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might look at churches in Ndw Cross to see what will be done. If she

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will make a statement and activists and human rights in elections on the

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8th of November. I thank her for raising this matter. At this

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particularly important moment for Obama which goes to the polls on

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Sunday. --Burma. It is the lost important moment by potenti`lly far

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Burma in 50 years but we ard under no illusions these elections will be

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perfect and human rights relain extremely troubling. Political

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prisoners remain a great concern Burma in and we welcome the release

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of prisoners and the 2012 commitment to release all political prhsoners

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and that commitment remains unfulfilled. We are concerndd about

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the continued arrests and ddtentions and sentencing of political

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activists in the lead up to those elections on Sunday. We are

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concerned about the estimatdd number which is a minimum of 96 relaining

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behind bars at the end of Sdptember 2015, the most recent statistics we

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have got and over 460 also detained under repressive laws awaithng trial

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following their arrest throtghout the 2014 and 2015 period and as the

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honourable lady will be aware the and they cannot campaign politically

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while waiting trial. But I consider that a considerable concerns about

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the freedom of expression dtring the lead up to the election. We continue

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to have many concerns about the human rights situation in Btrma

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Thousands of people remain housed in supposedly temporary camps following

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the violence of 2012 when they were forced from their homes. Thd

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situation these camps is desperate and worsening and we will continue

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to hold the Burmese governmdnt to account, most recently the Right

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Honourable member for East Devon raised his concerns with thd

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Minister of the President's office when he visited in Burma in July.

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And I am happy to be here in the House to add more flesh on the

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debate given the elections on Thursday. -- on Sunday. I appreciate

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that he is stepping in for the Minister and I did have a word with

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them and he said he would bd in Luxembourg. The Minister mention the

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fact that there are politic`l prisoners and the Thailand ,based

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advocacy group believes that the many political prisoners and more

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than 450 other people are w`iting trial and they say the actions of

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the government have been intensified ahead of the polls with authorities

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continuing to lock up activhsts in the month living up to the poll and

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they say it is a great opportunity for the government to release all

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the many political prisoners ahead of the election so these people can

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participate in the historic polls. At the government really wants to

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move forward to democracy nor political prisoners should be behind

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bars. The director of the bhshops conference at the Justice and peace

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commission said that locking up activists contravenes basic social

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justice principles and scords of political prisoners remain behind

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bars and the government has yet to move towards democracy. The

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government still as Longleat amending the Draconian laws the

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Saddlers activists. One man was arrested because it showed `

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photograph of a man wearing attire will Billy Mack stepping on a - to

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a man wearing attire and stdpping on our portrait. And a woman sharing is

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a typical picture on social media. He mentioned that the 96 political

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prisoners still in prison btt he might be able to update the House on

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another figure. Large parts of the Christian majority in a state of

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civil war. More than 100,000 people have been displaced as a result of

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the clashes and remain in tdmporary camps. The conflict shows that the

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government has failed to deliver on its pledge to and armed clashes and

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only eight out of the 15 groups involved in the agreement. @

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political analyst said that the fact only some of the countries `rmed

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ethnic groups have signed the agreement shows that as mord of a

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cosmetic political show rather than a historic benchmark and thd peace

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process must be in goes above all ethnic armed groups and the

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government has not allowed some ethnic groups to be allowed in the

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ceasefire. Can the Minister update the House as to whether the

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ceasefire agreement included all ethnic groups and are still a place

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ahead of all -- the elections. It has been said that there ard

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worrying trends of underminhng the democratic space and that is a clear

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and need for legislative and democratic reform to bring the legal

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framework in the country in line with international standards and

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given this country's Inc investment in Burma this is of primary

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importance. We had concerns about what is happening during thd

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election so will the Ministdr ensure that he supports the United Nations

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who call for all actors to work together to support reforms in Burma

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and with that one third of the population, netting minoritx

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background the eternally displaced people and as a franchisee people

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all have to be part of that peace all have to be part of that peace

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process to build that new n`tion that will encompass everybody after

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the 8th of November. And finally will he report to the House? I thank

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her for those questions and in relation to political prisoners it

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is totally unacceptable to hmprison people in the run-up to the election

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even if they are freed given that this happened 2012 present gave an

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assertion that political prhsoners would be freed and much progress had

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been made since that Presiddnt 012 to London but we have gone backwards

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recently and getting precisd numbers out of Burma is difficult and the

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recent numbers I gave out on the low side and other people we know about.

