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Hello and welcome to Dateline London. | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
A pause in fighting is obviously desirable in Syria | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
Are Americans preparing for President Trump | :00:30. | :00:31. | |
And David Cameron's European Tour - will it end in success? | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
My guests today are Greg Katz of Associated Press, | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
Rachel Shabi, who is a writer on Middle Eastern affairs, | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
Abdel Bari Atwan who is an Arab journalist and broadcaster, | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
Good to see you. A ceasefire of some kind in Syria within a week appears | :00:46. | :00:58. | |
if not impossible, extremely difficult. Can it happen and how far | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
is Islamic State capable of shifting attacks to Theatre, North Africa and | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
perhaps Libya. Will a ceasefire happen? I am very sceptical here, | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
maybe a season of hostilities to let human aid get through to the | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
besieged area, maybe it is a possibility, but I believe the | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
ceasefire is impossible, because the people who have the upper hand on | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
the ground are really not included in this agreement, al-Nusra the | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
grades and Islamic State or ices. -- al-Nusra brigades. On top of that | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
president Assad of Syria said something alarming yesterday, he | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
said negotiation to doesn't mean which should stop fighting | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
terrorism, we will continue fighting terrorists all the time. So how can | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
we have a ceasefire while the major players are not included in these | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
talks, or president Assad is very determined to go ahead, and he | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
gained a lot recently on Aleppo in particular, and the major drive of | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
Russia and the Syrian president is to close the Syrian-Turkish border | :02:10. | :02:20. | |
in order to prevent any supply, any logistics, weapons, Fighters, to | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
join Islamic State and the al-Nusra brigades. I think maybe there is a | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
hidden agreement to let the Syrian army and the Russians to continue | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
the bombardment in order to seal the Turkish-Syrian border. Just one | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
specific question, do you think the Russians could turn the tap off for | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
Assad, stop supplying him and helping him with bombs, and control | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
the fighting. If the fighting simply because the Russians are now bombing | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
and apparently bombing civilians, although they deny it, everybody | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
else thinks they are. Definitely, the Russians have the upper hand on | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
Syria, definitely, after their military intervention, they change | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
the equation. Assad now is some sort of a player in their hands, they say | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
stop, he waltzed, continue, he continue. But if the Russians are | :03:16. | :03:25. | |
serious about this Syrian armed opposition to have the upper hand in | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
certain areas like Aleppo and adjacent to Turkey, this is the big | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
question. I believe the Syrians are serious, Assad will continue and he | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
will be a president and fight the next election, and will not let the | :03:37. | :03:43. | |
Turks and Saudis succeed here. Also they were say to be Americans, we | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
are very serious, if you want a third World War we are willing for | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
it, but if you want to listen to us, we are ready to compromise. Rachel. | :03:53. | :04:00. | |
I think what Russia has been doing has been spectacularly unhelpful, | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
just when we thought the conflict in Syria couldn't get worse, it has, | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
and it looks like it could get worse still. On the other hand it was | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
foretold. When Bashar al-Assad says what he says, it is hard but no | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
great surprise, this is the Civil War, a 0-sum game, he is backed by | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
Russia and will get what he can get. The thing disturbing me is that we | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
are still giving succour in this proxy war to an opposition that | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
cannot win, there is no winning here. So what we are saying to them | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
is, you can fight this honourable war, and there is no greater cause | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
than trying to get rid of a brutal dictator who is murdering and | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
torturing you, there is no greater cause than that, but if we say to | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
them, you can fight that until there are no Syrians left, let's say that, | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
because that's what the reality years. As abhorrent as Assad is, him | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
stay in some kind of negotiated peace solution where he transitions | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
out, and I am not sure the Russians are attached to him so much as | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
having a stronghold in Syria. They are attached to their warships | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
there. Exactly. That solution is completely repulsively but it is the | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
best solution, and at some point we will have to well not about. I spoke | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
to a senior British diplomat very familiar with the area, and he said | :05:30. | :05:37. | |
he thinks the reason there is a call for a ceasefire, cessation of | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
hostilities, whatever we call it, is that the West has run out of ideas | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
and Russia is effectively making the run. One thing to ask yourself is | :05:46. | :05:55. | |
what Russia actually can conceivably achieve or believes it can achieve. | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
It certainly cannot believe, if it is rational, that it could achieve a | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
situation whereby Assad takes back over Syria, that will not happen, he | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
doesn't have the capacity or strength to keep it even if they | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
bomb everybody out of all the areas. One of the reasons why Russia are so | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
tragically wrong about the opposition is that they does require | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
to be some strengthening of those forces who might be in contention to | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
take over large parts of Syria, otherwise you absolutely do have | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
nothing there. It reminds me a little about the arguments about the | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
