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Daily Politics. Shocking failings in the NHS put 11

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hospitals in special measures, but who's to blame - this government or

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its Labour predecessor? Or both? David Cameron warned was the next

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big scandal waiting to happen - so he waited three years to do anything

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about it. Today we finally get a bill to regulate lobbying.

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Boris wants to turn it into the 33rd London borough, but Heathrow wants a

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third runway - the airport's boss joins us live.

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And you thought the Heathrow flight path was loud? We'll measure noise

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levels in the Commons as political temperature rises. Order, order.

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There is still far too much shouting.

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All that coming up in the next 90 minutes of scorching hot political

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debate. And keeping cool in our air-conditioned studio this morning

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is Westminster's hottest political talent. Labour's Chuka Umunna, he's

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the Shadow Business Secretary, and the Planning Minister, Nick Boles.

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Welcome to you both. First this morning, yesterday's damning report

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into serious failings in NHS hospitals continues to resonate here

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at Westminster. Indeed, the terms of the political debate may have

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changed with the Health Secretary trying to position himself as the

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champion of NHS patients rather than the NHS itself. Thousands may have

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met an early death in the 14 hospitals concerned, but what really

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seemed to matter in the Commons was who was to blame. Rob the last

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government left the NHS with a system covering up weak leadership,

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and failed to prioritise compassionate care. This system's

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reputation, this is uncomfortable for honourable members, mattered

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more than individual patients. Targets mattered more than the ball.

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At health questions, the Health Secretary claimed this was an

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historical report about the past. I measures. Most viewers, if you asked

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them, is your treatment good treatment, from the NHS, they would

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say, yes, I get a good service. Were there failings? Clearly. But in this

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report, there is a claim that Labour ministers, colleagues of mine in

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government, deliberately and wilfully sought to cover up failings

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in the NHS. Nowhere in this report, I would happily handed to Nick Boles

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now, we know what page it is on, but nowhere in this report didn't say

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there was evidence that that happened. A lot of this relates to

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more salad tea. Andy Burnham, he was one of a number of Labour Health

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Secretary is, in 2009, asked for a proper investigation into those

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hospitals with high mortality rate. That was produced in April 2010, I

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believe, and identified hospital trusts which needed to be looked at,

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50 of them. Do you feel ashamed or at least disappointed that all of

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these serious failings in the health service still existed after 13 years

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of Labour government? I would not claim that every element of NHS

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service provision was perfect under my government, and I am disappointed

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that failings impacted on families and would have caused upset. People

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died because of inadequacy of care, in many cases. Sir Bruce Keogh and

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the NHS has said in defence of this wild claim of 13,000... I did not

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say 13,000, I understand that it is controversial and it is not in the

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report, but many people died because of inadequate care. That happened in

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Mid Staffordshire. Professor Brian John and, he says labour ignored his

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findings about high mortality rates. We don't accept that. We

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commissioned in 2009, Andy Burnham asked the NHS to look into high

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mortality rates. Professor Brian Jarman said he e-mailed Andy Burnham

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and said there were an alarming number of patient deaths, therefore

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that was a red flag . Are Ness Thornton said it would be more

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appropriate to take it up with the Care Quality Commission -- Baroness

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Thornton said. Andy Burnham looked at the hospitals where there were

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high mortality rate. This is an independent review, produced and

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commissioned by the Government, and it has not shown any findings that

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Andy Burnham did not act properly. Tame side get a very bad press in

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this. It is claimed that Labour ignored a whistleblower in 2005,

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warnings to Parliament in 2006, a coroner 's report in 2006 and

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warnings from Andrew Lansley, when he was the Shadow health minister,

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in 2009. Both wary as the evidence to back this up? The way in which

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these hospital trusts were identified was based on mortality

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figures. It may have got worse under this government. Am I saying the NHS

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was perfect during my party's time in government? No. Even if we spent

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the whole of the GDP on the health service, it would never be perfect,

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but after all the money spent, after the feeling in this country that he

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helped service is, quote, the envy of the world, that so many people

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should be dying from substandard care? It is the question of the

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numbers. Anybody dying is a matter of regret. You would not want that

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to happen to anyone, it does not matter how many numbers. But what

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Sir Bruce Keogh says is that, on the whole, the NHS had massively

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improved after decades of neglect. You would have seen this in the

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Sunday papers, there has been an attempt to deliberately smear one

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individual on the Labour front bench at the moment, Andy Burnham, because

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they have TV tested him, he is one of our most effective communicators.

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Let me come on to Nick Boles. Stephen Dorrell, the former

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Conservative Health Secretary, said that patients listening to what

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happened yesterday will think it is divorced from any focus of what is

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important to them, the quality of care delivered by the health

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service. But your party decided to play politics. I don't think it is

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playing politics to say that when concerns were raised by patients and

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health service workers that they were not adequately considered or

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brought into the public domain. It is not Conservatives that were

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running the Care Quality Commission, are Ness Young was appointed by the

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last government and the regulator, Bill Moyers, they have both said

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that there was a real pressure. It derived from the approach of the

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last government that they could manage the NHS, which is a total

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error. You cannot manage show an organisation of that size. You

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guarantee the funding, which the Labour Party would not do, by the

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way, we stand up for patients' interest. If you weren't playing

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politics, why was this figure of 13,000 deaths allowed to be briefed

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out at the weekend to all the major Sunday newspapers when we know that

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Sir Bruce Keogh said it is clinically meaningless and

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academically reckless to use such statistical measures? Nobody ever

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sent me a piece of paper is saying, 13,000 deaths. I am very junior and

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not a health minister, but you would have thought we would all have been

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told that. If you see David Cameron's statement following Mid

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Staffordshire, he said, the author of the report does not blame any

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specific policy, does not blame the last Secretary of State for health.

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He says we should not seek scapegoats. Yet you are seeking to

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scapegoat Andy Burnham. We are trying to hold the Labour Party and

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its last Secretary of State for health responsible for a system

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whereby they wanted to manage the NHS, they wanted to resist any

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attempt to show that things were not working in the NHS. That will never

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work. They need to take responsibility. The Labour Party

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does not take responsibility for anything, they need to take

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responsibility. Two of the places getting a bad rap, Basildon and

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Tameside health trust 's, they are two of the worst. Since you came to

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power you have cut 128 nursing post at Tameside and over 300 from

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Basildon. Severn Trent have cut front-line staff by 1117.

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Professor Keogh said there is absolutely no financial reason for

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these decisions. My trust in Lincolnshire is in special measures

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and as a result of this report it is urgently trying to recruit 200 extra

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nurses. The government does not any more tell them what they should do

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with their money. They have a responsibility to spend it

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responsibly and we have a responsibility to show everyone if

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things are going one as a result of poor management. Baroness Young

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claimed that David Cameron misrepresented her comments. She

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asked him to correct it. But her quota is on the record. -- her quota

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is on the record. Now, get your ear defenders ready.

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That was last week's PMQs, of course, which got pretty noisy - but

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just how noisy? Order, order, there is still far too much shouting on

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both sides of the chamber. The Prime Minister, I think, is concluding his

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answer. Tessa Munt and Alan Cairns, two backbench MPs were there.

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Look at Tessa Munt, what are you holding? That is my iPad, it is a

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decibel monitor. I will be using it today, I don't believe it will be

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any different from normal. You will be using this app on our behalf to

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measure how noisy it was. How noisy was it last week? I put the decibel

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count on the iPad and it crossed the 100 mark for the first time. It was

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a most intimidating environment last week, it was an absolute bearpit.

