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Nine days from now, the power to choose who runs the country rests in

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our hands. Each boat could count more than anywhere else here in the

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North West, who will you trust to take charge? There are more marginal

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seats than anywhere in the UK, whoever captures the north-west this

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time will win the election. Is it all about Brexit, help for hospitals

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and schools? With the region reeling from last weeks terror attack, is

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security top of your list? Obviously, it has been brought to

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the top of our minds. People are more concerned about schools, NHS.

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It's not just about Brexit but 90% is. This is perhaps the most

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dramatic contest we have seen in a generation. This evening, candidates

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put their case for power. With us tonight are candidates

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from five parties. John Bickley is the UKIP

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candidate in Eddisbury. Lisa Smart is standing

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for the Liberal Democrats in Hazel Grove, Nigel Evans

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for the Conservatives in Ribble Valley and Lisa Nandy

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for Labour in Wigan. And Stephanie Pitchers will be

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contesting Liverpool Riverside Our panel is all welcome,

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our audience is too. You are welcome to join

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the debate at home on Twitter, use the hashtag #electionnw:

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We will keep it up on the screen during the course of

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the next 45 minutes. A number of questions to get

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through, lots to talk about at the end of what has been

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a week that most people here Our first question comes

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from Dr Zahid Chauhan. What as a society can we do

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to prevent the spread Obviously what happened

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last Monday is shocking, and most of us are still trying

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to come to terms with this. But in some respects

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it wasn't a shock. Not least because those

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people in the Muslim and in Islam who hate us,

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who have told us quite clearly they want to destroy our way

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of life, it isn't a shock to them, they have been planning

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to do this for some time. And I think somehow,

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we've got to connect with the Muslim community and say we're

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all in this together. There is a problem in some elements

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of the Muslim community, anybody who saw the Channel 4

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programme last year fronted by Trevor Phillips,

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What British Muslims Really Think, some of the things that

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came out were shocking. 100,000 Muslims in this

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country think it's OK And people who have

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acts of terrorism. Half of them think there should be

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a law against homosexuality, one in four want to live

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under sharia law. We have all failed to find a way

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to work together and we have, as Trevor Phillips said,

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a nation within a nation. One in three people in this country

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are likely to be Muslim, if we haven't integrated by then

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we're going to have big problems. What would the Conservatives do

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specifically to try and stop We were all appalled by the scenes

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we witnessed last Monday and I myself had a constituent

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who was killed and another The vast majority of

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Muslims were as appalled as we all were by the scenes

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that we witnessed in Manchester. And we have got to work together

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to defeat the evil that Fortunately it is a relatively small

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number but we have got to redouble our efforts to work

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with the Muslim community to root out the people

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who have been radicalised, who are trying to radicalise others,

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to use the intelligence forces we have got to eradicate any access

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via the Internet to the radicalisation that's taking

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place there, and we have got to use the intelligence services far more

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than is currently the case and use our schools,

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bringing the communities together, bringing the religions together,

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there is not a them and an us, it's all of us against this small

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minority of people that we need Nigel Evans talked about trying

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to do something with the Internet, would Labour support forcing

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Internet companies like Facebook, Twitter, to crackdown on this

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on their sites? I think there is undoubtedly more

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that the Internet companies can do, some are leading the way in this

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so there is no excuse But the other thing we need to think

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about is we have 20,000 police officers cut from our forces over

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the last seven years, since 2010, and a lot of those police officers

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have been community police officers who are our eyes and ears

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in our communities and so it's incredibly important now that every

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political party sets out plans, my party has already done it,

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to put more police officers back on our street and we should never

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again be in a situation where a member of Greater Manchester

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Police is saying to the Home Secretary, as happened two years

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ago, that they simply do not have the resources they need to keep

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people safe It's incredibly important

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going forward after this horrific attack that we have the resources

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we need to keep people safe and we need a root and branch review

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as Andy Burnham said of the Prevent strategy, which started

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in communities and has become toxic. The trouble with that is if you are

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a young person in the north-west who is being groomed and targeted

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by extremists, you are much more likely to disclose that

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to a friend or family member than you are to disclose

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that to a police officer and if the community doesn't believe

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in the programme that is meant Do they regret the coalition

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and those cuts that were made I agree very strongly with what Lisa

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says about the importance of making sure our police and intelligence

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services, our security services, have the resources they need

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to do the job. We as Lib Dems would invest

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?300 million specifically in community policing

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in all our communities, le'ts not forget that there

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are representatives of a number of communities

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who commit terrorist attacks, The other thing we would do is make

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sure our police force represents the communities that we all seek

