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Hello and welcome to
the Daily Politics.
He's gone - Theresa May
has sacked Damian Green,
after an inquiry found he'd made
about pornography found
on his office computer.
The Prime Minister has lost a close
ally and her third cabinet
minister in two months.
This year has seen Theresa May's
fortunes transformed for the worse,
a lot worse, while Jeremy Corbyn
ends within reach of power -
unless he isn't.
We'll look back at
the highs and the lows of 2017.
You know what, it's been
a busy year in politics.
And who knows what
the next 12 months could hold?
So we've come here to London's
West End to ask Christmas shoppers,
are you feeling optimistic
or pessimistic about 2018?
And it isn't Christmas until we've
revealed which well-known political
figure has put on the white beard
to become this year's
Daily Politics Secret Santa.
All that in the next hour of this
Daily Politics Christmas Special,
our last programme of 2017.
And the very best one
to present, it says here.
Andrew and Jo wrote that before
they went off Christmas shopping
and left me behind to fill in.
What a year it's been
in politics, though.
We'll look back, and look forward
to another one in 2018.
And joining me for all of it,
four guests we'd all love to see
turning up on our doorstep singing -
MPs Peter Bone and Jess Phillips,
and the journalists
Zoe Williams and Harry Cole.
Welcome to all of you.
First today, let's talk
about the big story
that broke last night,
just as MPs were voting
on the withdrawal bill
in the Commons, the news that
Theresa May had sacked her deputy
and old university friend,
the First Secretary
of State Damian Green.
His job had been hanging
in the balance since the beginning
of November after claims
of inappropriate behaviour
towards a journalist,
and claims he had viewed pornography
on a computer in his office.
He denied both and still does,
but an official inquiry found he'd
made untrue and misleading
statements denying he even knew
about the pornography,
and for that he had to go.
He is the third minister
to resign in two months.
So a big political story to end
the year, and Ellie Price
is here with the details.
John, thank you.
Damian Green was being investigated
by an official at the Cabinet Office
after allegations that he made
unwanted advances and sent
to the writer and journalist,
Kate Maltby, in 2015.
He was also being investigated
about public statements he made
about claims by police that
pornography was found
on his parliamentary computer.
Officers had raided his office back
in 2008 during a separate
Home Office leaks.
Damian Green strongly denied both
of these accusations and has
maintained his innocence throughout.
The Cabinet Office report said
he had made "inaccurate
and misleading" statements
by denying he knew about
the discovery of the pornography,
and had breached
the ministerial code.
Regarding Kate Maltby,
the investigation found
there were "competing
and contradictory accounts"
and it was "not possible to reach
a definitive conclusion"
on the appropriateness
of Damian Green's behaviour.
Although they added that Ms Maltby's
account was "plausible".
The report finishes by saying that
Damian Green maintains his innocence
over claims he viewed pornography
on his Parliamentary computer
and the investigation reaches
"no conclusion" on this matter.
In her letter to Damian Green,
Theresa May expressed "deep
regret" at his departure
but said his actions "fell short"
of the conduct expected
of a cabinet minister.
In his reply, Damian Green
admitted his statements
about the pornography
could have been "clearer".
And apologised that
they were "misleading".
He also apologised to Kate Maltby
for making her feel uncomfortable.
Thanks very much.
Let's talk now to our political
correspondent, Alex Forsyth.
Alex, hello, what are you picking up
now on this sacking, what have you
heard from Downing Street? And the
House of Commons?
thing you get, especially from
Theresa May's letter to Damian Green
is the regret at the fact he had to
go. It cannot be estimated how close
these two were, they met at
university 40 years ago, they were
in parliament at the same time, they
are close friends and allies, he was
her trusted confidant, that comes
across in the opening few lines of
her letter. She sets it out clearly.
There's no doubt Theresa May didn't
want to have to make this decision
but because of that breach of the
ministerial code that only talked
about, she felt she had no choice.
It's interesting, there are a number
of Conservative MPs pointing the
finger at the role of police. There
were two officers who made public
the fact that pornography had been
found on computers in Damian Green's
office. They have been criticised by
not least the Metropolitan Police
commissioner looking into the fact
that they disclosed confidential
information, and now a number of
Conservative MPs saying that perhaps
that was not the right thing to do.
Theresa May herself, in her letter
to Damian Green, said she had
concerns about the action of police.
I do think there's a sense that
while Theresa May felt that she had
little choice but to take this
course of action that she wanted to
avoid, there are bigger questions
about what happened more broadly
when it came to the raid on Damian
Green's offers a number of years ago
and what was found subsequently.