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100 on the decibel count is apparently just short of a power

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drill. If that is on a persistent basis, you can imagine. A jet flying

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over is 103 decibel is, that is the noise you are putting up with and

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the noise the party leaders have to fight against. Did John Bercow

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struggle to keep everything under control? I think it is sometimes

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quite difficult, it is almost impossible to be heard. You will

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hear him call for order repeatedly. It gives some indication. It is

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quite difficult to get us to pay attention. I don't do any shouting,

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I think it isn't dignified and unnecessary. It is the last one of

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the term this Wednesday, I would imagine there is no question there

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will be some shouting. Whose fault is it? Tessa Munt says she does not

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shout but whose fault is it that they get to that level of crescendo?

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The week before last, the Prime Minister won convincingly and... So

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the issue would accept that context and therefore, last week, the Labour

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Party came out and it was simply survival for Ed Miliband and come on

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that basis, the whips had probable eyes that probably organised louder

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voices to support him. If you are on the opposition and your own side

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behind you are silent, it must be the most lonely place in the world

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and that's the purpose of the noise behind, to show support for your own

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site, for your leader, and to give him confidence. You are shaking your

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head, Tessa Munt. It's childish, pathetic. I would rather hear what

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they say. I struggle to listen to the little speakers I have on the

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back of the seats. You can't hear a word said. People on television here

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it better because they have the equipment. But it is pathetic, and I

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think it just is despicable, really, because it makes the whole thing an

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absolute playground. It doesn't give us any respect of politicians. If

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you did that in the council chamber, there's no question you would be

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thrown out. That's what should be happen. We should listen, have

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respect, because how does anybody expect us to get respect if we don't

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behave in a sensible grown-up manner? How louder do think it will

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be? I think some people might be frightened of being named by the

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speaker, and I think it will probably get to about 90 today.

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think higher than that. All right, we have taken nap addiction. Come

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back to us after PMQs. Thanks. Now, before the last election, David

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Cameron said that Lobbying was the next big scandal waiting to happen.

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Well, he turned out to be quite a clairvoyant. Today the government

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publishes a bill to regulate the business of lobbying and try to put

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an end to the perception that politicians are cabs for hire.

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Here's Jo Le Taxi. Very good. Yes, the debate about lobbying was

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reignited earlier this year when Conservative MP Patrick Mercer was

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one a of a number of parliamentarians caught on camera

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offering themselves out as hired consultants. I could normally

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wrong-doing but resigned the Tory Whip following the Panorama and

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Daily Telegraph sting back in May, prompting calls for the government

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to take action. The Coalition Agreement had promised to regulate

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lobbying through introducing a statutory register of lobbyists.

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Over three years later, the government are today publishing a

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bill that would set up this statutory register and introduce new

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measures to reform party funding The move comes at a time when David

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Cameron is facing pressure over decisions to drop plans for plain

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cigarette packaging and a minimum price for alcohol. With the

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opposition claiming he has been lobbied by his election strategist

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Lynton Crosby, whose firm has been advising tobacco giant Philip Morris

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International. And Labour are also under fire over their links to the

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trade unions and claims that Unite has been trying to fix parliamentary

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selection processes. Andrew. Thanks for that. David Cameron thought

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lobbying was going to be the next big scandal. Why did he hire a

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lobbyist as his election strategist? Mr Crosby is an expert strategist

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and has run a series of elections for the Australian Prime Minister,

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and for Michael Howard. And Boris Johnson's election campaign. What he

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does in his other time of his own business. He is employed by the

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Conservative Party, not by the government. Secondly, he's only

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employed for one day a week and thirdly, the Conservative Party pays

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him. He will call for paper, calls the tune. The Prime Minister decides

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what he will do with his time. The unions on the other hand, are paying

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the Labour Party and have a secure place in the Labour Party's

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constitution, they vote for the leader and policy. There is a

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fundamental difference between these two situations. Will Lynton Crosby

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is that one day a week between now and election? If his time increases,

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he will be able to less work for other people and more work for the

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Conservative Party. A lobbyist, it becomes your full-time study just?

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Should he? He doesn't lobby the Prime Minister, ministers. If

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anything, we tried to lobby him to make sure he understands why our

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policies are important. How do you know he hasn't lobbied ministers?

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Because the Prime Minister has made it clear he's never lobbied him on

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any other subjects... He's not made it clear he hasn't had a discussion

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about tobacco with Mr Crosby. said he has not been lobbied. Have

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you ever had a discussion, Chuka with a union leader about any of

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your policies? Have they ever had a role in the election of your leader?

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Yes, he would've lost to David Miliband but for hit their boat. We

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are paying a relatively modest sum to an election strategist. There was

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a big difference. It's not one of the great secrets of British

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politics that the unions have been influencing the Labour Party. A

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level political science, we learn that. What influence if any Mr

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Crosby, with his lobbying, has had on your government policy? We have

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been very clear he's employed by the Conservatives for one day a week to

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provide election strategy advice. The does not have any role, not any

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contact with civil servants. He's not lobbying and is not allowed to.

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I think there is an important distinction to be made between big

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tobacco, alcohol, commercial interests, and trade unions which

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represent millions of working people. Many people working in the

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studio. There is an important distinction but the key thing here

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is transparency and accountability. The extent to which the Labour Party

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has contributions from the unions is on public record. The problem with

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lobbying, this argument Nick is making, we'd paid Lynton Crosby to

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coming to us and we will be him, I've never heard of anybody

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suggesting that. Transparency and accountability, will this bill the

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government is introducing today, we are putting down amendments to this,

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to makes sure all of the lobbying companies in the country fully

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disclose who their clients are and the extent to which they get money

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from them. Secondly, to ensure people like Lynton Crosby are also

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covered by these rules. The idea he won't have any impact on policy

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whatsoever is ludicrous. Let me put that to him. Will Lynton Crosby's

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list of clients the public as a result of this bill? The rules will

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apply to all people who are lobbying on behalf of companies in the UK.

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we will see the company 's he has? don't know the details of the bill.

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Let's be clear, Andrew, the Labour Party was in government for 13

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years. We had Bernie Ecclestone giving Tony Blair �1 million and

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surprise surprise, Tony Blair turns around and does not ban cigarette

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advertising in the sporting events. Oh please, come on. Of course, it's

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taken three years. Andrew. didn't you do it in 13 years?

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tobacco advertising for example, we banned billboard advertising, banned

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smoking in public places, banned smoking advertising in sport, and

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actually come as a result of some of the issues raised, Tony Blair said

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at the time, it wasn't so much what happened but we introduced so many

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of the disclosable switch mean people know what he contributed. Let

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me finish. Why didn't you introduce a lobbying register? Let me finish

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my sentence. Answer my question. As a result of the rules we

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introduced, we do now know what is paid to political parties and all so

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there are certain rules where overseas companies can no longer

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contribute into election campaigns which didn't exist under the

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Conservatives. Are there more things we can do? Of course there are but

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why we're putting down amendments to this bill but to say nothing

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happened about transparency in 13 years is nonsense. Do you think

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there should be a requirement that trade unions, we have to count an

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audit of its membership to prove its accuracy? I think there is an

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independent audit of their members and they are not carrying about at

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themselves. It will be interesting to see how they propose doing it and

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who will fund it but transparency and accuracy of membership figures

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for trade unions is a good thing. I don't think they will disagree with

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that but let's look at the detail. What does Lynton Crosby get for one

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day a week? I don't know but is an expert man and I'm sure he charges a

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lot more than I do, to be frank. It's so sought after, its backstory

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so compelling, it's so often the topic of conversation for television

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viewers up and down the country that, naturally, it now has its own

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Wikipedia page. Of what do I speak? Well, the trusty Daily Politics mug,

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of course. We've had nothing to do with this page. We wouldn't blow our

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own mug's trumpet. We'll leave it to our many fans and followers to do

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that. In fact this one's a mock-up. And we're in good company because

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Chuka here has a famous wikipedia page. Everyone loves my page.Now

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the page used to include the flattering quote "may end up as the

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UK's Barack Obama". Chuka has made it absolutely clear that he had

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nothing to do with putting that quote on the page. Transparency.

