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Now on BBC News, HARDtalk. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
Today I'm in Paris for a special edition of HARDtalk. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
My guest came to the city a week ago from the jungles of Colombia. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
She came as a free woman after more than six years as perhaps the most | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
famous captive in the world. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
Hers is an extraordinary story, from hellish imprisonment | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
to miraculous rescue. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
And now Ingrid Betancourt is ready to tell it. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
Ingrid Betancourt, welcome to HARDtalk. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
Thank you so much, I'm so glad to be here with you today. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:10 | |
Thank you so much, I'm so glad to be here with you today. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
We're very glad to have you on the programme. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
You've had a week and a little bit more of freedom. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
How do you feel now? Well, it's a shock. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
First, because after years of being everyday submerged | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
First, because after years of being everyday submerged | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
into sadness, I'm the opposite now. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:28 | |
It's the euphoria of being with my family, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
and feeling so much happiness, it's just great. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Has the euphoria to any extent worn off yet? | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
No. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
I hope it won't go ever again. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
I mean, I would like to always remember how great it is to be alive | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
and how great it is to be free. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
I don't want to forget it. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
I think we shouldn't forget. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
It's a privilege. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
Has it been somewhat disorientating to be, | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
for more than six years, a captive with no choices, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
no ability to make any decision for yourself, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
suddenly to be pushed into this world where there are thousands | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
of choices to be made every day? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
That's true, that's one of the impacts of this new life. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
There are others, like for example knowing that I don't have a life, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
I have to build a life. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
I am intruding in the life of my children, they have their life, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
they have to continue their life, now with the present. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
And so I know that I need to find my way, which is not, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
I mean, it's not easy, but it's beautiful. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:48 | |
But I think I need to just, I think I am achieving the first | 0:02:48 | 0:02:54 | |
part of this new life, getting in touch with everybody | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
and thanking everybody, but I know that now I have to just | 0:02:57 | 0:03:05 | |
retreat and be alone with my family and construct my matrix with the one | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
I love, and then it will take time. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:20 | |
I know I need time. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
I want to talk more about your family and the future but now | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
I want to... | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
Tell me exactly what you remember of the release, the rescue, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
because there have been a lot of details released about it. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:39 | |
People across the world are fascinated. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
It seems miraculous but how did it look from your point of view? | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
Well, what you said, the exact word is miraculous. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
When I think about my life, I say it's incredible what happened. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
I will tell you. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
We woke up at four in the morning with our normal things to do. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:07 | |
I always pray, and I would wait for my mother's message | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
on the radio. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
It was very important for me. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
And then they released us. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
We were chained and they said "You have to pack, you have | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
to get ready." | 0:04:23 | 0:04:24 | |
We knew because we had talks with the commanders, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
that there was an international commission that was planned to get | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
in touch with us, but we didn't know really what was going to happen. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
During that morning, one of the commanders came to speak | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
to me and I asked him what we could be waiting for, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:47 | |
and he said, "There is a helicopter that will come and it will take | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
you somewhere where you are going to talk with the higher commanders", | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
and then afterwards he said, "I don't know, perhaps some | 0:04:56 | 0:05:03 | |
of you will be free, perhaps some of you are going to be | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
transferred somewhere else or perhaps you are going | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
to come back here. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
We don't know," he said. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
So when I spoke and shared this information with my inmates, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
what I thought was perhaps one of us could be released. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:24 | |
Of course I know that in our hearts we all prayed that it was our turn, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
so we were like excited but frightened, you now? | 0:05:28 | 0:05:35 | |
And at the same time, for example in my case I didn't | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
want to be released without the others. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
I knew it wouldn't be, I felt it wasn't good. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
I didn't want that to happen. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
And then we saw the helicopters. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Then they moved us when the helicopters approached the site. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:58 | |
We had to cross the river, we were very close to the site | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
where the landing was done. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
And there was a group of five people that came out of the helicopter, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:12 | |
four men and a woman, and these guys were dressed in white. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:18 | |
And they had all kind of badges and things, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
and I thought, my God. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
And my friends were asking me, "Do you know these guys, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
are these guys French? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Are they Swiss?" | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
And I said, I don't know, I don't know them, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
I don't recognise anybody. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
And we were surrounded while the guards that were telling | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
us to shut up and not to talk. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
The FARC guys? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
The FARC guys. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
And they were very excited, and they were aggressive. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
And these guys came and they wanted to talk only to the commanders | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
so they went away with the commanders and we could see | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
that they were hugging and they were giving them things | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
and then we saw they gave them like some drinks to give | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
to all the group, and we thought, what is this? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:17 | |
It's the FARC, it's those guys, they are the same. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:25 | |
It's not an international commission, this is fake. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
And there was in the group a cameraman, and he was taping. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
So I felt very uncomfortable and tried to keep in the rear | 0:07:33 | 0:07:39 | |
because I did not want them to take me. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
So you are now feeling deep disappointment. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
You thought perhaps this was an international mission, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
perhaps even some of you might be free and suddenly you think, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
