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A new leader for Al-Qaeda vows to continue the war on America and its


time lieutenant to Osama Bin Laden, is officially taking over the


Welcome to GMT. I'm Naga Munchetty. Also in the programme:


Fighting the financial crisis in Greece - the outcome could


determine the future of the European single currency.


TRANSLATION: It is everyone's duty to do everything needed to


safeguard the stability of the euro. The weird and wonderful world of


animation - a new London exhibit looks back at 150 years of the art.


It's 12:30pm here in London, 2:30pm in Athens and a time of change for


Al-Qaeda. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, a long time associate of Osama Bin Laden


and sometimes described as "the real brains of Al-Qaeda", has taken


over the reigns of the organisation. The announcement was posted on an


Islamist website accompanied by a promise to continue what Al-Qaeda


calls "the holy war" against the United States, Israel and their


allies. Peter Biles reports. It had been widely anticipated that


Ayman Al-Zawahiri would replace Osama Bin Laden as the head of boss


-- of Al-Qaeda. He had long been Bin Laden's right hand man and the


person thought to be the brains behind the 9/11 attacks in the


United States nearly a decade ago. The only surprise about the


succession is perhaps how long it has taken since the killing of Bin


Laden in early May. Since 96, they were very close to each other. I


believe it is a natural move and expected from Al-Qaeda. They needed


time to establish Al-Zawahiri as the leader and sort out differences


within the group. This is what we expected Al-Qaeda to do.


Ayman Al-Zawahiri was born in 1951 to a wealthy family in Cairo. He


studied medicine and in 1978, received a master's degree in


surgery. A year later, he set up the Egyptian Jihad, which was


subsequently involved in the assassination of Anwar Sadat. He


made his way to Afghanistan in 1980, when he met Osama Bin Laden.


Under new leadership, Al-Qaeda has warned it will continue its fight.


The organisation has been on the defensive since the Arab uprising


of recent months. But Ayman Al- Zawahiri remains as hostile to the


West as his predecessor, Osama Bin Laden.


Let's get some more on this new Al- Qaeda leader. We're joined by our


security correspondent, Frank Gardner.