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Nothing, nothing, nothing. In fact, Chuka has criticised journalists who

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have compared him to the US President. So it couldn't have been

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him, could it? I have never compared to the US president though I have

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once or twice head Barack Obama saying he is really American's

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Chuka. Now, our mug doesn't need bigging up because we know that

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And you can see the full terms and conditions for Guess The Year on our

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website. I'm going to let you do that next time. It's coming up to

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midday here. Just take a look at Big Ben. Another glorious sunny day here

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in Westminster. I hope it's lovely where you are, too. It is PMQs. The

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final one before the summer recess. We should be in for some fireworks.

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Nick Robinson is here. I think the situation in Albania may come up.

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Maybe? Maybe the NHS and lobbying? No, really? The only thing that is

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equally predictable is the noise level, unless the speaker has

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decided to intervene. What's intriguing about this is how the

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Tories have decided in recent weeks to increase the pressure on Labour,

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to increase the volume. If you saw the tactics Jeremy Hunt used

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yesterday, they are very similar to what David Cameron did two weeks ago

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to Ed Miliband on the trade unions in PMQs, to come from nowhere, Bell

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to your opponent around the head, get your backbenchers screaming

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behind you, in order to say, we are all together on this. -- belt your

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opponent. That is believed well for the Tories. They have done it on

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welfare, the trade unions. And the NHS. I am blaming Len McCluskey for

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this hot weather, by the way. always his fault! Tactically, what

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do you do if you are Ed Miliband? Last week, they reacted, they were

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organised, the whips were there. The tribal loyalties reasserted

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themselves. The question is whether you try to equal the noise or tried

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to take the heat out of it and appear statesmanlike. Since this is

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the last PMQs until September, let's go to the last PMQs until September.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker, this morning I had meetings... I had meetings

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with ministerial colleagues and People using Scunthorpe General

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Hospital today are asking for reassurance. Given Serb Bruce Keogh

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says now is not the time for hasty reactions or recriminations, will

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the Prime Minister committed the resource and support as well as the

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challenge to ensure that the Scunthorpe Hospital delivers

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high-quality care across all departments? Let me echo what he

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said about the Keogh reporter. It is a good report and it says that even

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those hospitals which have been investigated, in many instances they

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delivered care. This government is putting the money in, �12.7 billion

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extra over this Parliament. We will help those hospitals that are

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challenged to make sure they provide the best they can in the NHS.

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I am sure you will be as delighted as I am to know that unemployment in

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Watford has fallen once again to the lowest level since the end of 2009.

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I hope that the Prime Minister will agree with me that this is a good

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example of government policy is a good example of government policies

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to small businesses working, because they are the ones that provide the

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thousands of jobs and apprentices shown at the Watford jobs fair two

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weeks ago. He is right, today 's unemployment figures are welcome and

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they show a very significant fall in the claimant count, 20,000 in the

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last month. It is encouraging, and some of that is because of the extra

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resources we put into apprenticeships. Over 1 million

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people have started apprenticeships in this Parliament. I hope the fall

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in unemployment will be welcomed across the House.

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The vast majority of doctors and nurses working in the NHS perform to

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a very high standard, day in, day out. But everybody in the country

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will be concerned that some hospitals are letting people down.

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Sir Bruce Keogh's report found frequent examples of an adequate

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numbers of nursing staff. Will the Prime Minister tell us what he is

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doing to ensure adequate numbers of nurses? The Keogh report is

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excellent. When you have a problem of high mortality rates,

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relatively, in some hospitals, it is important to hold an investigation,

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get to the truth and then take action to deal with that. We are

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putting �12.7 billion into the NHS. Over the course of the last year we

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have seen an extra 900 nurses in our NHS. That backs up the 8500 extra

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clinical staff since this government came to office.

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But the reality is thereof 4000 fewer nurses than when the Prime

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Minister came to power. One of the issues raised in this report was

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about nursing staff. It was also reflected in the Francis report

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about benchmarks for the numbers of nursing staff. If there are over

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4000 fewer nurses, is that helping or hindering sorting out these

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problems? He makes the link between the 11 hospitals put into special

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measures and nursing numbers. He might be interested in the figures.

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Eight of the 11 hospitals identified actually have more nurses today than

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in 2010. If, for instance, you take the hospital in Scunthorpe that was

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just mentioned, although that is on the list of the 11 hospitals,

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thereof 100 extra nurses working there than three years ago. When it

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comes to clinical staff, ten of the 11 hospitals have higher numbers of

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clinical staff. In the Francis report, Francis did not support

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mandatory nursing numbers. All well-run hospitals will have the

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right number of nurses and doctors and care assistant. One of the

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purposes of these reports is to make sure hospitals are better run.

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That his reforms are diverging money from patient care and across the

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health service the number of nurses is falling -- but his reforms are

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diverging money from patient care. On deaths from cancer, the

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government planned legislation on plain cigarette packaging, he

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changed his view after he hired Lynton Crosby, who also happens to

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work for big tobacco in the shape of Philip Morris. Are we really

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supposed to believe it is a coincidence? It is clear he does not

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want a proper conversation about the health service. He had not done his

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homework on nursing numbers. He asks about plain packaging on cigarettes.

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Let me be clear, the decision not to go ahead for the time being is a

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decision made by me and the Health Secretary. If you don't agree with

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the decision, you can attack me for making it. Funnily enough, it is the

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same decision made by the last government. I have got here the

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latter that the former health Secretary of State roads to a

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minister explaining why he wasn't going ahead. He said this, this is a

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letter to the honourable member for Dulwich, he said, no studies have

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shown that introducing plain packaging of tobacco would cut the

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number of young people smoking. Given the impact the plan would

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have, we would need strong and convincing evidence to go ahead. To

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summarise, if his attack on me is that we are not doing something he

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decided not to do, I would suggest a different line of questioning.

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Once again, the Prime Minister doesn't know his fact. In February

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2010, my right honourable friend in his tobacco strategy set out quite

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clearly that he was in favour of having plain cigarette packaging.

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That quote is from earlier. Here is the difference, my right honourable

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friend moved to that position in February 2010. He used to be in

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favour of plain cigarette packaging, then changed his mind.

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Can he now... Can he now... Can he now and so the question that he has

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not answered four weeks - has he ever had a conversation with Lynton

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Crosby about plain cigarette packaging? I will answer, he has

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never lobbied me on anything. But if he wants a lobbying scandal, why

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doesn't he try the fact that the trade unions by aye his policies and

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candidates, they even bought and paid for his leadership. The whole

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of the country will have heard those same weasel words he is sticking to.

