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Order. Statement. The Prime Minister. | :00:07. | :00:13. | |
With permission I would likd to read a statement on the G20 summht in | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
China but before I turn to the G20, I would like to say something about | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
the process of Brexit. On 23rd of June, the British people were asked | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
to vote on whether we should stay in the EU or leave. The majority | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
decided to leave. Our task hs to deliver the will of the British | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
people and negotiate the best possible deal for our country. I | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
know many people are keen to see what rapid progress, to see rapid | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
progress and to understand what post Brexit Britain will look like. We | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
are getting on with the vit`l work but we must also think throtgh the | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
issues in a sober and considered weight and this is about getting the | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
kind of deal that is ambitious and bowled for Britain. It is not about | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
the Norway model, the Swiss model or any other country, it is about | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
developing our own British lodel. We will not take decisions unthl we are | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
ready, we will not reveal otr hand prematurely, and we will not provide | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
a running commentary on every twist and turn of negotiations. And I say | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
that because that is not thd best way to conduct a strong and mature | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
negotiation that would deliver the best deal for the people of this | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
country. As the Secretary of State for exiting the European Unhon told | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
the House on Monday, we will maximise and seize the opportunities | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
that Brexit presents. That hs the approach I took to the G20 summit. | :01:38. | :01:46. | |
This was the first time... This was the first time that the world's | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
leading economies have come together since the UK's decision to leave the | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
EU and it demonstrated the leading role we continue to play in the | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
world as a bold, ambitious `nd outward looking nation. Building on | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
our strength as a great trading nation, we were clear that we had to | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
resist a retreat to protecthonism and we had conversations about how | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
we can explore new bilateral trading negotiations with key partndrs | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
around the world. We initiated important discussions on responding | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
to rising globalisation sentiment and ensuring the world's economy | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
works for everyone. And we continue to play our part in working with our | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
allies to confront the clothing -- growing challenges of terrorism and | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
migration. Trading with partners around the globe has been the | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
foundation of our prosperitx in the past and it will underpin otr | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
prosperity in the future. Under my leadership, as we leave the EU, | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
Britain will seek to become the global leader in free trade. At this | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
summit we secured widespread agreement across the G20 to resist a | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
retreat to protectionism, including a specific agreement to extdnd the | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
rollback of protectionist mdasures until the end of 2018. The G20 all | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
so committed to ratify by the end of this year the WTO agreement to | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
reduce the costs and burdens of moving goods across borders and it | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
agreed to do more to encour`ge firms of all sizes, in particular female | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
lead firms, to take full advantage of global supply chains. Brhtain | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
also continued to press for an ambitious EU trade agenda, hncluding | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
in lamenting the EU- Canada deal and forging agreements with Jap`n and | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
America and we will continud to make these items as long as we are | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
members of the EU. But as wd leave the EU, we will also forge our own | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
new trade deals and I am pldased to say that just as the UK is pleased | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
to put -- seize the opportunities that leaving the EU represents, so | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
our international partners. They said they would welcomd talks | :03:44. | :03:55. | |
on removing barriers to trade between the countries. The | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
Australian tradesman is to visited yesterday to take part in | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
exploratory talks on the UK and Australia trade deal. In our | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
bilateral at the end of the summit, the president of China made clear | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
that China would welcome discussions on a trade agreement with the UK. As | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
we do more to advance free trade around the world, so we must also do | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
more to ensure working people really benefit from the opportunithes it | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
creates. Across the world today many feel these opportunitids do not | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
seem to come to them. They feel a lack of control over their lives. | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
They have a job but no job security, our home but worrying about paying | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
the mortgage. They are just about managing but life is hard. Ht is not | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
enough for governments to take a hands,off | :04:43. | :05:01. | |
approach. At this summit I `rgued that we need to deliver an dconomy | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
that works that everyone. Bold action at home and cooperathon | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
abroad. That is why in Brit`in we are developing a proper indtstrial | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
strategy to improve producthvity in every part of the country so more | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
people can share in our prosperity through higher real wages and | :05:12. | :05:12. | |
greater opportunities for young people. And to restore greater | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
fairness we will be consulthng on new measures to tackle corporate | :05:16. | :05:16. | |
irresponsibility. Cracking down on excessive corporate pay, poor | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
corporate governance and tax avoidance. And giving custolers | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
representations on company boards. At the G20, this mission of ensuring | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
the comedy works for everyone was echoed by other leaders. Thhs is an | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
agenda that Britain will continue to lead in the months and years ahead. | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
Together we agreed to continue efforts to fight corruption. | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
Building on the London Summht and doing more to prevent aggressive tax | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
avoidance, stopping companids avoiding tax by shifting profits to | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
one jurisdiction from anothdr. We agree to work together to address | :05:48. | :05:54. | |
the causes of global industries and is such as this cyst steel hndustry. | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
And also deal with market distortions. All of the steps are | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
important if we aren't to rdtain support for free trade and The Open | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
economies that are the bedrock of global growth. Turning to global | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
security, Britain remains at the heart of the fight and we dhscussed | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
the need for plans to prevent foreign fighters dispersing from | :06:19. | :06:26. | |
Irani, Syria and Libya. We want to limit the financing of all terrorist | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
organisations and more action to improve safety and security in the | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
aviation industry. We hope some things will be adopted by the end of | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
this month. We also need to confront the ideology that underpins this | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
terrorism. That means addressing both violent and non-violent | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
extremism and working across borders to tackle radicalisation online | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
Turning to the migration crhsis Britain will continue to medt its | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
obligations to the poorest hn the world and support refugees. We will | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
make further commitments at President Obama's summit in New York | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
later this month. At the G20 I also argued that we cannot shy away from | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
dealing with illegal migrathon. I will be returning to this at the UN | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
General Assembly. We need to improve how we distinguish between refugees | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
and economic migrants. This will allow economies to benefit from | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
controlled migration and we will be able to get more help to refugees | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
who need it and retain popular support for doing so. This doesn't | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
just protect our own people. By reducing the scope for the lass | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
population movements we are seeing today and investing the unddrlying | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
drivers of mass migration at source, we can achieve better outcoles for | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
the migrants themselves. As part of this new approach we need a more | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
concerted effort to address modern slavery. This sickening trade, often | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
using the same criminal networks that facilitate illegal migration is | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
an affront to our humanity `nd I want Britain leading a glob`l effort | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
to stamp it out. Mr Speaker, when the British people voted to leave | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
the European Union, they did not vote to leave Europe. To turn | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
inwards or to walk away frol the G20 or our international partners around | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
the world. That has never bden the British way. We have always | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
understood that our success as a sovereign nation is in a strip of | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
the bound in trade and coopdration with others. By building on existing | :08:26. | :08:32. | |
relationships and shaping an ambitious global role, we whll make | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
a successful exit for us and our European partners and continue to | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
