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Across east Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, cultural events | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
are taking place that are putting this region well and truly | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
on the map, and the political map of the region could be | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
about to change too, with the vote on June the 8th. | :00:29. | :00:30. | |
There's a buzz about this place, Hull, in particular, | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
International artists are making the city their home, | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
and new work celebrating the community, the history | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
and the future of Hull have all been in the national spotlight. | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
As we prepare to go to the polls again in the general election, | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
the decisions made by voters here and across east Yorkshire | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
and Lincolnshire will help to shape the political landscape | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
of the region and country for the next five years. | :00:51. | :01:03. | |
Good evening, and welcome to a special Look North | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
general election debate from St Mary's College in Hull. | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
Tonight we're joined by an audience of voters from across east | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, who will be putting their | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
They are Victoria Atkins for the Conservatives, | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
standing in Louth and Horncastle, Claire Thomas for the Liberal | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
Democrats, standing in Hull for Hull West and Hessle, | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
Diana Johnson for Labour, also standing in this city | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
for the Hull North constituency, and Mike Hookem standing | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
Now, you can follow the debate as we go along. | :01:36. | :01:53. | |
If you want to comment on any of the remarks that you've heard | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
made by either our guests or by our audience, then | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
just go to social media, either Facebook or Twitter. | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
We look forward to reading all of your comments as we go along. | :02:04. | :02:17. | |
So let's have our first question from a GP in Hull. | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
I want to ask you, how will you seek funding for the NHS | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
so we have a future health care system that lasts? | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
The National Health Service is absolutely critical | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
to our country, to each of us as individuals, and I thank you, | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
One of the things we've got to do is to make sure | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
that we have a sustainable plan for the NHS going forward, | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
and that is why, in 2015, the Conservatives asked | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
the professionals in the NHS for the money they wanted | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
We are giving the NHS that money and we are committing a further | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
?8 billion over the next five-year Parliament. | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
Now, what we need to do is to make sure that that money is spent | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
as effectively as possible, and I know that there are issues, | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
for example, GP waiting times, certainly in my part of | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
We've got to make sure that we can recruit more doctors, more nurses | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
and that they are working with the best technologies | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
we have available so that conditions such as cancer, | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
survival rates of cancer continue to improve, | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
as they have done over the last few years. | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
Are you going to fund this by increasing income taxes | :03:35. | :03:36. | |
or National Insurance because the guaranteed not to do | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
What is absolutely key to finding the NHS and all of the public | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
services that we care about is a strong economy | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
because the foundations of strong economy, more people in work, | :03:48. | :03:49. | |
as there are at the moment, we have the highest employment | :03:50. | :03:58. | |
rate for many years now, more people paying taxes, fair rates | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
of tax, that is what helps fund the NHS and all the things | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
We have to support the economy to make sure it's | :04:04. | :04:12. | |
The Conservatives are a low tax party by nature, | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
and it's one of the reasons I am a Conservative, but it's the economy | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
What Victoria's just said obviously doesn't allow | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
for the fact where the money's going to come from. | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
The Lib Dems have been very clear that we would put a penny on income | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
tax and ring fence that money to pay for investment in the | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
And I think that anybody that tries to say, we are going to invest | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
in the NHS, we are going to invest in social care, but can't say | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
where the money is coming from is just fooling us because this | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
The NHS needs that extra funding, and we have to be clear that that | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
funding doesn't come out of nowhere, so it's right that we should put | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
It's fair for everybody to pay a penny extra on our income tax | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
in order to fund the NHS, that funding that's | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
But your leader has said that the Conservatives | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
are going to win, and he said that there will be no coalition | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
with any other party, so why would anybody vote | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
Because we are going to be the ones that are out there fighting | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
for the NHS and fighting for this extra penny in income tax. | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
At the moment, we've got a situation where the Conservatives | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
are doing what they like, and they know they are not | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
going to invest in the NHS and in social care, we know | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
that they are not going to put up taxes in order to do that. | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