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He can't deny that he had a conversation with Lynton Crosby

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about this issue. Even by the standards of this Prime Minister,

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this is a disgraceful episode. His own honourable member of the Totnes,

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they described it as a day of shame for this government. He is the Prime

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Minister of Benson and hedge funds is, and he knows it! Can't you see

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there is a devastating conflict of interest between having your key

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adviser raking it in from big tobacco and then advising you not to

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go ahead with plain packaging? this on a day when this government

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is doing something they never did for 13 years, publishing a lobbying

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bill. Let us remember why we need one. We had former Labour ministers

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who describe themselves as cabs for hire, we had Cabinet ministers

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giving passports for favours, a Prime Minister questioned by the

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police under cash for honours. They are in no position to lecture anyone

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on standards in public life. Isn't it remarkable on the day of a

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massive fall in the claimant count, a fall in unemployment, a rise in

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employment, he has nothing to say? Last year he said this, next year,

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unemployment will get worse not better, under his policies. Isn't it

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time to admit you were wrong? The reality that he cannot admit is

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against the advice of every major public health organisation, he has

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caved in to big tobacco. That is the reality about this Prime Minister,

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and he knows it. It is Andy Coulson all over again. He is a Prime

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Minister who doesn't think the rules apply to him. Dinners for donors,

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Andy Coulson and now big tobacco in Downing Street. He always stands up

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for the wrong people. The reason his leadership is in crisis is he can't

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talk about the big issues. We are getting to the end of a political

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session where the deficit is down, unemployment is falling, crime is

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down, welfare is capped, Abu Qatada is back in Jordan. This country gets

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stronger every day, every day, he Thank you, Mr Speaker. I know the

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Prime Minister will want to thank those fantastic NHS staff who are

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rolling up their sleeves and doing everything they can to Jews avoided

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the early deaths. They are asking the Prime Minister for minimum unit

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pricing in order to help them do that job. To stop people falling

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into addiction in the first place. Minimum pricing is falling into

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death row, will the Prime Minister give it a reprieve until we know the

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outcome of the Sheffield report and the Scottish reports, at least?

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fights a strong and noble campaign on an issue that she cares a great

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deal about. What we are able to do is introduce something... Order, the

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question has been asked, let's hear the answer. We can introduce

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something the last government never did, to say it should be illegal to

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sell alcohol to lower the price of duty plus VAT. That is something, in

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all the binge drinking problems we had under Labour, they never managed

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to do. In February I asked the Prime

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Minister if he thought it was fair that Mr and Mrs Goodwin, both

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registered blind, should pay bedroom tax? He promised to look into the

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case. His family wrote to the Prime Minister but did not receive a

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reply. Why didn't the Prime Minister keep his word? I will look urgently

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at this case. I reply to honourable members' correspondence right across

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the house, and I always will. In terms of the spare room subsidy, we

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put into place fair rules where it does not affect pensioners and

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people who need that spare room. I have is when I write back, there is

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one question I won't be able to answer, which is we still don't know

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whether the party opposite are going to replace this, because they will

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not give us an answer. This summer, when Labour members are

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in Blackpool on their Unite beach towels, can they assure me that his

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government, free both from week leadership and Len McCluskey, will

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not put into law the welfare benefits as a human rights? He makes

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a good point. Last week there was a rare piece of candour from the

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Labour Party. They now have a welfare reform they are in favour

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of. They want to make welfare are human rights. That is the policy of

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the Labour Party. They oppose the welfare cap, they oppose getting the

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deficit down and they want to make benefits a human rights.

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Will the Prime Minister joined... Order, let's have some order. Mr

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Campbell must be heard. Will he join with me in wishing a speedy recovery

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to the right honourable member for North Belfast, Mr Nigel Dodds, who

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was injured when seeking to resolve problems in his constituency during

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the recent unacceptable disturbances? Will he also join with

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many in Northern Ireland who want to see an initiative headed up by Dr

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Richard Haass from the USA and the considerable effort and goodwill

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that will be required to resolve all of the outstanding issues which have

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been plagued by violent opposition for too long? Everyone was concerned

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to hear about the honourable member knocked over in his constituency and

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I gather he is now improving. We look forward to welcoming him back

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to this House. On this issue, it's very important we see responsibility

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on all sides in Northern Ireland and we do take steps in making sure

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these marches can go ahead in a way which respects the fact that

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communities must be good neighbours to each other. That's what's

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required and I know we will help in any way we can. Overall, over 4500

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foreign national offenders were removed from the UK in 2012 and the

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rate has remained consistent by then that the number of foreign nationals

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in England and Wales is still too high and while it is lower than at

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the election, we can do more and which is why the Justice Secretary

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is looking to secure transfers with countries in the high as the portion

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of offenders. Foreign national offenders will be deported except in

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exceptional circumstances but I do think everyone can celebrate the

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removal of Abu Qatada who went back to Jordan and can I congratulate the

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Home Secretary on her hard work? the Home Secretary has deported Abu

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Qatada, something the previous government failed to do, will he do

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all he can to send foreign nationals in prison in our country back to

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prison in their own country and saving British taxpayers hundreds of

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millions of pounds as a result? absolutely agree about this issue

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and the fact it requires real drive from the centre of this government

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and which is why we held a national meeting on this, why we are trying

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to sign compulsorily agreement with Albania and Nigeria and I will make

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sure these issues are raised in meetings with foreign national

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prisoners to be returned. We shouldn't rule out steps, including

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helping countries like Jamaica, with around prison regimes so it easier

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to return people. It's a major priority for the government and they

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want us to do better. The Prime Minister claims he did not know that

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Lynton Crosby worked for a tobacco company but he's the heart of Tory

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party strategy. Why is he developing a bad habit, perhaps an addictive

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one, of turning a blind eye as to who his advisers actually work for?

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Let me explain, the role of Lyndon Crosby is to advise me about how to

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defeat a divided and useless Labour Party. And I have to say, on the

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basis of today's evidence, I'm not sure he's really necessary. In my

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Welsh constituency... Order, we must have a question from Mr Davies.

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my Welsh constituency, patients have to wait 36 weeks for treatment. Next

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door, English constituencies wait 18 weeks. What lessons does the Prime

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Minister believed the government can learn from how the NHS has been

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managed in Wales over these years? There's a very clear lesson which is

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going to vote Labour. You can see what's happening in Wales, where

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Labour are in control of the NHS, they cut the budget by 8%, and, as a

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result, you can now see in Wales, they haven't met a single waiting

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time targets since 2009. Meanwhile, in England, we are increasing

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spending on the NHS. The Shadow Chancellor keeps pointing at the

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Health Secretary, but here's the man who said it would be irresponsible

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to increase spending on the NHS. If you want to do better, you need to

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move the two people next to you, and you need to do it fast. Order.

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Flynn should be heard with courtesy. Will the Prime Minister study the

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precise meaning of the word" question" and" answer" and the need

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for a link between the two? Following the record number of

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unanswered questions, and the record number of preprepared party

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political diatribe last week at question Time. A demeaning spectacle

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which changed him and his office. Can he give me an answer today to

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this question. Which is relevant and courteous? I'm assuming that one was

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quite complicated for a whips question is how we obviously thought

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of it himself, but this government is far more transparent than its

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predecessors about the information be published, the public spending

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data, far more transparent than the last government. I'm pleased to say

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unemployment in Northampton North continues to go down. Does the Prime

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Minister agree with me that today's jobs figures prove that this

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government's economic policy has not led to the disappearance of 1

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million jobs which was a forecast made by the leader of the

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opposition? I do think it's extraordinary, on this day there is

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a fall in unemployment at the leader of the opposition had nothing to say

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about it. He hasn't asked a full set of questions about the economy since

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February because he knows that our policies are working, Britain's

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economy is mending, and he's absolutely right, the forecast was

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made that, we would not make up for the loss of public sector jobs with

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jobs in the private sector. They are shouting because they don't want to

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hear good news about falling unemployment. People do want to know