this is just another FARC move. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Yes, and they are using us, they want to show the world | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
that we are OK, that we are alive, and probably they will use | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
the images to say, "Don't worry, we are the good guys, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
we're taking care of them." | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
So to prepare everybody, like for four or five years | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
more of abduction. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
So they handcuffed you? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
Well, that was the thing. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
They said if you want to get into the helicopter, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
you have to be handcuffed. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
It was so humiliating. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
And one of my companions said, "I don't want to get | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
into the helicopter, I refuse. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
I'm not going with you, I'm not going to accept | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
to be handcuffed." | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
I knew from the experience I had with the FARC that we couldn't, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
I mean if the FARC had decided to take us in the helicopter, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
when you have a gun pointed at you you will not ask | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
if you like or if you do not like, you have to do what they tell | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
you to do. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
I am trying to imagine you in your handcuffs, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
taken into the helicopter, it takes off and at this point | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
you have not an inkling that rescue is at hand. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
No. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
We see the commanders that have been with us during all this time, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
our enemies that have been so cruel with us, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
that have been in the helicopter with us, and then in a second, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:20 | |
the guy is on the floor. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:27 | |
I see everybody punching him and I said, what happened? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
And then it is like in the same second the leader of the operation | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
screams, "We are the Colombian army, you are free." | 0:09:33 | 0:09:44 | |
It's something incredible. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:45 | |
I cannot find words to tell you. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Because I knew it had to be real. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
And at the same time, the explosion of feelings | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
was so intense that I was like, I thought perhaps | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
I wasn't feeling anything. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
I screamed, I was yelling, and then I thought, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
this is ridiculous, I cannot screen. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
My God. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
And then all the others came and helped me and everybody | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
was kissing me, and I was in tears, but at the same time, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
is it true? | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
It was like... | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
The greatest? The greatest moment. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
The greatest moment of your life? | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
No, because the birth of my children was better. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
But that was the greatest moment of all this ordeal. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:40 | |
At that moment also you can see the guys who had been responsible | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
for your captivity themselves bound. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
I think one of them was naked. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Did you feel intense anger at that point. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Did you want to go and kick them? No, no. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
I was telling my companions not to do that because I had | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
a moment, some seconds. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
I prayed. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
I prayed to God. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
You know, I think that it's very important to be free, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:23 | |
totally free, and I think that anger or seeking revenge or bitterness, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:30 | |
it is like chains. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
The same chains that they had us wearing all those years. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:40 | |
It is like those kind of chains. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
But at the same time you cannot forget what they did to you. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:47 | |
You must forgive and you must not forget. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
But it is for another reason. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
I think that psychologically speaking you have to forget. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
You have to. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
That is what I'm doing great now, I'm trying to just have a break. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:06 | |
I need those memories to come up to the surface very slowly. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
Because I know that I am fragile still. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
And there are things that I just can't cope with. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
You mean memories of physical abuse? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Memories, memories of things. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
But at the same time, I know that those things that | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
I lived, not only me but all of us, we have to do the necessary crossing | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
inside of ourselves to give testimony so that what we lived does | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
not happen again to anybody else. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:42 | |
Because the world wants to know what the FARC did to you. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:50 | |
Did they torture you? | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
I am not going to talk about those things. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
It is just a decision I have made. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
I am not ready. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
I don't know if sometime in the future I will talk | 0:13:01 | 0:13:07 | |
about those things, but what I know is that the world, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
it is sufficient for the world to know that war is something that | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
breaks lives and breaks your soul and that those that do not know | 0:13:14 | 0:13:26 | |
what being victims of a war is cannot understand the privilege | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
to live in peace. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:38 | |
I want to show to you words that you yourself wrote to your daughter, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
Melanie. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
We had Melanie on our programme, we talked to her a couple | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
of months ago. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
It was an extraordinarily courageous interview she gave us. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
And she shared with us the words that you wrote to her, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
when you talked of being weary of suffering. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
You said, "Sometimes death seems to me the sweet option." | 0:13:57 | 0:14:04 | |
You must have been at a terrible place when you wrote that. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
Yes. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:16 | |
Now it's the time to think about the others that | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
are still living that ordeal and to know that we can make | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
the difference for them in their lives, if we are vocal, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
if we move, if we just... | 0:14:28 | 0:14:35 | |
We have to fight for them. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
We have to fight for them. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
You left a lot of people behind. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
Yes. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
How do you cope with that knowledge? | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
There are believed to be perhaps 700 prisoners still held by the FARC. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
If the numbers are accurate, we have 3000 hostages in Colombia, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
700 held by the FARC, and there are 25 persons that | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
were political prisoners like me. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:15 | |
The others are held - the FARC has this horrible business | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
of kidnapping people for money. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
So the 700 we're talking about, they want money for various reasons. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:33 | |
But the difference is that the political hostages, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
our families cannot do anything about our situation. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:52 | |
