thought you were normally | :00:02. | :00:07. | |
a model of restraint and civility. Good heavens man, I don't know | :00:07. | :00:15. | |
what's come over you. Calm yourself. Take a pill if necessary. Keep calm. | :00:15. | :00:25. | |
:00:25. | :00:27. | ||
They don't like it, do they? They don't like it at all. Once again, | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
the Chancellor is trying to blame high oil prices and the euros and | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
crazes. Let me ask him why, over the past two years, has Britain | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
grown by just one 10th of the growth rates of the G20 countries? | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
And why is growth here in Britain even slower than in the eurozone? | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
Mr Speaker, it is not the rest of the world's fault, it is his | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
policies that have failed. He claims that rising VAT, alongside | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
accelerated spending cuts, would boost confidence, secure Recovery | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
and get the deficit down. But they depress confidence, choked off the | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
recovery and borrowing has been revised up. Let me ask the | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
Chancellor whatever happened to his Treasury view, his Theory of | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
expansionary fiscal contraction? It it is the economy which has | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
contracted and the borrowing and the debt that have expanded. That | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
is the truth. I have to say, when the latest figures show that | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
business confidence is falling, when the world economy is slowing, | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
when the eurozone is in such chronic difficulty, that on current | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
plans the fiscal straitjacket tightens further next year, it is | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
simply reckless and deeply irresponsible of this Chancellor to | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
plough on with a fiscal plan that we all know is failing under the | :01:53. | :02:01. | |
terms he said. That is the trip. -- truth. What a wasted opportunity | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
this was. Can he confirm that the OBR looked at the figures he | :02:06. | :02:12. | |
announced today, their verdict has been revised down this year, next | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
year and the year after. Let me congratulate the Chancellor for | :02:18. | :02:25. | |
taking our advice and stopping January's fuel duty rise. Even | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
though they all voted against it just a month ago, they all voted | :02:29. | :02:39. | |
:02:39. | :02:45. | ||
against it... We welcome the U-turn on defence, in part, the U-turn on | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
bargaining in the NHS, the U-turn on capital allowances. After | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
churches, charities, pasties, skips, fuel and caravans, I think you | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
turning is catching on. Whatever happened to the plans for the | :02:59. | :03:06. | |
Business Investment Bank? As for the announcement on infrastructure | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
spending, the extra money for schools is just a fraction of the | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
cats and cancellations of the Building Schools for the Future. | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
We've been here before. A year ago, the Prime Minister boasted of a | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
national infrastructure plan. 12 months on, not a single road scheme | :03:24. | :03:31. | |
has started. Why can't he see that he won't get the deficit down | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
without a plan for jobs and growth? Why is he not using the 4G money to | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
get homes built? Why is he not giving a national insurance holiday | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
for small firms? Why not a temporary tax cut for families? | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
Even though mayor was supporting that. Why is he not repeating the | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
bank bonus tax? The Chancellor says he cannot do this because it would | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
lead to higher borrowing. Even his political attacks are backfiring. | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
This Chancellor's failed plan has given us more welfare spending, | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
higher borrowing and more debt. That is the truth. He has failed on | :04:10. | :04:16. | |
growth and the deficit. What is his answer? More of the same. Let me | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
remind the Chancellor what he told the House in the Budget of 2011. He | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
said, we have already asked the British people for what is needed | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
and we do not need to ask for more. 18 months on, the Chancellor has | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
come back for more. Whom does he think should pay? Not the 80,000 | :04:38. | :04:45. | |
millionaires, said to get over �100,000 each in April. I have to | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
say to the Liberal Democrats, whatever happened to the mansion | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
tax? Don't they realise, even with these changes in personal allowance, | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
the other things they have supported me is that the average | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
family, with children, or �20,000, is worse off, Mr Speaker. That is | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
before the VAT rise. The Chancellor claims that his decision to | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
restrict pension tax relief will make the system fair at the top. | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
Can he confirm the �1 billion he is raising is less than the �1.6 | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
billion that he gave back in pension tax relief in June 2010? | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
And it is just a fraction of the top rate tax cut. A �3 billion top | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
rate tax cut, while at the same time the Chancellor is cutting tax | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
credits for working families, cutting child benefit for middle | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
income families, raising taxes on pensioners in April and cutting | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
benefits for the unemployed. Mr Speaker, we do need to reform and | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
modernise our welfare state and reduce its costs. Those who work, | :05:47. | :05:53. | |
those who can work should work, no IFS or buts. We support a benefit | :05:53. | :06:02. | |
cap, done fairly, with a higher level in London. Let us be clear, | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
the Chancellor claimed he would cut the welfare bill. But higher | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
inflation and long-term unemployment means that the | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
benefits bill is forecast to be billions high up in this Parliament | :06:13. | :06:20. | |
than the Chancellor boasted. Let me help him, Mr Speaker. Welfare to | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
work. The clue is in the domain. You cannot have a successful | :06:24. | :06:31. | |
welfare-to-work programme, without work. We know that the work | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
programme has just totally failed, with only two people in 100 | :06:35. | :06:42. | |
actually going into permanent jobs. Mr Speaker, we should be requiring | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
every young and long-term unemployed person to take a job and | :06:44. | :06:51. | |
making sure that there is one there. Let me ask the Chancellor about an | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
nervous, one of the thousands cut from the NHS in the last two years, | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
now struggling to find a new job. - - a nurse. For that nurse, he has | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
announced he is cutting hair jobseeker's allowance for the next | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
three years. How can that be fair when he is cutting the top rate of | :07:11. | :07:18. | |
tax? How can that be fair when someone earning �228,000 a year | :07:18. | :07:24. | |
will get a top rate tax cut of �75 a week in April, which is more than | :07:24. | :07:32. | |
the �71 that she gets to live on? I have to say, what we learned today, | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
he is not just hitting those looking for work. The majority of | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
people who lose from his cuts to tax credits are people in work. | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
Millions of families, striving hard to do with the right thing. What | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
kind of government believes that you can only make low-paid, working | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
people work harder by cutting the tax credits, but you only make | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
millionaires work harder by cutting their taxes? I'll tell you, | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
certainly not a one-nation government. They must really | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
believe that if you cut taxes at the top, the wealth will trickle | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
down. Let me remind the House what the Chancellor said to the | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
Conservative Party conference in October 2009. He said, we could not | :08:20. | :08:27. | |
even think, we could not even think of abolishing the 50 pence rate on | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
the rich while, at the same time, I am asking many of our public sector | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
workers to accept a pay freeze to protect their jobs. The | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
Chancellor's words. He said, I think we can all agree that would | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
be grossly unfair. What has changed? What has changed? Nothing | :08:45. | :08:53. | |
has changed. It was all Akon and the mask slipped. We now know that | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
this Chancellor cannot say that we are all in this together without a | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
smirk on his face. They wanted us to think there were compassionate | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
Conservatives. Now we find out by are the same old Conservatives and | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
the Liberal Democrats have gone along with all of it, yet again. | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
May I say, Mr Speaker, what a pity. What a pity not to see the | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
honourable member for Mid Bedfordshire in her place. Back | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
from off the jungle. She may not have succeeded in talking to the | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
nation on many things, but she did speak to the nation when she called | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
the Prime Minister and the Chancellor two arrogant posh boys | :09:33. | :09:41. | |
who do not know the price of milk. Mr Speaker, no wonder this Prime | :09:41. | :09:49. | |
Minister keeps on losing his temper. His worst nightmare is coming true. | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
Not snakes and spiders in the jungle, but their fiscal role | :09:53. | :10:00. | |
broken, they economic credibility in tatters, exposed now as | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
incompetent and unfair. Yes, Mr Speaker, he is the Chancellor, | :10:04. | :10:12. | |
can't somebody getting out of here? -- get him out of here. Borrowing | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
revised up, fiscal rules broken. On every target they set themselves, | :10:17. | :10:25. | |
failing, failing, failing. Cutting the NHS and not the deficit. Over | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
�212 billion more borrowing than a promise two years ago. Cutting | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
taxes for the rich, while struggling families and pensioners | :10:33. | :10:43. | |
:10:43. | :10:47. | ||
pay the price. Unfair, incompetent We leave the House of Commons now. | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
If you want to continue watching the Autumn Statement debate and | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
question and answer, you can switch-over to BBC Parliament or go | :10:55. | :11:05. | |
:11:05. | :11:05. | ||
Now, Ed Balls took 20 minutes to reply to the Chancellor's 50 minute | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
Autumn Statement. It was a dense, complicated statement by the | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
Chancellor. Particularly some redefinition of how the deficit is | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
calculated to or complicated factors on how much borrowing the | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
Government is doing. We will try, as we go through the documents, we | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
are already wading through them at the moment and this is just a small | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
part of them, let's take a look at the main points as we understand | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
them at the moment. We start with economic growth. The OBR, the | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
Office For Budget Responsibility, an independent forecasters set up | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
by Mr Osborne, is predicting there will be a small contraction in the | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
economy this year of 0.1%. I understand within that forecast it | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
expects the economy to actually go back into negative territory in the | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
4th quarter of this year. That will be politically very dangerous for | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
the Government, because it will mean that three out of the four | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
quarters of this year would have been in negative territory. Very, | :12:01. | :12:09. | |
very slow growth in 2013 of 1.2%, getting up to 2% in 2014, 2.3 in | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
2015 and almost 3% in 2017. Take the final years with a pinch of | :12:15. | :12:23. | |
salt, it really doesn't mean very much. It is this year, 2013 and | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
then 2014 that matters. As a consequence of this growth, the | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
Government has to decide how much it needs to borrow to finance | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
spending, given that it does not tax enough to be able to meet all | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
of its spending plans. Here is where it gets complicated. We need | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
to look at the somewhat more carefully. The Government is now | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
saying that in this financial year borrowing will be 108 billion. This | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
is because of a number of changes that have been made. If you do not | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
make these changes, we think it still comes in at about 120 billion, | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
which is what the target was. It complicates the debate because both | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
the Labour Party and independent observers were saying that | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
borrowing was going to rise this year, compared to last year and be | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
higher than the target. The way the Chancellor is presenting these | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
figures, it actually falls in this year, against last year. It | :13:12. | :13:21. | |
continues to fall in 2013 and 2014. It's down to 88 billion by 14/15. I | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
have other figures here, car filleting them a different way, | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
which suggest that the Government will still be borrowing 56 billion | :13:29. | :13:35. | |
by 2017 and 2018. We need to unravel that, it's been made very | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
complicated. Let's look at whether this means the Government has met | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
its targets. The Government says that it is on course to meet its | :13:42. | :13:49. | |
fiscal mandate. But it has missed the debt target, the accumulated | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
deficit over all of the years that we as a nation have borrowed | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
through our government as a share of GDP. It will not fall, as the | :13:57. | :14:04. | |
Chancellor predicted. It will not fall in 2014 or 2015, indeed it | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
will not fall until 2016/17. On tax and spending, this is where the | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
austerity gets extended. Fiscal consolidation will be extended to | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
2017/18. That is a fancy way of saying that the cuts continue. Not | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
for five years, as originally planned, not for seven as it | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
changed to, but for eight years. Departmental budgets, widely leaked, | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
this is what the Whitehall departments themselves spend. That | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
will be reduced by 1% next year, another 2% the year after that. It | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
releases money that the Government tends to spend on public investment. | :14:43. | :14:49. | |
A slight surprise, not entirely unexpected, corporation tax, the | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
tax companies pay on profits, or should pay on their profits, is now | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
cut to 21% in 20th April 14. The Chancellor has made a number of | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
cats. Indeed, our corporation tax, that will be as low as it gets | :15:04. | :15:12. | |
among the major corporations of the world. I think the OECD has a floor | :15:13. | :15:22. | |
:15:23. | :15:30. | ||
Given that inflation is likely to be more than 1%, at the moment it's | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
around 3, this means in real terms these benefits will fall. But it | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
doesn't affect the state pension. The state pension will continue to | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
rise roughly in line with inflation. Also, disability and care benefits | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
will also be upgraded in line with inflation. That's a big chunk out | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
of future increases in working-age welfare benefits, the Chancellor | :15:51. | :15:59. | |
has taken back. Now personal taxes. Personal income tax - the allowance | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
