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Fierce battles are under way in parts of Iraq as Islamist

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militants and government forces fight for control

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We'll discuss the latest developments

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and the threat posed by these jihadists back here in Britain.

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Iain Duncan Smith comes under fire over his welfare reforms, as

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Which county has adopted a flag with three black pears as its standard?

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And why are people across England going crazy for celebrating

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We'll talk to the country's leading vexillologist and a town crier.

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And we'll profile this 17th century philosopher in the latest of our

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series on Britain's favourite political thinkers.

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It's surprising, really, that this most conservative philosophers

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should promote ideas that were radical and would have such a

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revolutionary impact. And with us for the duration two

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newspaper columnists - Peter Oborne of the Daily Telegraph,

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and Jackie Ashley of the Guardian. Now, there's a glut of stories this

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morning about various aspects of To take us through them all,

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let's talk to our political It's like alphabet soup. PIP, USA,

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the PAC. Let's start with Margaret Hodge's Public Accounts Committee?

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Behind those acronyms there are a few pretty important stories. You

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need to get through the thick et to get to them. Personal independence

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payments, money to help people suffering from a long-term

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disability. There was a report by the National Audit Office, the

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official number crunchers, in February, that found all sorts of

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fundamental issues. The Government not realising ing how many

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assessments would have to be done. How serious they would be and how

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long they would take. Margaret Hodge, the chair of the Public

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Accounts Committee, a woman who cuts through these things defendant lane

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strongly has given her -- defendantly and strongly has given

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her characteristic robust response. It has been a shambolic fiasco.

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People have had to wait for far too long to be assessed. Remember we are

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talking about vulnerable people, disabled people who need extra money

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to live in their home. They will have been through a life-changing,

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or experiencing a life-changing condition, for example, they may

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have had a stroke, they've got cancer. They may have had a motor

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cycle accident and they need this benefit to live. And the Government

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says all that assessment is based on old figures, old numbers, they say

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they are on time and on budge wet that plan. Speak being on budge

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eted. The Government's limit on welfare spending, recently unveiled.

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There is a story about that might be breached because of spending on ESA.

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Tell us about that? The employment and support allowance. It is not new

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T replaced income support in 2008 T appears there are problems.

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Documents leaked to the BBC show civil servants scratching their

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heads and saying - this is costing a lot of money, what do we do about

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it? And coming to the conclusion that they weren't awfully sure. One

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of the documents suggest this is one of the largest fiscal risks

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currently facing the Government and they also suggest the risk is so

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great it could breach the Government's welfare cap. The cap on

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the amount of money it spent on most, not all of welfare for

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2015/16. The people at the Department for Work and Pensions say

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these are spurious scone oar yes, sir and they say they are very sure

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they will not be in a position where they breach that cap.

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sir and they say they are very sure they will not be However much some

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of their civil servants appear to have worried about it. And finally

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the big idea of the Government's welfare reform, to roll up a number

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of the major benefits into Universal Credit. You get a single payment

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instead of a raft of payments, it is Iain Duncan Smith's big plan, it has

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had a lot of critics on the implications and the application of

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it. Where are we with that? That's thushl. Critics about the way it is

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being done. -- this is' crucial. It is not necessarily about it

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happening at all. It has had pretty much cross-party support but the

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application has note gone smoothly. There are only ten job centres at

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the moment where you can get this. Something like 6,500 people are

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getting Universal Credit. They hoped it might be 1 million originally by

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now. As of Monday there will be an extra four job centres to add to

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those ten. They hope by the end of the year, another 86 in the

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north-west of England. You shove all these things together and Labour see

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a department on the point of crisis. They say - look, this tells you all

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you need to know about how this place is being run by Iain Duncan

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Smith and those working for him. Inside the DWP they argue and they

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argue pretty forcibly it has to be said - you simply cannot say that.

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They have put in place complex stuff, also inrollment on pensions,

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a new jobs website. A contract they also say for people taking up

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employment and they argue they can deliver things and where things have

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had problems in the past they are sorting it out. The big issue with

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all of this, we are not just talking about theory and politics and who is

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up and who is down, when this goes wrong, people suffer, July they

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shall people don't get money, that's why it is so high profile and why it

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matters and the figures on the national books are huge. It is

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difficult stuff this. You have got to get it right. Thank you very

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much. I think you may need to go and lie in a dark room to recover after

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that. The interesting thing about this, is

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as a general principle the Government's welfare reforms are

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popular. Even Labour seems this week to be running to try to catch up.

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But the devil is in the detail. A lot of that seems to be going wrong.

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I think the problem is they have had a long time to prepare for this. It

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has been Iain Duncan Smith's baby for many years now, this whole idea

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of reforming welfare. But they have not piloted the properly. The idea

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was to pilot it in lots of areas first and then roll it out. They

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have not taken into account that by doing more individual assessments,

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the basis behind t to get rid of what they call the scroungers, it is

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taking time. It is taking time for people to do that and getting the

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appointments done. No-one has looked into the mechanics of how it would

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operate which is why it seems to be falling to pieces. Is the welfare

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reform project still on the rails, or is it in danger of falling off

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the rails? It is definitely on the rails. I think it is worth just

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looking back a bit and thinking why it had to be done. Basically the

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beverage bell fair state was in collapse. In an act, I think --

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Beverage Welfare state was in collapse. I think Gordon Brown used

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the to create a basis for Labour voters. In other words the welfare

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state paid you to be remain unemployment and have no hope in

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your life. If you went on to get a job, financially it became an

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impossible thing to do. Mr Brown did that? That was Mr Brown did, that it

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was evil. As Chancellor, what he did was abuse this great noble yfted

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welfare state, to help people if they lose jobs, if -- great noble

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idea of the welfare state. To help people if they lose jobs and are

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suffering abject property and made it a lifestyle. We saw it in

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Benefits Street that successful programme. People who were supported

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by the state to be out of a job. You think that Gordon Brown did this

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deliberately? I think it was something Labour boasted about. It

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created a system that was so complex that you couldn't get off the dole.