strengthen the prosperity of generations to come and I commend | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
this statement to the house. Jeremy Kerley bin. I would like to thank | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
the Prime Minister for her statement on the G20's Summit and givhng me an | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
advanced copy of it. I first went to China in 1998 to attend a United | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
Nations conference on human rights. The same year, the European | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
Convention on human rights was incorporated into UK law in our | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
Human Rights Act. That legislation has protected the liberties of our | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
people and held successive British governments to account. Which is why | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
on this side of the house wd share the concerns of so many at the | :09:21. | :09:30. | |
government's plans to repeal the Human Rights Act. The Prime Minister | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
said she would not reveal hdr hand on this subject, nobody would blame | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
her because she has revealed her hand or the government's many hands | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
on this particular thing. They are unclear what they are trying to do. | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
The G20 met in wake of the vote to leave the European Union. Wd accept | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
the decision taken by the m`jority of our people but however, we cannot | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
ignore this fact that the ottcome has left this country dividdd. With | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
increased levels of hate crhmes my huge uncertainty about what comes | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
next for our country and an extraordinary lack of plannhng and | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
preparation on how to navig`te the post-referendum situation in | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
relation to Europe. That uncertainty and division has been made worse by | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
the government's ministers Lydia Ko posturing and often contradhctory | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
messages which do not seem to add up to a considered position. Ydsterday, | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
the Brexit secretary said staying in the single market was improbable, | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
the Prime Minister's spokeslan said it was not the case, it is one or | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
the other, it can't be both. Can the Prime Minister tell the house what | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
the government's policy acttally is? The negotiation for Britain's | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
withdrawal from the EU must focus on expanding trade, jobs and | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
investment. Defending social employment and environmental | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
protections and as many colleagues have raised during prime ministers | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
questions, the uncertainty facing the universities for exampld, the | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
member for Bristol West raised the issue, they need certainty of their | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
relationship with European universities immediately. It cannot | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
wait. Hahnemann and the public cannot be sidelined in this from the | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
greatest constitutional change this country has embarked on in 20 years. | :11:24. | :11:33. | |
Corporate globalisation is `n issue and has to be addressed. I `m | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
pleased the T20 did address it. The T20 was formed in response to the | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
global financial crisis of 2008 A devastating event triggered by | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
reckless deregulation of thd financial sector. It is a model of | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
running the global economy that the Prime Minister and acknowledges has | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
produced huge increases in inequality and failed in its own | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
terms. I raised this issue with President Obama during his visit | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
earlier this year. It is cldar that rising levels of inequality in all | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
of our economy is fuel insecurities and put people and communithes | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
against each other. It has been 40 years since Britain has had to | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
engage in high lateral tradd negotiations. The free-tradd | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
government the pro-Minister spoke of has often been pursued at the | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
expense of the worlds most fragile economies. It has been realhsed with | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
destructive consequences for our environment. We need a UK trade | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
agenda that protects people and the environment and I urge the Prime | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
Minister to stand with me against the use of Britain's aid and trade | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
policies to further the agenda of deregulation and privatisathon in | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
developing countries. We nedd a trade policy values human rhghts and | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
human dignity. In particular, in particular, could the Prime Minister | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
informed the house about her talks with the Chinese president hn two | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
crucial areas? The first I raised in my meeting with him last autumn The | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
UK steel industry continues to face deeply challenging times. A key | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
reason for this is the sale of cheap subsidised Chinese steel th`t is | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
flooding the European markets. What assurances did the Chinese president | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
give that this practice will stop and stop now because of the damage | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
it is doing to the steel industry in this country and others? On the | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
question of Hinckley, drink the summer, the Prime Minister `nnounced | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
she was postponing the decision on the new nuclear reactor at Hinkley | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
point. Could the Prime Minister take this opportunity to explain why she | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
decided to postpone the dechsion and could she also point at which aspect | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
of the contract she is re-examining? Finally, the Prime Minister was | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
involved in discussions at the G20 around global challenges to | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
security. As the convex brutal conflicts continue across the Middle | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
East, we need a concerted global response to these challenges. The | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
human cost of the refugee crisis and the thousands downing in thd sea | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
each year must be our number one concern and our number-1 | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
humanitarian response. That is why I remain concerned that at thd heart | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
of this government's Security strategy is increased arms dxports | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
to the very part of the world that most immediately threatens the | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
security. The British government continues to sell arms to S`udi | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
Arabia which are being used to commit crimes against humanhty in | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
Yemen. Which has been clearly detailed by the UN and other | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
agencies. Will the Prime Minister commit today to halting arms sales | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
to Saudi Arabia that have bden used to prosecute this war in Yelen with | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
the humanitarian devastation that has resulted from that? Thank you Mr | :15:02. | :15:09. | |
Speaker. The Right Honourable gentleman raised a number of issues. | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
May I comment, he raised and referred to the question of hate | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
crimes that have taken placd in the United Kingdom. We have abott | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
history in the UK welcoming people to this country and there is no | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
place in this society for h`te crimes. The government has published | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
a new action plan against h`te crime and we are concerned about the level | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
of hate crime we have seen. The Foreign Secretary and Home Secretary | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
met Polish ministers this wdek to discuss the particular concdrn about | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
attacks that have taken place on Polish people here in the UK. We | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
were very clear and the polhce are clear that they will, anyond who has | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
been a victim of hate crime allegations taking place should take | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
those allegations to the police He talked about the issue of what we | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
will be doing in negotiations with the European Union. I coverdd this | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
in my statement of what we will be doing as we negotiate our ldaving | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
from the EU is to negotiate a new relationship with the Europdan | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
Union. That will include control on the movement of people from the EU | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
to the UK. I don't think he referred to that. It will also be about | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
getting the right deal for trade in goods and services that we want to | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
see. It will be a new relathonship. As I indicated in my statemdnt and | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
in prime ministers questions earlier, I will not be giving a | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
running commentary and the government will not. And thdre is a | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
good reason for that, we want to get the best deal. We want to gdt the | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
right deal for the United Khngdom. If we were to give a constant | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
running commentary and give away our negotiating hand, that would not be | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
what we achieve. He referred to the issue of steel, I raised thd issue | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
of overproduction, this was important because it was not just | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
being raised with the Chinese government but with all of the | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
leaders around that table. Crucially the G20 have recognised the | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
significance of this and recognised the issue of the steps that some | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
governments are taking which are leading to some of the problems that | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
we see, that is why the new forum has been introduced which whll look | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
at these issues and the Chinese will be sitting on that forum. | :17:26. | :17:34. | |
I don't just take a decision without looking at the analysis, I `m | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
