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tackle this on a unanimous basis across Europe. Urgent question, Mr

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Alex Cunningham. To ask the Minister to make a statement about assistance

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from the EU Solidarity fund for flood hit communities. Thank you, Mr

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Speaker. Mr Speaker, I first want to pay tribute to all those who have

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supported many places that were flooded in December and early

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January. The local authorities, emergency services, Environment

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Agency staff, community volunteers and military and many others made a

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significant contribution to supporting those communities

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affected by the terrible events we saw over Christmas, over December

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and through early January. The whole house will want to recognise those

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that made the enormous effort that went into supporting households and

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businesses, not just the initial response to the floods but also the

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ongoing work to get residents back in the home and businesses open. The

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responsibility for recovery, including the European Union

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Solidarity fund, lies with DC LG. Officials in DC LG have worked hard

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through that period but continue to work hard to support those

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communities and those affected by those events. The Government

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recognises the immediate priority is to respond to the urgent needs of

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those affected, so we have already provided over ?2 million -- ?200

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million to those affected by the floods to support recovery and

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repair. The key aspect is the business recovery scheme, offering

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readying support to local councils affected to in turn help

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individuals, small and medium-size businesses and communities to her

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return to normality. It provides property level resilience grants of

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up to ?5,000 so people can protect homes and businesses against future

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plans by putting in place resilient repairs. To date, under the

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communities and business recovery scheme, the Government has paid out

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?21 million. Desmond and ?20 million. Eva and we are also

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supporting farmers with grants of up to ?20,000 to help restore damaged

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agricultural land, farm vehicles, boundaries and drainage. Having set

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out what the Government has already done, I want to turn to what more we

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can do. I am today announcing the UK Government will make an application

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to the EU Solidarity fund. The EU US air was set up to respond to major

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natural disasters, the fund was created as a reaction to severe

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floods in Central Europe in the summer of 2002. Since then, it has

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been used for 70 disasters covering a range of catastrophic events

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including floods, forest fires, earthquakes, storms and drought. The

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only time the UK has applied for the fund was the flooding of 2007, which

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saw widespread and significant damage across large swathes of

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England. Member states have 12 weeks from the start of an incident to

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register their intended to claim. We have confirmed our intent and once

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confirmed, there is time to consider, with the commission, the

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element of assessment. Following this process, the commission

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assesses the application and if it is accepted, proceeds to donate.

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Once the decision has been a bag of loot made, it is then paid out in a

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single instalment. When aid is paid out, the affected state is

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responsible for the implementation, including the selection of

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operations and their audit and control. Emergency finance may be

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used retrospectively from day one of the disaster but EU SF is not an

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noisy design to be a rapid responses and for dealing with the effects of

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a natural disaster. Grand can only be applied to the state following an

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application and budgetary process which can take several months to

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complete. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I thank the Minister and my fellow

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Stockton MP for his response, which is extremely welcome today. And it

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has taken an urgent question to get the information from the Government,

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so I am delighted that you granted it. I know there has been

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considerable confusion in Government for which department was responsible

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for making the application and I've 1am absolutely delighted at the news

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we have today. I was also pleased the Enviroment Secretary told the

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House last month she was considering an application,

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only to have one of her civil servants and so my letter telling me

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it was a DC LG responsibility. We now know the answer, it is a DC LG

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responsibility and I am glad they have taken it on. We know it is a

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Government response was once ability to apply to the Solidarity fund,

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getting communities the much needed funding to get their lives back on

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track. The whole house knows of the devastation across the country over

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the Christmas period and into the first months of this year. Recovery

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costs in Cumbria alone are estimated at 650 million. Other estimates

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suggest the clean-up bill will exceed ?5 billion. It is therefore

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imperative the Government does everything possible to maximise

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resources from all possible areas to support them. I was pleased to hear

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the Enviroment Secretary confirm in a statement to the House on the 5th

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of January that the Government will continue to do what it takes to get

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these areas up and running and prepare for future events. But for

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nearly three months, there gesturing at a willingness to support

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assistance, the Government have been shy at submitting an application.

