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In just one hour's time, Chancellor George Osborne will deliver his

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long awaited Autumn Statement. We are in for more spending cuts, a

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squeeze on benefits and pension tax allowances, and more years of

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austerity, stretching all the way Good morning. Welcome to this Daily

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Politics Special on the Chancellor's Autumn Statement,

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broadcast live on BBC Two, the BBC News Channel and BBC Online. A year

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ago George Osborne had to admit defeat. Contrary to the original

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plan in his first Budget of June 2010, he was no longer able to

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eliminate the fiscal deficit within five years. In that game-changing

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Autumn Statement of 2011 we were told that austerity would continue

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for at least two more years to 2016/17. Today he will tell us what

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that extra austerity will look like in terms of tax increases and

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further spending cuts. We might discover that, even with the extra

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hard pounding, the Chancellor is still not able to meet his original

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fiscal rules on debt and deficit. And that even seven years of

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austerity won't be the end of it. The Chancellor is about to leave

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the Treasury for the short drive over to the House of Commons.

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Unlike Budget Days, there's no appearance outside Number 11 with

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the Treasury team for the Autumn Statement. But what he tells us

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today is the result of lengthy discussions and negotiations with

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his Lib Dem Treasury colleague, Chief Secretary Danny Alexander,

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and with the other two members of the Coalition Quad which sites at

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the top of this Coalition government, David Cameron and Nick

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Clegg. We'll have live coverage of the speech and Labour's response

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the moment the Chancellor gets to his feet at 12.30pm. Before that,

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at noon, we'll have Prime Minister's Questions. And to guide

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us throughout, we have the BBC's finest here in the studio. Plus

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reaction from Westminster and I'm outside Parliament talking to

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politicians of all shades, getting their reaction to today's mini-

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budget, and assessing the impact on the political landscape.

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I'm in Stoke-on-Trent at the Wedgwood factory, where I'll be

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joined by businesses from across Staffordshire and by Paul Lewis

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from BBC Radio 4's Moneybox programme. I'll be answering your

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questions and explaining what today's announcement means for your

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budget. I mean Canary Wharf at the heart banking and finance. I'll be

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speaking to market what has to find out the city's reaction to the

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Comprehensive coverage and the best analysis - what else would you

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expect from the BBC? With me is Nick Robinson, our economics editor,

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Stephanie Flanders, our business editor, Robert Peston. A veritable

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posse of BBC editors all in one room. The insurance policy will be

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enormous! A hat-trick of BBC editors. The Budget in March was

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not Mr Osborne's finest hour. He needs to do better that this autumn

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statement that he hasn't got a lot of good news to give us. That is an

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understatement. Imagine if you'd said to George Osborne in the run-

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up to that general election, which he believed he'd win and the

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Conservatives would win outright, in two years' time you will get

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your chance as Chancellor. He was a debt is not boring, it is going up.

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Debt will not fall in accordance with your target, you won't meet it.

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The deficit will not be cleared and the budget will not be balanced in

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five years, not even seven, it will eventually, you hope, if the

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forecasts are right, the balanced in eight. Imagine it in that same

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statement you were to tell him a few years ago, you will get your

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feet, not on budget day, but on the Autumn Statement when you don't

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normally do them, and you will announce more tax rises, benefit

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cuts and cuts to departmental budgets. He would have shaken his

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head in disbelief and say, I would have been driven out of town. That

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is what you will get, though, from George Osborne today. Austerity for

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longer, targets missed, taxes up, spending squeezed. Ed Balls, the

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Shadow Chancellor, must think Christmas has come early. Yes, he

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will say, I told you so, it shouldn't have been like this. But,

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this is the fascinating and surprising politics, everything

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I've described should have made George Osborne in 2009 go, it's all

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over, and Ed Balls open the political champagne. And yet

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somehow George Osborne has managed to pull off the trip so far are

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always saying to the country, look, it might not be going to plan but

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let's stick to the plan because it would be a mistake to turn back.

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And saying to Ed Balls, forget all that stuff you said in the past,

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what matters is what you are saying about the future. If the Chancellor

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can politically pull off that trick today, stick to the course, will

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Labour match our well-fed cuts, that is a bit rich politically for

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the Coalition. If Ed Balls can say conclusively, you were wrong, I

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said you were wrong, you didn't need to be wrong, Labour starts to

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get some traction on the issue. This Chancellor came to office two-

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and-a-half years ago thinking that the economy would be growing by

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almost 3% this year. But it looks like it is barely growing at all in

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2012. That has stymied his deficit- reduction plans. I've got the

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gritty numbers to go with the analysis. You are right, he made

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this kind of a calculated gamble when he came into office in 2010,

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that the private sector would grow fast enough in this period for him

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to be able to balance the books in a single parliament. It just hasn't

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worked out that way. If you look at what has happened to quarterly

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growth since 2010, you can see there was a kind of recovery

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happening when he took office. But as we move into 2011, it never

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really got momentum. It was one step forward, one step back

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throughout that year. As the going to 2012, we can see the period at

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the beginning of this year when we officially went back into recession,

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the so-called double-dip. You know it is formally a recession when it

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drops bought two quarters in a road. A lot of people think that last

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quarter in the spring and early summer of declining economy

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actually was more due to be Jubilee extra bank holiday, which made

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those figures look particularly bad and made the next set of figures

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look rather good for George Osborne. We have this very good 1% growth

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figure for the three months to September. But I don't think anyone

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thinks that growth is going to continue at anything like that

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weight. The Governor of the Bank of England has warned the economy

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might even shrink again in the last few months of this year. Triple dip.

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That's the growth figures, it looks miserable. What have been the

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consequences for the core of his economic strategy, which is to cut

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the amount we borrow every year? Two things have made his life

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difficult. It is not just the slow growth, it's the fact that the

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Office for budget Responsibility, which he set up and now does the

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forecasts, has decided that a lot of the growth we didn't get we are

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never going to get. It was a permanent hit to our economy. That

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has made things harder for him because it's made the whole that

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much bigger in the public finances. These are the forecasts for the

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deficit, the measure of the deficit he wanted to get rid off when he

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was writing his first Budget win 2010. The OBR told him this was

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what borrowing was going to look like if he did the austerity. He

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would bring it back into balance well before the next election,

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within four years, though his rules set five years. Job done before the

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election. That looked nice at the time. But a year ago there was that

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massive autumn statement, the important moment when the OBR

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decided that we weren't going to get back a lot of this growth, it

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had a much gloomier picture of the underlying deficit. By the time we

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got to April this year, the last figures we had in the budget, this

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is what the deficit picture was looking like. It meant he just

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wouldn't be able to bring that back into the black by 2015. It was

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going to be an extra two years of austerity. Will be hearing more

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today about how those extra cuts might be divided across the welfare

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budget, tax increases for the rich. But we will also be listening for

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what happened to that next year? Is he going to have to push the

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austerity into 2017 because the figures are showing him that that

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measure of borrowing is not going to have disappeared by then? The

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crucial thing is it may also show that his measure of borrowing, his

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structural hole, is bigger now that he thought it was when he first

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came into office. He might not be in power by then. It's a long time

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after the election. Robert, business keeps on saying, if you

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want growth, you've got to do more to help business. Would he do more

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today? One of the big themes of this government has been cutting

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corporation tax. It's the one area, he's been trying to cut the tax

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burden. I'd be very surprised if we don't hear him talk a bit more

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about what he's doing a to help business in that sense. The other

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thing which is massively important is this. It's the sustainability of

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the government debt. The government has set great store by its triple-A

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credit rating. It has spent a lot of time boasting over the last

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couple of years that we are one of the few developed economies left

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with a triple-A. Do macro of the credit rating agencies are warning

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that we could lose that triple-A. It's one of the things I'm going to

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be thinking about Haagh. Whether or not what he says today will make

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that inevitable. If it does happen, if we do lose the trouble away, I

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think that is a political problem. It's a humiliation for the

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government. I, on the other hand, think that most investors have

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broadly written off the UK's triple-A. Whether in practice it

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will do much to the economy, I doubt in the sense that it is

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unlikely that simply a notch down on that rating will make it

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massively more expensive for the government to borrow. But as a

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political event, that would be very bad. The French and Americans have

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got away with the reduction. That political would-be hugely

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embarrassing. Yes, it will be interesting to see what he does to

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try and persuade the markets and credit agencies. He can't say we

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are meeting the targets. The one thing he could say is, you think

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this Coalition government can't take tough decisions. Boy, we can!

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He tries to do some eye-watering things in order to say, Look, we've

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got the result, which we might not have the results but we've got the

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result. But to much extent it's out of his hand. The reason that the

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credit agencies have put us under review for downgrade is because

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growth has not materialised in the UK. That makes it terribly

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difficult for him to generate a tax revenues he needs. He will not be

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able to magic up additional growth in the next year or two. For those

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reasons, that credit rating, in the view of most investors, is gone.

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are at the heart of the Westminster village. But throughout today's

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programme we will be getting reaction from business people in

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Yes, they've been making Wedgwood pots here in Stoke-on-Trent since

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the 17 hundreds. But three years ago, but Potter's wheels almost

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stopped turning for good when the company went bust. They were bought

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out by a New York venture capitalist firm and they merged

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with Royal Doulton and water would crystal. To talk about the

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company's Biteback is Wedgwood's chief financial officer, Anthony

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Jones, and from the construction Centre, Julie White, from a

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concrete cutting company. How hard was it to get Wedgwood back on its

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feet? A there is no doubt these are incredibly challenging times but

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I'm pleased that both our company and industry are fighting back. At

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Wedgwood, we are delighted that in the last three years, since

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successfully emerging from administration, we returned to

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profitability in our second year and delivered sales growth.

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have you done it? Two things. We repositioned and re-energised the

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brand. We turned it from a traditional table top brand into a

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luxury lifestyle brand in the wider home category. As important, we

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focused on improving every aspect of our business. We've done that to

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an operation of excellence programme. It has overhauled our

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supply chain and all of our business processes to build a

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strong foundation upon which we could grow. At UCATT staff and made

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it a more streamlined operation? we've focused on business processes

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and making us more efficient. We are still at the same level of

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staff we were at three years ago. We've started growing in the last

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year. Julie, for you on the business you are in, what is

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holding back growth? With being a specialist contractor in the

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construction industry, we need the government to be pushing

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infrastructure. We need to see something. What sort of projects

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would really help you? They keep talking about HS2 and an airport in

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the Thames Valley, but White now we need to have already sides to get

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going. We can start moving the economy are very quick at a

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construction sector like no other sector. How difficult has it been

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over the last 18 months? It really is tough. We are in a flat market.

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They say we are coming out of recession but construction is so

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flat right now. But we've been getting more of a market share.

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We've been striking up a bigger jobs with a lot of the bigger

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contractors. We've been bringing on more apprentices. We have grown.

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Julie is concerned about in the structure projects here. You are

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What do you want George Osborne to do for you to break into that

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market? Anything that will enable us as exporters to be more

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competitive in what is a very challenging market place. Whilst we

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also welcome the recent focus on stimulating large infrastructure

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projects, and we are delighted to secure a �5 million grant as part

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of the regional growth fund, what we really need is a real package of

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fundamental measures to address the cost equations for UK manufacturers,

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essentially to make those more competitive. A couple of issues

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that impact on us, energy, apprenticeships, as an energy

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intensive manufacturer we urgently need energy market reform to create

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that competitive framework that doesn't penalise our industry. Over

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15% of our cost is represented by energy. We have suffered two

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consecutive 20% price increases in the last few years. With all of

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those kilns, you need the costs to come down. What about you? What is

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the biggest cost you could do with George Osborne addressing?

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actually ran a lot of fleets with vehicles so fuel. That would help

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everybody across the board. Also, helping us find the right funding

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for what we can achieve. Government has said there is money

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across the country that you can go to your local region and get. Have

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you managed to do that? It is hard over there. They keep talking about

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business bank, regional growth funding, I don't care where I get

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my funding from, I just need help finding it. If I am going to grow

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my company and employ people, I need help. Have you actually

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applied for it? Yes, regional growth fund. They said we were too

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good for it. We had to put in for more money than we needed, which

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made us more of a risk, and they gave it to us. So you applied for

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more and got more? Yes, but when we applied for the amount we needed,

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they said we could do it ourselves. What about finance and cashflow?

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Cashflow is also incredibly important to us. We were also

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successful in the last round of the regional growth fund. It leverage

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is Investment with public sector money, so we are also putting a lot

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of investment in on our side of the equation as well. What we need are

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the fundamental measures to address competitiveness in UK manufacturing.

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We will be here talking to Thank you. Good to hear the voices

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of industry. They are often very different from the way it seems in

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Westminster when politicians announce things. Maybe it doesn't

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quite happen on the ground? We will come back to that later in the

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programme. I am told that the Chancellor has left the Treasury.

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Let's see if we can see him. There is the Chancellor, coming out of

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one of several entrances to the Treasury. It is a huge building

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around a corner from where we are. There he is with Danny Alexander,

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the Lib Dem Chief Secretary to the Treasury, the man that the

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Chancellor regards as both an ally and somebody has to negotiate with.

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Mr Alexander is there to represent the Lib Dems. There has been debate,

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if the Chancellor wants more cuts on welfare, what is he going to do

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to make life a little bit more difficult for the rich? It's not a

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long drive, he will be there in a few minutes. Some would say he

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could have walked! Interesting, he didn't walk out of

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the front door, nobody can shout at him! No limousine, not the usual

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sleek saloon car. More functional security car. It is all trivial,

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but somebody has thought about it. A car for an austerity statement?

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He could have walked! Save the money, keep emissions down. You can

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get the latest on the Autumn Statement on the BBC website. You

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You will find in-depth coverage and discover what the measures mean for

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you. As well as sending your comments and questions through the

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BBC website, you can also take part in the conversation by following

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the debate on Twitter. All of our correspondents and experts will be

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using the hashtag that is on your screen now. You can keep tabs on

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their comments and insights and add your own. We get to read them as

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well. As Robert was saying, this government is able to borrow

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cheaply because the markets regard its fiscal deficit reduction plan

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as credible. But what would happen if it ceases to do so? It will be

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the city and the financial markets that will decide. Let's go to

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Susannah Streeter in Canary Wharf. I am at BGC Partners. It is a very

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busy morning. It has been very volatile markets of late, not

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simply due to the European debt crisis but also concerns about UK

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PLC, the lack of growth. Will the Chancellor come up with some new

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policies today or will he just put a bit of a shine on some old ones?

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Well, that is the question many traders will be wanting some

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answers too, particularly as today we have had very disappointing data

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coming out about the UK economy, a fall in factory orders, new orders

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since December 2010. Let's talk to Mike Ingram, market analyst at BGC

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Partners. There are concerns, particularly with the latest data

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coming out, about the health of the UK economy? Absolutely, very

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disappointing data. We are expecting there is going to be an

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acceleration in the service sector. But it fell further towards the

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danger zone. If you look at the chart, you can see that this is the

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50% mark that separates growth from contraction. 52%, just about

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keeping about her. That is the real focus, what is going to happen with

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growth? Robert Curtis is from HSBC. What is your focus going to be when

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you are listening to the statement a little bit later? What will you

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be interested in? I will be looking at the growth forecasts. They are

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so important. As we have just heard, the purchasing managers' data was

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very poor. Growth going forward, we know that they will revise it down,

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this year and next year. But will they get back to trend growth? 2.3%

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by 2015? Or will it go about that? If it doesn't, finances look a bit

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dicey. If it doesn't look like it is credible, the rating agencies

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might get involved. There might be a downgrade of UK plc. More from

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you're a little bit later. You can see the real tricky balancing act

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that the Chancellor has. All eyes are going to be on the bond markets,

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up what will happen to the UK government debt? Will be yields

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rise and have become more expensive for UK PLC to borrow? We will have

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If you have just joined us on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel, you

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are watching special coverage of the Autumn Statement at Westminster.

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Thanks very much. Since the Budget in March, we have been back into

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recession. We saw the figures for the last quarter getting us back on

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track. It has been a bumpy ride for the Chancellor and a very fragile

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recovery. What will he say to try to keep that going? We will discuss

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that with politicians from all main parties shortly. First, let's

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remind ourselves of the global Look at us in the streets, look at

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us fighting. Look at the situation. Those measures are ruining our

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lives. We cannot go on this way, like Greece, Italy and Spain. All

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of these cuts are bringing more unemployment, more and more

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unemployment and worse conditions. They ECB is ready to do what ever

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We cannot just cut our way to prosperity. If we are serious about

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reducing the deficit, we have to There it is, the toughest of

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economic backdrops. Let's speak to my guests, Conservative MP Claire

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Perry is here. Lisa Nandy is also with us for Labour, along with

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Liberal Democrat Pierre Matthew Hoh shot. Let's chew the fat. Claire

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Perry, first of all, in terms of the politics of this, doesn't it

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boiled down to one word for George Osborne, credibility? I think it

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does. I think what it boils down to his credibility of economic policy

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which, against the backdrop you have just shown of enormous global

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instability, is delivering growth. It has delivered more than 1

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million private sector jobs since the election. It is delivering

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falling unemployment and low interest rates. It has cut

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government deficit by a quarter since the election. I think we are

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there to hear a discussion of credibility and confirmation that

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it is working. But the credibility issue, after the last Budget,

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forecasts being slashed, a double- dip recession, a lot of the

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Chancellor's reputation is at stake? That's right, and we have to

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go back to the facts, against this backdrop of global instability, the

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headwind of decline in Europe, is the British economy in a better

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place? The answer is yes, we are growing sustainably... You say that,

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but he's going to announce that the austerity of programme is extended

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again, it became 2015, 2017, then 2018. That's a tough message?

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Things continue to be tough, but the answer is not what the shadow

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chancellor will call for, more borrowing. You do not borrow your

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way out of a borrowing crisis. We know that the Labour Party wants to

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cut the deficit, they have failed to say what they will cut. Until we

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hear that, they will have no credibility today. Lisa Nandy, the

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Government says to turn back now would be a disaster. You heard that

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the deficit has been cut by a quarter, 1 million private sector

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jobs. There is progress there? don't think anybody listening to

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this programme around the country would recognise the picture that

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she paints. We have people, particularly on low and middle

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incomes, suffering real pain. We have the weakest growth in the G7

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outside of Italy. This plan simply isn't working. The Chancellor has

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been forced to borrow more because he cannot get the economy moving.

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Even on his own terms, I think we are going to hear it has failed.

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The global downturn, the euro crisis, the meltdown, any

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projections you would have had would also have been blown off

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course? It is why we said two things very early, firstly that you

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do not cut the deficit this fast. If you cut the public sector, you

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also put the private sector very hard and stifled growth. It is also

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why we have consistently called for investment. A new school buildings,

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one of the first things that his government did was cancel the

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school building programme. That would have got people off benefits

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and into work, benefits go down, taxing take goes up and the economy

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gets moving again. We are halfway through the parliament, is the

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basic economic Strategy Working? You are part of this coalition

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government. Only one word matters and it is growth. Both parties came

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together to clear up the problems and get the deficit down. The

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economy did start growing and the deficit did start going down. Now

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we are going backwards again. The deficit is going up, growth has

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stopped. All around the country, in my day job, outside London, we are

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definitely still in recession. We have got to do more. Then a two

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black holes in the economy. The banks are not lending. That is the

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economy that has to happen, we have to get the bank's lending. Also, we

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need to get houses being built. Back to you in the studio.

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It is coming up to midday on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel. In a

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moment we will be crossing live to the Commons chamber for Prime

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Minister's Questions. If you're just joining us, let's remind

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ourselves of some of the things we are expecting any Autumn Statement.

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We learned yesterday that current government spending would be cut

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even further in 2013 and 2014, by 1% and 2%. That is meant to release

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�5 billion to pay for capital projects, investment, including, we

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are told, 100 new schools. We think they would approve as many as 30

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new gas power stations. It is seen by some as a source of cleaner and

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cheaper energy for the future. You might also want to look at deep

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tax-breaks and planning consent for shale gas. We expect welfare to

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take a hit, yet again. He could freeze more benefits, preventing

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them from rising in line with inflation, or he could cap them in

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a move that might be the compromise he had to make with the Lib Dems.

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He also want to show that the well- off are sharing the pain. He is

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widely expected to cut the amount that people contribute to their

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pensions. The amount they can put in three tax free is 30,000 at the

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moment. He might cut back. There will also beat potentially a cut

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down on tax avoidance. What would a Budget be without a crackdown on

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tax avoidance? We are told that could raise as much as �10 billion.

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Finally, his only piece of Christmas cheer, if it is even that,

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he is expected to cancel the 3p rise in fuel duty planned for

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The latest poll had the Tories at 30 %, Labour at 44 %. A 14 point

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lead. The Tories at their worst bar once since they formed the

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Coalition government. Absolutely. What he said about the budget, what

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became known as the omnishambles, it absolutely led to that change in

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the opinion polls. It changed to produce a drop in George Osborne's

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ratings. Part of what he is trying to do, as well as the important

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economics, is get the politics right again, of at least looking

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like he's in charge, looking like there is a competent Chancellor,

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even if it is a Chancellor that people don't agree with. So when he

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looks as though he is actually running the Treasury, not just

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running around. The OBR will downgrade nearly all the forecasts.

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Will there be any forecasts that are good news? They Mel -- they may

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well be looking at the employment figures, because that has performed

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in the last couple of years. There's been a lot of jobs created

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in the private sector, and net increase of about 700,000. Little

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bits of good news but hard to find. Let's cross straight over to Prime

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Minister's Questions in the House I'm sure the whole House will want

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to congratulate the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the

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wonderful news they are expecting their first child. This is the

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perfect piece of news to end what has been an extraordinary Jubilee

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year. Turning to Afghanistan, the threat to global security from the

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Al-Qaeda presence in Afghanistan has been significantly reduced.

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This is in large part the result of the brave work of UK, I SADF and

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Afghan armed forces. We remain committed to Afghanistan for the

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long term and will continue to support the development of the

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Afghan national security forces after at 2014, through continued

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funding and involvement in training. Our continued contribution to

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Labour and the political process will underpin a state that is

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capable of policing its own lands. It is by this Papac Al-Qaeda would,

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I believe, be unable to re- establish itself in Afghanistan.

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The Taliban have been told when most of our troops will be leaving.

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They need to be told what sanctions to expect if they help out Cader to

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return. What would those sanctions be and would an Allied regional

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strategic base serve to make them credible? I think the most

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important sanction for everyone to bear in mind is the fact that the

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Afghan national security forces are already at a level of 335,000, and

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are increasingly capable and increasingly able to police and

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secure their own country. But of course we will continue to be

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involved, not least through the Officer Training Academy we will

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establish. The Americans will have a strong relationship, as we will

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have come up with the government of Afghanistan. We will want to help

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them in all the ways we can, to make sure that Afghan never again

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becomes a haven of international terror. Question number two, Mr

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Speaker. This morning I had meetings with ministerial

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colleagues and others. In addition to duties in this House... You

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would have thought I'd got used to it by now! In addition to my duties

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in his house, I shall have further meetings later today. I visited my

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critically ill constituents in hospital last week. There were only

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two nurses on a ward of 30 very ill patients. She has asked me to ask

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the Prime Minister why he has cut the number of nurses. The number of

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clinical staff in our NHS since this government came to power has

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gone up. The number of managers is significantly down. But as my right

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honourable friend the Health Secretary said, we are not in the

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slightest bit complacent. There are parts of our NHS where standards of

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care and standards of nursing are not acceptable. That is why we are

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introducing things like the friends and family test, to make sure that

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all hospitals, to the highest standards of the best. Following

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the publication of the Leveson report last week, does my right

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honourable friend agree that what we need is a strong, independent

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regulator, preferably without statutory underpinning? I think it

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is a moment when we should try and maximise the amount of consensus

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that they raised in this House and in the country about what is

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required. I think everyone agrees we need strong, independent

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regulation along the lines Leveson suggests. Everyone agrees we need

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million-pound fines. Everyone agrees prominent apologies,

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independently handled complaints. This is vital. I've been encouraged

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by the meetings I've had with editors of national newspapers that

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they will put in place that compliant regulation. I wish to

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continue the cross-party talks and make sure we can deliver a

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regulatory system which this House, this country but, above all, the

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victims can be proud. Let me join the Prime Minister in

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congratulating the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on their very happy

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news. They have the best wishes not just of his house but of the whole

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country. The Conservative Party manifesto published in 20th April

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10 said, I quote, we will increase health spending in real terms every

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year. At the head of the statistics Authority says clearly and

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unequivocally that hasn't happened. What is today's excuse? This

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government is putting �12.6 billion extra into the NHS. Let me quote in

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the figures directly from the head of the Office of National

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Statistics. In real terms, spending in 2010 was 104.2 billion in real

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terms. In 2011, it was 104.3 billion. That is a real-terms

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increase. There will be further real-terms increases in 2012, 2013,

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2014, whereas there would be cuts under Labour. Let me just say to

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the Prime Minister that even by his standards that was the most

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slippery answer that could possibly happen. It is unbelievable. He has

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come to this House 26 times since he became Prime Minister and

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boasted about how he is increasing health spending every year of this

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Parliament. He has failed to meet the promise. It's not an argument

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between me and him. We have a ruling from the chair of the

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independent UK statistics authority who says it hasn't happened, and I

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should be grateful if the Department of Health could clarify

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the statements made. Instead of his usual bluster, why doesn't he just

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correct the record? It's a very simple point. The spending figures

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for 2010 were set by the last Labour government. Those are the

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figures we inherited. All the right honourable gentleman is doing is

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proving that his government was planning for an NHS cut. And we

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have taken that figure in 2010. We have increased it in 2011 and we

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will increase it again in every year of this Parliament. People

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don't have to look at manifestos for a contrast. They can look at

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what Labour is doing in Wales. The Labour Party is in charge in Wales

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and they have cut the NHS in Wales by 8%. As a result, waiting times

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are up, waiting lists are down, quality is down. That is what you

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get with Labour and the NHS. knows the reality, which is that he

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made a promise, there's no point in him shaking his head and getting

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annoyed, he made a promise that he would keep the NHS budget rising in

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real terms every year of the parliament. Labour's plan that we

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set out at the election was to increase the health budget in 2010

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to 2011, and he cut the budget. He knows the reality. Let me give him

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one more opportunity. He made a solemn promise to the British

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people for year-on-year increases in the health budget including in

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2010 to 2011. He failed to meet the promise. Why don't you just admit

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it? I don't know that I need to remind the right honourable

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gentleman be general election was after the 2010 year had begun. This

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was Labour's plan. What we have done is increasing every year. If

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he doesn't believe that, perhaps he'd listen to the Labour health

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secretary who gave an interview in the New Statesman when he said this

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about the Tories. They are not ring-fencing it, they are

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increasing it. Cameron has been saying it every week in the Commons.

