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Morning folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.


Record numbers of patients facing long waits in A and dangerously


high levels of bed occupancy - why is this winter proving worst


It was supposed to be Jeremy Corbyn's big re-launch -


so why did it end in confusion about the party's policy


Will the Labour leader do any better at the despatch box today


as he takes on Theresa May in the first Prime Minister's


We'll bring you that live and uninterrupted at midday.


Jared is a very successful real estate person, but I actually think


he likes politics more than he likes real estate,


I'm going to tell you, and he's very good at politics.


And Donald Trump has been accused of nepotism over the appointment


But is it sometimes better to keep it in the family?


We'll ask Neil and Christine Hamilton.


All that in the next 90 minutes of the finest public service


broadcasting you'll have seen in 2017.


And with us for the duration today - two MPs who obviously wanted


to start the New Year with a work out for old grey matter


in the interrogational boot camp that is the Daily Politics -


Wrote that? I could barely say it! It was a struggle but we got through


it! Work and Pensions Secretary,


Damian Green and his Shadow, First this morning -


the Royal College of Nursing has said that conditions in the NHS


are the worst they have ever experienced, and in a letter


to the Prime Minister 50 leading doctors have warned the prime


minster that lives are being put Charities working with elderly


people said long-term solutions were needed,


with a similar call from a group of Conservative, Labour


and Lib Dem MPs this morning. So how bad are things this winter


in the NHS in England and what's Much of the focus has been


on England's A departments, with hospitals struggling to meet


the target that they treat or discharge 95% of patients


within four hours. Since the start of December,


hospitals have seen only 82.3% of patients within this time -


the worst performance since a target Over the last decade,


there's been a substantial increase in the number


of patients turning up at A In 2015-16, five million more people


passed through the doors Most of the increase


in attendance has been at minor injuries departments,


and this week Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt reiterated statistics


that show a third of people attending A are only


in need of advice. A shortage of GP appointments -


and problems with the NHS 111 advice line - could be contributing


to the increase in the number But more fundamentally the size


of the UK population has grown - partly because of immigration,


but also because people The number of people aged 90


plus has almost tripled Research shows older people tend


to have higher rates of A attendance and are also more likely


to need a hospital bed. Patients waiting for admission tend


to wait longer in A, especially Last month the NHS reported


dangerously high levels of bed occupancy, with 94.7% of beds full -


well above the "safe" Local councils and charities


have said a lack of investment in social care means


many older people are stuck in Official figures suggest this


affects a third of patients. While the government has said that


councils will be able to raise an extra 3% this year and 3% next


year for spending on social care, council leaders called


it a sticking plaster, and are demanding


a longer-term solution. Thank you. Damian Green, the


government says that the problem is caused by unprecedented demand, on


NHS services. What causes that? Some of it is what you have been talking


about, pressure is always high, there is a permanent pressure on the


NHS, it is high in winter... But we know that when winter comes... And a


rising population. What causes this unprecedented demand? The


unprecedented demand is partly due to rising populations, as you have


just said, and things the government is addressing, not just inside of


the NHS where we spend more money, we have met demands for Simon


Stephens plan... We will come back to that... But also there is the


social care aspect. We will come to that... You say the demographics,


people are living longer which creates a pressure, people tend to


use more health care in their later years. You have failed to control


migration, quite a lot of migrants come to the country and they do not


have doctors and A in there... But even young people get old.


Demographics and migration, both are entirely predictable, they don't


come out of the blue, why didn't you plan for them? We did, specifically


this year, you were right about winter, we could see it coming and


we did. We spent ?400 million last autumn on a specific plan for this


winter, and... Why isn't it working? It is, in some ways. Interestingly,


if you go below the surface of the figures, it is how patchy these


problems are. Clearly there are problems there and there have been


some bad events but, you find they are concentrated in a relatively


small area. It is not a straightforward NHS problem but in


19 specific areas. But some of this unprecedented demand is caused by


things in the pipeline for years, we were entirely able to enter is about


them. You say it is working but in one week this month already, three


times the number of people have had to wait for more than 12 hours on a


trolley than in the whole of January last year, three times the number!


12 hours on a trolley! In one week... How is that working? We can


swap statistics. As it happens... That is a human story, not a


statistic. As you mentioned, Jo, bed occupancy figures were lower at


Christmas this year than last year. Bed blocking is up 25% in two years.


The OECD statistic there. It is three times bigger than other


countries. Three times bigger than Denmark, twice as big as Norway. It


is a real problem and is caused, I would suggest, because you, in your


funding formula, slashed social care to councils? But actually, we are


increasing social care funding... I'm sorry, Minister, that is just


not true. You are increasing it after you cut it, you cut local


government funding by 37% and the result is, social care funding has


been cut by 25%. The figures are quite dramatic on this. The number


of days people had to wait for a care home is up 224%, 260 care homes


have closed! But, that is why we've introduced both the better care


fund, which is straightforward national funding, and the allowance


for local councils to increase this... I will come to you in a


moment, but I think you appreciate what I'm doing here. Yes. That is


try to hold the government to account, you are increasing some


money now but after you have slashed it and the increases will in no way


compensate for the slashing of this. The amount of people who cannot get


back out of hospital, and into social care, it is just growing and


growing. The Royal College of Physicians is paralysed by


spiralling demand going on. You have shut daycare centres, for the


elderly and disabled. 260 daycare centres have closed. An elderly


woman died after 35 hours on a trolley. In Britain, in 2016. In the


fifth richest country in the world. She died after 35 hours on a


trolley. And your government has spent ?5 million on the Ethiopian


Spice Girls. How does it work? We have stopped spending that now. I'm


happy to defend the aid budget... 35 hours on a trolley... Absolutely


that is unacceptable, nobody thinks it is acceptable. But the point


about the social care fund is that the raw parts of the country where


there is not bed blocking -- there are parts. But there are always


parts! But they are significant parts. The idea that there is a


uniform national problem is simply not the case. I do not need to be


remotely partisan on that. To pick two areas where there is not a


problem with bed blocking and social care, one is Rutland, a pretty Tory


area, the other is Barnsley which is as Labour as you can get.