What makes him different, what does he bring to Al-Qaeda? In many ways,


no big change. He has been more or less operationally in charge of Al-


Qaeda for the last eight years. We have seen him in the videos most of


the time, his most recent one was only a week ago, in which he was


setting himself up as the leader. Bin Laden has really been in hiding,


far less in evidence. His background is that of Egyptian


Islamic Jihad. He has got very good connections with Egyptian Islamists,


many of whom have been released since the Arab uprising. It is the


challenge is that a lot of people will focus on, that he faces. It is


a very disparate organisation under a lot of pressure. They have lost


Osama Bin Laden, Kashmiri, Abdul Muhammad, three major leaders from


the Al-Qaeda et diaspora in the last few weeks. It may be that this


man may not even last this long, because the intelligence is now


getting so good at tracking people down. There will be enormous


pressure on the Pentagon and CIA to find him. At the same time, Al-


Qaeda is under pressure to demonstrate its power. One of the


problems this man faces is trying to exert some kind of authority


over the various branches. You have them in Yemen, doing their own


thing. You have them in North Africa, involved in kidnapping and


hostage demands was that you have Al-Qaeda and affiliates in other


parts. What will be the relationship in Afghanistan? If


there is going to be a peace deal between the Afghan government and


Taliban, will that involve getting rid of Al-Qaeda and not allowing


them to come aboard? He has a lot Top as a character, Osama Bin Laden


had carried to, does he bring this? I don't think you could accuse of -


- Al-Zawahiri of having a lot of character, he is very dry and


dictatorial. I have not met him, this is what people have said. He


is not somebody who has that X Factor, that magic touch... I know


he is anathema to most people but those who admired Osama Bin Laden


said he had, weirdly, a personal gentleness. He invited the media to


interview him 15 years ago, lots of people did. BBC were invited but we


left it a bit late. Lots of other networks interviewed him with


impunity. His message, although it was of great violence and hostility


and confrontation and destruction, nevertheless, on a personal basis,


people found him quite engage in -- engaging. They have not said that


about Al-Zawahiri. He spent time in London, a man Al-Zawahiri. He was


involved in the SAT assassination - - Ayman Al-Zawahiri. His mind set


He has all the fire and zealotry of a young revolutionary and


reactionary, but he is not that popular, with some of the Gulf


operatives, who may find it tricky paying allegiance to an Egyptian,


where they found it eg to -- easy to pay allegiance to a Saudi, in


Bin Laden. While one militant leader is


promoted, another has been jailed. The Indonesian radical Muslim


cleric, Abu Bakar Bashir, has been given a 15-year sentence for


helping to organise an Islamic militant group. A court in the


capital, Jakarta, found him guilty of providing thousands of dollars


to a militant training camp, uncovered last year in Aceh


province. Our correspondent, Karishma Vaswani, reports from


Jakarta. The verdict in the Abu Bakar Bashir


trial has been delivered. Police came out in full force today, as


you can see. They are getting ready to leave the court house, where the


verdict was delivered. In the lead- up to the announcement, there were


a number of concerns about security in Jakarta. There were text


messages and Twitter messages circulating, saying there would be


violent repercussions if Abu Bakar Bashir received a harsh or severe


sentence. He got 15 years in jail, prosecutors had demanded a life


sentence. His lawyers have said they will contest this verdict how


much are an effect this decision will have on Indonesia's ability to


fight terror is still debatable. People we have spoken to have said


Mr Bashir will continue to be active, even if he is behind bars.


He is believed to be the spiritual influence behind radical Islamic


groups in the country, and it is likely he will continue to preach


his message, turning Indonesia into an Islamic state even while he is


in prison. Let's take a look at some of the


other stories making headlines around the world today.


The Greek prime minister, George Papandreou, is preparing to


announce a new cabinet and seek a vote of confidence to allow him to


continue in office. Mr Papandreou needs support for his austerity


programme to stop the country defaulting on its debts, but he's


facing a revolt among some of his own PASOK party, and police had


running battles with protesters in Athens. From there, Malcolm Brabant


reports. There's little doubt that people


power contributed to the sudden collapse of George Papandreou's


administration. It wasn't the rioters who were involved in some


of the worst violence seen in Greece in over a year, but the


indignant movement, which represented such a cross section of


the country's society. Its daily peaceful protests touched the


consciousness of socialists Members of Parliament, who could not


stomach the members -- the prospect of passing you swingeing austerity


measures. A few of them gathered outside Parliament, as Mr


Papandreou prepared to select a new cabinet. TRANSLATION: The issue


isn't if one or another ends up minister, the issue is that we


finally see a substantial way to deal with these problems.


TRANSLATION: I would like elections, there is no other solution. Pantry


you cannot do what he wants, he does not have the right to do as he


wishes -- Papandreou cannot do what he wants. It has alarmed partners


in the eurozone and President Sarkozy was one of the first


leaders to call for stability. TRANSLATION: What we need most


today is unity. We need to move on from these national quarrels and


get back to the sense of our common destiny. I call on everyone to show


the spirit of responsibility, and sense of compromise on which Europe


has been built. The international financial markets


were contemplating a second bobbly day in succession, with some


analysts warning of the danger of the Greek disease infecting other


imperilled European economies. One of Greece's most respected


broadsheet newspapers, lambasted as a political farce Mr Papandreou's


failed attempt to form a government of unity. A leading comp --


To add to Mr Papandreou's embarrassment, a leading


backbencher has resigned from the party. This will not affect his


majority in parliament because the Socialists will hang on to the seat,


but it indicates that Mr Papac Deri will have a difficult task trying


to win a vote of confidence on Sunday -- Mr Papandreou will have a


difficult task. Joining us via webcam from the


Greek capital is Constantine Michalos, the Chairman of the


Athens Chamber of Commerce. Thank you for joining me. We were


hearing from our reporter the Prime Minister's position is tenuous, to


say the least. A vote of confidence on Sunday isn't guaranteed. What do


you think? Absolutely. To add to the report but we have just heard,


there has been another three resignations in the last hour and a


half from the governing party MPs. They have called for the


parliamentary group of the governing party to meet later today,


4:00pm Greek time. I think, at the end of the day, there will be a


ballot, which will be set, so a new leader will be elected. It is


extremely difficult, that there will be a vote of confidence with


the present Prime Minister on Sunday. I have to agree with your


reporter, it was criminal management, what happened yesterday.