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Members and constituents have been left in the dark as it appeared the

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Government would fail to make an application for help from the EU

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Solidarity fund, which was established to respond to precisely

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such natural disasters as those experienced in Cumbria, Lancashire,

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North Yorkshire and Scotland. The fund has been used by states across

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the EU in response to 70 disasters ranging from flooding and forest

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fires to have quake sandstorms. Just last year, Italy, Bulgaria and

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Romania received more than 40 million in similar circumstances.

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You will know that we on this site have been extremely anxious that

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this opportunity could in fact be lost. To be clear, the first loves

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for which an application could be first made for in Cumbria was 11 and

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a half weeks ago -- first floods. It has taken the Government to one

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single day before the deadline to confirm an application. We know

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there are those that strongly believe we get little from the EU. I

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am clear the UK should be embracing the offer of additional support,

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particularly having paid ?300 million into the fund since it was

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set up. Will the Minister outlined what discussions he has had across

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Government and with local authorities in those areas affected

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in the preparation of the application? Why have members and

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communities been left in the dark for so long when it would have been

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a boost to them to know that more help would soon be on the way? What

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is the final estimate of the cost of the devastation suffered by our

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communities and how much is Government bidding for? Is there

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just one application or will there be multiple applications reflecting

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the fact that a number of communities were affected and each

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could qualify due to the level of devastation they have suffered?

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Finally, I am aware that my Stockton neighbour and I will be on opposite

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sides in another debate, that of whether or not we remain in the

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European Union. Does the Minister not agree that it is fund is like

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the Solidarity fund that can and I hope will ring great benefits to our

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community is not just hit by natural disasters, but also to those like

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his constituency and mine, where there are large numbers of people

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suffering considerable deprivation. There does seem to be a fundamental

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misunderstanding. The Government has been working on this application for

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some time. You have to draw together a range of information across

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Government departments talking with local areas, assessing the cost and

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impact of events that have taken place. That is what we have been

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doing and will continue to do. As more information comes through, as

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we go through the process of supporting communities, we will

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ensure the application is thorough, that it accounts for all

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opportunities to add to it and recognise the damage done and those

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discussions have been taking place across Government in the right way,

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in the right time frame, so we were able to make the announcement we

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have. I congratulate the officials in my department who have been

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working hard on that and across Government departments who have been

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working hard, to bring the information together so we can

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announce the application has been made. It will continue to evolve as

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more information comes through but as I said earlier, the European

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Union Solidarity Fund is not designed to be a rapid response to

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events of this kind. It is a longer term fund to provide compensation to

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communities and even though an application is now being made, it

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will take months for that money to be paid. We, though, will continue

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in our commitment to support those communities, it is EU SF to provide

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the funding and backing they need, as we have done so far to make sure

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the communities affected by the terrible weather events we have seen

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get the support they need to recover as quickly as possible. I would

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gently say to the Minister and there has, in 2011, we suffered disastrous

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floods in Somerset. We looked at this fund very closely indeed. The

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Prime Minister and my local area. We made the decision it was not going

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to be applied for at that time because it was too complicated, too

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difficult and the benefit to the communities wasn't going to be

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there. It doesn't matter, they can chant as much as they want on the

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opposition benches. We have now made the area that was flooded in

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Somerset save through UK funding. The proof of the pudding is this

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year, we haven't even had to switch on the main pumps. It has worked.

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You don't need this funding to do what you have to do to secure your

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communities. My honourable friend has demonstrated an understanding of

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the EU SF which is absent on the front bench opposite. It is a

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complex fund. It does require a number of packs to be taken into

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consideration, there is an administration process which will

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take a long time and cost a significant amount. That is why we

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had to do a proper assessment to understand whether it would be of

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net benefit to the UK taxpayer to make an application before we could

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make an announcement I can confirm today. That is the right process and

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my honourable friend has demonstrated his deep understanding

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from his own constituency experience and the complexity of the matters.

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Can a welcome the statement, he talks about a rapid response. Where

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was the rapid decision-making process from the government? I

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honestly welcome it today, but it was not a difficult question. If you

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have an insurance policy, of course we will cash it in, why would we

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not? It is logical and sensible. Can I ask a couple of questions. In

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relation to Scotland, has the Minister and his department on a

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calculation on how much money will come to Scotland due to the Barnett

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consequential is? And is this a timescale? The rapid response I was

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talking about was the money the government made available, the hard

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work done, particularly by my colleagues and officials in DEFRA,

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the work that was stunned straightaway to support communities

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affected by flooding. One of the factors that has delayed the

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process, which has made it more fickle to process this complicated

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application that underpins the Solidarity fund, has been the

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information we needed from the Scottish Government. If it had

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responded quicker, we may have been able to respond earlier. Hallelujah.