looking at the details, looking at the analysis, and a decision will be | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
taken later this month. On Saudi Arabia, I met the deputy Prhnce at | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
the G20. I did raise with hhm the concerns about reports of what might | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
have happened in the Yemen. I insisted that these should be | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
properly investigated. But the Leader of the Opposition sahd that | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
in relation to our relations with Saudi Arabia, he referred to what | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
happens in Saudi Arabia as being, I think he implied that it was a | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
threat to the safety of people in the UK. What matters is the strength | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
of our relationship with Satdi Arabia on issues like dealing with | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
terrorism, counterterrorism issues. It is that relationship that has | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
helped keep people on the streets of Britain safe. And can I just say to | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
the Right honourable gentlelan, I have a very clear view, as does the | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
Conservative Party on this side of the House, that if we are going to | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
see prosperity and growth in the economies around the world, the way | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
to get there is through fred trade. Free trade has underpinned the | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
prosperity of this country. I will take no lessons from the right | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
honourable gentleman on acthon to help developing countries and those | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
who are in poverty elsewherd in the world because of this government has | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
a fine record in terms of what we have them in humanitarian stpport, | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
in educating girls and others around the world and in helping people to | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
have access to medical care, water and the resources they need. But it | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
is a free trade that underphns our growth. We will be the glob`l leader | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
in free trade and it is also the best anti-poverty policy for those | :19:21. | :19:28. | |
countries. I will be an unashamed, unashamedly will go out there and | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
give the message that we want a free-trade country and I am only | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
sorry that the Labour Party is turning its back on something that | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
has led to the prosperity of the United Kingdom. | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
May I congratulate my right honourable friend on her emphatic | :19:45. | :19:52. | |
support for free trade? In the European Union, we currentlx run a | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
deficit with the other 27 mdmber states, according to the Office of | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
National Statistics, of ?62 billion a year. However, we run a strplus | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
with the same goods and services with the rest of the world which | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
went up by around ?10 billion last year alone. Will my right honourable | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
friend continue her crusade for free trade to develop our world | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
opportunities through Brexit and Jim assured that the European Commission | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
and the European Union no longer continues to run our trade policy, | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
we will do it ourselves and do it really well. | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
My honourable friend is right, we have an opportunity and I w`nt to | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
make sure that we are ambithous in seizing those opportunities to | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
develop those trade deals around the world. We will be developing that | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
new relationship with the Etropean Union which will be, part of which, | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
will be how we trade with the EU in relation to goods and services, but | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
we have the opportunity to develop those trading relationships around | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
the rest of the world. We c`n't formally have those deals in place | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
and operating until we leavd the European Union but we can do the | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
gravitation -- preparation to make sure they are there when we need | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
them. Can I thank the Prime Minister for | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
an advanced copy of this st`tement. The G20 summit was very much cast | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
with the Brexit vote and her own Brexit brainstorming from the | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
previous week. I read one rdport about it that said what Brexit | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
appeared to mean at the G20 was the Prime Minister getting shunted to | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
the back of the role of the leaders group photo, being briefed `gainst | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
by the Americans and the Japanese, and being left to pick up the fact | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
that Mexico, Australia and Singapore have expressed a vague interest in | :21:42. | :21:54. | |
doing trade deals. The Consdrvatives on the other side don't likd it but | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
this is how other countries are viewing the UK internationally. G20 | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
leaders are as keen as this all to actually learn what on earth the UK | :22:01. | :22:02. | |
Government's plans are for leaving the European Union. I asked the | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
Prime Minister twice during Prime Minister's Questions a really simple | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
question and since then she has said, and I quote, she is not giving | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
a running commentary, which seems more like no commentary whatsoever, | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
and she is not going to comlent on every twist and turn. Being a full | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
member of the European single market is not a twist, it is not a turn, it | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
is absolutely fundamental to business across the United Kingdom. | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
Does she seriously expect to be able to hold out for years in not | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
confirming whether she wants the UK to remain a full member of the | :22:36. | :22:43. | |
single market? Can she tell us now, does she want the UK to rem`in fully | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
within the single market? Yds or no? On trade, we know that the Tnited | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
States and pretty much everx other country wants a trade deal with the | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
European Union ahead of the United Kingdom and trade deal with the UK | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
only after it leaves the European Union. Can the Prime Ministdr tell | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
us how many trade negotiators the UK Government has actually hirdd since | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
the referendum? On immigrathon, we learned that the promise of a | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
points-based immigration system is ditched. At the same time, the UK | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
Government have plans to drhll blaze a policy first mooted by Donald | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
Trump and build a wall. Is the Prime Minister not totally ashamed? Surely | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
she can come up with somethhng better than this. And on spdcific | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
funding questions, voters wdre promised if they voted leavd that | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
the National Health Service would receive an extra ?350 million a | :23:38. | :23:46. | |
week, a week! Will be Prime Minister confirmed that this promise, like | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
the immigration promise madd by the league campaign, is being broken? Mr | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
Speaker, a very important qtestion that matters to a lot of people in | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
postal communities -- coast`l communities in Scotland is `bout the | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
funding that they were due to receive of more than 100 million | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
euros from the European Marhtime and fisheries fund between now `nd 023. | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
There has been no commitment whatsoever from the UK Government to | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
honour that funding round. Will she give it now? Mr Speaker, it has been | :24:23. | :24:31. | |
very problematic in recent weeks to have to deal with a situation where | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
the Prime Minister's party has suggested that EU citizens shouldn't | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
participate fully in Scottish public life. We on these benches totally | :24:41. | :24:48. | |
repudiate that narrow-minded, racist and xenophobic position. Thd Prime | :24:49. | :24:56. | |
Minister is shaking her head. She should be aware of this. Will she | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
take the opportunity to this associate her party from thhs, | :25:02. | :25:08. | |
apologise for it and confirl that we value the contribution of Etropean | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
Union citizens living in thhs country and we are grateful for it? | :25:12. | :25:21. | |
Finally, Mr Speaker,... As the right honourable gentleman has taken twice | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
as much time as he was allocated, I trust his last sentence will be a | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
pity one. And the Prime Minhster has not had time yet to make an oral | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
statement to the House on the important matter of the Est`tes | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
review of the MoD so will she confirmed the commitment thd | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
government has given to comlunities that they will be consultathon with | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
them before final decision `nd announcements are made? It's an | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
extremely important matter but it is not obvious to me how it appertains | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
to the G20. I will try and limit my response to | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
the key issues in -- that I referred to in my statement. Can I jtst say | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
on this issue of immigration, the right honourable gentleman says a | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
points-based system has been rejected. What the people of the | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
United Kingdom will before on the 23rd of June as part of the vote to | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
leave the European Union was to have control over people who are moving | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
from the European Union into the United Kingdom. A points-based | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
system does not give you th`t control. What it does is it means | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
that anybody who meets a certain set of criteria is automaticallx allowed | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
to enter the country. It dods not give the country the opporttnity of | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
the control and making the decisions as to who can enter the country And | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
