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As we come to the childcare bill, I have to remind the house that Mr | :00:00. | :00:15. | |
Speaker has certified clauses two, four, and six of the childcare bill | :00:16. | :00:24. | |
Lords understanding order number 83 J in relation to England. I further | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
remind the house this does not affect proceedings in the debate on | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
second reading or in committee or at report stage. After report stage, Mr | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
Speaker will consider the bill again for certification and if acquired | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
the legislative grants committee will be asked to consent to | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
certified provisions. The clerk will now proceed to read the orders of | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
the day. Childcare bill Lords, second reading. Secretary of State, | :00:54. | :01:02. | |
Nicky Morgan. Madam Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the bill be now read a | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
second time, I am delighted to be opening the second reading debate of | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
the childcare bill. At the general election, the prime minister | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
promised a Conservative government would give working parents of three | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
and four-year-olds 30 hours of free childcare week. We put the early | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
years at the heart of the manifesto because we know how important these | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
years are for children's school readiness and future educational | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
success. We also know that working families struggle to find flexible | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
affordable and high-quality childcare. For many parents, the | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
challenge is the biggest barrier to work. I am determined and this | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
government is determined to deliver these measures which will give | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
children the best start in life, support parents to work, and as a | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
result allow our economy and society to prosper. We brought forward this | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
bill so we can give working parents the extra 15 hours free childcare in | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
addition to the current 15 hours of free early education for all three | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
and four-year-olds. The 30 hours that will give hard-working parents | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
a real choice to earn more by going to work core working more hours if | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
they want to do so. We have not wasted any time on delivering on | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
this commitment. Just one month after the election we introduced | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
legislation to the other place and launched a review into the cost of | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
providing childcare, something providers had long been calling for | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
to inform a fair and sustainable funding rate. I thank her for giving | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
way. She rightly says she wants to make sure her measures are | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
delivering for all children, how will she make sure that this bill | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
delivers for disabled children in terms of their access to childcare | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
which can be so important for helping parents who want to go back | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
to work? I thank her for that question, she raises an important | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
point. We want local authorities to ensure they provide places for all | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
children, those with disabilities and those without. Of course the | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
fact this childcare bill and 15 hours additional is part of a | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
package of childcare measures being introduced by this government. The | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
Chancellor has taught today about the fact we are spending over ?1 | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
billion more on child care every year over the rest of the | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
parliament. So, we will be conducting early years funding | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
formula reviews and we want to understand how providers cater for | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
children with disabilities and special needs as part of that. I | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
also point out that the tax-free childcare proposals mean the maximum | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
amount parents can pay into the childcare counts is doubled and they | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
can use the money for children with disabilities up to age 18. I hope | :04:11. | :04:18. | |
she agrees we are offering a comprehensive package of childcare | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
support for all children and families. | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
I am very grateful for what the Secretary of State has said. Can she | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
reassured nursery providers in my constituency that there will be a | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
fairer funding formula? We have heard that a few moments ago, but | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
for childcare providers, this is important. I am delighted to hear | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
about the work of the nursery my honourable friend talks about. The | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
national funding formula review will apply not only to schools but also | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
to early years, and it will include the high needs block of funding as | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
well. Could I ask my right honourable friend, it is good that | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
this doubling of hours for childcare is happening. How will we ensure | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
that the quality of the childcare that our children will receive will | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
be doubled up? How will we ensure that there will be sufficient | :05:24. | :05:30. | |
places, and of the right quality? He raises an important point. We are | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
doubling the entitlement, and we know that the sector has already | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
responded, with the introduction of free places for two-year roles, for | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
the most disadvantaged. The sector responded by creating an extra | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
230,000 places in the last Parliament. Coming on to talk about | :05:51. | :05:58. | |
how families will respond to this entitlement, and how they will use | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
both -- those additional hours. We know there is capacity in the | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
system. I wonder if the right honourable lady could correct me if | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
I am wrong, which is the maximum amount of money in this statement | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
will be ?5,000 per child. If it is term time only, it is 1140 hours. In | :06:20. | :06:29. | |
my constituency, where costs are ?9 an hour, the amount per hour is not | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
going to be sufficient. I will come on to talk about hourly rate. Of | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
course, as part of the funding formula review, we want to make sure | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
that as much money is going to the front line as possible. Providers | :06:47. | :06:54. | |
are already working with them. The Secretary of State is right to talk | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
about the fairer funding formula, which is vital for nurseries. What | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
measures is she putting in place to guarantee that local authorities | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
will pass on all this extra funding to the nursery providers and not top | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
slice it? Honourable gentleman is right. We want to see as much money | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
going to the front line as possible, and that will be one of the | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
questions we will be asking as part of the funding formula review. I | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
will make some progress. I want to talk about rates. The honourable | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
lady opposite is on the record of saying that she is pleased to see | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
that the government is offering more support for early years and would | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
like to see our policies turned into reality. Today she has the chance to | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
demonstrate her support by supporting this bill tonight, and it | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
looks like she is going to be doing that. I welcome the support of the | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
party opposite. There were questions party opposite. There were questions | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
raised in the other place about why this bill was introduced so early. | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
Why would we wait? It is clear from the interest of members today how | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
successful and import of the existing 15 hours offer is in | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
supporting better outcomes for children. The latest OECD study | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
reminds us that the UK is one of 13 OECD countries in which more than 9% | :08:24. | :08:37. | |
of children aged three -- more than a high percentage of children are | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
involved in early years education. Free childcare is something that | :08:42. | :08:49. | |
many parents want. We know that this is what parents want because we have | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
listened to them. My Department consulted with nearly 20,000 members | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
of the public and 750 employers. Those who took part told us they | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
wanted more than 30 hours of free childcare. I heard this myself on | :09:05. | :09:14. | |
the visit to Royals Royce -- Rolls Royce. Employees talked to us about | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
childcare decisions and what they are looking for with the entitlement | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
of 30 hours of free childcare. I would like to thank them for sharing | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
their views. They want more flexibility and choice in how they | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
can access childcare. I want to ensure there is high quality and | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
affordable childcare available to those parents, to reduce pressure on | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
household budgets and ensure they are better to plan for their future. | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
I am confident we have a child care sector that will deliver. The | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
childcare market is flourishing and has grown by 230,000 places since | :09:52. | :09:59. | |
2009. Would my right honourable friend agree that the 130 inch | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
childminders who create hundreds of places in Portsmouth make a big | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
difference to the quality of childcare, and will there be | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
measures put in place to support them, with administration in | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
particular? Childcare I childminders is very much part of the respond. | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
They are popular and flexible, and one of the things we have done in | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
the course of the last Parliament is offered the childcare business | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
support grants, which allows people to set up in business as | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
childminders, often women, often setting up in business for the first | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
time. We welcome their contribution to this market. Providers have | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
demonstrated what they can do with nearly 60% of eligible children | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
accessing a place at the beginning of this year. Now we will increase | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
our overall investment in the childcare sector, and set an | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
increased funding rate, which will enable providers to deliver the | :11:02. | :11:08. | |
care. The Chancellor of the care has just set out in his Autumn | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
Statement, and could not have demonstrated more clearly the | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
government's commitment to childcare. We have invested billions | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
of pounds to supporting parents with childcare. This government will go | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
even further, and invest a record amount in childcare. We will provide | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