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Hallelujah. Three weeks ago I asked the Prime Minister why we were not

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applying for these funds. I am delighted we are now doing so. I had

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over 300 of my households hit by the floods, a third of them are not

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covered by insurance because of the high premiums and excess. In one

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case, a business has been closed since Boxing Day, they have lost

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tens of thousands of pounds, and still have ongoing costs. Hopefully

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be able be open by Easter. Can he make sure that government ministers

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will look again at the number of businesses that have been hit during

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those floods, to see how much extra assistance, our money, we can get

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them to help them back into business? There are thresholds that

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have to be met, there is assessment of damage that has to be done. There

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is no guarantee that application to this fund would apply and deliver

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it. Nevertheless we have come to this decision. I am delighted it

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pleases him. I would be happy to have discussions about individual

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businesses, but I would remind him, regardless of what happens, the

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government has made significant funding, which is available now. We

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do not have to wait for this to come through. Speed is of the essence. I

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constituency was not damaged in the most recent flood, but in the past

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speed is of the essence. I have known people in my constituency

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waiting not just months, but years to get that in their home to get a

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decent standard of life. It is all very well for the Minister to be

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uncharitable, and the fact is, people do not just want boots on the

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day, they want action after the flooding. He is right, speed is of

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the essence. The government has made ?200 million to areas affected, and

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it was made available as quickly as possible. The support is there. This

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fund will take time to pay out. That is the way that the process works.

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It will take months from the date of application to come to conclusion.

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We have decided to apply it because it is of net benefit to the UK to do

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so. It is available straightaway. My honourable friend says this is an

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important application that has been made, but can he put it in context?

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Every day as British taxpayers, we pave ?50 million to the European

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Union. How much does he think we are going to get back, to be or four

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days contributions? My honourable friend makes this point better than

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I would choose to do. The Minister has indicated the notification of

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intent to apply at all stages. Surely this could have been done

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weeks ago to get the process underway? When did he apply, today,

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yesterday? How much does he think he will actually recover? What do they

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expect to recover from the European Union for this, and is he aware that

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the closure of one of the roads in Cumbria is causing massive impact on

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the local economy. ?1 million a day. A massive impact on families and

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businesses. The sense of urgency is lacking. Will he just get on with

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it? I have to make clear that there is no guarantee that this fund will

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bring net benefit to the UK, or that it would be possible to apply until

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a proper assessment has been done of the levels of damage, whether we

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qualify. Bat assessment has been done, we have announced over

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intention to apply before the deadline, we will work through the

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process to ensure the UK gets the maximum benefit that can be

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delivered. Separate to that, the government is already doing what

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needs to be done to support these communities. My honourable friend,

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the Minister that DEFRA, has been doing work in Cumbria. As he knows,

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to make sure they get the support they need, regardless of the

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progress made with this fund. It will take time, but we are committed

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to applying it. The UK paid 36.5 million into the EU stability fund

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last year. The second-largest contributor, and we have only

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cleaned once, and is our reluctance to claim as we do not get very much

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out of it? We are paying into an insurance scheme that we cannot

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claim on. He is right, there is an interplay between fans and what is

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being paid out. It is a complex process and there are restrictions

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on how much money released can be spent. We have made the assessment

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and believe the fund will be of net benefit to the UK, so we are

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announcing our intention to make that application. The announcement

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is welcome but long overdue. What specific discussions has the

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government had with local authorities in Scotland to ensure

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the appropriate amount is sort for flooded communities? He raises an

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important question. Much of this is a devolved matter through government

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Scotland, but we have in discussing with them the information that

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underpins the part of the application which applies to

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Scotland. This is excellent news, and while I accept there are

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complexities involved, what is unpalatable and a horrendous burden

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for people in Calder Valley is the infrastructure damage and a

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shortfall of ?15 million for future flood defences. Can hear sure the

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people of the Calder Valley that this fund has been applied for soap

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costs for repairs to infrastructure and shortfalls in flood defences

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will be met by the fund or the government? He has been in one of

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the most dashing he has been one of the most diligent and passionate

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advocate since the storms in December and January. Hardly a day

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goes by when we do not discuss matters pertaining to Calder Valley.