Because this comes at a very difficult time for the Greek


economy, the Great Society. What is required is responsibility and


seriousness. Unfortunately, for the last two-and-a-half months, we have


been missing both. While this turmoil continues, do you envisage


any agreement between the political parties, even if a new leadership


is established? We have always advocated that consensus is the key


word, in order to combat this situation that the Greek economy


finds itself in. Yesterday, we saw an extremely erroneous management


by the Prime Minister, and I think that what must happen in the next


few days is that the serious political persons from both of the


two large parties increased must find a way to move towards


consensus, to have a coalition government, so that early next week,


there will be a representation in Brussels, so that they can


rearrange, or reallocate the austerity programme that has been


dictated by the IMF and the European partners. We are seeing


pictures of protests on Wednesday, do you think the protesters will be


appeased by some political stability? I think everyone wants


political stability. The people that are out on the streets, the


so-called indignant movement, that has been demonstrating for the last


20 days. Also, the market forces in Greece. As I said, for the last


two-and-a-half months, we haven't seen any reforms. There hasn't been


any sort of governmental effort, in order to solve the problems. The


only thing we are hearing of his measures, measures, measures, as


far as taxation is concerned. If you don't enhance growth measures


into your economy, it is impossible to expect any economy, however


strong it may be, to produce the necessary results. We need to have


a different mixture of economic policy. It is something the Leader


of the Opposition has indicated, both to the Prime Minister and the


Greek people. I think we have defined a solution, combining the


necessary reforms that are dictated by are EU partners, but at the same


time, enhancing the necessary growth measures, so we will exit


this tunnel of crisis that we are living through during the last two


In other news, hackers have attacked Malaysian government


websites, disrupting more than 40 sites. The attacks follow


allegations that Malaysia is trying to curb internet freedom. The anti-


censorship group anonymise had threatened to attack the Website


after the Internet watchdog blocked 10 last week in an attempt to


combat piracy. Fights between Australia and New


Zealand have again been grounded because of volcanic ash from chilly.


Tens of thousands of passengers have been delayed since the Puyehue


began erupting almost two weeks ago. Qantas says that some flights to


New Zealand could resume on Friday. Still to come on GMT: Diplomatic


manoeuvres. Is there a peaceful outcome for Libya where Colonel


Gaddafi stays but power changes hands?


First, time for the business news. We have been talking about Greece.


You are definitely talking about Greece. His defaults are


inevitable? Many will say so. It's gone from messy to dangerously


disastrous. You have eurozone leaders, to this hour, still unable


to agree on how to rescue Greece. In Greece itself, you are talking


with a country with a junk status credit rating, the worst in the


world. It is paying interest on its debt at 18.5%. That is crippling.


The banking stocks are down to a 15 year low, that has sent markets


down. Investors are thinking of just one thing, that Greece will


default. The problem is that it's no longer a Greek problem, it's no


longer a European problem. It's a global problem. Listen to this.


Greek debt is the new subprime. If Greece goes down, there's a good


chance that other European countries hit the rocks, Portugal


and peripheral countries. You have a huge amount of effectively dodgy


government debt. The market wrongly used to think that was safe, just


as was the case with subprime debt from America. If one country starts


to default, the entire financial system will be hit badly. That is a


scary warning. The worry is contagion and the impact on banks


around Europe, bags around the world and the impact on us as


consumers. We are going to have a busy few days. The debate has


always been if you are iPhone or BlackBerry. The name we don't


always throw around his awry m, the company behind BlackBerry? Before


the iPhone, before Google Android, there was BlackBerry. It is still


probably be go to devise for businesses. But the share price


does not reflect that. It's fallen 40% since the beginning of this


year. Why? They launched a new tablet device and it got mixed


reviews. It's the devices they haven't launched yet that is


causing the problems. They promised a family of smart phones, but they


keep getting delayed. That's not good when you're trying to complete


-- compete against Apple and Android. There is one good news


story out of this. The good news is the developing markets, they have


been doing very well there. The other interesting thing, I've been


in the Middle East, and the youth set-up BlackBerry Messenger to set


up dates. 80 Kloss -- 8 o'clock dinner, tonight... Our way back on


air? A quick flash of the markets. BRITs is the worry. Have if you


would like to get in touch with us, tell us your thoughts on anything


you have heard or seen, had to our You can watch the highlights from


You are watching GMT. The headlines this hour: The war goes on. Defiant


rhetoric from Al-Qaeda as Ayman Al- Zawahiri takes over following the


killing of Osama Bin Laden. Protests against austerity measures


continue in Greece as the Prime Minister prepares to reshuffle his


cabinet to deal with the debt A Russian envoy says he can


envisage a future for Libya where Colonel Gaddafi remains in the


country but power moves to the opposition. The Russian President's


Special Representative for Africa made the comment in an exclusive


interview with the BBC Middle East editor in Tripoli. This is ahead of


his meeting with senior members of the Libyan government. If there is


a kind of national reconciliation in Libya, if Gaddafi is involved in


that process, all options are open for the time being. You're saying


he could stay in the country, but you want him to leave power?


