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It's the final PMQs of 2015, so all eyes on the House

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With both David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn wanting

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to give their troops something to cheer about before the Christmas

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break, no doubt David Cameron will bring up another drop

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in unemployment, down over 100,000 this morning.

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The PM's then off to Brussels, where he'll be attending a dinner

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Britain's membership of the European Union.

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We'll be asking if Prince Charles should be given access

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to confidential documents so that he's properly briefed.

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And there's another reason to stay tuned because we'll be giving away

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a special edition festive Daily Politics mug.

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Yes, the season of goodwill is upon us.

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We've even dusted off the Daily Politics Christmas tree

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to add a bit of festive cheer to proceedings.

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With us for the duration, we've bagged two of Santa's little elves.

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In charge of children this Christmas - that's a tough job -

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And in charge of Santa's grotto, the Shadow Housing Minister,

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MPs will decide today whether fracking should be allowed

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under National Parks and other protected sites.

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Campaigners have accused the Government of a U-turn after it

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promised an outright ban on fracking in environmentally sensitive areas.

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Earlier, I talked to the Liberal Democrat leader,

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I asked him since the regulations governing fracking won't see it

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happening in the National Parks, what's the problem? The point is it

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will start close to National Parks. The fact it is happening underneath

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them would be a huge reputational risk when it comes to the marketing

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and promotion of Britain's most significant National Parks. I'm

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bound to have an interest in this given that two of them are in my

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patch, but across the country it will be problematic. I have to say

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it also comes on the back of a couple of weeks ago, the Government

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ending the carbon capture and storage programme. That is the

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programme which made to some people at least shale gas tolerable. The

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reality is that shale gas without carbon capture and storage is not a

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long-term runner, either environmentally or in a business

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sense. What we are seeing today is the kind of landscape issue, issue

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that will be damaging to the visual landscape, and indeed to our

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National Parks' integrity. The government proposal would not

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destroy or spoil the aesthetics of the landscape in the way you've

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described. National Parks. Begin at a wall, generally speaking they

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evolve. You drive up the M6and up to my constituency and it is not urban

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sprawl and suddenly appears Windermere. It is beautiful

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mountains, hills and lakes and beautiful landscape. And then the

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National Park begins. And it gets even more beautiful, dare I say.

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Doing this a kilometre outside a National Park is pretty outrageous.

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We're not just talking about National Parks, areas of outstanding

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beauty, allsorts of sites that are culturally all visually, or in terms

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of biodiversity significant. This is damaging to our natural environment.

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It also comes on the back of the government undermining the business

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and environmental case for shale gas and I will vote against it. I take

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the point about carbon capture, but are you not persuaded by the

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chairman of the task force on shale gas Chris Smith who said it could

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cut reliance on coal and reduce emissions. He also said since the

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ending of the carbon capture and storage scheme that that is not the

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case now and we are in a situation where shale gas's attractiveness

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from an energy point of view and indeed from an environmental point

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of view has been completely dismantled by George Osborne's

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removal of the funding for carbon capture and storage. It is very

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clear that it was thought that shale gas was potentially a less damaging

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fossil fuel than some of the ones we are using. Without cc yes it's in

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the same place and it's not a long-term bet. Any business person

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thinking to make a long-term investment in shale gas would not

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sensibly do that now. -- CCS. Amber Rudd told the House of Commons

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there would be an outright ban on fracking in National Parks, sites of

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special interest and areas of outstanding natural beauty. What has

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happened? Strategically we are in the same place. We believe that

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shale gas is a bridge to a low carbon future. It's going to make

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sure we have more secure imagery and be great for the economy. -- secure

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energy. What has happened to the outright ban? There will be no

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fracking under National Parks as a result of the regulars and is we are

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voting on in Parliament today. They will be close to National Parks. --

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regulations. We're making it very clear, rather than scaremongering

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Tim Farron is trying to engineer. There will be no fracking under

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National Parks. Strategically we are in the same place and this is good

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news in terms of having a secure energy future. Has this ban been

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overturned? Has this been a U-turn? Tim Farron has had a lapse of

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memory, it was Amber Rudd who wanted to do what the Government is now

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doing. They were only stopped by Letta, making sure legislation was

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changed to put the proper safeguards for the environment in. Personally

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I'm not against fracking in principle -- Labour's. As long as

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you have Ian Brown mental safeguards. There should be no

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fracking in or under National Parks. We debated that in January and it

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should not be changed. So in that sense this is an about turn Aggers

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there will be fracking near National Parks, and the way Tim Farron has

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described it, you are going to see evidence of drilling when driving

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towards areas of outstanding natural beauty. I have a constituency that

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has areas of outstanding natural beauty. We will have in this country

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the best environmental safeguards around fracking and the extraction

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of CO2 gas. That should give comfort there will be no fracking under

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National Parks. We will take the best safeguards to make sure the

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environment is protected. You have axed funding for carbon capture and

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storage technology which was seen as crucial for building a shale gas

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industry that would be acceptable. You are clueless and confused on

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energy policy. You have not got carbon capture and storage policy

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under way and kicking the legs from underneath the solar industry.

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Clueless and confused? The Labour Party wants it both ways, on the one

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hand they say they support the bridge to the low carbon future, but

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on the other hand they are trying to vote against this, which is about an

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outright ban. This is carbon energy, you want to give the green light the

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full go-ahead to fracking in the week that the last coal mine in

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Britain closes on Friday. Are you in favour of fracking? I said earlier

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on I'm happy to see fracking some honest there is sufficient... You

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have not put the proper safeguards in place. What safeguards do you

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want? You have not put in place yet the sort of rewards that have to

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come to the areas that have to put up with fracking in the future.

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Let's deal with carbon capture. Why would you axed the funding for

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carbon capture and storage technology if you want to go ahead

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with fracking and creating a shale industry? The most important thing,

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as I said, is we have the best environmental regulations that we

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can have. That is where we will end up. Strategically we are in the

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right place as we should be. I have not heard from the opposition

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parties anything other than the usual scaremongering over how to go

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ahead with building this energy security future. There is a panic by

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the government, faced by the National Grid last month telling

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industry users to scale back what they are using because they are

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worried about the lights going out, not having enough power in the

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country because you haven't got a clear enough plan or the investment

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to get the new energy generation online. That's the real problem.

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In just a few minutes, it'll be the final PMQs of 2015.

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Doesn't time fly when you're having fun.

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And don't panic if you don't feel up to political speed -

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maybe you've been aboard the Space Station for the last 12

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months and have only just landed back on Planet Earth.

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As a special treat, our JoCo here has the Daily Politics review

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I liked that introduction. It's the most sought-after stocking filler of

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the season, The Daily Politics review of 2015.

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Remember January - David Cameron and Nick Clegg

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were still running the country together but revving up

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The polls pointed towards a hung parliament -

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It was the Conservatives who emerged with the overall

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The Lib Dems were reduced to a rump of just eight MPs.

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Nicola Sturgeon's tartan army conquered Scotland.

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Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage all resigned,

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although the Ukip leader later un-resigned.

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And the surprises kept coming after the election,

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as backbench outsider Jeremy Corbyn swept to victory

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And since then, the Government has made some big decisions.

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They decided to cut tax credits, only to be pushed into a U-turn

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They decided not to make a decision on expanding Heathrow Airport.

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And it's been a year of Euro headaches for David Cameron,

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as he's struggled to renegotiate Britain's relationship with the EU.

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He's off to Brussels tomorrow for the final European Council

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Let's talk about Europe since there is a big summit meeting coming up

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tomorrow. Sam Gyimah, clarify what is the status of the Government

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demand that there should be a four year curb on in work benefits for

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migrants, where are we with that? It is still very much a demand, still

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very much on the table for negotiation. The Prime Minister is

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at a meeting tomorrow in Brussels to talk about this but that's not going

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to be the final showdown as it were. There is another in February. I know

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that. It is contrary to rumours and very much on the agenda as the Prime

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Minister said in his letter to Donald Tusk only in November that

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using this as a way to curb migration is very much a key part of

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the renegotiation plan. And if looks likely you don't get that, as Poland

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has said it won't go along with it, as have others, but Poland in

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particular, what will you do? Let's be clear what we are asking for. We

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are asking 4-for years before migrants are entitled to benefits.

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We think that is ambitious but realistic. If you don't get that

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what would you do? I'm quite confident that in the spirit of

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negotiations Poland has said no. If Poland says no that's the end of it.

