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Hello and welcome to Dateline London. | :00:25. | :00:25. | |
This week we discuss whether Theresa May can go | :00:26. | :00:32. | |
on and on as Prime Minister, look at the latest round of Brexit talks, | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
and ask what can be done to defuse the North Korea crisis? | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
the political journalist and commentator Alex Deane | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
the North American journalist and broadcaster Jeffrey Kofman | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
and the writer broadcaster Mihir Bose. | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
The British Prime Minister Theresa May ended up having a rather frank | :00:51. | :01:01. | |
conversation with journalists on her flight to Japan this week - | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
she insisted she would like to lead her Conservative party into the next | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
general election, in five years time. | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
For politics-watchers of a certain age, there were echoes | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
of Margaret Thatcher's stated determination to go on and on. | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
Alex, what did you make of her comments? | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
I think as soon as any political leader gives the deadline as to when | :01:23. | :01:30. | |
they are going to go, speculation becomes rampant about who will | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
replace them. It's healthy for a leader to want to fight whatever the | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
next contest is that their party faces. It was the right thing for | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
the Prime Minister to say. There is also more room to manoeuvre than in | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
the Blair Brown years because there is no Gordon Brown. There is no one | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
going around with lots of aggression, both theirs and others, | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
determined to oust the incumbent. Interestingly, Tony Blair also got | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
caught by a pack of journalists on the plane when Doctor David Kelly | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
died. They got a lot of commentary out of him in that time. There seems | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
to be something that happens on aircraft. I think you are right. The | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
dilemma that Theresa May faced was if she did not declare this, she was | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
in danger of becoming a caretaker and lame-duck Prime Minister. She | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
has to be all in. She can't be half pregnant, so to speak. Whether it is | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
the intention to stay, she needs to declare this or else she loses | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
control. I don't think she is going to stay. Obviously she will wait | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
until the Brexit negotiations and then she will go and you are quite | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
right. You know, she can't say no, I won't stay otherwise she will be | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
dead in the water. She will wait for the Brexit negotiations. I can't see | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
her leading the Conservative Party. Into an election? There was | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
speculation after the election that the May's leadership might have been | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
under attack before that, but her fortunes have improved considerably. | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
David Davis is the one to watch out for. The bigger picture is, you are | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
right, it was the only answer she could give as the leader of the | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
Conservative government, but in national terms, what is this good | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
for if she stays? She is, as many people have commented, she has lost | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
her credibility. She went into an election she did not need to and | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
lost the Conservatives seats and ended up with a hung parliament | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
which means that the government is too weak to legislate. At a time | :03:47. | :03:55. | |
when Britain is dealing with Brexit, economic stagnation, wage stagnation | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
and spiralling costs. We have a government that is ineffectual. They | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
cannot do anything to address real issues and problems. So when we look | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
at her in terms of she is doing the responsible thing, and that might be | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
true for her party because the Conservatives don't have another | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
leader otherwise she would be replaced in a flash. They simply do | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
not have anyone to replace her with. It might be good party, but what is | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
good for the country? You could make the argument that it would be better | :04:26. | :04:34. | |
for the Conservative Party to have a leadership challenge, even if that | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
precipitate another election. One of the reasons for her making the | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
comment now is that the party conferences coming up. She would not | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
want to say something like, I'm going to go because then the party | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
conference will become an election for which is the last thing they | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
want. It's going to be anyway. They are too disgruntled with her and | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
there is too much disunity within the party for that plaster, that | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
Band Aid to stick. And to your point, Alex, there is no obvious | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
successor and that is different to where we were a few months ago. It | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
has change quickly. There is no obvious person around whose | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
ambitions might coalesce, but I disagree with Rachel. There are | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
plenty of people around the Cabinet table that are qualified to hold the | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
role of Prime Minister, it simply that the May's position does more to | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
defend itself when she is in the mode of governing and not | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
campaigning. Any party that calls an election when it doesn't need to and | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
does not get the result it wants, it's not good. I disagree with | :05:43. | :05:50. | |
Rachel though because challenges to Theresa May are far less likely than | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
these conversations imply. I know where going to talk about Brexit in | :05:54. | :06:07. | |
a moment... They dovetail! We see the Labour Party defining a | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
different position over the last week and so it becomes a more | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
nuanced going for her to try to figure out how to navigate Brexit. | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
It is not going well and whether or not she can deliver something that | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