more support than any other government in history, including tax | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
free childcare being rolled out for 2017, and more support for families | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
on Universal Credit. Working families will be entitled to receive | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
an unprecedented increase in childcare support, saving up to | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
?5,000 per child per year for working families. We will be | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
investing more than ?1 billion a year to fund our manifesto pledge | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
for 30 hours of childcare for working parents of three and | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
four-year-olds. We were the only party at the general election to | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
commit to raising the average funding rate paid to providers. | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
Today we are confirming we will do so. I will just make some progress. | :12:20. | :12:28. | |
The increase in funding includes nearly ?300 million for a | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
significant uplift to the rate paid with two, three and four-year-olds | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
entitlements. This will introduce a new rate paid to providers, which | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
will increase by 30p an hour. ?4 88 is the amount for three and | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
four-year-olds, and ?5 39 is the rate for two. We have set a rate of | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
funding that providers need to deliver high-quality childcare, and | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
delivering good value to the taxpayer. We will consult on a | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
package of reforms to improve efficiency in the sector. I can | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
confirm that the early years agreement will not change, it is | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
worth ?20 million in 2015-16, helping to ensure that three and | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
four-year-old from disadvantaged families have the best start in | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
life. The increase in funding is supported by the robust review into | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
childcare carried out in the last six months. That review is being | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
published today. I would like to thank those who responded to the | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
call for evidence as part of that review, and those who attended | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
discussions. The participation engagement for organisations | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
including the Independent schools Council and other key partners meant | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
we could fully understand the concerns and arguments around the | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
funding of the entitlement. We are committed to ensuring funding is | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
allocated in the fairest way. Next year, we will consult on an early | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
years national funding formula which will give due consideration to | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
disadvantaged children, and special needs funding for the early years. I | :14:17. | :14:24. | |
remain genuinely confused by this. I hear the words fairer funding | :14:25. | :14:31. | |
review, but does that mean that in Islington, where the rate is ?9 40 | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
per hour, will money be taken from other barriers to pay for the | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
childcare within Islington? Less than ?4 50 an hour is not going to | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
pay for the amount childcare costs in Islington. These are not my | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
figures. I suggest that the honourable lady looks at the copy of | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
the review which is being published as I speak. The ?9 an hour figure | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
isn't one that we recognise. It has not been made clear to us during the | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
course of the review. The average rate is going to go up to ?4 88 for | :15:10. | :15:17. | |
three and four-year-olds, and ?5 99 for two-year-olds. We are confident | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
that that amount of money will be able to increase and provide | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
high-quality childcare for children in Islington or elsewhere. The | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
honourable lady asked about the funding formula review. That is | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
about making sure that as much money goes to the front line as possible. | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
I hope she has also had a conversation with Islington council | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
to make sure that they are passing on and providing sufficient places | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
that are needed for childcare, and pass on as much of the money as they | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
can. We have talked about top slicing earlier. Front line | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
providers need to get the money that we are providing. The statistics | :16:04. | :16:12. | |
that I am quoting, the ?9 50, is the daycare trust numbers. The Secretary | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
of State must be aware that there are boroughs where the prices are | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
much more than ?4 50 an hour, and they simply will not be able to | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
provide childcare, given the amount of money that is being provided | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
today. It is the bill is going to enter committee, and there will be | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
debates on this. The evidence -based review does not support the figure | :16:39. | :16:45. | |
that she has talked about. She might be talking about the additional rate | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
that some providers will charge, not for the free entitlement. We are | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
talking about the free and title and, the hundreds of millions of | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
pounds that this government is going to spend of hard earned tax payers | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
money to ensure that families get the support for childcare that they | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
need. On the note about councils siphoning off a bit of the money, | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
that happens in Wiltshire, and I welcome that we will prevent that. | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
What measures will be put in place regarding that in the future? Part | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
of the reason for having the funding formula review, and this is part of | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
a wider review for school funding as well, is to make sure that we talked | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
to local authorities and others receiving the money to find out the | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
best way. In my opinion, the best way to do that is to ensure maximum | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
transparency, so people know how much money is given by the | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
government, how much the local authorities are receiving, and how | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
much is being passed on. It will be very clear to businesses, families, | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
and those potentially paying additional costs. We need to have | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
that review and make sure we get contributions across the country. I | :18:05. | :18:12. | |
will give way for the last time. She has been very generous. Could she | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
confirmed that this additional money is going to be ring-fenced? I am a | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
bit uncertain about that. I assumed the money would be ring-fenced | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
specifically to go to nursery providers. The money for childcare | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
providers is paid to the local authorities. This money is paid for | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
the provision of childcare. It goes back to the point I have been making | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
about transparency, and needing to know how much of that money is being | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
spent, and how much is reaching the front line. We could be talking | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
about childcare providers, but also schools. Let me turn to the funding | :18:52. | :19:00. | |
review clause, which was added to the bill in the other place. Now | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
that we have carried out a substantial funding review, we want | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
to get on with implementing this free entitlement. The first clause | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
in this bill was to establish an independent funding review before | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
the bill comes into force. This will put that early implementation at | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
risk. Labour peers were willing to deliberately delay these important | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
measures by asking for a further funding review. | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
They maybe feeling embarrassed as the Chancellor has debunched all | :19:37. | :19:44. | |
their -- debunked all that you are scaremongering about funding. She | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
has the opportunity to redeem herself, back this bill and help us | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
to over turn the amendments which seek to delay this. If she does not, | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
I do not think that working parents will look kindly on her attempts to | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
delay their access to more free child care. The Government delivers | :20:03. | :20:12. | |
on its promises. This gives 30 hours of free child care. Local | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
authorities deliver the first 15 hours of free education for three | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
and four-year-olds with a take up rate of 96%. While the bill places | :20:20. | :20:27. | |
the duty to secure free child care on the the Secretary of State, I | :20:28. | :20:33. | |
will discharge it through English local authorities. This Government | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
is committed to working with local authorities, as we develop the | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
delivery of the programme, through early implementation stage and | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
beyond into the full roll out of the system from September 2017. We have | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
been work with the local authority government association and I would | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
like to thank them for the work they have done with us and for their | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
co-operation. Around 1800 local authorities and providers have | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
registered their interest to take part in the early pilots. There are | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
huge opportunities to test capacity, flexibility and innovation and make | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
sure all eligible children, including those with special | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
educational needs are able to access the 30 hours offer. As part of early | :21:16. | :21:22. | |
implementation, we want to encourage innovative approaches for work | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
parents whose children are disabled. Early years providers should be able | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
to meet the needs of all children in their care. In the last Parliament | :21:30. | :21:36. | |
we delivered the most significant reforms for 30 years, putting early | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
identification integration at its heart. We are committed to continue | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
making a difference to families through early years provision. We | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
encourage providers to offer the hours at the times for working | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
families and those work outside 9 to 5. The Government recognises that | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
the need for child care does not end when a child starts school. So we | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
are giving more working parents something that the best schools | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
already done. We will give parents the right to request child care in | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
the form of breakfast and after school clubs and holiday care at | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
their child's school. I welcome the news about before and after school | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
club. I wonder if she will guarantee that parents will be able to access | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
those places. I have recently lost all my breakfast club facilities for | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
both my children and was offered only one morning a week on two | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
separate weeks for my children. I wonder if she can guarantee parents | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
like me that I will be able to get that? The honourable lady has set | :22:49. | :22:56. | |
