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The magic money tree has been
shaken, as the government is poised
to announce a significant pay rise
for a million NHS staff
We'll be speaking to
the Chief Secretary
to the Treasury, Liz Truss, about
where the money is coming from.
There's something very fishy
on the River Thames.
Politicians throw fish
from a trawler outside Parliament
saying fisherman have been
betrayed by the Brexit
It is compromising with people's
livelihoods. The idea you cannot
make an omelette without breaking
eggs until you are potentially
dealing with people's livelihoods
and putting them out of business.
And there's plenty for Theresa May
and Jeremy Corbyn to discuss
at Prime Minister's Questions today.
We'll be live for all
the action at noon.
All that in the next
hour and a half.
And with me are the Chief Secretary
to the Treasury, Liz Truss,
and Shadow Treasury Minister,
Welcome back to the programme.
First, I can't imagine Theresa May
will be over the moon
about Donald Trump's decision
to ring Vladimir Putin personally
about his election victory.
The Washington Post reports
that the President ignored
a briefing note that said in capital
letters "DO NOT CONGRATULATE"
and he also chose not to heed
talking points from aides
instructing him to condemn
the poisoning of a former
Russian spy in Britain
with a powerful nerve agent.
He didn't raise that either, but he
did congratulate. Not the best
support from our major ally, is it?
We have had fantastic support from
all of our allies including the US,
France, Germany in making it clear
that this was a state-sponsored
attack on British soil that has
followed the Prime minister's strong
leadership on the issue.
is no appetite for further
collective ear -- action?
think that is the case. We are
seeing increasing concern about
Russian activities. Not across the
whole of British politics and there
is a concern about the Leader of the
But Mr Trump has called
to congratulate him, and so has
Angela Merkel and Jean-Claude
Juncker has written to
congratulating, so where is the
evidence that either America or the
European Union is up for more
The joint statement that
was put out by all of those people
was extremely strong.
It made no
mention of sanctions.
wouldn't congratulate Vladimir Putin
with what he has done and the
policies he is pursuing our
disgraceful, but it's up to those
individuals, President Trump,
Jean-Claude Juncker, what they
decide to do.
No, that is collective
action. I'll try again. Can you
provide is with a scintilla of
evidence that either the US or the
EU is up for more collective action?
The joint statement...
mention collective action.
was very clear that the attack was
That is what I'm
asking. It didn't mention collective
action. Jeremy Corbyn, he once asked
to send the of this nerve agent to
Moscow. What would be the point of
He said there should be
No, he said there
should be a Sample of the nerve
agent sent three times tomorrow --
to Moscow. Why?
That is part of the
international prohibition for
No, it's not. It's
descended to the OP CW, the
organisation for the Prohibition of
chemical weapons and they are
getting at. That is the process.
What would be the point of sending
it to Russia?
What I believe he said
is that it is important to stick to
the rules and conventions.
sorry. He said several times we
should send it to Moscow. You are
denying the question. He said we
should send it to Moscow. What would
be the point back?
I was trying to
respond. If it is usually the
convention that countries which are
being investigated have the ability
to look at those kinds of
substances, then that should be
followed, and what he has said
consistently and surely no one can
disagree, is that we have do follow
are doing that.
To be fair, Jeremy
was criticised the saying we should
be doing that in the house, which
was not right. We have to keep the
moral high ground on this.
let me come back to this. We are
using the organisation and they are
getting the nerve agent and they
will examine it. That was always on
the cards. But the policy of your
leader is that we serve, send this
nerve agent to Moscow. This is
something the Russians hid from us
and did not tell us they were
developing. When they were rumbled
that they had, they said they had
got rid of it all and it had all
been destroyed under OPCW rules. Are
you expecting them if we send them a
sample to say, yes, that was ours,
we had it all along?
That is mad.
Jeremy has been absolutely clear all
along. The Russian state, he has
agreed with Theresa May.
You are not
answering the question.
I tried to.
If the convention is that is the
process that is followed, he is
right to say he is following it.
convention is to send it to the
OPCW. You really think that the
Russians would admit that this was
their nerve agent?
I'm sure they
So why send it?
I used to
work in the Western Balkans and I
know how they operate, and they
don't follow international law, but
this country always should and that
is where we have the moral high
ground and we should not surrender
that. I don't think Theresa May has,
I think she has followed the right
procedures and Jeremy is right to
say we should keep doing that
because that is the soft parallel,
is our commitment to the rules.
still don't understand what good is
certain -- sending the agent to
Moscow would do.
Despite the Chancellor saying
last week that austerity
was still the watchword
for government finances it seems
nearly all NHS staff in England,
apart from doctors, could be in line
for a bumper pay rise.
The BBC has learnt that over
one million health service
workers could expect
an increase of more than 6%
over three years.
It's expected the deal will be
formally agreed later today
with the lowest earners getting
the most - some could
see their pay packet rise by £4,000.
Of course this won't come cheap,
it's believed the cost
to the taxpayer could
be around £4 billion.
Things have clearly changed,
have a listen to the Prime Minister
being grilled by a nurse
during the 2017 election.
My wage slips from 2009 reflect
exactly what I'm earning today.
So how can that be fair in light
of the job that we actually do?
And I recognise the job that you do
but we have had to take...
Why hasn't it changed
before now then?
We have had to take some hard
choices across the public sector
in relation to public
sector pay restraint.
We did that because of the decisions
we had to take to bring public
spending under control because it
wasn't under control under
the last Labour Government.
And I'm being honest
with you in terms of saying
that we will put more money
into the NHS, but there isn't
a magic money tree that we can shake
that suddenly provides
for everything that people want.
But it turns out there is a magic
That is not true.
has the money come from?
because we had careful stewardship
of the economy...
Where was the
money and where did it come from?
was in the budget, and the
Chancellor was clear that if there
were productivity improvements in
the NHS because of the special
circumstances that the NHS faces, we
would be able to look at pay rises.
Let's look at this in detail. In the
budget, in November, health spending
was increased for this financial
year by £3 billion, just shy of 3
billion. Does that include the pay
No, the pay rises in addition
So it wasn't decided in
We put the money aside on
the Chancellor was very clear that
additional money would be made
available if we could do a deal with
the unions that would include
productivity improvements. That is
very important because we want to
see better outcomes for patients
while we also want to see NHS staff
properly rewarded, so he was very
clear that any money that was part
of the deal would be additional, and
he said that in the budget.
clarify, the 3 billion increase
planned for this financial year, and
the 2 billion increase for the next
financial year does not include the
That is correct.
So I ask
again, where will this money come
We have put money aside. From
where? From part of the overall
budget, factored into the plans to
deal with the pay rise.
that? I have the departmental
resources budgets here?