Local authorities are coping with their NHS trusts, and some are doing


better than others. But the overall picture is... Let me bring in Labour


here. There's clearly a major problem. Money does not grow on


trees but it is clear that social care and the NHS need more money,


where'd you get it from? It is about the choices you make. We heard the


promised during the EU referendum about ?350 million a week being made


available to the NHS. Of course, that was not the government promised


that... We had not left the EU yet! The government has been a bit


disingenuous in terms of the amount of investment that they have put


into the NHS, ?4.6 billion instead of the ?10 billion that they


actually... That is the health select committee? You are absolutely


right about social care funding, 4.6 million cut since 2010. In my own


area of Oldham, what used to be one quarter of the budget and social


care is now three quarters and they will not go anywhere near addressing


the problem. Let's put it to you. You have cut social care budgets


because of the huge 37% cuts to local authorities which has resulted


in a 25% cut in social care. And, you are actually in the process of


increasing NHS spending, in real terms, by much less than ?10


billion. It's not that, if you look at the 2014-15 figure, the NHS


budget was about ?99 billion but by 2021 it will be about 120 billion,


we will have gone up about ?10 billion in real terms. Those are the


facts... What do you say to that? We are back to this situation of the


1990s, well below the EU average in terms of percentages spend, and we


have brought it up now. That is the title, not government spending. I


understand that but the OECD figures are comparable. It is less. France


and Germany are 11, Switzerland 11.5, Sweden is 11. That is private


and... And we have a growing population... Few European countries


are growing as fast as we are per capita, and we are on track to


overtake Germany's population by 2025. The point that Jo makes is


that by per capita spending on health, it is falling under your


government. But what is important is the outcome, that's the point I'm


making... But we are failing on that as well! No, we aren't. What you


mentioned recently was our target. Look at Europe, does anyone else


match it? You have essentially abandoned the four our target. We


are at 80%. But hold on, Minister. One in four people wait for more


than four hours in A That is for emergency care. It was not Jeremy


Hunt but the director of acute services in the NHS who said that


30% of people turn up at A who do not have an emergency. The point is,


nobody else even aspires to get this target. But what is the point in


getting a target that you cannot hit for one in four people? 80,000


people waited 12 hours or more on a trolley. Last week. 485 people had


to wait for more than 12 hours? That is not... Your target. If they are


waiting for emergency care of course that is not good enough. But at 85%,


we are in the high 80s. But the point is, you say that somehow we


are worse than other comparable European countries, other comparable


European countries do not aspire to do what the NHS does. They have much


better health outcomes, cancer recovery rates are far higher,


higher in almost every measure of output. Germany, France,


Scandinavian countries, they are better than us and we are around


Slovenia and the Czech Republic. We are addressing those specifics


and the cancer bond is getting better, stroke services are getting


better. We are addressing those issues which have been there for


decades. Cuts in public and mental health... We are spending more money


on mental health. We had better leave it there.


So - it was supposed to be Jeremy Corbyn's big relaunch day.


In the wake of the success of political insurgents


like Donald Trump, could the Labour advisors sprinkle the same magic


Well, yesterday they scheduled a major speech setting out


the party's Brexit policy, alongside a series


However, on the Today programme, Jeremy Corbyn got diverted


into talking about pay, saying he would like to see


a "high earnings cap", suggesting it could cover


Later on, he had to clarify his plans, suggesting


for companies bidding for government contracts.


On the issue of Brexit, it had been briefed that Labour


would no longer be "wedded to freedom of movement for EU citizens"


but, in an interview with Laura Kuenssberg,


Corbyn suggested he was still comfortable with the number


We've asked you previously whether or not you think


the levels are too high, and you've said that you don't think


the levels are too high, and for many of your supporters


that is a proud principle that you've always stuck to.


No. My mind is quite clear, that we need to end the exploitation


that is going on, we need to maintain market access


within Europe and we need to ensure there are good relations


Debbie Abrahams, where does Labour now stand on freedom of movement for


EU citizens? Should it end or continue? What Jeremy was setting


out was that we needed to recognise that they needed to be flexibility


in our labour market. You didn't see the whole interview. But he doesn't


clarify exactly. On that point, he was meant to say that Labour was not


wicked -- wedded to the principle of the EU's freedom of movement rules,


but he went on to say that they wouldn't rule it out. So should it


end or carry on? What he was trying to say is that we need to value our


migrants. They contribute ?20 billion to the economy. One in five


care workers comes from Europe. 135 -- 130,000 doctors and nurses. They


are an invaluable part of society and the economy and we need to


recognise that. We can't cut off our noses to spite our faces. We need to


recognise the contribution migrants make to the economy and not during


the negotiations scupper any potential... So you are underlining


what Jeremy Corbyn said, which is that he doesn't rule out keeping EU


freedom of movement in exchange for full access to the single market. He


wants to make sure these are part of the negotiations. That is important.


The speech was supposed to answer some of the concerns of Labour


voters about levels of immigration. Does the Labour Party pose


uncontrolled migration to the UK? No, we don't. There are controls in


terms of migration. And we need to make sure that we continue those. So


you want the levels of immigration, you are happy, like Jeremy Corbyn


said in that clip, that levels of immigration to the UK are not too


high? We must make sure that any controls around immigration could


potentially affect the economy. Nobody voted to potentially damage


the economy. They wanted to make sure they will do better for


themselves and their families, and we need to be careful about this.


Can I say also, about the tone of the debate around this. There has


been some deplorable language, which has really cast aspersions around


migrants. Goodwillie has vilified migrants. -- it really has vilified.


People want to know the policy of the Labour Party, and Jeremy Corbyn


was supposed to make that clear yesterday, but I put to you that


Labour MPs and voters are still confused. Does the Labour Party want


levels of immigration to come down? Yes, we do. How much? We can't state


that. Do you have an aspiration? 1.3 million workers employed from


recruitment agencies. That figure isn't monitored by the government.


But we know that in 2007 there are estimates that one in seven of those


agency workers came from Europe. If you ended the worker exploitation,


which Jeremy Corbyn talked about and you are alluding too, how many fewer


people would you like to see coming to the UK? I think this is a red


herring. You don't think that Labour voters would like to know that the


Labour Party is committed, either by curbs or freedom of movement to EU


citizens or by dealing with exploitation, that they would like


to see a lower figure? Yes, we would. But Jeremy Corbyn says he is


happy, and the levels are not too high. It isn't helpful to talk about


ratios and numbers. That is for the reasons the Tory doesn't have found.