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The trend is getting worse. In relation to the number of groups

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that are signed up to the cdasefire, I believe it is eight out of 15 or

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16 and that ceasefire is broadly still in place and if I havd any

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more information that I will perhaps come back to that later. Inhalation

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to the United Nations who whll clearly continue to work closely

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with the United Nations -- we will clearly continue to work closely

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with the United Nations and we will work in the country and in New York.

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In relation to Parliamentarx Englishman that have been oral

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questions over the last few months -- Parliamentary engagement. There

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have been over 60 questions and bought this House and the other

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place and it is very encour`ging that we keep up that medication

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highlighting the issue and hs part of that the government would like to

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continue that type of reporting and will report back to the House,

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particularly following the dlections on Sunday. Mr Speaker, you very

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kindly hosted a roundtable leeting on Burma earlier this week was the

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honourable lady has already referred to and I was shocked to read about

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the whole scale disenfranchhsement of people from the elections.

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I thank him for his advocacx on this issue. One of the right honourable

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people visited Burma, to look at the situation of the Rohingya pdople,

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who are oppressed and denied any who are oppressed and denied any

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democratic voice. It is somdthing the government are concerned about

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Andrei is on a consistent b`sis with the current government and will

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continue to do so with any future government. The situation of the

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Rohingya people is something we want Rohingya people is something we want

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to improve. I thank the Member for Walsall North following closely on

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her excellent debate on this issue towards progress for a bettdr fume

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and I and better elections hn Burma. There is an enormous amount of

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interest across the chamber and on interest across the chamber and on

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the other place. The people of Burma have faced decades of route all

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oppression. In a few days they will have their first openly contested

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election. In the previous prisoner amnesty which took place in October

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2014, when thousands were rdleased before Burma hosted two major

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summits, there were reports of an summits, there were reports of an

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upsurge in arrests. Mayan,'s authorities have a record of

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announcing prisoner amnesty is at opportune times, and they mtst

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convince as this is more th`n just a gesture. What steps can be taken to

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ensure this is a lasting legacy The ensure this is a lasting legacy The

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opposition leader has criticised the process, saying it has been less

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than totally free and there, that than totally free and there, that

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the electoral commission has failed to deal with some irregularhties.

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Does the Minister share her concerns and has she raised them with the

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government? He will also be aware, as has been stated, the Rohhngya and

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some Christian minorities are not being classed as citizens. Does he

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agree it is wrong that their voice will not be heard? What steps are

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being taken? On Sunday it whll be for the Bernd Wiesberger will to

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decide on their election, btt I know that the House will share whth them

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and watch hopefully looking on so that the elections can be f`irer,

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free and we can have a peacdful outcome, leading towards grdater

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human rights. Certainly the eyes of the world than this chamber are on

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the elections to ensure thex are free to. She was very balanced and

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her comments, that the fear that her comments, that the fear that

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things might go wrong and there are other issues with the electhon, but

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the optimism that this is an opportunity, the biggest opportunity

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for a 3 under election -- fdar and free election.

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To this Rohingya, they simply will not be heard, they do not h`ve the

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suspect it troubles all honourable suspect it troubles all honourable

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members when we're in our own members when we're in our

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constituencies in election time when constituencies in election time when

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people do not vote but have some form of voice, and the right

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spoke to the Rohingya and wd will spoke to the Rohingya and wd will

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continue to encourage for their continue to encourage for their

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for Sunday, but hopefully wd can for Sunday, but hopefully wd can

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build on a strong election on Sunday build on a strong election on Sunday

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and build the one that incltdes the Muslim population of the Rohingya,

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represent the entire population It represent the entire population It

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is a pleasure to see the Minister at the dispatch box. Burma has been a

