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trip was the first person to alert authorities ` before the crew made a | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
distress call to the coastguard. Welcome to HARDtalk. In just a | :00:00. | :00:26. | |
couple of time, the World Cup will kick off here in Rozelle. It will be | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
the combination of years of preparation and billions of dollars | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
of investment. In arenas like this one. The brand`new national stadium | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
in resilient. In this country, they love their football and they love to | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
party so there is a huge sense of anticipation but there is another | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
feeling in the air too. Trepidation. Because some of the World Cup | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
stadium are not ready. Allegations of corruption are swirling around. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
There is a fear that this World Cup may be remembered not just for the | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
goal scored on the pitch but the protests of them. | :01:09. | :01:15. | |
My guess the date is one of Brazil's injuring football heroes. Romario. | :01:16. | :01:27. | |
This is believed most beautiful spot in all of resilient. | :01:28. | :01:44. | |
He was a World Cup winner in 1994, scorer of 1000 goals, a footballing | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
rebel with a millionaire lifestyle was now an outspoken socialist MP. | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
It's funny because it's a very calm, very clean city, with very dirty | :01:56. | :01:56. | |
politics. You might think he would be one of | :01:57. | :02:13. | |
the World Cup's most enthusiastic ambassadors. In fact, he is one of | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
its harshest critics. Why? Romario, welcome to HARDtalk. | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
The World Cup is little more than two months away and, as one of | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
Brazil's greatest footballing stars, we might expect you to be feeling | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
excited. Are you feeling excited? And yet you have been one of the | :02:32. | :02:59. | |
leading voices, very critical of the way the organisation of the World | :03:00. | :03:07. | |
Cup has gone. How are you feeling about that organisation right now? | :03:08. | :03:37. | |
It looks as though the World Cup will cost billions of dollars. Many | :03:38. | :03:45. | |
of the stadiums that have been built have cost hundreds of millions of | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
dollars and some of them will get barely used after the World Cup has | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
finished. If you had been in charge of | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
organising this tournament, how would you do it? | :03:59. | :04:57. | |
You said not so long ago that when you see in this country schools | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
where kids get no lunch, classrooms don't have air`conditioning and | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
where hospitals are short of beds, if we had spent 30% less on the | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
World Cup we would have money for things that really matter. It sounds | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
like you are very angry with the decisions made by the football | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
authorities and the central government? | :05:19. | :06:08. | |
Who is getting rich off this World Cup? | :06:09. | :06:55. | |
You seem to have declared war on a number of different targets. You | :06:56. | :07:02. | |
called the Brazilian football bosses cancer, you accused the president of | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
Fifa Sepp Blatter of being a thief, the director`general of Fifa you | :07:06. | :07:15. | |
called a blackmailer. Is that the right kind of language to be using | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
when Brazil is under the spotlight across the world? | :07:19. | :08:21. | |
But in saying the things you have said in such an outspoken way, you | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
have fallen out with quite a few of Brazil's registered footballers. `` | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
greatest footballers. For example, Pele says Brazil's own people are in | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
danger of spoiling this World Cup party. People should understand that | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
football brings in money and benefits to the people of our | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
country. Ronaldo, a great striker like yourself, says new stadiums | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
have to be built as part of the World Cup preparation. | :08:48. | :09:01. | |
You say only two voices but after all Pele is Brazil's greatest | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
footballer. When you called him an imbecile, it seemed to show a | :09:10. | :09:10. | |
certain lack of respect. Let's talk about the protests. In | :09:11. | :10:19. | |
the last year we've seen serious street protest in Brazil and there | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
is much talk of more protests being targeted at the World Cup itself. | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
Let me be clear with you. Do you believe people should be out on the | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
streets, protesting and demonstrating at the World Cup? | :10:35. | :11:18. | |
Is there not a danger that you are stirring things up, by saying people | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
have the right and should protest, using the World Cup as a focus for | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
their anger? You are creating a situation which could lead to | :11:31. | :11:31. | |
violence, could lead to real danger. You have been very critical during | :11:32. | :12:28. | |
this interview of the football authorities in Brazil and Fifa. Do | :12:29. | :12:37. | |
you see anything positive coming out of the World Cup for Brazil? | :12:38. | :13:47. | |
Let me get a little bit personal with you and explore your own | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
beliefs and what shape them because you, of course one of Brazil's | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
greatest football stars but you were raised in a favela. I wonder if your | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
childhood and you're up bringing have played a crucial role in what | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
has become your political career as a socialist. Is your background what | :14:12. | :14:13. | |
defines you? It seems something happened to you | :14:14. | :15:02. | |
in the course of your career, the switch from sport to politics. I | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
just wondered what it was, you had a reputation for being, sort of, the | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
bad boy of football. You enjoyed life, stayed out late, you were | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
something like a party animal. Now, you have become a politician, known | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
to your attendance record and seriousness. What happened? `` known | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
for your. It is interesting how you put it, | :15:28. | :16:36. | |
you say you have not changed, you are still the same Romario. You are | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
under intense pressure, you are a celebrity and Brazilians watch your | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
every move. This your for example you have had some trouble with the | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
police and a drink`driving charge. The Brazilian media was all over | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
it. Because you are now an elected politician. You have two live to a | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
high standard. ``to live. Tell me a little bit about the | :16:58. | :17:49. | |
particular focus you have put in your politics on the plight of the | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
disabled in Brazil. It is very close to home, isn't it? Born out of | :17:54. | :17:54. | |
personal experience for you? Before we end, I want to switch back | :17:55. | :19:12. | |
from politics to football. Let me ask you about the status of football | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
in Brazil today, `` the state of football. There is something very | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
strange that happens in Brazil to talented young footballers, they | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
grabbed, at the age of 12, 14, 15, taken from their homes, and many are | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
encouraged, very early, to move to Europe, and they are still young | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
kids. Often forced huge sums of money. They are living a long way | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
from home on a different continent. `` often forced huge sums. I wonder | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
about the way that Holland is developed in Brazil today, is it | :19:51. | :19:52. | |
healthy? `` talent. If I may, let me ask you this: | :19:53. | :20:20. | |
thinking back to your own situation when you were taken in your early | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
20s to Holland, many Brazilians, even younger, they are playing in | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
big leagues. Is there a danger of Brazilian players being treated as | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
little more than a commodity, a piece of meat? To be traded by big | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
businessmen. This seems to be the irony of this | :20:41. | :21:50. | |
World Cup year in Brazil, we are going to celebrate football in the | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
nation which is best at football, Brazil, but the domestic game is | :21:55. | :21:56. | |
full of corruption, there is violence, the crowds and attendances | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
in many of the stadiums is going down. You could argue that football | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
in Brazil is actually facing a crisis? | :22:04. | :22:39. | |
You have already made it plain to me that you do not believe the | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
currently does of Brazilian football are capable of change. Maybe... You | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
can do it? I cannot leave your house without | :22:48. | :23:43. | |
asking you the simple and obvious question: Who is going to win the | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
World Cup? We will wait and see, but for now, | :23:47. | :24:06. | |
Romario, thank you very much for being on HARDtalk. | :24:07. | :24:14. |