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11/06/2014

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn present a special programme from Brussels with former defence secretary, Liam Fox, and former Europe minister, Chris Bryant with live coverage of PMQs.


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Good morning from the European Parliament in Brussels.

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The results of the European elections have caused quite

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a stir in Britain and now our new MEPs are here

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So just what are they going to get up to?

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We're live for a special Daily Politics from the heart of Europe.

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Britain is sending an unprecedented number

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of euro sceptic MEPs to Brussels - and that's not just from UKIP.

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We'll have the results of a special Daily Politics survey of MEPs which

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reveals their views on free movement of people, the euro and whether we

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Closer to home, there's good news from unemployment figures -

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But wages are still not keeping pace with prices.

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The row over who should be the next President of the

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Germany's Chancellor Merkel has reiterated her support for

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A member of Mr Juncker's EPP party will join us to argue his case.

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And Adam's brought his balls to Brussels to find out

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who people here think has the best vision for Europe.

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What does Austria think of David Cameron? I like this boy.

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Bonjour, guten tag, hola, goedendag - you get the gist - welcome to the

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This is a confusing place for the newly elected MEPs as they try to

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find their way round the euro-maze, but most of them will already have

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had a peak at the chamber, just a few metres behind us, where they

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will debate the issues of the day and pass laws which affect us all.

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This is a Daily Politics special but fear not, we will still be

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bringing you PMQs from across the Channel back in dear old Blighty.

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We've even found a couple of MPs loitering in the Brussels corridors.

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I give you the Tintin and Snowy of British Politics,

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Labour's shadow work and pensions minister Chris Bryant and former

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First this morning, the biggest news in Britain this morning is that

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unemployment has fallen again - down by 161,000 to 2.16 million in

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the three months to April, taking the unemployment rate down to 6.6%.

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But wages are still not keeping pace with prices.

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Chris, there are now 780,000 more people in work than there were one

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year ago. It is the biggest rise in 24 years. Why has Britain become

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such a job-creating machine? I'm delighted all these people are in

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work. But my concern is that we've seen a 40% increase in the number of

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people in work now having to claim housing benefit, which is going to

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come to some ?4.8 billion over the course of this Parliament. That is a

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dramatic increase in the amount we have to pay a benefit. We don't know

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from today, but a lot of these jobs are not full-time. Actually, a lot

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of the increase is in full-time jobs. Well, by definition there will

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be people on fewer hours than they want to be on. A higher percentage

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of people on low hours than they would like the we've ever had. And

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also wages are not keeping up with inflation. My question was, why are

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we become such a job-creating machine? Most countries represented

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in this parliament would give their left arm to have an unemployment

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rate of 6.6%. Well, we had a much longer recession and I think was

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necessary. We bumped along economic lead for the first three years of

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this government. Other countries over that period have had much

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better economic success, but we're getting it now. Apart from Germany

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they all have higher unemployment rates. As I say, my experience from

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my constituency in south Wales is a large number of people - and it is a

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fact all the charities are now showing - that more people in

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poverty are actually in work than out of work. That just shows we

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don't have the balance right of making sure work pays. Liam Fox, why

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are wages still seriously trailing prices? If you look at the figures

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today it was a 1.7 increase in wages and 1.6% increase in inflation. No,

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the increase in average earnings year-on-year is 0.9%. The increase

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in inflation was 1.8%. That was excluding bonuses. No, it was

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including bonuses. That was not the big eyesore. I can assure you they

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were the figures released. -- that was not the figure eyesore.

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were the figures released. -- that true people are finding

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were the figures released. -- that to make ends meet, the best thing we

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can do is to get the tax burden down on working people. That can be only

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done by getting control over public finances. One of the differences

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between the UK and other countries is we are tackling the deficit. In

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the UK with Bulls had something most of these other countries don't

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have, which is a fluctuating currency. You say we are tackling

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the deficit. Most countries represented in this Parliament have

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a much smaller deficit in Britain's. Germany, France, Italy,

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Spain. Even Greece has a smaller deficit. We inherited the biggest

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peacetime deficit and we had not got it down at the speed some of us

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would have liked to see. But we have a long-term plan for the economy. If

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you look at manufacturing figures, up 4.4% from a low base, we are

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recovering. It is a positive figure that shows the economy is beginning

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We lost half a manufacturing jobs We lost half a manufacturing jobs

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touring the years of Labour. We have We lost half a manufacturing jobs

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a long way to go but this is good news, particularly for youth

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unemployment. 58% in countries like Spain. We still have high levels of

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youth and employment in the UK. Even in a constituency like Newark you

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had 26.5% youth unemployment and long-term youth unemployment. The

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problem with youth unemployment in particular is, if you don't get your

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first job, it is not just an economic issue, it ends up being a

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social problem as well. But it is going down. It was going up when we

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came to office. No, the government was not in recession and it was

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going down. We have to move on. The make up

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of Britain's MEPs is radically If you don't believe me,

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ask the Lib Dems. So, being

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the fine public service broadcasters that we are, we thought we would

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carry out a survey to try to give you a flavour of what our European

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Parliamentarians believe in. We contacted all 73 MEPs

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and asked them four questions on the key European issues -

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EU membership, the Euro, 52 got back to us,

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so what did we find? UKIP have the biggest contingent

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within the UK's representation, 24 MEPs, of which 17 took part. As you

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would expect, they were of one mind, all agreeing the UK should

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leave the EU if membership could not be changed. That citizens movement

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should be restricted across borders and that the European Union should

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not accept new members. What is a prize! They all disagreed with the

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UK joining the euro, even if the conditions were right. What about

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the party for whom it Europe is not historically a unifier? All but one

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of the Tories and said the questionnaire. Most were

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Eurosceptic. Serve -- 13 MEPs believed we should leave the EU if

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terms could not be significantly changed. 12 agreed freedom of

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movement across borders should be restricted and all but one disagreed

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with the idea of the UK ever joining the euro. That didn't mean they

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wanted to stop others joining. 12 out of 18 did not think new

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countries should be stopped from joining the EU. What about more

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pro-European parties? We spoke to every single Lib Dem MP for our

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survey - or rather, the single Lib Dem MEP. As you would guess, they

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disagreed with leaving the EU if membership should be changed. They

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disagreed with freezing EU enlargement and disagreed with

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restricting citizens freedom of movement. But, whilst we got pretty

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straight answers from the Lib Dem, the Tories and UKIP, Labour got

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themselves into a bit of a struggle. 18 took part before someone high up

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decided they would not ants are individually but instead give as a

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group and sub. Out of the eight we spoke to, all eight disagreed with

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the UK leaving if the terms of membership could not be changed.