We have to go through others to take care of our problem | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
because it is political. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:06 | |
So I think it's - that is why, well, we have to move. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Do you fear for their current situation, given that you and 14 | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
others, the most high-profile prisoners have been seized | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
from the grip of the FARC? | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
Yes. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:22 | |
I'll tell you, there's not a minute of my life, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
day and night, in any of my dreams since I have been released, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
that I don't have this communion with their fate, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
knowing that they can be killed at any moment. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:41 | |
They are at risk. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
And this has to end now. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:53 | |
Because every second that is added to their suffering is a second | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
where the risk of death is present. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
How does it end? | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
Do you believe that President Uribe of Colombia should continue | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
with the tough military strategy and in the end, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
should he seek to destroy the FARC? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:17 | |
I think that the FARC have to understand that it's over. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
It's over. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
Their time is over. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:33 | |
The world wants to see a Colombia in peace. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
There is no place for them any more in Colombia. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
I'm not going to tell the president of Colombia what to do, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
the only thing that I know is that the hearts of all Colombians | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
are seeking a new life. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
We want to be able to recover our country in peace, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and that's something that Uribe has to reflect on and the FARC have | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
to reflect on, too. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
But it would be fair to say when you were taken you actually | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
were in FARC territory because as a presidential candidate | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
you believed it was worthwhile trying to open up a dialogue. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:11 | |
Do you still believe there is something to talk about, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
to negotiate about, or now it has to be a question of FARC surrender? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
We are human beings and human beings are beings of words. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
The word is what makes us different. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:24 | |
The words are our strongest weapon. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
We need to talk to make peace. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:44 | |
The only way we're going to solve the problems in Colombia | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
is if we establish a space where we can talk without fearing | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
to be killed. | 0:18:50 | 0:19:01 | |
So this is something that we have to work on. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
It's not easy. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
We know it in our everyday life, in the family when there | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
is a problem, finding the right words, saying them in the right | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
moment with the right tone, it is difficult. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:20 | |
Well, that happens also for a nation. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
You described how you would listen to your mother on the radio. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
You have also described how messages from your family were the oxygen, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
the thing that kept your head above water, you said. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
How did you, throughout those years, know what was happening | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
to your family, to your country? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:42 | |
How did you know? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:43 | |
Well, I had the radio. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
The radio was our TV, DVD, all those gadgets that you have now, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
and that I don't know how to use. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
They let you listen to the BBC? | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
It was so important. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:53 | |
I listened to the BBC every day, twice a day. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
I can tell you the names of all the guys that broadcast | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
in the BBC. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:12 | |
The guys that work in the BBC for the radio, they have this | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
incredible ability to be so expressive in describing things | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
where they are that you just listen to them and you see. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
You can see what they are talking about. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
You can hear their surroundings, and you know if there is wind, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
if it is hot, you see it. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
But Ingrid Betancourt, in the end, despite the expressive journalism | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
you were able to listen to, you could not know | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
what was happening to your family and I want to know, before | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
we finish, what it has been like getting to know your daughter, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:51 | |
Melanie, your son, Lorenzo, again, having missed six years | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
of their growing up. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
I believe, 19, your son - 21 your daughter. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
What has it been like getting to know them again? | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
It has been a magic blessing. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
That sounds like, I mean, the opposite, but it's | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
nothing like that. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:19 | |
It's magic because it's something that happens like this, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
and it's a blessing because I just feel it comes from God. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
I mean it's like for example I tell you, I was feeling so much that | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
when I would see my mother again, I would see an old woman. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:36 | |
And I knew it would break my heart. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
Because when I left, she was beautiful and so active. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
And when I saw her, it was like no day, the time didn't touch her. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:54 | |
But my children, it was exactly the opposite. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
I knew that those children that I left had become adults | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
and I was trying to imagine how they would be physically | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
and in their character and spiritually. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
And I would always be so... | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
I would imagine things, the best. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
What would be the best that I could expect? | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
And the reality was better than all the best that | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
I could imagine. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:20 | |
You sit here and you have been through unimaginable things, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
and yet you look so serene and so strong. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
But that's the exterior, that's what I see. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:38 | |
I just wonder, when you think about yourself, Ingrid Betancourt, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
how have you changed over the last six and a half years? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:48 | |
How are you different now from the woman that you were, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
running for President in 2002? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
I'm a woman, I'm a fragile woman. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
The difference is that now I know, so I take care. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:55 | |
You know what? | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
That I'm fragile. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
Ingrid Betancourt, thank you very much for being on HARDtalk with me. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Thank you. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:25 | |
Hello. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
I know many gardeners in England wanted some rain, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
but I suspect some of those gardens are now water-logged | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
after what happened during Wednesday. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:32 |