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It is an incredibly brave and wonder ful thing which Iain Duncan Smith is

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doing and trying to do. Now, what these reports have shown and we have

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had it with the Universal Credit, is it has been very, very difficult to

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change the basis. I think the signs are that they are certainly trying

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still to push it through. Thank you. I'd better let Jackie reply. I can't

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quite believe I heard people say that Gordon Brown deliberately

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wanted people to sit at home. I thought he was a big believer in

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that Scottish Presbyterian work ethic? And he need ed to balance the

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books. It wasn't good for the question. It was disastrous.

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It became too complicated and too many benefits and some people taking

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advantage and Iain Duncan Smith has struck a chord when he says it is

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wrong for whole families to be on benefits for years and years. The

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human stories that the Public Accounts Committee uncovered during

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their inquiry is really shocking and it shouldn't be allowed to happen

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this quickly, leaving people with months and months with no benefits.

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I can't prove he deliberately did it in that way but that was the effect

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of the Brown system, to create a base of people dependent on the

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state. I remember the Thatcher Government taking people off

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unemployment benefit and putting them on disability benefit because

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it was open-ended. Which is why you have the employment and support

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allowance problem. Anyway, the debate continues but for us. Time

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for the daily quiz: According to the Secretary General

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of NATO, with which British pressure group is Vladimir Putin said to be

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plotting against? A) Anti-fracking campaigners,

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b) The Cat Protection League, c) Fathers 4 Justice, or d)

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The Automobile Association? At the end of the show Jackie

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and Peter will give us In Iraq the fighting between

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the Islamist-led militants ISIS and pro-government forces is continuing.

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Fierce battles are being fought at Baiji, the country's biggest oil

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refinery and Tal Afar airport in northern Iraq, which

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the rebels claim to have seized. The United States,

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the only Western power with any real ability to intervene,

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doesn't seem to have the appetite. President Obama is reluctant to get

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involved and that reflects US opinion.

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But he said yesterday he'd send 300 military advisers to help the Iraqi

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government. We have had advisors in Iraq through

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our embassy and we are prepared to send a small number of

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our embassy and we are prepared to send a small number additional

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American military advisors, up to 300, to assess how we can best

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train, advice and support 300, to assess how we can best

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train, advice Iraqi security forces going forward. American forces will

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not be returning to combat in Iraq. But we will help Iraqis as they take

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the fight to terrorists who threaten the Iraqi people in the region and

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American interests as well. Tlr concerns over the danger of

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blowback into their own countries. Earlier this week David Cameron said

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"It was the most serious concern to British security." Pointing to

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British jihadists returning to Britain.

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Is David Cameron right? Are Jihadis returning from eastern, western

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Iraq, the biggest threat to the UK from terror? They are one of the

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biggest threats. They have warned Western

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from terror? They are one of the biggest threats. They have countries

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of the fact they intend to return to attack here. They have thousands of

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fighters, foreign fighters, who have come from different countries to

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join them in Syria and Iraq and relatively unnoticed we've had a

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successful attack on European soil. It happened to be a French jihadist

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who attacked the Jewish museum in Belgium. He was a returning fighter

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from Syria. Though it has gone relatively unnoticed, that precedent

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has been set. We have arrests in Britain where people have attempted

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to attack after returning from Syria. We have had fluent

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English-speaking fighters warn Canada and America that they'll

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return to their countries of origin and attack and it is worrying

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because at this moment in time we have more foreign and European

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fighters in Syria than ever went to Afghanistan. We have all heard of

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the Afghan blowback and I think we are woefully unprepared for the

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Syria blowback. Our own Frankrd Gardener, the BBC's security

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correspondent that estimates are 2,000 have gone from Europe, of

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which between 400 and 450 have come from this country. I suppose the

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danger is, that it is quite clear that they are being well-trained,

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that they will be or are already battle-hardened, that they are

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extreme. We know that ISIS is extreme. So, they are, if they come

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back, the potential for them to be dangerous people, when they come

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back I would have thought is very high. A no-brainer. When you say,

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treem, let's put in context how extreme. This is a group that's too

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extreme for Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda has expelled ISIS from its Chan fra be

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chies. They believe them to be too unruly and uncontrollable. That's

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what we are dealing W there are roughly 400 British born and raised

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citizens who have gone there. They are joining a group too extreme for

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Al-Qaeda. There is no turning back. ISIS after the conquest of Mosul and

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other cities amounting to one-third of Iraq, has set a new global

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standard for global jihadists. Al-Qaeda is yesterday's news. People

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coming to join them, are joining ISIS. It is the new zeitgeist. It is

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very worrying, they are literally unhinged as a nation. Speaking of

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the British nationals, do we know who they are and why they have gone?

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The security forces have a these early saying security services who

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seem to have no idea that ISIS was about to take the second biggest

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city in Iraq and huge chunks of the desert. If they didn't know that,

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why would we have confidence that they know who these people are? It

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is sad, it is unfortunate that last year I warned on the BBC of foreign

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fighters for a film we made with this week. People reacted by saying

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it was sensationalist, it was not going to happen. A couple of weeks

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before ISIS took most of all, we were warned they would go into Iraq.