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to represent, Lisa made a really good point about Prevent,

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we as Liberal Democrats would reform it to the Engage

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strategy and make sure it was pulled from the bottom up from communities

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who know the communities best, who know whether it's

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in a far right community, whether it's in a radicalised

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extremist Muslim community, make sure it's those communities

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who are put in charge of working with police,

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with broader communities, to stop these horrific

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events we are seeing. Stephanie, from the Greens' point

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of view, it's not your natural hinterland, however,

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what would you do to prevent Absolutely the police

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have been underfunded, we need more police

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so that they can do their jobs. Something that hasn't been mentioned

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is that Salman Abedi was known to the police and several

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of his friends and family had reported him, he was banned

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from his mosque but nothing was done and I feel this

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was something that could have been prevented had we had enough

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police on the ground. One of the major issues

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that Muslim people face, that I've had with my neighbours,

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is that there is discrimination against Muslim people

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and against people of colour, So many people in my

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community are fed up at not being able to get jobs

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that are worthwhile, not being able to make a difference

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in the way they would like, to have really good,

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meaningful jobs that give back to society,

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and if we address these issues of inequality and fairness,

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that is a great step forward to stopping terrorism

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and radicalisation. What is the panel's reaction

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to the news that Jeremy Corbyn laid a wreath at the grave

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of the mastermind of the Munich A little bit off-topic, Lisa,

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you could answer it quickly? It was right that Jeremy has

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been asked questions about this and his views

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on terrorism over the weekend and he has been very robust

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in his response in saying that he doesn't support any form

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of terrorism, he also condemned the bombings

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and atrocities by the IRA. I think it's fair for the people

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to ask our politicians questions like this and I was glad

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to hear him give a very I would also like to hear

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Theresa May see some questions levelled at her and some real

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answers about the cuts to the police service,

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because I do think just a few days out from a general election,

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we are entitled to hear... Lisa is trying to deflect attention

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away from the core of that question. We were all appalled

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by what we have read about what Jeremy Corbyn

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did a year before he became leader Diane Abbott herself

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four times was asked to condemn the IRA atrocities

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when she was on The Record... Please don't try and score

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party political points So address the issue of police cuts,

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there are now 1000 fewer police on the streets

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than there were in 2010 Our Home Secretary said we will work

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to ensure there will be sufficient numbers to ensure

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that there are sufficient She said the opposite

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a few weeks ago. This is not using Diane Abbott

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economics, we would be funding You have cut and you have cut,

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voted every time to cut... I hate to break up the fight

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but the fact is the Tory party cut police numbers by 20,000,

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we would reinstate that. Want to impose multiculturalism

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on this country without asking One of the problems we have today

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is we don't get asked what sort of country we want to live in,

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it's imposed on us by the Labour The gentleman who has

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had his hand up for a while. I think sometimes the party conflate

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a couple of issues here, I spent over 30 years in law

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enforcement and what we don't need is necessarily ten or 20,000

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more police officers, a lot of that is to placate Joe

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Public. What we really need are intelligence

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service officers and unfortunately they take a long time to train

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up so in many cases, particularly in France recently,

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many of the people following this atrocities were found

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by a guy or a girl sitting Some of the Green party's policies

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are poor a basic income so that would mean every citizen gets

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an equal footing to start off with, so you wouldn't have people

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who are in a poverty trap and can't get into meaningful

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employment and can't get the They thought it was a great idea

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to go and kill lots of young girls last Monday night,

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giving them a nice job seekers allowance, they don't want that,

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they want to destroy our society. I want to know how many Muslim

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people you have spoken to divide I'm sure the majority of them

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are feeling pretty bad. The problem is coming from Islam

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and parts of Islam... It's not coming from

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the Christian community. There is a realistic point here,

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the people who have claimed responsibility for this horrendous

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attack on mainly women and children in Manchester just over a week ago

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have also been involved in committing horrendous

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atrocities against the Muslim They are not just attacking us,

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they are attacking decent people from different backgrounds

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all over the world. Until we start to address the root

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causes, we will never deal with it. They've got to stop

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killing us first. Final thought from you

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on what you have heard. How come everyone missed

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the point, I said How can you started getting

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us all these numbers Jo Cox's murder was unacceptable,

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but terrorism throughout Europe is being committed by people

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who align themselves with the Muslim nation, if you will,

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and align themselves with Islamabad. It has been highlighted

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by a small number of people. We have a second question

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from Astrid Johnson. I am an EU national,

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have been living here for 20 years, I am bringing up an English

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stepdaughter, I'm volunteering, I came to England because