It is not in
the NHS budget.
This is the NHS
budget, it's the resource planning
for all departments, so where did
you put this aside?
The money is not
in the Department of Health budget.
This is all of the budgets.
would be extra money forthcoming
from the Treasury if we were able to
do a deal to reform the way that the
pay works within the NHS. At the
moment their automatic pay and it's
a complicated system that doesn't
work for nurses or other NHS staff,
and it doesn't work on the employers
either, so we want to reform that.
We are on the way to getting that
really positive reform so we can
make sure people are paid well.
the pay rises conditional... Are
they conditional on productivity
They are part of an
overall deal which includes
they conditional? If they are not
improved, do the play -- does the
pay rise not happen?
All of this
will be outlined later today, but
essentially changes in the
contractual terms are part of the
deal and that will help improve
productivity, so that is the way it
But if you don't get it, do
the pay rises still take place? I
used to be an industrial
correspondent and have lived through
more productivity agreements than
you have had a hot breakfasts and
I've never seen one that actually
worked and paid for itself, so I ask
again, if this costs £4 billion, and
you don't get 4 billion savings, do
the pay rises happen?
The pay rises
Regardless? In line
with the deal, if it is signed off.
It is the reform of those increments
that is the thing we are agreeing.
Let me try one more time. Are these
pay rises of 6.6% over three years,
are they conditional on these
improvements happening, or do they
They are part of a
deal on increment reform, so they
are agreed at the same time. There
isn't some subsequent year when we
will claw money back. It isn't -- it
is an exchange or contractual
changes that benefit people working
in the NHS and the employers and the
patients, so that is the deal.
has shot your fox, hasn't it? Even
the unions seem happy.
pleased the government is listening.
In terms of whether the deal will be
good for nurses, I've had a number
saying they don't feel that cutting
some of their annual leave will be
That is not going to
happen. There is no cut in annual
That is great and I will look
at the deal closely when it comes in
front of as later today. What
frustrates me is that we've had a
long period when government is not
made the change and the Labour Party
has said for months that we can pay
for this by reversing some of those
tax cuts that the government decided
to impose for the best of people and
profitable corporations. We spelt it
out a long time ago how we could
paper this and in the meantime they
have lost so many experienced staff
in the NHS who are fed up with their
Would you want a bigger pay
rise or is 6.6% fair enough?
said it's got to keep track with
inflation and that means, is that 6%
doesn't keep track with inflation
you have a problem further down the
But do you want more or are
you happy with the rov broad
We hope that that approach
has been informed by discussions
between them and the pay review
bodies, and if that is what the pay
review bodies are suggesting is
necessary for retention and
recruitment, it seems sensible. It's
disappointing it's taken so long to
Of course, the health
service will store the under huge
pressure and these rises I have
spoken about, even if they don't
include pay are still historically
low in spending, lower than Mrs
Thatcher in the 80s, way lower than
John Major in the 90s and much lower
than Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
There is still talk there must be
more money not just for pay, but the
care services themselves. Would you
offer an extra penny on national
No. We are not looking at
that proposal that has been floated
in the papers, and what we are doing
is talking about how we can get
better value for money, and we have
a spending review next year where we
will look across government spending
as a whole.
It would not be the overall strategy
of the Government to look at extra
taxes to find extra money for the
Obviously I can't say what's
going to happen in future.
ruling out national insurance?
I can say is we are spending above
the European average on health, we
Are we? When did that
We are getting better value
for money. We have been doing that
for some years.
Actually, I don't
think on OECD figures we have at
If you include health and
social care, we are.
they cant social care different in
other ways. On health itself, we
spent less than Germany, less than
France, Sweden, Norway, Holland,
Belgium, would you like me to go on?
The Nuffield trust recently did a
report which said we are spending in
line on our health service and
That is wrong, I will
Andrew, we recognise...
There are issues in the health
Do you rule out tax rises
to make about a gap and bring us up
to the European total?
talking about the future budget. We
can't do that. What I'm saying is we
are spending in line with other
that quite seriously. Would you be
up for what Gordon Brown did a while
back, another penny on national
We want the same
progrowth which is progressive to
this, so we set out at the last
election, we stick by those plans we
should be reversing some of the tax
cuts for the best off people and for
profitable corporations. In our
manifesto we said we have got 48.6
billion spending commitments, 48.6
billion tax cuts, largely, we would
have reversed so we were quite
explicit about that.
That is not all
for the NHS?
No comets for a whole
range of social services including
social care, and for the worst
winter crisis, in my memory,...
problem is if you concentrate your
tax rises on the very highest paid,
people already account for by far
the biggest chunk of income tax, you
can't be sure you would get that
We have seen the rates of
income tax, the best earners, going
down under this Government and lots
of other changes too.
The top 1% of
income tax payers account for almost
30% of income tax.
Yes, but you know
that part of the reason why they had
that huge share is because their
incomes are so high now.
point is you can't be sure, unlike a
penny on national insurance which is
a slam dunk 5 billion it raises, you
can't be sure if you start to raise
taxes on people who are mobile and
internationally employable, you will
get the money.
You can't be sure.
What I would ask is when we had
those levels previously, I'm not
talking 30 years ago, but under the
previous Labour Government, when we
didn't have those cuts to the top
rate, did you see huge droves of
people saying I'm getting squeezed
out and moving to other countries?
No, they accepted this was the tax
We had then a deficit which
we had to sort out.
OK, we have to
move on. We are now seeing the
lowest... Hold on, you said you
would keep taxes low but you as
Chief Secretary will no as a
percentage of GDP taxes are already
at their highest for 40 years.
have reduced taxes. Not as a
percentage... That is where we are
getting the money. That's why the
economy is doing better.
We need to
Now this morning, a publicity stunt
was arranged on a trawler
on the River Thames which involved
flinging fish overboard.
Elizabeth Glinka went along to this
most bizarre of protests.
It is 8:30am, and absolutely
gorgeous day in London. That is the
River Thames. We are waiting for a
fishing trawler. Yes. A fishing
The boat in question, comes from
with stubble on a voyage to
Westminster to symbolically dump
fish in protest at the UK's Brexit
transition deal which this week
learned would keep the British Fleet
bound to European fishing quotas for
another 21 months after we leave the
EU. And who should be fined?
are promised we would take back
control in 2019, and that has now
been delayed and that could
potentially be disastrous for the
fishing communities but of course
the biggest losers on the day we
joined the EU, back in 1973, and it
ought to have been the first
beneficiaries from our departure.
You know this is part of a
transition deal and you also know
that the Prime Minister made it very
clear they would have to compromise.
There's compromising the People's
livelihoods and the argument you
can't make an omelette without
breaking eggs is all very well until
you are doing the People's
livelihoods and potentially putting
them out of business.