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-- moulds all. We seem to have a pendulum approach to these sorts of

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issues. We did not like what happened with the original invasion

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of Iraq. We have taken a back foot. These people, when they returned to

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Britain, or they may go to Turkey, Pakistan... Are we in any position

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to know that when they land at Heathrow Airport or at Dover, that

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we know who they are and where they have been? No. It is complicated by

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the fact that some people have gone for a genuinely charitable and

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medical purposes. The real concern is that there are up to 400 who have

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gone to fight. It is very difficult to fill in. You can take a holiday

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in Turkey and walk through the porous border. It is difficult to

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avoid the little's incentives are in fact it. If this is a long-term stop

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there is no short-term fix. Until now, there is no "too challenging

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extremism in this country. Given that the security services don't

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know what is going on, how do you have for the fourth of humour I say

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that. There are organisations are actively monitoring and verify

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individual voices from the cases they have been interviewed. There

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are hundreds of fighters from you. Would review the side, I don't think

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there is any doubt that there are some, sometimes these figures are

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thrown out as they gain currency. You're never sure what the

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provinces. But assuming this is a problem, what do we do about them?

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We have first of all to acknowledge that we created a lot of the

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problem. The last three years Britain has been enabling and

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helping this lot in Syria. It has been part of the British policy to

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bring them on our side. We have been very careless about the people we

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have entered alliances with. The ISIS fighters, from the Baathist

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army. They come from the groups we have created in order to get out of

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Iraq cleanly. They come party from these jihadist groups who worked

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alongside our allies in Qatar. In what way has Britain helped ISIS? It

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was our policy to bring down Assad. We did not have the will or microbes

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are perhaps not the ability to intervene directly to get rid of

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Assad. So we allowed the Saudis and the Qataris to fund these terror

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groups. How could we stop the -- how could we stop them? They are our

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allies. The use of the jihad e-groups, they were on our side. We

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wanted Assad out. We must acknowledge that is part of the

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legacy of our Syrian rhetoric. I understand all that but you have not

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explained how we have directly helped ISIS. I did not say that. All

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of that is water under the bridge. The issue is what is to be done now.

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We think there are a number of these people. They are British national.

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If they are nationalised British citizens, we have the power to stop

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them. If they are British nationals, born here, there is not a lot we can

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do. The intelligence services, someone said to me in a previous

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programme, the intelligence services would have to monitor them. I think

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part of the problem is that ever since the weapons of mass

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destruction weren't there, there is a great sense of not believing the

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security services know when they say there are all of these people. I'm

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sure this is part of the problem you are finding. People say nothing is

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happening. We have really got to get the public onside and say, this is a

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thread. -- threat. All of that is fine. It doesn't address the major

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problem is that if these people, when they come back to this country,

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as many of them will do, and they present their passports to border

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control, and if we are lucky enough to know that they have been part of

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ISIS, part of beheading squads, part of rounding up people and killing

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them, shooting them in the back, what do we do? There is very little

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in the short term. We don't know who is gone in the first place. There is

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very little in the short term we can do. We must start counter messaging

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online. ISIS have an app. They have a smartphone. They are so far ahead.

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We are so far behind. We are so far behind in terms of grassroots and

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communities in this country. 400 fighters roughly do not just get up

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and risk their lives without coming from a certain atmosphere that

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generates the sympathy for that cause. Yet the communities in local

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government department, four years too late, is yet to publish its

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non--- is extremist strategy. That may help deal with the problem in

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the future. Where we seem to have no policy response at all is in how we

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deal with those that have already gone. Some of them are in prison.

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The national vendor 's management service does not have a

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comprehensive the radicalisation plan for prisons. Jihadist groups

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are openly recruiting in prisons. And there is no strategy in place to

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start the counter messaging and presence. There are 3% of this

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country who are Muslims yet 20% are in the prison population. They are

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vulnerable to radicalisation and predisposed to violent environments.

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We have two take out finger out and challenge extremism. Sadly, we are

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dithering on this subject and we have been for too long. Is their any

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good news?! ISIS appears to want to control a state. It needs oil

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fields. That means boarders at the end of the day. That means it has

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certain conventional... Al-Qaeda had no designs. It was not based

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anywhere. That suggests to me there is a possibility that eventually

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they will settle down and become an area of land which you can negotiate

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with. I don't know. That is a bit of a silver

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with. I don't know. That is a bit lining there!

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Now if you're an avid follower of the Daily Politics,

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you'll know about our long-running series which showcases some of the

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We've discussed Karl Marx, Niccolo Machiavelli, Friedrich Hayek, Peter

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You can see all of the films in the series on our website.

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Today we're looking at the 17th century English

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These video is not running. I will now give a lecture on John Locke. --

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the video. I did political philosophy at University. He was

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quite a good writer. He liked the odd cup of tea in the morning.

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And Lisa Nandy joins us now from our studios in Salford.

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You have no idea how happy I am to see you! Hi, Andrew! I will take

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that as a compliment. You are a champion for John Locke. Tell us

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why. Quite simply because he had such an astonishing impact not just

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here in Britain but on the rest of the world as well. He had this huge

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inside the Government 's don't get their power handed to them by God.

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They get their power from the people and rule only by the well and

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consent of the people. That gave us the basis of Parliamentary democracy

:25:43.:25:47.

and sparked off revolutions in France, America and you can see John

:25:48.:25:51.

