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Across east Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, cultural events

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are taking place that are putting this region well and truly

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on the map, and the political map of the region could be

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about to change too, with the vote on June the 8th.

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There's a buzz about this place, Hull, in particular,

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International artists are making the city their home,

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and new work celebrating the community, the history

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and the future of Hull have all been in the national spotlight.

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As we prepare to go to the polls again in the general election,

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the decisions made by voters here and across east Yorkshire

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and Lincolnshire will help to shape the political landscape

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of the region and country for the next five years.

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Good evening, and welcome to a special Look North

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general election debate from St Mary's College in Hull.

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Tonight we're joined by an audience of voters from across east

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Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, who will be putting their

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They are Victoria Atkins for the Conservatives,

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standing in Louth and Horncastle, Claire Thomas for the Liberal

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Democrats, standing in Hull for Hull West and Hessle,

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Diana Johnson for Labour, also standing in this city

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for the Hull North constituency, and Mike Hookem standing

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Now, you can follow the debate as we go along.

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If you want to comment on any of the remarks that you've heard

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made by either our guests or by our audience, then

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just go to social media, either Facebook or Twitter.

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We look forward to reading all of your comments as we go along.

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So let's have our first question from a GP in Hull.

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I want to ask you, how will you seek funding for the NHS

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so we have a future health care system that lasts?

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The National Health Service is absolutely critical

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to our country, to each of us as individuals, and I thank you,

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One of the things we've got to do is to make sure

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that we have a sustainable plan for the NHS going forward,

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and that is why, in 2015, the Conservatives asked

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the professionals in the NHS for the money they wanted

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We are giving the NHS that money and we are committing a further

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?8 billion over the next five-year Parliament.

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Now, what we need to do is to make sure that that money is spent

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as effectively as possible, and I know that there are issues,

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for example, GP waiting times, certainly in my part of

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We've got to make sure that we can recruit more doctors, more nurses

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and that they are working with the best technologies

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we have available so that conditions such as cancer,

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survival rates of cancer continue to improve,

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as they have done over the last few years.

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Are you going to fund this by increasing income taxes

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or National Insurance because the guaranteed not to do

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What is absolutely key to finding the NHS and all of the public

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services that we care about is a strong economy

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because the foundations of strong economy, more people in work,

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as there are at the moment, we have the highest employment

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rate for many years now, more people paying taxes, fair rates

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of tax, that is what helps fund the NHS and all the things

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We have to support the economy to make sure it's

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The Conservatives are a low tax party by nature,

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and it's one of the reasons I am a Conservative, but it's the economy

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What Victoria's just said obviously doesn't allow

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for the fact where the money's going to come from.

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The Lib Dems have been very clear that we would put a penny on income

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tax and ring fence that money to pay for investment in the

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And I think that anybody that tries to say, we are going to invest

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in the NHS, we are going to invest in social care, but can't say

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where the money is coming from is just fooling us because this

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The NHS needs that extra funding, and we have to be clear that that

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funding doesn't come out of nowhere, so it's right that we should put

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It's fair for everybody to pay a penny extra on our income tax

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in order to fund the NHS, that funding that's

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But your leader has said that the Conservatives

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are going to win, and he said that there will be no coalition

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with any other party, so why would anybody vote

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Because we are going to be the ones that are out there fighting

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for the NHS and fighting for this extra penny in income tax.

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At the moment, we've got a situation where the Conservatives

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are doing what they like, and they know they are not

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going to invest in the NHS and in social care, we know

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that they are not going to put up taxes in order to do that.

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We don't know where the money's going to come from.

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Their manifesto doesn't say where the money's going to come

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from this investment but, to be fair, Labour are not providing

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that opposition to stand up for our NHS either and,

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actually, there is no solution being given by anybody

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We are saying, actually, that penny on income tax to pay for it,

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we are being honest about the fact that there isn't enough money,

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and this is where we would bring the money from.

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To answer the question directly, the Labour Party has said

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that we want to increase the rate of tax for people who earn

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over ?80,000 per year to 45p in the pound,

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and for those earning over ?125,000, we want to put it up

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We also want to see corporation tax go up so big companies are paying

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a fair share into paying for services like the NHS.

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So I think we've got a very clear way of saying how

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It certainly seems to me there are issues about staffing in the NHS.

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We are here in Hull, we have the Hull York Medical School.

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I certainly want to see more GP and doctor training places

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being given to Hull York Medical School.

