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Welcome to day three of the Conservative Party conference

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here in Birmingham, where, as Prime Minister, Theresa May

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was doing the rounds of broadcasters to flesh out her particular brand

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of Conservatism, the pound plunged to a 31 year low

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Welcome to this Daily Politics Conference Special -

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live from the Tory party conference here in Brum.

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Yesterday the Chancellor tried to reassure markets that he knew

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what he was doing when it came to Brexit,

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by making clear he wasn't a hardliner on the issue.

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The exchange markets took fright and sterling plunged.

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She failed to bring down net migration as Home Secretary...

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Can Theresa May be any more successful at controlling

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The Defence Secretary says that in future our armed forces will be

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exempt from the jurisdiction of the European Court of

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Human Rights in some circumstances - will this put an end to the flurry

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Also this afternoon - transatlantic political allegiances.

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Conservatives have traditionally supported the Republicans,

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Labour, the Democrats - but what about in next month's

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We send Adam out with his balls - would they plump

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You know Ed wasn't their first choice for Strictly, they were going

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to ask Jeremy Corbyn to do it, but somebody told them he had two left

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feet! And there are polite

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chuckles in the hall, Now, the Prime Minister has said

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there will be "bumps in the road" as we negotiate our exit

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from the EU and build Chancellor Philip Hammond's went

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further warning of "turbulence" and a "rollercoaster" ride

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for the economy. The exchange markets took him

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at his word this morning when they opened and placed

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sterling on a rollercoaster, heading down to its lowest level

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against the dollar in 31 years. Here's what Theresa May had to say

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on ITV earlier today. This isn't about saying well we're

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coming out of the European Union, but what bits of men should do we

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keep? It's saying when we leave the European Union it will be that

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independent, sovereign country and we will be negotiating a new

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relationship with the European Union. It won't be plain sailing,

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there will be some bumps in the road as we go through this process. The

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economic data we've seen so far in the last few weeks has been more

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positive than people were expecting. It is early days but it has been

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more positive than people were expecting. But I recognise the

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concern business has, wanting to see a smooth process as we go through

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these negotiations. We're joined now by Kate McCann

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of the Telegraph and Sam Mr Hammond the new Chancellor, meant

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to be a reassuring figure, an accountant, safe pair of hands but

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the exchange markets didn't think so? I think what's been going on is

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the markets have been broadly doing what the rest of us are trying to

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do, trying to work out the nature of Brexit that we are going to have. We

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are in a world where we have very few hard facts. We know the timing

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of Article 50 but few details on the relationship Britain will have with

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its closest neighbours and the rest of the world going forward. What

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happened is the financial markets, broadly speaking, slightly out of

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touch with the direction of travel of this government over the last few

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weeks. It's been fairly clear to me we are heading to the sum had

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Brexit, we won't stay in the single market, we will probably come out of

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the customs union. There will be some kind of agreement between the

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UK on the European union block, to some extent. And the markets in the

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last 36-48 hours have woken up to that fact. Talking to traders on

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Friday they said around the world there was a general misconception of

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where we were going to end up on Brexit. I think the comments of

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Theresa May yesterday and on Sunday have really put that to rest. That's

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why we're getting such a sharp correction at this point. Can they

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just shrug it off? We have a floating exchange rate now, we've

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had one for years and years. Sterling goes up and down. Many

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people thought it was overvalued anyway before the referendum. Or do

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they start to get worried, because it will feed through into prices? It

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well. The people who start to get worried will be us, people who it

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matters to day today. It is worrying when you don't know the implications

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of what it means, but what it does mean is anyone going on holiday to

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America will be in a worse off position than they were before.

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Before the vote we had these warnings. Chuka Umunna today warning

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this means people will be worse off. They will feel their pound is worth

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less in their pocket. That will cause people to stop and pause and

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wonder if to buy or sell a house, or if to put that decision. That will

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have a bigger and slower impact on what we are seeing today. The FTSE

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100 is going through the roof at the moment, over 7000 and still rising.

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Most people have their pensions and FTSE 100 companies, so to some

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extent that is good news. But a big chunk of the FTSE are companies that

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operate abroad, so when sterling goes down, they often do much better

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because their foreign exchange then turns into sterling at a much better

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rate. So it doesn't tell you that much? There are a range of

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indicators we can look at. A lot of people think the FTSE 100 is to

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short term to draw big conclusions from. What indicators and my most

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interested in? I think in the next few months we will get more of a

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settled sense of which direction this country is going in. The

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numbers I will be looking at other ones published on November 23 by the

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office the budget responsibility, will set up the predicted rates for

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this country going forward, and critically the tax revenue the

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Exchequer is expected to receive every year. This is the people at

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home is the most important consequence of what is going on

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here. Talking to the ISS and people in government, there is a widespread

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assumption that by the time we get to 2020, you are perhaps looking at

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15-20 or ?25 billion less tax revenue year. That's when it starts

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getting tangible for people at home. Currency is one thing, but when

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there is less money for schools and hospitals, when departmental budgets

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will be hit, I think that's when people watching this programme are

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going to most notice the consequence of Brexit. There is another side of

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the argument, people who supported leaving the European Union at this

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conference saying traditional bodies like the Institute for Fiscal

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Studies are being too downbeat and not seeing the advantages that will

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come from being a free trading nation, but it will come down to

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cold hard economic reality. Other deals we can do now, will they

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compensate for the loss people think we will see? It is a big question

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and markets today seem to have taken a rather pessimistic medium-term

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view. Most people think forecasters get it wrong, that's a problem. OBR

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often gets it wrong. Yes, and we are at the start of a very slow process.