Locke basically written into every line of the American Constitution

:25:52.:25:56.

still today. Can we count him among those philosophers both in this

:25:57.:26:01.

country and in continental Europe, that began laying down the

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philosophical case for governments to be held accountable by the

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people? Absolutely. He went further than that. He said governments have

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two rule in the interests of the people that put them there. And if

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they don't do that, they can be removed. Although John Locke was

:26:20.:26:23.

actually quite an establishment figure, he certainly was not a

:26:24.:26:30.

radical or revolutionary. He went on -- it was that that provided the

:26:31.:26:33.

underpinning for the American and French revolutions. He made a huge

:26:34.:26:39.

impact around the world. If you think now as well that there are

:26:40.:26:43.

still people fighting for the right to be recognised as the people are

:26:44.:26:48.

power should reside, with limits on executives and their ability to rule

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over them. These things are really important. I have got more questions

:26:52.:27:00.

to ask you. I am delighted to say, we have put a shilling in the meter

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and there is just a chance your film will run. Let me hold my breath and

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see what happens. John Locke life. He joined in safe

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in the and here in the library I have in front of me letters that

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John Locke wrote back to the Royal Society. One from Montpelier.

:27:44.:27:50.

Observations of the moon. Here, in Paris, a letter written on

:27:51.:27:57.

observations of a medical quirk. Here, a constitution, a part of

:27:58.:28:04.

colonial America. Things like this became the foundation for the

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American Constitution. This is a man with varied interests and

:28:08.:28:11.

interesting things to say. Today we would call him a polymath. I am off

:28:12.:28:19.

to meet a Labour MP who thinks his philosophy of politics is what makes

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him relevant. Let's start at the very beginning. Lisa, we have come

:28:24.:28:32.

to a nursery, which may seem odd but it is one of John Locke's big theory

:28:33.:28:39.

is that we were all born a blank slate and accumulate knowledge. What

:28:40.:28:44.

excited you about John Locke? That theory made a huge splash at the

:28:45.:28:50.

time. What excited me was the theory of a quality he puts forward. We are

:28:51.:28:55.

surrounded by children, all of them with different characteristics. What

:28:56.:28:58.

John Locke argued was that for the purposes of political representation

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none of those differences matter. We are all equal. When I first picked

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up these books at university and found this radical idea in what is

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really quite an established and -- establishment figure, I thought he

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was worth reading. Those radical ideas get him into trouble with the

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establishment. I want to take you to the scene of what may or may have

:29:18.:29:23.

been -- may not have been a plot. Let's go. Lisa, this is right house.

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It is just a gatehouse now. In 1683, John Locke is implicated in a plot

:29:37.:29:41.

to kill Charles II, who was king, and his brother James, who will

:29:42.:29:46.

become king. John Locke asked to flee Netherlands. He does not come

:29:47.:29:52.

back to Britain. -- John Locke asked to flee to the Netherlands. William

:29:53.:29:57.

of Orange is installed on this wrong. It seems he is adapting to

:29:58.:30:00.

those people in power because they seem to believe what he believes? I

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think you are looking at this the wrong way round. He was riding for

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those people in power. People who had the ability to change things. At

:30:10.:30:16.

times this makes his philosophy seem inconsistent, perhaps a little bit

:30:17.:30:19.

incoherent. The really exciting thing about John Locke is that he

:30:20.:30:26.

was a doer as well as a thinker. He lived through these tremendous

:30:27.:30:30.

times, the battle for power between King and Parliament. His argument

:30:31.:30:34.

about the limits of power changed what was to happen next. Doctor

:30:35.:30:38.

Elizabeth Fraser of Oxford University is clear that not only

:30:39.:30:41.

does John Locke affect what happens next year, but abroad, too, by

:30:42.:30:49.

making a simple argument. He's the great theorist of anti-patriarch

:30:50.:30:52.

it. He set out to argue that patriarchal list theory, which was

:30:53.:30:57.

very common in the 17th century, the idea that political power is the

:30:58.:31:03.

power of the father over his son, it is the power of the husband over his

:31:04.:31:08.

wife, that is what the King's power is, he set out to show that that is

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false. This is where John Locke worshipped

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for the last 13 years of his life. He is buried in the churchyard.

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Church is quite important to one of his principal philosophies, the

:31:30.:31:34.

separation of power between church and government? Locke was concerned

:31:35.:31:43.

with the limits of Government power. Instead of seeing the monarchy what

:31:44.:31:48.

happeneded down divine right from God. He seen it as the power of the

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people. This of paved the way for the American War of Independence and

:31:53.:31:55.

the French revolution. If you look at the American constitution, you

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can see Locke written into every line of that document. It's

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surprising, really, that this most conservative of philosophers should

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end up pushing forwards ideas that were tremendously radical and have

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such a revolutionary impact. Speaking about the church, he is

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very interested in religion, isn't he? He writes this profound defence

:32:17.:32:20.

of religion toleration. He might have been doing that for political

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reasons, but the impact was to launch the first sustained campaign

:32:25.:32:28.

for religion freedom from inside the Church of England. Let's see if we

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can find his grave, in the churchyard.