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The government is committed to supporting these communities. We are

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continuing to work with local authorities to make sure it is done,

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and his representations have been helpful in the process of recovery

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and I'm sure in going forward as well. I outlined at my Westminster

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Hall debate last month the cost of the damage in my constituency and

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the neighbouring Calder Valley. I have been clear about how much we

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are hoping to secure. Through the assessments, can you give us an

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indication of exactly what funding the value will be available? I would

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put on record the appreciation for the constructive nature we had in

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Westminster Hall, it brought out the best of this place when we bring out

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the best we can. She will appreciate that we are at this stage of having

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identified the reality that applying would be of net benefit to the UK.

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We still have a lot of work to do to finalise costs and figures to the

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commission, so I am not in a position to confirm what the net

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benefit will be at the end of this process, but we will keep the House

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updated. To not give false hope to the community is everyone is talking

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about, he must see that there is no guarantee of us ever receiving this

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process, when you get to the European process when we apply for

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money to come back, it becomes even more complicated than the timeline

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is extremely long. Could he give a rough idea as to how long the

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timeline went on for in 2007, and also assure the communities that

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there is money the government is spending that is helping them. This

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is not a rapid response fund. This takes a long time to come through,

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and the government made money available straightaway. Over ?200

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million to the communities. I think what he says is very valid and

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something that members opposite should listen to carefully and take

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into account. We all welcome the announcement today, and we all felt

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the misery of people affected on the TV screens. In my area, it is

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vulnerable to flooding, so my constituents will be pleased to hear

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this news, but they will be baffled as to why it has taken so long.

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Given what a miserable experience it is to go through, it would have been

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helpful to communicate the government's contention earlier, and

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can you give assurance that if this happens again, funding will be

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available in the future. I cannot give the assurance that the

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government will always apply for the fund, because we may not always meet

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the criteria to apply. But we will ensure the cost of delivering it

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does not outweigh the benefit coming from it, including the impact on the

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rebate. We will ensure communities get the support they need, more than

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?200 million for the communities that need it. I welcome his

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decision. Can he give an assurance that this application is successful

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it will not be used to offset funding allocated from other

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resources, and will improve defences along the Humber estuary and

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elsewhere? We do not know how long this will take to be paid, but we

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will ensure that communities get the support they need. The government

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has made that available, and we continue to work with local

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authorities to deliver it. We will keep honourable members updated as

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we progress. Businesses in my constituency are absolutely baffled

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as to why the government has left it until the 11th hour to get this

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funding. Can he assure me that he will get the application in by

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Sunday, and doesn't he agree with me that this is a great argument for us

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remaining in the European Union? I am disappointed that local

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businesses are baffled, but I'm sure she will explain to them the reality

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of the process. This is not a rapid reaction fund. You have to make sure

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you assess damage and meet thresholds. It is still a lot of

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work to be done to ensure we fully understand and apply for every bit

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of applicable damage that has taken place. We have announced that we

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will undertake that process, and in the meantime we have already made

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funding available. It will take months for this fund to be out.

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Further to the point made by my honourable friend, could the

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Minister please advise the House what support the government can give

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small businesses and homeowners to improve Brazilians for future

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flooding to prevent this from happening again? -- improve

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resilience. It is an opportunity to remind that the government is making

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available ?500,000 to properties for the resilience grant, and we are

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encouraging householders to apply for this. Properties can invest in

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joint flood defence schemes. The antics of the British

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nationalists would be quite funny. The Minister stated in his statement

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that the Scottish Government took so long to respond. But the reality is

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that the Cabinet Secretary for infrastructure wrote to the

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Department and as well as the Deputy First Minister, raise the issue on

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the floor of the Scottish parliament itself, is this has long winded

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answer? I'm not sure what the question was

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Mr Speaker, but the reality is the UK responded immediately to the

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weather events we saw over December and January. We made funding