out the problem that we are trying to solve and the - she and other | :22:57. | :23:05. | |
parents will be able to ask to contact the governing body. There is | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
need for the school to make the school available for before and | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
after school actics -- activities. That also extends to having | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
provision during the school holidays, that is another time when | :23:21. | :23:28. | |
it is difficult for working parents to juggle their parental | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
responsibilities and work. And the child free tax care, I don't know | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
the age of the honourable lady's children. That would extend up to | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
the age of 12 and could pay into the account and the Government would top | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
up that up to ?2,000 a year and she could use that for provision. In my | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
experience, when schools and others realise there is a parental demand | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
that actually they do want to respond to that, they know that is | :23:55. | :24:02. | |
something parents want. It is a great delight to see more Labour | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
policy implemented by the Government. Can she confirm this | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
afternoon when she talks about the provisions that schools can make | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
that she has allowed the Chancellor to deliver a ?6 hundred million cut | :24:15. | :24:23. | |
to academies budgets. First, I should the honourable gentleman | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
should be pleased that we are actually, this party, on the side of | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
working people. He will know his own front bench are not. If he would | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
like to join us he would be welcome. His party when he was the shadow | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
education Secretary did not commit to increasing the funding for early | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
years in the way we have done. We can have a wider debate about the | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
schools budget. That is not the subject for debate today. But we are | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
not only committed to protecting the schools budget in real terms, by the | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
end of the Parliament the resource budget will be higher than it was at | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
the start, something that the honourable gentleman's policies | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
would never have delivered. I'm going to move on for the last time. | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
I will stifbg to the money -- stick to the money. When this side was | :25:14. | :25:21. | |
promising 25 hours a week term time only, I as understand it the | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
minister at the time said it would cost ?1.6 billion. Isn't the problem | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
the honourable lady has is she is missing a billion pounds and can't | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
cover child care at the cost it is rally going to cost? Yet again I | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
don't agree with the honourable lady's figures. The point is she is | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
Mickist missing the additional help that we are also giving to families | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
through tax free child care and universal credit, which net each | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
other off and of course she has already I think she needs to do and | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
look at funding review and she will see the response from those working | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
in the sector as to the rate they have been asking for and the reason | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
why the figures have been arrived at today, which I have just mentioned | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
which are an increase as well. She also should take note of the fact | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
that we are going to be spending a billion more on child care each year | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
in the course of Parliament. I want to make progress. Now, let me turn | :26:23. | :26:30. | |
to eligibility for this child care package. One of the key messages | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
from parents was a desire for a simpler system. We confirmed in the | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
other place that eligibility for the 30 hour entitlement will align with | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
tax free child care. As the Chancellor set out, parents will be | :26:45. | :26:54. | |
able to access the 30 hour titlement if they work 16 a week. Including | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
those who are self employed. In the case of lone parents, the same | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
threshold will apply and this makes is a significant offer and anyone | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
earning more than ?107 a week at the minimum wage will be eligible. As | :27:12. | :27:20. | |
many parents will enbit fit, it makes sense that parents can apply | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
for both schemes. This will provide a simple way to access both seems, | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
saving parents and providers time. Families are complex and different | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
circumstances need to be taken into account. The free hours will be | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
available where both parents are employed, but one or both are away | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
from the home place. This will ensure continuity and limit | :27:51. | :27:52. | |
disruption for children and providers. The additional free hours | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
will be available where one parent is employed, but the other has | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
substantial caring responsibilities or one parent is disabled. While we | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
are making a commitment to investing in the early years, we are doing so | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
when we are facing difficult seditions -- decisions. At the | :28:11. | :28:12. | |
centre has been the belief that it is right for those with the broadest | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
shoulders to bear the greatest burden and we intend to introduce an | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
income cap where parents who earn more than ?100,000 will not be able | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
to access the additional entitlement. We want parents to make | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
informed choices and it is vital that parents have easy access to | :28:33. | :28:40. | |
information about the child care that is available. So through the | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
bill we have introduced a requirement on local authorities to | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
publish information and advice for parents on child care in their area. | :28:47. | :28:56. | |
Child care's digital app which allows parents to search for free | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
child care will make it easier for parents to find out about high | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
quality and flexible child care places. So parents can access the | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
information they need to find the care that is right for their child. | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
The message and the measures in this bill are clear. The Conservative | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
Party is the party of working people. And this Government is on | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
the side of working parents. Through passage of bill we will fulfil our | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
pledge to do more to ease the pressure on working families, by | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
supporting them with the cost of child care. We are pushing forward | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
legislation to get them that support quickly and it should be supported | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
from all sides of the chamber. I look forward to listening to | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
contributions from members of the House and I believe that the | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
principles behind the bill are ones that everyone will support. The | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
under-Secretary and I look forward to working with all members on this | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
bill. The question is that the bill be read a second time. Lucy Powell. | :29:58. | :30:09. | |
I rise to support this bill at second reading. On this side of the | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
House we have a proud record on child care and enabling work to | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
return to work. We introduced free child care for three and | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
four-year-olds and delivered the first and only child care strategy | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
across Government and created sure start centres, expanding nurseries | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
and more than doubled child care places. We increased maternity leave | :30:32. | :30:39. | |
from 12 weeks to 12 months and increased maternity pay and | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
introduced the right to request flexible working and gave help with | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
child care. Child care was a free part of our plans to support | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
families. We welcome any investment in child care. I am pleased the | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
government now accept that supply side funding is a more effective way | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
of helping parents with the cost of child care and controlling prices | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
and increasing quality. Something that I have long argued for. But for | :31:11. | :31:17. | |
all ther trumpeted of Government achievements, their record tells a | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
different story. Financial support for child care for most families | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
fell in the last Parliament. In that time child care costs rocketed by a | :31:25. | :31:32. | |
third. Up over ?1,500 since 2010. The pre-election promise of tax free | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
child care remains undelivered and early years places have fallen by | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
40,000 since 2009. The two-year-old offer while a good poll | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
circumstances remains undersubscribed and sure start | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
centres have gone to wall in many areas. Even the Prime Minister | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
disagrees with his own Government's record on sure start. I welcome the | :31:56. | :32:02. | |
U-turn on tax credits, but cuts have hit families hard. The story of the | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
last Parliament is one of reducing support for working family, child | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
care costs going up and the gender gap remaining stuck for the first | :32:14. | :32:22. | |
time in 15 years. She mentioned cuts to child tax credit. Does she accept | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
it is unfair and unjust for nine out of ten families, even members of | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
Parliament to be eligible for child tax benefits. Well most families | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
under their plans will be eligible for support with child care, so the | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
point being if I may say that the Government took away many of the | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
support that many families relied on, financial support are now | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
reintroducing it by different means. Today's claim of significant | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
resource for child care belie the reality. Famy were promised tax free | :32:59. | :33:06. | |
child care, but it is going to be another two years behind schedule | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
and the three and four-year-old entitlement, which is due in autumn | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
2017 still has funding question marks as we have heard from speakers | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
today. So any parent at the last election with a two, three, or | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
four-year-old might have expected to receive additional support. Yet none | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
of families will receive an extra penny. As their children will have | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
passed the eligibility ages by the time the policies are introduced. | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
Child care is vital to our future success for two reasons. Firstly, a | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
growing economy, through enabling parents to work and secondly to | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
close the developmental gap preschool, critical to educational | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
achievement. High quality, flexible child care is critical for the | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
economy. We have made great strides in the last 20 years, but important | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
policy challenges remain. On maternal employment rates, | :34:06. | :34:07. | |
