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Order. Statement. The Prime Minister.

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With permission I would likd to read a statement on the G20 summht in

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China but before I turn to the G20, I would like to say something about

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the process of Brexit. On 23rd of June, the British people were asked

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to vote on whether we should stay in the EU or leave. The majority

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decided to leave. Our task hs to deliver the will of the British

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people and negotiate the best possible deal for our country. I

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know many people are keen to see what rapid progress, to see rapid

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progress and to understand what post Brexit Britain will look like. We

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are getting on with the vit`l work but we must also think throtgh the

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issues in a sober and considered weight and this is about getting the

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kind of deal that is ambitious and bowled for Britain. It is not about

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the Norway model, the Swiss model or any other country, it is about

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developing our own British lodel. We will not take decisions unthl we are

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ready, we will not reveal otr hand prematurely, and we will not provide

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a running commentary on every twist and turn of negotiations. And I say

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that because that is not thd best way to conduct a strong and mature

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negotiation that would deliver the best deal for the people of this

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country. As the Secretary of State for exiting the European Unhon told

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the House on Monday, we will maximise and seize the opportunities

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that Brexit presents. That hs the approach I took to the G20 summit.

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This was the first time... This was the first time that the world's

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leading economies have come together since the UK's decision to leave the

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EU and it demonstrated the leading role we continue to play in the

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world as a bold, ambitious `nd outward looking nation. Building on

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our strength as a great trading nation, we were clear that we had to

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resist a retreat to protecthonism and we had conversations about how

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we can explore new bilateral trading negotiations with key partndrs

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around the world. We initiated important discussions on responding

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to rising globalisation sentiment and ensuring the world's economy

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works for everyone. And we continue to play our part in working with our

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allies to confront the clothing -- growing challenges of terrorism and

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migration. Trading with partners around the globe has been the

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foundation of our prosperitx in the past and it will underpin otr

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prosperity in the future. Under my leadership, as we leave the EU,

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Britain will seek to become the global leader in free trade. At this

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summit we secured widespread agreement across the G20 to resist a

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retreat to protectionism, including a specific agreement to extdnd the

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rollback of protectionist mdasures until the end of 2018. The G20 all

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so committed to ratify by the end of this year the WTO agreement to

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reduce the costs and burdens of moving goods across borders and it

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agreed to do more to encour`ge firms of all sizes, in particular female

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lead firms, to take full advantage of global supply chains. Brhtain

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also continued to press for an ambitious EU trade agenda, hncluding

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in lamenting the EU- Canada deal and forging agreements with Jap`n and

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America and we will continud to make these items as long as we are

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members of the EU. But as wd leave the EU, we will also forge our own

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new trade deals and I am pldased to say that just as the UK is pleased

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to put -- seize the opportunities that leaving the EU represents, so

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our international partners. They said they would welcomd talks

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on removing barriers to trade between the countries. The

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Australian tradesman is to visited yesterday to take part in

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exploratory talks on the UK and Australia trade deal. In our

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bilateral at the end of the summit, the president of China made clear

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that China would welcome discussions on a trade agreement with the UK. As

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we do more to advance free trade around the world, so we must also do

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more to ensure working people really benefit from the opportunithes it

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creates. Across the world today many feel these opportunitids do not

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seem to come to them. They feel a lack of control over their lives.

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They have a job but no job security, our home but worrying about paying

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the mortgage. They are just about managing but life is hard. Ht is not

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enough for governments to take a hands,off

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approach. At this summit I `rgued that we need to deliver an dconomy

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that works that everyone. Bold action at home and cooperathon

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abroad. That is why in Brit`in we are developing a proper indtstrial

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strategy to improve producthvity in every part of the country so more

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people can share in our prosperity through higher real wages and

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greater opportunities for young people. And to restore greater

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fairness we will be consulthng on new measures to tackle corporate

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irresponsibility. Cracking down on excessive corporate pay, poor

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corporate governance and tax avoidance. And giving custolers

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representations on company boards. At the G20, this mission of ensuring

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the comedy works for everyone was echoed by other leaders. Thhs is an

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agenda that Britain will continue to lead in the months and years ahead.

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Together we agreed to continue efforts to fight corruption.

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Building on the London Summht and doing more to prevent aggressive tax

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avoidance, stopping companids avoiding tax by shifting profits to

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one jurisdiction from anothdr. We agree to work together to address

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the causes of global industries and is such as this cyst steel hndustry.

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And also deal with market distortions. All of the steps are

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important if we aren't to rdtain support for free trade and The Open

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economies that are the bedrock of global growth. Turning to global

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security, Britain remains at the heart of the fight and we dhscussed

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the need for plans to prevent foreign fighters dispersing from

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Irani, Syria and Libya. We want to limit the financing of all terrorist

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organisations and more action to improve safety and security in the

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aviation industry. We hope some things will be adopted by the end of

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this month. We also need to confront the ideology that underpins this

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terrorism. That means addressing both violent and non-violent

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extremism and working across borders to tackle radicalisation online

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Turning to the migration crhsis Britain will continue to medt its

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obligations to the poorest hn the world and support refugees. We will

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make further commitments at President Obama's summit in New York

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later this month. At the G20 I also argued that we cannot shy away from

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dealing with illegal migrathon. I will be returning to this at the UN

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General Assembly. We need to improve how we distinguish between refugees

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and economic migrants. This will allow economies to benefit from

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controlled migration and we will be able to get more help to refugees

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who need it and retain popular support for doing so. This doesn't

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just protect our own people. By reducing the scope for the lass

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population movements we are seeing today and investing the unddrlying

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drivers of mass migration at source, we can achieve better outcoles for

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the migrants themselves. As part of this new approach we need a more

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concerted effort to address modern slavery. This sickening trade, often

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using the same criminal networks that facilitate illegal migration is

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an affront to our humanity `nd I want Britain leading a glob`l effort

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to stamp it out. Mr Speaker, when the British people voted to leave

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the European Union, they did not vote to leave Europe. To turn

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inwards or to walk away frol the G20 or our international partners around

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the world. That has never bden the British way. We have always

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understood that our success as a sovereign nation is in a strip of

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the bound in trade and coopdration with others. By building on existing

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relationships and shaping an ambitious global role, we whll make

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a successful exit for us and our European partners and continue to

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strengthen the prosperity of generations to come and I commend

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this statement to the house. Jeremy Kerley bin. I would like to thank

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the Prime Minister for her statement on the G20's Summit and givhng me an

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advanced copy of it. I first went to China in 1998 to attend a United

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Nations conference on human rights. The same year, the European

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Convention on human rights was incorporated into UK law in our

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Human Rights Act. That legislation has protected the liberties of our

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people and held successive British governments to account. Which is why

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on this side of the house wd share the concerns of so many at the

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government's plans to repeal the Human Rights Act. The Prime Minister

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said she would not reveal hdr hand on this subject, nobody would blame

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her because she has revealed her hand or the government's many hands

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on this particular thing. They are unclear what they are trying to do.

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The G20 met in wake of the vote to leave the European Union. Wd accept

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the decision taken by the m`jority of our people but however, we cannot

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ignore this fact that the ottcome has left this country dividdd. With

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increased levels of hate crhmes my huge uncertainty about what comes

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next for our country and an extraordinary lack of plannhng and

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preparation on how to navig`te the post-referendum situation in

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relation to Europe. That uncertainty and division has been made worse by

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the government's ministers Lydia Ko posturing and often contradhctory

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messages which do not seem to add up to a considered position. Ydsterday,

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the Brexit secretary said staying in the single market was improbable,

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the Prime Minister's spokeslan said it was not the case, it is one or

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the other, it can't be both. Can the Prime Minister tell the house what

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the government's policy acttally is? The negotiation for Britain's

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withdrawal from the EU must focus on expanding trade, jobs and

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investment. Defending social employment and environmental

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protections and as many colleagues have raised during prime ministers

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questions, the uncertainty facing the universities for exampld, the

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member for Bristol West raised the issue, they need certainty of their

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relationship with European universities immediately. It cannot

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wait. Hahnemann and the public cannot be sidelined in this from the

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greatest constitutional change this country has embarked on in 20 years.

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Corporate globalisation is `n issue and has to be addressed. I `m

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pleased the T20 did address it. The T20 was formed in response to the

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global financial crisis of 2008 A devastating event triggered by

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reckless deregulation of thd financial sector. It is a model of

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running the global economy that the Prime Minister and acknowledges has

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produced huge increases in inequality and failed in its own

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terms. I raised this issue with President Obama during his visit

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earlier this year. It is cldar that rising levels of inequality in all

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of our economy is fuel insecurities and put people and communithes

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against each other. It has been 40 years since Britain has had to

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engage in high lateral tradd negotiations. The free-tradd

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government the pro-Minister spoke of has often been pursued at the

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expense of the worlds most fragile economies. It has been realhsed with

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destructive consequences for our environment. We need a UK trade

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agenda that protects people and the environment and I urge the Prime

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Minister to stand with me against the use of Britain's aid and trade

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policies to further the agenda of deregulation and privatisathon in

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developing countries. We nedd a trade policy values human rhghts and

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human dignity. In particular, in particular, could the Prime Minister

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informed the house about her talks with the Chinese president hn two

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crucial areas? The first I raised in my meeting with him last autumn The

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UK steel industry continues to face deeply challenging times. A key

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reason for this is the sale of cheap subsidised Chinese steel th`t is

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flooding the European markets. What assurances did the Chinese president

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give that this practice will stop and stop now because of the damage

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it is doing to the steel industry in this country and others? On the

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question of Hinckley, drink the summer, the Prime Minister `nnounced

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she was postponing the decision on the new nuclear reactor at Hinkley

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point. Could the Prime Minister take this opportunity to explain why she

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decided to postpone the dechsion and could she also point at which aspect

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of the contract she is re-examining? Finally, the Prime Minister was

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involved in discussions at the G20 around global challenges to

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security. As the convex brutal conflicts continue across the Middle

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East, we need a concerted global response to these challenges. The

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human cost of the refugee crisis and the thousands downing in thd sea

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each year must be our number one concern and our number-1

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humanitarian response. That is why I remain concerned that at thd heart

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of this government's Security strategy is increased arms dxports

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to the very part of the world that most immediately threatens the

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security. The British government continues to sell arms to S`udi

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Arabia which are being used to commit crimes against humanhty in

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Yemen. Which has been clearly detailed by the UN and other

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agencies. Will the Prime Minister commit today to halting arms sales

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to Saudi Arabia that have bden used to prosecute this war in Yelen with

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the humanitarian devastation that has resulted from that? Thank you Mr

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Speaker. The Right Honourable gentleman raised a number of issues.

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May I comment, he raised and referred to the question of hate

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crimes that have taken placd in the United Kingdom. We have abott

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history in the UK welcoming people to this country and there is no

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place in this society for h`te crimes. The government has published

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a new action plan against h`te crime and we are concerned about the level

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of hate crime we have seen. The Foreign Secretary and Home Secretary

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met Polish ministers this wdek to discuss the particular concdrn about

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attacks that have taken place on Polish people here in the UK. We

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were very clear and the polhce are clear that they will, anyond who has

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been a victim of hate crime allegations taking place should take

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those allegations to the police He talked about the issue of what we

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will be doing in negotiations with the European Union. I coverdd this

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in my statement of what we will be doing as we negotiate our ldaving

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from the EU is to negotiate a new relationship with the Europdan

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Union. That will include control on the movement of people from the EU

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to the UK. I don't think he referred to that. It will also be about

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getting the right deal for trade in goods and services that we want to

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see. It will be a new relathonship. As I indicated in my statemdnt and

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in prime ministers questions earlier, I will not be giving a

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running commentary and the government will not. And thdre is a

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good reason for that, we want to get the best deal. We want to gdt the

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right deal for the United Khngdom. If we were to give a constant

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running commentary and give away our negotiating hand, that would not be

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what we achieve. He referred to the issue of steel, I raised thd issue

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of overproduction, this was important because it was not just

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being raised with the Chinese government but with all of the

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leaders around that table. Crucially the G20 have recognised the

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significance of this and recognised the issue of the steps that some

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governments are taking which are leading to some of the problems that

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we see, that is why the new forum has been introduced which whll look

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at these issues and the Chinese will be sitting on that forum.

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I don't just take a decision without looking at the analysis, I `m

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looking at the details, looking at the analysis, and a decision will be

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taken later this month. On Saudi Arabia, I met the deputy Prhnce at

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the G20. I did raise with hhm the concerns about reports of what might

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have happened in the Yemen. I insisted that these should be

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properly investigated. But the Leader of the Opposition sahd that

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in relation to our relations with Saudi Arabia, he referred to what

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happens in Saudi Arabia as being, I think he implied that it was a

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threat to the safety of people in the UK. What matters is the strength

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of our relationship with Satdi Arabia on issues like dealing with

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terrorism, counterterrorism issues. It is that relationship that has

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helped keep people on the streets of Britain safe. And can I just say to

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the Right honourable gentlelan, I have a very clear view, as does the

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Conservative Party on this side of the House, that if we are going to

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see prosperity and growth in the economies around the world, the way

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to get there is through fred trade. Free trade has underpinned the

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prosperity of this country. I will take no lessons from the right

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honourable gentleman on acthon to help developing countries and those

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who are in poverty elsewherd in the world because of this government has

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a fine record in terms of what we have them in humanitarian stpport,

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in educating girls and others around the world and in helping people to

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have access to medical care, water and the resources they need. But it

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is a free trade that underphns our growth. We will be the glob`l leader

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in free trade and it is also the best anti-poverty policy for those

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countries. I will be an unashamed, unashamedly will go out there and

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give the message that we want a free-trade country and I am only

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sorry that the Labour Party is turning its back on something that

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has led to the prosperity of the United Kingdom.

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May I congratulate my right honourable friend on her emphatic

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support for free trade? In the European Union, we currentlx run a

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deficit with the other 27 mdmber states, according to the Office of

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National Statistics, of ?62 billion a year. However, we run a strplus

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with the same goods and services with the rest of the world which

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went up by around ?10 billion last year alone. Will my right honourable

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friend continue her crusade for free trade to develop our world

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opportunities through Brexit and Jim assured that the European Commission

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and the European Union no longer continues to run our trade policy,

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we will do it ourselves and do it really well.

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My honourable friend is right, we have an opportunity and I w`nt to

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make sure that we are ambithous in seizing those opportunities to

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develop those trade deals around the world. We will be developing that

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new relationship with the Etropean Union which will be, part of which,

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will be how we trade with the EU in relation to goods and services, but

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we have the opportunity to develop those trading relationships around

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the rest of the world. We c`n't formally have those deals in place

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and operating until we leavd the European Union but we can do the

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gravitation -- preparation to make sure they are there when we need

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them. Can I thank the Prime Minister for

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an advanced copy of this st`tement. The G20 summit was very much cast

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with the Brexit vote and her own Brexit brainstorming from the

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previous week. I read one rdport about it that said what Brexit

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appeared to mean at the G20 was the Prime Minister getting shunted to

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the back of the role of the leaders group photo, being briefed `gainst

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by the Americans and the Japanese, and being left to pick up the fact

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that Mexico, Australia and Singapore have expressed a vague interest in

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doing trade deals. The Consdrvatives on the other side don't likd it but

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this is how other countries are viewing the UK internationally. G20

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leaders are as keen as this all to actually learn what on earth the UK

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Government's plans are for leaving the European Union. I asked the

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Prime Minister twice during Prime Minister's Questions a really simple

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question and since then she has said, and I quote, she is not giving

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a running commentary, which seems more like no commentary whatsoever,

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and she is not going to comlent on every twist and turn. Being a full

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member of the European single market is not a twist, it is not a turn, it

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is absolutely fundamental to business across the United Kingdom.

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Does she seriously expect to be able to hold out for years in not

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confirming whether she wants the UK to remain a full member of the

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single market? Can she tell us now, does she want the UK to rem`in fully

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within the single market? Yds or no? On trade, we know that the Tnited

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States and pretty much everx other country wants a trade deal with the

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European Union ahead of the United Kingdom and trade deal with the UK

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only after it leaves the European Union. Can the Prime Ministdr tell

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us how many trade negotiators the UK Government has actually hirdd since

:23:03.:23:06.

the referendum? On immigrathon, we learned that the promise of a

:23:07.:23:09.

points-based immigration system is ditched. At the same time, the UK

:23:10.:23:15.

Government have plans to drhll blaze a policy first mooted by Donald

:23:16.:23:22.

Trump and build a wall. Is the Prime Minister not totally ashamed? Surely

:23:23.:23:25.

she can come up with somethhng better than this. And on spdcific

:23:26.:23:31.

funding questions, voters wdre promised if they voted leavd that

:23:32.:23:37.

the National Health Service would receive an extra ?350 million a

:23:38.:23:46.

week, a week! Will be Prime Minister confirmed that this promise, like

:23:47.:23:52.

the immigration promise madd by the league campaign, is being broken? Mr

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Speaker, a very important qtestion that matters to a lot of people in

:23:58.:24:01.

postal communities -- coast`l communities in Scotland is `bout the

:24:02.:24:04.

funding that they were due to receive of more than 100 million

:24:05.:24:11.

euros from the European Marhtime and fisheries fund between now `nd 023.

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There has been no commitment whatsoever from the UK Government to

:24:18.:24:22.

honour that funding round. Will she give it now? Mr Speaker, it has been

:24:23.:24:31.

very problematic in recent weeks to have to deal with a situation where

:24:32.:24:36.

the Prime Minister's party has suggested that EU citizens shouldn't

:24:37.:24:40.

participate fully in Scottish public life. We on these benches totally

:24:41.:24:48.

repudiate that narrow-minded, racist and xenophobic position. Thd Prime

:24:49.:24:56.

Minister is shaking her head. She should be aware of this. Will she

:24:57.:25:01.

take the opportunity to this associate her party from thhs,

:25:02.:25:08.

apologise for it and confirl that we value the contribution of Etropean

:25:09.:25:11.

Union citizens living in thhs country and we are grateful for it?

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Finally, Mr Speaker,... As the right honourable gentleman has taken twice

:25:22.:25:26.

as much time as he was allocated, I trust his last sentence will be a

:25:27.:25:31.

pity one. And the Prime Minhster has not had time yet to make an oral

:25:32.:25:35.

statement to the House on the important matter of the Est`tes

:25:36.:25:39.

review of the MoD so will she confirmed the commitment thd

:25:40.:25:42.

government has given to comlunities that they will be consultathon with

:25:43.:25:47.

them before final decision `nd announcements are made? It's an

:25:48.:25:53.

extremely important matter but it is not obvious to me how it appertains

:25:54.:25:58.

to the G20. I will try and limit my response to

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the key issues in -- that I referred to in my statement. Can I jtst say

:26:04.:26:09.

on this issue of immigration, the right honourable gentleman says a

:26:10.:26:12.

points-based system has been rejected. What the people of the

:26:13.:26:17.

United Kingdom will before on the 23rd of June as part of the vote to

:26:18.:26:21.

leave the European Union was to have control over people who are moving

:26:22.:26:25.

from the European Union into the United Kingdom. A points-based

:26:26.:26:28.

system does not give you th`t control. What it does is it means

:26:29.:26:33.

that anybody who meets a certain set of criteria is automaticallx allowed

:26:34.:26:37.

to enter the country. It dods not give the country the opporttnity of

:26:38.:26:41.

the control and making the decisions as to who can enter the country And

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it is that degree of control, that issue of control, that we whll be

:26:48.:26:51.

looking for as we decide thd relationship we are going to have

:26:52.:26:55.

with the European Union in food He said a lot about trade deals with

:26:56.:26:58.

other countries, about opportunities, and so forth. What I

:26:59.:27:05.

saw at the G20 and my discussions with a number of other world leaders

:27:06.:27:11.

was a great willingness to seize the opportunities that come frol the UK

:27:12.:27:16.

leaving the European Union, to do exactly the sort of trade ddals that

:27:17.:27:19.

my Honourable Friend has just been referring to. I think we should as

:27:20.:27:26.

a United Kingdom, be willing to seize those opportunities. We should

:27:27.:27:29.

be ambitious in the deals wd wish to do around the world. We shotld be

:27:30.:27:34.

the global leader in free trade we should be taking those opportunities

:27:35.:27:37.

and ensuring that as we leave the European Union, we are able to have

:27:38.:27:41.

the relationships that will ensure growth and prosperity for the whole

:27:42.:27:45.

of the United Kingdom, incltding growth and prosperity for Scotland.

:27:46.:27:56.

Crispin Blunt. At the G20 whth the Saudi deputy crown is, you will have

:27:57.:28:00.

met the Saudi Foreign Minister who is now in London. Is she as

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delighted as I am that you lake clear to parliamentarians this

:28:06.:28:08.

morning that we can now add the GCC to the list of those parts of the

:28:09.:28:12.

world seeking an early tradd deal with the United Kingdom? I dcho the

:28:13.:28:17.

comments of my honourable friend. I am pleased that has been rehterated.

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It was an issue I discussed with the deputy crown in is and I am pleased

:28:23.:28:26.

the GCC are in a position to. Mr Tim Farron. I thank the Prime Mhnister

:28:27.:28:34.

for his statement. Now Australia today has joined America at the G20

:28:35.:28:39.

last week in slapping down her government, telling us we are at the

:28:40.:28:43.

back of the queue for a trade deal, the plain fact is that this

:28:44.:28:46.

government is not concealing its hand, it hasn't got a hand or, it

:28:47.:28:53.

would appear, a clue. Will the Prime Minister take this opportunhty to

:28:54.:28:56.

reassure business and confirm that we will remain a member of the

:28:57.:28:59.

European single market and will she agree with me that we trustdd the

:29:00.:29:03.

British people with the question of our departure so we should trust

:29:04.:29:07.

them with the question of otr destination and put whatever deal

:29:08.:29:10.

she negotiates to the British people in a referendum? Can I say to the

:29:11.:29:16.

honourable gentleman, he refers to the remarks that have been lade by

:29:17.:29:21.

the Australian Trade Ministdr, what he has done is simply to set out

:29:22.:29:25.

what the legal position is. I mentioned it in response to an

:29:26.:29:28.

earlier point and the legal position is this, that we are not able to

:29:29.:29:34.

finally sign or put into pl`ce, or put into practice trade deals with

:29:35.:29:37.

other countries while we relain a member of the European Union. That

:29:38.:29:42.

is the situation. It doesn't mean we can't prepare for that, it doesn't

:29:43.:29:46.

mean we can't be negotiating about that, but what I am also very clear

:29:47.:29:50.

about is that as long as we are full members of the European Union, until

:29:51.:29:54.

we leave, we will be advocates for free trade, we will be advocates for

:29:55.:29:58.

those trade deals that the Duropean Union is negotiating with other

:29:59.:30:04.

countries. I gave that commhtment to the Canada trade deal, I have given

:30:05.:30:07.

that commitment to President Obama in relation to teeter and the

:30:08.:30:12.

negotiation on that. We will pray our full part but we will bd looking

:30:13.:30:26.

to... Can I congratulate thd Prime Minister on the way she quite

:30:27.:30:29.

rightly puts forward the huge benefits of free trade. But I know

:30:30.:30:33.

that she will be aware and share the concerns, notably the financial and

:30:34.:30:38.

automotive sector, about anx consequences if we were to `bandon

:30:39.:30:42.

our membership of the singld market, which ensures that we can trade free

:30:43.:30:47.

of customs duties and with `ll the benefits that it confers. And while

:30:48.:30:51.

she is right to say that we don t want a running commentary on what

:30:52.:30:56.

now faces is, could I urge xou to consider we do need some prhnciples.

:30:57.:31:01.

And what assurances can she did was about customs duties and tariffs and

:31:02.:31:05.

our membership of that single market? I absolutely recognhse the

:31:06.:31:12.

important role in our automotive industry plays in the United

:31:13.:31:15.

Kingdom. I was very pleased a few days ago to visit Jaguar Land Rover

:31:16.:31:20.

and to see the huge success that has been made of that company and the

:31:21.:31:24.

extra employment they have brought. The growth that continues in that

:31:25.:31:30.

company. As regards this issue of the language that is used about

:31:31.:31:33.

membership of the single market access to the single market and so

:31:34.:31:37.

forth, what I would say to ly honourable friend is this, what I

:31:38.:31:41.

said earlier is, we want thd right deal for trade in goods and services

:31:42.:31:45.

for the United Kingdom. This is about saying when we are outside the

:31:46.:31:49.

European Union, what is the right relationship for us to have with the

:31:50.:31:53.

European Union on trade. Th`t is why I think it is important for us not

:31:54.:31:58.

to simply think of this as trying to replicate something here or

:31:59.:32:01.

something there but actuallx say, what is the deal we want for the

:32:02.:32:07.

future? That is the work th`t the Department for exiting the Duropean

:32:08.:32:10.

Union is doing at the moment, looking and particularly talking to

:32:11.:32:13.

different sectors, and the automotive industry will be one of

:32:14.:32:17.

those sectors, to ask what ht is they will be looking for, what they

:32:18.:32:21.

want to see, so we can forgd that deal and then go out there, be

:32:22.:32:27.

ambitious and get it. Hilarx Benn. Three months ago the intern`tional

:32:28.:32:30.

Syria support group agreed to back as a last resort airdrops to deliver

:32:31.:32:35.

much needed humanitarian supplies to the siege areas of that country

:32:36.:32:40.

including Aleppo. Since then, the only thing that has arrived from the

:32:41.:32:46.

sky is Russian missiles and Syrian ballot -- barrel bombs, including it

:32:47.:32:50.

is alleged yesterday, chlorhne, a banned chemical weapons. Can the

:32:51.:32:54.

primates that tell us about the situation in Syria, whether that

:32:55.:32:58.

commitment still holds and when she expects humanitarian relief to

:32:59.:33:02.

finally get through by whatdver means to people who have suffered

:33:03.:33:03.

for so long? I think I can give reassurance that

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that commitment is still thdre. It has been extended difficult for the

:33:15.:33:19.

delivery of that commitment. The issue of humanitarian aid gdtting

:33:20.:33:24.

into Aleppo is one I raised with President bladder may Putin in my

:33:25.:33:30.

discussions with him. He refers to concern about the kind of wdapon new

:33:31.:33:35.

used by the Syrian regime. ,- the kind of weaponry. We have bden clear

:33:36.:33:40.

in our opposition, as he will know, to what has happened. Can vdry

:33:41.:33:45.

concerned about the reports coming forward. It is important those

:33:46.:33:49.

reports are properly looked at. Longer term we remain committed to a

:33:50.:33:55.

political transition in Syrha. That political transition will bd one to

:33:56.:34:03.

Syria without President Ass`d. I am pleased to hear the Prime

:34:04.:34:07.

Minister's. Bought for free,trade being the underpinning of otr

:34:08.:34:12.

prosperity in Britain and across the world. I had thought until `nd

:34:13.:34:15.

listened to the Leader of the Opposition that that was widely

:34:16.:34:19.

shared on both sides of the house. Given that it isn't and the worrying

:34:20.:34:24.

Norse -- noises we are hearhng from both candidates in the US election,

:34:25.:34:29.

which don't seem terribly enthusiastic about free trade. Can

:34:30.:34:33.

she make it upon a sea of hdr government to campaign both in the

:34:34.:34:37.

United Kingdom on the merits of free trade but also on the global stage?

:34:38.:34:43.

Can I say to my right honourable friend, he expressed his surprise,

:34:44.:34:45.

there was surprise on this side of the house when the Leader of the

:34:46.:34:48.

Opposition showed his hand that he was not in favour of free trade I

:34:49.:34:53.

suspect there are many membdrs on the Labour Party benches who were

:34:54.:34:57.

surprised to hear this is the policy of the Labour Party. We will be

:34:58.:35:02.

strong advocates for free-trade as my right honourable friend has

:35:03.:35:07.

suggested. We will be ensurhng we take that message through. @s he

:35:08.:35:11.

says, it is free trade that underspend is our prosperitx. Like

:35:12.:35:19.

the previous member, we unddrstand these are early stages for

:35:20.:35:22.

negotiations but it would bd helpful to know what she values in those

:35:23.:35:25.

negotiations and her aims. She talked a lot about free trade but is

:35:26.:35:31.

resisting what she aptly thhnks and the two at a special free trade in

:35:32.:35:35.

Europe which is the single larket. Please could you tell us and clear

:35:36.:35:40.

up the confusion from yesterday a Shia value membership of thd single

:35:41.:35:45.

market and should it be an `im or objective of the negotiations and

:35:46.:35:49.

that we should be trying to stay in it if we can? I have to say to the

:35:50.:35:53.

right honourable lady I havd answered this question on a number

:35:54.:36:01.

of occasions already today. She will find that people ask a question and

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I give an answer, and if thdy keep asking the same question, they will

:36:06.:36:09.

get the same answer. That is perfectly reasonable and perfectly

:36:10.:36:13.

normal. The aim is to get the right deal in trade and goods and services

:36:14.:36:20.

with the EU but this will bd a new relationship. We will be looking to

:36:21.:36:24.

develop a new model of the relationship between the UK and the

:36:25.:36:28.

European Union. We will not, as I said earlier, the setting ott every

:36:29.:36:33.

bit of our negotiating hand in advance of entering those

:36:34.:36:35.

negotiations because that would be the best way to come out with the

:36:36.:36:41.

worst deal. Can I welcome mx right honourable friend's statement, not

:36:42.:36:45.

least what you said about the international concern about some of

:36:46.:36:49.

the edges of the market economy that must be made to work for evdryone.

:36:50.:36:55.

On global security, could I ask her to firmly back and support the

:36:56.:36:59.

attempt being made in London by the Syrian coalition to bring forward

:37:00.:37:03.

their own proposals to settle the matter? Could she urge the

:37:04.:37:08.

respective powers an interest, competing interests in Syri` that

:37:09.:37:11.

the longer they go fighting over the bodies of the people of Syrha, the

:37:12.:37:15.

more the risk to global sectrity will continue and this opportunity

:37:16.:37:22.

be presented in London is one that should be taken? I absolutely agree

:37:23.:37:24.

with the comments my right honourable friend has made. This is

:37:25.:37:29.

an important point with the Syrian coalition coming together and the

:37:30.:37:34.

meeting taking place here. H also agree that as we look at global

:37:35.:37:38.

security, that what we want to see, the best thing for global sdcurity

:37:39.:37:43.

is an end to the conflict t`king place in Syria. I continue to

:37:44.:37:48.

believe that as the conflict continues in Syria and the `ctions

:37:49.:37:51.

of the Syrian regime under President Assad, it is that what we s`w

:37:52.:37:59.

encouraging people to join terrorist organisations and fight and

:38:00.:38:04.

potentially come and return to other countries and conduct terrorist

:38:05.:38:08.

attacks. We must see and ensure that we are playing our part, as I

:38:09.:38:14.

believe the UK is today, in hosting the Syrian opposition in thdse talks

:38:15.:38:21.

and bring an end to the conflict. Can I thank the Prime Minister for

:38:22.:38:24.

her statement and commend hdr for her common sense realism in terms of

:38:25.:38:31.

her approach to negotiating our exit from the European Union. It is not

:38:32.:38:36.

clear that a lot of the criticisms and commentary coming from those who

:38:37.:38:41.

were on the remains I'd demonstrates a lack of respect for the ddcision

:38:42.:38:48.

made by the UK as a whole, ht is now about getting on and making the best

:38:49.:38:52.

of that in the way she is proposing. I offer her our support on these

:38:53.:38:57.

benches and in our party and the First Minister of Northern Hreland

:38:58.:39:01.

to achieve the best possibld deal for all of the United Kingdom and

:39:02.:39:05.

Northern Ireland in particular. On terrorism, can I ask, can she ensure

:39:06.:39:09.

that more action is done to bring about greater deterrence for those

:39:10.:39:15.

who preach hatred and radic`lisation of young people in the Unitdd

:39:16.:39:19.

Kingdom. More needs to be done to send strong sentences out that will

:39:20.:39:25.

act as a deterrent in futurd? I thank him for his support for the

:39:26.:39:29.

government in the approach we are taking. As he says, I think it is

:39:30.:39:36.

the sensible way to go forw`rd in these negotiations. I want to ensure

:39:37.:39:39.

the interests of Northern Ireland are fully taken into account in what

:39:40.:39:44.

we do and that is the message I gave when I visited Northern Ireland

:39:45.:39:47.

shortly after I became Primd Minister and that I have given to

:39:48.:39:51.

all devolved administrations. We want that engagement to makd sure

:39:52.:39:55.

the interests of the whole of the United Kingdom are taken into

:39:56.:39:59.

account. On the issue of terrorism, it is important we deal with those

:40:00.:40:07.

who preach hatred. We saw the sentence yesterday and Jim Choudary,

:40:08.:40:10.

the whole question of radic`lisation of young people particularlx and the

:40:11.:40:15.

radicalisation of people generally. Online or in other ways, it is an

:40:16.:40:20.

important one that we need to address. I want to see, as he says,

:40:21.:40:25.

sentences that give a clear message that this is not accept a b`ll

:40:26.:40:29.

activity for people to be involved in. We need to do the work we are

:40:30.:40:35.

doing through the counterterrorism Internet referral unit and the work

:40:36.:40:39.

in Europe on this and the work we are doing to promote mainstream

:40:40.:40:47.

voices against preachers of hate. From her discussions with other

:40:48.:40:51.

world leaders at the G20, whll my right honourable friend enstre that

:40:52.:40:56.

small and medium-sized businesses are at the heart of future trade

:40:57.:41:00.

negotiations? Including the many successful local businesses that

:41:01.:41:04.

will be attending my jobs f`ir on Friday. Can I commend right

:41:05.:41:11.

honourable friend for holding her jobs fair on Friday. I am stre there

:41:12.:41:15.

will be many opportunities given by local businesses there and lany

:41:16.:41:19.

people able to take those opportunities up and benefit from

:41:20.:41:23.

that. Small and medium-sized businesses will play an important

:41:24.:41:29.

role. Earlier in the summer I had a meeting with a number of sm`ll and

:41:30.:41:34.

medium-sized businesses and what struck me was their optimisl about

:41:35.:41:38.

the opportunities now avail`ble to the United Kingdom and their

:41:39.:41:42.

willingness to play their p`rt in taking up those opportunitids and

:41:43.:41:46.

encouraging prosperity that we want for everyone in our country. Does

:41:47.:41:53.

she accept that like all economies with an ageing population, they need

:41:54.:41:58.

labour to thrive. Would it not be an ActiveX dream self harm for us to

:41:59.:42:03.

give up full and unfettered access to the single market out of a

:42:04.:42:07.

dogmatic and arbitrary desire to reduce immigration? I will say that

:42:08.:42:13.

it is not arbitrary and doglatic desire to reduce immigration. We

:42:14.:42:20.

recognise the impact that uncontrolled immigration can have on

:42:21.:42:24.

people. The tickly those at the lower end of the income scale bass

:42:25.:42:30.

macro scale. He needs to consider carefully the message but if people

:42:31.:42:34.

gave in the vote on the 23rd of June. That boat told us thex wanted

:42:35.:42:39.

to see the government take control of people moving from the Etropean

:42:40.:42:42.

Union into the United Kingdom, that is what we will do. If you come to

:42:43.:42:49.

my constituency along the a 45, you will see the rust and Lex rdtail

:42:50.:42:55.

development going up and thd huge steel constructions and the Leader

:42:56.:42:59.

of the Opposition will be pleased to know that it is 100% British Steel

:43:00.:43:05.

being used. Does not coming out of the EU give us an opportunity if

:43:06.:43:10.

necessary to deal with Chindse dumping of steel? Could I ask the

:43:11.:43:16.

Prime Minister in particular whether she will find time next year to come

:43:17.:43:22.

and see Rushton Lakes and in particular, they have some very good

:43:23.:43:31.

shoe shops? I think my honotrable friend may just have sealed the deal

:43:32.:43:37.

Mr Speaker. Can I commend and welcome the fact that Rushton Lakes

:43:38.:43:42.

develop and is using 100% UK steel. That is very good. We need to look

:43:43.:43:48.

at this issue of overcapacity and overproduction, not just as an

:43:49.:43:51.

individual country but glob`lly That is why it was so important it

:43:52.:43:57.

was on the agenda at the G20 and the new report has been sent up with

:43:58.:44:03.

Chinese representation. I bdlieve in fair taxes as well as free trade and

:44:04.:44:10.

enterprise, it has been said that if the amount of tax that was owed to

:44:11.:44:14.

developing countries was pahd, it would far dwarf that amount of

:44:15.:44:17.

support they get through international aid. Can I ask the

:44:18.:44:21.

Prime Minister, given her statements on tax avoidance and we havd a

:44:22.:44:26.

country by country reporting enshrined in law, how will she make

:44:27.:44:32.

that a priority for the G20? I was able to point out in my

:44:33.:44:38.

interventions at the G20 thhs issue about tax avoidance. The G20 has

:44:39.:44:43.

been playing a leading role in addressing this issue and in

:44:44.:44:48.

galvanising action on this hssue. A number of initiatives have taken

:44:49.:44:53.

place both in relation to the question of those people able to try

:44:54.:44:58.

and use different jurisdicthons to resist the payment of tax that is

:44:59.:45:05.

you. That action is being t`ken We will push forward on that

:45:06.:45:09.

initiative. There are other things, providing support to developing

:45:10.:45:12.

countries so they can collect tax within those countries that is

:45:13.:45:20.

needed and should be collected. And the other tax initiatives are

:45:21.:45:23.

important. We have played a leading role on this and the G20 is now

:45:24.:45:29.

playing an important global role. Could I congratulate my right

:45:30.:45:33.

honourable friend on the opportunity for the G20's summit to raise the

:45:34.:45:38.

issue of modern slavery. Can the Prime Minister outline what further

:45:39.:45:42.

steps can be taken to engagd with countries around the world to

:45:43.:45:47.

eradicate this evil practicd? I am grateful to her for raising this

:45:48.:45:52.

question. It is hugely important, it is a heinous crime and we nded to do

:45:53.:45:56.

more about it. I have been encouraging people in other

:45:57.:45:59.

countries to look at the inhtiative we have taken and the legislation we

:46:00.:46:04.

have taken. Our modern slavdry act is the first of its kind but there

:46:05.:46:08.

is more we can do with law enforcement agencies working

:46:09.:46:11.

together and other government agencies working together to ensure

:46:12.:46:15.

we stamp out the terrible organised crime groups that are behind this

:46:16.:46:20.

terrible crime of modern sl`very. In doing that, we must never forget

:46:21.:46:24.

that it takes place here in the UK with UK individuals being t`ken into

:46:25.:46:29.

slavery as well. It is not just a global issue. We need to act

:46:30.:46:36.

globally and locally. Why dhd the pie Mr authorise a republic pressing

:46:37.:46:40.

down of the Brexit secretarx for merely telling the house th`t

:46:41.:46:43.

membership of the single market and free movement of people tend to go

:46:44.:46:48.

together. Is it not possibld that the Brexit secretary who has

:46:49.:46:51.

believed in this the years has thought about it more deeplx over

:46:52.:46:56.

the years than the Prime Minister who has thought about Brexit for a

:46:57.:47:02.

few weeks. Misleading the house as opposed to the odd occasion of

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someone telling the truth. H don't recognise the picture that the right

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honourable gentleman has lahd out. The Secretary of State was saying it

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was not a 0-sum game. As I have said in response to other questions, the

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government is clear that we are going to go out and get the right

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deal for the United Kingdom. We are negotiating a new relationship with

:47:28.:47:31.

the EU. Isn't it vital in this Brexit period that we maint`in

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confidence, is it not the c`se that with the opportunity to forge new

:47:38.:47:41.

global trade deals with record low interest rates and the opportunity

:47:42.:47:46.

to free ourselves from burddnsome regulation, now is a golden time to

:47:47.:47:50.

invest in the United Kingdol. We'll see use forums like the G20 to make

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this case? I thank him, I al happy to do so and I was doing th`t at the

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G20's summit. It is also thd case that I think we must welcomd the

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vote of confidence that has been given in the United Kingdom since

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the vote to leave the EU took place. The single biggest vote of

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confidence came from Japanese company Softbank with a big

:48:15.:48:17.

investment. We have seen investment from other companies like b`ck so

:48:18.:48:22.

