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might look at churches in Ndw Cross to see what will be done. If she | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
will make a statement and activists and human rights in elections on the | :00:00. | :00:11. | |
8th of November. I thank her for raising this matter. At this | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
particularly important moment for Obama which goes to the polls on | :00:19. | :00:28. | |
Sunday. --Burma. It is the lost important moment by potenti`lly far | :00:29. | :00:42. | |
Burma in 50 years but we ard under no illusions these elections will be | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
perfect and human rights relain extremely troubling. Political | :00:45. | :00:53. | |
prisoners remain a great concern Burma in and we welcome the release | :00:54. | :01:03. | |
of prisoners and the 2012 commitment to release all political prhsoners | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
and that commitment remains unfulfilled. We are concerndd about | :01:06. | :01:13. | |
the continued arrests and ddtentions and sentencing of political | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
activists in the lead up to those elections on Sunday. We are | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
concerned about the estimatdd number which is a minimum of 96 relaining | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
behind bars at the end of Sdptember 2015, the most recent statistics we | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
have got and over 460 also detained under repressive laws awaithng trial | :01:32. | :01:39. | |
following their arrest throtghout the 2014 and 2015 period and as the | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
honourable lady will be aware the and they cannot campaign politically | :01:45. | :02:02. | |
while waiting trial. But I consider that a considerable concerns about | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
the freedom of expression dtring the lead up to the election. We continue | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
to have many concerns about the human rights situation in Btrma | :02:10. | :02:19. | |
Thousands of people remain housed in supposedly temporary camps following | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
the violence of 2012 when they were forced from their homes. Thd | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
situation these camps is desperate and worsening and we will continue | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
to hold the Burmese governmdnt to account, most recently the Right | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
Honourable member for East Devon raised his concerns with thd | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
Minister of the President's office when he visited in Burma in July. | :02:40. | :02:51. | |
And I am happy to be here in the House to add more flesh on the | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
debate given the elections on Thursday. -- on Sunday. I appreciate | :02:57. | :03:08. | |
that he is stepping in for the Minister and I did have a word with | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
them and he said he would bd in Luxembourg. The Minister mention the | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
fact that there are politic`l prisoners and the Thailand ,based | :03:16. | :03:24. | |
advocacy group believes that the many political prisoners and more | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
than 450 other people are w`iting trial and they say the actions of | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
the government have been intensified ahead of the polls with authorities | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
continuing to lock up activhsts in the month living up to the poll and | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
they say it is a great opportunity for the government to release all | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
the many political prisoners ahead of the election so these people can | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
participate in the historic polls. At the government really wants to | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
move forward to democracy nor political prisoners should be behind | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
bars. The director of the bhshops conference at the Justice and peace | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
commission said that locking up activists contravenes basic social | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
justice principles and scords of political prisoners remain behind | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
bars and the government has yet to move towards democracy. The | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
government still as Longleat amending the Draconian laws the | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
Saddlers activists. One man was arrested because it showed ` | :04:19. | :04:29. | |
photograph of a man wearing attire will Billy Mack stepping on a - to | :04:30. | :04:41. | |
a man wearing attire and stdpping on our portrait. And a woman sharing is | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
a typical picture on social media. He mentioned that the 96 political | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
prisoners still in prison btt he might be able to update the House on | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
another figure. Large parts of the Christian majority in a state of | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
civil war. More than 100,000 people have been displaced as a result of | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
the clashes and remain in tdmporary camps. The conflict shows that the | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
government has failed to deliver on its pledge to and armed clashes and | :05:12. | :05:24. | |
only eight out of the 15 groups involved in the agreement. @ | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
political analyst said that the fact only some of the countries `rmed | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
ethnic groups have signed the agreement shows that as mord of a | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
cosmetic political show rather than a historic benchmark and thd peace | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
process must be in goes above all ethnic armed groups and the | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
government has not allowed some ethnic groups to be allowed in the | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
ceasefire. Can the Minister update the House as to whether the | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
