01/03/2017 Daily Politics


01/03/2017

Jo Coburn and Andrew Neil introduce live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. They are joined by rail minister Paul Maynard and shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth.


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Morning, folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Just one week to go until the Budget.

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So can the Chancellor keep the ship steady before

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There's plenty in the in-tray for the man known as Spreadsheet Phil.

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But with rows brewing over social care, business rates,

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and disability benefits, will he be able to make the numbers add up?

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The RMT announces a fresh round of strikes across the rail network.

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We speak to the RMT General Secretary and the Rail Minister.

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Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will square up at noon

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It's been a bruising few days for the Labour leader

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after the Copeland by-election, so can he get on the front foot?

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And will the Lords inflict defeat on the Government later today

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over the issue of status of EU citizens living in the UK?

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I think they might. Maybe. Welcomer you told me they were. Must be true,

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then. Watch this space! And with us for the duration, two

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legends in their own living rooms - Rail Minister, Paul Maynard,

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and the Shadow Health First this morning, the RMT union

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has said its members from Southern Rail, Merseyrail

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and Arriva Rail North will go on strike for

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24 hours on March 13th. It's over the ongoing row

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about driver-only operated trains, These are the first strikes by RMT

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members on Merseyrail But Southern Rail said this would be

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the 30th day of RMT strike action Well, Ellie Price has been speaking

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to Southern commuters , No. No trains again? Yeah, you

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really want to know what I think? I'm not impressed, I've got no

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sympathy. Who is to blame? I think it's train drivers and the guards. I

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think there is no reason why we can't have godless trains. Someone

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should agree that there should be guards and trains. Quite simple.

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People get pulled under trains. Drivers can't see what's happening.

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Southern should absolutely agree that this is a safety issue, and

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they should back down. As a country, we are massively subsidising these

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railway companies that are not doing their job. I do for their workforces

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all the passengers. We should take them back into national ownership. I

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think the government needs to take control and deal with the issues.

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And unequivocally give them an answer one way or another. Their

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striking for their rights. But the government say they're putting the

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safety of the people first. Let's just come to a decision.

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Joining me now is the General Secretary of the RMT, Mick Cash.

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Welcome to the programme. That start with Southern Rail because this is

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going to be the RMT's 30th day of strike action. Yet more pain for the

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300,000 people who depend on the network every day. How do you

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justify it? Thanks for the invite. It is the 30th day of action, and it

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is the 30th day I've met Paul, who is the real minister. We are in a

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situation where our members, and it's not just guards, its drivers,

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who have got deep-rooted concerns around the introduction of

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driver-only operated trains, which means getting rid of the guaranteed

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second safety person on every train. At something passengers have got

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now, and have elsewhere. But the government and GDR have decided to

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take it away. I'm happy to have the debate with Paul, and perhaps we can

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have it outside. Pulled doesn't represent the company. Let's talk

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about the dispute going on outside the company. You're not just sobbing

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at Southern, you are spreading the misery to the north of England with

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new strikes on Northern Rail and Merseyrail. How do you justify

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broadening it? Southern are contracted to the DFT. Paul is the

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piper who plays the tune. The reality here is that both on

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Northern and Merseyrail, the passengers, as we stand today, have

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got the guarantee of a second safety person on the train, a guarantee of

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a guard. They're planning to take that away and our members are very

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angry about that. They're fighting to keep our trains safe and

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accessible. You say they're planning to take it away - what evidence is

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there that Northern Rail are planning to do that? It's in the

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franchising. They say they haven't got any driver-only operated trains

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at the moment, they haven't ordered any, and your strike action is

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extremely premature. Where was the evidence? They have ordered the

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trains stop what they have? Yeah. So they're wrong? We've had meetings

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with them, and we've been trying to get the issue is resolved. They have

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in their franchising group, mandated by Paul's department, at least 50%

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of their trains will have to operate without a safety critical guard. We

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have spoken to Northern Rail and they have said that they don't have

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any driver operated trains. And they haven't ordered any. They do say

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that they're in the early stages of a modernisation plan, but we will

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leave it there. It's up to people to decide who to believe as far as that

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is concerned. The damaging strike action that we've seen in the past

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has been your union, the RMT, and Atlas, which represents more train

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drivers. Aslef are saying that they don't want more strikes, so your run

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your own. That will be easier for Southern to handle, won't it? Wing

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Tyrone because passengers, particularly disabled passengers, of

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great concern of getting rid of the guard on the train. -- we are not on

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our own because passengers. Will you be able to have the same level of

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impact? The last time you had a strike without Aslef joining you was

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last week, the 22nd of February. According to Southern, around half

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of their conduct turned up for work and they ran 87% of their timetable.

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To some extent, the strike that you will be running well have lost its

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edge? I don't necessarily agree with Southern. They don't have a great

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credibility about how they spend their story. But the reality is our

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members are determined to keep fighting to keep a guard on the

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train and keep the second safety critical person guarantee. That's

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what we will continue to do. But if you're not able to affect the train

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service in the way you have been able to, how much longer will you be

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able to keep your striking members on board? We will keep fighting to

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keep a guard on the train. As long as our members are prepared to

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fight, and they are prepared to fight. Why aren't you going down the

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same sort of line as Aslef? The assistant general secretary said on

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the 17th of February that they could put strike dates on if they wish,

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but is not where they want to be. They see no reason why they can't

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agree a negotiated settlement. They did have an agreement with Southern

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which was rejected by members. But they are obviously trying with that

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sort of language and tone to reach a deal. Why aren't you? We are trying

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to reach a deal. You have put out a statement like that, have you? The

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last time I met the company on the 14th of February they grossly

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misrepresented that deal. They told us information that was incorrect.

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We are in a situation where we want to get round a table, but we also

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need the people who help facilitate that deal, the TUC in particular, to

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assist us. There is misrepresentation by this company

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about what is actually being delivered and what train drivers

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were going to get in that deal. Finally, in the case of Merseyrail,

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it's actually devolved to local councils in Liverpool. You talking

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to politicians that? We're talking to the company. But you said that he

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wanted to talk to the Minister, too. Are you going to torture Labour

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politicians that? We will talk to anybody to get the matter resolved.

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-- you going to talk to Labour politicians there?

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Let's talk Minister now. How much is the taxpayer forking out for this

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situation? Let's be very clear on what Mr Cashel said. There is no

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loss of jobs on Southern Rail. There is no going back on having second

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people on-board train. We want to reassure all passengers that they

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will get an improved level of service on the train by ensuring

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that on-board supervisors can spend more time helping customers land

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their journeys, the then disabled or otherwise. -- plan their journeys.

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The union have always maintained that you will take away what they

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call a safety critical role for the second person on trains, never mind

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if they become driver-only operated. Can you guarantee that they won't

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lose that safety critical vault? There is an important point to make

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which is that all on-board supervisors will be safety trained.

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We will make sure that those second people who are on trains have the

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quality training they need to deliver an improved level of

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customer service on these trains. The talent on the Southern at the

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moment is -- the problem on Southern at the moment is a desperately

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crowded network. We have to find new ways of working to properly

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accommodate all the extra passengers growing year-on-year. We need to

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work with the unions to find ways of doing that. But that has been the

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criticism, that the government hasn't done enough. The reason the

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government has to do more is because of the country that has been set up

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with Southern or go the Thames Link. -- because of the contract that has

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been set up. Can you answer the question about how much the

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taxpayers forking out, because the taxpayer will want to know why it is

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that they are having to fund compensation because so many people

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are not able to get to work on time? Way in which we operate Southern,

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they're paid to deliver a service on behalf of the department. That means

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we are finding things like delay we pay for passengers and compensation

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for those who are season-ticket holders. That's an understandable

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thing for the department to do. I think a lot of people will think,

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why on earth is the taxpayer funding it when they already have a ?9

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billion contract until 2021? As we saw yesterday, with the announcement

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and results for Go Ahead,, this is a train company not making a profit at

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the moment. They're taking a hit because they were goblins on the

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train. They haven't been driven to sort it out. I think there's a

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strong incentive for them to deliver an adequate service on behalf of the

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passengers, which is timely, punctual, reliable and which offers

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a decent chance of getting a seat. The problems on Southern go beyond

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industrial relations. But we can't tackle those problems while we have

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both hands tied behind our back as a consequence of industrial action. If

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you look at their punctuality record, it is deemed the poorest in

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a four-week period just before Christmas. This is across all its

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services. They have failed to meet any of the targets that have been

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set. They're worse than almost any other rail line? That is precisely

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why we are infecting 300 million in upgrading the network on Southern.