Spanish Civil War. Which forces you would like to back, Saudi forces, | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
Turkish forces? I am not going to take part in this Socratic dialogue. | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
If you want instant forces there are a lot of groups, some more powerful | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
another's. Can they rule the country? No, the question is whether | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
they can roll part of the country, and the scenario you paint, which is | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
not the question I was asked, which is where you effectively abandoned | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
the thing to the imagination of Assad, which he can't. Your solution | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
is a non-solution. John Terry has been very clear this weekend, he has | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
been very critical of the Russians, has basically said there are | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
difficulties ahead but if this doesn't work, the call to jihad will | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
be even stronger, and he is right about that, I think. That the trend | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
we have seen for the last 18 months and we have seen Edexcel rating, and | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
perhaps a side benefit for the Russian strategy is the knees and | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
instability they are creating in southern Europe by displacing so | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
many people. We are getting ready for the European summit on Thursday | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
Friday and we are looking at this migration crisis that has not | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
slowed. The number of people leaving Syria has remained pretty much | :07:53. | :08:03. | |
constant despite the winter, so there are all kinds of strategic | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
benefits for Russia at this point by pursuing this policy. Canny ask you | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
about Libya, what you think will happen there? We don't talk about it | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
much but maybe we should. There is always an under of the situation in | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
the Middle East from the West in particular. You spoke about the | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
British diplomat who said we have run out of ideas, it is true, they | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
have been there for five years but achieved nothing. They underestimate | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
the strength of Islamic State or Isis. What happens now, even if you | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
destroy ice is in Syria and Iraq, what is the alternative? What will | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
happen, what is plan B? Now, this kind of organisation is expanding. | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
The problem is Libya now, they have more than 7000 fighters in Libya. It | :08:45. | :08:53. | |
is officers, fighters, soldiers of Gaddafi turning to Islamic State the | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
way former Saddam Hussein Republican guards did. They are strong and try | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
to attack the so-called oil present in Libya and were about to control | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
it, and special forces, British authors, French forces, prevented | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
them. The man who used to be the leader of Islamic State in Iraq and | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
Syria has moved to Libya and is reorganising his troops, and... He | :09:20. | :09:28. | |
is originally from Georgia so is very influential and experienced in | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
organising, recruiting people and putting military plans in place. It | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
is very dangerous. Nato now is trying to fix the mess it created | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
when it intervened five years ago. The decapitation of the Gaddafi | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
regime. Guess, so this is the problem. I think the mess was | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
slightly created by Libyan civil war. What happened to Libya is | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
exactly why we should look at what happens in Syria. You are kidding, | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
listen to what you just said. Let me finish the sentence. 450,000 dead in | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
Syria and we should be get bored because of Libya? If you take away a | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
regime and leave an opposition in capable of holding ground, that | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
ground will go to Islamic State. Some of that is true but we have | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
managed essentially by taking your advice, by the way, to concede | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
exactly that situation in Syria, because the Assad regime was not | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
strong enough to hold that ground, not because we put troops there or | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
did what the Russians did but because we let it go, but we let it | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
go... The other problem with this is that you cannot run history as two | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
separate experiments. If there had not be an intervention in Benghazi | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
many people would have been killed and would with doing heart searching | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
that we did about Bosnia. But how many people killed by these Nato | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
bombardment is? This theory that Gaddafi was going to massacre his | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
people is not proven. It was speculation. He said he would do it. | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
It was propaganda to prepare the ground for the Nato intervention. | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
How many people were killed by the Nato bombardment, we don't know. | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
What happened after that? Islamic State came and the Islamic militia | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
took over, anarchy, bloody anarchy, thousands of immigrants coming to | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
Europe. A final thought on this and I want to move on. You are seeing | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
the result of a series of strategic blunders where the military has been | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
used and has produced results that are counter to our collective | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
national security. The attacks to protect the civilians to Benghazi | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
was well-meaning and look what is left, that is my point. Let's move | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
on. Donald Trump meets the Republican establishment candidates | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
in New Hampshire, the first significant test of what ordinary | :12:01. | :12:08. | |
voters think of him. Bernie Sanders... Is a trump-Sanders | :12:09. | :12:23. | |
Presidency likely? I think Sanders has a great chance and would move to | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
the centre and would possibly be an electoral campaign. Hillary | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
Clinton's campaign has faltered badly. Sanders has a credible path | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
but at the moment he is not the favourite. I think Trump is the | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
favourite and Hillary is faltering badly, not connecting with voters | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