will rise by �235. This is the amount that you're allowed to earn | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
before you pay any tax at all. That will take place in April. It brings | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
it to around �9,440 that you'll be allowed to earn before you start to | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
pay the 20% tax. He's also putting up a little bit, 1%, the higher | :16:20. | :16:30. | |
rate. That's not the 45 or the 50, but the 40%. That's up by 1%. Still | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
less than the rate of inflation. If you're on that, you'll get a real | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
rise in taxes. The higher rate, which was widely thought to be | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
capped is now capped at 40,000. He also said too that the size of the | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
pension pot cue go for he's reducing from 1.5 million to 1.25 | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
million. It won't affect that many, but some. Now, fuel and energy. | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
This is where for a brief moment we could say that the Chancellor | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
turned into Santa. It was belief. Blink and you might have missed it. | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
He announced not only would the three pence rise in fuel duty be | :17:05. | :17:12. | |
cancelled in January. Not only postponed, but there are no plans | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
for a rise in the foreseeable future. He's announcing separately | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
a shale gas strategy. An attempt to get it out of the ground in Britain | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
like in the United States. He want to talk about tax incentives and a | :17:28. | :17:38. | |
new quango for this is the Office for Unconventional Gas. It would | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
have been simpler to call it the Office For Shale. There's a lot on | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
infrastructure spending here. has managed to find �5 billion by | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
cutting some current spending. Most Civil Servants will be laid off. | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
He's got �5 billion for extra capital investment in various | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
infrastructure, including some new roads and he says 100 new schools. | :18:00. | :18:07. | |
�1 billion to go on that, new schools and academies. That is a | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
summary of what the Chancellor has summary of what the Chancellor has | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
suggested so far let us see if we can just unpick this. Stephanie, I | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
come to you first. Have you managed, putting you on the spot, because | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
it's complicated, I saw three ways in which you can calculate the | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
deficit depending on what you include. Can you enlighten? We know | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
two things, which is sort of interesting. One, that he's | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
claiming that all the figures that he gave us are sort of independent | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
of the one-off factors that we knew about, that is the transfer of the | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
pension fund and the Royal Mail and the effect of this sort of switch | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
of the money that the Bank of England has been making on QE, so | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
we know in a sense that he's not being creative on that score. What | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
we are not so clear about is how borrowing is falling this year, | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
despite all of the expectations that it would rise and what is | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
particularly interesting to me, when you look at the figures - I | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
always say don't just look at the overall borrowing, but look at his | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
measure, the structural deficit, the hole he wanted to fill. | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
Everyone was expecting that on the basis of what we know about what | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
the office calculates these things, everyone was expecting that to go | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
up with this new forecast. It's down. What the interesting | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
implication of that is, is that they seem to be saying that the | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
growth we have lost this year maybe won't be lost permanently and | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
that's had a positive effect on all the future figures, so the point | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
where he doesn't need the extra year of austerity that he announced | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
today in order to meet that rule. That's what is strange. At the | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
moment this mosture looks like it will come into surplus the same | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
time we thought on the last figures, which is 2016/17. There's possibly | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
room for that year to be taken back, if you are thinking about making | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
plans for an election. He doesn't need that austerity on these | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
figures to meet his targets for deficit. Of course, we had that | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
admission that the debt stock was not going to fall in 2015. That | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
moment will be deferred another year and who knows what will happen | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
after that? The details of why borrowing is still falling I'm | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
afraid I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it. I don't blame it. | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
The risk for the Chancellor is he's been too clever by half. The | :20:23. | :20:30. | |
brightest people in the country will pour them and these people are | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
in this room. I just sail in behind them. They will pour over them. In | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
the City and in the think-tanks and the Labour Party and it may not | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
being as simple. We know it's not as simple as it seems. It could | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
unravel. Remember, borrowing figures are essentially a forecast | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
and the question of whether they exactly go up or go down is | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
politically psychologically, hugely important to the Chancellor, and | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
threw Ed Balls off his stride, it seems, but nickically a bit this | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
and that way is not what matters. The big picture remains. The | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
Chancellor said, "I told you I would get debt down by the end of | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
this Parliament before the election. I'm not going to do so. I told you | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
I would get the deficit sorted. The books balanced by the election. I'm | :21:17. | :21:24. | |
not going to do that. It will take another three years from the | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
original target." The core message remains bad, but it is intriguing, | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
Andrew, that despite all that, he looked confident, the Shadow | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
Chancellor was totally thrown off his side by the jeers of the other | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
side. The question is is that political calculation right? At its | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
core is this - George Osborne thinks that if the country believes | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
borrowing's the problem, the deficit hawks, whether they are | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
missing their own targets or not, are the people the country will | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
turn to. They won't turn to the Labour Party, who don't think | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
borrowing's the primary problem, but they think growth is the route | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
to get borrowing down. That's what he's banking on. Labour were | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
banking on today saying, "If you are even failing your own targets, | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
if you are even failing in your own terms, surely the country will then | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
say they've tried that and let's try something else?" Robert? What | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
is striking to me is that the big, in a sense, economic event in the | :22:26. | :22:33. | |
numbers is the 3.5 billion proceeds from selling the 3G spectrum. Sorry | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
4G. I must get the technology right on this. That is essentially the | :22:39. | :22:46. | |
sale of the airwaves to produce even faster smartphones and all | :22:46. | :22:54. | |
that. What's he done? Broadly, that pays for the deficit reduction, or | :22:54. | :23:00. | |
the debt reduction that he gets one year later. Indeed, the deficit | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
reduction. If you strip that out, he would have had to have made much, | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
much bigger cuts to public spending or put up taxes rather more. What | :23:12. | :23:18. | |
is quite interesting is if you look at the so-called total policy | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
decisions that the net effect of what he's done is, because the | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
money comes in, in this year, it looks like there's a tightening, | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
but in all the subsequent years he's more than spending what he's | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
getting in. Actually, the net effect in subsequent years of what | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
he's doing is to try to stimulate the economy. The interesting | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
question is whether or not that will have the effect of getting | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
growth going in the run-up to the general election. He's saying a | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
one-off lump will be spent in subsequent years and he hopes that | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
will generate growth as we get to 2015. The funny thing about this | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
3.5 billion that if we are not for the proceeds, which they are | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
putting in for this year, even though they haven't had the | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
auctions for the 4G spectrum, but borrowing - he's putting it in the | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
book - so borrowing would have risen maybe by a couple of billion | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
had he not put that for this year. However, as Robert says, he's | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
spending it in the next few years, which is what the Labour Party has | :24:21. | :24:27. | |
told him he should do, spending those on investment and growth. | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
Briefly, Labour had a huge windfall when it sold the last set | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
technologies, 3G and actually Labour used it to reduce the debt. | :24:36. | :24:43. | |
It didn't spend the proceeds, so it's quite interesting. The sun is | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
shining now! It is. The growth figures are interesting. The | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
country will decline by a small amount according to the OBR. It | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
says 1.2%. He doesn't know that. It could easily - it's within a margin | :25:01. | :25:11. | |
:25:11. | :25:13. | ||
of error that we could have another year of no growth. In a sense the | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
politics is based on forecasts from a bunch of guys who are independent, | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
but all their forecasts have been wrong. Every single year since the | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
election and what's more they are exueming bouncing back in | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
investment and they're -- assuming bouncing back in investments and | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
they're wrong. We are not talking about taking the temperature | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
outside, but we are talking about whether the forecasts suggest you | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
might be on course. Now, may economically may not be terribly | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
important, but politically it gives vital ballast to George Osborne | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
when he has a good bit of news, which for him is this figure. But | :25:52. | :25:58. | |
it also gives a ball loss to his opponents when by the forecasts he | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
getting it wrong on the deficit and debt. They've been changing their | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
view of the economy. They were initially felt to be in the first | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
couple of years they were felt to be quite optimistic about the | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
supply capacity of the economy. This crucial thing. Then last year | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
they very radically downgraded their estimates and increased them | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
again and they are much more optimistic than six months ago. I | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
don't think any economists had say anything had happened to justify | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
that change, but it's had a huge impact on the numbers. If the OBR's | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
right the Chancellor will not be in for a good year, because the | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
economy will go into decline. That's what the OBR is forecasting. | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
Back to Jo who is in the Potteries. Thank you. George Osborne may have | :26:42. | :26:48. | |
been limited on his spending power, but no expense is being spared here | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
at the Wedgwood factory as 22 carat-gold paste is being applied | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
to the plates. We'll find out whether businesses in the area are | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
feeling flush after hearing that Autumn Statement from the | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
Chancellor. I'm joined by three guests. Karen from the Federation | :27:04. | :27:12. | |
of Small Businesses, Mike from an estate agent and a member from the | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
CAB. We heard at the beginning that the economy is haling. Does it feel | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
like that on the -- healing. Does it feel like that for you on the | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
front line? I don't think is does. One of the biggest disappointments | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
that we have seen today is not being able to see any move forward | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
on the small business bank and actually the access to finance | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
issues. It's very, very difficult for small businesses in particular | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
to access affordable, reasonable finance. Even with the funding and | :27:38. | :27:45. | |
lending scheme in place, why aren't they giving out the money? Well, | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
people go to the banks, but they've restricted the criteria and they've | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
made it very difficult to finance. The one billion was announced in | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
the Liberal Democrats' conference earlier this year. That has been no | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
surprise. The surprise is there's been no move forward on the issues | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
that were discussed earlier this year. You are disappointed? Yes. | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
When it comes to housing and planning, the Government has said | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
time and again that that must be the drive for the economy. What is | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
actually stopping big building projects going ahead? Is it really | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
planning? It's part of it, but it's most encouraging that the | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
Government have said there's a clear focus on economic | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
regeneration in the planning system. That's being embraced by most local | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
authorities, but clearly it has to work through the system. One of the | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
big issues relates to smaller and medium-sized companies having the | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
right sort of finance available to allow them to invest in new plant | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
and machinery and property and we would welcome the new capital land | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
regime announced today. That will help. That will allow businesses to | :28:47. | :28:53. | |
invest up to �250,000 with 100% tax relief? Yes. Will some of your | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
projects start? It will help. It's part of an overall package that | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
needs to help generate more economic regeneration. Right. In | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
terms of fairness, we hear the Chancellor saying that time and | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
again that we are all in this together. How did you think it came | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
across to the sort of people you are talking to on a daily basey at | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
the CAB? I think we misunderstand the terms, "people on benefits." We | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
equate it to people out of work, but the vast majority are actually | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
in work if they're not of pension age. The growing poverty in this | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
country is the poverty of people in work. We are seeing people who own | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
their own homes using food banks. I would urge the Government to think | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
about protecting those on the lowest incomes in work by raising | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