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That's what we need to do to bring the level of performance back. --

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why we are injecting 300 million. We can't do that while we have both

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hands tied behind our back by the RMT who was determined and having

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industrial action week in, week out. Luckily, we are starting to overcome

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that. The strikes are having a diminishing impact week on week.

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Does that mean you're not going to put the company under pressure? Do

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you accept that the buck stops with you? What I accepted passengers are

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deeply frustrated by the quality of service on Southern. What I want to

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see is a resolution. That means Southern and Aslef in particular

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reaching an agreement. They came very close. I hope this week we can

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start to resolve it. Jon Ashworth, do you support the RMT's Basic

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principle that all trains should keep a deck and safety critical

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person on board? Of course. You support the strikes? Of course.

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Union members have the right to go on strike and we will always support

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them to take strike action with the Labour Party. I'm sat in the middle

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and the minister won't even talk to the general secretary for trade

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union. For goodness sake, get around a table and sort it out. Mick Cash

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said they haven't spoken yet. I'm sure if Mick Cash and the Labour

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politicians want to speak, they will happily do so. This is going to put

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passengers at a huge inconvenience. Just get round a table with them and

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sort it out. Why is it Aslef has managed to do this, and the RMT

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can't, and yet you are still supporting them? Aslef are obviously

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come to a different judgment. The key thing to me is our ministers

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doing all they can to sort things out in the interest of passengers?

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Paul is a good bloke but he won't even address make directly. You're

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both here, why don't you have a cup of tea after the show and try and

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sort it? We are very clear that if unions call strikes, we are more

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than happy to have discussions. I don't want passengers held to ransom

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by the RMT. And you would obviously take up that offer to meet, but not

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if you have to call off the strike action? I'm happy to take that

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offer. There is my diary, Paul. We can sort something else. Are you

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calling off the strike? I will take that matter back to my executive. If

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you give me a guarantee that we can get to the table, I will take that

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back this afternoon. Is that an agreement, the strikes will be

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called off, if you agree? We will leave it there, Mick Cash, thank you

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very much for coming in. Francois Fillon the centre-right,

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the Republican candidate and France's Presidential election, at

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one stage she was favourite to win, he has been summoned to a French

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judge, a prosecutor magistrate, he has been accused of paying his wife

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in the French Parliament to do a job but she didn't actually do the job.

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That is the accusation, other members of his family have faced

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similar accusation, normally when you are summoned to see a French

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prosecutor it means you are going to be charged. That is the expectation

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that he will be charged, with these accusation, he has said before that

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if charged, he would stand down from his Presidential bid, but a press

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conference this morning he said I will not give up, will not be draw,

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so we have the prospect that the mainstream centre-right candidate

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will continue to fight the election, with this prosecution hanging over

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him. We will see what that does to him in the poll, it has been

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damaging to him, we will bring you more news out of Paris as it

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In case you hadn't noticed, it's the first day of March -

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and a happy St David's Day to you all.

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If all goes to plan, by the end of this month Theresa May

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will have triggered Article 50 and begun the formal process

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But before we get to that, there's the small matter of a Budget,

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There's plenty in the in-tray for the Chancellor Philip Hammond,

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so can he avoid any potential hiccups before we begin

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One major issue is funding for social care.

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Directors of adult social services in England say

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they have had to cut ?4.6bn from their budgets since 2010.

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It's reported that the Chancellor will make extra cash available

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to plug the short-term gap in funding.

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But could there be more controversial reforms

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In 2010 the Tories accused Labour of planning a so-called "death tax'

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But yesterday's Times reported that Philip Hammond is looking at how

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the assets of older people can be claimed by the state

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Another contentious issue has been the business rates revaluation.

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?3.4 billion has already been promised for transitional relief.

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There has also been cross-party criticism for the government's plans

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Critics say the majority of the schools that will lose money

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are in urban and poorer areas and that the redistribution

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The government claim no school will face a reduction

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And there's been anger over plans to change who qualifies

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for Personal Independence Payments, or PIPs - it's a weekly payment that

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goes to people with a disability or a long-term health condition.

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PIPs will cost an extra ?3.7 billion by 2022,

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due to a tribunal ruling that allows more people to claim.

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So instead, the Government is legislating to change the rules

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Paul Maynard, there is huge pressure to spend more on social care, after

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these massive cuts that Jo told us about. It has implications for our

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hospital, because the lack of social care means that older people often

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to to stay in hospital. Is the Government up for putting more money

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into social care? We will have to wait and see what happens next week.

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We have made sure that we have given the NHS what it has asked for, in

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addition we put more money in for social care but it isn't... Forgive

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me, first of all, the NHS is a different matter from social care,

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they are both interlinked but where is the extra money you have put into

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social care? We are allowing councils... You are asking councils

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to tax their people to put more money in. You are not doing it The

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key point I am making it isn't just the overall amount of money you

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spend that matter, I cover a constituency that has two social

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care providing authorities, both Lancashire and Blackpool. That is a

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different outcomes in the two of them as to how people who are

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waiting to be discharged from hospital are dealt with, once they

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are being put into care homes and so on. The amount of money is one

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thing, it is how you imagine that -- manage that care... Clearly some

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authorities will be doing it better than others and you can learn from

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what the management jargon is best practise, are you seriously

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maintaining this morning you can take five billion out of social

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care, as you have since you have come to power, and it makes no

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difference? Roughly half of delayed discharges as they are called are

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concentrated on ten local authorities. That isn't what I was

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asking, can you maintain to viewers it makes no difference? We will have

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to wait and see what the Chancellor announces next week. You have taken

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the 5 billion out. What we are waiting to see is if he is going to

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put more back in Wait and see next week. Well, the last thing... The

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last thing I expect you to do is tell me what is in the budget next

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week buzz because I am sure you don't know. I am asking about the

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principle. For example, the idea that before you transfer your

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estate, if it is a substantial estate to your children that you

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would have to pay something towards social care in the community, is

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that a runner now? I don't know whether it is is a runner or not. I

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can only read what you read in The Papers. Does it appeal to you. I

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want to see a system that ensures we have if right amount of money and

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those who are spending it are doing so in the most efficient way

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possible, to make sure that the people who really matter, those who

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are waiting in hospital to get a place in the a care home, get their

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discharges when they need them and the quality of care they most need.

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Do you think it is fair people can transfer their wealth to their

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children, and then depend on the state for their social care in There

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are all sorts of balances and issues you have to consider. Is that fair?

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The correct system going forward for funding long-term care, a lot of

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work is going on within the Treasury and with the Cabinet Office, I am

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not privy to it but I recognise there will be questions that need to

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be asked. There is a shortage of money in social care, but given that

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there is a shortage of money, often it is the poorest who are suffering

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from a lack of social care, would it not make sense to look again at the

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changing to inheritance tax, that you will be able to own a property

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up to ?1 million you could leave free of tax to children or

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grandchildren, given the squeeze on resources which every party would

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face in power, would it not be worth looking at that again when people

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are suffering? I am sure the Treasury are carefully considering

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all the options they have. I don't know what they are looking at or

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what they are not. What they have ruled out or not. What would it say

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in general, the principle of a government which is preparing this

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substantial improvement in inheritance tax for what is clearly

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the better off end of our society, and yet only recently the DWP cut

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the disability benefits of a man many Hackney who is a double leg

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amputee because he could climb the Zaires with his arms? What does that

:22:49.:22:53.

say? I don't know the details of it. Doesn't that upset you? No, because

:22:54.:22:58.

I welcome the fact that we have moved to personal independence

:22:59.:23:01.

payment from disability living allowance, it is more modern, it

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fulfils a fundamental concern of mine which the people most in need

:23:07.:23:10.

weren't getting the most amount of help. PIP targets that help to

:23:11.:23:14.

people who need it most. That is crucial. More importantly, it brings

:23:15.:23:20.

in mental health, which is forgot un. Now it gets its true weights

:23:21.:23:26.

under PIP. We need to make sure... The head of policy in Downing Street

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said it is only the really disabled who need it not those taking pills

:23:31.:23:37.

at home suffering from anxiety. I should point out... I need to move

:23:38.:23:44.

on. I should they the man in Hackney appealed and the disability was

:23:45.:23:47.

restored. To follow the court ruling on

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disability benefits would cot 3.7 billion, would Labour pay that? We

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said we support the court ruling. We urged the Government to support it.