it is that degree of control, that issue of control, that we whll be | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
looking for as we decide thd relationship we are going to have | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
with the European Union in food He said a lot about trade deals with | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
other countries, about opportunities, and so forth. What I | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
saw at the G20 and my discussions with a number of other world leaders | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
was a great willingness to seize the opportunities that come frol the UK | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
leaving the European Union, to do exactly the sort of trade ddals that | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
my Honourable Friend has just been referring to. I think we should as | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
a United Kingdom, be willing to seize those opportunities. We should | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
be ambitious in the deals wd wish to do around the world. We shotld be | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
the global leader in free trade we should be taking those opportunities | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
and ensuring that as we leave the European Union, we are able to have | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
the relationships that will ensure growth and prosperity for the whole | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
of the United Kingdom, incltding growth and prosperity for Scotland. | :27:46. | :27:56. | |
Crispin Blunt. At the G20 whth the Saudi deputy crown is, you will have | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
met the Saudi Foreign Minister who is now in London. Is she as | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
delighted as I am that you lake clear to parliamentarians this | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
morning that we can now add the GCC to the list of those parts of the | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
world seeking an early tradd deal with the United Kingdom? I dcho the | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
comments of my honourable friend. I am pleased that has been rehterated. | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
It was an issue I discussed with the deputy crown in is and I am pleased | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
the GCC are in a position to. Mr Tim Farron. I thank the Prime Mhnister | :28:27. | :28:34. | |
for his statement. Now Australia today has joined America at the G20 | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
last week in slapping down her government, telling us we are at the | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
back of the queue for a trade deal, the plain fact is that this | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
government is not concealing its hand, it hasn't got a hand or, it | :28:47. | :28:53. | |
would appear, a clue. Will the Prime Minister take this opportunhty to | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
reassure business and confirm that we will remain a member of the | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
European single market and will she agree with me that we trustdd the | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
British people with the question of our departure so we should trust | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
them with the question of otr destination and put whatever deal | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
she negotiates to the British people in a referendum? Can I say to the | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
honourable gentleman, he refers to the remarks that have been lade by | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
the Australian Trade Ministdr, what he has done is simply to set out | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
what the legal position is. I mentioned it in response to an | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
earlier point and the legal position is this, that we are not able to | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
finally sign or put into pl`ce, or put into practice trade deals with | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
other countries while we relain a member of the European Union. That | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
is the situation. It doesn't mean we can't prepare for that, it doesn't | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
mean we can't be negotiating about that, but what I am also very clear | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
about is that as long as we are full members of the European Union, until | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
we leave, we will be advocates for free trade, we will be advocates for | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
those trade deals that the Duropean Union is negotiating with other | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
countries. I gave that commhtment to the Canada trade deal, I have given | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
that commitment to President Obama in relation to teeter and the | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
negotiation on that. We will pray our full part but we will bd looking | :30:13. | :30:26. | |
to... Can I congratulate thd Prime Minister on the way she quite | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
rightly puts forward the huge benefits of free trade. But I know | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
that she will be aware and share the concerns, notably the financial and | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
automotive sector, about anx consequences if we were to `bandon | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
our membership of the singld market, which ensures that we can trade free | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
of customs duties and with `ll the benefits that it confers. And while | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
she is right to say that we don t want a running commentary on what | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
now faces is, could I urge xou to consider we do need some prhnciples. | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
And what assurances can she did was about customs duties and tariffs and | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
our membership of that single market? I absolutely recognhse the | :31:06. | :31:12. | |
important role in our automotive industry plays in the United | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
Kingdom. I was very pleased a few days ago to visit Jaguar Land Rover | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
and to see the huge success that has been made of that company and the | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
extra employment they have brought. The growth that continues in that | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
company. As regards this issue of the language that is used about | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
membership of the single market access to the single market and so | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
forth, what I would say to ly honourable friend is this, what I | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
said earlier is, we want thd right deal for trade in goods and services | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
for the United Kingdom. This is about saying when we are outside the | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
European Union, what is the right relationship for us to have with the | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
European Union on trade. Th`t is why I think it is important for us not | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
to simply think of this as trying to replicate something here or | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
something there but actuallx say, what is the deal we want for the | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
future? That is the work th`t the Department for exiting the Duropean | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
Union is doing at the moment, looking and particularly talking to | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
different sectors, and the automotive industry will be one of | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
those sectors, to ask what ht is they will be looking for, what they | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
want to see, so we can forgd that deal and then go out there, be | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
ambitious and get it. Hilarx Benn. Three months ago the intern`tional | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
Syria support group agreed to back as a last resort airdrops to deliver | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
much needed humanitarian supplies to the siege areas of that country | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
including Aleppo. Since then, the only thing that has arrived from the | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
sky is Russian missiles and Syrian ballot -- barrel bombs, including it | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
is alleged yesterday, chlorhne, a banned chemical weapons. Can the | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
primates that tell us about the situation in Syria, whether that | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
commitment still holds and when she expects humanitarian relief to | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
finally get through by whatdver means to people who have suffered | :33:03. | :33:03. | |
for so long? I think I can give reassurance that | :33:04. | :33:14. | |
that commitment is still thdre. It has been extended difficult for the | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
delivery of that commitment. The issue of humanitarian aid gdtting | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
into Aleppo is one I raised with President bladder may Putin in my | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
discussions with him. He refers to concern about the kind of wdapon new | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
used by the Syrian regime. ,- the kind of weaponry. We have bden clear | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
in our opposition, as he will know, to what has happened. Can vdry | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
concerned about the reports coming forward. It is important those | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
reports are properly looked at. Longer term we remain committed to a | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
political transition in Syrha. That political transition will bd one to | :33:56. | :34:03. | |
Syria without President Ass`d. I am pleased to hear the Prime | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
Minister's. Bought for free,trade being the underpinning of otr | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
prosperity in Britain and across the world. I had thought until `nd | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
listened to the Leader of the Opposition that that was widely | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
shared on both sides of the house. Given that it isn't and the worrying | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
Norse -- noises we are hearhng from both candidates in the US election, | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
which don't seem terribly enthusiastic about free trade. Can | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
she make it upon a sea of hdr government to campaign both in the | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
United Kingdom on the merits of free trade but also on the global stage? | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
Can I say to my right honourable friend, he expressed his surprise, | :34:44. | :34:45. | |
there was surprise on this side of the house when the Leader of the | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
Opposition showed his hand that he was not in favour of free trade I | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
suspect there are many membdrs on the Labour Party benches who were | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
surprised to hear this is the policy of the Labour Party. We will be | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
strong advocates for free-trade as my right honourable friend has | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
suggested. We will be ensurhng we take that message through. @s he | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
says, it is free trade that underspend is our prosperitx. Like | :35:12. | :35:19. | |
the previous member, we unddrstand these are early stages for | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
negotiations but it would bd helpful to know what she values in those | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
negotiations and her aims. She talked a lot about free trade but is | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
resisting what she aptly thhnks and the two at a special free trade in | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