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We have not finished negotiating. If Poland says no, as have others, you

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don't get it. Do you say, that is a deal-breaker? Or do you fall back to

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something else? As has been said this morning there is going to be

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known to the meetings tomorrow. This will be raised, this is the only

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thing on the menu. I'm confident the Prime Minister will be able to

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deliver an outcome. If he doesn't what is the fallback? The big thing

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for all of us, MPs and the public, at the end of this there will be an

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in-out referendum and we can make up our minds. I understand that, you

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are playing for time. Back to the question, if you don't get the four

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year curb what is the fallback position? What would be acceptable?

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We have stated it is something we are going to be negotiating for very

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hard. You don't have a fallback position? The Prime Minister will

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negotiate, I'm not going to second-guess the Prime Minister in

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an a TV studio. Prime Minister said he was fixable on the issue. If

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someone comes up with another way of achieving it, obviously we would

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look at it. Curbing migration by looking at a pull factors is very

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much a part of our renegotiation plan. And one alternative that has

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been raised is what has been called an emergency brake, that there will

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be times when governments, because of the substantial influx of

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immigration, you could say, hold on there are too many coming in to cope

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with at the moment from elsewhere in the EU and we will put an emergency

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brake on it for a time-limited period. Would you accept that if

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that brake could only be committed with Brussels's approval that would

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not be acceptable -- only be permitted. I've stated what our

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objective is, if someone can come up with another way of achieving it we

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should look at it. I'm looking at one, emergency brake has been a

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possible fallback position, it has been mooted in Brussels and talked

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about. If a British government could only put the brake on with the

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approval of Brussels, would that be acceptable? I don't want to answer

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hypothetical questions, you can come up with four, five, six hypothetical

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questions about what if, what if, but what is clear is we have stated

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our position and the Prime Minister is still in negotiations and we

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should allow him to finish. What economic evidence and research

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evidence can you produce that shows that even if you got the four year

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curb on migrant benefits that it would have more than a marginal

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impact on immigration? I don't think it is just a question of economic

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benefit, it's a question of what the British people want. I was saying

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what economic research evidence is there that even if you got what

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you're for it would have any noticeable impact on EU migration to

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this country? What I think about as an MP is to reflect what my

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constituents want. I'm not asking about your constituents. That's

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fine, that is important to you but I'm looking at the substance of the

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issue, regardless of what anybody wants. Is there any published

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evidence that shows that this would have a material impact on numbers

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coming to this country? The point is as a point of principle saying that

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people should contribute before they can access... Let's say you are

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right on the principle, can access... Let's say you are

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evidence it would have the impact you think it would have? I think it

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is something we should be looking to do if the British public want that.

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This is not about arguing the toss between economists, this is about

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going into a negotiation and reflecting what the British people

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want, in terms of a reformed European Union. So you have put out

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the centre piece of jewellery negotiation strategy and issue on

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which you cannot cite a single piece of research, which shows it would

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have an impact? We have put out a centrepiece of our negotiation

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strategy what the British people want, action on immigration, an end

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to an ever closer union... But you cannot cite to me what impact it

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would have because there has been worked on it at. I am sure there

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will be one piece of evidence the other would-be -- the other way. You

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don't know whether it has an impact or not? Is there any negotiation in

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history where you have made a major demand and you have no idea what the

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impact, even if you got your way, would be? You know that it is one of

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four demands, firstly a stop to an ever closer union, I think that is a

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big demand, making sure that not being part of the Euro we are not

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penalised, that is a big demand, competitiveness is a big demand and

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ultimately the referendum will be about our future prosperity in 50 to

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100 years' time, so it is not the only plan. Brussels is launching

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this idea of a paramilitary border force, which could going to

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countries and man the border is whether the southern state once it

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or not, are you in favour of that? I have no idea of whether it will work

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or not. It is a new idea, think it is a measure of how desperate they

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are to try and do something to do with the huge flows. The real action

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that is required is to try and stop some of these flows of migrants at

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source. That is a long-term plan. I come back to this issue, there will

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be a 2500 border force, a German idea, it will be equipped with

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helicopters, they will be armed, they will have droned, coastal boats

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and they could go in for example to Greece where a lot are coming,

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whether the Greek government asks for it or not. Are you in favour of

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it? They have been talking about doing this and Britain has tried to

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be a part of it to stop smugglers from northern Africa, it seems to me

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a sound idea. It is a sound idea. In the end, it won't work unless we

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deal with some of the root problems of why a lot of the refugees... I

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understand, nutrient you come up with how to do that now, it would

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take a long way to see. Nobody can wave a magic wand over the troubles

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in the Middle East. Should Britain be part of this border force? I

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don't we have an obligation to be part of it. I know, but should we?

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Since you are asking me, we are debating this the first time, we

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have no obligation, we are not part of the Schengen agreement. If we

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want to make a contribution as good members of the European Union, the

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government should consider that. Should we? Identity we should be.

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Our main alliance in terms of border security is with Nato and I think it

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should remain so. The Prime Minister has said we will take part in it. I

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think in terms of where we are, we are out of Schengen, and if Schengen

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countries want to operate in a certain way to send a border force

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to Greece, that is up to them. In terms of our security and Borders

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sits with Nato, in terms of our security we have more control over

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our borders. Andrew, forgive me, in a way this is all detail. The

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serious thing is we who we are a mess over the negotiations. At the

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moment the lead ship of the argument for Britain's place in Europe is

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going by default. It should be led by David Cameron and he is not doing

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it. Now should the heir to the throne be

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given access to confidential documents so that he's

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properly briefed? Well, a Freedom of Information

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request from the campaign group Republic has found out that that's

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exactly what is happening. And they're not best

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pleased about it. They've even dubbed Prince Charles

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"essentially a minister Let's talk now to their chief

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executive Graham Smith. Caucus to your campaign to get the

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information released. It is a fairly routine Freedom of information

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request -- talk us through your campaign. While Cabinet members

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tried to resist disclosure of what is called the precedent but,

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essentially the manual for the Cabinet on how they manage the

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Cabinet and deal with Cabinet papers, and buried in that document,

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and they have only released first four chapters so far, buried in that

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is this revelation that as is routine, all papers are sent to

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Prince Charles. Is it a great revelation? The Queen gets this

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information as head of state, he is the heir to the throne, so will

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people be that surprised, will they care? I think there are a number of

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problems, because firstly Charles is not the head of state, even the

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monarchy's own website says he has no constitutional position as such.

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He is covered by very privileged secrecy laws, completely exempt from

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Freedom of information commie has unique access not only the ministers

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but also to all of their Cabinet papers, and we know that he wants to

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lobby ministers to change public policy on a range of different

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issues. You say you know that, hang on, give me some examples of where

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policy has changed, if you know it, as a result of his interference? One

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other very quick point and then I will come onto those examples. We

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also believe there is reason to believe that he also influences laws

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to affect his own interests as Duke of Cornwall. A lot of the course,

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there are still a lot of publicity around the monarchy. According to

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the Guardian, we know that he is lobbying ministers, we know from

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former ministers that have spoken to the BBC last year that he is seeking

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to change public policy. Very difficult to pinpoint specific

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policies that are under change because it is all under wraps. As

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you said, you made a claim that he has influenced policies that

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directly affect him and the sovereign, but a statement from

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Buckingham Palace on the matter, he has not affected any. If you believe

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that statement, they have not turned down anything come in terms of Bill

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or legislation. Bedene two because what happens is the Duke of

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Cornwall, Prince Charles, is able to directly influence the legislation

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process at the very early stages of those discussions, and that is why

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there is a long list of laws that specifically exempt or privilege the

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Duchy of Cornwall on whether it is land ownership, planning,

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environmental protection, a whole host of laws that give them specific

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privileges for which there is no legitimate reason. So clearly there

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are some influence going on behind closed doors.

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Thank you berry much. Your reaction, is it regrettable that this has been

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made public? I think it is much do about nothing, it is long

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established practice that the Queen as head of state... Yes, the Queen.

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And in this case the heir to the throne does do, and I think that is

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a long established practice and I don't see the problem. Are you

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pleased it has been made public? It is good it has been made public,

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personally I can see little justification for this but little

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harm in it as well. Should Prince Charles have access? I can see

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little harm in it, the question comes when he actively uses his

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access to influence particular policies, and this is why Freedom of

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Information Act and provision is so important, and I would be against

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watering them down as your government now wants to do.

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It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -

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Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

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And that's not all - Laura Kuenssberg is here.