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And also, one of the other things which I think is a disgrace

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that the Conservatives have done in government is to take away

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the nurse bursaries to stop encouraging people to go

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Let's take a quick question from the gentleman there in the blue

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You had your chance in 2010 when you were in coalition

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with the government, and you never stuck

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to your promises then, so why would we believe you now?

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Gentleman in the checked shirt behind.

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I think one of the interesting things said there is that,

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particularly the targets from the Labour Party,

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talking about big businesses paying for increasing tax in parts

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of their manifesto, do you actually have a defined

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statistic for what you define as a big business?

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Because I think it very interesting to say that you're going to increase

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corporation tax in order to fund things like this, but there are also

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lots of small and medium businesses who this would particularly

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negatively affect, and I think that could be very dangerous.

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I'll come back to Diana Johnson in a moment.

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Firstly, as a party, we are fully committed to the NHS

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And we would fund the NHS through taking money back

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from the foreign aid budget, which is at ?14 billion

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We would take ?9 billion back out and we would put that into the NHS.

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We need more doctors, we need more nurses.

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We have grade A students that are not allowed to go

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There's a cap at the moment at ?7500.

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That's got to be raised to somewhere like ?10,000.

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We need more front-line staff and we need to put the money in,

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and that money's got to come from the foreign aid budget.

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It's got to be charity begins at home.

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We've got to put that money into the NHS.

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We might come back to that later in the programme.

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Diana Johnson, why should a headteacher or a senior policeman

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We have an income tax system that means, if you earn more,

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you pay a bit more, and I think a progressive party,

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like the Labour Party, believes that, if you're earning

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When you think the average wage in Hull is about ?20,000,

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it's fair that those people pay a bit more.

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Can I just respond to the issue about the corporation tax?

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Because I think that gentleman's absolutely right.

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We need to make sure that we support and encourage small businesses,

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and we don't want to see them having the same high rate of corporation

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tax is big businesses JD Sports or Amazon or whoever.

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So I think there would have to be some accommodation to make sure

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And can I say one other thing about the foreign aid budget?

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Because I think we need to be clear that we spend nine times

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as much on the NHS as we do on the foreign aid budget.

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So if you're actually looking at the figures,

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it's not going to put that much into the NHS.

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I'd rather see it going to the NHS than go to China, North Korea

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Mike Hookem, it was only last year that your leader was saying he wants

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to privatise the NHS, he'd like to see a privatised NHS!

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Before you come here, if you do a bit of research,

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that was actually a hustingss back in 2009 when he said

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I've got family members that work in the NHS.

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We have to start looking at what we are paying for.

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One of the questions which comes up time and time again in e-mails

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to me just recently is, what is the actual

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Because every one of the parties you've got sat here today have

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all campaigned vigorously to stay within the European Union.

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David Cameron spent ?9.3 million of our money to send

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But you've got what you set out to do, haven't you?

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Ukip is there to make sure that the Brexit that we get

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is the Brexit that we voted for, and all of these parties that you've

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Theresa May has already started backsliding on social

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care, on the fisheries, and she will betray you,

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as Ted Heath betrayed the fishing industries in 73.

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Gentleman in the blue shirt at the back.

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Just out of interest, as someone who works,

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Isn't that's what's supposed to pay for the National Health Service

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as well as the employee's contribution to the

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We all contribute an awful lot to a health service

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that all of us love, regardless of colour,

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This debate has been going on year after year after year,

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Every party is trying their hardest to actually sort out a solution

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Shouldn't we have a cross-party approach to this?

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And actually work out how to look after the National Health Service

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Two more quick quotes, and then we'll move on to the next question.

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Lady at the back in the beige cardigan, I think it is.

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You've all said that you're going to pour money into the NHS.

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How do you actually propose to get the GPs and the health care workers

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to come to this part of the country to do the job?

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Because we are so short of those sort of people to come to this area.

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In Lincolnshire, particularly in the rural areas of Lincolnshire,

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we do have difficulties recruiting GPs and professionals to this

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I do everything I can to sell Lincolnshire.

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If you're a medical professional, please come to Lincolnshire

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But one of the things that Lincolnshire County Council has done

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is to introduce a ?20,000 golden hello to new GPs

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And those sorts of initiatives, as well as speaking up for the local

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area, that I hope will attract more professionals into the county

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Final comment from this gentleman in the front in the smart suits.

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Peter, you have four wonderful candidates there, I'm sure.

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You are all vying for people's votes this evening as well.

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There are probably people in this audience that don't really

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know which way to vote on the 8th of June.