the tariff that applies to benefits. Thank you to you all. We'll | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
probably speak to you in a bit. We want your reaction and I'm joined | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
now by Paul Lewis from BBC Radio 4's Money Box programme. Give us | :29:52. | :30:02. | |
:30:02. | :30:03. | ||
your headlines from what you got The interesting bit was the | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
increasing how much we can end without paying tax. We can actually | :30:07. | :30:13. | |
not pay any tax on an income up to �9,440. Slightly worse news for | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
those on higher incomes. The rate at which you pay higher rate tax is | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
coming down to �41,450. They will get some of the benefit of that, | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
but not all. On the business front, as you have been discussing, a rise | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
in capital allowances so that businesses can invest and unlock | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
the cash they have. It's very good news for businesses and people that | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
are self-employed. One of the things that got a big cheer when I | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
was sitting with the businesses was the cancellation of that three | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
pence duty on fuel? It has be postponed twice. To this Bonett a | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
third time would seem a bit silly. It's not just 3p, it is 3p and a | :30:51. | :30:58. | |
bit, plus about E. It's more like 3.6, maybe even 4p. That will not | :30:58. | :31:07. | |
happen again. It's good news for motorists and businesses, because | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
that's a big part of expenditure. You want people to e-mail with | :31:11. | :31:17. | |
questions? Could you read some of them that you have had? Yes, the | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
other big thing was the cut in the increase in welfare benefits from | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
April. This is jobseeker's allowance, but also employment and | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
support alliance, which often is seen as a disability benefit. Now | :31:29. | :31:36. | |
that is going to be raised by only 1%. Derek says, my wages have been | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
frozen for five years, why should I pay for increases for those in | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
welfare? He will be glad it is only a 1% rise. Michael in Londonderry | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
says that in my city, every new job is hard fought for with thousands | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
of applicants. Lots of people have no choice but to live on benefits. | :31:54. | :32:00. | |
That cut, or at least not raising it with inflation, is going to save | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
�1.5 billion per year by 2014/15. The fairness agenda is something | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
that George Osborne has focused on a lot? Fairness between people in | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
work and people out of work, that is how he sees it. More comments, | :32:14. | :32:24. | |
:32:24. | :32:28. | ||
please. E-mail, Twitter or send us We will be Backworth more business | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
reaction and more e-mails. -- back with. | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
We have been discussing the economic picture before we went to | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
join Jo. Before we get political reaction, a couple of things that | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
affect all of us as individuals. If you are paying income tax, there is | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
a small tax cut for you. The level at which you start to pay income | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
tax has been increased by a couple of hundred pounds. If you are on | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
benefits, working benefits, you are in for a 1% rise, not very much and | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
lower than the rate of inflation. Although it is a 1% rise, in real | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
terms, with rising prices, it probably means a cut. If you are a | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
higher in a, fewer pension perks, including the amount of money you | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
can put in tax free to your pension pot. Broadly, you are in a flat- | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
lining economy. It's going to go down a bit this year, says the OBR, | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
and only at a bit next year. Both within margins of error. Basically, | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
the economy is just going along the bottom. If you are a motorist or in | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
a haulage business, there will be no fuel duty rise. The price of | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
petrol, as far as tax is concerned, will stay the same. A few things | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
that affect you beyond the macro- economic picture and all of us as | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
individuals. Let's go back to Matthew on the famous College Green | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
outside the House of Commons. Let's discuss what we have heard | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
with a former Chancellor and a former party leader, Sir Mingus | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
Campbell. Lord Lawson is also with me. We were hoping that Alastair | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
Darling it was going to join us. Perhaps he will in the coming | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
minutes'. First of all, a snapshot of what you heard? It was like a | :34:11. | :34:21. | |
:34:21. | :34:22. | ||
budgie, wasn't it? -- Budget. The important thing is that he did the | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
right thing in terms of sticking to the budget deficit reduction plan, | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
sticking firmly to Plan A. That was the most important thing he has | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
done. He has had to take some uncomfortable positions in order to | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
do it, but it is the right thing to do. One other thing that I was glad | :34:37. | :34:44. | |
about, the go-ahead for gas in the UK. That is terribly important. One | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
piece of good news that we have at the present time. Your headline | :34:48. | :34:57. | |
thoughts? Very much like a Budget. As Nigel Lawson says, he has three | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
confirmed the commitment to plan a. The deficit and debt is not coming | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
down as fast as we like, but it is coming down. To say that we are not | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
going to implement the proposed increase in petrol tax for January, | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
we are going to help small businesses and we are going to | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
reduce corporation tax by 1%, these are things that cheer it up the | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
people sitting behind them. In contrast to some of the faces on | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
the opposition side. He said he was sticking to Plan A and you were | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
glad about that, but the bottom line is that austerity stretches | :35:30. | :35:37. | |
even further, not just to 2017, but on to 2018? Sadly, that is a | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
combination of the very difficult world we live in, notably the | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
eurozone crisis which has plunged the European Continent into | :35:47. | :35:56. | |
recession and disarray. But there are other problems as well. And | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
there is the terrible inheritance of the deficit, which is coming | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
down. We are making progress and the projections, not his | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
projections but the Independent Office of Budget Responsibility, | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
are for steady growth over the coming years. But the misery is | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
extended. Do you not think that part of the equation for that, you | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
talk about what is happening in the global economy, the eurozone, what | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
about the basic economic policy, that the cuts were simply too fast? | :36:25. | :36:30. | |
We are going ahead, the cut were not too fast at all. If you want to | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
do anything more to make more progress on the economy, you don't | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
want to do it by abandoning the budget deficit reduction plan. What | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
you want to do is to get banks' lending again. That is the key, | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
particularly to small and medium- size businesses. I hope that he is | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
working on that. This is not a budgetary measure, but I hope that | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
something would be coming forward on that front. You may not have | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
seen it, but part of the way through that statement we saw Nick | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
Clegg sitting behind the statement, shaking his head when George | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
Osborne went through the reasons why he was not going to have a new | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
band of council tax for very rich homes. That is not something I have | :37:11. | :37:19. | |
seen before. It is no secret that there was a division of opinion on | :37:19. | :37:25. | |
the decision... Whether it is a larger tax will not, the joint | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
decision was not to proceed. But what came out was that the economy | :37:29. | :37:35. | |
shrank by 6.3% in 2007. That was the inheritance. A much more | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
serious inheritance than was anticipated. Another quick thought | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
from you, how comfortable like you to see benefits raised by only 1% | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
for some of the poorest people in society? Are you comfortable with | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
that? I wish it was possible to raise them by much more. But all | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
public sector employees have been confined to an increase of 1%. | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
final question to you, Lord Lawson, on growth. We saw those figures | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
downgraded in the years ahead. Do you think there's enough of what | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
you heard, we heard from the British Chamber of Commerce, | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
talking about the blizzard of announcements, they said many of | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
those ended up being pie-in-the-sky. They want is to be tangible and now. | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
That has to go beyond rhetoric, to delivery? Well, look, if you could | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
just press a button and deliver growth, any Chancellor would do | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
that. But it's not like that. You have to be patient. The projections | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
from the Independent Office of Budget Responsibility are that we | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
will be steadily growing over coming years. I think we are on the | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
right track. Thanks very much for your time. More from me in a little | :38:43. | :38:50. | |
We and are joined by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
Alexander. Welcome to this Daily Politics special. The economy is | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
going to decline this year. It will decline in the 4th quarter, it will | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
barely rise at all next year. If you are on benefits, you will have | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
a real cut in the big standards. If you work in the public sector, you | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
will have a real cut as well. These are bad times? The these are tough | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
times for the country, absolutely right. This is an Autumn Statement | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
about the world as it is, not a world as we might have hoped it | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
would be when we started in office. What we are taking today is | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
decisions that recognise the fact that the period of fiscal restraint | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
has to carry on for longer. Those who have the most are contributing | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
the most of the next phase of deficit-reduction. We are using | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
some of the revenues we generate from that in the earlier years to | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
support the economy, create jobs, cut taxes in the short term for | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
businesses so they can get on with Investment. Crucially, through | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
reducing fuel duty and increasing the personal allowance, something | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
Liberal Democrats a campaign for for a long time, that we get more | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
money into the pockets of people that are working hard and | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
struggling to make ends meet. you are on benefits, your real | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
living standards will fall. If you work for the public sector, your | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
living standards will fall. It will serve it in Whitehall, you have a | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
pretty good chance of losing your job. Maybe not the poorest in | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
society, but some of those on ordinary incomes are suffering a | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
lot more than most. That is absolutely right. In fact, there is | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
an important piece of information in the Autumn Statement itself | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
which shows that since the financial crisis the incomes of | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
people in work have increased by about 10%. The income of people on | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
benefits over the same period had increased by 20%. In that context, | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
say to people, yes, you will get a raised this year and they year | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
Wrafter, but it will be under inflation, on top of decisions that | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
make the wealthy pay more tax, on top of clampdowns on tax avoidance, | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
it is part of a package to answer the question of how we sort out the | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
country's finances. We inherited a mess from the previous government, | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
and if we fail to sort that out the problems will be much worse. | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
have made the issue of borrowing so complicated now that none of us can | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
follow it properly. I am sure that the is intentional. But we have | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
managed to unravel... Not in the least. The Office of Budget | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
Responsibility presented the figures very clearly, with or | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
without the transfer of the coupons and the asset purchase facilities, | :41:22. | :41:29. | |
with and without... This OBR is to your government what the iron dome | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
is for Israel! You hide under everything from it. Can I make a | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
serious point? We have created the OBR as an independent body so that | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
we do not, as politicians, have a chance to skew the figures. We have | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
an independent body which tells us, as they see it, how the economy is. | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
I'm prepared to accept their numbers and the analysis behind it. | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
If you take off the distortions and one-offs, the Royal Mail, the banks, | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
taking back the money that you have paid as a government to the Bank of | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
England in interest, you take that back and put it on your own books, | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
in this current year your borrowing will be 120 billion. Just a little | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
bit upon what you said in March. But the way you present it, it is a | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
huge fall? The borrowing is falling on any of the measures that the OBR | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
presented. In their report, though analysts will see that it has been | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
presented with and without all of these factors are so that it is | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
transparently available. The OBR, the central forecast, it is that | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
borrowing will fall this year compared to last year. It will fall | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
next year, the year after. I am quite happy to admit that the | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
borrowing is not falling as fast as we wanted where we started out. | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
Because they say the economy is in a worse situation because of what | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
is going on in the year rose and... It's not falling at all this year, | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
if you strip out the factors. Last year you borrowed 120 billion. This | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
year, your borrowing 120 billion. It is the same. So your borrowing | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
is not falling? When you strip out the Asset Purchase Facility and so | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
on, I think it is falling by �1.5 billion this year, compared to last. | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
You put a lot of emphasis on infrastructure programmes in this | :43:12. | :43:19. | |
budget. Since you came to power, you have announced 18 new major | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
road schemes. How many have started? I don't know the precise | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