The stunt was
organised to gain maximum attention
ahead of today's Prime Minister's
Questions was supposed to start with
a riverside media conference. So
that is the boat and it has arrived
at embankment, but it turns out it's
not allowed to stop, so they are
doing a sale by and then they will
carry up to Westminster and stop at
Parliament. Best laid plans. A
little further up the river they
were finally able to pull in and we
are told a certain Nigel Farage got
on board in time for some
high-profile fish dumping. Right in
front of the Palace of Westminster.
That was it, they made it to the
Houses of Parliament. Nigel Farage
got on the boat, they threw some
fresh off the boat and now they are
failing off. Up the river.
failing off. Up the river.
go. Fun on the Thames this morning.
They were trying to make an
important point. We don't now leave
the common fisheries policy until
2021. That is what we have agreed.
The EU man did it and we agreed it.
What did we get in return?
keeping the British catch. At the
same levels as what it is, so we are
not allowing the European Union to
reduce our catch during that period.
We stay within the policy.
staying within the overall quota
regime during that period.
did we get in return?
We got a good
transition deal overall. We got the
catch protected which is incredibly
important for British fishing
communities. We've also got the
ability to negotiate a good deal
once we leave the EU. I recognise
people are disappointed. No doubt
about that. The big prize here is
getting the long-term deal force up
where they write to concede this?
highlights the fact there's not been
a clear direction from the
Government not just on the
transition deal but on the future as
well. I'm originally a long time ago
my family where fishing people and
we need to have a long-term
stability to buy the boats and all
this kind of things. They've just
found out what the transition
situation is going to be.
basically the status quo. Where they
write to agree that? After January
the 1st 2021, assuming the process
continues, we become known as an
independent coastal state. Where
they write, though, to agree to the
status quo up until that happening?
The problem is people don't know
what it's for and what the future
will be after that so yes we need to
talk about what the transition
period is going to be like, but
people don't know. We will put up
with it for this period but what
will it be like in the future?
raise an important point. I suspect
Liz Truss, this is why a lot of
fisherfolk are angry that it's not
so much the status quo continues and
they don't get out of the common
fisheries policy. They've never
liked it since we joined the Common
Market. It's not so much we are in
it until the end of 2020. They don't
trust you to do a proper fisheries
policy once we leave. They think,
looking at your Government, when it
comes to giving concessions to fund
managers to trade in Europe, they
will do that before they will stand
up for fishermen.
They have a
champion in Michael Gove. I'm sure
we will make sure that the fishing
communities do get what they have
been promised, which is taking back
control of the waters, being able to
control our own fishing industry
which we have not been able to do.
So we will have nothing to do with
the common fisheries policy gesture
Mark after January the 1st 2021?
are leaving the common fisheries
policy fault we will be an
independent coastal state. We will
be doing bilateral negotiations with
all the different parties including
So we will negotiate?
Yes and we always have done.
Fishing waters are issues where you
have negotiations and we have done
That's why the fishing
communities are worried I would
It's not been clear
throughout this period even who is
leading on this for the Government.
Michael Gove the Environment
Secretary but it's not clear in
terms of Brexit negotiations who is
leading on this? I think there's
been a huge amount of confusion. He
is responsible for this. Has he been
arguing about this in Brussels? I
have not seen it.
The answer is,
yes, he has.
If the EU says, right,
we are going to give the City of
London more access than we have
planned to European financial
services, but in return we want to
keep broadly the same fishing quotas
as currently exist under the Common
fisheries policy, what will the
We are leaving the
common fisheries policy. We want to
implement our own fishing policy. It
is a massively complex issue.
There's myriad parts of this.
see my point.
But we cannot sell
fishing communities down the river.
We won't do it.
That's why they are
worried and were on the River Thames
today, worried that if the choice
comes between the Government looking
after the City of London, which is
financially far more important to
the economy than fishing, but
fishing is still an important part
of what makes this an island race,
and they are worried as I say, the
fund manager will get precedence
over the fishermen.
One of the clear
messages from the referendum is that
we cannot neglect parts of the
country that feel cutout of
decisions and feel left behind and
we will not do that. We need to make
sure that we treat our fishing
industry, which is actually very
important economically, with the
respect it deserves and we are
committed to doing that by the way,
just to respond quickly, all of
these discussions are taking place
across Government all the time and
Michael Gove is very closely
involved in those negotiations.
On this, those directly
involved, they don't know what's
going on, they are not being
Which is why they
were on the Thames this morning.
Check out the website for more on
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Now, a commitment to free markets
has rather gone out of fashion
in British politics of late.
But our guest of the day, Liz Truss,
is doing her utmost to put free
markets back in vogue.
On Monday night she attended
the launch of a new group designed
to promote Tory free-market thinking
to younger voters.
It's called Freer.
Must have taken them
a while to come up with that.
At the event Liz declared
that her party needed to be "Tories
with attitude" and that Labour
are "a bunch of humourless,
po-faced, hat-wearing socialists".
I'll take my hat off.
shopped the hacked out.
Anyway, we're down with the kids
here at the Daily Politics,
so we've got some advice for Liz
on how to engage the young.
What you need to do
is offer them free stuff,
rather than blathering
on about free markets.
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It's coming up to midday here.
Big Ben is there behind the
scaffolding just peeking through.
Prime Minister's Questions coming up
in a few minutes. Laura Kuenssberg
is here. Unsure what the Leader of
the Opposition will talk about
today. He's got many things to
choose from. We know he raised the
issue of NHS pay. And wearing
There's an urgent question after
PMQs today and it's possible that
someone raise this whole brew around
Cambridge analytic. This huge story
relating to Facebook which has been
dominating across the Atlantic and
also a big part of the discussions
at Westminster this week.
Hunt, the Secretary of State for
Health, it is post-PMQ 's Govan to
make a statement on the health
proposal settlement deal?
answer an urgent question from the
Shadow Health Secretary John
Ashworth and also during PMQs the
unions and NHS employers will be
unveiling the specific details of
the deal. So what we have been
reporting this morning is over a
three-year period it will be worth
more than £4 billion but when we get
a written statement from the
Government, of course we will look
very carefully at the details.
go to the Commons.
Series to ten, Merseyside Police
have lost 1084 police officers.
Crime went up by 18 and a half
percent and there were 21 firearm
discharge is, one of which resulted
in a fatality. Across the forces,
there were 94 firearm discharges
with four fatalities. Local MPs have
met Home Office ministers, but no
extra resources have been provided.
Will the Prime Minister arrange for
the Home Secretary arrange with
local MPs to discuss the additional
support with this serious problem.
