27/01/2017 Daily Politics


27/01/2017

Andrew Neil is joined by Rachel Shabi and Peter Hitchens for the latest news and debate from Westminster. Nigel Evans MP discusses Theresa May's first meeting with Donald Trump.


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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Theresa May signals a shift in UK foreign policy as she rules out

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future military action unless it's in our interests to intervene.

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The PM meets Donald Trump in the White House later today -

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the first foreign leader to meet the new president.

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We'll discuss her hopes of an early trade deal with the States.

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Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit problems mount up as his stance on Article 50

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prompts one frontbencher to resign and more signal they'll

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And it's the EU's answer to House of Cards, a new political TV drama

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That sounds like my kind of television.

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All that in the next hour, and with us for the whole

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of the programme today the journalist and author

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Rachel Shabi, and Peter Hitchens, who writes for the Mail on Sunday.

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So, Theresa May arrived in the States yesterday for her meeting

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She kicked off her visit, though, with a speech

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to Republican politicians during which she asserted the need

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for a strong Nato alliance, urged President Trump to engage

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but beware of Russia and reiterated the UK's

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opposition to the use of torture in

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But Theresa May made headlines with a section of her speech

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in which she signalled a change of approach towards

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It is in our interests, those of Britain and America together,

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to stand strong together to defend our values,

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our interests and the very ideas in which we believe.

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This cannot mean a return to the failed policies of the past.

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The days of Britain and America intervening in sovereign countries

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in an attempt to remake the world in our own image are over.

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But nor can we afford to stand idly by when the threat is real

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and when it is in our own interests to intervene.

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We must be strong, smart and hard-headed and we must

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demonstrate the resolve necessary to stand up for our interests.

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Philadelphia yesterday. I think both of you would be pretty radical of

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what you might call the Blairite interventionist policy, Mr Cameron

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did not go down that road although he did in Libya. You must be quite

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pleased by what you have heard there? Pleased, no. There is a wider

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picture here which isn't necessarily what she says or doesn't say about

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military intervention, given that whatever she says is with a mind to

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placating Donald Trump. It is the fact that she is getting engaged

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with the US president in this way, I'd US president who at best can be

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described as a lying, off right-wing populist who has no respect for the

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current institutions and mechanisms in the global sense that maintain

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stability and security in any meaningful way. So too allied

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herself in any way with a US foreign policy, given the direction it is

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likely to take, I think is dangerous and not good for Britain. Is only

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saying this to placate Donald Trump? Do you think she would not be saying

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it anyway? I do not think she is saying it's too but Kate Donald

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Trump but on the other hand, it is not as good as good as it looks. A

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large chunk of the speech mentions the fact that we are sending 800

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troops to the Baltic republics in Poland, which is a mad thing for

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Britain to be doing. Our policy towards Russia has become almost as

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insane as our former policies to Iraq. It is a different type of

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lunacy. She has drawn the distinction between wars of

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intervention and supporting Nato. She has but I am not sure distinct.

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This suppose Russian aggression, involving a voluntary departure

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along hundreds of thousands of square miles of territory, into an

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area with economic insignificance. And we still go on about it as if it

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was a terrifying superpower about to squeeze the continent, and act

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accordingly by building up the fears in Eastern Europe and the Baltics

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which we claim through Nato to be soothing. It is a very odd posture

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and one of the very few sensible things which Donald Trump has said

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about foreign policy is that he thinks Nato is obsolete. It is

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obsolete, as obsolete as mounting an alliance against the

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Austro-Hungarian Empire or Napoleon Bonaparte. The Foreign Secretary has

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also said that we need to think afresh on how we handle Syria,

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hinting that Mr Assad could be allowed to run for election, if he

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wants. That is just recognising, I would suggest, that Mr Assad is safe

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as long as the Russians are backing him and that we really have no

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influence there. I think there is a danger. When we look at what

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happened over the last few months in terms of the Foreign Secretary, and

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what has been said, and it all started with Nigel Farage being the

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first to meet to Boris -- Donald Trump. And it is setting us on a

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course of normalising Donald Trump, although his intentions are not

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normal. Syria might be a reflection of realities on the ground but when

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you look at something like Trump's statements regarding Israel, and

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Theresa May displeased many in the region by ally in Britain to the US

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president in a way which was a change of tack for the UK, and the

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wrong change. I would suggest that the Foreign Secretary's statement is

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a recognition that Syria is now a Russians are at it. It is an

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extraordinary pull-back from a policy which has been defeated.

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There are talks of safe stones being set up in Syria this morning which

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some people say is a dangerous return to attempt to intervene. That

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is for refugees? Supposedly but it could develop into more calls for

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no-fly zones, but we note the military convocations of that. I

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don't think it is entirely over yet but certainly it seems to be one of

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the most dangerous policies which we have adopted over the past several

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years has come to an end. And the absolute refusal to even begin to

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see the possibility that the Assad government might survive has been

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rather quietly stitched. I'm going to stop you there because we have a

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lot to cover. We will return to some of these themes.

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Theresa May is the first foreign leader to meet Donald Trump.

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But which leader has been the first to cancel a meeting

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First Minister Nicola Sturgeon of Scotland.

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Or President Enrique Pena Nieto of Mexico?

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At the end of the show, Rachel and Peter will no doubt give

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Later today, the Prime Minister will meet President Trump

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for face-to-face talks - as the first foreign leader

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to visit the White House since he became president.

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The PM's trip comes at the end of a frenetic first week

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for Donald Trump, who has been busy putting pen to paper.

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Among the dozens of executive orders he's signed so far,

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he's instructed officials to begin planning the border wall he promised

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to build, and to scale back Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act.

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Maybe as a precursor to getting rid of it altogether.

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So what are Mrs May and Mr Trump likely to discuss this afternoon?

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A possible US-UK trade deal is likely to be

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While the UK can't begin to negotiate new trade deals

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until it leaves the EU, Mr Trump has said he wants

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Mrs May is also likely to remind the new president

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of the strategic importance of NATO - an alliance that he has

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The PM may also want to discuss how the US and UK deal

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Mr Trump has been full of praise for Russia's President Putin

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and says it's "an asset, not a liability" if he has

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a relationship with him - a stance that has alarmed some

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Mrs May is also under pressure to reject Mr Trump's

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She has already suggested that the UK could scale back

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on intelligence sharing if the US reintroduces torture.