is going to satisfy enough people, I think it will determine her own | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
future. Mihir, you mentioned David Davis. Let's talk about him and what | :06:29. | :06:38. | |
he has been saying. He said that things had got a little tense this | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
week. That's the word he used as Brexit tools were into their third | :06:44. | :06:44. | |
round. Another British minister, Liam Fox, | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
said the country shouldn't be blackmailed by the EU | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
over the divorce bill. the bloc's chief negotiatior, | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
expressed frustration at the slow Rachel, you've been writing | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
a lot about Europe. through all of this, | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
he remains optimistic. No, I am not optimistic. It is not | :07:01. | :07:09. | |
looking good, is it? It was a deadlock and it was to be expected. | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
In terms of the EU black men in Britain, I mean I would not expect | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
anything other than the EU looking after now it's 27 remaining states. | :07:20. | :07:27. | |
I do not expect it to do anything different, so I think it's a bit | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
ridiculous and certainly, I can understand the frustration of the EU | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
negotiators saying, look, we need to see some paperwork here. Something, | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
anything. Give us some indication of where this is going so we can | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
negotiate, so we can start negotiating. What is becoming more | :07:46. | :07:53. | |
and more clearer is how much Brexit is really an ideology rather than a | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
deliverable practical reality, but we are where we are, we voted to | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
leave and we to execute that. I think what is becoming clear now is | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
that there is a difference between the two. The their political reality | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
of what they are saying rhetorically is very much what the negotiating | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
situation is. For Britain, the political reality differs from the | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
rhetoric that Brexiteers have been giving us over what we might expect | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
from a deal and I think the government, it's incumbent on them | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
to manage people's expectations and said look, we promised you a lot of | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
stuff we can't deliver. We don't know yet, we might be able to | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
deliver it. It is early days, actually. The writing is on the | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
wall. We do know, the cake and eat it thing is something we know. We | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
cannot have the same conditions and exit. Things will change, right? | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
It's likely they will change for the worst, at least in the short term | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
and we almost certainly do need a conditional deal that needs as much | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
continuity in place as is possible and certainly parliament to have | :09:10. | :09:18. | |
changed their position on that has made a difference. It's not tenable | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
one have any Parliamentary wait. There is a big gap between what the | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
public has been promised and what actually will be the case. That is a | :09:29. | :09:35. | |
problem the Britain in a way it isn't for the EU. This notion of | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
blackmail is very much about trying to set up a bogeyman that says, oh, | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
it is therefore. In Europe this is not a big deal as it is here. This | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
is Britain's problem. The people of France and Germany in the | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
Netherlands are waking up and saying, I want to have a Brexit | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
negotiations went this week? They have their own issues. Macron has | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
transformed the French economy. That's what they're talking about in | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
the French media. This is an old political game. Those bad guys in | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
Brussels, the EU were making it difficult and not playing fair. This | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
is a British problem and Britain has to find a way to negate the gate -- | :10:15. | :10:22. | |
find a way to navigate with the EU. On the one hand the rhetoric coming | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
out of the EU is wholly accurate, on the other hand the rhetoric from the | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
United Kingdom is outrageous, and serves and does not reflect reality. | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
Both sides are posturing. There is this weird self lacerating instinct | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
among some in the United Kingdom to believe everything that comes out of | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
the EU bloc and nothing that is said by our own government and | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
representatives. Some of this is not true. The suggestion that we need | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
some paperwork to have some kind of negotiation as Rachel said, that was | :10:58. | :11:05. | |
a big gap there. There have been publications of Brexit papers. It's | :11:06. | :11:14. | |
about what is in them. You are having your own meta- debate. Oh, I | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
don't like that paperwork. Historically, this reminds me of the | :11:22. | :11:28. | |
Empire. There was a difference. The British were in control. For | :11:29. | :11:37. | |
example, India was going to become a republic. Backley and Churchill | :11:38. | :11:44. | |
wrote begging letters staying in the near room, stay. They created then | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
the Commonwealth which is an imaginary club. The Queen has no | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
power in India or the various republics are formed. The British | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
aren't used to walking away. They like to be liked. They like to feel | :11:59. | :12:05. | |
they are morally superior, that is the basis of their war, we are | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
morally right. What the EU is not giving them is enough of that | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
reassurance, that feeling that we can create a club somehow and have | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
links with the EU of a certain kind, but yes we are outside it. What is | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
interesting is Labour's walk back. Now we have some differentiation | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
between the two main parties and it creates an interesting opportunity | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
for debate. Corbyn, for so many people is hard to stomach as much as | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
he has a huge following. He is a polarising figure, as is Theresa | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
May. Now his party straddling these different worlds. That distinction | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
is interesting. Corbyn, until he became leader at least, used to say | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