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about more businesses, and the economy making progress. Too much

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shouting on both sides of the House. How many of the Conservative

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Party's millionaire donors asked the Prime Minister to cut the 50p top

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rate of tax? That was definitely a whips hand-out, no doubt about that

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one. Let me explain to the honourable lady and it dashed an

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important distinction... Order, calm down. The top rate of tax and this

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government is higher in every year than in any year under the previous

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government. The way it works in her party is that trade unions give

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Labour money which buys the policies, the candidates, the MP,

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even the leader. I'm not surprised they are worried about the product

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they ended up with. Enfield has the early advantage of a welfare cap for

:52:27.:52:34.

the last three months. With JS a falling twice the rate of the rest

:52:34.:52:38.

of the country. With youth unemployment at a lower level, the

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lowest since early 2009, can the Prime Minister ensure where Enfield

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leaves, the country follows. I paid tribute to the people in Enfield to

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find jobs. The welfare cap is not only bike because it would be wrong

:52:53.:52:57.

for people out of work to be able to earn more than a typical family in

:52:57.:53:05.

work, but people seeing a welfare cap coming down the road, are

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finding jobs and that's good news for them and the economy. Would

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Adrian B Croft, being asked to provide a report on government

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regulars, is the doughnut for the party? That is he a donor for the

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party? I think his report was an excellent report. In terms of

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encouraging enterprise, jobs. Wealth creation. Let me explain one more

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time, there is a big difference, if you are a trade union and you give

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money to the Labour Party, you can pick the candidates and vote for

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them, you can pick the leader and vote for him, pick the policies and

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vote for him. I was elected by a one member, one vote membership system.

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He was elected by a trade union stitch up. Thank you, Mr Speaker.

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Any government should be able to introduce a reasonable cap on very

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high claims for taxpayer funded benefits but if we are all in it

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together, then why is the government resisting the introduction of a cap,

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sometimes hundreds of thousands of pounds, individual case is the

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government resisting the introduction of a cap, sometimes

:54:28.:54:34.

hundreds of thousands of pounds, individual cases over �1 million,

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farm support system? This government has the huge amount of tax reform to

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make sure people pay their taxes they owe. And of course, we always

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look at the Common agricultural policy to make sure it's fair.

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Speaker, in order to save the Prime Minister time, I was a member of the

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Unite union since the age of 16 as an engineering apprentice, and I'm

:55:08.:55:18.
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quite happy to debate who spent their youths more productively. On

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the 26th of June, in response to a question from my honourable friend

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from Ealing North, on the Tory dinners for donors, the Prime

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Minister said he would be happy to publish the Gold report. Is there a

:55:36.:55:39.

reason he hasn't done so, is because he hasn't done so, is it because

:55:39.:55:46.

he's ashamed of the fact his party has had more donors than a late

:55:46.:55:53.

night kebabs shop? It's a time when we ought to remember the donation of

:55:53.:56:00.

Mr Mills. �1.6 million to the Labour Party, who got advice about how to

:56:00.:56:03.

dodge his taxes. When they get an answer to when you're going to pay

:56:03.:56:12.

the money back, I will answer his question. While still hoping the

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Prime Minister will agree with the CBI and me and withdraw support for

:56:17.:56:22.

HS2, he will remember last November giving me an undertaking that people

:56:22.:56:29.

who are disrupted by this project will be generously compensated. It's

:56:29.:56:36.

here where, on phase one, HS2 has not yet the basic consultation and

:56:36.:56:41.

on current plans, won't do for three months. Really please intervene,

:56:41.:56:45.

speed up the process, before those constituents and other peoples whose

:56:45.:56:51.

lives are affected, are totally ruined? She's absolutely right to

:56:51.:56:56.

raise this. We will set out further consultation later this year. We are

:56:56.:57:01.

committed to a very generous and fair compensation scheme. Matters

:57:01.:57:03.

relating to compensation are important which is why we must make

:57:03.:57:06.

sure we get the decisions right but the Transport Secretary will be

:57:06.:57:15.

happy to meet with hair and discuss her constituents concerns. The Prime

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Minister has certainly been helping the Jersey registered companies with

:57:19.:57:27.

their ex-sports. Perhaps he could tell the House whether the reason he

:57:27.:57:32.

took a man with him to Kazakhstan was because he donated �300,000 to

:57:32.:57:40.

the Tory party. -- exports. Let's remember which government it was who

:57:40.:57:45.

will make sure Jersey, Guernsey, the Isle of Man, pay taxes properly,

:57:45.:57:49.

it's this one. I will tell you directly why I took him to

:57:49.:57:56.

Kazakhstan. His company employs tens of thousands of people in this

:57:56.:58:01.

country, it's investing billions into the North Sea, and major

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British energy company and I'm proud of the fact that we fly the flag for

:58:06.:58:09.

British energy companies and so, when I finished taking them to

:58:09.:58:15.

Kazakhstan, I will take them to India, China, Malaysia. We are not

:58:15.:58:18.

embarrassed about business, industry, enterprise and jobs on

:58:18.:58:28.
:58:28.:58:45.

this side of the House. We want more Angela Merkel, have they examined

:58:45.:58:53.

the evidence that it is the existence of the European single

:58:53.:59:00.

currency, which is a major cause of despair which is now sweeping across

:59:00.:59:05.

southern Europe, and threatens democracy of Portugal, Spain and

:59:05.:59:14.

Greece? When I meet with Angela Merkel, we often discuss the single

:59:14.:59:18.

currency. I think it's important that, whatever 1's personal views

:59:18.:59:22.

about the single currency, and I never want Britain to join it, we

:59:22.:59:24.

have to respect those countries which are in the single currency and

:59:24.:59:28.

want to make it work. I believe there's an opportunity for Britain,

:59:28.:59:32.

at the same time is doing that, to argue that the European Union itself

:59:32.:59:36.

needs to change. We need make this organisation where members of the

:59:36.:59:41.

single currency can be comfortable and members want not, can be

:59:41.:59:45.

comfortable also. I think Angela Merkel understands that. I think the

:59:45.:59:49.

Prime Minister from Italy, who I will be meeting with straight after

:59:49.:59:52.

the session, understands that, as well, which is why it is achievable

:59:52.:59:56.

to get a better settlement for Britain, and one we can get in a

:59:56.:00:01.

referendum by the end of 2017. Prime Minister failed to say next

:00:01.:00:05.

week when it's going to give back the stolen cash given to the

:00:05.:00:11.

Conservative Party. When will you give it back? I have to say, the

:00:11.:00:16.

whips hand out have been very active this week. What we need to see is

:00:16.:00:22.

when are we going to get the payers money given back from Mr Mills's

:00:22.:00:26.

donation? Never mind a donation which happened 20 years ago. This

:00:26.:00:32.

happened at 20 weeks ago. One of the first activist government was to

:00:32.:00:38.

bring a request to fund a security measures in Jewish free schools.

:00:38.:00:43.

Parents in Hendon in my constituency where paying for this additional

:00:43.:00:49.

security measures from their own pocket. After the last government

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refused to help. As his funding arrangement ends in 2015, can I ask

:00:54.:00:58.

them to support my campaign for the Education Secretary to continue with

:00:58.:01:02.

this scheme? I will look very carefully about my honourable friend

:01:02.:01:08.

says. I'm a strong supporter of free schools and also, the community

:01:08.:01:15.