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Most disagreed with restricting freedom of movement and restricting

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new countries from joining. For agreed with joining the euro, to

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disagreed and to did not answer. And the rest? Well, we are still waiting

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for the group statement we were promised. As you heard, Labour said

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they would give us a response. They said they would consider each new

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country joining on its merits and while they support free movement

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they think it's impact should be managed. We speak now to Jane

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Collins, a brand-new MEP finding her way round the Parliament. Why did

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Labour make such a fuss about it MEPs and swing these questions,

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Chris? Sometimes when newspapers do these surveys, they are often based

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on hypothetical questions, as three of these were, they start with the

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word "if" and they are not very informative. On the whole, when I

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get those surveys, I don't do them either. They are quite

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straightforward questions of our time. What is wrong with a question

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about whether the European Union should accept new member countries?

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Well, let's see if another country wants to join. Croatia is in the

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process of moving towards it. Once it completes that and adopts the

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whole policy, it probably should join, but that is a moment in the

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future. So why couldn't you just provide that and so? Well, what you

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wanted was a yes or a no. So I would say it would be good in the long

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term if the whole of the Balkans was in such a state that it was able to

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join the European Union. Take the? Yes, we support Turkey 's eventual

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membership. You need to have a good understanding of freedom of movement

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before that could happen. What does better managed freedom of movement

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mean? I think it is wrong in the UK now that you have companies that

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advertise the jobs that will only be performed in the United Kingdom

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which are only advertised in Polish, in Poland. It is morally

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indefensible, and it is bad economic news. I actually think Brussels

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should consider that that is not a good way of managing movement as

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well. So I support free movement but I also want to say a needs to be

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managed. You need to have laws to make sure local workers are not

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being permanently undercut from outside. You know that would have no

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more than a marginal effect on the movement of people. I think it would

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have a dramatic effect. I will give you another instance. I think it is

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wrong when I'm scrupulous employers in the UK go to a low-wage economy

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elsewhere in Europe and take people, effectively trafficked them,

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because they charge the cost of their travel to the UK and then put

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them in substandard accommodation in the UK. It is exploitation and it

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makes it impossible for local workers to gain access to the labour

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market. How many migrants working now in Britain got their jobs

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through migrant only job displays? I don't know the answer to that. So

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how then do you know it would have a dramatic effect? Because I saw many

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instances of it. That does not mean it is dramatic. If you don't have

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the numbers, you cannot say that. I think it would be significant. We

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cannot price local workers out of think it would be significant. We

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jobs. I think that would make a difference. We also need

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jobs. I think that would make a difference. barren mind the country

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in the European Union that has the most nationals living elsewhere in

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the EU is the UK. 2.5 million. British people living in Spain.

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Using their board to accept that the huge blood is of immigrants under

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the Labour years did affect the wages of people? I did not say that.

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But the number of immigrants... Do you accept it reduced wages, or

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don't you? I think it had an effect, I don't think it had the dramatic

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effects some people suggest. I don't think there are millions of other

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people wanting to come to the UK to take our jobs. I dislike all that

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language, I think it is inappropriate. Actually,

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historically, we panic country that has sent people to live and work

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abroad and we've also accepted a lot of people into the UK. Should the UK

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leave the EU if terms cannot be changed? If we are to continue on

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the current trajectory, I would rather leave them stay under those

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terms. I hope we can get a looser relationship. What I would like to

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see is to go back to a much looser relationship. The only thing Britain

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has ever given its assent to in terms of the population was the

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common market. I think most people would like to have an economic and

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trading relationship with Europe but they don't want all the other things

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that have come along over time. How easily could reverse those will be

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the key question. And the common market involved the freemen movement

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of people. I would look at it from a different point of view. In the UK,

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given the position that we have, with the migration we have had in

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recent years, why can't we be more like Canada or Australia and have a

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point system? Because they are not members of the EU, we are committed

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a basic founding rule of the club. Exactly, one of the basic messages

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we have had from the elections is that the publishing of Europe see

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control of their borders as being synonymous with sovereignty. This

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macro population of Europe. That is a key issue because the Brussels

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bureaucracy and some of the European leaders don't want to accept that

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point. But the populations of Europe no longer want to have open borders.

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If you can have free movement more related to employment, so people

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have jobs to come to and create wealth in the country, that is one

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thing. But people coming speculatively is something the

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public no longer accepts. Before we move onto UKIP, should David say

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that if he can't get a major repatriation of powers, then he

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would recommend leaving the EU? I am not good put words in his mouth. I

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wouldn't advise him in public. What would you advise him in private? My

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view is if we cannot get a change in their relationship, I would

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personally rather leave them stay on the current trajectory, because the

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me, the logical end stage of ever closer union is union, and I don't

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want to be part of that. Let's speak to the newly elected UKIP MP for

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Yorkshire and the Humber. Is it true you struggling to find partners? We

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have made significant progress in the last few days but that is up to

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Nigel to discuss but I think we will form a group, yes. Why have you

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rejected working with the National front in France? They may share a

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Eurosceptic view but not the rest of our views. To start with, the racist

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element of her party is something we can't accept. Who would you like to

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join with in the European Parliament to further you wanting Britain to

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withdraw from the EU? As many Eurosceptics as you can stop -- as

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we can. I'm going to leave it with Nigel to announce when he has things

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finalised. Do you know who he has been talking to? I think he has got

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to announce that. But you are not worried about where you're going to

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be standing in future. What about the president of the European

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Commission, presumably you will not be backing Jean-Claude Juncker as a

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federalist, who are you backing? It is a difficult question for me to

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ask, because we want withdrawal from the use whichever president you look

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at, it is for more integration. So we're really not going to back any

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particular president. But you topped the poll, admittedly with your

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Eurosceptic agenda, but is the idea then just to frustrate, distort, go

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against everything, what was the point? Definitely not. We are a

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democratic party fighting for freedom, for the control of our

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borders back, and within the EU, we are here to be the eyes and ears of

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the people that voted for us and stop yes, we are going to get

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involved in the voting system on things that should be voted for or

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against, but we're not actually hear to be part of this enormous,

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out-of-control union. So yes, we're not going to be obstructive or

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rude... What are you going to vote on, give me some examples? At this

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moment in time, with it being my second day... ! I think I'm going to

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skip that one! You say you're not going to be obstructive, but you are

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here, you will be claiming your salary and your fellow UKIP MPs,

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people out there, you may be the eyes and ears of people who voted

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for you but what will you do tangibly? We have got to look at the

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thing is controlled by the EU, energy, immigration, the euro and

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what directives and legislation. All these things have a negative impact

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on individual countries, and we are here to make sure that the

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directives that are put through, the people who are voted for us, they

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know the impact they are going to have at home. Also about the dilute

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of useless legislation that comes out about the shape of bananas and

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where you can import your melons from and ridiculous things that gets

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spewed out everyday. Chris Bryant will say those are myths. It is just

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nonsense. Next week, if you want, I will put the directive in front of

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you. Why are you rolling your eyes? What most voters in Britain want, I

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grant that most of them are Eurosceptic, but I think they would

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want MEPs who will genuinely engage in the process here. Directives

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about working at height, for instance, will make an instant as to

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whether people die at work. Having the same rules... Can't our own

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government decide those? Do we need a European Union to tell us what

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height we can work? As I understand it, you want a shared market. You

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want a common market. For a common market committee need to have the

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same rules. Of course you do. What do our own MPs do if you can't

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decide that for ourselves? There is a lot of agreement between your

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view, Liam Fox, and UKIP. But there is a key question about the single

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market, which is whether it should be a market of mutual recognition,

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or whether it is a market of harmonisation. We have gone down the

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route of harmonisation, so we have imported lots of laws we don't need

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for the single market to function. There is a huge space and where we

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do agree is that there are lots of rules made in Brussels that should

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be made by national governments or not made by national governments if

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that is what they decide. What is the level running messages is across

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the continent, citizens don't like the direction of travel and they

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want more control over their own legislation. Where I think this is

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misguided is the vast majority of people now live their lives, not

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just within one country, they travel, they go on holiday, their

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work may happen elsewhere within Europe or whether their company...