ceasefire agreement included all ethnic groups and are still a place | :05:54. | :06:09. | |
ahead of all -- the elections. It has been said that there ard | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
worrying trends of underminhng the democratic space and that is a clear | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
and need for legislative and democratic reform to bring the legal | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
framework in the country in line with international standards and | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
given this country's Inc investment in Burma this is of primary | :06:34. | :06:43. | |
importance. We had concerns about what is happening during thd | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
election so will the Ministdr ensure that he supports the United Nations | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
who call for all actors to work together to support reforms in Burma | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
and with that one third of the population, netting minoritx | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
background the eternally displaced people and as a franchisee people | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
all have to be part of that peace all have to be part of that peace | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
process to build that new n`tion that will encompass everybody after | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
the 8th of November. And finally will he report to the House? I thank | :07:14. | :07:21. | |
her for those questions and in relation to political prisoners it | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
is totally unacceptable to hmprison people in the run-up to the election | :07:29. | :07:37. | |
even if they are freed given that this happened 2012 present gave an | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
assertion that political prhsoners would be freed and much progress had | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
been made since that Presiddnt 012 to London but we have gone backwards | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
recently and getting precisd numbers out of Burma is difficult and the | :07:54. | :08:03. | |
recent numbers I gave out on the low side and other people we know about. | :08:04. | :08:12. | |
The trend is getting worse. In relation to the number of groups | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
that are signed up to the cdasefire, I believe it is eight out of 15 or | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
16 and that ceasefire is broadly still in place and if I havd any | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
more information that I will perhaps come back to that later. Inhalation | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
to the United Nations who whll clearly continue to work closely | :08:32. | :08:38. | |
with the United Nations -- we will clearly continue to work closely | :08:39. | :08:46. | |
with the United Nations and we will work in the country and in New York. | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
In relation to Parliamentarx Englishman that have been oral | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
questions over the last few months -- Parliamentary engagement. There | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
have been over 60 questions and bought this House and the other | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
place and it is very encour`ging that we keep up that medication | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
highlighting the issue and hs part of that the government would like to | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
continue that type of reporting and will report back to the House, | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
particularly following the dlections on Sunday. Mr Speaker, you very | :09:18. | :09:28. | |
kindly hosted a roundtable leeting on Burma earlier this week was the | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
honourable lady has already referred to and I was shocked to read about | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
the whole scale disenfranchhsement of people from the elections. | :09:39. | :09:45. | |
I thank him for his advocacx on this issue. One of the right honourable | :09:46. | :10:03. | |
people visited Burma, to look at the situation of the Rohingya pdople, | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
who are oppressed and denied any who are oppressed and denied any | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
democratic voice. It is somdthing the government are concerned about | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
Andrei is on a consistent b`sis with the current government and will | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
continue to do so with any future government. The situation of the | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
Rohingya people is something we want Rohingya people is something we want | :10:29. | :10:40. | |
to improve. I thank the Member for Walsall North following closely on | :10:41. | :10:42. | |
her excellent debate on this issue towards progress for a bettdr fume | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
and I and better elections hn Burma. There is an enormous amount of | :10:48. | :10:49. | |
interest across the chamber and on interest across the chamber and on | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
the other place. The people of Burma have faced decades of route all | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
oppression. In a few days they will have their first openly contested | :11:02. | :11:14. | |
election. In the previous prisoner amnesty which took place in October | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
2014, when thousands were rdleased before Burma hosted two major | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
summits, there were reports of an summits, there were reports of an | :11:23. | :11:32. | |
upsurge in arrests. Mayan,'s authorities have a record of | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
announcing prisoner amnesty is at opportune times, and they mtst | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
convince as this is more th`n just a gesture. What steps can be taken to | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
ensure this is a lasting legacy The ensure this is a lasting legacy The | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
opposition leader has criticised the process, saying it has been less | :11:55. | :11:55. | |
than totally free and there, that than totally free and there, that | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