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You were asked question, how you would fund it.

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You said you would put income tax up by 1p in the pound.

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But your leader has said it would be significantly more.

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You, Diana, and the Labour government, if you were

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in government, would increase tax significantly.

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I've been self-employed for 34 years.

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?80,000 is a lot of money compared to ?20,000 for a person

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who's self-employed, taking all the risks.

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So what is the point that you're making?

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?80,000 is not a lot of money for somebody who works 60-80 hours

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a week and takes all the problems home with them.

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If you are to increase taxation to that level,

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Just briefly, ?80,000, people pay 45p, after ?123,000, people pay 50p.

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Diana Johnson, last word with you on this one.

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Well, look, no-one wants to stifle employment.

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Of course we want people to be in jobs.

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You know, I come from a family that had a self-employed business,

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so I know how hard people work when they are self-employed.

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But I do think, as a society, we have to make a choice about how

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we fund good public services, and actually I think

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it's the fairest way to say that, if you're earning a high income,

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then you should pay a little bit more to ensure that we can

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Let's move on, because we have got a lot of questions, and we will get

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Just to say, if you are watching, if you want to comment on anything

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you've heard from the panellists or anything you have

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heard from the audience, go on to social media,

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Facebook or Twitter, and this is the hashtag, #ge17eyl.

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East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, easier way to remember it.

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Now, our next question is from Wojciech Pisarski,

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a retired social care manager from Skegness.

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Could you tell us what you propose to do about the crisis in social

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care and the impact it's having on the NHS, keeping people

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in hospital, stopping their discharges because there is no

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care for them outside of the hospital?

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So, I completely agree with you that social care is really important.

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I think sometimes when we talk about social care, we presume it's

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all about the older generation, and actually there's

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lots of people that are needing social care at home.

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The Lib Dems have said clearly that the penny on income tax we have

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talked about just now, that would be invested

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in the NHS and social care, and that we need to bring those two

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together, because at the moment they don't work

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We need to bring the NHS and social care together.

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If you need help with your health and with York are, it shouldn't

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matter that you go one place for one thing and someone else

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You need one system that enables you to get the help that

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you need, where you need it and when you need it.

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Why have you not put a cap on the cost?

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We have said there will be a cap on the cost.

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That dementia tax, I think, is, you know...

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So, there has been an independent report that advised the Government

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about what should happen with adult social care,

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and the Lib Dems have signed up to the independent report,

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which has a cap of something like 72,000.

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Well, I think that with social care you have to look very carefully

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at what happened over the last, well, the last seven years really.

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4.6 billion has been taken away from councils

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That's the real problem in all of this, and even

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the proposals that the Tories have come up with in the last few weeks

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are not going to tackle the complete underfunding of social

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We know there's 1.2 million older people who have unmet care needs,

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and we know the thresholds have gone up for people to be

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What we need to do, I agree with Claire,

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is a more integrated approach with the NHS and local councils,

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And my party has said we would put ?8 billion in over

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That alongside the 37 billion that we've set to the NHS.

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We need to make sure that the people who need social

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care are able to get it, and that's why we have a very clear

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Yeah, and you talk about paying for it with corporation tax,

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which the gentleman over there mentioned.

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Other countries, you know, France, the United States,

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So why do your party want to put it up?

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Well, as I said in the contribution I made earlier, we are talking

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as well about income tax, and if you look at income tax around

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Europe, we are actually quite low in terms of what we ask individuals

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to pay, so I think the increases that we've talked about their

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bring us more into line with European averages.

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The problem with social care is it's all disjointed.

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It should be brought in with the NHS.

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There's thousands of bed days that we've lost per month of people that

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There's got to be legislation brought in to get people that

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are laying in the hospital beds that need social care, so legislation

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It's got to be a long-term funded project,

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We've got to bring it back together again.

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At the moment, it's just not working.

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Victoria Atkins, was this a complete bungle in

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We didn't get the messaging right, but I think the policy

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Some people might say it's the first time in history that

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a manifesto pledge was broken before an election.

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The important thing is that we are the only party that's

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come up with a sustainable long-term plan to deal with social care.

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We have tried to tackle this problem...

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The sticking plasters that we have at the moment...

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We've invested a further ?2 billion in social care,

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We have given councils the ability to charge you a little bit extra

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That's fine but it's not sustainable and it's not long-term,

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which is why the Prime Minister has tried to face up to what is one

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of the greatest challenges facing our nation.