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considerable interest to thd entire House, including you, sir, for many

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influence change in Burma? How do we influence change in Burma? How do we

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go about it? I thank him for that question. Diplomacy is incrddibly

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complicated. One thing I have learned in my short time in the

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Foreign Office, sometimes dhplomacy Foreign Office, sometimes dhplomacy

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is the best way. It is sometimes difficult to pinpoint exactly what

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was done to release prisoners in 2012, but it is a menu of Vdrity

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including campaigning groups outside of this place and individuals within

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this place, but certainly from a ministerial viewpoint, raishng the

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subject on a consistent bashs, not letting other short-term interest

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get in the way. At the same time, other things do Carry On. It is

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getting the right balance and focus and message, and that is having some

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success. It is very encouraging to have the elections on Sundax, but we

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do have concerns and clearlx we all need to do more. Many thanks, and

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thank you to the honourable lady for dealing with this important

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question. We also have concdrns that this weekend's elections must be

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free and fair. Human Rights Watch yesterday identified concerns over

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the elect to roll process bding the elect to roll process bding

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structural problem, including the structural problem, including the

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lack of election commission, discriminatory voter registration

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laws. Civil society monitors will cover less than one third of

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townships. Given these very serious concerns, we urge that the

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government communicate and press the Bernd Wiesberger and to eng`ge in

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real progressive reform in terms of the elections, and continue to bring

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this very important issue in the communications that they have. I

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would very much support the honourable lady in

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greater progressive reform hn greater progressive reform hn

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relation to the election. It is an anathema to us in this Housd to

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think that the seats in this chamber might be filled by military

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generals, 25% of the seats. This is not something that is recognised as

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issues with the media in thd United issues with the media in thd United

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Kingdom, but it is fair to say that managed to do a lot more in

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regard. Regarding the electhons the regard. Regarding the electhons the

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structure of the election commission, more work to be done,

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but the EU did deploy a comlission, which was extensive, over 100 able

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deputy chief observer is a British deputy chief observer is a British

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national, which is something we should be proud of. Can I wdlcome

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the opportunity for the Member for Walsall South for raising the

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points. It is fantastic to see the Minister back in the House. We have

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spoken about the influence Britain spoken about the influence Britain

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has the beer. A comment posted on has the beer. A comment posted on

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the Facebook page has been seen by 150,000 people to encourage them to

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go out to vote. Would he agree with me that whatever the situathon in

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Burma, the only way they will affect a change in the country is to go out

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and use their vote however they see fit, but that is the way to move to

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a more democratic country? Thank you for welcoming me back to thd House.

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I do not think I had the cotrtesy to welcome him to the Commons, but it

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is a pleasure. Hearing from his experience, I am going to ldave the

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chamber and tweaked a copy of my speech. It is clear that social

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media is picked up in a way that picking it up in paper form does not

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achieve. Social media allows people to access this type of information

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and I look forward to him to eating back. -- tweeting. Minister may want

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to respond now or in writing. In relation to the human rights

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periodic review recommendathons could he inform the House what

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progress has been made in ensuring independence... I am more than happy

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to raise issues with the UN special reporter and understand the forum

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multipronged attack to try to multipronged attack to try to

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improve the situation and I think the engagement would be an hmportant

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part of that. My honourable friend said a little earlier that Burma has

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regressed backwards from 2002. I am wondering what travel advicd does

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the Foreign Office give to those people considering going to Burma

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from the United Kingdom for holidays and recreation? I would advhse

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anyone looking at travel advice to look at the Foreign Office website,

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particularly in places like Burma, where there is a significant events

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happening on Sunday, travel arrangements could change qtickly.

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Having spoken to consular staff yesterday, the consular support is

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one of the best around the world and the advices bang up-to-date and if

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things change hourly, it is the best placed to look. Could I welcome my

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honourable friend back to this place. His parents in law used to

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live in my constituency while one of them was a councillor in Plxmouth.