SmithKline. This is the timd to be confident about the British economy.

:48:23.:48:27.

The fundamentals are very strong and we want to encourage that investment

:48:28.:48:31.

to take place in the UK and that is exactly what this government will be

:48:32.:48:33.

doing. The Secretary of State for leaving

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the European Union wrote in July, I would expect the new Prime Linister

:48:46.:48:51.

on September the 9th to immddiately trigger a large round of global

:48:52.:48:54.

trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. Can I ask

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the Prime Minister, can she confirm that she will be able to trhgger

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these deals in two days' tile, on Friday, as predicted by her

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Secretary of State and which countries will be involved. I say to

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the Right honourable gentlelan, I have been involved in discussions

:49:18.:49:21.

with countries on free tradd deals that we can develop. I was doing

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that at the weekend at the G20 summit with a number of countries. I

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listed some of them in my statement earlier. There were others too. I am

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pleased at the opportunities we now have and the willingness th`t other

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countries have to sit down `round the table and talk to us about trade

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deals. Nigel Mills. For trade to be free and work for everyone, it needs

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to be free of corruption. C`n she update the House on tackling

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corruption at the summit. Pdrhaps explain how some of the countries at

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the summit who are less keen to take action responded to that. Mx

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honourable friend is absolutely right, it is important that we deal

:50:08.:50:10.

with corruption if we are going to be able to CDs free trade ddals

:50:11.:50:16.

around the world, but for some countries it is corruption that gets

:50:17.:50:20.

in the way of being able to develop their economies and people hn those

:50:21.:50:25.

countries being able to takd the benefits that economic development

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can bring. The G20 was colldctively clear that they wanted to continue

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the anti-corruption work th`t is being done. I myself made specific

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reference to the International anti-corruption coordination centre,

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which were setting up in London and a number of countries are joining us

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in that. That is going to bd one part of the action that we need to

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take back the G20 was very clear that we need to continue to press on

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the outcomes of the anti-corruption Summit that we had in London. Many

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people are not getting a sh`re of globalisation, especially in this

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country. Could I ask the Prhme Minister what specific meastres she

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and her other leaders agreed at the G20 to deal with that probldm,

:51:16.:51:18.

making sure that the benefits of globalisation are given out more

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equally? The honourable gentleman is right and as I referred to hn my

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statement, there was a colldctive agreement, echoing comments that I

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made for the United Kingdom, that we need to make sure that the benefits

:51:32.:51:34.

of globalisation are truly shared among people. There are number of

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steps that we need to do to ensure that. In some countries it hs about

:51:40.:51:44.

with corruption. There is a number of other areas. I referred darlier

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to the work we are going to take on corporate irresponsibility. That was

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picked up and echoed by a ntmber of readers around the G20 tabld so our

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commitment remains absolutely strong. Smith. I very much welcome

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the government's announcement this week that it plans to ban plastic

:52:05.:52:10.

micro beads in many cosmetic products, including face scrubs and

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toothpastes. I would request that as well as the moral stance th`t this

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government takes at forums like the G20 on anti-slavery and on dnsuring

:52:24.:52:31.

free markets, that we continue to be world leaders in environmental

:52:32.:52:35.

policies and forwarding those so that we can protect our marhne

:52:36.:52:40.

wildlife and the rest of thd planet. I thank my honourable friend for the

:52:41.:52:44.

comments he has made for thd decision we have taken on mhcro

:52:45.:52:47.

beads. They clearly have an impact on marine life and it is right that

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we are banning those in certain products. But this is anothdr area

:52:51.:52:57.

where the UK can be leading. We seem to be leading on issues likd climate

:52:58.:53:02.

change and I think this widdr area of environmental concerns is one in

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which we can lead to. Public services are exempt from all current

:53:11.:53:14.

EU negotiated trade deals which the UK is party to. Will she colmitted

:53:15.:53:19.

aid to a public services exdmption cause from all future post Brexit

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trade deals as the appointed trade Secretary fade to do so in ts to a

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question from myself. I refdr to the honourable gentleman to the

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references I made earlier to the sort of approach we are takhng where

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we are not setting out at this stage the details of any particul`r

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negotiation that we are going to take part in relation to looking at

:53:40.:53:43.

trade deals. We will go out there and get the right deals for the

:53:44.:53:48.

United Kingdom. I welcome the Prime Minister's very positive st`tement

:53:49.:53:52.

Cheshire, Manchester and Liverpool Cheshire, Manchester and Liverpool

:53:53.:53:55.

can be proud of our strengths in science with world leading projects.

:53:56.:54:03.

Can my right honourable fridnd confirm that these sectors will

:54:04.:54:06.

continue to be absolutely cdntral to what the government does with the

:54:07.:54:11.

northern Powerhouse, taking forward its new industrial strategy, but

:54:12.:54:14.

also that they will be central to the new trade deals which are vital

:54:15.:54:18.

to the future of our economx? I thank my honourable friend for that

:54:19.:54:23.

question and it enables me to recall that I don't think I responded to

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one of the points made by the honourable member earlier when he

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talked about the Northern Powerhouse. This government remains

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absolutely committed to the Northern Powerhouse and the developmdnt we

:54:36.:54:40.

have seen in new industries, in looking at new scientific

:54:41.:54:42.

development, such that my rhght honourable friend has referred to,

:54:43.:54:47.

remains an important part of that. As we look to these new trade deals,

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we will also be looking to the sort of developments that can take place,

:54:53.:54:56.

the sort of innovative decisions that we can take, which enstres that

:54:57.:55:01.

we are not just looking at trade and traditional goods and services but

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saying, what more can we do, what can we develop for the future and

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include those? I would like to thank the Prime Minister for clarhfying

:55:11.:55:17.

that her Brexit secretary w`s wrong to rule out membership of the

:55:18.:55:20.

European single market, that her Foreign Secretary was wrong to

:55:21.:55:22.

campaign for a points-based immigration system and her

:55:23.:55:26.

international trade secretary was wrong to say we are leaving the

:55:27.:55:30.

customs union. But isn't it the case, Mr Speaker, that if wd want to

:55:31.:55:34.

strike trade deals with non,EU countries, and I am somebodx who

:55:35.:55:40.

appreciate the value of fred trade deals, we will have to leavd the

:55:41.:55:44.

customs union and that will bring disadvantages to UK businesses and

:55:45.:55:49.

direct foreign investment. H am not going to repeat what I said earlier

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in terms of the stars we ard taking, I would just encourage the

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honourable lady to take her leader to one side and point out to him the

:55:57.:56:00.

benefits of free trade, givdn what he has said in this chamber today. I

:56:01.:56:05.

am delighted to hear the Prhme Minister's obvious commitment to

:56:06.:56:08.

free trade but in many respdcts free trade is on the retreat in the world

:56:09.:56:12.

today. Global levels of trade and investment are on the decline, we

:56:13.:56:22.

have seen the United States, a lack of support in Congress, and even

:56:23.:56:24.

her, misinformation and scaremongering from some qu`rters in

:56:25.:56:26.

recent years leading to an drosion of faith in the benefits of free

:56:27.:56:28.

trade amongst even our own constituents. Will the prim`ries

:56:29.:56:31.

agree that given the centrality of free trade and agreements to the

:56:32.:56:35.

future of our economy, now hs the time to put aside that

:56:36.:56:38.

scaremongering, particularlx in some parts of the left of British

:56:39.:56:42.

politics, and believe in frde trade and its ability to work for

:56:43.:56:47.

everyone. My honourable fridnd has made an important point. It was

:56:48.:56:51.

significant that the G20 was very clear that it wanted to takd action

:56:52.:56:58.

on protectionism. But the point my honourable friend has made hs a very

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valid one and was also disctssed at the G20, which is the need for us

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all who support free trade to go out there and make the case for it and

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to show the benefits that free trade can bring. As I have said e`rlier

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and I think has been universally echoed on the Conservative benches,

:57:17.:57:20.

on the government benches, ht is free-trade that underpins otr

:57:21.:57:26.

economic growth and our prosperity. Given as we understand it comments

:57:27.:57:30.

made by the Secretary of St`te for exiting the European Union on Monday

:57:31.:57:34.

at this dispatch box are too regarded as personal opinion as

:57:35.:57:37.

opposed to government policx, and further considering that thd remarks

:57:38.:57:41.

made by the Secretary of St`te for International trade in relation to

:57:42.:57:44.

the customs union required to be changed, if it is the case that the

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Prime Minister is to contintally amend statements and comments made

:57:49.:57:52.

by the newly appointed ministers, can I ask the Prime Minister why she

:57:53.:57:55.

made those appointments in the first place? The honourable lady has

:57:56.:58:02.

referred to matters which h`ve been referred to in previous questions. I

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have answered in previous qtestions and I suggest she takes the answer I

:58:07.:58:13.

have given before. The Primd Minister has referred to thd

:58:14.:58:15.

substantial recent investment by the Japanese firm so I wonder if she

:58:16.:58:20.

could just give the House a little bit more about the reassurances she

:58:21.:58:25.

is able to give overseas colpanies to continue to invest in thd UK as a

:58:26.:58:28.

centre of excellence in manufacturing. I am very pldased to

:58:29.:58:33.

say that we encourage companies to invest in the UK. There are some

:58:34.:58:38.

real opportunities in the UK. We are a centre of excellence in cdrtain

:58:39.:58:41.

areas in terms of manufacturing and I think, as I referred earlher to

:58:42.:58:46.

the visit I made to Jaguar Land Rover, to see that investment coming

:58:47.:58:50.

into the United Kingdom, to reinvigorate that company and create

:58:51.:58:53.

jobs and growth, it's a verx good example of what can be done. And I

:58:54.:58:58.

want to see that happening `cross a wide range of industries, btt also

:58:59.:59:05.

across the whole country. C`n I follow the question of my rhght

:59:06.:59:09.

honourable friend for Exeter on imported Labour and people who come

:59:10.:59:14.

to work here. 10% of doctors in the NHS are EU nationals and thdir

:59:15.:59:18.

position is now very uncert`in. We know that since June the 23rd

:59:19.:59:21.

Doctors who were EU nationals have been put off applying to work here

:59:22.:59:26.

and since then we have had the vicious attacks and increasd in hate

:59:27.:59:29.

crime that the Prime Ministdr referred to. We actually nedd more

:59:30.:59:34.

doctors in the NHS. We have many on full training places. What hs she

:59:35.:59:38.

going to is say to reassure those EU nationals working in the NHS that we

:59:39.:59:45.

value them? I am pleased to say that under this government we have more

:59:46.:59:49.

doctors working in the NHS. The number of doctors in the NHS has

:59:50.:59:53.

increased since we came into government. But what I will also say

:59:54.:59:56.

on the position of EU citizdns is that I fully expect to be able to

:59:57.:00:02.

guarantee the status of EU citizens. While we are members of the EU,

:00:03.:00:06.

their status does not changd. I want to be able to guarantee the status

:00:07.:00:10.

of those EU citizens. The circumstances in which that would

:00:11.:00:14.

not be possible is if the status of British citizens in other ET member

:00:15.:00:19.

states was not guaranteed. During her bilateral talks with Prdsident

:00:20.:00:27.

Putin, did my right honourable friend gently but firmly disabuse

:00:28.:00:31.

him of the notion put around that this country is less committed than

:00:32.:00:36.

hitherto to its Nato treaty operations, particularly Article

:00:37.:00:39.

five, and that to the contr`ry we remain wholly committed to the

:00:40.:00:43.

autonomy and sovereignty of our partners, particularly the Baltic

:00:44.:00:47.

states and Poland? Ie and the government are absolutely clear

:00:48.:00:50.

about the commitment we havd two Nato and the commitment we have two

:00:51.:00:54.

Article five, as I indicated earlier. That is a central

:00:55.:00:58.

underpinning of Nato, the joint security that we provide for each

:00:59.:01:04.

other. I think many people will have been shocked and deeply concerned by

:01:05.:01:08.

the statement of the Leader of the Opposition when he suggested that he

:01:09.:01:12.

would not be signing up to that Article five. It is an underpinning

:01:13.:01:17.

of Nato, and it ensures not only our national security but the N`tional

:01:18.:01:22.

Security of our allies. Werd there any discussions with the Chhnese

:01:23.:01:27.

about the acquisition of thd global switch data company by the Chinese

:01:28.:01:34.

daily Tech group if Hinkley Point poses some security questions.

:01:35.:01:39.

Wouldn't this acquisition also have some security issues? I havd

:01:40.:01:44.

answered the point about how I am addressing the question of Hinkley

:01:45.:01:51.

Point. But we have seen Chinese investment coming into the Tnited

:01:52.:01:54.

Kingdom and we will continud to see Chinese investment coming into the

:01:55.:01:58.

United Kingdom. We do have ` global strategic partnership with the

:01:59.:02:04.

Chinese and that will continue. Fortuitously, London is the global

:02:05.:02:07.

leader in international shipping. International shipping law hs at the

:02:08.:02:13.

heart of international tradd and as a former shipping lawyer, I am proud

:02:14.:02:19.

to know a great many London based international shipping

:02:20.:02:21.

organisations. Can I invite the Prime Minister to ensure th`t the

:02:22.:02:26.

government may contact with these organisations based in London to

:02:27.:02:31.

ensure that we can get the best in international shipping deals with

:02:32.:02:35.

international trade? My honourable friend refers to a number of

:02:36.:02:39.

organisations being based hdre. The IMO is based in London and `n

:02:40.:02:46.

important organisation in the whole question of shipping. I can assure

:02:47.:02:49.

my honourable friend that the Department for exiting the Duropean

:02:50.:02:53.

Union is looking across all sectors of activity and ensuring th`t the

:02:54.:02:56.

views of those sectors will be taken into account as we develop our

:02:57.:03:00.

proposals for our relationship with the EU. On behalf of steelworkers in

:03:01.:03:07.

my constituency, can I reitdrate how disappointing it was to learn that

:03:08.:03:09.

the Prime Minister didn't r`ise with the Chinese president specifically

:03:10.:03:14.

the overproduction of Chinese steel. Can we have a commitment from the

:03:15.:03:18.

Prime Minister today that hdr government will do absolutely

:03:19.:03:22.

everything now and in the ftture to proactively raise these isstes. We

:03:23.:03:25.

need the Prime Minister to do this to protect us.

:03:26.:03:34.

I did raise the issue, it w`s raised in a session not just beford the

:03:35.:03:40.

Chinese president but the other leaders as well. Crucially, what has

:03:41.:03:44.

come out of the G20 is an agreement to set up this new forum whhch looks

:03:45.:03:50.

at actions that lead to overcapacity and overproduction. The Chinese will

:03:51.:03:57.

be a member of that Oram. M`y- congratulate the promised on

:03:58.:04:00.

focusing more on policy discussions than where she was positiondd on the

:04:01.:04:06.

photo Op upsetting the thred SNPs. Whilst tackling internation`l

:04:07.:04:12.

avoidance through the G20 is important but there is a grdat deal

:04:13.:04:17.

we can do ourselves and indded are doing. Absolutely. I would commend

:04:18.:04:22.

my right honourable friend, the member for Whitney, for the steps

:04:23.:04:26.

that he took as Prime Minister to encourage not only action over tax

:04:27.:04:31.

avoidance here in the UK but globally. It is an important issue

:04:32.:04:36.

and it is something we need to look at what we are doing here in the UK

:04:37.:04:44.

always. With Saudi Arabia p`tently failing to carry out an inddpendent

:04:45.:04:48.

investigation into potential breaches of international

:04:49.:04:52.

humanitarian law, will the Prime Minister exercise global le`dership

:04:53.:04:55.

and call for that independent investigation to be held so we can

:04:56.:05:01.

find out what is going on in Yemen? As I indicated earlier, I r`ised it

:05:02.:05:06.

with the Deputy Crown Princd of Saudi Arabia and the import`nce that

:05:07.:05:09.

any allegations are properlx investigated. I also reiter`te the

:05:10.:05:14.

point that we have a relationship with Saudi Arabia over a nulber of

:05:15.:05:18.

issues and the relationship we have with them in dealing with tdrrorism

:05:19.:05:21.

is important because it helps keeps the street of Britain say. Ly

:05:22.:05:33.

constituents and I are enorlously pleased with the progress on free

:05:34.:05:37.

trade deals, did the G20 discussions confirmed my suspicion that the

:05:38.:05:41.

interest will only grow in doing that? And would she agree whth me

:05:42.:05:45.

that it is the particular responsibility of every member of

:05:46.:05:49.

this house to shout from thd rooftops for jobs and investment in

:05:50.:05:54.

this country. My constituents jobs are not frankly a matter of dogma?

:05:55.:06:00.

My right and noble friend h`s spoken very well on this issue. I can

:06:01.:06:08.

confirm what was very welcole, the way a number of countries c`me up to

:06:09.:06:11.

me during the summit to say they wanted to be sitting down and

:06:12.:06:14.

talking to the UK about trade deals. This is not a matter of dogla but of

:06:15.:06:22.

jobs and people's security `nd a matter of prosperity for thhs

:06:23.:06:27.

country. In her remarks on refugees and migration, the Prime Minister

:06:28.:06:31.

referred to humanitarian efforts but not to human rights. In those words

:06:32.:06:36.

and her other words today, what she alluding to things like the Khartoum

:06:37.:06:42.

process where it is envisagdd that those coming through the Horn of

:06:43.:06:48.

Africa will be concentrated in Sudan, a country where the

:06:49.:06:51.

government has been bombing their own people and security forces have

:06:52.:06:55.

been implicated in nefarious trafficking? Given all she has said,

:06:56.:07:00.

where is the UK in relation to the Khartoum process and will the UK

:07:01.:07:05.

continue to share that procdss on behalf of the EU pending Brdxit In

:07:06.:07:13.

relation to the second part of his question, the chairmanship of the

:07:14.:07:17.

Khartoum process will be moving away from the UK, it will move away the

:07:18.:07:23.

going to Ethiopian. It won't be staying with the EU but on `

:07:24.:07:29.

rotation basis. In the UK h`s been chairing that process and wd have

:07:30.:07:33.

said as a government, as I said as Home Secretary, it is important we

:07:34.:07:37.

deal with the significant movement of people that we have seen.

:07:38.:07:41.

Including the movement of economic migrants that we have seen `cross

:07:42.:07:47.

the world particular into Etrope. We need to work with countries

:07:48.:07:51.

upstream. We need to deal across the board and ensure that peopld have

:07:52.:07:54.

better opportunities in thehr home country so they do not feel the need

:07:55.:07:58.

to come to Europe to grasp opportunities. We are also working

:07:59.:08:01.

with transit companies to stop the terrible trade that is taking place

:08:02.:08:06.

in those organised crime groups that are encouraging the illegal

:08:07.:08:09.

migration and the smuggling of people and human trafficking and we

:08:10.:08:13.

will continue to work on all of those. As we begin the procdss of

:08:14.:08:20.

leaving the EU and given her experience of the G20 and the

:08:21.:08:23.

conversations with otherworldly does, what is her view into is a

:08:24.:08:29.

Britain maintaining a strong voice on the world stage after we have

:08:30.:08:34.

left the EU and our ability to lead discussions on the matter and the

:08:35.:08:42.

issues that matter to us? What I saw from my discussion at the G20 is

:08:43.:08:47.

that us leaving the EU will not have a negative impact on us as `

:08:48.:08:53.

spokesman on the world stagd. I am very clear, I want to be thd global

:08:54.:08:58.

leader in free trade. There are many issues already where the UK has been

:08:59.:09:01.

at the forefront of discusshons on things like climate change `nd tax

:09:02.:09:07.

avoidance and evasion. It is important we continue to pl`y that

:09:08.:09:10.

role with the fifth-largest economy, we will be out there as a bold,

:09:11.:09:16.

confident outward looking n`tion continuing to play a key global

:09:17.:09:21.

role. In light of the horrific scenes we have seen in Syri` over

:09:22.:09:25.

the summer, did she have discussions with others at the summit about

:09:26.:09:30.

protecting civil areas such as hospitals and other infrastructure

:09:31.:09:32.

that have been targeted, perhaps using our assets and intellhgence as

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well as humanitarian aid drops if that is necessary? We are all

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concerned about some of the activities we have seen takhng place

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in Syria. That is why I indhcated earlier that we need to enstre we

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are putting all of our efforts into bringing an end to this conflict

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because of the horrific imp`ct it has had an millions of Syri`n

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people. Some of whom of course have left Syria and others are still

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there and living in appalling conditions and under threat of

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action being taken against them from various forces. We need to redouble

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our efforts in regards to that. We need to look at how we can hncrease

:10:17.:10:20.

the ability for humanitarian aid to get through to those who nedd it.

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Sadly, it is proving to be rude difficult to put that into practice

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but our desire to continue to try and find ways of doing that is still

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there. Did the Prime Ministdr have the chance to discuss the issues of

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Ukraine and Crimea with the Russian representation? At the recent

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seminar in the Ukraine, I attended as one of my Nato duties, mtch

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evidence is presented that dthnic cleansing of the Crimean Tata people

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is happening on the bigger scale possible, some horrible hum`n rights

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abuses. If the Prime Ministdr has not had the opportunity to raise it

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at this stage, could I ask that she encourages her friend the Foreign

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Secretary to look closely at this issue so she can be prepared at the

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next G 22 raise this terrible situation happening right now? The

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government has issued into what has happened in Crimea has not changed.

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I was able to refer to our position in regards to Ukraine in thd

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discussions I had but this will be a subject we continue to return to.

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Can I ask whether the Prime Minister was lobbied at the G20 by the

:11:43.:11:48.

Chinese and US governments `bout ratifying the Paris climate treaty

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as quickly as possible? The Chinese and US governments of coursd did

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indicate their intention and their ratification of the Paris agreement

:12:00.:12:02.

shortly before the G20's sulmit started. I was clear with everybody

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that it is our intention to ratify. I am very encouraged that the Prime

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Minister has indicated a willingness of countries to instigate trade

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deals with the UK. Is she confident we have the correct number of

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officials and negotiators and that those with the correct experience to

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deliver these crucial trade deals? Observed -- obviously over the years

:12:32.:12:35.

because of the position of the UK in the EU, we have not developdd

:12:36.:12:41.

negotiators on trade ourselves but we are developing that for

:12:42.:12:44.

international trade. It was important to set up a separ`te

:12:45.:12:48.

department to bring in the dxpertise there. We are looking at how we can

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ensure and increased the expertise in the Department. Refugees face

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that psychological trauma and loss, they are being systematically

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exploited and abused. What discussions took place to ensure

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their safety and to progress reunification and to meet otr

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commitment under the Dobbs Amendment? The Honourable L`dy is

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right to refer to the psychological impact of being a refugee on

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children. That is why as part of the support we give as a countrx and

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humanitarian aid for refugeds we provide support of that sort to

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children. It is one of the hssues where we are looking at those

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refugees who have been resettled here under the person resettlement

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scheme. One issue we look at is the requirement, support and cotnselling

:13:54.:13:57.

that people might require as part of that. In relation to the amdndment,

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discussions have been taking place with local authorities it is a

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matter for the United Kingdom to be looking at and not a matter for

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discussion at the G20. I very much welcome statement by the Prhme

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Minister, paragraph 44 of the guinea pigs of the strategy to tackle

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forced displacement of people, on this day lasted, I asked thd then

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Prime Minister about the crdation of safe havens for civilians ldaving

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Syria, I was told it was thd right sort of thinking. Whether any

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discussions with other countries about the creation of safe havens

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now or in future conflicts? I understand the point he is laking

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and the concept he is setting out. What has been seen of coursd is that

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it is very difficult to look at some of these issues in practice in terms

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of what is happening on the ground. But he is right we need to think

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carefully and the communiqud refers to this mass movement of people and

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we need to think about the support we can provide for refugees which is

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of course why this country hs proud of being the second biggest

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bilateral donor in terms of humanitarian aid for Syrian

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refugees. Jobs in Staffordshire are dependent on international trade,

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given the Prime Minister's reluctance to outline her priorities

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for future negotiations, can you inform us who you are consulting

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with domestic league in the industrial centres to ensurd their

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views are represented in thd negotiations? I have alreadx

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indicated that the Department for exiting the European Union hs

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looking across the economy `nd consulting with different sdctors of

:15:39.:15:42.

the economy on what their requirements are. I also sax I am

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very interested again that the Honourable Lady is an advoc`te for

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free trade. I suggest she ilparts this to the leader of her p`rty who

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has set out this afternoon that his policy for his party is to not

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believe in free trade. This is the first opportunity I have two welcome

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her to her place, may I do so? She talks about the economy and the

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manufacturing base in this country which will provide jobs and I

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entirely concur. Will she go forward to take into account the effect of

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green taxes and other restrhctions on large manufacturers to ensure

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that we can compete properlx on a level playing field around the

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world? I thank him for his welcome that he has given me. And c`n I

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assure him that what he is `sking will indeed be taken into account.

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One of the benefits of energy and climate change policy coming into

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the new Department is that dnergy policy can be seen alongsidd the

:16:47.:16:51.

requirements for business and industrial strategies that ht

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develops. I believe in free trade, indeed desire which would, `nd early

:16:56.:17:01.

constituent of mine had one of the earliest free-trade pacts whth

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France in the 1770s. Many of my considers are employed at the new

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boy trio to plant in Derby. They were very concerned by the comments

:17:10.:17:14.

of the Japanese government `bout investment in the UK if we did not

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have access to the single m`rket. Can the Prime Minister tell us what

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conversations we had with the Japanese about their concerns and

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can I ask her to take control of the Brexit negotiations to make sure

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that jobs and prosperity in North Staffordshire are not put at rest.

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The Honourable gentleman must we be oldest and long-standing melber in

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the history of the House of Commons? Thank you Mr Speaker. Can I reassure

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the Honourable gentleman th`t the negotiations will be looking to

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ensure, as I have said in a number of answers, that we are seeking

:17:56.:18:02.

growth in jobs and prosperity in the United Kingdom. Not only in a

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relationship with the Europdan Union after Brexit but the trade deals we

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will be able to do around the rest of the world. That is where we are

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focusing our efforts and we will continue to do so. May I th`nk the

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Prime Minister for signalling that free-trade will be the core of

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British G as we leave the Etropean Union. And substantial progress can

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be made on country by country trade agreements right now. Can I add two

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things to her list? Can we dstablish a British position in the

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multilateral trade and servhces agreement and will she have a

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conversation with the Secretary of State for International Devdlopment

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about how we can use this opportunity to enhance the trade

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facilitation agreements as `greed at WTO in 2013?

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We will look at issues he h`s raised and I can assure him looking at

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these trade deals we will look at every aspect to make sure what we

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get is the best deal for thd UK but I think it will not only be the

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right deal for the UK but I think the sort of deals we are spdaking

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about will be right for those countries we are dealing with as

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well. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given the Prime Minister's refusal to

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answer the direct for my right honourable friend, the honotrable

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member from Murray, about the Single Market, can I ask the Prime

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Minister, when will this Hotse be presented with any kind of detail

:19:40.:19:43.

about what Brexit actually leans beyond the sound bites? Can I say to

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the honourable gentleman he will not get any different answer from me to

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the one I have given on numdrous occasions throughout this afternoon

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and I will simply say this, if we are going to negotiate, the right

:19:56.:20:00.

deal for the UK on trade in goods and services, it would be qtite

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wrong for this Government to give away our negotiation strategies in

:20:07.:20:14.

advance. As the Prime Minister knows there are around 140,000 workers in

:20:15.:20:19.

the UK employed by Japanese firms. My honourable friend has already

:20:20.:20:24.

mentioned Toyota, but also Nissan and Honda have large base is vital

:20:25.:20:27.

to local economies and the supply chain. She knows that huge

:20:28.:20:32.

uncertainty about our futurd relationship with the EU and the

:20:33.:20:35.

Single Market is creating difficulties, and I would lhke to

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give her another opportunitx to see how she tried to mitigate those

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risks to those jobs and invdstment with the Japanese and others. I am

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grateful to the honourable lady because I did not answer thd

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honourable gentleman filly because he did refer to the issue of

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Japanese firms. I was able to sit down and discuss these issuds with

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the prime minister, and outcome was a positive desire to take forward

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discussions of how we can ensure we are getting the best trading

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relationship -- and so the honourable gentleman fully. And that

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we can continue to see Japanese investment in the UK. I am pleased

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to see the single biggest vote of confidence in investment in the

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United Kingdom since we had the vote to leave the European Union of

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course came from a Japanese company with ?824 billion. -- 20 ?4 billion.

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Firstly can I commend the mhnister on the hard work that has bden done

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on this across the world -- ?24 billion. Despite President Obama

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saying we would go to the b`ck of the queue, this has been done. Does

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she agree that if the price was right, that the world is trtly our

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Oyster? I absolutely agree with the honourable gentleman and thdre are

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many products here which we can trade very well with other parts of

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the world from the constitudnt parts of the United Kingdom and that is

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the quality of the product that will lead to people wishing to t`ke them.

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Further to her answer to my honourable friend from Selbx, there

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will be the reports she has seen about people with the lack of

:22:29.:22:31.

experience to negotiate trade deals in the UK. Is that of concern to

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her? Are we being forced to employ people from overseas to do that job?

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Who have those necessary skhlls As I answered to my honourable friend,

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I think it was important to focus the Government's effort on trade

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deals through creation of a new department, the Department for

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International trade, that ddpartment is building up its expertisd and

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will continue to do so. I do not know if at the T20 there was any

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discussion of America's gre`test cultural export, Star Trek,

:23:06.:23:13.

celebrating its anniversary tomorrow, but if we want to live

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long and prosper we must tackle climate change. Does she regret

:23:18.:23:20.

abolishing the UK Department on climate change and when will the UK

:23:21.:23:25.

ratify the Paris agreement? I think I can honestly say, in all the

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discussions I had in 20 and all the plenary sessions I sat and listened

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through, Star Trek was never a mention. I have to say it to the

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honourable gentleman. -- never mentioned. On the point of

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ratification, yes, we will be ratifying the Paris agreement, but

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people seem to think the position of the Government on climate change can

:23:50.:23:53.

only be represented by whether there is a separate apartment on ht and

:23:54.:23:55.

that is not the case. The ilportant thing is we have taken the

:23:56.:24:01.

initiative is on climate ch`nge and the -- and put it beside thd

:24:02.:24:04.

industrial strategy which I think will give a better strategic

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approach. As I mentioned to the honourable lady for Brighton

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Pavilion, I would hope if the honourable gentleman is intdrested

:24:13.:24:14.

in climate change he will congratulate this Government on what

:24:15.:24:17.

we have done in relation to climate change because we have been at the

:24:18.:24:20.

forefront of encouraging others to take action in relation to

:24:21.:24:28.

emissions. I know the Prime Minister raised the issue of steel at the

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plenary sessions. Did she vhsit at the bilateral session also? Did she

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discuss with the Chinese delegation about that? What powers with this

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new forum have? When the Tory party speak about free trade, to this

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House, about our government undermining other nations,

:24:54.:24:56.

government that is Communist in China, it is a bit rich, spdaking

:24:57.:25:00.

about free trade. When will we have immediate trade defence measures

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from this Government? In thd last four to five years, an explosion of

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dumping by the Chinese statd into the British market has occurred with

:25:08.:25:10.

the raw action from this Government. It is absolutely not true this

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Government has taken no acthon. -- with absolutely no mac action from

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this Government. It is important in this forum has been set up on what

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the Chinese will be represented Just looking at the various issues

:25:25.:25:28.

we have been doing to support the steel sector, we secured st`ted to

:25:29.:25:33.

compensate for energy costs, flexible to over EU emission

:25:34.:25:38.

regulations meant economic factors to be taken into account whdn the

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Government procures steel, successfully pressed for

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anti-dumping duties to protdct UK companies from unfair practhces

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There are many steps this Government has taken and will continue to take

:25:52.:25:54.

because we recognise the importance of the steel industry in thd UK Mr

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Speaker, when the Prime Minhster was in China did she have any

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discussions with the leaders of France and Germany as to whhch city

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is likely to replace the City of London as Europe's financial capital

:26:10.:26:13.

when the City of London's ctrrent trading relationship with Etrope is

:26:14.:26:16.

severed? If she did not, whdn she does so could you please ask them to

:26:17.:26:20.

consider Edinburgh, which is currently the UK's second l`rgest

:26:21.:26:24.

financial centre and is the capital city of a country with a Government

:26:25.:26:30.

that is very clear it intends to remain in the Single Market? Well, I

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say to the honourable lady this issue of Scotland and whethdr it

:26:38.:26:40.

will be part of the European Union single market post Brexit, the

:26:41.:26:47.

decision that was taken on June 23 was a decision of the peopld of the

:26:48.:26:51.

United Kingdom to leave the European Union. The best thing for growth and

:26:52.:26:56.

prosperity for Scotland is to remain part of the United Kingdom. And I

:26:57.:27:01.

intend to make sure that whdn the UK has left the European Union we are

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able to seize opportunities, opportunities that will be to the

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benefit of people across thd whole United Kingdom, including Scotland.

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The Prime Minister is rightly using summits like the G20 to press for

:27:17.:27:24.

Britain's case in a globalised economy. Can I press heard just a

:27:25.:27:30.

bit further on the issue I raised at Rye Minister's Question Timd? On

:27:31.:27:36.

Manchester's bid for 2025, because the site is partly in my

:27:37.:27:40.

constituency. She will know in terms of national pride, the Unitdd

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Kingdom has not hosted Expo since Dublin in 1907, and before that it

:27:49.:27:53.

was the great exposition in London. In terms of national pride, it is

:27:54.:27:59.

therefore important, but Expo 2 15 in Milan Brotton 22 million visitors

:28:00.:28:06.

to that city, and the ?7 billion investment -- brought in 22 million.

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Well she meet with the Greater Manchester combined authority and

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other members and myself so she can fully appreciate the benefits of

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Britain putting in a bid for the Expo? Can I just say to the

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honourable gentleman, 20 out of ten for effort in promoting Manchester

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as a potential host of Expo. I will listen very carefully to thd

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proposal he has made. Yes, Lr Speaker, I do support free trade,

:28:38.:28:41.

but can I ask the Prime Minhster whether her vision of free trade is

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of Britain as an offshore t`x haven with lower health standards, lower

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environmental standards, lower labour rights, or will she dnsure

:28:51.:28:55.

any bilateral trade union agreement with America and Canada does not

:28:56.:29:01.

contain new powers for transnational companies to sue our Governlent in

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response to laws we pass here to protect our environment, our health

:29:06.:29:09.

and our workers through the independent state, with the clauses

:29:10.:29:19.

of TTIP and CTIP. Firstly I think the honourable gentleman has

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misrepresented TTIP which h`s of course happened before. We will be

:29:22.:29:23.

going out there to get the right deals in trade for the UK whth other

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countries around the globe. We have a real opportunity to be a global

:29:28.:29:30.

leader in free trade and th`t is what we will be. During the European

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Union delegation -- the European Union delegation to the T20 were

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delighted that the Secretarx of State advise the House that free

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trade or free movement of pdople at least between one of its melber

:29:44.:29:46.

states is going to exist whdn the remainder of the United Kingdom

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leaves the European Union. That is the Common travel area of Ireland.

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As stipulated by the Secret`ry of State in the House. Therefore, with

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the free movement of people through Ireland and Britain being btilt on

:30:01.:30:04.

equal rights, will the Primd Minister advise the House there will

:30:05.:30:10.

be no change at all to the hsland Act of 1948 as amended in 1849 which

:30:11.:30:16.

gives Irish citizens more are less non-foreign status within the United

:30:17.:30:21.

Kingdom -- Ireland Act. The honourable gentleman has referred to

:30:22.:30:25.

the Common Travel Area and discussions were taking place with

:30:26.:30:29.

the Irish government prior to the decision for In to read the European

:30:30.:30:33.

Union, to consider how we could enhance and improve that colmon

:30:34.:30:36.

travel area and of course those discussions now continue in the

:30:37.:30:41.

future against different circumstances. I am extremely

:30:42.:30:45.

grateful to the Prime Minister and all colleagues... The BBC are

:30:46.:30:52.

reporting that Newsnight believes the Arms control committee of this

:30:53.:30:56.

House is going to recommend the Government no longer sells `rms to

:30:57.:31:00.

Saudi Arabia. I make no bonds with that and rather agree with them but

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the point is they are doing this on the basis, they say, of havhng seen

:31:04.:31:08.

a draft report from the comlittee. This House has always taken it

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extremely serious and when draft reports are leaked from comlittees

:31:12.:31:15.

to the media. I hope that you will have an opportunity, Mr Spe`ker to

:31:16.:31:18.

speak to the committee to establish whether that is the case and, if so,

:31:19.:31:22.

what remedial action this House can take. I am grateful for the point of

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order. What he says about the seriousness with which leaks of

:31:28.:31:38.

copies or draft copies, or reports, are concerned, it is absolutely

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true, he's quite right about that, a very serious matter, I do not know

:31:43.:31:46.

whether there has been such a leak or whether there is merely

:31:47.:31:49.

speculation, but I am happy to make inquiries into the matter, `nd

:31:50.:31:55.

knowing the Doggett and ten`cious character of the honourable

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gentleman, I have a feeling if I do not go back to him on the m`tter he

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will probably return to the subject -- dogged. We believe that therefore

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no and I thank him for menthoning the point. Thank you, prime

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ministers. Another point of order? Earlier in Cabinet it seemed to be

:32:16.:32:23.

suggested by some honourabld members that there was a gerrymandering

:32:24.:32:26.

organisation here to act at the behest of the Government. It is my

:32:27.:32:31.

understanding, and I would welcome your confirmation or indeed

:32:32.:32:34.

correction if I am not corrdct, that the commission is entirely

:32:35.:32:36.

independent, that it will come up with its own proposals and that they

:32:37.:32:41.

will be available for us as honourable members and indedd our

:32:42.:32:44.

constituents to reply to thd formal process. Did you just confirmed that

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the commission does not act or come up with proposals at the behest of

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the Government? I am happy to confirm that the

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boundary commission operates and has been expected to operate on the

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bases the honourable gentlelan suggests. I am happy to confirm

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that. If there are no furthdr points of order we can now to the

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presentation of Bill, Sajid Javid. Neighbourhood planning Bill. Second

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reading today. Tomorrow. We come to the ten minute rule motion. Melanie

:33:28.:33:31.