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That's great, but of course it has implications for social care.

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So what we are proposing is that we quadruple the amount

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I may just explain, just to get the messaging right,

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Peter, you had a giggle at my expense earlier on...

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The ?23,500 is the policy at the moment.

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We are quadrupling that to ?100,000, and we are saying

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to people, you do not have to worry about your bills on a weekly

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or monthly basis, because this will be deferred until after

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you and your husband or wife passed away.

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But you're asking people to vote without telling them

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what the cap is going to be, though, aren't you?

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This has to be part of a consultation.

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This has to be part of the consultation.

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A wide-ranging public consultation that well, you know, charities

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I'm going to study there, because a lot of people want to talk.

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Let me just first of all ask Wojciech if he is

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I would like to come back to something that Victoria said,

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in answer to the previous question, about that she believes

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If you have a low-tax economy, you have poor or no services.

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You can't reconcile the one and the other.

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And we are told that we are all living longer -

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People aren't living longer - there are more people around

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because there were more people born 60, 70, 80 years ago.

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But it's a fallacy to say that everyone's are living longer.

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But I think that's pretty much accepted by the medical...

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You've got people from Norway, Sweden, France, Germany,

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who don't have to talk about having a problem

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about people living longer - they get out and care for them.

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And this country will not care for them because we don't

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I mean, we should celebrate the fact that people are living longer.

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This is one of the great things, the advances of medical science

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and the National Health Service, but it does create a problem.

:22:41.:22:43.

And one of the big things that, you know, I hope

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we are going to come to this, Peter, as Bill Clinton's adviser

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We need to have a strong economy to pay for all of these

:22:52.:22:55.

things like the NHS, like social care, that we all want

:22:56.:22:58.

All we are hearing from a number of the parties is,

:22:59.:23:05.

Labour tried taxing the death out of this country in the 1970s.

:23:06.:23:09.

Since we've reduced corporation tax in the last few years,

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the tax take has gone up in corporation tax.

:23:14.:23:17.

We need to encourage wealth creation, entrepreneurship,

:23:18.:23:19.

small and medium-sized enterprises, and I know Diana said they wouldn't

:23:20.:23:23.

get stung with the same increase in corporation tax,

:23:24.:23:26.

We need to encourage wealth creation, so we can put this money

:23:27.:23:31.

into social care and into the NHS, and have a sensible debate,

:23:32.:23:35.

as one of the other members of the audience said earlier.

:23:36.:23:38.

Stop throwing, sort of, rotten tomatoes at each other.

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And say, we all believe in the NHS, let's run it better.

:23:42.:23:45.

When we talk about social care, everyone seems to be

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I want to mention about younger people, particularly those

:23:54.:23:57.

with disabilities in our area, who are being failed

:23:58.:23:59.

by the Government and the Government cuts.

:24:00.:24:02.

Are the panel aware that there is a 12-month waiting list just

:24:03.:24:05.

to get a basic educational health care plan for young people?

:24:06.:24:10.

A four-page document and 12 months' wait for parents to try to have

:24:11.:24:14.

access to help their children in school with social care.

:24:15.:24:18.

The subject of social care is a very emotive one

:24:19.:24:27.

A lot of people talk about it, and it was on our People's Manifesto

:24:28.:24:33.

as one of the subjects that you feel very passionately about.

:24:34.:24:36.

If you want to comment on that, if you go onto Facebook or Twitter,

:24:37.:24:39.

We look forward to getting your comments on what we have heard

:24:40.:24:45.

from the panellists tonight on BBC One and also

:24:46.:24:48.

Now, our next question is from Arjun Gandhi,

:24:49.:24:52.

who is a student in Hull, and a first-time voter.

:24:53.:24:55.

I've been a lifelong Conservative myself,

:24:56.:25:04.

but I have rather been disappointed by the rhetoric coming

:25:05.:25:06.

from the Conservative establishment in wake of the Manchester attack.

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So, is there any candidate here who can promise the British

:25:10.:25:11.

people that immigration numbers will come down, and at the same time

:25:12.:25:14.

we will be having more stringent background checks for asylum seekers

:25:15.:25:17.

and people coming into our country from high-risk nations?

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Let's go quickly to the panel on this one.

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Well, I think because of the decision last year

:25:22.:25:25.

around leaving the EU, we know that we will,

:25:26.:25:27.

for the first time, have the opportunity to think again

:25:28.:25:29.

about our immigration policy in this country.

:25:30.:25:33.