Can I say to the honourable
gentleman that in the safety
partnership with Merseyside Police,
crime statistics in the constituency
have fallen since 2010, but can I
say to the Right Honourable
gentleman that he obviously mentions
incidents that are of real concern.
And I'm sure the police are giving
their attention to those incidents.
What we are doing is ensuring that
overall, antique points at my right
honourable friend to ensure that
overall in the next year, not only
are we protecting police budgets we
could see 450 million extra pounds
being available to the forces across
Can I associate myself
with the prime Mr's earlier
comments. Britain's ability to trade
with the world has been curtailed by
the EU for over 40 years -- Prime
Minister. We have now won the
ability to sign our own trade
agreements around the world. And as
the Prime Minister agree with me
that this is Britain's greatest
opportunity in Brexit and ensures we
can embrace the globe as a truly
proud international country once
My honourable friend raises a
very important point. And it is
something I agree with him when this
is an important opportunity for the
UK posts Brexit.
UK posts Brexit. And we need to
forge our own way by signing trade
deals with old friends and new
allies alike. And has he knows we
can bring into force new trade
arrangements around the rest of the
world a clue truly global Britain.
-- for a truly global Britain.
join the primer listing
commemorating the attacks that took
place in Westminster a year ago and
I will be some of the events
tomorrow. We should all remember
this as an attack on democracy
within our society -- join the Prime
Minister. I also join in sending
condolences to the family of the Red
Arrows engineer who sadly died
yesterday and we wish the pilot well
in his recovery. Mr Speaker, I had
the pleasure of meeting Andria who
won the global teacher award and we
should congratulate and the school
in Brent for the great work she does
there. Mr Speaker, today is the
Kurdish New Year, so can we wish all
Kurdish people around the world a
happy day, and particularly for
those suffering so much in the
conflict in Syria, a hope of peace
in the year to come. Mr Speaker,
does the Prime Minister believe that
the collapse of Northamptonshire
Council is the result of
Conservative incompetence at a local
level or conservative incompetence
at an national level.
I first joined the honourable
gentleman in those
gentleman in those celebrating
Kurdish people around the world are
happy day. There has been a report
into Northamptonshire County
Council, but let's look at what we
see across the board in counsels. --
in local councils. If you look at
what is happening in councils up and
down this country there is one
message for everybody, and that is
the Conservative councils cost you
Mr Speaker, my question was
actually quite specific to
Northamptonshire. And the Tory
leader of the council said we had
been warning the government since
2013/14 that we could not cope with
the level of cuts we were facing.
Three years ago Mr Speaker, that
Council, Brent, it was pioneering an
easy council model. It then
proceeded to outsource 96% of its
council staff and transferred them
to News service providers run by
private companies paying dividends.
Now that counsel has gone bust. So
does the Prime Minister really
believe that the slash and burn
model for local government is really
a good one?
a good one?
Can I say to the right
honourable gentleman it would be
helpful if he first accurately
reflected the independent statutory
inspection which concluded last week
where the report was clear that
Northamptonshire's failure was not a
case of underfunding. So his
case of underfunding. So his claims,
indeed Northamptonshire's core
spending power is set to rise by
£14.5 million. I say to the right
honourable gentleman the attack that
he is making that this is all about
the amount of money that government
is providing is not correct. What we
are ensuring is that councils are
able to provide good service is up
and down the country that is what we
see with councils, Conservative
councils, up and down the country
costing people less than Labour.
costing people less than Labour.
problem is that Northamptonshire has
gone bust and it is caused by the
Conservative government and counsel.
And it is a model used by Barnett
counsel, until recently run by the
Conservatives, where capita holds
councils with an estimated value of
£500 million. Government cuts mean
councils across England face a 5.2
million funding gap by 2020, so does
the government believe it was right
to prioritise tax cuts for the
super-rich and big business.
super-rich and big business.
house is becoming overexcited. I say
that the Prime Minister's answer
must be heard, and the right
honourable gentleman must also be
heard, and it will be, however long
it takes. Mr Snell you are behaving
in a most undignified manner.
seems to be a lot of concern among
Conservative members about my
suggestion that the government had
prioritised. And put it as something
more than funding for social care
for bin collection or street
Can I say to the right
honourable gentleman he talks about
bin collection, but people in
Birmingham living under a Labour
council saw thousands of tonnes of
waste on the street because they
were failing to collect the bins.
And we all know he talks about
payments, but we all know he talks
about tax, and the top 1% of
taxpayers are paying the highest
burden of tax than they ever paid
under Labour. And we all know what
Labour would mean for council
taxpayers, because just this week,
the Shadow Communities Secretary.
Could it be that he does not want
people to know he is supporting? He
has supported a plan to stop local
taxpayers to have the right to stop
tax hikes. He supported a plan. To
have a land value tax, tax on your
home and garden, and wants to
introduce a new hotel tax and we all
know what would happen under Labour,
more taxes on ordinary working
people and they would pay the price.
Mr Speaker, the shadow Secretary for
local government supports councils
and thinks they should be properly
funded and doesn't think they should
be a vehicle for privatisation. Mr
Speaker, the leader of Surrey County
Council, who just happens to be a
conservative says, we are facing the
most difficult financial crisis in
our history and he did not mince his
words. He went on to say that the
government cannot stand idly by
while Rome burns. Council funding
has been cut by half since 2010.
Households in England now face
council tax rises of £1 billion. The
Tory leader of the local government
Association says councils will have
to continue to cut back services or
stop some altogether due to
government cuts. So, as people open
their council tax bills, isn't it
clear what the Conservative
messages? Pay more to get less.
The average council tax for bands
deep property is £100 less and
Conservative than Labour. He says
his Shadow Local Government
Secretary is supporting councils
foresaw I wonder if he is supporting
these councils, Haringey, whether
Labour leader was forced out?
Brighton, where the Labour leader
was forced out? Cornwall, where the
Labour group leader was forced out?
What are these people done? They
have supported building more homes,
providing good local services, and
tackling anti-Semitism in the Labour
Party. So the message is clear. If
you believe in good local services,
if you want to see more homes built,
and if you want to tackle
anti-Semitism, there is no place for
you in the Labour Party.
Mr Speaker, Labour councils
build houses. Conservative councils
Order. Order. There is a
very raucous atmosphere. I will say
it again. Backbench members should
seek to imitate the Zen like calm of
the father of the House, an example
to us all. Jeremy Corbyn.
admire Zen, Mr Speaker. Pay more for
less is what the Conservative
message is. In Leicestershire, the
County Council is pushing through
£50 million worth of cuts. And
cancel increases of 6%. -- council
tax increases. They blamed
chronically low Government funding.