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Let's talk about the European summit coming up tomorrow night, the big

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dinner. What do you know? You know what has been really interesting to

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me in the last 24 hours, obviously we have been trying to talk to

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people close to what is going on, there is a sense to me that there is

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almost a set of nerves that the domestic political situation, David

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Cameron has put himself on this book over this benefit promise, but the

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rest of the negotiations, there has been progress. They are not done,

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signed off or sealed. The Europe Minister David Liddington said the

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technical talks are complete, but it is my understanding that is a

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technical interpretation of where things are out. Yes, there is sound

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and fury around the benefits issue because the public rightly cares

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about it. One of the tangible issues as well. Indeed, and it was in the

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Conservative manifesto. For Eurosceptics it is an ideal stick to

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knock David Cameron around the head with, but there is from, sessions I

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have had with people, a bit of concern that most people would say

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countries within the Euro and outside the Euro, big fundamental

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economic questions about how that works for the next ten, 20, 30, 50

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years, and that is not quite getting the political bandwidth that maybe

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it deserves. There has been progress there but it is not done. But it

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also cannot be fully answered, because we know that the German

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Chancellor and the French president want to move to a more integrated

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Eurozone, but they are not going to do so before either of their

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elections in 2017. Until we see the nature of the Eurozone it is hard to

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find the relationship between the Eurozone and the rest of us.

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Absolutely, this is all like juggling water. There are so many

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machinations, and not only just the number of countries involved, not

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only the number of issues involved, not only the fact that EU regulation

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and law as it exists is already showing competitive but there is a

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juju amount of crystal ball gazing. The number of potential machinations

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are strawberry. Also of course in a negotiation process we might find

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that one bit in one of the hideously named baskets gets exchanged for

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another bit that is in one of the other hideously named baskets.

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Basket swap! Maybe that is the new thing the 2016. We heard political

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cross trussing, maybe baskets swapping will be the next thing. The

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complexities of this are enormous. How far they get in benefits is not

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the best representation of where this debate is and it is very fluid.

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But the political focus, that is right there, and there is a huge

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guessing game going on as to where we will get in all of that. Have you

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had any guidance as to what the Prime Minister hopes to achieve at

:30:29.:30:32.

this dinner? The big thing for Downing Street it is it is political

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momentum. Officials have been working very hard trying to get some

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things on all of these issues and there has been some progress. The

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technical official bit has gone as far as you can go before the bosses

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say actually I will agree to that bit. You sort out the

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technicalities. Wren what David Cameron is trying to do the next 24

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to 36 hours is create a sense of political momentum that can unblock

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the difficult logjams on this. If you think each lido will have in

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front of them a sort of menu of options, as many as ten options I

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understand in each of the different four categories. So that is 40. That

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is a long night. That will give me something to say in the next couple

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of days, 40 different things, and they will sort of essentially agree,

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or start to agree a pick and mix. I see. So I could do that bit about I

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couldn't do that bit, but there are shreds of information coming out

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here and there, a good source in the European council yesterday suggested

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to me that a six-month benefit ban was a starting point. We will now go

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over to the final Prime Minister's Questions of 2015. Here is the Prime

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Minister. We all watched his exciting take-off

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yesterday and is the first Briton to visit the International Space

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Station it signals a landmark in this country's involvement in space

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exploration. I'm proud the government took the decision to fund

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it and we wish him the best of luck. This morning I had meetings with

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ministerial colleagues and others, and in addition to my duties in this

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House I will have further such meetings later today. Richard

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Graham. I welcome today's falling on a month the -- unemployment.

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Stalking is a horrible crime. AGP in Gloucester and resident in

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Cheltenham was harassed for several years by a stalker who slashed her

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tyres, hacked her water pipe, cut off her gas and put via items in her

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letterbox. She and her family suffered. The judge said if he could

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give more than the maximum five years he would have done. My

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honourable friend for Cheltenham has raised sentencing guidelines with

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the Justice Secretary. Would my Right Honourable friend the Prime

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Minister today give his support for greater flex ability where it is

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clear a stalker is a real menace? -- flexible itty. I agree with my

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honourable friend that stalking is a terrible crime. We have introduced

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to Muqrin you stalking offences during this parliament and I will

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make sure the honourable member for Cheltenham has his meeting with my

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Right Honourable friend the Justice Secretary. I cannot comment on the

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case without looking at it in more detail but we are taking the

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necessary action and will continue to do so. On unemployment I'm sure

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the whole house will want to welcome the fact there are half a million

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more people in work in our country in the last year alone. We have had

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wages growing above inflation every month for a year. The claimant count

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is at the lowest level since 1975. I'm sure this will be welcomed right

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across the House. SPEAKER: Jeremy Corbyn.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Could I start by wishing you, and all Members of

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the House and all of the staff here and major Tim Peake, who is not on

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the planet at this time... LAUGHTER

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A very happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, the number of days that

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patients are being kept in hospital because there is nowhere safe to

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discharge them to has doubled since the Prime Minister took office. On

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the 4th of November I asked him if he could guarantee there would be no

:34:57.:35:00.

winter crisis in the NHS this winter. He didn't answer then, I

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wonder if he would help us with an answer today.

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First of all let me join the Right Honourable gentleman and be clear I

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don't want to wish him the season's greetings, I want a full happy

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Christmas for the Right Honourable gentleman and everyone in the House.

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He asked specifically about the NHS and let me answer specifically about

:35:20.:35:24.

the NHS. The average stay in hospital has fallen since I became

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Prime Minister from five and a half days, to five days. One of the

:35:30.:35:33.

reasons for that is we kept our promise is on the NHS, we put an

:35:34.:35:37.

extra 12 billion in in the last Parliament and we will be putting

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?19 billion in cash terms in the NHS in this Parliament. Jeremy Corbyn.

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Just for the record, Mr Speaker, I did say happy Christmas. But maybe

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the Prime Minister wasn't listening at the time. As always! If he is so

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happy about the state of the national health service, could he

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explain why he's decided to cancel the publication of NHS performance

:36:04.:36:09.

data this winter? There was a time when the primers to was all in

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favour of transparency. It's not that long ago. In fact, it was 2011

:36:15.:36:21.

when he said," Information is power, it lets people hold the powerful to

:36:22.:36:25.

account, giving them the tools they need to take on politicians and

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bureaucrats. Is it because the number of people who have been kept

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waiting on trolleys in accident and emergency has gone up fourfold that

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he doesn't want to publish these statistics?

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First of all, the data he quoted in his first question was not published

:36:43.:36:46.

before this government came to office. That's right! And let me

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quote him some data about the NHS: let me take an average day today

:36:51.:36:55.

compared with five years ago when I became Prime Minister. On an average

:36:56.:37:00.

day in the NHS today there 4400 more operations. There are 21,000 more

:37:01.:37:07.

outpatient appointments. Yes, there are challenges in a any but there

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are 2100 more people seen within four hours today than five years ago

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-- challenges in A There is more data published in our NHS and there

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ever was under Labour. Mr Speaker, there are huge pressures

:37:25.:37:29.

on the NHS and they are largely due to the pressures on the adult care

:37:30.:37:33.

system which is under enormous pressure at the moment but there has

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been huge cuts in adult social care because of cuts in local government

:37:39.:37:42.

funding. The NHS Chief Executive Simon Stevens has called for a

:37:43.:37:44.

radical upgrade in prevention of public health. With the Prime

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Minister agree with me that cutting these crucial services is indeed a

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false economy? First of all, we are increasing the

:37:52.:37:57.

money that is able to go into social care by having the 2% precept on the

:37:58.:38:01.

council tax so that local councils can spend more. But I notice that

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the Right Honourable gentleman mentioned Simon Stevens, our NHS

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plan is Simon Stevens's plan, the NHS for the first time got together

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and wrote their plan. They asked us for ?1 billion, we are committed to

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the plan, unlike Labour in the last election and we funded it upfront

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and that is why we see a bigger and better NHS -- ?8 billion. None of

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this would be possible, including the action on social care we are

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taking with the Better Care Fund, none of it would be possible without

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the growing economy we have and the more jobs being created.