particularly for mothers with children aged between one and four, | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
are poor come peered with other OECD countries. Over a third of mothers | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
who want to work are unable to do, because of child care costs and two | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
thirds of mothers would like to work more hours but are unable to do so, | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
because of unaffordable child care bills. This is particularly true for | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
second earners as the resolution foundation and the IPPR have | :34:32. | :34:33. | |
illustrated. Once you hit the age of 40, the pay | :34:34. | :34:54. | |
gap can be stark. Pressures on family budgets have increased. | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
Single earner households are now more likely to be in poverty. So to | :34:59. | :35:04. | |
boost our economy and give families the chance of a decent job and | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
income, childcare investment is essential. But high-quality | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
childcare is essential to. We know that many of the most disadvantaged | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
five-year-old start school 18 months behind their peers. Wood quality | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
childcare can close this gap and give children a good foundation for | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
school and later life. Sometimes, these two aims of economic output | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
and early education require different solutions. Sometimes, | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
seeking to improve one element can come at the expense of the other. So | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
providing support like extra free hours is a good way of delivering | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
both. Tax-free childcare is designed to put cash in parents pockets, and | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
does not contain levers to deliver quality or control prices. The | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
two-year-old offer aims to reduce inequalities. The extension of the | :36:03. | :36:10. | |
15 hour offer to 30 hours should be about delivering both objectives, | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
but this requires quality and funding. We support this bill, but | :36:14. | :36:22. | |
there are a number of challenges with government's plans, and it is | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
right that we scrutinise them. This childcare policy needs to be | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
considered in the context of the totality of childcare support, which | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
is complex. Overall, support has fallen for families while costs have | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
gone up. Any measures like this should be robust we analysed for the | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
impact on the market in which they operate, including the impact on | :36:48. | :36:55. | |
price, places and quality. Put simply, high-quality, affordable | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
childcare is not cheap. Attempts by government to cut corners will | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
ultimately fail. At the heart of this bill is a serious funding gap, | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
and today's announcements only go some way to answering these. | :37:09. | :37:16. | |
Previously, the bill lacked substance and clarity about funding. | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
When ministers first announced the offer, they said it would cost ?350 | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
million. This figure was pie in the sky, and has been revised recently | :37:29. | :37:35. | |
to ?640 million. However, a ?1 billion funding gap has been | :37:36. | :37:43. | |
identified in the plans. We welcome today's announcement, which shows | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
the government understands there is a funding shortfall. However, we | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
will have to interrogate this further as the bill proceeds. The | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
raid still remains below the true cost of childcare. The switching of | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
money from reducing those who are entitled to the extra support to | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
provide funds for the three and 4-year-old offer is a switch spend, | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
and still leaves a shortfall. Families where one parent works | :38:16. | :38:22. | |
around 15 hours a week will rightly be disappointed that they are no | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
longer eligible for this support. She is right to reduce the | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
entitlement at the top end of the salary scale to ?100,000 per | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
parents, but Shannon -- can she clarify how this funding will be | :38:38. | :38:44. | |
allocated? The government's failure to adequately fund the free offer | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
could have far reaching implications to the childcare market. There has | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
been a review which the honourable lady will not have had the | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
opportunity to see yet. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
announced, and the Secretary of State has identified, that there | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
will be a cap. The CD as she identifies must be out of date, | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
because they do not take into account the review. The figures. | :39:09. | :39:23. | |
With... Nor has she seen it, with respect. She misunderstands the | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
nature of the market. The hourly rate which is paid to nurseries by | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
the local authorities is not a cap on the cost of childcare, it is a | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
cap on the amount the nursery can claim. The true cost of the | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
childcare is significantly more in places like Islington. The true cost | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
of that childcare can often be as high as ?9 per hour. In nurseries in | :39:48. | :39:55. | |
my own constituency it can be considerably higher than the hourly | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
rate. What happens is, the private providers cross subsidise from the | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
free offer that they then offered to parents with paying out was that | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
other parents pay for. She might look puzzled. I know a considerable | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
amount about this subject, having been the shadow childcare response | :40:16. | :40:23. | |
person for two years. There are major problems with the childcare | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
market, even if you increase the hourly rate by 30p, and even if you | :40:28. | :40:35. | |
use the early years pupil premium to cross subsidise, taking money from | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
elsewhere. I thank the honourable member for giving way. The cost of | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
childcare review, undertaken by the Department over six months, had 2000 | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
responses, including from all the sector representatives. The hourly | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
rates that have been announced today reflect the data that was given us | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
by the sector, including the profit and loss accounts of actual | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
providers. I would encourage her to look at that. Of course I will look | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
at it, and perhaps next time we are having a second reading of a debate | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
where funding is so critical, ministers opposite might care to let | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
the opposite front edges have sight of that information before we | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
embark. There still remain key issues here about the ability of the | :41:26. | :41:34. | |
vast majority of providers in this sector to deliver these free hours, | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
notwithstanding the challenges that remain for support. Reference has | :41:39. | :41:45. | |
been made to the cost of childcare review, which we have been told that | :41:46. | :41:52. | |
6000 people have put into it. It is yet to be found in the library, | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
because there are people looking for it. It is online but it is taking a | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
certain amount of time to print off. So we have not been able to look at | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
it in advance of the debate, or during it. It really is a farce | :42:05. | :42:12. | |
having this second reading now. I do agree with the honourable lady. She | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
makes a very good point. It doesn't get away from the fact that the | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
overall cost of this policy has a considerable funding shortfall. This | :42:25. | :42:34. | |
is regardless of the hourly rate. I beg your pardon, the Minister | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
himself said, when the Labour Party announced, before the last | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
election, that we were seeking to increase the number of free hours | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
from 15 to 25 hours, the then Minister for childcare said that | :42:49. | :42:56. | |
policy would cost one point ?2 billion. -- ?1.2 billion. That is | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
greater than the amount that the same government has put forward for | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
an additional five hours a week of funding. There are big funding gaps | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
that the government still has to to answer, regardless of the hourly | :43:12. | :43:18. | |
rate being paid. House of Commons library analysis has shown that | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
there are over 44,000 fewer early year childcare places today than | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
there were in 2009. Six in ten local authorities tell us they do not have | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
adequate supply of childcare for local parents. There is a downward | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
trend in childcare places which should cause concern. Private and | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
voluntary providers make up the vast majority of childcare places in | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
England. If there is not adequate resource for these nurseries, they | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
will simply not offer these free hours. I welcome the increase in the | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
hourly rate, but questions remain about how the places will be | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
provided, and without an increase in supply, costs will continue to rise | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
for parents. Parents will also be very concerned that the quality of | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
childcare could be damaged by the failure of the government to | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
adequately support their proposals. There is a wealth of evidence, from | :44:17. | :44:22. | |
the education select committee and Ofsted, that identifies the strong | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
links between outstanding provision and the best qualified staff. For | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
childcare is worse than no childcare, and can be detrimental to | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
development. Unless the government has answers on adequate funding, the | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
result will be a fall in quality provision. Can she give an assurance | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
today that they need these proposals there are no plans to reduce | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
quality, increase ratios or lower requirements for those who can offer | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
the free entitlement? Insufficient funds and poor delivery could have | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
the opposite effect the government wants, and lead to fewer places, | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
poorer quality and higher cost for parents. The government has ample | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
time to address these concerns before their policy is due to be | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
introduced in autumn 2017. We want to work with ministers to ensure | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
their plans are credible and affordable. Part of the problem is | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
the government has no clear strategy for trials care. I hope she will | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
reflect on this and come back to the house in due course with an | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
overarching childcare strategy. Would the minister like to | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
intervene? No. Happy for him to come forward and say he has a childcare | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
strategy! We will continue to support the progression of this bill | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
through parliament, but it is the secretary's responsibility to | :45:55. | :45:56. | |
satisfy this house, the other place and parents that this plan for | :45:57. | :46:03. | |
childcare is deliverable, sustainable and affordable. She must | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
set out her funding plans and reassure us through the passage of | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