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I love this country. Why am

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I a bargaining chip? I agree, it is desperately

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unfair that you people like you who've contributed

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massively to our community over many decades of being as bargaining chips

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in the extreme Tory Brexit world What we as Liberal Democrats

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would do is guarantee your rights to stay here, you're contributed,

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so many are contributing, Isn't that what is likely to happen

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in this particular element There are some in the UK

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Nationals who live in the EU, who live here, it should be

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a straightforward trade-off? Not necessarily, if we face a hard

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Brexit, a hard Theresa May Brexit, we could face potentially

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EU citizens who don't know where they stand and who are

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facing lots of uncertainty. We don't need to leave

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the single market. The north-west, 52%

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of things that are produced in the north-west go to the single

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market, EU countries, so it would be in our best countries

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to remain in the single market That is something the Green Party

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will be fighting tooth It's not just about people

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who are from Europe, living here now, and British people

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living abroad, it's also If we have a hard Brexit

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and all ties are cut, like so many of the other parties

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seem to want, we do face a real dilemma where our children

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won't have the same opportunities that we have had, and I just think

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that grossly unfair. You can say that,

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I couldn't comment! Do you fear a hard Brexit,

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or do you think we can find Astrid should know that before

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the general election I was joint chair of a party group in the

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House of Commons called Brexpats, and it is to look after the rights

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of the 3.5 million EU citizens who live and work in

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the United Kingdom, but also the 1.5 million British people

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who happen to live and work We want them to enjoy

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the life they have got here. It's common sense to say

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everybody should stay, live and work exactly

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where they are, it makes I was just saying to Nigel,

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why hasn't she said it? She has said that, she has been

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clear in the White Paper. Theresa May probably won't be

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able to guarantee that until she knows she has got

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the opposite coming back. Let me respond to that, because

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truth is it's not only shameful that we are treating people

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who have been in this country and contributed for

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a long time like this. It's also disastrous

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for our public services, the NHS in particular,

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it attracts a huge number of nurses and doctors from the EU,

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and applications have now dropped off, it's also the worst possible

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way to go about a negotiation. To show no leadership and

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no goodwill towards those other member states,

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the people you are seeking to reach an agreement

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with from the very beginning, and the reason for this,

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you asked why you're being treated as a bargaining chip,

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because I have watched the way the Tories have approached

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this from the beginning, Cameron led us into a referendum

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with no thought and planning for what comes next,

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because of pressure about his own position in the Tory

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party above the interests of the country, they had

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no plan at all board would And Theresa May is still at it.

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Jeremy Corbyn sitting around the negotiating table... That is

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absolutely outrageous. I think it's disgraceful. John Bickley, what you

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keep going to do to help? We want to see Brexit delivered. It was a

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simple choice people were given last year. Remain, or leave. All this

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nonsense with hard Brexit, extreme Brexit, Theresa May's Brexit, but is

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politicking. The British people said

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we want to leave the EU, and that means leave

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the EU full stop. Not stay in the EU Monday,

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Tuesday, Wednesday, leave on Thursday, Friday,

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Saturday. The lady at the end

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from the Green Party talks about 52% of trade from the north-west

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going to the EU. 88% of the wealth we generate

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each year has absolutely The EU is becoming a diminishing

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part of world trade. The British people made a very good

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decision to leave last year, And all those people that are still

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here from the EU, please stay. That has been Ukip's

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position all along. And we think it's quite

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sensible to sit down, as the Tory party will be doing

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this, no doubt, after June the 8th, with the EU Commission and say,

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we want be 3.2 million EU We assume, if you're being sensible,

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that you want the 1.2 million Brits Lisa Smart, one thing that a number

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of people have said to us anecdotally in the 12 month

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since we voted Out is, the decision has been made,

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should now everybody fall behind it and make the best possible

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Brexit we can have? Are the Lib Dems

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full square behind that? You asked before,

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where is Nigel Farage? He doesn't need to be on the stage

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any more because Theresa May is spouting all the words he's been

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banging on about for decades, You asked about the vote we had last

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year, absolutely we had a vote. That was to a departure,

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it wasn't about the destination. In 18 months, two years' time,

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when the negotiations have been concluded,

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we are saying that it should be the people that have a say on those

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details and on the tones of that That would weaken our

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negotiation, Roger. Could you imagine sitting

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opposite Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk and saying,

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if we have a bad deal, where going to put it back

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to the British people. And if it's not a good deal,

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they'll vote to stay You're actually pushing

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the negotiation. You're weakening Britain's

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negotiating position. Where is the detail of your Brexit