That is the message, pay more to get
less. It's not just households. The
average small shop will see their
rates bill increase by £3600. Empty
shops suck the life out of the high
streets and local communities. So
why is the Prime Minister presiding
over a Government that is tearing
the heart out of our local high
First of all, we have
provided extra support for small
businesses in relation to business
rates. Secondly, it talks about
Labour councils building homes but
actually we have built more homes
under this Government run under 13
years of a Labour Government. And he
talks about local level councils.
Yesterday two Labour councillors
from Ashfield joined the
Conservatives. What did one of them
say? They said both locally and
nationally, the Labour Party has
been taken over by the hard left.
They are more interested in fighting
internal ideological battles than
standing up for the priorities of
working men and women. Conservatives
will always welcome people who care
about their local area at and we
will always stand up for people in
their local area.
Jeremy Corbyn. Mr
Speaker, half a million businesses
will see their rates rise this year,
some by 500%. Even Mary Porters, who
led the Government's says the
high-tech campaign, said it was
simply a PR campaign which looked
like we are doing something and
hoped it might kick-start something,
but it didn't.
but it didn't. This Conservative
Government has slashed public
services. They cut funding and
expect councils to build up the
pieces. The result of this is
children's centres are closing,
schools are struggling, fewer police
on the streets, older people and
left without care and dignity. And
refugees turning women away. --
refuges. It's unsustainable. And
doesn't that tell you everything you
need to know? Doesn't that tell you
everything you need to know about
this Government, that it demands
households and businesses to pay
more to get less?
This Government is
spending more on our schools and our
NHS than ever before. We are able to
do that because of a balanced
approach we take to the good economy
and because of the strong economy we
see under the Conservatives. But I
notice the right Honourable
gentleman in his six questions is
not mentioned today's unemployment
figures. Employment is at a joint
record high. Unemployment has not
been lower since 1975. Economic
inactivity is at a record low. That
is a strong jobs market. Utilising
benefits for a market, Labour
members of Parliament?
members of Parliament?
Thank you, Mr
Speaker. I can only assume that the
Leader of the Opposition has not
read the report but Northamptonshire
County Council. Worldwide, I want to
focus on a different issue today.
Worldwide, every minute millions of
throwaway paper copy cups go to
landfill in order to solve it we
need industry consumers and
Government to work together. In that
spirit, a company in my constituency
have developed a fully recyclable
alternative cap that can be easily
recycled, unlike the current option.
Will my right honourable friend join
me in welcoming that innovation and
perhaps I might be able to give one
to her if she's around afterwards?
Well... I'm very happy... I'm very
happy to say to my honourable friend
that if you would like to come along
and see me afterwards...
He has raised an important point
and, as he knows, we are committed
to wanting to leave our environment
in a better state than we found it
and I would like to congratulate the
innovation. This is an important
example of working with industry to
ensure that we are dealing with this
issue of plastic waste. We are clear
in our environment plan we want to
do and that's a very good example of
Thank you. Can I also talk
about the remarks about the
terrorist atrocity in Westminster a
year ago, our thoughts are with
those who gave their lives and of
course the work of the emergency
services. I want to associate myself
with the remarks. Does the Prime
Minister agree that subverting the
democratic political process in any
country is totally unacceptable?
Well, we certainly believe in
ensuring that democratic processes
are able to continue, people seek
free and fair elections and I think
that everybody in this House would
Can I thank the Prime
Minister for that answer? The parent
company of Cambridge analytic is to
check laboratories, run by a
chairman of Oxford Conservative
Association, and its founding
chairman was a former Conservative
MP. A director appears to have been
donated over £700,000 to the Tory
party. A former Conservative Party
treasurer is a shareholder. We know
about the links to the Conservative
Party and they go on and on. Will
the Prime Minister confirmed to the
House her governments connections to
Can I say, the right
honourable gentleman has been
talking about two companies, the
parent company and he also referred
to Cambridge analytic, and I can say
as far as I'm aware the Government
has no current contracts with
Cambridge analytic or the other
group. What we have seen in
Cambridge analytic are the
allegations clearly very concerning,
and it absolutely right that they
should be properly investigated. It
is right that the information
Commissioner is doing exactly that.
People need to have confidence in
how their personal data is being
used. And I would expect Facebook,
Cambridge analytic and all
organisations involved to comply
fully with the investigation taking
place. I'm pleased to say of course
the bill we are bringing forward on
data protection will strengthen
legislation on this and give the ICO
the information Commissioner office
tougher powers to ensure
organisations comply and I hope it
will be supported from everybody
across this House.
We have a lot of
backbenchers questions to get
through. Gordon Anderson.
London boroughs are renting houses
in Kent including Sittingbourne for
use as temporary accommodation for
homeless families. My local
authorities are then expected to
provide those families with the
support they need. This is putting a
strain on Kent's schools, hospitals
and social services who receive no
extra funding to provide that
support. Would my right honourable
friend agree with me that the London
Mayor and London boroughs should
provide more homes in the capital so
London families can be looked after
by them instead of placing the
burden on hard-pressed council
taxpayers in Kent?
Can I say to my
honourable friend that he is right
to speak up on behalf of his
constituents on this issue for some
London authorities must secure
temporary accommodation within their
own borough as far as is reasonably
practical. But we've also change the
laws so the council must take into
account the impact a change in
location would have on a household.
He's absolutely right, we do want to
see the London Mayor and boroughs
being able to build more homes. The
London Mayor has had money provided
to him to build affordable homes.
It's a pity he has not been building
as many as we would like to see.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. School cuts
in Portsmouth under this Government
will reach 3.3 by 2019 and
classrooms will be starved of
resources they need including
textbooks and basic stationary. At
the same time, 40,000 children in
the south-east rely on food banks.
If the Prime Minister was a teacher,
who had been under a pay cut for
eight years, what would she buy a
struggling child in one of my city's
classrooms, a textbook or a square
Can I say to the honourable
gentleman, he raises the issue of
school funding. As I said earlier,
actually, the amount of money we are
spending on schools is greater than
it has ever been before. What
matters is the quality of education
provided in schools for Sabato is
why I'm sorry he didn't welcome the
fact that we now see over 20,000
children at a good school in his
area, 9000 more than in 2010.
should all recognise and welcome the
employment figures announced today.
I'm sure we all welcome that, but
given the latest report that there
are an acceptably high levels of
youth unemployment among ethnic
communities in Britain, will my
right honourable friend explained to
the House what the new 19 limp and
fund will do to help young people
He raises are very
important point. We know these
figures because of the racial
disparity ordered which I
commissioned when I became Prime
Minister, it shows there's been
progress, but we do need to do more
because 16-24 -year-old in ethnic
groups are likely to be twice
unemployed than their white peers.