this bill. There are other questions, such as who will be | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
liable to prove that parents are working, and sufficient hours, and | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
how disabled children will be supported? I want this policy to | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
work. I wanted to be a success, and I want it to have real meaning for | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
parents, and to ensure that children are supported in having a great | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
start in life. I look forward to working with her on this, and I | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
recommend that we support this bill this evening. Thank you, Madam | :46:40. | :46:46. | |
Deputy Speaker. Childcare is not a political football, and I really | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
hope that the honourable lady sitting on the front edge opposite | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
is not choosing to make it that. For my constituents, we want to make | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
sure there is consistency in the way childcare is approached in the | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
future, which goes for our constituents and their children, and | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
providers of childcare as well. I think that are some important | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
differences between the two front benches, and it is important to | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
recognise that. I believe that the a conservative to government is | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
showing a real understanding of the role of childcare and that it is | :47:27. | :47:33. | |
vital for working parents. There has been a real quiet revolution | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
happening in our workplace since the country has been recovering from the | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
recession, with more women in work than ever before, including in this | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
place. It is important to recognise this difference in approach, and | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
particularly that the Prime Minister, throughout the previous | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
five years, has made it central to the work that he has done in | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
government, to make sure that flexible working is in place for all | :48:03. | :48:10. | |
parents. And for all of us. These are ambitions that the Labour Party | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
didn't deliver on in their time in office. There are still many women | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
who are not in work who would like to be, and that's why I am pretty | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
sedating in the debate today. It is important to support this bill were | :48:26. | :48:32. | |
to see a doubling of free childcare alongside the other measures that | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
the right honourable lady mentioned in her opening statement, such as | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
tax-free childcare for the first time ever, and more support than any | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
government has ever offered working parents before. Can I also suggest | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
to the right honourable lady, she should be talking about being the | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
party of working women, which is what this government is delivering | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
through the childcare priorities she is setting out. Understanding the | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
pressures that working parents face, especially those with small | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
children, is vitally important. Women who want to return to work | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
have found it almost impossible to do, in the past, because of the | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
financial pressures they face. It would be wrong for those in the | :49:23. | :49:28. | |
other place to seek to delay this important manifesto commitment by | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
forcing on yet further research and funding reviews, which clearly | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
aren't required in order to make this measure work. | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
To make sure in the other place they listen to this debate and they don't | :49:44. | :49:51. | |
seek to block what is an important measure, which has support from both | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
sides of the House. Child care costs continue to be a real pressure. That | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
is why this measure is important. I would like to pay tribute to the | :50:02. | :50:10. | |
work of organisation like For Children, who provided briefings for | :50:11. | :50:17. | |
all of us a and they pointed out that one in five parents has | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
considered reducing their work hours, because of cost of child | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
care. That is why this measure is important. Because while we have | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
gone a long way in trying to make child care affordable, there is | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
still more to do. This measure will help do that for parents. I hope the | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
honourable lady sitting listening on the opposition bench registered that | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
and registers that is the will of parents. I welcome this bill. I | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
welcome the Government's commitment to increasing the average child care | :50:51. | :50:55. | |
funding rates as well that are paid to providers and welcome the | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
measures the Government outlined to make sure there is a fair | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
distribution of funding across the country. If my constituency, most | :51:03. | :51:10. | |
families have all parents working. That is one parent families and two | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
parent family households. 16,000 families in Hampshire could benefit | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
from this measure. This is a seismic change for those families. It is | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
important to get it in place. In Hampshire we are well placed to take | :51:26. | :51:31. | |
advantage of the new measures, because 90% of our providers are | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
good or outstanding according to Ofsted and we have more than 14 | :51:37. | :51:45. | |
hundred early years providers delivering this key public service. | :51:46. | :51:52. | |
But we are still recovering from I think some measures put in place in | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
the past which had good intentions, but did unintentionally do some | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
damage. In the past we have seen thousands of child minders leave the | :52:03. | :52:09. | |
sector, because of the pressure they felt from the administrative burdens | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
they faced. That was a shame, because they provided excellent, | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
good quality child care for many working parts, particularly who were | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
looking for after school care. Government funding for free places | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
has been top sliced as my honourable friend mentioned. Because of a lack | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
of a focus on perhaps the detail of how that could be prevented. Indeed | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
parents have been in the past overwhelmed by the complexity of | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
what was offered and initiatives that were so complex and not well | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
communicated that many of our constituents found it difficult to | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
understand how they could access that or were overlapping and | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
provided additional complexities for employers. I welcome the comments | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
the Secretary of State made in terms of being committed to a simpler | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
system. I think that is an admirable place to start. The opposition did | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
rather overfocus for a second reading debate on the details of | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
finances. That is important, but there are other things that are | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
important as well. I would just perhaps draw the Secretary of State | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
and her ministers' attention to a few of them. Firstly, the importance | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
of making sure that for parents we have stability in terms of their | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
access to child care. If those parents who are work don't have | :53:29. | :53:36. | |
long-term permanent contract, they may have breaks in employment or | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
have variable hours. We need to make sure that for the children involved | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
have stability in the child care that they have on offer. So perhaps | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
the minister could in his comments at the end perhaps touch on how he | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
will make sure that there are perhaps grace periods in place to | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
make sure parents who have an underlying eligibility but may have | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
short breaks in their employment still are able to access child care | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
if that is at all possible. The second point is in terms of | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
flexibility and building on some of the points the honourable lady | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
speaking for the opposition was making, 45% of women with children | :54:16. | :54:23. | |
work, do not work full-time. Many work atypical hours, but many work | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
less than a full working week. I think flexibility needs to look at | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
not only the, those that work a typical hours, but those that work | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
shorter than the average working week, to ensure that they have the | :54:38. | :54:44. | |
right flexibility and the child care doesn't become a cost which is | :54:45. | :54:50. | |
higher than it should be in accordance with the hours they work. | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
They should be at the heart of proposals and not left to the | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
discretion of local authorities as to how flexibility works. I hope | :54:59. | :55:04. | |
this is something the ministers can consider to make sure it works in | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
practice for women and for parents who need it so badly. The third | :55:10. | :55:17. | |
point I would make... It seems that the child care will not be available | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
to parts unless they have weekly income level per parent equivalent | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
of 16 hours a week worked at the national living wage that. Does seem | :55:28. | :55:33. | |
to mitigate against the idea of people being able to work flexibly. | :55:34. | :55:40. | |
I thank you. I am not about to have a debate. I hope the honourable lady | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
is on the committee, because he will bring expertise to it. I'm setting | :55:47. | :55:53. | |
out the issues that I I think should debate and I leave the ministers to | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
answer the detail of her point. Going on to the issue of the | :55:59. | :56:00. | |
business model of providers, because the honourable lady speaking for the | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
opposition raises an important point in terms of making sure that this | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
does work for the providers, because unlike many services that | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
governments deliver, this is delivered predominantly by private | :56:16. | :56:23. | |
and independent providers. And it is important there is an understanding | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
of the business model and important to make sure that any funding regime | :56:28. | :56:34. | |
takes that, takes the realities of business life for providers into | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
account. I applaud the announcements of an increased rate in the average | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
hourly rate that will go to providers, but I would underline | :56:44. | :56:49. | |
that the only way this will work if there is, is if there is a guarantee | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
in place that the money is not top sliced by local authorities who may | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
seek to use that money to prop up services which are there to | :57:01. | :57:03. | |
apparently support the child care sector. Some of the services are | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
important. But what is most important is that the money gets to | :57:08. | :57:09. | |
the providers to provide the care the providers to provide the care | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
for our children. Because making sure that more of that money | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
gettings through will make sure that the quality is there as well. | :57:17. | :57:19. | |
Another issue which I hope the honourable lady will be able to | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
consider as this bill passes through the House is the knock on | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