Clearly we are part of the single market at the moment,

:25:34.:25:37.

so there is the free movement of labour, but when we leave,

:25:38.:25:39.

that will allow us, as a country, to decide what immigration policy

:25:40.:25:42.

Now, the Conservatives have said that they wanted to get the figures

:25:43.:25:47.

down to the tens of thousands, and that hasn't happened.

:25:48.:25:49.

I'm not a supporter of any free market.

:25:50.:25:55.

I think there should be regulation in all markets,

:25:56.:25:58.

and I think there should be regulation in the immigration

:25:59.:26:00.

So I think this is an opportunity for us.

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There's lots of talk about the Australian points system,

:26:05.:26:07.

that people seem to think would be an appropriate method for us

:26:08.:26:10.

to have in this country, but that's the debate

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we are going to be having over the next two years,

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as we decide as a country what we want to do with immigration,

:26:17.:26:19.

what our needs are, and especially in an area like East Yorkshire

:26:20.:26:22.

and North Lincolnshire, where we know that there are needs

:26:23.:26:24.

sometimes for seasonal workers to come to the area,

:26:25.:26:27.

and I think that's going to be a very interesting debate over

:26:28.:26:33.

Can you just clarify, will the freedom of movement

:26:34.:26:37.

The previous Government have said that...

:26:38.:26:41.

No, I'm not talking about the previous Government,

:26:42.:26:43.

Because it's in your manifesto, isn't it?

:26:44.:26:48.

Well, basically, the debate is going to be about what the deal

:26:49.:26:51.

Now, the Tories have said they will come out of the single

:26:52.:26:55.

As the Labour Party, we want to get the best deal we can,

:26:56.:27:01.

but I certainly acknowledge, and the party acknowledges,

:27:02.:27:03.

that immigration was one of the key issues in the referendum last year,

:27:04.:27:06.

We have to make sure that is part of the debate.

:27:07.:27:10.

But it says it will end in your manifesto, doesn't it?

:27:11.:27:13.

Well, if we come out of the single market,

:27:14.:27:15.

yeah, free movement of labour ends, yes.

:27:16.:27:17.

We pack mass migration into this country, where a city the size

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Within three years, a city the size of Birmingham

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We have to go into an Australian-style policy,

:27:30.:27:38.

and we have to know who comes in and who goes out.

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You know, a lot of these people that come in and commit these atrocities

:27:42.:27:44.

have travelled to Syria, to Iraq, to Afghanistan,

:27:45.:27:46.

for training, and then slipped back in.

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I was probably the first politician who spent five weeks in Calais

:27:49.:27:51.

in the Jungle last year, and looked at the problem there,

:27:52.:27:54.

lived amongst these people, looked at what they were doing,

:27:55.:27:58.

and how easy it was at that point to get in.

:27:59.:28:01.

British truck drivers asked me to go over there

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because they were in fear of their life of what

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was going on there, and when they were climbing

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on the back of these vehicles and getting in.

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I travelled to Brussels and I went through King George

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I travelled out there on the ferry and I travelled back on the ferry.

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And I was told by border control, morale is low, funding is low,

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there is no infrastructure there, and they are really

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This is an open door for these people, who are just coming in,

:28:27.:28:30.

We've got to stop that and we've got to know who is coming in.

:28:31.:28:35.

You need a certain amount of immigration, but you need people

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that have got the skills that we need.

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We've got enough of those people here now to do those jobs.

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We have to know who is coming in, and it's a big problem,

:28:49.:28:51.

and I believe Ukip is the only party that is committed to stopping this.

:28:52.:28:54.

Well, immigration, the message from the referendum last year

:28:55.:29:00.

was that people want to take control of immigration.

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She was Home Secretary for six years and she knows just how difficult

:29:03.:29:06.

Some people seem to give the impression there

:29:07.:29:11.

is a silver bullet to solving the issues of immigration.

:29:12.:29:14.

As Home Secretary, she failed miserably.

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But that's the point, Mike, it's that you...

:29:21.:29:24.

Please don't make promises about immigration, that it's

:29:25.:29:26.

What we want to do is to lower it to the tens of thousands.

:29:27.:29:33.

That hasn't been possible with membership of the European Union.

:29:34.:29:36.

When we come out of the European Union, we are leaving

:29:37.:29:38.

the single market and so on, and so we can take

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I'll just add this as a slight nuance.

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I represent one of the most rural constituencies in the country,

:29:48.:29:50.

in Lincolnshire, the county that feeds the country,

:29:51.:29:52.