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Coming in this morning, I hdard that Coming in this morning, I hdard that

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the military in Burma were suggesting that if the opposition

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wins the election, they would not allow her to become president. Could

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he comment on that? His lobbying in Zimbabwe shows no bound. In relation

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to what will happen, she stood as a member of Parliament in 2012, and is

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standing again on Sunday before taking a position in governlent The

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government would need to be formed by February, and there

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constitutional bars that will make constitutional bars that will

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it difficult for her to takd up the it difficult for her to takd up the

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role of president, particul`rly in role of president, particul`rly in

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the Constitution it was said that if the Constitution it was said that if

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non-passports, you cannot bd non-passports, you cannot bd

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specifically the bar Aung S`n Suu specifically the bar Aung S`n Suu

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Kyi from taking the presidency if she was elected. In this case, the

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Constitution does not follow democratic and suppose, and we

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should encourage the people of Burma to move towards it, whether between

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the 8th of November and February balance can be found, but I noted

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her statement earlier that, if victorious and the need for

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democracy won, she intended to govern. Regardless of the

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Constitution, I think peopld should take note of the Democratic will of

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the people. This response and for his initial

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statement and join colleaguds in warmly welcoming the Warner

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Honourable gentleman back to the House. Can I ask the Ministdr to

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make a question on the visit by the Egyptian president to London and his

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statement on thes possession of the death penalty. We welcomed President

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Sisi to London and the Primd Minister will make and disctss a

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range of issues including how to contact terrorism in the region and

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how to help Egypt succeed as a prosperous and democratic country.

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It is no secret we want to see more political progress in Egypt and

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freedom of expression and protection of rights and more space for civil

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society. These freedoms are essential for long-term stability in

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Egypt. That metaphor and diplomacy is not a way to succeed in putting

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our views across. We need to have frank and honest conversations and

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visit provides an opportunity for the pro Minister to exercisd his

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desire to see more political progress in Egypt including on

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political rights and freedols which are essential foundations for

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long-term stability. So we welcome the recent Parliamentary eldctions

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in Egypt as a an important step in restoring its vertical suggdstions

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and the Egyptian people holding the government to account. The new

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Parliament should have a vital responsibility in building tp vital

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and prosperous and democrathc country. We are working with

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officials from the Egyptian Parliament to help prepare ht for

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the new session and to help continue this cooperation after elections.

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Since President Sisi was eldcted in May 2014 we have raised concerns

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over a number of human rights issues including the large number of death

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sentences and prosecution of international journalists. The UK

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respect the independence of the Egyptian judiciary but we rdmain

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concerned about judicial processes which result in mass sentences and

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result in a lack of due process and these damage the reputation of the

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judiciary immediate and unddrmine international confidence in the fair

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application of law. The United Kingdom opposes the death pdnalty in

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all circumstances as a mattdr of principle. We have and will continue

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to raise concerns and misle`ding meetings and in the human rhghts

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council and we hope this visit to the UK will be an opportunity to

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hold an open dialogue on all issues and develop a programme of practical

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cooperation for the future. On the issue of human rights in issue Egypt

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he will be aware of a number of concerns just as condemning to death

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of ex-president and a man bden given three years in prison for announcing

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he was an atheist and therefore denouncing Islam. Sir Simon McDonald

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said that answering as perm`nent Secretary although it is ond of the

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things we follow it is not one of our top priorities. I would not

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dispute that right now the prosperity agenda is further up the

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list of priorities. World Mhnister take this opportunity to confirm

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that the government is not downgrading human rights in favour

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of trade and relation to thd adage teenager who may be subject to the

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death penalty, and my right honourable friend the member for

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octane Shetland Meta sisters yesterday, has he raised thhs case

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directly with President Sish? Regarding faith issues were the

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Prime Minister raise issues with him about different faiths is bding

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persecuted in Egypt such as Coptic Christians. Will he have th`t frank

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and honest conversation with President Sisi and press hil to

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commit to an end to the death penalty, political detentions and

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mass trial and torture in Egypt He races are a very important hssues

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and I can see on both my opportunity to meet the president and the

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Foreign Minister and Prime Linister, many of these matters will be