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We haven't triggered Article 50 yet or left the EU yet, so goodness

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knows what happens when we do. That's usually written into market

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indicators. The problem we will have as this goes on, if Theresa May's

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government decides to continue this kind of line of Brexit, we will know

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very little. Some Conservative MPs at this conference has been saying,

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I don't think there will be a hard Brexit. They are talking like that

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is a given. We shall see. Forecasts can be wrong, and so can our

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speculations. We will leave it there.

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Now, the new Home Secretary Amber Rudd has just taken

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-- is due on stage imbibing in shortly.

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And she is expected to announce new restrictions on people coming

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The Government is still committed to bringing net migration down

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But, as Ellie Price explains, the level of non-EU migration

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Net migration is the difference between the number of people coming

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into the UK and those leaving each year. Last year it was 320 7000.

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Around half came from the EU, the other half came from the rest of the

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world. They are eye watering figures when you think the Conservatives

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have been wanting to get the net migration figures down to 100,000

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since 2010. You are completely committed to the

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tens of thousands target? I am completely committed to reducing

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Icahn and tens of thousands, but it will take some time. Whether they

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can meet that target will depend on what type of Brexit deal is agreed

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on whether there are changes to freedom of movement from the EU. But

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don't forget the number of non-EU migrants is still 190,000. Even

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though the government already can and does apply immigration controls

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to the rest of the world. The composition of non-EU migration is

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very different EU migration. People from the EU are mainly coming as

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workers, where as the largest group of people coming from outside of the

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EU are actually international students. That is the largest group.

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Then we have people coming as workers, coming mainly in highly

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skilled jobs. Then we have family members, and the smallest group is

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asylum. Let's look at the numbers. The largest number of non-EU

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migrants is students, 72% of people who came to study in Britain last

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year came from the rest of the world. That was 111,000 people.

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Mostly coming from China and other Asian countries. There have been

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concerns that route was being exploited. The government says it

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closed 920 bogus colleges since 2010. That might partly explain why

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the visiting student numbers last year were the lowest since 2007.

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The second largest group of non-EU migrants as workers, usually in

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higher skilled roles. 71,000 people came from outside the EU to the UK

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last year to work. 20,000 were job-seekers and another 51,000

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already had a job lined up. Then you have another 47,000 who came to join

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or a company family members. And finally, around 44,000 claiming

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asylum. All of these numbers relate to non-EU immigration, before we

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even get to deciding how many people can come from EU countries. Brexit

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means UK politicians could soon have complete control over migration, but

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it doesn't mean the choices they face will be any easier.

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I'm joined now by the Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green.

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In a former life he was the Immigration Minister

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Welcome back to the programme. Do you accept if you are to get

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anywhere near your target for net migration into this country that you

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will have to cut both EU migration and non-EU migration? I think

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mathematically that must be the case. Last time I looked it was

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about... The net figures were 190,000 each. I think slightly

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more... 330000 and it's roughly 50-50. So both will have do come

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down. Yes. I think what Amber will be talking about today is measures

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you can take to reduce migration from outside the European Union

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first. Why haven't you done that? Net migration from the EU, from

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outside the EU is way over your overall 100,000 target. What are you

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doing about it? As your package just showed, I think it was some years

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ago I was Immigration Minister. One of the most effective measures we

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took was closing all the bogus colleges. That gives some context.

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Everyone says we want students here. Some of them, they weren't students,

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they were coming here to work and attending bogus colleges. I

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understand that but the overall figure is 3.3 times your target. If

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nobody came here from the EU, even if there was no migration from the

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EU, you would still be 90,000 above your target. Which would have been

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lower than what we had. Why do make promises you can't keep? It's like

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pushing a balloon, you push one side and the other side comes up. It is a

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permanent struggle to keep immigration numbers at an acceptable

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level. A struggle you are losing. It is a struggle you have to keep at.

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You have lost 330,000... Higher than the year before and that was higher

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than the year before and that was higher than the year before that. It

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came down and went up again. Went up for three years. It was going down.

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It came down and went up again and went up again be partly because our

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economy was growing much faster than the economy of many other European

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countries. In some ways that makes it more difficult to control

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immigration, but I don't think anyone's complaining about the fact

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we had higher growth rates than many of our comparable countries. Can you

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give us any idea when you might get even close to your target? It will

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take time. I am not the Immigration Minister any more. Beyond 2020? It

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will be a few years yet, yes. It depends how fast the relative

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economic growth is in other countries. I would love other

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countries in Europe to get to grips with their economy is, particularly

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inside the euro zone, so there growing so very many young people

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who come here can find jobs in their own country. Do you think when

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people are worried about immigration into this country, and the

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referendum showed there was worry about it, particularly outside the

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metropolitan areas. Do you think they had doctors in mind when they

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were worried about migration? Probably not, but you would have to

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ask them that, Nigel Farage was forever at the forefront of saying