Europe which is the single larket. Please could you tell us and clear | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
up the confusion from yesterday a Shia value membership of thd single | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
market and should it be an `im or objective of the negotiations and | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
that we should be trying to stay in it if we can? I have to say to the | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
right honourable lady I havd answered this question on a number | :35:54. | :36:01. | |
of occasions already today. She will find that people ask a question and | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
I give an answer, and if thdy keep asking the same question, they will | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
get the same answer. That is perfectly reasonable and perfectly | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
normal. The aim is to get the right deal in trade and goods and services | :36:14. | :36:20. | |
with the EU but this will bd a new relationship. We will be looking to | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
develop a new model of the relationship between the UK and the | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
European Union. We will not, as I said earlier, the setting ott every | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
bit of our negotiating hand in advance of entering those | :36:34. | :36:35. | |
negotiations because that would be the best way to come out with the | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
worst deal. Can I welcome mx right honourable friend's statement, not | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
least what you said about the international concern about some of | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
the edges of the market economy that must be made to work for evdryone. | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
On global security, could I ask her to firmly back and support the | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
attempt being made in London by the Syrian coalition to bring forward | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
their own proposals to settle the matter? Could she urge the | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
respective powers an interest, competing interests in Syri` that | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
the longer they go fighting over the bodies of the people of Syrha, the | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
more the risk to global sectrity will continue and this opportunity | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
be presented in London is one that should be taken? I absolutely agree | :37:23. | :37:24. | |
with the comments my right honourable friend has made. This is | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
an important point with the Syrian coalition coming together and the | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
meeting taking place here. H also agree that as we look at global | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
security, that what we want to see, the best thing for global sdcurity | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
is an end to the conflict t`king place in Syria. I continue to | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
believe that as the conflict continues in Syria and the `ctions | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
of the Syrian regime under President Assad, it is that what we s`w | :37:52. | :37:59. | |
encouraging people to join terrorist organisations and fight and | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
potentially come and return to other countries and conduct terrorist | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
attacks. We must see and ensure that we are playing our part, as I | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
believe the UK is today, in hosting the Syrian opposition in thdse talks | :38:15. | :38:21. | |
and bring an end to the conflict. Can I thank the Prime Minister for | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
her statement and commend hdr for her common sense realism in terms of | :38:25. | :38:31. | |
her approach to negotiating our exit from the European Union. It is not | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
clear that a lot of the criticisms and commentary coming from those who | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
were on the remains I'd demonstrates a lack of respect for the ddcision | :38:42. | :38:48. | |
made by the UK as a whole, ht is now about getting on and making the best | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
of that in the way she is proposing. I offer her our support on these | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
benches and in our party and the First Minister of Northern Hreland | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
to achieve the best possibld deal for all of the United Kingdom and | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
Northern Ireland in particular. On terrorism, can I ask, can she ensure | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
that more action is done to bring about greater deterrence for those | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
who preach hatred and radic`lisation of young people in the Unitdd | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
Kingdom. More needs to be done to send strong sentences out that will | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
act as a deterrent in futurd? I thank him for his support for the | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
government in the approach we are taking. As he says, I think it is | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
the sensible way to go forw`rd in these negotiations. I want to ensure | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
the interests of Northern Ireland are fully taken into account in what | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
we do and that is the message I gave when I visited Northern Ireland | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
shortly after I became Primd Minister and that I have given to | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
all devolved administrations. We want that engagement to makd sure | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
the interests of the whole of the United Kingdom are taken into | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
account. On the issue of terrorism, it is important we deal with those | :40:00. | :40:07. | |
who preach hatred. We saw the sentence yesterday and Jim Choudary, | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
the whole question of radic`lisation of young people particularlx and the | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
radicalisation of people generally. Online or in other ways, it is an | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
important one that we need to address. I want to see, as he says, | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
sentences that give a clear message that this is not accept a b`ll | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
activity for people to be involved in. We need to do the work we are | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
doing through the counterterrorism Internet referral unit and the work | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
in Europe on this and the work we are doing to promote mainstream | :40:40. | :40:47. | |
voices against preachers of hate. From her discussions with other | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
world leaders at the G20, whll my right honourable friend enstre that | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
small and medium-sized businesses are at the heart of future trade | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
negotiations? Including the many successful local businesses that | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
will be attending my jobs f`ir on Friday. Can I commend right | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
honourable friend for holding her jobs fair on Friday. I am stre there | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
will be many opportunities given by local businesses there and lany | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
people able to take those opportunities up and benefit from | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
that. Small and medium-sized businesses will play an important | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
role. Earlier in the summer I had a meeting with a number of sm`ll and | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
medium-sized businesses and what struck me was their optimisl about | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
the opportunities now avail`ble to the United Kingdom and their | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
willingness to play their p`rt in taking up those opportunitids and | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
encouraging prosperity that we want for everyone in our country. Does | :41:47. | :41:53. | |
she accept that like all economies with an ageing population, they need | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
labour to thrive. Would it not be an ActiveX dream self harm for us to | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
give up full and unfettered access to the single market out of a | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
dogmatic and arbitrary desire to reduce immigration? I will say that | :42:08. | :42:13. | |
it is not arbitrary and doglatic desire to reduce immigration. We | :42:14. | :42:20. | |
recognise the impact that uncontrolled immigration can have on | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
people. The tickly those at the lower end of the income scale bass | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
macro scale. He needs to consider carefully the message but if people | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
gave in the vote on the 23rd of June. That boat told us thex wanted | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
to see the government take control of people moving from the Etropean | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
Union into the United Kingdom, that is what we will do. If you come to | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
my constituency along the a 45, you will see the rust and Lex rdtail | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
development going up and thd huge steel constructions and the Leader | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
of the Opposition will be pleased to know that it is 100% British Steel | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
being used. Does not coming out of the EU give us an opportunity if | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
necessary to deal with Chindse dumping of steel? Could I ask the | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
Prime Minister in particular whether she will find time next year to come | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
and see Rushton Lakes and in particular, they have some very good | :43:23. | :43:31. | |
shoe shops? I think my honotrable friend may just have sealed the deal | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
Mr Speaker. Can I commend and welcome the fact that Rushton Lakes | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
develop and is using 100% UK steel. That is very good. We need to look | :43:43. | :43:48. | |
at this issue of overcapacity and overproduction, not just as an | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
individual country but glob`lly That is why it was so important it | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
was on the agenda at the G20 and the new report has been sent up with | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
Chinese representation. I bdlieve in fair taxes as well as free trade and | :44:04. | :44:10. | |
enterprise, it has been said that if the amount of tax that was owed to | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
developing countries was pahd, it would far dwarf that amount of | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
support they get through international aid. Can I ask the | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
Prime Minister, given her statements on tax avoidance and we havd a | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
country by country reporting enshrined in law, how will she make | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
that a priority for the G20? I was able to point out in my | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
interventions at the G20 thhs issue about tax avoidance. The G20 has | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
been playing a leading role in addressing this issue and in | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
galvanising action on this hssue. A number of initiatives have taken | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
place both in relation to the question of those people able to try | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
and use different jurisdicthons to resist the payment of tax that is | :44:59. | :45:05. | |
you. That action is being t`ken We will push forward on that | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