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People go to work in America, we don't need the same laws. But one in

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four people go to Spain every, one in six go to Greece. The largest

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investor in the UK is French. Consequently, you do need... There

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is no point in turning our backs on the reality of life, which is an

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interconnected world and an interconnected Europe. Can I just

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check, you said it was Labour policy to support Croatia's membership of

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the EU? In the long term, it is not finished as a process. It joined in

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July last year! Well done! You have caught me. Croatia became a full

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member in July one, 2013. Now news reaches me that there is

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some sort of soccer tournament starting tomorrow - it

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will never catch on - there is another competition that is

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almost as fiercely contested. Apparently the race to complete

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the albums has reached a fever pitch with thousands

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of grown men and even some women doing anything to get hold

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of their last remaining stickers. Well, I've got some bad news

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for them, because there's I speak of course

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of the country's finest - Of course, the sticker that everyone

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wants is the one no one can have - We won't swap it for a Lampard, a

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Messi, a Rooney or even a Ronaldo, because there's only one way you

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can get your hands on one of these. We'll remind you how to enter

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in a minute, but let's see if you We didn't want a confrontation with

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the countryside but he has got one. Countries coming into Europe share

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Yes, the first Prime Minister's Questions since the Queen's Speech

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And I'm pleased to say as a special treat the BBC's

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Political Correspondent Ben Wright, who's just been following David

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He is joining us today. What are they going to talk about at PMQ 's?

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We have unemployment figures. What will Mr Miliband go on? He may be

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tempted to torment the promised more on Theresa May and Michael Gove,

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they had that awkward moment, separated only by Eric pickles. The

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and implement figures are difficult for Labour, they are positive news

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for the government but there is that slowdown in wage growth which plays

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straight into their argument about the cost of living. There is a

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passport fiasco story that is brewing at the moment in

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Westminster. Theresa May a game, backlog of passports. The unions are

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saying about half a million now have been delayed. Holidays being

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scuppered, the sort of story that can really be problematic for the

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government. This is a story that cuts through to people watching this

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programme, way outside the Westminster village. It licks and

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administratively problematic for the government in terms of mishandling a

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basic thing I had about ten of 15 and people then lost their holidays.

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People say, you should have sent in your passport for renewal earlier

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but often you can't because you have got to work, you have a commitment

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you to go abroad for. The passport office had built a repetition could

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be one of the most efficient government agencies around. It was

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turned around. The unions are saying it as a consequence of office

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closures and job cuts. One minister was saying, there is a bit of a

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problem, but it's evidence of a booming economy that people want to

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go on holiday again. That will go down well if it's your one annual

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holiday! But in order to go abroad you have to have a passport. Last

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night there was saying there had been a sudden increase in numbers

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and an unpredictable rise. They felt there was more money.

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I wish the England football team the very best of British before their

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first World Cup game on Saturday. This morning, I had meetings with

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colleagues I wish every team in the World Cup good luck! That has been a

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decision. If we continue at this rate, it is going to take 40 years

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for everyone to get as -- assessed. Is that acceptable? It is important

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when we introduce these new benefit it is done in a way that works well.

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So I would say it is very important not to have artificial deadlines

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replacing one benefit with another. The whole point about the personal

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independence payment is it is more accurate and targeted than

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disability living allowance. It will mean more help for those with the

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greatest disabilities, and I am determined to get it right. With the

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Prime Minister join me in congratulating the Foreign Secretary

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on organising this week 's important global summit to end sexual

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violence? It is indeed time to act. It is a huge credit to the Foreign

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Secretary for the work he has done and I would like to pay tribute to

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all of the NGOs across the world who come together for this extraordinary

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summit in London. It is vital we never forget about the victims of

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sexual violence in conflict. This is something far too prevalent in our

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world, but real advances have been made by having a declaration for

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countries to sign up to, and more importantly an action plan to

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prosecute wrongdoers and make sure they are punished. We must listen to

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the destiny -- testimony of survivors. Mr Ed Miliband. Let me

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join the Prime Minister in wishing England the best of luck in the

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World Cup. I'm sure the whole of the country will be behind them. Now,

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everyone will of been concerned about what is happening in certain

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schools in Birmingham, including girls forced to sit at the back of

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the class and the forced removal of head teachers. It is about a failure

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of local and national accountability. The key question for

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parents is this. If there is a serious problem at their school,

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where did they go to get it sorted out? First, let me echo what the

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Right Honourable member has said about how important it is to get a

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grip on this issue. The problem of Islamic extremism in schools is

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serious wherever it happens. I am determined, as is the Home Secretary

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and the Education Secretary, indeed the whole government, to make sure

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this is unacceptable in our country. People should be being taught in a

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way that makes sure they can play a full part in the life of our

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country. In terms of where you go to if you are concerned about what is

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happening in your school, firstly you go to the chair of governors and

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the headteacher. While I hope we can forge real unity across the House of

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Commons on combating Islamists extremism in our schools, I hope it

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is not used as an agenda to try and knock down successful school

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formats, whether Academy is created under the last government, all three

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schools graded under this government. There is certainly a

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degree on common ground, but the Prime Minister said people should go

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to the cherub governors or the headteacher. In certain cases, the

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headteacher was removed and the governing body was part of the

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problem. The truth is, it is a hard question to answer as to who parents

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should go to. We have an incredibly fragmented school system when no one

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is properly responsible. Some of the schools were local authority schools

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and some of them were academies, but what parents want is someone

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responsible on a day-to-day basis who can intervene quickly when

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things go wrong. We want to safeguard all schools. As I said,

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the first port of call is the headteacher and the chair of

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governors. If people believe there is a real problem, there is one

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organisation that has responsibility and that is Ofsted, of course. That

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is why it is so important what the Education Secretary has said about

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no notice inspections. What the leader of the opposition just asked

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is how can this happen quickly? Well, it will happen quickly if we

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have these no notice inspections. This is an important debate. If we

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are saying there is only one model of accountability that will work and

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some people in this house believes the only model of accountability is

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local government accountability, it is worth making the point that

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Birmingham City Council failed in their Judy to be 's parents. That

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night bed duty to be 's parents. So yes let us learn the lessons, but

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they must be the right lessons. It is definitely worth making the point

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about local academies. But on the issue of Ofsted inspections, they

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may happen only once every five years. That is not the

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accountability that is needed. Surely nobody believes the

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Department for Education can run 20,000 schools from Whitehall. Maybe

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this secretary of state believes that, but I don't think so. Nobody

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is arguing to go back to the local authority system. Isn't it time...