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that we wanted few immigrants and he would never answer the question,

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whether he meant doctors. Why would you want to not want to in Courage

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medical people to come to this country? -- encourage. In an ideal

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world we would train more doctors ourselves because this is a good

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profession for people to go into and what we and other richer countries

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are doing around the world, we are tending to take badly needed medical

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professions from poorer countries. In the long term that is not a good

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thing to do, that is not sustainable for them, but we are doing that

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because we need to fill gaps because at the moment we are not training

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enough doctors, so we should train more doctors. You have put the

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doctors and other medical people working here already, you have put

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them on deportation notice. No, we haven't. Really? The Prime Minister

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was asked this morning if foreign doctors would be allowed to stay and

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she said, until further numbers of home-grown doctors are trained. When

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we train our doctors they will want to find jobs. But what happens to

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the others? That is a Duport Asian notice warning to doctors already

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here. -- deportation. Would you like to say to anyone who has come to

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this country to work in the NHS, are they welcome to stay? They well,

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while they are doing a job and they will be necessary for that time --

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they are well, for the wild way are doing a job. -- play a welcome.

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So they don't have to go? What I will say again, it she said, doctors

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will be allowed to stay until further numbers of home-grown

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doctors are trained. Not talking about new foreign doctors coming in,

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talking about those already here. You have clarified they won't have

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to leave, correct? If we are training up more doctors, those

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doctors will be available to apply for jobs in the future, many years

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in the future, it takes many years to train a doctor, but they will

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then presumably be competing for jobs with foreign doctors who are

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not yet here. For a country with a national health 's is and with an

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international reputation with health -- National Health Service. With

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world beating hospitals and breakthroughs in medical techniques,

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don't you want an international market in medical expertise? Don't

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you want the best and the brightest to come to this country? Yes, of all

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people to come to this country, the best and brightest, when I was

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Immigration Minister I said we don't just want our fair share, we want

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more than our fair share and we think this is a very attractive

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country to come to. You have said you would like more of the best and

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brightest to come, Boris Johnson has said he would like more Australians

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to come, Philip Hammond says he thinks the City should be exempt

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from any kind of immigration controls, and Sajid Javid says we

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need more foreign builders. If all these are the people are coming into

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the country, who is not coming in? These are people who are already

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coming in. Mr Johnson says he would like more Australians, Sajid Javid

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said we need more foreign builders. One of your other colleague said we

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need more farm workers. If we need all these extra people to come into

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the country, who are you not going to let in? How are you going to get

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the numbers down? The basis of any sensible immigration policy and this

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is what we seek to do, is to bring people in who are highly skilled and

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world-class or filling gaps in the Labour market. One of the tasks of

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other ministers including myself, is to make more highly skilled our own

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workforce so that British workers are trained to do jobs that would

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otherwise have to be done by workers from overseas. That is a permanent

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struggle, not something you ever get to the end of, but absolutely, that

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is a task for any British government to make sure our skills are better

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and we have people who can do those jobs. The basis of your immigration

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system is not allowing people to come in with skills that we need,

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but the basis is to get net migration down. Most people, even

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though most worried about immigration, they say they want

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doctors and skilled people, they want the best people in the world

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here. What you said in the referendum campaign, that was very

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much the thought that we are bringing into many relatively low

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skilled workers and the question is, can't we find British workers to do

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those jobs which are not that is a legitimate question. -- to do those

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jobs? Of course. How much for -- further does sterling have to fall

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before you get worried? I have seen this happen, working in finance, and

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anyone who worries over a few days in the market, but would find

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themselves bouncing around every day. It is a trend. You will know

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the trend has been down for 100 days. It is now down about 13.5%

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since the 23rd of June. $1.28. How low does it go before you get

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worried? You make long-term policy not on the basis of international

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currency rates, but what you do, it seems to me the Prime Minister

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giving a date for when we invoke Article 50, that actually promotes

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stability. How did that work in the exchange markets this morning? The

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Prime Minister gave a sedate over the weekend and then the pound

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plunges as soon as the markets open -- gave a date. That is a classic

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market reaction. Unless wondering where the stability comes in. The

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longer you leave it uncertain, for markets and investment, long-term

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investment, it is worse, and I think proceeding at a sensible pace with

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the Brexit negotiations, and we are now single the timetable is, that is

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the most sensible way to do it. It will be an uncertain period, they

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will be bumps in the road, and knowing how long that road is seems

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to be promoting stability. Damian Green, thanks for joining us.

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Conservatives have traditionally supported US republicans -

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But what about in next month's presidential election?

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It is rather different from most elections in America.

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Adam wheeled out his mood box amongst conference goers - would

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Most people here don't have a vote in the American presidential

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election but we're not letting that stop us, who do people prefer?

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Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton? This is going to be awesome, so

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awesome. Clinton, she is the lesser of two evils. Ringing endorsement

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exclaim Aqua grab a ball and put that in the Clinton box. It would be

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great to have a female president. Go for it, then. I'm going to go for

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Trump because I hate every Clinton. She is alive and she will say

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anything for a of votes and I think Trump has a bit more credibility and

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I would go for him. It is a kick in the face or a kick in the crotch,

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and Clinton would probably kick me in the crotch full stop I don't know

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what I would go for. Thank you very much. I share the same hairdresser

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as Donald Trump, I've got to grab one of these. You wearing better.