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Oh, the Shadow Health Secretary wants to spend less on health and

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us. Question, which is true, isn't it? Yes, it's true. That's my point.

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Confirmed. It is official. Labour want to cut our NHS. It would never

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be safe with them again. No, the reality is... My right honourable

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friend left a rising health budget and this Prime Minister could do it.

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That is the reality. Let me try him on another fact which I'm sure

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he'll be able to give to the House. Can you tell us how big an income

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tax could he is giving next April to people earning over �1 million a

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year, as a result of the reduction in the top rate of tax? I'm not

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surprised he wants to get of Health... That was the biggest own-

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goal I think I've ever seen. On the issue of the top rate of tax, when

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his government put the top rate of tax up to 50p, what it actually

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meant was many fewer millionaires paid that operate. As a result, the

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tax take suffered by �7 billion. I would remind him that under this

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government the top rate of tax will be high in every year than any year

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it was when he was working in the Treasury. I will give him the

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answers. Next April, everyone earning over �1 million will have a

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tax cut of �107,000 a year. It is no good the Deputy Prime Minister

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shouting from a central position, he went along with it! The party of

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Lloyd George. He went along with it. He hasn't kept his promise on all

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being in it together. Let's ask him about his central promise. Two

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years ago he said that by 2015, I quote, we will have balanced the

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books. Can he explain why he is so badly failing to keep that promise?

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Let me give him the figures on the top rate of tax because it is

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important. In 2009-2010 there were 16,000 people earning more than 1

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million, with a tax liability of 13 billion. When the rate went up in

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2011, this plummeted to 6000 people. So therefore, because of his

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election gambit 50p, it cost the country �7 billion. When it is he

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going to realise setting tax rates is about raising money not about

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punishing success? That's what we need to understand. In terms of the

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deficit, we have cut the budget deficit by 20 % -- 25 %. They'll be

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getting an of -- update on progress in a minute. But how can you deal

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with a borrowing problem by pledging to borrow more? Let's just

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be clear about his answer on 50 P. The answer to the problem of tax

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avoidance is to give the people doing it a tax cut. That is the

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answer he gave up. Give them a big giveaway. The reality of Prime

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Minister couldn't get away from, the deficit is going up not down on

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his watch. We all remember the posters, with his airbrushed face

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saving, I'll cut the deficit not the NHS. The facts speak for

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themselves. He has cut the NHS and he is not cutting the deficit.

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is 100 % wrong. We are increasing spending on the NHS and cutting the

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deficit. We have cut the deficit by 25 %. They Iraq 1 million more

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private sector jobs. Businesses are starting up at a higher rate than

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at any time in our history. This economy is on the right track. We

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are equipping Britain for the global race. Unlike the party

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opposite, we are on the side of people who work hard and want to do

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the right thing. And what is his answer? More borrowing, more

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spending, more of the things that got us into the mess in the first

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place. Mr Speaker, three years ago the NHS spent �500 million on

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Tamiflu without having seen all the data on effectiveness or safety.

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Given that far from being an isolated case, it is normal for the

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drugs industry to have almost complete control over the evidence

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based upon which crucial decisions are made, will the Prime Minister

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ask them to make available the full clinical reports on Tamiflu, so

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that doctors, patients and My honourable friend has excellent

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work on behalf of the taxpayer through the very good questions and

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work that he does. He raises the issue not only because of the cost

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to the taxpayer, but also because of possible overstatement of

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benefits to patients. There does need to be more transparency in

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clinical trials data. We are committed to making sure that

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happens. The European Medicines Agency's work is supported on this.

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From next year there will be a legal requirement to publish

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reports from clinical trials. week, we learned that, despite

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assurances and exhaustive checks that were taking place, that the UK

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border agency made minimal checks to trace 124,000 asylum seekers and

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migrants with 150 boxes left unopened. Does this not show that

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the 20% cuts to the Border Agency has put at risk our efforts to

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secure our borders? First of all, I think this is a week to recognise

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the fact that we said we would cut immigration and net immigration is

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down by 25% under this government. I want us to do far better in terms

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of chasing down illegal overstayers and illegal migrants. Good work is

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being done there, also involving private sector organisations

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finding these people. Yes, we had to make reductions in the Border

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Agency budget, as we did because all budgets. But he should have

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noticed that government is about, these days, getting more for less.

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The Prime Minister will be aware that Portsmouth has been the home

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of the Royal Navy and a working dockyard for over 500 years. Given

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that the Business Secretary appears to have prejudged a study into the

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future of shipbuilding, what reassurance can the Prime Minister

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give me and 1500 shipbuilders that Portsmouth will remain integral to

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the Bill Bernard export of warships and to the base port of our Future

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The right honourable lady quite rightly speaks up for Portsmouth,

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which is and will continue to be an excellent home for the Royal Navy.

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Whatever decision is taken on the future of shipbuilding, the Navy

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will remain a major employer in the city, not least once the new

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carriers arrived in a few months' time. I am sure she will also

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welcome the announced enterprise zone on the Peninsula, which could

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create 1200 jobs. In June 2010, the Prime Minister said that, despite

:47:33.:47:37.

the Government's deficit reduction plan, he would ensure that there

:47:37.:47:42.

was, and I quote, no increase in child poverty. Does he still

:47:42.:47:46.

standby that assurance? The we are doing everything we can to tackle

:47:46.:47:53.

child poverty and child poverty, on some estimates, has come down. The

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point we specifically did is that we increased the element of the

:47:57.:48:02.

child tax credit that goes to the poorest families. In the wake of

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the criminal convictions of the staff who repeatedly abused people

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living at Winterbourne View Hospital, is it not time that those

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who take the fees, are employed a staff and supervise those staff are

:48:13.:48:17.

themselves held to account with a new offence of corporate neglect?

:48:17.:48:21.

Well, I listened very carefully to the point my right honourable

:48:21.:48:25.

friend makes. There have been some appalling incidents of completely

:48:25.:48:30.

unacceptable levels of care. People in those organisations are fully

:48:30.:48:34.

subject to the law, as they should be. If the law has been broken,

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that proper consequences should follow. Mr Speaker, one of the

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greatest issues in my area, in my constituency, and all of the United

:48:45.:48:50.

Kingdom, is the price of electricity. Could the Prime

:48:50.:48:53.

Minister tell the House what action he is taking to mitigate spiralling

:48:53.:48:57.

costs, especially in Northern Ireland? For consumers, we have

:48:57.:49:01.

announced our plans to make sure that companies put people on the

:49:01.:49:04.

lowest tariff, which I think is warmly welcomed across the House

:49:04.:49:07.

and the country. In terms of business, where there is an issue

:49:08.:49:11.

with energy-intensive industries, the Government has announced an

:49:11.:49:15.

intention to exempt those industries from the cost of

:49:15.:49:19.

differences and a reform. That is subject to consultation, but I

:49:19.:49:23.

think it shows that the Government is working hard to help those

:49:23.:49:26.

industries and make sure that they continue to compete and succeed in

:49:26.:49:31.

Britain. The whole house does indeed join with the Prime Minister

:49:31.:49:34.

and congratulating the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on their

:49:34.:49:39.

excellent good news. Will the Prime Minister please confirm to the

:49:39.:49:43.

House that the Commonwealth has, at last, after many of us have been

:49:43.:49:48.

asking for this for years, at last agreed to change the rules on royal

:49:48.:49:53.

succession? Will the Prime Minister undertake to bring before the House

:49:53.:49:59.

a bill very soon so that if this baby is a girl she can follow in

:49:59.:50:02.

the footsteps of her much-loved great-grandmother and become our

:50:02.:50:09.

Queen? I am very grateful to my Honourable Friend for her question.

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I think I can answer positively on all the points that she made. At

:50:13.:50:16.

the Perth Commonwealth conference I chaired a meeting of the Prime

:50:16.:50:20.

Ministers of all of the different realms. We agreed we and should

:50:20.:50:23.

bring forward legislation to deal with this issue. All of the realms

:50:23.:50:27.

have agreed to do this. We will be introducing legislation into this

:50:28.:50:32.

house very shortly. It will write down in law what we agreed in 2011,

:50:32.:50:36.

that if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's first child is a girl,

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she can one day be Allah Queen. That is the key point. It's

:50:41.:50:45.

important to explain that the changes will apply to a child born

:50:45.:50:50.

after that date of the announcement last year, even if the bird is

:50:50.:50:53.

before the legislation is passed. I hope it will not take long,

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certainly not nine months, but just in case there would not be a

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I welcome the Government commitment to increase efforts to tackle tax

:51:04.:51:14.
:51:14.:51:15.

avoidance. Starbucks has now caved in to public pressure and announced

:51:15.:51:21.

that it will review the tax arrangements in the UK. Clearly,

:51:21.:51:28.

naming and shaming works. Surely it is time to stop companies engaged

:51:28.:51:35.

in tax-avoidance from hiding behind taxpayer confidentiality? Will the

:51:35.:51:39.

Prime Minister now committed to publishing the names of those

:51:39.:51:44.

companies found by HMRC to have avoided paying their fair share of

:51:44.:51:51.

I very much welcome the right honourable lady's initiative on

:51:51.:51:58.

this and what her committee is looking at. I thank her for their

:51:58.:52:04.

warm words of support. We have recovered revenues from large

:52:04.:52:08.

businesses in the last six years, including �4 billion in the last

:52:08.:52:14.

four years from these transfer requiring systems alone, one of the

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issues covered in such detail in the press. I am committed to doing

:52:17.:52:20.

all we can to look at the options to make sure that companies pay

:52:20.:52:24.

taxes properly. I agree with what she said about public and even some

:52:24.:52:28.

political pressure. On some occasions, I myself have made one

:52:28.:52:33.

or two remarks that were seen as controversial. I think it's

:52:33.:52:36.

important that people feel they meet their responsibilities and pay

:52:37.:52:40.

their taxes. Will my right honourable friend do everything he

:52:40.:52:46.

can to ensure that education, health and social services work

:52:46.:52:52.

together to jointly commission services that will make sure that

:52:52.:52:55.

the much welcome reforms in the children and families bill will be

:52:55.:53:01.

workable on the ground? Honourable Friend makes a very

:53:01.:53:05.

important point. We need to get away from the idea of government or

:53:05.:53:07.

local government operating in silos with different budgets and

:53:07.:53:11.

different apartments not working together. I know that representing

:53:11.:53:14.

Swindon, as he does, Swindon Borough Council has to get huge

:53:14.:53:19.

steps in bringing agencies together and working in the area of problem

:53:19.:53:24.

families. I commend them for the work that they do. Whatever

:53:24.:53:28.

announcements the Chancellor makes on pension tax relief in 30

:53:28.:53:33.

minutes' time, is it not a fact that when this government came to

:53:33.:53:37.

power its changes to pension tax relief gave a tax cut of �1.6

:53:37.:53:42.

billion to people earning more than �150,000? I see the Chancellor has

:53:42.:53:47.

to give the Prime Minister his crib sheet. I'm afraid the Honourable

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Lady is wrong. We inherited a plan to raise �4 billion from the

:53:51.:53:56.

wealthiest people in terms of taxes. We raised about �4 billion. My

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right honourable friend will be making further announcement in a

:53:59.:54:04.

moment. The north-east of Scotland makes a major contribution to the

:54:05.:54:09.

UK economy through the offshore oil and gas industry. Will the Prime

:54:09.:54:12.

Minister commit himself to maximising investment in that

:54:12.:54:16.

industry so that we get the maximum number of jobs, energy security and

:54:16.:54:21.

taxation for the future of this country? My honourable friend quite

:54:21.:54:26.

rightly speaks are for the North Sea industry and for everyone who

:54:26.:54:30.

works in it in Scotland. I have been incredibly impressed, when I

:54:30.:54:33.

visited Aberdeen, to see the health and wealth generated by that

:54:33.:54:37.

industry. What we have done on decommissioning and new field

:54:37.:54:41.

allowances, I think, has helped brings uncertainty. We should keep

:54:41.:54:44.

working on that to make sure that we recover as much oil and gas from

:54:44.:54:47.

the North Sea as possible and make the most of this precious natural

:54:47.:54:56.

asset. 7000 fewer nurses, longer waits in accident and emergency,

:54:56.:55:01.

hospitals, according to Dr Foster, told to bursting. The Prime

:55:01.:55:05.

Minister is cutting the NHS while the deficit rises. Will he put that

:55:05.:55:10.

on his posters for the next generation? -- election? I think he

:55:10.:55:16.

was describing the situation in Wales, when Labour had put in place

:55:16.:55:23.

an 8% cut. Let me tell him what is happening in the NHS in England. We

:55:23.:55:26.

have 1350 extra clinical staff. We have taken down the number of

:55:26.:55:32.

managers by 6700. Mixed-sex accommodation is right down. The

:55:32.:55:35.

Cancer Drugs Fund is making sure many more people get access to

:55:35.:55:39.

those drugs. Waiting times are down, the number of people waiting a long

:55:39.:55:43.

time is down. The number of people waiting longer than 52 weeks to

:55:43.:55:46.

start treatment is at its lowest level since records began. He

:55:46.:55:50.

should be supporting his government for its health policy and telling

:55:50.:55:57.

his front bench to stop cutting the NHS. Does my right honourable

:55:57.:56:00.

Friend recall receiving a visit at number 10 from the pupils of market

:56:00.:56:06.

feel special school, whose school had become nicknamed shared city,

:56:06.:56:13.

there were so many demountables on aside? Does he share my delight

:56:13.:56:18.

that the County Council has assigned funds to build a new

:56:18.:56:22.

school, and may I thank him for his support on that campaign? I am

:56:22.:56:27.

grateful to my Honourable Friend for his question. I am a big

:56:27.:56:30.

supporter of Britain's schools. I think they provide a vital service

:56:30.:56:33.

for parents and children with special needs. Sometimes quite

:56:33.:56:37.

acute needs. I am proud of the fact that his government has invested in

:56:37.:56:40.

special schools and they are doing such a good job, including in his

:56:40.:56:47.

constituency. Following the Government's new funding formulas

:56:47.:56:51.

for universities this year, student numbers drop to, or student

:56:51.:56:56.

admissions dropped, by over 50,000. My own local university,

:56:56.:57:02.

Wolverhampton, despite meeting its targets, suffered a drop in

:57:02.:57:07.

allocation and has been told that there will be another cut next year.

:57:07.:57:11.

What guarantees can the Prime Minister gave that universities

:57:11.:57:15.

such as Wolverhampton will not suffer year on year reduction in

:57:15.:57:20.

student numbers as a result of this new formula? The whole point is

:57:20.:57:23.

that his government took difficult decisions to make sure that we

:57:23.:57:27.

could maintain the numbers of people going to our universities.

:57:27.:57:30.

Really, the question goes right back to the party opposite. If you

:57:30.:57:35.

don't support a proper system of student contributions, how on a

:57:35.:57:38.

earth are you going to pay for universities? We have set out our

:57:38.:57:43.

plans. They are actually working well. You don't start paying that

:57:43.:57:46.

money until you in �21,000. You don't start paying back in full

:57:46.:57:51.

until you are paying �35,000. We have a method for making sure we

:57:51.:57:57.

invest in universities, the party opposite hasn't got a clue. Niaomi

:57:57.:58:00.

House's Children's Hospice, which serves my constituency, receives

:58:00.:58:03.

just 10% of funding from the Department of Health. That is

:58:03.:58:07.

different from adult hospices, which receive rather more. This is

:58:07.:58:13.

especially difficult, as they have to pay for all of their

:58:13.:58:15.

prescriptions as private institutions. Will the Prime

:58:15.:58:19.

Minister look again at the reasons for the different treatment of

:58:19.:58:25.

children and adult hospices and meet with me and the hospice's

:58:25.:58:29.

professor to discuss the different funding levels? I'm happy to

:58:29.:58:34.

discuss the issue with my honourable friend. For many years,

:58:34.:58:38.

my family used Day Hospice in Oxford that got no state support at

:58:38.:58:42.

all. What this government has done is continue with the �10 billion

:58:42.:58:45.

annually to support children's hospices. This year, we have added

:58:45.:58:50.

an extra �720,000. What we want to put in place and what we are

:58:50.:58:54.

discussing with the providers of both adult and children's hospices

:58:54.:59:00.

is a system for eight per patient funding system that would be for

:59:00.:59:04.

all hospices. I think that would bring better logic and consistency

:59:04.:59:08.

for how we support this essential part of our health service and, I

:59:08.:59:14.

would argue, our Big Society. the Prime Minister aware that Abbas

:59:14.:59:18.

and turned over �3.3 billion in the UK this year, paid not a single

:59:18.:59:23.

penny in corporation tax, but at the same time were rewarded with a

:59:23.:59:27.

�10 million grant from the SNP's Scottish government? Doesn't this

:59:27.:59:30.

demonstrate that both our Prime Minister and First Minister stand

:59:30.:59:34.

up for the wrong people? When will this government move away from

:59:34.:59:38.

punishing the poorest in society and focus on those that abide and

:59:38.:59:48.
:59:48.:59:50.

We want these large multinational companies to pay proper taxes here

:59:50.:59:54.

in the UK. We believe that you do that by having low tax rates, and

:59:54.:59:58.

by making sure they declare their income properly. That's why it on

:59:58.:00:02.

this specific issue of transfer payments, where some companies have

:00:02.:00:07.

been pursuing rather strange practices to pretend that their

:00:07.:00:10.

revenues aren't delivered here in the UK and run down their tax bills.

:00:10.:00:14.

In the last four years we've recovered �4 billion in tax revenue

:00:14.:00:24.
:00:24.:00:24.

in this way. The HMRC knows there is very much more we can do.

:00:24.:00:26.

Residents in Southwark council were very excited when the Energy Bill

:00:26.:00:29.

was published last week, because it now gives a potential green light

:00:29.:00:33.

to the building of Sizewell C nuclear power station, with many

:00:33.:00:37.

jobs. Will the Prime Minister commit to continuing to invest in

:00:37.:00:41.

apprenticeships and skills training, so that Suffolk people can get the

:00:41.:00:47.

jobs that are created? She is right. The entry of the Energy Bill to

:00:47.:00:50.

Parliament means we can get out there and sell to all of the energy

:00:50.:00:54.

companies the very clear and stable framework that the UK has for

:00:54.:00:59.

offshore wind, nuclear, renewables and Pugaca. I think it's a very

:00:59.:01:03.

positive development. There's a huge amount of potential, pent-up

:01:03.:01:06.

investment. We need to make sure that that results in British jobs

:01:06.:01:09.

and apprenticeships and the government is fully committed to

:01:09.:01:13.

making that happen. The Prime Minister obviously believes that

:01:13.:01:16.

within the Leveson report there lurks something which is bonkers.

:01:16.:01:20.

Given that, how would the Prime Minister characterise the views of

:01:20.:01:23.

his Planning Minister, who has just said that over the coming months

:01:23.:01:27.

and years, tens of thousands of new homes will have to be built on

:01:27.:01:32.

greenfield sites? The point I make about, let me deal with the

:01:32.:01:36.

planning minister first, yes, we should build on brownfield land,

:01:36.:01:40.

yes, we should try and deal with the problem of empty homes. But we

:01:40.:01:42.

do have to have a frank conversation about the need to

:01:42.:01:47.

build more flats and houses, so we don't have the current situation we

:01:47.:01:51.

have where if you don't have the help from the Bank of mum and dad,

:01:51.:01:54.

people are in their mid-thirties before buying their first home. I

:01:54.:01:58.

don't think that is acceptable. All credit to the Planning Minister for

:01:58.:02:02.

trying to fix this problem. On the issue of the Leveson report, I

:02:02.:02:05.

think there is a wide degree of agreement about what a new

:02:05.:02:08.

regulatory system ought to look like. It is set out there in black

:02:08.:02:12.

and white. We need to challenge the press to introduce it. If they

:02:12.:02:18.

don't then we would have to take further action. With more men in

:02:18.:02:21.

work than ever before, with more women in work than ever before,

:02:21.:02:27.

with a deficit cut by 25 % and interest rates at historic lows,

:02:27.:02:31.

does my right honourable friend not agree with me that the opposition

:02:31.:02:39.

Danby, code for more debt, would jeopardise all those achievements?

:02:39.:02:43.

-- Plan B. We are making progress. Of course it is tough when there

:02:43.:02:47.

are so many economic head wins against us. But a million more

:02:47.:02:51.

private sector jobs, the deficit down by 25 %, a record number of

:02:51.:02:55.

businesses started up last year. Plan B stands for bankruptcy. That

:02:55.:03:05.
:03:05.:03:07.

is what Labour would give us. universal health care system free

:03:07.:03:11.

at the point of delivery is what the overwhelming majority of the

:03:11.:03:16.

British people want. Something which I remained firmly committed

:03:16.:03:22.

to. However, there are increasing complaints about nurses who failed

:03:22.:03:28.

to show care and compassion to their patients. What exactly will

:03:28.:03:33.

the Prime Minister do about that? The honourable lady speaks for the

:03:33.:03:36.

whole house and the whole country in raising this issue. I know how

:03:36.:03:40.

painful it must have been with what she has witnessed in her own life

:03:40.:03:45.

and with her own family. I am, as she is, a massive fan of our

:03:46.:03:48.

National Health Service, an enormous fan of the factor is free

:03:48.:03:52.

at the point of use, that you don't produce a credit card when you go

:03:52.:03:55.

to hospital or start my own family has had extraordinary care through

:03:55.:04:00.

our NHS. But we don't do our NHS or nurses any favours if we don't. Out

:04:00.:04:03.

there are some very real problems in parts of our health and care

:04:03.:04:09.

systems. As a constituency MP, I see quite a few letters from people,

:04:09.:04:12.

particularly elder -- elderly people and their relatives, who are

:04:12.:04:16.

not getting the sort of care that is appropriate. I set up a forum

:04:16.:04:20.

that I have attended myself to discuss with nurses and nurse

:04:20.:04:24.

leaders these issues. There is no magic wand, but some simple steps

:04:24.:04:29.

like asking every hospital to carry out a friends and family test.

:04:29.:04:32.

Asking the patients and staff, would you be happy for your family

:04:32.:04:36.

or friends to be treated in this hospital? That can make a real

:04:36.:04:42.

difference. The idea that four elderly patients and this should be

:04:42.:04:45.

there by your bedside once an hour, checking that UCATT water,

:04:45.:04:48.

something to eat, you haven't got bedsores and are properly looked

:04:48.:04:52.

after. We shouldn't have to dictate these things. I think a proper

:04:52.:04:57.

conversation with our nurses, who are angels by the vast degree, can

:04:57.:05:02.

get this sort it out for all our relatives. Order. Statement, the

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:05:12.:05:15.

Mr Speaker, it has taken time but the British economy is healing.

:05:15.:05:21.

After the biggest financial crash of our lifetimes, people know that

:05:21.:05:28.

we face deep-seated problems at home and abroad. At home we live

:05:28.:05:33.

with the decade of debt and the failure to equip Britain to compete

:05:33.:05:39.

in the modern world. And we face a multitude of problems from abroad.

:05:39.:05:45.

The US fiscal Cliff, the slowing growth in China. Above all, the

:05:45.:05:50.

eurozone are now in recession. People know that there are no quick

:05:50.:05:55.

fixes to these problems are. But they want to know that we're making

:05:55.:05:59.

progress. The message from today's Autumn Statement is that we are

:05:59.:06:05.

making progress. It is a hard road but we are getting there. Britain

:06:05.:06:13.

is on the right track. Can I ask the Chancellor to resume his seat?

:06:13.:06:18.

Let's be clear, each side should be heard with courtesy. A house does

:06:18.:06:23.

well enough by now that I will afford a very full opportunity for

:06:23.:06:27.

questioning of the Chancellor. But the more interruption, the greater

:06:27.:06:32.

the noise, the longer the session will take, and that cannot be right.

:06:32.:06:36.

I appeal to members pleased to give the Chancellor a courteous hearing,

:06:36.:06:41.

as indeed if it becomes necessary I will appeal to government

:06:41.:06:44.

backbenchers to afford a fair hearing to the Shadow Chancellor.

:06:44.:06:54.
:06:54.:06:54.

That is how it should be. The Britain is on the right track.

:06:54.:06:59.

Turning back now would be a disaster. We have much more to do.

:06:59.:07:05.

The deficit has fallen by a quarter in just two years. And today's

:07:05.:07:12.

figures show it is forecast to continue to fall. Exports of goods

:07:12.:07:15.

to the major emerging economies, which were pitifully low, have

:07:15.:07:21.

doubled since 2009. Since this Coalition government came to office,

:07:21.:07:28.

1.2 million new jobs have been created in the private sector. In a

:07:28.:07:32.

world economy where bond investors are fleeing countries they regard

:07:32.:07:37.

as whisky, Investment is flowing into UK gilts, instead of flying

:07:37.:07:43.

from them. We have to keep it that way. Two years ago, Britain was in

:07:43.:07:47.

no danger zone. Now we are seen as one of the safe havens, able to

:07:47.:07:50.

borrow money at lower interest rates than at any time in our

:07:50.:07:59.

history. And today's forecast shows a �33 billion saving on the debt

:07:59.:08:04.

interest payments it was predicted we would have to pay two years ago.

:08:04.:08:10.

That is as much as the entire defence budget. Which is why in

:08:10.:08:13.

this autumn statement we show that his Coalition government is

:08:13.:08:18.

confronting the country's problems instead of ducking them. Today, we

:08:18.:08:22.

reaffirm our commitment to reducing the deficit, setting out the

:08:22.:08:28.

details of our spending plans for 2015-2016, and rolling forward an

:08:28.:08:35.

outline framework into 2017-2018. We show our determination to do

:08:35.:08:38.

this fairly, with further savings from bureaucracy, from the benefits

:08:38.:08:43.

bill and from the better off. We go one the equipping Britain to

:08:43.:08:46.

succeed in the global race by switching from current spending to

:08:46.:08:53.