the electoral commission has failed to deal with some irregularhties. | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
Does the Minister share her concerns and has she raised them with the | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
government? He will also be aware, as has been stated, the Rohhngya and | :12:09. | :12:19. | |
some Christian minorities are not being classed as citizens. Does he | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
agree it is wrong that their voice will not be heard? What steps are | :12:27. | :12:38. | |
being taken? On Sunday it whll be for the Bernd Wiesberger will to | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
decide on their election, btt I know that the House will share whth them | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
and watch hopefully looking on so that the elections can be f`irer, | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
free and we can have a peacdful outcome, leading towards grdater | :12:52. | :13:01. | |
human rights. Certainly the eyes of the world than this chamber are on | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
the elections to ensure thex are free to. She was very balanced and | :13:09. | :13:09. | |
her comments, that the fear that her comments, that the fear that | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
things might go wrong and there are other issues with the electhon, but | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
the optimism that this is an opportunity, the biggest opportunity | :13:20. | :13:36. | |
for a 3 under election -- fdar and free election. | :13:37. | :13:43. | |
To this Rohingya, they simply will not be heard, they do not h`ve the | :13:44. | :13:52. | |
suspect it troubles all honourable suspect it troubles all honourable | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
members when we're in our own members when we're in our | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
constituencies in election time when constituencies in election time when | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
people do not vote but have some form of voice, and the right | :14:03. | :14:15. | |
spoke to the Rohingya and wd will spoke to the Rohingya and wd will | :14:16. | :14:48. | |
continue to encourage for their continue to encourage for their | :14:49. | :14:49. | |
for Sunday, but hopefully wd can for Sunday, but hopefully wd can | :14:50. | :14:49. | |
build on a strong election on Sunday build on a strong election on Sunday | :14:50. | :14:50. | |
and build the one that incltdes the Muslim population of the Rohingya, | :14:51. | :14:51. | |
represent the entire population It represent the entire population It | :14:52. | :14:52. | |
is a pleasure to see the Minister at the dispatch box. Burma has been a | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
considerable interest to thd entire House, including you, sir, for many | :14:57. | :15:08. | |
influence change in Burma? How do we influence change in Burma? How do we | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
go about it? I thank him for that question. Diplomacy is incrddibly | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
complicated. One thing I have learned in my short time in the | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
Foreign Office, sometimes dhplomacy Foreign Office, sometimes dhplomacy | :15:25. | :15:37. | |
is the best way. It is sometimes difficult to pinpoint exactly what | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
was done to release prisoners in 2012, but it is a menu of Vdrity | :15:42. | :15:49. | |
including campaigning groups outside of this place and individuals within | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
this place, but certainly from a ministerial viewpoint, raishng the | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
subject on a consistent bashs, not letting other short-term interest | :16:00. | :16:15. | |
get in the way. At the same time, other things do Carry On. It is | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
getting the right balance and focus and message, and that is having some | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
success. It is very encouraging to have the elections on Sundax, but we | :16:22. | :16:44. | |
do have concerns and clearlx we all need to do more. Many thanks, and | :16:45. | :17:05. | |
thank you to the honourable lady for dealing with this important | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
question. We also have concdrns that this weekend's elections must be | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
free and fair. Human Rights Watch yesterday identified concerns over | :17:12. | :17:11. | |
the elect to roll process bding the elect to roll process bding | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
structural problem, including the structural problem, including the | :17:14. | :17:14. | |
lack of election commission, discriminatory voter registration | :17:15. | :17:23. | |
laws. Civil society monitors will cover less than one third of | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
townships. Given these very serious concerns, we urge that the | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
government communicate and press the Bernd Wiesberger and to eng`ge in | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
real progressive reform in terms of the elections, and continue to bring | :17:40. | :17:47. | |
this very important issue in the communications that they have. I | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
would very much support the honourable lady in | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
greater progressive reform hn greater progressive reform hn | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
relation to the election. It is an anathema to us in this Housd to | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
think that the seats in this chamber might be filled by military | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
generals, 25% of the seats. This is not something that is recognised as | :18:14. | :18:21. | |
issues with the media in thd United issues with the media in thd United | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
Kingdom, but it is fair to say that managed to do a lot more in | :18:28. | :18:27. | |
regard. Regarding the electhons the regard. Regarding the electhons the | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
structure of the election commission, more work to be done, | :18:31. | :18:41. | |
but the EU did deploy a comlission, which was extensive, over 100 able | :18:42. | :18:57. | |
deputy chief observer is a British deputy chief observer is a British | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
national, which is something we should be proud of. Can I wdlcome | :19:03. | :19:10. | |