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Where would you find the money? We're have not outlined that yet. By

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2023 we have a general election, it is more likely, as we go into that

:24:09.:24:14.

election... You want to spend more on social care. Certainly do. You

:24:15.:24:20.

want to spend more on the NHS, you want to spend more on these

:24:21.:24:25.

disabilities, you are complaining about the school funning round, it

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all adds up. Where would the money come from? It is a fair question.

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What is the answer? At this stage we don't have a detailed budget because

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we have three or four budgets and Autumn Statements and maybe one or

:24:40.:24:43.

two Spending Reviews to come. You don't know, do you. You are in the

:24:44.:24:46.

position, because it is popular to say we will spend on these thing,

:24:47.:24:51.

the case for people, want to help people with disabilities but to say

:24:52.:24:55.

you will spend it but give us no idea where the money would come from

:24:56.:25:00.

is irspoonsable and means your promise is worthless. No shadow

:25:01.:25:06.

ministers have outlined details spending plans three years out from

:25:07.:25:09.

general election. Where would you get the money from? When the Shadow

:25:10.:25:13.

Chancellors coming on your programme he will be able to outline it to

:25:14.:25:19.

you. You don't know. At this stage of a Parliament in opposition, not

:25:20.:25:24.

knowing what the books will look like it will inherit will not

:25:25.:25:29.

outline detailed plans. So back to the same old Labour, we will spend

:25:30.:25:34.

all these things but we have no idea how we will pay for it. It is not

:25:35.:25:42.

same old Labour. Every opposition party outlines plans closer to

:25:43.:25:46.

elections. Tory spokespeople would come on and say wait until the

:25:47.:25:51.

elections. People want some kind of credibility on this. I don't think

:25:52.:25:55.

they trust the days when politicians just say yes we would spend on that,

:25:56.:25:59.

that and that that but we can't tell you how we will get the money? We

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outline our plans closer to a general election. Could Labour

:26:06.:26:09.

afford this? We will have to come forward with a set of policies to

:26:10.:26:13.

fund it. So like for example on social care the Chancellor has to

:26:14.:26:17.

find, if he wants to stabilise social care next week, something

:26:18.:26:20.

like ?2 billion. Now, as you say he doesn't need to go ahead with that

:26:21.:26:25.

inheritance tax cut which is due in this April. He could find 1 billion

:26:26.:26:32.

there. Some of decisions on corporation tax he could change.

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Your spokesman has said that. You have spent that corporation tax ten

:26:40.:26:50.

times from. You have spent it ten times over. We will have to come

:26:51.:26:54.

forward with our spending plans won't we. You will indeed.

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And that can mean only one thing - yes, Prime Minister's Questions

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And that's not all - Laura Kuenssberg is here.

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We've got a week to go till the budget, and as he illustrated there

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are some difficult choices in front of the Chancellor. I think where

:29:45.:29:51.

Jeremy Corbyn may press today is the question of Pips, personal

:29:52.:29:54.

independence benefits to people with disabilities. Not least because this

:29:55.:29:57.

is a matter of concern to many people, but also because this time

:29:58.:30:01.

last year the government suffered a bruising humiliation over all of

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this which ended with Iain Duncan Smith storming out of the Cabinet

:30:06.:30:09.

full of rage. But also because this is something where some Tory

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backbenchers have concerns, too. It's not just a concern for the

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Labour Party, but it is an area of political vulnerability for the

:30:18.:30:19.

government. It doesn't seem right now that this is the kind of round

:30:20.:30:24.

that will... It's a tribunal ruling that will extend the accessibility,

:30:25.:30:29.

of certain disability payments, the Pips. But it adds substantially to a

:30:30.:30:35.

bill that is already out. So the government is changing... I will

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have to stop you because we are going to start on time today.

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I'm sure the people here would like to join me in wishing the people

:30:49.:30:54.

across the world a happy St David's Day. I'm sure the whole house will

:30:55.:30:57.

also want to join me in paying tribute to our former colleague, Sir

:30:58.:31:02.

Gerald Kaufman, who died over the weekend. He was an outstanding MP

:31:03.:31:08.

who dedicated his life to the service of his constituents. As

:31:09.:31:12.

father of the House, his wisdom and experience will be missed right

:31:13.:31:15.

across the House. I'm sure our thoughts are with his friends and

:31:16.:31:20.

family. I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others,

:31:21.:31:23.

in addition to my duties with the House I will have further such

:31:24.:31:28.

meetings today. I would like to associate myself with the Prime

:31:29.:31:31.

Minister's remarks and assure the many relatives and friends of our

:31:32.:31:34.

former colleague that they are very much in our thoughts and prayers at

:31:35.:31:39.

this difficult time. Mr Speaker, following last week's historic

:31:40.:31:42.

by-election victory in Copeland... CHEERING

:31:43.:31:49.

Does my right honourable friend believe this is an endorsement of

:31:50.:31:52.

her government's plans to maintain a strong economy, bring our society

:31:53.:31:58.

together, and ensure that we make a huge success of leaving the European

:31:59.:32:05.

Union? I thank my honourable friend. First of all, I would like to

:32:06.:32:09.

congratulate my honourable friend, the new member for Copeland, and I

:32:10.:32:13.

look forward to welcoming her to this house very shortly. But my

:32:14.:32:17.

honourable friend is absolutely right that last week's historic

:32:18.:32:21.

result in Copeland was an endorsement of our plans to keep the

:32:22.:32:26.

economy strong. And our plans to ensure places like Copeland to share

:32:27.:32:28.

in the economic success after years of Labour neglect. It was also an

:32:29.:32:36.

endorsement of our plans to unite communities where Labour seeks to

:32:37.:32:40.

sow division. And I think it was an endorsement of offering strong,

:32:41.:32:44.

competent leadership in the face of Labour's chaos. Jeremy Kerley bin.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. -- Jeremy Corbyn. Could I join the Prime

:32:58.:33:02.

Minister in wishing everyone in Wales and all Welsh people all

:33:03.:33:05.

around the world a very happy St David's Day. And could I also

:33:06.:33:11.

expressed the hope that the workers at the Ford plant in Bridgend gets

:33:12.:33:16.

today daily assurances they need about their job security and job

:33:17.:33:21.

futures. Mr Speaker, I also want to echo the Prime Minister's tribute to

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Gerald Kaufman who served in this house since 1970 - the longest

:33:25.:33:29.

serving member. He started in political life as an adviser to

:33:30.:33:34.

Harold Wilson. He was an iconic figure in the Labour Party and

:33:35.:33:38.

British politics. He was a champion for peace and justice in the Middle

:33:39.:33:43.

East, and around the world. Yesterday at his funeral, the rabbi

:33:44.:33:46.

who conducted the service, radio message on behalf of the House to

:33:47.:33:50.

his family, which was so much appreciated. -- conveyed your

:33:51.:33:55.

message on behalf of the House. Yesterday I spoke to his family and

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I asked how would they describe Gerald. They said he was an awesome

:34:00.:34:03.

uncle. I think we should remember Gerald as that. We convey our

:34:04.:34:09.

condolences to all of his family. Mr Speaker, just after the last budget,

:34:10.:34:14.

we then Work and Pensions Secretary resigned, accusing the Government of

:34:15.:34:18.

balancing the books on the backs of the poor and vulnerable. Last week,

:34:19.:34:24.

the Government sneaked out a decision to overrule a court

:34:25.:34:27.

decision to extend personal independence payments to people with

:34:28.:34:31.

severe mental health conditions. A government that found ?1 billion in

:34:32.:34:37.

inheritance tax cuts to benefit 26,000 families seems unable to find

:34:38.:34:45.

the money to support 160,000 people with debilitating mental health

:34:46.:34:48.

conditions. Will the Prime Minister change her mind? Let me be very

:34:49.:34:55.

clear about what is being proposed in relation to personal independence

:34:56.:34:58.

payments. This is not a policy change. This is not a cut in the

:34:59.:35:06.

amount that is going to be spent on disability benefits. And no one is

:35:07.:35:09.

going to see a reduction in their benefit from that previously awarded

:35:10.:35:17.

by the DWP. What we are doing is restoring this particular payment to

:35:18.:35:23.

the original intention that was agreed by the coalition government,

:35:24.:35:27.

agreed by this parliament after extensive consultation.