Capital Investment in science, roads and education. We offer a new

:08:53.:08:56.

support for business and enterprise, so that they can create the jobs we

:08:56.:09:00.

need. In everything we do, we will show today we are on the side of

:09:00.:09:07.

those who want to work hard and get on. The Office for budget

:09:07.:09:12.

Responsibility has today produced its latest economic forecast. It is

:09:12.:09:16.

a measure of the constitutional achievement that it is taken for

:09:16.:09:21.

granted there are countries -- that Arab countries forecasters now

:09:21.:09:23.

produced independently of the Treasury, free from the political

:09:24.:09:29.

interference of the past. I want to thank Robert Chote, his fellow

:09:29.:09:33.

members of the Budget Responsibility Committee and all

:09:33.:09:38.

their staff at the OBR for their rigorous approach. One of the

:09:38.:09:42.

advantages of the creation of the OBR is that not only do we get

:09:42.:09:45.

independent forecasts, we also get an independent explanation of why

:09:45.:09:52.

the forecasts are as they are. If, for example, lower growth was the

:09:52.:09:56.

result of the Government's fiscal policy, they would say so. But they

:09:56.:10:00.

do not. They say the economy has performed less strongly than

:10:00.:10:09.

expected. They forecast growth this year of minus 0.1 %. These are

:10:09.:10:13.

their words, the weaker than expected growth can be more than

:10:13.:10:17.

accounted for by over-optimism regarding net trade. Because the

:10:17.:10:21.

OBR has previously assumed that the eurozone would begin to recover in

:10:21.:10:26.

the second half of this year. Instead, it has continued to

:10:26.:10:31.

contract. That has hit our exports to these markets and the net trade

:10:31.:10:36.

numbers. The eurozone crisis has also, the OBR say, spilled over

:10:36.:10:41.

into tighter credit conditions and elevated UK bank funding costs. And

:10:41.:10:44.

in their words, these problems will constrain growth for several years

:10:44.:10:49.

to come. There are domestic problems, too, that they referred

:10:49.:10:56.

to. In the report today, the contraction in 2008-2009 is now

:10:56.:11:01.

assessed to be deeper than previously thought, with GDP

:11:01.:11:08.

shrinking by a staggering 6.3 %. A lot just a shock to our economy

:11:08.:11:14.

since the Second World War. -- the largest shock. The aftermath of

:11:14.:11:17.

this shock continues to weigh on the productivity of the UK economy,

:11:17.:11:21.

with credit rationing and impaired financial markets potentially

:11:21.:11:25.

impeding the expansion of successful firms. They say the GDP

:11:25.:11:29.

growth is now expected to be lower in every year of the forecast

:11:29.:11:33.

period, as credit conditions take longer to normalise and global

:11:33.:11:37.

growth remains, in their words, weaker than previously expected. As

:11:37.:11:43.

a result, the OBR forecast that the economy will grow by 1.2 % next

:11:43.:11:53.
:11:53.:11:54.

year, then 2% in 2014, 2.3 % in 2015, 2.7 % in 2016 and 2.8 % in

:11:54.:11:58.

2017. So the economy is recovering and it is recovering more quickly

:11:58.:12:03.

than many of our neighbours. The IMF estimates that the UK next year

:12:03.:12:08.

will grow more strongly than either France or Germany. Are credible

:12:08.:12:13.

fiscal policy allows for supported monetary policy. With the Bank of

:12:13.:12:18.

England we are directly addressing the problems of tight credit

:12:18.:12:21.

through the �70 billion funding for lending scheme. In the OBR's view

:12:21.:12:26.

today, this has reduced UK bank funding costs, lower interest rates

:12:26.:12:32.

in the real economy and will add to the level of real GDP. One area

:12:32.:12:35.

where the British economy has done much better than forecast is in

:12:35.:12:40.

creating jobs. Since early 2010, the private sector has created 1.2

:12:40.:12:47.

million new jobs, 600,000 more than was predicted. Youth unemployment

:12:47.:12:53.

has been falling. Instead of peaking at 8.7 %, the OBR now

:12:53.:12:57.

expect unemployment to peak at 8.3 %. This at a time when the

:12:57.:13:03.

unemployment rate in Spain is 26 %, in France it is almost 11 % and

:13:03.:13:08.

across the whole eurozone it is almost 12 %. Employment, already at

:13:08.:13:13.

a record high, is set to go on rising each year of the forecast.

:13:13.:13:17.

Everyone jobless in the public sector, two new jobs are expected

:13:17.:13:21.

to be created in the private sector. Britain now has a greater

:13:22.:13:26.

proportion of its people in work than either the eurozone or the

:13:26.:13:33.

United States of America. More jobs means that the impact of the weaker

:13:33.:13:36.

than forecast GDP on the public finances has been less than some

:13:36.:13:41.

might have expected. They have been three developments that have each

:13:41.:13:48.

had a significant one-off impact on the public finances. In the report

:13:48.:13:51.

today we publish clearly and transparently the impact of all

:13:51.:13:55.

three. First, there is the transfer of the Royal Mail pension fund to

:13:55.:13:59.

the public sector as part of its privatisation. This produces a one-

:13:59.:14:03.

off reduction in the deficit of �28 billion this year, but it adds to

:14:03.:14:08.

the deficit in the years after. Second, the previous government had

:14:08.:14:11.

classified Bradford & Bingley and Northern Rock Asset Management as

:14:11.:14:16.

off-balance sheet. Today it is brought on balance sheet, in line

:14:16.:14:21.

with the judgment of the Office for National Statistics. This adds

:14:21.:14:25.

around �70 billion to our national debt and reminds us of the price

:14:25.:14:30.

the country is still paying for the failures of the past. Third, the

:14:30.:14:38.

government has decided, with the agreement of the Bank of England,

:14:38.:14:42.

to transfer excess cash held in the asset purchase facility to the

:14:42.:14:47.

Exchequer. This is sensible cash management. It is in line with the

:14:47.:14:51.

approach of the Bank of Japan and the US Federal Reserve. I welcome

:14:51.:14:56.

the OBR's verdict that this is, in their words, more transparent than

:14:56.:14:59.

the previous approach. I want to make sure its impact on the figures

:14:59.:15:03.

is also completely transparent, so we have today publish the forecast

:15:03.:15:09.

for the public finances with and without the impact of the HPF

:15:09.:15:15.

decision. When we came to office, the deficit stood at 11.2 % - the

:15:15.:15:19.

highest in our peacetime history. It was forecast to be the largest

:15:19.:15:22.

of any major economy in the world. In the last two years the deficit

:15:22.:15:28.

has fallen by a quarter. Today's figures show that with or without

:15:28.:15:33.

the coupons, the deficit is forecast to fall this year as well.

:15:33.:15:39.

And cash borrowing is forecast to fall, too. Last year the deficit

:15:39.:15:45.

was 7.9 %. This year, with the coupons, it is forecast to be 6.9 %,

:15:45.:15:49.

but that excludes the impact of the Royal Mail pension assets. It is

:15:49.:15:53.

falling and will continue to fall each and every year to 6.1 % next

:15:53.:16:00.

year, 5.2 % the year after, for 0.2 % in 2015 to 2016, then 2.6 %

:16:00.:16:10.
:16:10.:16:11.

before reaching 1.6 % in 2017-2018. In 2009-2010, the country was

:16:11.:16:16.

borrowing �159 billion. This year we are borrowing �108 billion. That

:16:16.:16:23.

is forecast to fall to 99 billion next year, 88 billion a year after

:16:23.:16:29.

then 73 billion in 2015 to 2016 and 49,000,000,030 1 billion in the two

:16:29.:16:32.

years after that. These are the central forecasts published by the

:16:32.:16:38.

Op Art, with the asset purchase facility cash transfer included.

:16:38.:16:45.

When the transfer is excluded. The deficit also false. From 7.9 % last

:16:45.:16:50.

year to 7.7 % this year, then 6.9 % next year, and also in every single

:16:50.:17:00.
:17:00.:17:02.

year after that. Cash borrowing There are those who have been

:17:02.:17:07.

saying that the deficit was going up this year. Indeed, I think I

:17:07.:17:11.

heard it in Prime Minister's questions, but anyway you present

:17:11.:17:15.

the figures, this is not what the forecasts show today from the OBR.

:17:15.:17:20.

They say that the deficit is coming down. Coming down this year and

:17:20.:17:25.

every year of this Parliament. Yes, the deficit is still far too high

:17:25.:17:29.

for comfort. We cannot relax our efforts to make our economy safe.

:17:29.:17:36.

But Britain is heading in the right direction. The road is hard, but we

:17:36.:17:42.

are making progress. Mr Speaker, unlike the previous Government's

:17:42.:17:46.

golden rule, the regime means that the Chancellor is no longer judge

:17:46.:17:50.

and jury of their own fiscal rules and the OBR have assessed thus

:17:50.:17:55.

against those rules. First, the fiscal mandate. This is the

:17:55.:17:59.

commitment that we will balance the adjusted current budget over the

:17:59.:18:03.

coming five years. I can tell the House that the OBR have assessed we

:18:03.:18:07.

are in their words, on course, to meet our fiscal mandate. In other

:18:07.:18:15.

words, we have a better-than-50% chance of -- a better than 50%

:18:15.:18:22.

chance of relimb nating our -- eliminating our deficit. This is

:18:22.:18:26.

true with or without the transfer of coupons, so we'll meet the

:18:26.:18:30.

mandate, but the OBR assessed in their central forecast that we do

:18:31.:18:34.

not meet the supplementary objective that aims to have debt

:18:34.:18:39.

falling by 2015/16. The point at which debt starts to fall has been

:18:39.:18:46.

delayed by one year. The OBR's central forecast is that net debt

:18:46.:18:56.
:18:56.:18:59.

will be 7 7.4% this year and 79% in 2014/15 and lower before falling to

:18:59.:19:07.

79.2% in 2016/17. And 77.3% in 2017/18. In short, the tougher

:19:07.:19:11.

economic conditions mean that while our deficit is forecast to go on

:19:11.:19:14.

falling, instead of taking three years to get our debt falling, it's

:19:14.:19:21.

going to take four. Mr Speaker, confronted with this news, some say

:19:21.:19:26.

we should abandon our deficit plan and try to borrow more. They think

:19:26.:19:32.

by borrowing more we can borrow less. That would risk higher

:19:32.:19:35.

interest rates, more debt interest payments and a complete loss of

:19:35.:19:39.

Britain's fiscal credibility. We are not taking that road to ruin.

:19:39.:19:43.

Now, then there are those who say that despite all that has happened

:19:43.:19:49.

in the world this year, we should cut even more now to hit the debt

:19:49.:19:53.

target. That would require �17 billion of extra cuts a year, and

:19:53.:19:58.

let me explain why I've decided not to take this course. We have always

:19:58.:20:03.

argued we should let the automatic stabilisers work and we have not

:20:03.:20:07.

argued we should chase down a cyclical or temporary deterioration

:20:07.:20:10.

in the economy, particularly one which our own independent body says

:20:11.:20:15.

is largely driven by problems abroad. That's also the judgment of

:20:15.:20:20.

the IMF, the OECD and the Governor of the Bank of England. Our mim is

:20:20.:20:23.

to reduce the -- aim is to reduce the structural deficit. The

:20:24.:20:28.

permanent hole that won't be repaired as the economy recovers

:20:28.:20:32.

and we are. We have cut the structural deficit by 3% in the

:20:32.:20:37.

last two years, more than any other G7 country and it is set to go on

:20:37.:20:43.

being cut at a similar rate in the years ahead. This lower deficit is

:20:43.:20:46.

delivered by our public spending plans and we are going to stick

:20:46.:20:51.

with those plans. Overall, we are not going faster or slower with

:20:51.:20:55.

those plans, but the measures I'll announce in this Autumn Statement

:20:55.:20:59.

are fiscally neutral across this Parliament. There is no net rise in

:21:00.:21:05.

taxes today. Any taxes increased are offset by taxes cut. Mr Speaker,

:21:05.:21:09.

in last year's Autumn Statement we committed the Government to

:21:09.:21:12.

maintain the same pace of consolidation for two further years

:21:12.:21:18.

beyond the end of the current spending review, in 2015 and

:21:18.:21:23.

2016/17. In this year's Autumn Statement we extend the

:21:23.:21:30.

consolidation for one further year into 2017/18. The OBR projects that

:21:30.:21:35.

as a result the share of national income spent by the State will fall

:21:35.:21:45.
:21:45.:21:45.

from almost 48% of GDP in 2009/2010 to 39.5% by 2017/18. The document

:21:45.:21:49.

shows total managed expenditure will continue to fall and will now

:21:49.:21:54.

be 4.6 billion lower in 2017/18 than if it had been held flat in

:21:54.:22:00.

real terms. No decision to cut spending is ever easy, but those

:22:00.:22:03.

who object must explain whether instead they would have higher

:22:03.:22:11.

taxes or higher borrowing or both. I also provide further details of

:22:11.:22:15.

the done colation plans for -- consolidation plans for the last

:22:15.:22:20.

year of this Parliament. I said two years ago that the correct balance

:22:20.:22:25.

between spending and tax should be 80/20. I can confirm that by the

:22:25.:22:30.

end of 2015, the decisions we announce today mean we will almost

:22:30.:22:35.

exactly deliver on that mix. Total spending will fall in that final

:22:35.:22:40.

year of this Parliament at the same rate as through the current

:22:40.:22:44.

spending review. I can confirm today that the overall envelope for

:22:44.:22:51.

total mefrpgd expenditure will be set at -- managed expenditure will

:22:51.:23:01.

be set at �749 billion. The detail of departmental spending plans for

:23:01.:23:04.

2015/16 will be set at a spending review, which will be announced

:23:04.:23:09.

during the first half of next year. What we do today is to take steps

:23:09.:23:13.

now to help deliver the plans and to go on reducing the deficit in a

:23:13.:23:18.

way that is fair. This Government has shown that it is possible to

:23:18.:23:21.

restore sanity to the public finances while improving the

:23:21.:23:29.

quality of our public services. Crime has fallen. Hospital waiting

:23:29.:23:35.

lists are down. School standards are up. And this is with a Civil

:23:35.:23:38.

Service that is today smaller than at any time since the Second World

:23:38.:23:45.

War. We are today publishing the reports we commissioned from the

:23:45.:23:50.

Pay Review Body on market-facing pay. We commit to implement the

:23:50.:23:55.

reports. This means continuing with national pay arrangements in the

:23:55.:23:58.

NHS and Prison Service and we will not make changes to the Civil

:23:59.:24:04.

Service arrangements either. But the school teachers' review body

:24:04.:24:09.

does recommend much greater freedom to individual schools to set pay in

:24:09.:24:14.

line with performance. My right honourable friend, the Education

:24:14.:24:20.

Secretary, will set out how this will be implemented. Through the

:24:20.:24:25.

efforts of individual departments and with the support from the

:24:25.:24:28.

Minister in the Cabinet Office we have generated savings in Whitehall,

:24:28.:24:33.

but we believe there is room to do more. If all departments reduce

:24:33.:24:38.

spending on administration in line with the best-performing

:24:38.:24:41.

departments like education, then another �1 billion could be saved.

:24:41.:24:47.

If all departments made greater provision of digital services,

:24:47.:24:50.

rationalised their property estates as some have done, then a further

:24:50.:24:56.

�1 billion could be saved. Today, we are reducing departmental

:24:56.:25:00.

resource budgets by 1% next year and 2% the year after. We'll

:25:00.:25:04.

continue to seek efficiency savings in the NHS, in our schools, but

:25:04.:25:10.

that money will be recycled to protect spending in these priority

:25:10.:25:13.

areas. Local government budgets are already being held down next year

:25:13.:25:18.

to deliver the freeze in council tax, so we will not seek the

:25:18.:25:21.

further 1% saving next year, but we will look for the 2% saving the

:25:22.:25:28.

year after. While the MoD is included in the measures, they'll

:25:28.:25:32.

be given flexibility on their multi-year budget to ensure this

:25:32.:25:36.

will not lead to reductions in military man power or the core

:25:36.:25:39.

defence equipment programme over the Parliament. A mark of our

:25:39.:25:43.

values as a society, is our commitment to the world's poorest.

:25:43.:25:48.

We made a promise as a country to spend 0.7% of our gross national

:25:48.:25:52.

income on international development and I'm proud to be part of the

:25:52.:25:55.

first British government in history which will honour that commitment

:25:55.:26:02.

and honour it as promised next year. We will not, however, spend more

:26:02.:26:07.

than 0.7%, so as we did last year, we'll adjust the budget to reflect

:26:07.:26:12.

the latest economic forecasts. In the medium-term, these savings

:26:12.:26:15.

across Whitehall will help departments maintain the right

:26:15.:26:20.

route for the years that follow Spending Review and help us to pay

:26:20.:26:25.

off the deficit in the future. In the short-term, I'm switching the

:26:25.:26:27.

current savings into capital, all the money saved in the first two

:26:28.:26:33.

years will be reinvested as part of a �5 billion capital investment in

:26:33.:26:39.

the infrastructure of our country. So despite Mr Speaker, the fiscal

:26:39.:26:42.

challenges we face, public investment as a share of GDP will

:26:42.:26:46.

be higher on average in that Parliament than it was under the

:26:46.:26:53.

last Labour government. It is exactly what a government equipping

:26:53.:26:57.

Britain to compete in the modern global economy should be doing. We

:26:57.:27:02.

are committing an extra �1 billion to roads, including four major new

:27:02.:27:07.

schemes to upgrade key sections of the A1, bringing the route from

:27:07.:27:11.

London to Newcastle up to motorway standard. Linking the A5 with the

:27:11.:27:16.

M1, and the A30 in Cornwall and upgrading the M25, which will

:27:16.:27:20.

support the biggest port development in Europe and I pay

:27:20.:27:25.

tribute to my friend for Thurrock for her campaigning. We have

:27:25.:27:29.

already set out plans this autumn for a huge investment in rail and

:27:29.:27:32.

my right honourable friend the Transport Secretary will set out in

:27:32.:27:37.

the new year plans to take high speed II to the north-west and West

:27:37.:27:42.

Yorkshire. I can today confirm a �1 billion loan and a guarantee to

:27:42.:27:44.

extend the Northern Line to Battersea Power Station and support

:27:44.:27:48.

a new development on a similar scale to the Olympic Park. We are

:27:48.:27:54.

confirming funding and reforms to assist the construction of up to

:27:54.:27:58.

120,000 new homes and delivering on flood defence schemes in more

:27:58.:28:01.

cities. On top of broadband expansion for our countryside and

:28:01.:28:10.

larger cities, we are funding ult fast broadband in 12 smallers

:28:10.:28:19.

cities -- ultra fast broadband in 12 smaller cities. In addition to a

:28:19.:28:24.

third of one billion for British science, we are today announcing

:28:24.:28:29.

�600 million more for the UK's scientific research infrastructure

:28:29.:28:34.

and since improving our education system is the best investment in a

:28:34.:28:38.

competitive economy, I'm committing �270 million to fund improvements

:28:38.:28:43.

in further education colleges and �1 million to expand good schools

:28:43.:28:53.
:28:53.:28:55.

and build 100 new free schools and academies. -- �1 billion. Scotland,

:28:55.:28:58.

Wales and Northern Ireland will get their share of further capital

:28:58.:29:02.

spending put at their disposal of their devolved administrations. On

:29:02.:29:06.

top of that �5 billion of new capital spending in infrastructure

:29:06.:29:10.

and support for business, we are ready to provide guarantees for up

:29:10.:29:14.

to �40 billion more. Today, I can announce that projects worth �10

:29:15.:29:18.

billion have already prequalified. We are offering �10 billion worth

:29:18.:29:22.

of guarantees for housing too. Our country's pension funds will launch

:29:23.:29:24.

their any independent infrastructure investment platforms

:29:24.:29:29.

next year as well. We have today published full details of the

:29:29.:29:37.

replacement for the discredited PFI since we can all see now that the

:29:37.:29:42.

public sector was sharing the risk and we'll ensure we also share in

:29:42.:29:45.

the reward. I commend my honourable friend for Hereford for his work in

:29:45.:29:50.

this area. Taken together, this is a revolution in the sources of

:29:50.:29:53.

finance for upgrading Britain's infrastructure and equipping

:29:53.:29:57.

Britain to win in the global race. Annual average infrastructure

:29:57.:30:01.

investment, which was �29 billion under the last Labour government,

:30:01.:30:08.

is now �33 billion. Savings from Whitehall are not enough by

:30:08.:30:15.

themselves to talkle our debt. We need toen -- to tackle our debt. We

:30:15.:30:18.

need to find other ways. Those with the most should contribute the most

:30:18.:30:22.

and they will, but fairness is also about being fair to the person who

:30:22.:30:25.

leaves home every morning to go out to work and sees their neighbour

:30:25.:30:35.
:30:35.:30:42.

still asleep living a life on Let me start with tax. The vast

:30:42.:30:46.

majority of people, which will otherwise, pay their taxes and make

:30:46.:30:50.

their contribution. But there are still too many who illegally evade

:30:50.:30:52.

their taxes or use aggressive tax avoidance in order not to pay their

:30:53.:30:56.

fair share. This government has taken more action against these

:30:56.:31:02.

people than any before it. Prosecutions for tax evasion are up

:31:02.:31:07.

80 %. We will collect �7 billion more a year in tax that is due that

:31:07.:31:11.

the last government. We are increasing by around 2500 the

:31:11.:31:15.

number of tax inspectors going after the raiders and of August.

:31:15.:31:19.

Next year, we will introduce the first ever General ante abuse role,

:31:19.:31:23.

something that never happened in 13 years before we came to office.

:31:24.:31:27.

Next year, for the first time in our history, money will be flowing

:31:27.:31:31.

from bank accounts in Switzerland to Britain instead of the other way

:31:31.:31:36.

round. Because of the treaty we've signed, we expect to receive �5

:31:36.:31:40.

billion over the next six years from the undisclosed Swiss bank

:31:41.:31:46.

accounts of UK residents. It is the largest tax evasion settlement in

:31:46.:31:52.

British history. We are taking further steps today. Hundreds of

:31:52.:31:55.

millions of pounds of tax loopholes are being closed with immediate

:31:55.:32:00.

effect. We are investigating a abusive use of partnerships. HMRC

:32:00.:32:05.

will not have its budget cut over the next two years, and like other

:32:05.:32:10.

departments. Instead, we will spend �77 million more on fighting tax

:32:10.:32:14.

avoidance, and not just for wealthy individuals. We want the most

:32:14.:32:17.

competitive corporate tax system of any major economy in the world, but

:32:17.:32:22.

we expect those corporate taxes to be paid. So today we are confirming

:32:22.:32:25.

we will put more resources into ensuring multinational companies

:32:25.:32:29.

pay their proper share of taxes. We are leading the international

:32:29.:32:34.

efforts to prevent artificial transfers of profits to tax havens

:32:34.:32:38.

with Germany at now France. We have asked the OECD to take this work

:32:38.:32:42.

forward. We all make it an important priority of our G8

:32:42.:32:47.

presidency next year. In total, we expect the action we announced

:32:47.:32:50.

today will increase the amount of money collected from tax evasion

:32:50.:32:54.

and avoidance by a further �2 billion a year. Fair and necessary

:32:54.:32:58.

as this is, it is not enough by itself to close the deficit. We

:32:58.:33:03.

need to ask more from... Punitive tax rates do nothing to raise money

:33:03.:33:08.

and simply discourage enterprise and investment in Britain. Other

:33:08.:33:11.

countries on our doorstep of trying that approach and are paying the

:33:11.:33:15.

price. We are not going to make that mistake. HMRC data reveals

:33:15.:33:19.

that in the first year of the 50 % tax rate, tax revenues from the

:33:20.:33:25.

rich fell by �7 billion. The number of people declaring incomes of over

:33:25.:33:29.

�1 million fell by half. A tax raid on the rich that raises almost no

:33:29.:33:34.

money is a tax Con. We are going to have a top rate of tax that

:33:34.:33:38.

supports enterprise and we are going to raise more money from the

:33:38.:33:44.

bridge. Here is a simple fact. The richest will pay a greater share of

:33:44.:33:48.

income tax revenues in every single year of his Coalition government

:33:48.:33:54.

than in any one of the 13 years of the last Labour government. But we

:33:54.:34:00.

need to make sure the deficit reduction remains fair. We need to

:34:00.:34:10.

raise more. We've already... Raised stamp duty on multi-million-pound

:34:10.:34:13.

homes and next week publish the legislation to stop the richest

:34:13.:34:18.

avoiding stamp duty. But we won't introduce a new tax on property.

:34:18.:34:22.

This would require a revaluation of hundreds of thousands of homes. In

:34:22.:34:27.

my view it would be intrusive, expensive to Levy, raised a little

:34:27.:34:30.

and the temptation for future Chancellors to bring ever more

:34:30.:34:35.

homes into its net would be irresistible, so we are not having

:34:35.:34:42.

a new homes tax. We have already reduced the amount of tax relief we

:34:42.:34:49.

give to the very largest pension pots. From 2014-15, I will further

:34:49.:34:55.

reduce the lifetime allowance from �1.5 million to �1.25 million, and

:34:55.:35:00.

reduce the annual allowance from �50,000 to �40,000. This will

:35:00.:35:03.

reduce the cost of tax relief to the public purse by an extra

:35:03.:35:09.

billion pounds a year by 2016-17. 98 % of people currently

:35:09.:35:13.

approaching retirement have a pension pot worth less than 1.25

:35:13.:35:19.

million. Indeed, the medium pot for such people is just �55,000. 99 %

:35:19.:35:22.

of pension savers make annual contributions to their pensions of

:35:22.:35:28.

less than �40,000. The average contribution to a pension is just

:35:28.:35:32.