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She's also said she won't be afraid to challenge the president,

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who continues to court controversy, telling the BBC:

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"Whenever there is something that I find

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unacceptable I won't be afraid to say that to Me Trump."

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We've been joined from Strasbourg by the Conservative MP Nigel Evans,

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who attended Donald Trump's inauguration last week,

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and in the studio the joint leader of the Green Party,

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Nigel Evans, you have met Mr Trump. You were in Washington before Mrs

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May, what is his attitude to Britain? Well, I think we have a

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great opportunity to rekindle the special relationship which Theresa

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May spoke about to the Republican congressional retreat in

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Philadelphia. I think she mentioned the special relationship about eight

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times and the warm welcome that she had by those congressmen and

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senators was absolutely superb. I spoke to a lot of congressmen,

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Senators during the four days I was in Washington during your

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inauguration and whenever I mention Brexit, they were lapping it up. --

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during the inauguration. It did not matter whether they were Republican

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or Democrat, the thumbs were up. They were keen to get a speedy trade

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deal done between the UK and the US. If President Trump we have a man

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whose mother was Scottish, who has got a couple of businesses in

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Scotland in golf courses, who was in favour of Brexit and wants to do a

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trade deal with the United Kingdom as quickly as possible. He put the

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bust of Winston chill back in the Oval Office as one of his first

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acts. What is there that we need to do? Engage with Donald Trump as much

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as we can. Theresa May is the first world leader to meet Donald Trump

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since becoming president. And we have said that about four times now

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so it must be true. Angela Merkel has asked to see him, and he has not

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even reply to her. But the fact that he wants to be their... Don't get

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sidetracked. We're leaving the EU, which many people feel leaves us a

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little bit without friends. There is a powerful man in the Oval Office

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who wants to be our best friend. Why would we not take him up on that?

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Because it puts us in a very weak position. We are the junior partner,

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looking quite desperate. Theresa May looks quite desperate, falling over

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herself to be the first in the queue. I think she should've bided

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her time and gone with some clear red lines, particularly around

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torture and Paris climate talks. We were on torture. She is in favour of

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the Paris climate deal. Britain is not going to unsigned that. But she

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should have gone saying that it was a red line for us. She needs

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leadership. Rightly or wrongly, he is against it and the British

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government cannot change his mind on it. So suddenly we have not any

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influence? Either we are going to show leadership or we are not.

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Mexico are showing us up at the moment, playing hardball. What we

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have is a situation where we put ourselves in extreme Brexit context,

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going cap in hand to America saying, what can you give us in terms of the

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trade deal? Of course Donald Trump is welcoming her with open arms

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because he knows he can ride roughshod all over her. He sees a

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desperate Prime Minister asking what they can give her. Donald Trump is

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at the best unpredictable, uncertain, possibly unreliable. Is

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it wise for British Prime Minister to put all your eggs in this basket?

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She is not putting all her eggs in one basket. She's going to be out

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looking, she said to the congressmen. But trade with the US

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will be massive in terms of leverage when we are talking about a trade

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deal with the EU. Our neighbours in Europe, after we have done a deal

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with the US, are they going to punish us? Because that is the voice

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we are hearing at this moment in time. Donald Trump is a different

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sort of president, we know that. He says things in a different sort of

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way. The fact is, on building the wall, between Mexico and the United

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States, the fact is that he has started the progress on that

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straightaway. I think he is likely to be the first politician in

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history to be roundly criticised for keeping its promises. He has said

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that that was what he was going to do and he was elected by over 63

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million people. We have to recognise that he is the President of the

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United States. Influence is what I wanted to come onto. One of the

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tests for Mrs May's influence will be whether from her point of view

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and from Europe's point of view, particularly from the Germans, can

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she bring him round to her way of thinking on Nato or not?

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That is one thing that she did clearly speak to the congressmen

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about, which was, yes, Nato may not be as effective as it should be,

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that is an understatement in itself, but we will spend 2% on defence and

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it will increase in every parliamentary year up to 2020, and

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she would use her influence with other European leaders to be able to

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do just the same. Nato is in need of reform and she stated that the

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congressman, it is not like we will sit back and say everything is

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hunky-dory, we have already pointed out, there is that gaping problem

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with Nato. The fact that we are spending 2% of our GDP on defence

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and a lot of other European countries are basically taking a

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free ride on the backs of the United Kingdom and the United States of

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America will simply not be tolerated, they have to wake up and

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realise that they had to pay their contribution towards their own

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defence. Jonathan Bartley, do you care if

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Nato is modernised? Are you in favour? We have been very

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critical of Nato and there is common ground in what Peter said earlier

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about Nato, it is a relic of the Cold War. When Donald Trump calls it

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obsolete, you agree? In a time when we see increasing insecurity, it is

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not the time to make drastic or snap decisions around Nato. You called it

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a relic, Donald Trump called it obsolete, you agree with Donald

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Trump? In some cases there will be common ground... Another one that is

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common ground, Donald Trump has essentially canned the trade Pacific

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partnership, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and TTIP, the north

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Atlantic equivalent, is dead in the water. You approve of that? We will

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see TTIP on steroids coming back, we will be handed a trade deal with

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very little say over it. Donald Trump is now against multilateral

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trade deals, your party has campaigned against multilateral

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trade deals. We are looking at a bilateral trade deal with the

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States. What will that look like? TTIP might be the blueprint. If we

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go there without much to negotiate will be just accept free access to

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the NHS from American countries? That was part of TTIP, presumably

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becomes part of the debate which the British House of Commons will have

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to decide. It is very hard to the special relationship with the

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country talking about America first, America will try to squeeze

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everything out of the UK they possibly can. That is what they do,

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the United States' relationship with this country has always been one of

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straightforward hard self-interest, the fantasy of the special

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relationship does not standard to an examination. The only real special

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relationship United States houses with Saudi Arabia, that is truly

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close. They are baffled by our insistence on including this phrase

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in documents, they are slightly embarrassed but will do it on