It's worth saying that the police
officers who disclose that
information said they felt compelled
to do so because it was in the
public interest and they feared a
cover-up but on that front I think
there is more to come. When it comes
to Theresa May and her government
there is no doubt that she cuts a
lonely figure at the top having lost
No mushroom cloud in
the Tory party about this, we
remember David Davis in the Cabinet,
he threw a protective arm around
Damian Green when this went to a new
level if you days ago. He said
effectively through intermediaries
that he would be prepared to walk if
Damian Green was the victim of a
police revenge operation. He's not
going to go?
It doesn't sound like
that, he's kept quiet is this all
broke publicly last night but
various people are suggesting he's
got no intention to resign at this
stage. The Prime Minister's
spokesman was asked about it and he
said there were conversations
between David Davis and Theresa May
that will remain between them but
there's no sense he's going
anywhere. It sounded like it was a
threat made that he has rowed back
from. I think around the Cabinet
table at least, this resignation
about what has happened here, the
fact that Theresa May had to take
some course of action, given the
findings of the enquiry. What is
interesting to note is when Theresa
May was first given those enquiry
findings on Monday, this was a
Cabinet Office enquiry, she took the
decision to ask her independent
adviser on the ministerial
standards, to look at them. He did
so on Tuesday and reported back
yesterday. Theresa May really did
take a pretty close examination of
what was found, to see what course
of vaccine she has to follow.
Whether she felt she had a choice
around that. Who knows? She has been
clear on her level about extreme
sadness at Damian Green's departure.
Alex, thank you. -- the cause of
action she has to follow. What does
this sacking mean for Theresa May's
strength when we are talking about
the Prime Minister, she had no
choice but to sack Damian Green, is
that the truth? She said he lied and
he had to go.
Is pretty open and
shut, there's not a lot of ambiguity
in telling the truth around this.
Once you've set on two separate
occasions that something was not
true, I don't think she could have
just ignored it. I don't know if
somebody stronger could have served
Is not necessarily the
misdemeanour that gets you but it's
always the light, going back to the
Why do none of
these people watch the West Wing?
doubt that Theresa May fought to
keep him. Everybody's been asking
what is going to happen over the
last few weeks and no doubt that the
timing is admirable, she has jetted
off to Poland, MPs are going away
for the Christmas break. If this
happened three weeks ago, pre-,
maybe getting progress on the Brexit
talks? When she was in a weaker
position? She has firmed up her
position in the party, but Europe on
the brunt foot and slipped out the
results. While obviously it is bad
news, no way losing three Cabinet
ministers in two months is bad news!
It's not as devastating as it could
I don't agree on waiting until
it's Christmas and then they forget.
She will not be hauled into the
Commons tomorrow to talk about it.
Let me go to the other side of the
table... Peter, a very happy
Christmas to you. A lot more
Christmas to come, you've no idea!
What's the feeling you've picked up
on the Tory side about the way this
came out? The police leaking
information about an investigation,
that was not meant to happen?
Everybody thought that Damian would
be cleared, and had he said two
things that were not true, it
wouldn't have been a problem, he has
done nothing illegal and has
completely denied looking at
pornography. I absolutely believe
him on that. But if you lie to
someone, if you lie to the Prime
Minister, you are out basically. As
simple as that. But the other side
of it, it is the police thing. I
think it is quite extraordinary. I'm
a great fan of the police generally
but there's been a number of cases
now where staff has been leaked to
newspapers or to the public which
should have remain confidential. If
you have a situation where police
can raid your property on the basis
that it is on a warrant looking for
certain information, you find
something else and then you put that
in the public domain, we have got a
That is why these rules
It is very worrying.
asked all of you, do you feel sorry
for Damian Green this morning? I'm
picking up from you, Jess, because I
missed you to like that! You don't
feel sorry for him?
I don't, at all.
On a human level, I was about to
swear, but I won't! He's in a
rubbish situation, he's going home
for Christmas. As somebody who has
worked with victims my whole life, I
know that they feel guilty about
their wives and children, and the
families, and the jobs of the people
that they make accusations about.
They rack themselves and they say, I
would come forward. I know his wife,
his girlfriend. The person who
should feel guilty as the person who
does the thing wrong.
would not have come forward if
somebody didn't come forward. Sue
Gray, the Cabinet ethics watchdog
found her account credible. That's
the only reason the police, however
they justify it to themselves, came
forward. It's a he said, she said,
situation and it's very clear that
this would not have happened if
somebody hadn't come forward.
Whispers were that Damian Green felt
that he was going to be cleared...
He put up on Instagram a picture of
himself in a Christmas jumper!
call a spade a spade. The man lied,
and the reason he did that, during a
public investigation into him, is
because he is entitled and he felt
like he was going to get away with
it and nothing bad was going to
happen. He still felt a level of
impunity, to lie about it to the
It's interesting, isn't it?