You know, we have to be a little bit careful that we don't place

:29:53.:29:59.

the farming industry in the position where vegetables

:30:00.:30:02.

are lying unpicked in fields, because we follow Ukip's abrupt

:30:03.:30:04.

policy of just putting an end to it...

:30:05.:30:11.

It was picked before we went into the European Union.

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It will be picked again, because we will bring a visa system in.

:30:15.:30:17.

Where they come in for the season, pick the vegetables and then leave.

:30:18.:30:21.

We might come back to this in just a moment.

:30:22.:30:23.

It's not as clear-cut as others would perhaps have you believe.

:30:24.:30:29.

Claire Thomas, and then I'll come back to you,

:30:30.:30:32.

I just want to challenge the assumption of the question,

:30:33.:30:35.

and I'm sure you didn't mean this, but the assumption that

:30:36.:30:38.

immigration is the reason that terrorism happens,

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I just don't think that is the right assumption.

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Arjun, would you like to clarify that for us?

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I do quite think that immigration does play quite a role

:30:45.:30:46.

in the terrorist attacks that are happening in this country.

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It is obviously not the only reason a terrorist attack happens,

:30:50.:30:51.

but we have to be more stringent with the background checks,

:30:52.:30:54.

with people coming into our country from high-risk nations.

:30:55.:30:56.

The Prime Minister in her role as the Home Secretary has absolutely

:30:57.:31:00.

failed in bringing the immigration numbers down, so how do I end up

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Forgive me, if I may correct you on one thing,

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of course I don't want to comment on a live investigation,

:31:08.:31:09.

but we know, sadly, the murderer of last week,

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I'm not going to name him because I don't want to give him

:31:12.:31:15.

the glory, but we know he was British-born,

:31:16.:31:16.

which is why we have to treat the issue of terrorism carefully.

:31:17.:31:20.

But he travelled to Syria for training.

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We have to deal with that carefully and I just think, at the moment,

:31:24.:31:26.

it's very sensitive, but I will just make that point.

:31:27.:31:29.

As Home Secretary, she introduced ranges of measures.

:31:30.:31:35.

We closed hundreds of sham colleges that were set up simply to bring

:31:36.:31:39.

We have tackled sham marriages as well, and we have...

:31:40.:31:49.

She, as Home Secretary, kept trying different

:31:50.:31:52.

methods to keep immigration down, but we...

:31:53.:31:54.

The point of immigration, when people come to this country

:31:55.:31:57.

to work, it is because we are a very attractive country in

:31:58.:32:01.

And so that is why immigration has gone up and down over the years,

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but the key to it would be making sure that we can form our

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migration policy as we wish when we leave Europe.

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Victoria, thank you very much indeed.

:32:14.:32:14.

Our next question is sort of connected and follows on.

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How will you decide who stays and who goes after Brexit?

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It's not fair for EU migrants in Hull and East Yorkshire,

:32:28.:32:30.

who come here to work and contribute to society, to be sent

:32:31.:32:34.

Those that have come here under the EU laws are here legally,

:32:35.:32:45.

You know, those that come in the future,

:32:46.:32:48.

when the negotiations are settled, when Theresa May comes back

:32:49.:32:51.

with that piece of paper saying a deal in our time,

:32:52.:32:54.

you know, then we will know who is coming and he was going.

:32:55.:32:58.

At the moment, they are here legally, so we cannot throw them

:32:59.:33:01.

out and we would not want to throw them out.

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They are here legally, so it's all dependent on what deal

:33:04.:33:07.

The Prime Minister has made clear that negotiating the position of EU

:33:08.:33:17.

nationals in the UK and of British nationals in the rest of the EU

:33:18.:33:21.

is an absolute priority, when the Brexit negotiations

:33:22.:33:27.

After the general election, the Brexit negotiations

:33:28.:33:30.

That is why it is so critical that we have a Prime Minister

:33:31.:33:35.

who will be absolutely up to speed, and will be able to conduct those

:33:36.:33:39.

But the question was, how will you decide

:33:40.:33:42.

That will be in the hands of all of the EU leaders,

:33:43.:33:48.

I think, in fairness, there's quite a...

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There is a lot of goodwill on both sides on this issue,

:33:56.:33:57.

but we have made it clear that this must settled as a priority,

:33:58.:34:01.

as and when the negotiations start in just over two weeks' time.