how she needs to. One of many things about this that the prize me is the | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
general coverage of the campaign, and this has happened so many times | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
before particularly in the British press, there is a candidate who is a | :12:56. | :13:02. | |
joke, that is the way he is treated, trump, Reagan, then all of a sudden | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
you find that this is not a joke but a serious candidate who might win. | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
Whether you like him or not is a different matter but they have to be | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
treated seriously. An American colleague of mine was warning at | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
least a year ago, stop treating Trump like a joke, it is serious and | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
it is scary, and you had this wish the media would take him more | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
seriously. What is interesting about this election campaign, Salon .com | :13:28. | :13:36. | |
described it as a mass interaction against a rigged system, and it | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
seems to be that is what is happening in the same way it is | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
happening across Europe, with Corbin and the progressives and the far | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
right across Europe, people just being fed up with unaccountable, | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
undemocratic, self-serving elites that are in thrall to serving | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
corporations and not interested in the 99%, set against rising costs, | :14:01. | :14:09. | |
plummeting wages, job insecurity, massive wealth inequality, and what | :14:10. | :14:11. | |
we are seeing with these progressives like Sanders is a | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
reaction to that, a rebellion against that. We are also seeing it | :14:17. | :14:24. | |
across the Western world. There is a bit of problem, racialist partially | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
right but partially wrong. You have given me a partial right! It will be | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
so heavily qualified in a moment... LAUGHTER Here comes the standard | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
explanation of what might be a left insurgency and a complete failure in | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
anyway to explain the right-wing insurgency. It is coming from the | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
same thing. Then why choose a multi billionaire property magnate as the | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
vehicle for this other America which is not run by money Mike. Sarah | :14:56. | :15:06. | |
Pailin, who is always worth repeating, said Donald Trump is from | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
the private sector, so in other words, although he is different from | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
Sanders, it is still an insurgency because he is outside the system. I | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
think she is right about that. This is the point that is right, there is | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
an insurgency, but I am not sure the reasons given for it are the real | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
reasons. I think they are part of the conceivable reasons. The other | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
part is the year row we are in, of a kind of comic easy form of | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
identification, individualist identification, with a candidate or | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
a stance, rather than a programme and a series of policies and | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
compromises you have to do to carry out. I have missed several tricks. | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
That is why I have been here. You have missed the fact that Sanders | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
and Corbin across Europe, they are the anti-leaders, they don't | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
identify with the leader, they say they represent movements. What did I | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
miss in the election therefore that we held in May last year, an actual | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
age and, not a putative thing, what happened, who won it? The Tories won | :16:15. | :16:23. | |
it. Listen to those over here! The most popular candidate in the most | :16:24. | :16:30. | |
Arab world is Bernie Sanders. It says a lot. Seriously? Seriously, | :16:31. | :16:40. | |
they are looking at him as a progressive, and a man who | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
understands, certainly because Jewishness for him is a culture, not | :16:45. | :16:51. | |
elude. He criticised Netanyahu and said the American president would | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
decide the foreign policy of the United States, not the Israeli prime | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
minister, and he is talking about poor people, how to help them, so he | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
is ahead of Hillary Clinton, which is not popular in the Middle East. | :17:06. | :17:12. | |
It tells you a lot... It tells you a lot about the Arab world! He is a | :17:13. | :17:20. | |
good man. I hope you wouldn't... They want you to tell them what | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
Jewishness is on away there can accept rather than what they cannot | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
accept. That is probably not the top note that statement. But he is a | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
progressive, he is winning. It is resonating with people and there is | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
a reason for that. Why should we stand against him? You doubted | :17:43. | :17:50. | |
Jeremy Corbyn would be elected and he is now the head of the Labour | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
Party. I was absolutely astonished that he was elected but there was an | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
anticipation, I certainly had it, didn't hold onto it for too long, | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
but anticipation that people would say, look, on the whole it would be | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
better to elect a labour leader who stood even a remote chance of | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
becoming Prime minister, because with some of the things we might | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
want to happen stand some little chance. There is no point... There | :18:18. | :18:24. | |
is no point in a minimum wage or additional money on the NHS. There | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
is no point in picking an austerity like candidate, doing just what the | :18:28. | :18:35. | |
Tories do but a bit better, why not just change the whole thing? Going | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
back to American politics for a minute, Bernie Sanders will now | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
shoot ahead with his endorsement. Going back to the point I was making | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
about trump, it would be stupid for people to underestimate a guy, a | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
Jewish guy from New York goes to Vermont, becomes mayor of the month | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
then goes to the Senate and says he is a socialist and winds in New | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
Hampshire. This is someone who clearly has something which connects | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
with a lot of people. Bernie is talented. I | :19:04. | :19:18. | |
knew him in Vermont, I went is to school there when he was younger and | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
more arrogant. Now he is older he comes across as fatherly and the | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
vile killer so he has grown into his arrogance. If the Democrats go with | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
Sanders, Bloomberg could be a formidable third party candidates, | :19:29. | :19:30. | |