Where does it leave Theresa May?
What she had to do? Replacing Damian
Green in that role isn't going to be
The job was to show her up
last time she was in dire straits,
in June after the election. She
called on her closest friend to
bring him in as a shield, to help
her with Brexit and see off any
challenges, and basically get her
machine up and running again.
William Hague wanted this job he
could have it in a heartbeat?
don't think he wants it! The show is
now on the road again, Downing
Street operations are up to
strength. The chief of staff, things
are motoring now.
You are basically
saying because she has a full
commitment of members of staff...
don't think it is necessary to pull
someone out of a job they are doing
already to make them in this already
seeped up job which was created at a
time when literally half the Downing
Street were becoming MPs or fired or
quit! There's going to be an empty
If there is to be a
replacement, there may not be in
this position, who would it be? Who
do she trust that much who doesn't
want to be Prime Minister? Karen
Bradley is in the Cabinet...
Harry was right, the person they
would not look too is William Hague
but there is an issue. I understand
that Damian was running the Cabinet
Office operation of coordinating
everything, especially to do with
Brexit. Somebody's got to be put in
that role. Perhaps a junior
They have three men
doing it already, can't they do it?
The people in charge of Brexit.
You can tell by the way
that Brexit is going how
meticulously coordinated it has
You noticed that. I would
think that we are going to have to
have someone promoted.
Give us a
tip? Hull Dominic Raab, he would do
a good job. He would be a junior
You all know that we
are all Brexiteers now! That's
In the Conservative Party,
I know that you want a second
referendum and want to stay in...
Your site has been proven to have
not much of a relationship with the
truth, which was your comment there.
A lot of talk this morning about how
it has left Theresa May battered and
bruised, you can't lose a senior
colleague without bumps and bruises.
I think she will be all right and
will survive this. I have predicted
Theresa May will resign every 20
minutes for the last six months.
Extraordinary in PMQ 's yesterday,
literally, her main point was
showing off she was still Prime
Six questions on the NHS.
We are going to move on.
So Theresa May has lost another
cabinet minister and an old friend.
It seems the Prime Minister knew
she was going to give him the sack
before she had to sit through two
hours of questioning
by parliament's Liaison Committee,
that's made up of the heads of each
Commons select committee.
Let's have a look at
Yvette Cooper questioning her.
They're not virtual,
they have to be physical.
Are you ruling out cameras
at the Northern Ireland border?
What I'm saying is that,
as part of our negotiations,
we will be ensuring that there is no
hard border between Northern Ireland
and the Republic of Ireland.
That can be achieved
in a number of ways,
and I'm not going to sit
here at the moment...
A camera's a camera.
And I am not going to say
precisely how we achieve that,
because we are going
into a negotiation.
OK, that's also baffling.
On the process, now that
amendment seven is in,
can you confirm that there will
be a vote on a statute for
the withdrawal treaty is ratified?
We can speak now to someone
who was watching Theresa May's
every movement yesterday,
Times sketchwriter Patrick Kidd,
who this morning writes of that
committee that the Prime Minister
'displayed all the humanity
of a Toyota production line'.
You'll be off her Christmas
card list then Patrick?
Yes, I have been bumped off the
Christmas card list, I got one last,
I got one from Nigel Evans, but
nothing from Theresa May, which
means I have done my job well.
did you make of how she handled
herself yesterday on what we now
know to be a tough day than it
seemed to be.
It was a tough day for
her, we had primaries does questions
went on for nearly the full hour.
She was asked about the NHS, the
middle of winter, everyone is saying
budgets are tight, and she shouldn't
be winning on the NHS. But she did
have a good day. Backbenchers
drummed their feet on the floor and
said, more. That sent her off in a
buoyant mood. She had nearly two
hours in front of the Justice league
of select committee. Nicky Morgan,
chairman of the treasuries, was one
of them. There are people like
Yvette Cooper, who have been nemesis
going way back. She did the Theresa
May thing. We have talked about it
before, Geoffrey Boycott was her
hero as a child, she did the full
defensive blocking show, nothing
flash, and kept them out.
Justice league, we liked that. Who
was wonder woman?
Rachel Reeves was
wearing a jacket made out of genuine
Muppet fur, so that was the best
You can call her a machine,
you did, in your piece, but robots
don't look as if they are somewhere
us, and she does look like that
quite a lot of the time, are you
That is partly my job.