We don't know where the money's going to come from. | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
Their manifesto doesn't say where the money's going to come | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
from this investment but, to be fair, Labour are not providing | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
that opposition to stand up for our NHS either and, | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
actually, there is no solution being given by anybody | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
We are saying, actually, that penny on income tax to pay for it, | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
we are being honest about the fact that there isn't enough money, | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
and this is where we would bring the money from. | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
To answer the question directly, the Labour Party has said | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
that we want to increase the rate of tax for people who earn | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
over ?80,000 per year to 45p in the pound, | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
and for those earning over ?125,000, we want to put it up | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
We also want to see corporation tax go up so big companies are paying | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
a fair share into paying for services like the NHS. | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
So I think we've got a very clear way of saying how | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
It certainly seems to me there are issues about staffing in the NHS. | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
We are here in Hull, we have the Hull York Medical School. | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
I certainly want to see more GP and doctor training places | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
being given to Hull York Medical School. | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
And also, one of the other things which I think is a disgrace | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
that the Conservatives have done in government is to take away | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
the nurse bursaries to stop encouraging people to go | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
Let's take a quick question from the gentleman there in the blue | :06:57. | :07:04. | |
You had your chance in 2010 when you were in coalition | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
with the government, and you never stuck | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
to your promises then, so why would we believe you now? | :07:11. | :07:17. | |
Gentleman in the checked shirt behind. | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
I think one of the interesting things said there is that, | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
particularly the targets from the Labour Party, | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
talking about big businesses paying for increasing tax in parts | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
of their manifesto, do you actually have a defined | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
statistic for what you define as a big business? | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
Because I think it very interesting to say that you're going to increase | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
corporation tax in order to fund things like this, but there are also | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
lots of small and medium businesses who this would particularly | :07:41. | :07:42. | |
negatively affect, and I think that could be very dangerous. | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
I'll come back to Diana Johnson in a moment. | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
Firstly, as a party, we are fully committed to the NHS | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
And we would fund the NHS through taking money back | :07:55. | :08:02. | |
from the foreign aid budget, which is at ?14 billion | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
We would take ?9 billion back out and we would put that into the NHS. | :08:06. | :08:13. | |
We need more doctors, we need more nurses. | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
We have grade A students that are not allowed to go | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
There's a cap at the moment at ?7500. | :08:19. | :08:26. | |
That's got to be raised to somewhere like ?10,000. | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
We need more front-line staff and we need to put the money in, | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
and that money's got to come from the foreign aid budget. | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
It's got to be charity begins at home. | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
We've got to put that money into the NHS. | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
We might come back to that later in the programme. | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
Diana Johnson, why should a headteacher or a senior policeman | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
We have an income tax system that means, if you earn more, | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
you pay a bit more, and I think a progressive party, | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
like the Labour Party, believes that, if you're earning | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
When you think the average wage in Hull is about ?20,000, | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
it's fair that those people pay a bit more. | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
Can I just respond to the issue about the corporation tax? | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
Because I think that gentleman's absolutely right. | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
We need to make sure that we support and encourage small businesses, | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
and we don't want to see them having the same high rate of corporation | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
tax is big businesses JD Sports or Amazon or whoever. | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
So I think there would have to be some accommodation to make sure | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
And can I say one other thing about the foreign aid budget? | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
Because I think we need to be clear that we spend nine times | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
as much on the NHS as we do on the foreign aid budget. | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
So if you're actually looking at the figures, | :09:42. | :09:50. | |
it's not going to put that much into the NHS. | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
I'd rather see it going to the NHS than go to China, North Korea | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
Mike Hookem, it was only last year that your leader was saying he wants | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
to privatise the NHS, he'd like to see a privatised NHS! | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
Before you come here, if you do a bit of research, | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
that was actually a hustingss back in 2009 when he said | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
I've got family members that work in the NHS. | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
We have to start looking at what we are paying for. | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
One of the questions which comes up time and time again in e-mails | :10:32. | :10:52. | |
to me just recently is, what is the actual | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
Because every one of the parties you've got sat here today have | :10:55. | :11:08. | |