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I think, if I'm right, yes, there he is. There we go. The plaque here was

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actually put together by the American and British Commonwealth

:32:47.:32:50.

association. So, clearly, they understand the importance that he

:32:51.:32:56.

has in the American political system but what relevance does John Locke

:32:57.:33:03.

have to us today? I think he is hugely relevant. His defence of

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toleration set up broad principles which mattered with the far right

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sweeping Europe. But there is something more than that, that I

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think he will be remembered for. He set out the foundation of Western

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democracy, this idea that Government only derives its legitimacy from the

:33:20.:33:23.

will of the people and with trust in politicians at an all-time low and

:33:24.:33:28.

people dissatisfied with politics as a whole, we could do so much worse

:33:29.:33:32.

than to revisit the writings of a man from the 17th century to find

:33:33.:33:35.

answers to some of the really challenging problems that we face

:33:36.:33:37.

today. Now back to Lisa Nandy who was on

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the film, in Salford now. There were Coentra digses to what he wrote. You

:33:54.:33:57.

say he wanted religion toleration, but not for atheists. Yes. But

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interestingly, though, on the other side he was way ahead of his time in

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that he disliked the power of man over women, at a time when even

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progressive philosophers were largely writing about men? Yes,

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there were lots of contradictions in his writing. I think that was

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largely because he was writing for political purposes. He wrote about

:34:22.:34:29.

the way of stopping a Catholic from descending the throne and he wrote

:34:30.:34:34.

about religion toleration to prevent Catholicism taking over, as as he

:34:35.:34:39.

saw T whether what he did was by design or accident what he did

:34:40.:34:46.

provoked the freedom of thought. Not just religious thought but this idea

:34:47.:34:49.

that the Government and churches don't have any right toll tell us

:34:50.:34:53.

what we believe and violence isn't ineffective it is also illegitimate

:34:54.:34:58.

that. Defence has lasted for much longer and can be easily extended to

:34:59.:35:02.

things like women's rights, for example, for to atheists' rights to

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believe what they may believe. Locke might have been horrified that that

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would have been where his argument ended up being used but envelopes it

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makes him an important figure. OK, thank you for that.

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Jackie, I suspect he might also have been surprised that once we got

:35:17.:35:21.

government that is were accountable to the people, how disillusioned we

:35:22.:35:27.

became with them. A more verious defence of Locke, I'm not sure I

:35:28.:35:31.

would describe him as the first great feminist thinker which seemed

:35:32.:35:35.

to be coming out of Lisa's analysis He Weualities put our values out of

:35:36.:35:40.

other generations. For me, not enough social justice in his

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philosophy. A great man. Jackie has put her finger on T it is marvellous

:35:46.:35:49.

to see that the Labour Party is coming to appreciate John Locke the

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great defender of property. He was also - and fabulous to see some

:35:55.:36:02.

Oxford don making out he is the project of feminism. He was a

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radical philosopher at the time but he became - he is now a very

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conservative philosopher because his ideas were embodied in the American

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state. And he's - and we should celebrate him as Conservatives and

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it is wonderful that Labour... celebrate him as Conservatives and

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it is wonderful Didn't he have a wonderful nose didn't you think? It

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was quite a hooter. I wouldn't disagree with this point about

:36:28.:36:30.

feminism. I don't think you can make a strong case for Locke as a

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feminist at all. I think the point about property is

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feminist at all. I think the point about quite interesting because one

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of the things that Locke argues is that we only derive our ownership of

:36:40.:36:44.

property because we expend our energy in creating something with T

:36:45.:36:48.

he has this huge section of his philosophy where he talks about

:36:49.:36:51.

tilling the land and mixing your labour with the land and that is

:36:52.:36:56.

where you derive your ownership from the fruits of that labour from.

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That, was an idea that was to become pretr he men duesly significant

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later on when it was taken up by Karl Marx. It is right to say he is

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a Conservative philosopher but he has had an impact in many, many way

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that is he would never have anticipated. All right. Lisa Nandy

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thank you very much. Good to talk to you. Thanks. As I say, you can see

:37:16.:37:19.

all of our pen portraits of philosophers over the centuries gone

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by on our websites. Are there any women among them? I'm not sure. Oh,

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dear. Mary Wilson, perhaps. She'll do. Phew! This was meant to

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be an easy segment of the problem. # neck -- of the programme.

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It was a hard fought competition, and despite a valiant effort it's

:37:49.:37:51.

But I'm not talking about some soccer tournament in

:37:52.:37:56.

South America, I'm talking about the Europe's next Commission President.

:37:57.:37:58.

I know you've been talking about nothing else.

:37:59.:38:00.

David Cameron will have one final chance to stop the coronation

:38:01.:38:03.

of Luxembourger Jean-Claude Junker at next week's EU summit -

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As well as being in charge of the money, the Commission initiates

:38:06.:38:11.

all EU legislation, acts as a guardian of the EU treaties and it

:38:12.:38:15.

Whilst European leaders propose who becomes the President,

:38:16.:38:21.

they now have to make the choice taking into account the elections to

:38:22.:38:25.

The European People's Party won that election and proposed Mr Junker

:38:26.:38:33.

as its candidate, a man who David Cameron described

:38:34.:38:35.

Just to make it even harder, Britain doesn't have a veto

:38:36.:38:43.

The decision is made by qualified majority and the

:38:44.:38:48.

Prime Minister needs support from countries representing 38% of the

:38:49.:38:52.

Whilst a number of leaders have privately expressed reservations,

:38:53.:39:03.

Just like the England football team, there is still a slim chance

:39:04.:39:09.

of success and it rests on the Italians.

:39:10.:39:12.

Italy's Prime Minister Metteo Renzi could be an unlikely ally.

:39:13.:39:17.