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I don't know why the Government hasn't already said

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Something like 10% of our GPs are immigrants, so, you know,

:34:13.:34:21.

we've just talked about the NHS and the importance of having

:34:22.:34:24.

Actually, if we try to get rid of immigration, we put a lot

:34:25.:34:30.

We have just talked about the importance of that.

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Let's go to Diana and then we will take some comments.

:34:36.:34:38.

So, the Labour Party has been very clear that EU

:34:39.:34:40.

nationals who are currently here are welcome to stay.

:34:41.:34:43.

We think that's actually a good start to any negotiations that

:34:44.:34:47.

commence after the general election, because we are acting in good faith

:34:48.:34:51.

when we work with or negotiate with the other 27 countries,

:34:52.:34:57.

because we obviously have British nationals living in those countries,

:34:58.:35:00.

and we want to see a good deal for them.

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I couldn't actually see any mention of immigration in your manifesto.

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Well, the discussion around immigration is in the manifesto,

:35:07.:35:10.

and it's around, for instance, the undercutting of local workers.

:35:11.:35:14.

We want to make sure that there is proper enforcement

:35:15.:35:18.

action for bad employers who employ people from EU countries and don't

:35:19.:35:21.

We have made that very clear we want to stop that.

:35:22.:35:28.

We want to stop bringing over gangs of people from particular countries.

:35:29.:35:31.

We think that's wrong, where they are using

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Sorry, but it was the Labour Party that said...

:35:34.:35:37.

Peter Mandelson, one of your people, who actually said, we didn't

:35:38.:35:40.

go looking for them - we sent search parties out for them.

:35:41.:35:43.

The gentleman in the blue shirt there.

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Yeah, just a quick question on immigration.

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If all I have read is correct, I believe that, is it

:35:53.:35:57.

still 50% of all immigration to the United Kingdom is not coming

:35:58.:36:00.

from the European Union anyway, so I suppose, to answer the guy down

:36:01.:36:03.

on the front row there, the other 50% of immigrants

:36:04.:36:06.

who are coming in will get affected by the EU conversation anyway.

:36:07.:36:10.

And also, with regard to the National Health Service,

:36:11.:36:12.

it would be quite nice to have an intelligent answer

:36:13.:36:16.

to the strain on education and the National Health Service.

:36:17.:36:19.

What strain is being caused by the immigration at the moment,

:36:20.:36:22.

hence we need more immigrant doctors and teachers?

:36:23.:36:24.

I keep hearing some of the parties commenting that, you know,

:36:25.:36:31.

The present Government should show their hand before

:36:32.:36:34.

Why would you do, like one of the parties has already done,

:36:35.:36:44.

by their leader, who has already said, if we don't get a good

:36:45.:36:47.

deal, we'll come back and have a referendum?

:36:48.:36:49.

You're not going to get a good deal from Europe if we go in with that,

:36:50.:36:53.

Food is essential for our national security, and Victoria's the only

:36:54.:36:59.

We do need foreign labour within our agricultural sector.

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I think for us all to have affordable food, we need to be able

:37:09.:37:11.

But are you reassured by what you've heard?

:37:12.:37:23.

Victoria made the point that the European Union...

:37:24.:37:27.

We'll be having discussions with the European Union in 11

:37:28.:37:30.

That's perfectly fine, but, as we've heard from Europe,

:37:31.:37:33.

they are not going to decide on anything to do with

:37:34.:37:36.

migrants until well after the deal is sorted out.

:37:37.:37:38.

Final comment from the gentleman there.

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Regarding this question again, one in four doctors are migrants,

:37:44.:37:46.

Since we left Brexit, 40% of European doctors have already

:37:47.:37:51.

So all your policies about trying to have a points system and so on,

:37:52.:37:58.

there may be some merit in it, but the reality is you going to lose

:37:59.:38:01.

a lot more skilled workforce in the next two years,

:38:02.:38:04.

And Mike, you seem to be speaking for Conservatives already by saying

:38:05.:38:08.

when Theresa May comes back and signed the deal.

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You may as well move your chair over there!

:38:11.:38:15.

A lot of our policies they have pinched anyway.

:38:16.:38:19.

We either talk about migrants or immigrants,

:38:20.:38:21.

Immigrants come from Pakistan India, and I can tell you the immigrants

:38:22.:38:29.

from Pakistan India have to jump through more hoops to get into this

:38:30.:38:32.

country that are migrants from Eastern Europe.

:38:33.:38:36.

We want to make a level playing field for everybody around the world

:38:37.:38:42.

to come to this country with the skills that we want.