�6,000 a year. I know these tax measures will not be welcomed by

:35:32.:35:38.

all. Ways to reduce the deficit never are. But we must demonstrate

:35:38.:35:42.

that we are all in this together and when you look for savings, I

:35:42.:35:52.
:35:52.:35:52.

think it's fair to look at the tax relief we give to the top 1%. I

:35:52.:35:57.

want to help the great majority of savers. That is why we are

:35:57.:36:02.

introducing a generous, new, single t a pension, so that people know it

:36:02.:36:08.

always pays to save. That is why I will upgrade next April the up for

:36:08.:36:13.

all eyes are limited to �11,520. We will consult on allowing investment

:36:13.:36:21.

in SME equity markets, to be held directly and stocks and shared --

:36:21.:36:28.

shares icesave macros. I've also encouraged the -- listened to

:36:28.:36:31.

pensioners about draw down limits. The government will raise the cat

:36:31.:36:37.

brought down limit from 100 % to 120 %, giving pensioners that these

:36:37.:36:41.

arrangements the option of increasing their incomes. It is

:36:41.:36:45.

also fair to look at the way we up rate benefits and some tax

:36:46.:36:49.

threshold. The basic state pension has this year gone up by the

:36:50.:36:54.

largest cash amount in its history. Next year, thanks to our triple

:36:54.:36:59.

lock, I confirm it will rise by 2.5 %, higher than either earnings or

:36:59.:37:04.

inflation. That takes the level of the basic state pension to �110.15

:37:04.:37:08.

a week. When it comes to working age welfare, we've already made

:37:08.:37:13.

substantial reforms. �18 billion a year has been cut from the welfare

:37:13.:37:18.

bill. Benefits of being capped for the first time. So families out of

:37:18.:37:21.

work will not get more than the average family gets for being in

:37:21.:37:28.

work. We have increased efforts to fight welfare fraud. Today the

:37:28.:37:32.

announced further measures and cheques to save over �1 billion in

:37:32.:37:36.

the next four years, by reducing fraud, error and debt in the tax

:37:36.:37:42.

credit system. Next year, my right honourable friend the work and

:37:42.:37:44.

pensions Secretary will introduce the new Universal credit, so that

:37:44.:37:49.

it always pays to work. And today we set the key parameters, such as

:37:49.:37:53.

the levels of earnings disregards. But we have to acknowledge that

:37:54.:37:56.

over the last five years, those on out-of-work benefits have seen

:37:56.:38:01.

their incomes rise twice as fast as those in work. With pay restraint

:38:01.:38:04.

in businesses and government, average earnings have risen by

:38:04.:38:09.

around 10 % since 2007. Out-of-work benefits have gone up by around 20

:38:09.:38:14.

%. That is not fair to working people who pay the taxes that fund

:38:14.:38:19.

them. Those working in the public services who have seen their basic

:38:19.:38:24.

pay frozen will now see it rise by an average of 1%. A similar

:38:24.:38:28.

approach of a 1% rise should apply to those in receipt of benefits.

:38:28.:38:31.

That is fair and will ensure that we have a welfare system that

:38:31.:38:37.

Britain can afford. We will support the vulnerable, so carer's benefit

:38:37.:38:40.

and disability benefits, including disability element of tax credits,

:38:40.:38:45.

will be increased in line with inflation. We are extending support

:38:45.:38:48.

for mortgage interest for two more years. But most working-age

:38:48.:38:52.

benefits, including jobseeker's Allowance, employment and support

:38:52.:38:56.

allowance and income support will be operated by 1% for the next

:38:56.:39:02.

three years. We were also up rate elements of the child tax credit

:39:02.:39:06.

and the working tax credits by 1% for the next three years. Although

:39:06.:39:11.

previously planned freezers will go ahead. Local housing allowance

:39:11.:39:15.

rates that are essential component of housing benefit will be rated in

:39:15.:39:19.

line with the existing policy next April. Then we will cap increases

:39:19.:39:24.

of 1% in the two years after that. For this measure, 30 % of the

:39:24.:39:27.

savings will be used to exempt from the new cap. Those areas that the

:39:28.:39:31.

highest rent increases. The earnings disregard for Universal

:39:31.:39:38.

credit will also be up rated by 1% for two years from 20th April 14.

:39:38.:39:46.

Child benefit is currently frozen. It, too, will rise by 1% but to --

:39:46.:39:51.

for two years from April, 2014. Doing this means people get more

:39:51.:39:57.

cash for less than the rate of inflation. Taken together, we will

:39:57.:40:01.

save �3.7 billion in 2015-16, and deliver a permanent savings each

:40:01.:40:08.

and every year from our country's welfare bill. To bring all these

:40:08.:40:11.

decisions and many benefits for many years together, we will

:40:11.:40:16.

introduce into Parliament primary legislation, the welfare up rating

:40:16.:40:20.

Bill, and I hope it can then support from both sides of the

:40:20.:40:30.
:40:30.:40:32.

We will apply a similar approach to the upper rating of some of our tax

:40:32.:40:38.

thresholds, as we have to welfare. The higher rate threshold will be

:40:38.:40:46.

increased by 1% in the tax year's 2014-15, and 2015-16. So the income

:40:46.:40:54.

at which people start paying the 40 % rate will go up from �41,450, to

:40:54.:41:00.

afford �1,865, then to �42,285. I want to be completely clear with

:41:00.:41:05.

people. This is an increase, in fact, it's the first cash increase

:41:05.:41:08.

in the higher rate threshold in this Parliament, but it's not an

:41:08.:41:13.

increase in line with inflation. So it raises �1 billion of revenue by

:41:13.:41:18.

2015-16. Again, there are no easy ways to reduce the deficit. But

:41:18.:41:23.

from year to year, no one would pay a penny more in income tax. In the

:41:23.:41:26.

same way the capital gains tax annual exempt amount will be

:41:26.:41:32.

increased by 1% up at the same period, reaching �11,100. The

:41:32.:41:37.

inheritance tax nil band rate, which has been frozen since 2009 at

:41:37.:41:44.

�325,000, will be increased by 1% to �329,000. Taken with the welfare

:41:44.:41:47.

up rating decisions, this is a fairer approach to paying off

:41:47.:41:52.

Britain's debts. But dealing with those debts is only one part of

:41:52.:41:56.

making Britain fit to compete in the global race. Countries like

:41:56.:42:01.

ours are risk being outsmarted, outwork and out competed by new,

:42:01.:42:05.

emerging economies. We asked Michael Heseltine to report on how

:42:05.:42:09.

to make the government work better for business and enterprise. It's

:42:09.:42:13.

fair to say that his answer has captured the imagination of all

:42:13.:42:17.

political parties. We will respond formally in the spring. But here is

:42:17.:42:21.

what we will do now. First, government spending should be

:42:21.:42:24.

aligned with the priorities of the local business community. We will

:42:24.:42:29.

provide new money to support local enterprise partnerships. From April,

:42:29.:42:33.

2015, the government will place more of the funding that currently

:42:33.:42:37.

goes to local transport, housing, skills and getting people back to

:42:37.:42:42.

work into a single pot that can be bid for. Details will be set out in

:42:42.:42:46.

the Spending Review. Before then, we are putting more money into the

:42:46.:42:49.

Regional Growth Fund, which is helping businesses create half a

:42:49.:42:53.

million new jobs. Second, as Lord Heseltine also recommends, we are

:42:53.:42:57.

going to support industries and technologies where Britain has a

:42:57.:43:01.

clear advantage. With the Business Secretary's support, we will extend

:43:01.:43:04.

our global lead on aerospace and support the supply chains of

:43:05.:43:09.

Advanced Manufacturing. We are also taking big steps today to support

:43:09.:43:13.

British companies to export to new, emerging markets in Asia, Africa

:43:13.:43:18.

and the Americas. I am increasing the funding for UK t i by over 25 %

:43:18.:43:23.

a year, so that it can help small firms build the capacity of

:43:23.:43:26.

overseas British Chambers and maintain our country's position as

:43:26.:43:29.

the number one destination in Europe for foreign investment. We

:43:30.:43:35.

are launching a new �1.5 billion export finance facility to support

:43:35.:43:39.

the purchase of British exports. Third, we are addressing the credit

:43:39.:43:44.

problems for companies. We are creating a new business bank. Today

:43:44.:43:48.

we confirmed we are providing it with �1 billion of extra capital,

:43:48.:43:51.

which will leave her in private lending to help small and medium-

:43:51.:43:56.

sized firms and bring together existing schemes. Fourth, we are

:43:56.:44:02.

going to cut business taxes still further. The temporary doubling of

:44:02.:44:06.

the small business rate relief scheme helps over 500,000 small

:44:06.:44:10.

firms, or with a 350,000 firms pay no rates at all. The last

:44:10.:44:15.

government were going to ended in 20th September 11. We've already

:44:15.:44:21.

extended to next April. Today I extended to buy a further year to

:44:21.:44:26.

April, 2014. We also confirmed today the tax relief for our

:44:26.:44:29.

employer -- employee shareholders scheme. The Energy Bill provides

:44:29.:44:32.

certainty and support for billions of pounds of investment in

:44:32.:44:35.

renewable energy. Today we publish our gas strategy, to ensure we make

:44:35.:44:41.

the best use of lower cost gas power, including new sources of gas

:44:41.:44:44.

and that the land. We are consulting a new tax incentives for

:44:44.:44:47.

shale gas and announcing the creation of a single office so that

:44:47.:44:51.

regulation is safe but simple. We don't want British families and

:44:51.:44:55.

businesses to be left behind as gas prices tumble on the other side of

:44:55.:45:02.

the Atlantic. We are going to help our construction industry, too. The

:45:02.:45:06.

last government abolished empty property relief. As excellent work

:45:06.:45:12.

done by my honourable friends show, this has blighted development in

:45:12.:45:17.

our towns and cities. The proposal from my colleagues that we create a

:45:17.:45:20.

long grace period before new be completed buildings have to pay him

:45:20.:45:26.

to property rates is a sensible one. We will introduce it next October.

:45:26.:45:30.

The previous government also plans to increase the small companies tax

:45:30.:45:36.

rate to 22 %. We have cut it to 20 %. But I'd like to help small and

:45:36.:45:41.

medium-sized firms more. I want to thank my honourable friends for

:45:41.:45:46.

Burnley and Pendle for their thoughts in this area. Starting on

:45:46.:45:49.

1st January, and for the next two years, I am therefore going to

:45:49.:45:54.

increase by tenfold the annual investment allowance in plant and

:45:54.:46:02.

machinery. Instead of �25,000 worth of investment being eligible for

:46:02.:46:08.

100 % relief, �250,000 of investment will now qualify. This

:46:08.:46:12.

capital allowance will cover the total annual investment undertaken

:46:12.:46:19.

by 99 % of all the business in Britain. It is a huge boost to all

:46:19.:46:23.

those who run a business, who aspire to grow, expand and create

:46:23.:46:32.

I also want Britain to have the most competitive business tax

:46:32.:46:38.

regime of any major economy in the world. I have already cut the main

:46:38.:46:44.

rate of corporation tax from 28% to 24% and it's set to fall further to

:46:44.:46:47.

22%. This has helped British companies and frankly left other

:46:47.:46:51.

countries scrambling to keep up. They will have to try harder for I

:46:51.:46:55.

am today cutting the main rate of corporation tax again by a further

:46:55.:47:04.

1%. In America, the rate is 40%. In France, it is 33%. In Germany, it

:47:04.:47:08.

is 29%. From April 2014, the corporation tax rate in Britain

:47:08.:47:14.

will stand at 21%. This is the lowest rate of any major western

:47:14.:47:18.

economy. It is an advert for our country that says, "Come here,

:47:18.:47:25.

invest here, create jobs here. Britain is open for business." Mr

:47:25.:47:29.

Speaker, we will not pass the benefit of this reduced rate on to

:47:29.:47:33.

banks and to ensure we meet our revenue commitments, the bank levy

:47:34.:47:40.

rate will be increased to 0.130% next year. Making banks contribute

:47:40.:47:45.

more is part of our major reforms to the banking system. We also have

:47:45.:47:50.

to be on the side of those who want to work hard and get on. I know how

:47:50.:47:54.

difficult many families have found the cost of living. In dealing with

:47:54.:47:58.

the deficit, we have had to save money, but whenever we have been

:47:58.:48:04.

able to help, we have. We have helped councils freeze council tax

:48:04.:48:07.

for two years running. And we are helping them to freeze it again

:48:07.:48:13.

next year. We have put a cap on rail fare rises for the next two

:48:13.:48:17.

years, so commuters are not punished for travelling to work and

:48:17.:48:21.

we are forcing energy companies to move families on to the lowest

:48:21.:48:25.

tariffs for bills. And we have helped motorists with the cost of

:48:25.:48:29.

petrol. We have cancelled the last Government's escalator and I'm

:48:29.:48:34.

moving inflation-only rises to September. Fuel is 10 pence per

:48:34.:48:37.

litre cheaper than it would have been if we had stuck to Labour's

:48:37.:48:45.

tax plans. I want to keep it that way. As I note to my colleagues,

:48:46.:48:49.

like my honourable friend to Harlow. There is a rise planned for this

:48:49.:48:55.

January. Now, some have suggested that we delay that three pence rise

:48:55.:49:01.

until April. I disagree. I suggest we can is tell altogether. There

:49:02.:49:05.

will be no three pence fuel tax rise this January. That is real

:49:05.:49:08.

help, with the cost of living for families and they fill up their

:49:08.:49:18.
:49:18.:49:23.

cars across the country. And it will help everyone. We will have

:49:23.:49:28.

had no increases for two-and-a-half years. In fact, they've been cut.

:49:28.:49:33.

We have helped working people by increasing the they can earn before

:49:33.:49:38.

paying tax. When this Government came to office the personal tax

:49:38.:49:46.

allowance was �6 account 274. It will rise to �9,205. 24 million

:49:46.:49:50.

taxpayers have seen their income tax cut. Two million of the lowest-

:49:50.:49:54.

paid have been taken out of tax altogether. And because of the

:49:54.:50:00.

difficult decisions we have taken today, we can go even further. From

:50:00.:50:05.

next April the personal allowance will rise by �235. That means a

:50:05.:50:11.

total increase next year of �1,335. The highest cash increase ever.

:50:11.:50:21.

People will be able to earn �9,440 before paying any income tax at all.

:50:21.:50:26.

This is a direct boost to the incomes of people working hard to

:50:26.:50:32.

provide for their families. It's �47 extra in cash next year. In

:50:32.:50:36.

total �267 cash increase next year. People working full-time on the

:50:36.:50:42.

minute numb wage will have seen their bill cut in half -- minute

:50:42.:50:52.
:50:52.:50:53.

numb wage will have seen their -- minimum wage will have seen their

:50:53.:51:01.

tax rate cut in half. In real terms a typical higher-rate taxpayer will

:51:01.:51:05.

be better off next year and no worse off in total by the year

:51:05.:51:10.

after. Mr Speaker, today, we have helped working people. But I do not

:51:10.:51:15.

want to distract from the tough, economic situation we face in the

:51:15.:51:19.

world. The public know there are no miracle cures, just the hard work

:51:19.:51:23.

of dealing with our deficit and ensuring Britain wins the global

:51:23.:51:29.

race. That work is under way. The deficit is down. Borrowing is down.

:51:29.:51:34.

Jobs are being created. It is a hard road, but we are making

:51:34.:51:37.

progress. And everything we do, we are helping those who want to work

:51:37.:51:47.
:51:47.:51:50.

hard and get on. Thank you. Chancellor sits down. We'll hear

:51:51.:51:58.

now from the Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls. We can see and people can

:51:58.:52:01.

feel in the country, the true scale of this Government's economic

:52:01.:52:10.

failure. Our economy this year is contracting. The Chancellor has

:52:10.:52:13.

confirmed Government borrowing is revised up this year, next year and

:52:13.:52:21.

every year. The national deficit is not rising - is rising, it's not

:52:21.:52:31.
:52:31.:52:32.

falling. I'll say it again, our economy is contracting this year.

:52:32.:52:35.

Government borrowing and the deficit is revised up this year,

:52:35.:52:40.

next year and every year and the national debt is rising. It is not

:52:40.:52:47.

falling. It is people already struggling to make ends meet,

:52:47.:52:51.

middle and lower-income families and pensioners who are paying the

:52:51.:52:58.

price, while millionaires get a tax cut, a �3 billion welfare hand out

:52:58.:53:01.

to the people who need it -- handout to the people who need it

:53:01.:53:05.

least. Let me spell out the full facts to the House. They should

:53:06.:53:15.
:53:16.:53:17.

listen. They might learn something, Mr Speaker! In June 2010 the Office

:53:17.:53:23.

for Budget Responsibility forecast our economy to grow by 2.8% this

:53:23.:53:27.

year. In March of this year, they said there would still be growth,

:53:27.:53:33.

but revised it down to just 0.8%. Today, we have learned the

:53:33.:53:37.

Chancellor has not even managed that. Growth has not only been

:53:37.:53:40.

downgraded yet again, but he's confirmed, following the double-dip

:53:40.:53:44.

recession, that our economy is now forecast to actually contract

:53:44.:53:51.

inside this year. That's by 0.1%. Let me remind the House what the

:53:51.:53:56.

Chancellor promised over two years ago in the June Budget. He said,

:53:56.:53:59.

"We have the provided the foundations for economic recovery

:53:59.:54:05.

in all parts of our nation." He said, "We have set the course for a

:54:05.:54:09.

balanced budget and falling national debt by the end of this

:54:09.:54:14.

Parliament." He said, "The richest paying the most, the most

:54:14.:54:19.

vulnerable protected." That was the promise, Mr Speaker. But far from

:54:19.:54:23.

securing our recovery, our economy has flat-lined since Spending

:54:23.:54:32.

Review in 2010. Over the last two years, the Chancellor was expecting

:54:32.:54:39.

4.6% growth. He's actually achieved 0.6% growth. Compared to 1.7 in

:54:39.:54:46.

France, to 3.6 in Germany and to 4.1% in America, falling behind in

:54:46.:54:53.

the global race, Mr Speaker! What we learn today is that growth has

:54:53.:54:56.

been downgraded this year, next year, the year after, the year

:54:56.:55:02.

after and the year after that too. The longest double-dip recession

:55:02.:55:06.

since the Second World War now followed by the slowest recovery in

:55:06.:55:14.

the last 100 years. The result of this stagnation, rising

:55:14.:55:18.

unemployment, long-term damage to our economy, falling behind now as

:55:18.:55:23.

other countries move ahead, is that the Chancellor's fiscal strategy

:55:23.:55:28.

has been completely derailed. The defining purpose of the Government,

:55:28.:55:32.

the cornerstone of the coalition, the one test they set themselves to

:55:32.:55:38.

balance the books and get the debt falling by 2015 is now in tatters.

:55:38.:55:45.

What we have learnt today is that borrowing has -- is that Government

:55:45.:55:51.

borrowing has been revised up this year, next year and the year after

:55:51.:55:57.

that. We now know that compared to the Chancellor's forecast two years

:55:57.:56:03.

ago borrowing is now forecast to be well above the �150 billion of

:56:03.:56:10.

extra borrowing that he was forecasting in March. And they

:56:10.:56:18.

should listen to this - the Chancellor has confirmed that the

:56:18.:56:24.

Prime Minister's pledge to balance the books in 2015 is not met in

:56:24.:56:34.

2015. It's not met in 1016 and it's not met in 2017 either. -- 2016 and

:56:34.:56:39.

it's not met in 2017 either. The fact is there's pour borrowing, Mr

:56:39.:56:43.

Speaker. We will look in detail when we get the figures, because it

:56:43.:56:49.

was very disappointing. The Chancellor failed to give us the

:56:49.:56:52.

cash figures adjusted for borrowing this year, next year and the year

:56:52.:56:57.

after. The unusual thing is that just a few weeks ago the

:56:57.:57:01.

independent forecasters were saying that borrowing would be �6 billion

:57:01.:57:05.

higher this year. We will examine the detail of those figures to see

:57:05.:57:09.

whether there has been any dodgy dealing. We will find out in the

:57:09.:57:18.

coming hours. I don't know. I don't know, because I've not seen the

:57:18.:57:21.

figures, but what I do know is there's more borrowing this year

:57:21.:57:26.

and next year and pour borrowing the year after and the result of

:57:26.:57:30.

that -- more borrowing the year after and the result is that the

:57:30.:57:34.

OBR now shows more borrowing and higher deficits means higher

:57:34.:57:41.

national debt, Mr Speaker. The national debt - the Prime Minister

:57:41.:57:45.

should listen to this. It might be rather shocking to find out. The

:57:45.:57:49.

national debt will be higher at the end of this Parliament than the

:57:49.:57:53.

level inherited. It's going to be higher at the end of this

:57:53.:57:57.

Parliament than forecasted in the plans he inherited and it's no

:57:57.:58:03.

longer falling as a per centage of GDP in 2015. It's rising in 2015

:58:03.:58:10.

and it's rising again in 2016 too, breaking the fiscal rule for

:58:10.:58:14.

falling debt upon which this Chancellor said his entire

:58:14.:58:24.

credibility depended. In last year's Budget, the Chancellor said,

:58:24.:58:31.

"Our deficit reduction plan is on course. We will not waiver." On

:58:31.:58:40.

course? Not waivering? He's not waivering, he's drowning. Now, the

:58:40.:58:49.

Chancellor is trying to claim his failure on growth and his failure

:58:49.:58:53.

on borrowing and the debt breaking his own fiscal rule, he's trying to

:58:53.:59:01.

claim it's not his fault. That no- one could have foreseen it. What

:59:02.:59:11.

nonsense, Mr Speaker. Because, he was warned that a tough medium-term

:59:11.:59:19.

plan to cut the deficit, tax rises, spending cuts, could only work if

:59:19.:59:22.

the Government first put in place a plan for jobs and growth. He was

:59:22.:59:27.

warned it was a huge gamble to go too far, too fast and rely on

:59:27.:59:30.

exports to bail him out. He was warned there was a hurricane

:59:30.:59:35.

brewing in the eurozone and that was not the time to rip out the

:59:35.:59:39.

fundations of the house built here in Britain. Once again, the

:59:39.:59:43.

Chancellor is trying to blame high oil prices and the eurozone crisis

:59:43.:59:48.

for negative growth this year. But it affected all countries, Mr

:59:48.:59:56.

Speaker. It affected all countries. Why, over the last -- THE SPEAKER:

:59:56.:00:02.

Members must calm themselves. Mr Biles, I thought you were normally

:00:02.:00:07.

a model of restraint and civility. Good heavens man, I don't know

:00:07.:00:15.

what's come over you. Calm yourself. Take a pill if necessary. Keep calm.

:00:15.:00:25.
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They don't like it, do they? They don't like it at all. Once again,

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the Chancellor is trying to blame high oil prices and the euros and

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crazes. Let me ask him why, over the past two years, has Britain

:00:37.:00:42.

grown by just one 10th of the growth rates of the G20 countries?

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And why is growth here in Britain even slower than in the eurozone?

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Mr Speaker, it is not the rest of the world's fault, it is his

:00:53.:00:58.

policies that have failed. He claims that rising VAT, alongside

:00:58.:01:02.

accelerated spending cuts, would boost confidence, secure Recovery

:01:02.:01:07.

and get the deficit down. But they depress confidence, choked off the

:01:07.:01:11.

recovery and borrowing has been revised up. Let me ask the

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Chancellor whatever happened to his Treasury view, his Theory of

:01:17.:01:22.

expansionary fiscal contraction? It it is the economy which has

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contracted and the borrowing and the debt that have expanded. That

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is the truth. I have to say, when the latest figures show that

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business confidence is falling, when the world economy is slowing,

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when the eurozone is in such chronic difficulty, that on current

:01:41.:01:46.

plans the fiscal straitjacket tightens further next year, it is

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simply reckless and deeply irresponsible of this Chancellor to

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plough on with a fiscal plan that we all know is failing under the

:01:53.:02:01.

terms he said. That is the trip. -- truth. What a wasted opportunity

:02:01.:02:06.

this was. Can he confirm that the OBR looked at the figures he

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announced today, their verdict has been revised down this year, next

:02:12.:02:18.

year and the year after. Let me congratulate the Chancellor for

:02:18.:02:25.

taking our advice and stopping January's fuel duty rise. Even

:02:25.:02:29.

though they all voted against it just a month ago, they all voted

:02:29.:02:39.
:02:39.:02:45.

against it... We welcome the U-turn on defence, in part, the U-turn on

:02:45.:02:50.

bargaining in the NHS, the U-turn on capital allowances. After

:02:50.:02:56.

churches, charities, pasties, skips, fuel and caravans, I think you

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turning is catching on. Whatever happened to the plans for the

:02:59.:03:06.

Business Investment Bank? As for the announcement on infrastructure

:03:06.:03:10.

spending, the extra money for schools is just a fraction of the

:03:10.:03:14.

cats and cancellations of the Building Schools for the Future.

:03:14.:03:19.

We've been here before. A year ago, the Prime Minister boasted of a

:03:19.:03:23.

national infrastructure plan. 12 months on, not a single road scheme

:03:24.:03:31.

has started. Why can't he see that he won't get the deficit down

:03:31.:03:36.

without a plan for jobs and growth? Why is he not using the 4G money to

:03:36.:03:41.

get homes built? Why is he not giving a national insurance holiday

:03:41.:03:45.

for small firms? Why not a temporary tax cut for families?

:03:45.:03:50.

Even though mayor was supporting that. Why is he not repeating the

:03:50.:03:53.

bank bonus tax? The Chancellor says he cannot do this because it would

:03:53.:03:58.

lead to higher borrowing. Even his political attacks are backfiring.

:03:58.:04:03.

This Chancellor's failed plan has given us more welfare spending,

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higher borrowing and more debt. That is the truth. He has failed on

:04:10.:04:16.

growth and the deficit. What is his answer? More of the same. Let me

:04:16.:04:20.

remind the Chancellor what he told the House in the Budget of 2011. He

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said, we have already asked the British people for what is needed

:04:25.:04:32.

and we do not need to ask for more. 18 months on, the Chancellor has

:04:32.:04:38.

come back for more. Whom does he think should pay? Not the 80,000

:04:38.:04:45.

millionaires, said to get over �100,000 each in April. I have to

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say to the Liberal Democrats, whatever happened to the mansion

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tax? Don't they realise, even with these changes in personal allowance,

:04:52.:04:54.

the other things they have supported me is that the average

:04:54.:05:00.

family, with children, or �20,000, is worse off, Mr Speaker. That is

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before the VAT rise. The Chancellor claims that his decision to

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restrict pension tax relief will make the system fair at the top.