Mr Renzi is said to be unhappy at Juncker's austerity plans and may

:39:18.:39:22.

this week. the Presidency was clear in PMQs

:39:23.:39:36.

It is a simple principle, much more connected to the principle than the

:39:37.:39:42.

name. It is this, I think it will 's be shared on every side of the

:39:43.:39:46.

House. The members of the European Council who are the elected Prime

:39:47.:39:49.

Ministers and elected presidents under the treaties, we should choose

:39:50.:39:53.

who runs the European Commission. I don't mind how many people on the

:39:54.:39:57.

European Council disagree with me, I will fight this right to the very

:39:58.:40:04.

end. And what I would say - what I would say to my colleagues on the

:40:05.:40:08.

European Council, many of whom have expressed interesting views about

:40:09.:40:12.

both this principle and this person, "If you want reform in Europe, you

:40:13.:40:17.

have to stand up for it." If you want change, you have to vote for

:40:18.:40:21.

it. That's the message I will take and that is is the right message for

:40:22.:40:24.

our country. joined by Stephen Booth, research

:40:25.:40:28.

director at the think-tank Open Is it a done deal, will Mr Juncker

:40:29.:40:41.

get the job? He is the favourite. The irony is what has been held up

:40:42.:40:45.

is the great hope for pan-European democracy has descended in horse

:40:46.:40:49.

trading and backroom deals we have seen in the past. As you mentioned

:40:50.:40:52.

earlier, it sli still a swing voter and there is still a degree of

:40:53.:40:56.

unpredictability there. If there are others, other than Mr Cameron who

:40:57.:41:00.

don't like the prospect of Mr Juncker, why don't they speak out,

:41:01.:41:03.

too? Lots of things going on. Cameron has made it a point of

:41:04.:41:07.

principle, about the national leadership of the Commission

:41:08.:41:10.

President, not the European Parliament. People like Matteo Renzi

:41:11.:41:14.

in Italy is fighting a different battle, he is concerned about get

:41:15.:41:20.

concessions from germ on on how the eurozone is run. People may end up

:41:21.:41:25.

on the same side but for different reasons. President of the European

:41:26.:41:32.

Parliament think it is should be Mr Juncker and even if it is agreed

:41:33.:41:36.

that they were not going to do that by the European Council, there could

:41:37.:41:39.

be a stalemate because if they nominate somebody else, he or she

:41:40.:41:42.

still has to be approved by the European Parliament? That's right.

:41:43.:41:45.

The European Parliament has a veto over the apartment in the end. You

:41:46.:41:48.

could end up having two or three rounds of this process where

:41:49.:41:51.

national leaders put someone forward and it is either accepted or

:41:52.:41:55.

rejected by MEPs. You are quite keen for Mr Juncker to get the job, I

:41:56.:41:59.

understand, but perhaps not for the same reasons as Mr Juncker? No, no,

:42:00.:42:06.

I think speaking as a yurpted, a Conservative eurosceptic, those who

:42:07.:42:09.

don't wish Europe particularly well, want it to bring itself into

:42:10.:42:14.

disrepute. And some sort of clueless, sort of ex-premier of

:42:15.:42:21.

Luxembourg, that sort of world centre of tax-dodging and

:42:22.:42:25.

corruption, where they are held in complete disdain by other world

:42:26.:42:31.

leaders, a man wrededdedsed to some 1970s bankrupt ideology, this is the

:42:32.:42:35.

man we need, the full ghastliness of the European idea will be brought

:42:36.:42:38.

into widespread attention. #12k3w4r it is, is it not, quite remarkable

:42:39.:42:45.

that -- It is, is it not, quite remarkable that given the European

:42:46.:42:48.

elections and events in the eurozone, youth unemployment and so

:42:49.:42:51.

on, that there is deep disillusion with the European project across not

:42:52.:42:56.

just in this country. I mean the National Front won the election in

:42:57.:43:00.

France and they are as eurosceptic as you can get but the response of

:43:01.:43:04.

the European elite is to choose a man synonymous with the European

:43:05.:43:08.

establishment way of doing things? I have to grant you, that is true. I

:43:09.:43:12.

would prefer to talk about David Cameron and I think he's being

:43:13.:43:16.

damaged by this - I'm going to fight this on the beaches and that. That's

:43:17.:43:20.

just process. It is not. When he talks about the great reforms he is

:43:21.:43:24.

going to win from the European Union he will then put before the British

:43:25.:43:28.

people in his referendum, people are not going to be so sure he can

:43:29.:43:31.

achieve them. People have said - absolutely he is going to stop this

:43:32.:43:37.

man, Juncker. Was he right? He has a point of view, he is entitled to it.

:43:38.:43:41.

That's not what I asked. Is he right? I think in the way he did it

:43:42.:43:46.

was foolish. A typical Labour response. You sit on the fence doing

:43:47.:43:51.

nothing. I'm not. Is he right or wrong? Should we have Juncker or

:43:52.:43:56.

not? I don't feel strongly whether we have him or not. You don't have

:43:57.:43:59.

any opinion on the subject. Labour has been criticising the process of

:44:00.:44:04.

how he has handled T we can all be Monday morning quarterbacks on that.

:44:05.:44:09.

European is a labyrinthite operation. We do know what Mr

:44:10.:44:14.

Cameron stands for on this, he doesn't want Juncker or a

:44:15.:44:16.

federalist. We don't know what Labour or the Liberal Democrats

:44:17.:44:19.

want. Well, the Liberal Democrats can speak for themselves, as can

:44:20.:44:24.