Onn. I beg to move leave big event to

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bring in a Bill to make provision about the safeguarding of workers'

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rights derived from the European Union legislation after the

:33:40.:33:42.

withdrawal of the UK from the EU and for connected that connected

:33:43.:33:55.

purposes. This is a Bill brought about by

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necessity. Despite the warnhngs from the TUC and others about thd

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potential for workers' rights to be significantly undermined if we left

:34:05.:34:08.

Europe, the government has failed to explain just how they will dnsure

:34:09.:34:13.

this does not happen. I call on the government to take proactivd steps

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to protect those employment rights which are not contained in primary

:34:16.:34:21.

legislation and which are at risk of falling away post Brexit. It is no

:34:22.:34:26.

use adopting a wait and see attitude. People deserve to know

:34:27.:34:31.

their rights at work will not be detrimental. Research conducted by

:34:32.:34:34.

the House of Commons librarx has highlighted several areas of

:34:35.:34:39.

legislation that partly or wholly derived from European directives.

:34:40.:34:43.

These include price of agency workers, the European Works Council,

:34:44.:34:49.

information and consultation of employees, health and safetx,

:34:50.:34:53.

protection of young people `t work. These are the broad areas that could

:34:54.:34:56.

disappear if the government opts to repeal the European community's act

:34:57.:35:03.

1972. That means they would be no legislative framework around

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collective consultations on the structures, redundancies, shift

:35:08.:35:10.

pattern changes or pay just by way of an example. These are not small

:35:11.:35:17.

and obscure areas of employlent law. They are up front and centrd. In an

:35:18.:35:23.

increasingly stable labour larkets, people rely on the certaintx of

:35:24.:35:27.

protections that can be afforded to them under this legislation. For

:35:28.:35:32.

over 40 years the EU has devised laws designed to protect working

:35:33.:35:37.

people from discrimination. Trade unions have operated togethdr at a

:35:38.:35:41.

European level to secure agreements across all nations to better protect

:35:42.:35:46.

workers. These rules have ensured that regardless of the ideology of

:35:47.:35:50.

the government of the day h`rd fought for, minimum standards have

:35:51.:35:54.

been protected. They have kdpt those rights and known negotiable distance

:35:55.:36:00.

away from the potential derdgulatory whims of ministers who may take such

:36:01.:36:05.

a view that rights like that are no more than cumbersome red tape. We

:36:06.:36:11.

know the Secretary of State of international trade, the very

:36:12.:36:14.

minister responsible for negotiating our trade agreements as he dxited

:36:15.:36:20.

the European Union is on record as having said it is too difficult to

:36:21.:36:26.

fire staff. Members in this House must not allow downgrading of

:36:27.:36:29.

workers' rights to be unfortunate side-effects of the governmdnts s

:36:30.:36:33.

negotiations. On the steps of Downing Street in July, the Prime

:36:34.:36:38.

Minister made reference to those who have a job but do not always have

:36:39.:36:44.

job security. The millions of agency workers in the care sector, retail,

:36:45.:36:52.

security or factory work, the agency workers legislation ensures they can

:36:53.:36:56.

access the same wages and holiday entitlement as permanent workers and

:36:57.:37:01.

get equal access to facilithes, vacancies and amenities. Thhs is

:37:02.:37:05.

progressive legislation that recognises their changing ndeds of

:37:06.:37:08.

an increasingly so-called flexible workforce. We should have no

:37:09.:37:13.

hesitation in securing our own domestic laws to support those

:37:14.:37:18.

workers. In recent days we have been reassured that Brexit will not

:37:19.:37:22.

undermine workers' rights. The Minister for exiting the European

:37:23.:37:28.

Union wrote in his July arthcle for the Conservative home website it is

:37:29.:37:32.

his belief it is not employlent regulation that stunts economic

:37:33.:37:37.

growth. If that is the case there should be no barriers to thd

:37:38.:37:40.

government positively reviewing which elements of UK employlent law

:37:41.:37:44.

will be without foundations after leaving Europe unless alternatives

:37:45.:37:51.

are implemented. Given the TK has one of the most likely regulated

:37:52.:37:58.

workforces in the OECD it is right the government should uphold these

:37:59.:38:04.

minimum standards. Metcher TK employment law has become a basic

:38:05.:38:10.

expectation. -- much. The ldvel of protection afforded to workdrs is

:38:11.:38:13.

woven into the fabric of thd employment relationship no

:38:14.:38:17.

discrimination against part,time fixed term workers, the right to

:38:18.:38:22.

rest breaks, paid holiday and Leafa working parents. These are things

:38:23.:38:26.

which are standard. We should not be going backwards. If we take a closer

:38:27.:38:34.

look at TP, it is clear the intention is to benefit workers It

:38:35.:38:42.

means if somebody's employed contracts out there all, thdy can

:38:43.:38:46.

expect certain minimum guar`ntees in relation to these changes. They can

:38:47.:38:55.

expect a period of consultation They can expect any proposed changes

:38:56.:38:59.

to structures, salaries or redundancies will be discussed

:39:00.:39:03.

within a consultation. If they are transferred to the new empire, their

:39:04.:39:07.

salary, holiday and sick le`ve will be protected. Importantly, priced a

:39:08.:39:16.

representation of recognition of trade Unions also transfer providing

:39:17.:39:22.

assurance to affected emploxees After transfer, employees are

:39:23.:39:25.

protected unless the receivhng a player can provide evidence of

:39:26.:39:29.

operational technical or economic purposes that make it impossible for

:39:30.:39:33.

them to continue with certahn terms and conditions. Even then they must

:39:34.:39:37.

undertake consultation before they can make those changes. This is only

:39:38.:39:42.

possible because of the European legislation which provided the

:39:43.:39:45.

framework. We should accept a reality here, it is not perfect

:39:46.:39:52.

Which as we have seen with other legislation our Parliament can make

:39:53.:39:58.

the choice to go further, to offer more than the minimum requirements

:39:59.:40:03.

of legislation. In this instance it has not, choosing the least

:40:04.:40:12.

burdensome way. I recognise the weaknesses within the law as it

:40:13.:40:15.

stands. All the more reason to be concerned about what would happen if

:40:16.:40:22.

tupee was not there. Prior to tupee employers are able to make staff

:40:23.:40:25.

redundant. --. These were workers such as school

:40:26.:40:42.

meals Assistant and refuse collectors who were not givdn the

:40:43.:40:46.

chance to participate in anx consultation. We would not want to

:40:47.:40:50.

place that kind of disruption on workers again by rolling out -- back

:40:51.:40:57.

to the bad old days. Without there being any recourse to previous

:40:58.:41:01.

European Court of Justice rtlings we may find ourselves sleepwalking into

:41:02.:41:05.

a situation where carers who do sleeping she said no longer be

:41:06.:41:12.

geared to as employers seek to cut their costs. We should not `llow the

:41:13.:41:17.

potential for European case law to simply be discarded as it rhsks

:41:18.:41:23.

dumping swathes of presidents in favour of the ...

:41:24.:41:37.

The future decisions were no longer bound by that caselaw workers would

:41:38.:41:44.

pay the price. Given the ch`nges in employment legislation of the last

:41:45.:41:48.

60 years including reduced consultation period for

:41:49.:41:53.

redundancies, the introducthon of fees for employment tribunal 's

:41:54.:42:01.

there is little to give the British public faith that the government

:42:02.:42:05.

warm words will translate into action. What a current proposals in

:42:06.:42:10.

Europe? What would bring further protections to UK workers. @ right

:42:11.:42:16.

to a written statement of tdrms and conditions, improved worklife

:42:17.:42:19.

balance and improved rights for posted workers. Workers in Britain,

:42:20.:42:24.

will they feel the benefits of changes? I have been asked why

:42:25.:42:32.

haven't asked for more in this bill. This isn't about grandiose

:42:33.:42:37.

positioning. It is based in the reality of the situation we face

:42:38.:42:42.

today. It is right first and foremost ability is provided. The

:42:43.:42:45.

government does everything hn its power to protect what we already

:42:46.:42:50.

have. Despite being on the other side of the debates, I accept the

:42:51.:42:55.

British public voted for Brdxit They didn't vote for more insecure

:42:56.:43:00.

contracts, less safe workpl`ces or anything less than they currently

:43:01.:43:03.

have a way of protection in their jobs.

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The question is for the honourable member to bring in the bill.

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The ayes has it. Who will bring in the bill?

:43:23.:43:38.

Workers right maintenance of the use standards Bill. Second readhng. What

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day? Friday the 18th of Novdmber. Friday the 18th of November.

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We now come to the motion in the name of the Leader of the Opposition

:44:25.:44:34.

on the Paris Agreement on climate change. I call Mr Barry Gardner to

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move the motion. Thank you. I am delighted to rise to

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move this motion in the namd of myself and my honourable and right

:44:48.:44:54.

honourable colleagues. My country has an unwavering commitment to

:44:55.:44:57.

pursue the path of sustainable development. Those were the words of

:44:58.:45:10.

President Xi last week when he and President Obama announced China and

:45:11.:45:16.

America their ratification of the Paris climate treaty. In an

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extraordinary events we saw the world's two superpowers who are the

:45:23.:45:26.

work's to largest emitters of greenhouse gases locked in `n

:45:27.:45:31.

embrace to save our species from itself. From so altering our

:45:32.:45:38.

atmosphere that to make it `lmost impossible for many of our fellow

:45:39.:45:43.

human beings to survive. And from destroying of the species and

:45:44.:45:48.

ecosystems in the process. @ few days before they did so I wrote our

:45:49.:45:52.

Prime Minister urging her to begin the process of ratification of the

:45:53.:45:57.

treaty by UK. I understand her office passed my letter to the

:45:58.:46:03.

Secretary of State. I also tabled today's debate to discuss

:46:04.:46:06.

ratification and to press for the UK to follow China and America's need

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and get on and ratify the P`ris Agreement. So now, with the US and

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China making it highly likely the agreements will formally cole into

:46:18.:46:20.

force by the end of this ye`r, I decided that if China and Alerica

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can put aside their differences and ratify, then surely we in P`rliament

:46:28.:46:32.

could do the same and becomd finder parties to the agreement. I wrote to

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the Secretary of State and offered to amend the motion of this debate

:46:39.:46:44.

to make it the formal vote required by the House of Commons to ratify

:46:45.:46:50.

the treaty. The process of ratification is not unduly complex,

:46:51.:46:53.

it requires the tabling of ` command paper by the government and then

:46:54.:46:57.

affirmative resolution by both houses. The government have not

:46:58.:47:02.

tabled that command paper. Ly offer has still not received any formal

:47:03.:47:06.

response. The Scottish National Party agreed at the Green P`rty

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agreed, Plaid Cymru agreed. When I eventually can find a Liber`l

:47:17.:47:21.

Democrat to speak to, he agreed to! Here we had Her Majesty's official

:47:22.:47:28.

opposition, the Labour Partx, offering to forego one of its

:47:29.:47:33.

precious opposition databasd in order to do something on a

:47:34.:47:37.

cross-party basis and for the wider good, to create Parliamentary time

:47:38.:47:40.

for something the government had said they wanted to do but could not

:47:41.:47:46.

yet find the time for and it has been rejected. You know, soletimes I

:47:47.:47:55.

think people look at it in parliament and say to themsdlves,

:47:56.:48:00.

can they not just for once, put aside their petty party differences

:48:01.:48:07.

and agree to do something together? Are they really not bigger than

:48:08.:48:11.

this? The government had sahd earlier this year that they would in

:48:12.:48:17.

March, David Cameron agreed the EU Council conclusions which underlines

:48:18.:48:24.

the need for the European Union and its member states to be abld to

:48:25.:48:28.

ratify the Paris Agreement `s soon as possible and on time so `s to be

:48:29.:48:33.

party as of this entry. I am grateful to the shadow

:48:34.:48:46.

Secretary of State For giving way. I am a supporter of the Paris climate

:48:47.:48:50.

change agreement and hope wd will ratify as soon as possible but I

:48:51.:48:58.

cannot help thinking he is looking for a disagreement. All members must

:48:59.:49:10.

ratify in this team so -- in their time,. While I trust him and know

:49:11.:49:13.

the deeply cares about this issue, I think he knows that I do too and

:49:14.:49:18.

therefore the olive branch H extended to the Secretary of State

:49:19.:49:23.

was a genuine one and was one based on something I am told the

:49:24.:49:26.

Government said it wanted to do and that they have previously stated

:49:27.:49:29.

they wanted to do, but I have been told they have not been abld to find

:49:30.:49:33.

time for it yet and so I thought this was an opportunity to lake

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time. And so it is a matter of deep regret. I cannot see any re`son and

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I am sure the Minister will come to the dispatch box and explain to us

:49:42.:49:45.

in due course precisely why it was not possible to take this

:49:46.:49:54.

opportunity, this opportunity, to table the command paper yesterday or

:49:55.:49:58.

the day before and to use this time in Parliament for us in the House of

:49:59.:50:07.

Commons to vote and ratify this treaty. I am very grateful to my

:50:08.:50:10.

honourable friend and I am pleased he secured the time for this debate.

:50:11.:50:15.

Isn't the issue that the Unhted States of America, China and France

:50:16.:50:18.

have already completed ratification, that other T20 countries like Brazil

:50:19.:50:23.

and Germany have pledged to do so by the end of the year, and all we re

:50:24.:50:29.

asking this Government to do is to set out precisely what the timescale

:50:30.:50:33.

is going to be -- G20. For the United Kingdom to this important

:50:34.:50:38.

work, and we are not getting any answers from the Government as to

:50:39.:50:43.

that timescale? My honourable friend of course is absolutely right, but I

:50:44.:50:47.

hope, and I really do hope, that what we will get this afternoon and

:50:48.:50:54.

the honourable front bench team and Right Honourable members of the

:50:55.:50:57.

front bench team, they know I have respect for them on this matter I

:50:58.:51:01.

do not seek to be partisan on this matter but I will attack thdm if

:51:02.:51:05.

they do not keep to their commitments, and I will continue to

:51:06.:51:13.

do that. I will again... I have great respect for this becatse this

:51:14.:51:16.

is very much a cross-party debate about climate change, but the heart

:51:17.:51:21.

of the commitment on climatd change is the Climate Change Act and that

:51:22.:51:25.

is in British law and we voted for it in this Parliament and wd have

:51:26.:51:29.

commitments in that act to `chieve 80% reduction in our emissions by

:51:30.:51:33.

2018 so we are committed to that and I too would pick up my honotrable

:51:34.:51:36.

friend's comment that you are creating an argument where there is

:51:37.:51:44.

none because this Government is not saying ratify this. Indeed H fully

:51:45.:51:47.

believe we will do but we mtst think about this very sensibly but I hope

:51:48.:51:50.

we will continue to lead thd way as we have done all the way along the

:51:51.:51:53.

line. I am delighted the honourable lady referred to the commitlent and

:51:54.:51:57.

I am delighted she referred to the Climate Change Act and to the fact

:51:58.:52:06.

it is binding upon us, and later on in the speech I will be takhng

:52:07.:52:10.

exactly what those commitments and that legislation has said and trying

:52:11.:52:12.

to show precisely where the Government over the past cotple of

:52:13.:52:17.

years has deviated from that, and that is why we are on a pathway of

:52:18.:52:21.

divergences rather than con virgins in this House and have been for the

:52:22.:52:28.

pasts years -- convergence. The cross-party and bipartisan `pproach

:52:29.:52:34.

that did used to exist in this House on these matters has been sdverely

:52:35.:52:39.

tested by what has been seen as backsliding by this Governmdnt. I

:52:40.:52:45.

will add on that later. Unthl this morning, Madame Deputy Speaker, it

:52:46.:52:49.

was not clear to me why the olive branch I had extended to thd

:52:50.:52:53.

Government had been quite so hotly ignored, then I found out what the

:52:54.:53:06.

minute -- minister said, and what was said at the cocktail party for

:53:07.:53:09.

the ladies and gentlemen of the press yesterday evening, thdy said

:53:10.:53:14.

that candidly we will not bd publishing the carbon plan by the

:53:15.:53:16.

end of the year. The carbon plan? What is that? It is not the sort of

:53:17.:53:22.

thing any normal member of the public might think sounds tdrribly

:53:23.:53:26.

important and if I were to dxplain that it is important, reallx

:53:27.:53:29.

important, because it is supposed to set out precisely how the Government

:53:30.:53:34.

will meet its carbon budget, that same hypothetical member of the

:53:35.:53:37.

public may look blank because people do not speak in these terms, they do

:53:38.:53:41.

not speak in terms of carbon plans and carbon budgets, they spdak in

:53:42.:53:46.

terms of the effects, not btdgets, they know climate change is causing

:53:47.:53:49.

disruption across the world with more flooding in some places, and

:53:50.:53:54.

more drought in others, stronger hurricanes and typhoons and loss of

:53:55.:53:58.

crops and arable land, they know it is related to emissions polluting

:53:59.:54:02.

our air and children's lungs and these are the things import`nt to

:54:03.:54:06.

them, and that is... Yes, in a moment. That is precisely why the

:54:07.:54:13.

politicians did agree backing 2 08, under a Labour Government, but very

:54:14.:54:18.

much on a cross-party basis, to limit the ways we were caushng those

:54:19.:54:23.

problems. To reduce and limht the emissions that were changing the

:54:24.:54:26.

world with such devastating effect, that is why we created the committee

:54:27.:54:32.

on climate change, to set ldgally binding carbon budgets that would

:54:33.:54:36.

precisely limit the damage we did, but of course we tasked thel to make

:54:37.:54:42.

sure we always adopted them as cost efficient pathways so we cotld move

:54:43.:54:46.

towards the long-term target of at least 80% reduction in emissions by

:54:47.:54:51.

2050, that the honourable l`dy mentioned, at the lowest possible

:54:52.:54:56.

cost to the public and to industry and to business. That is whx this

:54:57.:55:04.

carbon plan is so important. How dare the Secretary of State let s

:55:05.:55:07.

look at a cocktail party to a few journalists that of course we will

:55:08.:55:11.

not be publishing the carbon plan by the end of this year. Kodaira the

:55:12.:55:15.

minister revealed to the group that we may find space in the tiletable

:55:16.:55:27.

to publish it in 2017 -- how dare the Minister May? May? I ask the

:55:28.:55:35.

Minister to Regal -- to read the legislation. It says the Government

:55:36.:55:39.

must put it into effect. Thd fourth carbon budget was published in 011.

:55:40.:55:44.

Five and a half years later we still have no carbon plan. My grasp of the

:55:45.:55:49.

English language is not so weak as to think that five and a half years

:55:50.:55:53.

with a change of Government and the new Prime Minister in betwedn

:55:54.:55:57.

constitutes as soon as reasonably practicable, and now the minister

:55:58.:56:02.

says he "May" get round to ht in 2017? Earlier this year thex

:56:03.:56:08.

promised that the reason for delay was simply that they wanted now to

:56:09.:56:12.

include in their measures for achieving the fifth carbon budget in

:56:13.:56:17.

the plan. Which they set, of course, almost three weeks later th`n the

:56:18.:56:21.

legislation allowed, another area in which this Government has lost

:56:22.:56:26.

confidence in people. Again, the legislation is very clear. Ht is

:56:27.:56:31.

primary legislation, it says the carbon budget must be deposhted 12

:56:32.:56:35.

years, on the 30th of June, 12 years before it comes into effect, and

:56:36.:56:41.

they published it before but said that in legislation and that is what

:56:42.:56:45.

is required by the law, to be set in legislation until the 19th of July,

:56:46.:56:49.

almost three weeks late. Sorry, I did say I would give way to the

:56:50.:56:53.

honourable gentleman... I thank the honourable gentleman for giving way,

:56:54.:57:00.

and I am glad he is making the point about publishing the carbon plan

:57:01.:57:03.

which I think would be a good and useful next step. He was spdaking

:57:04.:57:06.

about the pertinence of clilate change to ordinary people in the

:57:07.:57:10.

streets and it brings it down to reality when you see, for example,

:57:11.:57:16.

in Wales, the flooding dangdr, the current cost of remedying that

:57:17.:57:21.

danger would be about ?200 lillion, and that is certain to grow. That is

:57:22.:57:30.

one need for urgency. The honourable gentleman is absolutely right. These

:57:31.:57:35.

things... When we speak abott them in terms of carbon plans and carbon

:57:36.:57:40.

budgets, they can often seel as if we are speaking in a separate world

:57:41.:57:45.

to what people listen to and understand. They do underst`nd when

:57:46.:57:49.

their homes are being flooddd, they know that these are the effdcts of

:57:50.:57:52.

climate change. What they nded to know is that we are following what

:57:53.:57:56.

was the best legislative model set out in the world in 2008, whth that

:57:57.:58:03.

cross-party agreement, under the leadership of my right honotrable

:58:04.:58:07.

friend. That is what we achheved here and it has become a model

:58:08.:58:11.

across the world, but we have to follow it. And the tragedy hs that

:58:12.:58:15.

this Government has been backsliding from it. The reason ministers could

:58:16.:58:20.

not accept the cross-party olive branch I extended to them w`s

:58:21.:58:24.

because they knew that the night before they were about to admit to

:58:25.:58:29.

the world that they still h`d not got a single clue about how they

:58:30.:58:32.

were going to meet the promhses and targets that they had already made

:58:33.:58:38.

to keep the UK safe from clhmate change, that they were not dven

:58:39.:58:42.

going to commit to a new de`dline when they might put such a plan

:58:43.:58:46.

together and that to come to this chamber today, all smiles and in a

:58:47.:58:52.

cross-party endeavour to ratify the Paris agreement, would have exposed

:58:53.:58:56.

them to the accusation of bding arrogant hypocrites. They h`ve

:58:57.:59:02.

avoided that charge, Madame Deputy Speaker, they have avoided that

:59:03.:59:07.

charge. But they have opened themselves up to an infinitd number

:59:08.:59:12.

are. Incompetence, dithering, and the business, they are a party

:59:13.:59:19.

divided between those who sht on the backbenches very often seeing all

:59:20.:59:22.

these budgets and plans are just costly green clap, and that we

:59:23.:59:28.

should get on with the future industrial strategy based on fossil

:59:29.:59:33.

fuels, and a few sane heads, some of whom are in this's today -- costly

:59:34.:59:42.

green crap. Order, there is some unrest about the honourable

:59:43.:59:44.

gentleman's language. But in using the word I would not invite him to

:59:45.:59:48.

use or use myself, he was in fact quoting, was he, perhaps? Mx excuse,

:59:49.:59:55.

Madame Deputy Speaker Speakdr, is that I believe I was quoting the

:59:56.:00:00.

former Prime Minister, who tsed such language about his previous

:00:01.:00:03.

embrace... We will leave thd point as to whether it is a quote or a

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misquote, but I am sure the honourable gentleman will tdmper his

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language. Point of order, Mr Davies. Madame Deputy Speaker I am not in

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the least offended by the Honourable honourable gentleman's langtage but

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if he is allowed to describd green policies in that fashion, whll I be

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allowed to do the same? No! I am grateful to the honourable gentleman

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for making his point of orddr, because that was the reason for my

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intervention. To make sure that the rest of the debate will use

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temperate language and that which we would all be happy to quote in

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future. Madame Deputy Speakdr, thank you. I think it is interesthng

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because the Honourable gentleman who just made the point of order is one

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of those who does believe that the Government, in meeting its climate

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change commitments, is wrong-headed. He does believe that climatd change

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is, or at least man-made, htman made climate change, is somewhat

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overblown as hypothesis, and he is in effect a climate denier, and

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there are members of his party. . I will give way, of course. Up until

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that point he was quite right and I nodded. I have never ever ddnied the

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climate changes. In fact on every single occasion I have spokdn on it,

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and I made the point straightaway. Of course there are climate changes,

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but it has been changing a lot longer than the 250 years and it is

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the people opposite like thd honourable gentleman who sedm to

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deny that the climate actually changed prior to the industrial

:01:51.:01:54.

revolution that are the real deniers. I was of course referring

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to anthropogenic climate ch`nge that he is a denier of, and he knows

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that. But there are sane he`ds who understand that when the world's

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largest superpowers ratify ` climate on -- treaty on climate change that

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commits us to those targets this century, then it is time to do what

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President Obama said last wdek, and put your money where your mouth is.

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Last year the global investlent was $286 billion in the carbon dconomy.

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The problem is this... Investment in developing countries outpacd that in

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richer nations. We are lockdd in a low-carbon race and we are losing.

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The reason I want us to get on and ratify is not because Paris is some

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sort of totemic environment`l sin, but it is because political

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leadership sends a strong shgnal to attract investment. Those countries

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who have a clear policy fralework are the ones who attract investment.

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Those countries with a stable policy framework are the ones who `ttract

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investment. In the UK, over the past few years, we have had neither. This

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month, they plan to hike thd tax on businesses with rooftop sol`r

:03:14.:03:18.

installations by a six to ehght times increase in business rates. In

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time the 15 pick-up or inst`llations over five megawatts and redtced

:03:25.:03:32.

solar subsidy for the rest by 6 % -- six to eight times increase in

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business Wind power, they decided to end all

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subsidy for onshore wind farms. They took away all subsidy for offshore

:03:49.:03:58.

wind farms. Biomass, I wrotd to the Secretary of State to ask hhm why

:03:59.:04:02.

regular tree changes to the tariff structures were rushed throtgh this

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are using secondary legislation to amend the renewable heat incentive

:04:09.:04:11.

without proper consultation and no impact assessments being made

:04:12.:04:16.

assessing the risks to business Business and trade associathons to

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estimate that ?140 million of their investment is now at risk. On carbon

:04:24.:04:28.

capture and storage technology they broke their manifesto promised

:04:29.:04:37.

cancelling all finance. Sinking the White Rose and the Peterhead

:04:38.:04:41.

projects. On energy efficiency, they ditched zero carbon homes policy.

:04:42.:04:49.

They scrapped the green Deal policy. In times possibly do and vehicle

:04:50.:04:55.

excise duty incentive follow emissions vehicles. In four years we

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have sunk from fourth to 13th in the index of the best places for

:05:02.:05:05.

investment in low carbon industries. Just to make the investments picture

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complete, they took the quite monstrous decision to sell off the

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green investment bank, a bank that was precisely set up becausd there

:05:15.:05:19.

was a market failure that the private sector simply could not

:05:20.:05:24.

address by abolishing the green investment bank we are now prepared

:05:25.:05:28.

to start low carbon industrhes in the UK of the very investment they

:05:29.:05:33.

need at that critical phase of development. Not all part of the

:05:34.:05:39.

energy nexus at being hurt by this government. In 2013, they announced

:05:40.:05:43.

fracking companies would pax have the tags conventional oil and gas

:05:44.:05:49.

producers pay. They then called it the most generous tax regimd for

:05:50.:05:57.

shale in the world. DCS, offshore wind come onshore wind, biolass

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green deal, is there any part of the energy sector haven't mentioned Oh,

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yes. Nuclear. Nuclear. Hinckley Oh dear. Deserve. Delay. Incompetence.

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An overpriced contract that will cost the bill payer, not thd

:06:24.:06:29.

government, the bill payer not at the ?6.1 billion originally

:06:30.:06:34.

calculated by the government that the ?30 billion as now determined by

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the National Audit Office. We'll the honourable gentleman kindly give

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way? In a minute. This is a projdct Madam

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Deputy Speaker which is alrdady 80 is delayed. The Prime Minister has

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thrown into chaos. Two and half years ago the government should have

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reviewed this project on grounds of cost, to do so after the EDF board

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had taken a final knife edgd a final investment decision. This shows a

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level of contempt for investors in our energy infrastructure, ` lack of

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understanding about how company boards actually take decisions that

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is sending out the most dam`ging message and turning them aw`y from

:07:29.:07:34.

the UK as a market of preference for low carbon investment.

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I give way. I thank the gentleman forgiving way. He is making a

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powerful point. I'd like to suggest it is all about one user st`tistics.

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This country is 16% of our dnergy comes from renewables and this year

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25% of our electricity is from sources. He laughs but in 2014 0%

:07:53.:08:00.

of all Europe's renewable energy investment took place here. With the

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honourable gentleman not agree that is an excellent track record and on

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the best ways we can indicate we're combating change is by phashng out

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fossil fuel power stations? That is what the government is doing.

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The honourable lady is absolutely right that we have had a very

:08:25.:08:35.

enviable track record in thd amount and way our renewables have grown.

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But they were created by thd policies that previously allowed

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that subsidy in the renewable industry. The points I have just

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been making show quite clearly how the government in the past 08 months

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and two years has actually withdrawn those subsidies and as I sahd then,

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the effect on the solar indtstry, for example, was a 93% cut hn the

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projects that are going ahe`d. Can you give way? The honourabld lady

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may have mention energy in terms of investment, what she failed to

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mention is energy companies in this country very often by in thdir

:09:26.:09:32.

energy from Europe. That dodsn't say very much for the government 's s

:09:33.:09:36.

energy policy. My honourable friend makes `n

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important point and one that I haven't referred to in my speech and

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I'm glad he has drawn the House s attention to it. Interconnection

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with Europe is vital for endrgy security and I think it would be a

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very positive move with the minister, when he responds, were to

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talk about the future of endrgy infrastructure in the -- and the

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future. It can stand separately but I would very much liked havd

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confirmation from the Minister that is the intention of the govdrnment,

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to make sure that is safegu`rded because it is an important way of

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managing our supply. Instead of using our time today, Madam Deputy

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Speaker, to take a step forward we have had to hold the governlent to

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account for just how far thd UK leadership on climate changd has

:10:41.:10:45.

fallen on this government's watch. Leapfrogs by the world's biggest

:10:46.:10:49.

polluters. We have gone frol the world leading climate changd act to

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where we now sit with a 47% gap in meeting our target that we simply do

:10:54.:11:00.

not know how to fill and have not yet even given a date for the

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publication of the plan as to when we will fill it. Actually, H will

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rephrase that. We do know how to fill it, it is by properly

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insulating millions of homes in the UK, to increase energy efficiency

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and where that is not viabld by ensuring they have access to low

:11:21.:11:24.

carbon renewable community sources of energy so we're not burnhng

:11:25.:11:28.

fossil fuels to see the heat escape through draughty walls and windows.

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It is by chance falling our transport system. -- it is by

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transforming. Later on todax the leader of the Labour Party will be

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setting out his ambitious vhsion for our environment and energy policy

:11:48.:11:52.

creating 300,000 jobs in low carbon industries and using a new

:11:53.:11:55.

investment banks to invest hn public and community owned renewable

:11:56.:11:57.

projects. The Paris Agreement demands we move to a net zero carbon

:11:58.:12:04.

future in the second half of this century. That requires cour`ge and

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it requires imagination. It requires a coherence, low carbon invdstment

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plan. Today should have been a day when all parties came together to

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piece together that the futtre in optimism and hope. By turning its

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back on that opportunity thd government must explain when it ll

:12:27.:12:29.

ratify the Paris Agreement `nd when it will publish the carbon plan to

:12:30.:12:34.

show the British public how it will deliver on that promise.

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Thank you, very much. The qtestion is as on the order paper. Mhnister,

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Strinic heard. -- Nick Hurd.

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Opposition days as you well know are traditionally set up for division. I

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have to be honest when I saw the motion before us I thought today was

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going to be different. But 28 minutes later I am disappointed I

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am disappointed by the tone the honourable gentleman stats for this.

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I am disappointed because as he knows, and I hope he knows, I have a

:13:25.:13:29.

deep respect for him person`lly and it is known he has a man who has a

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deep and serious knowledge of this issue and this agenda and a serious

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commitment to it today but that speech was disappointing. Wd have,

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as I said, opposition days `re set up for divisions. Sometimes those

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divisions are real. Sometimds they are exaggerated, rarely havd I been

:13:55.:14:00.

asked to open a debate wherd the division has been so entirely

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manufactured, stretched and distorted. In a way that is really

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unhelpful. The heart of my disappointment is that. Tod`y, we

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have an opportunity to have a substantive and timely debate on an

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issue of enormous importancd. We can take stock at a pivotal timd of

:14:27.:14:32.

where we are in what is now, at last, a global effort to manage the

:14:33.:14:39.

risk of dangerous, expensivd and possibly extreme climate

:14:40.:14:47.

instability. Arguably the most complex and important long-term

:14:48.:14:49.

issue that our generation of politicians has to grapple with An

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issue on which there has bedn impressive and very important

:14:58.:15:00.

cross-party support over successive governments. Not least when the

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ground-breaking and enormously influential climate change `ct on

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whose Bill committee I remahn proud to have sat was passed by a majority

:15:09.:15:16.

of 463. Without that cross-party support British governments would

:15:17.:15:19.

not have been able to show the leadership we have done and a

:15:20.:15:23.

different political colours which has enabled us to have a global

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influence which is at the hdart of the honourable gentleman 's motion

:15:31.:15:34.

today. A motion which encourages the government to get on and do what we

:15:35.:15:41.

have already said we will do, confirmed again by the Primd

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Minister today. It is to ratify the Paris treaty as soon as possible. I

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urge the honourable gentlem`n to resist what I think I heard which

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was an urge to play party g`mes particularly against the backdrop of

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a Labour leadership election. It is extremely unhelpful and out of

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character for him. Out of rdspect for him I wanted addresses lotion

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and in doing so seeks to re`ssure the House and many outside who quite

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rightly says are deeply concerned about this issue, that this new

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department led by a highly respected former Shadow Secretary of State for

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Energy and Climate Change Committee alongside me on the front bdnch this

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afternoon, and the new government remains committed to Britain playing

:16:34.:16:41.

a full part in the global effort to improve our climate securitx. There

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is no issue of backsliding. We are committed to this. Why? Not only

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because we see climate change is one of the biggest long-term risks to

:16:52.:16:56.

our future security and prosperity, the risk that has to be man`ged but

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also because we believe long-term cost effective climate action is an

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opportunity to promote growth, to promote good jobs as well as

:17:09.:17:11.

improvements to our health, not least through the rights to enjoy

:17:12.:17:19.

clean air in our cities. We are committed to ratifying I will

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eliminate, we are committed to ratifying the pivotal Paris

:17:24.:17:32.

Agreement. We see it as a start We are committed to the climatd change

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act, there is no more important is proof of that in the short term than

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the very early, unflinching decision to put into law a fifth carbon

:17:42.:17:49.

budget. I pay tribute to my friend the honourable member for Hdreford

:17:50.:17:56.

who just hours after he was leeward from the charms of Chairing the

:17:57.:18:02.

select committee to enter government, was on his feet opposite

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the honourable gentleman dohng exactly that. Putting into law the

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fifth carbon budget which anyone who knows anything about this stbject

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knows is an extremely important and challenging commitment on the half

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of the British people. That is no more important is proof point that

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has such an early stage in the new apartments life that commitlent was

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made. -- new department. Thank you. The honourable gdntleman

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mention the important of -- importance of green jobs. Otr

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present Ashfield, a former call community, where the jobs h`ve been

:18:42.:18:46.

replaced with ones that are not as secure or well-paid, what is the

:18:47.:18:49.

Government doing to get jobs to areas like mine -- coal comlunity.

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She addresses is very subst`ntive issue. This is very important, and

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it lies at the heart of this Government's commitment to forge and

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put on the tin of this new department the need for an

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industrial strategy, that in the words of the Prime Minister, works

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for everyone in creating a broader sense of opportunity across the

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country, and takes a very h`rd look at industries and the sector and

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places and think about future competitiveness and resilient and

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asks the question is, we will the opportunities come from? How do we

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broaden opportunity for people? Fundamental deep questions which

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might friend at the Secretary of State is involved with. I whll go on

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to explain this but this debate today on the debate about otr low

:19:38.:19:40.

carbon economy is fundament`l so I thank her for that intervention I

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was trying to make the point, Madame Deputy Speaker, about the ilportance

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of the fifth carbon budget which commits us to reducing our dmissions

:19:50.:19:56.

by 57% by 2030, compared to 199 , now that is a very major colmitment.

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I will return to the issue of our commitment to take effect of climate

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action in the UK but I would like out of respect to the honourable

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gentleman to address the issue of Paris ratification. Before loving on

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to address the issue of how we intend to maintain our international

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influence. In relation to ratification of Paris, we shgned the

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agreement in April and said we would ratify it as soon as possible and we

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will. For the information of the House, although the honourable

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gentleman knows this, there are two steps of ratification. Country's

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first complete their domesthc processors to do that then have a

:20:38.:20:43.

ratification with the UN. Wd signed the agreement is part of thd

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European Union. We know we negotiated together and, ond point

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ignored in his speech, the convention is we will ratifx

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together. I.e., that is the understanding, and until we leave

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the EU the UK will remain a full member with all the obligathons this

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entails. Now, if I could finish this section, I am more than happy to

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take an intervention. I think colleagues will understand the

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complexity of a process whereby so many different countries ard going

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through their domestic procdssors of approval, most of which differ. We

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are lucky in that ours is rdlatively straightforward. That means, and

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this understanding of the convention that we will ratify simultaneously,

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this means it has always bedn understood and this has been

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confirmed to me by the most senior people involved in the negotiation

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process, that the EU was never expected to be at the vangu`rd of

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ratification, and indeed th`t in part explains why others have chosen

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to go first, and of course we welcome that, because earlidr

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ratification of this huge agreement is something we welcome. For the

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same reason, and I will just finish this then of course will take

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interventions, for the same reason it is very difficult for us to set

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the timeline for ratification that he seeks. To do that in the motion,

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because it depends so much on the timing of these other processes But

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I would like to reassure thd honourable gentleman and thd House

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that we will start our own process as soon as possible, and although I

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cannot confirm the exact tiletable today, because processes ard not

:22:35.:22:39.

complete, we will decide and we will communicate that at the appropriate

:22:40.:22:44.

point, and whether it is next week, as he seeks, or soon after, is not

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frankly the main issue. Tod`y the main issue is that we get on with

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ratification, fulfil our colmitment to do that as soon as possible, and

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with that I am very happy to take the intervention and thank him for

:22:58.:23:02.

his patients. I thank the honourable gentleman for giving way. Would he

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accept that he has just said it was never the intention that thd

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European Union would be abld to ratify this without the founding

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members, but in March this xear the EU Council conclusion stated and

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underlined the need for the European Union and its member states to be

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able to ratify the Paris agreement as soon as possible, and on time, so

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as to be parties as of its dntry into force. So in fact that was

:23:30.:23:34.

precisely the conclusion of the March council, that we would be

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founder members and we would enter, but because it is now clear that

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that final ratification with the secretary-general is going to be in

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December of this year, before the end of this year, it is vit`l that

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EU member states now take e`rly action and we should be takdn even

:23:52.:23:56.

earlier action to push other member states to do that to fulfil what the

:23:57.:24:02.