answer of the top of my head. I know quite a few have started. I | :43:26. | :43:35. | |
was down in Bristol, seeing the M 5, I was down in Torbay seeing the | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
bypass being built. Yes, some of these were under way before you | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
came to power. These are things that we have announced as a | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
government. Well, our evidence is that almost no major new road | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
schemes have started. I don't agree with that. In the last Autumn | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
Statement, you said that you would leverage 21 billion of new private | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
sector investment into public- sector investment. How much have | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
you leverage? Well, we have a national infrastructure plan, | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
dinners or an update published today which sets out in detail... | :44:07. | :44:14. | |
How much? Let me just finish the answer. Once we have announced in | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
the last few months the new infrastructure projects, pension | :44:19. | :44:28. | |
funds have put �2 billion into the pensions infrastructure platform. | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
We announce today an extra �5 billion of government money. | :44:31. | :44:40. | |
Actually, the Government investment into its infrastructure is a | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
greater share of the economy than it was in Labour's time in office. | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
That might be CRU, an interesting answer, but he doesn't answer the | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
question I asked. Of the �21 billion new private sector | :44:51. | :45:00. | |
investment... Are I don't know the It is when the money hits the | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
ground that people want to know. Our understanding is that of the 21 | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
billion, so far you only have a commitment for 700 million. And | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
it's not been spent? I have no idea what those figures refer to, I | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
would happily look at them after the show. Of the �5 billion you | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
have added on to this, is it true that only 700 million of that will | :45:23. | :45:31. | |
be spent in the current financial It will almost be spent starting | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
next April and the April after. We have an investment programme in new | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
college building and new school building, in some new road schemes | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
and maintenance, which is crucially important to communities all around | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
the country. These are schemes that can get under way to create jobs | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
and we crucially raise the quality of infrastructure. Dueshing the | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
last Government's time in office we -- during the last Government's | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
time in office we fell in the league tables in infrastructure. | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
That's why we are increasing the amount of money in infrastructure. | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
Why is house building falling? You are always talking about that and | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
the way of getting growth into the economy. Because of lack of demand | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
for mortgages and because of the problems in the banking system that | :46:15. | :46:21. | |
we're trying to address through the scheme. So people can get mortgages | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
easier. It's falling for a whole range. Will it continue to fall? | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
I'm not sure what the OBR forecasts on that. I'm not going to offer a | :46:28. | :46:34. | |
forecast. You should have a hotline to them, so you know what to say. | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
Government investment in house building is increasing. Part of the | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
package announced to is new money to unblock sites and to bring in | :46:42. | :46:47. | |
tens of thousands of more housing starts over the next two years, so | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
part of house building that is supported by the Government will | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
see a big increase over the next few years. The Chancellor announced | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
some tough and deep spending cuts today, but as I understand it, | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
there's another �10 billion of cuts for you to find in the spending | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
round that you'll be doing? That's right. In the first half of next | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
year I'll be carrying out a public spending round to find an extra �10 | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
billion of savings from unpected departments to maintain the | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
protections that were put in place through the Parliament in terms of | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
increasing health spending and school spending and meeting our | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
overseas aid commitment. I'll be sitting down over the next few | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
months to work out where they can be found. People might see the pain | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
today, taxes up and spending down and think that's bad, but it's far | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
from it. There are a lot of other cuts may be programmes not just | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
bureaucrats. Perhaps squeezes on working people's benefits not just | :47:43. | :47:49. | |
the unemployed still to come? are. We have to fill out all the | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
details of what Government will spend on what. It's in a year when | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
this Government will be in power for the first two weeks and we have | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
to do it, oh that means asking questions of departments. I'm | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
committed to making sure in doing that we focus on protecting | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
spending that is good for the economy and that supports economic | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
growth, but you are quite right, there will be a lot more tough | :48:10. | :48:18. | |
choices down the track. If the Government has set enormous store | :48:18. | :48:25. | |
by the AAA credit rating, most nan lists expect you to lose that in | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
the first few months of the year, because of the deterioration in | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
growth, which has been confirmed today and the worsening in | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
borrowing, which has been confirmed today. How serious an embarrassment | :48:39. | :48:44. | |
to you will that be if you lose AAA? Thear not the be all and end | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
all. What matters -- they are not the be all and end all. What | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
matters to me is we have a fiscal plan to ensure the markets can have | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
confidence in us. This is a country that can pay its way in the world | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
because we can keep our interest rates as low as they are. One of | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
the things today is information about what the impact would be of a | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
rise in interest rates. 1% in mortgages would cost �12 billion a | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
year, and that's why we place heavy emphasis on maintaining the | :49:14. | :49:15. | |
credibility. You would distance yourself from the Prime Minister | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
and Chancellor who boasted about that AAA? I wouldn't at all, but | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
what lies behind that is not an obsession with ratings, but making | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
sure that the country continues to have a strong and credible fiscal | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
policy, which we maintained very strongly and sticking to the road | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
we started out on, through the decisions in the statement today. | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
If the economy fails to recover in the way that you hope, do you think | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
that the Liberal Democrats and the Tories can hold together in terms | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
of the future path of economic policy I've absolutely no doubt | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
that we will, because we have set out on this task together and it is | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
what caused the coalition to be formed to sort out the country's | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
problems to clean up the mess that Labour left. Yes, it is taking | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
longer and because of the problems in the eurozone and around the | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
world, growth is slower than we would have hoped for, but we're on | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
the right road and making progress and I think that the best thing for | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
this country, speaks as a Liberal Democrat and I'm sure George would | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
say as a Conservative, is to stick to the road. Before you go, you do | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
have to rush, I'm told, is that right? I'm happy to answer some | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
more questions. I can't think of anything more important than being | :50:25. | :50:32. | |
on The Daily Politics. I always enjoy this. Stephanie can ask a few | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
questions. Did you get enough out of the Tories for this? You are | :50:34. | :50:40. | |
going to have to put up with real cuts in welfare payments and | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
continued freezes in public-sector pay effectively. You didn't get a | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
mansion tax or higher council tax bands. All you've got is the | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
inability of well-off people to put more into their pension funds than | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
they would have done. There's not much there? The most important | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
things about the details in the statement today is it's balanced. | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
It's asking as much from the wealthy in terms of tax increases | :51:03. | :51:08. | |
as much as it is asking from the welfare rates that we talked about | :51:08. | :51:13. | |
earlier and re-investing money back into helping people on middle and | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
lower incomes, to a further increase in the tax allowances. You | :51:16. | :51:21. | |
know the number one policy in the 2010 manifesto that I wrote, was to | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
lift the income tax threshold to �10,000. We are only a short hop | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
away. As a result, from next April, working people will have an extra | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
�50 a month in their pockets, thanks to the decisions the | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
Government has made in delivering that policy. It's a balanced | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
package, but most importantly, it's a package that keeps the country on | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
the right track economically. was interesting to me that the | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
Chancellor didn't mention his target measure of borrowing in the | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
speech and of course, spectical as I am, I thought maybe that means | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
that the story's not very good, but it's interesting to me that | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
actually the story is better than it was even six months ago and much | :51:58. | :52:05. | |
better than anyone expected the OBR to give. It hasn't actually meant - | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
I'm a bit surprised if you are balancing your target measure of | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
the deficit in the same year that you were before, in 2016/17, why do | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
you need the extra year of austerity in 2017? Is that | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
something that will be taken away before the election? No, it's a | :52:19. | :52:25. | |
good yes. -- question. It goes back to what Andrew was talking about. | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
The OBR said and George said that we meet the fiscal mandate over the | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
five-year period. With the asset purchase facility coupons, as you | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
were saying, it's in 16/17 and without it it takes another year | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
and it's right for us to plan on the basis that we are going to need | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
to continue to take further difficult decisions, particularly | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
to ensure that we hit the target and also to ensure that we get the | :52:46. | :52:52. | |
debt falling, because in the end we are going to be spending �60 | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
billion by debt interest repayments and we need to make sure it comes | :52:57. | :53:04. | |
down. The savings on the benefits, those that you are making that are | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
quite significant the year after next, are most of those coming from | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
people who are out of work or from the change in the uprating of all | :53:11. | :53:19. | |
the people who are in work, but who get working tax credits? It's a 1% | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
uprating policy across the policy. Most of the savings won't be from | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
the people behind the blinds and the scroungers that the Chancellor | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
talks about? It comes from both groups. I would also say to you | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
that the people in work will be the most substantial beneficiaries of | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
the increase in the income tax personal allowance. Those people | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
will be gaining significantly in terms of paying less tax, albeit | :53:41. | :53:48. | |
that the benefits and tax credits they receive will go up by less. | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
Nick, just one question on that. You said that the amount gotten | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
from the rich, as it were, is the same from the poor. I get this as | :53:58. | :54:03. | |
3.5 billion is raised from curbing benefits. But the only tax rise I | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
can see on individuals, as against on banks for example, as against | :54:07. | :54:13. | |
tax avoidance and so on, actually someone says, "I will now pay more | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
tax." That is that pensions tax relief which raises much, much less | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
than 3.5 billion? The pensions measure raises around �1 billion a | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
year. Not uprating the higher rate, which affects not the wealthy, but | :54:29. | :54:36. | |
the better off, it raises another �1 billion. In 15/16 we get another | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
�1 billion from the yield from the Swiss deal, which is money that is | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
hidden overseas by wealthy people in the country who thought they | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
would get away without paying tax. They may saying getting money out | :54:47. | :54:52. | |
of us that has been hidden is not in any sense equalised by taking | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
money away from people who depending on welfare. It's your job | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
anyway. Getting this money if from people who thought they could hide | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
their money from the British tax system is a very, very good thing. | :55:04. | :55:10. | |
It's a one-off. It is spread over a number of years. We also have a | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
number of avoidance policies which don't feature on the score card at | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
this time, about the extra investment we are putting into HMRC | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
which will raise a further �2 billion by the end of the | :55:23. | :55:29. | |
Parliament. There is a lot going on to make sure that everyone pays | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
their way. If you look at the distribution analysis you will see | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
all that set out in some detail. Thank you very much for giving us | :55:36. | :55:42. | |
more time than you were allocated. Though not more than you deserved. | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
I'm glad you went to see the by pass being built because it was | :55:46. | :55:55. | |
first proposed more than 50 years ago. INAUDIBLE. As I said that, I | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
just thought that's what he's going to say! We'll just see houpbgz it | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
takes you to finish -- how long it takes you to finish. Back to | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
Matthew on The Green. Thank you. We heard from the Conservatives and | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
the Liberal Democrats. We'll hear from Labour and speak to Chris | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
Leslie, Shadow Treasury Minister. Thank you very much for being here. | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
What did you make of what you heard from the Chancellor? I think the | :56:20. | :56:27. | |
difficulties that we have seen in terms of the economy in 2012 have | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
caused real problems with borrowing and with debt. We have seen more | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
revised borrowing figures getting worse and worse and we have seen | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
the debt figures looking very, very bad indeed. It turns out, and we | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
have had a chance in the last 30 minutes to look through the details | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
of it, that the Chancellor can only claim that his borrowing figures | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
look reasonably better because he's pencilled in the proceeds from the | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