:35:28.:35:34.

Extensive consultation is an interesting idea because the court

:35:35.:35:39.

made its decision last year. The Government did not consult the

:35:40.:35:43.

Social Security advisory committee and instead at the last minute

:35:44.:35:48.

snaked out its decision. The court ruled that the payment should be

:35:49.:35:54.

made because the people who are going to benefit from it were

:35:55.:35:58.

suffering overwhelming psychological distress. Just a year ago, the new

:35:59.:36:04.

Work and Pensions Secretary said you can tell the House were not going

:36:05.:36:09.

ahead with the changes to Pip that were put forward. Her friend, the

:36:10.:36:13.

member for South Cambridgeshire, said that in her view, the courts

:36:14.:36:17.

were there for a reason. If both, with a warning that raise the

:36:18.:36:21.

criteria should be extended, she believed there should be a duty to

:36:22.:36:27.

honour that. Isn't she right? First of all, on the issue of these

:36:28.:36:30.

payments and those with mental health conditions, actually,

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Personal Independence Payment is better for people with mental health

:36:37.:36:40.

conditions. Two thirds of people with mental health conditions who

:36:41.:36:45.

are in receipt of Personal Independence Payment, two thirds of

:36:46.:36:49.

them get awarded the higher daily living rate allowance. That

:36:50.:36:54.

compares, that two thirds compared to less than a quarter under the

:36:55.:36:59.

previous DLA arrangements. But it second time that the right

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honourable gentleman has suggested that somehow this change was sneaked

:37:04.:37:08.

out. It was in a written ministerial statement to Parliament. And I...

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Can I remind him, week after week he talks to me about the importance of

:37:22.:37:25.

Parliament. We accepted the importance of Parliament and maybe

:37:26.:37:29.

statement to Parliament. But also she referred to the Social Security

:37:30.:37:33.

advisory and they can look at this. My right honourable friend the Work

:37:34.:37:37.

and Pensions Secretary called the chairman of the Social Security

:37:38.:37:40.

advisory committee and spoke to him about the regulations on the day

:37:41.:37:45.

they were being introduced. He called the chairman of the work and

:37:46.:37:49.

pensions select committee and spoke to him about the regulations being

:37:50.:37:53.

introduced. He called both officers of the Shadow Work and Pensions

:37:54.:37:58.

Secretary, but there was no answer and they didn't come back to him for

:37:59.:38:12.

four days. Mr Speaker... Mr Speaker, calling the... Mr Speaker, calling

:38:13.:38:20.

the chairs of two committees and making a written statement to the

:38:21.:38:25.

House does not add up to scrutiny. And as I understand it, there was no

:38:26.:38:30.

call made to the office of my friend, the shadow Secretary of

:38:31.:38:34.

State. Mr Speaker, the reality is this is a shameful decision that

:38:35.:38:41.

will affect people with dementia, those suffering cognitive disorders

:38:42.:38:46.

due to a stroke, military veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder,

:38:47.:38:49.

and those with schizophrenia. Can she looked at the effects of her

:38:50.:38:54.

decision to override what an independent court has decided and

:38:55.:39:02.

think again? The issues that he raised, the conditions that he

:39:03.:39:05.

raised, is these are taken into account when decisions are made

:39:06.:39:09.

about Personal Independence Payments. What the court said was

:39:10.:39:13.

the regulations were unclear. That is why we are clarifying the

:39:14.:39:17.

regulations and ensuring that they respect and inflect the original

:39:18.:39:25.

intention agreed by this Parliament. If the right honourable gentleman

:39:26.:39:27.

wants to talk about support being given to people with disabilities,

:39:28.:39:31.

this government is spending more than ever on support for people with

:39:32.:39:39.

disability and health conditions. We are spending more than ever on

:39:40.:39:42.

people with mental health conditions. As I say to him, what we

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are doing with the Personal Independence Payments is ensuring

:39:47.:39:49.

that those who are most in need get most support. The Government has

:39:50.:39:56.

overridden an independent court decision on this, and they should

:39:57.:40:00.

think very long and hard about that. Her friend, the member for North

:40:01.:40:04.

East Bedfordshire, said this week the Government had to make it very

:40:05.:40:07.

clear that physical and mental health of the same priority. In

:40:08.:40:12.

2002, the Prime Minister made a speech at the Conservative Party

:40:13.:40:15.

conference. I was watching on television. She described her party

:40:16.:40:24.

as we Nasty Party. She said some Tories have tried to make political

:40:25.:40:30.

capital by demonising minority. This week, her policy chair suggested

:40:31.:40:34.

people with debilitating conditions were those who, and I quote, take a

:40:35.:40:42.

at home, who suffer from an anxiety, and were not really disabled. Isn't

:40:43.:40:47.

that prove the Nasty Party is still around? My honourable friend has

:40:48.:40:54.

rightly apologised for the comment that he made, and I hope that the

:40:55.:40:56.

whole house will accept his apology. He asks me about the parity between

:40:57.:41:04.

mental health and physical conditions. It is this Conservative

:41:05.:41:11.

government that has introduced parity of esteem in relation to

:41:12.:41:17.

dealing with mental health in the National Health Service. How many

:41:18.:41:20.

years where labour in government and did nothing about that? 13 years! It

:41:21.:41:29.

was a Labour amendment to the health and social care bill that resulted

:41:30.:41:35.

in parity of esteem being put on the face of the bill. I'm surprised

:41:36.:41:39.

she's forgotten that, because she could take this opportunity to thank

:41:40.:41:42.

the Labour Party for putting that forward. Earlier this... The Prime

:41:43.:41:50.

Minister made a speech earlier this year supporting parity of esteem for

:41:51.:41:55.

mental health, and I'm glad she did. 40% of NHS mental health trusts are

:41:56.:42:02.

having their budgets cut. There are 6600 fewer mental health nurses, and

:42:03.:42:08.

160,000 people with severe mental health conditions about to lose out

:42:09.:42:12.

on support. Can she not recognised parity of esteem means finding it

:42:13.:42:17.

properly, and not overriding court decisions that would benefit people

:42:18.:42:21.

suffering from very difficult conditions? We should reach out to

:42:22.:42:25.

them, not deny them support they need. As I say, we are spending more

:42:26.:42:32.

than ever on mental health. That's ?11.4 billion a year. More people

:42:33.:42:36.

each week are now receiving treatment in relation to mental

:42:37.:42:41.

health than have done previously. Is there more for us to do mental

:42:42.:42:46.

health? Yes, there is. I've said that in this chamber on answer two

:42:47.:42:49.

questions I have seen previously. "We Will -- "Well, do it!" Shouts

:42:50.:43:00.

the Shadow Health Secretary from her normal sedentary position. We are

:43:01.:43:04.

doing it, that's why we are putting more money into mental health in

:43:05.:43:08.

seeing more people being provided with mental health treatment every

:43:09.:43:11.

week and this government. But there is one thing that I know. If you're

:43:12.:43:15.

going to be able to provide that extra support for people with these

:43:16.:43:18.

conditions, if you're going to be able to provide treatment, you need

:43:19.:43:24.

to have the strong economy that enables us to pay for it. And the

:43:25.:43:28.

one thing we know about labour is that they would bankrupt Britain.

:43:29.:43:36.

Coming from a government that by 2020 will have borrowed more and

:43:37.:43:40.

increased the national debt by the total borrowing of all Labour

:43:41.:43:47.

governments, that comes rich! Mr Speaker, the mental health charity

:43:48.:43:51.

Rethink says the Government has spoken forcefully about the

:43:52.:43:54.

importance of parity of esteem between physical and mental health.

:43:55.:43:58.

Yet when presented with a chance to make this a reality, has passed the

:43:59.:44:04.

opportunity by. Mr Speaker, as a society where judged by how we treat

:44:05.:44:10.

the most vulnerable. The respected mental health charity Mind has said

:44:11.:44:13.

this misguided legislation must be reversed. Can the Prime Minister

:44:14.:44:20.

look again? Look again at the decision of the court. Look again at

:44:21.:44:26.

the consequences of it. And withdraw this deep decision, this nasty

:44:27.:44:31.

decision. I accept the court's judgment and support those going

:44:32.:44:34.

through a difficult time in their life. -- accept the court's

:44:35.:44:39.

judgment. That is how we will all be judged. The way we are dealing with

:44:40.:44:43.

disability benefits is to ensure payments are going to those who are

:44:44.:44:47.

most vulnerable. What we are doing in relation to Personal Independence

:44:48.:44:52.