only Russia, I think. I think all of the international community


understands pretty well that Colonel Gaddafi lost his


credibility after he started bombing civilians. We understand


very clearly that, if he is a responsible person, and we hope he


is a responsible person, he should undertake urgent measures to start


the process of national reconciliation. People in the


regime, including his son, have talked about elections and reforms,


but with Colonel Gaddafi staying in the country. Major says he must go


and then other things must be talked about. What does Russia


want? -- NATO. I've been to Benghazi. I met with the National


Council, up almost all of the leaders. In Cairo, I met with


Gaddafi's cousin, who also represents part of the Libyan elite.


I think the general consensus in the Libyan elite is that Gaddafi


should go. With all my respect to the position of NATO, with all my


respect to the position of the world leaders that represent the


great -- G8 and talked about Libya a lot, the key factor is what


Libyans think about the future of Libya. My feeling is that they


think about it without Gaddafi as a political leader.


Time for something completely different. Fans of cartoons from


Astro Boy to Betty Boop are in for a treat if they are in London over


the next few months. The Barbican Art Gallery has trawled the


archives of 150 years of animation for a new exhibition it is


launching this week. Called Watch Me Move, it features animated


classics including Mickey Mouse, Tom and Jerry and the Flintstones.


As well as more experimental and sometimes unusual works by


independent artists. We can take a look at one of them now. It is


Joining me now is the Watch Me Move creator, Greg Hilty. We are already


talking because it is so exciting, so different. What was the


inspiration? The Barbican has done a lot of exhibitions about broad


visual culture, but we thought animation really needed to be seen.


It so pervasive, it's everywhere. It is on websites, Baba phones,


it's an incredibly expressive and artistic tool. How easy is it to


collect the correct footage? easy at all. We have been working


for three years on this project, it's got about 180 works. We have


had specialists choosing and I have had my own team of experts in terms


of my family. It really is for everybody. There is work from


Japanese animation, drawer, I have to credit my daughter with bringing


in Tron. Mainly it is an exhibition of films, but we got some fantastic


objects. There are toys, models from 1929 feature film animations.


I know it is not all light-hearted. There's another clip that I want


our viewers to see, called A Is For Autism. Sometimes, my shell-likes


distort the teacher's instructions, or my eyes Blur to stop me seeing


the blackboard. Sometimes I won't hear a few words at the start, and


the next lot of and words merge into each other. I couldn't make


head or tail of it. So, not all fun and games. Then our messages that


animation can get across. How important is animation's role in


that? I think it's crucial. One thing you see in that clip is that


animation, as a medium, provides a series of tools. It's not like


there is a clear progression from simple animation to CGI. Artists,


animators can delve into the repertoire and bring out what they


want for their own expressive purposes. It's interesting the way


that animation has come a long over the years. It's been 150 years, we


have quite an old clip available for our viewers to save lots of


talk to me about this. This is buying Windsor McKay, one of the


early pioneers of animation. It's where the title comes from, you saw


it at the beginning, Watch Me Move. The early stage of the exhibition


is one of the most spectacular, is one of the reasons why it should be


in a gallery rather than just on film or television. We have works


presented by Edward, it used to be a scientific and entertainment tool.


He took pictures of things that could not be visualised before. He


also presented them in a kind of projection show, travelling around


the country. Animation has always had a sense of engaging with the


real world, but also being entertaining and compelling. Even


as we watched this, I know it is old compared to what we see now, it


does seem timeless. It doesn't seem that animation has to be flashy and


impressive all the time to grasp our attention? One of the reasons,


it's sometimes seen as a childish thing. People dismiss it, they have


been a bit dismissive in terms of high art or high visual culture. I


think that's a mistake. I think if people come to the show they will


see it is a mistake. Supposedly childish things still have a


profound meaning. I'll put you on the spot, give me your favourite


one that we should watch? esoteric, I would go for the Tale


of Tales, a beautiful, dents, Russian film, made in the 1970s. It


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