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position in your manifesto? No, Lisa, it means we're

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leaving the European Union. Your leader can't even accept

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the views of the British I think the Lib Dem party

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are typical of what's gone You're ganging up them

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from either side here. They don't accept

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the people's result. A bit like the EU, they keep

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getting you to vote to give Nigel could do a very good

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thing here, because he's so keen that we leave,

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he could get Theresa to say categorically that when we do

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leave we will get back control of all our own laws,

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of our fishing grounds out to the 200 mile exclusion zone,

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to make our own trade deals. No one can guarantee anything

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because we haven't sat down I trust Theresa May,

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and the negotiation... In ten days' time,

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Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott Let's have a quick thought

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from the audience. Lots of people have

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got their hands up. The gentleman over

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there in the T-shirt, you've been waiting very

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patiently, thank you. Lisa did touch on the NHS before,

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and this seems to be a running theme They seem to be using

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this as a scare tactic. Always threatening

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destruction of the NHS. We will talk about

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the NHS in a minute. That is to do with immigration,

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because what you're basically saying is it's under threat without

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people coming into the EU. It's actually under threat

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with people coming in. No government here can promise

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to sort the NHS, sort the education, There is a reality here

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about the National Health Service, we have 20,000 nurses,

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10,000 doctors who come Since we voted to leave

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the European Union, a result that I accept,

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those applications to come and work We've got 24,000 nursing positions

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that cannot be filled. Our nurses haven't had a pay rise

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under these Tories for seven years. We've driven down the terms and

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conditions of pay of our NHS staff. We need to bring back the

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nursing bursary, and make sure we stabilise our public

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services in the interim. Let's move it on, because our next

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question is going to take us Don't forget of course if

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you're at home you can join in, the hashtag's on the screen,

:23:28.:23:31.

hashtag "ElectionNW". Becky Forest, you've got a question

:23:32.:23:33.

for us on the health service? The NHS has struggled

:23:34.:23:39.

to cope with acute changes Isn't it time it was managed

:23:40.:23:41.

by a cross-party commission to improve its resilience

:23:42.:23:44.

and continuity? It's a great idea, but that means

:23:45.:23:47.

getting people like this Well, as a Green Party politician,

:23:48.:23:50.

I know that we're not going to get a majority government at

:23:51.:24:05.

the election, if we are realistic, because of the first

:24:06.:24:08.

past the post system. However, we are willing to work

:24:09.:24:09.

with other parties so that we can come to agreements on things

:24:10.:24:13.

like the NHS. I mean, we are more than happy

:24:14.:24:15.

to form a coalition with certain parties who share

:24:16.:24:18.

some of our ideals. A cross-party commission,

:24:19.:24:20.

would that work? Because I believe that

:24:21.:24:24.

the government of the day is the one that's in charge

:24:25.:24:33.

of the National Health Service. And at the end of the period,

:24:34.:24:37.

people would make a judgment That's your problem, isn't it,

:24:38.:24:40.

because you'd been in charge of it for seven years,

:24:41.:24:44.

and many people would say it's not The vast majority of people who get

:24:45.:24:47.

service from the NHS think they get I've got two members of my own

:24:48.:24:51.

family who are currently receiving treatment from the

:24:52.:24:55.

National Health Service. But the fact is that the demands

:24:56.:24:56.

of it have increased dramatically We've got more people

:24:57.:25:01.

living in this country. We're talking about

:25:02.:25:04.

?8 billion extra. In real terms, that's above the rate

:25:05.:25:06.

of inflation to ensure that we've Listen, all Jeremy Corbyn

:25:07.:25:10.

wants to do is... A lot of doctors would be

:25:11.:25:17.

hit by his taxation. Mental health care is seen

:25:18.:25:25.

as the Cinderella condition. And I can tell you on many

:25:26.:25:37.

of the surgeries that I've held over 25 years as a member of Parliament,

:25:38.:25:41.

it's an increasing problem. And it needs to be

:25:42.:25:43.

properly addressed. That's why we want to see

:25:44.:25:45.

10,000 mental health care professionals introduced

:25:46.:25:48.

into the National Health Service in order to deal with the problem

:25:49.:25:49.

that quite frankly is a ticking time John, is ?8 billion a year extra

:25:50.:25:53.

enough from the Conservatives? We will put 11 billion by the end

:25:54.:25:59.

of the next Parliament, per year, We would want another

:26:00.:26:03.

10,000 GPs by 2025. We would want to lift the cap

:26:04.:26:10.

on medical training places. We would want to see another

:26:11.:26:13.