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occasion. This is a glorified selfie whether British primers to the White

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House, gets him herself photographed with the American president and

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hopes to bask in reflected importance. This comes back to risks

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involved? It is not glorifying selfie, that is the problem. I do

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not know what shade of immoral you have to be to look at what President

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Trump has done in the last week, among the highlights are announcing

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that he to build a wall, announcing a partial ban on Muslims and

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announcing that he wants to monitor the crimes of migrants, that is

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straight out of a Nazi handbook. I don't know how... Is the implication

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of all this, we know this is what he stands for, is it that the British

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Government should have nothing to do with him? I don't know how you can

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look at that in talk in terms of shared values, which is what Theresa

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May has... That is the answer to your question. We should have

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nothing to do with him? I agree we should bide our time and not rush to

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make friends with him and born and thereby normalise what he says. If

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he does not change his views... We are the first leaders to go in, we

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have a responsibility to the world... Or do you recommend we have

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nothing to do with him? It is not a binary option, it is whether we bide

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our time, go in in a dignified manner, say we are worried you would

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pull out of the Paris agreement, potentially threatening world trade

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for decades. Those are the occasions. We are talking about

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trade deals which will affect five or ten years, what about the 20 or

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30 year picture? It will make as economic worse off if we cannot sort

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out the biggest threat affecting humanity -- it'll make this economic

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we were soft. We have a picture of you with Mr Trump, Nigel Evans,

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shaking hands. That is when he was President-elect. British prime

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ministers, Labour and Conservative, have always placed great store since

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Churchill onwards by the special relationship. Is it not the highest

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of high wire acts to play such store by it when it is Donald Trump in the

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White House? I tell you what, I would rather Donald Trump in the

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White House who wants to do a deal with United Kingdom, a trade deal,

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and I listen to what Jonathan Bartley at has said, that man is

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clearly not interested in any trader whatsoever, rather than President

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Barack Obama who came and lectured the British electorate and said

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Betta vote to stay in the European Union otherwise you will be at the

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back of the queue for a trade deal. Now we have a president who wanted

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Brexit, we voted for it, he wants to the congressman this trade deal

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between the USA and America will not be easy. There is a continuity of

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interest bringing the UK and USA together. We stood shoulder to

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shoulder over decades on those areas where we have great interests

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together. We will not walk away like the Greens want us to do, or Peter

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Hitchens, or anybody else. He is the president of the United States, we

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have the opportunity to have influence with him and work with

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him, that is what we should do. We have run out of time. I have just

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said we have run as a term that we are coming back to the special

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relationship, so behave yourself rather than mumbling in the

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background. The Green Party websites is your policy is to pull out of you

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know -- Nato unilaterally. You want to get out of Nato and the something

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better in its place, but now is not the time to mess around with

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international institutions as the world gets more insecure daily. You

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are not in favour of pulling out unilaterally? Not now. Peter is

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still mumbling, but he does a lot of that.

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Over the years, British Prime Ministers have enjoyed distinctive

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The friendships forged between leaders have helped to shape

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world history and brought varying degrees of political fortune.

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But just how well can Theresa May get along with President Trump,

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and does the personal chemistry have to be right for the special

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# Thank you for being a friend. # Travelled down a road and back

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again. This is known as the Allies bench,

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it captures the friendship between the American and British wartime

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leaders. It is also a popular stop on the London to wrist Trail.

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-- tourist trail. The concept of the special relationship first came

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about because of President Rousseff valves and Winston Churchill. The

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British prime ministers first came up with the phrase in a speech after

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World War II and over 70 years since then, the relationship has seen its

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ups and downs. -- because of President Roosevelt and Winston

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Churchill. Reagan and Thatcher were political

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soul mates, both supporters of Private business and free markets.

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But things almost went pear shaped when the US invaded grenades, a

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British Commonwealth country, until the President run-up to apologise.

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Margaret Thatcher here. If I were there, Margaret, I would tilt my hat

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in the door before I came in. No need. Listen, we regret very much

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the embarrassment that has been caused you and I would just like to

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tell you what the story is from our end out here.

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The Blair and Bush bromance seemed an unlikely friendship, a Labour

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leader with a right-wing Republican president. At first it seemed they

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had little in common apart from using the same brand of toothpaste.

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Yet Tony Blair ended up being dubbed as America's poodle by the press

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because of his strong support for President Bush and the Iraq war.

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Let me thank President Bush for coming here.

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We are strong allies. The Prime Minister is a man of his word. He

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has my admiration. And he has the admiration of the American people.

:24:22.:24:26.

Jonathan Pelissie Tony Blair's chief of staff and saw first hand how the

:24:27.:24:30.

Prime Minister got on with George Bush and Bill Clinton -- Jonathan

:24:31.:24:34.

Powell was. So how much of a coup is it that Mrs May is the first leader

:24:35.:24:38.

to meet the new president? Traditionally the first meeting is

:24:39.:24:42.

with the Canadian Prime Minister, Prime Minister Trudeau seems not in

:24:43.:24:46.

a hurry to get to the White House, Angela Merkel is biding her time.

:24:47.:24:51.

Theresa May has won the race but nobody else's competing,

:24:52.:25:02.

so I don't think she can take great pleasure.

:25:03.:25:05.

What would be your top tip to Theresa May? A joint press

:25:06.:25:08.

conference can be very tricky, Tony Blair was tripped up with the one

:25:09.:25:10.

with Bill Clinton on Monica Lewinsky and found the one with George Bush

:25:11.:25:13.

very difficult, talking about Colgate and sharing toothpaste.

:25:14.:25:16.

Theresa May will want to avoid any appearance of being President

:25:17.:25:20.

Trump's golf caddy. She has criticised his remarks about women

:25:21.:25:23.

and Muslims and made it clear that she is not afraid to challenge him.

:25:24.:25:28.

Whenever there is something that I find unacceptable I will not be

:25:29.:25:32.

afraid to say that to Donald Trump. The body language of the two leaders

:25:33.:25:35.

at their first meeting might give away clues to any personal

:25:36.:25:41.

chemistry. Will they ever appear as Paoli as David Cameron and Barack

:25:42.:25:46.