And £90 million I have announced
will help to tackle those
inequalities in youth unemployment
and it is an initiative which will
be run by the big lottery fund, and
it will identify the barriers to
employment for those young people
and help them to overcome those
barriers. I think that is incredibly
important and I was very pleased to
visit Birmingham, which is doing
excellent work in this area.
you, Mr Speaker. The war in Syria
has now entered its eighth year. In
recent weeks, over 1000 people have
been killed in eastern provinces and
hundreds of Kurds lie dead and
200,000 civilians are fleeing for
their lives. Even the hospital has
been attacked. What will the
Government do to help ring urgent
humanitarian relief to those in such
Can I say that we take the
situation in eastern provinces in
Syria very seriously indeed and it
is an issue which has been raised at
the United Nations Security Council.
The Foreign Secretary has raised
this issue with others as well. We
need to ensure that we are very
clear about what needs to happen to
ensure people could be protected,
humanitarian aid could get in and
for those whom it was necessary, for
them, because of their condition, to
be given a safe passage to do so and
we will continue to press this case.
We recently interviewed a panel of
university vice chancellors on the
education select committee who
failed to recognise their salaries
are outrageous, being twice that of
the Prime Minister, and mainly
funded by the taxpayer and student
debt. Given that these outrageous
salaries are paid in the poorest
performing universities, were the
Prime Minister confirmed this will
be looked at in the post education
I think she has raised a point
others are concerned about as well.
Universities are autonomous from
governments and with up to them how
they set their pay levels but they
should recognise students and
taxpayers are continued into the
higher education system and expect
value for money. The office of
students which has been set up will
be acting to ensure greater
transparency in relating to senior
staff pay full stop and requiring a
justification for total enumeration
package awarded to the providers
most senior staff so we will start
to see a light beam shone very
clearly on the issue.
Last week, the agriculture and
fisheries secretary, and Ruth
Davidson said that the Prime
Minister has been clear, Britain
will leave the CFP as of March 20
19. Now the UK is staying in the
fisheries policy but with no say on
quotas. The worst deal imaginable.
What changed between last week and
Can I say to the
honourable gentleman that we will be
working with the fishing industry,
both fishermen and fish processors,
that we do see a bright future for
the freshening industry -- fishing
industry. We will take back control
of the waters and make sure we do
not see British fishermen unfairly
denied access to other waters and we
want to rebuild our fishing
industry. That is a Conservative
Party that is committed to coming
out of the Common fisheries policy.
His party wants to stay in the
Common fisheries policy.
Common fisheries policy.
char well is really proud to be
building three houses a day, and
construction traffic is playing
havoc with our road surfaces. Will
the Prime Minister meet with me to
discuss what more national
government can do to help with
inevitable growing pains
can either say to my honourable
friend to congratulate Charwell for
the homes they are building.
recognise that this brings with it
other challenges and at budget we
more than doubled the housing
infrastructure fund with another
£2.7 billion, and earlier today my
right honourable friend, the Housing
Secretary announced a further 44
areas for infrastructure projects
with the potential to deliver
400,000 more homes, so I recognise
the important role infrastructure
The Prime Minister was right to
prevent members of the Royal family
and government ministers from
attending the football World Cup in
Russia. But what is being done to
safeguard everyday football fans in
what was in my view is already a
dangerous place to watch football.
Even before the incident in
Salisbury. What advice will be given
to travelling English supporters,
many of whom have already bought
their tickets? And if she confident
that adequate cooperation between
our police and the Russian police
will protect English fans?
recognise the important issue the
honourable gentleman has raised
because we want British football
fans to be able to be safe when they
are enjoying watching the England
team. And we are currently working
with the police and they are looking
closely at what arrangements will be
in place to support the England
football fans who travelled to
Russia and the Foreign Office will
be carefully monitoring the
situation to make sure advice is
available to football fans so they
are aware of the circumstances that
will be in Russia and what support
will be available.
honourable friend will be aware that
I mentioned Jackie Woodcock, a
terminally ill constituents of mine
who set up the dying to work
campaign. Santander, her mortgage
brokers have been incredibly helpful
in freezing her payments and will
take it from her estate when she
dies, but now they have gone even
further and are not increasing the
interest payments either. So would
my right honourable friend agree
that other banks should follow the
cover -- caring and compassionate
example set by Santander and
encourage them to look after
terminally ill people in the same
Can I say to my honourable
friend that she has raised an issue
about which she cares deeply, and
I'm certainly happy to join her in
congratulating Santander and the
support they have provided to Jackie
Woodcock. Obviously she has raised a
wider issue and it is important for
employers to be aware of and to
fulfil their legal obligations
towards their employees, including
the terminally ill employees, and
I'm sure others will look at the
excellent example Santander has set.
The Sunday Times said this week that
affordable housing and easy access
to London in Bedford has made it one
of the best places to live in the
UK. But Bedford constituents are
worried about and concerned about
the school funding cuts and services
cuts, the impending closure of the
only walk-in centre, the big
increase in homelessness and the
loss of peak-time rail services to
London. My question to the Prime
Minister is, why is the government
ruining the prospects of our great
I can say to the honourable
gentleman that the prospects of his
great town are being improved by the
fact we see thousands more children
in good and outstanding schools in
Bedford and we have in the local
authority than we have gone before
and when we came into power and it's
being improved, and then more
funding in Bedford, but it's also a
government that is ensuring we have
a strong economy providing jobs for
people in his constituency.
people in his constituency.
you, Mr Speaker. Financial services
are of critical importance both to
thousands of my constituents in
Hitchin and Harpenden and also to
the country as a whole. Will the
Prime Minister take this opportunity
to update the house on progress made
on ensuring that our future trade
deal with the European Union
includes an agreement on financial
Can I say to my honourable
friend that I'm well aware of the
importance of financial services
both for the United Kingdom and
constituents in his constituency and
elsewhere but also the important
role the City of London plays in
terms of the financial sector for
the whole of the European Union.
This is a matter in which we are in
discussion with the European Union
about and there is a recognition of
the significant role the City of
London plays and the importance of
ensuring that we may access to
finance across the European Union.
Mental health issues affect one in
ten children who on average have to
see their GP three times borate --
before referral with many waiting
for up to 18 months for treatment.
At a time when national funding in
the area is being constantly cut,
including a 5% reduction in funding
to Lewisham, is this not another
example of the government saying one
thing but doing another with our
May I say, that the government
is putting more funding into mental
health provision and have already
made available an additional £1.4
billion to improve children and
young people's mental health
services. And we have committed that
70,000 more people will have access
to mental health care. I will say
this to the honourable lady that she
rightly raises mental health issues,
particular she is raised if young
people, but across the board we need
to give more attention to mental
health. We are putting more money
into it and we want to see parity of
esteem between mental and physical
health in the National Health
Service. It is something the Labour
Party in 13 years of government have
failed to do.
failed to do.