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Mr Speaker, the problem is to do with adult social care for stop this

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morning the NHS Confederation said on BBC Radio 4, and I quote, "Cuts

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to social care and public health will continue to pile more pressure

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on hospital and will worsen deficits in the acute sector." What was

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announced on social care in the Autumn Statement falls well short of

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what was needed. The health foundation estimates a funding

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shortfall of 6 billion will be in place by 2020. How is the Government

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planning to me that shortfall? I'm glad the Right Honourable

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gentleman listens to the Today problem, he might bother to go on it

:39:26.:39:32.

one day. A bit of cans bouncy would be welcome. If he wants to swap

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quotations -- transparency. This is what the chairman of the Local

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Government Association says, the Local Government Association has

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long called for further put civility in the setting of council tax, and

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today's announcement will go some way to allowing a number of councils

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to raise the money needed. -- flexible at evil stop 1.5 billion

:39:52.:39:55.

more in the Better Care Fund announced today is good news. It is

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this government that funded the NHS, they didn't, it is this government

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that set up the Better Care Fund, they opposed it, this government at

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the strong and growing economy, and I note that question four and still

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but they welcome for the unemployment figures.

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Mr Speaker, the issue of adult social care and cuts in local

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government spending are very much the responsibility of central

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government. Can he confirmed that NHS trusts are forecasting a deficit

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of 2.2 billion this year, and indeed I understand that the Prime Minister

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as part of the Oxford anti-austerities movement will be

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concerned about this, but his own local health care trust is

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predicting a 1.7 million deficit. There is a problem of NHS funding.

:40:44.:40:49.

Has he forgotten the simple maxim that prevention is cheaper and

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better than cure? How can he possibly complain about

:40:53.:40:57.

NHS funding when his party didn't commit to fund the Stevens plan? We

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are spending ?19 billion more on the NHS, money that wouldn't be

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available if we'd listened to the Labour Party. He says that social

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care is a responsibility of government. Everything is a

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responsibility of government, but in fact it is local councils that

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decide how much to spend on social careful stop with the Better Care

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Fund they have more to spend. But I challenge him again, how do we pay

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for the NHS? We pay for it by more growth, more jobs and more people

:41:33.:41:37.

having a livelihood. Is he going to welcome back at Christmas time, or

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doesn't he care about the reduction in unemployment? SPEAKER: Jeremy

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Corbyn. Mr Speaker, I have a question from

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Abby. Abby wants to train to be a midwife and she says, I'm 28 years

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old, this year I left my successful career to go back into university to

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retrain as a midwife. I already have a debt of 25,000 from my first

:42:09.:42:13.

degree, well over half of my cohort have studied a first degree in

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another subject and many of my fellow colleagues have children and

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partners with elderly parents and mortgages. Many people were put off

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by the lack of financial support and massive debts. In the spirit of

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Christmas, will the Prime Minister have a word with his friend the

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Chancellor who is sitting next to him, it could be done very quickly,

:42:33.:42:36.

to reverse the cuts in the nurse bursary scheme so that we do get

:42:37.:42:41.

people like Abby training to be midwives which will help all of us

:42:42.:42:45.

in the future? First of all I want Abby to train as

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a midwife and I can guarantee the funding will be there for her

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training. There are thousands more midwives operating in the NHS today

:42:55.:42:57.

than when I became Prime Minister. He mentions the question of nurse

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bursary is. The truth is today two out of three people who want to

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become nurses can't do that because of the constraints on the system and

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our new system will mean many more doctors and many more nurses.

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Already we have got 10,000 more doctors in the NHS since I became

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Prime Minister and 4500 more nurses. At all of this is happening, Mr

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Speaker, because the economy is growing, because the deficit is

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falling, unemployment is coming down, you could fill up a tank of

:43:29.:43:31.

gas at less than ?1 a litre, wages are going up, Britain is getting

:43:32.:43:36.

stronger as we go into Christmas because our economy is getting

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stronger too. Anne-Marie Drozdz thank you, Mr Speaker. Yesterday

:43:40.:43:50.

colleagues from across the House formed the Armed Forces covenant

:43:51.:43:54.

scrutinising the support of the government's fulfilment of support

:43:55.:44:00.

to servicemen and their families. With the primaries to join me in

:44:01.:44:04.

praising the bravery of With the primaries to join me in

:44:05.:44:07.

Forces especially in my constituency at this festive time when many are

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separated from their loved ones. And can he reaffirmed his personal

:44:12.:44:15.

commitment to the House for delivering his Armed Forces Covenant

:44:16.:44:18.

in practice and in full? I thank my honourable friend for her question.

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It is right, as all of us get ready to spend time with our families this

:44:23.:44:27.

Christmas there will be many in the brave armed services who will not be

:44:28.:44:30.

able to because they are serving abroad or at home. We should wish

:44:31.:44:33.

them the very best as Christmas comes. In terms of the military

:44:34.:44:37.

covenant it is one of the things I'm proudest of that we did in the last

:44:38.:44:41.

five years, putting that into law, and every year adding to the

:44:42.:44:45.

military covenant, giving veterans priority in health care, increasing

:44:46.:44:49.

funding for veterans' mental health service, prioritise and school

:44:50.:44:53.

places for children. Every year we've made progress on the Armed

:44:54.:44:56.

Forces Covenant and every year I stand at this dispatch box and will

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continue to do so. Angus Robertson. The Prime Minister will meet shortly

:44:59.:45:08.

with heads of state and governments of the European Union. Will he heed

:45:09.:45:15.

the advice of John Major and stop flirting with leaving the European

:45:16.:45:20.

Union, which would be in his words very dangerous and against our

:45:21.:45:25.

national interest? I will be getting the best deal for Britain. That is

:45:26.:45:29.

what we should be doing. This government was the first to cut the

:45:30.:45:34.

EU budget and veto a treaty and bring back substantial powers to

:45:35.:45:38.

Britain. We have a great record on Europe and will get a good deal for

:45:39.:45:44.

Britain. We were reminded that there is a very strong majority in

:45:45.:45:50.

Scotland to remain within the EU. The Prime Minister has failed, I

:45:51.:45:55.

know his side doesn't like to hear it, but he has failed to give any

:45:56.:45:59.

guarantees that Scotland won't be forced out of the EU by the rest of

:46:00.:46:06.

the UK. Does he have any idea of the consequences of taking Scotland out

:46:07.:46:10.

of the EU against the wishes of voters in Scotland? This is a United

:46:11.:46:18.

Kingdom and this is a UK issue. I would say to him, why is he so

:46:19.:46:23.

frightened of listening to the people and holding this historic

:46:24.:46:27.

referendum, passed through both of these houses in the last week. Get a

:46:28.:46:32.

good deal for Britain and trust the people. The Prime Minister has

:46:33.:46:42.

visited RAF Waddington in my constituency and would wish all the

:46:43.:46:46.

service personnel and their family well as they carry out operations

:46:47.:46:51.

throughout the Christmas period. Given we are now conducting air

:46:52.:46:55.

strikes over Syria, why is our country now not at the highest level

:46:56.:47:03.

of threat? Let me join him in praising those at RAF Waddington who

:47:04.:47:08.

are doing such a vital work. As he will know, the threat level is set

:47:09.:47:12.

in this country not by politicians but by the joint terrorism

:47:13.:47:20.

assessment centre. They set it at severe, the second-highest level. I

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confirm what I said on 26 November, the UK is in the top level of

:47:27.:47:29.

countries threatened by Daisy Makro. The highest level is that we believe

:47:30.:47:48.

an attack is imminent. But that would be for JATAC to set and not

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ministers. Last night, Donald Trump reiterated that one of the

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communities would not be allowed into America because of religion,

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seemingly unaware of how divisive this is. We have legislation that

:48:15.:48:24.

stops people entering the country if it is not believed to be in the

:48:25.:48:30.

public good. Should we be making exceptions for billionaire

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politicians? Let me join the honourable lady in being proud of

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representing a country which I think has some claim to say we are one of

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the most successful multiracial, multi-faith, multiethnic countries

:48:46.:48:50.

anywhere in the world. There is more to do to bring opportunity and fight

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discrimination. I think it is right that we exclude people if they are

:48:55.:48:59.

going to radicalise and encourage extremism. I disagree about Donald

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Trump. I think his remarks are divisive, stupid and wrong. If he

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came to our country, it would unite as all against him. By the time the

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house next meets, many people will have started their New Year 's

:49:17.:49:20.

resolutions. For many that will be to give up smoking. Given that

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Public Health England has recently stated that e-cigarettes are 95%

:49:26.:49:31.

safer than tobacco and half of the population is unaware of that, will

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he highlight the role that e-cigarettes can play in helping

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people give up tobacco? As somebody who has been through this battle a

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number of times, eventually relatively successfully, lots of

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people find different ways of doing it. For many e-cigarettes are

:49:49.:49:52.

successful. We need to be guided by the experts. We should be looking at

:49:53.:49:58.