all campaigned vigorously to stay within the European Union. | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
David Cameron spent ?9.3 million of our money to send | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
But you've got what you set out to do, haven't you? | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
Ukip is there to make sure that the Brexit that we get | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
is the Brexit that we voted for, and all of these parties that you've | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
Theresa May has already started backsliding on social | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
care, on the fisheries, and she will betray you, | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
as Ted Heath betrayed the fishing industries in 73. | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
Gentleman in the blue shirt at the back. | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
Just out of interest, as someone who works, | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
Isn't that's what's supposed to pay for the National Health Service | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
as well as the employee's contribution to the | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
We all contribute an awful lot to a health service | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
that all of us love, regardless of colour, | :11:57. | :11:58. | |
This debate has been going on year after year after year, | :11:59. | :12:06. | |
Every party is trying their hardest to actually sort out a solution | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
Shouldn't we have a cross-party approach to this? | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
And actually work out how to look after the National Health Service | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
Two more quick quotes, and then we'll move on to the next question. | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
Lady at the back in the beige cardigan, I think it is. | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
You've all said that you're going to pour money into the NHS. | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
How do you actually propose to get the GPs and the health care workers | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
to come to this part of the country to do the job? | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
Because we are so short of those sort of people to come to this area. | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
In Lincolnshire, particularly in the rural areas of Lincolnshire, | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
we do have difficulties recruiting GPs and professionals to this | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
I do everything I can to sell Lincolnshire. | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
If you're a medical professional, please come to Lincolnshire | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
But one of the things that Lincolnshire County Council has done | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
is to introduce a ?20,000 golden hello to new GPs | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
And those sorts of initiatives, as well as speaking up for the local | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
area, that I hope will attract more professionals into the county | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
Final comment from this gentleman in the front in the smart suits. | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
Peter, you have four wonderful candidates there, I'm sure. | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
You are all vying for people's votes this evening as well. | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
There are probably people in this audience that don't really | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
know which way to vote on the 8th of June. | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
You were asked question, how you would fund it. | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
You said you would put income tax up by 1p in the pound. | :13:46. | :13:54. | |
But your leader has said it would be significantly more. | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
You, Diana, and the Labour government, if you were | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
in government, would increase tax significantly. | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
I've been self-employed for 34 years. | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
?80,000 is a lot of money compared to ?20,000 for a person | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
who's self-employed, taking all the risks. | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
So what is the point that you're making? | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
?80,000 is not a lot of money for somebody who works 60-80 hours | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
a week and takes all the problems home with them. | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
If you are to increase taxation to that level, | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
Just briefly, ?80,000, people pay 45p, after ?123,000, people pay 50p. | :14:30. | :14:43. | |
Diana Johnson, last word with you on this one. | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
Well, look, no-one wants to stifle employment. | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
Of course we want people to be in jobs. | :14:49. | :14:50. | |
You know, I come from a family that had a self-employed business, | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
so I know how hard people work when they are self-employed. | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
But I do think, as a society, we have to make a choice about how | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
we fund good public services, and actually I think | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
it's the fairest way to say that, if you're earning a high income, | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
then you should pay a little bit more to ensure that we can | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
Let's move on, because we have got a lot of questions, and we will get | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
Just to say, if you are watching, if you want to comment on anything | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
you've heard from the panellists or anything you have | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
heard from the audience, go on to social media, | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
Facebook or Twitter, and this is the hashtag, #ge17eyl. | :15:24. | :15:33. | |
East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, easier way to remember it. | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
Now, our next question is from Wojciech Pisarski, | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
a retired social care manager from Skegness. | :15:40. | :15:41. | |
Could you tell us what you propose to do about the crisis in social | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
care and the impact it's having on the NHS, keeping people | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
in hospital, stopping their discharges because there is no | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
care for them outside of the hospital? | :15:57. | :16:04. | |
So, I completely agree with you that social care is really important. | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
I think sometimes when we talk about social care, we presume it's | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
all about the older generation, and actually there's | :16:13. | :16:14. | |
lots of people that are needing social care at home. | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
The Lib Dems have said clearly that the penny on income tax we have | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
talked about just now, that would be invested | :16:23. | :16:24. | |