The EU agreement
published this week has left
fishermen from Amble and the
north-east anxious. Why we will gain
control in the fermentation period,
which is great news, there is real
concern in case EU colleagues try to
take advantage of us losing our
voice in the CFP bike changing quota
rules during the implementation
period, so will the Prime Minister
consider asking deference to prepare
a financial mitigation plan to
protect the fleet should we need to
There needs to be the
certainty to operate on the same
basis until we reach a new
partnership we are renegotiating. As
I said earlier, the new partnership
means we want to take back control
of the waters and ensure British
fishermen are not unfairly denied
access to other waters and ensure
that we cannot -- we can rebuild the
fishing industry, which I think is
important. What has been agreed is
the stability key not being changed,
so the quotas that British fishermen
will operate under will not be
changed. I know that deaf are
looking actively at how we can
ensure that we are not only
maintaining the fishing industry but
that and rebuild it -- I know that
Defra are looking actively.
week every party in Westminster took
part in an international summit to
challenge violence against women in
politics. Online abuse dominated
discussions. Last year her
government considered a statutory
practice for social media
corporations for the abuse of
content they publish. Will the Prime
Minister say if she remains content
with a toothless, voluntary code, or
will she give it a digital guard dog
that both barks and bites?
Can I say
to the honourable lady that she
raises an important point. On all of
these issues we have taken the view
that we sit down with the industry
and work with them to see what they
are willing to do on a voluntary
basis but they know if that doesn't
actually work we will look at
legislation. The abuse that was
undertaken, she referred to the
abuse and political campaigning. I'm
afraid that is a sorry state of
affairs we have reached in this
country and we want to see the free
and fair election and people having
the confidence to be to go out and
put their views forward without
feeling they will be abused.
feeling they will be abused.
clinically led future fit programme
for Shropshire seeks to improve and
modernise hospital services across
Shropshire and we have been waiting
for a decision on this issue for
many years. Could the Prime Minister
use her good offices to ensure that
this vital scheme is supported in
the coming weeks so we can secure
the vital investment for Shropshire
My honourable friend is right
to speak up for Shropshire in the
way he has done and he will be
pleased to see that the Right
Honourable friend the Secretary of
State for Health and social care
purred to his comments and we will
contact him about this issue.
Speaker, the review made a big
difference in improving services for
children with communication needs.
Communication is the key life skill
for children to learn and thrive,
yet a decade on, the latest report
shows much more needs to be done. So
will the Prime Minister commit to a
cross government strategy that puts
this issue at the heart of policy
and gives all our children the best
possible start in life?
honourable gentleman has raised an
important issue and the Department
for Education will be considering
the report carefully because we do
not want to see any child held back
from achieving their potential which
includes ensuring those children
with speech, language and
communication needs are given the
support that they need and that
there has been particular training
for teachers to support children who
require additional help to
communicate. But we will introduce
the education health and care plans
to make sure children with
additional needs receive the right
support to succeed in school in the
future but we will look carefully at
the report and respond in due
Unlike the SNP, I do not
want to see Britain rejoin the
disastrous Common fisheries policy.
But I do have some concerns about
the fisheries aspects of the
transitional agreement which has
been provisionally agreed with the
European union. Before she travels
to the European Council, can the
Prime Minister assure the house and
fishing communities around the UK
that we will absolutely and
unequivocally take back full control
of our waters from 2021?
As I said
earlier, the point about the
fermentation period is that it is
the period during which people are
allowed to move to make the changes
that the new economic partnerships
we have and it will ensure that
businesses, fishermen included,
don't face to changes on the cliff
edge in the way that they are
operating. By definition because it
is maintaining the status quo so
people don't have to make those
extra changes, it is, I recognise
not the same and won't be the same
as the end state when we have a
future economic partnership and have
that new relationship. As I said
earlier one of the elements we will
be looking for in reassuring the
visiting industry is to ensure that
we do take back control of our
Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I
associate with myself with the Prime
Minister, the Leader of the
Opposition and the leader of the SNP
by offering condolences to the
family of the RAF engineer who was
killed tragically in my constituency
yesterday. The RAF has been part of
my constituency for over 75 years
and they are a tight-knit group of
aircraft men and support staff on
the ground. And whilst they are
grieving, will the primaries to join
with me in paying tribute to the
Royal Air Force and whilst they
commemorate their century of
dedicated service to our country.
am very happy to join the honourable
gentleman in saying what a great job
the Royal Air Force does for us, and
he sees it at first hand in its
connection with his constituency,
but we should recognise the valour
of all of those serving in our Armed
Forces, and particularly in this
100th year of the Royal Air Force,
those who serve in the Royal Air
Force, and we thank them for it.
May I welcome the government's
decision to create a medical school
at Canterbury in East Kent but to
clean my honourable friend the
Member for Faversham who has been
indefatigable in the fight for this.
Does not underline the importance of
training more doctors and nurses to
ensure our health services in the
region is well staffed and well
My honourable friend
is right. I'm pleased to welcome the
new medical school in Canterbury and
the four other schools set up around
those parts of the country and he's
also right this is about ensuring we
are training a workforce for the
National Health Service and we have
raised significantly the number of
training places, the biggest the NHS
has ever seen.
Thank you. Given that
mesh can shrink in a woman's body,
will she supported
will she supported proposals to
This is a very important issue
and this has caused concern to
women. And I will look in detail at
it. I'm happy to write to her about
it but I recognise the concern is
about this particular issue and I
will write about what the NHS will
be doing on it.
Thank you. Will she
congratulate the remarkable start of
Prince Alexander Hospital in Harlow
to ensure they are out of special
measures today? Will she support our
campaign for a new hospital to
ensure the staff is fit for the 21st
Can I congratulate the
local hospital in Harlow he is
referring to four coming out of
special measures? That's very
important and I know will give added
confidence to his constituents. He
tempts me to support a new hospital
in his area and I'm sure as he will
know the Secretary of State has
heard his request in relation to
that. What we do know is we are
putting more money into the NHS to
ensure we get the best possible
services provided to people through
the National Health Service.
Earlier this morning, the major
unions were on board for that. No
doubt more will be revealed in the
next couple of hours. Mr Corbyn went
on local governments, specifically
on Northampton, the Council there,
which has gone bust, and had to be
wound up. A Conservative councillor.
He said was that caused by Tory
incompetence at local level or
national level? The rest of the PMQs
we're all about local Government,
about spending, quality of services,
and of course the reason for that is
that the local elections are now
looming. On May the 3rd. Campaigns
are getting under way. A highly
political robust exchange between
the two frontbenchers on this. The
leader of the SNP in Parliament in
Westminster went on Conservative
connections with the parent company
of Cambridge analytical, something
we could be hearing more about as
the week goes on. Still with me is
Liz Truss. Also Laura Kuenssberg.