Public Health England. It is promising to see that 1 million

:49:59.:50:02.

people are estimated to have used e-cigarettes to help them quit. We

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should be making clear that this is a very legitimate path for many

:50:10.:50:11.

people to improve their health and the health of the nation. During the

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referendum, the Prime Minister pledged to deliver carbon capture

:50:17.:50:21.

and storage at Peterhead, reiterated in the Tory manifesto. On the eve of

:50:22.:50:26.

the Paris climate talks, he pulled the plug. Which is the greatest

:50:27.:50:30.

betrayal, of Scotland, of the manifesto or of the entire planet?

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The greatest success is the Paris climate change talks. I would like

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to pay tribute to the Secretary of State who was one of the key

:50:44.:50:47.

negotiators who helped deliver this global goal which is so much better

:50:48.:50:52.

than Copenhagen and better even than Kyoto. On carbon capture and

:50:53.:50:56.

storage, in government you have to make tough choices and decisions

:50:57.:51:00.

about technology that works and technology that isn't working. We

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are spending the money on innovation and energy storage, an small nuclear

:51:07.:51:11.

reactors and other things, energy heat systems for local communities

:51:12.:51:15.

that will make a difference. We made the right choice. This Friday,

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sadly, sees the closure of Britain's deep coal mine in my constituency.

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Will my right honourable friend join me in thanking the hundreds of

:51:32.:51:35.

workers who will be working there final shift this Friday. Also,

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praise the thousands of workers whose bravery and hard graft over 50

:51:41.:51:45.

years has helped warm our homes, power factories and keep our lights

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on? I think my honourable friend speaks very strongly for his

:51:52.:51:56.

constituents. I join him in thanking people who've worked so hard at that

:51:57.:52:00.

mine and elsewhere. It is a difficult time. As part of the

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closure process we have ?80 million to ensure that the miners received

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the same package as the recently closed mine at Busby. Can I just

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tell the honourable members opposite, this is the official

:52:16.:52:24.

policy of the Labour Party. We must take action to keep fossil fuels in

:52:25.:52:32.

the ground. That is their policy. We have also seen they have a policy of

:52:33.:52:37.

reopening, is. Are they going to open a big Colin the ground and sit

:52:38.:52:42.

there and do nothing? What a metaphor for the leadership of his

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party? -- to open a big hole in the ground. Alison Pulis. The Prime

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Minister promised during the election campaign that he would not

:53:04.:53:08.

restrict child benefit to to children. Not only has he reneges on

:53:09.:53:20.

that, he has been asked a number of time and has not been able to

:53:21.:53:29.

explain how he will do this. Will he dropped this and the rape laws?

:53:30.:53:35.

There is no question that anyone who has a child through rate losing

:53:36.:53:37.

their benefit at all. Is my right honourable friend aware

:53:38.:53:54.

that thanks to the Chancellor's detection of the police budget, 108

:53:55.:53:59.

more police officers are being recruited to protect the people of

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Hampshire. While there is more to do in tackling crime in Rowell areas,

:54:04.:54:08.

would he agree that this is an important step in prioritising the

:54:09.:54:13.

front line and the Home Office and Hampshire Constabulary have made

:54:14.:54:16.

real progress in making our police more effective and resilient? It was

:54:17.:54:22.

the right decision to make sure we have this

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the right decision to make sure we By the end of the spending

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settlement it is an increase of ?900 million in cash terms by 2020. I am

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delighted there will be more officers on the street in Hampshire.

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You cannot find the NHS, the Home Office, the police unless you have a

:54:41.:54:43.

growing economy with more jobs and people paying taxes. A strong and

:54:44.:54:49.

stable economy. That is what is happening in Britain today. In his

:54:50.:54:56.

farewell speech, the outgoing director of the British museum said,

:54:57.:55:01.

the British Museum is perhaps the noblest dream that Parliament has

:55:02.:55:06.

ever dreamt. A collection free to all, native or foreign, where every

:55:07.:55:11.

citizen has the right to information and were all enquiry will be outside

:55:12.:55:16.

political control. Does the Prime Minister agree that the partnership

:55:17.:55:24.

working with museums and like those in Birmingham, will not happen

:55:25.:55:30.

unless museums and galleries continue to be funded properly? Let

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me join her in paying tribute to the British Museum, a jewel in the

:55:36.:55:40.

cultural crown, and also to Neil MacGregor, who gave it such

:55:41.:55:47.

extraordinary leadership. Given her heritage, she might be amused by the

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fact that when they took that brilliant exhibition on Germany, I

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took Angela Merkel, and later on they poached Neil MacGregor to look

:56:02.:56:06.

after their museums. I do want to see the British Museum Comp Lea to

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all of its partnerships, not just across the united kingdom and also

:56:14.:56:17.

internationally. She will have seen in the Autumn Statement that they

:56:18.:56:22.

got a funding settlement with which they were rightly pleased. According

:56:23.:56:30.

to Oxfam, the UK has donated a generous 229% of its fair share of

:56:31.:56:35.

aid in support of Syrian refugees. The highest proportion of the G8.

:56:36.:56:41.

Worldwide, only 44% of what is needed has been donated. Does the

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Prime Minister agree that it is critical that other countries step

:56:46.:56:48.

up to the plate as the UK has more than done? Would he update the house

:56:49.:56:54.

on progress in support of Syrian refugees? I agree with my honourable

:56:55.:56:58.

friend. Written is doing its moral duty in terms of funding refugee

:56:59.:57:03.

camps. We are holding a conference bringing the world together to make

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sure there is more funding in future. In terms of the number of

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refugees we have resettled, I promise to resettle 1000 by

:57:12.:57:15.

Christmas. I can confirm today that we have met our commitment. The

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charter flights arrived yesterday at Stansted and Belfast meaning that

:57:22.:57:29.

over 1000 have been settled. Another flight is coming today. We're making

:57:30.:57:33.

sure that these people get health care and education and I want to

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thank all those who have worked so far, including the right honourable

:57:38.:57:42.

member for Watford, because I said Britain would do its duty and with

:57:43.:57:47.

these 1000 we have made a good start. Three years ago, the Prime

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Minister couldn't have been clearer, his EU renegotiation would mean

:57:54.:57:57.

retaining control over social and employment law, is he still seeking

:57:58.:58:03.

that? I always find it hard to satisfy the honourable gentleman. He

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joined the Conservative Party when we weren't committed to a referendum

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and left after we had committed. I'm not surprised that he is giving his

:58:15.:58:19.

new boss as much trouble as he gave me. With that, I wish them both a

:58:20.:58:27.

very festive Christmas. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The triumphant Star Wars

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saga began life at Elstree Studios in my constituency. It continues to

:58:37.:58:47.

produce hits... SPEAKER: the honourable gentleman is banging on

:58:48.:58:50.

eloquently about Star Wars and I want to hear it. Will the Prime

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Minister join me in pledging support to the thriving film industry making

:58:57.:59:03.

such a valuable social and economic contribution in my constituency and

:59:04.:59:08.

across the United Kingdom? He raises an important point. This is not only

:59:09.:59:14.

very exciting for children and parents who are looking forward to

:59:15.:59:18.

this film but it is being made in Britain with many British actors and

:59:19.:59:22.

technicians showing the strength of the British film industry. Also,

:59:23.:59:27.

backed by the British government and taxpayers with excellent resources.

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Let me say, as I have worked with him in so many ways, I know that he

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will never join the dark side. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Resign! Despite

:59:44.:59:55.

ongoing efforts of the Scottish steel task force, my constituents

:59:56.:00:02.

are starting to receive redundancy notices. Will the Prime Minister put

:00:03.:00:08.

pressure on the EU now to reach a quick decision on permitting the PII

:00:09.:00:15.

compensation scheme and if this permission is granted, will be also

:00:16.:00:19.

commit to implement the scheme as soon as possible to provide

:00:20.:00:24.

breathing space for our steel sector and to give hope for my constituents

:00:25.:00:28.

this Christmas? The honourable lady is absolutely right to raise this.

:00:29.:00:35.

We are working hard to try and get the energy in sensitive industries

:00:36.:00:41.

plan, firmed. As soon at is cleared, money will be available for British

:00:42.:00:46.

still making companies. We expect this to be in place no later than

:00:47.:00:50.