initiative. There are other things, providing support to developing | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
countries so they can collect tax within those countries that is | :45:13. | :45:20. | |
needed and should be collected. And the other tax initiatives are | :45:21. | :45:23. | |
important. We have played a leading role on this and the G20 is now | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
playing an important global role. Could I congratulate my right | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
honourable friend on the opportunity for the G20's summit to raise the | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
issue of modern slavery. Can the Prime Minister outline what further | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
steps can be taken to engagd with countries around the world to | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
eradicate this evil practicd? I am grateful to her for raising this | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
question. It is hugely important, it is a heinous crime and we nded to do | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
more about it. I have been encouraging people in other | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
countries to look at the inhtiative we have taken and the legislation we | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
have taken. Our modern slavdry act is the first of its kind but there | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
is more we can do with law enforcement agencies working | :46:09. | :46:11. | |
together and other government agencies working together to ensure | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
we stamp out the terrible organised crime groups that are behind this | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
terrible crime of modern sl`very. In doing that, we must never forget | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
that it takes place here in the UK with UK individuals being t`ken into | :46:25. | :46:29. | |
slavery as well. It is not just a global issue. We need to act | :46:30. | :46:36. | |
globally and locally. Why dhd the pie Mr authorise a republic pressing | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
down of the Brexit secretarx for merely telling the house th`t | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
membership of the single market and free movement of people tend to go | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
together. Is it not possibld that the Brexit secretary who has | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
believed in this the years has thought about it more deeplx over | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
the years than the Prime Minister who has thought about Brexit for a | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
few weeks. Misleading the house as opposed to the odd occasion of | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
someone telling the truth. H don't recognise the picture that the right | :47:07. | :47:14. | |
honourable gentleman has lahd out. The Secretary of State was saying it | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
was not a 0-sum game. As I have said in response to other questions, the | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
government is clear that we are going to go out and get the right | :47:21. | :47:27. | |
deal for the United Kingdom. We are negotiating a new relationship with | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
the EU. Isn't it vital in this Brexit period that we maint`in | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
confidence, is it not the c`se that with the opportunity to forge new | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
global trade deals with record low interest rates and the opportunity | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
to free ourselves from burddnsome regulation, now is a golden time to | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
invest in the United Kingdol. We'll see use forums like the G20 to make | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
this case? I thank him, I al happy to do so and I was doing th`t at the | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
G20's summit. It is also thd case that I think we must welcomd the | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
vote of confidence that has been given in the United Kingdom since | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
the vote to leave the EU took place. The single biggest vote of | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
confidence came from Japanese company Softbank with a big | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
investment. We have seen investment from other companies like b`ck so | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
SmithKline. This is the timd to be confident about the British economy. | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
The fundamentals are very strong and we want to encourage that investment | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
to take place in the UK and that is exactly what this government will be | :48:32. | :48:33. | |
doing. The Secretary of State for leaving | :48:34. | :48:45. | |
the European Union wrote in July, I would expect the new Prime Linister | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
on September the 9th to immddiately trigger a large round of global | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. Can I ask | :48:55. | :49:01. | |
the Prime Minister, can she confirm that she will be able to trhgger | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
these deals in two days' tile, on Friday, as predicted by her | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
Secretary of State and which countries will be involved. I say to | :49:11. | :49:17. | |
the Right honourable gentlelan, I have been involved in discussions | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
with countries on free tradd deals that we can develop. I was doing | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
that at the weekend at the G20 summit with a number of countries. I | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
listed some of them in my statement earlier. There were others too. I am | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
pleased at the opportunities we now have and the willingness th`t other | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
countries have to sit down `round the table and talk to us about trade | :49:39. | :49:46. | |
deals. Nigel Mills. For trade to be free and work for everyone, it needs | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
to be free of corruption. C`n she update the House on tackling | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
corruption at the summit. Pdrhaps explain how some of the countries at | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
the summit who are less keen to take action responded to that. Mx | :50:00. | :50:07. | |
honourable friend is absolutely right, it is important that we deal | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
with corruption if we are going to be able to CDs free trade ddals | :50:11. | :50:16. | |
around the world, but for some countries it is corruption that gets | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
in the way of being able to develop their economies and people hn those | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
countries being able to takd the benefits that economic development | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
can bring. The G20 was colldctively clear that they wanted to continue | :50:32. | :50:35. | |
the anti-corruption work th`t is being done. I myself made specific | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
reference to the International anti-corruption coordination centre, | :50:41. | :50:46. | |
which were setting up in London and a number of countries are joining us | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
in that. That is going to bd one part of the action that we need to | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
take back the G20 was very clear that we need to continue to press on | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
the outcomes of the anti-corruption Summit that we had in London. Many | :50:59. | :51:06. | |
people are not getting a sh`re of globalisation, especially in this | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
country. Could I ask the Prhme Minister what specific meastres she | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
and her other leaders agreed at the G20 to deal with that probldm, | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
making sure that the benefits of globalisation are given out more | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
equally? The honourable gentleman is right and as I referred to hn my | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
statement, there was a colldctive agreement, echoing comments that I | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
made for the United Kingdom, that we need to make sure that the benefits | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
of globalisation are truly shared among people. There are number of | :51:35. | :51:39. | |
steps that we need to do to ensure that. In some countries it hs about | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
with corruption. There is a number of other areas. I referred darlier | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
to the work we are going to take on corporate irresponsibility. That was | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
picked up and echoed by a ntmber of readers around the G20 tabld so our | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
commitment remains absolutely strong. Smith. I very much welcome | :51:57. | :52:04. | |
the government's announcement this week that it plans to ban plastic | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
micro beads in many cosmetic products, including face scrubs and | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
toothpastes. I would request that as well as the moral stance th`t this | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
government takes at forums like the G20 on anti-slavery and on dnsuring | :52:24. | :52:31. | |
free markets, that we continue to be world leaders in environmental | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
policies and forwarding those so that we can protect our marhne | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
wildlife and the rest of thd planet. I thank my honourable friend for the | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
comments he has made for thd decision we have taken on mhcro | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
beads. They clearly have an impact on marine life and it is right that | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
we are banning those in certain products. But this is anothdr area | :52:51. | :52:57. | |
where the UK can be leading. We seem to be leading on issues likd climate | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
change and I think this widdr area of environmental concerns is one in | :53:03. | :53:10. | |
which we can lead to. Public services are exempt from all current | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
EU negotiated trade deals which the UK is party to. Will she colmitted | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
aid to a public services exdmption cause from all future post Brexit | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
trade deals as the appointed trade Secretary fade to do so in ts to a | :53:24. | :53:29. | |
question from myself. I refdr to the honourable gentleman to the | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
references I made earlier to the sort of approach we are takhng where | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
we are not setting out at this stage the details of any particul`r | :53:37. | :53:39. | |
negotiation that we are going to take part in relation to looking at | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
trade deals. We will go out there and get the right deals for the | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
United Kingdom. I welcome the Prime Minister's very positive st`tement | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
Cheshire, Manchester and Liverpool Cheshire, Manchester and Liverpool | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
can be proud of our strengths in science with world leading projects. | :53:56. | :54:03. | |
Can my right honourable fridnd confirm that these sectors will | :54:04. | :54:06. | |
continue to be absolutely cdntral to what the government does with the | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
northern Powerhouse, taking forward its new industrial strategy, but | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
also that they will be central to the new trade deals which are vital | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
to the future of our economx? I thank my honourable friend for that | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
question and it enables me to recall that I don't think I responded to | :54:24. | :54:26. | |
one of the points made by the honourable member earlier when he | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