I understand they missed their target but, it Jeremy Corbyn is


saying he is happy the present levels and they are not too high,


but you have said you would like to bring those levels down. Jeremy said


that it is about making sure we stop recruitment solely from abroad. We


don't have a number. The government doesn't keep a number of how many EU


migrants come directly from these recruitment agencies. If 1.3


million, potentially, 600,000 have come from Europe, that gives an


estimate, but we don't know how reliable that figure is, so it would


be responsible... But Jeremy Corbyn is happy with the current level. If


we jeopardise the level of migration at the moment, we could potentially


impact on the economy. We can't do that. The speech was breached at a


change of policy and emphasis Labour, a change of direction for


Jeremy Corbyn, and in the end he stuck to the principles he has


always held there, which may be fine, but it wasn't what we were


told was going to happen. We've got to move on because we are short of


time. We can come back to it. A call for a cap on maximum salaries. Was


that something you discussed with him in Shadow Cabinet? We had Shadow


Cabinet yesterday morning and we certainly discussed it. You


discussed this idea of a cap for maximum salaries? We discussed the


idea of inequality around salary. Barry Gardiner said he had discussed


it at Shadow Cabinet with Jeremy Corbyn, so was there a specific


discussion? I can't be sure if Barry was there or not but we certainly


did discuss it. If you look at the context of the interview, it was


about the inequalities. We know that 7.4 working people, 7.4 million


working people are living in poverty, three out of four children,


4 million children are from working families. It isn't right that a


chief executive from a top company is earning 130 times the average


worker. Wright so you would like to see a maximum cap for CEOs of


private companies and footballers and bankers, as Jeremy Corbyn


suggested? It isn't right... So why did he wrote back? In the morning,


he said that a cap on salaries for chief executives and footballers, I


think was the other example he used but, by the afternoon, he had


changed his position to ensuring it would be bosses of companies with


government contracts, that they could earn more than 20 times the


pay of junior staff. Why did he change his position? I listened to


the interview and snippets have been played. No, there was a clear


change. In the morning, he said he wanted a general, maximum cap on


salaries in private and public sectors. In the afternoon, he


singled out the public sector and said it should be a ratio of 20 to


one. No, he didn't. He said it was a rat inequality. In the context of


high executive pay, it wasn't right. -- it was around inequality. In the


morning, he said, I'd back capping the maximum salaries of football. In


the afternoon, I want to ensure bosses of companies with government


contracts cannot earn 20 times their junior staff. That was adding to the


general direction. So he will do both? We are looking at a policy


document and when we have our manifesto I will come back and


explain in detail. This was the development of our thinking on a


ratios. Edge economic advisers said it was a lunatic -- lunatic idea and


unworkable. What do you say to that? We need to follow the evidence and


that is what we intend to do as part of policy development.


Now - we've learned more about the Queen's


Not only is Her Majesty said to be an avid viewer of this programme,


it turns out that she is also a fan of a quiz show called "Pointless".


The Queen is said to have stumbled upon it whilst waiting to watch


Not an "appointment to view" programme like this one then.


And, I'm told, it doesn't offer you the opportunity to win one


of these prized receptacles either - no wonder it's called "Pointless".


So - Ladies, gentlemen, your majesty - if you are looking


for something to drink from whilst watching the Daily Politics or even


Pointless, we're not fussy, let us know when this happened.


And this film does contain some flashing images.


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Party leadership apparently said that they would endorse him


as a candidate in a future election, which I find extraordinary.


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It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -


The first Prime Minister's Questions of 2017 is coming up. Laura


Kuenssberg is here. Happy New Year to you. I must surely be right in


assuming that Mr Corbyn will go on the NHS. I think for once we can


assume that Jeremy Corbyn will go on the subject not just of the day but


the New Year. They are the day, there has been a drumbeat getting


louder and louder of warnings about the strain in the NHS. It is way


beyond the usual lobbying you see from interest groups, and it can't


be dismissed, not least because you now have a cross-party group of MPs,


former Health Secretary 's, Labour, Tory and Lib Dem is now really


trying to grapple with this idea and push Theresa May into considering a


big conversation, a national convention on the future of the NHS.


As we talked about on this programme many times, privately, many


politicians say, we've got to have a conversation about whether the NHS


can continue and be sustainable in its current form forced publicly,


not many of them are willing to say that in the record, but Jeremy Hunt


this week said that we have to have an honest debate about A in


particular, and I think that was a significant moment. And that would


be part of a long-term preparing the NHS for the 21st century. It


wouldn't help those waiting on trolleys at the moment. Is their


concern on Tory backbenches that this was an entirely predictable set


of events and that the May government, its first really big


challenge outside breakfast, has not really anticipated or dealt with it?


I think there is concern on the Tory benches and, as we have said many


times, there is a lot of concern among Tory councillors, many of whom


have gone on the record to say, look, this crunch of cuts in council


budgets, directly affecting the provision of social care, combined


with demographics, is a car crash. Central government so far, beyond


the precept, allowing councils to charge a bit more on council tax,


they haven't grapple with what many people see as a yawning gap between


the amount of resources needed on the ground and what is available. It


is worth saying, and what Number Ten consistently says, is that there is


more to it than that because, if you look at different parts of country,


there are different outcomes. Which is the point Damian Green was making


when I interviewed him. I imagine Theresa May may make that response


today, if she is pressed on this issue, as we expect she will be. The


other difficulty for the NHS in calling for more money, which


Theresa May is referred to publicly many times, which might go some way


to explaining the front page of the Times today, which suggests Number


Ten have been stirring the pot against the NHS chief executive,


Simon Stevens. They have set on the record that the NHS asked for an


amount of money and they were given the amount of money they asked for


so, for them to come back a year later and say it isn't enough, they


should take responsibility for that and deal with the cash better. What


they have actually done is dispute the amount of money so that doesn't


really agree with the government's figures. And it doesn't cover the


social care budget. Wright it was remarkable that the health budget


wasn't mentioned in the Autumn Statement. I would suggest he is


unlikely to get away with that in the budget, on March the 8th. One


senior minister has said to me, in the run-up to the Autumn Statement,


they didn't believe there would be more money available for the NHS in


the Autumn Statement but later in the year it was something they would


not be surprised to see. Let's go straight


The Prime Minister. This morning I had meetings with ministerial


colleagues and others in addition to my duties in this house, I will have


further meetings today. Happy New Year to you, Mr Speaker, let me


extend it to everyone in this house. It has been over six months since


European referendum and embarrassingly, for the Prime


Minister, the Scottish Government is the only administration on the


islands which have published a plan on what to do next. LAUGHTER


Has the Prime Minister read it yet? And, when will she be publishing her


own plan? Can I join the honourable gentleman in wishing everyone in the


house, not only members but the staff of the house a happy New Year.


Can I say that as I said to the liaison committee when I appeared in


front of them before Christmas, I will, in a matter of weeks, be


setting out more details of our proposals on the issue. I would like


to remind the honourable gentleman that when he talks about the


Scottish Government's plan, it is his party, the Scottish Nationalists


party, that wants to leave the UK and therefore the U. -- the EU. In


my constituency they employ over 1200 people in high skilled jobs,


Manufacturing nuclear fuel which generates 15% of the UK's


electricity. Do you agree that this industry is of crucial importance to


the Northwest economy and will you support the new generation of power


stations to guarantee jobs? I certainly agree with my honourable


friend that new nuclear has a crucial role to play in securing our


future energy needs, especially as we are looking to move to a low


carbon society. The industrial strategy that the government will be


setting out will have a strong emphasis on the role of regions in


supporting economic growth and ensuring the economy works for all.