opportunities for staff in terms of apprentice ships, making sure that | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
apprenticeships are available to those in the sector in the quantity | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
that would be needed to staff this new initiative. I thank the | :57:39. | :57:44. | |
honourable lady for the response to my intervention earlier on about | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
special educational needs. I raised that point, particularly because it | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
was an issued raised by me by a contacted family and they have | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
undertaken research which shows that 40% of families with disabled | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
children are not able to take up the 15 hour child care offer that is | :58:01. | :58:07. | |
currently available. That is ten times more than non-disabled | :58:08. | :58:10. | |
children, because parents can feel that staff don't have sufficient | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
training or providers can refuse a place for disabled child. Now | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
denying a child that opportunity is unacceptable. Denying parents the | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
opportunity to work is unacceptable. I am delighted to hear that there is | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
a focus in there on ensuring that the support for children who are | :58:30. | :58:36. | |
disabled to get this sort of child care is manifest and applaud the | :58:37. | :58:42. | |
work is being done and hope that continues. As I said, I am fortunate | :58:43. | :58:51. | |
to come from an area in North Hampshire that has a strong child | :58:52. | :58:55. | |
care sector. Strong because we have a strong local economy, as a result | :58:56. | :59:00. | |
of measures the government has put in place, the unemployment records | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
-- levels are at a record low. We need to make sure we have a strong | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
scheme in place tone sure that -- ensure that the child care sector | :59:12. | :59:15. | |
can flourish in every constituency in the country. In my constituency, | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
more than 40 group settings have said they want to offer the 30 hour | :59:21. | :59:27. | |
offer. 92 child minders have expressed their interest of being | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
part of early implementation of the new offer for parents. I I believe | :59:33. | :59:42. | |
our County Council is Regging an interest to -- registering an | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
interest and I hope with the support the council can do that and ensure | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
that excellent counties like that are in the van guard of delivering | :59:51. | :59:56. | |
an exciting new policy and I commend the ministers for the incredible | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
hard work they have put into this measure and bringing it forward to | :00:02. | :00:09. | |
the House today. I rise to speak today as a former teacher with 20 | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
years experience in education. So I plan to speak today from a personal | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
point of view and I also plan to speak fairly briefly. I want to | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
speak particularly about clause 2, because I think there are some | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
issues there with clause 2. Years ago I worked at Glasgow University | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
and I was part of a team training new teacher, this was teachers from | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
nursery schools to secondary science teachers. One of the things that I | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
had to do as part of that job was to visit students in placement. And I | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
happened to visit a student in a particularly deprived area of | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
Glasgow. And there was a small boy there who had one word in his Voe | :00:59. | :01:05. | |
cackly. He had -- Voe Kabary. He had started school and the only word he | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
had man and that word was used to any adult and any older pupil. This | :01:11. | :01:16. | |
us was not a child -- this was not a child with special educational | :01:17. | :01:23. | |
needs, but a child with... Whose language development was severely | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
behind that what it should be. The honourable lady from Manchester | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
central mentioned this 18 month development gap. For this particular | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
child, it was closer to two years and that is a very difficult gap to | :01:37. | :01:45. | |
make up. There was some great work done by a Notre Dam sister who came | :01:46. | :01:59. | |
to Glasgow to look at the difficulty young people had in communicating. | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
She worked very closely with the parents and realised that early | :02:07. | :02:14. | |
intervention was key. This nun Doreen Grant wrote a book called | :02:15. | :02:24. | |
Learning Relations. So this 30 hours of child care. Can I say it's | :02:25. | :02:31. | |
absolutely fantastic for working parents. Extremely important and | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
will make a massive difference to their lives. I welcome that. | :02:36. | :02:42. | |
However, I think we need to be careful about the language, or maybe | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
we need to revise the language that has been used. We talk about child | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
care and maybe that is a difference. In Scotland we talk about early | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
years education and the education programme starts aged three. I'm not | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
talking about a formal education learning to read and write, I'm | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
talking about learning to communicate, learning relationships, | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
and starting to work through a curriculum. But when we compare the | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
word child care to the words early years education there is a subtle | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
but fundamental difference here in the language. Child care is about | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
the parents. It is about what we can do to help the parents to support | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
them. How it benefit them. How it makes their life more convenient and | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
yes of course it will benefit the children as well. However, early | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
education is focussed 100% on the children themselves. And it is about | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
improving the life chances for our children. Now, the Secretary of | :03:52. | :04:01. | |
State said they were the only party to have 30 hours of child care in | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
their manifesto. I'm sure it was a slip up from the Secretary of State, | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
because of course the Scottish National Party had already had 30 | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
hours early years education in their manifesto. And that, the difference | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
here of course, is it is for all children. And that is really | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
important, because if we are talking about education as a way of | :04:27. | :04:35. | |
increasing their life chances it is crucial that we are not limiting it | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
to parents who are both in work. This clause 2 will further increase | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
inequalities and means that children that are most in need of a good | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
start and early intervention could miss out. | :04:53. | :05:00. | |
There are three groups of parents that I have concerns about that are | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
not fully addressed in this bill. First, we have heard about children | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
with disabilities. I welcome the Secretary of State's commitment to | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
ensure there will be provision made for these children. I wonder about | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
parents with disabilities who are not able to work. Where does that | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
leave those children? These children's could be further excluded | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
from society, and could miss out on chances. And we could be talking | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
about extremely young children having to take on a caring role, and | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
that's really important. I really feel strongly that has to be, the | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
provision has to be increased to include people with disabilities who | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
are unable to work. There is also a worry about grandparents, sometimes | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
elderly grandparents, looking after children. No provision made for | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
them. They also have two fulfilled this requirement to be in work in | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
order to access this 30 hours. There's an opportunity here to | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
really make a difference to these carers, these unsung heroes in | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
society. The third group of parents I am concerned about are those who | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
are on hours contracts. The honourable lady talked about | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
flexible working. What about zero hours contracts? Unless we have a | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
firm commitment to childcare provision, people on zero hours | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
contracts will not be able to access that, which is really worrying. | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
There is a very famous quote that's been attributed to lots of people, | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
give me the boy until he is seven and I'll give you the man. That is | :06:56. | :07:02. | |
absolutely key. What we do at the early stages makes such a | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
difference. The Secretary of State talked about school readiness, and | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
this 30 hours making such a difference to young children when | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
they go to school. Are we only going to ready some sectors of society? We | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
must ensure that this is expanded. I would urge the Secretary of State to | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
look at that, expand it to make sure that all children, particularly | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
those from a disadvantaged background, are able to access this. | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
We've got an opportunity here to support both the parents and the | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
children, and I would urge the Secretary of State to follow the | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
Scottish Government's ambitious target to provide 30 hours of | :07:52. | :08:00. | |
childcare, better 30 hours of early years education, to all children. | :08:01. | :08:08. | |
Thank you. I welcome this bill, and I rise to and some reasons why I do | :08:09. | :08:16. | |
so. This goes to the heart of what constituents say to us, in every | :08:17. | :08:24. | |
part of the country, whether they are already working and wants | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
security against the costs of the childcare they already pay for, or | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
perhaps a couple who wants to be able to get into work or back into | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
work, and faces a situation where the costs of childcare are just not | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
worth it. I have spoken to schools of Norwich, parents and childcare | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
providers, who welcome this bill for those reasons. I am proud that this | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
is an election manifesto pledge, and I think that this bill stands to | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
help parents considerably by doubling the number of free hours | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
they can use. I think we will see, if we get this right, a | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
transformative effect for so many people. We will see it for those | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
parents who can then measured their household balance is more easily, | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
for parents who can now choose to go to work, for parents who may be able | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
to now change their career if they so wish, by having this backing | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
behind them. We will see a benefit to the children behind them, who | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
will be able to get that much more high-quality early years education. | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
I want to see an emphasis on quality as much as quantity. I think we will | :09:39. | :09:46. | |
see a benefit to local local economies, who will see the | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
workforce ETA supported, less stressed, more resilient and more | :09:49. | :09:59. | |
able, for the people who are those employees, to take advantage of the | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
opportunity is they wish to. I also want to say a word for the kind of | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