talked about the Northern Powerhouse. This government remains | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
absolutely committed to the Northern Powerhouse and the developmdnt we | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
have seen in new industries, in looking at new scientific | :54:41. | :54:42. | |
development, such that my rhght honourable friend has referred to, | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
remains an important part of that. As we look to these new trade deals, | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
we will also be looking to the sort of developments that can take place, | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
the sort of innovative decisions that we can take, which enstres that | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
we are not just looking at trade and traditional goods and services but | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
saying, what more can we do, what can we develop for the future and | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
include those? I would like to thank the Prime Minister for clarhfying | :55:11. | :55:17. | |
that her Brexit secretary w`s wrong to rule out membership of the | :55:18. | :55:20. | |
European single market, that her Foreign Secretary was wrong to | :55:21. | :55:22. | |
campaign for a points-based immigration system and her | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
international trade secretary was wrong to say we are leaving the | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
customs union. But isn't it the case, Mr Speaker, that if wd want to | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
strike trade deals with non,EU countries, and I am somebodx who | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
appreciate the value of fred trade deals, we will have to leavd the | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
customs union and that will bring disadvantages to UK businesses and | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
direct foreign investment. H am not going to repeat what I said earlier | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
in terms of the stars we ard taking, I would just encourage the | :55:54. | :55:56. | |
honourable lady to take her leader to one side and point out to him the | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
benefits of free trade, givdn what he has said in this chamber today. I | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
am delighted to hear the Prhme Minister's obvious commitment to | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
free trade but in many respdcts free trade is on the retreat in the world | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
today. Global levels of trade and investment are on the decline, we | :56:13. | :56:22. | |
have seen the United States, a lack of support in Congress, and even | :56:23. | :56:24. | |
her, misinformation and scaremongering from some qu`rters in | :56:25. | :56:26. | |
recent years leading to an drosion of faith in the benefits of free | :56:27. | :56:28. | |
trade amongst even our own constituents. Will the prim`ries | :56:29. | :56:31. | |
agree that given the centrality of free trade and agreements to the | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
future of our economy, now hs the time to put aside that | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
scaremongering, particularlx in some parts of the left of British | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
politics, and believe in frde trade and its ability to work for | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
everyone. My honourable fridnd has made an important point. It was | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
significant that the G20 was very clear that it wanted to takd action | :56:52. | :56:58. | |
on protectionism. But the point my honourable friend has made hs a very | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
valid one and was also disctssed at the G20, which is the need for us | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
all who support free trade to go out there and make the case for it and | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
to show the benefits that free trade can bring. As I have said e`rlier | :57:10. | :57:16. | |
and I think has been universally echoed on the Conservative benches, | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
on the government benches, ht is free-trade that underpins otr | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
economic growth and our prosperity. Given as we understand it comments | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
made by the Secretary of St`te for exiting the European Union on Monday | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
at this dispatch box are too regarded as personal opinion as | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
opposed to government policx, and further considering that thd remarks | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
made by the Secretary of St`te for International trade in relation to | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
the customs union required to be changed, if it is the case that the | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
Prime Minister is to contintally amend statements and comments made | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
by the newly appointed ministers, can I ask the Prime Minister why she | :57:53. | :57:55. | |
made those appointments in the first place? The honourable lady has | :57:56. | :58:02. | |
referred to matters which h`ve been referred to in previous questions. I | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
have answered in previous qtestions and I suggest she takes the answer I | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
have given before. The Primd Minister has referred to thd | :58:14. | :58:15. | |
substantial recent investment by the Japanese firm so I wonder if she | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
could just give the House a little bit more about the reassurances she | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
is able to give overseas colpanies to continue to invest in thd UK as a | :58:26. | :58:28. | |
centre of excellence in manufacturing. I am very pldased to | :58:29. | :58:33. | |
say that we encourage companies to invest in the UK. There are some | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
real opportunities in the UK. We are a centre of excellence in cdrtain | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
areas in terms of manufacturing and I think, as I referred earlher to | :58:42. | :58:46. | |
the visit I made to Jaguar Land Rover, to see that investment coming | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
into the United Kingdom, to reinvigorate that company and create | :58:51. | :58:53. | |
jobs and growth, it's a verx good example of what can be done. And I | :58:54. | :58:58. | |
want to see that happening `cross a wide range of industries, btt also | :58:59. | :59:05. | |
across the whole country. C`n I follow the question of my rhght | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
honourable friend for Exeter on imported Labour and people who come | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
to work here. 10% of doctors in the NHS are EU nationals and thdir | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
position is now very uncert`in. We know that since June the 23rd | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
Doctors who were EU nationals have been put off applying to work here | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
and since then we have had the vicious attacks and increasd in hate | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
crime that the Prime Ministdr referred to. We actually nedd more | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
doctors in the NHS. We have many on full training places. What hs she | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
going to is say to reassure those EU nationals working in the NHS that we | :59:39. | :59:45. | |
value them? I am pleased to say that under this government we have more | :59:46. | :59:49. | |
doctors working in the NHS. The number of doctors in the NHS has | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
increased since we came into government. But what I will also say | :59:54. | :59:56. | |
on the position of EU citizdns is that I fully expect to be able to | :59:57. | :00:02. | |
guarantee the status of EU citizens. While we are members of the EU, | :00:03. | :00:06. | |
their status does not changd. I want to be able to guarantee the status | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
of those EU citizens. The circumstances in which that would | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
not be possible is if the status of British citizens in other ET member | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
states was not guaranteed. During her bilateral talks with Prdsident | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
Putin, did my right honourable friend gently but firmly disabuse | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
him of the notion put around that this country is less committed than | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
hitherto to its Nato treaty operations, particularly Article | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
five, and that to the contr`ry we remain wholly committed to the | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
autonomy and sovereignty of our partners, particularly the Baltic | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
states and Poland? Ie and the government are absolutely clear | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
about the commitment we havd two Nato and the commitment we have two | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
Article five, as I indicated earlier. That is a central | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
underpinning of Nato, the joint security that we provide for each | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
other. I think many people will have been shocked and deeply concerned by | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
the statement of the Leader of the Opposition when he suggested that he | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
would not be signing up to that Article five. It is an underpinning | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
of Nato, and it ensures not only our national security but the N`tional | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
Security of our allies. Werd there any discussions with the Chhnese | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
about the acquisition of thd global switch data company by the Chinese | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
daily Tech group if Hinkley Point poses some security questions. | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
Wouldn't this acquisition also have some security issues? I havd | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
answered the point about how I am addressing the question of Hinkley | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
Point. But we have seen Chinese investment coming into the Tnited | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
Kingdom and we will continud to see Chinese investment coming into the | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
United Kingdom. We do have ` global strategic partnership with the | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
Chinese and that will continue. Fortuitously, London is the global | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
leader in international shipping. International shipping law hs at the | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
heart of international tradd and as a former shipping lawyer, I am proud | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
to know a great many London based international shipping | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
organisations. Can I invite the Prime Minister to ensure th`t the | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
government may contact with these organisations based in London to | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
ensure that we can get the best in international shipping deals with | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
international trade? My honourable friend refers to a number of | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
organisations being based hdre. The IMO is based in London and `n | :02:40. | :02:46. | |
important organisation in the whole question of shipping. I can assure | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
my honourable friend that the Department for exiting the Duropean | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
Union is looking across all sectors of activity and ensuring th`t the | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
views of those sectors will be taken into account as we develop our | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
proposals for our relationship with the EU. On behalf of steelworkers in | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
my constituency, can I reitdrate how disappointing it was to learn that | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
the Prime Minister didn't r`ise with the Chinese president specifically | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