the opportunity for the Member for Walsall South for raising the | :19:11. | :19:18. | |
points. It is fantastic to see the Minister back in the House. We have | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
spoken about the influence Britain spoken about the influence Britain | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
has the beer. A comment posted on has the beer. A comment posted on | :19:29. | :19:44. | |
the Facebook page has been seen by 150,000 people to encourage them to | :19:45. | :19:46. | |
go out to vote. Would he agree with me that whatever the situathon in | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
Burma, the only way they will affect a change in the country is to go out | :19:53. | :20:00. | |
and use their vote however they see fit, but that is the way to move to | :20:01. | :20:10. | |
a more democratic country? Thank you for welcoming me back to thd House. | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
I do not think I had the cotrtesy to welcome him to the Commons, but it | :20:14. | :20:22. | |
is a pleasure. Hearing from his experience, I am going to ldave the | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
chamber and tweaked a copy of my speech. It is clear that social | :20:30. | :20:39. | |
media is picked up in a way that picking it up in paper form does not | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
achieve. Social media allows people to access this type of information | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
and I look forward to him to eating back. -- tweeting. Minister may want | :20:51. | :21:08. | |
to respond now or in writing. In relation to the human rights | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
periodic review recommendathons could he inform the House what | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
progress has been made in ensuring independence... I am more than happy | :21:20. | :21:38. | |
to raise issues with the UN special reporter and understand the forum | :21:39. | :21:49. | |
multipronged attack to try to multipronged attack to try to | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
improve the situation and I think the engagement would be an hmportant | :21:56. | :22:03. | |
part of that. My honourable friend said a little earlier that Burma has | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
regressed backwards from 2002. I am wondering what travel advicd does | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
the Foreign Office give to those people considering going to Burma | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
from the United Kingdom for holidays and recreation? I would advhse | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
anyone looking at travel advice to look at the Foreign Office website, | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
particularly in places like Burma, where there is a significant events | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
happening on Sunday, travel arrangements could change qtickly. | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
Having spoken to consular staff yesterday, the consular support is | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
one of the best around the world and the advices bang up-to-date and if | :22:48. | :22:55. | |
things change hourly, it is the best placed to look. Could I welcome my | :22:56. | :23:11. | |
honourable friend back to this place. His parents in law used to | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
live in my constituency while one of them was a councillor in Plxmouth. | :23:17. | :23:17. | |
Coming in this morning, I hdard that Coming in this morning, I hdard that | :23:18. | :23:29. | |
the military in Burma were suggesting that if the opposition | :23:30. | :23:31. | |
wins the election, they would not allow her to become president. Could | :23:32. | :23:40. | |
he comment on that? His lobbying in Zimbabwe shows no bound. In relation | :23:41. | :23:58. | |
to what will happen, she stood as a member of Parliament in 2012, and is | :23:59. | :24:34. | |
standing again on Sunday before taking a position in governlent The | :24:35. | :24:34. | |
government would need to be formed by February, and there | :24:35. | :24:35. | |
constitutional bars that will make constitutional bars that will | :24:36. | :24:35. | |
it difficult for her to takd up the it difficult for her to takd up the | :24:36. | :24:35. | |
role of president, particul`rly in role of president, particul`rly in | :24:36. | :24:36. | |
the Constitution it was said that if the Constitution it was said that if | :24:37. | :24:36. | |
non-passports, you cannot bd non-passports, you cannot bd | :24:37. | :24:37. | |
specifically the bar Aung S`n Suu specifically the bar Aung S`n Suu | :24:38. | :24:37. | |
Kyi from taking the presidency if she was elected. In this case, the | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
Constitution does not follow democratic and suppose, and we | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
should encourage the people of Burma to move towards it, whether between | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
the 8th of November and February balance can be found, but I noted | :24:53. | :25:02. | |
her statement earlier that, if victorious and the need for | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
democracy won, she intended to govern. Regardless of the | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
Constitution, I think peopld should take note of the Democratic will of | :25:14. | :25:14. | |
the people. This response and for his initial | :25:15. | :25:26. | |
statement and join colleaguds in warmly welcoming the Warner | :25:27. | :25:34. | |
Honourable gentleman back to the House. Can I ask the Ministdr to | :25:35. | :25:50. | |
make a question on the visit by the Egyptian president to London and his | :25:51. | :26:00. | |
statement on thes possession of the death penalty. We welcomed President | :26:01. | :26:13. | |
Sisi to London and the Primd Minister will make and disctss a | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
range of issues including how to contact terrorism in the region and | :26:19. | :26:27. | |
how to help Egypt succeed as a prosperous and democratic country. | :26:28. | :26:34. | |
It is no secret we want to see more political progress in Egypt and | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
freedom of expression and protection of rights and more space for civil | :26:41. | :26:49. | |
society. These freedoms are essential for long-term stability in | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
Egypt. That metaphor and diplomacy is not a way to succeed in putting | :26:56. | :27:03. | |
our views across. We need to have frank and honest conversations and | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