European Council stated itsdlf? Just to be absolutely clear, this

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Government absolutely welcoles the shift in dynamic in terms of the

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ratification process. This hs fantastically good news, and as he

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pointed out and started his speech with and was entirely right about,

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the most important change and the most important change since I was

:24:18.:24:20.

immersed in this in my first parliament, is the shift in the

:24:21.:24:23.

attitudes of the United States and the Chinese, the two biggest

:24:24.:24:26.

economies. This is the game changer in terms of this process. Frankly,

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that is much more important than the exact timing of when really a plan

:24:32.:24:37.

out in this place. No one h`s any doubt about their commitment, about

:24:38.:24:40.

the commitment of the UK to this process. We have demonstratdd that

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under leadership of successhve Secretary of States, and I `m

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delighted to see the member for Doncaster in his place todax, over

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many governments and many Sdcretary of States. -- secretaries of state.

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I would like to say I am he`rtened by the positivity of the Minister on

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this. The very fact the United States have come forward first with

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the ratification is really largely because Britain was leading the way

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on this first of all, and they have taken the lead, and indeed lany of

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these countries, China in particular, is one of the bhggest

:25:15.:25:19.

offenders on climate change, so to see them taking part is gre`t, but I

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would like to urge the Minister to continue to lead the way and I am

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heartened by his assurances that we will ratify this and we will

:25:30.:25:32.

actually be playing our part. I thank my honourable friend for that

:25:33.:25:34.

constructive and positive intervention and I am delighted we

:25:35.:25:38.

are doing our bit to shift the tone of this debate which is in need and

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I will go on to address her point, which is how we intend to m`intain

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our leadership and maintain this international influence, because it

:25:49.:25:53.

is a fundamental question. Xes. . I thank the honourable gentlelan for

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giving way. The Minister of course is quite right to point to the two

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stage process of the ratification and the question of how in the UK we

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go about the process of rathfication in conjunction with the EU, but the

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fact of the matter is that that is undertaken in the UK by an order of

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an EU treaty, debated by both Houses, coming out the other end,

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and this has already been completed by France, and yet we are nowhere

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near even thinking about th`t, as far as I can see, as far as the UK

:26:28.:26:32.

is concerned. Is that the Mhnister's understanding? Is such a process

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imminent? Can he indicate stch a process is imminent in this House? I

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thank the honourable gentlelan for his intervention. He has a long and

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distinguished record and we were on committee together in what seems

:26:45.:26:46.

like the very long time ago. He is right in one point. Yes, Fr`nce have

:26:47.:26:54.

completed their domestic processors. He is entirely wrong on the second

:26:55.:26:56.

one which is that the Government has not begun to think about it. We have

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and are in position to make our announcement on this at the

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appropriate point and I am sorry it is not today. As the right

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honourable gentleman would wish but we have made it clear, as the Prime

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Minister, and again I think she said this explicitly today, that we do

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intend to ratify it as soon as possible. I would like to ttrn to

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this important question of international influence. And it is

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really important. Part of otr fundamental challenge as a country

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is not just about how we make our own commitments in the most fair and

:27:29.:27:33.

cost-effective way, and we will turn to that, but it is about how we

:27:34.:27:38.

maximise our influence to m`ke sure that others play their full part.

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And it is all linked, of cotrse because it makes it much easier for

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us to keep our people and otr businesses and private sector with

:27:51.:27:54.

us on this journey. If they feel other countries are playing their

:27:55.:27:59.

full part, and if they feel that there is global opportunity I wrote

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the low carbon economy and that is real and substantial -- arotnd the

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low carbon economy, so something the UK must maximise its involvdment in.

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She is probing quite understandably and quite rightly and that hs

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something I want to address. UK diplomacy, Madame Deputy Spdaker, is

:28:20.:28:22.

widely recognised as having played an important role in securing the

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Paris agreement, and not just in securing it but in shaping ht.

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Because if you look at what actually countries have signed up to in terms

:28:33.:28:37.

of the framework for the colmitment going forward, they have cldarly

:28:38.:28:42.

been influenced and shaped by our structure in the UK, and th`t is

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enormously welcome. Our influence was not based on symbolism but on

:28:49.:28:51.

substance. We were the first to put our own house in order, putting

:28:52.:28:59.

targets into law, that remahn a world leading and implement the

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policies to meet them. We then established what is still the most

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extensive network of climatd at a chase in our overseas embassies of

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any country in the world -- attaches. We had green finance,

:29:19.:29:22.

climate legislation, and we are now currently working with the Chinese

:29:23.:29:27.

on their own trading scheme, and in many of these areas UK expertise is

:29:28.:29:33.

world leading, and sharing ht has strengthened our bilateral relations

:29:34.:29:36.

and opened up commercial opportunities. I would like to pay

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full respect to Sir David Khng in the work he has done over m`ny years

:29:42.:29:46.

with real commitment and passion which he maintains today. Now, we

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have played a leading role saw on the issue of international climate

:29:51.:29:55.

finance. Head of Paris we committed to committing at least ?5.8 billion,

:29:56.:30:00.

serious money, of international climate finance over the next five

:30:01.:30:03.

years, to do something really important, which is to support Pura

:30:04.:30:07.

countries in terms of raising their level of ambition to reduce

:30:08.:30:13.

emissions and strengthen thdir resilience to climate in security --

:30:14.:30:18.

poorer countries. And with the climate finance brief at DFHD, and

:30:19.:30:26.

what are seen in trips to Africa about exposure and the cost attached

:30:27.:30:34.

to a lack of resilience to climate change, it makes it even cldarer in

:30:35.:30:39.

my mind about the importancd of international climate finance and I

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am very proud of our lead and the fact that we have been asked by the

:30:43.:30:45.

global community to take thd lead into Marrakesh on setting up the

:30:46.:30:49.

road map for further emission in that area. So we arrived in Paris

:30:50.:30:53.

well respected with a strong set of relationships, and on top of that

:30:54.:30:57.

the UK negotiating team in the UN is recognised as one of the stronger

:30:58.:31:00.

still the world. It was rightly praised after Paris for havhng

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played a key role bringing together very diverse countries into the

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agreement, and before closing at think it is important to also put on

:31:08.:31:13.

record my personal appreciation played by the -- of the leadership

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role played by the Home Secretary of the Member of Parliament for

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Hastings. I would like to rdassure the House that all of these elements

:31:22.:31:28.

of our influence remained strong. Our bilateral cooperation whth key

:31:29.:31:31.

international partners on climate and energy remains as wide reaching

:31:32.:31:35.

and ambitious as ever. As I said, our climate finance over thd next

:31:36.:31:39.

five years will be 50% greater than it was over the past five ydars Our

:31:40.:31:43.

investment in clean energy research and development will double over the

:31:44.:31:49.

next five years and we are now a leading member of a group of 20

:31:50.:31:51.

countries that have all madd this commitment and agreed... Thd

:31:52.:31:58.

financial sector and indeed our governor of our Bank of England is

:31:59.:32:02.

leading the way globally on finance and on the really important issue of

:32:03.:32:06.

climate risk disclosure, and the Bank of England is co-chairhng the

:32:07.:32:10.

T20's work on the screen finance with the People's Bank Of China The

:32:11.:32:17.

negotiating teams across Government remain connected not only on the

:32:18.:32:21.

process which we will discuss soon again on Marrakesh but also on

:32:22.:32:25.

emissions from civil aviation, the maritime sector and HFCs. I agree

:32:26.:32:34.

ratifying the Paris agreement soon is important symbolically and that

:32:35.:32:37.

is why we will do that as soon as we can but it is simpler not credible,

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Madame Deputy Speaker, to stggest our international influence hangs on

:32:42.:32:48.

this one point of symbolism which in fact it is so firmly rooted in in

:32:49.:32:51.

substance. We in this Government are proud of the leadership the UK has

:32:52.:32:54.

shown and we have absolutelx no intention of surrendering

:32:55.:33:01.

Our influence overseas will rest on our action at home. Few countries

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can a greater claim to leaddrship and decarbonisation than thd UK We

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set a legally binding target to reduce our emissions by at least 80%

:33:17.:33:21.

compared to 1990. This targdt is in line to the Paris agreements's goal

:33:22.:33:26.

of keeping temperature rise to well below 2 degrees. We didn't just set

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targets. We focused not on the symbolism but on substance. We have

:33:33.:33:39.

reduced UK emissions by 36% in 014 compared to 1990. Between 2010 and

:33:40.:33:47.

2015 we've reduced emissions by 17%. The biggest reduction in a single

:33:48.:33:54.

parliament. On this journey it is worth pointing out we have proven

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something important. We havd proven something that was in doubt when we

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started debating this in 2005 and 2006. Does occur emissions come at

:34:09.:34:13.

the expense of economic growth? It doesn't. UK emissions have degree

:34:14.:34:19.

since 1991 GDP has increased. By 2014 emissions had fallen 36% of GDP

:34:20.:34:28.

has increased by 61% since 0990 We have proved the green growth is a

:34:29.:34:34.

reality. We have investment in clean energy. 99% of our solar power has

:34:35.:34:40.

been installed since 2010. Renewables provide a greater share

:34:41.:34:43.

of our electricity generation Dan Cole. I am confident this progress

:34:44.:34:54.

will continue. We are on tr`ck for 35% of our electricity to come from

:34:55.:35:00.

renewables by 2020, as we ddvelop our emissions reduction plan and I

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will respond to the provocation which is what it was from the

:35:07.:35:11.

honourable gentleman, which is one of the top priorities of thd

:35:12.:35:16.

department, we will set a course towards deeper emission redtctions

:35:17.:35:21.

in treating and transport. He asked me about emission reduction plan and

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he distorted, and I think manufactured, any suggestions of

:35:27.:35:33.

gossip from the Secretary of State for climate, and distorted what I

:35:34.:35:40.

said last night. He needs to check his sources. We will talk about the

:35:41.:35:45.

emissions reduction plan. The first point of this is it matters

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enormously. Any suggestion from in this government isn't taking it

:35:50.:35:58.

seriously or doesn't understand the importance of this plan is dntirely

:35:59.:36:05.

misleading and miss represent our petition. It is important for the

:36:06.:36:13.

reasons he states for underpinning the credibility of our progress

:36:14.:36:17.

towards these very challenghng decarbonisation targets but also

:36:18.:36:24.

because, as he stated, if done well they will send the signal to market

:36:25.:36:28.

for investments for the mobhlisation of the Private sector. The lost

:36:29.:36:37.

important thing is to get this right. I am going to finish because

:36:38.:36:44.

he had plenty of time and they would like to make this point, he knows I

:36:45.:36:53.

am laid-back but he stirred me. Everything that drives the

:36:54.:36:57.

conversations we are having about the emission reduction plan is about

:36:58.:37:00.

we have got to do this propdrly We have got to get this right. The

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reality is, and he knows thhs, what lies before us is challenging. We

:37:11.:37:14.

have to take people with us. We have to take a whole set of new linisters

:37:15.:37:23.

who need time to get on top of the issues because they are so

:37:24.:37:28.

important. We need to engagd with the private sector, we need to

:37:29.:37:38.

engage with the NGOs. We nedd to make sure it is connected whth the

:37:39.:37:45.

work being done in the industrial strategy because Paris changes so

:37:46.:37:52.

much now. Not least the two largest economies in the world are saying we

:37:53.:37:55.

are now set out on a path to decarbonisation of our power

:37:56.:38:05.

stations. We need to get thhs right and simply all I was saying that is

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the priority. If we can do `ll those things by the end of 2016, great.

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But the overriding priority is to get it right and that is wh`t drives

:38:20.:38:23.

us. I hope that are supportdd by the members of all size of the House you

:38:24.:38:28.

can see this commitment is hmportant for our own UK national intdrest and

:38:29.:38:35.

identity as responsible cithzens. I am going to conclude that otr

:38:36.:38:39.

primary task here is to man`ge the risk but all this investment

:38:40.:38:43.

innovation is creating one of the most important economic

:38:44.:38:49.

opportunities the UK has sedn since the industrial revolution. Global

:38:50.:38:54.

low carbon market is estimated to be worth about $5 trillion. It is

:38:55.:39:00.

focused to expand rapidly. Hn the next 15 years it is estimatdd at

:39:01.:39:05.

around 90 trillion US dollars will be invested in the world's dnergy

:39:06.:39:10.

systems, urban infrastructure and land-use and the proportion of it

:39:11.:39:18.

needs to be low carbon. Our leadership and UK experiencd will

:39:19.:39:22.

put UK industry and the prile benefit -- position to benefit. It

:39:23.:39:28.

is worth ?46 million today. It employs 240,000 people. That is

:39:29.:39:34.

great potential for it to continue to create high-value jobs in

:39:35.:39:38.

construction, manufacturing and service. That is why and it is a

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genuine point of difference here, the creation of the new Dep`rtment

:39:47.:39:53.

of business entity that energy is such an exciting opportunitx. As we

:39:54.:40:00.

contemplate the importance of Paris, as we go through the processes, we

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think about the future of otr places and industries and sectors `nd what

:40:06.:40:08.

we can do to make them more competitive. What we can do to

:40:09.:40:12.

broaden opportunity in this country and make the economy work for

:40:13.:40:26.

everyone. It must be right. I regret that the opposition continuds to

:40:27.:40:42.

show that the government as it is. Is this government not showhng they

:40:43.:40:48.

really have thought deeply `bout the situation by linking business with

:40:49.:40:51.

energy and with this low carbon era into tackling climate changd? This

:40:52.:41:00.

shows a whole new move in which this is the way to go if we are really

:41:01.:41:03.

serious about climate changd but with linking it with business.

:41:04.:41:07.

I couldn't agree more. The feedback we're getting from the business

:41:08.:41:13.

community on this is extremdly positive. They want governmdnt to

:41:14.:41:19.

join things up. I have got to finish because backbenchers must gdt in.

:41:20.:41:27.

Can you tell us when we're going to see the carbon plan for the

:41:28.:41:32.

emissions reduction plan? I know he has been busy talking to

:41:33.:41:36.

his colleagues but he may h`ve missed that bit of my speech when I

:41:37.:41:42.

talked about we are reviewing where we are with that plan, it is

:41:43.:41:46.

massively important, it has got to be done well and when we wotld like

:41:47.:41:51.

to do it, we'd like to do is buy the end of 2016. We are reviewing the

:41:52.:41:57.

process and if that changes we will make an announcement and a decision

:41:58.:42:02.

at an appropriate point. Whdn we're ready is the answer to that. We have

:42:03.:42:10.

always been in the UK and that the PM has made it clear, we always will

:42:11.:42:14.

be an outward looking country. Brexit doesn't change this. We have

:42:15.:42:21.

an unrivalled set of relationships around the world and our le`dership

:42:22.:42:25.

on climate change is recognhsed in the key international grouphngs We

:42:26.:42:28.

will continue to use the authority that cancel our domestic tr`ck

:42:29.:42:31.

record to shape the international. Few issues that affect our

:42:32.:42:40.

prosperity and poverty reduction ambitions are as important `s

:42:41.:42:43.

climate change. We can rightfully be proud of the road we have played

:42:44.:42:48.

across all parties and both sides of the House. This government dmbraces

:42:49.:42:54.

the challenge of keeping thd country on track to meet our long-tdrm

:42:55.:42:57.

domestic commitments in a f`irway, in a most cost-effective wax

:42:58.:43:03.

possible. We will do everything we can to continue to maintain our

:43:04.:43:08.

influence to make sure other people play their part and we will do

:43:09.:43:12.

everything we can to make stre on this long-term journey we m`ximise

:43:13.:43:18.

the benefits to British bushnesses, to British consumers and to the

:43:19.:43:21.

British taxpayer. I leave the House in no doubt about the commitments of

:43:22.:43:24.

this government to play a ftll part in the global effort to improve our

:43:25.:43:33.

client. I suggest to the honourable gentleman that he does not put his

:43:34.:43:37.

motion to the vote. Callum McCaig. That was a wrong

:43:38.:43:43.

conclusion. I have been sat like a taut spring. I will take sole time

:43:44.:43:50.

to get used to the new ministerial team. The House 's longest serving

:43:51.:43:57.

front bench climate change spokesman. I think we are hdre in

:43:58.:44:07.

our quarterly debate on clilate change, it seems we regularly

:44:08.:44:11.

discuss this matter. That is important but it is just a shame

:44:12.:44:15.

that it is speaking to the same faces. That is a wider body of folk

:44:16.:44:19.

on all parties who could do with hearing some of this and it is to

:44:20.:44:24.

deeply dreadful it is the s`me faces and lastly the same arguments. We

:44:25.:44:31.

can post that on the somewh`t and I think the shadow Secretary of State

:44:32.:44:34.

is attempting to do that in terms of the debate we are having today. I

:44:35.:44:38.

welcome the fact we're having this debate. I listened carefullx to the

:44:39.:44:41.

minister in terms of what hd suggesting. I am still at a loss as

:44:42.:44:48.

to why we can't press on with this. He said we see the ratification

:44:49.:44:52.

process as a start and we whll start as soon as possible. As we say the

:44:53.:44:58.

north-east of Scotland, it light be time to nip on a wee bit. This is

:44:59.:45:04.

genuinely important. The sylbolism the minister talked about is key.

:45:05.:45:09.

The UK has been a leader in this but with the ratification by thd US

:45:10.:45:13.

China, France and others we risk passing on the bat and others. That

:45:14.:45:18.

will be regrettable from thd UK s global voice on this. It is

:45:19.:45:23.

regrettable in terms of the lack of opportunity, losing the impdtus and

:45:24.:45:27.

losing that technological ldad and industry lead that we potentially

:45:28.:45:31.

have in terms of deploying the technologies that will make the

:45:32.:45:37.

Paris Agreement is possible. That is something to be celebrated. A year

:45:38.:45:41.

ago we were discussing the possibilities of Peacock and I don't

:45:42.:45:47.

think anyone thought the de`l would have been as strong as it is. There

:45:48.:45:51.

is a lot to be done but a ddal to keep the global deal, a global

:45:52.:45:56.

consensus to keep global warming below 2 degrees with an ambhtion to

:45:57.:46:01.

1.5 is to be welcomed. They are incredibly challenging targdts and

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delay in terms of ratificathon will not help. We need to get on with

:46:08.:46:14.

this. I think the terms of the debate are shifting. This is not

:46:15.:46:18.

just a debate of NGOs and those who cares. It is becoming mainstream in

:46:19.:46:23.

terms of political debate. The world was my biggest asset manager in a

:46:24.:46:30.

warning to investors said wd can no longer ignore climate changd.

:46:31.:46:34.

Climate factors have been under appreciated and overpriced because

:46:35.:46:37.

they have perceived to be dhstant. We are a degree warmer than the

:46:38.:46:41.

long-term trends and three of the hottest years on record havd been

:46:42.:46:46.

the last three years. If th`t is not a wake-up call to what we nded to

:46:47.:46:51.

do, if we're to keep things below that 1.5 degrees we'd better get

:46:52.:46:55.

started, we better get started quickly and we need to deploy the

:46:56.:46:58.

full range of our technologhcal know-how here and abroad or we're

:46:59.:47:03.

going to miss that one chance we get at making sure we do not sedk

:47:04.:47:09.

catastrophic climate change. The changes, the impact of clim`te

:47:10.:47:13.

change here in the UK have been set out by the climate change committee,

:47:14.:47:20.

increased flooding, conversdly drought, food shortages and

:47:21.:47:23.

potentially damage to critical infrastructure. This is a bhg

:47:24.:47:28.

country, this is a rich country we could weather a lot of that. No pun

:47:29.:47:36.

intended. But there are othdrs who are not so fortunate. We nedd to be

:47:37.:47:40.

planning ahead, we need to get the mitigation and the adoption in that

:47:41.:47:44.

the ways it is going to be lore expensive but we also need to help

:47:45.:47:49.

others. The most precious thing that came out of the agreement is that

:47:50.:47:56.

international consensus. Thdre is a suggestion that consensus is already

:47:57.:48:00.

beginning to fray. The preshdent of the Philippines who is not someone I

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would seek to quote, but I think this is symbolic of the atthtude

:48:11.:48:15.

change that we risk causing if we're not serious about this and get on

:48:16.:48:20.

with it, he said in terms of the ratification and the IND se` for the

:48:21.:48:24.

Philippines, you are trying to stifle earth, that is stupid, I will

:48:25.:48:29.

not honour it. He did changd his tune a little bit later in

:48:30.:48:33.

addressing the Philippine p`rliament and saying, addressing clim`te

:48:34.:48:36.

change should be a top priority is built upon a fair equation. It

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should not stymie our industrialisation and that hs fair.

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That is a fair point. The greatest eye Moody is the countries who have

:48:48.:48:52.

contributed least to climatd change at the countries that stand to lose

:48:53.:48:58.

the most. -- the greatest irony The putter as members of those

:48:59.:49:03.

communities who have contributed even less to it will be the first to

:49:04.:49:08.

see their livelihoods and w`y of life destroyed by climate change. We

:49:09.:49:12.

have two address the problel of climate change but we have two

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address it with climate justice at its heart.

:49:17.:49:21.

The ?100 billion that was at the heart of the agreement in P`ris in

:49:22.:49:27.

terms of climate finance is absolutely fundamental. It hs money

:49:28.:49:32.

that can be used for adaption, for new technologies, but it has to be

:49:33.:49:40.

new money and built on a consensus, an international consensus, that

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recognises the rich parts of this world have contributed more than

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their fair share to contribtting the problem and causing the mess and

:49:51.:49:52.

that we are certain we will pay more of the price in cleaning up that

:49:53.:49:59.

mess. We cannot have a systdm where global development is stymidd

:50:00.:50:03.

because countries cannot industrialise in the model we have

:50:04.:50:09.

used. We need to have new models of industrialisation. They need to skip

:50:10.:50:12.

the dirty face and move on to the Queen faces. They need to sde the

:50:13.:50:17.

investment in solar, in wind and the new technologies that will come

:50:18.:50:24.

they will need support -- move to the clean phases. Some of that will

:50:25.:50:28.

be in aid, no doubt, but it also comes with an opportunity. We have

:50:29.:50:31.

the technology is to do that, we have the business opportunities to

:50:32.:50:37.

do that, we can help. This could be a mutually beneficial partndrship

:50:38.:50:40.

with the poorer countries of this planet, to help them develop. That

:50:41.:50:45.

is a moral responsibility I believe we have, but also an economhc

:50:46.:50:49.

opportunity, so if your mor`ls are suffering and you do not fedl

:50:50.:50:53.

particularly compelled to act based on the moral imperative of ht, try

:50:54.:50:58.

and make some money out of that at least, and it would be a wax to go

:50:59.:51:02.

forward. The two things can go hand in hand but they need the correct

:51:03.:51:07.

support, both at home and abroad. Now, the minister spoke abott how it

:51:08.:51:12.

is really important and verx welcome that in his terms on the tin of

:51:13.:51:19.

Government there is industrhal strategy, and I think that hs

:51:20.:51:22.

welcome, but I think we havd to reflect the converse of that. You

:51:23.:51:27.

cannot have it both ways, and off the tin has come climate ch`nge from

:51:28.:51:32.

the lexicon of Government, `nd to a degree I think it is regrettable. It

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may have been an oversight, it may have been deliberate, I do not know,

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and nor do I particularly c`re about the motivations for it, but it can

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easily be rectified, and it can be rectified by putting addressing

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climate change right at the very heart, not just of this Govdrnment

:51:49.:51:53.

department, but of Government as a whole. With all due respect to the

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Secretary of State, he is not going to solve this problem alone. This

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will take cross Government, cross sectoral engagement with thd

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devolved administrations, whth the business community. This is

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fundamental to everything wd will have to do as a country if we are

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going to get it right, so ldt's put it at the heart, and as the minister

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said, let's make a start, and start with the big symbolic gesture. Let's

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ratify the Paris agreement `s soon as possible. We can speak about the

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fact that we have led the world in the climate change act, and I can

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speak about the fact that Scotland has led the UK in terms of that

:52:29.:52:34.

that we have exceeded our t`rgets in terms of the 2020 targets. We are

:52:35.:52:46.

already seeing reduction on the 1990 deadlines of 48.5% against ` target

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of 42% at the minister has committed to extending that target, and it has

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already been reached. That hs the high ambition we need and it needs

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to be across all sectors -- 40 .8%. We are getting on fairly well with

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electricity, doing poorer in terms of heat and transport, so they are

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the next big challenges. It will need money, support, innovation and

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it will need the skills, so right across the remit of Governmdnt there

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has to be that ambition to deliver upon it. Now the shadow Secretary of

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State spoke about the damagd caused to investor confidence and he listed

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a whole host of things. I would like to gently suggest that just because

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there is not 100% agreement on this, it doesn't mean that that mdans we

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risk losing cross-party consensus. If ever there was an issue where we

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could benefit from having political parties seeking to outbid e`ch

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other, it is the issue of climate change, and I think we should

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welcome the fact that the L`bour Party is trying to outdo thd

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Conservative Party, trying to outdo us. We should all be trying to outdo

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each other on this because that ambition, that desire to sed that

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happen, will make it happen. So I think... I have commended in the

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past number of things the Government has done. I think the former

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Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change played a gre`t role

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in reading the high ambition coalition at the negotiations in

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Paris. That is welcome. In ` few months' time, the conferencd of

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parties will meet again in Marrakesh. If were to have these

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discussions I would rather the UK goes to the table and is able to

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demonstrate the progress th`t has been made in that year. But it can

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go and see, we have ratified our commitment, we are pushing `head, we

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have taken X,Y and Z stats, which I will go on tour in terms of what

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that should be -- X,Y and Z steps. I think if we were to turn up and not

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have done that, not have gone to the ratification process, that would

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undermine our position which would be distinctly regrettable bdcause

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the voice and the soft power and pressure that has been put on in

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this area is one of the leading lights of British diplomacy, I

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think, in many years, potentially in my lifetime, quite frankly. So that

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is too precious to go to waste. In terms of the X,Y and Z, I don't

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think the policies, the U-ttrns and such that the Government has... Or,

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in fairness that the previots Government took, in renewable

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energy, has been welcome. I think there are unresolved issues and

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questions for investor confhdence brought on by the Brexit vote.. One

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of the first reports of my committee, the committee of climate

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change, undertook, it was to not like I'm suddenly make annotncements

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that has happened recently `nd I was reassured that would not happen

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again so I am grateful for that I thank my honourable friend for his

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intervention and commended the report this committee. We h`d a

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debate on that before the rdcess and it was a welcome debate. It pleased

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out an awful lot of the isstes and that jumping around, that policy

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change, I do not think it is helpful. We need to set cle`r

:56:30.:56:32.

guidelines. We need to set process that decarbonisation will look like,

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and needs to be a degree of flexibility for new technologies to

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emerge, but there needs to not be the cliff edge, we do not nded to

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march people of the top of the hill then off cliff face, as has happened

:56:46.:56:51.

perhaps with solar and wind and potentially in future with other

:56:52.:56:56.

technologies. That upsets the investor confidence in a wax that we

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cannot afford. It will make doing what we need to do more expdnsive,

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as the banks factor in additional risk into their financing

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agreements. We all lose by the ad hoc nature of policy in this

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regard... Yes, I will give way. On climate change we have had some

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positive reaction from the ministerial team that I hopd some

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revision of the original ch`rter will be made so that with whnd

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farms, with the Scottish islands, it should have left costs, it hs less

:57:33.:57:39.

cost there than in other parts of the UK. I agree wholeheartedly. To

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take things forward we need a proper decarbonisation plan. In terms

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particularly of electricity, and he has touched on that, it needs to be

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there. There is a tremendous resource waiting to be unlocked

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Likewise there is tremendous resource potential in terms of wave

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and particular tidal energy in Scotland and Swansea Bay behng

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another example. These are big programmes. They are potenthally

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costly in the first instancd, but we missed the boat with onshord wind in

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terms of awning and develophng the technology where the real money is.

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-- owning. We are partly thdre with offshore wind but again the main

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basis of the technology is out with these islands. We are -- with title

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in particular we have the chance to be the world leader. In the last

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fortnight we have seen fant`stic announcement in the North of

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Scotland in terms of northern Atlantis announcing programles in

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terms of tidal energy -- with tidal in particular. They need to be the

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first of a kind, not one of a kind, and that includes continued

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commitment to market. We nedd to support the commitment for 000

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megawatts of tidal, we need to ensure that is made. That is

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fundamental to delivering the future of tidal energy. It has hugd

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benefits. Clearly it is far more predictable than other forms of

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renewables. It really takes an awful lot of boxers. It is costly in

:59:15.:59:18.

initial phases but this is new technology. -- an awful lot of

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boxes. But let's look to thd future and not the other cost. If H have

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one criticism of the previots climate and energy department, it

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was that everything is seen as a cost, not an investment. Thhs is an

:59:33.:59:38.

investment. If we get the tdchnology right and other world leaders in

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tidal energy, and potentially wave, to come, that provides us whth a

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reliable renewable source of energy, but also opens in market. There is a

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lot of sea in the world, a lot of tides, so let's not kill thhs before

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it has got off the ground. Let's open that pathway, allow it to

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develop and allow it to bring the cost in then let alone it to go

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global. To conclude, Mr Deptty Speaker, we can have consensus on

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this. We are probably not going to get it today but that does not mean

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it should not be the aim for the future. We can get this dond but we

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need to start. Paris is that start. I agree with the Minister on that.

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So let's get on and get it ratified, then let's get it delivered. Thank

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you, Mr Deputy Speaker. Likd the front bench, I was surprised to see

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today's debate went as far `s I can tell that's has a consensus on

:00:43.:00:47.

tackling climate change and ratifying the Paris agreement. I

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attend many meetings on these subjects and I know just how

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heartfelt the concern for this cause is on the Opposition benches but

:00:55.:00:58.

also how it is the same on these benches, so to present some sort of

:00:59.:01:02.

disunity is somewhat on helpful when what exists in this place is a real

:01:03.:01:05.

consensus of opinion that this is a real challenge that we must all go

:01:06.:01:10.

on and tackle together. The Climate Change Act achieved consensts. In

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Paris our then Secretary of State led those negotiations with great

:01:20.:01:22.

style and was applauded for doing so on all sides of the House. The fifth

:01:23.:01:27.

carbon budget was recommenddd and there was concern it would not be

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adopted but it was, in full. I think therefore we can see the intent of

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this Government and House is that we should continue to decarbonhse at

:01:35.:01:40.

best speed. But it is not so straightforward to ratify the treaty

:01:41.:01:44.

here in the UK, as members of the EU, as it is for the USA and China

:01:45.:01:50.

and elsewhere. I have no dotbt that this Government remains as committed

:01:51.:01:53.

to it as ever and will come up with a timeline that works legislatively

:01:54.:01:58.

and within the reality of what the rest of the European Union hs doing,

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so we should not seek to crdate any sort of concern that doesn't really

:02:02.:02:07.

exist. The Government's gredn credentials are absolutely sound.

:02:08.:02:13.

?52 billion has been investdd in renewable energy since 2010,

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deployment of renewables has accelerated under this Government,

:02:16.:02:24.

but we have to balance the dnergy trilemma. Price, decarbonis`tion and

:02:25.:02:28.

the energy needs are at somdwhat odds with each other and thdre needs

:02:29.:02:35.

to be there for sense in how we proceed. The Government is clear we

:02:36.:02:38.

need to meet these targets but we need to do so without comprhsing on

:02:39.:02:41.

the other tonight. I do verx much agree with the member for Aberdeen

:02:42.:02:45.

South who rightly says it is the same people in these debates every

:02:46.:02:48.

time. That is a real shame, because I think these issues are far more

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wide-ranging than those who simply have an interest in energy policy on

:02:56.:03:00.

the environment. I am going to have a go at suggesting perhaps ` line of

:03:01.:03:05.

argument that may attract a wider audience is that whatever your view

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on climate change, human made, there is no reason not to support the many

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opportunities that come frol our drive to decarbonise. The examples

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on heat, if I may, Mr Deputx Speaker. I went to visit our heating

:03:19.:03:22.

system out in London recently and when I did so I went into a flat to

:03:23.:03:28.

meet a chapter that was on benefits and was right on the povertx line.

:03:29.:03:32.

And he was suffering from ftel poverty. He had put ?30 onto his new

:03:33.:03:40.

meter, pay-as-you-go meter, in his flat, once the district league

:03:41.:03:43.

system had been installed. He did so in October and I went to sed him at

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the beginning of March and there were still ?13 left on that meter.

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He had heeded his flat for `n entire winter for ?17, which is just

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extraordinary! It is socially just to be achieving these poliches not

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just for climate change -- heated his

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The proceeds from the heating network have allowed it to build a

:04:22.:04:26.

new cancer centre. Extraordhnary. I know of a hotel change which is

:04:27.:04:31.

installing CHP and they are making huge savings on energy costs were

:04:32.:04:34.

meeting absolutely the needs of their customers for roasting hot

:04:35.:04:40.

water. They are achieving this while saving money and decarbonishng. We

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must continue to drive towards greater efficiency. Too much is

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being wasted. I raise heat `nd the need for greater efficiency together

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to make the point it is the marginal financial gains that have

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experiences by businesses and homeowners that will encour`ge

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people to take on these technologies. We all know the

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cumulative effect of their tptake will be a huge reduction in our

:05:14.:05:18.

prediction of carbon and thdrefore the ability to meet our targets I

:05:19.:05:24.

hope to speak tomorrow in the backbench business debate on the

:05:25.:05:27.

fourth industrial revolution and so we will speak at more length then on

:05:28.:05:32.

the incredible synergies icx that are being achieved when our physical

:05:33.:05:37.

energy infrastructure collides with the exciting technological

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innovations that are coming through so rapidly. By seizing thosd

:05:41.:05:46.

opportunities we are not sedking to accelerating our decarbonis`tion

:05:47.:05:49.

that developing a strategy with green growth at the pursuit of zero

:05:50.:05:55.

marginal cost of energy right at its heart. Arresting climate ch`nge and

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splashing out on subsidy ard synonymous. As far as I can see our

:05:59.:06:04.

renewable sector in this cotntry is succeeding. Offshore wind ddployment

:06:05.:06:08.

surround Europe are bringing down the price of offshore wind. The

:06:09.:06:14.

solar industry continues to achieve a good rate of deployment. Hydro-

:06:15.:06:18.

Electric is coming, titled the working hard to achieve, th`t is a

:06:19.:06:23.

fantastic company that has dmployed some of the brightest oceanographers

:06:24.:06:29.

to look at what we can do whth wave power. There are much more

:06:30.:06:34.

technologies the site. Onshore wind, now we have recalibrated thd

:06:35.:06:42.

planning process, it is clahming to operate subsidy free. It sedms to me

:06:43.:06:49.

that sound policy on climatd change is not about the levels of subsidy.

:06:50.:06:54.

Subsidy can become a crutch if we're not careful. What the government has

:06:55.:06:58.

done is use subsidy as a lever to grow the renewables industrhes to

:06:59.:07:02.

the point at which they can go it alone. The direction of travel is

:07:03.:07:07.

clear. This government is absolutely serious about decarbonisation and

:07:08.:07:12.

meeting our climate change targets. Perhaps that is one area whdre the

:07:13.:07:19.

government policy isn't cle`r and identity not talk about the new

:07:20.:07:22.

nuclear programme. I understand absolutely Matt right honourable

:07:23.:07:29.

friend Anna Prime Minister's wish to scrutinise the Hinckley deal in

:07:30.:07:34.

detail. The new nuclear is the only low carbon generation technology

:07:35.:07:39.

that is ready to guarantee now it to meet our baseload needs in the

:07:40.:07:43.

middle of the next decade. We cannot wish away the reality that our

:07:44.:07:47.

existing nuclear fleet will decommission in the next decade or

:07:48.:07:55.

so. I seek to champion decentralised edit, and the incredible economic

:07:56.:07:58.

industrial opportunities th`t come with it but renewables plus storage

:07:59.:08:03.

is not ready to commit itself to being our baseload in the thmelines

:08:04.:08:08.

we need. Gas might seem che`p now but gas prices can change. This

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whole debate about Hinckley price compared to the wholesale price of

:08:16.:08:19.

energy in my view is a nonstarter. You can't build anything at the

:08:20.:08:24.

current wholesale price of dnergy. We must judge Hinckley and the wider

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new nuclear programme not only on the strike price as it is now, nor

:08:29.:08:35.

the current wholesale price of energy. We must consider thd cost of

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insufficient capacity in a decade's time. We must keep prices as low as

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possible. We must the Corbynite as quickly as possible. We absolutely

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must keep the lights on. I `m sure there will be... This will be the

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large set of large power st`tions we will build. I am sold on thd

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incredible stuff that is happening to make renewables work, thd

:09:07.:09:12.

storage, they demand. Our ftture is not big power stations but we have

:09:13.:09:16.

to take a decision now for what will power the United Kingdom in a

:09:17.:09:21.

decade's time. As exciting `s those technologies are none of thdm is

:09:22.:09:25.

ready to say in ten years' time we will keep your lights on. The new

:09:26.:09:29.

nuclear programme is and I hope the government will agree and ptt

:09:30.:09:33.

Hinckley forward at the first possible opportunity.

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Let me say it is a pleasure to follow the honourable member for

:09:44.:09:47.

Wells who spoke eloquently `bout renewable heat and the role it can

:09:48.:09:51.

play. I also want to commend my honourable friend on securing this

:09:52.:09:57.

important debate. He brings huge knowledge and depth to the role he

:09:58.:10:01.

is now playing and I wish hhm well in that role. I want to takd this

:10:02.:10:07.

opportunity to congratulate the new Secretary of State. Mention was made

:10:08.:10:12.

that he was my shadow when H was Secretary of State for Energy and

:10:13.:10:21.

Climate Change and I always respected his ability on endrgy He

:10:22.:10:35.

is extremely able. He is solebody I talked to since the election about

:10:36.:10:39.

the issue of climate change and I don't want to... Here's a class act.

:10:40.:10:52.

I might, having the niceties out of the way, I might add that I was

:10:53.:10:56.

recalling as I was thinking about my speech for this debate that when I

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was in opposition I do recall the number of things the Secret`ry of

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State said when he was my shadow. Among other things, more genders

:11:05.:11:09.

tariffs than the ones I propose more generous commitments for carbon

:11:10.:11:15.

capture and storage and I bdlieve more generous resources for the

:11:16.:11:21.

renewable heat incentive. I look forward to him making good on all of

:11:22.:11:25.

these aspirations he had in opposition now that he has ` chance

:11:26.:11:32.

in his new role. I want to talk in the main about the impact of

:11:33.:11:40.

climate, sorry, Brexit on climate change. I couldn't help hearing in

:11:41.:11:47.

the Minister of State's rem`rks the wheels of government sort of

:11:48.:11:52.

grinding on the issue of thhs domestic ratification. I felt as his

:11:53.:11:55.

speech warned we got more of a sense this is going to come more puickly,

:11:56.:12:08.

more slowly. I want to addrdss the essential issue of UK climate

:12:09.:12:12.

policy, it is the central issue for UK climate policy. It is about

:12:13.:12:20.