:38:43.:38:44.

Doctors, nurses come to this country with the skills that we need.

:38:45.:38:48.

A level playing field, that's what we are asking for.

:38:49.:38:50.

Of course, there are some parts of country where you're not actually

:38:51.:38:53.

putting up a candidate because you know the Conservatives

:38:54.:38:55.

We're not putting up a candidate because we are targeting seats.

:38:56.:39:00.

Until I realised you don't support me.

:39:01.:39:10.

This is Bob Callison, who is from Cleethorpes.

:39:11.:39:19.

He owns a construction company and runs a small hotel.

:39:20.:39:21.

How do you propose to get the best deal for Britain

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By having Theresa May as our Prime Minister.

:39:28.:39:43.

All joking apart, the negotiations start 11 days after the general

:39:44.:39:48.

election, and I'm not going to be personal about Jeremy Corbyn, he's

:39:49.:39:54.

devoted his life to public surface, but the fact that Diana

:39:55.:39:58.

and many of her colleagues stepped down, did the honourable thing,

:39:59.:40:03.

in my view, and resigned from the shadow ministerial team

:40:04.:40:07.

last summer because they felt Jeremy Corbyn wasn't up to the job

:40:08.:40:11.

of leading the Labour Party I think leaves very great concerns

:40:12.:40:16.

about whether or not he's capable of being a good Prime Minister.

:40:17.:40:21.

Let's go through the panel really quickly on this one and then we've

:40:22.:40:24.

I think the idea that Theresa May is going to get us the best deal

:40:25.:40:36.

is just laughable given that she's ready just change the mind about

:40:37.:40:39.

She's negotiated on a European level as Home Secretary.

:40:40.:40:43.

Everybody said, oh, no, you'll never manage to get it negotiated,

:40:44.:40:50.

you'll never get 28 member states to agree.

:40:51.:40:52.

She did, and it's one of the key tributes in keeping us safe.

:40:53.:40:56.

I think the idea that Theresa May is going to be this strong

:40:57.:41:00.

and stable character, she is actually weak and wobbly

:41:01.:41:02.

So I want to make sure that when the deal is being negotiated

:41:03.:41:06.

around Brexit, this part of the country is not left out

:41:07.:41:09.

because often, I have to say, over the last seven years,

:41:10.:41:12.

the Liberal Democrats and the Tories have forgotten

:41:13.:41:14.

So I want to make sure that whoever is representing the constituencies

:41:15.:41:20.

in this area stands up for the industries round here

:41:21.:41:22.

and Siemens and the investment they've made and renewables,

:41:23.:41:26.

because that's really big important industry for us.

:41:27.:41:33.

It is no deal better than a bad deal? No deal would be dreadful. As

:41:34.:41:48.

a party, we believe if we repealed the communities act, they would be

:41:49.:41:53.

out straightaway. We are negotiating and the Armitt dictating to us our

:41:54.:41:57.

terms. I sit on committees in Brussels and they do not want us to

:41:58.:42:02.

leave. 12% of the funding comes from this country, that is a huge hole

:42:03.:42:06.

they have got to fill. They do not want us to leave. Article 50 is

:42:07.:42:16.

nothing more than a delaying tactic. Repeal the 72 communities act and

:42:17.:42:22.

come out straightaway. Theresa May took nine months to revoke Article

:42:23.:42:28.

50. I did say quickly. Fabulous audience and panel. Thank you very

:42:29.:42:37.

much indeed. Thanks to the audience. The debate continues until election

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day. If you want to go on to Twitter or Facebook and send your messages,

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tweets and texts with your comments, we would love to hear from you.

:42:51.:43:02.

Thank you very much indeed for watching. See you soon. Good night.

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Very disappointing to hear Ukip and conservatives will only commit small

:43:16.:43:26.

amount. What we do need is qualified people. We will never turn our backs

:43:27.:43:32.

on doctors and nurses. What we have to do is control it. There needs to

:43:33.:43:36.

be a policy to bring people in who will do specific jobs in this

:43:37.:43:42.

country that we need. But not for people just coming willy-nilly. That

:43:43.:43:46.

was the point that the panellists were trying to come across with but

:43:47.:43:50.

was not clear. I was disappointed with some of the answers. Some were

:43:51.:43:55.

vague. Good questions were asked but on a lot of issues, it was very

:43:56.:43:57.

wishy-washy. Hear the arguments

:43:58.:44:03.

from the politicians themselves.

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