Security trust which has provided a lot of security for schools. My

:01:15.:01:17.

right honourable friend, the Education Secretary, will be happy

:01:17.:01:22.

to look to see how we can continue to give support. Given the scandal

:01:22.:01:26.

of price-fixing in the oil and gas industry, is currently being

:01:26.:01:29.

investigated by the European Union, does the Prime Minister agree with

:01:29.:01:33.

me that it's important to be absolutely transparent about the oil

:01:33.:01:41.

and gas companies that Lynton Crosby's firm represents? Have they

:01:41.:01:45.

got nothing to say about unemployment, improving education,

:01:45.:01:52.

capping welfare? It pains me to point this out to the honourable

:01:52.:01:59.

lady but she has received �32,000 from affiliated trade unions. Let me

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explain the difference. With Lynton Crosby, the Conservative Party gives

:02:02.:02:07.

them money to help us get rid of labour. That's the way it works.

:02:07.:02:11.

With the Labour Party, the unions give you money and that's the way it

:02:11.:02:18.

works. And yet she says this. On her website, " I'm a member of Unison

:02:19.:02:24.

and Unite and I rightly raise trade union issues in Parliament." That is

:02:24.:02:34.
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will be heard. Many water companies in England are

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paid huge dividends. They've avoided paying tax and are not properly

:02:53.:02:59.

accountable. And proposing an annual increase of �80 a year on water

:02:59.:03:04.

rates. With the primers to make sure no public subsidy is given to Thames

:03:04.:03:09.

Water or any other water company which puts the profits and its

:03:09.:03:12.

shareholders had the interests of ordinary ratepayers and the tax

:03:12.:03:18.

payers of his undermine? Let me be clear, I've always had companies

:03:18.:03:22.

should pay the tax they owe. I don't want to comment on individual

:03:22.:03:27.

companies but that is the case. Any support from government must be

:03:27.:03:32.

targeted to benefit customers bills and provide value for taxpayers.

:03:32.:03:35.

There is merit in the Thames tunnel proposal and we need to look back

:03:35.:03:38.

carefully because it would be a benefit for London, for his

:03:38.:03:42.

constituents, and for everybody in London but I sure we will use

:03:42.:03:45.

everything at our disposal to get the best deal for London, and for

:03:45.:03:55.
:03:55.:03:58.

taxpayers. Did the Prime Minister asked Lynton Crosby... ? We can run

:03:58.:04:02.

through this one again. Let me have another go at explaining it. It

:04:02.:04:07.

works like this. The Conservative Party gives Lynton Crosby money and

:04:07.:04:13.

he helps us attack the Labour Party, right? But trade unions give

:04:13.:04:18.

money to the Labour Party. The other way round. For that, they buy your

:04:18.:04:24.

candidates. They buy your MPs. They buy your policies and even give you

:04:24.:04:31.

this completely hopeless leader. Last but not least, Andrew

:04:31.:04:40.

Griffiths. My constituent was diagnosed with cervical cancer at

:04:40.:04:46.

the age of 25 when she had her first smear test. Sadly, she had to have a

:04:46.:04:49.

hysterectomy. We'll Prime Minister join me in congratulating her on her

:04:49.:04:53.

drop your pants and save your life campaign, to raise awareness of

:04:53.:05:00.

cervical cancer? Willingly agreed to talk to the Health Secretary about

:05:00.:05:05.

her wish to bring the age at which young people can have a smear test

:05:05.:05:12.

down from 25 down to 20? I paid tribute to his constituents for the

:05:12.:05:15.

bravery in raising this campaign and speaking so frankly about it. This

:05:15.:05:20.

screening programme we have had in the NHS has been one of its greatest

:05:20.:05:23.

successes in terms of early diagnosis of saving lives and we

:05:23.:05:26.

should always be asking what the latest evidence is for the screening

:05:26.:05:30.

programme and when it should start and I'm sure my right honourable

:05:30.:05:40.
:05:40.:05:51.

friend will want to talk to him of this session. We will not see the

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light can until the 13th of September. The NHS and lobbying

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dominated the exchanges between the front benches, and also the

:06:00.:06:03.

backbench exchanges with the Prime Minister. It was another rowdy

:06:04.:06:07.

house, very noisy, we will give you the exact decibel count a little

:06:07.:06:12.

later. The Prime Minister was in a kind of boisterous mood, I think,

:06:12.:06:17.

would be the best way to describe them. We will see what it means in a

:06:17.:06:22.

second. Let's find out what you thought. Ian Whiteley said, a win

:06:22.:06:25.

for Dave, although Ed landed a couple of blows.

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The Prime Minister for Benson and Hedges was a good one. He should

:06:32.:06:35.

have stuck to the Keogh reports and left Lynton Crosby to the

:06:35.:06:39.

backbenches. Jim from Nuneaton, by linking to a

:06:39.:06:42.

hospital care to nursing staff numbers, Cameron had Miliband in a

:06:42.:06:49.

tight corner by explaining that the worst hospitals had more staff than

:06:49.:06:53.

three years before. Another viewer says, I can't tell of Miliband is

:06:53.:06:57.

waving or drowning. For once, David Cameron has found

:06:57.:07:02.

the right way to answer a question with an answer which is relevant to

:07:02.:07:06.

the question. A good set of questions from Miliband. Cameron's

:07:06.:07:11.

claims are not justified. PMQs is nothing more than

:07:11.:07:14.

prearranged soundbites and preplanned noise. At the end of

:07:14.:07:19.

term, Ed Miliband had a very good day, clearly highlighting his

:07:19.:07:29.
:07:29.:07:30.

difficulty when dealing with facts over spin, validating the difference

:07:30.:07:33.

between what Keogh said and what the Tories have spun. Jacqueline says

:07:33.:07:36.

that David Cameron plays with words. Obviously he had a conversation

:07:36.:07:43.

about the cigarette packaging. Nick, summer recess, we are right in

:07:43.:07:46.

the middle of the electoral cycle. The polls don't help us too much,

:07:46.:07:49.

one Pole said Labour were 11 points ahead, then another one said that

:07:49.:07:56.

Labour and the Tories were neck and neck. Although it is not exactly

:07:56.:08:00.

clear what is happening, the Tories head to this recess in a better mood

:08:01.:08:10.

than they thought a couple of months ago? Much better. You describe David

:08:10.:08:13.

Cameron as boisterous. His backbenchers were cheerful. The

:08:13.:08:17.

opposite is the case at times with Labour, they looked alarmed at

:08:17.:08:24.

times. Organised, but not looking as cheerful. Why are they cheerful?

:08:24.:08:28.

Partly the list which the Prime Minister gave out, the deficit is

:08:28.:08:37.

down. Compared to 2010.Abu Qatada has gone home, the European

:08:38.:08:42.

referendum private member's bill the other day, it does not get them

:08:42.:08:48.

closer to rest the random but it has cheered them up and got them onside.

:08:48.:08:52.

The economic news is possibly the most important, which is it is a

:08:52.:08:56.

little bit better than it was. Everybody is waiting for the next

:08:56.:08:59.

GDP figures, but if it confirms that not only was there no trouble dip,

:08:59.:09:06.

there was no double-dip, it feels like relatively good news. The

:09:06.:09:12.

Tories feel better about themselves, which is why David Cameron has

:09:12.:09:17.

spurned a mini reshuffle which was down for tomorrow. It was going to

:09:17.:09:20.

involve, I am told, a widespread reshuffle underneath the Cabinet to

:09:20.:09:24.

prepare for a Cabinet Mac Pro reshuffle ahead of the election, but

:09:24.:09:32.

the Prime Minister thought, why disrupt the good mood? A reshuffle

:09:32.:09:36.

upsets some people you fire, disappoint those who do not get

:09:36.:09:42.

promoted and you perhaps upset those who feel passed over. And yet the

:09:42.:09:47.

fundamental feature of British living standards at the moment is

:09:47.:09:51.

they are still in decline. We saw worse than expected inflation

:09:51.:10:00.

figures, last week, and although average earnings rose a bit, 1.7,

:10:00.:10:05.

earnings are still not keeping pace with prices. I would suggest that

:10:05.:10:15.
:10:15.:10:19.

for all the bluster and boisterous behaviour and so on, the

:10:19.:10:23.