in the NHS and social care, and that we need to bring those two | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
together, because at the moment they don't work | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
We need to bring the NHS and social care together. | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
If you need help with your health and with York are, it shouldn't | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
matter that you go one place for one thing and someone else | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
You need one system that enables you to get the help that | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
you need, where you need it and when you need it. | :16:47. | :16:49. | |
Why have you not put a cap on the cost? | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
We have said there will be a cap on the cost. | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
That dementia tax, I think, is, you know... | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
So, there has been an independent report that advised the Government | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
about what should happen with adult social care, | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
and the Lib Dems have signed up to the independent report, | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
which has a cap of something like 72,000. | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
Well, I think that with social care you have to look very carefully | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
at what happened over the last, well, the last seven years really. | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
4.6 billion has been taken away from councils | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
That's the real problem in all of this, and even | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
the proposals that the Tories have come up with in the last few weeks | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
are not going to tackle the complete underfunding of social | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
We know there's 1.2 million older people who have unmet care needs, | :17:40. | :17:48. | |
and we know the thresholds have gone up for people to be | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
What we need to do, I agree with Claire, | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
is a more integrated approach with the NHS and local councils, | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
And my party has said we would put ?8 billion in over | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
That alongside the 37 billion that we've set to the NHS. | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
We need to make sure that the people who need social | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
care are able to get it, and that's why we have a very clear | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
Yeah, and you talk about paying for it with corporation tax, | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
which the gentleman over there mentioned. | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
Other countries, you know, France, the United States, | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
So why do your party want to put it up? | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
Well, as I said in the contribution I made earlier, we are talking | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
as well about income tax, and if you look at income tax around | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
Europe, we are actually quite low in terms of what we ask individuals | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
to pay, so I think the increases that we've talked about their | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
bring us more into line with European averages. | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
The problem with social care is it's all disjointed. | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
It should be brought in with the NHS. | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
There's thousands of bed days that we've lost per month of people that | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
There's got to be legislation brought in to get people that | :19:08. | :19:16. | |
are laying in the hospital beds that need social care, so legislation | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
It's got to be a long-term funded project, | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
We've got to bring it back together again. | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
At the moment, it's just not working. | :19:29. | :19:30. | |
Victoria Atkins, was this a complete bungle in | :19:31. | :19:32. | |
We didn't get the messaging right, but I think the policy | :19:33. | :19:40. | |
Some people might say it's the first time in history that | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
a manifesto pledge was broken before an election. | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
The important thing is that we are the only party that's | :19:51. | :20:00. | |
come up with a sustainable long-term plan to deal with social care. | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
We have tried to tackle this problem... | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
The sticking plasters that we have at the moment... | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
We've invested a further ?2 billion in social care, | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
We have given councils the ability to charge you a little bit extra | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
That's fine but it's not sustainable and it's not long-term, | :20:19. | :20:25. | |
which is why the Prime Minister has tried to face up to what is one | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
of the greatest challenges facing our nation. | :20:29. | :20:30. | |
That's great, but of course it has implications for social care. | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
So what we are proposing is that we quadruple the amount | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
I may just explain, just to get the messaging right, | :20:38. | :20:48. | |
Peter, you had a giggle at my expense earlier on... | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
The ?23,500 is the policy at the moment. | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
We are quadrupling that to ?100,000, and we are saying | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
to people, you do not have to worry about your bills on a weekly | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
or monthly basis, because this will be deferred until after | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
you and your husband or wife passed away. | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
But you're asking people to vote without telling them | :21:10. | :21:11. | |
what the cap is going to be, though, aren't you? | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
This has to be part of a consultation. | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
This has to be part of the consultation. | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
A wide-ranging public consultation that well, you know, charities | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
I'm going to study there, because a lot of people want to talk. | :21:25. | :21:33. | |
Let me just first of all ask Wojciech if he is | :21:34. | :21:35. | |
I would like to come back to something that Victoria said, | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
in answer to the previous question, about that she believes | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
If you have a low-tax economy, you have poor or no services. | :21:44. | :21:51. | |
You can't reconcile the one and the other. | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
And we are told that we are all living longer - | :21:55. | :21:56. | |
People aren't living longer - there are more people around | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