Like my honourable friend I welcome the proposals from Toshiba to open a


new power station in Cumbria and they continue to work closely with


developers as they bring proposals forward. Jeremy Corbyn... Thank you,


Mr Speaker, it is nice to have such a warm welcome and may I wish all


members a happy New Year, as well as all members of staff in the house. I


hope the whole house will join me, I'm sure that they will, in playing


tribute to 22-year-old Lance Corporal Scott Hetherington who died


in a non-combat incident in Iraq last Monday, I'm sure that the whole


house will send condolences to family and friends of Katie Rough


who died in York this week, it is right to send condolences. Last


week, 485 people in England spent more than 12 hours on trolleys in


hospital corridors. The Red Cross described this as "A humanitarian


crisis". I call on the Prime Minister to come to Parliament on


Monday. She did not. She sent the Health Secretary, but she agree that


the best way of solving the crisis of the four-hour wait is fiddling


the figures so that people are not seem to be waiting so long on


trolleys in NHS hospitals? Well firstly, may I join the right


honourable gentleman in sending condolences to the family of Lance


Corporal Hetherington who died in a non-combat incident in Iraq, from


everything I have seen and read, he was a very fine young man. We were


delighted -- he was delighted to be in the Armed Forces and we are proud


that such a fine young man was in the Armed Forces. I also join the


right honourable gentleman in expressing condolences to the family


and friends of little Katie, who died so tragically. Now, he talks


about pressures on the NHS, and we acknowledge that there are pressures


on the national Health Service. There are always extra pressures on


the NHS over the winter, but of course we have at the moment added


pressures of the ageing population, and the growing complex needs of the


population. He refers to the British Red Cross term of a "Humanitarian


crisis" but I must say that we have all seen humanitarian crisis around


the world. And, to use that description of a national health


service... Which, last year, saw 2.5 million more people treated in A


than six years ago, was irresponsible and overblown. Mr


Speaker, 1.8 million people had to wait longer than four hours last


year in A departments. The Prime Minister may not like what the Red


Cross said, that on the same day, the British Medical Association said


conditions in hospitals across the country are reaching a dangerous


level. The Royal College of Nursing has said NHS conditions are the


worst ever. The Royal College of Physicians told the Prime Minister


that the NHS is underfunded, not enough doctors, and overstretched.


If she will not listen to the Red Cross, who will she listened to?


I've said to the right honourable gentleman that I have acknowledged


that there are pressures on the NHS, the government has put in extra


funding and the fact that we are seeing more people being treated in


our NHS, 2500 more people are treated within four hours every day


in the NHS because of the government adding extra funding and the hard


work of medical professionals in our NHS. But I also say to him it is not


just a question of targets in relation to the health service. We


continue to have a commitment, as the Health Secretary made clear, to


the four hour target. It is a question of making sure people are


provided with appropriate care for them and the best possible care in


their circumstances. Jeremy Corbyn! Mr Speaker, she seems to be in a


degree of denial about this and will not listen to professional


organisations who have spent their whole lifetime doing their best for


the NHS. But, can I ask if she will listen to Sian, who works for the


NHS. She has a 22-month-old nephew who went into hospital, there was no


bed and he was treated on two plastic chairs pushed together with


a blanket. She says one of the nurses told her sister that it is


always like this nowadays. She asks the question to all of us. Surely,


we should strive to do better than this? Does the Prime Minister and


Health Secretary think that this is an acceptable way of treating a


22-month-old child needing help? Shameful! I accept there have been a


small number of incidents... Where, an acceptable practices have taken


place. But, what matters, we do not want those things to happen, but


what matters is how you deal with them. That is why it is so important


that the NHS looks into issues where there are unacceptable incidents


which have taken place and learned lessons from them. But I come back


to the point I was making earlier. He talks of the hard-working health


care professionals, like Sian, in the NHS. And indeed, we should be


grateful for the work that all of those working in the NHS do, over


Christmas, we saw the busiest day ever in the NHS and over the few


weeks around Christmas, we saw the day where more people were treated


in A within four hours than had ever happened before. This is the


reality of the National Health Service. Jeremy Corbyn!


We all thanked NHS staff and praise them, but her government is


proposing through sustainability and transformation to cut one third of


beds in all of our hospitals in the very near future. On Monday, she


spoke about mental health, and doing more to help people, particularly


the young, with those conditions. I welcome that, except last night


the BBC revealed that over five years, there had been an 89%


increase in young people with mental health issues, having to go to A


departments. So, doesn't she agree that the 1.25 billion committed to


child and adolescent mental health in 2015 should have been ring


fenced? Rather than used as a resource to be raided to plug other


holes in other budgets within the NHS? If we look at what is happening


in relation to mental health treatment on the NHS we see 1400


more people every day accessing mental health services. When I spoke


about this issue on Monday, I said that there is, of course, more for


us to do. It is not a problem that will be


resolved overnight. I have set out ways in which we will see an


improvement in the services we see in relation to mental health but it


is about appropriate care for any individual and, as I mentioned


earlier, it is not just about A When I was in Aldershot on Monday, I


spoke to service users with mental health problems, who said that they


did not want to go to A, the provision of alternative services


has meant that the A locally has seen their numbers stabilising


rather than going up. It is about the appropriate care for the


individual, and we want to see good practice spread across the whole


country. Jeremy Corbyn! Mr Speaker, nobody wants people with mental


health conditions to go to A departments, A departments do not


want them to go there but under the government, there are 6000 nurses


fewer working in mental health, 400 fewer doctors working in mental


health, it is obviously they will go somewhere to get help when they are


in a desperate situation. Mr Speaker, our NHS is under a huge


pressure, and much of it is caused by cuts to social care. The Royal


College of Physicians has said that it is pushing more people into our


hospitals and trapping them there for longer. We'll be Prime Minister


do what my friend, the member for Leicester South has called for, and


bring forward the extra 700 million allocated in 2019 now into social


care so that we did not have this problem of people staying too long


in hospital when they should be cared for by a social care system?


The right honourable gentleman has asked me these questions before


Christmas in the last PMQs... He may find it difficult to believe that


somebody will say the same thing that they said a few weeks ago...


But... We have put extra money into social care. In the medium term, we


are ensuring that best practice is spread across the country, because


he talks about delayed discharge. There are some local authorities


working with their health service locally where there are virtually no


delayed discharges. 50%, half of the delayed discharges, are in only 24


local authority areas. What does that tell us? That it is not just


about funding but best practice. If the right honourable gentleman comes


back to me and talks about funding again, he should think on this. We


can only fun social care and the NHS if we have a strong economy with the


Conservatives! Mr Speaker, I'm sorry to have to bring the Prime Minister


back to the subject of social care which I raised before Christmas, the


reason I did so and will continue to do so is because she has not


addressed the problem! The government has cut ?4.6 billion from


social care budgets. The Kings fund says there is a social care funding


gap of ?2 billion almost this year. Earlier this week, the Prime


Minister said that she wanted to create a "Shared society". We


certainly have that. More people sharing hospital corridors on


trolleys! More people sharing waiting areas and A departments.