Conservatives can't really feel good about themselves until living

:10:23.:10:29.

standards start to rise again. It is very difficult to win an election

:10:29.:10:39.
:10:39.:10:45.

with living standards in decline. Nobody is pretending we are out of

:10:45.:10:51.

the woods, but employment is growing and jobs have been created in a way

:10:51.:10:58.

that has surprised all of us, I don't think anybody would expect

:10:58.:11:02.

that jobs would come through as constant -- consistently as they

:11:02.:11:07.

have. Families are still feeling squeezed. The only answer to that is

:11:07.:11:11.

the one which we have been pushing since 2010. We have to get

:11:11.:11:13.

government borrowing down, jobs growing and we have to help

:11:13.:11:15.

businesses export. Those are arguments being made very

:11:15.:11:17.

effectively in Prime Minister's Questions by the Prime Minister, and

:11:17.:11:21.

it is just showing signs that it might work. That is why I think

:11:21.:11:25.

there is room for optimism, but no sense of comfort about where we are.

:11:25.:11:28.

Lynton Crosby was mentioned a lot, the Australian lobbyist and election

:11:28.:11:32.

Guru now working for the Conservatives. He is expected to

:11:32.:11:34.

lead the Conservative election campaign, to be the chief adviser,

:11:34.:11:38.

come 2015. He has just been door step to buy a television crew.

:11:38.:11:41.

Did you ever lobby the Prime Minister on tobacco? The Prime

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Minister has said everything that needs to be said on that issue.

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Well, that was a piece of seminal television! It took the debate on

:11:50.:11:58.

enormously! You may mark! I've now got six seconds of Lynton Crosby, I

:11:58.:12:03.

was told this morning I only had four! Six seconds of public service

:12:03.:12:10.

broadcasting at it finest! At least we know what he looks like now! You

:12:10.:12:14.

out to get Crosby because you are frightened of him? I don't think we

:12:14.:12:20.

are frightened of him. He has sharpened up the Tory act, you can

:12:20.:12:24.

data the resurgence of Mr Cameron two when Mr Crosby got stuck into

:12:24.:12:31.

providing strategy. The big issue is about their potential conflict and

:12:31.:12:35.

what conversations the Prime Minister has had with Lynton Crosby

:12:35.:12:39.

in respect of tobacco. Time and time again, we saw it in the exchange is

:12:39.:12:43.

now in the House of Commons, the Prime Minister has been asked, have

:12:43.:12:46.

you had a conversation involving any mention of tobacco with Lynton

:12:46.:12:52.

Crosby? Time and again, you has failed to answer. You are right in

:12:52.:12:56.

the sense that Crosby undoubtedly has changed the way in which they

:12:56.:13:01.

are seeking to campaign. My prediction is that we will see the

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most vile, nasty and personal campaign in the lead up to this

:13:06.:13:12.

election. We have 95 weeks to go. I think it will be the most vile we

:13:12.:13:16.

have seen in political history. You have seen the kind of personal

:13:16.:13:21.

remarks and smears that have been heaped on Andy Burnham over the last

:13:21.:13:25.

48 hours. Actually very different to when the Prime Minister gave his

:13:25.:13:30.

statement on Mid Staffordshire. I think we will see more of that. I

:13:30.:13:35.

understand that is the way Mr Crosby does things. But the reason for

:13:35.:13:41.

junking the policy... There were two policies, and the reason for junking

:13:41.:13:47.

the minimum pricing for alcohol policy and the policy for having

:13:47.:13:51.

plain packaging for cigarettes could be that the Prime Minister has

:13:51.:13:57.

succumbed to lobbying from Mr Crosby, that is a possibility. We

:13:57.:14:04.

have no evidence. The other reason could be that Mr Crosby gave advice

:14:04.:14:08.

in a get the barnacles off the ships strategy, get rid of politics

:14:08.:14:12.

involving posh boys telling ordinary people what to do. That second

:14:12.:14:18.

reason, you can agree or disagree with it, but it would be an entirely

:14:18.:14:23.

legitimate piece of political advice to give, correct? That may or not be

:14:23.:14:27.

the case, I don't know. But if they will go down the politics of smear

:14:27.:14:33.

route, I don't actually think... are smearing the Prime Minister by

:14:33.:14:38.

saying he is in the pocket of big Tobacco. He needs to answer the

:14:38.:14:46.

question. I have lots of years in the pockets of big Tobacco. Pension

:14:46.:14:56.
:14:56.:14:57.

and Dell -- bends -- Benson and Hedge fund is, I believe was said.

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We are talking about the decibel levels in the House of Commons, but

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I think we have a general problem in British politics at the moment. Does

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this type of thing, the politics of smear, the shouting you see in the

:15:12.:15:17.

House of Commons, encourage more people to engage with politics or to

:15:17.:15:21.

walk away from it? One of the challenges for both parties in the

:15:21.:15:25.

lead up to the general election is, is the way we conduct ourselves and

:15:25.:15:29.

do our politics going to encourage people to take an interest and vote,

:15:29.:15:33.

or will it switch them off? I think people are more political than ever

:15:33.:15:38.

but I think one of the big problems we have is that they are switched

:15:38.:15:41.

off party politics more than ever. A lot of people watching this

:15:41.:15:44.

programme will watch it because they like PMQs, but a lot of people

:15:44.:15:49.

don't. Reign I don't think the suggestion that Lynton Crosby simply

:15:49.:15:53.

said to get rid of these policies because it is a way of pursuing a

:15:53.:15:58.

Tory election strategy free of distractions gets him or the Prime

:15:58.:16:03.

Minister quite off the hook. Mr Crosby is in the room and is in

:16:03.:16:08.

effect wearing two have, one is the paid representative of what Labour

:16:09.:16:13.

calls big Tobacco, the large tobacco firms, particularly Philip Morris,

:16:13.:16:19.

if he is in Norris but happens to be there on one occasion because he is

:16:19.:16:22.

being paid for by the Conservatives, there is not transparency about why

:16:22.:16:32.

he is giving the advice he is giving and on whose behalf. The sooner he

:16:32.:16:36.

takes a full-time position with the Tories, if he is doing their

:16:36.:16:43.

election campaign, the better, I would imagine? The Lib Dem leader

:16:43.:16:47.

Nick Clegg is also saying that he is not a government policy adviser, but

:16:47.:16:52.

here's highly influential with the Prime Minister and the Chancellor.

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In part, that is about telling them what not to do, policy wise. It just

:16:57.:17:01.

happens that one of the things he told them not to do, because it

:17:01.:17:05.

would be a destruction, was in the interest of one of his paid clients.