Obama, flipping burgers at this Downing Street barbecue, although

:25:47.:25:50.

differences of opinion on big issues like torture marker cooling in the

:25:51.:25:54.

special relationship -- will they ever appear as pally as David

:25:55.:26:01.

Cameron and Barack Obama? Just as you think it goes away, it

:26:02.:26:06.

always come back, at least on this side of the Atlantic.

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Barbara Plett Usher, our Washington correspondent, joins us from the

:26:10.:26:13.

White House. Good to have you. We have a rough idea of what Mrs May

:26:14.:26:18.

wants to achieve, any idea what the Trump administration hopes to get

:26:19.:26:22.

out of this? Not really, they have not said very much about the meeting

:26:23.:26:27.

other than Mr Trump's statements at about, yes, Britain is very special.

:26:28.:26:32.

He said yesterday I have been meeting Theresa May and I don't have

:26:33.:26:36.

a commerce Secretary yet but I will have to deal with it, I think that

:26:37.:26:40.

is OK. We have no serious sense of what they want to get out of it. I

:26:41.:26:44.

think it is fair to say that the special relationship is more

:26:45.:26:48.

important to Britain than the United States, I think it has always been

:26:49.:26:52.

that way but particularly so now because the other strategic

:26:53.:26:55.

relationship with the European Union is in flux, so this one... Theresa

:26:56.:27:02.

May can't afford to have this one we can, she has to come through and

:27:03.:27:05.

make a point of saying, yes, we still have other options as world

:27:06.:27:09.

players after Brexit, she wants to get a strong endorsement on that

:27:10.:27:15.

from Mr Trump that he takes Britain seriously and particularly he is

:27:16.:27:18.

willing to do a trade deal with Britain quickly, once the Brexit

:27:19.:27:22.

negotiations are finished. I think that will be the main point of the

:27:23.:27:27.

talks, the discussion about a possible trade deal.

:27:28.:27:30.

Is the trump administration is serious about a trade deal? I have

:27:31.:27:34.

heard some people in the administration say they know that

:27:35.:27:37.

Britain can't sign a deal until it leaves the EU but they would quite

:27:38.:27:42.

like to do heads of agreement. Looking at all the other things Mr

:27:43.:27:46.

Trump is doing and the firing on all sides at the moment, has he got the

:27:47.:27:53.

time to focus on this which, for him, is not imperative for

:27:54.:27:57.

immediate? Does he have the ability to focus on much for any length of

:27:58.:28:03.

time altogether, that is the question. The signal is important.

:28:04.:28:07.

President Obama said Britain would go to the back of the queue if it

:28:08.:28:11.

went to with Brexit, Mr Trump has essentially said we will put you to

:28:12.:28:16.

the front. The details of negotiating another trade deal are

:28:17.:28:19.

quite fraught and will be quite lengthy because they can't sign

:28:20.:28:23.

another deal until Britain has sorted out its relationship with the

:28:24.:28:28.

EU. Although Mrs May has said that we can have talks about what

:28:29.:28:31.

barriers we can remove so we are ready to go on the day, I think the

:28:32.:28:37.

American trade negotiators, who are very tough, will want to see what

:28:38.:28:40.

sort of relationship Britain has with the EU market, what sort of

:28:41.:28:46.

access, before signing a trade deal. That will take years before that is

:28:47.:28:49.

sorted out. It is more about sending a signal.

:28:50.:28:53.

One all-important question, before you go, has the White House yet

:28:54.:28:59.

learned how to spell the Prime Minister's first name? I have heard

:29:00.:29:05.

that they got it wrong on the first attempt, but presumably once that is

:29:06.:29:09.

corrected it will stay corrected throughout the day, but watch this

:29:10.:29:12.

space. We will leave it there, we will know

:29:13.:29:16.

if they can spell her name that the special relationship is alive and

:29:17.:29:19.

well act summation thanks for joining us from the White House in

:29:20.:29:21.

Washington, DC. Now, speaking of special

:29:22.:29:22.

relationships, yesterday Jeremy Corbyn announced

:29:23.:29:24.

that his Labour MPs would be under a three-line whip to vote

:29:25.:29:26.

through the government's Article 50 Bill when it reaches

:29:27.:29:28.

the Commons next month. Since then, though,

:29:29.:29:30.

all hell has broken loose. Overnight two Labour whips

:29:31.:29:33.

responsible for party discipline have said they will likely vote

:29:34.:29:35.

to block Article 50. But neither Thangam Debbonaire nor

:29:36.:29:43.

Jeff Smith said they would resign their position,

:29:44.:29:45.

which could force Jeremy One person who has quit,

:29:46.:29:47.

though, is Tulip Siddiq - seat borders that of Jeremy Corbyn -

:29:48.:29:57.

and Brexit spokesman Keir Starmer. She quit as Shadow Early Years

:29:58.:30:01.

Minister last night saying her loyalty to her constituents meant

:30:02.:30:04.

she had no choice but to resign. Other frontbenchers

:30:05.:30:09.

who said they will vote against the Labour whip

:30:10.:30:11.

are Shadow Transport Minister Daniel Zeichner and Shadow Foreign

:30:12.:30:13.

Minister Catherine West, Sources have said between 60 and 80

:30:14.:30:15.

Labour MPs could rebel, though so far only a handful have

:30:16.:30:23.

said publicly they will vote And the highest profile

:30:24.:30:26.

potential rebel - Shadow Defence Secretary Clive Lewis

:30:27.:30:35.

- yesterday withdrew He said he respected the result

:30:36.:30:37.

of the referendum and would vote To discuss all this we're joined

:30:38.:30:54.

from Cardiff by former Labour And I should mention that we did ask

:30:55.:31:01.

the Labour Party for an interview with a member of Mr Corbyn's Shadow

:31:02.:31:06.

Cabinet but none was available. So we go to Owen Smith. Thank you for

:31:07.:31:11.

joining us. Good morning, Andrew. You have said he will vote against

:31:12.:31:16.