like Ralph Nader or Ross Perot, could tip an election towards trump, | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
Rubio, cruise or any Republican candidate. On that happy note of not | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
knowing what is going on. We will say you cannot criticise David | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
Cameron, this is loan word, of chillaxing, when it comes to the | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
European Union. As his campaign for a better deal in Europe closes, as | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
he got the best we can hope for and will this convince the people have | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
voted in the referendum, what do you think? My problem is I don't care | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
about this deal very much because it is a deal essentially for the | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
Conservative Party's benefit, and is done in order to give the maximum | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
number of conservatives the maximum leeway to say, we have not done too | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
badly so we can stay in. In fact, the speech Cameron gave last night | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
was not just an argument in favour of his reform package but a gigantic | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
argument in favour of having their opinion and staying in it at almost | :20:30. | :20:37. | |
all costs. Which is your position. It is a strategic necessity for a | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
country like ours which has been recognised by leaders going back to | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
Macmillan and beyond, for Britain to be part of the European Union and | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
the European Alliance, as much as also part of a transatlantic | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
alliance, and to cop out of it I think would be a major disaster. I | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
would vote for the EU, the matter what this deal was, but what | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
surprises me is that he even has what he has, which is an indication | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
that other European governments are nervous as well about the prospects | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
of a British exit. Two unusual things have happened, one is I agree | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
with David when he says it is more about the Tory party. Jeremy Corbyn | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
said that. I am not bound by his word but thanks for that endorsement | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
of my independence of mind! The second thing I said is interesting | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
and I never thought I would say is I'm quite impressed by the way | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
Cameron has handled Europe. He has done a good job, in that charming, | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
chummy way our political and media elites have, he has in gauge to | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
European leaders in the past few months who were keen on him to begin | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
with, and he has turned around the EU which may be a year ago would | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
have said, leave, we don't want you with your stupid exception list | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
demands. He has brought them round and is much as it pains me to say | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
that is to his credit. It is also due to other things being broken in | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
the EU, the immigration question and Borders. David Cameron manipulated | :22:12. | :22:19. | |
the weakness of Europe in order to gain some concessions. When I say | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
the weakness, the European Union is in its week is time now because of | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
the immigration problems, because of the border, and because this | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
agreement and the quotas and so on. He decided to hit now, so it might | :22:37. | :22:44. | |
say, OK, if you wanted to stay you have to make concessions. Europe | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
want him in and also David Cameron wanted to stay in Europe. If he | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
didn't he could make his terms and conditions much more difficult to be | :22:54. | :23:00. | |
accepted. But he has made his conditions once he think the | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
Europeans can accept. That is something pro-and anti-Europeans in | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
this country agree about, that the bar has been set. John Kerry also | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
said this weekend he thinks Britain's places in the EU. That is | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
the view in Washington. Yes, the Obama people have been clear that | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
Britain has two stay in the EU from the US point of view. There was a | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
story this morning that the US is planning a fairly aggressive... The | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
Obama people are trying to figure out to what degree Obama personally | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
lobbying for this would either help the cause or hurt it, because they | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
don't want to be seen to be telling Brits what to do or how to vote, but | :23:41. | :23:47. | |
they are alarmed about Britain pulling out, the nuclear deterrent, | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
Scotland possibly leaving the UK, the thing that could be set in | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
motion at a time of increased Russian aggression, Britain pulling | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
out of Europe makes Washington nervous. They are used to thinking | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
Britain as their closest, most influential ally, and they are | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
afraid of that. So some of those things have come out already, but | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
the only calculation from the Obama administration is whether he makes a | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
big thing of it, whether it is counter adopted -- | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
counter-productive. Yes. But they are really worried in Washington. | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
The verb is sleepwalking, it you guys could be sleepwalking to | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
withdrawal from the EU which to Washington makes no sense. It is | :24:31. | :24:39. | |
difficult from a progressive point of view, clearly the EU is | :24:40. | :24:41. | |
problematic, and democratic, and accountable and secretive and | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
serving elites. Aside from that?! Talk about what the Romans have ever | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
done for us! We need to strengthen the things like the human rights | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
function, the Labour directive argument, why freedom of movement is | :25:02. | :25:11. | |
needed. We are not having a chance to air a progressive conversation | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
about reforming the EU. Varoufakis did that last week. As a journalist | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
this will be a huge story for us, I would like to see more people on the | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
yes and no side. That's it for Dateline London this week. You can | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
comment on the programme on Twitter, @gavinesler. We are back next week | :25:33. | :25:33. | |
at the same time. Goodbye. Let's see what the weather is up | :25:34. | :25:52. | |
to for the rest of today. | :25:53. | :25:56. |