Payments is ensuring that the agreement of this Parliament is

:44:53.:44:56.

being put into practice. But he talks about funding and he talks

:44:57.:45:00.

about boring. I understand that today. Siam have a constant debate

:45:01.:45:08.

-- have a constant debate while the high minister is answering a

:45:09.:45:11.

question. The question was heard and the answer was heard.

:45:12.:45:18.

I understand that the Labour Shadow Health Secretary today when asked

:45:19.:45:23.

how Labour would pay for the increase if it was put in place,

:45:24.:45:31.

said we've not outlined that yet. That just sums up the Labour Party

:45:32.:45:35.

and the Labour Party leadership, you know, after the result in Copeland

:45:36.:45:42.

last week, after the result in Copeland, the honourable member for

:45:43.:45:45.

Lancaster and Fleetwood summed up the result by saying it was an

:45:46.:45:49.

incredible result for the Labour Party. You know, I think that word

:45:50.:45:57.

describes the right honourable gentleman's leadership. Incredible.

:45:58.:46:13.

Thank you Mr Speaker. On Monday... Thank you. On Monday I chaired a

:46:14.:46:21.

seminar at the rote society looking at the priority for the science

:46:22.:46:26.

committee. A report of the meeting will be launched here on 21st March.

:46:27.:46:31.

I understand the Prime Minister might be too busy to attend that

:46:32.:46:37.

herself will she agree to meet me so I present the collective concerns to

:46:38.:46:41.

her in person, round collaboration and people in particular. I thank

:46:42.:46:45.

him for raising this, this it is San important issue, he is right to

:46:46.:46:50.

raise it. We want the UK to be the go to place for innovators, we want

:46:51.:46:54.

to secure the best possible outcomes for the UK research base as we leave

:46:55.:46:58.

the European Union, indeed it is one of the objectives I have set out in

:46:59.:47:02.

our negotiation, are lates to science and research, we are already

:47:03.:47:06.

a leading destination for sign and innovation and we welcome agreement

:47:07.:47:11.

to continue to collaborate with our European partners I am interested in

:47:12.:47:16.

what he has said and I am sure that report will be looked at carefully.

:47:17.:47:24.

We on these benches join the Prime Minister and the Leader of the

:47:25.:47:28.

Labour Party in entending our condolences to the family and friend

:47:29.:47:36.

of Gerald Kaufman. Prior to PMQ today in Scottish questions minute

:47:37.:47:41.

stirs were unable to answer basic questions about Government plans for

:47:42.:47:48.

agriculture and fisheries. They are devolved areas to the Scottish

:47:49.:47:51.

Government and Parliament. With Brexit ending the role of Brussels,

:47:52.:47:57.

will all decision about agriculture and fisheries be made at Holyrood,

:47:58.:48:02.

yes or no? Well, the right honourable gentleman knows very well

:48:03.:48:08.

we are discussing with the devolved administration the question of the

:48:09.:48:12.

UK framework and devolution of issues as they come back from

:48:13.:48:16.

Brussels. The overriding aim I think for everything we do, when we make

:48:17.:48:20.

those decisions is making sure we don't damage the very important

:48:21.:48:24.

single market of the United Kingdom. A market which I might remind him is

:48:25.:48:28.

more important to Scotland and that the European Union is.

:48:29.:48:35.

There is a very interesting answer because during the Brexit

:48:36.:48:40.

referendum, people in Scotland, including those working in the

:48:41.:48:44.

agriculture and fisheries sectors were told the powers would be

:48:45.:48:49.

exercised fully by the Scottish Government and the Scottish

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Parliament. Now it seems judging by the PM's answer that that is not

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going to be true. Will the Prime Minister confirm today, she has the

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opportunity, will she confirm today, that it is her intention to ensure

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that it is UK ministers that will negotiate and regulate over large

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areas that impact on Scottish fisheries and agriculture

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post-Brexit. I repeat to the right honourable gentleman he seems no to

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have quite understood this point, we are in the process of discussing

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with the devolved administration the question of which of those powers

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that currently reside in Brussels, will be returned and remain at a UK

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level for decision and which would be further devolved into the

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devolved administrations, that is taking place at the moment. When he

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asks about the negotiations for Brexit with the European Union, it

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will be the UK Government that will negotiating with the European Union,

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taking full account of the interests and concerns of the devolved area of

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the devolved administration and the other regions of England.

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Does the Prime Minister aglee when tickets to a teenage cancer charity

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gig by Ed Sheeran are being resold on a ticket website for over ?1,000

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with none of that money going to the charity, and tickets to the hit

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musical Hamilton, are touted for up washed of ?5,000 when via go go know

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the tickets are invalid, what will the Government do ensure genuine

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fans are not fleeced by ticket touts and rogues?

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I thank hill for raising this important issue. I know he has been

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working on it for some time. He is right to identify those

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circumstances as he does where there are websites that are causing, that

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are acting in the way he talks about and causing the problems for people

:50:56.:51:00.

who believe they are able to buy tickets for what they wish to

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attend. I understand he has met by right honourable gentleman the

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Minister of State for digital and cultural matters to discuss this

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issue, as he will by a wear the consumer rights act introduced new

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rules on ticketing and that will be responded to. But we are as a

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government looking at the general issue of where markets are not

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working in the interest of consumers. Can I add my condolences

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to those expressed about the former father of the house and welcome to

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his place the new member for Stoke on Trent. Mr Speaker, young black

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men using mental Health Services are more likely to be subject to

:51:52.:51:57.

detention extreme forms of medication and severe physical

:51:58.:52:02.

restraint and others and this has led to death in extreme case, too

:52:03.:52:07.

many black people with mental ill health are afraid to seek treatment

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from a service they fear will not treat them fairly. Will the Prime

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Minister meet with me and some of the of effected families to discuss

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the need for an inquiry into institutional racism in their mental

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Health Services? I thank the honourable gentleman, I am happy to

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member the new member for Stoke-on-Trent to this house. It is

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because of concern about how many various people were being treated

:52:38.:52:44.

within our public services, that this Government has introduced, I

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introduced an audit of disparity of treatment within public service, I

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saw this as Home Secretary when I looked at the way that particularly

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people with, black people with mental health issues were being

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dealt with in terms of police and detention in various ways and that

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is the sort of issue we are looking at. I am happy for him to write to

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me with the details of the issue he has set out.

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Le Thank you. Would the Prime Minister join me in congratulating

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my West Suffolk college, all the staff and the principal who last

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week in the times education alfurther education award won the

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teaching and learning initiative for the whole country. By combining

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maths, art, religion and science, this initiative drives forward

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inquisitive minds and grows future generations we will need for the

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skills they need succeed. I am very happy to join my right honourable

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friend for the award they have been given in this category for best

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teaching and learning initiative. It is a really interesting initiative

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they have put in place. Congratulate all the staff and this is a sign, I

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think, this award of the dedication of the staff and the students at

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West Suffolk college. All colleges across the country should be

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aspiring to reach #24ez standards, she is is right, we need to ensure

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that young people have not just a skill set, but also the entiring

:54:24.:54:28.

mind that enables them as they look forward to what might be different

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career, to emgreats new skills and change throughout their careers.

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My constituent Joanne Good's 16-year-old daughter Megan

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tragically died after drinking half a three litre bottle of Frosty Jack

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cider which is 7.5% proof and at under ?4 a bottle contains 22 vodka

:54:53.:54:59.

shot equivalents. Does the Prime Minister accept that cheap

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super-strength white cider is a health hazard and should be banned

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or at the very least carry a much higher duty per unit. First of all.

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I am sure that members across the whole house will want to join me in

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offering our deepest similar thinks to the family of this former

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constituent of the honourable lady. She does raise a very important

:55:23.:55:28.

issue. That is why we do as a government recognise the harm that

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is associated with problem consumption of alcohol. These high

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strength cider and beer are taxed more, we have taken action on the

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very cheap alcohol by banning sales below duty plus vat. Young people

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must be made assure of the danger and hashes of alcohol abuse.