Article 50. The country voted to leave the European Union, so why are

:31:17.:31:20.

you doing that? Because I cannot in all conscience vote for something

:31:21.:31:25.

that I think is in my view going to make the constituents that Ira

:31:26.:31:28.

present poorer, and our country poorer and more isolated in the

:31:29.:31:32.

world. -- the constituents I represent. It will compound the mere

:31:33.:31:39.

politics we have in the West. The Shadow Home Secretary says that MPs

:31:40.:31:44.

like you are undermining democracy. -- the meaner politics. I do not

:31:45.:31:51.

think democracy started on June 23. That was not your zero. We have a

:31:52.:31:58.

long-standing mandate as MPs to be representatives of our constituents

:31:59.:32:02.

and use our judgment in representing them. I'm not a delegate for my

:32:03.:32:07.

constituency. In my constituency, I know there is one piece of academic

:32:08.:32:09.

research that has been done looking at which way my constituents voted,

:32:10.:32:16.

suggesting they voted 55-45 to remain within the EU, so in that

:32:17.:32:19.

regard, I am reflecting their view. My view is that this is bad for

:32:20.:32:23.

Britain and the Labour Party needs to speak up for our convictions as

:32:24.:32:27.

pro Europeans, and more importantly as people who will defend jobs and

:32:28.:32:32.

opportunities and growth in our GDP in the UK. We think Brexit is bad

:32:33.:32:35.

for those things, so we should vote against it. How many do you reckon

:32:36.:32:42.

like-minded Labour MPs are? I do not know. It could be between 20 and 50.

:32:43.:32:48.

People will be making their minds up over the next few days. There are

:32:49.:32:51.

obviously will be other opportunities for people to express

:32:52.:32:55.

their views in respects to aspects of it, the customs union, the single

:32:56.:32:59.

market, but for my money we should be seeking to get another

:33:00.:33:01.

referendum, at the end of the process, and that is one of the

:33:02.:33:06.

amendments that I have tabled yesterday. I will also be voting

:33:07.:33:11.

against Article 50, I imagine, because I doubt very much whether my

:33:12.:33:15.

amendment will pass. Let's be generous and say you have got 50

:33:16.:33:19.

Labour MPs that think the way that you do. You have one conservative,

:33:20.:33:24.

the Lib Dems, one green, and the Scottish Nationalists, of course. So

:33:25.:33:29.

the rebellion has already failed on take-off. A bit like a Trident

:33:30.:33:39.

missile. I not anticipating... Off in the wrong direction and then into

:33:40.:33:44.

the sea. Too demure slightly, I think we're going in the right

:33:45.:33:47.

direction but you might be right in that the end point will be that we

:33:48.:33:53.

land in the sea. I am not anticipating that we will stop

:33:54.:33:57.

Article 50. There is a majority in the Labour Party and the Tories to

:33:58.:34:00.

get that past. The right thing for me to do, and I think the right

:34:01.:34:04.

thing for Labour to do is stand against it. But I appreciate that I

:34:05.:34:08.

am in a sizeable minority on that point. I understand, but the reason

:34:09.:34:14.

why the government can bank on a clear majority for Article 50,

:34:15.:34:18.

without even having to hold its breath or by tits nails, is because

:34:19.:34:23.

your party has opposed a 3-line whip to vote for Article 50. -- by its

:34:24.:34:33.

nails. If it fails to get its way, that will be down to your party.

:34:34.:34:43.

Yes. That is the best answer I have had in weeks. Is it not fair to say

:34:44.:34:46.

that Jeremy Corbyn is between a rock and a hard place on this? He opposes

:34:47.:34:51.

a 3-line whip and he gets to rebellion and we all say, he cannot

:34:52.:34:56.

even do that! If he does not propose a 3-line whip, we will say that on

:34:57.:35:00.

this vital issue, the biggest issue that Britain has had to take, you

:35:01.:35:04.

have not even got a policy. I would suggest that no matter who is leader

:35:05.:35:07.

of the Labour Party at the moment, this would be a real problem. I

:35:08.:35:11.

agree with that. It is an unpalatable decision, like any

:35:12.:35:16.

decision would be horrible for different reasons. And that speaks

:35:17.:35:21.

to Labour's problem trying to bridge its voters who are in both remain

:35:22.:35:28.

and leave camps. But I think that a lot of this would be avoided by the

:35:29.:35:32.

Labour Party having a much clearer tone on the kind of Brexit that it

:35:33.:35:37.

wants. And that come through. There are not many things they could do

:35:38.:35:43.

about policy. There is no white paper, no plan. But a lot of it

:35:44.:35:47.

relies on optics and tone. And I am not sure, I am not convinced that is

:35:48.:35:51.

something the party is getting right at the moment. What do you make of

:35:52.:35:58.

this, Peter? It is quite funny that Jeremy Corbyn, often derided as on

:35:59.:36:02.

the edge of madness, has done something so sensible, and is now

:36:03.:36:04.

being opposed by people whose attitude seems to be little short of

:36:05.:36:08.

crazy. The British public have voted to leave the European Union and any

:36:09.:36:12.

party which publicly stands to defy that decision is putting itself in a

:36:13.:36:18.

position of derision, and use and we cannot do that. However you want to

:36:19.:36:23.

oppose what has happened in the referendum, saying that we do not

:36:24.:36:26.

accept this result and we will carry on sulking until you give us another

:36:27.:36:33.

cake is not going to work. Jeremy Corbyn's decision was the only

:36:34.:36:38.

conceivable move. And these poorer desperate playwrights have seen

:36:39.:36:41.

their raison d'etre seized by the Conservative Party, because they do

:36:42.:36:45.

not know what to do. I think they should join the Conservative Party.

:36:46.:36:50.

I am not holding my breath for that. Sensible thing is so seldom happen

:36:51.:36:53.

but it would be the right thing. I understand that and that is your

:36:54.:36:58.

view. Owen Smith, Labour has some crucial by-elections coming up on

:36:59.:37:03.

that the 23rd, we will be live bringing the results to you. I want

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to run you a clip from Jeremy Corbyn, which is to do with the

:37:10.:37:14.