sale of the 4G spectrum auction, even though the proceeds for that | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
haven't yet been realised. There are some questions now about the | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
way in which the Chancellor is presenting the borrowing statistics, | :57:04. | :57:11. | |
putting into the public finances 3. 5 billion of revenue which have not | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
materialised. Targets aside, but most people's daily lives are the | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
most important thing, petrol, that was good news, wasn't it? We were | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
calling for a freeze in that. Of course, it's gone up by three pence | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
because of the VAT increases. Don't forget, anybody filling their tank | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
won't be seeing prices coming down, but they won't be going up at fast. | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
Of course it's welcome. When we voted on it, the Government voted | :57:35. | :57:40. | |
against that, so I'm not sure they won't make that announcement then. | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
Schools and science and transports - �5 billion? We'll see where they | :57:44. | :57:48. | |
are getting the money from. There is the issue of giving to Peter and | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
taking from Paul. They took �3 billion out of the schools' | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
infrastructure budget when they were elected. Putting one billion | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
back if doesn't make up that gap. All the things that potentially | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
people will welcome, you respond to in a Qual tide way. Where would you | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
get opinion from? There isn't mathying money out there? I think | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
what you have to do is look at the priorities. We wouldn't give �3 | :58:12. | :58:17. | |
billion away to the wealthiest in society, the millionaires who will | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
get a tax cut in April and spend �3 billion reorganising the National | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
Health Service. There has to be pay restraint, but there are other | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
choices. We should have a reduction in the EU budget, but the key thing | :58:28. | :58:33. | |
we have to come back to is growth. Unless you recognise that a healthy | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
economy drives the health of public finances you'll never solve this | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
and we have seen the Chancellor yet again kicking the can further down | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
the road, and not dealing with the fundamental issues and breaking his | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
promise to balance the books by 2015. We heard the Chancellor | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
challenge you and others. He said people who don't want to cut | :58:52. | :58:57. | |
spending they have to raise the taxes or the debt or both and | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
that's your exclusion to spend more? I think there are key | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
critical developments that need to be made now to stimulate growth and | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
get confidence back. If we can continue, as the Chancellor himself | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
had to admit, having a shrinking economy, so the economy actually | :59:13. | :59:17. | |
gets smaller in 2012, then there's no wonder the public finances | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
continue to deteriorate. How many more years will very to say to the | :59:21. | :59:23. | |
Chancellor focus on growth and think about the health of the | :59:23. | :59:26. | |
economy and the public finance issues will flow from that? Thank | :59:26. | :59:36. | |
:59:36. | :59:37. | ||
you very much. Andrew, back to you. We are not the only people in this | :59:37. | :59:42. | |
town doing some number cinching. They're doing it in the Sit -- | :59:42. | :59:49. | |
crunching. They're doing it in the City. Over now to Susannah Streeter | :59:49. | :59:58. | |
in the City. There's a sense of relief following the Chancellor's | :59:58. | :00:02. | |
statement. Relief that the UK is still on that path to austerity. | :00:02. | :00:09. | |
There were concerns that the bond market could plummet really, but in | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
fact gilts, UK Government debts have risen, which many say is good | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
news for future borrowing for UK plc, but there's not been much | :00:20. | :00:30. | |
:00:30. | :00:32. | ||
Let's talk to Mike Ingram, a market watcher. Tell me what you took from | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
the statement, as far as trying to restore growth in UK PLC? Given the | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
very limited room for manoeuvre that George Osborne had, and we all | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
know that the numbers are extremely tight, I think he did a reasonably | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
good job. He stuck to the principle of trying to read direct revenues, | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
expenditure, away from current expenditure, away from overhead, | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
into capital expenditure, spending that might see some sort of return | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
in terms of developing businesses and support for the all-important | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
SMEs. There was that announcement as well, a big increase in relief | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
for capital expenditure. How much will that impact the small-to- | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
medium businesses that are the lifeblood of the economy? I think | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
it to be very significant indeed. As George Osborne pointed out, that | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
includes 90% of corporates in the UK. Having his 100% tax relief, | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
:01:36. | :01:36. | ||
from 25,000, up to 250,000, its a big boost. We heard about that �5 | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
billion fund for capital expenditure round things like new | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
homes, for example, what impact will that have on growth in the | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
long term? Andrew Smith is chief economist at KPMG. What to do take | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
on the statement? Did you think there was anything that would help | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
the economy return to growth and health? There are bits and pieces. | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
The Chancellor has been tried to combine deficit-reduction with | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
economic recovery. He's not actually getting much of either, as | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
he had to admit. He tended by low growth and, on the other side, by | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
his fiscal rules. There will be a small alleviation, but at the end | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
of the day we are looking at a multi year fiscal contraction, | :02:19. | :02:26. | |
which is going on to 2080 now. Thank you very much. More from you | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
a little bit later. You can see it is still a very tough tightrope | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
that the Chancellor is walking. So far, from the city, a cautious | :02:35. | :02:45. | |
:02:45. | :02:46. | ||
You are watching live coverage and analysis of the Chancellor's Autumn | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
Statement on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel. If you have just | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
joined us, let's bring you have to date with a couple of the key | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
points from George Osborne's statement. Let's begin with the | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
forecast, not his forecast, but the forecast of the Independent Office | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
for Budget Responsibility. It is now saying the economy will shrink, | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
not by much, but certainly no signs of growth. Nothing like the third | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
quarter, where we had growth of about 1%. Next year, not much | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
better. The Government is on course to get its structural deficit down. | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
But it is taking longer to do that. It's not on course to get net debt, | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
the accumulation of all of the deficits that we'd have racked up | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
over the years, called the national debt, that is not going to fall as | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
a share of our national wealth until some time after 2016. That's | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
a target that the Chancellor didn't make. What about taxes? Any joy | :03:43. | :03:52. | |
there? Income tax, the personal allowance rises to 900 and -- | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
�9,440. You don't start paying tax until you ironing that amount of | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
money. For those on higher incomes, the 40% tax threshold is rising by | :04:01. | :04:11. | |
1% in both 2014/15 and 2015/16. In real terms, you will be paying more. | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
If you run a business, corporation tax is down, the Chancellor has | :04:14. | :04:23. | |
made many cuts to corporation tax. Other measures, if you are wrong | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
working-age benefits, such as jobseeker's allowance, your | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
increases over the next three years will be capped at 1%. Again, that | :04:32. | :04:39. | |
is less than the rate of inflation. However, if you are a motorist, the | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
three pence rise in fuel duty is coming through in January, it has | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
not just been postponed, it has been scrapped altogether says the | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
Chancellor. If you are a civil servant working in Whitehall, | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
departmental budgets are going to be cut by 1% next year and another | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
2% the year after that. That on top of the 17% cuts already laid down | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
in previous Chancellor statements and budgets. It is likely, | :05:04. | :05:10. | |
therefore, to mean some redundancies. | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
Let's get some more political reaction and talk to Angus | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
Robertson for the SNP and Elfyn Llwyd from Plaid Cymru. They are in | :05:19. | :05:26. | |
the Central Lobby. Angus Robertson, or public spending, more public | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
investment, Scotland will get its share, what are you going to spend | :05:30. | :05:38. | |
it on? First off, it's important to note that the growth forecasts are | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
as problematic as they are. It's a problem in Scotland and Wales, the | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
whole of the airship kingdom. It's a real cause for concern. -- United | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
Kingdom. Capital projects coming on line, those are shove already | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
projects that the Scottish government have had ready to start | :05:54. | :06:01. | |
immediately. About half of those projects will be returned to | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
Scotland. I'm not sure if you have reported that North Sea oil | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
receipts will contribute �10 billion in the next financial year. | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
Scotland is contributing significantly to the UK. You would | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
not expect me to overlook the comparison that we would be able to | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
make far better decisions in Scotland around the budget, given | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
that Scotland is in a better budgetary situation than the UK. | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
That is the great advantage of an independent vote in 2014, when we | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
can secured the decision-making powers of Scotland to make them | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
closer to home, rather than having a Tory government we did not elect | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
making bad decisions. I expected you to get to that point, in spite | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
of my question being about something else! The Government, or | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
the Prime Minister in Prime Minister's Questions, pointed out | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
that the money in the health service in Wales is being cut. Will | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
you have a chance to increase that with money coming your way from the | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
overall spending settlement? depends what the Labour government | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
decide to do. Their priorities clearly are not in the area of | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
health, which she would have thought would have been a priority. | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
That is the first point. We have campaigned for a long time for | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
borrowing powers for borrowing powers for the Welsh government. | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
That has been welcomed by the Silk Commission. No mention of it today, | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
but we need those powers to kick- start the economy and make sure | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
that capital projects within health, with their many public service, are | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
brought forwards. Clearly, they are not at the moment. I'm disappointed | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
with the general thrust of today's announcements. As Angus said, his | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
figures, are they dependable? I'm not sure if they are. In 2010, he | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
was talking of a growth rate of 2.8%. This year we are talking | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
about 0.1%. In fact, his 5 billion towards closing the gap, as it were, | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
is going to be negligible in terms of effect, according to the IFS. | :07:59. | :08:06. | |
Ernst and Young say that in order to increase GDP by 0.5% per annum, | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
you actually need �14 billion per annum invested. It is really going | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
to be negligible. It is more austerity. Incidentally, hitting | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
the ball, the easy targets. I don't know if people realise, it's clever | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
sleight of hand. -- hitting the poor. Benefits were going to go up | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
by RPI, then they were switched to CPI, now it is in accordance with | :08:28. | :08:34. | |
average wages, lower again. I think that is awful. It shows that the | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
Tory party are still the nasty party, here they are at work. | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
they're not even going to be going up in line with wages, less than | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
that. Time now to say goodbye to viewers | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
in Scotland. Goodbye. They are going to join Andrew Kerr for | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
politics Scotland. We can now talk to Alan Moreton | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
Island business editor Jim Fitzpatrick, outside Stormont. -- | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
Alan Northern Ireland business editor. How is it going down there? | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
Cringing the figures, it looks like Northern Ireland is actually a win | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
out of this one. The public spending is the economy in Northern | :09:15. | :09:21. | |
Ireland. It accounts for 70% of our economy. We rely on �10.5 billion | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
from Westminster to keep this place ticking over, that is the amount we | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
take, as opposed to what we get back. How it turns out to date is | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
that we will see an increase of capital spending over the next | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
couple of years of �131 million. We will see a decrease in resource | :09:37. | :09:46. | |
spending of �32 million. Pretty much a gain of almost �100 million | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
for Stormont to spend on infrastructure. That will, of | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
course, be welcomed. Something else that has been sneaked in, which | :09:54. | :10:02. | |
might be of interest of those that followed the energy industry. The | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
carbon floor tax, Northern Ireland is going to be exempt from that. | :10:07. | :10:14. | |
The argument is that we are an island, it would put generators in | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
Northern Ireland and it's an advantage compared to the republic. | :10:16. | :10:26. | |
That has been sneaked in and it Just looking at the growth figures, | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
the OBR, the official growth forecast of just over 1%, 1.2% for | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
next year, up to 2% for 2014. Just two point out that the OBR is still | :10:38. | :10:44. | |
more optimistic on growth than the average of independent forecasters. | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
They don't even think the economy is going to grow by as much as the | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
OBR. As we were saying, the record of the OBR has been that it has | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
been far too optimistic. I wouldn't bet the bank on these forecasts. Jo | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
is with Paul Lewis in Stoke-on- Trent. | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
Yes, George Osborne, the Chancellor, has painted a pretty tough picture | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
with more gloomy times ahead. As far as he is concerned, he's got to | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
try to find and generate that elusive problem of more growth in | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
the economy. Let's talk to Paul Lewis from BBC Radio Four's | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
Moneybox programme. Was there anything in a statement that said | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
you are that this will generate growth? The big thing was the | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