that the EU was a stitch up, done in the interest of big business and big | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
banks. He's not completely wrong. Then he becomes the leader of a | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
party that is fastly more pro-EU then he is. He is sort of mumbling | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
and going on with his position. Keir Starmer, whose position is | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
different, it goes almost unsaid that there is this gulf between him | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
and his leader. Does anyone think that there are moderate voices in | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
Europe who are not being heard in this debate? To Alex's point, there | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
will be posturing, this is part of a negotiating process and there are | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
probably lots of reasonable people behind the scenes who want to strike | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
a deal with Britain because it is in everyone's interests, in terms of | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
trade in harmony. The only way to give Britain to good deal, is that | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
other countries might want it as well. They have to keep the union | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
together. If they have too many getaway causes, other countries will | :14:08. | :14:14. | |
want it. Is that the EU worry? If you had a friend who was in a | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
relationship and they wanted to leave, but were afraid to do so | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
because of the consequences of what would happen, what would you advise | :14:21. | :14:30. | |
them to do? That has no substance. If you are a member of a club, then | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
obviously you want the perks to be better than they would be if you | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
were outside the club. Nobody in that club will want to see someone | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
leap that club and have the same benefits, and that is what I meant | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
by the rhetorical gap. That position is the EU position and that is | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
consistent with what they are saying. They are constantly saying, | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
look, things can't be the same for you. I'm going to pause it there | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
because guess what? We will be talking about this a lot in many | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
weeks to come. The next stage of the reading of the bill is in the UK | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
Parliament on Thursday, said there may be more next week. Thank you on | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
all of that is now, but there will be more to come. | :15:13. | :15:14. | |
Tensions on the Korean peninsula are the highest | :15:15. | :15:16. | |
The United Nations condemned as outrageous North Korea's firing | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
of a ballistic missile over Japan a few days ago. | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
all options were then on the table, and today we learn that the US | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
and South Korea have agreed in a phone call to strengthen | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
Seoul's missile programme, and that Donald Trump approved | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
the sale of billions of dollars worth of military equipment | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
Jeffrey, the firing of the missile over Hakkaido | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
We have talked about ratcheting it up a few times, but this is | :15:41. | :15:56. | |
ratcheting it up again? These are frightening times. If you live in | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
that peninsula, these are terrifying times. What we have are two | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
schoolyard bullies, King John Warner and Trump. What we need is | :16:08. | :16:15. | |
diplomacy. No one is going to win this, we know that. Ultimately the | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
US will triumph, should it get to that horrific scenario, but it's not | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
one we can allow to happen. We have to bring it back and find a way to | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
allow the sides to save face enough to dial this down. If that means the | :16:31. | :16:40. | |
US pull back a bit on their military exercises, somehow we have to get | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
North Korea in its insanity to stop firing these missiles and say OK, | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
you can save face. The problem is it now looks like extortion. The | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
sanctions that were passed in early August by the UN are crippling | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
against iron, or an seafood and other exports from North Korea. 25 | :16:58. | :17:08. | |
million people with the average income of about $1000 US a year. | :17:09. | :17:22. | |
They need the sanctions lifted. Be duly elected president of the United | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
States and the third generation of a dictator who has this map -- who has | :17:27. | :17:36. | |
systematically... I take your point, but the fact is we have a president | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
in the US, this has gone on through Obama, through Bush, Bill Clinton, | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
it goes right back to Richard Nixon, this belligerence we are seeing out | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
of North Korea. They have managed to contain it. The policy, like we have | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
seen in the Cold War is one of containment. If Ruby belligerence of | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
a duly elected US president, and we can talk about that another time, if | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
belligerence meets belligerence, are we going to be better off? The point | :18:09. | :18:19. | |
is, why is keen on doing it? He has seen Saddam and Gaddafi, two very | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
bad dictators, no question about it, not having nuclear weapons, removed. | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
There is at some stage some big oceans that need to take place and | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
China is crucial to this to make sure that whatever your regime is, | :18:34. | :18:42. | |
and of course you were not elected like the American system, but we | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
don't want to remove you from power. How you do that is the crucial thing | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
and the more belligerent talk there is one Trump, it becomes more | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
difficult to get that. It's interesting to see the effect it has | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
had on Japan. You look at the country, and whatever you think of | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
the geopolitics of those nations, they are now looking out for the | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
first time they have raised the possibility of installing | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
pre-emptive missile capacity. That is a really big deal for a country | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
that constitutionally has been disinclined to do anything like that | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
since the Second World War. It's a really big change and of course, | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
they are now having drills in a way that it must be very terrifying for | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