She has had a horrid year. She has
lost a majority, lost her 20 point
lead in popularity. She opens a
cupboard and finds a years worth of
detritus... But she is a survivor,
and robots are built to last,
perhaps, and it helps that no one
really wants her... They don't want
the bad bits of the job, and there
are lots of bad bits of being Prime
Minister at the moment. She is
there, the poor woman, for quite a
while to come. Apart from losing her
close friend yesterday, which will
be a bit like having Christmas and
finding a rancid Satsuma in the
stocking, I think she had a good
What about Theresa May, the
tough woman, she is often called
tough, but we also know, when the
exit poll came in on election night,
she shed a tear, but we don't blame
her for that. Is she tough or simply
Probably a bit of both. We
don't see the vulnerable woman. I
think she has a heart, of course she
does, she would find it very hard
not to be pained by a lot of this,
especially losing an old friend. I
think we saw Theresa May at her best
a couple of times earlier this year
when there was a crisis, the day
after the Ariana Grande concert, I
think she gave a really good
statesman-like response. The trouble
is crisis follows crisis, follows
crisis, and after a while, it is a
shambles all around you. But she is
a divider. She begins each day with
Gloria Gaynor playing on her record
player. And she is still there,
famously Margaret Thatcher didn't
show an ability until she left
Downing Street, until you saw tears.
That was one of her finest moments
after the terrorist attack, you are
no more qualified of answering this
than anyone else, but do you think
Theresa May wishes she was somewhere
else and not primaries at all just
Just now, yes. I wonder, she
loves to get away from things. When
she goes on holiday, she went to
Snowdonia at Easter, walking in the
Swiss Alps as if I were her, I would
get away with Philip, who has been
her rock, she has the most important
job in politics at the moment.
Patrick Kidd not being nice about
Theresa May, but that is his job,
As it's our final show of the year
we're going to take a look back
at some of the defining
moments of 2017.
There were plenty of them,
but nothing confounded expectations
quite as much as June's snap general
election, although obviously
all of us here saw the result
coming a mile off.
Let's take a look.
I have just chaired a meeting
of the cabinet, where we agreed
that the government should
call a general election.
Not another one!!
# Over and over and over and over
# Like a monkey
with a miniature cymbal
# The joy of repetition
really is in you
It's about providing
a strong and stable
leadership this country needs.
This is a programme of hope.
Winning those 56 seats
will be a huge challenge
for Nicola Sturgeon's party.
Ruth Davidson has predicted
that we've hit peak now,
that the only way is down.
Nothing has changed.
Nothing has changed.
The Prime Minister
is not here tonight.
She can't be bothered,
so why should you?
I get to decide when I take the bins
out, not if I take the bins out.
And what we're saying
is the Conservatives are
the largest party.
Note, they don't have
an overall majority at this stage.
I'm sorry for all those candidates
and hard-working party workers.
Theresa May is a dead woman walking,
it's just how long she's
going to remain on death row.
That's why I've chosen to step down
as leader of the Liberal Democrats.
I'm standing down today
as the leader of Ukip
with immediate effect.
Deal or no deal, Mrs Foster?
Today, we have reached an outcome
that is good for the United Kingdom.
We're going to turn now
to a regular feature
of the Daily Politics Christmas
special, that's where we demonstrate
beyond doubt why it is that
most TV quiz shows are pre-recorded
and not broadcast live.
Yes, it's our quiz of the year.
And we've decided to pit
our MPs against our journalists,
so it's Zoe and Harry up
against Peter and Jess.
And just to ratchet up the tension
I can confirm that absolutely
nothing is at stake beyond
the very limited bragging rights.
You can take them away with you on
your Christmas holidays.
You may have noticed
there are buzzers in front of you,
so let's hear them one at a time.
Zoe you go first.
Not my spaniel...
He is an easy one
to begin with. Stand by your bosses.
Here's an easy one to begin with,
who can tell me what drink
was blamed for leadership plots
against Theresa May this summer?
Nothing has changed.
A bottle of
It was present over. I
thought that was an easy one. Let's
take a look at the Ukip leader
discussing social care with some of
the other leaders in the election
debate in May.
I think BLEEP is absolutely right.
My fault. Sorry. Accident.
You've done it twice now.
Have I? I'm sorry about that.
Here is the question, what name did
Paul Nuttall mistakenly call Leanne
Nothing has changed.
That is a point, we are
keeping score, for Harry. Which of
these is the odd one out and why?
Jam... A manhole cover... State...
And a copy of the morning Star
Not my spaniel.
Corbyn is vegetarian, but he is an
enthusiastic about all the other
You are right.
They are apparently
a rich variety of manhole covers,
and they are about the individual
person that makes them.
I want to
keep the sense of momentum going.
Which Parliamentary candidate s used
this custom piece of audio to reach
out to voters online?
Who was first?
great night. Did anyone else know
that? -- Greg Knight will we need to
get on, stand by your buzzards.