increase in capital allowances for businesses. You can spend �25,000 | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
and write it off in the first year. It's going to be �250,000, a | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
tenfold increase. The businesses I have spoken to say it is a very | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
good thing. They can spend money, it will boost the economy and they | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
can get full tax relief. Do you think it will be enough? Big | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
corporations are sitting on, they admit, quite a lot of cash they | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
don't want to invest? I think it will help smaller businesses more | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
than big ones. What big business needs is the feeling that if they | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
start investing the economy is going to grow. As we have seen, the | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
Chancellor says it has actually shrunk for the whole of 2012. | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
really that optimistic in terms of what people can expect? What have | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
people been sending you e-mails about? Edward in Oxford is in | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
business and he said he would have liked a national insurance holiday | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
so he could take on new staff about the expense of national insurance. | :12:28. | :12:34. | |
That hasn't happened. We certainly have people liking to cut... Sorry, | :12:34. | :12:42. | |
not the cut, they're not been a rise in fuel duty. That's gone | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
altogether. That's important for people in rural areas. Also for | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
businesses that rely on fuel. Everything we have in our homes has | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
been delivered by road somewhere. That is a big saving and could help | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
business a lot. On the personal side, a rise in tax allowance in | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
April from what we were expecting by another remand, �9,440 before we | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
pay tax. That will put a bit of cheer back in people who face pay | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
cuts and pay freezes. Let's get local reaction and talk | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
to our guests who come from across the region. I am joined by Barry | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
Proctor, who runs a haulage company. Julie White owns a concrete cutting | :13:23. | :13:33. | |
:13:33. | :13:34. | ||
company. Mike Benniston is a pub landlord. That 3p rise in fuel duty | :13:34. | :13:40. | |
not happening, will that have an effect? It really pleased, I would | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
like to thank the lobbying from fair pay on fuel. Also welcome news | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
is the Investment allowance. Will you take advantage, or other | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
companies? We will take advantage, yes. What about the state of the | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
construction industry? That's my biggest concern. We are heavily | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
involved in the construction industry. My major customer | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
operates nine Brickworks in the UK. At this moment there is not a | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
single works producing a brick. Any improvement in house building would | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
be very welcome. There was nothing in the Autumn Statement that would | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
inspire you to think that would happen? A little bit, but not much. | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
What is your biggest concern? the infrastructure. They have been | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
talking about it, I think it is �33 billion they are talking about | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
comedy at the structure they are putting into roads, housing and | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
schools. But nothing is happening. We really need a push. We need to | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
actually get the sites ready and going. It takes six months, nearly, | :14:41. | :14:48. | |
to tender and then get to start. When the Chancellor says we are | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
releasing this money to go to capital investment and | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
infrastructure, we are talking about at least another six months? | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
Even from now to them. So we need more time. The other thing is no | :14:58. | :15:05. | |
apprentices. They didn't mention anything at apprentices. We have | :15:05. | :15:11. | |
companies like Wedgwood, why can't we get a national insurance holiday | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
for every employee we hired? It would be great for small businesses | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
and young people. For you and your business, I presume the idea of | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
what they call fiscal consolidation, more austerity until 2018, what | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
will that do to your spending power of your customers? It will give | :15:29. | :15:35. | |
them less money in an industry that is already depreciating on an | :15:35. | :15:45. | |
:15:45. | :15:47. | ||
average of about 12 pubs week now closing. The thought of a third -- | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
further five years of less money in people's pockets, it has an adverse | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
effect on our business because people have not got the money in | :15:56. | :16:06. | |
:16:06. | :16:08. | ||
their pockets. If they have got the We have to diversify. From our | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
original business, we are diversifying in different ways. We | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
have put in planning permission to open a village shop, as part of a | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
community-based project. So, our original business is developing | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
into other areas. In terms of diversification, have you had to | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
lay any one-off? Not yet, but at the moment, I have got a third of | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
my fleet doing traction only. Coming up to Christmas, the food | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
chain gets very busy, so we have got a third of the fleet doing | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
traction, delivering to supermarkets and things like that. | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
We are hoping that in January, things will pick up, and we will | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
have them back on the bricks. There needs to be an awful improvement in | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
house building. I do not understand, with the amount of money we are | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
paying out at the moment in housing benefit, but we are not building | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
more houses for these people, rather than lining the pockets of | :17:05. | :17:11. | |
very wealthy landlords. As far as staff are concerned, the Chancellor | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
said that employment has been a better picture than had been | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
thought - do you agree with that, or are people doing Les hours, is | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
that how you have managed to keep hold of people? Well, we have | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
diversified. I have bought a company, and we have started two | :17:32. | :17:38. | |
new technologies, within the area of cutting. But it is tough. Thank | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
you very much to all of you. We will be coming back to the Wedgwood | :17:43. | :17:53. | |
:17:53. | :17:55. | ||
factory in the next hour or so. We are joined now by Paul Johnson, | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
from the Institute for Fiscal Studies, something of a default | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
think tank at moments like this! We went into this with the following | :18:02. | :18:10. | |
deficit figures - we had a deficit of �121 billion in 2011 / 12. We | :18:10. | :18:19. | |
were then forecast �120 billion for this current year, then �90 billion | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
in 2013, and �75 billion in 2014/15, so it was going down, but not | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
dramatically. What has happened? The good news is that the budget | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
deficit this year does not look like it will be any worse than it | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
was forecast to be back in March. That is partly because the | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
Government is expecting departments to underspend, partly because tax | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
revenues are holding up reasonably well, and partly because they are | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
getting some extra money from selling 4G licences. Going forward, | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
it looks rather worse. Three or four years out, it looks like the | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
deficit will be �30 billion or so more. That is a big problem. What | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
is causing that? Lack of economic growth, that is all. It is much | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
lower than it was expected to become a back in March. Lower | :19:06. | :19:15. | |
growth, higher borrowing. That is it. Never mind the forecasts, the | :19:15. | :19:22. | |
borrowing for the first seven months of this financial year, 2012 | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
/ 13, is more than the last financial year, leading many people | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
to predict that borrowing this year would be substantially higher than | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
last year - what happened to that? Just one week ago, we were | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
expecting that borrowing would be more this year than last. I did not | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
want to mention that it was you! Three things seem to have happened. | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
First of all, the Office for Budget Responsibility is being relatively | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
optimistic for tax receipts. Secondly, department will spending | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
seems to be coming in even lower than had been expected. Secondly -- | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
thirdly, there is this one off �3.5 billion, from the 4G auction. So, | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
he has got three things which are going towards making that number. | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
But in some of the figures I have seen, this year's deficit was going | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
to be about the same as last year's, and you still think that is where | :20:19. | :20:25. | |
we are? He is saying the deficit will be �108 billion this year?! Is | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
that jiggery-pokery? We have all sorts of different numbers. That is | :20:31. | :20:37. | |
why he has confused us to! The one he quoted, the �108 billion, I | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
think included the transfer of money from the Bank of England. The | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
comparable number is �120 billion. Essentially he is saying that | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
borrowing this year will be near as damn it the same as last year. | :20:49. | :20:58. | |
it is not really deficit-reduction? It is certainly not much of one. | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
is interesting that it does seem to make quite a big difference to the | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
structural picture. I was very optimistic initially looking at | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
these figures, but then I realised there wasn't yet another * But I | :21:11. | :21:18. | |
should have followed, to get another shot, -- to yet another | :21:18. | :21:26. | |
chart, to take account of these transfers from the Bank of England. | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
Is it right, is it actually a long- term improvement, that the | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
Chancellor has actually been help - - helped by the Bank of England's | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
decision to buy all of this debt to help the economy? Well, if it has | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
had a good effect on the economy, which it was intended to do, then | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
it will have that effect. It has made it cheaper to borrow was well. | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
He is getting the interest back that he was given to the Bank of | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
England. The overall story is of a structural deficit which is bigger | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
than was inspected in March, so there is some help, but it is not | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
taking us out of a hole. Can you just explain to people watching | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
this programme, who have to pay their credit card bills and balance | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
their accounts every week and every month, a system whereby the | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
Treasury cells and are set to the Bank of England, called gilts, and | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
it pays interest on that, and that interest goes into the Bank of | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
England's balance sheet as income, and then, after a while, the | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
Treasury says, give us that income back, we wanted on our balance | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
sheet! If any individual did that, you would end up in jail? It is a | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
strange but of accounting, but it does not change anything real.. | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
is using it to change the figures are! Unfortunately in his speech he | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
used figures which included those numbers. But in the main | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
documentation, you can see the numbers without that. It is not | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
changing anything. We are still going through. Do not go away. We | :23:02. | :23:09. | |
have got a lot more to ask you. I must try the idea of paying | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
interest and then asking for it back with my own bank account! | :23:13. | :23:20. | |
Stefani, thanks for being with us. I have got to go to the Office for | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
Budget Responsibility, to see how they explain it all. You will be | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
there all night! Let's see what some members of Her Majesty's press | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
have got to say about this. We can go back to Matthew, on College | :23:32. | :23:40. | |
green. I am sure he will be able to do a Leveson-compliant interview! | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
Yes, we have got Polly Toynbee, from The Guardian, as well as | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
journalists from the Economist macro and from the Evening Standard. | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
What have you made of it? It is very grim, worse than we might have | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
thought. All the forecasts turn out to have been wrong, yet again. Time | :23:57. | :24:04. | |
and time again, the OBR seems to get it spectacularly wrong. Away | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
the pain has been shared has been yet again singularly unfair. Four | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
times more taken from the poorest tenth than from the richest. | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
think he was trying to do two things with this statement. First | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
of all, he has been trying to get a quality of suffering theme going, | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
so you will find the tax thresholds have changed, so that over the next | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
three years, if you were any more, you will certainly be contributing | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
more. I think what he is trying to do, squeezing benefits at the other | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
end, he wants people to have every possible reason to going to work. | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
So yes, it is tough, on that account. In terms of real lives, | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
what he wants to do is to say, I am going to be easing off on petrol, | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
but at the same time, it is hard, targets are not being met at the | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
moment, and it would not be the first government where targets have | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
been missed. You mentioned fairness - George Osborne said he was | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
targeting bureaucracy, benefits, the well-off. He thought that was | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
fair - you think not? He makes a very unfair distinction between the | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
strikers and the skivers, between people on benefits and people in | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
work. The truth is, he is cutting tax credits, and three-quarters of | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
people on tax credits are in work. The idea that you can make a | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
distinction between people on benefits and people in work is | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
utterly wrong, and he knows it, and most people know it. Tax credits | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
are very important to ordinary, working families, and yet he blurs | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
the edges of that, by talking about people who are still asleep in the | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
morning. Most of the people out of work desperately want to find jobs. | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
Most of the people whose benefits have been cut are in work, | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
enclosing their housing benefits. Most of the people going on to | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
housing benefit are in work. terms of the political argument, | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
one question raised was, could George Osborne convince people that | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
this was the only strategy, however painful? Do you think he managed to | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
convince people? He will not convince people who thought from | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