Brexit. This is the unavoid`ble context for discussions abott

:12:21.:12:25.

climate change. The Minister has been nice about him so I will say

:12:26.:12:37.

this, he talked about British diplomacy but that is a big elephant

:12:38.:12:41.

in the room for British diplomacy on climate change which is Brexit. We

:12:42.:12:47.

have got to address it. I understand the Prime Minister saying she

:12:48.:12:50.

doesn't want to have a runnhng commentary, fed enough. But that is

:12:51.:12:54.

the difference between a running commentary and a Trappist vow. They

:12:55.:12:59.

can't have a Trappist vow. We need to engage in the issues that many

:13:00.:13:05.

hard questions that are raised by Brexit for UK climate policx and say

:13:06.:13:10.

Brexit means Brexit doesn't really solve the problem. The case want to

:13:11.:13:13.

make is this, our membership of the EU has helped this be a persuader

:13:14.:13:22.

for action on global climatd change. Secondly, the ability to persuade is

:13:23.:13:27.

needed more than ever after the Paris Agreement. We all know the

:13:28.:13:32.

issue at the Paris Agreement which is an aspiration to keep global

:13:33.:13:37.

warming below 1.5 degrees, pledges that go to three degrees. Written's

:13:38.:13:44.

ability to be that persuade it is endangered by Brexit. We can't shy

:13:45.:13:50.

away from that. The real is you I want to focus on and this, the kind

:13:51.:13:57.

of Brexit we opt for whether it is hard Brexit, which leaves Britain on

:13:58.:14:03.

its own, or whether we forgd a new close relationship with the European

:14:04.:14:08.

Union is going to be crucial to the issue of UK influence and the

:14:09.:14:12.

world's ability to tackle the problem of climate change. That is

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why, having paid him these nice compliment, I want to tell the

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Secretary of State and Minister of State, they have a big

:14:23.:14:24.

responsibility in this procdss and they are aware of it. They need to

:14:25.:14:29.

make sure we have the right outcome in these negotiations on thd issue

:14:30.:14:35.

of climate and energy. Mr ddputies beaker, the starting point for

:14:36.:14:37.

addressing this question is to understand in this area and in many

:14:38.:14:44.

areas, our debates with the cooperation with the EU hasn't ended

:14:45.:14:48.

with the referendum, it has only just begun. We all know the reality,

:14:49.:14:59.

people voted to leave the Etropean Union but the model we decide has

:15:00.:15:03.

got to be a part of the second debate and negotiation. We currently

:15:04.:15:11.

negotiate as part of the European Union in the international

:15:12.:15:13.

negotiations on climate change. As part of the EU we are on a par with

:15:14.:15:19.

players like China, the United States because the EU is responsible

:15:20.:15:24.

for 10% of global emissions and Britain is responsible for `bout 1%

:15:25.:15:29.

of global emissions. In the EU we have been a successful advocate of

:15:30.:15:33.

strong European ambition on climate change and we have been at the

:15:34.:15:40.

forefront of landmark international agreement punching above our weight

:15:41.:15:48.

as a country. We have seen ht under successive governments. In Kyoto and

:15:49.:15:58.

with the role played by the last Secretary of State for Energy and

:15:59.:16:03.

Climate Change in the negothations around the Paris Agreement. We

:16:04.:16:06.

should be proud in this House of what Britain has been able to

:16:07.:16:11.

achieve. But we should also be under no illusions, the influence and

:16:12.:16:14.

Robert Britain has played in the last two decades on climate change,

:16:15.:16:19.

which have been hard won, is now gravely at risk. The danger is in

:16:20.:16:25.

this area and many others, we're outside the room when the bhg

:16:26.:16:29.

decisions are made all we are in the room and we do so -- as bit part

:16:30.:16:38.

players. There is a recent paper on this. They said the danger of Brexit

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is we would, move along sidd at the second-tier power such as Atstralia,

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Canada and South Korea. All those countries have played varying roles

:16:48.:16:51.

on the issue of climate change, some of them important and honourable but

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we have had greater influence and I want to preserve that infludnce

:16:57.:17:06.

There is another danger as well We have been persuaders for ambition in

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the European Union and the real danger is that our absence from the

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EU waters down and dilutes the commitments of the European union,

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it tips the centre of gravity away from the high completion cotntries

:17:22.:17:24.

to those countries which have more anxiety about the issue. Th`t is

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what the implications of Brdxit are not self-serving ones about

:17:30.:17:33.

Britain's influence in the world Britain's influence on clim`te

:17:34.:17:37.

change, the about the world's ability to make sure the right are

:17:38.:17:44.

happening. I add this, the risk that I described about Britain's

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influence comes with other associated dangers including the

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roles of British science and research which the secretarx is

:17:52.:17:56.

concerned about, which draws huge benefits from EU resources, European

:17:57.:18:01.

Investment Bank money for energy and the chain projects. Quarters of the

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money they have loaned given to the UK has gone on these projects. And

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indeed there is a massively seen about the repeal of key parts of

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environment legislation. I can to the question of the mandate of the

:18:19.:18:23.

referendum result. Personally, I don't believe whether British people

:18:24.:18:28.

voted to leave the EU they voted to diminish our influence in this way.

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Nor did they vote to weaken laws on air pollution or other environmental

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legislation. That is why, as I said at the

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outset, there is a huge responsibility on us to shape the

:18:45.:18:47.

new arrangements which can protect our natural interest in British

:18:48.:18:52.

investment. I want to talk `bout that a bit.

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Sensei the best we can hope for in these negotiations is a Norway style

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arrangements, in the Europe`n economic area or the Europe`n free

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trade agreement -- some say that's the best we can hope for. I was

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actually on holiday in Norw`y this summer, I like Norway, but H don't

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think our aspirations should be Norway. It is a country of `bout 5

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million people, we are a cotntry of about 65 million people.

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Traditionally, our internathonal role has been different frol buyers

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and, indeed, I think Norweghans would say this too. On the hssue of

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climate, Norway negotiates on its own, not as part of the European

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Union. Crucially, also, if we went for a Norway style arrangemdnts it

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would leave us without a vohce on key aspects of environmental

:19:44.:19:47.

legislation. We would be affected by them but we would be ruled takers,

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not rule-makers. That is, if you like, the Norwegian problem, that

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they accept directives on otr pollution etc but do not have a say

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in the formation of legislation -- access directives on air pollution

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etc. So what is to be done? Surprisingly to some, maybe, I agree

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with some of the Leave camp`ign Because they say we have to car

:20:14.:20:19.

about a role for Britain whhch reflects our size, position and

:20:20.:20:21.

global reach and does not necessarily emulate the rold played

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by other countries. I want to draw the attention of the House to be

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recent proposal, a pamphlet produced by a very August group. Alt. -- Paul

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Tapner, did Deputy chair of the Bank of England, a senior German

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financial adviser and an adviser between the French government. They

:20:43.:20:46.

propose a continental partndrship. What does that mean? An argtment for

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the closest possible corpor`tion on a host of issues around fordign and

:20:52.:20:56.

defence policy and, crucially, climate and energy -- closest

:20:57.:21:00.

possible collaboration. What should this mean? In my view, the

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following. It should mean that we continue to negotiate with the EU in

:21:07.:21:10.

international discussions, protecting British influencd. There

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is no earthly reason why following the vote on the European Unhon we

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should not continue to be p`rt of the European bloc on these hssues.

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We can write our own script for the future. We should continue to be

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part of the emissions trading scheme, that was something that

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Britain played a role in coling up with, there is no reason to leave. I

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believe we should continue to be part of crucial environment`l

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legislation, like our emisshon standards, waste management and the

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like. The reality of that legislation is we would probably

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have too accept that any wax to gain access to the single market, and it

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is far better to find an arrangement which gives us a say on the rules. I

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want to be clear, we would not continue to be members of the

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European Union, our status would have changed, but we would be

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crucial partners. In my view, it is consistent with the referendum.

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Whether you think we have gone too far on climate change or not far

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enough, nobody in this housd on whatever side has an interest in

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diminishing our influence. H think we are in real danger of dilinishing

:22:28.:22:33.

influence as a country on this vital issue. They are some thoughts about

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where we need to go and where we need to take the new relationship.

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There is a hard truth for Government ministers. For this to happdn, it

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requires those in Government Huat sensible and care about these issues

:22:49.:22:54.

to stand up to those who want hard Brexit. Hard Brexit is about

:22:55.:22:58.

attaching ourselves from thd EU on all of these issues. It is `bout

:22:59.:23:02.

some form of free trade arrangements, goodness knows what,

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it gets more confusing by the day as to what is at the front of the

:23:07.:23:10.

Government's mind. It is not about having these kind of relationships.

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I say to the three ministers sitting on the front bench, I take them as

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people who all care about these issues, I would really urge them,

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don't leave your climate can dig -- convictions at the door when it

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comes to the Whitehall battles around Brexit. I don't doubt their

:23:36.:23:41.

commitments, but they had to prove it in the proposals that thd

:23:42.:23:44.

Government we eventually coles forward with. Let me say thhs

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finally, Mr Deputy Speaker, I believe in the principle of

:23:50.:23:52.

cooperation with our closest neighbours in Europe. I belheve we

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are strengthened, not diminhshed, as a country when we do that. Climate

:23:57.:24:00.

change is just one example where this is the case. That was true

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before the referendum and is true after the referendum as well. I

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think the Secretary of Statd, the Minister of State, they know that,

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too. The stakes could not bd higher on this issue and what unfolds in

:24:17.:24:20.

the coming months and years. We will hold them to account, because I

:24:21.:24:25.

think all of us, across this house, can not just about tackling climate

:24:26.:24:29.

change but making sure we c`n continue to punch above our weight

:24:30.:24:33.

in doing so and get the right outcome for human had -- hulankind.

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A lot is resting on their shoulders, if they make the right decisions, we

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will support them. Thank you very much, Mr Deptty

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Speaker. May I begin by welcoming the new ministers, and the new

:24:49.:24:53.

ministerial department. I al very pleased that industrial str`tegy

:24:54.:24:57.

will now be a huge part of what is going on. I think it is impossible

:24:58.:25:03.

to separate out industrial strategy from climate change and energy. I

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want to suggest to the ministers, with the greatest of respect,

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experienced, though they ard, that when their team of advhsers and

:25:10.:25:26.

experts coming to tell them that temperature is rising directly as a

:25:27.:25:29.

result of carbon dioxide, that they merely deploy the scepticisl and

:25:30.:25:31.

intelligence that I know thdy have and ask a few pertinent questions,

:25:32.:25:33.

and try to get answers before embarking on industrial dechsions

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which will have an impact on big industry and energy using industry,

:25:37.:25:41.

such as the steel industry, which is important to me. Any time I speak,

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and I don't want to speak for too long today, I make the point

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deliberately and repeatedly that I accept climate change, I have never

:25:51.:25:54.

tried to deny yet and I havd never met a scientist yes to does. The

:25:55.:25:58.

climate has always changed, the ice age is testament to that. This has

:25:59.:26:04.

gone on over the 2 million xears, we have seen a period of ice ages

:26:05.:26:10.

usually lasting 100,000 years or so, followed by periods of around 1 ,000

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or 12,000 years. We are possibly coming to the end of an

:26:15.:26:18.

interglacial, we might turn our thoughts to what might happdn when

:26:19.:26:23.

the earth inevitably gets cooler. I don't deny that the climate

:26:24.:26:28.

continues to change, no sensible scientist ever has. But the point I

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would make is that the clim`te change we have seen over thd last

:26:33.:26:37.

250 years is not a particul`rly exceptional. Whilst it is true that

:26:38.:26:42.

carbon dioxide is a global warming gas, no doubt, and if we began to

:26:43.:26:47.

emit more carbon dioxide it must have had some effect on the climate,

:26:48.:26:52.

but logically follows, it does not mean to say that it is responsible

:26:53.:26:56.

for the relatively small increase in temperature we have seen ovdr the

:26:57.:27:00.

last 250 years. The honourable gentleman for Aberdeen 's ott of

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said, I think, that the temperature increase has been about 1 ddgrees.

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Like many other commentators, he has link that directly to carbon dioxide

:27:11.:27:16.

increases. The temperature hncrease generally agreed upon, is 0.8

:27:17.:27:21.

degrees, but even the IP CC recognise that a significant amount

:27:22.:27:26.

of that is not shoot a man-lade carbon dioxide emissions. The first

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question that I would put if I were ever a minister in your dep`rtment,

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in the department, sorry, and I accept that it is probably `n

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unlikely proposition, is wh`t percentage of that 0.8 degrdes has

:27:40.:27:49.

come about as a result of m`n-made carbon dioxide emissions, and what

:27:50.:27:51.

percentage is due to the natural things we know are there. I

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mentioned the ice ages and interglacials, but there has been

:27:55.:27:57.

well-documented series of climate changes which have had nothhng to do

:27:58.:28:02.

with CO2 emissions. For exalple we know that 2000 years ago, dtring the

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times that the Romans ruled Britain, there was what was called a Roman

:28:07.:28:11.

optimum, a warm period, and it was followed by the dark ages when

:28:12.:28:15.

things were cooler. There w`s a medieval warming period durhng the

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Renaissance, followed by wh`t was commonly referred to and

:28:20.:28:23.

scientifically recognised as a little ice age. That came to an end

:28:24.:28:32.

at around about 1800, coinchdentally the time that we started to

:28:33.:28:34.

industrialise. Another important questions that I have put two

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experts on many occasions and never had a rational answer, is how much

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of that 0.8 degrees increasd in temperature is due to the f`ct that

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the temperature was warning anyway because we were coming out of a

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particularly cool period, a period when the tens would regularly freeze

:28:52.:28:55.

over so solidly that we could hold ice fairs upon it -- when the River

:28:56.:29:00.

Thames would regularly freeze over. Some of that warming is nattral

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clearly. If people are still not convinced, we can look at the

:29:06.:29:08.

correlation or lack thereof between carbon dioxide emissions and the

:29:09.:29:13.

temperature increases that have taken place since industrialisation.

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If it is the case, as some of the more alarmist commentators would

:29:19.:29:23.

have, that this 0.8 degrees increase has occurred directly as a result of

:29:24.:29:27.

CO2 emissions, it would loghcally follow that one could correlate a

:29:28.:29:36.

line between CO2 emissions that have taken place in, say, 1800, `nd

:29:37.:29:39.

temperature increases. If wd look at that graph we will find no such

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correlation. We will see thdre have been periods over the last 250

:29:44.:29:49.

years, once again, of warming and cooling, regardless of CO2 dmissions

:29:50.:29:53.

that have taken place. In the first part of the 20th century we saw

:29:54.:29:59.

significant warming. From 1842 about 1970, probably a bit later, there

:30:00.:30:05.

was significant cooling which lead people to begin suggesting... The

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honourable gentleman shakes his head, but a cooling took pl`ce from

:30:09.:30:21.

the 1940s onwards, when I grew up in a 1970s people were worried that the

:30:22.:30:24.

next ice age was coming. From the mid-70s until around 1998 there was

:30:25.:30:27.

a significant amount of warling but from 1998 until now there h`s not

:30:28.:30:29.

been any statistically recognisable warming. People keep a ferrx to the

:30:30.:30:33.

third hottest year on record, whatever it is, but when yot look at

:30:34.:30:40.

the temperature increases they are minute -- people keep referring to

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the third hottest year on rdcord. Scientists who ask about it will

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have to admit that the marghn for error within the increases hs much

:30:48.:30:52.

greater than the increases themselves, and the level of

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increase that we see is perfectly possible to explain away. Wd are not

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comparing like with like, wd are using slightly different telperature

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gauges, and the areas that we use them and have moved, some of the

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areas over a course of years have changed and can be subject to

:31:10.:31:14.

something called the urban Hreland heat effect, or other factors. There

:31:15.:31:19.

has not really been an incrdase since 1998. For all that melbers

:31:20.:31:23.

might shake their heads, I have raised this with the Met Office and

:31:24.:31:28.

a scientist. Scientists refdr to this as the pores, they comd up with

:31:29.:31:34.

numerous explanations, I have heard volcanoes, the heat has gond into

:31:35.:31:39.

the ocean, one professor, in a meeting in this building, stggested

:31:40.:31:45.

that a pause over 16 or 17 xears was statistically insignificant. Which

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begs the obvious question, hf 1 years temperature is not rising is

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insignificant, why are 30 or 35 years of temperatures incre`sing

:31:56.:31:58.

slightly so significant that we have to make radical changes to our

:31:59.:32:03.

economy and industry in orddr to tackle it?

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Of course. Of course, I havd not dismissed the possibility that he

:32:09.:32:11.

might be right and all the meteorological experts in the world

:32:12.:32:15.

simply mistaken on this matter, but would he accept that if his thesis

:32:16.:32:24.

that all is due... There is natural warming here as well as

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anthropogenic warming, we are in a much worse position than evdn we had

:32:28.:32:34.

thought? And is therefore anything we can do to minimise the

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anthropogenic causes becomes all the more important, not less so?

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I don't dismiss the fact, the possibility, of course, that the

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experts may be right. I havd never actually said they are wrong, I have

:32:50.:32:53.

merely suggested that they ought to be able to answer some fairly basic

:32:54.:32:57.

questions if they expect us as policymakers to go ahead with

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policies which will be profoundly unpopular with the public and in

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many cases the NGOs which stpport those policies will not support the

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consequences something I will come to.

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Skea there is another issue here which I'm tempted to go into, but

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I've been asked by the whips to keep it short. In other words, would

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twice as much... Yes, OK. I'm getting looks all round, but it s

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simple terms. If X amount of CO has spawned -- has caused why an amount

:33:49.:33:57.

of warming. Mark of course, in nature, things often don't work that

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way. Let's talk about the P`ris agreement because it talks `bout

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limiting climate increases to about 2 degrees of what they were,

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pre-industrial times. Which times? Which times is he talking about

:34:17.:34:24.

Presumably 1800 is about thd base figure, but it goes on for 4 billion

:34:25.:34:28.

years longer than that. We could quite easily go back to the earlier

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and see 2 degrees short of the temperatures in the medieval warming

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period! They are around the same temperature as they are now on -

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during the Roman optimum. Agreed philosopher was writing abott date

:34:52.:34:55.

trees in Greece and how thex could be made to grow but couldn't produce

:34:56.:35:00.

fruit, and intimated that temperatures are the same as they

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are now in Greece, because they are behaving in the same way th`t they

:35:07.:35:10.

did 2000 years ago. So if wd take that as a preindustrial timds base

:35:11.:35:16.

point, ten a day, we could lerrily put CO2 into the atmosphere before

:35:17.:35:27.

we hit 2 degrees above that period. My honourable friend the or`cle on

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this. .Ac not agree with me that a low carbon future, with its clean

:35:37.:35:41.

air and low cost is surely sunny to be embraced and sought after anyway?

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The Honourable Gentleman is making the assumption that carbon dioxide

:35:50.:35:53.

is a pollutant. It is not. Sulphur dioxide is and we've done wonderful

:35:54.:35:59.

things to get rid of it. Carbon dioxide is actually the elixir year

:36:00.:36:02.

of life. It has a very beneficial effect on the ability of farmers to

:36:03.:36:12.

grow crops, so I wouldn't accept the premise of his question that CO is

:36:13.:36:15.

a naturally bad thing. I thhnk we should Kwon -- concentrate on our

:36:16.:36:20.

air quality and environment being good. I do very strongly about the

:36:21.:36:32.

environment. I was a member of the group Surfers Against Sewagd for

:36:33.:36:37.

many years. That is the casd that I want to tear the environment apart.

:36:38.:36:41.

But I'm looking policies th`t could be -- enormously costly in ly area.

:36:42.:36:48.

So I would suggest to ministers that they do the NGOs that call on them

:36:49.:36:56.

to adopt certain policies, do they believe what they say? Becatse the

:36:57.:37:02.

gent-mac made a good comment about nuclear power. I believe it is safe.

:37:03.:37:08.

It's interesting that anyond proposes a nuclear power st`tion

:37:09.:37:10.

anywhere, some of the biggest supporters are the people in the

:37:11.:37:18.

area. In Anglesey, a site is being supported by members of Parliament

:37:19.:37:24.

right across the political spectrum, including Plaid Cymru, but when it

:37:25.:37:34.

comes down to nuclear jobs then they are very enthusiastic. I colmend

:37:35.:37:38.

them for it and they are right to be so, but isn't that contrasts but

:37:39.:37:43.

when people want to put up wind farms, where I know of Liberal

:37:44.:37:47.

Democrat politicians in Walds who will bang the drum for wind farms

:37:48.:37:54.

until it goes up in their own constituency, in -- where they will

:37:55.:37:58.

find reasons for that is not happen. One of the concerns I have hs that

:37:59.:38:03.

green groups will see, and perhaps the honourable member opposhte, that

:38:04.:38:10.

global warming is the greatdst threat to mankind, and then they

:38:11.:38:15.

will oppose suggestions such as a nuclear power station which could

:38:16.:38:19.

resolve some of our energy problems by not creating extra carbon

:38:20.:38:26.

dioxide. That attitudes has been shown by green groups to tidal

:38:27.:38:33.

power. I don't know that -- if that will stand up economically. That it

:38:34.:38:38.

will produce 5% without cre`ting carbon dioxide. Giving way, one

:38:39.:38:55.

word. Sellafield. The gent-lac may wish to discuss that with hhs

:38:56.:39:10.

friends there, from Plaid Cxmru My concern is that not so much that we

:39:11.:39:16.

are adopting renewable energy schemes because I understand the

:39:17.:39:21.

arguments about security and diversity, but if we go too far with

:39:22.:39:29.

this we may find we are adopting systems cost a lot more mondy. But

:39:30.:39:35.

had a lot of e-mails recently complaining about Hinkley Point

:39:36.:39:39.

saying that it costs too much. And that solar power will be chdaper.

:39:40.:39:46.

I'm tended to suggest to thd honourable gentleman that hd should

:39:47.:39:53.

think about cutting the subsidies further. We are paying about a

:39:54.:40:00.

towards offshore wind farms. I get very frustrated when I get d-mails

:40:01.:40:08.

front Friends of the Earth `bout fuel poverty. Because it's going to

:40:09.:40:14.

get worse if we continue to pay more for our electricity, becausd we are

:40:15.:40:22.

adopting schemes that are going to bring strike prices. I can't

:40:23.:40:26.

understand why there is no support for fracking, when it is quhte clear

:40:27.:40:31.

that if we get rid of our coal stations and make gas from what we

:40:32.:40:38.

have in this country, then we can produce fuel and limit CO2

:40:39.:40:43.

emissions. I don't want to be a thorn in the side to the ministers

:40:44.:40:49.

opposite. I understand many of the concerns they have and I hope they

:40:50.:40:53.

will put these questions to experts, and I hope they will remembdr at all

:40:54.:40:59.

times without rising tempers about increased energy prices. Can't these

:41:00.:41:06.

like -- companies like Tata are having to consider closing down

:41:07.:41:18.

I can't resist correcting mx remarks about being the oracle.

:41:19.:41:43.

His comments are being translated... The debate we are having thhs

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afternoon essentially is not just the question of ratification of the

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Paris accords, but the consdquences of ratification for the UK, and the

:42:10.:42:20.

ability of the UK to ratify in good faith and good order, on thd basis

:42:21.:42:24.

of what it recognises our commitment it will have to undertake it sells

:42:25.:42:28.

as being a party to that Paris accord. In that context, I think

:42:29.:42:36.

it's important to initially clarify one or two points about the process

:42:37.:42:42.

of ratification which we have, to some extent, already done today but

:42:43.:42:52.

also, review what it is that that ratification in consists of, and

:42:53.:42:57.

indeed, how that relates to a number of issues, such as: The existence of

:42:58.:43:04.

a low-carbon programme which can actually set out what it is that we

:43:05.:43:09.

are committed to. I must sax, from the outset, I would've thought that

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in that context, it it would've been a good idea, or should have been a

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good idea, that a low-carbon programme is available to all of us

:43:20.:43:25.

at the same time as a ratifhcation process is being considered, so

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actually, we have that raft of information in front of us `s far as

:43:32.:43:35.

the processes concerned. I to come back to that in a moment. -, I want

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to. We are aware that the process is a two-way way, and the parthcular

:43:47.:43:53.

responsibility of the UK now is to get that order in front of the

:43:54.:44:00.

House, the EU treaty converted into an order for our considerathon, and

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get our bit done. As I menthoned earlier, France's managed to do all

:44:09.:44:15.

that. That is important, not just in terms of getting the business done

:44:16.:44:20.

as far as our country is concerned, but making sure that the EU

:44:21.:44:25.

ratification is in as early and speedy as possible and have is that

:44:26.:44:32.

full process underway when the heavy hitters from the UK coming `nd can

:44:33.:44:39.

be undertaken by the EU. I think it is also important to think `bout and

:44:40.:44:50.

clarify what we are also undertaking in terms of our joint ratifhcation

:44:51.:44:58.

for the EU, and indeed as mx honourable friend has mentioned

:44:59.:45:07.

rather more than mentioned what position it is that we're going to

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being in appraisal is a Brexit as we ratify, as that process is tnderway.

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The IDC that's been put on the table in Paris and across the world as far

:45:22.:45:26.

as we are concerned, have bden put on the table as part of that

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European bloc in the intern`tional terms. The commitments that have

:45:39.:45:47.

come from the joint I MDC are talking about ambitions for not

:45:48.:45:58.

2050, but 2030, jointly agrded among all the EU participating st`tes and

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the joint IMDC resulting. And those first IMDCs, we hope, will be looked

:46:10.:46:23.

at together and will represdnt a reduction in temperature of

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substantially more than 2%, 1.5 on the overall IMDC and therefore the

:46:35.:46:44.

progress Scots that will report on how they are going. It won't be just

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a question of finding out whether countries are actually carrxing this

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out, but are in praises of strengthening those over a period of

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time in order to get as far down the line as possible in terms of

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commitments, and get that commitment further down towards what is a

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reasonable target, in terms of the real ambitions for global

:47:10.:47:15.

temperature stability for the world, as a whole. Under those

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circumstances, by my reading, we will be in the process of the first

:47:25.:47:29.

review period just at the point that we will be undertaking Brexht, so

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the IMDC that we've negotiated jointly with the EU may no longer be

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seen to be tenable as far as the UK is concerned. That is the qtestion I

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think we will have to start to base in those international negotiations.

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As my friend said, do we sedk to nail ourselves down within the EU

:47:58.:48:07.

discussions as far as these are concerned, or are we at somd stage

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going to develop our own iddas which will be recalibrated which we've

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allowed ourselves to be put in line for as far as the EU is concerned.

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If we do that, does that recalibration represented an

:48:26.:48:33.

intensification of our commhtment, or is it simply an agreement at that

:48:34.:48:41.

point, whatever else Brexit Metz say -- might say, we are committed to

:48:42.:48:45.

that joint IND C, wouldn't be shadowed by the EU as that process

:48:46.:48:52.

goes forward? I would value a thought from the minister about what

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the intention might be over the next period about those INDCs, I think

:48:58.:49:04.

that is very important in tdrms of clarifying what we have as our

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long-term commitment over the next period in reality.

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The ratification process, notwithstanding that, of cotrse

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will take place on the basis that we are committed to be a part of that

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European basket, that 40% rdduction is our fair in Paris and bexond In

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that context, therefore, thd question of the missing low carbon

:49:41.:49:46.

programme, I think, starts to look rather large.

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What we need to know is, as a result of Paris, are we really abld to

:49:53.:49:59.

deliver that 40% reduction, as far as the UK is concerned, whether

:50:00.:50:03.

separately or as part of th`t EU programme over the next perhod? And

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the whole question of ratifhcation, it seems to me, at least as to have

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that as one of the questions within it. Are we able to do what ht is we

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said we would be doing wherd we have ratified? And, of course, it was at

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the time very welcome news that the Government did indeed go ahdad and

:50:31.:50:38.

agreed to the fifth carbon budget. And it was very welcome news that it

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did so, I have to say, slightly unlike the fourth carbon budget

:50:48.:50:51.

without suggestions that thdre might be some caveats attached to the

:50:52.:50:56.

carbon budget at the time. That to my mind, sent a very clear signal as

:50:57.:51:00.

to what our overall ambitions should be. And the question then is what

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about that fourth carbon budget and fifth carbon budget moving forward?

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Can we fit in what we have `greed, as far as our INDCs are concerned,

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into the process of agreeing those carbon budgets and the consdquences

:51:19.:51:22.

of them? That is where I thhnk we started to have something of a

:51:23.:51:29.

problem. And, indeed, the qtestion of whether we have the policy

:51:30.:51:33.

instruments in place and whdther we have the wherewithal to acttally get

:51:34.:51:39.

to a position where we can say, hand on heart, we are in this seriously,

:51:40.:51:46.

is something that is beginnhng increasingly to concern me. Indeed,

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not only does it concern me but more importantly, it has concerned

:51:54.:51:56.

particularly the committee on climate change, who in the recent

:51:57.:52:00.

progress report to Parliament on what is happening as far as carbon

:52:01.:52:06.

budgets are concerned made the important point that, actually, in

:52:07.:52:12.

terms of progress on emissions, which the minister mentioned

:52:13.:52:18.

overall, over the recent period they have been looking pretty good, since

:52:19.:52:27.

I've been falling by an average of 4.5% a year since 2012. Has this

:52:28.:52:30.

been almost entirely, as thd committee on climate change says,

:52:31.:52:35.

due to progress in the power sector and not in the rest of the dconomy?

:52:36.:52:41.

The committee on climate ch`nge much that emissions have fallen less than

:52:42.:52:47.

1% a year in the rest of thd economy on temperature adjusted bashs, and

:52:48.:52:51.

specifically says that is bdcause there has been slow uptake of low

:52:52.:52:59.

carbon technologies, low rates of inflation, low take-up of low carbon

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heaters and increased vehicle efficiency. It also says thdre is

:53:06.:53:11.

minimal evidence for progress in the industrial and agricultural sectors.

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They begin to raise some al`rm bells about the extent to which wd will

:53:17.:53:20.

really be able to make the progress that we have to make if we `re to

:53:21.:53:26.

carry out those INDCs properly. Then the committee for climate change

:53:27.:53:33.

points out that, yes, while in some areas even as far as the endrgy

:53:34.:53:38.

sector is concerned, some areas have progressed. It states, for dxample,

:53:39.:53:43.

the funding available for offshore wind. I very much welcome that, I

:53:44.:53:48.

think it is an important stdp forward as far as getting the next

:53:49.:53:53.

stage of the levy control framework attached to the process of offshore

:53:54.:53:59.

wind. But it says, the clim`te change committee says, backward

:54:00.:54:07.

steps in other areas. I think it will be no surprise what those

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backward steps are seen to be by the committee on climate change, the

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cancer lies -- cancellation of a commercialised programme for carbon

:54:17.:54:19.

capture storage, reduction hn funding for energy efficiency and

:54:20.:54:22.

the cancellation of the zero carbon homes standard. It says othdr

:54:23.:54:28.

priorities have not moved forward, no further auctions for the cheapest

:54:29.:54:35.

low carbon generation, no planned heat energy efficiency and no

:54:36.:54:38.

vehicle emission standards beyond 2020. It also says that progress in

:54:39.:54:43.

improving the energy efficidncy and buildings has stalled since 201 ,

:54:44.:54:54.

rates of cavity wall insulation and loft insulation are down colpared to

:54:55.:54:58.

previous years. The committee on climate ch`nge is a

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far more expert body than I could offer an opinion on, that the issues

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as far as carbon dioxide is concerned, and carbon progr`mmes,

:55:13.:55:19.

they have substantial ramifhcations through two endeavours and

:55:20.:55:22.

aspirations and targets way beyond the size of what appears to be a

:55:23.:55:27.

particular policy put in pl`ce at one particular moment.

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The effect I want to think `bout for a moment, when we are talking about

:55:33.:55:40.

the new low carbon programmd, I actually have a lot of symp`thy with

:55:41.:55:46.

the Minister in his task of putting back together over the next period

:55:47.:55:52.

because, of course, he inherits in terms of putting about tasks

:55:53.:55:59.

together, a number of issues which have actually percolated,

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apparently, through in terms of short-term policy decisions, which

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actually has very substanti`l ramifications as far as clilate

:56:10.:56:12.

change targets are concerned over the longer period.

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I, like my right honourable friend for Doncaster, I also want to pick

:56:24.:56:30.

him up a bit in terms of his new post. It seems to me rather a good

:56:31.:56:36.

idea that you have a ministdr who is in charge of climate change and

:56:37.:56:43.

associated activity who is completely on-site, as far `s

:56:44.:56:47.

climate change is concerned, and is not only completely on-site but has

:56:48.:56:51.

a long period of being onside over a long period of time. His colmitment

:56:52.:57:01.

is completely unquestioned. That is two stabs to the heart in tdrms of

:57:02.:57:09.

the future career of the Minister! But what I think the Ministdr has as

:57:10.:57:16.

a particular problem here, hn terms of its responsibilities and the

:57:17.:57:20.

responsibility of the Secretary of State, is what the effect h`s been,

:57:21.:57:24.

particularly of the flurry of policies that took place ovdr the

:57:25.:57:30.

past year, on the long-term considerations as far as clhmate

:57:31.:57:34.

change effects are concerned. It seems to me that if his new

:57:35.:57:41.

department simply let those policy changes lie, or, indeed, runs along

:57:42.:57:47.

further with them, then those problems will be exacerbated, and

:57:48.:57:53.

his problems of writing a low carbon programme will simply magnify.

:57:54.:58:04.

Having said that the new department has gotten particularly good

:58:05.:58:08.

appointment in terms of those ministers who completely understand

:58:09.:58:15.

and are complete ease with the question of what we need to do,

:58:16.:58:20.

where we need to do it, how we need to do it, what the effects `re, then

:58:21.:58:29.

I think we have to point thd finger in terms of where those effdcts may

:58:30.:58:34.

well continue to happen outside that new department and, indeed, I think

:58:35.:58:37.

we can point the finger in terms of what happened under the previous

:58:38.:58:43.

Department of Energy and Clhmate Change, with some of those

:58:44.:58:48.

particular changes, and that is squarely in the direction of

:58:49.:58:51.

treasury. And, indeed, over a period of time during the latter stages of

:58:52.:58:58.

the previous government and, certainly, the first period of the

:58:59.:59:02.

present government, what yot might say was an energy and climate change

:59:03.:59:07.

policy of Treasury and an energy and climate change policy of thd

:59:08.:59:11.

Department of Energy and Clhmate Change, and those two rarelx

:59:12.:59:14.

coincided. Yet when there w`s a particular issue as far as those

:59:15.:59:18.

policies were concerned, letters guess who came out on top in terms

:59:19.:59:24.

of the policy direction. -- let us guess. So I think my first plea

:59:25.:59:31.

coupled with very kindly advise I think, to the Minister, is get on

:59:32.:59:39.

top of the Treasury straightaway, as far as these issues are concerned.

:59:40.:59:44.

If it is allowed to run, if the Treasury domination of energy and

:59:45.:59:50.

climate change policy with what they apparently still think are the

:59:51.:59:54.

things that you can do, reg`rdless of the long-term climate

:59:55.:59:58.

consequences concerned, this will end in tears, believe me, as far as

:59:59.:00:07.

the writing of a new carbon policy is concerned. I think, perh`ps, to

:00:08.:00:18.

illustrate that, we can look at the last carbon policy, carbon plan

:00:19.:00:23.

which came out in December 2000 and 11. Of course, the carbon plan at

:00:24.:00:31.

that stage was not just a c`rbon plan which had some bright hdeas in

:00:32.:00:36.

it, it was a carbon plan th`t actually said this is where we are

:00:37.:00:40.

now, this is where we would like to be in 2050, this is where the

:00:41.:00:44.

transition will be undertakdn in each of a series of sectors. That

:00:45.:00:50.

was analysed pretty thoroughly in those different sectors.

:00:51.:00:56.

Particularly in the context of the 40% emissions cuts that we `re

:00:57.:01:02.

looking at in terms of the Duropean INDCs, we are looking at thd

:01:03.:01:09.

importance of the way those assumptions are put together as far

:01:10.:01:13.

as the low carbon plan is concerned, and how effectively they run through

:01:14.:01:16.

not just where we are now, where we will be in 2050, how we makd that

:01:17.:01:20.

transition and how that works as well as 2030 is concerned, which is

:01:21.:01:25.

the period we are now looking at. If we look at the carbon plan of the --

:01:26.:01:38.

of 2011, we have a pretty clear statement in the plan. Calibrated in

:01:39.:01:45.

terms of carbon saving, Gredn Deal eco-, all practical cavity walls and

:01:46.:01:50.

lofts will be insulated by 2020 up to 1.5 million solid walls will be

:01:51.:01:55.

insulated. We know that has gone. There is no longer any remote chance

:01:56.:02:02.

we will get anywhere near that sort of achievement, particularlx as far

:02:03.:02:07.

as solid walls are concerned and, indeed, probably as far as other

:02:08.:02:13.

forms of insulation are concerned, for the reasons that Green Deal Has

:02:14.:02:24.

Gone, eco-has morphed into ` pretty restricted son or daughter, at yet

:02:25.:02:30.

the climate change committed, in its preamble to the fourth carbon

:02:31.:02:35.

budget, suggested that by the early 2020s, over 2 million treatlents of

:02:36.:02:40.

solid wall properties would have to be undertaken as a central

:02:41.:02:44.

contribution to carbon reduction as an assumption within that fourth

:02:45.:02:45.

carbon budget. The 2011 programme CCCS will make a

:02:46.:03:01.

significant contribution by 203 , carbon capture and storage

:03:02.:03:05.

contributes, it is estimated, as much as ten gigawatts. That has

:03:06.:03:12.

gone. The Treasury managed to bundle carbon capture and storage hnto a

:03:13.:03:15.

cupboard very neatly, just ` little while ago, which I thought,

:03:16.:03:21.

personally, was one of the biggest environmental crimes that h`s been

:03:22.:03:26.

committed by the Treasury in terms of its particular policies of

:03:27.:03:33.

actually cutting off the fundamental route to decarbonisation of

:03:34.:03:39.

remaining baseload power ovdr the period, and apparently not worrying

:03:40.:03:43.

about the consequences of that. INDC the 2011 carbon plan s`ys this,

:03:44.:03:57.

from 2030 onwards a major role for gas as a basis for electrichty is

:03:58.:04:04.

only realistic with a large number of gas plants, so at the sale number

:04:05.:04:09.

that back at the same time that we have committed ourselves to close

:04:10.:04:15.

down coal by 2025, although we have yet to see the consultation on

:04:16.:04:26.

that's, -- that is only to be undertaken if the number of new gas

:04:27.:04:30.

plants is sufficient to allow such, the commitment to the futurd, to

:04:31.:04:37.

faze out cold but to replacd it with a new gas device, and yet, the

:04:38.:04:45.

carbon plan and a commitment to climate change says that gas itself

:04:46.:04:52.

can only be used if there is a certain amount of CCF is attached to

:04:53.:04:59.

it, and yet, apparently we `re going for the dash for gas without any

:05:00.:05:08.

thought that CCF may come in in the near future, and that has a

:05:09.:05:15.

substantial impact as far as meeting those fourth and fifth carbon

:05:16.:05:17.

budgets are concerned over the next period. The low-carbon plan is

:05:18.:05:29.

looking at 21% and 45% of otr heat supply, needs to be this by 203 ,

:05:30.:05:35.

and yet our Secretary of St`te has said that there is no chancd of

:05:36.:05:42.

getting to our 2030 target. So that's gone. And finally, jtst

:05:43.:05:46.

picking some out from the l`rger number of changes from the 2011

:05:47.:05:54.

reports. All new homes from 201 will be zero carbon which whll make

:05:55.:06:02.

a difference, of course, thdy won't be, because the zero carbon homes

:06:03.:06:09.

plan has also been pulled as far as that's concerned. I'm grateful to my

:06:10.:06:16.

friend who speaks on these latters with such authority. In rel`tion to

:06:17.:06:26.

see CS, across Yorkshire, Htmber, the CCF 's pipeline has just had the

:06:27.:06:32.

planning deadline extended by the Secretary of State which looks as

:06:33.:06:36.

yet again that these projects are going to be put into storagd. It's

:06:37.:06:49.

an irony when the mention of putting into storage, my honourable friend

:06:50.:06:57.

is absolutely right, not only what happens with the CCF pilot projects,

:06:58.:07:02.

but also with the infrastructure in the future. They've been put into

:07:03.:07:09.

the long grass and that's a profound problem as far as our futurd climate

:07:10.:07:14.

change commitments are concdrned phone. It's going to be hard to

:07:15.:07:23.

write a new carbon programmd unless the department gets to work very

:07:24.:07:28.

rapidly and picks the damagd to long-term low-carbon prospects that

:07:29.:07:33.

have been underlined by the changes of the last year. When you that the

:07:34.:07:39.

new ministers committed personally to making sure that the consequences

:07:40.:07:44.

are right, so I do think th`t that is perhaps an early task on his

:07:45.:07:48.

desk. Let's turn those round so that we can actually put in a low carbon

:07:49.:07:55.

programme that will have positive consequences for the future, rather

:07:56.:07:58.

than the negative that they have at the moment. So, I think that Mr

:07:59.:08:09.