The next round is all about Brexit,
contain your excitement, look at
Peter, he looks like someone that
has woken up and found something
under the Christmas tree. This is
Theresa May giving her Lancaster
house Peat enzuigiri.
It is right the government should
prepare for every eventuality, but
do so in the knowledge that a
constructive and optimistic approach
to negotiations to come is in the
best interests of Europe and the
best interests of Britain.
these... It is the next question in
its as I am getting overexcited.
Theresa May at Lancaster in January.
Was it don't behave like the
Nazis... Or don't... It was
something about the Second World
We will give you a point. That
is pretty much exactly it.
he didn't quite say that.
are ahead. 2-1.
You have got to pull
I didn't believe in
On the subject
of elections, let us look at that, I
would like to hear your thoughts on,
do we accept that a Corbyn led
government is a very real... Leave
the buttons alone eczema you can
take them home. Do we think that a
Jeremy Corbyn government now is a
real possibility? You are shaking
I don't think so. The
problem Theresa May had in the
election, she spend the first four
weeks of trying to convince voters
that she needed an election because
Jeremy Corbyn was a credible threat
to Britain and could actually win.
It dragged on and dragged on, but
actually, if he is not going to win,
we might as big for him anyway. Next
time, she might do that, and because
he got Labour back, he is now a
threat. People realise he could be
on the steps of power, the floating
voters... Or didn't bother coming
The thing is, Harry, and this
is why your predictions for what
happened in the election are worse
than mine is because you don't take
any notice of how popular he is. You
can't see it. You see customary, and
you think it is silly kids. You
think it is rent a crowd... There is
actually a groundswell of support
for him, which you can't ignore.
am not ignoring it.
You are ignoring
Argue taking into account that
if you look at the opinion polls,
they come out every five minutes, he
is ahead in some of the polls, you
could argue with the government, the
Labour Party should be miles ahead,
but has Jeremy Corbyn peaked?
talk about the past and say, the
polls say this, but they have been
wrong for at least seven years now
and they are wrong because asking
people to predict how they feel
about a way to vote is not a good
way of finding out how they will
vote. It doesn't work. The polls say
to everybody, these two parties are
neck and neck. The point is, the
polls of 41-41, how do you feel? ...
Theresa May. It doesn't actually...
It has never formally been polled.
They don't exist.
The fear of the Jeremy Corbyn
government unites your party, your
side are an absolute terror. Is that
I don't think it is
terror, when it goes on for a while,
on the governing side, there may be
some opposition, that might not be
such a bad thing?
The situation is,
in the electoral cycle, we've been
in power a long time and therefore
the opposition is about time that
they won. Oppositions cannot win
elections. It is all in Theresa
May's hands. She's got to do two
things. She's got to have a
successful Brexit and secondly we've
got to stop banging on about Europe
for the next election because that
will be on
something totally different. In the
last one we fought on Brighton.
Brexit was not really thought about
Brexit either. It was the leaders on
No, it's not...
This is like Christmas at my
There's 20 years of
conversation about it. Of course it
was a factor. The idea that it was
the deciding factor in the only
reason people voted for Brexit,
Next time around the
Tories will not make the kind of
howling gap we saw in the last
Of course they well!
Setting out a social care policy,
instantly turning off your most
Somebody said I
reckon there will be eight bullet
points on how they will govern...
There is a 90 page document drop and
you think, what have they done?
Jess, do you believe that Jeremy
Corbyn will be Prime Minister?
I'm not sure, is the answer. I don't
know when the election will be. I'm
not convinced there will be one
before 2022. Why would they be so
Why aren't you convinced?
An election doesn't
just happen by accident, it has to
be called by the house. And it has
to be called by a two thirds
majority, so they have to instigate
it. It has to be instigated by the
Prime Minister. The Tories love
anything, they love power. Why on
earth would they do it? They've had
a shocking time, to have their
I think you are
overestimated in how chaotic it's
going to get.
We don't mind a bit of
chaos. We will move on.
What did Jeremy Corbyn give to
Michel Barnier? I won't disqualify
you from this round on that basis!
All of our contestants... Except
Jess! Was it a Jeremy Corbyn scarf,
an Arsenal shirt, a home-grown
marrow or a list of potential
Nothing has changed!
Arsenal shirt with" Michel Barnier
Number 10" on the back?
Barnier an Arsenal fan?
Peter, a chance for you
to get into the game.
lacking... I am going to bow out!
David Davis is a man who does not do
things by halves. How many pluses
did he add to a Canada style deal
between Canada and the EU... Zoe?
There were three... You
are correct. So he is running away
She comes in before we
are allowed to press! She is
I think it's within
the rules of the game.
pick it up!