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Mine is just as false. It is going to be fantastic. I'm not sure

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Clinton will do the best for America. It is like the Iran-Iraq

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war come I want them both to lose, but I think if I was an American

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citizen I'm afraid it would have to be, for world peace, the safer

:24:47.:24:52.

world. I think Donald Trump will win. Unfortunately. This rolling

:24:53.:24:59.

ball is for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. Trump or

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Clinton? Trump, I think of are just so I can see the President of North

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Korea's face when I -- someone whispers in his ear that Donald

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Trump is the American president. -- I think just so I can see the

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president of North Korea. Jim Davidson, News at ten, Conservative

:25:33.:25:38.

conference. Who are you going to be announcing as the winner? Trump. I

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don't want a madman and an idiot running the United States of

:25:49.:25:51.

America. Who would you give this ball to? I give this to the

:25:52.:25:59.

Republican candidate, Donald Trump. I won't vote for a very left-wing

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Democrat. I'm doing some writing about this, about the US election, I

:26:08.:26:11.

do a podcast every Friday, and in that position, I have to remain

:26:12.:26:18.

neutral. Few people went for Donald Trump but the majority went for

:26:19.:26:24.

Hillary Clinton. We have made the move box great again, not that it

:26:25.:26:31.

wasn't great before -- mood. STUDIO: Ad showing that there is a clear

:26:32.:26:38.

majority for Hillary Clinton at the Conservative conference -- Adam.

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Stressing the difference between Britain's form of conservatism and

:26:46.:26:48.

America's current style of conservatism. That is if you regard

:26:49.:26:53.

Donald Trump as a Conservative. Now, Theresa May has said

:26:54.:26:56.

she will trigger Article 50 - beginning the process of our exit

:26:57.:26:59.

from the European Union But should it be her decision alone,

:27:00.:27:01.

or should MPs have a vote on it? Well Conservative supporter,

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Leave campaigner and founder of Pimlico Plumbers -

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Charlie Mullins - is funding a legal challenge to try and force

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a parliamentary vote. Good afternoon. People voted to

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leave the European Union, why are you finding a vote to try and stop

:27:24.:27:27.

the will of the people? I'm not against the result. You are. I'm

:27:28.:27:34.

trying to clarify whether Theresa May is legally entitled to trigger

:27:35.:27:37.

Article 50 and whether issued B Parliament, and I believe it should

:27:38.:27:43.

be Parliament. -- and whether it should be Parliament. The government

:27:44.:27:48.

says they have the legal power to do so. It should be Parliament.

:27:49.:27:54.

Parliament makes the laws and decisions, so surely it should be

:27:55.:27:59.

them that do it. Your slide in the campaign never told us that if we

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voted to leave it would still be subject to a vote in parliament --

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side. We were never told that. We were told by the then Prime Minister

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that if we voted to leave, the will of the people would be respected.

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I'm not against the referendum, I'm here to clarify whether she is

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entitled to trigger Article 50 or whether Parliament should be doing

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it. You have never shown a massive interest in such intricate

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constitutional matters before, why now? I'm sure aim is to thwart the

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result. -- unless your aim. We have to accept the resort. If someone

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challenges this 80 months down the line, and we have been in a complete

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mess, there will be more uncertainty and we need to find whether she's

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entitled to or whether it is Parliament. -- we have to accept the

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result. Parliament is voting for us to leave in essence, by getting rid

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of the European communities act. The idea of Parliament voting, they make

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the laws, why should it left to the government? If we hadn't voted for

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Parliament, how would you encourage MPs to vote? If we didn't have a

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Parliament? No, if we had a vote in Parliament. I'm a Remain, but we can

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live with the decision, it is about businesses preparing for the exit.

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Do you want them to vote against triggering out of 50 -- Article 50

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question -- Article 50? I would rather they voted to Remain. So you

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want this vote so that Parliament can reverse the result of the

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referendum? Not at all, there's a campaign formed by Gena Miller,

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businesswoman, she believes Theresa May is not entitled to trigger

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Article 50. You have said if Parliament had a vote on Article 50

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you would want Parliament not to trigger Article 50, therefore not to

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carry out the will of the referendum. No, no. We have two

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except the result, even if we are not happy with it, but this is about

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legally finding out whether it is Theresa May or Parliament should be

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doing it. -- to accept. You have said you want MPs to vote not to

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trigger Article 50. Obviously I have an opinion and from a business

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perspective that is my opinion. What kind of constitutional crisis would

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we have if the people, having voted to leave the EU, Parliament then

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votes that we shouldn't leave? We don't own what they would vote. We

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are uncertain at the moment, but we have got to go back to why I'm here,

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the point is whether she is legally entitled to do it or whether it

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should be Parliament. Thanks for joining us. When is the court case?

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Ten days from now, the High Court's Lord Chief Justice is dealing with

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it. More money for lawyers. It is your money.

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Now, the Conservatives have used their conference to make a raft

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Let's go back to London and see what we've learned so far.