visit provides an opportunity for the pro Minister to exercisd his | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
desire to see more political progress in Egypt including on | :27:12. | :27:19. | |
political rights and freedols which are essential foundations for | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
long-term stability. So we welcome the recent Parliamentary eldctions | :27:25. | :27:33. | |
in Egypt as a an important step in restoring its vertical suggdstions | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
and the Egyptian people holding the government to account. The new | :27:38. | :27:40. | |
Parliament should have a vital responsibility in building tp vital | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
and prosperous and democrathc country. We are working with | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
officials from the Egyptian Parliament to help prepare ht for | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
the new session and to help continue this cooperation after elections. | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
Since President Sisi was eldcted in May 2014 we have raised concerns | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
over a number of human rights issues including the large number of death | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
sentences and prosecution of international journalists. The UK | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
respect the independence of the Egyptian judiciary but we rdmain | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
concerned about judicial processes which result in mass sentences and | :28:21. | :28:33. | |
result in a lack of due process and these damage the reputation of the | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
judiciary immediate and unddrmine international confidence in the fair | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
application of law. The United Kingdom opposes the death pdnalty in | :28:42. | :28:44. | |
all circumstances as a mattdr of principle. We have and will continue | :28:45. | :28:52. | |
to raise concerns and misle`ding meetings and in the human rhghts | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
council and we hope this visit to the UK will be an opportunity to | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
hold an open dialogue on all issues and develop a programme of practical | :29:02. | :29:10. | |
cooperation for the future. On the issue of human rights in issue Egypt | :29:11. | :29:24. | |
he will be aware of a number of concerns just as condemning to death | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
of ex-president and a man bden given three years in prison for announcing | :29:30. | :29:37. | |
he was an atheist and therefore denouncing Islam. Sir Simon McDonald | :29:38. | :29:46. | |
said that answering as perm`nent Secretary although it is ond of the | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
things we follow it is not one of our top priorities. I would not | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
dispute that right now the prosperity agenda is further up the | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
list of priorities. World Mhnister take this opportunity to confirm | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
that the government is not downgrading human rights in favour | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
of trade and relation to thd adage teenager who may be subject to the | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
death penalty, and my right honourable friend the member for | :30:12. | :30:19. | |
octane Shetland Meta sisters yesterday, has he raised thhs case | :30:20. | :30:27. | |
directly with President Sish? Regarding faith issues were the | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
Prime Minister raise issues with him about different faiths is bding | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
persecuted in Egypt such as Coptic Christians. Will he have th`t frank | :30:39. | :30:45. | |
and honest conversation with President Sisi and press hil to | :30:46. | :30:52. | |
commit to an end to the death penalty, political detentions and | :30:53. | :31:00. | |
mass trial and torture in Egypt He races are a very important hssues | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
and I can see on both my opportunity to meet the president and the | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
Foreign Minister and Prime Linister, many of these matters will be | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
raised. He does mention right up front perhaps a priority th`t | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
Britain places on the issue of human rights self I may clarify the | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
remarks made by Simon McDon`ld. It is now argue that we raise human | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
rights as a matter of coursd. It is not instead of but it is part of the | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
package and part of the process that every time I going to meeting our | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
every time my right honourable friend from the department of | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
international element goes hnto meeting we raise these mattdrs and | :31:40. | :31:42. | |
that is part of the broad brush of areas of concern that we rahse, not | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
just the prosperity and agenda as well. We have raised concerns about | :31:47. | :31:57. | |
the legal process not vertical - particular case. We have concerns | :31:58. | :32:05. | |
for the roll-out of these m`ss trials and the need to meet | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
international standards. Specifically he mentions Ibrahim | :32:09. | :32:22. | |
Malawa. The Irish government is taking the lead but we are hn touch | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
with them. In order to ensure the countries are able to take the | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
necessary steps of reform particularly after a decade of | :32:33. | :32:46. | |
turbulence that Egypt has endured it is absolutely right that we press on | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
these matters and human rights that are forward thinking in asshsting | :32:50. | :32:59. | |
Egypt in a variety of number of ways. I agree with the Minister and | :33:00. | :33:08. | |
his definition of the interdst of Britain in a relationship whth Egypt | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
but often conducting diplom`cy require some ugly compromisds with | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
our values. Whilst I accept that practical engagement with Egypt is | :33:19. | :33:27. | |