April 2017 but it should be much earlier than that and we are working

:00:51.:00:56.

around the clock to try and help it happen. I'm sure the house will want

:00:57.:01:15.

to send condolences to those involved in

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As my honourable friend's constituency neighbour I was shocked

:01:28.:01:33.

by what happened in Abingdon and my heart goes out to the family of

:01:34.:01:36.

those who suffered. She is right to ask the question about offensive

:01:37.:01:39.

weapons and how available they are and I'm happy to look at that. I

:01:40.:01:44.

also think with that attack and the Leytonstone attack, although

:01:45.:01:48.

unrelated, it is right also to look at the resources that are police

:01:49.:01:50.

have in terms of equipment they have. There is a very different

:01:51.:01:56.

usage pattern for tasers across the country and this is something the

:01:57.:01:59.

Home Secretary, Metropolitan Police and I are discussing. There is

:02:00.:02:04.

nothing I believe more passionately than in the union, and yet with

:02:05.:02:12.

Scottish National is, English votes for English laws and various

:02:13.:02:15.

powerhouses and city deals and the creation of numerous other measures

:02:16.:02:21.

that may threaten the union, what is the Prime Minister's vision for that

:02:22.:02:23.

union and holding the four countries together. Would he please come and

:02:24.:02:28.

speak to the union all-party group at some stage in the future. But

:02:29.:02:33.

even more importantly, would he help with the campaign throughout the

:02:34.:02:35.

union because we are better together?

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Like the honourable gentleman I'm passionate about our United Kingdom

:02:41.:02:43.

and I believe we can make it stronger by accepting that it is a

:02:44.:02:46.

partnership of nations and a partnership of nations where we

:02:47.:02:49.

should treat each other with respect. I don't want to listen to

:02:50.:02:54.

the SNP. They don't want a partnership, they want a separation.

:02:55.:02:58.

At one of the things that is so strong about the United Kingdom and

:02:59.:03:01.

that I think other countries frankly are quite jealous of is we have

:03:02.:03:06.

demonstrated that you can have multiple identities, you can be

:03:07.:03:10.

proud of being an Ulster man and a Britcom you can be proud of being a

:03:11.:03:14.

Hindu and a Scot, you can be proud of being both Welsh and British ball

:03:15.:03:17.

so we've solved one of the problems the rest of the world is grappling

:03:18.:03:21.

with and that's why we should keep our United Kingdom together. Mr

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Speaker, as we approached the festival marking the birth of

:03:28.:03:36.

Jesus... SPEAKER: There was some noticeably eccentric jesty chelation

:03:37.:03:42.

from you, Mr McNeil but calm yourself. We must hear the

:03:43.:03:46.

honourable gentleman and he will be heard. Mr Speaker, as we approach

:03:47.:03:52.

the festival marking the birth of Jesus Christ, may ask the Prime

:03:53.:03:55.

Minister send out a message of support to those millions of fellow

:03:56.:03:58.

Christians around the world who are suffering persecution. May I also

:03:59.:04:03.

remind him once again to remind British people that we are a country

:04:04.:04:09.

fashioned by our Christian heritage, and it is that heritage which has

:04:10.:04:12.

resulted in our giving refuge to so many of other faiths over 70

:04:13.:04:17.

centuries. But we will not tolerate those who abuse our freedom to try

:04:18.:04:22.

to inflict their alien and violent fashion is upon us here,

:04:23.:04:30.

particularly in the name of Islam? First of all let me join him in

:04:31.:04:33.

saying we should do everything we can to defend the rights of

:04:34.:04:36.

Christians to practice their faith the world over. That is an important

:04:37.:04:42.

part of our foreign policy and let me commend also Justin Welby, the

:04:43.:04:45.

Archbishop of Canterbury, for the excellent work he does on the basis.

:04:46.:04:47.

I believe that Britain is Christian country and the fact we

:04:48.:04:51.

have an established Christian country and the fact we

:04:52.:04:58.

understand the place of faith in our national life makes us a more

:04:59.:05:00.

tolerant nation and better able to accommodate other faith groups in

:05:01.:05:05.

our country. That's why as I said earlier in this session I think we

:05:06.:05:08.

should be proud of the fact that this is one of the most successful

:05:09.:05:13.

multiethnic, multi-faith, multi-religion democracies anywhere

:05:14.:05:17.

in the world, and that is not in conflict with our status as a

:05:18.:05:20.

predominantly Christian country, I think it's one of the reasons we

:05:21.:05:25.

have done it. Prime Minister, I know the Prime Minister is aware of the

:05:26.:05:29.

flooding that has taken place in my constituency and the damage to the

:05:30.:05:32.

town of Cockermouth. I've had a call from a constituent this morning to

:05:33.:05:36.

say insurance companies are refusing to pay or help my constituents until

:05:37.:05:40.

they have paid the excess in full. Does he agree with me that this is

:05:41.:05:44.

absolutely outrageous? Some of the excesses are up to ?10,000, and what

:05:45.:05:48.

can be done to ensure they fulfil their operations to my constituents?

:05:49.:05:51.

She's absolutely right to raise will stop the Minister for

:05:52.:05:56.

government policy of the Right Honourable member for West Dorset,

:05:57.:05:58.

had meetings with the insurance companies to make sure this sort of

:05:59.:06:03.

practice doesn't happen. That's the first point. The second is we have

:06:04.:06:06.

announced putting money into the community funds that will form

:06:07.:06:09.

hardship funds to help people potentially who don't have

:06:10.:06:12.

insurance. The third and vital thing is the establishment of a flood

:06:13.:06:19.

decision made by the last government to make sure people have insurance.

:06:20.:06:26.

We have come to the end of the final Prime Minister's Questions of 2015,

:06:27.:06:35.

no more until the first or the second Wednesday, I think it's the

:06:36.:06:37.

first Wednesday in January will stop you will have to wait until then.

:06:38.:06:42.

A more traditional PMQs for the season of tradition, Mr Corbyn the

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Leader of the Opposition went back to asking a series of questions also

:06:49.:06:52.

only in his final question did he crowd source it to Abby but it was

:06:53.:07:01.

within his theme because she is a midwife and his questions had been

:07:02.:07:05.

about the NHS. Removed from the bed blocking crisis, the lack of social

:07:06.:07:08.

care, the cuts in social care, whether the increase in the local

:07:09.:07:11.

government precept would be enough to make up for the cuts. He thought

:07:12.:07:15.

not. There was some detailed questions from Mr Corbyn we didn't

:07:16.:07:18.

quite get full answers from the Prime Minister. Donald Trump got a

:07:19.:07:25.

mention as well, not very popular in the House of Commons. He lost in the

:07:26.:07:31.

Supreme Court his appeal to try and stop the offshore wind, the

:07:32.:07:38.

Aberdeenshire golf course he has built, the reaction to that is he

:07:39.:07:43.

called the Scottish Government foolish, small-minded and with a

:07:44.:07:49.

parochial mentality. Given what he called the Mexicans the Scots have

:07:50.:07:53.

got off quite likely! What did our viewers make of it? They were not

:07:54.:07:57.

quite so insulting, our viewers. Noel on Twitter said Shirley David

:07:58.:08:05.

Cameron -- Jeremy Corbyn can't wish me Corbyn Americus was without his

:08:06.:08:10.

words being distorted. Did Diane Abott go to sit by Jeremy Corbyn for

:08:11.:08:15.

moral support? On the substance Jeremy Corbyn was weak. To argue the

:08:16.:08:18.

NHS is underfunded when not committing his party to fund it is

:08:19.:08:22.

pathetic. Labour relying on the magic money tree and not hard

:08:23.:08:26.

choices. Jo says politicians cannot all be wrong and nor can they all be

:08:27.:08:29.

right but by listening to David Cameron one would think the NHS has

:08:30.:08:32.

no problems at all. Jeremy Corbyn comes over as more believable, and

:08:33.:08:38.

surely has ended 2015 on a winning note. And this from Luke on Twitter,

:08:39.:08:42.

this is the first Cameron-Corbyn PMQs I properly watched. Have to say

:08:43.:08:49.

Cameron is bossing it, Corbyn seems out of his depth also when many

:08:50.:08:53.

people saw the rise of Mr Corbyn this summer and his subsequent

:08:54.:08:56.

victory but this was an interregnum, a short, brief period in British

:08:57.:09:01.

politics before a return to more normality. When you have seen that

:09:02.:09:06.

today it doesn't look like it's true, does it? This is the shape of

:09:07.:09:11.