because there were more people born 60, 70, 80 years ago. | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
But it's a fallacy to say that everyone's are living longer. | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
But I think that's pretty much accepted by the medical... | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
You've got people from Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
who don't have to talk about having a problem | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
about people living longer - they get out and care for them. | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
And this country will not care for them because we don't | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
I mean, we should celebrate the fact that people are living longer. | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
This is one of the great things, the advances of medical science | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
and the National Health Service, but it does create a problem. | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
And one of the big things that, you know, I hope | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
we are going to come to this, Peter, as Bill Clinton's adviser | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
We need to have a strong economy to pay for all of these | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
things like the NHS, like social care, that we all want | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
All we are hearing from a number of the parties is, | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
Labour tried taxing the death out of this country in the 1970s. | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
Since we've reduced corporation tax in the last few years, | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
the tax take has gone up in corporation tax. | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
We need to encourage wealth creation, entrepreneurship, | :23:18. | :23:19. | |
small and medium-sized enterprises, and I know Diana said they wouldn't | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
get stung with the same increase in corporation tax, | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
We need to encourage wealth creation, so we can put this money | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
into social care and into the NHS, and have a sensible debate, | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
as one of the other members of the audience said earlier. | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
Stop throwing, sort of, rotten tomatoes at each other. | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
And say, we all believe in the NHS, let's run it better. | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
When we talk about social care, everyone seems to be | :23:46. | :23:53. | |
I want to mention about younger people, particularly those | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
with disabilities in our area, who are being failed | :23:58. | :23:59. | |
by the Government and the Government cuts. | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
Are the panel aware that there is a 12-month waiting list just | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
to get a basic educational health care plan for young people? | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
A four-page document and 12 months' wait for parents to try to have | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
access to help their children in school with social care. | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
The subject of social care is a very emotive one | :24:19. | :24:27. | |
A lot of people talk about it, and it was on our People's Manifesto | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
as one of the subjects that you feel very passionately about. | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
If you want to comment on that, if you go onto Facebook or Twitter, | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
We look forward to getting your comments on what we have heard | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
from the panellists tonight on BBC One and also | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
Now, our next question is from Arjun Gandhi, | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
who is a student in Hull, and a first-time voter. | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
I've been a lifelong Conservative myself, | :24:56. | :25:04. | |
but I have rather been disappointed by the rhetoric coming | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
from the Conservative establishment in wake of the Manchester attack. | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
So, is there any candidate here who can promise the British | :25:10. | :25:11. | |
people that immigration numbers will come down, and at the same time | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
we will be having more stringent background checks for asylum seekers | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
and people coming into our country from high-risk nations? | :25:18. | :25:19. | |
Let's go quickly to the panel on this one. | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
Well, I think because of the decision last year | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
around leaving the EU, we know that we will, | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
for the first time, have the opportunity to think again | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
about our immigration policy in this country. | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
Clearly we are part of the single market at the moment, | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
so there is the free movement of labour, but when we leave, | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
that will allow us, as a country, to decide what immigration policy | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
Now, the Conservatives have said that they wanted to get the figures | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
down to the tens of thousands, and that hasn't happened. | :25:48. | :25:49. | |
I'm not a supporter of any free market. | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
I think there should be regulation in all markets, | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
and I think there should be regulation in the immigration | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
So I think this is an opportunity for us. | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
There's lots of talk about the Australian points system, | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
that people seem to think would be an appropriate method for us | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
to have in this country, but that's the debate | :26:11. | :26:12. | |
we are going to be having over the next two years, | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
as we decide as a country what we want to do with immigration, | :26:17. | :26:19. | |
what our needs are, and especially in an area like East Yorkshire | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
and North Lincolnshire, where we know that there are needs | :26:23. | :26:24. | |
sometimes for seasonal workers to come to the area, | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
and I think that's going to be a very interesting debate over | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
Can you just clarify, will the freedom of movement | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
The previous Government have said that... | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
No, I'm not talking about the previous Government, | :26:42. | :26:43. | |
Because it's in your manifesto, isn't it? | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
Well, basically, the debate is going to be about what the deal | :26:49. | :26:51. | |
Now, the Tories have said they will come out of the single | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