Local elections and their
campaigning has begun. They were
both prepared to be very political
and Theresa May dug further than she
ever has before in terms of trying
to push back to Jeremy Corbyn some
of the unhappiness and strife there
has been in local Labour councils
around the country. And the tensions
between council leaders who have
been here for a long time and knew
whether Labour supporters were. She
was making a full frontal political
attack. Jeremy Corbyn started off
with a real good question about it
at local Tories or national Tories
who are incompetent which is led to
a council collapsing? I think by the
end of the session, there'd been a
role reversal and Jeremy Corbyn
started strongly, the prime
ministers seemed to be on the back
foot but by the end it felt to me as
if it was the other way.
Corbyn at the beginning was strong
but it petered out a bit and the
Prime Minister generalised things
bye bye going into attack on Corbyn
is over positions in the Labour
Party, and what she regards as
moderate Labour politicians
resigning and so wonderful. It
became much more a party political
There's no question that
these issues around council
pressures will be a huge feature of
the council elections. No question
about that. Elections in lots of
different part of the country and
London too. The context to all of
that, both parties are in
expectation management phases, the
context is Labour particularly in
London expects to make some pretty
dramatic games and the Tories are
braced for a difficult night.
Truss, the background to all of this
is that there will be a £6 billion
local Government funding gap by
2020. 6 billion. Is that the
Government policy that that gap is
left open or it is filled by local
Our policy overall has
been to shift from having local
Government that was much funded by
national Government, in 2000 and
1080% of Government expenditure came
from central Government grant.
Towards local taxation, so local
politicians are accountable for what
they spend too local electors, and
that is the shift we have undertaken
over the past eight years and I
think that a good thing because it's
about democracy, people choosing
whether they want a local council
that is a high spender, very much
what Theresa May was talking about
when she said Labour councils cost
All councils will cost us
more than 6 billion funding gap.
Everyone will have to put up tax.
course any council can raise council
tax more if they have a local
referendum. We've always given
councils that freedom. They do have
that ability. One thing I would
point out is local Government
reserves have gone up over the past
eight years to the tune of 8
billion, so local Government
finances in terms of the reserves on
their balance sheets are actually
healthier than they were in 2010.
that is the case, why is it seven
out of ten councils with the biggest
rise in council tax been
That is a choice that
those Conservative councils have
They got all this money in the
bank and are raising people's
councils that are the lowest council
tax, so there's a difference between
the level they are charging, Andrew,
and the rise they might be
proposing, but I believe in local
politicians making decisions about
what is right for the local area and
raising the taxes locally and what
Labour want is they want a local
Government system controlled by the
centre where all the money is coming
from the Government because all of
their complaints about the cut in
the central Government grant...
is wrong with switching the focus,
there is still a lot of local money
from central Government, but what is
wrong with change in the focus on
local Government is financed more
I'm sorry to use a very
strong word here, but the hypocrisy.
We've just had Theresa May
criticising councils for increasing
council tax. I'm sorry to be very
personal. We will both in the
chamber, Labour was saying about the
cuts to local services and we had
the Government minister shouting
back at us from the Treasury, you
can raise council tax, raise council
tax, so we can't have it both ways.
If we want to have local services
properly funded, we either need the
money to come under the current
system from national Government? It
has been cut by a third. We said
previously you should not have got
rid of the banking levy to the
extent because that money could have
gone into children's services. The
alternative you have governors for
councils to charge more council tax,
so be open about it and call a spade
a spade. If you want deserves to be
maintained, actually say delays
local council, not just the
We have said that the
local council. Now the majority of
money is spent by local Government
is raised locally and that is a good
thing for accountability.
So you are
happy with council tax going up?
point is that Tory councils are more
effective the way they spend money
so they are getting better value for
money for what they are spending but
I totally support the idea that the
money should be raised locally for
services rather than nationally.
Isn't the floor, it may be good for
democracy but not for equity. Surely
a lot of the areas which need the
most money, the most help, are those
areas that have the lowest tax base?
They are poorer people and they
don't have the property stock which
is what local taxes are based on,
property prices, and it's support
tax base to raise money from.
give extra money, and that is part
of the formula, which goes into
But you have cut
by 6 billion?
What we want is local
councils to give planning permission
to allow more businesses to open,
have good policies to attract people
to those areas, and if they retain
more of their money was what we are
doing under business rates
retention, that's an encouragement
for local councils to be
pro-building more houses,
pro-enterprise. That is how we are
encouraging councils to be
accountable for the money we are
Let's hear from Anneliese
Dodds. We heard from the Secretary
for Communities and Local Government
admitting that the Government got
this wrong in terms of the money
they were giving back to local
authorities involved in this pilot
on business rates retention. It is a
mess. Councils don't know whether
they will be part of the system in
the future or not. They don't know
how it will be going across the
country. You have potentially big
spikes and troughs on business rates
if one big firm moves away. This is
a mess. People are suffering.
come to the issue that Jeremy Corbyn
raised in Northampton. The Council
is gone bust. I get no if the
figures are right but the idea that
96% of the services were outsourced.
A remarkable way to proceed even if
you were in favour of outsourcing,
but the Prime Minister said that it
had nothing to do with underfunding.
If that's the case, why do the Tory
leader of Northampton County Council
say we could not cope with the level
of cuts we were facing?
Independent report said that it had
nothing to do with underfunding,
which is what the Prime Minister
I think that could be a
bit strong, nothing to do.
a lot of opportunities to run things
more efficiently and do things more
efficiently and some councils have
taken as but this is a Tory council
and you just told us they have the
lowest taxes on the best services
and the best value for money.
said they could not cope with the
I'm making a generalisation
for them I'm not endorsing every
policy pursued because ultimately
this is a matter for local electors
and it's quite dangerous for
national politicians, and I very
much avoid saying what my opinion is
on things like planning, where local
councils have the lead on that
because otherwise you are
undercutting local politicians.
SNP Parliamentary leaders,
Conservative links to the holding
company of Cambridge analytic, have
you heard this? Is it serious?
There's been significant supporting
the last couple of days, people
looking for clues and links wherever
they can find them because of their
overall she usually deafening
controversy around the company.
Clearly, people are trying to go
through all the fingerprints about
who might have been connected to
this company. It does seem there are
people who have held good positions
in the Conservative Party over the
years who have links to the holding
company. Beyond that, in terms of
strong direct links to people who
are in power now, not so far, but
there's more to come out.
The guess the answer was 1972.
Anneliese Dodds, if you could press
the red button. We could find out
who the winner is. Philip,
That's all for today.
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