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Campaign have had been run offering advice and support and they work

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with charities and in schools to help raise awareness which I think

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is San important part. We are rightly proud that young

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people regardless of race, creed or colour with study at our colleges

:56:09.:56:13.

and university, yet this week Jewish students are being subjected to

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intimidation, fear, and to anti-Semitism as a result of

:56:19.:56:24.

so-called Israel apartheid group, what action willry of make that

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Chancellorings and principles ensure that anti-Semitism is not allow to

:56:30.:56:36.

prosper on campuses. Well, first of all I want to assure my right

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honourable friend hiring education institution have a responsibility to

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ensure they provide a safe and inclusive environment for all

:56:44.:56:47.

students and we expect them to have robust policies in place to comply

:56:48.:56:53.

with the law, to ingaes gate and address hate crime including

:56:54.:56:59.

anti-Semitic incidents reported. I know the universities minister has

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written to remind institutions of these expectations and urged them to

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follow the Government's lead. There is a flaw in the legislative

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reform order with which the Government is seeking to create

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private fund limited partnerships which allows criminal owned cosh

:57:24.:57:27.

limited partnerships to easily convert to to these new types of

:57:28.:57:32.

partnerships. Will the Prime Minister delay that until such times

:57:33.:57:38.

as the current review into SLPs is completed? Completed? Well we have

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taken important steps to tackle money launders and other crimes. On

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the question think raises of Scottish limited partnerships, I

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understand that the Department for Business consulted last year on

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further transparency requirements and they will be publishing

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proposals soon. The Business Secretary is gathering evidence

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which may lead to further reform. My right honourable friend will be

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aware of the concern overs the new business rates and why there is a

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welcome for many of the businesses who have been taken out of business

:58:22.:58:26.

rate there's is a concern among those who have Ian an increase. Can

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she give me an assurance that we will do all we can for these people

:58:31.:58:35.

who work very hard to be the engine room of our economy and a rise of

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this size threaten their livelihood itself. Business rates are based on

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property value. It has opinion seven years since those, this property

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values were last looked at. It is right that we update them. Of

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course, as I recognised last week it is important we have put already put

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-- so that we help the companies who are facing increased bills but as I

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said in this House, have asked my right honourable friends the

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Chancellor and the Communities Secretary to make sure that support

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that is provided is appropriate and is in place for the hardest cases

:59:20.:59:23.

and I would expect my right honourable friend the Chancellor to

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say more about this next week in the budget.

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A recent national awe deaf report showed massive overspend on free

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school sites with the department ex mating it will need to respond more.

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Schools in my constituency are reporting chronic levels of

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underfunding. Will the Prime Minister provide our existing

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schools with the ininvestment they need. #4s...

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Does the Prime Minister agree with me that Welsh interests must remain

:00:20.:00:57.

at the heart of the United Kingdom? As we leave the European Union, the

:00:58.:01:01.

future of the UK union has never been more important.

:01:02.:01:09.

I'd like to thank my honourable friend. He's absolutely right to

:01:10.:01:15.

raise the importance and I would like -- and minding the world -- we

:01:16.:01:26.

are committed to getting a deal that works all parts of the UK, including

:01:27.:01:31.

Wales. The best way to do that is for the administration to continue

:01:32.:01:34.

to work together. I'm pleased to say that I will be hosting a St David's

:01:35.:01:38.

Day reception in Downing Street to celebrate everything that Wales has

:01:39.:01:43.

to offer. Can I once again wish all members of the house...

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SHE SPEAKS WELSH congestion journey times and Bradford Leeds are amongst

:02:00.:02:02.

the worst in the country. Will the Prime Minister committee

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delivering the investment that we desperately need far West Yorkshire

:02:10.:02:15.

Powerhouse? I apologise to the honourable lady because I missed the

:02:16.:02:18.

first part of her question. I think she was talking about investment in

:02:19.:02:23.

infrastructure. HS three, right. I'm very clear that we have set out

:02:24.:02:28.

commitments we have made of the government in relation to

:02:29.:02:30.

infrastructure. As she will know, we do believe that infrastructure plays

:02:31.:02:34.

an important part in encouraging the growth of the economy, and in

:02:35.:02:38.

ensuring that we do increase productivity around the rest of the

:02:39.:02:39.

country. economy and ensuring that we do see

:02:40.:02:42.

that we increase productivity around the rest of the country and we'll be

:02:43.:02:47.

looking at further projects that can do just that. Canvassing in Cortland

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recently, people wanted to talk about the future of their local

:02:59.:03:03.

maternity unit -- Copeland. It was like being at home in Banbury.

:03:04.:03:08.

Rather than politicise the NHS, with the Prime Minister agree to a review

:03:09.:03:15.

of maternity services, encouraging not just care that is safe but also

:03:16.:03:19.

clear that is kind and close to home. My honourable friend raises an

:03:20.:03:28.

important point in relation to local maternity services. I am looking

:03:29.:03:31.

forward to welcoming the new member for Copeland in this House but

:03:32.:03:36.

during the campaign, she made it very clear that she did not want to

:03:37.:03:40.

see any downgrading of the west Cumberland Hospital services but she

:03:41.:03:46.

also put forward a very powerful case for what my honourable friend

:03:47.:03:51.

has just suggested, which is a review to tackle the recruitment

:03:52.:03:53.

issues that affect these maternity services out there and the

:03:54.:03:58.

professionally led review does seem very sensible and then know the

:03:59.:04:03.

health minister is looking at it. A 90-year-old constituent of mine

:04:04.:04:06.

faces being discharged by the mental health trust for a second time

:04:07.:04:11.

because they have neither the skills nor the cash to provide the support

:04:12.:04:16.

he needs. What's the Prime Minister's message to him? I don't

:04:17.:04:23.

not the individual details of the case the honourable gentleman has

:04:24.:04:26.

raised. I know we are ensuring all money is being put into mental

:04:27.:04:31.

health conditions over the year and will continue to be, but if you wish

:04:32.:04:34.

to write to me at the Secretary of State for Health, I'm sure we can

:04:35.:04:41.

look into it. As a leader who wants to spread wealth and opportunity as

:04:42.:04:46.

widely as possible, will the Prime Minister insurer that we end the

:04:47.:04:53.

practice of developers buying freehold land on which they sell new

:04:54.:04:58.

house is on a leasehold basis? Many first-time buyers on help to buy

:04:59.:05:03.

feel they're being ripped off by this practice and look to the

:05:04.:05:08.

Government for help. I thank my honourable friend for raising this

:05:09.:05:12.

point, an issue he has raised previously. I know he is working on

:05:13.:05:16.

it. Our house on the White Paper -- housing White Paper says there

:05:17.:05:21.

should be house developed for people to live in for fairness for

:05:22.:05:24.

leaseholders but we will be consulting on a range of measures to

:05:25.:05:30.

tackle unfair unreasonable abuses of leasehold as my friend has said.

:05:31.:05:35.

Other than exceptional circumstances, I don't see why new

:05:36.:05:40.

homes can't be built and sold at the point. I add my condolences to the

:05:41.:05:52.

family of Gerald Kaufmann. Yesterday I received a new mill from your

:05:53.:05:55.

local pharmacist who since the Government announcement in October

:05:56.:06:01.

has cemented cost-cutting measures including staff and services. --

:06:02.:06:08.

implemented. He has had a reduction of nearly ?9,000 which represents

:06:09.:06:17.

18.8%, well beyond the 4% the pharmacy ministers spoke about in

:06:18.:06:21.

October. Will the Government commit to revisiting community pharmacy

:06:22.:06:29.

funding as a matter of urgency? We all recognise the important service

:06:30.:06:32.

that pharmacists provide that is by spending them has risen in recent

:06:33.:06:36.

years and also we have seen an increase of over 80% in the past

:06:37.:06:41.

decade. The system does need to reform so that the NHS resources are

:06:42.:06:45.

spent efficiently and effectively and just look at some of the

:06:46.:06:50.

figures, two thirds of pharmacies are within ten minutes

:06:51.:07:03.

walk of two others. Many receive a subsidy regardless of size or

:07:04.:07:08.

quality. What we did do is to look at this concern when it was raised

:07:09.:07:11.

last summer and make changes to ensure there was greater support

:07:12.:07:13.

available to pharmacies in particular areas. One of David

:07:14.:07:22.