essential and is the largest country in the Arab world by some dhstance. | :33:28. | :33:37. | |
And some would claim in 2013 that the then general Sisi reclahmed | :33:38. | :33:48. | |
stability for Egypt in removing the president from office. But nobody | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
should been any doubt what the price has been and possibly of people were | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
killed when the squares werd cleared and 40,000 hour prison and we have | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
had reports and seen death penalty is being handed out in batches of | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
several hundred. Many of us will have had first-hand testimony of | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
people being tortured in thd Egyptian justice system. I `m not | :34:13. | :34:20. | |
entirely sure that inviting President Sisi to the United Kingdom | :34:21. | :34:27. | |
is necessarily wholly appropriate at this time until those issues are | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
properly addressed and some accountability for the condtct of | :34:32. | :34:41. | |
the operation of policy since. Well it is necessary to give thel advice | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
privately about the possibld via our presenting to us by the scale of the | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
suppression which could then have the effect of widening the | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
insurgency they face and thd support for the most extreme forms of | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
Islamist jihad is in the whole region. It has been reported that | :35:03. | :35:10. | |
the Foreign Office were not exactly enthusiastic for this visit but the | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
decision was made in ten Downing St and I wonder if the Minister would | :35:15. | :35:21. | |
like to comment on that. I'l very grateful for his statement. I am not | :35:22. | :35:29. | |
sure whether he speaks as an individual but I hope it dods and | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
not as German as the foreign affairs select committee books I'm not sure | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
they would be in agreement dxactly with everything he said. -- I'm not | :35:40. | :35:48. | |
certain. The Foreign Office is very much in support of this visht and he | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
began best stating the diffhculties that Egypt is facing at the moment. | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
Egypt is very difficult neck of the woods with the problems we're facing | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
in Libya and the problems wd're facing in Gaza as well. He `lso | :36:01. | :36:07. | |
mentions this is the largest Arab country in the region and often we | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
are eating goes other Arab countries follow and it is important that we | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
help Egypt take those footsteps to a democratic place. That is why the | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
Prime Minister invited Sisi President to this country so that we | :36:23. | :36:31. | |
can have that dialogue to encourage up asperity agenda but also to | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
encourage importance of polhtical reform and that is how we c`n help | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
Egypt succeed in taking those steps towards a stable and prosperous and | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
democratic place. When I first of all thank the honourable melber for | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
Carshalton and Wellington for raising this issue? -- Wellhngton. | :36:55. | :37:03. | |
When the original demonstrations take place in 2011 was a grdat sense | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
of hope and expectation for a better of hope and expectation for a | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
future on the part of the pdople and future on the part of the pdople and | :37:16. | :37:16. | |
events since then have dashdd these hopes. We all want to see stability | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
in Egypt in the wider Middld East and the House will be only too aware | :37:21. | :37:27. | |
of the terrorist threat in Dgypt given the possible cause of the | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
Russian plane crash but does the Minister think that securitx is | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
furthered by the mass arrests and trials that we have seen since | :37:35. | :37:42. | |
President Sisi seized power? Amnesty International have assessed the tens | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
of thousands of people are currently detained in a crackdown on dissent | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
that is targeted alleged supporters of the banned Muslim brotherhood and | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
human rights activists and perceived opponents of the government and | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
journalists. As the Mr recehved assurances that British and other | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
journalists are free to operate in Egypt? Mass trials have seen courts | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
are free to operate in Egypt? Mass trials have seen Courtown down death | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
sentences including on the former president long prison sentences | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
What assessment has the govdrnment made of the fairness of those trials | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
given the concerns that had been expressed about the lack of proper | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
legal representation and thd wholly inadequate opportunities to present | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
a defence? There are also rdports of torture being used against those | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
being detained including thd use of sexual violence against womdn. As | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
the government seen these rdports and if so what specific | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
recommendations have been m`de to the Egyptian government? Thd | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
Minister said the premise that will be raising a range of issues with | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
the Minister today and can he confirmed the Prime Minister will be | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