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Can he confirm the �1 billion he is raising is less than the �1.6

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billion that he gave back in pension tax relief in June 2010?

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And it is just a fraction of the top rate tax cut. A �3 billion top

:05:24.:05:27.

rate tax cut, while at the same time the Chancellor is cutting tax

:05:27.:05:31.

credits for working families, cutting child benefit for middle

:05:31.:05:36.

income families, raising taxes on pensioners in April and cutting

:05:36.:05:42.

benefits for the unemployed. Mr Speaker, we do need to reform and

:05:42.:05:47.

modernise our welfare state and reduce its costs. Those who work,

:05:47.:05:53.

those who can work should work, no IFS or buts. We support a benefit

:05:53.:06:02.

cap, done fairly, with a higher level in London. Let us be clear,

:06:02.:06:06.

the Chancellor claimed he would cut the welfare bill. But higher

:06:06.:06:08.

inflation and long-term unemployment means that the

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benefits bill is forecast to be billions high up in this Parliament

:06:13.:06:20.

than the Chancellor boasted. Let me help him, Mr Speaker. Welfare to

:06:20.:06:24.

work. The clue is in the domain. You cannot have a successful

:06:24.:06:31.

welfare-to-work programme, without work. We know that the work

:06:31.:06:35.

programme has just totally failed, with only two people in 100

:06:35.:06:42.

actually going into permanent jobs. Mr Speaker, we should be requiring

:06:42.:06:44.

every young and long-term unemployed person to take a job and

:06:44.:06:51.

making sure that there is one there. Let me ask the Chancellor about an

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nervous, one of the thousands cut from the NHS in the last two years,

:06:56.:07:01.

now struggling to find a new job. - - a nurse. For that nurse, he has

:07:01.:07:05.

announced he is cutting hair jobseeker's allowance for the next

:07:05.:07:11.

three years. How can that be fair when he is cutting the top rate of

:07:11.:07:18.

tax? How can that be fair when someone earning �228,000 a year

:07:18.:07:24.

will get a top rate tax cut of �75 a week in April, which is more than

:07:24.:07:32.

the �71 that she gets to live on? I have to say, what we learned today,

:07:32.:07:38.

he is not just hitting those looking for work. The majority of

:07:38.:07:44.

people who lose from his cuts to tax credits are people in work.

:07:44.:07:49.

Millions of families, striving hard to do with the right thing. What

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kind of government believes that you can only make low-paid, working

:07:54.:07:59.

people work harder by cutting the tax credits, but you only make

:07:59.:08:02.

millionaires work harder by cutting their taxes? I'll tell you,

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certainly not a one-nation government. They must really

:08:09.:08:12.

believe that if you cut taxes at the top, the wealth will trickle

:08:12.:08:16.

down. Let me remind the House what the Chancellor said to the

:08:16.:08:20.

Conservative Party conference in October 2009. He said, we could not

:08:20.:08:27.

even think, we could not even think of abolishing the 50 pence rate on

:08:27.:08:32.

the rich while, at the same time, I am asking many of our public sector

:08:32.:08:36.

workers to accept a pay freeze to protect their jobs. The

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Chancellor's words. He said, I think we can all agree that would

:08:40.:08:45.

be grossly unfair. What has changed? What has changed? Nothing

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has changed. It was all Akon and the mask slipped. We now know that

:08:53.:08:56.

this Chancellor cannot say that we are all in this together without a

:08:56.:09:01.

smirk on his face. They wanted us to think there were compassionate

:09:02.:09:06.

Conservatives. Now we find out by are the same old Conservatives and

:09:06.:09:10.

the Liberal Democrats have gone along with all of it, yet again.

:09:10.:09:16.

May I say, Mr Speaker, what a pity. What a pity not to see the

:09:16.:09:19.

honourable member for Mid Bedfordshire in her place. Back

:09:19.:09:26.

from off the jungle. She may not have succeeded in talking to the

:09:26.:09:30.

nation on many things, but she did speak to the nation when she called

:09:30.:09:33.

the Prime Minister and the Chancellor two arrogant posh boys

:09:33.:09:41.

who do not know the price of milk. Mr Speaker, no wonder this Prime

:09:41.:09:49.

Minister keeps on losing his temper. His worst nightmare is coming true.

:09:49.:09:53.

Not snakes and spiders in the jungle, but their fiscal role

:09:53.:10:00.

broken, they economic credibility in tatters, exposed now as

:10:00.:10:04.

incompetent and unfair. Yes, Mr Speaker, he is the Chancellor,

:10:04.:10:12.

can't somebody getting out of here? -- get him out of here. Borrowing

:10:12.:10:17.

revised up, fiscal rules broken. On every target they set themselves,

:10:17.:10:25.

failing, failing, failing. Cutting the NHS and not the deficit. Over

:10:25.:10:28.

�212 billion more borrowing than a promise two years ago. Cutting

:10:29.:10:33.

taxes for the rich, while struggling families and pensioners

:10:33.:10:43.
:10:43.:10:47.

pay the price. Unfair, incompetent We leave the House of Commons now.

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If you want to continue watching the Autumn Statement debate and

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question and answer, you can switch-over to BBC Parliament or go

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Now, Ed Balls took 20 minutes to reply to the Chancellor's 50 minute

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Autumn Statement. It was a dense, complicated statement by the

:11:09.:11:14.

Chancellor. Particularly some redefinition of how the deficit is

:11:14.:11:18.

calculated to or complicated factors on how much borrowing the

:11:18.:11:22.

Government is doing. We will try, as we go through the documents, we

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are already wading through them at the moment and this is just a small

:11:25.:11:29.

part of them, let's take a look at the main points as we understand

:11:29.:11:34.

them at the moment. We start with economic growth. The OBR, the

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Office For Budget Responsibility, an independent forecasters set up

:11:37.:11:41.

by Mr Osborne, is predicting there will be a small contraction in the

:11:41.:11:45.

economy this year of 0.1%. I understand within that forecast it

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expects the economy to actually go back into negative territory in the

:11:49.:11:53.

4th quarter of this year. That will be politically very dangerous for

:11:53.:11:56.

the Government, because it will mean that three out of the four

:11:56.:12:01.

quarters of this year would have been in negative territory. Very,

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very slow growth in 2013 of 1.2%, getting up to 2% in 2014, 2.3 in

:12:09.:12:15.

2015 and almost 3% in 2017. Take the final years with a pinch of

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salt, it really doesn't mean very much. It is this year, 2013 and

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then 2014 that matters. As a consequence of this growth, the

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Government has to decide how much it needs to borrow to finance

:12:28.:12:33.

spending, given that it does not tax enough to be able to meet all

:12:33.:12:37.

of its spending plans. Here is where it gets complicated. We need

:12:37.:12:41.

to look at the somewhat more carefully. The Government is now

:12:41.:12:45.

saying that in this financial year borrowing will be 108 billion. This

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is because of a number of changes that have been made. If you do not

:12:49.:12:53.

make these changes, we think it still comes in at about 120 billion,

:12:54.:12:58.

which is what the target was. It complicates the debate because both

:12:58.:13:01.

the Labour Party and independent observers were saying that

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borrowing was going to rise this year, compared to last year and be

:13:04.:13:07.

higher than the target. The way the Chancellor is presenting these

:13:07.:13:12.

figures, it actually falls in this year, against last year. It

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continues to fall in 2013 and 2014. It's down to 88 billion by 14/15. I

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have other figures here, car filleting them a different way,

:13:25.:13:29.

which suggest that the Government will still be borrowing 56 billion

:13:29.:13:35.

by 2017 and 2018. We need to unravel that, it's been made very

:13:35.:13:38.

complicated. Let's look at whether this means the Government has met

:13:38.:13:42.

its targets. The Government says that it is on course to meet its

:13:42.:13:49.

fiscal mandate. But it has missed the debt target, the accumulated

:13:49.:13:53.

deficit over all of the years that we as a nation have borrowed

:13:53.:13:57.

through our government as a share of GDP. It will not fall, as the

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Chancellor predicted. It will not fall in 2014 or 2015, indeed it

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will not fall until 2016/17. On tax and spending, this is where the

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austerity gets extended. Fiscal consolidation will be extended to

:14:16.:14:21.

2017/18. That is a fancy way of saying that the cuts continue. Not

:14:21.:14:26.

for five years, as originally planned, not for seven as it

:14:26.:14:31.

changed to, but for eight years. Departmental budgets, widely leaked,

:14:31.:14:34.

this is what the Whitehall departments themselves spend. That

:14:34.:14:40.

will be reduced by 1% next year, another 2% the year after that. It

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releases money that the Government tends to spend on public investment.

:14:43.:14:49.

A slight surprise, not entirely unexpected, corporation tax, the

:14:49.:14:53.

tax companies pay on profits, or should pay on their profits, is now

:14:53.:14:57.

cut to 21% in 20th April 14. The Chancellor has made a number of

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cats. Indeed, our corporation tax, that will be as low as it gets

:15:04.:15:12.

among the major corporations of the world. I think the OECD has a floor

:15:13.:15:22.
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Given that inflation is likely to be more than 1%, at the moment it's

:15:30.:15:34.

around 3, this means in real terms these benefits will fall. But it

:15:34.:15:38.

doesn't affect the state pension. The state pension will continue to

:15:38.:15:43.

rise roughly in line with inflation. Also, disability and care benefits

:15:43.:15:47.

will also be upgraded in line with inflation. That's a big chunk out

:15:47.:15:51.

of future increases in working-age welfare benefits, the Chancellor

:15:51.:15:59.

has taken back. Now personal taxes. Personal income tax - the allowance

:15:59.:16:04.

will rise by �235. This is the amount that you're allowed to earn

:16:04.:16:08.

before you pay any tax at all. That will take place in April. It brings

:16:08.:16:14.

it to around �9,440 that you'll be allowed to earn before you start to

:16:14.:16:20.

pay the 20% tax. He's also putting up a little bit, 1%, the higher

:16:20.:16:30.

rate. That's not the 45 or the 50, but the 40%. That's up by 1%. Still

:16:30.:16:34.

less than the rate of inflation. If you're on that, you'll get a real

:16:34.:16:38.

rise in taxes. The higher rate, which was widely thought to be

:16:38.:16:42.

capped is now capped at 40,000. He also said too that the size of the

:16:42.:16:48.

pension pot cue go for he's reducing from 1.5 million to 1.25

:16:48.:16:53.

million. It won't affect that many, but some. Now, fuel and energy.

:16:53.:16:56.

This is where for a brief moment we could say that the Chancellor

:16:56.:17:00.

turned into Santa. It was belief. Blink and you might have missed it.

:17:00.:17:05.

He announced not only would the three pence rise in fuel duty be

:17:05.:17:12.

cancelled in January. Not only postponed, but there are no plans

:17:12.:17:18.

for a rise in the foreseeable future. He's announcing separately

:17:18.:17:22.

a shale gas strategy. An attempt to get it out of the ground in Britain

:17:22.:17:28.

like in the United States. He want to talk about tax incentives and a

:17:28.:17:38.

new quango for this is the Office for Unconventional Gas. It would

:17:38.:17:43.

have been simpler to call it the Office For Shale. There's a lot on

:17:43.:17:48.

infrastructure spending here. has managed to find �5 billion by

:17:48.:17:52.

cutting some current spending. Most Civil Servants will be laid off.

:17:52.:17:55.

He's got �5 billion for extra capital investment in various

:17:55.:18:00.

infrastructure, including some new roads and he says 100 new schools.

:18:00.:18:07.

�1 billion to go on that, new schools and academies. That is a

:18:07.:18:10.

summary of what the Chancellor has summary of what the Chancellor has

:18:10.:18:14.

suggested so far let us see if we can just unpick this. Stephanie, I

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come to you first. Have you managed, putting you on the spot, because

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it's complicated, I saw three ways in which you can calculate the

:18:23.:18:26.

deficit depending on what you include. Can you enlighten? We know

:18:26.:18:29.

two things, which is sort of interesting. One, that he's

:18:29.:18:33.

claiming that all the figures that he gave us are sort of independent

:18:33.:18:37.

of the one-off factors that we knew about, that is the transfer of the

:18:37.:18:40.

pension fund and the Royal Mail and the effect of this sort of switch

:18:40.:18:44.

of the money that the Bank of England has been making on QE, so

:18:44.:18:48.

we know in a sense that he's not being creative on that score. What

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we are not so clear about is how borrowing is falling this year,

:18:52.:18:55.

despite all of the expectations that it would rise and what is

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particularly interesting to me, when you look at the figures - I

:18:59.:19:03.

always say don't just look at the overall borrowing, but look at his

:19:03.:19:09.

measure, the structural deficit, the hole he wanted to fill.

:19:09.:19:14.

Everyone was expecting that on the basis of what we know about what

:19:14.:19:18.

the office calculates these things, everyone was expecting that to go

:19:18.:19:21.

up with this new forecast. It's down. What the interesting

:19:21.:19:25.

implication of that is, is that they seem to be saying that the

:19:25.:19:30.

growth we have lost this year maybe won't be lost permanently and

:19:30.:19:33.

that's had a positive effect on all the future figures, so the point

:19:33.:19:36.

where he doesn't need the extra year of austerity that he announced

:19:36.:19:40.

today in order to meet that rule. That's what is strange. At the

:19:40.:19:44.

moment this mosture looks like it will come into surplus the same

:19:44.:19:49.

time we thought on the last figures, which is 2016/17. There's possibly

:19:49.:19:54.

room for that year to be taken back, if you are thinking about making

:19:54.:19:58.

plans for an election. He doesn't need that austerity on these

:19:58.:20:03.

figures to meet his targets for deficit. Of course, we had that

:20:03.:20:07.

admission that the debt stock was not going to fall in 2015. That

:20:07.:20:10.

moment will be deferred another year and who knows what will happen

:20:10.:20:14.

after that? The details of why borrowing is still falling I'm

:20:14.:20:18.

afraid I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it. I don't blame it.

:20:18.:20:23.

The risk for the Chancellor is he's been too clever by half. The

:20:23.:20:30.

brightest people in the country will pour them and these people are

:20:30.:20:35.

in this room. I just sail in behind them. They will pour over them. In

:20:35.:20:38.

the City and in the think-tanks and the Labour Party and it may not

:20:38.:20:44.

being as simple. We know it's not as simple as it seems. It could

:20:44.:20:47.

unravel. Remember, borrowing figures are essentially a forecast

:20:47.:20:53.

and the question of whether they exactly go up or go down is

:20:53.:20:56.

politically psychologically, hugely important to the Chancellor, and

:20:56.:21:01.

threw Ed Balls off his stride, it seems, but nickically a bit this

:21:01.:21:05.

and that way is not what matters. The big picture remains. The

:21:05.:21:09.

Chancellor said, "I told you I would get debt down by the end of

:21:09.:21:12.

this Parliament before the election. I'm not going to do so. I told you

:21:12.:21:17.

I would get the deficit sorted. The books balanced by the election. I'm

:21:17.:21:24.

not going to do that. It will take another three years from the

:21:24.:21:29.

original target." The core message remains bad, but it is intriguing,

:21:29.:21:32.

Andrew, that despite all that, he looked confident, the Shadow

:21:32.:21:37.

Chancellor was totally thrown off his side by the jeers of the other

:21:37.:21:42.

side. The question is is that political calculation right? At its

:21:42.:21:47.

core is this - George Osborne thinks that if the country believes

:21:47.:21:50.

borrowing's the problem, the deficit hawks, whether they are

:21:50.:21:53.

missing their own targets or not, are the people the country will

:21:53.:21:56.

turn to. They won't turn to the Labour Party, who don't think

:21:56.:22:00.

borrowing's the primary problem, but they think growth is the route

:22:00.:22:04.

to get borrowing down. That's what he's banking on. Labour were

:22:04.:22:08.

banking on today saying, "If you are even failing your own targets,

:22:08.:22:13.

if you are even failing in your own terms, surely the country will then

:22:13.:22:19.

say they've tried that and let's try something else?" Robert? What

:22:19.:22:26.

is striking to me is that the big, in a sense, economic event in the

:22:26.:22:33.

numbers is the 3.5 billion proceeds from selling the 3G spectrum. Sorry

:22:33.:22:39.

4G. I must get the technology right on this. That is essentially the

:22:39.:22:46.

sale of the airwaves to produce even faster smartphones and all

:22:46.:22:54.

that. What's he done? Broadly, that pays for the deficit reduction, or

:22:54.:23:00.

the debt reduction that he gets one year later. Indeed, the deficit

:23:00.:23:06.

reduction. If you strip that out, he would have had to have made much,

:23:06.:23:12.

much bigger cuts to public spending or put up taxes rather more. What

:23:12.:23:18.

is quite interesting is if you look at the so-called total policy

:23:18.:23:23.

decisions that the net effect of what he's done is, because the

:23:23.:23:27.

money comes in, in this year, it looks like there's a tightening,

:23:27.:23:30.

but in all the subsequent years he's more than spending what he's

:23:30.:23:34.

getting in. Actually, the net effect in subsequent years of what

:23:34.:23:39.

he's doing is to try to stimulate the economy. The interesting

:23:39.:23:43.

question is whether or not that will have the effect of getting

:23:43.:23:48.

growth going in the run-up to the general election. He's saying a

:23:48.:23:51.

one-off lump will be spent in subsequent years and he hopes that

:23:51.:23:57.

will generate growth as we get to 2015. The funny thing about this

:23:58.:24:02.

3.5 billion that if we are not for the proceeds, which they are

:24:02.:24:05.

putting in for this year, even though they haven't had the

:24:05.:24:09.

auctions for the 4G spectrum, but borrowing - he's putting it in the

:24:09.:24:13.

book - so borrowing would have risen maybe by a couple of billion

:24:13.:24:17.

had he not put that for this year. However, as Robert says, he's

:24:17.:24:21.

spending it in the next few years, which is what the Labour Party has

:24:21.:24:27.

told him he should do, spending those on investment and growth.

:24:27.:24:31.

Briefly, Labour had a huge windfall when it sold the last set

:24:31.:24:36.

technologies, 3G and actually Labour used it to reduce the debt.

:24:36.:24:43.

It didn't spend the proceeds, so it's quite interesting. The sun is

:24:43.:24:50.

shining now! It is. The growth figures are interesting. The

:24:50.:24:56.

country will decline by a small amount according to the OBR. It

:24:56.:25:01.

says 1.2%. He doesn't know that. It could easily - it's within a margin

:25:01.:25:11.
:25:11.:25:13.

of error that we could have another year of no growth. In a sense the

:25:13.:25:19.

politics is based on forecasts from a bunch of guys who are independent,

:25:19.:25:24.

but all their forecasts have been wrong. Every single year since the

:25:24.:25:29.

election and what's more they are exueming bouncing back in

:25:29.:25:33.

investment and they're -- assuming bouncing back in investments and

:25:33.:25:37.

they're wrong. We are not talking about taking the temperature

:25:37.:25:39.

outside, but we are talking about whether the forecasts suggest you

:25:39.:25:44.

might be on course. Now, may economically may not be terribly

:25:44.:25:48.

important, but politically it gives vital ballast to George Osborne

:25:48.:25:52.

when he has a good bit of news, which for him is this figure. But

:25:52.:25:58.

it also gives a ball loss to his opponents when by the forecasts he

:25:58.:26:01.

getting it wrong on the deficit and debt. They've been changing their

:26:01.:26:04.

view of the economy. They were initially felt to be in the first

:26:04.:26:09.

couple of years they were felt to be quite optimistic about the

:26:09.:26:13.

supply capacity of the economy. This crucial thing. Then last year

:26:13.:26:17.

they very radically downgraded their estimates and increased them

:26:17.:26:21.

again and they are much more optimistic than six months ago. I

:26:21.:26:23.

don't think any economists had say anything had happened to justify

:26:23.:26:28.

that change, but it's had a huge impact on the numbers. If the OBR's

:26:28.:26:31.

right the Chancellor will not be in for a good year, because the

:26:31.:26:36.

economy will go into decline. That's what the OBR is forecasting.

:26:36.:26:42.

Back to Jo who is in the Potteries. Thank you. George Osborne may have

:26:42.:26:48.

been limited on his spending power, but no expense is being spared here

:26:48.:26:53.

at the Wedgwood factory as 22 carat-gold paste is being applied

:26:53.:26:57.

to the plates. We'll find out whether businesses in the area are

:26:57.:26:59.

feeling flush after hearing that Autumn Statement from the

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Chancellor. I'm joined by three guests. Karen from the Federation

:27:04.:27:12.

of Small Businesses, Mike from an estate agent and a member from the

:27:12.:27:16.

CAB. We heard at the beginning that the economy is haling. Does it feel

:27:16.:27:20.

like that on the -- healing. Does it feel like that for you on the

:27:20.:27:23.

front line? I don't think is does. One of the biggest disappointments

:27:23.:27:26.

that we have seen today is not being able to see any move forward

:27:26.:27:30.

on the small business bank and actually the access to finance

:27:30.:27:33.

issues. It's very, very difficult for small businesses in particular

:27:33.:27:38.

to access affordable, reasonable finance. Even with the funding and

:27:38.:27:45.

lending scheme in place, why aren't they giving out the money? Well,

:27:45.:27:50.

people go to the banks, but they've restricted the criteria and they've

:27:50.:27:54.

made it very difficult to finance. The one billion was announced in

:27:54.:27:57.

the Liberal Democrats' conference earlier this year. That has been no

:27:57.:28:00.

surprise. The surprise is there's been no move forward on the issues

:28:00.:28:04.

that were discussed earlier this year. You are disappointed? Yes.

:28:04.:28:07.

When it comes to housing and planning, the Government has said

:28:07.:28:11.

time and again that that must be the drive for the economy. What is

:28:11.:28:16.

actually stopping big building projects going ahead? Is it really

:28:16.:28:18.

planning? It's part of it, but it's most encouraging that the

:28:18.:28:21.

Government have said there's a clear focus on economic

:28:21.:28:25.

regeneration in the planning system. That's being embraced by most local

:28:25.:28:29.

authorities, but clearly it has to work through the system. One of the

:28:29.:28:34.

big issues relates to smaller and medium-sized companies having the

:28:34.:28:37.

right sort of finance available to allow them to invest in new plant

:28:37.:28:42.

and machinery and property and we would welcome the new capital land

:28:42.:28:46.

regime announced today. That will help. That will allow businesses to

:28:47.:28:53.

invest up to �250,000 with 100% tax relief? Yes. Will some of your

:28:53.:28:58.

projects start? It will help. It's part of an overall package that

:28:58.:29:03.

needs to help generate more economic regeneration. Right. In

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terms of fairness, we hear the Chancellor saying that time and

:29:05.:29:08.

again that we are all in this together. How did you think it came

:29:08.:29:13.

across to the sort of people you are talking to on a daily basey at

:29:13.:29:19.

the CAB? I think we misunderstand the terms, "people on benefits." We

:29:19.:29:23.

equate it to people out of work, but the vast majority are actually

:29:23.:29:27.

in work if they're not of pension age. The growing poverty in this

:29:27.:29:30.

country is the poverty of people in work. We are seeing people who own

:29:30.:29:34.

their own homes using food banks. I would urge the Government to think

:29:34.:29:39.

about protecting those on the lowest incomes in work by raising

:29:39.:29:44.

the tariff that applies to benefits. Thank you to you all. We'll

:29:44.:29:48.

probably speak to you in a bit. We want your reaction and I'm joined

:29:48.:29:52.

now by Paul Lewis from BBC Radio 4's Money Box programme. Give us

:29:52.:30:02.
:30:02.:30:03.

your headlines from what you got The interesting bit was the

:30:03.:30:07.

increasing how much we can end without paying tax. We can actually

:30:07.:30:13.

not pay any tax on an income up to �9,440. Slightly worse news for

:30:13.:30:17.

those on higher incomes. The rate at which you pay higher rate tax is

:30:17.:30:22.

coming down to �41,450. They will get some of the benefit of that,

:30:22.:30:27.

but not all. On the business front, as you have been discussing, a rise

:30:27.:30:30.

in capital allowances so that businesses can invest and unlock

:30:30.:30:34.

the cash they have. It's very good news for businesses and people that

:30:34.:30:38.

are self-employed. One of the things that got a big cheer when I

:30:38.:30:41.

was sitting with the businesses was the cancellation of that three

:30:41.:30:46.

pence duty on fuel? It has be postponed twice. To this Bonett a

:30:46.:30:51.

third time would seem a bit silly. It's not just 3p, it is 3p and a

:30:51.:30:58.

bit, plus about E. It's more like 3.6, maybe even 4p. That will not

:30:58.:31:07.

happen again. It's good news for motorists and businesses, because

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that's a big part of expenditure. You want people to e-mail with

:31:11.:31:17.

questions? Could you read some of them that you have had? Yes, the

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other big thing was the cut in the increase in welfare benefits from

:31:20.:31:24.

April. This is jobseeker's allowance, but also employment and

:31:25.:31:29.

support alliance, which often is seen as a disability benefit. Now

:31:29.:31:36.

that is going to be raised by only 1%. Derek says, my wages have been

:31:36.:31:40.

frozen for five years, why should I pay for increases for those in

:31:40.:31:45.

welfare? He will be glad it is only a 1% rise. Michael in Londonderry

:31:45.:31:50.

says that in my city, every new job is hard fought for with thousands

:31:50.:31:54.

of applicants. Lots of people have no choice but to live on benefits.

:31:54.:32:00.

That cut, or at least not raising it with inflation, is going to save

:32:00.:32:05.

�1.5 billion per year by 2014/15. The fairness agenda is something

:32:05.:32:10.

that George Osborne has focused on a lot? Fairness between people in

:32:10.:32:14.

work and people out of work, that is how he sees it. More comments,

:32:14.:32:24.
:32:24.:32:28.

please. E-mail, Twitter or send us We will be Backworth more business

:32:28.:32:32.

reaction and more e-mails. -- back with.