Cameron's greatest legacies were his efforts to fight human trafficking

:07:23.:07:27.

and modern-day slavery under the act. Last year this country looked

:07:28.:07:31.

after 800,000 children in Syria or the surrounding countries for the

:07:32.:07:38.

same investment of looking after 3000 in this country. By doing that,

:07:39.:07:44.

we helped defeat human trafficking. Could the Prime Minister confirm

:07:45.:07:46.

that we will continue with that policy? I'm very happy to join my

:07:47.:07:52.

honourable friend in paying tribute to David Cameron. I was very pleased

:07:53.:07:56.

he supported the modern slavery act when I propose we should introduce

:07:57.:08:00.

it and we had indeed committed to continuing our policy in relation to

:08:01.:08:04.

this area. I have setup a modern slavery task force at number ten,

:08:05.:08:08.

which I chair, bringing together various parties to ensure that

:08:09.:08:11.

across Government, we are doing what is necessary both to break the

:08:12.:08:16.

criminal gangs, deal with the perpetrators and provide necessary

:08:17.:08:20.

support for the victims. May I on behalf of my honourable friend join

:08:21.:08:24.

with the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition in expressing

:08:25.:08:27.

condolences to the family of the late father of the House, he will be

:08:28.:08:35.

greatly missed. The Prime Minister I'm sure cannot have failed to

:08:36.:08:38.

notice the intervention by two former Prime Ministers recently with

:08:39.:08:45.

the Brexit debate and as helpful as they were, I'm sure, I'm sure the

:08:46.:08:51.

Prime Minister will know, of course, what they and everyone else means by

:08:52.:09:00.

hard Brexit, soft Brexit, but we all wondering what is meant by a soft

:09:01.:09:03.

coup! LAUGHTER

:09:04.:09:09.

When indeed it may be triggered and when we bother it has been triggered

:09:10.:09:15.

or not! Perhaps the Prime Minister can elucidate on that since she has

:09:16.:09:19.

been so helpful in so many other ways. Which eg the opportunity today

:09:20.:09:24.

however to make it clear that whatever former Prime Ministers for

:09:25.:09:28.

the unelected upper house might say, the reality is that her plan to

:09:29.:09:33.

trigger Article 50 by the end of March is now clearly on track?

:09:34.:09:39.

CHEERING I thank the honourable gentleman for

:09:40.:09:43.

the question that he has asked. It is my plan to trigger Article 50 by

:09:44.:09:49.

the end of March, rather than triggering any kind of coup. It is

:09:50.:09:56.

still our intention to do that. It is important the Article 50 builders

:09:57.:10:00.

respond to the judgment of the Supreme Court but also responds to

:10:01.:10:06.

the voice of the United Kingdom when people voted to ensure we do leave

:10:07.:10:09.

the European Union and that is what we will do. Mr Speaker, perhaps you

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like many here today took a shower this morning.

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LAUGHTER I am sure, Mr Speaker, you are very

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careful to check whether the shower gel contained micro beads. Products

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containing them can result... The thrust of this fascinating question!

:10:47.:10:53.

Let's hear it. Shower gel products containing them can result in

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100,000 micro beads or plastics being washed down the drain every

:10:58.:11:03.

time you use them. This damage is precious habitats. With the Prime

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Minister join with me in welcoming the steps this Government is taking

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to introduce a ban on micro beads used in cosmetics and care products.

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The consultation ended just a few days ago. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I

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think I should say for clarity to members of this House that I am not

:11:34.:11:36.

in a position to know whether or not you took a shower this morning.

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LAUGHTER My honourable friend has raised a

:11:47.:11:50.

very important point and it is completely unnecessary to add

:11:51.:11:54.

plastics to products like face washes and body scrub were harmless

:11:55.:12:00.

alternatives can be used. As she referred to at the end of her

:12:01.:12:04.

question, our consultation to ban micro beads in products closed

:12:05.:12:09.

recently. We were aiming to change legislation by October 20 17th and

:12:10.:12:13.

we also ask for what more can be done in future to prevent other

:12:14.:12:17.

sources of plastic from entering the marine environment because we are

:12:18.:12:20.

committed to being the first generation ever to leave the

:12:21.:12:22.

environment in a better state than it was inherited and I'm sure we can

:12:23.:12:27.

work together to bring an end to these harmful plastics clogging up

:12:28.:12:35.

our oceans. I think people are assured by what the Prime Minister

:12:36.:12:42.

just said! Along the corridor in South Wales, families woke up this

:12:43.:12:49.

morning worried about potential job losses at Ford in Bridgend. Families

:12:50.:12:56.

are particularly frightened that Ford is not going to be able to

:12:57.:13:00.

bring new contracts into the factory with the uncertainty of Brexit ahead

:13:01.:13:06.

of them. Can I have an assurance from the Prime Minister that she

:13:07.:13:11.

will ensure our ministers meet with Ford and the union to see what can

:13:12.:13:16.

be done to support Ford to ensure continuity of engine production in

:13:17.:13:23.

the Bridgend Ford plant? Can I reassure the honourable lady that

:13:24.:13:26.

one of our automotive sectors is one of the most productive in the world

:13:27.:13:29.

and be what is she going from strength to strength? That's why

:13:30.:13:32.

ministers in this Government have been engaging with various companies

:13:33.:13:37.

within the sector including Ford and other companies. Ford is an

:13:38.:13:41.

important investor here. It has been established for over 100 years. We

:13:42.:13:45.

now account for around a third of its global engine production and

:13:46.:13:49.

Bridgend continue to be an important part of that. We have had dialogue

:13:50.:13:53.

with Ford and will continue to have regular dialogue with Ford about the

:13:54.:13:56.

ways Government can help to make sure the success continues.

:13:57.:14:03.

into extra time yet again Prime Minister's Questions. It's almost a

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quarter to one. We will come back to that in a minute. Some big news out

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of Paris, Francois Fillon, the centre-right presidential candidate,

:14:15.:14:19.

has been summoned to meet magistrates on March the 15th

:14:20.:14:22.

because of their investigation into the employment of his wife and a

:14:23.:14:28.

total sum over the years of 900,000 euros. There is some doubt over

:14:29.:14:32.

whether any work was done for that tax payers' money. To be summoned

:14:33.:14:36.

before magistrates is almost a certain precursor to Mr Fillon being

:14:37.:14:44.

charged with misuse of public funds. March the 15th is just over five

:14:45.:14:47.

weeks away from friends going to the polls in the first round of the

:14:48.:14:53.

presidential election on April 23. Mr Fillon was a one-time favourite.

:14:54.:14:57.

He was knocked back because of this scandal. Now that it looks like he

:14:58.:15:01.

is being prosecuted, he could take a further hit in the polls which could

:15:02.:15:04.

mean that the play-off on March the 7th could be between Mr Macron, and

:15:05.:15:13.

the national front's Madame Le Pen. This is important not just for

:15:14.:15:19.

friends, but the United Kingdom because Macron or Le Pen will have

:15:20.:15:23.

serious implications for Brexit negotiations. Mr Macron is not keen

:15:24.:15:29.

to give written much at all, as he made clear last week. Madame Le Pen

:15:30.:15:34.

wants to come out of the euro and EU, which would probably ten Brexit

:15:35.:15:38.

into something as a sideshow as far as the EU was concerned. So

:15:39.:15:41.

important news that out of Paris. We were talking about disability

:15:42.:15:55.

allowances before PMQ. The Prime Minister tried to answer as best she

:15:56.:15:58.

could. It's a difficult issue for the Government. Michael Murray,

:15:59.:16:03.

excellent forensic performance by Jeremy Corbyn, Theresa May's

:16:04.:16:07.

response proves the Tory party is till the nasty party. Theresa May

:16:08.:16:12.

very strong today. Well prepared meaning she could answer

:16:13.:16:17.

questionings. John said cheap shots from May on the Copeland vote. It

:16:18.:16:22.

was not a vote of confidence in the Tory, I live there. Andy says going

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by Jeremy Corbyn's question it is clear Labour have relinquished by

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the party of the worker they are the party of the disability. The court

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ruled to extend the paymentstor, people suffering psychological

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distress, was that the main widening? There are two separate

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rule what the two tribunals did was extend the criteria from the

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existing rules and regulations, so technically speaking it is not a

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cut, but there are people who do not currently receive the benefits who

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appealed to the court to say they ought to be entitled to them, the

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court decide they should. The Government said they disagree

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because of the cost. The cost would be 3.7 billion. So not insignificant

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when the Chancellor made it clear there is not much money to go round,

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my sense at the moment is while there are Tory backbenchers who are

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concerned it doesn't right now have the heat in this to force the

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Government to back down, but I think ministers are working hard to stave

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off a rebellion. And the Prime Minister was saying that this

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wouldn't make a difference to people who already get benefits, is that

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true? That is my understanding, is this is about the history natural

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said PIP payments should be extended to people in some groups, for

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example people who have such, mental health problems who find it in the

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one case that went the tribunal extremely distressing to go out and

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about. Therefore they should be entitled to some form of help to go

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about living dale life more easily. As I understand it the ruling would

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extend the benefits to people who do not receive them, rather than what

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Jeremy Corbyn was suggesting, these are what we would see as traditional

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cuts and the implication is taking away from people something they

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have. It is harder to fight something if it is a benefit that

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people get into their bank account and you are going to take away. The

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3.7 billion is a build up, 2022,/23. It is not like 3.7 #3w8 tomorrow.