local businesses who are the nurseries and childcare providers | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
themselves. They will be able to grow to meet this demand, and employ | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
more local people themselves. We do have to get this right in | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
legislation. I want to add a feud detail is from my own constituency | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
and from the County of Norfolk. Norfolk County Council's 2015 | :10:30. | :10:36. | |
childcare efficiency assessment shows us that with household incomes | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
in Norfolk lower than the national average, the biggest concern for | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
families is the cost of childcare. Research shows there is already | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
eyeing independent and voluntary sector in the county. Childminder | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
numbers are coming down. Recruitment is a challenge for some settings. | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
Quality of childcare provision in Norfolk is higher than the national | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
average. We see that 94% of Norfolk parents are happy with their current | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
childcare, although reports some dissatisfaction with affordability, | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
accessibility and availability. Norfolk parents want to use | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
childcare. Nearly eight out of ten of parents of eligible children take | :11:26. | :11:32. | |
up that provision, compared to six out of ten nationally. So credit | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
where it is due to the County Council, who have responded to armed | :11:38. | :11:45. | |
by creating over 2000 places for eligible to-year-old in one year. | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
There is a surplus of funding for two-year-old children over all, but | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
there is a widespread shortage of three and 4-year-olds funded | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
places. The County Council estimates that places are still required for | :12:04. | :12:11. | |
3600 two-year-olds, and 18,700 three and 4-year-olds. In my constituency, | :12:12. | :12:20. | |
demand outstrips supply for places for two-year-old and three and | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
4-year-olds. Some recent figures as Nick sample suggests there are | :12:25. | :12:32. | |
around childcare places in the mile Cross and Sewell areas of my | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
constituency, but 1200 three and 4-year-olds. So there is a shortfall | :12:38. | :12:45. | |
of half is what is needed. On top of that, like many constituencies | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
around the country, I see housing growth to come to the north of | :12:50. | :12:56. | |
Norwich. I see that the zero -5 population is rising. I also see | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
that demand is likely to rise further with this doubling of free | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
hours. In many ways, that's an opportunity. There is an opportunity | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
to be grasped in local economies like Norwich for this to be | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
something that can be done, and done well, for parents. Let me add the | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
thoughts from constituents who have contacted me. This one talks about a | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
shortage of out of school care. That applies to children who will be in | :13:29. | :13:35. | |
some cases older than what we are talking about here. But her comments | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
hold for parents facing all types of childcare shortages. She says, the | :13:40. | :13:46. | |
local childminders are all full with waiting lists. The local school has | :13:47. | :13:54. | |
increased its intake, but the breakfast and after-school clubs do | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
not provide enough places for the pupils at the school. She asks, how | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
is that sufficient? She says she works for the NHS as a nurse working | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
for disabled children. She says she will struggle to continue to do | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
shiftwork, because her son comes first, and with no option of | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
childcare, she will have to to leave her work. She asks, as my MP, if you | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
could provision -- increase the provision of after-school care, that | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
will be great for many parents. Having exhausted all avenues, she | :14:29. | :14:37. | |
says, including sure start centres, the County Council website and | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
Facebook groups, I will have two move, leave my job. So she is being | :14:42. | :14:50. | |
penalised for working full-time, she says. There is a huge fish unity to | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
get this right, for children of all ages, but particularly format one | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
max. The opportunity is there for parents, for children and for local | :15:03. | :15:10. | |
constituencies. -- particularly for one max. I have already convened | :15:11. | :15:20. | |
local action on this issue. The local SP college, as a workforce | :15:21. | :15:29. | |
provider, I have approached nurseries to ask how we can in | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
courage the greater supply in Norwich. We should be considering | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
that question alongside the legislation here. We have two years | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
to get it right. Parents need us to do so. We can look at some of the | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
obvious concerns, such as suitable premises all land available within | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
an urban area. We are also looking at the funding settlement. I welcome | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
the higher funding settlement announced today, and I want this | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
message to go out to childcare businesses in Norwich today, this is | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
your chance. This is an opportunity to serve your local economy by | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
coming into business in this area. I'd also expect the County Council | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
to look at its funding model, which it has, in terms of the detail of | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
the way it applies the funding to different types of setting. I would | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
also note that Norfolk County Council spends nearly 9% of its | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
early funding centrally, rather than passing it to providers. I say that | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
is too high. Cornwall spends 0.3% of its funding centrally, and | :16:44. | :16:50. | |
Lincolnshire 2.9%. So it can be done that those costs be brought down, | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
and I would urge Norfolk to look at that. This group I am communing in | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
Norwich will work together in five areas. We will cooperate with | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
schools in planning, in the planning that they have to do. We want to | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
cooperate with local authorities and the other planning they do in the | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
sense of development, so there is the use of this rates to look at -- | :17:18. | :17:27. | |
of business rates. We also want to work together with business and | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
inward investment organisations. The larger chains, who have not yet seen | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
the opportunity in Norfolk, should come here and see the investment | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
opportunities we have. We also want to work with local education | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
providers, because there will clearly be the need for a training | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
offer suitable for increased demand. The fifth thing we must do is a | :17:55. | :18:05. | |
question of raising awareness. We have an opportunity here. It is a | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
huge opportunity that must be grasped. We would be letting down | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
parents and children and our local economy if we did not grasp this | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
opportunity, so let this message go out today from this chamber and this | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
bill, that childcare is that chance. It is an exciting opportunity, and | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
the government is doing what it can to make sure that that comes about | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
for parents and children. I have laid out just a few of the | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
characteristics of childcare in Norfolk, and particularly in my | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
already that I am leading in the already that I am leading in the | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
constituency for those parents who need this childcare, and there is | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
more to do. I thoroughly support this bill today, which will pave the | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
way for parents to go into work, for local businesses to grow, and for | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
children to benefit from good quality early years education. We | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
should see this bill accordingly. It is a pleasure to follow the | :19:08. | :19:20. | |
honourable member. As we have seen the debate is split between a | :19:21. | :19:29. | |
conversation between maternal employment rates and development and | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
the point the honourable lady for the SNP raised. I would have more | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
cress dense to her view if the rates of social mobility in Scotland under | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
the SNP administration were working faster when we see the number of | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
childrens from disadvantaged background going to higher education | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
in relation to England, the SNP have not delivered what they promised. | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
I'm delighted. I thank the honourable gentleman for giving way. | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
He possibly doesn't realise one of the routes into higher education in | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
Scotland is through further education and these figures are not | :20:08. | :20:15. | |
included in your statistics. I thank today for her intervention and I do | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
know that. If I was a representative of the SNP I wouldn't be defending | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
their role with further education. What they have done is support | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
higher edge case at the expense of further education and hammering the | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
poor. But I'm being dragged away from the second reading of the bill. | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
As the shadow Secretary of State said, we can all welcome the policy | :20:36. | :20:45. | |
of extending free child care to 30 hours, this builds on the Labour | :20:46. | :20:53. | |
offer of 25 hours that we were told was unaffordable. It builds on hours | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
of work. Any legislation which aims to tackle the child care crisis | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
which aims to increase maternal rates of employment and aims to | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
generate long-term growth has to be welcomed. But over the last five | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
years the Government has made it harder to parents to find the child | :21:12. | :21:23. | |
care hours they need. Since twen ten there -- 2010 there are 40,000 fewer | :21:24. | :21:34. | |
places. Child care prices are crippling families who are already | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
under pressure with parents now spending over ?13 hundred more on | :21:40. | :21:48. | |
child care than in 2010. So anything that attempts to address these | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
impacts on families is to be welcomed. The question I think is | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
how it is to be funded. I do welcome the Chancellor's announcements | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
today, the ?300 million of additional funding four the scream | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
to increase the hourly rate child care providers receive and the ?50 | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
million of invest to create additional places in nurseries to be | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
brought in from 1718. As my honourable friend will explore in | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
her incisive speech, these figures don't quite add up. Again I think we | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
can reflect on the irony that we were told during the election | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
campaign that 25 hours was unrealistic and undoable and now the | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
Government have come up with different figures. I am sure | :22:41. | :22:49. | |
chairman Mao had an aforism about that. This ignores the crisis | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
hitting the sector. As the shadow Secretary of State suggested, the | :22:56. | :23:04. | |
free child care policy is behind schedule and Ofsted is announcing | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