As the Labour Party, we want to get the best deal we can, | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
but I certainly acknowledge, and the party acknowledges, | :27:02. | :27:03. | |
that immigration was one of the key issues in the referendum last year, | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
We have to make sure that is part of the debate. | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
But it says it will end in your manifesto, doesn't it? | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
Well, if we come out of the single market, | :27:14. | :27:15. | |
yeah, free movement of labour ends, yes. | :27:16. | :27:17. | |
We pack mass migration into this country, where a city the size | :27:18. | :27:25. | |
Within three years, a city the size of Birmingham | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
We have to go into an Australian-style policy, | :27:30. | :27:38. | |
and we have to know who comes in and who goes out. | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
You know, a lot of these people that come in and commit these atrocities | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
have travelled to Syria, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, | :27:45. | :27:46. | |
for training, and then slipped back in. | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
I was probably the first politician who spent five weeks in Calais | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
in the Jungle last year, and looked at the problem there, | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
lived amongst these people, looked at what they were doing, | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
and how easy it was at that point to get in. | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
British truck drivers asked me to go over there | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
because they were in fear of their life of what | :28:05. | :28:06. | |
was going on there, and when they were climbing | :28:07. | :28:08. | |
on the back of these vehicles and getting in. | :28:09. | :28:10. | |
I travelled to Brussels and I went through King George | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
I travelled out there on the ferry and I travelled back on the ferry. | :28:14. | :28:20. | |
And I was told by border control, morale is low, funding is low, | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
there is no infrastructure there, and they are really | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
This is an open door for these people, who are just coming in, | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
We've got to stop that and we've got to know who is coming in. | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
You need a certain amount of immigration, but you need people | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
that have got the skills that we need. | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
We've got enough of those people here now to do those jobs. | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
We have to know who is coming in, and it's a big problem, | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
and I believe Ukip is the only party that is committed to stopping this. | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
Well, immigration, the message from the referendum last year | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
was that people want to take control of immigration. | :29:01. | :29:02. | |
She was Home Secretary for six years and she knows just how difficult | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
Some people seem to give the impression there | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
is a silver bullet to solving the issues of immigration. | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
As Home Secretary, she failed miserably. | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
But that's the point, Mike, it's that you... | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
Please don't make promises about immigration, that it's | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
What we want to do is to lower it to the tens of thousands. | :29:27. | :29:33. | |
That hasn't been possible with membership of the European Union. | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
When we come out of the European Union, we are leaving | :29:37. | :29:38. | |
the single market and so on, and so we can take | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
I'll just add this as a slight nuance. | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
I represent one of the most rural constituencies in the country, | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
in Lincolnshire, the county that feeds the country, | :29:51. | :29:52. | |
You know, we have to be a little bit careful that we don't place | :29:53. | :29:59. | |
the farming industry in the position where vegetables | :30:00. | :30:02. | |
are lying unpicked in fields, because we follow Ukip's abrupt | :30:03. | :30:04. | |
policy of just putting an end to it... | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
It was picked before we went into the European Union. | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
It will be picked again, because we will bring a visa system in. | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
Where they come in for the season, pick the vegetables and then leave. | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
We might come back to this in just a moment. | :30:22. | :30:23. | |
It's not as clear-cut as others would perhaps have you believe. | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
Claire Thomas, and then I'll come back to you, | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
I just want to challenge the assumption of the question, | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
and I'm sure you didn't mean this, but the assumption that | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
immigration is the reason that terrorism happens, | :30:39. | :30:39. | |
I just don't think that is the right assumption. | :30:40. | :30:41. | |
Arjun, would you like to clarify that for us? | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
I do quite think that immigration does play quite a role | :30:45. | :30:46. | |
in the terrorist attacks that are happening in this country. | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
It is obviously not the only reason a terrorist attack happens, | :30:50. | :30:51. | |
but we have to be more stringent with the background checks, | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
with people coming into our country from high-risk nations. | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
The Prime Minister in her role as the Home Secretary has absolutely | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
failed in bringing the immigration numbers down, so how do I end up | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
Forgive me, if I may correct you on one thing, | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
of course I don't want to comment on a live investigation, | :31:08. | :31:09. | |
but we know, sadly, the murderer of last week, | :31:10. | :31:11. | |
I'm not going to name him because I don't want to give him | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
the glory, but we know he was British-born, | :31:16. | :31:16. | |
which is why we have to treat the issue of terrorism carefully. | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
But he travelled to Syria for training. | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
We have to deal with that carefully and I just think, at the moment, | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
it's very sensitive, but I will just make that point. | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
As Home Secretary, she introduced ranges of measures. | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
We closed hundreds of sham colleges that were set up simply to bring | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
We have tackled sham marriages as well, and we have... | :31:40. | :31:49. | |