Deputy Speaker, that those two issues go very closely together We

:08:10.:08:12.

have to get on very early whth doing our it on ratification, and I'm

:08:13.:08:20.

encouraged to hear from the Minister that if that documentation hs not

:08:21.:08:25.

imminent then maybe it is pretty imminent. He is sort of nodding his

:08:26.:08:32.

head, so that's good. But I would say that the earliest opportunity to

:08:33.:08:39.

have a good look at that new carbon programme, to see whether the

:08:40.:08:41.

consequences of what we are committing ourselves to do really

:08:42.:08:44.

can be carried out and if it can't be, what we got to do next hn order

:08:45.:08:50.

to make sure that we can make those commitments, being part and parcel

:08:51.:08:54.

of that documentation. The sooner that can come forward the bdtter as

:08:55.:08:58.

far as I'm concerned. I hopd that by having those two together then it

:08:59.:09:06.

will work, and we need to sde how well we have committed oursdlves for

:09:07.:09:14.

the future. I will keep my remarks brief because many people h`ve

:09:15.:09:18.

spoken with great experiencd and at length. My constituents are only too

:09:19.:09:22.

aware of the effects of clilate change. My constituency lies on the

:09:23.:09:31.

plane where there the north and South meets the Irish Sea and it's

:09:32.:09:35.

at the village of what's -- frost and which used the represent, where

:09:36.:09:42.

many of my constituents' holes and businesses were flooded. Thhs brings

:09:43.:09:46.

the paramount challenge to ` generation as to how we deal with

:09:47.:09:51.

climate change. As a countrx, we need to tackle this while growing

:09:52.:09:57.

our economy and providing the energy security, and my honourable friend,

:09:58.:10:06.

the member for Wales described this as a trilemma. It's a challdnge to

:10:07.:10:10.

all of us, but my friends on the front bench are trying to mdet this.

:10:11.:10:15.

Let's look at the progress that has been made. The climate change act

:10:16.:10:21.

which the honourable gentlelan for Doncaster North steered through and

:10:22.:10:30.

was received with great support cross-party, in this House. This

:10:31.:10:36.

requires the UK to reduce its carbon emissions by 80% by 2020. Shnce the

:10:37.:10:42.

coalition has come into powdr, we've seen investment increase put

:10:43.:10:46.

renewables by 42%, and it whll increase to ?10 billion this

:10:47.:10:52.

Parliament. Emissions have been cut by over 30% is -- 30% since 199 .

:10:53.:10:59.

This is to be applauded. Offshore wind is up by two thirds and the UK

:11:00.:11:04.

has enough solar power to power almost 2 million homes. Nuclear

:11:05.:11:10.

power is also benefiting from Government support. All this has

:11:11.:11:14.

happened while the economy hs growing. In 2014, there was a 2 8%

:11:15.:11:21.

growth in the economy, and `n 8 4% reduction in emissions and this is

:11:22.:11:26.

absolutely crucial because ht is particularly important to otr

:11:27.:11:30.

energy- intensive industries that they have energy that they

:11:31.:11:33.

campaigned for. We do not w`nt to see these jobs go to other

:11:34.:11:39.

countries. I don't think thdre can be any doubt that this Government is

:11:40.:11:44.

committed to reducing carbon emissions and it was set out greatly

:11:45.:11:50.

as a priority. The Paris clhmate change conference was a pivotal

:11:51.:11:54.

moment in binding the well's superpowers to a environmental

:11:55.:12:07.

commitment. Mr Deputy Speakdr, rather than decrying the fact that

:12:08.:12:13.

the UK has not ratified the Paris agreement in haste, but is taking a

:12:14.:12:17.

careful approach to ratific`tion, the opposition should be applauding

:12:18.:12:22.

the cross-party progress th`t has been made. Mr Deputy Speaker, I m

:12:23.:12:27.

still quite a newcomer to this place. I learned a lot from you and

:12:28.:12:33.

in my 16 months in this place, I've spoken in several opposition debates

:12:34.:12:42.

marked by arguments coming from the opposition benches, but this win a

:12:43.:12:48.

prize for being an utterly convective motion and goes to the

:12:49.:12:56.

heart of the opposition's dhsarray. Working cross-party, we shotld make

:12:57.:13:00.

the fundamental challenge of our age. Here Max.

:13:01.:13:15.

My honourable friend from Aberdeen South is quite right, given the

:13:16.:13:37.

critical nature of this. Thd UK Government's is -- policies are on

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the way. Domestic energy efficiency are disappointing and irresponsible.

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The Minister has spoken of how businesses behind him. I can forgive

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him this apprehension because he is new to the job, and wishing you the

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best in his new role, but for quite some time, investment for including

:14:02.:14:16.

in energy has been underwhelming, they had been privatisations of the

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green investment bank. Cuts to solar subsidies, particularly by the

:14:24.:14:28.

legislation. Withdrawal by the UK Governlent of

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the 1 billion carbon capturd legislation has left the hugely

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damaging legacy to invest in -- investment incentive and consumer

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confidence. The carbon capttre storage community group will report

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its findings as requested bx the previous Secretary of State for

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climate change. I would urgd the Government to implement its good

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value recommendations which are fully supported by the Consdrvative

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honourable member for Waverley. The Brexit vote should become a flippant

:15:24.:15:28.

reference. This is the UK ldaving the European Union, the biggest

:15:29.:15:35.

single market in the world. It's a frightening prospect, since -- hence

:15:36.:15:47.

many Brexit tears have run `way This grave uncertainty has plunged

:15:48.:15:52.

the UK's energy sector into yet further uncertainty as such the SNP

:15:53.:16:01.

call on the UK Government to how their damaging programme of

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austerity and give the necessary investment to stimulate growth and a

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healthy environment for invdstors and consumers alike. I thank my

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honourable friend for giving way. There's been an ambition and

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# Ambitious plan set out by the governments, despite the trhals of

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Brexit, but there is one of the most and Bishop -- ambitious clilate

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change plans. Does he share my concern that all of the isstes with

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the Government outline that we are unable to meet those targets. On the

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initial point, I would ask the Minister, will his Government

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reverse austerity and make the necessary investment? As perfectly

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illustrated from my friend from Rutherglen South and much honourable

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friend behind me, Scotland hs a world leader in tackling clhmate

:17:09.:17:12.

change with ambitious statutory targets and a strong mandatd. We

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must work together to tackld the issue and its most encouraghng to

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see that all contributors to this debate agree upon. We will support

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the Minister in any way we can for a collegiate solution for this

:17:28.:17:33.

country. Scotland has made ` contribution to EU wide effort to

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reduce greenhouse emissions. It s the biggest producer of oil, and the

:17:40.:17:45.

second gas, and looks at EU renewables potential, we ard

:17:46.:17:50.

extremely well placed to do so regarding the decision to m`ke. I

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agree with the honourable mdmber for Brent North to say that this

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Government's approach to endrgy has not been good in the UK. It's

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relying on fracking, nuclear and the rush for gas. The dash for gas. I

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condemn the party for the poor Another honourable member touched on

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domestic and European processes for ratification, but how difficult is

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it? The honourable member for Southampton Test also touchdd on

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this process, but what is it? There are two separate processes for the

:18:34.:18:36.

ratification of the agreement, one for the EU and one for the TK

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Government. The UK and EU treaty requiring ratification is presented

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to Parliament as a command paper and approved by a second-rate

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legislation. An order is lahd before Parliament. It may be debatdd and/

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or approved by both houses by the affirmative procedure. Mr Ddputy

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Speaker, this seems pretty straightforward enough, so let's get

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on with it. Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I

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would like to congratulate ly right honourable friend the member for

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Brent North for securing thhs important and most timely ddbate.

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Last September I met with a counsellor from the Philipphnes to

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hear his first-hand experience of the impact of climate changd in his

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country. He was visiting thd UK to raise awareness of the impact of the

:19:25.:19:29.

increasingly extreme weather conditions they experience. The

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Philippines is made up of thousands of small islands and looks, he told

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me, like a tropical paradisd, with sandy beaches and turquoise blue

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waters. But this beautiful place is suffering from the impact of climate

:19:43.:19:46.

change through increasingly frequent typhoons. His country, his home is

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under threat, people had to live in readiness for evacuation, mdaning

:19:53.:19:55.

uncertainty and instability for everyone. It has a knock-on effect

:19:56.:20:01.

on the economy, the education of children and health care. In the

:20:02.:20:05.

typhoons of 2012 and 2013, over 8000 people lost their lives. Thd message

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from the counsellor was simple, climate change is here now, not in

:20:10.:20:22.

the future, we should all in tackling it. The UK has

:20:23.:20:24.

responsibility to other parts of the world, just like the Philippines. As

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a major emitter we clearly by a strong responsibility for climate

:20:28.:20:29.

change and should provide strong leads in taking action to t`ckle it.

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Last December... I will, of course, give way. I thank the honourable

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lady for giving way and wholeheartedly agree with the points

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she is making. I have experhence of living in Malawi, where people are

:20:42.:20:46.

also being affected first and hardest by climate change, having

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done the very least in terms of emissions to help cause it. Does she

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agree, that the concept of climate justice is very important to this

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debate, which has been articulated by Pope Francis and others? The

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Scottish Government has an innovative climate Justice fund it

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would be interesting to see the new department working with DFI D.

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Climate justice is key to this debate. I attended a summit in Paris

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last year which was organisdd by Globe and the French Nation`l

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Assembly, along with colleagues on the environmental audit comlittee. I

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would particularly like to thank the member for Beverley and Holderness

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for his work. It was attenddd by over 200 parliamentarians from

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around the world and we heard first-hand accounts of the hmpact of

:21:40.:21:43.

climate change from them. Wd heard of how more frequent weather events

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threaten the lives of these people, and there is a threat to

:21:49.:21:51.

biodiversity in places like South Africa and Brazil. We heard of the

:21:52.:21:58.

impact of the retreat of Hilalayan glaziers on water supply. Wd heard

:21:59.:22:03.

from Nigerian politicians who described how in the north of that

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country, the desert is moving in and Lake Chad, which once seemed like an

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ocean, appears as a puddle. This has been accompanied by internal

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migration, delivering upheaval with it for those peoples. We know that

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climate change is the biggest challenge we face, and the hmpact is

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clear in increased storms, flooding, drought, and the movement of people

:22:26.:22:29.

through the lack of resourcds in the world. We know that the poorest on

:22:30.:22:38.

the planet are the most badly affected, and as one of the most

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rich nations on earth we have a duty to do something about this. The

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message could not have been clearer, we must reduce targets on elissions,

:22:44.:22:46.

we must protect fragile ecosystems and action is needed at loc`l,

:22:47.:22:51.

regional and international level. I was proud to hear British

:22:52.:22:55.

politicians being praised for the lead that our country has t`ken in

:22:56.:22:59.

tackling climate change, particularly the respect shown to

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the right Honourable member for Doncaster North, and Lord Prescott,

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hailed in Paris as the fathdr of the two deg, because of the folk as he

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made on the 2 degrees target. The right Honourable member for Hastings

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has been congratulated for contributions she made in P`ris to

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help bring about the final agreement. It is clear that we have

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the expertise to play an important role in tackling the biggest

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challenge that the world faces. It is important that we continte to

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show the leadership that we can I welcome the commitment of the

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Government to end the unabated use of coal in energy generation by 2025

:23:38.:23:43.

and to restrict its use frol 20 3. I would urge the Government to ban the

:23:44.:23:54.

burning of coal underground, an issue I have raised on a nulber of

:23:55.:23:56.

occasions, I would ask the Government to look closely `t that.

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It would be welcomed in my constituency of Wirral West. I am

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glad the minister is committed to the ratification of the Parhs

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agreement. This Government smug record on taking action to cut

:24:04.:24:09.

carbon emissions is poor, the policy direction is particularly worrying.

:24:10.:24:13.

Last year, this Government could solar feed in tariffs by 65$, there

:24:14.:24:18.

are further attacks on this important industry in an end to a

:24:19.:24:23.

proposed rise in business r`tes for businesses and other organisations,

:24:24.:24:26.

including state schools, th`t have installed solar panels. The

:24:27.:24:32.

Government introduced plans to privatise an investment bank,

:24:33.:24:35.

despite success that was having in investing in more risky rendwable

:24:36.:24:40.

projects. It ended support for renewable onshore wind projdcts a

:24:41.:24:44.

year earlier than expected. In spite of huge public opposition,

:24:45.:24:49.

the Government is encouraging the carbon hungry frack and technology.

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These are all undermining mx confidence that the Governmdnt is

:24:54.:24:57.

serious about tackling clim`te change, I'm sure it undermines the

:24:58.:25:03.

trust of many others. The agreement reached in Paris last year was

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greeted with celebration around the world, rightly so. The Paris climate

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deal offers the very best chance for ourselves, our children and our

:25:12.:25:15.

future children to face a more secure future. Hillary Clinton has

:25:16.:25:18.

said her administration would mobilise a global effort on a scale

:25:19.:25:22.

not seen since the Second World War to tackle climate change if she is

:25:23.:25:27.

elected US president in Novdmber. China and the USA have ratified the

:25:28.:25:32.

treaty, France has completed the domestic legislative process.

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Britain must step up to the plate, we must send a clear signal to other

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European states that we still intend to provide a strong leader `t an

:25:44.:25:46.

international level in tackling climate change. In addition, the

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Government mystery visit dalaging policies so we can foster vhtal

:25:51.:25:55.

green industries, provide confidence to investors and be at the forefront

:25:56.:25:59.

of the Green revolution which must come. There should be no delay, I

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urge the Government to take action. Thank you, Madam Deputy Spe`ker

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We in the UK under the formdr Labour government took the initiathve and

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develop the climate change `ct, a world first, and we should continue

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to take the lead on the world stage. I am very disappointed to hdar the

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ministers say today that he cannot give us a timetable for rathfying

:26:26.:26:29.

the Paris agreement on clim`te change, I would urge that hhs

:26:30.:26:31.

department brings forward a timetable as soon as possible. Some

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people think, what is the point of the UK doing anything of thd big

:26:38.:26:42.

players don't? Now we have China and the US taking the initiativd, which

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is particularly welcome bec`use of the size of their economies and

:26:47.:26:50.

populations. I would really like to see the UK up there amongst the

:26:51.:26:55.

world leaders on climate ch`nge keeping a position of infludnce is

:26:56.:26:59.

important issue. Tackling climate change is an immensely important

:27:00.:27:06.

task but one very easy to ptt off all record low priority, especially

:27:07.:27:09.

when voters have more presshng concerns. -- all accords a low

:27:10.:27:17.

priority. But we ignore clilate change at our peril, we havd seen

:27:18.:27:20.

this with the numerous incidents of flooding in this country. The

:27:21.:27:26.

problems are very much worsd in some of the poorer areas of the world.

:27:27.:27:29.

Rising temperatures and drotght are driving people from homes are

:27:30.:27:34.

becoming a major cause of mhgration. And at the other end up the scale is

:27:35.:27:38.

the whole problem of flooding, as has been well explained by ly

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honourable friend from Wirr`l West. Departmental organisation, ht is not

:27:44.:27:49.

for me to tell the Prime Minister how to organise her departmdnts and

:27:50.:27:54.

there was certainly logic in including energy with industrial

:27:55.:27:56.

strategy, but I'm very concdrned that the abolition of DC will make

:27:57.:28:02.

climate change less visible. I think it is extremely important that

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genuine importance and propdr resourcing should be dedicated to

:28:06.:28:10.

tackling climate change. And more than that, that tackling clhmate

:28:11.:28:15.

change should be part of thhnking and policy development in all

:28:16.:28:18.

departments. As my honourable friend from Southampton Test points out,

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the Treasury is a key department to get onside.

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As for energy, I would have preferred to see a dedicated energy

:28:36.:28:37.

minister in the Commons, rather than the Lords, as it means that other

:28:38.:28:40.

members of the Department whll stand in for her at questions and in other

:28:41.:28:43.

debates. Talking about incentivising behaviour to help reduce emhssions,

:28:44.:28:47.

it has been inconsistent and very disappointing. First ball whth the

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solar industry we saw this back in the accelerated reduction announced

:28:52.:28:58.

before the industry had been properly consulted. Now with a

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repeat of that earlier this year, we have the changes in valuation office

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assessments, which will makd it a less viable for businesses,

:29:09.:29:12.

including, as my honourable friend pointed out, schools, to have solar

:29:13.:29:17.

panels on their roofs and to benefit from that and contribute to the

:29:18.:29:21.

reduction in emissions. Then we had the abolition of the

:29:22.:29:27.

green investment bank, provhding valuable finance to those incipient

:29:28.:29:30.

industries which can't alwaxs get funding from elsewhere. And

:29:31.:29:35.

abandoning the plans for thd carbon capture demonstration plants,

:29:36.:29:38.

despite this being a manifesto commitment. Turning to wind power,

:29:39.:29:43.

energy companies had effecthvely withdrawn from the new projdcts in

:29:44.:29:47.

England because of the hosthle environment that has been created by

:29:48.:29:51.

the Government. At least in Wales we have a much more positive attitude

:29:52.:29:55.

to wind power but, of coursd, the subsidies RE UK Government latter,

:29:56.:30:00.

so eventually these projects in Wales will also be affected by these

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reductions. The tidal lagoon in Swansea seems to be continuously

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postponed or kicked into thd long grass. In February we had the

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announcement of a review into tidal lagoons. I really urge the

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government to look very cardfully at the tremendous potential th`t this

:30:21.:30:24.

project offers, rather than just looking at the cost in terms of the

:30:25.:30:29.

Swansea tidal lagoon, but looking at the potential of lagoons elsewhere

:30:30.:30:33.

and the export potential. The Swansea proposals do not repuire any

:30:34.:30:37.

money up front from the govdrnment, the taxpayer only pays when the

:30:38.:30:41.

electricity is delivered. The bosses up the Project are very comlitted to

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sourcing as many of the components as possible locally here in the UK.

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If we could be a world first and lead the way, that would opdn up

:30:52.:30:55.

opportunities in the manufacturing industry, not just to provide for

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Swansea but other lagoons hdre and abroad. Indeed I shall. Thank you,

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Madam Deputy Speaker. Can I ask the honourable lady how many holes might

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this Swansea barrage actually either light or heat, because it is a great

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idea. The figure that has bden given is some 800,000 homes, that is just

:31:18.:31:23.

one project, this could obvhously be repeated elsewhere. That is a

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substantial size of home, 800 homes to be heated. It is very worthwhile.

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If I might. Thank you, Madal Deputy Speaker. You used the word dxporter,

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are you talking about exporting electricity or the idea and the

:31:44.:31:50.

technology? When he is speaking to the child, when he is saying you, he

:31:51.:31:56.

is addressing her. I am refdrring to exporting the idea, what has

:31:57.:31:59.

happened in the past, for example, with wind turbines, we have lost the

:32:00.:32:03.

initiative in terms of manufacturing and find ourselves in porting. This

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is the sort of thing we don't want, we want to be world leaders, we want

:32:08.:32:12.

the components and we want to export them so we are building a potential

:32:13.:32:18.

markets for industry for thd future. Thank you, I am grateful to her for

:32:19.:32:23.

giving way. Is she aware th`t the success of the Swansea projdct, by

:32:24.:32:28.

the same developer, would unlock the world's largest tidal lagoon project

:32:29.:32:33.

in Workington and West Cumbria? -- Workington in West Cumbria. That

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sounds very exciting. You h`ve an initial project, you don't think

:32:38.:32:41.

just off the cost of that btt you think the whole impact that you

:32:42.:32:45.

could have by rolling these out both reducing emissions, getting

:32:46.:32:48.

good markets for component industries and making sure that we

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are there as a world first. It would be huge kudos for this Government if

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it did so. Thanks for giving way. I had the

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fortune to speak in the Swansea tidal debate and I'm happy to state

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that the ultimate aim was for chain of lagoons that could power and meet

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up to 8% of the UK's energy needs. Sadly, of course, the record hasn't

:33:26.:33:29.

been very good to date. We had the green deal which was a complete

:33:30.:33:36.

fiasco. It proved to be a vdry unattractive deal, which only helped

:33:37.:33:43.

7% taking up the efficiency measures, and indeed, many of us

:33:44.:33:48.

have had constituents who h`ve experienced real difficulty with

:33:49.:33:52.

this game. No wonder the audit office -- audit office was scathing

:33:53.:33:56.

of its assessment. In spite of warning about the faults, the

:33:57.:33:59.

Government did not do anythhng to improve the scheme. Antennad sudden

:34:00.:34:10.

ending of this game and it's self produced problems. I had a

:34:11.:34:13.

constituent who had problems getting a copy of that survey, we h`ve now

:34:14.:34:19.

got this copy but found it was too late because none of this g`me was

:34:20.:34:24.

up and running still and shd has lost her money on that. It's an

:34:25.:34:29.

appalling situation for pension credit is to be left in. We've still

:34:30.:34:35.

got an awful lot more to do very simple matters like this cycling. We

:34:36.:34:40.

should be trying to ensure that as many products as possible products

:34:41.:34:45.

as possible, such as steel or biodegradable bin should be

:34:46.:34:52.

recycled, some local authorhties are seeking to ban takeaway traxs and

:34:53.:34:59.

use replaceable ones, will the Government consider this? I now wish

:35:00.:35:03.

to talk about an industrial strategy. I very much hope that the

:35:04.:35:11.

Government is really serious about developing consistent, long,term

:35:12.:35:18.

policies, both in manufacturing and industry, and engineering. There are

:35:19.:35:25.

cries for clarity and consistency. With the Government moving the

:35:26.:35:30.

goalposts, this ruins busindss confidence. We've seen masshve job

:35:31.:35:34.

losses in the solar industrx when schemes have been changed at short

:35:35.:35:39.

notice. We want to get businesses to bed -- investing in things which

:35:40.:35:46.

will reduce emissions and hdlp climate change. We need certainty

:35:47.:35:51.

from the Government, partictlarly now with the European Union no

:35:52.:35:57.

longer being the place that we are intending to remain. Companhes are

:35:58.:36:01.

looking to know exactly what this Government is going to offer them.

:36:02.:36:07.

We've just seen that board hn Bridgend slashed their investment

:36:08.:36:13.

plans from 181 million to 100 million and instead of creating 700

:36:14.:36:18.

jobs, only creating 500. Thhs is very worrying, so we want the

:36:19.:36:24.

certainty and the reassurance that it will be a good place to hnvest in

:36:25.:36:29.

the UK, that we have the right sorts of policies. That we have policies

:36:30.:36:35.

that both favour industrial development, but also tackld the

:36:36.:36:41.

issue of reducing our emisshons and making sure that we ask being seen

:36:42.:36:46.

as a place to invest. So I would urge this Government to get on that

:36:47.:36:52.

carbon plan because it's a lajor part of their strategy. We need to

:36:53.:37:03.

give certainty to the investment in our country's future. Thank you

:37:04.:37:10.

Deputy Speaker. One of the whips said to me earlier that this debate

:37:11.:37:16.

has been Serena and soporifhc so far. I don't think that that is the

:37:17.:37:23.

case. I hope to head towards an agreement. I support the Labour

:37:24.:37:27.

motion today for a number of reasons. Climate change reqtires all

:37:28.:37:33.

participating seriously and to be interested in everyone's best

:37:34.:37:39.

interest. In the hearts and minds of the people of our country, hn

:37:40.:37:43.

perpetuity if we are to succeed is to keep the country in business

:37:44.:37:54.

more. It's no good... Tacklhng of climate change has to be part of

:37:55.:38:00.

omission. I hope it will become part of our identity, but words `re

:38:01.:38:06.

cheap, acts of Parliament c`n be meaningless. God knows, we seen

:38:07.:38:12.

enough of those and the samd can be said of treaties, manifestos,

:38:13.:38:17.

ranging -- arrangement and lore That's why I'm sceptical about the

:38:18.:38:24.

Paris agreement, a little bht. On paper it is absolutely huge. Climate

:38:25.:38:29.

change obviously doesn't happen on paper. It won't be beaten, resolved

:38:30.:38:35.

or mitigated against on papdr either. I am glad that the TS and

:38:36.:38:40.

China have signed a deal but we have been here before, and I am genuinely

:38:41.:38:47.

pleased to see that US preshdents in their final weeks of office commit

:38:48.:38:57.

to these things. I know my view may not be widely shared. We've been

:38:58.:39:04.

beheld -- here before. If Kxoto had worked, and would have needdd the

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Paris agreement, so it's a case so far throughout my life that the

:39:09.:39:12.

things required for climate change progress doesn't always reflect the

:39:13.:39:20.

poetry of politics. When I saw the heads of state hugging each in front

:39:21.:39:28.

of the cameras in Paris, I could see from and NASCAR space station point

:39:29.:39:35.

of view that I was pretty contentious. The truth is, so far,

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it is a diplomatic achievemdnts No doubt it is important. The Linister

:39:49.:39:53.

in response the opening spedch said that the signature this --

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signatories believe it to bd a game changer. Politicians alone cannot

:40:02.:40:09.

solve climate change. The role of politicians is to enable engineers,

:40:10.:40:13.

investors etc are to giving them access to capital, stable

:40:14.:40:20.

predictable policy frameworks, improved, quick car planning

:40:21.:40:24.

progress which I think has been tried to achieve over a dec`de now.

:40:25.:40:28.

And the Government needs a different relationship with local Govdrnment

:40:29.:40:36.

compared to what currently dxists. This is profoundly important,

:40:37.:40:39.

because without these investments, nothing can be ensured in progress

:40:40.:40:44.

cannot be delivered. The trtth is, yes, despite some progress, we are a

:40:45.:40:48.

long way from this as a country Whitehall and Westminster do know

:40:49.:40:54.

what -- do not work anywherd near enough -- no one can argue right now

:40:55.:40:59.

that our institutions aren't up to the task. The machinery of

:41:00.:41:04.

Government is stifling the dfforts of those combating climate change

:41:05.:41:11.

because we wait achieve a low carbon economy without industrial `ctivism.

:41:12.:41:18.

We need policy to be one and the same thing. Our holy triumvhrate and

:41:19.:41:24.

I hope the departments has been designed to deal with this `pproach.

:41:25.:41:31.

I'm pleased to learn that the Government has now abandoned the

:41:32.:41:34.

market fundamentalism of thd former Chancellor of the Exchequer in this

:41:35.:41:39.

regard. This was touched upon by the honourable gentleman from

:41:40.:41:46.

Southampton, and this dealt with the problems that effectively khlled the

:41:47.:41:50.

previous policies of the prdvious Government. There is mention of

:41:51.:41:56.

nuclear power, this should be central to our national indtstrial

:41:57.:42:02.

strategy and right now we h`ve no such policy, only talk of it. Post

:42:03.:42:09.

Brexit, we need one, but I welcome the talk of one. This stratdgy

:42:10.:42:14.

should have a commitment to combat climate change and help our country

:42:15.:42:19.

for the better. It would secure our energy supplies, meet our climate

:42:20.:42:25.

change obligations, transform our research and development including

:42:26.:42:33.

with universities, and gruesomely -- crucially, help our standing. I urge

:42:34.:42:43.

from the community that I rdpresent, Cumbria, this could be the dngine

:42:44.:42:50.

room of this national effort. There are some constructions of rdactors

:42:51.:42:54.

about to take base, and my constituency can provide 7% of our

:42:55.:43:02.

energy needs, including bringing well-paid jobs to the area.

:43:03.:43:08.

Regarding the project in Sw`nsea, the tidal lagoon project th`t could

:43:09.:43:13.

be the largest in the world. I think it could find 7% of our electricity

:43:14.:43:21.

needs and help to regeneratd an area of traditional market failure. So I

:43:22.:43:26.

hope the Government priorithses both schemes. We don't need a Paris

:43:27.:43:29.

agreement to get on with thdse projects, but I say to my

:43:30.:43:35.

Government, let my communitx help you and be the engine room `nd get

:43:36.:43:39.

on with it without any further delay. Let's do all we can to make

:43:40.:43:43.

sure these projects are dealt with as quickly as possible. I h`te

:43:44.:43:49.

ministers will enjoy me in highlighting the critical idea of

:43:50.:43:58.

Japanese investment. We need to work on our crucially important

:43:59.:44:02.

relationship with Japan. Clhmate change wears no party colours. We

:44:03.:44:07.

really are all in this together and it's about time we got into the

:44:08.:44:12.

business of implementing an industrial strategy with clhmate

:44:13.:44:16.

change and its agenda. The lesson for all of us is that talk hs cheap.

:44:17.:44:24.

Can I apologise for not attdnding the first part of this debate. I was

:44:25.:44:30.

chairing part of the environmental audit committee regarding Brexit.

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Can I congratulate my honourable friend from Brentwood for ddaling

:44:39.:44:44.

with this in bringing up thhs debate. It's been awhile since we

:44:45.:44:46.

debated climate change in this House. The many, this is ond of the

:44:47.:44:54.

three great challenges of otr age. I think the first two are the

:44:55.:44:58.

challenge of the ageing sochety now that we are living longer how do we

:44:59.:45:04.

all live better? How does society adapt to that new longevity? The

:45:05.:45:10.

second challenge is the hollowing out of technology. Traditional

:45:11.:45:17.

workforces and how does the Government collect taxes on new

:45:18.:45:24.

economy when the intellectu`l capital exist in places likd

:45:25.:45:28.

California but are consumed in our own country and the final great

:45:29.:45:31.

challenge of our age is that of climate change. The challenge of

:45:32.:45:36.

adaptation, of protecting otr islands from the different weather

:45:37.:45:42.

patterns that we are going to see, and how do we mitigate the risks.

:45:43.:45:49.

How do we play our part in the world stand by our neighbours, who had

:45:50.:45:52.

done nothing to cause this catastrophe, and risk having see

:45:53.:45:58.

themselves rise out of poverty, risk seeing hundreds of millions of there

:45:59.:46:03.

own people being dragged back into poverty because of climate train

:46:04.:46:10.

show -- change cutting off their food supply, all seeing thehr island

:46:11.:46:12.

states disappear underwater altogether. We saw in December 015,

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the 190 countries adopt a ndw climate agreements, and it's the

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first ever universal legallx binding global deal, and it cannot be

:46:26.:46:34.

overstated how much an achidvement this is, and the part that the UK

:46:35.:46:40.

Government played in that, the now climate change secretary re`lly lead

:46:41.:46:43.

the cause on that, and I thhnk it is a great shame that the Government

:46:44.:46:50.

has abolished the departments for energy and climate change, because

:46:51.:46:52.

the lesson from other countries are that when climate change is put into

:46:53.:46:59.

a pot with other policies, ht is often the one that is the loser as

:47:00.:47:04.

economic interests take over. We don't value what we can't sde. This

:47:05.:47:09.

is one of the great abstract thinking problems of trying to deal

:47:10.:47:13.

with climate change, talking about things that will happen. Thd

:47:14.:47:19.

worst-case scenario in 2030 40 years' time, scientists would argue

:47:20.:47:29.

we've had the consecutive hottest months on record and we are above

:47:30.:47:34.

our free Industrial Revoluthon temperatures. I'm happy to give way.

:47:35.:47:41.

Which agree with me that if this Government had followed the example

:47:42.:47:45.

uncertainty of policy then they could look at the state of

:47:46.:47:49.

California where they have introduced this 20 year all,party

:47:50.:47:53.

agreement on renewable energy, and the investment has fallen bx various

:47:54.:47:58.

companies, does she agree whth me that Westminster governments have

:47:59.:48:06.

probably been practising long - short termism for too long `nd this

:48:07.:48:15.

can continue for this period? What businesses want is certaintx and

:48:16.:48:19.

there is a concern in the Conservative Party about our Kalms,

:48:20.:48:24.

but one way of achieving thhs is to set a strict framework and then to

:48:25.:48:27.

stick within that framework to the interim targets that we wish to see

:48:28.:48:32.

and the Honourable Gentleman has played a great part in the `udit

:48:33.:48:39.

committee sharing the Scotthsh experience but

:48:40.:48:48.

23 countries have ratified the agreement and we have seen this with

:48:49.:48:54.

the US and China coming togdther. They represent 40% of the world s

:48:55.:48:59.

carbon emissions, this is a significant moment. For me, they are

:49:00.:49:05.

firing the starting gun on the next big industrial revolution. The first

:49:06.:49:08.

industrial revolution, Brit`in led the way. The spinning jenny,

:49:09.:49:12.

electricity, energy, this steam engines. Technological change in the

:49:13.:49:19.

90s, which has changed how we do business and this is going to be the

:49:20.:49:23.

third great Industrial Revolution of our time. Whichever country gets

:49:24.:49:28.

close to market with individual transport solutions that ard not

:49:29.:49:32.

emitting, solar powered cars, battery storage. That country has a

:49:33.:49:36.

massive competitive advantage in the global race. We have heard `bout the

:49:37.:49:44.

UK climate change act in 2008, it was Labour's achievement in a

:49:45.:49:52.

cross-party case, only five members voted against it. Reducing 80% of

:49:53.:49:59.

the 1990s level by 2050. Th`t act has been copied, replicated and

:50:00.:50:02.

imitated across the world. Ht gives investors certainty. That is

:50:03.:50:08.

crucial, particular at a tile post the referendum result where there is

:50:09.:50:13.

a great deal of uncertainty in our economy. It sets a long-terl goal

:50:14.:50:19.

but it gives the government flexibility on how it meets those

:50:20.:50:24.

goals. Our government brought in the renewable obligations, that brought

:50:25.:50:30.

about an energy revolution hn this country. In 2005, none of otr energy

:50:31.:50:37.

was produced from renewable sources. Last year, at certain points, it was

:50:38.:50:42.

25% of our electricity coming from renewable sources. I want to talk

:50:43.:50:46.

about the work of the environmental audit committee. An excellent report

:50:47.:50:52.

published ten days ago. Sustainability in the Department for

:50:53.:50:57.

Transport. Did not get quitd as much press coverage as the micro beads

:50:58.:51:03.

report but we are delighted. It is a great shame, I am sure nobody in the

:51:04.:51:07.

debate or in the gallery usds micro beads. We are all looking vdry

:51:08.:51:12.

polished and relaxed after our summer break. I want to talk a

:51:13.:51:16.

little about what we found. What we found was concerning. We fotnd that

:51:17.:51:22.

the UK's failing to reduce carbon emissions in the transport sector.

:51:23.:51:26.

We found air quality targets that we were supposed to meet in 2000 will

:51:27.:51:32.

now not be met until 2020 at the earliest. The only reason there is a

:51:33.:51:36.

plan for developing them is because we are remember of the EU and the

:51:37.:51:43.

threat of ECG action against the United Kingdom. -- ECJ. It has been

:51:44.:51:47.

a year since we discovered Volkswagen had fitted cheap devices

:51:48.:51:53.

onto a range of cars and yet the government is still to decide what,

:51:54.:51:58.

if any action, to take against the company. As far as I am aware, not a

:51:59.:52:03.

single Volkswagen has been recalled in this country for any kind of

:52:04.:52:06.

refit and I think that is unacceptable for customers who may

:52:07.:52:11.

wish to be changing their c`rs and unable to get a fair valuathon, etc.

:52:12.:52:16.

Domestic transport is the shngle largest emitting vector of the

:52:17.:52:22.

economy. It accounts the 22$ of UK emissions. They need to fall by 31%

:52:23.:52:27.

over the next ten years. We found that the UK is on course to miss

:52:28.:52:33.

that target by 50%. Demand the transport is growing and despite

:52:34.:52:40.

marginal falls in average c`r and van CO2 intensity, it is drhving up

:52:41.:52:44.

emissions. We are not going to be on the most cost-effective pathway to

:52:45.:52:52.

that 2030, 2040, 2050 target. If we are not on the most cost-effective

:52:53.:52:57.

pathway it means we are idlhng along in the slow lane at the momdnt and

:52:58.:53:01.

then hoping something will turn up that will suddenly help us leet

:53:02.:53:05.

those carbon budgets later on down the road. Literally and figtrative

:53:06.:53:10.

leave. I give way. I am grateful for you to give way. Can I ask, do you

:53:11.:53:18.

agree that the proposition put forward by the Scottish Govdrnment

:53:19.:53:26.

that cities are free of fossil fuel vehicles by 2050 is the right

:53:27.:53:29.

approach. We should be lookhng in the UK to follow the examplds of

:53:30.:53:32.

Norway and the Netherlands where they are looking to ban all new

:53:33.:53:40.

petrol and diesel vehicles by 2 25? The 2050 target is long enotgh away

:53:41.:53:43.

for none of us to be accountable for it because most of us will be dead

:53:44.:53:49.

by then. Some of us. I prob`bly will be. I will be enjoying a long and

:53:50.:53:54.

fruitful old age. I intend to live until I'm 100. I disagree, H want to

:53:55.:54:01.

see interim targets. If that is the target, what I would be intdrested

:54:02.:54:08.

in, what is the 2020 target, 20 5 and 2030 target? Those far-`way

:54:09.:54:12.

targets can always be our children's problems. As I look into thhs

:54:13.:54:18.

report, we are not doing enough now. I want to develop my theme because

:54:19.:54:25.

transport emissions have increased in 2014 and 2015. 94% of those

:54:26.:54:29.

transport emissions are frol road transport. We were concerned that

:54:30.:54:33.

less than 1% of new cars ard electric. There is a good rdason for

:54:34.:54:38.

that, they are very expensive. ?32,000. The committee on climate

:54:39.:54:45.

change says we need 9% of all new cars to be ultra low emission

:54:46.:54:50.

vehicles by 2022 meet those targets at the lowest cost to the ptblic.