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Yes, Andrew, thank you. There have been a raft of announcements and we

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will have a look at the big policies that were stated and have been since

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Sunday. At the start of the conference

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on Sunday, Prime Minister Theresa May announced that the UK

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will trigger Article 50 by the end of March,

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starting the two year She also promised

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a "Great Repeal Bill," removing the 1972 European Communities Act

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from the statute books, and enshrining existing EU

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law into British law. Yesterday, Chancellor Philip

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Hammond abandoned his predecessor George Osborne's aim to balance

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the books before 2020. Also, Communities Secretary Sajid

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Javid said the Government will borrow money to build 1 million

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new homes by 2020. Today, Defence Secretary

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Michael Fallon announces plans to ensure UK troops are given legal

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protection against While Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt

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is announcing a 25% increase in medical school places,

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to make England "self-sufficient" Joining me now from Leicester

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is Labour Shadow Cabinet Welcome to the Daily Politics. As we

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just said Chancellor Philip Hammond announced yesterday he is ditching

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George Osborne's target to eliminate the Budget deficit by 2020. I assume

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Labour is backing that? We always said he couldn't meet that target.

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It was surplus by 2019, that was the basis of the Conservative 's general

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election campaign last year. We said it would be unrealistic without deep

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cuts in public expenditure. We have been calling for more investment in

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infrastructure, that's what we think would be a sensible approach for the

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economy and he seems to be adopting that approach, but we would have to

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look at the details. It seems to vindicate the arguments we've

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outlined in the last 12 months. So you are backing that. Your plea for

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more investment seems to have been answered by the Conservatives. They

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have announced they're going to borrow to build a million homes.

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There is your public investment in infrastructure. You would support

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that as well? We think we could go further. We have had the lowest

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house-building on record since peace time, the nineteen twenties. How

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many homes did Labour Bill did the last government? Not enough. Nothing

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like it. We put investment into the housing stock, that was our priority

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in the first few years of the Labour government. We want this government

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to go further. We want more investment in our infrastructure.

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Sticking with housing, you said Labour didn't build enough. The last

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Labour government promised to build 240,000. The completions by the end

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of that government were only 130 6000. You fell well short of that

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promise so it's a bit rich for you to complain about the Conservatives'

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record, which were right, completions was worse under David

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Cameron, but now they are promising to build those homes. You support

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that aspiration? I don't think it's rich when I am conceding to you we

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didn't build enough homes. Not just enough... We wanted to put

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investment in the existing housing stock, because it had had no

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investment for 18 years of the previous Conservative government.

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Why should voters trust you more than the Conservative government? On

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the housing promises? What we have now, a Conservative government which

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last year promised to balance the books and run a surplus by 2019.

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They have completely abandoned that and completely abandoned any fiscal

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rules whatsoever. We have a fiscal framework, we want to bring forward

:35:24.:35:27.

billions and billions pounds worth of investment, not just houses but

:35:28.:35:31.

Rhodes, broadband, and new sewage works that is needed, rail lines and

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things like that. The Conservatives are just talking about housing,

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which is welcome, and good as far enough and that is the

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difference between us. You have abandoned any ambition to bring down

:35:54.:35:55.

the deficit any time soon. You are pledging ?500 billion in new

:35:56.:35:58.

investment to create jobs in new infrastructure projects. How much

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are you going to add to the deficit? We will have to see what the public

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finances are when we get into government and see what we inherit.

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That you will be adding to the deficit quite dramatically much

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about our pledges 25 billion over five years. We currently spend

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something like 23 billion at the moment. There are ways in which we

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can do this. If the deficit comes down of course we won't be boring,

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but we will have to see what the public finances are like. What would

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you do to bring the deficit down? If you invest in the economy, you grow

:36:25.:36:28.

the economy. The reason the Conservatives have not been able to

:36:29.:36:31.

deal with the deficit is because they haven't been investing in the

:36:32.:36:35.

economy, haven't been growing the economy. Labour want to grow the

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economy faster than it is now, at around 2.1%? What growth rate are

:36:45.:36:46.

you predicting? We will make our decisions when we see what the

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Chancellor says in his Autumn Statement and budget. The key event

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will be the budget before the general election, as you know. In

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the meantime, the Conservatives are talking about bumps on the road,

:36:56.:37:00.

taking this very casual attitude to Brexit, apparently pushing us into

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what is being called a hard Brexit, not being clear about whether they

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want to remain in the single market or keep access. It seems like

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they've moved away from that. We think that would be a catastrophe

:37:13.:37:15.

for jobs, investment and the prosperity of the people I represent

:37:16.:37:20.

in Leicester. If they push us out of the single market they need to be

:37:21.:37:23.

clear about what that means the British manufacturers who are

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worried about tariffs on perhaps the cars they produce in Sunderland and

:37:27.:37:30.

elsewhere. This is the clarity we need from Theresa May. Been boosted

:37:31.:37:38.

recently depending on the fall in sterling, that could be a good or a

:37:39.:37:41.

bad thing. I don't think they will want tariffs. No, but at the moment

:37:42.:37:46.

exports have been boosted. In terms of looking at the economy, although

:37:47.:37:50.

sterling has fallen, the share prices have gone up in the FTSE 100.

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Do you welcome that? Of course we welcome share prices increasing. We

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need to know what will happen to the economy in the next few months.

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Philip Hammond was warning us yesterday it will be difficult.