Copeland constituency in the North West of England. This is what he had

:37:15.:37:15.

to say. Do you support the building

:37:16.:37:16.

of a new nuclear power plant There's going to be a mix of energy

:37:17.:37:19.

production in this country for a long time to come,

:37:20.:37:23.

because we haven't invested in renewables at the same

:37:24.:37:25.

rate that Germany has. The issue at Moorside

:37:26.:37:27.

is clearly important. Our local candidate

:37:28.:37:30.

strongly supports Moorside. You say your candidate supports it,

:37:31.:37:33.

my question was do you support it? I recognise that there has

:37:34.:37:36.

to be a mix of energy You're saying you don't

:37:37.:37:39.

support Moorside? The Government is going to have

:37:40.:37:41.

to make that decision on the basis of the issues facing the company

:37:42.:37:48.

and the area at the time, That was on ITV yesterday. Owen

:37:49.:38:02.

Smith, in the Copeland constituency you have a very small majority and

:38:03.:38:06.

nuclear power is an enormous issue. A lot of jobs depend on it. There is

:38:07.:38:11.

talk of a new nuclear power station they are, as you have heard. The

:38:12.:38:14.

leader of the Labour Party could not really and the question because his

:38:15.:38:18.

long-standing view has been that he is against such things. -- answer

:38:19.:38:23.

the question. And in Stoke, the other radio or you are defending a

:38:24.:38:28.

majority, larger but not huge, you have picked a candidate who was

:38:29.:38:32.

enthusiastically pro remain in a constituency which is basically the

:38:33.:38:36.

Brexit capital of the Midlands. Does Labour know what it is doing? I'm

:38:37.:38:41.

not in charge of the Labour Party, Andrew. We know that, you failed on

:38:42.:38:48.

that one. As we all know, I did. And therefore I am just a backbencher so

:38:49.:38:51.

you need to ask people in the current leadership of the Labour

:38:52.:38:54.

Party that question. Are you going to lose Copeland to the Tories and

:38:55.:38:59.

Stoke to Ukip? I hope we're going to win both of those seats and I am

:39:00.:39:02.

going up to Copeland to campaign there in a week or so myself.

:39:03.:39:07.

Nuclear is a very important issue there and the Labour Party's

:39:08.:39:12.

position, my position is that we are pro civil nuclear. There is a very

:39:13.:39:16.

good case for building a new plant there. I know there is huge support

:39:17.:39:19.

for it locally and I'm sure we be on the doorstep doing delete my getting

:39:20.:39:23.

our message out there during the campaign. Are you going to stalk as

:39:24.:39:28.

well? Hopefully, if I have time. Surely you must make time, to save

:39:29.:39:34.

this seat for your party. Unfortunately, the Tories are put to

:39:35.:39:36.

the Brexit bill right in the middle of our campaign but I am sure I will

:39:37.:39:40.

go. It also looks like the Tories will not fight Stoke very much and

:39:41.:39:43.

will put their emphasis into Copeland in the hope that if Labour

:39:44.:39:47.

loses in Stoke, it will be to Ukip, and the Tories will try to take

:39:48.:39:52.

Copeland. You have challenged Mr Corbyn once. Even if he loses these

:39:53.:39:59.

two by-elections, which I think would be pretty unprecedented in

:40:00.:40:05.

modern times, in the midterm of a government, for the main opposition

:40:06.:40:09.

party to lose two by-elections. The tradition in our country is that

:40:10.:40:15.

opposition parties win by-elections. Does that threaten Mr Corbyn in

:40:16.:40:20.

anyway or has that horse left the stable? If you mean is that going to

:40:21.:40:25.

be another challenge, I think that horse has left the stable, to borrow

:40:26.:40:30.

your phrase. I see no prospect of that, certainly none of mine doing

:40:31.:40:35.

that -- my doing that. If we lost those seats, they have been Labour

:40:36.:40:40.

seats for the best part of 80, 90, even 100 years in one case. That

:40:41.:40:45.

would be disastrous. But I hope and expect that we will retain them.

:40:46.:40:48.

Owen Smith, thank you for joining us.

:40:49.:40:49.

You could be forgiven for thinking that all the legal wrangling

:40:50.:40:51.

over the UK's departure from the European Union is now over.

:40:52.:40:54.

After all, the Supreme Court brought an end to the long-running Brexit

:40:55.:40:57.

case on Tuesday with its judgement that only Parliament, not ministers,

:40:58.:41:00.

can trigger Article 50 - the formal method of kicking off

:41:01.:41:03.

But as of today a new legal challenge is underway.

:41:04.:41:06.

A case has been filed with the Irish High Court

:41:07.:41:08.

about whether Article 50 is reversible or, as some

:41:09.:41:10.

In other words, you can turn it back.

:41:11.:41:24.

The litigants are hoping that the case will be referred

:41:25.:41:26.

to the European Court of Justice and that judges there will rule that

:41:27.:41:30.

even after Article 50 has been triggered we could,

:41:31.:41:32.

in theory, just change our mind and maybe even decide to stay

:41:33.:41:35.

When the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU,

:41:36.:41:41.

David Davis, appeared in front of the Brexit Select Committee last

:41:42.:41:46.

month, he said that even he didn't know whether Article 50

:41:47.:41:49.

As recently as October, at least one head of government was saying,

:41:50.:42:00.

And many of the others still feel it can't really happen.

:42:01.:42:07.

So that's partly the sort of mindset that's still...

:42:08.:42:09.

As we get further into this, once we've served the Article 50 letter,

:42:10.:42:14.

one of the virtues of the Article 50 process is it sets you on the way.

:42:15.:42:18.

It's very, very difficult to see it being revoked.

:42:19.:42:20.

It may not be revocable, I don't know.

:42:21.:42:23.

And I expect at least at that point people's calculation will change

:42:24.:42:33.

from "How can we make them change their minds?"

:42:34.:42:36.

And we've been joined by Jolyon Maugham, one of the people

:42:37.:42:44.

bringing the case in Dublin, and by Gunnar Beck from

:42:45.:42:46.

Lawyers for Britain - a pro-Brexit campaign group.

:42:47.:42:48.

One thing our viewers will want to know first of all, why Dublin?

:42:49.:42:56.

Because the essence of the complaint is that by excluding the United

:42:57.:43:02.