20,000 nurses and 3500 midwives. You can see where

:26:14.:26:17.

the money comes from. ?350 million a week extra for

:26:18.:26:20.

the NHS is 18.2 billion over a year. You need to speak to the Tory party

:26:21.:26:29.

who put that slogan out So why only eight when

:26:30.:26:32.

it's not 18, Nigel? 8 billion in real terms, so there

:26:33.:26:37.

will be extra money going in. There is an additional

:26:38.:26:43.

one billion and mental The problem with the Labour Party

:26:44.:26:45.

is that they can trot out figures because there is a ?20 billion hole

:26:46.:26:56.

in the costings of their manifesto. They haven't got the faintest idea

:26:57.:26:59.

where this money is going to come. They can't keep hitting the top 5%

:27:00.:27:03.

or 26% on corporation tax for. Let's get a thought from this

:27:04.:27:08.

gentleman here in the back row. I get sick and tired of people

:27:09.:27:12.

bandying these figures out, like 10,000 additional

:27:13.:27:25.

mental health professionals. What is a mental

:27:26.:27:26.

health professional? Is he a fully trained

:27:27.:27:28.

mental health nurse? Or is it somebody with

:27:29.:27:29.

a bit of qualification? What is a qualified

:27:30.:27:32.

nurse, can you tell me? It'll be a properly

:27:33.:27:34.

professional person. There's an extra

:27:35.:27:38.

?1 billion going in. To tackle the mental

:27:39.:27:39.

health ticking time bomb. We are the only party

:27:40.:27:44.

talking about mental health You can't say where

:27:45.:27:46.

the money's coming from. I am extremely happy to share my

:27:47.:27:52.

copy of the manifesto with you. We have been banging on about mental

:27:53.:27:57.

health for a good number of years and I'm delighted that the Tories'

:27:58.:28:02.

party polling has handed sufficient Your party's policy is going

:28:03.:28:05.

to make it worse, Lisa. To address Becky's question

:28:06.:28:17.

about cross-party working groups to look at the health service,

:28:18.:28:19.

because it is too important to be this political football

:28:20.:28:23.

which is the basis of your question, I think, that is long-term

:28:24.:28:25.

Lib Dem health policy. In the short term, though,

:28:26.:28:27.

the health services in crisis. Nearly two thirds of NHS trusts

:28:28.:28:29.

finished the last financial year in deficit and something needs to be

:28:30.:28:32.

done more quickly What we as Liberal Democrats

:28:33.:28:35.

would do would be to add And ring fence the money

:28:36.:28:44.

that we spend specifically on the health service and mental

:28:45.:28:48.

health, public health and on primary The point that was made

:28:49.:28:51.

about needing to spend more on social care

:28:52.:28:54.

is absolutely spot on. We are living longer

:28:55.:28:56.

as a nation, which is great. But we're living longer

:28:57.:28:59.

with conditions like I'm not sure the dementia

:29:00.:29:00.

tax is going to be would be as Tories when you first

:29:01.:29:07.

announced that, but it is such an important thing and I absolutely

:29:08.:29:12.

agree with the basis On the one hand, I absolutely agree

:29:13.:29:14.

that we should try and take the political mudslinging out

:29:15.:29:24.

of discussions about how we fund and care for people in health

:29:25.:29:27.

needs in this country. I've been working with

:29:28.:29:29.

the Liberal Democrats and other political parties in parliament

:29:30.:29:31.

to try and do precisely And I think that is incredibly

:29:32.:29:33.

important to do that where we can. But the truth is in answer

:29:34.:29:38.

to your question, politics And that is deeply political,

:29:39.:29:40.

that is about the choices that we make, the different choices

:29:41.:29:49.

that we've all made as political When I look around

:29:50.:29:52.

the north-west and I see of hospitals and I see nurses

:29:53.:30:00.

who haven't had a pay rise for seven years,

:30:01.:30:04.

some of whom are now visiting food banks, I see huge shortages

:30:05.:30:06.

in the NHS, ?3 billion a year roughly spent on agency staff

:30:07.:30:09.

to plug that gap, when I see those huge pressing needs,

:30:10.:30:12.

I know exactly what this is because I saw it before

:30:13.:30:14.

growing up in this region The political choices

:30:15.:30:17.

of the Tory party... I see this every time

:30:18.:30:21.

with the Labour Party. Without it, they're

:30:22.:30:25.

dead in the water. If you haven't loaded up the NHS

:30:26.:30:28.

with so much PFI debt, which big fund managers and city fat

:30:29.:30:34.

cats are making millions out of, thanks to the Labour Party,

:30:35.:30:40.

they would have more money And if you haven't let in millions

:30:41.:30:43.

of people, if you haven't let in millions of people

:30:44.:30:51.

with uncontrolled immigration, With regards to mental health,

:30:52.:30:52.