More people sharing an anxiety created by this government. Our NHS,


Mr Speaker, is in crisis but the Prime Minister is in denial. Can I


suggest to her, on the economic question, cancelled the corporate


tax cuts! Spend the money where it is needed, and people in desperate


need in social care, or in our hospitals! The right honourable


gentleman talks about crisis, I suggest that he listens to the


honourable member for Don Valley, a former Labour health minister, who


said the following. With Labour, it is always about crisis. The NHS is


on its knees, we had to be a bit more grown-up about this. And come


he talks to be about corporation tax. -- and he talks to me about


corporation tax and cuts, the Labour Party has already spent that money


eight times! The last thing the NHS needs is a check from Labour which


bounces, the only way we can ensure we have funding for the NHS is a


strong economy. Yesterday, the right honourable gentleman proved that he


was not only incompetent but would destroy our economy which would


devastate our NHS. Cyber bullying, sexting and revenge


pornography are part of British teenage life today, and so is a


rapid increase in mental health problems among our teenagers. How is


the Prime Minister helping to tackle the pressures teenagers face in


Britain today? My right honourable friend raises an important point,


and one of the things I spoke about when I spoke about mental health on


Monday was trying to ensure we can provide better training for staff


and teachers in schools to identify the early stages of mental health


problems for young people, so that those problems can be addressed. I


think it is something like half of all mental health problems start


before age 14, so it's a real issue we need to address. We are going to


look at how we can provide that training, and we will be looking at


a number of other ways and reviewing the mental health services provided


for young people to ensure we can identify what is working and make


sure that good practice is spread across the country. May I begin with


a tribute to father George Thompson, who died shortly before Christmas.


He led a remarkable life as a teacher, priest and SNP member for


Galloway. We extend our sympathies to his family. All of us in this


house and across these islands care about the peace process and the


democratic institutions in Northern Ireland, so may I wish the premise


done well, the Taoiseach, the Northern Secretary, the political


parties all the best in trying to resolve the serious political


difficulties there. Will the Prime Minister tell us what consequences


will be if no agreement be found? I join the honourable gentleman in


offering condolences to the family and friends of George Thompson, the


member for Galloway between 1974 and 1979. On the issue he has raised


about the situation in Northern Ireland, we are treating this with


the utmost seriousness, and as he will know the Northern Ireland


Secretary made a statement in this house earlier this week on this


issue. He has spoken to the First Minister and the former Deputy First


Minister and he is urging all parties to work together to find a


way forward. I have also spoken to the Taoiseach about this issue, so


we are putting every effort into this. The legislation is that, if,


within seven days, we don't have a nomination for a Deputy First


Minister, the matter would go to an election. The Prime Minister has


indicated that she wants to date the views of the elected representatives


and the devolved institutions on Brexit seriously. So it stands to


reason then that, if there is no Northern Ireland Assembly and there


is no Northern Ireland Executive for much of the time before the March


timetable she has set before invoking Article 50, that she will


be unable to properly consult, to fully discuss and find agreement on


the complex issues during this time period. In these circumstances, will


the Prime Minister postpone invoking Article 50? Will she postpone


Article 50, or will she just plough on regardless? It's about ensuring,


as he says, we all want to ensure that we do hear the views from all


parts of the UK. That is why we have established the GMC, European


committee, specifically to take the views and the GMC plenary, which is


also meeting more frequently than previously. First, we want to ensure


that, within this period of seven days, we can find a resolution to


the political situation in Northern Ireland so we can continue to seek


the assembly government continuing, but I am also clear that, in the


discussions we have, it will be possible and it is still the case


that actually ministers are in place and that obviously there are


executives in place, and we are still able to take the views of the


Northern Irish people. Closed question, Michael fabricant. Thank


you, Mr Speaker. Apologies. The fundamentals of the UK economy are


strong, including in Staffordshire and the West Midlands. Employment in


Staffordshire has risen by over 20,000 since 2010. We have protected


schools and police budgets and we have seen more doctors and nurses in


the Burton hospitals trust. We are going further than this in the West


Midlands by giving new powers to the region with the devolution deal and


the election of a directly elected mayor, and I think Andy Street, with


his business and local experience, would be a very good mayor for the


West Midlands. I think the Prime Minister for that answer.


Unemployment in my constituency, my beautiful Litchfield constituency,


is around 0.7%, which is fantastic, but I want it even lower. I have


found out that 24% of my constituents work in the area of the


West Midlands combined authority. So can I press my right honourable


friend just a little bit further about what she thinks is needed in


the West Midlands combined authority to improve employment still more?


Well, I think my honourable friend, and of course I have had the


advantage, having visited his beautiful constituency. In relation


to the Midlands, we have very strong ambitions to make the Midlands and


engine for growth in the UK. That is why we have plans for a Midlands


engine that demonstrates that, when we say we are going to build an


economy that works for everyone, we actually mean it. In the Autumn


Statement, ?5 million was confirmed for a Birmingham rail hub, 250


million Midlands engine investment funds, and we will shortly publish a


strategy for the Midlands engine, but I repeat that I think, for the


West Midlands, having the devolution deal, the mayor and the right person


elected as mayor, who I think we'll be Andy Street, is important. Sur


Ivan Rogers, in his resignation letter, said people may have to


deliver messages to the government that they may find disagreeable, so


here is one. Her lack of priority for the single market is putting


jobs in Scotland and the economy at risk. That means that government is


as big a threat to the union as the SNP. Her government is not worthy of


the trust Scots, let alone their blind trust, so will the Prime


Minister take this opportunity to apologise for threatening the union


and give a solemn promise to every single person in this country that


they will not be a penny worse off after a Tory Brexit? The honourable


gentleman will be well aware that I want to see the best possible trade


deal for the UK with the EU, the best possible deal for trading with


an operating in the single European market. When we enter the


negotiations, obviously that is one of the issues I have said I want to


see, and we will be out there and delivering on it. Unlike the


downplaying he does about the approach we are taking, it is


government that is ambitious for the opportunities available to this


country once we leave the EU. Cheshire schools in areas of reality


and high deprivation will receive some of the lowest per-pupil funding


rate in the country under the new proposed funding formula. -- in


rural areas. Does the Prime Minister agreed that these discrepancies must


be addressed to ensure that pupils in my area receive the best possible


start in life? I think everybody recognises that the way schools have


been funded in the past has been unfair and many pupils have missed


out, and that is why it is right for us to look at bringing forward a new


fair funding formula, making sure funding is attached to children's


needs. We recognise the issues of rural areas in this, which is why,


within the fair funding formula, additional funding for such schools


has been included, but of course the Department for Education as this out


for consultation at the moment and I would urge my honourable friend to


make a representation is part of that consultation. Dewsbury hospital


A is set for downgrade this year. Over Christmas, I had constituents


waiting over 20 hours for a bed, in a facility that might not even exist


next year. Would the Prime Minister now please face reality and act now


to stop this vital A service from disappearing? The honourable ladies


referring to the plans being put forward at local level to








decisions about services in the local area are rightly taken by the


local National Guard service, because we believe that it is local


clinicians and local patients and leaders who know what is less for


their area, so it is about trying to tailor services to provide the best


possible needs for local people, modernising care and facilities and


making sure the services are appropriate to the local area. This


trust has an extensive improvement plan to ensure both hospitals within


it can care for patients attending A within as timely a way as


possible. Next Thursday evening, I will host the first session of the


Bedford community business school, free of charge, open to all, with


250 local people sharing a passion for entrepreneurship and learning


tips about business from national and local business leaders, so will


my right honourable friend ensure that her forthcoming national


strategy is that it's part be passionate interests of Britain's


small business leaders and entrepreneurs? -- has at its heart.