Kingdom from cancel meetings in advance of serving Article 50

:43:03.:43:07.

notice, the United Kingdom has been disadvantaged. That is a complaint

:43:08.:43:12.

that can only be taken in the courts of the countries that have

:43:13.:43:15.

disadvantaged the United Kingdom so you are looking at the remaining 27

:43:16.:43:20.

courts and of them, Ireland is the natural choice, similar legal

:43:21.:43:25.

system, same operating language, and also Irish courts are very

:43:26.:43:28.

accustomed to dealing with the court of justice in Luxembourg. That

:43:29.:43:34.

explains Dublin. What is it that you hope to establish? Well, look, this

:43:35.:43:38.

is a very, very uncertain world we live in. Donald Trump has come on

:43:39.:43:43.

Andy he is changing everything. He is talking about Nato being obsolete

:43:44.:43:47.

and we are going to see a whole new trade arrangement. Let me accept the

:43:48.:43:53.

uncertain that, what are you hoping to achieve? What I want is a free

:43:54.:43:59.

option for the United Kingdom on hasta siding with the benefit of

:44:00.:44:02.

further evidence that remaining is the right thing for the country. So

:44:03.:44:11.

the government could change its mind and the process of the Article 50

:44:12.:44:16.

negotiations? The government, as always, will be led by what the

:44:17.:44:20.

electorate wanted to do. And if the electorate changes its views about

:44:21.:44:23.

Brexit, then the government will follow. There are many MPs who

:44:24.:44:29.

accept that the result of the referendum requires that we trigger

:44:30.:44:33.

Article 50, but who still have doubts about the wisdom of that

:44:34.:44:37.

course. If they hear loud and strong from voters that that is the right

:44:38.:44:41.

thing to do, I'm sure they will put pressure on the government. The

:44:42.:44:43.

issue in dispute here is whether that would be legal or not. Does it

:44:44.:44:47.

not make sense to establish the legality of that? Well, the fact of

:44:48.:44:55.

the matter is that at present we simply have not got a dispute. The

:44:56.:45:02.

British government have voted to leave the European Union, and the

:45:03.:45:06.

supreme court has stated that it is up to Parliament and the onus is on

:45:07.:45:13.

Parliament to confirm that vote. Once that has happened, Article 50

:45:14.:45:20.

is entirely clear that the United Kingdom will notify its intention to

:45:21.:45:25.

withdraw. Do you believe Article 50 is

:45:26.:45:36.

irrevocable or not? It proceeds on the assumption that when a country

:45:37.:45:39.

notifies its intention to withdraw it means what it says. You think it

:45:40.:45:49.

is irrevocable? It proceeds on the assumption that a country means what

:45:50.:45:54.

it says, just as when any country applies to join the European Union,

:45:55.:45:58.

negotiations for accession are conducted on the basis that that

:45:59.:46:07.

country too means what it says. The man credited with writing

:46:08.:46:11.

Article 50 told the BBC that Article 50 is not irrevocable, if the

:46:12.:46:14.

country was to decide we do not want to leave after all, everybody would

:46:15.:46:19.

be very cross but legally they could not insist. Article 50 does not

:46:20.:46:23.

provide any support for that view. In any event the issue has not

:46:24.:46:28.

risen. Legally speaking, the situation is entirely clear. The

:46:29.:46:33.

Court of Justice has ruled more than 30 years ago that it will not accept

:46:34.:46:37.

references on entirely hypothetical questions. The question not whether

:46:38.:46:47.

the UK wants to reassess its intention to withdraw hasn't arisen

:46:48.:46:52.

yet, we haven't got a dispute, the European Court of Justice shouldn't

:46:53.:46:54.

even look at that. I understand that is your point.

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Jolyon Maugham, the judgment and as a bream Court of Article 50, it said

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it cannot be given in qualified or conditional terms and that once

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given it cannot be withdrawn. That would seem to be something of an

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Exocet through your case? It would be a powerful Exocet if it was a

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good point, but it is not. Are you saying the Supreme Court has not

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made a good point?! Whoever has given you that quote has given you a

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bad point. I will explain why. If you look at paragraph 26 of the

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Supreme Court decision, it says very clearly we're not deciding whether

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Article 50 is bookable, the Government and the claimants both

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phones are politically convenient to proceed on the assumption that it

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was but we're not deciding the point -- we're not deciding if article 50

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is revocable. Rachel? I think it is great, it is one thing to accept the

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democratic votes, and the public as to respect that, but it raises all

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kinds of constitutional questions, and I think it is great that we have

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a system that works, that we have checks and balances on Parliament

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that work, that is a good thing and we should celebrate that. Peter? It

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is a good diversion. The serious opponents of our departure from the

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European Union really need to stop thinking -- start thinking in a

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broader way. I don't want to offer advice or help them but it would

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seem to me that they have a much better prospect of frustrating

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departure from the EU by salami slicing it so much June the

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negotiations in Parliament but what we end up with is that we move from

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being as we are now, half-out of the European Union, to being half in it,

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which would seem the most likely result. These legal diversion seem

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to be trading on the success of the Supreme Court, which was notable but

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did not make much difference to the outcome of events, trying to divert

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us from the centre of this, the negotiations between this country

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and the EU, and what Parliament then with those, which still seems to be

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in a great deal of doubt. Do you really think there was a

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cat's chance in hell that the Government will change its mind? The

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Government is a political creature, if people change their minds, the

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Government bill. I think it is a very, very real possibility. I

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recognise what the political mood is today. I am not stupid, I read the

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papers, I listen to you, I watch the Daily Politics religiously, of

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course. But I also believe that the world is changing fast, I believe

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there is a lot of evidence for what Brexit means that we are still get

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to see, we don't even have a white paper and I think it is very, very

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plausible that people will revise their views, and if they do, the

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Government will fly. Is it your view that Dublin High Court is likely to

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pass this to the European Court, or do you feel that the Dublin court

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will throw it out? That is for the Dublin court to decide. It should

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throw it out, I think the law is quite clear that we have a

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hypothetical question, it may be interesting, but a hypothetical

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question should not be referred, that is quite simple. Can we all

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come to Dublin and watch this unfold? I will buy you a pint. I

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thought you were going to buy my ticket, the BBC will not!