I think a huge concern. Not just for this region,

:30:53.:31:03.

but also national. How much investment will any party

:31:04.:31:04.

investor mental health services? This is what the population doesn't

:31:05.:31:07.

like about politics. Every five years you tear down

:31:08.:31:12.

the education system, you tear down the health system

:31:13.:31:15.

and you try and rebuild them from the ground

:31:16.:31:17.

up, every five years. I don't think that helps

:31:18.:31:21.

the population as a whole. I think that's using the whole

:31:22.:31:24.

country as a political football. Can I just respond to this

:31:25.:31:27.

gentleman's question. It is right to say that we've got

:31:28.:31:32.

to think seriously about how we fund mental health services

:31:33.:31:36.

in this country. There is also another issue

:31:37.:31:37.

which is that money for mental One of the things that we're

:31:38.:31:40.

promising to do in our manifesto is to ring fence that funding so it

:31:41.:31:48.

actually reaches people. The Green Party is promising

:31:49.:31:50.

to bring mental health waiting times Currently in Liverpool you can

:31:51.:31:55.

wait up to six months if you are diagnosed with depression

:31:56.:31:59.

to see anyone. We want to give the NHS

:32:00.:32:01.

is ?20 billion. We're going to scrap Trident

:32:02.:32:03.

and we're going to claim back The NHS is so important

:32:04.:32:06.

that we can't let it go down the way that the Tories seem to be wanting

:32:07.:32:14.

it to go. The Tories have been looking

:32:15.:32:17.

after it for the last seven years, The Tories have been breaking it

:32:18.:32:20.

down, selling it off, The Green Party wants

:32:21.:32:24.

to take the NHS out of privatisation and back

:32:25.:32:33.

into public hands. Don't forget you can join

:32:34.:32:35.

in at home, hashtag #ElectionNW The gentleman over there

:32:36.:32:47.

mentioned primary schools. I would like to ask what you will do

:32:48.:32:51.

to ensure the educational system equips our young people to enter

:32:52.:32:59.

into industry with the appropriate Yeah, there is a massive section

:33:00.:33:02.

in the Conservative manifesto that addresses education,

:33:03.:33:07.

particularly on technical education, and technology education,

:33:08.:33:09.

and we are talking about investing This is an actual real terms

:33:10.:33:11.

increase in education of our young people to make sure that they've got

:33:12.:33:18.

the right skills - whether it is in the new Internet

:33:19.:33:21.

technologies that are available, or it is technical education so it's

:33:22.:33:26.

not just the academic aspects of education,

:33:27.:33:29.

which is important. Are you in danger of

:33:30.:33:32.

creating a two tier system? And the reason why, Roger,

:33:33.:33:38.

and the important thing is that we've got the fastest-growing

:33:39.:33:49.

economy in the G7. We are the fifth largest

:33:50.:33:51.

economy in the world. If we want to see that continue,

:33:52.:33:53.

we've got to make absolutely certain that we've got the right skills

:33:54.:33:56.

in our workforce for the future, and for that to happen we've got

:33:57.:33:59.

to make sure that people have got That's exactly what

:34:00.:34:02.

were going to do. I go back to when I was

:34:03.:34:05.

a kid in Wythenshawe. I didn't make it to the grammar

:34:06.:34:08.

school, which was actually But grammar schools and technical

:34:09.:34:11.

schools in those days, 65% of those Grammar schools were a great leg up

:34:12.:34:15.

for working-class people, and the labour and Tory party

:34:16.:34:19.

decided to destroy that system If you look at the programme

:34:20.:34:22.

for student assessment, Pisa, We are supposed to be,

:34:23.:34:31.

we used to have the greatest The other problem is Labour

:34:32.:34:40.

is education, education, education. They told a lot of kids that

:34:41.:34:53.

if you went to university you'd make We now find out from the office

:34:54.:34:56.

for national statistics almost half our graduates,

:34:57.:35:01.

with 40 grand's worth of debt and having stayed out of the job

:35:02.:35:04.

market for five years, I think anyone who's been

:35:05.:35:06.

through the education system in the last 25 years,

:35:07.:35:14.

or has worked on it, will know that you're

:35:15.:35:17.

talking absolute rubbish, So I don't think I really

:35:18.:35:19.

need to deal with that. There are lots of graduates

:35:20.:35:22.

who can't get a job these days, because they were promised this

:35:23.:35:25.

wonderful ideal that they could get There are lots of non-graduates

:35:26.:35:28.

who can't get a job as well. And I think the question

:35:29.:35:32.

is absolutely spot on. The truth is we have young

:35:33.:35:34.

people in this region who are unemployed in areas

:35:35.:35:40.

where there are vacancies for jobs. The question about how you bring

:35:41.:35:43.

those two things back together And the answer,

:35:44.:35:45.