I can absolutely give that commitment. The industrial strategy


will look to the economy of the future, what is the sort of economy


we want in this country, and crucial to that will be the growth generated


by entrepreneurs, small businesses and the very passion he speaks


about. We want to see an environment in which those who can grow can


emerge and develop and provide future jobs for people, so they can


contribute to the strength of the economy. That is what the industrial


strategy is about and I agree with my honourable friend. The Prime


Minister, I am sure, will understand, despite the


reassurances, that there are genuine and really serious concerns among


staff across the NHS and the care system and patients and their


families about the pressures they are under. It is for that reason


that MPs from her own party, from the Labour Party and my own have


come together to call for the government to establish an NHS and


care convention to engage with the public, so we can come up with a


long-term settlement for the NHS and care. Would the Prime Minister be


prepared to meet with us just to discuss it so she can hear our case?


I recognised the interest and attention the honourable gentleman


has given to these issues, and he is a former health minister himself and


I will be happy to meet with him and others as he suggests. There can be


nothing as distressing for a parent as the death of their child,


particularly where that child has been murdered. That is what happened


to the two ladies, one of them a constituent of mine, who set up


Justice After Acquittal, successfully campaigning for


voluntary national standards of support by the CPS and policed by


the families of murder victims following an acquittal. They are due


to be launched next Tuesday. -- for the families. Would the Prime


Minister join with me in paying tribute to determination and energy


with which they have campaigned, and will she continue to ensure that the


voices of the victims of crime and their families are always listened


to? My honourable friend raises an important point and I am happy to


join with him in paying tribute to these campaigners. I am sure the


whole house would want to pay tribute to the work they are doing.


I remain committed to ensuring that the voices of victims are heard.


That is what I did as Home Secretary, looking at issues such as


introducing new measures to tackle modern slavery, strengthening BIP


CC, legislating in relation to police complaint and discipline


systems to strengthen public confidence in policing, and I'm


pleased to say that the Home Secretary is taking that same


passion to ensure the voices of victims of crime are heard. --


strengthening the IPC C. Across the UK, many banks are accelerating


their closure of local branches, with adverse effects on vulnerable


and older people and the high street. The Royal Bank of Scotland


is closing down branches across Scotland, including Juniper Green in


my constituency. Local convenience stores are taking the strain,


processing bills and often facing exorbitant bank charges for the


privilege of doing that. Will the Prime Minister meet with me to


discuss how we can realise a situation where banking across the


UK services customers and the real economy? The issue of bank branches


and accessibility of bank services is one which is for individual banks


themselves to take and consider, and there are many ways in which people


are now accessing bank services other than going physically into a


branch, but I will certainly look at the issue she has raised. Building a


country that works for everyone means doing even more to tackle


economic and social deprivation that has come to afflict pockets of


seaside towns such as Rhyl in my constituency. Would the right


honourable friend support a locally developed plan to invest in rail


infrastructure to help unlock the true potential of the north Wales


and Mersey economic region as an integral part of the northern


powerhouse, connected to the rest of the country by the proposed a Harb


at Crewe? I welcome the establishment of the north Wales and


Mersey rail task force and the work they are doing. The plan he mentions


sets out an ambitious programme of improvements for the area. I am sure


they will prioritise the most promising option, but I can say that


the Department for Transport will continue to work closely with the


top force and the Welsh government to consider what can be jointly


accomplished. As pensions Minister, Steve Webb... The value of a single


rate pension. He also gave us the 2011 act. It is now deemed suitable


for a knighthood. Unless this couldn't take action to help the


struggling mostly women, that knighthood is a final insult to


these women. Action has been taken in relation to women's pensions. The


government took action to ensure that the number of people affected


and the period for which they were affected would be reduced, and money


was put in to that was possible, but I also say to the general -- the


honourable gentleman that, if you look at the new structure being put


in place, women will be some of the greater beneficiaries. I welcome the


Prime Minister raising the awareness of the importance of child mental


health this week. Not least because, last year, 65% of young people


requiring mental health support in south Warwickshire had to wait over


12 weeks before starting treatment. Can my right honourable friend


outline how the new proposals will By honourable friend raises an


important issue, we are investing more in mental health than ever


before, spending a record ?4 billion per year, and it was conservative


led government which introduced the parity of the scheme between mental


and physical health but there is more for us to do in ensuring that


we see the appropriate care available for people, and I cited


that example earlier where I saw excellent work being done to provide


care and support for people in the community. Which was relieving


pressure on accident and emergency and ensuring that people get the


best possible care for them which is obviously what we want to see.


Strained accident and emergency provisions in my constituency are


under review and further up the Cumbrian coast the community risks


losing 24 hour access to A and consultant led maternity from its


local hospital. I understand that she will save these decisions are to


be made locally but will she at least say that she can understand


the anxiety of expectant mothers who face a 40 mile journey on difficult


roads which are often blocked if they have a difficult birth? I say


to the honourable gentleman that I think the problems facing the health


service in Cumbria are widely recognised and I understand the


concerns of the local people in terms of services available to them.


We put robust national support in place to address long-standing


challenges in Cumbria and are developing a lasting plan to deliver


high-quality sustainable services which are what patients rightly


expect. He is right in that in relation to these decisions they are


taken locally, no final decisions have been taken. I recognise the


concern raised previously particularly about services at West


Cumberland Hospital and there will be considerable involvement in


taking these decisions but I recognise that there are


long-standing challenges for health service provisions in Cumbria.