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If they just listen to the question... Isn't it time for a

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proper system of local oversight, separate from councils, responsible

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for standards at all schools, to prevent what happened in Birmingham

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happening elsewhere? I have to say I always listen very carefully to

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these proposals, but this sounds like creating a new local

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bureaucracy when we need to make sure that the resources are going

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into the schools for the teachers and the computers and the books and

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the equipment? He says and Ofsted inspection can only take place every

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five years. The point about these no notice inspections, if we're going

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to give this issue the it deserves, that a report about these problems

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could result in an instant inspection and instant action. Let

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me make one other point. It is often said some of these new formats for

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schools or free academies, which I thought the party opposite

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supported, that they don't act as fast as local authority schools. In

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fact, completely the opposite is the case. When there has been a problem

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in three schools or academies, far faster action has been taken on many

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of the local authority schools that have been left in a state of failure

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for far too long. I do have to say to him he is no answer to this

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question of accountability. Ofsted inspections are just not going to do

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the job and everybody knows it. Mr Speaker, I want to turn from the

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failures in the education Department to the failures in the Home Office.

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Can the Prime Minister update the house on the backlog of people

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waiting for their passport applications to be processed? The

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situation with the passport agency is extremely important to get right.

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I is extremely important to get right.

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they want to be able to go on holiday. We have three and a

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thousand extra applications than is normal at this time of year. We've

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increased massively the staff. The level of applications outside the

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normal three-week limit is less than 10% of that 300,000. Mr Speaker, the

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truth is that is tens of thousands of people finding that holidays are

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being cancelled because they are not actually getting a passport. He says

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they have increased the resources of the passport agency - that is not

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the case. There are greater responsibilities for the passport

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agencies since 2010 and fewer resources. Will the Prime Minister

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tell the house when the government first learnt about this problem? The

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government has taken action to deal with this problem not today but in

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past weeks. We've got 250 staff already redeployed to the front

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line, prioritising all outstanding applications. That will allow for an

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extra 25,000 examinations. Look, people will want to hear the

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answers! Order! Mr Robertson, you do have something of a lion 's roar and

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it lets you down because I can hear clearly it is you. As the EU, Mr

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Lucas, I've told you you need to go on some sort of therapeutic training

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course if you are to ascend to the level of statesmanship to which US

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buyer. Let us hear the answer. -- to which you aspire. The Home Secretary

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has announced today new offices will be opened in Liverpool next week

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with an additional 100 staff. The Home Office has been on this from

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the very start. It all begins with three and a thousand extra people

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applying for passports compared with last year. -- with 300,000 extra

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people. He says the government is sorting out the problem, but there

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are tens of thousands of people we understand waiting for their

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applications to be processed and who are finding that holidays are being

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cancelled. We're the Home Secretary fighting with the Education

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Secretary but not paying attention to the business of government. Here

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is the thing. To add insult to injury, people are being told if

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they want their applications processed in the three-week target

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they have to pay ?55 extra. Can the primers to get a grip on the

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situation and paid families when the backlog will be cleared? It will be

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cleared, not least because we are not wasting time with the National

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identity card scheme we inherited from the party opposite. Isn't it

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interesting, Mr Speaker, not a word about the unemployment figures? He

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simply cannot bear the fact in our country we now have 2 million more

:43:50.:43:52.

people in work in the private sector. He cannot stand the fact

:43:53.:44:00.

unemployment has fallen yet again. The claimant count has come down. He

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is allergic to good news because he knows that as our economy gets

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stronger comic he gets weaker. -- stronger, he gets weaker. It is now

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28 years since the devastating event happened in chin bar and the effects

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are still being felt, especially by children. Last year, we cancelled

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visitation rights for many children. Since charging for visas, we've seen

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a 50% reduction in these young people being able to come to counter

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the UK for respite, will he reconsider that? I'm happy to

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reconsider it. We all remember the horrific event. Obviously, we charge

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for visas because we have to cover the cost of operations to make sure

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we protect ourselves from people who should not come here, but I will

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look carefully at what he has said and perhaps I will write to him.

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Will the Prime Minister agree that now more than ever we need to build

:45:08.:45:12.

a strong and robust civil society? 100 years ago this August, the war

:45:13.:45:19.

broke out which killed 16 million and devastated communities. The lack

:45:20.:45:24.

of active participation in politics is declining rapidly, only 34% of

:45:25.:45:29.

people boated in the recent elections. Can we agree to meet on a

:45:30.:45:36.

cross-party basis to look at citizenship in this country in a

:45:37.:45:42.

serious way so we can look at how to encourage active citizenship? I

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think people feel that these institutions are rather distant to

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them and they don't feel the relevance. I would prefer that we

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put our resources and effort into practical programmes, like national

:46:05.:46:07.

citizens service, which I think it's a superb service that many young

:46:08.:46:12.

people are taking part in the vacancy the importance of engaging

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in their communities and the world. That will lead to greater political

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participation. Will the primers to join me in welcoming the 2 million

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new private-sector jobs... The Prime Minister join me. And will he

:46:29.:46:33.

continue with the long-term economic plans to make sure that figure will

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go up? I think he makes an important point, this is a milestone we have

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reached, there are 2 million more private-sector jobs than when this

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government came into office, 2 million reasons for sticking to the

:46:49.:46:54.

long-term economic plan. Can I thank him particularly for the work he has

:46:55.:46:57.

done for his constituents in terms of running job club after job club

:46:58.:47:02.

to help make sure that the businesses that need more workers

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are put in touch with the people looking for a job. It is a vitally

:47:06.:47:09.

important service that MPs are delivering. Given the revelation

:47:10.:47:16.

that the royal prerogative of Mercy has been granted in at least 16

:47:17.:47:20.

cases related to terrorism in the days and weeks following the Belfast

:47:21.:47:25.

agreement, and cases stretching back to the 1980s, would see

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minister-macro agree in the interest of openness and transparency and

:47:32.:47:36.

justice, and cases here in Britain itself, that he should be

:47:37.:47:41.

intervening to ensure that the circumstances of these exercising of

:47:42.:47:46.

royal prerogative should be repealed so people will know the facts of

:47:47.:47:53.

these cases? I will look very carefully at what the honourable

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gentleman says about this. The last government had to make some very

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difficult decisions to get the peace process working. I don't want to

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second-guess those difficult decisions because what we have in

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Northern Ireland now, yes we have frustrations and difficulties, and

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we have the basic architecture of devolution and parties working

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together across historic divide and I don't want to put that at risk.

:48:23.:48:30.

Today's employment figures show that implement is down by 37% since May

:48:31.:48:37.