I think, has two parts. The first is that we have

:35:46.:35:50.

to invest in young people. Schools have been cut,

:35:51.:35:53.

they will continue to be cut. But the flip side, of course,

:35:54.:35:57.

is that there has to be somewhere good for young people

:35:58.:36:00.

to go and work. And that is the real vandalism

:36:01.:36:02.

of what the Tories have done In the last couple of years,

:36:03.:36:05.

they have destroyed industries like clean energies,

:36:06.:36:12.

which were growing six times faster. In other countries, young people

:36:13.:36:14.

are being given the opportunity not just to build solar panels,

:36:15.:36:17.

but actually to design that You address the green

:36:18.:36:20.

economy, and then I'm The Green Party has a really great

:36:21.:36:23.

vision for schools for our future. First of all we want to take away

:36:24.:36:28.

Ofsted, because we find that it basically gets the government to go

:36:29.:36:32.

into schools and impose these really stressful situations and teachers

:36:33.:36:35.

that they don't need. How are you going to measure

:36:36.:36:43.

standards if you don't have Ofsted? We believe teachers know what's

:36:44.:36:45.

best for their students. We trust that teachers can

:36:46.:36:47.

teach their students, We also going to take

:36:48.:36:49.

all schools out of the free school and academy system,

:36:50.:36:55.

and put them under local Because every time a new free

:36:56.:36:57.

school or academy opens, it's taking money away

:36:58.:37:06.

from local authority schools. I think every child deserves

:37:07.:37:08.

to have an equal education, no matter where they live

:37:09.:37:11.

or which school they go to. The thing with the green economy

:37:12.:37:14.

is such an important thing. I mean, we need to be focusing

:37:15.:37:17.

on careers for the future. We need to be looking to the future

:37:18.:37:21.

and we need to realise that, that also care work is something

:37:22.:37:24.

that would be automated. You can't really have a robot

:37:25.:37:27.

give somebody the same So we need to value those

:37:28.:37:32.

sorts of jobs more highly Many of the jobs of

:37:33.:37:38.

the future probably haven't On the subject of education,

:37:39.:37:43.

Lisa Smart, can the Liberal Democrats be trusted after

:37:44.:37:49.

what happened over tuition fees? One of the things that we're saying

:37:50.:38:00.

about schooling is that we need What with the aim, as has

:38:01.:38:04.

been mentioned by Lisa, I've been a school governor

:38:05.:38:08.

for the last 13 years and I see our budget

:38:09.:38:11.

forecast doing this. We're going to have

:38:12.:38:13.

to get rid of some staff. That is not how you improve

:38:14.:38:15.

learning for young people. We also need to remember that

:38:16.:38:18.

schools and education, it's not just It's about well-being and I think

:38:19.:38:21.

some of the points that have been made about mental health

:38:22.:38:25.

and about children's mental health One of the things I'm going to give

:38:26.:38:27.

credit to the Conservatives for is a saying that sex

:38:28.:38:31.

and relationship education should That's a positive step

:38:32.:38:33.

forward, I think. It's something Liberal Democrats

:38:34.:38:37.

have been talking about One of the things I'm really keen

:38:38.:38:39.

for it to be is that it's LGBT inclusive across all schools,

:38:40.:38:44.

not just some schools. Let's hear from some

:38:45.:38:46.

of the people over here. It's really positive that we have

:38:47.:38:48.

12.1% youth unemployment in the UK aged 18-25 years old,

:38:49.:38:50.

that's really good. So I think we need to applaud

:38:51.:38:53.

the fact that we're doing incredibly well in our education

:38:54.:38:58.

system as well. Can I just say that it's great

:38:59.:39:01.

that we are supposedly educating But where I'm from in Pendle,

:39:02.:39:08.

not Pendleton, but close by, we have one in four children

:39:09.:39:12.

living in poverty. The majority of these

:39:13.:39:14.

people are working. If we're on zero hours contracts,

:39:15.:39:18.

you know, it's not going Getting people into work

:39:19.:39:21.

is an absolute start, and having the national living wage

:39:22.:39:28.

is very important, too. As I said, we've got 2.9 million

:39:29.:39:30.