the beginning that this was the wrong tactic, and that we should | :26:14. | :26:20. | |
simply borrow more and continue with fiscal indiscipline. They were | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
never going to be convinced. But in terms of austerity, I would say | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
that the wavering voters broadly feel this is necessary. They wish | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
that things were better, but they will have had to concede that it | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
has been harder than he had said at the outset. The polls are beginning | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
to switch, interestingly. Many more people are saying they think we | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
have had enough cuts, compared with the number saying that what counts | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
is the deficit only. If only he had borrowed in order to invest, but | :26:54. | :27:02. | |
borrowing is going up anyway. We have an economy which is shrinking | :27:02. | :27:12. | |
:27:12. | :27:12. | ||
Apology for the loss of subtitles for 43 seconds | :27:12. | :29:01. | |
On BBC Two we have Paul Johnson still with us. One of the issues we | :29:01. | :29:11. | |
:29:11. | :29:12. | ||
were talking about is the impact of the 1% rise in benefits for a | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
three-year period has quite big distributional impact, doesn't it? | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
Those dependent on benefits, those on the lowest incomes, not | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
pensioners, and this is not affecting pensioners, only goes on | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
working age, they will seek their real incomes fall by just over 1% a | :29:34. | :29:41. | |
year. But it is worth saying that over the last two or three years, | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
earnings have been increasing a lot slower than benefits. You could | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
argue that this is partially reversing a situation in which | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
those dependent on benefits have been doing better than those | :29:54. | :30:03. | |
dependent on innings. Robert? of what will determine things like | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
if these allegedly more cautious deficit assumptions are going to be | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
hit in years to come, will we keep our credit rating and the rest of | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
it, is what happens to growth. If you look at the OBR forecast of | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
growth, it is expecting something of a recovery next year. If you | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
drill down bits of it, you can take for granted they are going to be | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
negative. For the first time, general government consumption is | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
going to fall. Government investment is going to continue to | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
be squeezed. You can assume that these negative things are going to | :30:35. | :30:41. | |
happen. Then they say that we do expect consumer spending to bounce | :30:41. | :30:47. | |
quite a lot, up 0.9%, business investment to go up 0.9%. A | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
positive contribution from trade. In recent years, all of that has | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
disappointed. There are pretty good reasons to be cautious, I think, in | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
assuming we are going to get that kind of private sector recovery | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
next year. Do you think that this growth forecast is credible? It's | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
probably as credible as you can get. So it's not credible!? It's not | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
massively out of line with other forecasts. In its a little more | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
optimistic. It is less optimistic than last year. There is clearly a | :31:19. | :31:25. | |
risk that it will yet again have to be taken down in a year's time. | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
Let's put this in context. We have now had former careers of the worst | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
growth we have ever had, certainly since the 1920s. There is a very | :31:35. | :31:41. | |
real sense in what the OBR is suggesting, and do the forecasts, | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
it is unbelievably pessimistic given how bad things have been, | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
assuming that we have not lost very large swathes of the economy, at | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
some point we will move back. The problem that everybody has got his | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
when it starts to turn around. was looking at that distributional | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
figure, that the Labour Party are drawing people's attention to, the | :32:03. | :32:09. | |
charts produced by the Treasury to show who gains from these measures. | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
Anybody in the bottom half of society loses, people just above | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
the halfway mark gain a little, presumably from the personal tax | :32:18. | :32:24. | |
allowance and fuel duty. Then the richest 10% take quite a big hit. | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
In other words, it is sometimes misleading when you say that the | :32:30. | :32:36. | |
rich suffer, the poor suffer, there are quite a lot of people just | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
below the middle who suffer more than those just above the middle. | :32:40. | :32:50. | |
It's interesting what we mean by the rich. We usually mean somebody | :32:50. | :32:59. | |
slightly richer than us! If you are in the proper sense -- top 10%, it | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
might not feel like the super rich. What you have got is a set of | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
measures, the fuel duty, the personal allowance, that will help | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
those in the upper middle. Those dependent on benefits might be | :33:12. | :33:19. | |
losing as a result of the changes. Just as those who are earners have | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
lost because their earnings are falling. When you strip out the | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
extra things that have been put in, the Royal Mail, the Bank of England | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
giving back its interest to the Treasury, financial intervention | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
transfers, I'm not quite sure what that is, but strip that out as well, | :33:36. | :33:42. | |
is the deficit... It falls, but it doesn't seem to be falling that | :33:42. | :33:49. | |
fast. It's still going to be 60 billion in the 2016/17. Has he had | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
to revise yet again the fall in the size of his borrowing? Yes, he has | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
had to say that my borrowing has fallen significantly slower than I | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
hope last year, which was itself falling much slower than he had | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
hoped here before. He had to push out his target to get us back into | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
structural balance by an extra year, or of the way through to 2017/18. | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
He's had to announce another set of spending cuts. So, yes, he is | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
borrowing more now than he hoped to be back in March. Even back in | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
March? A lot more than back in autumn of last year when he told us | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
he was going to borrow a lot more than he told us in June of 2010? | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
It's all been going in the same rather unhelpful direction, yes. | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
Final points before we move on? That's the interesting part, the | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
politics. Do you look at these statements and dredge them against | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
what the Conservatives said when they were trying to get into office, | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
or do you judge them against the extraordinarily low expectations | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
that have been created in the last few weeks? In the latter, it is | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
just a little bit better than we thought. Borrowing has not gone up. | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
If you judge them by six months ago, a year ago, two years ago, they are | :35:03. | :35:10. | |
dreadful in every possible description. We measured debt | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
differently in this country from how the European Union measures | :35:12. | :35:19. | |
debt. On their measure, I guess we get to pretty much 100% of GDP? | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
Even on these figures, we are rising up to 80%, more than we had | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
hoped for before. Yes, it would be significantly higher on eurozone | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
measures. I think Nick is right, these are terrible numbers on a | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
long-term basis. But it's perhaps we get used to how bad things are. | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
We shouldn't, we should continue to be appalled by how bad things are. | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
Consider us appalled! That's for being with us. | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
-- thanks. Let's bring you have to date with the key points in the | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
Chancellor's Autumn Statement. Let's begin with tax and duties. | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
They are most interesting to individuals. Income-tax, the | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
personal allowance, the amount before you have to start paying tax | :36:01. | :36:10. | |
is rising in April of 2013 to �9,440. If you are a much higher | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
paid person than that, the amount that you can put into your pension | :36:14. | :36:21. | |
fund and get tax relief on is now down to �40,000, from �50,000. Also, | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
the lump sum that you are allowed to grow, we don't have the details, | :36:25. | :36:33. | |
but that has been reduced from �1.5 million, down to about �1.25 | :36:33. | :36:43. | |
:36:43. | :36:46. | ||
million. If you are a motorist, the three pence rise planned for | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
January is not going to happen. Benefits, one of the big areas | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
where the Government is clawing back a lot of money by making | :36:53. | :37:00. | |
changes. Working-age benefits, the increase would be capped at 1% for | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
three years. I presume that is 1% a year for three years, not 1% over | :37:06. | :37:15. | |
three years. Even so, if we assume inflation is 2%, it is a real-terms | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
cut. The changes will save almost �4 billion by 2015/16, which is | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
what the Chancellor needed to get borrowing to continue to fall. The | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
state pension is not touched, it will rise by 2.5%, the working | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
assumption of inflation that the Government is making, to �110.15 | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
next year for the single state pension. What about business? | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
Businesses got a bit of a surprise cut. It wasn't expecting a | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
corporation tax cut. It gets one, but has to wait until 2014, when it | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
will be down to 21%, about the lowest of any of the major | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
economies in the Western world. The Investment allowance, particularly | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
to encourage small businesses to invest, that has increased tenfold | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
from �25,000, up to �250,000. Desperate, the Chancellor, to see | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
small businesses making investments, to get the economy growing. That is | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
tax relief to encourage them to do so. They can write it off very | :38:14. | :38:21. | |
quickly. Small business rate relief has been extended until 2014. | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
So, that is some of the things the Chancellor thought would please | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
business. Let's get an overall reaction to what is pleasing the | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
markets and how the City sees it. Let's go over to Susannah Streeter | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
in Canary Wharf. Hello, I am after BGC Partners, | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
where I have been all day, gauging their reaction of economists, | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
market watchers and tax advisers to the Autumn Statement. Also, on ways | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
to restore the UK economy to good health. The City doesn't like | :38:50. | :38:57. | |
surprises and there were not many for them. There has been there for | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
reaction in the stock markets, the FTSE 100. Also, stocks and shares | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
of companies involved in the UK infrastructure, for example in | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
communications, transport and construction, they have not changed | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
much. The bond markets, there has been a slight lift in gilts. That | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
is a change. Let's talk to Allister Heath, the editor of City AM. Gilts | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
have risen, UK government debt shows that there is a bit more | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
confidence in what the Chancellor is doing. The market could have | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
dropped dramatically? The real story is that nothing has really | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
changed. The national debt is still going up at a very fast rate. The | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
deficit is massive, it is going to be bigger than we previously | :39:43. | :39:52. | |
thought. Really, what we are going to see his, year after year, the | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
unending austerity has been pushed back another year. The plan will | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
last for seven years, rather than six or four, as previously thought. | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
We had a few measures, the relief on capital expenditure is going up | :40:03. | :40:09. | |
quite dramatically. Also, this 5 billion capital fund for investment | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
in infrastructure. How much of an impact would that have won growth? | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
One or two of the measures that have an impact. This new rule will | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
make it cheaper or easier to invest, buy new factories and computers. | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
That has been welcomed. The cuts to corporation tax will be good news | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
and will boost the UK's attractiveness as a place for | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
companies to come. There are also some negative measures. The pension | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
industry was hit by a reduction in tax relief. There was another raid | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
on banks at a time when the Government wants them to lend more | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
money. It sort of balance itself out. On balance, there are a few | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
more pro-growth measures, rather than the anti-growth measures. A | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
lot of debt, a lot of deficit, I don't think that picture has | :40:53. | :40:59. | |
changed. We are still going to see years and years of austerity. | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
sure that is good to be the headline in City AM. Something | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
along those lines, years of austerity to come. For the City, it | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
has been viewed as business as usual. | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
Let's get some more political reaction to the Autumn Statement of | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
2012. We are joined by the leader of the UK Independence Party, Nigel | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
Farage. You must be pretty happy to see the deficits continuing to go | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
down, growth coming back into the economy, Britain beginning to look | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
a little bit better again? haven't spotted any of that. We are | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
two and-a-half years into the Government, the deficit is still | :41:35. | :41:40. | |
enormous, growth is Pitt Report. Nothing has really improved at all. | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
What we have today are another series of forecasts, heading out | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
for the next three, four, five years, that frankly look like | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
fantasy land given what is going on. By giving courage and complement | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
the Chancellor of what he has done to encourage shale gas development, | :41:54. | :42:04. | |
:42:04. | :42:05. | ||
on what he has done to encourage investment. But I don't think they | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
have done enough to get growth into the economy. But where are the cut? | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
This was a government that was going to hack back quangos. I can't | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
see anything like that being proposed at all. I don't think he | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
is being radical enough. proposed a new quango for a | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
conventional gas, an interesting title to have. Other than leaving | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
Europe, let's park your raison d'etre, what else would you have | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
them do? Well, leaving Europe would of course Sadie 1% of your | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
expenditure. There is also a fairly urgent need to look at much of the | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
foreign aid budget, which is not reaching the right destinations. | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
They are the short term, easy things to do. Under those years of | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
Labour government, we grew something like an extra million | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