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Theresa May talks about it is bumps in the road, as if people's jobs can

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be dismissed in that casual way. People are genuinely worried, if we

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leave the single market and don't have access, what will that mean for

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jobs in the UK? Do you think Labour voters, particularly in northern

:38:20.:38:22.

heartlands, will also be worried about immigration and the fact you

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are pledging and would like the UK to remain within the single market,

:38:27.:38:31.

which would mean freedom of movement, as it stands now? Many

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Labour voters back Brexit because they want to see immigration fall.

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Do you want to see the numbers fall? I don't think immigration policy

:38:40.:38:44.

should drive economic policy. That's not what I asked, would you like to

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see the immigration numbers fall? A lot of voters in those working-class

:38:50.:38:52.

northern constituencies you are talking about would be concerned if

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we went into recession because we don't have access to a single

:38:56.:38:59.

European market. Jeremy Hosking talking about a migration impact

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fund... -- Jeremy Hunt 's been talking. I don't see how a putting

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these are the tree figures out that helps the case, it hasn't helped the

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Tories. Because Labour voters want it. They have failed to do that.

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Labour voters backing Brexit wanted to see fewer people coming here?

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Labour voters who voted to leave the EU wanted us to leave the European

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Union. I think there are other issues going on. People were annoyed

:39:28.:39:31.

about the fact you can't get decent housing in this country, that wages

:39:32.:39:34.

have been stagnant for years, that London and the south-east appears to

:39:35.:39:40.

be booming and elsewhere cities are being left behind. These are not

:39:41.:39:43.

self correcting issues, you need a government intervening to deal with

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them and that is why the Labour Party has a stronger offer in these

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areas. Thank you. Back to you, Andrew, in Birmingham.

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Thank you. The Defence Secretary has announced

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that UK troops will be protected from future

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"vexatious" legal claims. The change in policy means

:39:58.:39:58.

parts of the European Convention on Human Rights -

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or ECHR - could be suspended Here's what Michael Fallon

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had to say earlier. Much of the litigation that we face

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comes from the extension of the European convention on human rights

:40:17.:40:25.

to the battlefield. That has been damaging our troops, damaging

:40:26.:40:28.

military operations and costing the taxpayer millions that should be

:40:29.:40:31.

invested in defence itself. APPLAUSE So I can announce today that in

:40:32.:40:47.

future conflicts we intend to Dehra great front that European

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convention. That will protect in future our

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Armed Forces from many of the industrial scale claims we have seen

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coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I want to be clear, this is not

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about putting our Armed Forces above the law. They wouldn't want that.

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They have to comply with the criminal law of this country, and of

:41:20.:41:24.

course with the Geneva conventions. Serious claims must be investigated,

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but spurious claims will be stopped and our Armed Forces will now be

:41:31.:41:34.

able to do their job fighting their enemy and not the lawyers. APPLAUSE

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That was Michael Fallon talking to the conference earlier this morning.

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I am joined by the Defence Secretary now. Welcome to the Daily Politics.

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This has been spun as a great announcement, but we have always

:41:52.:41:56.

been able, if we chose, to get out of the European convention when

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going into a conflict and it's just we haven't chosen to do it. It is

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nothing new? Yes it is. We have to change the law. We have to get

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Parliament to vote an amendment to the Human Rights Act allowing us to

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do this in future conflicts. This is a big decision today, the big day

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for our military. We will be asking Parliament to ensure in future

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conflicts the government of the day will have the power, the power, to

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do so. What do you do if Parliament says no, we don't want to give you a

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blank cheque. We will just vote on a conflict by conflict basis? That is

:42:32.:42:37.

not how the convention is constructed. Other countries have

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done this before. For the French state of emergency, not for a

:42:44.:42:47.

foreign conflict. And it was very necessary. But the convention was

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drawn up to deal with foreign conflict. It was drawn up, as you

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well know, after the war for those countries that had been fighting

:42:55.:42:59.

each other. It was never envisaged to extend the battlefield overseas

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and we will stop that. Why do you think no country has sought this in

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advance of a conflict? They haven't been subject to this industrial

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scale fighting of spurious allegations. Several thousand

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allegations have been made up and pushed through the system against

:43:18.:43:21.

our troops years after the alleged offences. If they are spurious why

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has your department paid so much out in compensation? Because under the

:43:30.:43:33.

convention you have to do that, otherwise the court would rule

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against you and that is precisely the point. I think we have paid out

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some ?20 million in some 300 cases. 326 cases. We had to settle when we

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shouldn't have had to because the convention applied. We will this

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apply the convention in the right to liberty. If someone is firing on

:43:56.:43:58.

British troops and they then detain them, they shouldn't be able to sue

:43:59.:44:02.

for loss of liberty, while you're arresting them, trying to find out

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who they are, who they are working with, gather vital intelligence. We

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must stop that kind of nonsense. Are you telling our viewers this morning

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your department paid out ?20 million in compensation to people who don't

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deserve it? We have had to because of the court system and convention,

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and that has been the past. 20 million? We are taking action today

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to make defence budget money is spent on our Armed Forces, not

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paying off these spurious cases. Are they all spurious, the 20 million?