raising all of these specifhc human rights issues with President Sisi | :38:54. | :39:00. | |
during the discussions todax? And finally will those discussions also | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
cover the status of the Moose, brotherhood and the United Kingdom | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
and if so can the Minister tell the House when the review carridd out by | :39:08. | :39:17. | |
John Jenkins will be published? Firstly can I thank her for her | :39:18. | :39:24. | |
observations and questions `nd I welcome her to this place. That is | :39:25. | :39:32. | |
much we can agree on and we want to see a stable Egypt and other huge | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
concerns expressed about thd terrorism is situation that the | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
country actually faces which has been underlined by the Russhan plane | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
incident where there will bd a statement in more detail following. | :39:45. | :40:03. | |
Had in the protest law, and also the anti-terror law, which is | :40:04. | :40:13. | |
specifically where a eejit hs facing a terrorist threat, but that should | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
freedoms of normal people -, Egypt. freedoms of normal people -, Egypt. | :40:17. | :40:32. | |
The key findings will be published shortly, and on the question of the | :40:33. | :40:34. | |
agenda with the Prime Minister, all I can say is that there is nothing | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
which is off the table from that perspective. As chairman of the | :40:38. | :40:49. | |
all-party Egypt group, may H disagree with my honourable friend | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
and say that we warmly welcome the visit of the president, and we think | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
it is a tremendous opportunhty for the United Kingdom to engagd for all | :41:00. | :41:15. | |
the reasons he has set out. Egypt has done work in trying to bring | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
about a solution between Israel and the Palestinians. Would he not agree | :41:21. | :41:27. | |
that it is important for thd British Government to give its expertise in | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
counterterrorism because Egxpt is under serious threat, and of course | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
human rights and democracy `re essential, but stability in Egypt is | :41:37. | :41:46. | |
a precondition of human rights. Can I welcome my right honourable friend | :41:47. | :41:53. | |
to his position as chairman of the group. Can I say that I was | :41:54. | :42:05. | |
personally involved in making sure that he and I and other members will | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
have the opportunity as parliamentarians to meet Barack | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
Obama one to raise many of these issues that have been brought up | :42:16. | :42:23. | |
today. He speaks appropriatdly about Egypt's wider role, the | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
bring together peace and parties, bring together peace and parties, | :42:27. | :42:34. | |
and we attended a meeting in Cairo as part of the donor conferdnce | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
which was an accused of by Barack Obama one himself -- | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
and initiative of president Sisi. I thank him for bringing this | :42:49. | :43:03. | |
important question to the House and I thank the Minister for his answer. | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
A stable Egypt is vital for the wider region, but we cannot support | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
stability at all costs. We do not just have a humanitarian | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
Egypt to stand up for human rights Egypt to stand up for human rights | :43:19. | :43:26. | |
in their country, we also h`ve a responsibility to promote it in this | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
country, because this would inherently create a more st`ble | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
Egypt. What assurances can he get that human rights in Egypt will | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
remain on the agenda today, given reports this morning that the UK | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
Government's decision to suspend flights to the tourist resort means | :43:47. | :43:56. | |
they will be less resect -- are likely to be less receptive to | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
discussions? I pay tribute to her expertise in this area, but when | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
this statement is released, it will become apparent that we are | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
conflating two separate isstes. conflating two separate isstes. | :44:11. | :44:18. | |
There is a security threat to deal There is a security threat to deal | :44:19. | :44:18. | |
with flights, which is why they have been suspended. That is sep`rate to | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
the commitment in encouraging advancement in human rights, but | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
also the prosperity agenda `s well. So I hope it is not the casd that | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
the urgency of us having to deal with looking after and making sure | :44:34. | :44:34. | |
British citizens are secured a broad British citizens are secured a broad | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
does not affect the importance of this visit taking place. Dods my | :44:40. | :44:49. | |
right honourable friend agrde that we need stronger relationshhps with | :44:50. | :44:52. | |
countries in the Middle East, therefore it is right we ard | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
engaging in dialogue with President Sisi. As expressed by my honourable | :44:57. | :45:07. | |
friend, stability in Egypt hs far preferable to chaos in the region | :45:08. | :45:16. | |
and for our own security. She articulates the exact questhon that | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
many countries and governments have to ask themselves, how best to be | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
influence and exert changing countries taking steps forw`rd, or | :45:24. | :45:30. | |
encourage to take steps forward One way of doing it is by shouthng from | :45:31. | :45:37. | |
afar and the other is by engaging with them and having privatd | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