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We will see if he survives over the summer. Thank you. It might as well

:17:18.:17:28.
:17:28.:17:34.

rain until September. I remember when he went to arrest and in rails

:17:34.:17:36.

unasked for some asparagus tips and she came back and said, we haven't

:17:36.:17:43.

got any but we do have some Benson & Hedges. Good one. I've not had that

:17:43.:17:48.

one before. We could get you a gig somewhere else. Now earlier we asked

:17:48.:17:53.

two MPs to measure the noise levels in the commons during PMQs. We will

:17:53.:17:57.

get them to do stand-up comedy next time. Tessa Munt and Alun Cairns

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join us now again from Central Lobby. How loud was it? 89. It was

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quite loud but didn't quite cross the 90 mark I suggested. It was more

:18:08.:18:12.

subdued in last week. There was cautioned a little bit by the whips

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not to be too loud about, as I said earlier, last week there was a web

:18:17.:18:23.

operation to come out in strong support for Ed Miliband and then we

:18:23.:18:27.

retaliated on our side. Your decibel reading was the same as the food

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blender so pretty noisy. What about you Tessa Munt? Somebody was looking

:18:33.:18:40.

over your shoulder because it wasn't from you, to say you hit 92?

:18:40.:18:47.

actually went to 95 and 96 and then 97. Oh my goodness. Yours was lot

:18:47.:18:57.
:18:57.:18:58.

higher. That is Liverpool Anfield football ground which can get to 98.

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It was terrifically loud. You were sitting at the back and I was the

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front. My Lib Dem colleagues were quieter but I had some extremely

:19:07.:19:12.

noisy colleagues behind me. Allah coalition partners. You're blaming

:19:12.:19:20.

the Conservatives. -- oh, you are blaming your coalition partners.

:19:20.:19:27.

They were in full song behind me. I suspect my gadget picked them up

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clearly. Where you out of the chamber, only getting 94 question

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mark. I suggest the reason it went high at the front is because the

:19:43.:19:49.

noise came from the other side, rather than from our side but I

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think the important issue to recognise if it's a terrible

:19:53.:19:56.

environment to ask a question and a difficult environment to answer it,

:19:56.:20:01.

and that's why each side is basically trying to put the other

:20:01.:20:06.

side. That's not the purpose of PMQs. The purpose is to scrutinise

:20:06.:20:10.

the Prime Minister. He told me it serves the purpose, Tuesday night is

:20:10.:20:14.

the time of the week he gets to know everything which is going on in

:20:14.:20:18.

every department in case the question comes up. OK, thank you

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very much for being our noise level watchers and have a good summer

:20:22.:20:30.

break. Is that what you do with your Tuesday night? Absolutely, I do

:20:30.:20:38.

symptoms from the Commons din over their long summer break, well, they

:20:38.:20:41.

could spend some time under the Heathrow flight path. That's where I

:20:42.:20:44.

live. According to a government report, noise pollution levels of at

:20:44.:20:47.

least 57 decibels affect almost 260,000 people living near the

:20:47.:20:50.

airport. But Heathrow insists it needs a third runway and today is

:20:50.:20:56.

making its submssion to the Davies Commission on airport capacity. It

:20:56.:20:58.

conveniently won't report until after the next general election.

:20:58.:21:01.

Heathrow's Chief Executive, Colin Matthews, has got on his soapbox for

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:21:11.:21:20.

travelling nearly half a million flights. Heathrow is how the world

:21:20.:21:24.

's conscience come to the UK and how the UK connects to the world. --

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continents. They bring trade, which brings economic growth, which brings

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jobs, and the world economy is changing. The fastest growing

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economies are the most distant ones today and the UK is in the global

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competitive race to win in those marketplaces before our competitors.

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We are one of the world 's most successful airport and, unlike other

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UK airports, we had the scale to compete with Paris, Amsterdam,

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Frankfurt, and Dubai. We bring transfer traffic from right across

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Europe to Philip Long haul aircraft every single day of the year. That

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makes them efficient, economically viable, and means we fly long-haul

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routes we wouldn't otherwise have flown from the UK. But there is no

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more room here to put on new flights to many of the world 's

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fastest-growing economies. The choice for government is this, do we

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build on the strength of Britain has had to many of the world 's

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fastest-growing economies. The choice for government is this, do we

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build on the strength of Britain has had to throw or close it and at and

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new airport would. Closing Heathrow as the Mayor would suggest would

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cost 100,000 jobs and be bad news and thousands of businesses which

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are based around Heathrow in the last 50 years want more

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international links on their doorstep, not fewer. Today we have

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put forward new options for a third runway at Heathrow. Our proposals

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show how we can add more flights at Heathrow and still improve the

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environmental performance of the airport and with new aircraft

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technology, we show how we can have more flights and reduce the amount

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of noise. The debate is complex and there is no easy answers but

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Heathrow is more convenient for passengers, better placed for

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business and will deliver economic growth more quickly and cost less so

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Welcome to the programme. During the enquiry into terminal five, in 1999,

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BAA said they did not want a third runway so what's changed? People

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recognise just how important it is to the UK that we have direct

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connections to economies around the world. Those economies which are

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growing, China, India, they are a long way away and you can't take a

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shorthaul flight there, you can't take a train and you have to have

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long haul flights. We trade 20 times more with countries whom we have

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direct, rather than directing in transit. There's an element of trust

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for people living under the flight path, your proposal doesn't rule out

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a fourth runway, so your plan has no limit? There is a trust question and

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Dubai can airport commission taking an objective data driven view of

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what's best for this country. -- and we welcome. It is fundamentally a

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political decision. I think the economic cycle. We need the growth

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but noise is a real issue. It impact on local people is an issue and

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therefore it's right we choose the best option. But you can't rule out

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plans for a fourth runway in ten years time? I don't know on what

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basis someone historically said that because it's not our decision. It's

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a government decision which says what is our aviation policy. We are

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making our case today to the Davies Commission and we look forward to

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them coming to view. We think there's good evidence to say it

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matters to the UK. Over 700,000 people live under the current flight

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path. You mentioned the environmental impact. If a third

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runway was used to capacity, it would lead to 220,000 extra

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aeroplanes flying over London every year emitting 23.6 million tonnes of

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CO2 every year. If you want the globally low carbon solution, you

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would put your most efficient hub as close as possible to London. If you

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want low carbon solutions, you would definitely have your best hub as

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close as possible to London. In terms of noise, it's a real issue.

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We can drive noise down with a third runway because aircraft are getting

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quieter, we can develop operating procedures which means less of a

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noise reaches the ground and we can improve the scheme on the ground.

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third runway at Heathrow, no efforts and bats, that's what David Cameron

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said before the last election. have you said up a commission which

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is considering a third runway at Heathrow? We are looking at all the

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options. Like many commitments made in the manifesto, we are going to

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stick to my commitment until the next election. And beyond, and wait

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for the Davies Commission to report. It's overwhelmingly in our

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country 's national interest to have a hub airport capable of connecting

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us with a growing market of the world. You would like to see a third

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runway? We don't know where to put it. What about expanding Gatwick and

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Stansted where you have more room? They are all options we are looking

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at. They have intense political difficulties attached to them, as

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does the third runway at Heathrow. None of these things are easy. None

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of them is politically comfortable, but all of us, as parties, have to

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grapple with it and I think we all agree the Davies Commission is the

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right way to get very high quality objective answers. Lynton Crosby,

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let's think of him, is this another barnacle you have to get off the

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boat? We have a clear policy which we are going to maintain. We will

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only look at it again once we have the full advice from the Davies

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Commission in 2015. After the next election, which is kicking it into

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the long grass. It's not, it's a huge important project and it's

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important we look at it thoroughly. Labour has flip-flopped on this. The

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issue is, the difference between our position, we don't have an automatic

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preference for a third runway but the shame of this is it a classic

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example of the big infrastructure decision where you need cross-party

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agreement and we reached it two and half years ago... I hate to

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interrupt you but we have to do is leave it. Just time to give you the

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