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We have been discussing the economic picture before we went to

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join Jo. Before we get political reaction, a couple of things that

:32:40.:32:45.

affect all of us as individuals. If you are paying income tax, there is

:32:45.:32:50.

a small tax cut for you. The level at which you start to pay income

:32:50.:32:54.

tax has been increased by a couple of hundred pounds. If you are on

:32:54.:32:59.

benefits, working benefits, you are in for a 1% rise, not very much and

:32:59.:33:03.

lower than the rate of inflation. Although it is a 1% rise, in real

:33:03.:33:08.

terms, with rising prices, it probably means a cut. If you are a

:33:09.:33:12.

higher in a, fewer pension perks, including the amount of money you

:33:12.:33:17.

can put in tax free to your pension pot. Broadly, you are in a flat-

:33:17.:33:21.

lining economy. It's going to go down a bit this year, says the OBR,

:33:21.:33:26.

and only at a bit next year. Both within margins of error. Basically,

:33:26.:33:31.

the economy is just going along the bottom. If you are a motorist or in

:33:31.:33:36.

a haulage business, there will be no fuel duty rise. The price of

:33:36.:33:41.

petrol, as far as tax is concerned, will stay the same. A few things

:33:41.:33:45.

that affect you beyond the macro- economic picture and all of us as

:33:45.:33:49.

individuals. Let's go back to Matthew on the famous College Green

:33:49.:33:54.

outside the House of Commons. Let's discuss what we have heard

:33:54.:33:58.

with a former Chancellor and a former party leader, Sir Mingus

:33:58.:34:03.

Campbell. Lord Lawson is also with me. We were hoping that Alastair

:34:03.:34:07.

Darling it was going to join us. Perhaps he will in the coming

:34:07.:34:11.

minutes'. First of all, a snapshot of what you heard? It was like a

:34:11.:34:21.
:34:21.:34:22.

budgie, wasn't it? -- Budget. The important thing is that he did the

:34:22.:34:25.

right thing in terms of sticking to the budget deficit reduction plan,

:34:25.:34:29.

sticking firmly to Plan A. That was the most important thing he has

:34:29.:34:33.

done. He has had to take some uncomfortable positions in order to

:34:33.:34:37.

do it, but it is the right thing to do. One other thing that I was glad

:34:37.:34:44.

about, the go-ahead for gas in the UK. That is terribly important. One

:34:44.:34:48.

piece of good news that we have at the present time. Your headline

:34:48.:34:57.

thoughts? Very much like a Budget. As Nigel Lawson says, he has three

:34:57.:35:00.

confirmed the commitment to plan a. The deficit and debt is not coming

:35:01.:35:05.

down as fast as we like, but it is coming down. To say that we are not

:35:05.:35:10.

going to implement the proposed increase in petrol tax for January,

:35:10.:35:13.

we are going to help small businesses and we are going to

:35:14.:35:17.

reduce corporation tax by 1%, these are things that cheer it up the

:35:17.:35:23.

people sitting behind them. In contrast to some of the faces on

:35:23.:35:27.

the opposition side. He said he was sticking to Plan A and you were

:35:27.:35:30.

glad about that, but the bottom line is that austerity stretches

:35:30.:35:37.

even further, not just to 2017, but on to 2018? Sadly, that is a

:35:37.:35:41.

combination of the very difficult world we live in, notably the

:35:41.:35:47.

eurozone crisis which has plunged the European Continent into

:35:47.:35:56.

recession and disarray. But there are other problems as well. And

:35:56.:35:59.

there is the terrible inheritance of the deficit, which is coming

:35:59.:36:03.

down. We are making progress and the projections, not his

:36:03.:36:07.

projections but the Independent Office of Budget Responsibility,

:36:07.:36:11.

are for steady growth over the coming years. But the misery is

:36:11.:36:15.

extended. Do you not think that part of the equation for that, you

:36:15.:36:19.

talk about what is happening in the global economy, the eurozone, what

:36:20.:36:25.

about the basic economic policy, that the cuts were simply too fast?

:36:25.:36:30.

We are going ahead, the cut were not too fast at all. If you want to

:36:30.:36:33.

do anything more to make more progress on the economy, you don't

:36:33.:36:37.

want to do it by abandoning the budget deficit reduction plan. What

:36:37.:36:43.

you want to do is to get banks' lending again. That is the key,

:36:43.:36:46.

particularly to small and medium- size businesses. I hope that he is

:36:46.:36:50.

working on that. This is not a budgetary measure, but I hope that

:36:50.:36:54.

something would be coming forward on that front. You may not have

:36:54.:36:58.

seen it, but part of the way through that statement we saw Nick

:36:58.:37:03.

Clegg sitting behind the statement, shaking his head when George

:37:03.:37:08.

Osborne went through the reasons why he was not going to have a new

:37:08.:37:11.

band of council tax for very rich homes. That is not something I have

:37:11.:37:19.

seen before. It is no secret that there was a division of opinion on

:37:19.:37:25.

the decision... Whether it is a larger tax will not, the joint

:37:25.:37:29.

decision was not to proceed. But what came out was that the economy

:37:29.:37:35.

shrank by 6.3% in 2007. That was the inheritance. A much more

:37:35.:37:41.

serious inheritance than was anticipated. Another quick thought

:37:41.:37:44.

from you, how comfortable like you to see benefits raised by only 1%

:37:44.:37:48.

for some of the poorest people in society? Are you comfortable with

:37:48.:37:54.

that? I wish it was possible to raise them by much more. But all

:37:54.:37:57.

public sector employees have been confined to an increase of 1%.

:37:57.:38:02.

final question to you, Lord Lawson, on growth. We saw those figures

:38:02.:38:06.

downgraded in the years ahead. Do you think there's enough of what

:38:06.:38:09.

you heard, we heard from the British Chamber of Commerce,

:38:09.:38:11.

talking about the blizzard of announcements, they said many of

:38:11.:38:16.

those ended up being pie-in-the-sky. They want is to be tangible and now.

:38:16.:38:21.

That has to go beyond rhetoric, to delivery? Well, look, if you could

:38:21.:38:24.

just press a button and deliver growth, any Chancellor would do

:38:24.:38:29.

that. But it's not like that. You have to be patient. The projections

:38:29.:38:35.

from the Independent Office of Budget Responsibility are that we

:38:35.:38:39.

will be steadily growing over coming years. I think we are on the

:38:39.:38:43.

right track. Thanks very much for your time. More from me in a little

:38:43.:38:50.

We and are joined by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny

:38:50.:38:54.

Alexander. Welcome to this Daily Politics special. The economy is

:38:54.:38:59.

going to decline this year. It will decline in the 4th quarter, it will

:38:59.:39:02.

barely rise at all next year. If you are on benefits, you will have

:39:02.:39:06.

a real cut in the big standards. If you work in the public sector, you

:39:06.:39:11.

will have a real cut as well. These are bad times? The these are tough

:39:11.:39:15.

times for the country, absolutely right. This is an Autumn Statement

:39:15.:39:19.

about the world as it is, not a world as we might have hoped it

:39:19.:39:23.

would be when we started in office. What we are taking today is

:39:23.:39:28.

decisions that recognise the fact that the period of fiscal restraint

:39:28.:39:32.

has to carry on for longer. Those who have the most are contributing

:39:32.:39:35.

the most of the next phase of deficit-reduction. We are using

:39:35.:39:40.

some of the revenues we generate from that in the earlier years to

:39:40.:39:44.

support the economy, create jobs, cut taxes in the short term for

:39:44.:39:47.

businesses so they can get on with Investment. Crucially, through

:39:47.:39:53.

reducing fuel duty and increasing the personal allowance, something

:39:53.:39:56.

Liberal Democrats a campaign for for a long time, that we get more

:39:56.:39:58.

money into the pockets of people that are working hard and

:39:58.:40:02.

struggling to make ends meet. you are on benefits, your real

:40:02.:40:05.

living standards will fall. If you work for the public sector, your

:40:05.:40:09.

living standards will fall. It will serve it in Whitehall, you have a

:40:09.:40:12.

pretty good chance of losing your job. Maybe not the poorest in

:40:12.:40:16.

society, but some of those on ordinary incomes are suffering a

:40:16.:40:20.

lot more than most. That is absolutely right. In fact, there is

:40:20.:40:23.

an important piece of information in the Autumn Statement itself

:40:23.:40:25.

which shows that since the financial crisis the incomes of

:40:25.:40:30.

people in work have increased by about 10%. The income of people on

:40:30.:40:34.

benefits over the same period had increased by 20%. In that context,

:40:34.:40:40.

say to people, yes, you will get a raised this year and they year

:40:40.:40:45.

Wrafter, but it will be under inflation, on top of decisions that

:40:45.:40:50.

make the wealthy pay more tax, on top of clampdowns on tax avoidance,

:40:50.:40:54.

it is part of a package to answer the question of how we sort out the

:40:54.:40:59.

country's finances. We inherited a mess from the previous government,

:40:59.:41:03.

and if we fail to sort that out the problems will be much worse.

:41:03.:41:06.

have made the issue of borrowing so complicated now that none of us can

:41:06.:41:11.

follow it properly. I am sure that the is intentional. But we have

:41:11.:41:15.

managed to unravel... Not in the least. The Office of Budget

:41:15.:41:19.

Responsibility presented the figures very clearly, with or

:41:19.:41:22.

without the transfer of the coupons and the asset purchase facilities,

:41:22.:41:29.

with and without... This OBR is to your government what the iron dome

:41:29.:41:35.

is for Israel! You hide under everything from it. Can I make a

:41:35.:41:39.

serious point? We have created the OBR as an independent body so that

:41:39.:41:43.

we do not, as politicians, have a chance to skew the figures. We have

:41:43.:41:48.

an independent body which tells us, as they see it, how the economy is.

:41:48.:41:52.

I'm prepared to accept their numbers and the analysis behind it.

:41:52.:41:58.

If you take off the distortions and one-offs, the Royal Mail, the banks,

:41:58.:42:02.

taking back the money that you have paid as a government to the Bank of

:42:02.:42:06.

England in interest, you take that back and put it on your own books,

:42:06.:42:09.

in this current year your borrowing will be 120 billion. Just a little

:42:09.:42:14.

bit upon what you said in March. But the way you present it, it is a

:42:14.:42:19.

huge fall? The borrowing is falling on any of the measures that the OBR

:42:19.:42:24.

presented. In their report, though analysts will see that it has been

:42:24.:42:27.

presented with and without all of these factors are so that it is

:42:28.:42:32.

transparently available. The OBR, the central forecast, it is that

:42:32.:42:34.

borrowing will fall this year compared to last year. It will fall

:42:34.:42:38.

next year, the year after. I am quite happy to admit that the

:42:38.:42:42.

borrowing is not falling as fast as we wanted where we started out.

:42:42.:42:45.

Because they say the economy is in a worse situation because of what

:42:45.:42:49.

is going on in the year rose and... It's not falling at all this year,

:42:49.:42:54.

if you strip out the factors. Last year you borrowed 120 billion. This

:42:54.:42:59.

year, your borrowing 120 billion. It is the same. So your borrowing

:42:59.:43:03.

is not falling? When you strip out the Asset Purchase Facility and so

:43:03.:43:07.

on, I think it is falling by �1.5 billion this year, compared to last.

:43:07.:43:12.

You put a lot of emphasis on infrastructure programmes in this

:43:12.:43:19.

budget. Since you came to power, you have announced 18 new major

:43:19.:43:23.

road schemes. How many have started? I don't know the precise

:43:23.:43:26.

answer of the top of my head. I know quite a few have started. I

:43:26.:43:35.

was down in Bristol, seeing the M 5, I was down in Torbay seeing the

:43:35.:43:38.

bypass being built. Yes, some of these were under way before you

:43:38.:43:41.

came to power. These are things that we have announced as a

:43:41.:43:45.

government. Well, our evidence is that almost no major new road

:43:45.:43:49.

schemes have started. I don't agree with that. In the last Autumn

:43:49.:43:56.

Statement, you said that you would leverage 21 billion of new private

:43:56.:44:00.

sector investment into public- sector investment. How much have

:44:00.:44:04.

you leverage? Well, we have a national infrastructure plan,

:44:04.:44:07.

dinners or an update published today which sets out in detail...

:44:07.:44:14.

How much? Let me just finish the answer. Once we have announced in

:44:15.:44:19.

the last few months the new infrastructure projects, pension

:44:19.:44:28.

funds have put �2 billion into the pensions infrastructure platform.

:44:29.:44:31.

We announce today an extra �5 billion of government money.

:44:31.:44:40.

Actually, the Government investment into its infrastructure is a

:44:40.:44:43.

greater share of the economy than it was in Labour's time in office.

:44:43.:44:47.

That might be CRU, an interesting answer, but he doesn't answer the

:44:48.:44:51.

question I asked. Of the �21 billion new private sector

:44:51.:45:00.

investment... Are I don't know the It is when the money hits the

:45:00.:45:06.

ground that people want to know. Our understanding is that of the 21

:45:06.:45:10.

billion, so far you only have a commitment for 700 million. And

:45:10.:45:14.

it's not been spent? I have no idea what those figures refer to, I

:45:14.:45:18.

would happily look at them after the show. Of the �5 billion you

:45:19.:45:23.

have added on to this, is it true that only 700 million of that will

:45:23.:45:31.

be spent in the current financial It will almost be spent starting

:45:31.:45:35.

next April and the April after. We have an investment programme in new

:45:35.:45:40.

college building and new school building, in some new road schemes

:45:40.:45:44.

and maintenance, which is crucially important to communities all around

:45:44.:45:48.

the country. These are schemes that can get under way to create jobs

:45:48.:45:52.

and we crucially raise the quality of infrastructure. Dueshing the

:45:52.:45:55.

last Government's time in office we -- during the last Government's

:45:55.:45:59.

time in office we fell in the league tables in infrastructure.

:45:59.:46:04.

That's why we are increasing the amount of money in infrastructure.

:46:04.:46:07.

Why is house building falling? You are always talking about that and

:46:07.:46:12.

the way of getting growth into the economy. Because of lack of demand

:46:12.:46:15.

for mortgages and because of the problems in the banking system that

:46:15.:46:21.

we're trying to address through the scheme. So people can get mortgages

:46:21.:46:24.

easier. It's falling for a whole range. Will it continue to fall?

:46:24.:46:28.

I'm not sure what the OBR forecasts on that. I'm not going to offer a

:46:28.:46:34.

forecast. You should have a hotline to them, so you know what to say.

:46:34.:46:37.

Government investment in house building is increasing. Part of the

:46:37.:46:42.

package announced to is new money to unblock sites and to bring in

:46:42.:46:47.

tens of thousands of more housing starts over the next two years, so

:46:47.:46:49.

part of house building that is supported by the Government will

:46:49.:46:54.

see a big increase over the next few years. The Chancellor announced

:46:54.:46:58.

some tough and deep spending cuts today, but as I understand it,

:46:58.:47:02.

there's another �10 billion of cuts for you to find in the spending

:47:02.:47:07.

round that you'll be doing? That's right. In the first half of next

:47:07.:47:11.

year I'll be carrying out a public spending round to find an extra �10

:47:11.:47:14.

billion of savings from unpected departments to maintain the

:47:14.:47:18.

protections that were put in place through the Parliament in terms of

:47:18.:47:22.

increasing health spending and school spending and meeting our

:47:22.:47:25.

overseas aid commitment. I'll be sitting down over the next few

:47:25.:47:31.

months to work out where they can be found. People might see the pain

:47:31.:47:34.

today, taxes up and spending down and think that's bad, but it's far

:47:34.:47:39.

from it. There are a lot of other cuts may be programmes not just

:47:39.:47:43.

bureaucrats. Perhaps squeezes on working people's benefits not just

:47:43.:47:49.

the unemployed still to come? are. We have to fill out all the

:47:49.:47:53.

details of what Government will spend on what. It's in a year when

:47:53.:47:56.

this Government will be in power for the first two weeks and we have

:47:56.:48:00.

to do it, oh that means asking questions of departments. I'm

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committed to making sure in doing that we focus on protecting

:48:04.:48:06.

spending that is good for the economy and that supports economic

:48:06.:48:10.

growth, but you are quite right, there will be a lot more tough

:48:10.:48:18.

choices down the track. If the Government has set enormous store

:48:18.:48:25.

by the AAA credit rating, most nan lists expect you to lose that in

:48:25.:48:30.

the first few months of the year, because of the deterioration in

:48:30.:48:33.

growth, which has been confirmed today and the worsening in

:48:33.:48:39.

borrowing, which has been confirmed today. How serious an embarrassment

:48:39.:48:44.

to you will that be if you lose AAA? Thear not the be all and end

:48:44.:48:48.

all. What matters -- they are not the be all and end all. What

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matters to me is we have a fiscal plan to ensure the markets can have

:48:52.:48:56.

confidence in us. This is a country that can pay its way in the world

:48:56.:48:59.

because we can keep our interest rates as low as they are. One of

:48:59.:49:04.

the things today is information about what the impact would be of a

:49:04.:49:09.

rise in interest rates. 1% in mortgages would cost �12 billion a

:49:09.:49:13.

year, and that's why we place heavy emphasis on maintaining the

:49:14.:49:15.

credibility. You would distance yourself from the Prime Minister

:49:15.:49:21.

and Chancellor who boasted about that AAA? I wouldn't at all, but

:49:21.:49:25.

what lies behind that is not an obsession with ratings, but making

:49:25.:49:28.

sure that the country continues to have a strong and credible fiscal

:49:28.:49:32.

policy, which we maintained very strongly and sticking to the road

:49:32.:49:36.

we started out on, through the decisions in the statement today.

:49:36.:49:40.

If the economy fails to recover in the way that you hope, do you think

:49:40.:49:44.

that the Liberal Democrats and the Tories can hold together in terms

:49:44.:49:48.

of the future path of economic policy I've absolutely no doubt

:49:48.:49:53.

that we will, because we have set out on this task together and it is

:49:54.:49:56.

what caused the coalition to be formed to sort out the country's

:49:56.:50:00.

problems to clean up the mess that Labour left. Yes, it is taking

:50:00.:50:03.

longer and because of the problems in the eurozone and around the

:50:03.:50:06.

world, growth is slower than we would have hoped for, but we're on

:50:06.:50:10.

the right road and making progress and I think that the best thing for

:50:10.:50:13.

this country, speaks as a Liberal Democrat and I'm sure George would

:50:13.:50:17.

say as a Conservative, is to stick to the road. Before you go, you do

:50:17.:50:22.

have to rush, I'm told, is that right? I'm happy to answer some

:50:22.:50:25.

more questions. I can't think of anything more important than being

:50:25.:50:32.

on The Daily Politics. I always enjoy this. Stephanie can ask a few

:50:32.:50:34.

questions. Did you get enough out of the Tories for this? You are

:50:34.:50:40.

going to have to put up with real cuts in welfare payments and

:50:40.:50:44.

continued freezes in public-sector pay effectively. You didn't get a

:50:44.:50:49.

mansion tax or higher council tax bands. All you've got is the

:50:49.:50:53.

inability of well-off people to put more into their pension funds than

:50:53.:50:57.

they would have done. There's not much there? The most important

:50:57.:51:00.

things about the details in the statement today is it's balanced.

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It's asking as much from the wealthy in terms of tax increases

:51:03.:51:08.

as much as it is asking from the welfare rates that we talked about

:51:08.:51:13.

earlier and re-investing money back into helping people on middle and

:51:13.:51:16.

lower incomes, to a further increase in the tax allowances. You

:51:16.:51:21.

know the number one policy in the 2010 manifesto that I wrote, was to

:51:21.:51:25.

lift the income tax threshold to �10,000. We are only a short hop

:51:25.:51:28.

away. As a result, from next April, working people will have an extra

:51:28.:51:31.

�50 a month in their pockets, thanks to the decisions the

:51:31.:51:35.

Government has made in delivering that policy. It's a balanced

:51:35.:51:40.

package, but most importantly, it's a package that keeps the country on

:51:40.:51:43.

the right track economically. was interesting to me that the

:51:43.:51:47.

Chancellor didn't mention his target measure of borrowing in the

:51:47.:51:50.

speech and of course, spectical as I am, I thought maybe that means

:51:50.:51:55.

that the story's not very good, but it's interesting to me that

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actually the story is better than it was even six months ago and much

:51:58.:52:05.

better than anyone expected the OBR to give. It hasn't actually meant -

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I'm a bit surprised if you are balancing your target measure of

:52:08.:52:12.

the deficit in the same year that you were before, in 2016/17, why do

:52:12.:52:15.

you need the extra year of austerity in 2017? Is that

:52:15.:52:19.

something that will be taken away before the election? No, it's a

:52:19.:52:25.

good yes. -- question. It goes back to what Andrew was talking about.

:52:25.:52:29.

The OBR said and George said that we meet the fiscal mandate over the

:52:29.:52:33.

five-year period. With the asset purchase facility coupons, as you

:52:33.:52:37.

were saying, it's in 16/17 and without it it takes another year

:52:37.:52:40.

and it's right for us to plan on the basis that we are going to need

:52:40.:52:42.

to continue to take further difficult decisions, particularly

:52:43.:52:46.

to ensure that we hit the target and also to ensure that we get the

:52:46.:52:52.

debt falling, because in the end we are going to be spending �60

:52:52.:52:57.

billion by debt interest repayments and we need to make sure it comes

:52:57.:53:04.

down. The savings on the benefits, those that you are making that are

:53:04.:53:06.

quite significant the year after next, are most of those coming from

:53:06.:53:11.

people who are out of work or from the change in the uprating of all

:53:11.:53:19.

the people who are in work, but who get working tax credits? It's a 1%

:53:19.:53:23.

uprating policy across the policy. Most of the savings won't be from

:53:23.:53:27.

the people behind the blinds and the scroungers that the Chancellor

:53:27.:53:30.

talks about? It comes from both groups. I would also say to you

:53:30.:53:34.

that the people in work will be the most substantial beneficiaries of

:53:34.:53:37.

the increase in the income tax personal allowance. Those people

:53:37.:53:41.

will be gaining significantly in terms of paying less tax, albeit

:53:41.:53:48.

that the benefits and tax credits they receive will go up by less.

:53:48.:53:52.

Nick, just one question on that. You said that the amount gotten

:53:52.:53:57.

from the rich, as it were, is the same from the poor. I get this as

:53:58.:54:03.

3.5 billion is raised from curbing benefits. But the only tax rise I

:54:03.:54:07.

can see on individuals, as against on banks for example, as against

:54:07.:54:13.

tax avoidance and so on, actually someone says, "I will now pay more

:54:13.:54:19.

tax." That is that pensions tax relief which raises much, much less

:54:19.:54:24.

than 3.5 billion? The pensions measure raises around �1 billion a

:54:24.:54:29.

year. Not uprating the higher rate, which affects not the wealthy, but

:54:29.:54:36.

the better off, it raises another �1 billion. In 15/16 we get another

:54:36.:54:39.

�1 billion from the yield from the Swiss deal, which is money that is

:54:39.:54:43.

hidden overseas by wealthy people in the country who thought they

:54:43.:54:47.

would get away without paying tax. They may saying getting money out

:54:47.:54:52.

of us that has been hidden is not in any sense equalised by taking

:54:52.:54:56.

money away from people who depending on welfare. It's your job

:54:56.:55:00.

anyway. Getting this money if from people who thought they could hide

:55:00.:55:04.

their money from the British tax system is a very, very good thing.

:55:04.:55:10.

It's a one-off. It is spread over a number of years. We also have a

:55:10.:55:13.

number of avoidance policies which don't feature on the score card at

:55:13.:55:18.

this time, about the extra investment we are putting into HMRC

:55:18.:55:23.

which will raise a further �2 billion by the end of the

:55:23.:55:29.

Parliament. There is a lot going on to make sure that everyone pays

:55:29.:55:32.

their way. If you look at the distribution analysis you will see

:55:32.:55:36.

all that set out in some detail. Thank you very much for giving us

:55:36.:55:42.

more time than you were allocated. Though not more than you deserved.

:55:42.:55:46.

I'm glad you went to see the by pass being built because it was

:55:46.:55:55.

first proposed more than 50 years ago. INAUDIBLE. As I said that, I

:55:55.:56:00.

just thought that's what he's going to say! We'll just see houpbgz it

:56:00.:56:05.

takes you to finish -- how long it takes you to finish. Back to

:56:05.:56:08.

Matthew on The Green. Thank you. We heard from the Conservatives and

:56:08.:56:12.

the Liberal Democrats. We'll hear from Labour and speak to Chris

:56:12.:56:15.

Leslie, Shadow Treasury Minister. Thank you very much for being here.

:56:15.:56:20.

What did you make of what you heard from the Chancellor? I think the

:56:20.:56:27.

difficulties that we have seen in terms of the economy in 2012 have

:56:27.:56:31.

caused real problems with borrowing and with debt. We have seen more

:56:31.:56:34.

revised borrowing figures getting worse and worse and we have seen

:56:34.:56:38.

the debt figures looking very, very bad indeed. It turns out, and we

:56:38.:56:42.

have had a chance in the last 30 minutes to look through the details

:56:42.:56:47.

of it, that the Chancellor can only claim that his borrowing figures

:56:47.:56:52.

look reasonably better because he's pencilled in the proceeds from the

:56:52.:56:56.

sale of the 4G spectrum auction, even though the proceeds for that

:56:56.:56:59.

haven't yet been realised. There are some questions now about the

:56:59.:57:04.

way in which the Chancellor is presenting the borrowing statistics,

:57:04.:57:11.

putting into the public finances 3. 5 billion of revenue which have not

:57:11.:57:15.

materialised. Targets aside, but most people's daily lives are the

:57:15.:57:18.

most important thing, petrol, that was good news, wasn't it? We were

:57:18.:57:23.

calling for a freeze in that. Of course, it's gone up by three pence

:57:23.:57:27.

because of the VAT increases. Don't forget, anybody filling their tank

:57:28.:57:32.

won't be seeing prices coming down, but they won't be going up at fast.

:57:32.:57:35.

Of course it's welcome. When we voted on it, the Government voted

:57:35.:57:40.

against that, so I'm not sure they won't make that announcement then.

:57:40.:57:44.