2010, in Kingswood. I have held eight jobs fairs advertising

:48:38.:48:42.

hundreds of local jobs, just some of the 2 million private sector jobs

:48:43.:48:46.

created since this government. But there are still more to do. I am

:48:47.:48:50.

launching the Kingswood Challenger today, and mentoring or job

:48:51.:48:55.

fostering scheme where local business leaders will be paired with

:48:56.:48:59.

local people looking for work, helping provide them with one-to-one

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support. Can I thank him for what he's doing, to put people touch with

:49:06.:49:10.

businesses, this is absolutely key, because there is no complacency on

:49:11.:49:13.

the side of the house about unemployment whatsoever, youth

:49:14.:49:16.

unemployment, long-term unemployment, we need to remove

:49:17.:49:22.

these scourges from our country. We have a goal of full employment and

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the way to achieve that is not simply through a growing economy but

:49:29.:49:32.

the way to achieve that is not also by making sure we help people,

:49:33.:49:34.

train people and give them all that is necessary to get a job.

:49:35.:49:41.

Shockingly, one in three children in the north-east are now living in

:49:42.:49:46.

poverty, it is the highest rate in the UK. Significantly, two out of

:49:47.:49:53.

three young people who are living in poverty are living in working

:49:54.:49:57.

households now. With the prime Minster agree with me that something

:49:58.:50:01.

has gone sadly wrong with regards to child poverty and can he say,

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please, please tell me where it all went wrong in the first place? What

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I would say to the honourable gentleman is that the best route out

:50:14.:50:18.

of poverty is work. If we look at the north-east, the number of people

:50:19.:50:23.

employed in the north-east is up by 47,000 over the last year. That's

:50:24.:50:28.

what's happening in the north-east. I know Labour want to have this

:50:29.:50:32.

narrative in our country but let me give them some facts. Inequality is

:50:33.:50:38.

at its lowest since 1986. There are 300,000 fewer children in child

:50:39.:50:43.

poverty than when I became Prime Minister, half a million fewer

:50:44.:50:46.

people in relative poverty then at the election. Mr Campbell, when you

:50:47.:50:54.

are eating curry, in the Kennington tenderer, you don't yell across the

:50:55.:50:59.

restaurant. Don't yell across the floor of this house! What we need to

:51:00.:51:07.

do is tackle the causes of poverty. Underachievement at home, drug

:51:08.:51:12.

addiction, that is what drives this government, there are 250,000 fewer

:51:13.:51:17.

children in failing schools than when we took office. A toss of

:51:18.:51:32.

taking even longer to carry out medical assessments, they are rotten

:51:33.:51:37.

to send assessors to Argyll and Bute. Will the Prime Minister tell

:51:38.:51:43.

them that they should not discriminate against people in this

:51:44.:51:46.

way and they must receive their assessment as quickly as in the rest

:51:47.:51:52.

of the country? BC there are challenges, particularly in

:51:53.:51:57.

far-flung rural like his, but we have to make sure that those people

:51:58.:52:01.

get their assessments properly carried out but these assessments

:52:02.:52:06.

are important. The whole point is we don't want to leave people on

:52:07.:52:10.

unemployment or other benefits year after year, we want these tests and

:52:11.:52:14.

assessments properly carried out so we can see if they are applicable

:52:15.:52:22.

and what help they need to get work. Did the Prime Minister's intention

:52:23.:52:26.

to legislate to help people with the cost and insecurity of renting their

:52:27.:52:30.

homes lose its slot in a packed Queen 's speech, in the plan to ban

:52:31.:52:40.

plastic bags ordered him not have any proposals in the first place?

:52:41.:52:45.

The government is ensuring we build more houses, that is what we need to

:52:46.:52:50.

do. Yes, we need greater transparency in terms of what

:52:51.:52:54.

letting agencies do and we are delivering that, that is part of our

:52:55.:52:57.

programme, but I don't believe our policy of rent controls which we

:52:58.:53:05.

have told would put up rents, is the answer. Metal fabricators, hydraulic

:53:06.:53:14.

fitters, CMC turners, mechanical engineers and vehicle maintenance

:53:15.:53:17.

apprenticeships are just some of the real jobs for local people on offer

:53:18.:53:25.

at my jobs there. -- jobs fair. With the news that 2 million private

:53:26.:53:30.

sector jobs have been created since 2010, will he continue to support

:53:31.:53:35.

those who are creating real jobs and quality apprenticeships? Absolutely.

:53:36.:53:42.

The point he makes is a good one, we are seeing a rebalancing of our

:53:43.:53:47.

economy. Manufacturing figures, with a growth in manufacturing, all the

:53:48.:53:51.

elements of GDP, construction, manufacturing, growing. We want to

:53:52.:53:56.

see a recovery which is broadly based across the different sectors.

:53:57.:54:00.

When it comes to the figures today, you can see pay levels in industries

:54:01.:54:04.

like many factoring and services rather than... Last week, the Right

:54:05.:54:12.

Honourable member for Schlitz said that people in the UK have not yet

:54:13.:54:18.

felt any sense of recovery -- Rushcliffe. Today the ONS confirmed

:54:19.:54:22.

that in the north-east, full-time workers are ?36 a week worse off

:54:23.:54:27.

than they were last year. Does the prime ministers agree with his

:54:28.:54:33.

Cabinet colleague? There are 47,000 more people in work in the

:54:34.:54:36.

north-east than there were a year ago. The best route out of poverty

:54:37.:54:43.

is work. What that needs to be followed by the tax reductions that

:54:44.:54:46.

this government is bringing on to make sure that you are in work and

:54:47.:54:56.

better off in work. The company based in my constituency have

:54:57.:55:00.

increased their turnover by 10% to over ?2 billion last year. They have

:55:01.:55:05.

increased their workforce significantly, contributing to the 2

:55:06.:55:09.

million private sector jobs created under this government. On top of

:55:10.:55:14.

that they have just been voted European family business of the

:55:15.:55:19.

year. Will he join me in congratulating them and agree to

:55:20.:55:25.

visit this British success story? I'm sure I will be visiting his

:55:26.:55:29.

constituency before long. I join him in congratulating this great British

:55:30.:55:33.

company, I believe they came with me to China where we were pushing

:55:34.:55:37.

speeders as hard as we could, including getting them on a vital

:55:38.:55:42.

Chinese equivalent to Amazon, to make sure that they could be sold.

:55:43.:55:48.

Happy to come and visit, this is part of the economic success story

:55:49.:55:56.

of our country. On Monday, I am going to the UN to address a number

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of member states and to present a cross-party petition in support of

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the inclusion of the right to healthy early childhood in the new

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post 2015 millennium development goals. This petition has been signed

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by people from 170 countries. Can I therefore ask the Prime Minister to

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support, with his advocacy and support of his government, this

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leadership by the United Nations to create benefit for at least 200

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million of the world 's poorest children? I patiently to the Right

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Honourable Lady and what she's doing in this area. Britain has tried to a

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leading role in making sure there is a replacement for the millennium

:56:48.:56:51.

development goals. I co-authored a report about what should be put in

:56:52.:56:55.

their place. At the heart of this was the idea of better maternal

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health and health services for women in childbirth. Very happy to look at

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the proposal she makes and make sure we put the full weight of the

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British government behind it. Could I join my right honourable friend in

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wishing the England football team every success at the World Cup.