In June, Donald Tusk
said that the EU was built on
impossible dreams and that one of
those was Britain wanting to reverse
the decision to leave. But, what was
the iconic British song that he used
to illustrate the point?
Nobody has got this.
The answer is John Lennon's
Yes, one of the
Yes, let's look back at some of the
big moments of 2017...
No deal for Britain is better than a
bad deal for Britain...
The Supreme Court ruled
that the government cannot trigger
Article 50 without
an act of Parliament
authorising it to do so.
The ayes to the right, 494.
The noes to the left, 122.
So here it is.
Thank you and goodbye.
The UK decided to leave
the EU, not the other way around.
And the consequences
A football shirt?
Barnier, you're now
playing for Arsenal.
The UK will honour commitments
we have made during the period
of our membership.
We will not accept any form
of regulatory divergences that
separates Northern Ireland
economically or politically
from the rest of the UK.
Sufficient progress has not
been made on the strict
terms of the divorce.
This was a difficult negotiation
for the European Union
as well as for the United Kingdom.
Here is the moment that Peter Bone
has been waiting for like a child
waiting for snow to fall on
Christmas Eve! Does the government
have a plan for Brexit? A Cabinet
minister ended with an agreement,
maybe, because the agreement was
that you should have your cake and
eat it as a Brexit policy? When it
comes to goods and services but
without the obligations that go with
single market membership, does
anyone, even you, believe that is
It's perfectly reasonable
to accept the fact that there are
£70 billion more of goods than we
export to them. Of course, they are
going to agree to it.
You cannot have one without
You can, as Michel
Barnier pointed out.
Why would we
let themselves tonnes of goods to us
and not let us export our services?
It's an extraordinary position to
say that we will boycott them until
they accept us...
When did the word
"Boycott" come into it? They are not
trivialised by behaviour.
will be an implementation period and
then we will live happily ever
What if they say no?
their gambit. It is a negotiation,
of course everybody is going to take
their hardest lines in public.
saw two weeks ago, last week, at the
end of the day, when push comes to
shove, deals get done. Shove Anier
is saying that there is no treaty
that the EU have done, and what he
didn't say was that they offered
services in the Canadian free trade
deal and the Canadians didn't want
It is leaders around the
They are much more
divided, the 27 leaders around the
EU are much more divided on what
they won the trade deal to look
like. The commission had to take a
hard line because it is their job to
protect. If you look at countries
like Poland, and if you look at
France and what Germany wants, what
Greece wants, Italy wants... The
Italians are making positive noises.
At the end of the day it's up to
Can I ask, Jess, do you think
that the Labour Party is going to
fully swing behind close and
thorough alignment with the European
Union? Going all the way towards a
new single market customs union? You
would like to lean that way but
you've got a leader who doesn't
really think that way I
going to speak for him but the
suggestion was it was seven out of
ten, I believe. I think the Labour
Party, when all is said and done,
all they care about, or suddenly all
I care about, is the prosperity of
the people in this country and
that's the top and bottom of it, for
me. Car manufacturing in my
constituency is the single biggest
employer, it always has been and we
really have to be very careful. I
think the Labour Party will
eventually get into a position where
there is the red Line and it cannot
Don't you need a lot
more Labour supporters to swing that
If you look at the
constituencies that will heavily
leave, now they are trying to get a
Brexit dispensation so they don't
have their fishing industry affected
by it. Most people are changing
their minds and heavily leave areas
are seeing what the impact will be.
I don't know if people in my
constituency who voted to leave her
change their mind but they filled
the sense of belonging that they
hoped it would give to them, Britain
being in charge of things, these
things matter. I did a survey on
each and every one of my
constituents, 61% voted to leave and
every single one prioritised being
out of the single market.
ask, there's only -- does anybody at
this table really believe that it
would be possible to conclude a
fully fledged trade agreement in
time for March 20 19.
If you look at
Lancaster house and Florence, we had
another speech in January, and one
in early February, that will be the
framework of the deal.
Minister said a full-fledged deal?
think it is ambitious, you cannot
sign a free trade agreement with the
EU until we have left it.
inched towards it, they fall apart
Let's move on...
£100 we will not leave the EU.
much did you bet?
going back on this!
It's time for the final round of the
quiz, this is about other things
that have been done in 2017. This is
George Osborne arriving on first day
as editor of the Evening Standard...
As editor he's enjoyed
heaping opprobrium -
well that's the polite name for it -
on the PM.
But can you name one
of his other jobs?
Harry? He is a strategic advisor to
That's correct, and I
will keep it open. Any other jobs?
Is he still do something about
Yes! I think he still has an
interest in the family firm, I
donate if he does a lot of
management in that firm. That
doesn't count as a job.
one more? He is the chairman of the
northern Powerhouse partnership?
will not give you a point for that.