more people in work now And part of the problem,

:39:31.:39:33.

and I know Lisa is not a great fan of Jeremy Corbyn,

:39:34.:39:39.

but I have to talk about Corbyn I'm not a great fan

:39:40.:39:41.

of you now, either. But Jeremy Corbyn is the leader

:39:42.:39:45.

leader of your party. Why don't you want to talk

:39:46.:39:49.

about child poverty? Nigel, the point the lady made

:39:50.:39:51.

was about families who are working The national living wage

:39:52.:39:57.

is helping to correct that. But the only way we can do

:39:58.:40:01.

that is by having a strong economy. And Jeremy Corbyn is attacking

:40:02.:40:04.

the very basis of those firms, 1 million children lifted out

:40:05.:40:07.

of poverty and labour, The lady from Pendle,

:40:08.:40:14.

she was rightly concerned about the inability of people

:40:15.:40:23.

at the bottom of our society, the working class, not being

:40:24.:40:26.

able to get a decent wage. Companies, if they are given

:40:27.:40:31.

the choice to employ cheap labour, guess what they're going to do -

:40:32.:40:34.

employ cheap labour. We would have a moratorium

:40:35.:40:37.

on unskilled immigration Very briefly, we are a very divided

:40:38.:40:39.

country, aren't we, Stephanie? I think Tory policies are making

:40:40.:40:44.

us even more divided. And I also think that how we handle

:40:45.:40:49.

post-Brexit Britain is going to be The country was split

:40:50.:40:55.

about the direction that we wanted to take, and we have to listen

:40:56.:40:59.

to both sides as we seek to leave the EU and get

:41:00.:41:03.

the best deal for Britain. The Labour Party's slogan

:41:04.:41:06.

"For the many, not the few". "For the many" were many

:41:07.:41:10.

MPs who tried to get "The few" were those who were left,

:41:11.:41:18.

who served in his Shadow Cabinet. Lisa doesn't want to talk

:41:19.:41:22.

about Jeremy Corbyn. I'd like to talk

:41:23.:41:24.

about child poverty. A lot of candidates don't mention

:41:25.:41:27.

Jeremy Corbyn on their leaflets. On June the 8th it's either

:41:28.:41:30.

going to be Theresa May You mention that the

:41:31.:41:33.

polls have narrowed. What they've narrowed from is a

:41:34.:41:39.

200 seat majority from the Tories to about a 100 seat

:41:40.:41:42.

majority for the Tories. Everybody, the gentleman over there,

:41:43.:41:44.

is fighting for their local MP, for their local champion

:41:45.:41:47.

for their area. As he rightly said, neither

:41:48.:41:49.

Theresa May nor Jeremy Corbyn is standing for election

:41:50.:41:52.

in the north west. It's up to everybody

:41:53.:41:54.

to decide who is the best MP I've got hope that tomorrow can be

:41:55.:41:56.

better than yesterday, or today. Taking us back with grammar schools

:41:57.:42:08.

I think takes us backwards, I think the more we see of Theresa

:42:09.:42:10.

May, the less we can trust her. She told us she was going to

:42:11.:42:16.

bring immigration down to the tens of thousands, and it's

:42:17.:42:19.

still in the hundreds of thousands. However, she will win because

:42:20.:42:22.

the Labour Party is so awful! Thank you, too, to Lisa Smart,

:42:23.:42:24.

to Nigel Evans, to Lisa Nandy, and to Stephanie Pitchers

:42:25.:42:30.

- our panel. Thank you also to you,

:42:31.:42:32.

our audience, and to you at home. We go to the polls a week on

:42:33.:42:35.

Thursday for the general election. It remains to be seen

:42:36.:42:38.

what the outcome is. Thank you very much

:42:39.:42:41.

indeed for watching. You can join in using

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the hashtag "ElectionNW". The proof of the pudding will be

:42:45.:42:47.

decided in nine days' time. No one was talking of homelessness

:42:48.:43:15.

which is a massive problem. We drifted into fantasy economics, as a

:43:16.:43:19.

small-business owner want be inspired. We have two options, we

:43:20.:43:24.

all want to spend money on our public services. I believe this

:43:25.:43:32.

election is a Brexit election. There's this want to make sure we

:43:33.:43:35.

have the best possible out from Europe. I'm not worried about my own

:43:36.:43:44.

personal status as an EU national but my stepdaughter, she will be

:43:45.:43:47.

deprived of a future where she can work and be together with other EU

:43:48.:43:49.

national is. Hear the arguments

:43:50.:44:03.

from the politicians themselves.

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