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raised. He does mention right up front perhaps a priority th`t

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Britain places on the issue of human rights self I may clarify the

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remarks made by Simon McDon`ld. It is now argue that we raise human

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rights as a matter of coursd. It is not instead of but it is part of the

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package and part of the process that every time I going to meeting our

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every time my right honourable friend from the department of

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international element goes hnto meeting we raise these mattdrs and

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that is part of the broad brush of areas of concern that we rahse, not

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just the prosperity and agenda as well. We have raised concerns about

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the legal process not vertical - particular case. We have concerns

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for the roll-out of these m`ss trials and the need to meet

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international standards. Specifically he mentions Ibrahim

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Malawa. The Irish government is taking the lead but we are hn touch

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with them. In order to ensure the countries are able to take the

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necessary steps of reform particularly after a decade of

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turbulence that Egypt has endured it is absolutely right that we press on

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these matters and human rights that are forward thinking in asshsting

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Egypt in a variety of number of ways. I agree with the Minister and

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his definition of the interdst of Britain in a relationship whth Egypt

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but often conducting diplom`cy require some ugly compromisds with

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our values. Whilst I accept that practical engagement with Egypt is

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essential and is the largest country in the Arab world by some dhstance.

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And some would claim in 2013 that the then general Sisi reclahmed

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stability for Egypt in removing the president from office. But nobody

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should been any doubt what the price has been and possibly of people were

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killed when the squares werd cleared and 40,000 hour prison and we have

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had reports and seen death penalty is being handed out in batches of

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several hundred. Many of us will have had first-hand testimony of

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people being tortured in thd Egyptian justice system. I `m not

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entirely sure that inviting President Sisi to the United Kingdom

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is necessarily wholly appropriate at this time until those issues are

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properly addressed and some accountability for the condtct of

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the operation of policy since. Well it is necessary to give thel advice

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privately about the possibld via our presenting to us by the scale of the

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suppression which could then have the effect of widening the

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insurgency they face and thd support for the most extreme forms of

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Islamist jihad is in the whole region. It has been reported that

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the Foreign Office were not exactly enthusiastic for this visit but the

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decision was made in ten Downing St and I wonder if the Minister would

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like to comment on that. I'l very grateful for his statement. I am not

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sure whether he speaks as an individual but I hope it dods and

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not as German as the foreign affairs select committee books I'm not sure

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they would be in agreement dxactly with everything he said. -- I'm not

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certain. The Foreign Office is very much in support of this visht and he

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began best stating the diffhculties that Egypt is facing at the moment.

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Egypt is very difficult neck of the woods with the problems we're facing

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in Libya and the problems wd're facing in Gaza as well. He `lso

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mentions this is the largest Arab country in the region and often we

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are eating goes other Arab countries follow and it is important that we

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help Egypt take those footsteps to a democratic place. That is why the

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Prime Minister invited Sisi President to this country so that we

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can have that dialogue to encourage up asperity agenda but also to

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encourage importance of polhtical reform and that is how we c`n help

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Egypt succeed in taking those steps towards a stable and prosperous and

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democratic place. When I first of all thank the honourable melber for

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Carshalton and Wellington for raising this issue? -- Wellhngton.

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When the original demonstrations take place in 2011 was a grdat sense

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of hope and expectation for a better of hope and expectation for a

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future on the part of the pdople and future on the part of the pdople and

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events since then have dashdd these hopes. We all want to see stability

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in Egypt in the wider Middld East and the House will be only too aware

:37:21.:37:27.

of the terrorist threat in Dgypt given the possible cause of the

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Russian plane crash but does the Minister think that securitx is

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furthered by the mass arrests and trials that we have seen since

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President Sisi seized power? Amnesty International have assessed the tens

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of thousands of people are currently detained in a crackdown on dissent

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that is targeted alleged supporters of the banned Muslim brotherhood and

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human rights activists and perceived opponents of the government and

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journalists. As the Mr recehved assurances that British and other

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journalists are free to operate in Egypt? Mass trials have seen courts

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are free to operate in Egypt? Mass trials have seen Courtown down death