Schools and science and transports - �5 billion? We'll see where they

:57:44.:57:48.

are getting the money from. There is the issue of giving to Peter and

:57:48.:57:52.

taking from Paul. They took �3 billion out of the schools'

:57:52.:57:55.

infrastructure budget when they were elected. Putting one billion

:57:55.:58:00.

back if doesn't make up that gap. All the things that potentially

:58:00.:58:05.

people will welcome, you respond to in a Qual tide way. Where would you

:58:05.:58:07.

get opinion from? There isn't mathying money out there? I think

:58:07.:58:12.

what you have to do is look at the priorities. We wouldn't give �3

:58:12.:58:17.

billion away to the wealthiest in society, the millionaires who will

:58:17.:58:21.

get a tax cut in April and spend �3 billion reorganising the National

:58:21.:58:24.

Health Service. There has to be pay restraint, but there are other

:58:24.:58:28.

choices. We should have a reduction in the EU budget, but the key thing

:58:28.:58:33.

we have to come back to is growth. Unless you recognise that a healthy

:58:33.:58:36.

economy drives the health of public finances you'll never solve this

:58:36.:58:40.

and we have seen the Chancellor yet again kicking the can further down

:58:40.:58:45.

the road, and not dealing with the fundamental issues and breaking his

:58:45.:58:49.

promise to balance the books by 2015. We heard the Chancellor

:58:49.:58:52.

challenge you and others. He said people who don't want to cut

:58:52.:58:57.

spending they have to raise the taxes or the debt or both and

:58:57.:59:01.

that's your exclusion to spend more? I think there are key

:59:01.:59:04.

critical developments that need to be made now to stimulate growth and

:59:04.:59:08.

get confidence back. If we can continue, as the Chancellor himself

:59:08.:59:13.

had to admit, having a shrinking economy, so the economy actually

:59:13.:59:17.

gets smaller in 2012, then there's no wonder the public finances

:59:17.:59:21.

continue to deteriorate. How many more years will very to say to the

:59:21.:59:23.

Chancellor focus on growth and think about the health of the

:59:23.:59:26.

economy and the public finance issues will flow from that? Thank

:59:26.:59:36.
:59:36.:59:37.

you very much. Andrew, back to you. We are not the only people in this

:59:37.:59:42.

town doing some number cinching. They're doing it in the Sit --

:59:42.:59:49.

crunching. They're doing it in the City. Over now to Susannah Streeter

:59:49.:59:58.

in the City. There's a sense of relief following the Chancellor's

:59:58.:00:02.

statement. Relief that the UK is still on that path to austerity.

:00:02.:00:09.

There were concerns that the bond market could plummet really, but in

:00:09.:00:14.

fact gilts, UK Government debts have risen, which many say is good

:00:14.:00:20.

news for future borrowing for UK plc, but there's not been much

:00:20.:00:30.
:00:30.:00:32.

Let's talk to Mike Ingram, a market watcher. Tell me what you took from

:00:32.:00:37.

the statement, as far as trying to restore growth in UK PLC? Given the

:00:37.:00:41.

very limited room for manoeuvre that George Osborne had, and we all

:00:41.:00:45.

know that the numbers are extremely tight, I think he did a reasonably

:00:45.:00:49.

good job. He stuck to the principle of trying to read direct revenues,

:00:49.:00:54.

expenditure, away from current expenditure, away from overhead,

:00:54.:00:57.

into capital expenditure, spending that might see some sort of return

:00:57.:01:01.

in terms of developing businesses and support for the all-important

:01:01.:01:06.

SMEs. There was that announcement as well, a big increase in relief

:01:06.:01:11.

for capital expenditure. How much will that impact the small-to-

:01:11.:01:14.

medium businesses that are the lifeblood of the economy? I think

:01:14.:01:19.

it to be very significant indeed. As George Osborne pointed out, that

:01:19.:01:26.

includes 90% of corporates in the UK. Having his 100% tax relief,

:01:26.:01:36.
:01:36.:01:36.

from 25,000, up to 250,000, its a big boost. We heard about that �5

:01:36.:01:39.

billion fund for capital expenditure round things like new

:01:39.:01:44.

homes, for example, what impact will that have on growth in the

:01:44.:01:49.

long term? Andrew Smith is chief economist at KPMG. What to do take

:01:49.:01:53.

on the statement? Did you think there was anything that would help

:01:53.:01:59.

the economy return to growth and health? There are bits and pieces.

:01:59.:02:03.

The Chancellor has been tried to combine deficit-reduction with

:02:03.:02:07.

economic recovery. He's not actually getting much of either, as

:02:07.:02:11.

he had to admit. He tended by low growth and, on the other side, by

:02:11.:02:16.

his fiscal rules. There will be a small alleviation, but at the end

:02:16.:02:19.

of the day we are looking at a multi year fiscal contraction,

:02:19.:02:26.

which is going on to 2080 now. Thank you very much. More from you

:02:26.:02:30.

a little bit later. You can see it is still a very tough tightrope

:02:30.:02:35.

that the Chancellor is walking. So far, from the city, a cautious

:02:35.:02:45.
:02:45.:02:46.

You are watching live coverage and analysis of the Chancellor's Autumn

:02:46.:02:49.

Statement on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel. If you have just

:02:49.:02:52.

joined us, let's bring you have to date with a couple of the key

:02:52.:02:55.

points from George Osborne's statement. Let's begin with the

:02:55.:03:01.

forecast, not his forecast, but the forecast of the Independent Office

:03:01.:03:06.

for Budget Responsibility. It is now saying the economy will shrink,

:03:06.:03:11.

not by much, but certainly no signs of growth. Nothing like the third

:03:11.:03:15.

quarter, where we had growth of about 1%. Next year, not much

:03:16.:03:20.

better. The Government is on course to get its structural deficit down.

:03:20.:03:25.

But it is taking longer to do that. It's not on course to get net debt,

:03:25.:03:29.

the accumulation of all of the deficits that we'd have racked up

:03:29.:03:33.

over the years, called the national debt, that is not going to fall as

:03:33.:03:39.

a share of our national wealth until some time after 2016. That's

:03:39.:03:43.

a target that the Chancellor didn't make. What about taxes? Any joy

:03:43.:03:52.

there? Income tax, the personal allowance rises to 900 and --

:03:52.:03:56.

�9,440. You don't start paying tax until you ironing that amount of

:03:56.:04:01.

money. For those on higher incomes, the 40% tax threshold is rising by

:04:01.:04:11.

1% in both 2014/15 and 2015/16. In real terms, you will be paying more.

:04:11.:04:14.

If you run a business, corporation tax is down, the Chancellor has

:04:14.:04:23.

made many cuts to corporation tax. Other measures, if you are wrong

:04:23.:04:27.

working-age benefits, such as jobseeker's allowance, your

:04:27.:04:32.

increases over the next three years will be capped at 1%. Again, that

:04:32.:04:39.

is less than the rate of inflation. However, if you are a motorist, the

:04:39.:04:43.

three pence rise in fuel duty is coming through in January, it has

:04:43.:04:47.

not just been postponed, it has been scrapped altogether says the

:04:47.:04:51.

Chancellor. If you are a civil servant working in Whitehall,

:04:51.:04:55.

departmental budgets are going to be cut by 1% next year and another

:04:55.:05:01.

2% the year after that. That on top of the 17% cuts already laid down

:05:01.:05:04.

in previous Chancellor statements and budgets. It is likely,

:05:04.:05:10.

therefore, to mean some redundancies.

:05:11.:05:14.

Let's get some more political reaction and talk to Angus

:05:14.:05:19.

Robertson for the SNP and Elfyn Llwyd from Plaid Cymru. They are in

:05:19.:05:26.

the Central Lobby. Angus Robertson, or public spending, more public

:05:26.:05:30.

investment, Scotland will get its share, what are you going to spend

:05:30.:05:38.

it on? First off, it's important to note that the growth forecasts are

:05:38.:05:41.

as problematic as they are. It's a problem in Scotland and Wales, the

:05:41.:05:46.

whole of the airship kingdom. It's a real cause for concern. -- United

:05:46.:05:50.

Kingdom. Capital projects coming on line, those are shove already

:05:51.:05:54.

projects that the Scottish government have had ready to start

:05:54.:06:01.

immediately. About half of those projects will be returned to

:06:01.:06:04.

Scotland. I'm not sure if you have reported that North Sea oil

:06:04.:06:09.

receipts will contribute �10 billion in the next financial year.

:06:10.:06:13.

Scotland is contributing significantly to the UK. You would

:06:13.:06:18.

not expect me to overlook the comparison that we would be able to

:06:18.:06:23.

make far better decisions in Scotland around the budget, given

:06:23.:06:27.

that Scotland is in a better budgetary situation than the UK.

:06:27.:06:32.

That is the great advantage of an independent vote in 2014, when we

:06:32.:06:34.

can secured the decision-making powers of Scotland to make them

:06:35.:06:39.

closer to home, rather than having a Tory government we did not elect

:06:39.:06:44.

making bad decisions. I expected you to get to that point, in spite

:06:44.:06:49.

of my question being about something else! The Government, or

:06:49.:06:52.

the Prime Minister in Prime Minister's Questions, pointed out

:06:52.:06:56.

that the money in the health service in Wales is being cut. Will

:06:56.:07:00.

you have a chance to increase that with money coming your way from the

:07:00.:07:03.

overall spending settlement? depends what the Labour government

:07:03.:07:07.

decide to do. Their priorities clearly are not in the area of

:07:07.:07:10.

health, which she would have thought would have been a priority.

:07:10.:07:14.

That is the first point. We have campaigned for a long time for

:07:14.:07:17.

borrowing powers for borrowing powers for the Welsh government.

:07:17.:07:23.

That has been welcomed by the Silk Commission. No mention of it today,

:07:23.:07:26.

but we need those powers to kick- start the economy and make sure

:07:26.:07:30.

that capital projects within health, with their many public service, are

:07:30.:07:35.

brought forwards. Clearly, they are not at the moment. I'm disappointed

:07:35.:07:39.

with the general thrust of today's announcements. As Angus said, his

:07:39.:07:44.

figures, are they dependable? I'm not sure if they are. In 2010, he

:07:44.:07:49.

was talking of a growth rate of 2.8%. This year we are talking

:07:49.:07:55.

about 0.1%. In fact, his 5 billion towards closing the gap, as it were,

:07:55.:07:59.

is going to be negligible in terms of effect, according to the IFS.

:07:59.:08:06.

Ernst and Young say that in order to increase GDP by 0.5% per annum,

:08:06.:08:10.

you actually need �14 billion per annum invested. It is really going

:08:10.:08:15.

to be negligible. It is more austerity. Incidentally, hitting

:08:15.:08:19.

the ball, the easy targets. I don't know if people realise, it's clever

:08:19.:08:24.

sleight of hand. -- hitting the poor. Benefits were going to go up

:08:24.:08:28.

by RPI, then they were switched to CPI, now it is in accordance with

:08:28.:08:34.

average wages, lower again. I think that is awful. It shows that the

:08:34.:08:38.

Tory party are still the nasty party, here they are at work.

:08:39.:08:42.

they're not even going to be going up in line with wages, less than

:08:42.:08:45.

that. Time now to say goodbye to viewers

:08:45.:08:49.

in Scotland. Goodbye. They are going to join Andrew Kerr for

:08:49.:08:55.

politics Scotland. We can now talk to Alan Moreton

:08:55.:09:00.

Island business editor Jim Fitzpatrick, outside Stormont. --

:09:00.:09:04.

Alan Northern Ireland business editor. How is it going down there?

:09:04.:09:08.

Cringing the figures, it looks like Northern Ireland is actually a win

:09:08.:09:15.

out of this one. The public spending is the economy in Northern

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Ireland. It accounts for 70% of our economy. We rely on �10.5 billion

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from Westminster to keep this place ticking over, that is the amount we

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take, as opposed to what we get back. How it turns out to date is

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that we will see an increase of capital spending over the next

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couple of years of �131 million. We will see a decrease in resource

:09:37.:09:46.

spending of �32 million. Pretty much a gain of almost �100 million

:09:46.:09:50.

for Stormont to spend on infrastructure. That will, of

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course, be welcomed. Something else that has been sneaked in, which

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might be of interest of those that followed the energy industry. The

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carbon floor tax, Northern Ireland is going to be exempt from that.

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The argument is that we are an island, it would put generators in

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Northern Ireland and it's an advantage compared to the republic.

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That has been sneaked in and it Just looking at the growth figures,

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the OBR, the official growth forecast of just over 1%, 1.2% for

:10:31.:10:38.

next year, up to 2% for 2014. Just two point out that the OBR is still

:10:38.:10:44.

more optimistic on growth than the average of independent forecasters.

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They don't even think the economy is going to grow by as much as the

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OBR. As we were saying, the record of the OBR has been that it has

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been far too optimistic. I wouldn't bet the bank on these forecasts. Jo

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is with Paul Lewis in Stoke-on- Trent.

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Yes, George Osborne, the Chancellor, has painted a pretty tough picture

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with more gloomy times ahead. As far as he is concerned, he's got to

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try to find and generate that elusive problem of more growth in

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the economy. Let's talk to Paul Lewis from BBC Radio Four's

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Moneybox programme. Was there anything in a statement that said

:11:27.:11:30.

you are that this will generate growth? The big thing was the

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increase in capital allowances for businesses. You can spend �25,000

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and write it off in the first year. It's going to be �250,000, a

:11:40.:11:44.

tenfold increase. The businesses I have spoken to say it is a very

:11:44.:11:48.

good thing. They can spend money, it will boost the economy and they

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can get full tax relief. Do you think it will be enough? Big

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corporations are sitting on, they admit, quite a lot of cash they

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don't want to invest? I think it will help smaller businesses more

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than big ones. What big business needs is the feeling that if they

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start investing the economy is going to grow. As we have seen, the

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Chancellor says it has actually shrunk for the whole of 2012.

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really that optimistic in terms of what people can expect? What have

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people been sending you e-mails about? Edward in Oxford is in

:12:20.:12:23.

business and he said he would have liked a national insurance holiday

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so he could take on new staff about the expense of national insurance.

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That hasn't happened. We certainly have people liking to cut... Sorry,

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not the cut, they're not been a rise in fuel duty. That's gone

:12:42.:12:47.

altogether. That's important for people in rural areas. Also for

:12:47.:12:51.

businesses that rely on fuel. Everything we have in our homes has

:12:51.:12:55.

been delivered by road somewhere. That is a big saving and could help

:12:55.:12:59.

business a lot. On the personal side, a rise in tax allowance in

:12:59.:13:05.

April from what we were expecting by another remand, �9,440 before we

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pay tax. That will put a bit of cheer back in people who face pay

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cuts and pay freezes. Let's get local reaction and talk

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to our guests who come from across the region. I am joined by Barry

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Proctor, who runs a haulage company. Julie White owns a concrete cutting

:13:23.:13:33.
:13:33.:13:34.

company. Mike Benniston is a pub landlord. That 3p rise in fuel duty

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not happening, will that have an effect? It really pleased, I would

:13:40.:13:44.

like to thank the lobbying from fair pay on fuel. Also welcome news

:13:44.:13:50.

is the Investment allowance. Will you take advantage, or other

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companies? We will take advantage, yes. What about the state of the

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construction industry? That's my biggest concern. We are heavily

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involved in the construction industry. My major customer

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operates nine Brickworks in the UK. At this moment there is not a

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single works producing a brick. Any improvement in house building would

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be very welcome. There was nothing in the Autumn Statement that would

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inspire you to think that would happen? A little bit, but not much.

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What is your biggest concern? the infrastructure. They have been

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talking about it, I think it is �33 billion they are talking about

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comedy at the structure they are putting into roads, housing and

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schools. But nothing is happening. We really need a push. We need to

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actually get the sites ready and going. It takes six months, nearly,

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to tender and then get to start. When the Chancellor says we are

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releasing this money to go to capital investment and

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infrastructure, we are talking about at least another six months?

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Even from now to them. So we need more time. The other thing is no

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apprentices. They didn't mention anything at apprentices. We have

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companies like Wedgwood, why can't we get a national insurance holiday

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for every employee we hired? It would be great for small businesses

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and young people. For you and your business, I presume the idea of

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what they call fiscal consolidation, more austerity until 2018, what

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will that do to your spending power of your customers? It will give

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them less money in an industry that is already depreciating on an

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:15:45.:15:47.

average of about 12 pubs week now closing. The thought of a third --

:15:47.:15:52.

further five years of less money in people's pockets, it has an adverse

:15:52.:15:56.

effect on our business because people have not got the money in

:15:56.:16:06.
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their pockets. If they have got the We have to diversify. From our

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original business, we are diversifying in different ways. We

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have put in planning permission to open a village shop, as part of a

:16:17.:16:21.

community-based project. So, our original business is developing

:16:21.:16:26.

into other areas. In terms of diversification, have you had to

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lay any one-off? Not yet, but at the moment, I have got a third of

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my fleet doing traction only. Coming up to Christmas, the food

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chain gets very busy, so we have got a third of the fleet doing

:16:41.:16:45.

traction, delivering to supermarkets and things like that.

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We are hoping that in January, things will pick up, and we will

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have them back on the bricks. There needs to be an awful improvement in

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house building. I do not understand, with the amount of money we are

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paying out at the moment in housing benefit, but we are not building

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more houses for these people, rather than lining the pockets of

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very wealthy landlords. As far as staff are concerned, the Chancellor

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said that employment has been a better picture than had been

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thought - do you agree with that, or are people doing Les hours, is

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that how you have managed to keep hold of people? Well, we have

:17:26.:17:32.

diversified. I have bought a company, and we have started two

:17:32.:17:38.

new technologies, within the area of cutting. But it is tough. Thank

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you very much to all of you. We will be coming back to the Wedgwood

:17:43.:17:53.
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factory in the next hour or so. We are joined now by Paul Johnson,

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from the Institute for Fiscal Studies, something of a default

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think tank at moments like this! We went into this with the following

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deficit figures - we had a deficit of �121 billion in 2011 / 12. We

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were then forecast �120 billion for this current year, then �90 billion

:18:19.:18:24.

in 2013, and �75 billion in 2014/15, so it was going down, but not

:18:24.:18:29.

dramatically. What has happened? The good news is that the budget

:18:29.:18:32.

deficit this year does not look like it will be any worse than it

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was forecast to be back in March. That is partly because the

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Government is expecting departments to underspend, partly because tax

:18:40.:18:43.

revenues are holding up reasonably well, and partly because they are

:18:43.:18:48.

getting some extra money from selling 4G licences. Going forward,

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it looks rather worse. Three or four years out, it looks like the

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deficit will be �30 billion or so more. That is a big problem. What

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is causing that? Lack of economic growth, that is all. It is much

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lower than it was expected to become a back in March. Lower

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growth, higher borrowing. That is it. Never mind the forecasts, the

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borrowing for the first seven months of this financial year, 2012

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/ 13, is more than the last financial year, leading many people

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to predict that borrowing this year would be substantially higher than

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last year - what happened to that? Just one week ago, we were

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expecting that borrowing would be more this year than last. I did not

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want to mention that it was you! Three things seem to have happened.

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First of all, the Office for Budget Responsibility is being relatively

:19:49.:19:54.

optimistic for tax receipts. Secondly, department will spending

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seems to be coming in even lower than had been expected. Secondly --

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thirdly, there is this one off �3.5 billion, from the 4G auction. So,

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he has got three things which are going towards making that number.

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But in some of the figures I have seen, this year's deficit was going

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to be about the same as last year's, and you still think that is where

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we are? He is saying the deficit will be �108 billion this year?! Is

:20:26.:20:31.

that jiggery-pokery? We have all sorts of different numbers. That is

:20:31.:20:37.

why he has confused us to! The one he quoted, the �108 billion, I

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think included the transfer of money from the Bank of England. The

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comparable number is �120 billion. Essentially he is saying that

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borrowing this year will be near as damn it the same as last year.

:20:49.:20:58.

it is not really deficit-reduction? It is certainly not much of one.

:20:58.:21:03.

is interesting that it does seem to make quite a big difference to the

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structural picture. I was very optimistic initially looking at

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these figures, but then I realised there wasn't yet another * But I

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should have followed, to get another shot, -- to yet another

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chart, to take account of these transfers from the Bank of England.

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Is it right, is it actually a long- term improvement, that the

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Chancellor has actually been help - - helped by the Bank of England's

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decision to buy all of this debt to help the economy? Well, if it has

:21:40.:21:44.

had a good effect on the economy, which it was intended to do, then

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it will have that effect. It has made it cheaper to borrow was well.

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He is getting the interest back that he was given to the Bank of

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England. The overall story is of a structural deficit which is bigger

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than was inspected in March, so there is some help, but it is not

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taking us out of a hole. Can you just explain to people watching

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this programme, who have to pay their credit card bills and balance

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their accounts every week and every month, a system whereby the

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Treasury cells and are set to the Bank of England, called gilts, and

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it pays interest on that, and that interest goes into the Bank of

:22:26.:22:30.

England's balance sheet as income, and then, after a while, the

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Treasury says, give us that income back, we wanted on our balance

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sheet! If any individual did that, you would end up in jail? It is a

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strange but of accounting, but it does not change anything real..

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is using it to change the figures are! Unfortunately in his speech he

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used figures which included those numbers. But in the main

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documentation, you can see the numbers without that. It is not

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changing anything. We are still going through. Do not go away. We

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have got a lot more to ask you. I must try the idea of paying

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interest and then asking for it back with my own bank account!

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Stefani, thanks for being with us. I have got to go to the Office for

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Budget Responsibility, to see how they explain it all. You will be

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there all night! Let's see what some members of Her Majesty's press

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have got to say about this. We can go back to Matthew, on College

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green. I am sure he will be able to do a Leveson-compliant interview!

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Yes, we have got Polly Toynbee, from The Guardian, as well as

:23:45.:23:48.

journalists from the Economist macro and from the Evening Standard.

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What have you made of it? It is very grim, worse than we might have

:23:52.:23:57.

thought. All the forecasts turn out to have been wrong, yet again. Time

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and time again, the OBR seems to get it spectacularly wrong. Away

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the pain has been shared has been yet again singularly unfair. Four

:24:09.:24:15.

times more taken from the poorest tenth than from the richest.

:24:15.:24:19.

think he was trying to do two things with this statement. First

:24:19.:24:24.

of all, he has been trying to get a quality of suffering theme going,

:24:24.:24:29.

so you will find the tax thresholds have changed, so that over the next

:24:29.:24:33.

three years, if you were any more, you will certainly be contributing

:24:33.:24:38.

more. I think what he is trying to do, squeezing benefits at the other

:24:38.:24:42.

end, he wants people to have every possible reason to going to work.

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So yes, it is tough, on that account. In terms of real lives,

:24:48.:24:55.

what he wants to do is to say, I am going to be easing off on petrol,

:24:55.:25:00.

but at the same time, it is hard, targets are not being met at the

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moment, and it would not be the first government where targets have

:25:03.:25:08.

been missed. You mentioned fairness - George Osborne said he was

:25:08.:25:12.

targeting bureaucracy, benefits, the well-off. He thought that was

:25:12.:25:17.

fair - you think not? He makes a very unfair distinction between the

:25:17.:25:20.

strikers and the skivers, between people on benefits and people in

:25:20.:25:25.

work. The truth is, he is cutting tax credits, and three-quarters of

:25:25.:25:28.

people on tax credits are in work. The idea that you can make a

:25:28.:25:31.

distinction between people on benefits and people in work is

:25:31.:25:36.

utterly wrong, and he knows it, and most people know it. Tax credits

:25:36.:25:39.

are very important to ordinary, working families, and yet he blurs

:25:39.:25:43.

the edges of that, by talking about people who are still asleep in the

:25:43.:25:48.

morning. Most of the people out of work desperately want to find jobs.

:25:48.:25:52.

Most of the people whose benefits have been cut are in work,

:25:52.:25:54.

enclosing their housing benefits. Most of the people going on to

:25:54.:25:58.

housing benefit are in work. terms of the political argument,

:25:58.:26:02.

one question raised was, could George Osborne convince people that

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this was the only strategy, however painful? Do you think he managed to

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convince people? He will not convince people who thought from

:26:10.:26:14.

the beginning that this was the wrong tactic, and that we should

:26:14.:26:20.

simply borrow more and continue with fiscal indiscipline. They were

:26:20.:26:24.

never going to be convinced. But in terms of austerity, I would say

:26:24.:26:29.

that the wavering voters broadly feel this is necessary. They wish

:26:29.:26:35.

that things were better, but they will have had to concede that it

:26:35.:26:40.

has been harder than he had said at the outset. The polls are beginning

:26:40.:26:43.

to switch, interestingly. Many more people are saying they think we

:26:43.:26:48.

have had enough cuts, compared with the number saying that what counts

:26:48.:26:54.

is the deficit only. If only he had borrowed in order to invest, but

:26:54.:27:02.

borrowing is going up anyway. We have an economy which is shrinking

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 43 seconds

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On BBC Two we have Paul Johnson still with us. One of the issues we

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were talking about is the impact of the 1% rise in benefits for a

:29:12.:29:18.

three-year period has quite big distributional impact, doesn't it?

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Those dependent on benefits, those on the lowest incomes, not

:29:22.:29:28.

pensioners, and this is not affecting pensioners, only goes on

:29:28.:29:34.

working age, they will seek their real incomes fall by just over 1% a

:29:34.:29:41.

year. But it is worth saying that over the last two or three years,

:29:42.:29:45.

earnings have been increasing a lot slower than benefits. You could

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argue that this is partially reversing a situation in which

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those dependent on benefits have been doing better than those

:29:54.:30:03.

dependent on innings. Robert? of what will determine things like

:30:03.:30:05.

if these allegedly more cautious deficit assumptions are going to be

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hit in years to come, will we keep our credit rating and the rest of

:30:11.:30:15.

it, is what happens to growth. If you look at the OBR forecast of

:30:15.:30:21.

growth, it is expecting something of a recovery next year. If you

:30:21.:30:25.

drill down bits of it, you can take for granted they are going to be

:30:25.:30:28.

negative. For the first time, general government consumption is

:30:28.:30:32.

going to fall. Government investment is going to continue to

:30:32.:30:35.

be squeezed. You can assume that these negative things are going to

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happen. Then they say that we do expect consumer spending to bounce

:30:41.:30:47.

quite a lot, up 0.9%, business investment to go up 0.9%. A

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positive contribution from trade. In recent years, all of that has

:30:51.:30:57.

disappointed. There are pretty good reasons to be cautious, I think, in

:30:57.:30:59.

assuming we are going to get that kind of private sector recovery

:30:59.:31:05.

next year. Do you think that this growth forecast is credible? It's

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probably as credible as you can get. So it's not credible!? It's not

:31:11.:31:15.

massively out of line with other forecasts. In its a little more

:31:15.:31:19.

optimistic. It is less optimistic than last year. There is clearly a

:31:19.:31:25.

risk that it will yet again have to be taken down in a year's time.