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Fans of political TV dramas have feasted on some great

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series in recent years - from the US remake of House

:50:37.:50:39.

Who would ever have thought that Danish coalition building could

:50:40.:50:47.

become so popular in Britain? Now the Dutch are getting

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in on the act with a political drama set in the heart of the EU's

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Brussels HQ. The kind of show covering

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treating... Treaty negotiations on trade deals, can it ever get the

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pulses racing? Year is a clip. And because it is an idea,

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we should be willing to welcome any nation which is special enough

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to share our values. This is my empire. It has my

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attention and I'm not even sure what it is about yet!

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We can talk now to the series writer, Leon de Winter,

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That is in the Netherlands, of course. What story are you trying to

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tell, what is the narrative? The narrative... Of course, the

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background is politics, Brussels, but what is politics? The art of

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balancing what you wish for, what is necessary and what is possible. It

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depends upon the characters which one of these three elements is most

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important to them. Basically you could say every story is about these

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three elements. The main thing is, let us say, the original idea is

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nothing to do with politics. We know what original sin is, the oldest

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profession, the oldest lie in my definition is a female light, who is

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the father of your child. In which case -- in this case the woman

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becomes an EU commissioner, had an affair 25 years ago with a young,

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up-and-coming Russian politician who is now a billionaire and they are

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both in Brussels, they are conferences, they have their

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interests and the rest speaks for itself.

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In house of cards and even in Borgen there was a clear good guy and bad

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guy, who is the good guy in this series? I have always problems of

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defining good and bad guy. Maybe you know them, the good guys and the bad

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guys? I am afraid I couldn't work with these stereotypes. Even the

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Russian billionaire who is in Brussels talking to his friends in

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the commission, in parliaments, trying to arrange the best deal for

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his interests, even he has interesting aspects, even he is not

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completely evil. And the Dutch Euro Commissioner, the female

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protagonist, she should be the hero but she is a stuff, and an alpha

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woman. We know alpha males, this is an alpha female. It is not clear-cut

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bad, evil, there are many grades of grey and colours, as you know.

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Absolutely right, and all the best series... What is noticeable about

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TV drama now, because it is allowed to breathe, it deals in shades of

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grey now, not black and white. House of Cards had the advantage that it

:54:28.:54:34.

was all based around a position, a person, a pinnacle of power that we

:54:35.:54:37.

all know, the president of the United States. We are not quite sure

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the pinnacles of power in Brussels, what is the pinnacle of power, what

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is this all revolving around? All revolving is, of course, the

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confrontation between interest, ambitions, ego. They fight to gain

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position, to be wealthy. And people told me even about sex. Yes. Dear

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me! Things like that happen, I was surprised as well ex-commissioner

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sex in Brussels?! No wonder this is fiction! The big question we want to

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know here, in this series, do the British get a punishment beating? I

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had already finished writing the screenplay, suddenly there is a

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Brexit and I talk about 28 nations in my story. So should I take one

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out?! No, let us say it is a bit of an historical series, because I

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could not see that that was going to happen.

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Leon, I think it sounds great. The big question is when and where do we

:55:55.:55:58.

see it in the United Kingdom? Well, of course it is produced for a

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Dutch streaming platform, one of the biggest productions ever in the

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Netherlands. I would be very shocked if it would not be shown in the UK.

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Quite right. I will have a word with the director-general of the BBC, we

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are very close, you know? I met him in 1961, leave it to me! Leon de

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Winter, good luck with the show, I will seek it out on the web even if

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it is not shown here, but I'm sure it will be. Thank you for joining

:56:32.:56:33.

us. It started with news of a rogue

:56:34.:56:34.

Trident missile and ended with Theresa May's meeting

:56:35.:56:37.

with Donald Trump. Here's Adam with the lowdown

:56:38.:56:39.

on the political week Theresa May launched her modern

:56:40.:56:43.

industrial strategy on Monday by taking her Cabinet to Warrington,

:56:44.:56:48.

but that was overshadowed by a row over whether she should have told

:56:49.:56:51.

MPs a Trident missile test had All eyes were on the Supreme Court

:56:52.:56:54.

on Tuesday where Lord Neuberger lay The Supreme Court rules

:56:55.:57:02.

that the Government cannot trigger Article 50 without an act

:57:03.:57:06.

of Parliament On Wednesday, Theresa May

:57:07.:57:07.

announced there would be And on Thursday the Government

:57:08.:57:15.

published its one-page Jeremy Corbyn told his MPs to back

:57:16.:57:20.

the bill, prompting Tulip Siddique And the Prime Minister jetted off

:57:21.:57:33.

to the States to meet President Donald Trump,

:57:34.:57:39.

saying opposites attract. It's going to be beautiful,

:57:40.:57:41.

just beautiful! There's just time before we go

:57:42.:57:55.

to find out the answer to our quiz. The question was, which foreign

:57:56.:58:00.

leader has cancelled a meeting President Hollande of France,

:58:01.:58:03.

President Raul Castro of Cuba, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon

:58:04.:58:07.

of Scotland or President Enrique Rachel, Peter - what's

:58:08.:58:10.

the correct answer? President Enrique Pena Nieto, via

:58:11.:58:27.

Twitter. Correct. You beat me to it. I was going to get it, I had no

:58:28.:58:32.

idea, I am not on Twitter. Good place. Mexico has elections coming

:58:33.:58:37.

up in a couple of years, this will play big-time into it, we will see

:58:38.:58:38.

how that works out. Thanks to Rachel, Peter

:58:39.:58:39.

and all my guests. The one o'clock news is starting

:58:40.:58:42.

over on BBC One now. I'll be back on Sunday

:58:43.:58:45.

with the Sunday Politics - The clue is in the name! I will be

:58:46.:58:47.

talking to Nigel Farage. Should've seen Hillary's face.

:58:48.:58:55.

She was stood there with Bill.

:58:56.:59:15.

Andrew Neil is joined by journalists Rachel Shabi and Peter Hitchens for the latest news and debate from Westminster. Conservative MP Nigel Evans discusses Theresa May's first meeting with Donald Trump and Jenny Kumah examines past relationships between prime ministers and presidents.