conversations and providing assistance and expertise, which we | :45:42. | :45:44. | |
can take to the country to lake sure we can facilitate change th`t way. | :45:45. | :45:51. | |
Is it -- it is not so open `nd overt, but I can see change taking | :45:52. | :45:59. | |
place through that way. Can I also commend the honourable membdr for | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
bringing this matter to the floor of the House. The Foreign and | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
Commonwealth Office may havd set priorities which mean that Chrissy | :46:09. | :46:15. | |
rights have more priority. Stability rights have more priority. Stability | :46:16. | :46:29. | |
and prosperity inevitably follows, and a government founded on | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
oppression and denial of hulan rights will never be a stable | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
government. Will he assure the House that the Foreign Office will review | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
its priorities and put democracy and respect for human rights at the top | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
of this list of priorities? At the beginning of this year, I h`d the | :46:50. | :46:51. | |
honour of taking 50 companids on a delegation to Cairo, and visited the | :46:52. | :46:59. | |
new Suez Canal as well. It was during the meetings they ard that we | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
could raise these issues. Companies will not invest in places that they | :47:04. | :47:15. | |
do not feel secure in the jtdicial process. I hear what he says, but I | :47:16. | :47:48. | |
make it clear, I never shy `way from any opportunity to raise thdse | :47:49. | :48:08. | |
not necessarily make the front pages not necessarily make the front pages | :48:09. | :48:09. | |
of the newspapers, but I gu`rantee that these matters are raisdd by us | :48:10. | :48:10. | |
and the MOD as well. Steven`ge is home of the Coptic Cathedral, and I | :48:11. | :48:11. | |
am concerned about Coptic Christians in Egypt. Will be raised? I visited | :48:12. | :48:12. | |
Cairo, -- Coptic churches. H raised Cairo, -- Coptic churches. H raised | :48:13. | :48:13. | |
this matter. It will also bd raised during the visits in the next couple | :48:14. | :48:14. | |
of days. In July 2013, after the military coup, the then Fordign | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
Secretary said we cannot support military interventions in ddmocratic | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
processes. The new regime sdems to be taking a completely diffdrent | :48:24. | :48:29. | |
tack. What has happened since then is that the human rights record in | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
Egypt's has plummeted. The Linister knows that there was a trial were | :48:34. | :48:40. | |
520 death sentences were issued after one hour, 683 were issued | :48:41. | :48:47. | |
without a single defendant being present. We do not hear abott it | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
because 125 journalists are locked up. Canty understand that endorsing | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
President Sisi is likely to make people more engaged with radical | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
terrorism than the other wax around? -- cant he understand? I do not | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
agree with her on the issue of elections and so forth, or the | :49:13. | :49:17. | |
position of President Sisi. He was elected and have a referendtm as | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
well. There are no parliamentary elections which have taken place in | :49:23. | :49:25. | |
place on the 23rd of Novembdr, place on the 23rd of Novembdr, | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
providing additional scrutiny to what the executive is doing. We take | :49:30. | :49:38. | |
every opportunity to raise ` mass arrest, and on the issue of Al | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
Jazeera journalists, 20 werd arrested in December 2013 and we | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
took every opportunity to m`ke it clear that we had concerns `bout the | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
manner of these arrests not least because two Britons were involved. | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
They were convicted in absentia and we are now requesting a full pardon | :49:57. | :50:02. | |
cleared. What assessment has he made cleared. What assessment has he made | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
of how effective the parlialentary elections in Egypt's will bd -- in | :50:09. | :50:18. | |
Egypt will be? And has he dhscussed this with President Sisi? The | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
elections were well overdue and we are pleased that the first round of | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
elections have actually takdn place. This is a new parliament, there is a | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
lot of work to be done as they take footsteps and understanding how they | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
need to hold the executive to account. I am pleased to sed that | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
there will be a partnership scheme under Westminster foundation for | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
democracy and indeed our own funds from the Commonwealth officd, | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
providing financial assistance to help train and make sure thdy are as | :50:52. | :50:59. | |
effective as possible in holding them to account. Can I commdnd my | :51:00. | :51:06. | |
honourable friend for the work he is doing in this area, particularly | :51:07. | :51:14. | |
encouraging human rights behng raised at every occasion. C`n he | :51:15. | :51:28. | |
through the government for the through the government for the | :51:29. | :51:47. | |
hospitality they are giving to so many thousands of refugees | :51:48. | :51:48. | |
Syria. Egypt is not often mdntioned Syria. Egypt is not often mdntioned | :51:49. | :51:48. | |
regarding bridal work -- vital work regarding bridal work -- vital work | :51:49. | :51:49. | |
in this respect. There is a terrorism group in the | :51:50. | :51:49. | |
Peninsula, and has pledged hts Peninsula, and has pledged hts | :51:50. | :52:02. | |
allegiance to eyes -- Isil, and they are... Is this question, Mr Chris | :52:03. | :52:14. | |
Bryant. Will bid Leader of the House give us business for next wdek? On | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
Monday the ninth, we will do the remaining stages of the Scotland | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
Bill. On Tuesday it will | :52:23. | :52:23. |