British politics now. Certainly for some time that it depends on who you

:09:12.:09:15.

talk to post up one MP said to me the other day they are

:09:16.:09:17.

characterising this year as having been a completely extraordinary year

:09:18.:09:21.

in politics and allsorts of things happened that were unpredictable. He

:09:22.:09:25.

went on to say that next year, maybe what he described as a year of the

:09:26.:09:33.

unthinkables where we might have something completely unexpected on

:09:34.:09:36.

the European Union, which would have consequences in the way that Angus

:09:37.:09:41.

Robertson suggested, if UK decided to leave. There are people inside

:09:42.:09:48.

the Labour Party who are planning for a leadership contest, they are a

:09:49.:09:53.

minority. Not much on the paper you would call a concrete plan but that

:09:54.:09:58.

is under consideration by people. There is a sense somehow that the

:09:59.:10:01.

last few months have been extraordinary, but next year maybe

:10:02.:10:07.

equally extraordinary. We are at a sense that is not an interregnum, it

:10:08.:10:12.

seems to have settled down a bit. I don't think we should love ourselves

:10:13.:10:15.

into a sense that next year things will carry on as they have done.

:10:16.:10:21.

Presumably, we focus very much on Jeremy Corbyn and his leadership and

:10:22.:10:24.

understandably so. One thing we said during the election is it is about

:10:25.:10:30.

competence versus chaos and that was derided in some quarters. What we

:10:31.:10:33.

have seen is the Labour Party descend into chaos immediately post

:10:34.:10:38.

the election. Ukip is a party of chaos. Whatever configuration we are

:10:39.:10:43.

in next year I'd see a scenario in which Labour moves from being a

:10:44.:10:47.

party of chaos to a party of competence, Corbyn or no Corbyn.

:10:48.:10:48.

What do you say to that? You may competence, Corbyn or no Corbyn.

:10:49.:10:53.

have the best insight into that but some people's chaos is other

:10:54.:10:57.

people's recognition of differences. Recently we had the free vote on

:10:58.:11:00.

Syria which reflected differences of view widely held in the public,

:11:01.:11:05.

including in your party. That was part of what we were saying about

:11:06.:11:08.

politics and needing to be done differently. I think it has been

:11:09.:11:12.

welcomed. I think today we saw again quite an understated style, and I

:11:13.:11:18.

think by not being so combative, to being more reasonable, one of your

:11:19.:11:22.

viewers said he was believable. I think that has allowed him to make

:11:23.:11:26.

some headway, particularly when he does quote from ordinary people it

:11:27.:11:30.

reinforces the sense that he is in touch, he's expressing what people

:11:31.:11:35.

are really feeling. He's doing OK at Prime Minister's Questions and

:11:36.:11:40.

winning on things like tax credits for single climb-down and

:11:41.:11:43.

backpedalling because of that sort of approach. One of the interesting

:11:44.:11:47.

things if you stand back from the weekly joust between those two men,

:11:48.:11:53.

David Cameron hasn't really looked under very much pressure since the

:11:54.:11:56.

General Election. This government is doing lots of things not

:11:57.:12:02.

particularly well. They have had some individual successes and some

:12:03.:12:05.

individual huge problems like the mess over tax credits that they got

:12:06.:12:09.

into. But there are a lot of areas where in a more traditional era they

:12:10.:12:14.

might be under real pressure. Today, for example, David Cameron is in a

:12:15.:12:17.

high-stakes renegotiation trying to do something nobody has really

:12:18.:12:20.

managed to do before with the rest of the EU. It's not going entirely

:12:21.:12:24.

according to plan and yet he got through that session and the last

:12:25.:12:28.

few days and the last few weeks relatively un-rattled by all of

:12:29.:12:34.

this. As an observation, the Government is not doing everything

:12:35.:12:36.

brilliantly well and have taken some big risks, they don't look under

:12:37.:12:41.

pressure really. Are we right to think that Mr Cameron and Mr

:12:42.:12:45.

Osborne, they would quite like to get the referendum out of the way

:12:46.:12:49.

next year rather than wait until 2017? There is no question about

:12:50.:12:53.

that, they desperately want to get this, in June if they can. That is

:12:54.:12:58.

their preferred date. They think that is still possible, because they

:12:59.:13:03.

hope and it does look feasible that they could be a deal in February.

:13:04.:13:07.

That would give them the four months required to have a decent period of

:13:08.:13:12.

debate. Could they have it in June? I was told the ritual commission

:13:13.:13:16.

didn't like the idea of a referendum campaign taking place while the main

:13:17.:13:20.

elections in local government in England, the Scottish Parliament and

:13:21.:13:22.

the Welsh assembly and Northern Ireland. It would certainly be

:13:23.:13:29.

complicated. But that is their hope, their preferred option. To do it in

:13:30.:13:36.

June? To do it in June. Even with the polls narrowing as they have?

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They sense that the longer they leave it the more they risk it is.

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They want it in June before next summer's migrant crisis gets

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underway. Indeed and other European leaders want its too because then

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you get into the convocation of French and German elections in 2017

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-- complication. There is a desire to do it quickly. It is pencilled

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into the diary as a political hope in as far as this government is

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concerned. Given the complexities of it all that we were discussing

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before Prime Minister's Questions there is nothing certain about it

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happening. If there is another migrant crisis September could be an

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even worse time because you have the whole summer of these same pictures

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again. Were you surprised to learn, that the hospitals are running up a

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deficit of 2.2 billion and the Government's response to that is to

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force them to borrow the money? The demands on our health service are

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immense. The starting position is committed to fund the Stevens plan,

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that is not a plan generated by the Government, it is the independent

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chief executive of the NHS, which we have done. Except they are in a

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deficit of over 2 billion now and 21 NHS trusts and ten foundation

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Hospital trusts have had to borrow ?500 million from the government.

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Traditionally this was done as a grant, it was done through the

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public dividend capital, but they are now having to borrow and pay

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interest to be able to pay this month's doctors' salaries, this

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month's nurses' salaries and this month's administration salaries. Is

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that sensible? We fully funded the Stevens plan. If there is a need to

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get short-term capital and there is a proper structure in place to do so

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by all means that is fine. It's not capital, its running costs. Doctors

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a bust of the salaries are not capital. They need extra funding --

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doctors' salaries. They are borrowing money and they will have

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to pay it back. Is that feasible? What the Prime Minister said in

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Prime Minister's Questions, we should be looking to fund this,

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there might be short-term pressures in which case we should put in place

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the appropriate structure for them to get together the funds they need

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so that they can treat all of those people in winter who need care

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immediately and that is what we should be doing. The Government must

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hope that it is absolutely right about climate change and that this

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winter stays as mild as it is. Because, if we had a severe winter

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like four or five years ago with already a deficit of over two

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billion and the deficit would soar in the NHS.

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There is no question there is an enormous strain on the health

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service and the figures that Jeremy Corbyn was bringing up, some

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hospitals having to phone the bank manager... The bank manager being

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Jeremy Hunt. The central problem is that, if you talk to ministers, they

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believe that the Simon 's plan, put together by the boss of the NHS,

:16:58.:17:02.

will, in two or three years, in theory, start to deliver the money

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back as well as making a system that should be more joined up, function

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better, where you don't have crazy things like an elderly person being

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stuck in hospital because there is nobody to take them home or make

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sure they are OK in their own house. The crunch is the time lag. If the

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savings you can get from the NHS and quite significant reforms that most

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people in government would say it have to happen, if they can't be

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delivered for three or four years, there will be a tricky point in the

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interim. We shall keep an eye on that. Merry Christmas. I was meant

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to bring mince pies but I didn't have time. Can I have a colouring

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book was to mark you didn't bring mince pies! I think you will find

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that is the prize, before you give it away. OK. I will get Jo one for

:17:55.:17:59.

next year. Happy Christmas. Should motorists over

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the age of 70 be retested Currently those over 70 must fill

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in a self-assessment form every three years to renew their licences,

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however Benjamin Brooks-Dutton, whose wife was killed by an elderly

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driver who mistook the accelerator for the brake, has started an online

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petition calling for over-70s to be It's received over 200,000

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signatories, here's his soapbox. And our cars reach a certain age,

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they have to have a regular MOT, so why don't we? -- after our cars. In

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the court case against the 83-year-old driver who struck and

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killed my wife three years ago, his defence barrister admitted that in

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this country we don't have a system to properly check the fitness of

:19:10.:19:12.

people to continue to drive over a certain age. His barrister stated

:19:13.:19:18.

that the driver was on a three-year licence renewal and his doctor did

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ever suggest he shouldn't continue to drive, a fact which amazed the

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court. He was actively encouraged to continue doing so. When drivers turn

:19:28.:19:34.