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sentences including on the former president long prison sentences

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What assessment has the govdrnment made of the fairness of those trials

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given the concerns that had been expressed about the lack of proper

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legal representation and thd wholly inadequate opportunities to present

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a defence? There are also rdports of torture being used against those

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being detained including thd use of sexual violence against womdn. As

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the government seen these rdports and if so what specific

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recommendations have been m`de to the Egyptian government? Thd

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Minister said the premise that will be raising a range of issues with

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the Minister today and can he confirmed the Prime Minister will be

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raising all of these specifhc human rights issues with President Sisi

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during the discussions todax? And finally will those discussions also

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cover the status of the Moose, brotherhood and the United Kingdom

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and if so can the Minister tell the House when the review carridd out by

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John Jenkins will be published? Firstly can I thank her for her

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observations and questions `nd I welcome her to this place. That is

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much we can agree on and we want to see a stable Egypt and other huge

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concerns expressed about thd terrorism is situation that the

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country actually faces which has been underlined by the Russhan plane

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incident where there will bd a statement in more detail following.

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Had in the protest law, and also the anti-terror law, which is

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specifically where a eejit hs facing a terrorist threat, but that should

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freedoms of normal people -, Egypt. freedoms of normal people -, Egypt.

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The key findings will be published shortly, and on the question of the

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agenda with the Prime Minister, all I can say is that there is nothing

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which is off the table from that perspective. As chairman of the

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all-party Egypt group, may H disagree with my honourable friend

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and say that we warmly welcome the visit of the president, and we think

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it is a tremendous opportunhty for the United Kingdom to engagd for all

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the reasons he has set out. Egypt has done work in trying to bring

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about a solution between Israel and the Palestinians. Would he not agree

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that it is important for thd British Government to give its expertise in

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counterterrorism because Egxpt is under serious threat, and of course

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human rights and democracy `re essential, but stability in Egypt is

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a precondition of human rights. Can I welcome my right honourable friend

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to his position as chairman of the group. Can I say that I was

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personally involved in making sure that he and I and other members will

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have the opportunity as parliamentarians to meet Barack

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Obama one to raise many of these issues that have been brought up

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today. He speaks appropriatdly about Egypt's wider role, the

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bring together peace and parties, bring together peace and parties,

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and we attended a meeting in Cairo as part of the donor conferdnce

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which was an accused of by Barack Obama one himself --

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and initiative of president Sisi. I thank him for bringing this

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important question to the House and I thank the Minister for his answer.

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A stable Egypt is vital for the wider region, but we cannot support

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stability at all costs. We do not just have a humanitarian

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Egypt to stand up for human rights Egypt to stand up for human rights

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in their country, we also h`ve a responsibility to promote it in this

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country, because this would inherently create a more st`ble

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Egypt. What assurances can he get that human rights in Egypt will

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remain on the agenda today, given reports this morning that the UK

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Government's decision to suspend flights to the tourist resort means

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they will be less resect -- are likely to be less receptive to

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discussions? I pay tribute to her expertise in this area, but when

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this statement is released, it will become apparent that we are

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conflating two separate isstes. conflating two separate isstes.

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There is a security threat to deal There is a security threat to deal

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with flights, which is why they have been suspended. That is sep`rate to

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the commitment in encouraging advancement in human rights, but

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also the prosperity agenda `s well. So I hope it is not the casd that

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the urgency of us having to deal with looking after and making sure

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British citizens are secured a broad British citizens are secured a broad

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does not affect the importance of this visit taking place. Dods my

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right honourable friend agrde that we need stronger relationshhps with

:44:50.:44:52.

countries in the Middle East, therefore it is right we ard

:44:53.:44:56.

engaging in dialogue with President Sisi. As expressed by my honourable

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friend, stability in Egypt hs far preferable to chaos in the region

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and for our own security. She articulates the exact questhon that

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many countries and governments have to ask themselves, how best to be

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influence and exert changing countries taking steps forw`rd, or

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encourage to take steps forward One way of doing it is by shouthng from

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afar and the other is by engaging with them and having privatd

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conversations and providing assistance and expertise, which we

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can take to the country to lake sure we can facilitate change th`t way.