Doctor Caroline Johnson... Thank you. I know from my career in


medicine that the men and women of our East Midlands Ambulance Service


do a brave and sterling job for the people of Sleaford and North Hykeham


and others, they save people's lives every day. East Midlands Ambulance


Service responded to a total of 11,662 999 calls over the Christmas


and bank holiday weekend alone. 2500 of which were in Lincolnshire. We'll


be Prime Minister join me in paying tribute to their dedication,


particularly over the busy winter period and say what more can be done


to support our Ambulance Services and improve response times in rural


areas like Sleaford and North Hykeham. Can I thank my honourable


friend for her question and bringing her personal experience as a medical


professional in relation to this issue, I am very happy to join her


in paying tribute to the men and women of the Ambulance Service and


the dedication and commitment that they show. She asked what the


government have been doing and we recognise that the Ambulance


Services are very busy which is why we see over 2000 more paramedics now


compared to 2010 and are increasing paramedic training places by over


60% this year. Also, the Department of Health, NHS employers and


ambulance unions have agreed changes in compensation for paramedics,


potentially giving them a pay increase of up to ?14,000 as they


progress but we recognise that excellent work. Can I commend the


Prime Minister for her considered statement last night, and indeed the


words she gave this afternoon. She knows our commitment to the


institutions in Northern Ireland but would she agree that nothing can be


or should be gained from threatening the peace process, the progress that


we have made, or the institutions that we have fought so hard to


sustain in Northern Ireland? Well, the progress that has been made in


Northern Ireland has been hard won. And we should all recognise that we


do not want to put that progress in jeopardy. That is why I think it is


so important for the government and all parties to work as hard as we


can to see a resolution to this issue, so there we can see a return


to the power-sharing institutions and ensure, as we say, that progress


that has been hard-won can be continued. Nicky Morgan... Hankey Mr


Speaker. Let me welcome what I said -- thank you Mr Speaker. Let me draw


attention to a burning injustice, a constituent of mine has been


battling cancer for four years, she is recovering from an operation and


has taken 28 weeks off work, and is on half pay. Her working tax credits


have been stopped so she is worrying about making ends meet rather than


her recovery. Can I ask my right honourable friend to look at this in


the Treasury in the course of budget preparations? Let me thank my right


honourable friend about the comments about mental health announcements


I've made. I'm sorry about the particular difficulties she has set


out that her constituent is experiencing and the distressed


cause -- the distress caused. These tax credits are designed to


incentivise people to increase working hours. We will be with the


universal credit system, having a system of benefits with single


streamlined payments which encourages work. In the individual


case my right honourable friend has raised, I'm sure the financial


Secretary to the Treasury would be happy to look at that case and the


issue that it has set out. Order... STUDIO: Prime Minister's Questions


comes to an end, the first of 2017. Jeremy Corbyn used all six of his


questions on the NHS, as we expected. Beginning with the number


of people waiting in trolleys and in hospitals, A, so on. A range of


medical institutions and representative bodies have been


mentioned, the Prime Minister decided to attack the Red Cross in


saying there was a humanitarian crisis which is why Jeremy Corbyn


then named other medical institutions, that were not the Red


Cross. I am not sure that the exchange produced anything that we


did not already know. Jeremy Corbyn moved on to social care cuts which


we have been discussing, before we went to PMQs. We did not any


indication, that the Prime Minister has any intention of changing policy


or adding more money, or whatever. But she has just decided to tough it


out. Jeremy Corbyn finished with remarks about the Prime Minister 's


speech, what she has called a "Shared society". Not Mr Cameron's


"Big society". He defined it as "Shared misery".


We will get comments shortly from the panel. But let's hear what you


thought. Jo, you have e-mails? A lot on the subject of the NHS.


And funding. Peter Kane said it was a strong performance from Jeremy


Corbyn but he faced an open goal, Theresa May struggle to face those


points. No doubt that health care cuts voters more than any other


issue. The choice of words was clear and rebuke for that organisation was


noteworthy. PMQs gave us a glance at the future of exchanges to come


between frontbenchers. Marjorie says that sadly Jeremy Corbyn 's


criticisms could be legitimate but how can we have confidence that he


could govern better? Easy to criticise but difficult to govern.


Noreen says that with cuts and the release of patients, why does no one


ask about putting up taxes to cover the problem? What did you make of


it? I think Theresa May struggled to come back with convincing answers on


what was going on in the NHS. It was interesting she acknowledged that in


her words there were a small number of cases where an acceptable things


had taken place. She's gone slightly further -- and unacceptable number


of things had taken place. A small number of things are going on which


are unacceptable, that could come back to haunt her, to some people it


would sound dismissive. The argument put forward on the other side...


Remember that why this matters so much, voters care hugely about the


NHS and David Cameron invested huge amount of political capital and


energy into detox of the Tories reputation on the NHS. He did not


completely overcome the perception of voters, Labour is seen as the


party of the NHS. And more trusted. There is a real danger for the


government of squandering some of the work that the previous


administration had gone into to try and get the Tories to catch up on


people's perceptions in terms of stewardship of the NHS. As you said,


at this stage, she does not seem willing to budge on how things have


gone but there is a big danger in it seems that she is putting her


fingers in her ears. Yesterday, the former Health Secretary Andrew


Lansley said on the programme or certainly suggested that Theresa May


had not quite grasp grasped the seriousness in this


issue. Nor the amount of money needed at one end of the social care


or A Is that the case? Certainly there is something in the suggestion


that the NHS is not one of her issues. She was at the Home Office


for a long time and understands those issues and security, she is


very familiar with that. It was suggested to me that there is not


necessarily a problem and people would not stated is that necessarily


but the NHS is not her turf, and it could well be that Number ten has


not been up for understanding the scale of the challenge that the NHS


faces but they do have a very strong defence. Simon Stephens asked for a


certain amount of cash and the government gave them it, as they


would argue. Of course, it is disputed... But it is hotly


disputed. By all sorts of people. In terms of political necessity,


there's a sense among some in government that for the moment, it's


kind of been dealt with. You were shaking head there? With that point


that in some way the Prime Minister does not regard the health service


as her issue, or an issue she wants to get involved in, actually it is


her first big speech of the year, it was about mental health and of


course she cares as much as anyone about the health service. She chose


to make this speech to illustrate her ideas about a shared society. On


the issue of mental health, which, for years, we've all been discussing


and agreeing that mental health is the Cinderella of the health


service, and dealing with one of the mystical parts of the NHS. I do


disagree with that analysis. Mr Corbyn has said that the government


has planned to close a third of hospital beds in the near future, is


that true? According to the sustainability and transformation


plans, we did a Freedom of information request,


and a third of all... With consultations there is not a single


plan to close these, it is wholly bogus. It is good to know... They


are all local plans but the point about these transformation plans...


They are plans developed by local and clinical commissioning groups.


They are clearly not top-down reorganisations and they are all


after consultations. Are you saying that there are local


plans to close hospital beds that, when you add them all up, will


amount to a third...? There are no plans at all. They are at the


initial stages of consultation. The overall thrust is what Simon Stevens


has been saying since 2014, there is nothing new in it, which is that


people who shouldn't been in hospital, what we have been saying


about people staying too long. The more services you provide outside


hospital, the better treatment. But this is in the context of a


dwindling budget. I am a former NHS Trust chair and former public health


consultant. I can remember that you work within the budget limitations


you add. The government has reduced the amount of funding available.