the population, and there is a Guardian story about this today. | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
They have 600,000 northern Koreans living in Japan, a lot of them | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
descendants of former prisoners and the tension being caused in the | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
country itself between those two groups, is it is having terrible | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
ramifications for the country as well and I do think that that is | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
where the belligerence is really unhelpful. Let's get back to how we | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
get to any form of negotiation. I have lost count of the number of | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
academics, diplomats I have interviewed who say it is about | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
diplomacy, you have to get them around the table, but no one is | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
coming up with an answer. You are seeing a two track narrative. On one | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
hand the president with his belligerence and the people very | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
close to him, Tillerson, the Secretary of State and others in the | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
Cabinet, being much more diplomatic and giving a different story. That's | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
exactly what Nixon did with Russia and China in his triangulation | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
policy and Kissinger had negotiations, notwithstanding the | :20:45. | :20:46. | |
fact that the president was pumping the table. There is a rationale | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
here. Maybe people don't want to see because they don't like President | :20:51. | :20:59. | |
Trump, maybe they see it. But chairman -- ultimately, this is | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
about buying them off and working out what the prices, as compared to | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
the fact that the people that have been most resistant is the North | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
Koreans. They have acquired the technology to have nuclear capacity | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
and attack others. Not that they will do it in some mad act of self | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
destruction, but it is to raise the stakes in the game. It's about | :21:20. | :21:28. | |
self-preservation. North Korea, it's much more complex than German | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
unification was. This economy has been in the decrepit state for so | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
long and China has so much interest in not seeing an outcome that | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
ultimately makes a unifying Korea with a western allies. There are all | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
things at play in terms of the chess game in that region. We will post it | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
there for now. We have met here with us. I have to ask you, football. | :21:58. | :22:06. | |
Even I know that the transfer window closed this week and the figures | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
were astronomical. It's a new record. What is going on here? There | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
is more money available. The Premier League, which is the best run, most | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
successful league in the world in money terms, they did a deal a year | :22:20. | :22:28. | |
ago, 8.4 billion. More importantly, the money is going down to clubs | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
that don't expect to be in the Premier League, like Bournemouth, | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
who now have more money to spend. Britain has allowed a free market so | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
most of the top Premier League clubs are owned by foreigners. Manchester | :22:41. | :22:47. | |
City is owned by the United Arab Emirates. Like America, it doesn't | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
believe in socialism, but it does believe in sporting socialism, we | :22:52. | :23:01. | |
allow everyone to come in. They see this as branding exercises and as | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
far as they are concerned, most of the money is going abroad. In the | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
old days, there used to be Reaganite trickle-down economic. The big clubs | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
pay the lower division clubs. Now they pay all sorts of foreign clubs. | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
The only thing if they can get into the Premier League and brand | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
themselves, look at what has happened by PSG. They are owned by | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
the Qatar state. They paid 86 million for Neymar. Maybe that is a | :23:32. | :23:42. | |
solution for Kim. Perhaps if the paid for Neymar and they could say | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
that North Korea has a great footballer. If only! I am a fan of | :23:46. | :23:55. | |
the best club in the United Kingdom, Ipswich town. We have secured a new | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
striker from Rangers, so we have done our part! It does seem that | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
when other clubs see that an English club is making an acquisition, the | :24:08. | :24:15. | |
price goes up. People can pay more, so they do. We play exciting | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
football and that is what is a sign of success. When people say that the | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
sums are obscene, are we just wringing our hands? There is nothing | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
we can do about it, it is the new World order. Much of Neymar's money | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
went to his father. These players, because of the money they earn, they | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
are corporate entities. They can employ the best lawyers, agents and | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
because of the way that football works, the agents also the | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
recruiters. But what about smaller clubs, grassroots? This is what is | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
wrong with the 21st-century economy. This kind of polarisation of wealth, | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
they are given a lot of money, but ?30 million, 35 million, it is just | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
ludicrous. As we sit around a table at the BBC, let's not pretend it's | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
just football that has a problem with salaries. That's what I said. | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
The Americans have done it better. They disclose more details about | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
players salaries. The Germans insist that 51% of the club is owned inside | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
their own country. We have owners now who have no connection. | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
Abramowitz has never given an interview. At the end of the day, | :25:38. | :25:51. | |
football is meant to be a community sports. If the owners are somebody | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
you have never heard of, they just come in by the club, what is their | :25:56. | :26:02. | |
purpose in doing it? There we are. We attempted to solve geopolitical | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
problems through football. Thank goodness you manage to do that for | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
us. Lovely to have you all here. Much more to discuss same time, same | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
place next week. Thank you for being with us. Goodbye. | :26:16. | :26:21. |