Labour. What we do have to do is work with everyone in Europe to

:44:25.:44:27.

achieve a candidate. You can't go out on a limb as calm reason seems

:44:28.:44:31.

to keep doing saying - I'm going to have this and that and I'm in the

:44:32.:44:36.

going to work with the rest. Don't you think it would be popular given

:44:37.:44:40.

what this man stands for and given the mood of the British people for

:44:41.:44:44.

Mr Cameron to say - I may not have won because I don't have the votes

:44:45.:44:48.

but I fought against this guy. It may work out in practice, we will

:44:49.:44:52.

have to wait and see. This brings home actual lit disastrous position

:44:53.:44:55.

which Miliband is in. He is not really on -- actually the

:44:56.:44:59.

disastrous. Mr Miliband. On this programme, you are quite right.

:45:00.:45:02.

Cameron is going out there and fighting a very honourable battle

:45:03.:45:06.

for reform inside Europe. We can see he is on the right side. He

:45:07.:45:10.

expresses himself. And these sort of halfwhich thes in Brussels. It is

:45:11.:45:17.

not only the half wits, in Brussels. Idiots I might say. Who are

:45:18.:45:20.

apparently saying one thing to David Cameron and another thing publicly.

:45:21.:45:23.

It is not just the people in Brussels who want Juncker, it is

:45:24.:45:27.

lots of other European leaders, you can't Diss them as well. Why do so

:45:28.:45:32.

many people in Luxembourg get the top jobs? Is there something in the

:45:33.:45:45.

coffee? If The one side for a camera and this is that people will be

:45:46.:45:49.

falling over themselves out of this certainly the offside for the

:45:50.:45:50.

camera. Angela Merkel made this clear

:45:51.:46:03.

yesterday. Britain has to take this on the chin. But they will do a deal

:46:04.:46:10.

later on. What will be said is that if Mr Cameron could not get his way

:46:11.:46:15.

over Mr Juncker, how will he get his way over the repatriations of major

:46:16.:46:23.

powers from Brussels back to the UK? That is a fair charge. That was

:46:24.:46:27.

always the risk of thinking is a fair charge. That was always the

:46:28.:46:34.

risk of taking a strategy That is a commission job. That is relevant to

:46:35.:46:39.

the repatriations. That is just frustrating in Brussels. If he

:46:40.:46:44.

cannot get his way on this, how does he get away -- his way on the more

:46:45.:46:52.

complicated matter of convincing Europeans that he should be able to

:46:53.:46:57.

repatriate all of these powers? We have to wait and see. The European

:46:58.:47:00.

Commission is not the only entity that can make or break David

:47:01.:47:07.

Cameron's renationalisation agenda. The commission is important. But a

:47:08.:47:14.

lot of things will be decided among national governments. What do you

:47:15.:47:18.

make of Peter Cockburn who says that getting Mr Juncker in would be great

:47:19.:47:24.

for Euroscepticism to matter as Mac? I agree. The problem with this is

:47:25.:47:30.

that if the UK does stay in a reformed European Union, we do not

:47:31.:47:34.

want to set the president -- precedent whereby the Parliament

:47:35.:47:40.

selects the president. I thought we thought there was a democratic

:47:41.:47:43.

deficit and we want to do something about it? We do. But I don't think

:47:44.:47:48.

anybody thinks that younger is going to be elected on a wave of

:47:49.:47:51.

democratic sentiment across the union. Thank you.

:47:52.:47:59.

Now, while the England flag is being flown from pub windows, on car roofs

:48:00.:48:02.

and even in Downing Street, another, lesser know flag has this week been

:48:03.:48:05.

On Monday a brand new flag for Sussex was flown by Eric Pickles

:48:06.:48:10.

on his department's office block, in celebration of Sussex Day.

:48:11.:48:15.

It's a relatively new invention, and it got the team here at

:48:16.:48:17.

Daily Politics wondering whether other counties in England

:48:18.:48:19.

Every county has its own character but when it comes to choosing a

:48:20.:48:32.

county flag there seems to be some common themes. Put something local

:48:33.:48:38.

on it. Nottinghamshire nodded towards its most famous local outlaw

:48:39.:48:44.

when it first adopted bears. Two, there is always immense local pride.

:48:45.:48:50.

Listen to the good folk of Worcestershire as the three pairs

:48:51.:48:53.

graced the flagpole for the first time. It is great. It represents the

:48:54.:49:02.

county. It is good. Very impressed, yes. And third, they are usually

:49:03.:49:07.

chosen through some sort of competition, for example, how would

:49:08.:49:12.

the people of Northamptonshire choose between these four beauties?

:49:13.:49:15.

But as we found in Derbyshire a few years ago, you cannot please all of

:49:16.:49:21.

the people all of the time. Out of these three it was my least

:49:22.:49:26.

favourite but not to worry. It goes to show that across our green and

:49:27.:49:29.

pleasant land, county pride is flourishing. Not flagging.

:49:30.:49:40.

Joining us now in the studio is Graham Bartram who

:49:41.:49:43.

is the Flag Institute's chief vexillologist - that's an expert

:49:44.:49:45.

And in our Brighton studios is Peter White, a Sussex town crier who

:49:46.:49:50.

Let me come to, FIFA 5-to celebrate so six-day? With the raising of the

:49:51.:50:06.

flight. They help to raise days running. That's my with the raising

:50:07.:50:10.

of the flag. Other than raising the flag, what

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else did you do? There is a charter. Sometimes people read the Sussex

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Charter. There is a Sussex Charter that can be read. Sometimes the

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person reading it decides to customising a little so that it

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applies to the town in which it is being read as well as the wonderful

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counties of east and West Sussex. Does not sound like a lot of laughs.