She, as Home Secretary, kept trying different | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
methods to keep immigration down, but we... | :31:53. | :31:54. | |
The point of immigration, when people come to this country | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
to work, it is because we are a very attractive country in | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
And so that is why immigration has gone up and down over the years, | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
but the key to it would be making sure that we can form our | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
migration policy as we wish when we leave Europe. | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
Victoria, thank you very much indeed. | :32:14. | :32:14. | |
Our next question is sort of connected and follows on. | :32:15. | :32:21. | |
How will you decide who stays and who goes after Brexit? | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
It's not fair for EU migrants in Hull and East Yorkshire, | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
who come here to work and contribute to society, to be sent | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
Those that have come here under the EU laws are here legally, | :32:35. | :32:45. | |
You know, those that come in the future, | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
when the negotiations are settled, when Theresa May comes back | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
with that piece of paper saying a deal in our time, | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
you know, then we will know who is coming and he was going. | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
At the moment, they are here legally, so we cannot throw them | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
out and we would not want to throw them out. | :33:02. | :33:03. | |
They are here legally, so it's all dependent on what deal | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
The Prime Minister has made clear that negotiating the position of EU | :33:08. | :33:17. | |
nationals in the UK and of British nationals in the rest of the EU | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
is an absolute priority, when the Brexit negotiations | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
After the general election, the Brexit negotiations | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
That is why it is so critical that we have a Prime Minister | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
who will be absolutely up to speed, and will be able to conduct those | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
But the question was, how will you decide | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
That will be in the hands of all of the EU leaders, | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
I think, in fairness, there's quite a... | :33:49. | :33:55. | |
There is a lot of goodwill on both sides on this issue, | :33:56. | :33:57. | |
but we have made it clear that this must settled as a priority, | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
as and when the negotiations start in just over two weeks' time. | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
I don't know why the Government hasn't already said | :34:05. | :34:12. | |
Something like 10% of our GPs are immigrants, so, you know, | :34:13. | :34:21. | |
we've just talked about the NHS and the importance of having | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
Actually, if we try to get rid of immigration, we put a lot | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
We have just talked about the importance of that. | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
Let's go to Diana and then we will take some comments. | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
So, the Labour Party has been very clear that EU | :34:39. | :34:40. | |
nationals who are currently here are welcome to stay. | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
We think that's actually a good start to any negotiations that | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
commence after the general election, because we are acting in good faith | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
when we work with or negotiate with the other 27 countries, | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
because we obviously have British nationals living in those countries, | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
and we want to see a good deal for them. | :35:01. | :35:02. | |
I couldn't actually see any mention of immigration in your manifesto. | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
Well, the discussion around immigration is in the manifesto, | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
and it's around, for instance, the undercutting of local workers. | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
We want to make sure that there is proper enforcement | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
action for bad employers who employ people from EU countries and don't | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
We have made that very clear we want to stop that. | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
We want to stop bringing over gangs of people from particular countries. | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
We think that's wrong, where they are using | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
Sorry, but it was the Labour Party that said... | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
Peter Mandelson, one of your people, who actually said, we didn't | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
go looking for them - we sent search parties out for them. | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
The gentleman in the blue shirt there. | :35:44. | :35:50. | |
Yeah, just a quick question on immigration. | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
If all I have read is correct, I believe that, is it | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
still 50% of all immigration to the United Kingdom is not coming | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
from the European Union anyway, so I suppose, to answer the guy down | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
on the front row there, the other 50% of immigrants | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
who are coming in will get affected by the EU conversation anyway. | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
And also, with regard to the National Health Service, | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
it would be quite nice to have an intelligent answer | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
to the strain on education and the National Health Service. | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
What strain is being caused by the immigration at the moment, | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
hence we need more immigrant doctors and teachers? | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
I keep hearing some of the parties commenting that, you know, | :36:25. | :36:31. | |
The present Government should show their hand before | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
Why would you do, like one of the parties has already done, | :36:35. | :36:44. | |
by their leader, who has already said, if we don't get a good | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
deal, we'll come back and have a referendum? | :36:48. | :36:49. | |
You're not going to get a good deal from Europe if we go in with that, | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
Food is essential for our national security, and Victoria's the only | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
We do need foreign labour within our agricultural sector. | :37:00. | :37:08. | |
I think for us all to have affordable food, we need to be able | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
But are you reassured by what you've heard? | :37:12. | :37:23. | |
Victoria made the point that the European Union... | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