:31:25.:31:30.

Let's put this in context. We have now had former careers of the worst

:31:30.:31:35.

growth we have ever had, certainly since the 1920s. There is a very

:31:35.:31:41.

real sense in what the OBR is suggesting, and do the forecasts,

:31:41.:31:45.

it is unbelievably pessimistic given how bad things have been,

:31:45.:31:50.

assuming that we have not lost very large swathes of the economy, at

:31:50.:31:54.

some point we will move back. The problem that everybody has got his

:31:54.:31:58.

when it starts to turn around. was looking at that distributional

:31:58.:32:03.

figure, that the Labour Party are drawing people's attention to, the

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charts produced by the Treasury to show who gains from these measures.

:32:09.:32:15.

Anybody in the bottom half of society loses, people just above

:32:15.:32:18.

the halfway mark gain a little, presumably from the personal tax

:32:18.:32:24.

allowance and fuel duty. Then the richest 10% take quite a big hit.

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In other words, it is sometimes misleading when you say that the

:32:30.:32:36.

rich suffer, the poor suffer, there are quite a lot of people just

:32:36.:32:40.

below the middle who suffer more than those just above the middle.

:32:40.:32:50.

It's interesting what we mean by the rich. We usually mean somebody

:32:50.:32:59.

slightly richer than us! If you are in the proper sense -- top 10%, it

:32:59.:33:04.

might not feel like the super rich. What you have got is a set of

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measures, the fuel duty, the personal allowance, that will help

:33:08.:33:12.

those in the upper middle. Those dependent on benefits might be

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losing as a result of the changes. Just as those who are earners have

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lost because their earnings are falling. When you strip out the

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extra things that have been put in, the Royal Mail, the Bank of England

:33:27.:33:32.

giving back its interest to the Treasury, financial intervention

:33:32.:33:36.

transfers, I'm not quite sure what that is, but strip that out as well,

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is the deficit... It falls, but it doesn't seem to be falling that

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fast. It's still going to be 60 billion in the 2016/17. Has he had

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to revise yet again the fall in the size of his borrowing? Yes, he has

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had to say that my borrowing has fallen significantly slower than I

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hope last year, which was itself falling much slower than he had

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hoped here before. He had to push out his target to get us back into

:34:06.:34:11.

structural balance by an extra year, or of the way through to 2017/18.

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He's had to announce another set of spending cuts. So, yes, he is

:34:17.:34:21.

borrowing more now than he hoped to be back in March. Even back in

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March? A lot more than back in autumn of last year when he told us

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he was going to borrow a lot more than he told us in June of 2010?

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It's all been going in the same rather unhelpful direction, yes.

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Final points before we move on? That's the interesting part, the

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politics. Do you look at these statements and dredge them against

:34:41.:34:45.

what the Conservatives said when they were trying to get into office,

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or do you judge them against the extraordinarily low expectations

:34:49.:34:53.

that have been created in the last few weeks? In the latter, it is

:34:53.:34:58.

just a little bit better than we thought. Borrowing has not gone up.

:34:58.:35:03.

If you judge them by six months ago, a year ago, two years ago, they are

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dreadful in every possible description. We measured debt

:35:10.:35:12.

differently in this country from how the European Union measures

:35:12.:35:19.

debt. On their measure, I guess we get to pretty much 100% of GDP?

:35:19.:35:24.

Even on these figures, we are rising up to 80%, more than we had

:35:24.:35:27.

hoped for before. Yes, it would be significantly higher on eurozone

:35:27.:35:32.

measures. I think Nick is right, these are terrible numbers on a

:35:32.:35:36.

long-term basis. But it's perhaps we get used to how bad things are.

:35:36.:35:41.

We shouldn't, we should continue to be appalled by how bad things are.

:35:41.:35:46.

Consider us appalled! That's for being with us.

:35:46.:35:50.

-- thanks. Let's bring you have to date with the key points in the

:35:50.:35:54.

Chancellor's Autumn Statement. Let's begin with tax and duties.

:35:54.:35:58.

They are most interesting to individuals. Income-tax, the

:35:59.:36:01.

personal allowance, the amount before you have to start paying tax

:36:01.:36:10.

is rising in April of 2013 to �9,440. If you are a much higher

:36:11.:36:14.

paid person than that, the amount that you can put into your pension

:36:14.:36:21.

fund and get tax relief on is now down to �40,000, from �50,000. Also,

:36:21.:36:25.

the lump sum that you are allowed to grow, we don't have the details,

:36:25.:36:33.

but that has been reduced from �1.5 million, down to about �1.25

:36:33.:36:43.
:36:43.:36:46.

million. If you are a motorist, the three pence rise planned for

:36:46.:36:51.

January is not going to happen. Benefits, one of the big areas

:36:51.:36:53.

where the Government is clawing back a lot of money by making

:36:53.:37:00.

changes. Working-age benefits, the increase would be capped at 1% for

:37:01.:37:06.

three years. I presume that is 1% a year for three years, not 1% over

:37:06.:37:15.

three years. Even so, if we assume inflation is 2%, it is a real-terms

:37:15.:37:19.

cut. The changes will save almost �4 billion by 2015/16, which is

:37:19.:37:23.

what the Chancellor needed to get borrowing to continue to fall. The

:37:23.:37:29.

state pension is not touched, it will rise by 2.5%, the working

:37:29.:37:34.

assumption of inflation that the Government is making, to �110.15

:37:34.:37:38.

next year for the single state pension. What about business?

:37:38.:37:42.

Businesses got a bit of a surprise cut. It wasn't expecting a

:37:42.:37:47.

corporation tax cut. It gets one, but has to wait until 2014, when it

:37:47.:37:51.

will be down to 21%, about the lowest of any of the major

:37:51.:37:56.

economies in the Western world. The Investment allowance, particularly

:37:56.:38:00.

to encourage small businesses to invest, that has increased tenfold

:38:00.:38:06.

from �25,000, up to �250,000. Desperate, the Chancellor, to see

:38:06.:38:11.

small businesses making investments, to get the economy growing. That is

:38:11.:38:14.

tax relief to encourage them to do so. They can write it off very

:38:14.:38:21.

quickly. Small business rate relief has been extended until 2014.

:38:21.:38:24.

So, that is some of the things the Chancellor thought would please

:38:24.:38:28.

business. Let's get an overall reaction to what is pleasing the

:38:28.:38:32.

markets and how the City sees it. Let's go over to Susannah Streeter

:38:32.:38:37.

in Canary Wharf. Hello, I am after BGC Partners,

:38:37.:38:41.

where I have been all day, gauging their reaction of economists,

:38:41.:38:46.

market watchers and tax advisers to the Autumn Statement. Also, on ways

:38:46.:38:50.

to restore the UK economy to good health. The City doesn't like

:38:50.:38:57.

surprises and there were not many for them. There has been there for

:38:57.:39:02.

reaction in the stock markets, the FTSE 100. Also, stocks and shares

:39:02.:39:07.

of companies involved in the UK infrastructure, for example in

:39:07.:39:09.

communications, transport and construction, they have not changed

:39:09.:39:15.

much. The bond markets, there has been a slight lift in gilts. That

:39:16.:39:22.

is a change. Let's talk to Allister Heath, the editor of City AM. Gilts

:39:22.:39:27.

have risen, UK government debt shows that there is a bit more

:39:27.:39:32.

confidence in what the Chancellor is doing. The market could have

:39:32.:39:35.

dropped dramatically? The real story is that nothing has really

:39:35.:39:38.

changed. The national debt is still going up at a very fast rate. The

:39:38.:39:43.

deficit is massive, it is going to be bigger than we previously

:39:43.:39:52.

thought. Really, what we are going to see his, year after year, the

:39:52.:39:55.

unending austerity has been pushed back another year. The plan will

:39:56.:39:59.

last for seven years, rather than six or four, as previously thought.

:39:59.:40:03.

We had a few measures, the relief on capital expenditure is going up

:40:03.:40:09.

quite dramatically. Also, this 5 billion capital fund for investment

:40:09.:40:12.

in infrastructure. How much of an impact would that have won growth?

:40:12.:40:17.

One or two of the measures that have an impact. This new rule will

:40:17.:40:22.

make it cheaper or easier to invest, buy new factories and computers.

:40:22.:40:26.

That has been welcomed. The cuts to corporation tax will be good news

:40:26.:40:29.

and will boost the UK's attractiveness as a place for

:40:29.:40:33.

companies to come. There are also some negative measures. The pension

:40:33.:40:36.

industry was hit by a reduction in tax relief. There was another raid

:40:36.:40:39.

on banks at a time when the Government wants them to lend more

:40:39.:40:45.

money. It sort of balance itself out. On balance, there are a few

:40:45.:40:49.

more pro-growth measures, rather than the anti-growth measures. A

:40:49.:40:53.

lot of debt, a lot of deficit, I don't think that picture has

:40:53.:40:59.

changed. We are still going to see years and years of austerity.

:40:59.:41:02.

sure that is good to be the headline in City AM. Something

:41:02.:41:06.

along those lines, years of austerity to come. For the City, it

:41:06.:41:10.

has been viewed as business as usual.

:41:10.:41:14.

Let's get some more political reaction to the Autumn Statement of

:41:14.:41:18.

2012. We are joined by the leader of the UK Independence Party, Nigel

:41:18.:41:22.

Farage. You must be pretty happy to see the deficits continuing to go

:41:22.:41:27.

down, growth coming back into the economy, Britain beginning to look

:41:27.:41:33.

a little bit better again? haven't spotted any of that. We are

:41:33.:41:35.

two and-a-half years into the Government, the deficit is still

:41:35.:41:40.

enormous, growth is Pitt Report. Nothing has really improved at all.

:41:40.:41:44.

What we have today are another series of forecasts, heading out

:41:44.:41:47.

for the next three, four, five years, that frankly look like

:41:47.:41:51.

fantasy land given what is going on. By giving courage and complement

:41:51.:41:54.

the Chancellor of what he has done to encourage shale gas development,

:41:54.:42:04.
:42:04.:42:05.

on what he has done to encourage investment. But I don't think they

:42:05.:42:09.

have done enough to get growth into the economy. But where are the cut?

:42:09.:42:13.

This was a government that was going to hack back quangos. I can't

:42:13.:42:17.

see anything like that being proposed at all. I don't think he

:42:17.:42:22.

is being radical enough. proposed a new quango for a

:42:22.:42:27.

conventional gas, an interesting title to have. Other than leaving

:42:27.:42:32.

Europe, let's park your raison d'etre, what else would you have

:42:32.:42:37.

them do? Well, leaving Europe would of course Sadie 1% of your

:42:37.:42:41.

expenditure. There is also a fairly urgent need to look at much of the

:42:41.:42:45.

foreign aid budget, which is not reaching the right destinations.

:42:45.:42:49.

They are the short term, easy things to do. Under those years of

:42:49.:42:54.

Labour government, we grew something like an extra million

:42:54.:42:58.

people working throughout quangos, the civil servants and deep

:42:58.:43:03.

bureaucratic layer in this country. And we have got to make some big,

:43:03.:43:06.

very deep cuts in those areas. And I don't think that this government

:43:06.:43:11.

has got the courage to do it. I believe it needs to be done.

:43:11.:43:15.

came a distant second in Rotherham and you didn't do badly in some of

:43:15.:43:20.

the other by-elections. Bjorn nip and tuck with the Lib Dems, now in

:43:20.:43:24.

the polls, you are sometimes ahead. What are you going to do for an

:43:24.:43:28.

encore? We are going to keep on going and show people we are not

:43:28.:43:31.

just a party that talks about who governs Britain and why we should

:43:31.:43:35.

not be part of the European Union. We are also a party talking about

:43:36.:43:40.

how that Britain should be governed. What I would like to see today,

:43:40.:43:43.

particularly for Britain's 4.2 million small businesses, I would

:43:43.:43:47.

like to see some changes to employment regulations. We saw none

:43:47.:43:56.

Let's go back to Jo Coburn, in Stoke-on-Trent. The Government is

:43:56.:44:00.

fond of saying that those with the broadest shoulders should bear the

:44:00.:44:05.

heaviest load. So, was that evident in the announcements made by the

:44:05.:44:10.

Chancellor today? What is certain is that the Government has admitted

:44:10.:44:16.

that austerity will last until 2018, and that is likely to lead to

:44:16.:44:21.

further belt-tightening. Let's discussed that with my local --

:44:21.:44:27.

with my three guests, a local says the agent, a member of the TUC, and

:44:27.:44:29.

a representative of the Confederation of British Industry.

:44:29.:44:34.

Is anybody buying and selling houses? The only people selling are

:44:34.:44:44.

those that feel forced to. If you look at inflation, the numbers are

:44:44.:44:48.

down by 26%. The only people selling are forced, and the only

:44:48.:44:52.

people really buying our investors, who have the funding available to

:44:52.:44:57.

buy, to let them out. Getting a mortgage, is that the big problem,

:44:57.:45:02.

or is it that people are unsure about the future? In this area, we

:45:02.:45:05.

have one of the highest rates of unemployment in the country, so

:45:05.:45:09.

there are very few people who are in a position to apply for a

:45:09.:45:18.

mortgage, and those who are just do not have the deposit. How are

:45:18.:45:25.

Estate Agents managing? We also do nettings. The rental market is very

:45:25.:45:29.

strong. We are quite focused on those who are in receipt of housing

:45:29.:45:33.

benefit, because they make up such a large part of this local area.

:45:33.:45:37.

The Chancellor is talking today about people who make a lifestyle

:45:37.:45:41.

choice to stay in bed while others go to work, and quite frankly, that

:45:41.:45:46.

is not the case in Stoke-on-Trent. People do not have the choice.

:45:46.:45:50.

Let's talk about that lifestyle choice, because George Osborne says

:45:50.:45:55.

he has got to share the pain fairly - is he doing that? Absolutely not.

:45:56.:46:03.

Here in Stoke, four people are chasing every job. In areas like

:46:03.:46:10.

Stoke, it has been economically on its knees. Taking �3.5 billion from

:46:10.:46:15.

benefits, the majority of which go to people in work, it is the wrong

:46:15.:46:19.

cure at the wrong time. He painted a picture of somebody sitting in

:46:19.:46:23.

their room with the blinds closed and not working, is that what you

:46:23.:46:31.

think? The majority of people claiming benefit are in work. Raids

:46:31.:46:35.

on working tax credits and on child credit across the board are

:46:36.:46:39.

squeezing family income. They are then not spending in the local

:46:39.:46:44.

economy, and shops are struggling. Let's take that point. People will

:46:44.:46:49.

not have much more disposable income after today - how does that

:46:49.:46:54.

affect businesses - cake we have to realise, there is not a magic cure

:46:54.:46:58.

to the economic situation. The Chancellor mentioned about the UK

:46:58.:47:01.

having to compete in the world, and there was some good news today

:47:01.:47:06.

about encouraging companies to export. There was the cut in

:47:06.:47:13.

corporation tax, amongst others. But there is no magic solution.

:47:13.:47:19.

There you go, there is no magic wand, and George Osborne says, the

:47:19.:47:23.

richest in society are paying their fair share of taxes. It is simply

:47:23.:47:28.

not the case. We said in 2010 that cutting so hard and putting more

:47:28.:47:32.

people on the dole was not the right solution, and we have been

:47:32.:47:36.

proved right. But employment has stood up better than might have

:47:36.:47:44.

been expected. As has been said, under-employment is a huge issue.

:47:44.:47:50.

People are not earning enough money. When things are going wrong, it is

:47:50.:47:54.

about time we admitted it, and acknowledged that we cannot keep

:47:54.:47:58.

putting these targets back time and again, but we actually need to

:47:58.:48:02.

invest in jobs and services. People will remember that what got a lot

:48:02.:48:06.

of the economy into trouble was an overheated housing market - you

:48:06.:48:11.

would not want to go back to that, would you? We would not. But we

:48:11.:48:16.

have got a housing shortage. In the West Midlands we estimate 17,000

:48:16.:48:22.

new households were formed, and only 8,500 houses were built. So,

:48:22.:48:26.

we are building up a shortage of homes. We would like to see

:48:26.:48:29.

investment in housebuilding, to create jobs and to supply the

:48:29.:48:33.

housing for the future. Briefly, is that what you would like to see as

:48:33.:48:37.

well we would like to see more investment in infrastructure and in

:48:37.:48:47.
:48:47.:48:50.

construction generally. That's it from us here. Back to the studio.

:48:50.:48:56.

We are joined by the Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Rachel

:48:56.:48:59.

Reeves. Welcome to the show. Labour said the deficit was going up this

:48:59.:49:06.

year, but the OBR shows it is either static or going down, so you

:49:06.:49:10.

were wrong. In the first six months of this year, the deficit has risen.

:49:10.:49:15.

The only way the Chancellor can say that the deficit is going to fall

:49:15.:49:22.

is because he has just put the sale of the 4G licence in, but that

:49:22.:49:25.

option has not happened yet, so he is banking on it arriving before

:49:25.:49:30.

the end of March, which may or may not happen. It does not change the

:49:30.:49:34.

underlying picture, which is that for every year of this Parliament,

:49:34.:49:37.

bowling has been revised up, and by the end of Parliament, debt will

:49:37.:49:41.

still be going up as a share of GDP, in contrast to what the Chancellor

:49:42.:49:45.

said, which was that debt would be falling, and that the structural

:49:46.:49:50.

deficit would be eliminated within this Parliament. But he has said

:49:50.:49:53.

many times that he has cut the deficit inherited from Labour by

:49:53.:50:03.

25%. That is true, and the Office for Budget Responsibility forecast

:50:03.:50:13.
:50:13.:50:13.

confirms that, does it not? Well, they said they were going to

:50:13.:50:16.

eliminate the deficit during this Parliament. It is not that they

:50:16.:50:21.

have not put up taxes for ordinary families, and cut public spending,

:50:21.:50:25.

because they have done both of these things, but the reason the

:50:25.:50:29.

borrowing has gone up is because the economic recovery has been

:50:29.:50:33.

chopped off, the economy is going to shrink this year, and we have

:50:33.:50:37.

had the double-dip recession, the longest and deepest since the

:50:37.:50:41.

Second world War. As a result, welfare bills are going up, and tax

:50:41.:50:46.

receipts have collapsed. We have got to have jobs and growth to get

:50:46.:50:52.

the deficit down. Will you vote for the 1% Benefit uprating deal urged

:50:52.:50:57.

that we will need to see the detail, and we have not seen yet all of the

:50:57.:51:07.
:51:07.:51:10.

different benefits which will be affected by it. It is for those in

:51:10.:51:15.

work, so, although we have not seen the detail, it is pretty clear, it

:51:15.:51:20.

is like Jobseeker's Allowance. it is also a tax credit, people in

:51:20.:51:29.

low-income jobs, like young mothers. So, for working benefits, will you

:51:29.:51:35.

vote for a 1% rise? We would need to see the detail. We do not know

:51:35.:51:42.

which tax credits will be affected, whether it will be maternity,

:51:42.:51:47.

paternity... What about Jobseeker's Allowance? Let's see whether we can

:51:47.:51:50.

amend the bill. At a time when taxes are being cut for

:51:50.:51:55.

millionaires, who will get an average tax cut next April of

:51:55.:51:59.

�100,000, it cannot be right to be cutting support for those people on

:51:59.:52:03.

modest incomes, and people who through no fault of their own have

:52:03.:52:10.

lost their jobs. So, vote against it? We are hoping we can amend the

:52:10.:52:14.

bill. How would you do that? need to look at the detail of it.

:52:14.:52:19.

It looks at the moment like the biggest losers will be those people,

:52:19.:52:24.

not who are out of work, but those in low-paid jobs, who are relying

:52:24.:52:30.

on tax credits. So you would vote against that? We need to see the

:52:30.:52:40.
:52:40.:52:40.

detail. It sounds like you know the detail! We do not! But the

:52:40.:52:44.

principle cannot be right, that next April, millionaires are

:52:44.:52:48.

getting a tax cut, whilst people on modest incomes are getting a tax

:52:48.:52:54.

increase. The logical conclusion would seem to be to vote against

:52:54.:53:00.

the bill. I do not want to say I am going to vote against the bill!

:53:00.:53:03.

have said welfare spending is wising - what is the basis of

:53:03.:53:09.

saying that? Well, it is rising. What other figures? I do not have

:53:09.:53:13.

the latest figures, but welfare payments are going up because there

:53:13.:53:17.

are more people claiming benefits, and also many more people in part-

:53:17.:53:21.

time work. But unemployment is falling. Unemployment is higher

:53:21.:53:27.

than it was at the general election, and long-term unemployment is I

:53:27.:53:31.

think 890,000 people, one third of people in total, out of work, and

:53:31.:53:38.

out of work for more than a year. You say the welfare bill is going

:53:38.:53:43.

up, but actually, it is not, in real terms. In the year of the

:53:43.:53:49.

election, the welfare bill was �188 billion. This year, it is �203

:53:49.:53:55.

billion, but that is in money terms, not in real terms. And it includes

:53:55.:53:59.

the rise in pensions, indeed, most of it is the rise in pensions. If

:53:59.:54:03.

you take out pensions, because everybody wants to do, because we

:54:03.:54:06.

are talking about welfare payments, and do it in real terms, the

:54:06.:54:14.

welfare bill is not rising. Well, I would dispute those figures. These

:54:14.:54:24.
:54:24.:54:26.

are the Government figures. I do not know whether those numbers

:54:26.:54:32.

include tax credits. Yes, they do. There are and many more people who

:54:32.:54:36.

want to be working, in fact, 3 million people who are working

:54:36.:54:40.

part-time, who would like to be working full-time, and as a result

:54:40.:54:47.

are paying more -- we are paying more out of benefits. Those numbers

:54:47.:54:52.

show a �20 billion increase, that is a 10% increase. That includes

:54:52.:55:00.

pensions. That is almost 5% per year, higher than inflation. That

:55:00.:55:08.

suggests a real-terms increase. �13 billion of that is pensions.

:55:08.:55:14.

Welfare payments are going up... But, they are not going up, on the

:55:14.:55:18.

basis of the figures! Watt bit do you not understand?! If you are

:55:19.:55:24.

saying they have gone up by �20 billion, that's 10 defeat, over 2.5

:55:24.:55:29.

years. That is higher than inflation, so that is a real-terms

:55:29.:55:33.

increase. Also, tax revenues are plummeting, because income tax

:55:33.:55:38.

receipts are going down, and so are corporation tax receipts. Nick

:55:38.:55:45.

Robinson... This debate that you two have been having in a sense

:55:45.:55:49.

will reflect the debate that George Osborne wants parliament to have.

:55:49.:55:52.

He has deliberately focused on the squeeze on benefits, he has

:55:52.:55:56.

deliberately put a piece of legislation in, because he wants it

:55:56.:55:59.

to be awkward for the Labour Party to know whether to vote for it or

:55:59.:56:03.

against it. What Rachel is reflecting is that the Labour Party

:56:03.:56:08.

would not want to jump into a hole marked, we are in favour of this,

:56:08.:56:12.

because they want to say, certain benefit rises are good, and certain

:56:12.:56:17.

ones are not. Talking of holes, the Liberal Democrats have just jumped

:56:17.:56:22.

into one. They have issued a press release saying that the

:56:22.:56:27.

Conservatives, quotes, the only tax cuts they support, are for the very

:56:27.:56:32.

rich. When it was pointed out that this was a curious thing to say

:56:32.:56:35.

about your coalition partners, the Liberal Democrats pointed out that

:56:35.:56:39.

it was in fact an old press release, which they did not mean to release.

:56:39.:56:47.

That paragraph was 2.5 years old, we are told. But at least they are

:56:47.:56:57.
:56:57.:56:57.

not in government. Oh, no, they are. I do not often agree with the

:56:57.:57:02.

Liberal Democrats, but on that, I do. What will the line of attack be

:57:02.:57:09.

now on this? Well, the economic plan has failed. We said that the

:57:09.:57:11.

Government had neglected jobs and growth and everything, but the

:57:11.:57:15.

Chancellor said, judges on whether we get rid of the structural

:57:15.:57:18.

deficit, and whether debt is falling as a share of GDP. Even

:57:19.:57:23.

against his own targets, he has now failed, which is what the Office

:57:23.:57:26.

for Budget Responsibility has said today. It is time for a different

:57:26.:57:32.

plan, this one is not working. now looks fairly likely that the UK

:57:32.:57:36.

will lose its AAA credit rating. Most people would say, if you had

:57:36.:57:40.

been elected and followed Alastair Darling's plan, we would have lost

:57:40.:57:46.

it already. Does it not matter? don't think you should set economic

:57:46.:57:50.

policy by this credit rating. They were giving Lehman Brothers a clean

:57:50.:57:53.

bill of health right up until the financial crisis. The Chancellor

:57:53.:57:58.

has said that we will be keeping this rating, so if we to lose it,

:57:58.:58:03.

it is another nail in the coffin of credibility for the Chancellor.

:58:03.:58:07.

politics of this for the Government is still very difficult. 14 points

:58:07.:58:13.

behind in the polls, and not much good news today. No, grim news. If

:58:13.:58:16.

this was what George Osborne had been told a while ago, he would

:58:16.:58:20.

have had his head in his hands. One bit of good use today, borrowing is

:58:20.:58:24.

not going up. Everything else is grim. The measures are grim, they

:58:24.:58:30.

are tough. This is not going to cheer anybody up. But intriguingly,

:58:30.:58:34.

the Tories enjoyed today's statement, and Labour did not. That

:58:35.:58:39.

can be parliamentary politics for you. We shall see about that. That

:58:39.:58:45.

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