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Did you have a party? There was a party in one place and people

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celebrated with a cup of tea in another. What do you make of the

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Sussex flag to I am a traditionalist and I still prefer the old red and

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gold. That is just me. The new flag has got its plans. It has also hurt

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his detractors. People are not quite sure where it came from. It has now

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been approved. Those people who are a little worried about Europe also

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point out that it is blue and gold like the European flag. When the

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town council finds money for the new one, they will probably switch. I

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understand you prefer to flag is six? You could risk setting county

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against county. They have had their own flag since the 1880s. Very

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interesting. Graham Bartram, it is not just Sussex. A lot of English

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counties are no choosing their own flag. Why is that? It is all to do

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with having an identity. Global identity becoming more important as

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a counterpoint to globalisation. As we all become more of the same, it

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is more important to be identified as different. To connect more with

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our local roots. Has the -- has it got anything to do with the

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increasing, the most entire uses often now, where they used the

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Scottish sole tyre? They are linked but not caused by. They are caused

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by the same thing. It is a desire to have a strong identity. It is much

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easier to have a strong identity of something closer to you than it is

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to have something more amorphous, such as Europe or the world. Peter,

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for a long time in post-war Britain, we seem to be determined to

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snuff out English county identity, local government reforms got rid of

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all names etc. Do you think the sense of belonging to a county is

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coming back to people? There was this illusion in the 1960s and 1970s

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when Middlesex disappeared and half of Surrey disappear. There has been

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a swing public mood. People are becoming more enthusiastic. Cornwall

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and Yorkshire have always been like that. Other counties are catching

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up. Graham, who decides what the flag should the parties county? It

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varies. Sometimes the County Council decided to give the flag to the

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people. Northumberland is like that. Hertfordshire is like that.

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Sometimes it is very old historical flag. The gold markets on blue is

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actually the flag of Sussex from 1622. It feels like a long way. It

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has got nothing to do with European partners. That's my theory goes back

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a long way. Lots of them behind us. That is a dragon. That is Somerset.

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That is quite a new one. That is a dragon! They have ripped it off. The

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red rose of Lancashire and the white rose of Yorkshire are traditional

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emblems. We can show your Dorset flag, Peter. There is. What you

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think that is there still a bit of pride in new? Is the heart beating?

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I think this is tremendous. We could on to Edward Heath's does that --

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disastrous local government regulations. That was local

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government organisation. The counties still existed. Middlesex

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still exists. My relatives were born in Lancashire suddenly became

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Cheshire. I have never got over that. If you were to say your

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identity has to be based on collect your litter bins, how many people in

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Somerset police their identity is far North East Somerset? I don't

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think many people would be. And so far four Somerset. I live in

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Knightsbridge and we have a flag. It is the Russian Federation! Gave us a

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ring of your belt. If you are absolutely happy with that and your

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sound engineers are. God Save The Queen! Thank you very much for that.

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Who's had a good week, and who's had a shocker?

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Here's Adam, with the political week - in just 60 seconds.

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Heathrow to give his party leg above the four election results. This will

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be independent liberal professor from an independent Liberal party.

:56:18.:56:21.

They have all got a constitution as an independent Scotland would have

:56:22.:56:24.

won, too. That's according to Nicola Sturgeon. Three years after it was

:56:25.:56:32.

wrecked by a frying mob, the British embassy in Iran is to reopen. Who

:56:33.:56:38.

fancies being our man in Teheran? Ed Miliband set out some fairly thickly

:56:39.:56:43.

changes to the benefits system and with impeccable timing the dark Lord

:56:44.:56:47.

returned with some helpful advice. It may work. It may well be

:56:48.:56:54.

successful. Presumably the Chinese prime minister got through passport

:56:55.:56:58.

control of it but we unveiled a new Visa regime for tourists from his

:56:59.:57:02.

country. He shall find deals for nuclear power and high-speed rail.

:57:03.:57:04.

That he shall find deals. A fourth and fifth in there were

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little and any demonstrations. Human Rights Watch kicked into the long

:57:19.:57:25.

grass. It is changed days. It really is. I was talking to a couple of

:57:26.:57:29.

human rights lawyers and as if ever I've read. They think the way to get

:57:30.:57:32.

human rights improve his bike trade. We are in different ways. The

:57:33.:57:38.

jurisprudence of all of these contracts in London. They get the

:57:39.:57:43.

big fees? Your life that is a regrettable but necessary fact. I am

:57:44.:57:51.

sorry you missed the whole. That was the big story of the week. What do

:57:52.:57:56.

you do with a problem like Ed Miliband? We have this quiz. We have

:57:57.:58:15.

got to give the answer. With richer -- British press Vladimir Putin try

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to stop? That which British pressure group is Vladimir Putin meant to

:58:24.:58:26.

stop? It was the anti-fracking lobby. Why? Because fracking

:58:27.:58:34.

represents a serious threat to Mr Putin's gas prices, of which 70% of

:58:35.:58:35.

its revenues depend. Thanks to Jackie Ashley,

:58:36.:58:38.

Peter Oborne and all my guests. I'll be back on BBC One on Sunday

:58:39.:58:42.

with the Sunday Politics, when I'll be talking to

:58:43.:58:45.

Labour's Rachel Reeves.

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