people working throughout quangos, the civil servants and deep | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
bureaucratic layer in this country. And we have got to make some big, | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
very deep cuts in those areas. And I don't think that this government | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
has got the courage to do it. I believe it needs to be done. | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
came a distant second in Rotherham and you didn't do badly in some of | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
the other by-elections. Bjorn nip and tuck with the Lib Dems, now in | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
the polls, you are sometimes ahead. What are you going to do for an | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
encore? We are going to keep on going and show people we are not | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
just a party that talks about who governs Britain and why we should | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
not be part of the European Union. We are also a party talking about | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
how that Britain should be governed. What I would like to see today, | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
particularly for Britain's 4.2 million small businesses, I would | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
like to see some changes to employment regulations. We saw none | :43:47. | :43:56. | |
Let's go back to Jo Coburn, in Stoke-on-Trent. The Government is | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
fond of saying that those with the broadest shoulders should bear the | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
heaviest load. So, was that evident in the announcements made by the | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
Chancellor today? What is certain is that the Government has admitted | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
that austerity will last until 2018, and that is likely to lead to | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
further belt-tightening. Let's discussed that with my local -- | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
with my three guests, a local says the agent, a member of the TUC, and | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
a representative of the Confederation of British Industry. | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
Is anybody buying and selling houses? The only people selling are | :44:34. | :44:44. | |
those that feel forced to. If you look at inflation, the numbers are | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
down by 26%. The only people selling are forced, and the only | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
people really buying our investors, who have the funding available to | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
buy, to let them out. Getting a mortgage, is that the big problem, | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
or is it that people are unsure about the future? In this area, we | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
have one of the highest rates of unemployment in the country, so | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
there are very few people who are in a position to apply for a | :45:09. | :45:18. | |
mortgage, and those who are just do not have the deposit. How are | :45:18. | :45:25. | |
Estate Agents managing? We also do nettings. The rental market is very | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
strong. We are quite focused on those who are in receipt of housing | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
benefit, because they make up such a large part of this local area. | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
The Chancellor is talking today about people who make a lifestyle | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
choice to stay in bed while others go to work, and quite frankly, that | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
is not the case in Stoke-on-Trent. People do not have the choice. | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
Let's talk about that lifestyle choice, because George Osborne says | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
he has got to share the pain fairly - is he doing that? Absolutely not. | :45:56. | :46:03. | |
Here in Stoke, four people are chasing every job. In areas like | :46:03. | :46:10. | |
Stoke, it has been economically on its knees. Taking �3.5 billion from | :46:10. | :46:15. | |
benefits, the majority of which go to people in work, it is the wrong | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
cure at the wrong time. He painted a picture of somebody sitting in | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
their room with the blinds closed and not working, is that what you | :46:23. | :46:31. | |
think? The majority of people claiming benefit are in work. Raids | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
on working tax credits and on child credit across the board are | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
squeezing family income. They are then not spending in the local | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
economy, and shops are struggling. Let's take that point. People will | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
not have much more disposable income after today - how does that | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
affect businesses - cake we have to realise, there is not a magic cure | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
to the economic situation. The Chancellor mentioned about the UK | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
having to compete in the world, and there was some good news today | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
about encouraging companies to export. There was the cut in | :47:06. | :47:13. | |
corporation tax, amongst others. But there is no magic solution. | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
There you go, there is no magic wand, and George Osborne says, the | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
richest in society are paying their fair share of taxes. It is simply | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
not the case. We said in 2010 that cutting so hard and putting more | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
people on the dole was not the right solution, and we have been | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
proved right. But employment has stood up better than might have | :47:36. | :47:44. | |
been expected. As has been said, under-employment is a huge issue. | :47:44. | :47:50. | |
People are not earning enough money. When things are going wrong, it is | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
about time we admitted it, and acknowledged that we cannot keep | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
putting these targets back time and again, but we actually need to | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
invest in jobs and services. People will remember that what got a lot | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
of the economy into trouble was an overheated housing market - you | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
would not want to go back to that, would you? We would not. But we | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
have got a housing shortage. In the West Midlands we estimate 17,000 | :48:16. | :48:22. | |
new households were formed, and only 8,500 houses were built. So, | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
we are building up a shortage of homes. We would like to see | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
investment in housebuilding, to create jobs and to supply the | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
housing for the future. Briefly, is that what you would like to see as | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
well we would like to see more investment in infrastructure and in | :48:37. | :48:47. | |
:48:47. | :48:50. | ||
construction generally. That's it from us here. Back to the studio. | :48:50. | :48:56. | |
We are joined by the Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Rachel | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
Reeves. Welcome to the show. Labour said the deficit was going up this | :48:59. | :49:06. | |
year, but the OBR shows it is either static or going down, so you | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
were wrong. In the first six months of this year, the deficit has risen. | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
The only way the Chancellor can say that the deficit is going to fall | :49:15. | :49:22. | |
is because he has just put the sale of the 4G licence in, but that | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
option has not happened yet, so he is banking on it arriving before | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
the end of March, which may or may not happen. It does not change the | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
underlying picture, which is that for every year of this Parliament, | :49:34. | :49:37. | |
bowling has been revised up, and by the end of Parliament, debt will | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
still be going up as a share of GDP, in contrast to what the Chancellor | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
said, which was that debt would be falling, and that the structural | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
deficit would be eliminated within this Parliament. But he has said | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
many times that he has cut the deficit inherited from Labour by | :49:53. | :50:03. | |
25%. That is true, and the Office for Budget Responsibility forecast | :50:03. | :50:13. | |
:50:13. | :50:13. | ||
confirms that, does it not? Well, they said they were going to | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
eliminate the deficit during this Parliament. It is not that they | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
have not put up taxes for ordinary families, and cut public spending, | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
because they have done both of these things, but the reason the | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
borrowing has gone up is because the economic recovery has been | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
chopped off, the economy is going to shrink this year, and we have | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
had the double-dip recession, the longest and deepest since the | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
Second world War. As a result, welfare bills are going up, and tax | :50:41. | :50:46. | |
receipts have collapsed. We have got to have jobs and growth to get | :50:46. | :50:52. | |
the deficit down. Will you vote for the 1% Benefit uprating deal urged | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
that we will need to see the detail, and we have not seen yet all of the | :50:57. | :51:07. | |
:51:07. | :51:10. | ||
different benefits which will be affected by it. It is for those in | :51:10. | :51:15. | |
work, so, although we have not seen the detail, it is pretty clear, it | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
is like Jobseeker's Allowance. it is also a tax credit, people in | :51:20. | :51:29. | |
low-income jobs, like young mothers. So, for working benefits, will you | :51:29. | :51:35. | |
vote for a 1% rise? We would need to see the detail. We do not know | :51:35. | :51:42. | |
which tax credits will be affected, whether it will be maternity, | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
paternity... What about Jobseeker's Allowance? Let's see whether we can | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
amend the bill. At a time when taxes are being cut for | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
millionaires, who will get an average tax cut next April of | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
�100,000, it cannot be right to be cutting support for those people on | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
modest incomes, and people who through no fault of their own have | :52:03. | :52:10. | |
lost their jobs. So, vote against it? We are hoping we can amend the | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
bill. How would you do that? need to look at the detail of it. | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
It looks at the moment like the biggest losers will be those people, | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
not who are out of work, but those in low-paid jobs, who are relying | :52:24. | :52:30. | |
on tax credits. So you would vote against that? We need to see the | :52:30. | :52:40. | |
:52:40. | :52:40. | ||
detail. It sounds like you know the detail! We do not! But the | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
principle cannot be right, that next April, millionaires are | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
getting a tax cut, whilst people on modest incomes are getting a tax | :52:48. | :52:54. | |
increase. The logical conclusion would seem to be to vote against | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
the bill. I do not want to say I am going to vote against the bill! | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
have said welfare spending is wising - what is the basis of | :53:03. | :53:09. | |
saying that? Well, it is rising. What other figures? I do not have | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
the latest figures, but welfare payments are going up because there | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
are more people claiming benefits, and also many more people in part- | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
time work. But unemployment is falling. Unemployment is higher | :53:21. | :53:27. | |
than it was at the general election, and long-term unemployment is I | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
think 890,000 people, one third of people in total, out of work, and | :53:31. | :53:38. | |
out of work for more than a year. You say the welfare bill is going | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
up, but actually, it is not, in real terms. In the year of the | :53:43. | :53:49. | |
election, the welfare bill was �188 billion. This year, it is �203 | :53:49. | :53:55. | |
billion, but that is in money terms, not in real terms. And it includes | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
the rise in pensions, indeed, most of it is the rise in pensions. If | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
you take out pensions, because everybody wants to do, because we | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
are talking about welfare payments, and do it in real terms, the | :54:06. | :54:14. | |
welfare bill is not rising. Well, I would dispute those figures. These | :54:14. | :54:24. | |
:54:24. | :54:26. | ||
are the Government figures. I do not know whether those numbers | :54:26. | :54:32. | |
include tax credits. Yes, they do. There are and many more people who | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
want to be working, in fact, 3 million people who are working | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
part-time, who would like to be working full-time, and as a result | :54:40. | :54:47. | |
are paying more -- we are paying more out of benefits. Those numbers | :54:47. | :54:52. | |
show a �20 billion increase, that is a 10% increase. That includes | :54:52. | :55:00. | |
pensions. That is almost 5% per year, higher than inflation. That | :55:00. | :55:08. | |
suggests a real-terms increase. �13 billion of that is pensions. | :55:08. | :55:14. | |
Welfare payments are going up... But, they are not going up, on the | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
basis of the figures! Watt bit do you not understand?! If you are | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
saying they have gone up by �20 billion, that's 10 defeat, over 2.5 | :55:24. | :55:29. | |
years. That is higher than inflation, so that is a real-terms | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
increase. Also, tax revenues are plummeting, because income tax | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
receipts are going down, and so are corporation tax receipts. Nick | :55:38. | :55:45. | |
Robinson... This debate that you two have been having in a sense | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
will reflect the debate that George Osborne wants parliament to have. | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
He has deliberately focused on the squeeze on benefits, he has | :55:52. | :55:56. | |
deliberately put a piece of legislation in, because he wants it | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
to be awkward for the Labour Party to know whether to vote for it or | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
against it. What Rachel is reflecting is that the Labour Party | :56:03. | :56:08. | |
would not want to jump into a hole marked, we are in favour of this, | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
because they want to say, certain benefit rises are good, and certain | :56:12. | :56:17. | |
ones are not. Talking of holes, the Liberal Democrats have just jumped | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
into one. They have issued a press release saying that the | :56:22. | :56:27. | |
Conservatives, quotes, the only tax cuts they support, are for the very | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
rich. When it was pointed out that this was a curious thing to say | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
about your coalition partners, the Liberal Democrats pointed out that | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
it was in fact an old press release, which they did not mean to release. | :56:39. | :56:47. | |
That paragraph was 2.5 years old, we are told. But at least they are | :56:47. | :56:57. | |
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not in government. Oh, no, they are. I do not often agree with the | :56:57. | :57:02. | |
Liberal Democrats, but on that, I do. What will the line of attack be | :57:02. | :57:09. | |
now on this? Well, the economic plan has failed. We said that the | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
Government had neglected jobs and growth and everything, but the | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
Chancellor said, judges on whether we get rid of the structural | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
deficit, and whether debt is falling as a share of GDP. Even | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
against his own targets, he has now failed, which is what the Office | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
for Budget Responsibility has said today. It is time for a different | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
plan, this one is not working. now looks fairly likely that the UK | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
will lose its AAA credit rating. Most people would say, if you had | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
been elected and followed Alastair Darling's plan, we would have lost | :57:40. | :57:46. | |
it already. Does it not matter? don't think you should set economic | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
policy by this credit rating. They were giving Lehman Brothers a clean | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
bill of health right up until the financial crisis. The Chancellor | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
has said that we will be keeping this rating, so if we to lose it, | :57:58. | :58:03. | |
it is another nail in the coffin of credibility for the Chancellor. | :58:03. | :58:07. | |
politics of this for the Government is still very difficult. 14 points | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
behind in the polls, and not much good news today. No, grim news. If | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
this was what George Osborne had been told a while ago, he would | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
have had his head in his hands. One bit of good use today, borrowing is | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
not going up. Everything else is grim. The measures are grim, they | :58:24. | :58:30. | |
are tough. This is not going to cheer anybody up. But intriguingly, | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
the Tories enjoyed today's statement, and Labour did not. That | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
can be parliamentary politics for you. We shall see about that. That | :58:39. | :58:45. |