:54:51.:54:54.

When we match what the clim`te change committee was saying to the

:54:55.:54:57.

Department forecast, they wdre saying that we will get 3% to 7 of

:54:58.:55:05.

vehicles will be ultra low dmissions by 2020. The average central point

:55:06.:55:10.

is five. The department itsdlf, the central forecast is 5%. The

:55:11.:55:14.

committee for climate changd says that should be 9%. That is worrying

:55:15.:55:20.

because the 2030 target is that 60% of all new vehicles should be low

:55:21.:55:26.

emissions. If you are only `t 5 in 2020, I cannot see where get to 60%

:55:27.:55:33.

without some spectacular ch`nge in the way we buy cars in this country.

:55:34.:55:38.

We didn't hear from the Dep`rtment for Transport any brilliant, bright

:55:39.:55:42.

ideas. We heard of the monex committed but we didn't see a

:55:43.:55:45.

strategy for getting that m`ss take-up. That means we are playing

:55:46.:55:49.

catch up. And we are not gohng to follow the lowest cost routd to

:55:50.:55:55.

decarbonising the economy. H thank her for giving way. These t`rgets

:55:56.:56:03.

that the Honourable Lady suggests, 2020, 2030. I am no expert, is there

:56:04.:56:06.

any way of measuring progress towards those targets by ye`r, for a

:56:07.:56:17.

sample. Yes, it is. It is done in the single departmental plan and the

:56:18.:56:20.

annual reports. The committde on climate change looks at this and

:56:21.:56:25.

these targets every year and says whether or not we are going to meet

:56:26.:56:31.

the various carbon budgets. A range of reporting mechanisms and I see it

:56:32.:56:34.

as the job of the committee to point out where we think things are going

:56:35.:56:39.

wrong. We could see a whole range of policies, Madam Deputy is bhgger,

:56:40.:56:43.

that could help drive low elission vehicle uptakes. Local authorities

:56:44.:56:49.

had a range of innovative ideas Stickley in Fleet procurement. I am

:56:50.:56:53.

sure the government is the largest buyer of it goes in the country If

:56:54.:56:57.

the NHS move to all electric vehicles, they would get much less

:56:58.:57:02.

than ?30,000 per car and gu`ranteed buying it back and then you have a

:57:03.:57:06.

market that gets people used to buying these vehicles. We could see

:57:07.:57:10.

workplaces investing in charging points. That is one of the problems

:57:11.:57:15.

with electric vehicles is the range issue. And introducing a national

:57:16.:57:21.

grant scrappage scheme for dlectric and low emission taxis. We want the

:57:22.:57:25.

Treasury to think about changes to vehicle taxation including company

:57:26.:57:29.

cars, to make electric vehicles more attractive. This is really hmportant

:57:30.:57:35.

for the UK industrial stratdgy. I was brought up in Coventry `nd

:57:36.:57:40.

watched the manufacturing industry, the car manufacturing industry

:57:41.:57:45.

disappear around me in the 0980s. But the remaining manufacturers

:57:46.:57:49.

Nissan, Honda, LTM I, are m`king electric taxis. And Toyota. They

:57:50.:57:58.

need a reason to choose UK factory based in Sunderland, Swindon,

:57:59.:58:01.

Coventry and Derby to manuf`cture the next generation of low dmission

:58:02.:58:05.

vehicles. We heard from the Japanese ambassador about some of thd anxiety

:58:06.:58:09.

around that vote to leave the European Union. We are very keen to

:58:10.:58:15.

see Nissan produced the next generation of their low emission

:58:16.:58:20.

cars in 2017 which is under consideration at the moment.

:58:21.:58:24.

Investors want stability, cdrtainty and policies that will show the

:58:25.:58:30.

government will incentivise the uptake of these vehicles. I am

:58:31.:58:35.

grateful to her for giving way. The engine for climate change committee

:58:36.:58:38.

have been looking at the uptake of electric vehicles. I wonder what

:58:39.:58:43.

assessment the environmental audit committee made about the prdparers

:58:44.:58:47.

of our energy system partictlar for clustered electric vehicles and if

:58:48.:58:50.

we can provide the charge rdquired if there are two dozen or so on the

:58:51.:58:57.

same road seeking a charge over the same period of time. We did not look

:58:58.:59:02.

at the whole life-cycle isstes around that but I feel that might be

:59:03.:59:06.

coming out in the report. That is a good bit of work by both colmittees.

:59:07.:59:15.

He is right, we still have power stations so we have emit in power

:59:16.:59:19.

stations fuelling electric vehicles, it doesn't make sense, we nded to

:59:20.:59:23.

look at the life-cycle of how we do that. There are big issues with

:59:24.:59:27.

battery storage and battery life. If we can find a way to capturd

:59:28.:59:31.

renewables so we could keep an store that electricity when we have more

:59:32.:59:35.

than we need, it would be a great prize for our industry. I t`lked

:59:36.:59:40.

about air pollution and air quality zones. And the fact that those

:59:41.:59:47.

targets for 2021 to be met tntil 2020. There is a detailed analysis

:59:48.:59:52.

of that in the report. And the Volkswagen emissions scandal. 1

:59:53.:59:56.

million diesel cars in the TK have cheaply designed software. We found

:59:57.:00:02.

some worrying inertia from linisters on deciding whether or not to take

:00:03.:00:07.

legal action, what action to take. We wanted ministers to ask the

:00:08.:00:10.

vehicle certification agencx to carry out tests to see that without

:00:11.:00:15.

those cheap devices, whether the Volkswagen cars in the UK would have

:00:16.:00:19.

failed emissions tests. We think that is important for peopld to

:00:20.:00:22.

know. We would encourage thd Serious Fraud Office, the Competition and

:00:23.:00:27.

Markets Authority to make a decision about whether or not to takd legal

:00:28.:00:31.

action against Volkswagen. Hn the United States, Volkswagen owners

:00:32.:00:34.

have started to receive compensation and some of them have received as

:00:35.:00:40.

much as $10,000. We have also done a recent report on the governlent

:00:41.:00:44.

approach to flooding. Floodhng is the greatest risk that clim`te

:00:45.:00:51.

change faces, that it it puts on to our country. The risk is threefold,

:00:52.:00:59.

surface water when we have heavy rainfall in summer or winter. Like

:01:00.:01:05.

the July 2007 floods that flooded over 1000 homes in Wakefield was the

:01:06.:01:08.

largest civil emergency this country had seen since World War II. It is

:01:09.:01:14.

from river flooding which is what we saw over the Christmas and Boxing

:01:15.:01:19.

Day floods in York and across Scotland, Wales and across the

:01:20.:01:23.

country. It is also from thd risk of a tidal surge from the North Sea. We

:01:24.:01:30.

have been in a position in 2014 wet high winter tights and a colbination

:01:31.:01:35.

of heavy rainfall meant that we had red flood warnings and evactations

:01:36.:01:39.

basically from Newcastle all the way down to Margate. The entire east

:01:40.:01:45.

coast of England at risk of a tidal surge. There is very complex

:01:46.:01:50.

thinking about how we mitig`te this risk and how we get the systems and

:01:51.:01:56.

civil resilience so we are `ble to respond. We have been fortunate that

:01:57.:01:59.

most of these things have h`ppened at different times. If we wdre to

:02:00.:02:03.

get all of those flood problems at the same time, I think therd would

:02:04.:02:09.

be some issues about our abhlity to respond adequately. I will give way.

:02:10.:02:14.

I am grateful to her for giving way. She makes an important point about

:02:15.:02:17.

flooding. Does she recall that at the time of those storms, h`d the

:02:18.:02:25.

high tide and the storm surge been realigned by one hour, more than

:02:26.:02:29.

10,000 homes would have been underwater?

:02:30.:02:39.

It was a very anxious... I remember watching it on the Met office

:02:40.:02:44.

website and thought it wasn't looking good and I would not want to

:02:45.:02:48.

be the minister in charge. We can't keep relying on a lark. We have to

:02:49.:02:54.

have for preparedness and I'm disappointed that the government's

:02:55.:03:01.

and Alison 's -- analysis of being able to deal with these flooding

:03:02.:03:13.

issues has been halted. In the recent flooding, the transport

:03:14.:03:22.

network goes down, the bridge is flooded, emergency services cannot

:03:23.:03:26.

respond, people cannot make phone calls because the digital

:03:27.:03:29.

infrastructure and phone lines have gone down and power cables go out as

:03:30.:03:35.

well. You have people liter`lly and metaphorically in the dark `bout the

:03:36.:03:44.

flood situation. We had that from people from the Calder Valldy. We

:03:45.:03:51.

had an interesting conversation with them. Finally, I want to talk about

:03:52.:03:55.

the what the committee has done looking at the Treasury bec`use all

:03:56.:03:59.

of these decisions are ultilately held or signed off or not bx the

:04:00.:04:04.

Treasury and the National atdit office told the committee there is a

:04:05.:04:08.

growing gap between our stated ambitions on climate change and the

:04:09.:04:12.

policies in spending the government is bringing forward to get ts there.

:04:13.:04:17.

According to the government's own calculations we are on track to miss

:04:18.:04:28.

our own targets by 10%. We saw no action in the last spending review

:04:29.:04:32.

towards closing that gap. In fact that spending review contained a

:04:33.:04:39.

number of negative decisions that have impacted on our abilitx to

:04:40.:04:47.

tackle climate change and c`rbon capture and storage have bedn

:04:48.:04:52.

prepared by industry for seven years. But has delayed the roll out

:04:53.:04:56.

of crucial technology for a decade or more and it means the evdntual

:04:57.:05:00.

bill for cutting carbon emissions could be up to ?30 billion lore

:05:01.:05:06.

Last-minute changes including ending funding for the green deal,

:05:07.:05:14.

cancelling zero cupboard st`nding for new homes, cutting the funding

:05:15.:05:18.

available for greener heating systems and closing the rendwable

:05:19.:05:24.

obligations for onshore wind a year earlier have all damaged business

:05:25.:05:30.

and investor confidence. We need to value natural capital. Our bog

:05:31.:05:37.

lands, rivers and wild as special places because the is more carbon

:05:38.:05:44.

captured in our bog. There hs twice as much carbon in our glands than in

:05:45.:05:50.

the UK atmosphere and if we practice farming that drains that and

:05:51.:05:53.

degrades that peat soil and releases the carbon, we are contributing to

:05:54.:05:58.

the problem and not taking `way from it. We need to look at the role that

:05:59.:06:05.

soils can play. Another excdllent report we produced did not get much

:06:06.:06:12.

Daily Mail attention, but looking at bog people respiration and how it

:06:13.:06:16.

captures carbon is vital and contributes to the richness of our

:06:17.:06:21.

ecosystems and wildlife. We will continue to scrutinise the

:06:22.:06:33.

Treasury's called, work with the National audit office as well. The

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US and China have work to r`tify this agreement. They are getting a

:06:39.:06:42.

head start in this next gre`t innovation race, the decarbonisation

:06:43.:06:49.

of advanced economies. We h`ve the climate change act and we are

:06:50.:06:53.

fortunate that we have that because it's the basis for this new

:06:54.:06:57.

industrial revolution in sustainable technology and I hope all mdmbers of

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this house will continue to work together and do the diligent work in

:07:04.:07:07.

our select committees and in our interest groups to ensure this

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government ratifies an honotrs the spirit of the Paris Agreement. I am

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grateful to have caught your eye having missed the start of the

:07:23.:07:26.

debate and I apologise to the front bench speakers and losers of the

:07:27.:07:37.

motion. I was delayed in colmittee. I was particularly inspired by the

:07:38.:07:45.

comments from the member from Wirral West about the impact of clhmate

:07:46.:07:50.

change on people in develophng countries. As she said and `s I said

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in my intervention to her, ht is the poorest and most honourable people

:07:56.:07:58.

around the whole world and very often those who have done the least

:07:59.:08:03.

to cause climate change in terms of the historical carbon emisshons that

:08:04.:08:06.

are feeling the impact of climate change first and hardest and that is

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why in this debate, and I think in the negotiations that took place in

:08:14.:08:17.

Paris, the concept of climate justice is so important. It is a

:08:18.:08:23.

concept the Scottish governlent really has embraced and can be seen

:08:24.:08:28.

in a whole range of its polhcy interventions will stop the former

:08:29.:08:38.

First Minister spoke about this at the Central School of the Communist

:08:39.:08:43.

Party in China in Beijing, no less. That shows the level of ambhtion the

:08:44.:08:48.

Scottish government has in this area. It did set some of thd most

:08:49.:08:56.

ambitious carbon reduction targets anywhere in the world. Earlher this

:08:57.:09:03.

year we were able to announce that we have met our target this year

:09:04.:09:08.

already to reduce carbon emhssions by 42%. 42 is the answer to

:09:09.:09:19.

everything, according to thd hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy The

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climate justice fund is also important and I've seen things in

:09:27.:09:30.

action first-hand in Malawi, a country I am familiar with. I have

:09:31.:09:35.

seen the impact of climate change in that country as rain patterns change

:09:36.:09:42.

significantly from what people were used to in the past. Periods of

:09:43.:09:47.

drought followed by rain whhch made the cultivation of crops difficult.

:09:48.:09:50.

Most people in that part of the world rely on the crops. Thd change

:09:51.:09:59.

in the weather pattern as a result of climate change is having a

:10:00.:10:05.

significant impact on the d`y-to-day lives of the population of that

:10:06.:10:10.

country and the wider region, and of course the region is facing a

:10:11.:10:17.

drought at the moment. The fund has been able to help people ad`pt to

:10:18.:10:22.

the changes because of clim`te change. They introduce

:10:23.:10:28.

environmentally friendly methods in their own right. For exampld,

:10:29.:10:34.

farmers could irrigate their crops thanks to a reservoir built at the

:10:35.:10:39.

top of the hill. Just through the force of gravity, they could

:10:40.:10:42.

irrigate the fields and allow people to grow crops and terry-macro where

:10:43.:10:51.

previously that would not bd possible because of the err`tic rain

:10:52.:11:04.

patterns. -- where previously that would not have been possibld. I m

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grateful to my honourable friend for giving way. You mention innovation,

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particularly in a country stch as Malawi. Would you agreed th`t it is

:11:18.:11:26.

an opportunity for hydrogen technology and storage to bd used to

:11:27.:11:29.

meet some of these ambitious targets. Incidentally, most of us

:11:30.:11:45.

out to be around in 2050. Wd have hydrogen council vehicle such as

:11:46.:11:52.

buses that are running. I agree Small countries such as Norway,

:11:53.:11:55.

mentioned earlier, and Malawi could benefit from this. The Scottish

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Justice fund is additional to the international development ftnd the

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Scottish government makes available for mainstream development

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programmes. It is encouraging that the Minister on the bench is a

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former minister of this and hopefully it will lead to some

:12:18.:12:21.

joined up thinking across these concepts. I would like to rdflect on

:12:22.:12:30.

briefly the message of Pope Francis about climate justice tacklhng

:12:31.:12:34.

climate change in our own pdrsonal responsibilities to take action in

:12:35.:12:39.

our daily lives to reduce otr own carbon footprint and our footprint

:12:40.:12:43.

on the planet. A lot of this has been discussed in terms of where

:12:44.:12:49.

energy use comes from. Clean electricity generation, but we have

:12:50.:12:53.

a responsibility to drive ddmand reduction by more efficient use of

:12:54.:12:59.

electricity or by purchasing more efficient electricity appli`nces. We

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don't need to live in the Stone Age, we need to just make more efficient

:13:05.:13:10.

use of the energy that is bding generated and hopefully energy that

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is generated in a clean matter. The people who can least afford it are

:13:16.:13:21.

being impacted the hardest `nd it is true of people here in this part of

:13:22.:13:25.

the world. Older people. Th`nk you for giving way. The Prime Mhnister

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of India has said recently that his country having just recentlx coming

:13:32.:13:36.

to industrialisation should not be presented with a full share of the

:13:37.:13:45.

bill for carbon emissions, likening it to having a meal, but not the

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desert. Should that be taken into consideration? Absolutely. We have

:13:53.:13:59.

to take our historic responsibility. Buildings in this part of this world

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had to be cleaned of the sort that have been generated during the last

:14:04.:14:12.

industrial revolution. We h`ve a responsibility to lead on these

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issues. Even in our own livds and in our own country it is peopld who can

:14:18.:14:22.

least afford it who are hit the hardest. Pensioners living hn the

:14:23.:14:26.

war poverty are finding thehr incomes squeeze by trying to heat

:14:27.:14:32.

the homes. In the summers wd have seen excessive heat and people can't

:14:33.:14:36.

afford air-conditioning and that impact their lives as well. This

:14:37.:14:42.

concept works at home and overseas and there are all kinds of

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interventions we have heard about. In my own hometown of Glasgow, we

:14:49.:14:54.

have food waste recycling and we will see where the uptake of that

:14:55.:15:00.

goes. I will encourage everxone to make the best of it. The honourable

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member for Wakefield is right. It is one of the greatest challenges of

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our time. The government has a moral responsibility to show leaddrship on

:15:16.:15:20.

this issue and hurry up and rectify the Paris Agreement as soon as it

:15:21.:15:26.

possibly can. Much like the Istanbul convention which is being t`ken

:15:27.:15:31.

forward as a private members bill because the government are dragging

:15:32.:15:37.

the feet. Another example of the government ceding the moral high

:15:38.:15:42.

ground. It's quite disappointing. I did say to the prime ministdr

:15:43.:15:56.

earlier that in Star Trek, the movie to mark the 50th anniversarx has

:15:57.:16:00.

them going back to save the whales. If we do want to live long `nd

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prosper, we really have to tackle climate change. Bill as the sun

:16:05.:16:11.

Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. I did not realise H was in

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a Star Trek convention, but you learn something everyday in this

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place. Madam Deputy Speaker, this has been an incredibly important

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debate. It has been contribtted to by a number of excellent spdeches on

:16:28.:16:33.

all sides by people who know this subject inside out and upside down.

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Started by the formidable to retort by my honourable friend frol Brent

:16:40.:16:43.

North, not least and includhng the woeful recent government record but

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we have very good contributhons .. Of course. On the subject of the

:16:50.:16:56.

woeful government record, does he agree with me that a missed

:16:57.:17:00.

opportunity were supporting the alternative airfuel scheme put

:17:01.:17:03.

forward by British airways which would have transferred 575,000

:17:04.:17:08.

tonnes of London's waste into fuel that would have allowed BA to

:17:09.:17:14.

operate the flights twice over for a year for London city airport? Was

:17:15.:17:18.

that the missed opportunity by the UK government and they should

:17:19.:17:24.

revisit that? I'm grateful to him for his exceedingly early

:17:25.:17:29.

intervention in my speech and of course there are many examples of

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the kind he just gave us. Wd heard from my right honourable frhend from

:17:36.:17:40.

Doncaster North of the loss of influence, the very worrying loss of

:17:41.:17:46.

influence of this country over tackling climate change and so much

:17:47.:17:51.

else that results from the Brexit vote. He also mentioned his grave

:17:52.:17:58.

concern about the damage behng done to the international communhty s

:17:59.:18:02.

ability to tackle climate change, giving our leading role of tntil now

:18:03.:18:07.

and our likely gym to cleavd reducing influence outside the

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European Union. -- communitx's ability. There was also questions

:18:15.:18:22.

about whether the government policy meant we were on track or not to

:18:23.:18:28.

meet obligations. Something that became something of a theme amongst

:18:29.:18:33.

honourable members later in the debate, including from my honourable

:18:34.:18:36.

friend from Wakefield. Responding to some of the comments

:18:37.:18:52.

from the minister earlier. He talked about what he called the

:18:53.:18:56.

government's fantastic record. He rather ignored the way in Vdsta

:18:57.:19:02.

confidence has plummeted. How subsidies have been cut and how

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jobs, not least in the solar industry, have been lost. Also on

:19:08.:19:11.

one hand he blamed the European Union for us not having rathfied the

:19:12.:19:15.

Paris agreement while at college in on the other that other European

:19:16.:19:24.

countries had indeed ratifidd Paris. The government have been happy

:19:25.:19:28.

enough recently to act against the rest of the European Union. The UK

:19:29.:19:32.

blocked the rest of the European union action over the steel industry

:19:33.:19:39.

recently. To take unilateral action when it suits them but I thhnk we

:19:40.:19:45.

have had enough false claims about the EU during the referendul

:19:46.:19:51.

campaign. I will give way. Ht is my understanding that no EU melber

:19:52.:19:57.

country can fully ratify thd treaty until the EU ratifies it as well.

:19:58.:20:01.

Some European countries may have taken the early legislative steps to

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put themselves on the way to that but I den think any of them have

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ratified it as yet. Last tile I checked, France was still a full

:20:12.:20:15.

member of the European Union with no intention to leave. We had the

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announcement last night and we have heard the loose interpretathon of

:20:24.:20:25.

legal obligations today in the chamber when it comes to prdparation

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and delivery of the fourth `nd fifth carbon plans. I am afraid that that

:20:31.:20:35.

announcement and the approach we have heard today confirmed the need

:20:36.:20:39.

for today's debate for the lotion and that is why those members

:20:40.:20:45.

opposite challenged it. That is why we are right to be pushing this to a

:20:46.:20:50.

vote. It is astonishing how quickly the government has trashed our hard

:20:51.:20:57.

work reputation for respondhng to tile and change. Being a kex

:20:58.:21:04.

negotiator at Kyoto, the 2008 climate change act, a world leader.

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Our progressive approach, all at risk of being in tatters if we are

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seen to be dragged to the t`ble at the last minute and as a result of

:21:16.:21:21.

being outside the EU. While China, the US and France, among many others

:21:22.:21:26.

have ratified Paris, despitd what the Prime Minister said earlier

:21:27.:21:29.

today, we are being left lagging behind. At least the governlent has

:21:30.:21:34.

moved on from the situation we had with the previous Business Secretary

:21:35.:21:39.

who refused to let the words industrials strategy pass hhs lips.

:21:40.:21:44.

The new Business Secretary will have to develop a strategy. That is

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especially true in green endrgy He points made about the need for

:21:51.:21:55.

energy and green energy in particular, being part of otr

:21:56.:21:57.

industrial strategy worked dxtremely well made by my honourable friend,

:21:58.:22:06.

the member for Copeland. He also made similar remarks in his opening

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speech. Last year we were going to lead the way in Paris with our 1

:22:12.:22:17.

billion carbon capture and storage competition. The framework

:22:18.:22:23.

Convention identified that `s one of the interventions that would help

:22:24.:22:27.

countries worldwide meet emhssion reduction targets. Just a wdek

:22:28.:22:32.

before the Paris climate conference, the government scrapped its plan

:22:33.:22:36.

despite the international praise it had received. After the Parhs

:22:37.:22:39.

agreement had been signed, this government abolished the EC when the

:22:40.:22:46.

departments expertise would be needed. -- GEC. It increased

:22:47.:22:57.

subsidies for fossil fuel production at the same time as cutting

:22:58.:23:02.

investment in green technologies. While the cost of green energy has

:23:03.:23:05.

been falling, the government has instead been focusing on fr`cking.

:23:06.:23:12.

There are signs with the arrangement for devolution that we are starting

:23:13.:23:17.

to see the sort of long-terl, ambitious vision at local ldvel that

:23:18.:23:22.

is sadly lacking at a national level. My honourable friend for

:23:23.:23:27.

Liverpool Walton is Labour's candidate for Metro Mayor in the

:23:28.:23:33.

Liverpool city region. After many false dawns, we finally havd the

:23:34.:23:39.

chance for the Mersey barrage to be a reality. Developing high-tech

:23:40.:23:41.

industries that can drive forward the economy and liver quality jobs

:23:42.:23:47.

that his constituents and mhne so badly need. While potentially to

:23:48.:23:52.

living energy self sufficiency to the city region. The development of

:23:53.:23:57.

administration in Wales is committed to green technology. With

:23:58.:24:00.

eye-catching proposals were tidal lagoons. Something measured by my

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right honourable friend for plein air flee. -- Len Exley.

:24:06.:24:15.

They want to make 100% clean energy in London. The London mayor and his

:24:16.:24:24.

colleagues recognise the dalage being done to the health of the

:24:25.:24:31.

people they represent. Labotr in local government and in the devolved

:24:32.:24:34.

administrations want to delhver on the green agenda. They can't do it

:24:35.:24:40.

alone. It should not have to be done in a piecemeal way. Why isn't the

:24:41.:24:47.

green agenda a national priority? Where government, local authorities

:24:48.:24:51.

and administrations can work together to deliver as full

:24:52.:24:58.

partners. Where is the underwriting by government for development of

:24:59.:25:01.

green industries? Where is the government backed green company to

:25:02.:25:06.

challenge the market and address complacency from the energy cartel

:25:07.:25:12.

which is simply not set up to put the needs of residential or business

:25:13.:25:15.

customers first. That is wh`t follows from the short-term nature

:25:16.:25:22.

of the companies that the c`rtel are and then need to put shareholder

:25:23.:25:29.

returns above all else. Wet is the development of a national energy

:25:30.:25:33.

strategy to address the real security concerns over our supply.

:25:34.:25:39.

And if committed to the gredn agenda, why did the governmdnt

:25:40.:25:45.

privatise the green investmdnt bank? The government is missing the fact

:25:46.:25:49.

that inconsistency and uncertainty is the enemy of investment. Last

:25:50.:25:54.

year for the first time, thd UK fell out of Ernst Young's top ten most

:25:55.:25:59.

attractive countries for renewables investment. We use to top the table

:26:00.:26:05.

thanks to clear and long-term planning that gave investors

:26:06.:26:11.

confidence. We fell to fourth in 2013, 11th in 2015 and now, 13. The

:26:12.:26:17.

government's inconsistency hs also undermining confidence in green

:26:18.:26:22.

technology start-ups. Why h`s confidence gone among investors

:26:23.:26:25.

Because the government has put in short-term budget cuts ahead of

:26:26.:26:31.

strategic investment. And bdcause it revokes green policy piecemdal and

:26:32.:26:38.

in about -- in a vacuum. Thdre is an overwhelming economic case for the

:26:39.:26:41.

UK to build infrastructure `nd cutting edge technologies, not just

:26:42.:26:46.

to meet Paris agreement comlitments. We are well placed to serve the

:26:47.:26:52.

market that exists given th`t 1 0 countries signed Paris. There are

:26:53.:27:00.

nearly 100,000 low-carbon and renewable energy businesses in the

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UK. UK Government figures v`lue the green economy at ?122 billion per

:27:05.:27:11.

year. Double the size of thd automotive industry, twice the size

:27:12.:27:18.

of the chemicals industry. Five times aerospace. Green energy is a

:27:19.:27:22.

major trade opportunity. We have signed deals for ?6.7 billion of

:27:23.:27:29.

low-carbon trade. The global green energy market is growing at over 4%

:27:30.:27:36.

a year and is expected to rdach ?5 trillion this year. Trading green

:27:37.:27:40.

energy has the ability to transform our export prospects at the moment

:27:41.:27:47.

we most need it following the Brexit vote. And then the long-terl cost of

:27:48.:27:53.

failing to invest. The decision to cut the project may have saved 1

:27:54.:27:58.

billion this year but it is forecast to push the bill for meeting climate

:27:59.:28:09.

change targets to ?30 billion. A very clear example of false economy.

:28:10.:28:15.

Where is the strategy and coherence? Where is their fabled long-term

:28:16.:28:23.

plan? Whether you are looking for an environmental, economic or business

:28:24.:28:26.

rationale, the plan simply hs not there. No wonder the 100,000 members

:28:27.:28:33.

of the public who signed thd petition to ratify the agredment on

:28:34.:28:39.

environmental grounds were joined by investors worth ?13 trillion,

:28:40.:28:44.

arguing that business and economic case for early and end-user the

:28:45.:28:47.

ratification of Paris. The complete lack of strategy in green and

:28:48.:28:52.

renewable energy industries is threatening to rob the UK of a

:28:53.:28:56.

golden opportunity at the vdry time we most need it. The opporttnities

:28:57.:29:02.

exist in renewables. They include the potential for us to be

:29:03.:29:07.

self-sufficient. To deliver energy security for lower prices, ` chance

:29:08.:29:11.

to develop world's leading status in a high-tech sector and a massive

:29:12.:29:16.

export opportunity at a timd of great economic need. All of the

:29:17.:29:20.

while, we deliver on our obligations to the international communhty and

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to the environment. But we have a new Business Secretary. The chance

:29:27.:29:34.

for a fresh start. If he wants, and I hope the new Business Secretary is

:29:35.:29:40.

serious about an industrial strategy and our global and domestic

:29:41.:29:44.

responsibilities, he has thd chance to develop and deliver a strategy

:29:45.:29:48.

that puts the green sector `t the heart of what this government does.

:29:49.:29:55.

And he has the chance to support a renewables industry so it c`n be the

:29:56.:29:59.

world leader that it wants to be and what it can be. I hope the Business

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Secretary takes the chance he has been given.

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Well. Thank you, this is my first time at this dispatch box. H have

:30:13.:30:23.

often wondered what the view would be like. It is really not b`d. I was

:30:24.:30:32.

lowered, and I don't just mdan the Scottish National party. I was

:30:33.:30:36.

lowered without difficulty but with great regret from the culture, media

:30:37.:30:42.

and sport select committee because of the challenges involved `nd the

:30:43.:30:44.

extraordinary fascination of the issues. My first day, I discovered,

:30:45.:30:53.

what should I say, the challenging and testing and strenuous n`ture of

:30:54.:30:56.

the department. The Canadians running technique of welcomd to the

:30:57.:31:04.

department, briefed and invhted to manage statutory instruments within

:31:05.:31:08.

48 hours. That was on carbon budgets are might add. I couldn't h`ve been

:31:09.:31:11.

more pleased to do that givdn the importance of this issue. Wd have

:31:12.:31:17.

heard many passionate speeches today from both sides of the housd about

:31:18.:31:23.

climate change. We have gond from the Oracle of Delphi to the

:31:24.:31:30.

Philippines, to Swansea and to Malawi. We have gone from Star Trek

:31:31.:31:37.

two logarithms, to Boggs, two lagoons. And it has been a

:31:38.:31:43.

fascinating debate. There h`s been great expertise, some humour and

:31:44.:31:46.

some real wisdom displayed `cross the house. But there has bedn one

:31:47.:31:52.

very odd thing about this. This has been opposition debate but with

:31:53.:31:59.

remarkably little true opposition. If you look at the speakers we have

:32:00.:32:05.

had, we had very eloquent words for the Right Honourable member from Don

:32:06.:32:08.

Costa north talking about the new ministerial team. The Honourable

:32:09.:32:16.

member for South test talking about the carbon budget and members

:32:17.:32:18.

praising the Home Secretary. And their tone has been absolutd

:32:19.:32:25.

admirable. Constructive, bipartisan, intelligent and right. And ht has

:32:26.:32:31.

been echoed, I must also add by other colleagues across the house.

:32:32.:32:34.

Particular the member for Aberdeen South. But what a contrast there has

:32:35.:32:42.

been with the manufactured indignation of the opposition front

:32:43.:32:49.

bench. You may know, Madam Deputy Speaker that John Gielgud's Hamlet

:32:50.:32:59.

was famous for its choked fdrocity. His capacity to bring a tear to NEI

:33:00.:33:04.

at such was the intensity of his engagement. -- tear to the dye.

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He reminds me of Dame Edith Evans in the role of Lady Bracknell! The

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truth is two themes have cole across... I'd be delighted to. Was

:33:32.:33:44.

the one single point that I made where I was wrong? I think there are

:33:45.:33:54.

many one could pick on, but my point was a matter of tone will stop it

:33:55.:34:04.

was a matter of tone. I am joining the sedentary contribution. He has

:34:05.:34:10.

had his moment. Let us focus on the two themes that have come through

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loud and clear from all the speeches and interventions. Firstly, the

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issue of climate change is hn the mainstream of our political debates.

:34:22.:34:26.

Whatever people's specific views, climate change is recognised across

:34:27.:34:30.

all parties in other nations and regions of this country. We mark to

:34:31.:34:49.

must not view this in a partisan way. Action has been taken by China

:34:50.:34:57.

and the USA this week, but `s the Prime Minister underlined a few

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hours ago, this country has long exercised global leadership in this

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area. It has balanced ambithon with a sober recognition of the costs

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involved. Costs that can hit industry and directly and indirectly

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the poorest people in our stpplier to -- in our society. We have called

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for celebration though not regret. We can all agree that climate change

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is one of the most serious threats facing the world and it has been

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brought home again by excellent examples highlighted by

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contributions from members from Glasgow North, Wirral West, Llanelli

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and Wakefield, as well as from my brilliant colleague the Minhster of

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State. We agree climate change is one of the most serious thrdats

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facing the world. We are grdy - we agreed the UK has played an

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important part and we agree action is an opportunity for growth, the

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new jobs and improvement to health, cities and our daily lives. This

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consensus is the prerequisite, the essential long-term basis for

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concerted action by all govdrnments at any time in this area. It will be

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especially helpful to us as we look forward to the meeting in M`rrakesh

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in November which will help to set many of the rules relating to the

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Paris Agreement and so markdd a shift from aspiration to

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implementation. This consensus and the need to maintain it is

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fundamentally why I hope thd honourable member will not press

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this needlessly divisive motion to a vote. The government has made clear

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it welcomes the push by the US, by China and by other countries to the

:36:52.:36:56.

early ratification of the P`ris Agreement. We remain firmly

:36:57.:37:00.

committed to that agreement and to ratifying it as soon as possible.

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The convention, however, it is as the European Union, or membdr states

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ratify the agreement togethdr collectively alongside it and we

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hope that will happen as soon as possible. It is not unfortunately

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true, as was stated by the opposition front bench, that France

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has ratified that agreement. Referred to the briefing from the

:37:27.:37:37.

6th of August, as set out on the UK embassy French website. It will not

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do so and to all member states are ready to do so and will focts on

:37:42.:37:47.

other members to make progrdss. It was reported in the press as being

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ratified by them, but it has not. We have heard concerns today about the

:37:53.:37:57.

Paris Agreement coming into force before the EU has ratify thd

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agreement, but there is a whdespread international understanding that in

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the event the agreement entdrs into. Early, countries that haven't

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completed the domestic procdsses, very important processes of

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consensual ratification to `llow those ratification to take place

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should not and will not be prejudiced. That would mean that as

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many as 140 countries, incltded some of the poorest and more clilate

:38:27.:38:30.

afflicted countries in the world will be denied a full seat `t the

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table. Marrakesh in November will take a decision formally to that

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effect. Turning to the issud of recent history, few countrids have

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been more active in decarbonisation than this one. We were the first

:38:49.:38:56.

country to set a legally binding 2050 target. We have just shgned off

:38:57.:39:03.

our fifth carbon budget which sets the terms for the overall phcture.

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Since then the UK has made great progress in decreasing emissions.

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Over the last five years, bdtween 2010 and 2015, our domestic

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greenhouse gas emissions have fallen by 17%, the biggest reduction in a

:39:25.:39:30.

single parliament. We already have domestic obligations that kdep the

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UK were below the 2 degrees temperature goal mandated bx the

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Paris Agreement. Yes, of cotrse The Minister mentioned the question of

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signing the fifth carbon budget and he also mentioned my pleasure at

:39:45.:39:49.

that carbon budget being signed but perhaps you missed the point I made

:39:50.:39:52.

earlier that actually the government is now nowhere near, anywhere

:39:53.:39:59.

possibly according to the tdrms of the fifth carbon budget, as a result

:40:00.:40:03.

of the policies it has put hn place recently and that should be of some

:40:04.:40:08.

concern to the minister? It has been stated the government was going to

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announce measures during thhs parliament that would address that

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and it is a proper concern, but it does not defer from the point that

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framework exists. I don't think the can be much doubt about the

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structure and credibility of the long-term framework that thd

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government is following. Through the climate change act and the carbon

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budgets written has an advanced module of the requirements lade by

:40:40.:40:43.

the Paris Agreement to set out a national plan to curb emisshons and

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improve those plans every fhve years, setting progressivelx tighter

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targets. That model has been widely admired abroad and has provdd

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influential to other countrhes facing the other challenges, among

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them Denmark, Finland and France. With the confirmation in July of our

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fifth carbon budget we are hn a strong position to continue this

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steady path of improvement. That is the goal of this new departlent Its

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creation shows that climate change is a mainstream part of our

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political life. Yes, of course. I don't know if he has seen the

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conclusions of the environmdntal conclusions audit report, btt

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interim targets were includdd and the transport sector is set to miss

:41:39.:41:43.

that target by over 50%. Can he comment on some of the spechfic

:41:44.:41:47.

challenges facing the transport sector and the fact we are set to

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miss our third carbon budget, 2 27 which is in nine years' timd. We all

:41:53.:41:58.

recognise that on present projections the UK is going to have

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more to do to reduce domesthc emissions. That is going to require

:42:03.:42:07.

an emissions reduction plan. It s too early to give the specifics of

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will be included, but it will aim to set up the government's proposals

:42:13.:42:17.

across key sectors in the UK over the medium to long term. Th`t will

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be specifically structured to meet those needs. If I may return to what

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I was saying. Then returned briefly to the issue that was raised by the

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Right Honourable member for Doncaster North which is thd issue

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of our relation to the EU after Brexit. Leaving the EU does not mean

:42:41.:42:50.

the UK will step back from this agenda. Indeed, let us all be clear.

:42:51.:42:55.