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We've had thousands of cases of people who have said they are suing

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us... 326 you settled, there must be something going on where there is

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some merit? I don't understand why the department would have used

:44:49.:44:51.

taxpayers money in such a cavalier way if these cases were without

:44:52.:44:56.

merit? Because otherwise they could rest on the European Convention, the

:44:57.:45:00.

articles about the right to liberty, to say they've been detained in

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properly and they would have been able to do that through the courts.

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We are going to stop that. There were cases where our Army detained

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people improperly? Where there are serious cases they need to be

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investigated. Our Armed Forces wouldn't want this, nobody would say

:45:17.:45:20.

they be above law but there is criminal law of the United Kingdom

:45:21.:45:24.

and the Geneva Convention. Our Armed Forces have to respect that and will

:45:25.:45:27.

go on respecting in the future, after we've done this.

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What you say to the Army's former chief legal adviser in Iraq, he says

:45:32.:45:41.

genuine grievances would not have come to light if it hadn't been for

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this? I don't agree with that. It is important they can't be investigated

:45:49.:45:51.

properly, when you are cluttered up with several thousand allegations

:45:52.:45:54.

which have no basis in fact. If there are serious allegations they

:45:55.:46:00.

will be pursued. He was the chief legal adviser in Iraq. Well, he was.

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He thought without the conventions application serious cases of

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wrongdoing would not have come to light. Serious cases can still be

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pursued because as I said, the Armed Forces will remain subject to our

:46:16.:46:21.

law and must comply with the Geneva conventions, international

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humanitarian law and the Law of armed conflict. Why have you done

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nothing for those who have already been pursued? We are doing

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something, we are putting more resources into the investigation to

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get rid of the spurious claims and we have got rid of over 1000 already

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and we threw another thousand out by January and there will only be a few

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hundred left of the original 3000 and then we will have a time limit,

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so no you claims can emerge and we will tackle the culture and we have

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already had one of these law firms pursued through the solicitors

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tribunal for making false allegations and that firm has been

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shut down. Based in Birmingham, no less. Yes, but no longer. They felt

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they were lettering out to dry by the army, some of the soldiers have

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said, what are you doing about that? -- they felt they were hung out to

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dry. We will give them support and we will do our best to protect them

:47:30.:47:33.

as they go through that process. We will make sure that in future

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complex they would be subject to this kind of nonsense -- conflicts.

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This will have to go to the House of Lords. What happens if they say they

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aren't giving you a blank cheque and it wasn't in the manifesto and they

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would rather do this on a conflict by conflict basis? It was in our

:47:50.:47:55.

manifesto, there was a very clear commitment to tackle the nonsense of

:47:56.:47:59.

what is called law fair. But not to derogate from the EC HR. The

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manifesto did not say you were derogate from the EC HR, correct?

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The manifesto said we would tackle law fair and this is part of

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tackling law fair and I would expect the House of Lords to support it and

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I would expect the former service chiefs to welcome this announcement

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and I would expect the House of Commons to support it. How much of a

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toll is the continuing fall in sterling taking on your defence

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budget question mark given how much we buy overseas. -- defence budget?

:48:37.:48:43.

There are fluctuations. More than a fluctuation, it is a one-way street

:48:44.:48:48.

since the 23rd of June. This is how the graft goes. Like any large

:48:49.:48:54.

organisation, we take precautions against movements in the currency,

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and you would expect us to do that because we purchase a lot of

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equipment in dollars. You would expect us to protect our position

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and we will go on doing so. Does Philip Hammond have to give you a

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top up to account for the fall in sterling? We have a defence budget

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which is going up each year at the moment and that is a protection.

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While sterling is going down. It is going ahead in real terms ahead of

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inflation, and we are relatively fortunate compared with other

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colleagues whose budgets are going down, but we do purchase a lot in

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dollars and we take the precautions. Michael Fallon, thanks for joining

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us. That was the Defence Secretary in Birmingham, and now back to

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London. We are going to see Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary. She will

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be talking about immigration no doubt in her speech to the

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conference. And she announced she is going

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to look at new ways to bring Right, I think we are slightly

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delayed, but hopefully she will appear very shortly on your screen.

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As you know the Conservative Party was elected on a manifesto

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commitment to reduce net migration to sustainable levels and that means

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tens of thousands, not the hundreds of thousands. My commitment to you

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today is that I will be working with colleagues across government to

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deliver this. But I'm also here to level with you, conference, this

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will not happen overnight. Leaving the EU is just one part of the

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strategy we have to look at all sources of immigration if we mean

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business. I'm announcing today that from December landlords that

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knowingly rent out property to people who have no right to be here

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will be committing a criminal offence and they could go to prison.

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APPLAUSE Furthermore from December

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immigration checks will be a mandatory requirement for those

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wanting to get a license to drive a taxi. APPLAUSE

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And from next autumn banks will have to do regular checks to make sure

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they are not providing essential banking services to illegal

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migrants. I can announce today we will shortly be consulting on the

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next steps needed to control immigration. We will be looking

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across work and study groups and this will include examining whether

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we should tighten and test -- the test companies have to take before

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recruiting from abroad. British businesses have given the economic

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recovery in this country with employment at record levels but we

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still need to do more. All British people therefore get the

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opportunities they need to get on in life. The test should make sure

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people coming here are filling gaps in the Labour market and not taking

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jobs that British people could do. That was Amber Rudd. Home Secretary.