We'll be having discussions with the European Union in 11 | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
That's perfectly fine, but, as we've heard from Europe, | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
they are not going to decide on anything to do with | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
migrants until well after the deal is sorted out. | :37:37. | :37:38. | |
Final comment from the gentleman there. | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
Regarding this question again, one in four doctors are migrants, | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
Since we left Brexit, 40% of European doctors have already | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
So all your policies about trying to have a points system and so on, | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
there may be some merit in it, but the reality is you going to lose | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
a lot more skilled workforce in the next two years, | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
And Mike, you seem to be speaking for Conservatives already by saying | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
when Theresa May comes back and signed the deal. | :38:09. | :38:10. | |
You may as well move your chair over there! | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
A lot of our policies they have pinched anyway. | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
We either talk about migrants or immigrants, | :38:20. | :38:21. | |
Immigrants come from Pakistan India, and I can tell you the immigrants | :38:22. | :38:29. | |
from Pakistan India have to jump through more hoops to get into this | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
country that are migrants from Eastern Europe. | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
We want to make a level playing field for everybody around the world | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
to come to this country with the skills that we want. | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
Doctors, nurses come to this country with the skills that we need. | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
A level playing field, that's what we are asking for. | :38:49. | :38:50. | |
Of course, there are some parts of country where you're not actually | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
putting up a candidate because you know the Conservatives | :38:54. | :38:55. | |
We're not putting up a candidate because we are targeting seats. | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
Until I realised you don't support me. | :39:01. | :39:10. | |
This is Bob Callison, who is from Cleethorpes. | :39:11. | :39:19. | |
He owns a construction company and runs a small hotel. | :39:20. | :39:21. | |
How do you propose to get the best deal for Britain | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
By having Theresa May as our Prime Minister. | :39:28. | :39:43. | |
All joking apart, the negotiations start 11 days after the general | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
election, and I'm not going to be personal about Jeremy Corbyn, he's | :39:49. | :39:54. | |
devoted his life to public surface, but the fact that Diana | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
and many of her colleagues stepped down, did the honourable thing, | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
in my view, and resigned from the shadow ministerial team | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
last summer because they felt Jeremy Corbyn wasn't up to the job | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
of leading the Labour Party I think leaves very great concerns | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
about whether or not he's capable of being a good Prime Minister. | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
Let's go through the panel really quickly on this one and then we've | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
I think the idea that Theresa May is going to get us the best deal | :40:25. | :40:36. | |
is just laughable given that she's ready just change the mind about | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
She's negotiated on a European level as Home Secretary. | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
Everybody said, oh, no, you'll never manage to get it negotiated, | :40:44. | :40:50. | |
you'll never get 28 member states to agree. | :40:51. | :40:52. | |
She did, and it's one of the key tributes in keeping us safe. | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
I think the idea that Theresa May is going to be this strong | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
and stable character, she is actually weak and wobbly | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
So I want to make sure that when the deal is being negotiated | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
around Brexit, this part of the country is not left out | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
because often, I have to say, over the last seven years, | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
the Liberal Democrats and the Tories have forgotten | :41:13. | :41:14. | |
So I want to make sure that whoever is representing the constituencies | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
in this area stands up for the industries round here | :41:21. | :41:22. | |
and Siemens and the investment they've made and renewables, | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
because that's really big important industry for us. | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
It is no deal better than a bad deal? No deal would be dreadful. As | :41:34. | :41:48. | |
a party, we believe if we repealed the communities act, they would be | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
out straightaway. We are negotiating and the Armitt dictating to us our | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
terms. I sit on committees in Brussels and they do not want us to | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
leave. 12% of the funding comes from this country, that is a huge hole | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
they have got to fill. They do not want us to leave. Article 50 is | :42:07. | :42:16. | |
nothing more than a delaying tactic. Repeal the 72 communities act and | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
come out straightaway. Theresa May took nine months to revoke Article | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
50. I did say quickly. Fabulous audience and panel. Thank you very | :42:29. | :42:37. | |
much indeed. Thanks to the audience. The debate continues until election | :42:38. | :42:45. | |
day. If you want to go on to Twitter or Facebook and send your messages, | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
tweets and texts with your comments, we would love to hear from you. | :42:51. | :43:02. | |
Thank you very much indeed for watching. See you soon. Good night. | :43:03. | :43:15. | |
Very disappointing to hear Ukip and conservatives will only commit small | :43:16. | :43:26. | |
amount. What we do need is qualified people. We will never turn our backs | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
on doctors and nurses. What we have to do is control it. There needs to | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
be a policy to bring people in who will do specific jobs in this | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
country that we need. But not for people just coming willy-nilly. That | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
was the point that the panellists were trying to come across with but | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
was not clear. I was disappointed with some of the answers. Some were | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
vague. Good questions were asked but on a lot of issues, it was very | :43:56. | :43:57. | |
wishy-washy. Hear the arguments | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
from the politicians themselves. | :44:04. | :44:06. |