70, they have to reapply for their driving licence every three years

:19:35.:19:39.

simply through assessment. Nobody checks a person's ability to

:19:40.:19:44.

continue to drive, nobody checks their hearing, eyesight, skills or

:19:45.:19:49.

ability to stop. In fact, when a person has passed their driving

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test, their decision to keep driving into old age is mainly self

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regulated. Those suffering heart rhythm problems have two inform the

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DVLA but those who suffer heart attacks do not. It is family and

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friends who carried the burden of explaining to relatives that

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potentially they are a risk to themselves and others. It is never

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easy to tell somebody you love that they should probably stop driving

:20:19.:20:22.

and it can be very damaging to relationships. I want the law to

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change. I want this issue relationships. I want the law to

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shifted from personal to policy. It is time to drop self-assessment and

:20:31.:20:34.

introduce official retesting for drivers over 70. Nobody wants to

:20:35.:20:39.

cause death on the roads and nobody wants to damage a relationship with

:20:40.:20:43.

somebody they love. It's not that big and ask. Motorists over 70

:20:44.:20:46.

already have to reapply for their driving licence every three years

:20:47.:20:51.

and our cars have to have an annual MOT, so why not drivers?

:20:52.:20:56.

What has been the response to your campaign? It has been overwhelming,

:20:57.:21:04.

with over 200,000 signatures within a couple of weeks. The most

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important thing is that so many people over 70 have got in touch.

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After the first response of saying, I don't want to have to take a test,

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and they have read the book into it, a lot of people have said, I think

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this is a good idea, I want to know I am safe on the road, I don't want

:21:21.:21:24.

to cause an accident, I don't want to take it that far before my

:21:25.:21:28.

fitness to drive is judged. What about politicians, in terms of green

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-- in terms of agreeing to be test? You are the first two politicians I

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have spoken to. Would you sign up to what Benjamin is calling for, a

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proper test for the suitability to drive for over 70s? I am sorry about

:21:49.:21:54.

what you have had to go through and congratulations on your campaign.

:21:55.:21:58.

You have 200,000 signatures which I believe means your issue has to be

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debated in Parliament, which will happen by the minister responsible

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in the transport department. I will speak to him directly. I think you

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deserve it constructive engagement. So you will speak to the Minister

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responsible? I will speak to the Minister responsible. And you will

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be in touch with Benjamin. We will have to check about whether 200,000

:22:23.:22:26.

signatories qualifies for a debate. I'm not sure. Certainly... I welcome

:22:27.:22:36.

that. Would you support it? I will do the same without Shadow Secretary

:22:37.:22:40.

of State. That a very serious report that you did. You have been through

:22:41.:22:44.

a hell of a lot with this so good on you for picking it up. There has to

:22:45.:22:48.

be a strong case for this. Something I think would benefit from a wider

:22:49.:22:55.

public debate, Parliament, public debate and possibly proposals from

:22:56.:22:58.

government for doing that. Whether 70 is the right limit, whether 80 is

:22:59.:23:03.

the right limit... But the principle that people lose their faculties

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when they get older, and the fact that they're so many horror stories

:23:08.:23:11.

about experiences like yours, suggests that this is something we

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should look. A significant number of over 70s have got in touch with

:23:18.:23:19.

Benjamin saying that they themselves would not like to be judged on that

:23:20.:23:25.

basis. Are you surprised it is self-assessment, just happy to fill

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in a form, and your eyesight isn't tested? Not really, because people

:23:29.:23:34.

of all ages become complacent after they passed their driving test. They

:23:35.:23:38.

don't drive as well as they should. Perhaps they lose faculties. I think

:23:39.:23:43.

this is a particular case for a group of older people, which is your

:23:44.:23:47.

argument, and I think we should take a Sirius look at it. Benjamin you

:23:48.:23:51.

alluded to the fact that it might not be popular with people being

:23:52.:23:55.

told that they have to have a test or they may not be physically

:23:56.:24:01.

suitable for driving after 70. Also, it could be isolating for old

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people. This is something that guarantees their independence. And

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70 isn't old any more. That is not old these days. What I have done

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with the case I put forward is completely mirroring what is in

:24:16.:24:19.

place with the DVLA. At the moment, you have to reapply for your driving

:24:20.:24:23.

licence every three years from 70. I have to assume there is a good

:24:24.:24:28.

reason for that. A paper recently suggested shifting that 80. The

:24:29.:24:32.

biggest reason I could find was because it might save ?1.8 million a

:24:33.:24:36.

year, which isn't much if you look at how the state is to care for

:24:37.:24:40.

people like me and my son when we have been through this. I am

:24:41.:24:43.

mirroring that at the moment. This is open to debate. It is a big issue

:24:44.:24:47.

and I think it can't be just an isolated thing. There are many ways

:24:48.:24:52.

to retest people. At the moment, nobody is arguing against

:24:53.:24:56.

self-assessment every three years, so it is just making it a more

:24:57.:25:00.

thorough version of that. I don't see why people would have an issue.

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Who do you think should pay for it? Should it be drivers themselves or

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the government? There are many creative ways to look at this. If

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you look at the price comparison industry, insurers, they all look,

:25:16.:25:20.

they all pay for the acquisition of those customers. There are ways and

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means but it needs to be debated. Do you think it would be unpopular with

:25:25.:25:31.

elderly voters? It is a new regime. John made the point about what

:25:32.:25:35.

really is the limit, 70, 80, whatever. We have to go through all

:25:36.:25:39.

of those. If it is done in the right way, and that is why there should be

:25:40.:25:43.

a discussion, something could be done. Thank you.

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Now, before PMQs, you may remember we set John and Sam a little task -

:25:47.:25:49.

we gave them copies of this and asked them to get

:25:50.:25:52.

Well, let's see how seriously they took their task.

:25:53.:26:05.

Some looked confused at the start but John got cracking. It didn't

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take long for the creative juices to start flowing. Sam decided Jeremy

:26:13.:26:17.

Corbyn's bid was read. Even our esteemed political editor got in on

:26:18.:26:23.

the act. A lovely treatment of the picture involving lots of real

:26:24.:26:27.

balloons. As you can see, there was a lot of thinking as our guests not

:26:28.:26:33.

to grips with the task. The result was a veritable cornucopia of

:26:34.:26:40.

colour. Towards the end, Laura got a bit bored and started playing with

:26:41.:26:44.

her phone. Probably doing her Christmas shopping. She knows what I

:26:45.:26:45.

want. We are joined now by the illustrator

:26:46.:26:52.

behind the Jeremy Corbyn colouring book. Welcome. Why Jeremy Corbyn? I

:26:53.:27:00.

can clear up the thing with Laura and her phone. She was using the

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Jeremy Corbyn Which is also available. You revealed her great

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secret. Why Jeremy Corbyn? When it was Cameron King or Corbyn,

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unfortunately I am an illustrated of long standing but I can't quite get

:27:20.:27:20.

Cameron King. I have long standing but I can't quite get

:27:21.:27:29.

jacket potato and put a tie on him. Have you attempted to capture things

:27:30.:27:33.

about him in this colouring book? We have tried to move away from the

:27:34.:27:40.

image of him... A lot of suggestions earlier on was that he has terrible

:27:41.:27:44.

dress sense. We have done a page to dress Jeromy, the option... Oh, well

:27:45.:27:54.

done. You have got him a superman. You have the bullying uniform, you

:27:55.:28:00.

can have a pearly king, you can win the Scottish vote with a kilt. --

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you have the Burlington uniform. Has it been selling well? 'S very well.

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You will be getting one of those in your stocking. That is next year's

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Christmas presents sorted. There's just time to put you out

:28:17.:28:18.

of your misery and give Sam, push that big red buzzer

:28:19.:28:20.

and pick the lucky winner. It is Peter rain bird from

:28:21.:28:36.

somewhere. I think you need is to get in touch with us to tell us

:28:37.:28:41.

where so we can send you the prize. Somewhere in the country of nowhere.

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The News at One is starting over on BBC One now.

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I'll be here at noon tomorrow with all the big political stories

:28:48.:28:50.

Jo's off Christmas shopping in Strasbourg.

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