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No, over the course of time. Who would have thought John Ashworth

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that the Prime Minister was watching you on television? Assuming she has

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rushed back to the TV set again... I hardly think it was a zing tore say

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the Labour Party can't write a budget for 2022/23. It is reasonable

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not to expect them. That is point we are making, as we go into the next

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election will put forward detail plans for spending commitments. We

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won't do that in 2017, that is not what opposition parties do at this

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stage. She knows that. She used to make arguments like this when we

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were in Government. I remember during the election campaign in this

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very studio, asking Conservatives again and again, if they plan to cut

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welfare by 12 billion, and how would they do it? And answer came there

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none to either question, that is how oppositions behave, because they

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then do it. We have seen today a very full and Frank discussion on

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what we are planning to do on #3i7, making sure the assessment is right

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and accurate. Getting the assessment right, this is what matters and

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taking this tribunal ruling into account, to make sure we ensure that

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everybody is assessed properly, but people will always have differing

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needs, and differing costs flowing from those needs. The assessment has

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to capture that. Events across then champion, very significant, because

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Mr Fillip's campaign was already in trouble before the news it is almost

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certain he is going to be prosecuted which makes his campaign more of the

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walking wounded and suggests, polls will suggest Mr Macron or Madame Le

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Pen will be the two candidates to go through to the second round. France

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doing a clearing out to the top two, unless someone gets 50% in the first

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round. Speaking to some people in the Foreign Office, just as the

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British government had no plan for Brexit, I was astounded to be told

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they had no contingency plan for a Le Pen President S When you talk to

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minister, it is something interesting since the Lancaster

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House speech, in the last month or so ministers are becoming more

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optimistic, of doing a Brexit deal. They say this European counterparts

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have got over the original fury and are starting to feel we can go down

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and do a deal. So the first stages of a divorce you tell someone you

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are leaving then the other person says I hate you, then they say I

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hate you so we have to talk about access to the children. That process

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has happened. When you ask the question what about Le Pen, that is

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the unexploited bomb. That is uncontrollable, an event they are

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not planning for because knob would note what she would do. She said she

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would try to take people out of the euro in a slight parallel to Trump

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perhaps, there are parallels that are too simplistic to draw, but new

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a parallel to Trump there is a question about her, would she do the

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things she said she wants to do? Would she say I am going to try and

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immediately take France out... She count have a majority in the

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assembly to do so. 23 we think how they have been some of them the

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strongest federalists in the European Union, how France has been

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the driving force in terms opt no just keeping the European Union

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together, but in terms of expanding its reach, it is not clear to the

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Foreign Office here or anyone else she would want to do the things she

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said she would be able to do. Be able to do them. You are right. One

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of the huge events that would upset the ale card. Where the uncertainty

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would come in, is that neither Mr Macron Norma dam he pep would have

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the votes in the French Parliament, there are few National Front MPs and

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although there will be more, there will still be a small number. Mr

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Macron doesn't have a party, he is trying to turn one into a party. It

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would be a time of great uncertainty in either result. Huge uncertainty

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and instability, which means the whole approach to Europe and the

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Brexit negotiations become more precarious, and Brexit has happened

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now, we have to respect the wisheses of the country, I accept that as

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much as I'm campaigned for the other side, but I am worried about what

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means over the coming weeks and months. A quick thought today

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Jean-Claude Juncker is put foger ward a white paper for the future of

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the European Union, so without the Marine Le Pen potential victory,

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there are serious conversations happening in the European Union

:23:55.:23:57.

about what it should look like in ten years' time. I wonder if to

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tease the UK Government one of the options they have put forward is

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about only having the single market. What an economic relationship? Which

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is what many Tories who campaigned said, if it just a trading

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agreement, fine. Happy days. He obviously has had a good breakfast.

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Later the Government could be dealt the first defeat for its Brexit

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bill. Later this afternoon,

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peers are expected to agree an amendment to the bill -

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demanding that the rights of EU citizens living

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in the UK are protected. Despite the Home Secretary writing

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a letter to peers and reassuring them that this will be

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a priority once divorce talks begin, the amendment has attracted support

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from across the House. To discuss the politics of it all,

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I'm joined now from the Lords by Labour's Dianne Hayter,

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who tabled the amendment. Do you not think the Home Secretary

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has a point. However well intentioned this is about

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guaranteeing the right of EU foreign nationals it risks leaving hundreds

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of thousands of British citizens on the Continent in limbo if we do

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something unilaterally. ? Remember, we started this process, we decided

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we want to come out of the European Union, and I think therefore, we

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have an obligation to those people who moved to Britain in good faith,

:25:22.:25:27.

thinking we were going to stay in the European Union, to safeguard the

:25:28.:25:30.

rights they thought they had when they came here, a number are married

:25:31.:25:35.

to Brit, they have been here 20, 30 years, they may have British

:25:36.:25:39.

children, they have been in jobs for years, and the different between

:25:40.:25:45.

these, and the nationals who live abroad, is it for us to decide what

:25:46.:25:49.

happens to those people in on our own shore, that is what we are

:25:50.:25:54.

asking to Government to do. Do you expect the Government to be defeated

:25:55.:25:58.

in the Lords on this? My amendment has the support after a Liberal

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Democrat, a kith, and of an independent peer. And I think that

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is always a very strong signal. You think, yes. We always in the Lords

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still have to argue our case, we don't whip them in in the same way,

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we still have to make the argument. If fact we are hoping the Home

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Secretary might listen in to the arguments. A bit like Theresa May

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did. It was a shame she said we should not pass an amendment without

:26:29.:26:34.

having listened to the arguments. If you get it through how situation

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significant is it really? Unless there is a big backbench rebellion

:26:39.:26:44.

in the Commons or ministers make a concession, it won't come back,

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would you try and am end maniment for a second time. First let us win

:26:49.:26:53.

end see what they do. My judgment is if we get a big vote today and it's

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a very clear direction to the elected Government, that it should

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do something, it needs to think, listen, maybe we got this wrong,

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maybe we should do this unilateral thing now of simply saying to

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people, the rights you already had and expected we will look after

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those and which ought not to be part of the negotiation in any way. Put

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that to one side. I hope that the Government will listen. Just stay

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there for a moment. If there is a big groundswell of support for this

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and it is passed in the Lord. It does put the government in an

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awkward position. We asked the EU to deal with it before we triggered

:27:39.:27:41.

Article 50. They declined that opportunity. They want to say it

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should only start by discussed after we triggered Article 50. We hope we

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can resolved it shortly thereafter. Should the Government think again?

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This is about a unilateral move. I no the Government tried it says it

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in negotiations but should they think again? It isn't just about it

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being unilateral, it has to be with the agreement of the EU. We can't

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have that discussion. It will be a case of pinging it back to the Lords

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and then if they have said to its us they are going to stick to

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timetable? Your earlier thing about what is happening in France and

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election in Germany, means it would be at least a year before the EU is

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in a position to say anything about EU nationals. I don't think it is

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right for three many people to have to wait a year to know their future.

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We are not clear whether hay would have to wait that long. Thank you

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for joining us. My understanding is the British Government expects to

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deal quickly that the Spanish and east Europeans have been squared on

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that, it could be resolved quickly. Let us give you the answer to guess

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the year. The one o'clock news is

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starting over on BBC One now. Jo and I will be here at noon

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tomorrow, with all the big The very embodiment of the England

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that must emerge.

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Jo Coburn and Andrew Neil introduce live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. They are joined by rail minister Paul Maynard and shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth to discuss measures expected in next week's Budget and planned rail strikes by the RMT union.


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