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"A bid for the weakest joke of Tory conference",

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"a half hour cringe, my face has just about returned to normal"-

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those were just some of the reviews of the jokes to come

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out of the Tory Conference speeches yesterday.

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But were critics being overly harsh on the Conservatives'

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We sent Adam out to test the gags with the Birmingham public.

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Last week it was a Jeremy Corbyn joke book but now it is a bag of

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gags from Tory party conference speeches which we will try out on

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commuters at Birmingham new Street station. This is the Culture

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Secretary, Darren Bradley. If you think I want to read more

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spreadsheets, your grip on reality is as loose as Jeremy Corbyn's. If

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that meant to be funny? -- is that meant. OK. This is a joke from

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Philip Hammond. Did you know that Ed Balls was not the first choice for

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sticky come dancing, it was Jeremy Corbyn, but then they found out it

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was the case that he had two left feet -- Strictly Come Dancing. This

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is a joke from Andrea Leadsom. Agriculture Secretary. We are

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determined to improve mobile phone coverage and out superfast broadband

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and I know how frustrating it is to search with a single bar of signal,

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worse still if you can't get into your Pokemon account. That was the

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joke. Not impressed, really. How many Shadow Cabinet members does it

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take to change a light bulb? No one knows because the light bulb has

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outlasted all of them. Fairly good. Imagine Labour win the 2020 general

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election, Jeremy Corbyn is in Downing Street raising a red flag

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and John McDonnell is raising every taxi can find an Ken Livingstone is

:54:33.:54:38.

perched in the back-seat of the prime ministerial car. Tony Blair

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and Gordon Brown is in the boot. Well, every cloud has a silver

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lining. To get to the top woman has to be twice as good as a man, but

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fortunately that is not very difficult. I don't get this Yuma,

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man. Fair enough. -- humour. He had a point. I'm not sure I get it

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either. With us is Geoff Norcott,

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an openly pro-Tory comedian who hit Edinburgh Fringe with his show

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'Conswervative' this summer. And the Labour comedian Ahir Shah

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who today kicks off his show As a Tory comedian you are a rare

:55:11.:55:26.

species? Yes, not completely unique, but I'm the only one stupid enough

:55:27.:55:31.

to go to Edinburgh and talk about it for a month. Did you get lynched?

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No, but I did get some strange looks. There was a sense of morbid

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curiosity. Novelty item? Yeah. Given what we have seen in Birmingham so

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far and the conference speeches, is it any wonder there are not many

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Tory comedian 's question -- questions? -- Tory comedians? Yes, I

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don't imagine they remember the first time Pokemon came round, and

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to think they have kept up with the Apple -based phenomenon. Being a

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mother probably hindered her because she was probably too clued up. You

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kids with your Britpop and your mega drives. Is it easier for you as a

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left-leaning comedian? I don't know, but there are probably more Tory

:56:29.:56:33.

voting comedians than would be honest about it. At some clubs I

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would not regarded as bastions of left-wing humour. Certainly. But

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being a political comedian from the left is slightly easier. Why? The

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left's earnestness, you could say, does that mean you are funny? It is

:56:52.:56:55.

easy at the moment because we are losing so badly. Stand-up comedy is

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aways funnier when the comedian is the loser in this situation and for

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a left as moribund as it is at the moment, punching up is very easy.

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Not good for Labour, but funny. In terms of material. Yes, fantastic.

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In terms of material, you haven't enough, but there is Boris Johnson.

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Yes, there is Boris. The Tories are putting a lot of eggs in his basket

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immediately ended you were booking the conference as a gig, he would be

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on last. -- in his basket, and if you were booking the conference.

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There was something very abstract from him, I thought he could have

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taken it further, speculating on what kind of ice creams we could

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have had under Jeremy Corbyn. Maybe a chocolate would be seen as a

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bourgeois asset. They have gone for Jeremy Corbyn, but they have not

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really got him. Liam Fox said there is nothing funny about Jeremy

:58:06.:58:10.

Corbyn, but he looks like Obi-Wan Kenobi, a cross between him and

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Albert Steptoe, I think there is plenty funny about Jeremy Corbyn.

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Theresa May question what everything she is doing -- Theresa May? I'm so

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depressed by everything she says, I've not found anything funny or

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stop by family in India -- my family in India find it quite funny,

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because they are enamoured with the idea of Britain destroying itself or

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by next August it will probably be fine. Across the dispatch box, she

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did do the remind you of anybody. It was a bit intense. The joke was

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fine. Theresa May doesn't have to be funny, she has grabbed has and that

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is OK, I suppose. Thank you very much. -- Gravett has.

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On the day that sterling plunged to record low levels against the

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dollar. But I'll be back with the highlights

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from Birmingham at 11.15 tonight, and back tomorrow at 11am for a two

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hour special and Theresa May's first Although Olly's the reason

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I started making this film,

:59:30.:59:44.

Andrew Neil is joined by work and pensions secretary Damian Green and defence secretary Michael Fallon at the Conservative Party conference in Birmingham. Plus Jo Coburn talks to Labour's Jon Ashworth about their response to the government's policy announcements this week.


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