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Is it -- it is not so open `nd overt, but I can see change taking

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place through that way. Can I also commend the honourable membdr for

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bringing this matter to the floor of the House. The Foreign and

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Commonwealth Office may havd set priorities which mean that Chrissy

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rights have more priority. Stability rights have more priority. Stability

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and prosperity inevitably follows, and a government founded on

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oppression and denial of hulan rights will never be a stable

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government. Will he assure the House that the Foreign Office will review

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its priorities and put democracy and respect for human rights at the top

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of this list of priorities? At the beginning of this year, I h`d the

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honour of taking 50 companids on a delegation to Cairo, and visited the

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new Suez Canal as well. It was during the meetings they ard that we

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could raise these issues. Companies will not invest in places that they

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do not feel secure in the jtdicial process. I hear what he says, but I

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make it clear, I never shy `way from any opportunity to raise thdse

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not necessarily make the front pages not necessarily make the front pages

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of the newspapers, but I gu`rantee that these matters are raisdd by us

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and the MOD as well. Steven`ge is home of the Coptic Cathedral, and I

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am concerned about Coptic Christians in Egypt. Will be raised? I visited

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Cairo, -- Coptic churches. H raised Cairo, -- Coptic churches. H raised

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this matter. It will also bd raised during the visits in the next couple

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of days. In July 2013, after the military coup, the then Fordign

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Secretary said we cannot support military interventions in ddmocratic

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processes. The new regime sdems to be taking a completely diffdrent

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tack. What has happened since then is that the human rights record in

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Egypt's has plummeted. The Linister knows that there was a trial were

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520 death sentences were issued after one hour, 683 were issued

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without a single defendant being present. We do not hear abott it

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because 125 journalists are locked up. Canty understand that endorsing

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President Sisi is likely to make people more engaged with radical

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terrorism than the other wax around? -- cant he understand? I do not

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agree with her on the issue of elections and so forth, or the

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position of President Sisi. He was elected and have a referendtm as

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well. There are no parliamentary elections which have taken place in

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place on the 23rd of Novembdr, place on the 23rd of Novembdr,

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providing additional scrutiny to what the executive is doing. We take

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every opportunity to raise ` mass arrest, and on the issue of Al

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Jazeera journalists, 20 werd arrested in December 2013 and we

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took every opportunity to m`ke it clear that we had concerns `bout the

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manner of these arrests not least because two Britons were involved.

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They were convicted in absentia and we are now requesting a full pardon

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cleared. What assessment has he made cleared. What assessment has he made

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of how effective the parlialentary elections in Egypt's will bd -- in

:50:09.:50:18.

Egypt will be? And has he dhscussed this with President Sisi? The

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elections were well overdue and we are pleased that the first round of

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elections have actually takdn place. This is a new parliament, there is a

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lot of work to be done as they take footsteps and understanding how they

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need to hold the executive to account. I am pleased to sed that

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there will be a partnership scheme under Westminster foundation for

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democracy and indeed our own funds from the Commonwealth officd,

:50:49.:50:51.

providing financial assistance to help train and make sure thdy are as

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effective as possible in holding them to account. Can I commdnd my

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honourable friend for the work he is doing in this area, particularly

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encouraging human rights behng raised at every occasion. C`n he

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through the government for the through the government for the

:51:29.:51:47.

hospitality they are giving to so many thousands of refugees

:51:48.:51:48.

Syria. Egypt is not often mdntioned Syria. Egypt is not often mdntioned

:51:49.:51:48.

regarding bridal work -- vital work regarding bridal work -- vital work

:51:49.:51:49.

in this respect. There is a terrorism group in the

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Peninsula, and has pledged hts Peninsula, and has pledged hts

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allegiance to eyes -- Isil, and they are... Is this question, Mr Chris

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Bryant. Will bid Leader of the House give us business for next wdek? On

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Monday the ninth, we will do the remaining stages of the Scotland

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Bill. On Tuesday it will

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