With the 2012 health and social care act, there was an opportunity for


trusts to raise their income levels through privatisation of key beds,


up to 49%. I think we are going to uncover a lot in terms of the amount


of beds being used in terms of private health care, which is adding


to the pressure. 4 million people are now on waiting lists. We are


going back to the 90s, and it is dire that we have people dying on


trolleys. To say that these are small numbers, that won't give any


consolation to families that have been affected by this. This is


really complacent to the extreme. This consultation, this is part of


the 22 billion savings that have to be made, isn't it? Not cut... 22


billion savings that will then be spent better elsewhere is the plan,


I think. Indeed, it is the NHS's five-year plan that basically was


designed to have a more modern, better structure, more effective


health service. And there is a sort of problem with this, some people


see it, that you can make changes if you have got a bit scared -- a bit


of spare capacity. You can try to persuade a local town they would be


better served not having a local A because they have these different


provisions, whatever. You can make those changes and have those


discussions if you have a bit of headroom and spare cash around the


edges, but the rising demand and the fact we are living longer has sucked


out that spare bandwidth and capacity in the health service,


which is making it so difficult. You say that Theresa May is focused on


mental health, and she mentioned it in her speech, but it is also true,


according to the health minister, that there has been a drop of 6610


mental health nurses, representing a loss of about 1000 such specialists


per year since 2010. It is such a focus, why has there been a drop of


over six and a half thousand? There are many problems in mental health


provision around the country, and that is what we are starting to


address, not just in terms of the mental health professionals and the


numbers available... You are going to replace that number? Helping


schools, particularly in secondary schools, every secondary school


should have some help. In my own field, making employers much more


aware of the issues of people with mental health issues. But what about


the increase? Since 2010. People have talked about mental health


being the Cinderella inside the health service, and I think that is


largely true. For the first time, we now have a government and a Prime


Minister making serious attempts to get to grips with that. There has


been money given. More money was put through to the clinical


commissioning groups. There is some thought that some of that money


didn't reach mental health patients. Clearly it should have done and it


should do in the future. What about the Pledge on parity of esteem?


Theresa May was a senior movement of the government. Why hasn't this


happened? Last year, there was a cut of 3% in terms of the mental health


tariff. It didn't go up. These are warm words not backed up by action.


We must hold the government to account on this. The French,


Germans, Swiss and Swedes, four affluent countries, spent 11% or a


little bit more of their GDP on health. We said earlier that we


spend under ten. Both figures include private and public, but in


Britain it is 2% of private, in Germany 1.7, so they are all around


the same area. How would Labour increase the share of GDP to 11%, to


the European affluent level? These are about choices. Jeremy mentioned


corporation tax. We have committed around increasing the higher rate of


income tax. We need to make sure that we prioritise... How much would


that race? To be honest, I don't know. There is an argument that the


cuts in the higher rate of tax generating more revenue, it is an


opulent economists have and there is a consensus, so it may not raise you


much. -- an argument economists have. You seem to have spent the cut


incorporation tax many times. That isn't true. The plans we put forward


at all been costed. We are promising that, if we were in power, we would


make sure that women had access to pension credit. We made sure we have


a budget... How much would you save them by not cutting operation tax? I


don't have that figure to my fingers. I'm sorry. Can you also


assure us just that it is Labour policy? Is it written somewhere? Can


we go and see it? That the savings, if there are savings, from not cut


incorporation tax would be spent on the NHS? Public sector funding will


be an important one. That isn't what I asked you. Will the savings from


not cut incorporation tax you spent on the NHS? When I come back to talk


to you on our manifesto, I will be happy to go that detail. I can


hardly wait! One tangible example that Jeremy had was bringing forward


that 700 million in social care. Why can't that be done? That is a key


issue around delayed discharges which would free up beds and mean


people on waiting lists could have access, and it wouldn't mean that


their beds for people instead of them having to wait on trolleys in


A -- it would mean. The Prime Minister clearly has a problem with


the NHS and, if we are in for a very cold end of January, beginning of


February, as it was in 2009, it could be more than just a problem.


The government has been lucky that the winters have been relatively


mild in recent years, but given the manner in which Mr Corbyn approached


the questions today, he had pretty much an open goal. I see one


centre-left commentator saying that he actually just dribbled the ball


in front of the open goal. He didn't stick it in the net. To use another


sports metaphor, it wasn't necessarily a slam dunk. However, I


think the fact that he did, unusually, you might say, use six


questions to affect that Theresa May didn't particularly have convincing


answers for, that will be seen as having been a pretty decent


performance for him. I think it was a win for Jeremy Corbyn today, no


question. But we do see a lot Jeremy Corbyn's performance at Prime


Minister's Questions is undoubtedly better than it was 18 months ago,


but is he the most effective performer at that dispatch box? The


answer to that is no. Is Theresa May massively comfortable in this


particular format? Not particularly either. One interesting thing. I


have a feeling we will be coming back to all of this.


Now, this week, amid accusations of nepotism, Donald Trump


announced his 35-year-old son-in-law, Jared Kushner,


was taking a "key leadership role" in the White House,


advising him on both domestic and foreign policy.


But it's not just in the US that politicians have


So, let's see how many our guests can identify the famous politicians


that have a personal as well as professional relationship


Do you know who that is? I will give you clues in a second, but you might


know. No. He towers over his father. It's Seb Corbyn. Yes, some of Jeremy


and G. Two Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell. He hasn't yet grown the


trademark family bed. He has changed his hair since. This one is from


north of the border. Who is that? You are not allowed to answer,


Laura. He is married to the leader of a political party. He is the


Chief Executive of that political party. Presumably it is Mr Sturgeon.


Yes, Peter Murrell is his name. He is married to an Nicola Sturgeon.


The next lady is German, married to a British politician, and she


prefers to stay out of the limelight, but she has gone on


record to say her husband drinks and smokes too much. Crikey, that could


be a lot of people! That is Mrs Farage. Yes, also known as Kirsten


Mehr. You have done quite well. The last one, going back in history,


let's have a look... Finally, we're going back a bit


here, but this equine beast was the favoured advisor


to a particular leader, some might And to discuss we're joined


from the Welsh Assembly by two experts in political nepotism,


Neil and Christine Hamilton. Welcome to both of you. Tell us,


Christine, what is the advantage of working with or for Neil? I can keep


an eye on him 24/7. The most important thing is, if you employ a


member of your family, that they are the right and best person for the


job. That is the key. There is nothing wrong per se with employing


a family member, but only if they are the right person. I am happy to


say in the Welsh Assembly that they have a rigorous selection process. I


had to apply for my job. It was publicly advertised. I don't know


how many people applied, but quite if you did. I had an interview. Some


might say, so you should. I 100% agree. Neil will tell you the


disadvantages! So what are the disadvantages? We can did. I can't


get away with anything, not that I would want to, I am far too old. --


be candid. The great advantage for me is that I have got my secretary


on hand 24 hours of the day, in effect. If I had a brainwave in the


middle of the night, I can clobber her in the ribs and get her to take


a note. I think that is beyond the call of duty. Do you get fed up with


each other? Yes, but for other reasons. But shouldn't we end this


circular employing relatives? I understand where people are coming


from when they say that. When I was elected to the House of Commons in


1983, there were scandalous examples of members we employed wives, sons,


daughters, aunts, uncles, in one cases, even grandparents, who did


nothing at all or next to nothing. Clearly, that is an abuse and should


never curve. When Christine became my secretary in the House of


Commons, she had also worked for other MPs for 12 years. So she had


experience. Good luck to the two of you!


There's just time to put you out of your misery and give


It was 1995. Press the red button and we will find out the winner.


That is Walter Whatley from Bury St Edmunds. Congratulations.


The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.


Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow with all the big political


We will be joined by Michael Howard, former Conservative leader.


Theresa May's planning on having a speech, but it doesn't say...


it doesn't say what's going to be said. No.


I know she bought a pair of trousers, ?900. I know she did.


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