11,000 places, we are seeing a drop during the course of this year. This | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
is leading to many providers having to close, resulting in further | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
shortage of places. In my constituency of Stoke-on-Trent there | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
are 74 less registered providers than in 2009. This is evidence that | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
the underlying infrastructure needed to deliver the Government's | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
announcements today is creaking to breaking point. The industry for | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
public policy research in their report on the implementation of bill | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
warned that if more providers close, driving down quality, with poorer | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
outcome for children and less choice for parent as the market shrinks. In | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
the face of increasing demand and decreasing provision the Government | :23:55. | :24:05. | |
will have to deregulate provision. I am delighted to give way. On staff | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
the child ratios, there are no plans and we have said in the other place | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
to reduce the ratios for three and four-year-olds. I am delighted that | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
this is the third or fourth U-turn of the day. It is hard to keep up. | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
But it is important as I shall go on to suggest that when we think about | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
this question, we also focus not just on the economics, but we also | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
focus on the quality of provision for those in early years. As he | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
knows the shadow Secretary of State said there was evidence between a | :24:45. | :24:53. | |
judgment of outstanding and the presence of better qualified staff. | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
The education select committee in its report set out that poor child | :24:58. | :25:04. | |
care is worse than no child care and can be December rimental. It -- | :25:05. | :25:11. | |
detrimental. It is depressing when you see young women who themselves | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
are having a struggle in terms of their own educational' Tainment | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
working with children from deprived back grounds. All the challenges we | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
are seeing means the quality of provision is essential. I will give | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
way. Thank you. Is he aware that what is happening here is we are | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
doubling the entitlement, but not necessarily the demand. So there are | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
a lot of parents who are already buying more than 15 hours, which is | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
the current free entitlement. What changes is who pays for it. All the | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
scaremongering about quality being reduced doesn't necessarily stack | :25:54. | :26:01. | |
up. I am not really arguing about the reduction of quality, I'm | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
arguing for an improvement to quality. I understand the point | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
about the doubling of the provision, but the argument has to be when we | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
see such ingrained inequality and such disadvantage that the quality | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
of provision needs to improve. We know investment in the early years | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
is about more than just announcing more child care. There is a huge | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
part of the infrastructure that has been ignored, cut and undermined by | :26:30. | :26:37. | |
this Government. Time and again children's centres has come under | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
assault from this government. We know that the last Labour Government | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
tried to make sure start centres an essential part of welfare state and | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
part of this government's ambition to dismantle the welfare state is | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
strip away one of the elements that we think is such a civilising part | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
of society. With more centres being forced to close and cutback, due to | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
inadequate funding, there was no announcement for funding today for | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
children's centres or support for the early intervention grant. Indeed | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
according to the children's society the total value of the early | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
intervention grant which funds children's centres was around 3.2 | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
billion in today's prices. By 2015 the value of the grant has been more | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
than halved to around 1.4 billion. By the end of 2016 the allocation | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
provided to local authorities through the support grant would have | :27:32. | :27:38. | |
been reduced by 6.8 billion pounds compared to funding for come par | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
sieve services prior to the - comparative budgets prior to 2010. | :27:45. | :27:53. | |
They reduced funding by some ?700 million in real terms s. This | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
amounts to spending reductions of over one and a half billion. With | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
Eno e - we know with local authorities under pressure the | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
outlook for children's centres looks bleak. Over the last five years the | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
Government, over 700 centres have been closed. We know that effective | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
early intervention does not begin at the age of three, it begins with | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
anti-natal classes, drop in clinics and open access provision. It begins | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
with teaching parents the importance of bonding and attachment. If | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
anything those fist years of a child's life are the most important | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
in terms of child development. The more we discover about development | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
and the effects of the growth of the brain in the early months and years, | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
the more startling it is that the Government have piled on the cuts in | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
the earliest years. They're not serious about tackling disadvantage | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
and inequality, because if they were, they wouldn't be putting all | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
the cuts into that area. So it is no wonder that great charities say poor | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
kids do worse under this Government and it is no wonder we see the | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
effects of that in our schooling and education system. The Government's | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
record on protecting the architecture of the delivery of | :29:15. | :29:23. | |
education in the early years is lamentable. Labour protected the | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
budget in our election promise. This Government protected only schools. | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
Today's announcement about six form and further education is well, but | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
it means an 8% cut to their budgets over the coming five years. The | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
Labour Party despite the global crash with the help of the sure | :29:43. | :29:49. | |
start architecture slashed child poverty by 900,000. What is what | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
Labour governments do. That is what progressive Governments do. Under | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
the latest figures, we know we are going to see child poverty rocket. | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
Time and again the early years have been deprioritised. We on this side | :30:05. | :30:12. | |
have a commitment to the power of early years education and our belief | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
it is the most effective way of narrowing the achievement gap so no | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
child is left behind when taking their first steps in a reception | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
classroom. We are, I am supportive of measures to help working | :30:26. | :30:32. | |
families. I am very supportive. We are all united in this house on | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
measures to help work families. But we need a much richer, deeper and | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
more sophisticated focus on the quality of early years provision and | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
what it can do to tackle the inequality and disadvantage. I would | :30:49. | :30:55. | |
like to support this bill. It is a pleasure to follow the member for | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
Stoke-on-Trent. He said it is a Labour policy. I do not remember it | :31:00. | :31:09. | |
being chiselled on the Ed stone, but perhaps the honourable lady can | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
refresh our memory. Anyone who saw the photographs of Prime Minister | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
and the visit to advantage day care nursery in toll worth will know was | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
this policy had blue fingerprints all eve it. I'm pleased the bill was | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
one of the first the Government introduced and the Government made | :31:33. | :31:39. | |
it clear that promoting social aspiration is at the heart of its | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
agenda. Ensuring young people get the best start in life, no matter | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
what their background is at the core of Conservative mission. For me it | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
is one of core duties of any Government and what I hope to | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
achieve as a member of Parliament. It is what my parents worked to | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
achieve in the teaching profession. 30 hours free child care has two | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
objectives. First, is to ease the burden on parents who want to go | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
back to work. Parents who are either prohibited or restricted in their | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
ambition to do so by the gap between their low pay and the high cost of | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
child care. It is right that 30 hours free child care formed a | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
central plank of our offer to hard working families during the general | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
election and we are working to deliver that now. The second | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
objective of 30 hours free child care is significantly to improve the | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
life chances of our next generation and it is that aim of policy that I | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
want to speak to this afternoon. Early years education has been the | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
Cinderella of schooling policy, more and more evidence has pointed to the | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
fact that emotional and physical health, the social skills, the | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
linguistic facilities we develop in early years are the prerequisite for | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
attainment in school, the work place and in the community. It is not | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
surprising therefore that research suggests that early years education | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
is the critical ingredient to close the educational achievement gap | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
between children from low income and high income households before | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
starting primary school. Investment in early years education is cost | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
effective and more than one study from the US has found Nat average | :33:36. | :33:43. | |
benefit tohe found the average Nat -- found the average benefit was | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
almost $200,000. Recent Department for Education figures show in | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
England one in four children are starting primary school without the | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
expected level of early language skills and save the children have | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
carried o' ought survey last week which found that 75% of teachers see | :34:05. | :34:13. | |
children struggling to speak English properly. This is simply not good | :34:14. | :34:21. | |
enough. Children in my local authority perform above average in | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
their speech and language development at age five. Thanks in | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
part to the excellent teaching we part to the excellent teaching we | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
have in the area. However, the poorest children are almost twice as | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
likely to fall behind and are about a year behind at the age of five. | :34:38. | :34:41. |