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available, we gave local authorities freedom and control over how it was

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to be spent and delivered, that is the right thing to do. There is

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still work to be done on a recovery and we are doing that and will

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continue to do it until all of the communities feel they can get back

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to normal and back open for business and we can move on from what has

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been a very difficult period for so many. Hundreds of my constituents in

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Nottinghamshire have benefited from the repair and renew grants, or

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resilience grants, operated by the minister's department and seems to

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be operating well and getting money to people quickly. A number of my

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constituents did something very altruistic and chose to pool B

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grants, not just for small community projects but for defence schemes. We

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managed to find a workaround so it was achieved. Can the Minister

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assure me and other members that elsewhere in the country,

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communitywide altruistic schemes like that can be the use of the

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?5,000 repair and renew grants question mark absolutely. A ?5,000

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property level resilience grants for each property can be pooled so long

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as the property is concerned benefit from the pooling. We have designed

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the scheme is to be as flexible as possible to respond to different

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circumstances in different places but moreover, to respond quickly,

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unlike the fund we are discussing today which will take several months

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from this date until it is paid out. Splendid, Anna Johnson. Mr Speaker,

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can I tell the Minister that my constituents were badly flooded in

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2007 and they would have been gassed if the Labour Government had not

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immediately said they would apply for the Solidarity Fund. Can the

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Minister just say exactly when the decision was made to actually make

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the application? He is not offering much rias euros when he says there

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is still work to do if the deadline is on Sunday this week. The

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intention is in accordance with the process that exists, is to indicate

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our intention to apply. I would be staggered had any Government

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immediately announced an intention to apply for the fund because you

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can't, you have to assess the impact on regional GDP, you have to be

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assessed and see if you qualify. You can announce you are applying but

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may not be able to qualify. The sensible thing to do is to assess

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and make a decision in time to apply if it is appropriate, which is what

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this Government has done. I welcome what the Minister has said today and

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I thank him for the Government's decisive action to address flood

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risks, including the Environment Agency's commitment to spend over

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?500,000 this year to address the flood risk in my village. Will he

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encourage me in joining the many tourists that come to the

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communities and encourage them to visit this Easter? It is absolutely

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the case that many areas affected by the flooding some of the most

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beautiful parts of the country, some of the most beautiful parts of the

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North of England. There are businesses that are very much open

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for business and we are encouraging people to continue to visit and

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indeed to consider making a visit to these wonderful places, to support

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their economies and continue to support those communities, many of

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which are open almost as though nothing had happened, working

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through what has been trying period but has shown the very best of the

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community spirit exists across the North. Given that large parts of

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Greater Manchester were flooded, can I welcome the Government's

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signalling of its intent to apply for these funds and the Minister

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implied in his response that the Government have been working on the

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detail of this bid for some time. So perhaps he can clarify to the House

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the detail of what the Government intends to use the funds for. Will

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it be to assist local authorities with the ongoing reconstruction work

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after the floods or will it be to future proof our flood defences

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going forwards? The Government has priority is to support those

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communities today. We have ensured that funding is available

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immediately to do that. We are still working through the process of this

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fund application and will continue to do that for as long as it looks

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like it will produce a net benefit to the UK. We will pursue it and

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ensure it is delivered because we can see the benefits to communities.

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What matters to communities like those he represents is the quick

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response, the funding made available and the support given to local to

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deliver immediately for their immediate needs and recovery

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following thereafter. We have continued to make funds available to

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do it, we have made that commitment and we will stick to it. Business

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question, Mr Chris Bryant. Will the Leader of the House give us the

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future business? Mr Speaker, next week, Monday the 29th of February,

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we will start with a motion to approve a statutory instrument

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relating to the European Union referendum and there will then be an

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opposition half day debate on the UK's steel industry. Tuesday the 1st

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of March will be the first allotted day of estimates. There will be a

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debate on the foreign Commonwealth Office and the 2015 Spending Review,

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followed by a debate on the reform of the police spending for Miller.

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On the 2nd of March, the second allotted this village today for

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estimates, followed by a debate upon end of life car. The House will then

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be asked to agree all outstanding estimates, followed by proceedings

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on the appropriation and adjustments bill. Further details will be in

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