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Could I also raise one of the darker aspects of the beautiful game.

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Recently one of my constituents were seriously assaulted while refereeing

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a local football game by one of the players on the field. He was very

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seriously injured. Could I ask the Prime Minister what steps the

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government is taking to ensure that violence, whether it occurs on the

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field or off the field, is treated with equal seriousness and is never

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tolerated? He makes an important point, we all support the England

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football team, it's good to say that again, but it is really important we

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crack down on all forms of bad behaviour, whether on or off the

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pitch. Referees should have the full protection of the Lord Mitchell

:57:59.:58:03.

community football is safe and enjoyable. I pay tribute the FA,

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spending the importance of respect in our game. I'm afraid I might have

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nightmares this evening about the Prime Minister modelling speedos but

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I thank him for sharing that image with us! On a more serious

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I thank him for sharing that image Scotland alone, since this Prime

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Minister took office, the number of people reporting to be forced into

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using loan sharks is up 57%, it is estimated as a total of 85,000

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people in Scotland. Can I ask the Prime Minister what his government

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is going to do about this? That we reassure the honourable lady that

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speedos do also make shorts, so if I can clear that picture out of her

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mind... ! On this issue... Look, there is a series of issues that

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Honourable members quite rightly raise, that we need to properly

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tackle to make sure that we make sure everyone in the country

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benefits from economic recovery, on the minimum wage, which was

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declining, became PM, it is now increasing. Unserer hours contracts,

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legislation to get rid of it -- zero hours contracts. On payday lending,

:59:32.:59:35.

now being properly credited with a cap on payday lending. On the wage,

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the penalties not playing it have been quadrupled under this

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government. -- on minimum wage. The Prime Minister must know that every

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member of this has collectively and jointly shares at total repugnance

:59:57.:59:59.

that a young woman has been sentenced to 100 lashes and the

:00:00.:00:02.

death penalty simply for wanting to practice her faith. Will he request

:00:03.:00:10.

the UK delegations to the UN Council on human rights to press the case

:00:11.:00:15.

that the concept of apostasy is in and total conflict with the UN

:00:16.:00:23.

Convention on human rights and will he reassure the house that the

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Sudanese government has left us in no doubt what apparent they are held

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in. If you share his apparent about the way this case has been treated,

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it is barbaric. I can confirm we will be raising this case at the

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forthcoming UN human rights Council, Sudan is on the agenda at

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this council and we should ring the full weight of everything Britain

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can do to make clear the acceptable way the woman has been treated. It

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is good of him to wish the England football team every luck but with

:01:06.:01:08.

this Cabinet split and the coalition fractured, should he not be picking

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up the phone to Roy Hodgson and asking for some tips on team

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discipline? I wouldn't want to offer Roy to much advice but what I would

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say about this government... We have had the same chancellor for four

:01:30.:01:32.

years and we have record growth in this country. We have the same Home

:01:33.:01:38.

Secretary and we have had record falls in crime, the same Education

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Secretary and we have too much and 50,000 fewer children in failing

:01:43.:01:47.

schools. -- too much and 50 fewer children.

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The Prime Minister will have heard calls from Honourable members on all

:02:10.:02:14.

sides of this house for an independent enquiry on the

:02:15.:02:17.

Hillsborough model into organised child sexual abuse in this country.

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Can he be satisfied that current police investigations are sufficient

:02:24.:02:26.

for the public to have confidence that we are both willing and able to

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get to the truth? He makes a very important point, I have looked at

:02:34.:02:35.

this carefully with ministerial colleagues. We have a series of

:02:36.:02:42.

enquiries taking place into what happened in various hospitals and

:02:43.:02:44.

care homes and indeed media organisations. It is important the

:02:45.:02:50.

government keeps a clear view about how these are being co-ordinated and

:02:51.:02:57.

how the lessons are being learned. At the moment, led by the Home

:02:58.:03:02.

Secretary and her colleagues, we do have a proper view of what is

:03:03.:03:09.

happening at these organisations. The Labour Party's policy to

:03:10.:03:16.

allocate NHS funding based on health needs actually reduced health

:03:17.:03:21.

inequality by 85%. White of the government to scrap its?

:03:22.:03:26.

Why did the government scrap it? The government has made sure that health

:03:27.:03:35.

budget ring fenced and to deliver the money according to the need of

:03:36.:03:39.

the various areas. The only part of the country I'm aware where Labour

:03:40.:03:43.

policies are put in place is Wales, where they haven't hit a health

:03:44.:03:50.

target since about 1989. Experts are saying people are dying because the

:03:51.:03:54.

matter of time they spending on waiting lists. Youth unemployment in

:03:55.:04:11.

my area is down 83% since 2010. It reflects the 2 million new

:04:12.:04:13.

private-sector jobs created since then. Will he be building upon this

:04:14.:04:18.

success by providing more opportunities and skills for young

:04:19.:04:23.

people by expending traineeships and apprenticeships? Even though 50 is a

:04:24.:04:31.

small number of people to be young and unemployed in Harrogate, it is

:04:32.:04:35.

still 52 many. Our ambition in the next Parliament should be to make

:04:36.:04:41.

sure everyone has the chance of going to university or taking an

:04:42.:04:44.

apprenticeship and relieve no one behind.

:04:45.:05:03.

recruit reserves. What has happened is the number has actually declined

:05:04.:05:08.

since 2012. If the content to continue to provide an update on

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this further example of the government incompetence? What we

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inherited in terms of defence was not only ?1 billion black hole but a

:05:24.:05:27.

situation with the military reserves where they had been under resourced

:05:28.:05:34.

and undervalued for years. We now have a programme for building them

:05:35.:05:40.

up. We're now going to see the strongest possible professional army

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with all the quit meant they have and a strong reserve force making

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sure we can meet all the obligations -- obligations we have. Now, that

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brings us to the end of our coverage of that. We are back to daily

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politics now. Mr Miliband talked about both the fallout from the

:06:18.:06:21.

Birmingham schools row and in particular was asking to whom should

:06:22.:06:29.

parents go if they are worried about something happening in the school?

:06:30.:06:34.

Not quite a clear and so mad. Then he moved on to this growing row over

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the passport office, people not getting their passports in time. Mrs

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May has been making statements that they are on top of it. Apparently,

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they are going to the extent of opening the passport office for

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seven days a week. The Minister of defence had to sit between the Home

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Secretary and the Education Secretary today to make sure there

:07:07.:07:12.

was no hostility! As far as we could see, nobody was hurt in the process.

:07:13.:07:24.

Let's hear what you thought. Philip Hammond working on behalf of the

:07:25.:07:32.

whole of the government there! Now, viewers and said both on schools and

:07:33.:07:38.

passports. This tweet from Tom Jones said, despite Labour's attack, they

:07:39.:07:43.

actually favour more freedom for schools as well. Another view said

:07:44.:07:49.