You've already got one!
At Labour conference this year,
the organisers had to abandon plans
for the Labour leader to do what?
I was giving you some options! I
will disqualify you again. These are
a Corbyn Stone.
Walk on water.
Turn water into wine.
Or hold a photo opportunity
on a ram-packed train.
It is the water one.
You are right,
it is the water one.
somebody tell me this...
to build a platform floating in the
On the beach. It would have
been a great moment.
He's known sometimes as box office
or spreadsheet Phil,
but what one word did
Chancellor Philip Hammond give
to describe himself?
Umm... I actually don't know.
you must know.
The words I want to
use for the Chancellor and ones that
you are thinking!
Nobody is going to
get this. The answer is "Fiscal"
you are thinking!
Nobody is going to
get this. The answer is "Fiscal".
Fiscal Philip. Nicknames are
supposed to be fun, that one doesn't
How much did David Cameron's
shepherd's hut cost?
I think that is actually
It was £25,000.
For a shed in the garden. Score
keepers, we are giving Jess a point,
because Peter wants to back her up.
We've been looking at the year
that's on the way out,
but 2018 promises to be just
as eventful and unpredictable.
But is it something people
are looking forward to,
or are they tempted to hide
behind the sofa?
Elizabeth Glinka's been
out with the moodbox
for the final time this year.
You know what, it has been a busy
year in politics, and who knows what
the next 12 months could hold? We
have come to do West End to ask
shoppers if they are feeling
optimistic or pessimistic about
Optimistic. I think it can't
get any worse. I'm fairly confident
that we will strike some sort of
deal with Brexit.
I would say
pessimistic for politics Radwan.
Pessimistic cause of Trump.
where we are, I would say we can
only be optimistic that things
I feel like things couldn't
get worse, but I feel optimistic
with the hope there might be a new
movement full of young people with
Jeremy Corbyn at the head of it.
is new year, Christmas time, how can
you be anything but optimistic?
Optimistic, especially with Brexit
Optimistic because I
think that the stranglehold is
Do you feel optimistic or
I would like to think
she would say optimistic.
Look, it is panto time.
Oh, no it
Oh, yes it is.
Pessimistic about Corbyn.
pessimistic about Corbyn. Why is
He is an idiot.
get to a particular level of bad,
there has to be a backlash the other
I feel optimistic. I am moving
to South Korea.
I am feeling
realistic, actually. Feeling
realistic is often misconstrued as
feeling as a mystic.
happening with Brexit Bizet 's? I
don't know which way to turn.
a good job, I'm in love.
kind of thing.
That sounds quite
It is quite Zen.
The only thing
that's constant nowadays is change,
so we had to be adaptable to change.
Maybe it is the Christmas spirit,
but shoppers here in the west end of
London are feeling, on the whole,
pretty optimistic. I better get
going. I have not done any shopping,
so Merry Christmas.
That was Elizabeth Glinka with
the entirely unscientific moodbox.
Let's get the thoughts of our panel
on the year ahead...
By the way, Peter, have the extreme
Brexiteers loosened their
I don't know any, I am
moderate. It is difficult for me to
This is a difficult question,
but I will ask you anyway, this was
a year when pundits got it wrong, no
one saw what was happening next,
what do you reckon might be the big
shock of this coming year that
proves the pundits wrong all over
I think what is going to
happen is Theresa May, by October,
will deliver Brexit. She will go on
to become a national hero. That is
no more unrealistic than President
Trump or Jeremy Corbyn, or us
winning the referendum. That is an
absolute possibility, and I hope it
comes true. She has worked
exceptionally hard. Whatever you
think of her, the Prime Minister has
worked exceptionally hard. I can't
believe how much she does every
single day. And have to deal with me
as well! A terrible job! She is the
right person to go on and lead us in
A genuinely touching moment
is ridiculous. She does a full eight
hours?? I'm sorry, she is the Prime
Minister. Most people would give
their right arm to be the Prime
Minister. It is so terribly hard for
her rhetoric I'm afraid to say, she
has ultimate power to change things.
What is your shop? -- shock.
It is a
continuity answer, I think we will
be where we are right now by the end
of next year. I don't think there
will be a big upset at the front of
I think Brexit
negotiations will derail. The Labour
Party will finally say, we are
anti-Brexit or nothing. I think that
will happen. As Brexit negotiations
derail, the Conservative Party will
do look West.
They will make solid and decisions
about when to call an election, and
that will vanish because they will
be all over the place.