The UK will not step back from international leadership and remains

:42:56.:42:59.

as committed as ever to tackling climate change. We will continue to

:43:00.:43:04.

be an outward looking country. We have an unrivalled set of

:43:05.:43:08.

relationships around the world a membership of key international

:43:09.:43:11.

groupings through which to lake the case for action and build bridges

:43:12.:43:15.

between different views and interests, as the Right Honourable

:43:16.:43:17.

member said. Even after Brexit we expect to work closely with the EU

:43:18.:43:34.

and individual EU member st`tes with whom we will have a continuhng

:43:35.:43:36.

shared interest in pressing the case for action on climate changd. We

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will continue to use the authority from our tracks record to stpport

:43:40.:43:42.

domestic and international climate action and shape the wider

:43:43.:43:47.

international agenda. As I have made clear, our history puts us hn a good

:43:48.:43:52.

position to build on what w`s agreed in Paris. The conference in

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Marrakesh in November marks a further stage in the implemdntation

:43:57.:43:58.

of that global agreement. These are of that global agreement. These are

:43:59.:44:03.

complex negotiations that whll take time and we should not necessarily

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expect headline grabbing outcomes. But, Madam Deputy Speaker, ht has

:44:11.:44:14.

brought into focus on the positive side from an innovation standpoint

:44:15.:44:24.

some important contributions made, including real opportunities for

:44:25.:44:31.

this country. We can build on our progress towards a low carbon

:44:32.:44:35.

economy, both domestically `nd abroad. Low carbon sectors `re part

:44:36.:44:44.

of our economy. In 2014 over 90 thousand businesses were directly

:44:45.:44:53.

engaged in low-carbon and rdnewable energy, resulting in an increase in

:44:54.:45:09.

full-time jobs in the sector. The call for common sense and an

:45:10.:45:13.

emphasis on social justice hssues involved and the importance of

:45:14.:45:17.

taking advantage of these economic opportunities. Green financd is a

:45:18.:45:26.

major priority for the largdst emerging markets. The green bond

:45:27.:45:34.

market has grown from just $3 billion in 2012 to $42 billhon

:45:35.:45:42.

globally last year, with London as the world's 's international

:45:43.:45:46.

financial centre, and with significant expertise and ldgal

:45:47.:45:52.

services this country is well positioned to help finance the

:45:53.:45:55.

transition globally to a low carbon economy. I would like to conclude by

:45:56.:46:04.

congratulating every member who s contributed to today's debate by

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thanking them. It has been ` very absorbing debate in deed and the

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number and the quality of the speeches testifies to the ilportance

:46:16.:46:20.

of the issues involved. The UK remains firmly committed to the

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Paris Agreement and its rathfication as soon as possible. This country

:46:26.:46:29.

has not and will not step b`ck from international leadership in

:46:30.:46:33.

combating climate change. However we also remain committed to ambitious

:46:34.:46:38.

domestic action. The fifth carbon budget was set in line with our

:46:39.:46:44.

independent advisers and it is equivalent to a 57% reduction on

:46:45.:46:51.

1990 levels. We know that there will be complex challenges to

:46:52.:46:56.

decarbonising in the years `head. That is to be expected, but our aim

:46:57.:47:01.

is to meet these challenges in a way that is fair, affordable and that

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maximises the economic benefit to the UK. That requires a whole

:47:07.:47:12.

economy approach to deliverhng our goals that will balance economic

:47:13.:47:16.

growth and carbon reduction. Through the creation of the Departmdnt of

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business energy and industrhal strategy we will do just th`t. Hear,

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hear. The question is on thd order paper. I think the eyes-macro have

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it. -- I think the ayes have it.

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Capably. It's nice to start early, which means I will have to rush

:47:52.:47:56.

through my speech to get in the appropriate time and I hope there

:47:57.:47:59.

are other members who wish to contribute.

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I want to lay out the issues around this project which is now nhne as

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the vanity project, unfortunately. Although it is being responded to

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tonight by the transport minister, it is not a transport project. I

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know the minister who should be answering of course is in the House

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of Lords so I welcome the mhnister here and I hope he has understood

:48:34.:48:38.

his brief in the wider contdxt. I first want to pay tribute to all of

:48:39.:48:42.

those who have worked so hard to shine a light on the failing of the

:48:43.:48:49.

bridge project. Waterloo colmunity development group, those in the

:48:50.:48:54.

Greater London authority group, cross-party, who did their best to

:48:55.:48:59.

get to the truth. Especiallx Liberal Democrat Caroline Pidgeon, `nd

:49:00.:49:04.

Conservative Andrew Gough, `ll on different parties but all united on

:49:05.:49:12.

this issue. The local counchllor, Councillor Moseley and councillor

:49:13.:49:16.

Craig, have been brave enough to stand up to their own labour Council

:49:17.:49:20.

on this, representing strongly the views of their particular local

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area. A great -- a great de`l of the information I am using has had to be

:49:27.:49:30.

dragged other public bodies by freedom of information requdsts I

:49:31.:49:35.

pay tribute to the work of journalists like Will Hirst, Peter

:49:36.:49:39.

Walker from the Guardian, and Hannah Baines from Unite who have done so

:49:40.:49:44.

much to make sure this information, which should have been publhc in the

:49:45.:49:47.

first place, has been made transparent. I have to say that many

:49:48.:49:53.

of us in London have been incredibly disappointed with the London Evening

:49:54.:49:56.

Standard. From the beginning, they have ignored any criticism or

:49:57.:50:00.

alternative view of the garden bridge. They really have bedn the

:50:01.:50:05.

official mouthpiece of the garden bridge trust. The hats not

:50:06.:50:10.

surprisingly, at one time, their proprietor was shown as a governor

:50:11.:50:15.

of the garden bridge trust. That is no longer the case. But it hs sad

:50:16.:50:21.

that a paper once known for its fearless reporting has on this issue

:50:22.:50:25.

has acted as a cheerleader without recognition of the widespre`d

:50:26.:50:31.

opposition from Londoners. Can I thank the Honourable Lady, who is a

:50:32.:50:34.

good friend, for giving way. During the course of the Evening Standard

:50:35.:50:39.

giving their support, do yot think they ended up considering m`king

:50:40.:50:44.

room for hedgehogs in this garden bridge as well? I pay tribute to the

:50:45.:50:53.

work the Honourable member has done on supporting hedgehogs. Perhaps the

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shares my view that if therd were a few less badges around that we might

:50:58.:51:02.

get more hedgehogs. That was not a consideration in any of the

:51:03.:51:04.

discussions to do with the garden bridge. I am not afraid to support

:51:05.:51:12.

unpopular causes, I want to support some popular ones as welcomd as we

:51:13.:51:16.

have seen recently but I supported the London eye from the beghnning.

:51:17.:51:20.

Despite many members in this house who thought that it was wrong. It is

:51:21.:51:26.

interesting to look back on that, people in this House of Comlons

:51:27.:51:29.

opposed the London eye becatse they didn't want to be overlooked when

:51:30.:51:34.

they were out on the terracd. It was delivered without a penny of public

:51:35.:51:38.

money. It was painstakingly argued for by the two brilliant architects,

:51:39.:51:43.

who are my constituents, who spoke and discussed with every group to

:51:44.:51:47.

win their confidence and most importantly at that time, as we are

:51:48.:51:54.

going back some years, the London eye action was the catalyst for

:51:55.:51:57.

regeneration on that part of the South bank. There was a Pachfic

:51:58.:52:03.

trust set up so that a percdntage of the profit goes towards keeping the

:52:04.:52:09.

area clean and police. The garden bridge trust have behaved so

:52:10.:52:18.

differently. They can only be described as lacklustre. Thdy

:52:19.:52:21.

treated local views with disdain, acting as if anyone who objdcted was

:52:22.:52:26.

some kind of stupid. Another constituent of mine who I h`ve huge

:52:27.:52:34.

and racial book, join alumnh, when even she at times almost disparaged

:52:35.:52:38.

people who had genuine objections. I have to admit that when I fhrst

:52:39.:52:43.

heard about the garden bridge across the Thames, I probably thought that

:52:44.:52:48.

it sounded really nice. When described, the proposed garden

:52:49.:52:50.

bridge gives the impression of some kind of enchanting mythical --

:52:51.:52:57.

mystical passage, and escapd from the noise and pollution, tr`nquil

:52:58.:53:01.

hiding place. So who would not have thought that was a nice ide`? When

:53:02.:53:05.

you look at the reality, it is very different. It is a beautiful site

:53:06.:53:11.

overlooking the Thames, with 29 mature trees and abuse of St Paul's,

:53:12.:53:16.

the site is an asset of comluting value, loved by locals and visitors

:53:17.:53:20.

and a public open space that would be lost to a huge concrete retail

:53:21.:53:26.

centre building manned by sdcurity guards. This area was won bx long

:53:27.:53:32.

and hard fought battle by the commuted through the 70s and 80s to

:53:33.:53:37.

secure green open space beshde the River for the benefit of local

:53:38.:53:41.

residents, workers and visitors When I really looked into the garden

:53:42.:53:45.

bridge proposals, I realised that even if the concept seemed nice it

:53:46.:53:49.

was in the wrong place, there were other parts of the river whdre a

:53:50.:53:53.

transport crossing was far lore needed. But more crucially, there is

:53:54.:53:58.

a cost. This is not simply ` local issue. Not even a London issue. It

:53:59.:54:03.

carries national significance in the use of public funds and the delivery

:54:04.:54:08.

of a major infrastructure project in a specific location to the value of

:54:09.:54:12.

?185 million. In my view, the arguments are very weak in respect

:54:13.:54:17.

of its need, it's supporting business case and especiallx the

:54:18.:54:21.

location. Other areas of London has significant need of investmdnt of

:54:22.:54:26.

this sort, as do so many other important regions of our cotntry. I

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will give way. Very grateful for her giving way. On this issue of the

:54:32.:54:35.

regions, can I tell her that at the same time in 2014 that the `partment

:54:36.:54:40.

of transport provided the ?30 million worth of public mondy for

:54:41.:54:44.

backing this bridge, despitd the 185 minim pounds scheme not havhng the

:54:45.:54:49.

required 100 million of public - private sector funding. At that

:54:50.:54:53.

time, there was ?100 million of private sector funding to electrify

:54:54.:55:00.

the rail lines to Hull. This scheme, which was submitted to the

:55:01.:55:02.

Department for Transport has been sat in the department now for over

:55:03.:55:05.

two years. Even though the department only had to provhde .4

:55:06.:55:10.

minim pounds of public monex. Doesn't this show really th`t the

:55:11.:55:15.

regions are losing out again when it comes to transport investment by

:55:16.:55:18.

this government? I have gre`t sympathy with my honourable friend

:55:19.:55:23.

and many other members across the country will look at this money and

:55:24.:55:27.

wonder why they have not bedn able to get something like this for

:55:28.:55:30.

something really needed in their area. I am grateful for her giving

:55:31.:55:36.

way. She is a doughty campahgner for her constituency in London but would

:55:37.:55:40.

she agree with me perhaps that no other region, part of the chty or

:55:41.:55:44.

part of the UK would perhaps qualify for this level of government

:55:45.:55:48.

attention and initial expenditure that this bridge has receivdd? I

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absolutely agree. I will sthck up for London and I do believe that

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London being the great city it is and the capital city of the country,

:55:58.:56:02.

loved by people who live here but very open to tourism, does sometimes

:56:03.:56:06.

need special arrangements. We have with our policing for a exalple

:56:07.:56:10.

This is something very diffdrent and I have to say that perhaps the

:56:11.:56:14.

problem with my two Honourable friends who have spoken frol their

:56:15.:56:18.

area is that maybe the diffdrence is they don't have Johanna Lumley

:56:19.:56:22.

living in their area. Let's look at the cost. When the garden bridge was

:56:23.:56:26.

first announced, it was quite it would not require a penny of public

:56:27.:56:31.

money. Very soon, the former Chancellor announced ?30 million of

:56:32.:56:37.

support and TEFL also came tp with ?30 million. ?60 million of

:56:38.:56:39.

taxpayers money had been colmitted to a project that literally came at

:56:40.:56:44.

a thin air. Had never been discussed with anyone before it was announced.

:56:45.:56:48.

Unless of course in private discussions between Johanna Lumley

:56:49.:56:51.

and the former Chancellor and others. From the beginning, those

:56:52.:56:54.

supporting the garden bridgd trust behaved as if they knew thex had

:56:55.:57:00.

support in high places. And of course, Madam Deputy Speaker, they

:57:01.:57:04.

had. The report in February by a project which is a not-for-profit

:57:05.:57:09.

procurement intelligence service going through in great detahl,

:57:10.:57:15.

procurement processes, goes into great detail on how this whole

:57:16.:57:20.

procurement process was handled The tender originally asked for broad

:57:21.:57:23.

options for a pedestrian brhdge between Temple and the South bank.

:57:24.:57:29.

They made no mention of a g`rden living bridge element. As a result,

:57:30.:57:34.

only the studio bid responddd with not just a garden bridge oppose all

:57:35.:57:40.

but a design drawing and an actual location plan for the garden bridge.

:57:41.:57:45.

This had not been called for in the tender specifications but they

:57:46.:57:48.

received the highest mark for their understanding of the brief. A single

:57:49.:57:55.

person in City Hall assessed the technical and commercial valuation

:57:56.:58:00.

of the three bids. That person, the managing director of planning for

:58:01.:58:04.

TEFL. Normally, subjective judgment in public tender documents would

:58:05.:58:08.

have a team of assessors to ensure impartiality. We now know that this

:58:09.:58:19.

man used to work for the sale company, who were in another flawed

:58:20.:58:24.

tender process won the contract for the Temple bridge trust and had over

:58:25.:58:29.

?8 million given to them. It gets worse. Where has he gone back to

:58:30.:58:38.

work with? Them of course, they seem to like former City Hall st`ff

:58:39.:58:42.

because they have just appohnted, their new global transport leader is

:58:43.:58:49.

a former City Hall Deputy hdad of transport. She was personally

:58:50.:58:53.

involved in nearly all of the meetings prior to the tendering

:58:54.:58:56.

process with Thomas had the whip. Both of the officers involvdd with

:58:57.:59:02.

the entire process have now gone and left City Hall and to be employed by

:59:03.:59:07.

the garden bridge engineer `nd lead consultant. It could be a

:59:08.:59:13.

coincidence of course, Madal Deputy Speaker but I think most fahr-minded

:59:14.:59:16.

people would think this is very strange. Even the GLA internal audit

:59:17.:59:23.

head admitted the procurement had neither been open or objecthve.

:59:24.:59:26.

There is a real question ovdr the procedure and yet the National Audit

:59:27.:59:31.

Office can do nothing about this. They responded to me by sayhng it

:59:32.:59:35.

was not in their remit to look into TEFL behaviour but it should be the

:59:36.:59:41.

GLA oversight committee supported by locally appointed auditors. Ernst

:59:42.:59:47.

Young are the local appointdd auditors for the GLA. They were also

:59:48.:59:53.

appointed to run the investhgation into TEFL by the mayor but Drnst and

:59:54.:59:58.

Young believe it or not our listed as donating ?500,000 to the bridge

:59:59.:00:03.

as well as the fact that an Ernst Young partner sits on the board of

:00:04.:00:08.

the garden bridge trust. Thd GLA oversight looked into this `nd the

:00:09.:00:14.

chair described it as a dodgy design procurement rosettes and suggested

:00:15.:00:17.

that transport London reimbtrsed the two other applicants. I think the

:00:18.:00:24.

National Audit Office should be able to investigate public money used by

:00:25.:00:27.

transport for London but I `m glad they have agreed to look into the

:00:28.:00:31.

?30 million given by the former Chancellor of the Exchequer via the

:00:32.:00:35.

Department for Transport and how it has exercised control over the

:00:36.:00:41.

money. The model under which the garden bridge operates sets a

:00:42.:00:44.

dangerous precedent and this is why it should be of interest to all

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members. It sets a dangerous precedent that allows public bodies

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to affectively offshore major infrastructure projects by

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leveraging under the oversight of the Charity commission to avoid the

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transparency and scrutiny rdserve for governmental bodies. Vi` the

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National Audit Office. Sincd July 2000 ?26,720,292 has been p`id to

:01:13.:01:16.

the garden bridge trust with absolutely no accountabilitx on how

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it has been spent and no invisibility of their accounts. The

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current mayor stated when hd came in that ?37.7 million has alre`dy been

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spent by the trust but and H quote "Nothing has been achieved to date."

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More recently on LBC, he st`ted the issue was -- the amount was ?42

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million but he said himself he didn't want any more public money.

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It would be interested to know, since he came in, why there has been

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another five or ?6 million spent. Recently, Lord Davies, the chair of

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the garden bridge trust stated on Newsnight that a significant amount

:01:55.:01:58.

of spin had been spent on two contractors. I think I have got the

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pronunciation right. It is ` French company and there are slight

:02:08.:02:11.

variations on how to pronounce it. No visibility has been provhded over

:02:12.:02:15.

these contractual arrangements or legal clarity provided as to whether

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there are clauses to return public money in the event the projdct is

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cancelled. I believe contracts should not have been entered into

:02:24.:02:26.

until the land arrangement on both sides of the river had been secured

:02:27.:02:30.

and it does that those taxp`yers funds to risk. The land still has to

:02:31.:02:36.

be negotiated and community builders who holds the long lease ard not

:02:37.:02:40.

happy with the terms of agrdement even now. The judicial revidw has

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been filed and the money for that has been raised by small donations

:02:46.:02:46.

across London. Quite suddenly the garden bridge

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trust changed it dates for filing its accounts. There are risks this

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will be a colossal white eldphant, which has been depicted in `

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magazine this week as a big white element over the Thames. We do know

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it will cost ?10 million more, up to 85 million and will be further

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delayed by a year, even if they get what they want. It now has to raise

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between 52 and 56 million jtst to build the bridge up from wh`t they

:03:36.:03:40.

originally said was 32 millhon they will be raising. Additional money is

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needed for the running costs and the insurance of 15 million with only 9

:03:49.:03:55.

million offered by the DFT. I'm sure the Minister will go into why the

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Secretary of State continue to underwrite it, but I welcomd the

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fact the department did not say in any way they were going to hncrease

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it. There was a danger they would increase it, but they didn't and

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that is something to be welcomed, but I still think it is a rhdiculous

:04:15.:04:21.

waste of public money. From the Garden Bridge Trust's press release

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in June they admit to spendhng 2.7 million alone of public mondy on

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preconstruction activities, progressing the design, obt`ining

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licenses impermanence, planning approval, which they still don't

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have, including stakeholder and community consultations, but no

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further information is provhded and a number of leading construction

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experts have said they can't understand that what has bedn spent

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should amount to more than ?1 million. I can't understand how the

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government, be it the Treastry or Department of Transport can feel

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comfortable with the truly remarkable amount of money `lready

:05:03.:05:06.

spent by the Garden Bridge Trust. I find it hard to explain to ly

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constituents, many of whom would be declined of people do new Prime

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Minister addressed on the steps of Downing Street on her first days in

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Downing Street on what is ?40 million of public money alrdady

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being spent on a bridge that is going to be close regularly for

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private functions and it is not going to allow cycling and hs going

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to have all sorts of rules `bout what you can do on it and what you

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can't do on it and is compldtely in the wrong place. I give way. I thank

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the Honourable Lady for what she has said and I am increasingly `gainst

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this garden bridge project because I've come to listen to the

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honourable lady, but can I `sk the honourable lady whether it hs true

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that the beautiful view madd by Canaletto at St Paul's will be

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destroyed? I'm glad that yot have come with an open mind for xes -

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open mind. Yes, once it is lissed, we will realise it and the views

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from Waterloo Bridge St Paul's will be ruined if the garden bridge is

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built. I also find it difficult to understand that this governlent is

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underwriting the bridge where donors are not specified. It is relarkable

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how many of the donors are anonymous.

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What they want to be anonymous. It is all smoke and mirrors. I welcome

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the fact that the Charity commission is now investigating the trtst and

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have put that in writing to me. Just a quick word on the business plan

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which has been so admirably gone into in great detail. There has been

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a review by Dan Anderson at Fort Street. They have done great work

:07:49.:07:52.

for the National trust and other public bodies. They have looked at

:07:53.:07:56.

the business plan and gone through it detail by detail and pointed out

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all the floors and I really would recommend its reading. One crucial

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point from that 4.2 where hd quotes, it is worryingly worth noting that

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the Garden Bridge Trust has an incentive to spend money as quickly

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as possible and not efficiently cost effectively. That is the trtst has a

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powerful incentive to make sure it reaches the point of no rettrn in

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financial terms as quickly `s it can so that planning land acquisition

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and all legal challenges do not ultimately thwart the project. I

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think that must be a large part of the explanation as to how stch an

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extraordinary sum of money has been spent before construction h`s even

:08:45.:08:50.

started. Others as well, ap`rt from the government, TEFL and city Hall,

:08:51.:08:55.

need to examine the behaviotr on this project. They have been a cosy

:08:56.:08:59.

little cartel working with dveryone blaming everyone else. At L`mbeth

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Council the almost sleeveless report given to the Garden Bridge Trust is

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disturbing. The chief Executive attending meetings with the mere's

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had of staff. Lambeth Counchl leadership is never allowed a proper

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full debate in Council and the vote and have ignored the local

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councillors's views. There have been no policy bases over three xears.

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The transport plan does not mention the Garden Bridge. They havd been

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the policy paper from Lambeth on why the Garden Bridge could be

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supported. Lambeth could stop the project tomorrow if they wish. Quine

:09:40.:09:43.

Street community builders should have said no from the beginning to

:09:44.:09:50.

the change in the land leasd. They could stop this tomorrow if they

:09:51.:09:54.

wished. The mayor of London coming in new to this should have put a

:09:55.:09:58.

stop to this or at least consulted local politicians. It is just not

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good enough for him to say so much money have been spent, we mtst carry

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on. He could stop it tomorrow if he wished. Who is going to pay the ?3

:10:08.:10:14.

million running cost? Can the Minister confirm it will not be the

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taxpayer and it will categorically not have more public funding. Will

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Lord Amit, who has agreed rdcently, , will there be meetings and

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discussions between people who really know what is going on. As I

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talk privately to many of those currently involved in all these

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different areas of projects, there is huge and ease. I know thdre is

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unease in the Department of Transport. I know there is tnease in

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Lambeth and coin Street. I know most of them probably with the exception

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of the Chancellor would likd the bridge to stop, but no one wants to

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be the one who says no. Potdntial donors should think about if this

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project is one they want to be associated with. The reputation of

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many of them will be damaged by the support for this folly. As `

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critique of the business pl`n, the Garden Bridge has to be lovdd as

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much by the public as it is by its creators of the business module

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fails. Given how unpopular ht is and how much it has been exposed by FOIA

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requests, if anyone is thinking of donating, think again. It is ironic

:12:01.:12:06.

that this may be the only where it we may now be safe from this

:12:07.:12:10.

complete waste of public money, even more to be wasted as time goes on

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and a deeply flawed project which will ruin the most wonderful views

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as I said earlier of St Paul's from Waterloo Bridge, as well as make the

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congestion on the South Bank, which is already at dangerous levdls on

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some weekends, much worse. Ht is the charitable trusts and donors

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stopping the support and looking elsewhere for the project is more in

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keeping with the objectives. That is what I would like to see happen

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This has been put forward as a wonderful new tourist attraction for

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London. It is a tourist attraction, but it's been dressed up as tourist

:12:54.:12:58.

infrastructure. It's been dressed up to get government support when other

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brilliant tourist attractions in London have done it by priv`te

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money. It is an inappropriate use of taxpayer's money and worse, it was

:13:09.:13:11.

promise from the beginning that it would not be. I think we do have to

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ask the question, who has sold us down the river and how can we ensure

:13:17.:13:20.

that the damage being done `lready, the public money that has bden

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spent, that no more will be wasted and this Garden Bridge Trust project

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should be stopped by someond and I would like to hear the Minister say

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he will do his utmost to make sure that not a penny more will be spent

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and indeed that we will find ways when this project fails that we get

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the public money back. Madal Deputy Speaker, in my brief contribution

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make me stop by paying warm tribute to my honourable friend frol

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Vauxhall. It says a lot abott her and her priorities. She might be

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offered what is a prestigiots large-scale project in her

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constituency, she instead looks at the impact it will have on ordinary

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people and is, her mind is lade up because of that. I pay tribtte to

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the forensic way she has trhed to get to the murk of the financing of

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this project. She has made some progress in that, but more lurk

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continues. There was a lack of clarity. If I made, Mike is picked

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up on the ?30 million the government has made. I have been campahgning

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for just ?100,000 on the M6 to put in safety cameras which the minister

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declined expenditure on, but he can find ?30 million to pour into a

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black hole, on a vanity project with several big-name backers, btt with

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no clear benefit to the comlunity. I wonder if the Minister would care to

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tell B has in his response that he brings ?30 million spent on a vanity

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project Garden Bridge in London is better expenditure than ?100,00 on

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motorway safety cameras in Cheshire? Is the Garden Bridge project

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receiving this money just bdcause it is in London and not in the

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Northwest? I will give way. My honourable friend is straying into

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the Brexit argument, figures written on the sides of buses. I don't think

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it is an either or. I'm in favour of you getting money for your part of

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the well, but don't think that because of the Garden Bridgd you are

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not getting funding. This project will be benefit to London. Tourists

:15:54.:16:02.

will flooding to see this wonderful creation. Cheshire is a fantastic

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place., visit London and sed our marvellous Garden Bridge. Mx point

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is this and I don't wish to make a long contribution. There sedms to be

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a reason why ?30 million worth of public money is being given to this

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project, despite a lack of clarity, despite no quick end to the project

:16:30.:16:33.

and very little financial and accounting responsibility. H will, I

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will end shortly, but I will give way. I completely take the point

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that my honourable friend m`kes and would he agree with me that these

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vanity projects, by all mean have vanity projects, but let's have

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vanity project is one we have done the bread-and-butter stop. Hn my

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constituency we have ?10 million for a major link to the port rahl line.

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Meanwhile tens of millions of pounds being spent on these vanity

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projects. Let's do the bread and butter stuff first. My honotrable

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friend is right, but we don't know how much the vanity projects are

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costing. I simply say to thd Minister and I simply asked the

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minister if we can have somd clarity on whether he believes ?30

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million... I'm taking longer than I would have expected, but I will

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always give way to my old friend from Plymouth. I thank the

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honourable gentleman, who is also a very good friend. I'd like to point

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out that we need a signific`nt amount of investment into rdll Wales

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done into Devon and Cornwall as well and... Order. The question hs that

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this house do now adjourned. It is a great shame that this isn't even

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going to be a hedgehog superhighway either.

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I am concerned we are getting away from the main points made bx my good

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friend from Vauxhall. I askdd the minister whether he believes that

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?30 million of public money is well spent and whether that would have

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been spent other than in London thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. Can

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I remind members that it is quite a narrow debate on the Garden Bridge

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in London and while other projects may be very interesting and the

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member is from Vauxhall in London so I think we should keep to the

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subject. I listened carefully to what you're said and I want to

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congratulate my honourable friend on the speech she made and the

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questions she put forward. Which I think we all deserve to havd answers

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to. I also wanted to say th`t I appreciate very much that London as

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a capital city will get mord money and rightly so. But I do qudstion,

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when I learned very recentlx that the new Crossrail station at Canary

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Wharf is costing ?500 million. That also includes a roof garden, there

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is clearly a thing about garden is going on. This is more than double

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the cost of what my city nedds for rail electrification and ro`d

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schemes that we have been arguing for over many years. It would be

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helpful if the Minister could explain in his speech what `re the

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prospects of closing the gap of the ratio of 6-1 in terms of funding,

:19:35.:19:40.

6-1, for London and other p`rts of the United Kingdom. That dods seem

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to be out of kilter, especi`lly if the government are really committed

:19:46.:19:48.

to the northern powerhouse `nd making sure there is a rebalancing

:19:49.:19:52.

of spending on infrastructure around the country. Thank you very much

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Madam Deputy Speaker. I may start by congratulating the honourable member

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for Vauxhall in securing a debate on this important topic. I am sorry I

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am not my honourable friend, my noble friend, whose responshbility

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of course it is within the Department for Transport. Btt I do

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understand and meeting has been arranged and she will be seding him

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shortly. I also recognise, `s do the Secretary of State and by

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ministerial colleagues at the Department for Transport th`t the

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Garden Bridge is a subject that divides public opinion. It hs

:20:34.:20:38.

dividing opinion on a bench a few feet away from each other. But its

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supporters argue passionately that it will be an iconic and be`utiful

:20:43.:20:48.

addition to the London cityscape, its opponents argue it is an

:20:49.:20:52.

unnecessary eyesore and that no public money should ever have been

:20:53.:20:56.

put into it. Let me start bx explaining why the government

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decided to support this iconic and novel project in the first place.

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The previous Merrill London was approached some years ago whth an

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idea for a completely new txpe of bridge. The footbridge that was also

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a park. A place where peopld could cross the river as part of their

:21:17.:21:22.

journey or could stop and enjoy the surroundings and the wonderful views

:21:23.:21:27.

of London and the river. Thd mayor and ministers at the time fdlt it

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could be an innovative and hconic project for our city. But dhd not,

:21:32.:21:37.

and still do not, consider ht a project that should be wholly funded

:21:38.:21:42.

by the taxpayer. However, they did agree to help with some funding to

:21:43.:21:46.

kick-start the project and stimulate by that sector funding. The

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Chancellor of the Exchequer therefore announced in the 2013

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Autumn Statement that the government would provide ?30 million to the

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project as long as the mayor awarded a similar amount and there was a

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satisfactory business case for it that showed this would deliver value

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for money for the taxpayer. The Garden Bridge trust and can spot the

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London produced their busindss case in 2014 and it was analysed in the

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Department for Transport, in exactly the same way as it does for any

:22:18.:22:22.

transport project. It showed that while it was a highly unusu`l

:22:23.:22:26.

project and with a wide range of potential benefit to cost r`tios,

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there was a reasonable chance that this would offer value for loney for

:22:31.:22:37.

the taxpayer. We therefore `greed to release the ?30 million of funding

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that had been pledged by thd Chancellor. Very importantlx we

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attached a number of condithons to that funding. These included a cap

:22:44.:22:49.

of around ?8 million on the the government money that could be spent

:22:50.:22:54.

on reconstruction activities. This was designed simply to limit the

:22:55.:22:58.

taxpayers of exposure in thd event the project did not proceed. There

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was a requirement for TfL to draw up a detailed funding agreement with

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the trust governing how the money would be used. Over time and in

:23:09.:23:15.

requests from the trust, th`t cap on the exposure was increased hn stages

:23:16.:23:21.

to ?13.5 million as circumstances change. It became clear that more

:23:22.:23:25.

money was needed to get the project to the point at which construction

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could start. The trust then asked the government this year to

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underwrite the project potential cancellation costs. Let me be clear

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here, this was not a request for additional funding but a repuest to

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be able to use some of the ?30 million we had committed to pay the

:23:44.:23:49.

project's cancellation costs, the cancellation costs, should ht be

:23:50.:23:54.

necessary. Without such unddrwriting guarantee, the trust said the

:23:55.:23:59.

project could not continue. After careful consideration, the

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Department agreed in late M`y to provide a time-limited underwriting

:24:03.:24:08.

guarantee. Once again, therd were various conditions attached in

:24:09.:24:11.

guiding the requirement for the trust to provide more regul`r

:24:12.:24:14.

reports to the Department on the status of the project and on the

:24:15.:24:17.

steps they were taking to address the risks to it. Over the stmmer of

:24:18.:24:24.

this year and as a result of further delays to the construction

:24:25.:24:27.

timetable, the trust asked hf the underwriting guarantee could be

:24:28.:24:33.

extended beyond the Septembdr 2 16 deadline. The Department agreed last

:24:34.:24:38.

month that it could. But in such a way that the risks are more fairly

:24:39.:24:41.

shared between the government and the bridge's private sector hackers.

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The government will now unddrwrite ?9 million of cancellation costs

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should they arise with the private sector required to underwrite any

:24:53.:24:55.

additional cancellation costs above that level. The government continues

:24:56.:25:00.

its support for the project and indeed wishes it well but h`s made

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it clear to the trust that ht should not just be public money at risk if

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the project should fail. Thd challenge for the trust now is to

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focus efforts on getting prhvate sector backers to take some of the

:25:13.:25:16.

risk. We have also reiteratdd that the government has no intention of

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putting more than the ?30 mhllion originally pledged into this

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project. The bridge must be predominantly funded by the private

:25:26.:25:33.

sector. As things stand,... Which will come first, will the t`xpayer

:25:34.:25:37.

pick up the cancellation cost or will the private sector picked up

:25:38.:25:43.

the first tranche cancellathon costs? This would be a joint

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undertaking is my understanding but I will check the detail of `ny

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financial arrangements and report back to the gentleman. The bridge

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must be predominantly funded by the private sector and as things stand,

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at least two thirds of the funding will come from private donations. I

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understand there are many concerns around this project and I would like

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to talk about some of them. The honourable member for Vauxh`ll

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articulated them very clearly and in detail. The Garden Bridge trust was

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set up in 2014 to manage thd construction of the bridge. This

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experienced group of trusteds has complete control over the

:26:29.:26:32.

development and fundraising. The Department for Transport and

:26:33.:26:35.

transport for London speak to the trust on a regular basis to talk

:26:36.:26:43.

about ogress and concerns. ,- progress. A great deal of work has

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already happened and the huge amount of progress has been made. The land

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must be secured and permisshon to use the river obtained and `ll

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necessary land planning sectred These are all complex tasks which

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will take some time to achidve. There is still much work to be done

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before construction can start. But most issues are expected to be

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resolved soon. I thank him for giving way. The Minister max not be

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aware of it but I was made `ware today that the considerable part of

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the honourable lady member for Vauxhall's constituency on the

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Southbank will have to be demolished. Which is a tree,lined

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avenue, that will have to go. The question is, are we going to lose a

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tree-lined avenue and is th`t going to be the equivalent of what we are

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going to get on the Garden Bridge? I thank my honourable friend for his

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intervention. And the honourable lady for Vauxhall said 29 trees

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would be removed. I think the Garden Bridge trust would argue thdy would

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be more than replaced by an increased number of trees that could

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be planted. I am aware therd have been many concerns raised about the

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bridge and how people would use it and when. Let me clarify sole

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points. The bridge will principally be a footbridge. But will bd open to

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all, although cyclists will be asked to dismount when they cross. This is

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consistent with other foot paths in the area such as along the Southbank

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to ensure the of pedestrians. The minister might be aware that the

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Ramblers Association, who are not known to oppose anything th`t will

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help people walk, have made it clear that they oppose this because one of

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the conditions of going onto the bridge is that you can't go in a

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group. You can't be led in ` group so they will not be able to take

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their groups across the bridge. There are all of these diffdrent

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things that have been put into it. It is not going to be a garden or a

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bridge and it certainly can't be called the Garden Bridge. I was

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aware of the Ramblers objections but the bridge is certainly planned to

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be open to all and will include step free access and there will be no

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charge to use it. I am award there has been a media report that there

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would be bans on large groups but I understand that is not corrdct. They

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would be encouraged to phond in advance to see what times would be

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best for a large group to vhsit but there is no ban on large groups The

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bridge would be closed at mhdnight, in line with local attractions and

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transport facilities. This `gain is consistent with many other parks in

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London. I recognise in some cases they closed earlier, at dusk. There

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will also be some days or p`rts of days when the bridge is closed for a

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time. These will be limited and to ensure that income can be gdnerated

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to ensure the maintenance of the bridge is self funding. There will

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be a maximum of 12 of these days across the year. There are concerns

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about the land on the Southbank very clearly articulated thhs

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evening. I certainly sympathise with the loss of trees in this area. But,

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the Garden Bridge trust plan to plant over 270 trees on the bridge

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itself with thousands of bulbs and other plants to create a tr`nquil

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place which I hope would be used by residents in the area. I understand

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the concerns that have been voiced over how the trust is being run She

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made her point is very clearly. How public money is being spent and how

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much transparency around thd project. But it is also fair to say

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there have been several reports and investigations into this project.

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The London assembly reviewed the procurement process, the National

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Audit Office has reviewed the project. They are looking at how the

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Chaston -- the trust has bedn run as a charity. The fact they have taken

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place demonstrates the robust scrutiny that has been applhed to

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this project to ensure it is being run properly and we get the best

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value for money for the taxpayer. None of these scrutiny is would have

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happened just because the N`tional Audit Office decided, they happened

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because local people, counchllors and others campaigning have been so

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concerned about what was happening. We asked the National Audit Office

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to investigate and the GLA lembers, the investigations are still going

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on. So it is not completed. The fact they are being investigated, I don't

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think that is a sign that there are not huge problems and I think all

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kinds of things will come ott when this has finished. I recognhse there

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are many questions to answer. But the idea that this has been a

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project which has not had scrutiny either at local council or London

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assembly levels or national bodies is I think not quite fair. The

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procurement process itself hs certainly being reviewed. I know

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there were significant faults found with it. The honourable ladx

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mentioned that the trust has not published its accounts. But they

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have made lots of information public on its website about the

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expenditure. I mentioned thd trust has a funding agreement with TfL

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which is available online. Ht will be publishing its annual report

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which takes into account thhs year -- later this year.

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London's bridges over the ydars have had houses on them, people have

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traded on them. They have not been just thoroughfares, they have been

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marvellous examples of living and working and selling in the space

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above the river. Could the government be a little bit lore

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proactive and said this is going back to one of the great glories of

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our city. Those floral archds from one bank to the other, a marvellous

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vision. Articulate it more strongly, Minister, please! I will always

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struggle to match the oratorical style of the honourable member. I

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agree that when you see magnificent bridges around the world and

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including in London, they are inspiring sides. I recognisd

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entirely his wise words abott the views from London Bridges as they

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stand. As you look up and down the river it is positively marvdllous.

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Whether they are the best vhews in the world is open to question. Some

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of those best views could bd in the Harrogate area. We all have our

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favourite views. We have had interventions with people

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championing particular transport investments in their areas. Everyone

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has projects they wish to sde progress locally, but I hopd nobody

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could doubt the government's commitment to investment in

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transport. It is very hard to play off one scheme against another for

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comparison purposes and comparing different modes of transport in

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different regions, but the bottom line is members are always right to

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speak up for the areas and lembers are always right to speak up for

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hedgehogs, although my honotrable friend for Plymouth is not here any

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more. Yes. I'm grateful to Linister, but my point was the scheme in Hull,

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electrify the train line, w`s private sector money. It wasn't good

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to cost the Treasury or the Department for transport. The money

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was there from the private sector and yet we have waited two xears for

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a decision. I understood thd points, but some projects are very complex.

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They have a mixture of priv`te and public and it takes a long time to

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get them out the development phase into the construction phase. It s a

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comment on projects overall and not any individual project. Let me

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conclude, whilst I recognisd and understand the concerns raised by

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honourable member, raised bx other members in the house today, and I

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think the Garden Bridge at Shinnie is a unique and exciting project.

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The member for Ealing has asked me to be more euphoric in langtage

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well I think it certainly is an opportunity to showcase the

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ambition, creativity and talent which exists in this countrx. We see

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it in so many examples and transport is one way where we certainly need

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in the world. I think... Yes, you can. He has said very littld about

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some of the very important criticisms I made about the

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procurement process of, abott the way the scrutiny from City Hall was

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done by a company that was hnvolved in the Garden Bridge. Does he have

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no concerns, and I appreciate it is in the secrecy of this chamber,

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about some of the aspects of this whole project? Would he tell the

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house if by any chance this, hopefully this bridge project fails,

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will these blues any sleep over that -- will he lose any sleep over that?

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I see this as a project that could enhance this wonderful capital city.

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It busy has to be done corrdctly. The process up to now is not one I

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have been involved in. Would I lose sleep over it? Well, it could be a

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lost opportunity if we don't enhance what is already a wonderful part of

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our wonderful capital. I can see many examples around our cotntry

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where people are a little c`utious, perhaps a little sceptical `bout

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projects, but sometimes when they come to fruition or they stop the

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build, people realise just what they can be and this could well be one of

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those cases. I would hope that we would have a project to show that

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London is a thriving, creathve, bustling, ambitious city with all

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the talent in the world and it will show that London is opened the

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business and the government wishes it every success. The questhon is

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that this house do now adjotrned. The ayes have it.

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