Ed Miliband's responds shows his fear of basic local accountability.

:07:50.:07:55.

And a final response: If is dead -- Ofsted cannot monitor all the

:07:56.:08:02.

schools, I am concerned. Another viewer said Ed Miliband went for the

:08:03.:08:12.

wrong topic. The cost of fuel is more relevant. On schools, it is

:08:13.:08:19.

interesting that Labour is not challenging there is a problem. If

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you read some of the press coverage over the weekend, reports suggested

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this is overblown. Labour has not gone down that route. It is saying,

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if the local authority does not run the school anymore, who do you go

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to? That's right, and they are in a difficult decision. They took

:08:42.:08:45.

forward the academy programme, they wanted schools to be independent. So

:08:46.:08:51.

now they are in a bind. Do they advocate greater local authority

:08:52.:08:55.

site again, which is what the Prime Minister was goading Mr Miliband to

:08:56.:08:59.

say, or do they go for some new way of holding schools to account? Free

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schools and academies are all overseen by the Department for

:09:05.:09:09.

Education. Ed Miliband was calling for a unified structure of

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accountability at a local level. I'm not quite clear what he's got in

:09:13.:09:17.

mind. The Prime Minister was vague about what he thought about the

:09:18.:09:21.

idea, but that is the issue they are grappling with. A fragmented

:09:22.:09:38.

situation. Today I asked the Ghostbusters question, who are you

:09:39.:09:44.

going to call? Who do you call if there is a problem? As a

:09:45.:09:50.

constituency MP of a parent came and said there was a problem in the

:09:51.:09:54.

school, first you would go to the local teacher and governors. If you

:09:55.:09:59.

didn't get satisfaction, you would go to the local education authority,

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and after that the MP would write to the secretary of state. What do we

:10:04.:10:09.

do if it is an Academy or free school? Well, you still have the

:10:10.:10:16.

governors and the headteacher. If you're not happy with that, it is

:10:17.:10:19.

perfectly reasonable for the parent to talk to the MP who would then do

:10:20.:10:27.

the same thing. So why we would need a whole new level across the whole

:10:28.:10:31.

country, I wasn't clear about the proposal. In Birmingham, part of the

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problem would seem to be the governors. Absolutely, and I think

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this issue has shown it the Achilles heel of the government's education

:10:46.:10:50.

policy is this issue of what happens when it goes wrong. Where does the

:10:51.:10:59.

buck stop? Where do you go? Our proposal is very simple, you should

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have a local director of standards whose job it is to make sure there

:11:03.:11:08.

is a port of call. Would that be more bureaucracy? Well, you can call

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it a bureaucrat. I'm wondering what it would consist of. It would be

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more than one person, I'm assuming. You would need resources to

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investigate and you would have to legislate in order for that to

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happen. And whom would they be accountable to? Well, at the

:11:30.:11:35.

moment, they are accountable to nobody other than the secretary of

:11:36.:11:37.

state and education. On the whole, I don't like Westminster deciding one

:11:38.:11:42.

system to be the same everywhere in the country. There are no free

:11:43.:11:54.

schools or academies in Scotland. I take it it is the same in Wales.

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What I'm saying is you cannot have the secretary of state as the sole

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person responsible for 21,000 schools. Now, the second issue Mr

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Miliband spoke of was this growing row dominating the papers and online

:12:12.:12:21.

about passports. It's unclear if the government actually accept there is

:12:22.:12:38.

a crisis. To reason may was said to have taken her eye of what's going

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on. The Prime Minister said there had been a spike in applications, I

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think he said 300,000 more than this time last year. But the

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government's response is to keep passport offices open longer, open

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an office in Liverpool and employ more staff. The danger for the

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government is, if people come forward with their stories about

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horrendous delays and a backlog does emerge, David Cameron, he did not

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give a sense of real urgency. In your view, is there a crisis in the

:13:27.:13:32.

passport office? I've not had a huge number of complaints as a

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constituent MP. But you can't tell from that. From what I understand,

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for one reason or another, there is a much bigger of applications than

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you would normally get at this time of year. It would be interesting to

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find out why. Just working out the figures, 30,000 across the country,

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that sounds like a bit of a crisis to me. It is 45 in every

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constituency. And normally it is not one person affected, it is a family.

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Certainly that is the case in the first instance I had. That was 2.5

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months ago, it was my next-door neighbour. Were unable to go on

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holiday when their child who had applied for their first passport was

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not allowed to go. All the talk in Parliament

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at the moment is about whether Jean Claude-Juncker should get the top

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job of European Commisson President. Mr Juncker him

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self has said he's found the scrutiny, particularly from the

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British press, difficult to deal I use it in you will be president of

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the commission? -- are you certain. I do not give interviews. What do

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you think of the British Prime Minister? Do you have any message

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for the people of Britain interested in your candidacy? A year a lot

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about you but they don't hear from you. We are not doing an interview.

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Well, he didn't look very happy there. How could you harass that

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gentle man? If looks could kill, I don't think I would be here. I've

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been talking to people around him. I think in Britain we write about

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Europe, we write about Jean-Claude Juncker. There was a piece a week

:15:54.:15:56.

ago calling him the most dangerous man in Europe. This stuff does get

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read. It gets through to Berlin. They read it. I think he is angry

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with the press, you know is how he is being talked about. It is one

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reason he does not want to do interviews with the British media.

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His team say they are not doing anything until it is clear who the

:16:27.:16:30.

council is going to appoint as their nomination. But I've seen him do

:16:31.:16:34.

interviews with German TV. He does not want to talk to the British

:16:35.:16:40.

press. I said to them after that, that looks ridiculous, why does he

:16:41.:16:43.

not sit down and talk about why he once the job? But they do not want

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to engage. Well, Mr Juncker, if you are watching, and I know you are, we

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will give you an interview and we will be very polite. All the

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candidates presented themselves to the European Parliament, whiting you

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give them that? Aymac why did you not broadcast that? Well, thank you

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for your advice! Talking of Mr Juncker

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and his plans for Europe, we thought we would see what the good people in

:17:25.:17:27.

and around the European Parliament thought about the competing visions

:17:28.:17:30.

of Mr Cameron and Mr Juncker. Adam's popped over on the Eurostar

:17:31.:17:32.

with his balls to find out We've got a good spot here at the

:17:33.:17:47.

European Parliament, we've got some Euro coloured balls, and we are

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going to have people who has the best vision for Europe, David

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Cameron, or Mr Juncker? None of those. Do we have to choose between

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those two? Mr Juncker has more experience in European politics. I

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will go for Mr Juncker. I live in Luxembourg. Have you heard of

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someone called Mr Juncker? Of course. Who do you prefer? Juncker,

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Mr Juncker. What does Austria think of David Cameron? I like this boy,

:18:38.:18:47.

but I don't understand him. I think I heard thunder so it might be time

:18:48.:18:48.

to go inside. evening with? With both! Can I? I

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don't see Jean-Claude Juncker as how he's been characterised. What is he

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actually like as a person? He is very funny. I would say Mr Cameron.