Look at the
Labour side for me, Harry.
night showed the divisions, the
Brexit divisions, they will rear
their head again. The Cabinet, the
divisions in the Cabinet on Brexit
are on a smaller scale. Basically,
everyone is firing in the same
direction, it is how fast they get
there. Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd
are said to be the ones that are
trying to stick closer to Europe,
but at the end of it, they are
saying, what is the Buddha Brexit if
we can't divert on something? Labour
is much more fundamental, it is a
pro-EU backbench, and that will rear
The CORBA nights and the
momentum movement -- they have a
stranglehold of the party now.
don't recognise that to be the fact.
I have had local selections in my
CLB. There will be no answers
I don't recognise this
momentum as a big Marxist... Some
momentum branches are massive, some
are small, and...
Some of them are
Even, Jess, without
punishment or ideological
deselection is and the rest of it,
the ideological march of Corbyn goes
on. Bringing down neoliberal
I think you are wrong. I
figured pragmatic and central
approach is coming out of leadership
at the moment.
To the centre? It is
too far to say attacking the centre,
but I think...
Unions are ones
making the shots.
The unions are
making a noise about the single
market, and they make a very good
left-wing case for staying in.
can expect that, because it is this
time of year, there will be a winter
NHS crisis compounded by a winter
homelessness crisis. That will cause
problems for the government.
already causing problems.
get past Brexit, you have got to
look to these other issues.
are people dying on the streets of
Birmingham, can we not wait?
It is amazing that your
vanity project is more important
than the homelessness in my
I think the NHS is an
important thing, social care is
perhaps even more important. The
homeless issue, it depends in which
part of the country you are in, and
we need a credible approach to that.
That is probably what the next
The Tory party tried to
fight the election on those issues,
and look what happened to them.
idiot thought up a manifesto, but I
never read the manifesto. It
destroyed the campaign.
afford social care or the NHS, we...
I am talking
about the ridiculous idea that the
second anyone mentions the NHS,
people like the Guardian jumped down
No one is saying,
don't touch it. Everyone is saying,
That have a
I will wind
this up now, Harry and Zoe, because
we have got to the part of the show
that matters to me. This is the bit
I have been looking for.
When you think of Christmas
traditions - what springs to mind?
The Queen's message?
Reruns of Dad's Army?
Peter Bone's Christmas
card about Brexit?
Well, what about that other,
almost as ancient tradition.
I speak of course of
the Daily Politics Secret Santa.
Yes, as usual we've asked a famous
political figure to dress up
as Father Christmas.
Previous occupants of
the big red suit include such
luminaries as Jeremy Corbyn.
And look where he ended up...
And Peter Bone.
And look where he ended up.
So it's up to my panel to guess
who is under that beard...
Do we get a question first? About...
Here are some clues, it is not as
hard as that. Here are some clues,
Peter. He is a former member of the
European Parliament. He used to be a
Remainer, but now he supports
Brexit. You can press your button if
you've got it. You have all got it.
Zoe, you were first.
Are you Stanley
Johnson, by any chance?
Is this the
moment to reveal myself?
Yes, it is.
Who are you?
I am he, I am he, and
my job is to give you all Christmas
presents. Happy Christmas,
everybody. Lovely to see you. I will
take them out. I have come from the
North Pole. Look at this.
what it is.
Merry Christmas. A big
one. This is for Harry. You can open
Thank you very much.
that. A Jeremy Corbyn Christmas
Show us your T-shirt, Peter.
Peter Bone's is brilliant.
Look at Harry's jumper. Zoe,
what have you got?
Whatever it is, I
do think I can wear it, so that is
Tell us what it is.
beautiful poetry of Donald Trump.
Read a bit.
I cherish women, joiner
is expensive, no more apologies,
take the offensive.
That is the Donald Trump Book Of
Poetry. How is life with you? You
came out of these liberty jungle.
rather enjoyed being in the jungle,
because I lost nine kilos. There is
beans and rice, and there has beens,
it was fine.
It must be wonderful
for you to be the star.
Right at the
end of my career, I finally
recognised in my own right, fine.
Why shouldn't I be pleased about
Stanley, you have been
waiting for this, I will give you
this call the business journalists
scored six points, the politicians
scored four. Well done.
It has been good to have you all on
the show. Enjoy the Christmas
holiday, Peter Uihlein will be
looking at your photo album of Don
Claude Juncker will
2018 should be every bit as good as
the stories from this year. I wish
you a good one at home with the
family away from all this stuff.
That's all for today.
Thanks to our guests.
There's no This Week tonight,
and no Daily Politics
until the 8th of January.
Do join Jo then, and in the meantime
have a very happy Christmas.
Have a good one.
John Pienaar is joined by Conservative MP, Peter Bone, Labour's Jess Phillips, Harry Cole of the Sun and Zoe Williams of the Guardian for the last Daily Politics of 2017. Includes the latest developments from Westminster following the sacking of Damian Green.