:19:18.:19:26.

Because he brings in something new. Reluctantly, almost... No question!

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Mr Cameron. There aren't many of you around here, is it lonely? Not at

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all. Europe has spoken clearly, reform is needed. I don't vote. No,

:19:45.:19:55.

no. Who has got more balls, David Cameron Jean-Claude Juncker. That is

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not a question! It is a question! The bad news is, we have been thrown

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out of the European Parliament, you are only allowed to interview MEPs

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here, not do things like this. What is so bad about Mr Cameron?

:20:11.:20:29.

Since the British became a member, they have created the impression

:20:30.:20:32.

that they must have a special exception for everything. You look a

:20:33.:20:39.

bit like Jean-Claude Juncker! I think I will go with Cameron because

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Jean-Claude Juncker is not the right man. Is he like Margaret Thatcher?

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We have been rained on, thrown out of the European Parliament, rained

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on again and look, David Cameron, I'm afraid, you don't have that many

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friends here. With me now is the

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Jacek Saryusz-Wolski, who's vice chair of the European People's Party

:21:10.:21:11.

and Jean Lambert, who's an MEP What is the case of Mr Juncker? I

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guess it is democracy, because the European parties are in the running

:21:31.:21:34.

of those elections, so with those lead candidate, one of them was

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Juncker. 40 formerly in people voted for him. But they didn't vote for

:21:39.:21:46.

him. They voted for the party to selected him to be the candidate.

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More people voted for him than in Britain for Mr Cameron. It is

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inconsistent on the British side, David Cameron's side, to criticise

:21:59.:22:02.

that the commission is overrated bureaucrats and then, when we want

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to make it elected, to contest that. We are ready to talk about the

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substance of the programme but not the verdicts of democracy and we

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don't think it should come from the oldest democracy in Europe, which is

:22:17.:22:23.

Britain. But the Lisbon Treaty only says that the Council of ministers

:22:24.:22:27.

has to take into account how people vote is, how the parties stacked

:22:28.:22:31.

up, not how it has to follow the results.

:22:32.:22:35.

vote is, how the parties stacked up, not how it has to follow the He

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or she should be elected by a qualified majority is in the

:22:37.:22:40.

Council, and there is a qualified majority already in the council. So

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he has to have two qualified majority is Andy has both. It is

:22:49.:22:53.

only Mr Cameron who is questioning that. Across Europe, there were

:22:54.:23:00.

millions of people, who in the way they voted, showing this

:23:01.:23:04.

satisfaction with the European establishment at the moment. --

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dissatisfaction. Would it not be a slap in the face to appoint somebody

:23:10.:23:14.

who is synonymous with the ways of the European establishment? Just the

:23:15.:23:19.

opposite, it would be strange to elect somebody who was not a winner,

:23:20.:23:24.

who did not get the majority. The fundamental principle of

:23:25.:23:28.

democracy... His name wasn't on the ballot paper. He was on our

:23:29.:23:36.

programmes, yes, yes. His name wasn't on the ballot paper.

:23:37.:23:42.

Everybody knows who the leader of the server tips labour. Now,

:23:43.:23:48.

everybody knows who he is! Thanks to David Cameron! Only 7% of Germans

:23:49.:23:55.

had ever heard of him. But who else is not the winner should be elected?

:23:56.:24:00.

The idea that people who voted for any party that was part of it was

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voting directly for Juncker 's and the key thing is whether those who

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have been running the European project understand what happened at

:24:11.:24:13.

the European elections. There was a seismic shift. The idea they should

:24:14.:24:24.

carry on saying nothing is happened will only increase the void. They

:24:25.:24:30.

are not directly elected to say everybody knew who he is utterly

:24:31.:24:35.

untrue. I doubt anyone in Britain knew who he was. Would you like to

:24:36.:24:43.

see as the President? I don't have a candidate or an agenda. What we

:24:44.:24:49.

should be looking for is a candidate who doesn't simply want to continue

:24:50.:24:52.

in the same direction and at the same speed as before, there needs to

:24:53.:24:57.

be some account taken of the fact that almost 30% of the seats in the

:24:58.:25:01.

European Parliament now belong to parties who have a different

:25:02.:25:05.

direction or who want to leave altogether. If not, the voice will

:25:06.:25:12.

be louder next time. Did you support Juncker? You have your candidate for

:25:13.:25:16.

the presidency but that isn't going to happen, do you think Jean-Claude

:25:17.:25:20.

Juncker should be President? For us, should be the first one to put

:25:21.:25:23.

forward a programme and every vote on the programme. I want to see what

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is on the programme. There is an assumption that because of what he

:25:31.:25:33.

has been, therefore that is what he will present. If he is the astute

:25:34.:25:37.

politician people think he is, he will be looking at what has come out

:25:38.:25:45.

of the European election, looking at areas of disaffection, also looking

:25:46.:25:48.

at the challenges the European Union now faces, which are not about going

:25:49.:25:52.

back to a simple free-trade agreement with deregulation, whether

:25:53.:25:59.

it is environment, workers rights, whatever, he will have to look at

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some of the challenges the EU faces, they are financial, social,

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democratic, environmental. If he does that Will you and your fellow

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Greens back in? If he manages to do that, we will be amazed, but we will

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have it. Will you be convinced he is a changed man and will take into

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account what happened in the elections in terms of the showing

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from some on the left, anti-austerity parties, to get

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support from the Greens? The basic rule of Westminster is the winning

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party gets the Prime Minister ship. It is the same. Faction of the

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Greens and the Christian Democrats and Socialists, all of them are in

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favour so we have a majority in the parliament in favour of the

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designated winner. So David Cameron can stuff it. He has no majority in

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the parliament either. He is try to solve the eternal British problem

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with European instrument and blackmailing the majority of

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European voters. Does labour ward? , correct something, Iceland is the

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oldest democracy in Europe. Unlike Croatia. I wouldn't vote for Juncker

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myself but I do accept some of the argument, I think it is overplayed,

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this argument about democracy. This is not a full democratic campaign

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that was late, I think it's a sign of weakness Britain now has that the

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Conservative Party cannot have a candidate because it is not in the

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EP BP. We are bit lukewarm about Martin Shaw... He is a federalist

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like Tim Moore. I am being told we have run out of time.

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Before we go and enjoy a plate of moules-frites washed down with

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a pint of Belgian beer, there's just time to give you the result

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Sadly BBC competiton guidelines being what they are we couldn't

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bring the infamous red button with us, but

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The red button, I have got it, I am pressing it. There you are! The mud

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is yours, Julia. That is about the hardest thing he

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has had to do all week! The One O'clock News is

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starting over on BBC One now. What's the hardest thing

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about being a foster parent? You're constantly trying

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to build the elusive trust. It's like a big old question mark

:29:18.:29:20.

in your heart.

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