the overproduction of Chinese steel. Can we have a commitment from the | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
Prime Minister today that hdr government will do absolutely | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
everything now and in the ftture to proactively raise these isstes. We | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
need the Prime Minister to do this to protect us. | :03:26. | :03:34. | |
I did raise the issue, it w`s raised in a session not just beford the | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
Chinese president but the other leaders as well. Crucially, what has | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
come out of the G20 is an agreement to set up this new forum whhch looks | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
at actions that lead to overcapacity and overproduction. The Chinese will | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
be a member of that Oram. M`y- congratulate the promised on | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
focusing more on policy discussions than where she was positiondd on the | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
photo Op upsetting the thred SNPs. Whilst tackling internation`l | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
avoidance through the G20 is important but there is a grdat deal | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
we can do ourselves and indded are doing. Absolutely. I would commend | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
my right honourable friend, the member for Whitney, for the steps | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
that he took as Prime Minister to encourage not only action over tax | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
avoidance here in the UK but globally. It is an important issue | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
and it is something we need to look at what we are doing here in the UK | :04:37. | :04:44. | |
always. With Saudi Arabia p`tently failing to carry out an inddpendent | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
investigation into potential breaches of international | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
humanitarian law, will the Prime Minister exercise global le`dership | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
and call for that independent investigation to be held so we can | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
find out what is going on in Yemen? As I indicated earlier, I r`ised it | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
with the Deputy Crown Princd of Saudi Arabia and the import`nce that | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
any allegations are properlx investigated. I also reiter`te the | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
point that we have a relationship with Saudi Arabia over a nulber of | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
issues and the relationship we have with them in dealing with tdrrorism | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
is important because it helps keeps the street of Britain say. Ly | :05:22. | :05:33. | |
constituents and I are enorlously pleased with the progress on free | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
trade deals, did the G20 discussions confirmed my suspicion that the | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
interest will only grow in doing that? And would she agree whth me | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
that it is the particular responsibility of every member of | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
this house to shout from thd rooftops for jobs and investment in | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
this country. My constituents jobs are not frankly a matter of dogma? | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
My right and noble friend h`s spoken very well on this issue. I can | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
confirm what was very welcole, the way a number of countries c`me up to | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
me during the summit to say they wanted to be sitting down and | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
talking to the UK about trade deals. This is not a matter of dogla but of | :06:15. | :06:22. | |
jobs and people's security `nd a matter of prosperity for thhs | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
country. In her remarks on refugees and migration, the Prime Minister | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
referred to humanitarian efforts but not to human rights. In those words | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
and her other words today, what she alluding to things like the Khartoum | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
process where it is envisagdd that those coming through the Horn of | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
Africa will be concentrated in Sudan, a country where the | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
government has been bombing their own people and security forces have | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
been implicated in nefarious trafficking? Given all she has said, | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
where is the UK in relation to the Khartoum process and will the UK | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
continue to share that procdss on behalf of the EU pending Brdxit In | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
relation to the second part of his question, the chairmanship of the | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
Khartoum process will be moving away from the UK, it will move away the | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
going to Ethiopian. It won't be staying with the EU but on ` | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
rotation basis. In the UK h`s been chairing that process and wd have | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
said as a government, as I said as Home Secretary, it is important we | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
deal with the significant movement of people that we have seen. | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
Including the movement of economic migrants that we have seen `cross | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
the world particular into Etrope. We need to work with countries | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
upstream. We need to deal across the board and ensure that peopld have | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
better opportunities in thehr home country so they do not feel the need | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
to come to Europe to grasp opportunities. We are also working | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
with transit companies to stop the terrible trade that is taking place | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
in those organised crime groups that are encouraging the illegal | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
migration and the smuggling of people and human trafficking and we | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
will continue to work on all of those. As we begin the procdss of | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
leaving the EU and given her experience of the G20 and the | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
conversations with otherworldly does, what is her view into is a | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
Britain maintaining a strong voice on the world stage after we have | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
left the EU and our ability to lead discussions on the matter and the | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
issues that matter to us? What I saw from my discussion at the G20 is | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
that us leaving the EU will not have a negative impact on us as ` | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
spokesman on the world stagd. I am very clear, I want to be thd global | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
leader in free trade. There are many issues already where the UK has been | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
at the forefront of discusshons on things like climate change `nd tax | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
avoidance and evasion. It is important we continue to pl`y that | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
role with the fifth-largest economy, we will be out there as a bold, | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
confident outward looking n`tion continuing to play a key global | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
role. In light of the horrific scenes we have seen in Syri` over | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
the summer, did she have discussions with others at the summit about | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
protecting civil areas such as hospitals and other infrastructure | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
that have been targeted, perhaps using our assets and intellhgence as | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
well as humanitarian aid drops if that is necessary? We are all | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
concerned about some of the activities we have seen takhng place | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
in Syria. That is why I indhcated earlier that we need to enstre we | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
are putting all of our efforts into bringing an end to this conflict | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
because of the horrific imp`ct it has had an millions of Syri`n | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
people. Some of whom of course have left Syria and others are still | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
there and living in appalling conditions and under threat of | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
action being taken against them from various forces. We need to redouble | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
our efforts in regards to that. We need to look at how we can hncrease | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
the ability for humanitarian aid to get through to those who nedd it. | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
Sadly, it is proving to be rude difficult to put that into practice | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
but our desire to continue to try and find ways of doing that is still | :10:30. | :10:38. | |
there. Did the Prime Ministdr have the chance to discuss the issues of | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
Ukraine and Crimea with the Russian representation? At the recent | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
seminar in the Ukraine, I attended as one of my Nato duties, mtch | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
evidence is presented that dthnic cleansing of the Crimean Tata people | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
is happening on the bigger scale possible, some horrible hum`n rights | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
abuses. If the Prime Ministdr has not had the opportunity to raise it | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
at this stage, could I ask that she encourages her friend the Foreign | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
Secretary to look closely at this issue so she can be prepared at the | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
next G 22 raise this terrible situation happening right now? The | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
government has issued into what has happened in Crimea has not changed. | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
I was able to refer to our position in regards to Ukraine in thd | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
discussions I had but this will be a subject we continue to return to. | :11:35. | :11:42. | |
Can I ask whether the Prime Minister was lobbied at the G20 by the | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
Chinese and US governments `bout ratifying the Paris climate treaty | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
as quickly as possible? The Chinese and US governments of coursd did | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
indicate their intention and their ratification of the Paris agreement | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
shortly before the G20's sulmit started. I was clear with everybody | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
that it is our intention to ratify. I am very encouraged that the Prime | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
Minister has indicated a willingness of countries to instigate trade | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
deals with the UK. Is she confident we have the correct number of | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
officials and negotiators and that those with the correct experience to | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
deliver these crucial trade deals? Observed -- obviously over the years | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
because of the position of the UK in the EU, we have not developdd | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
negotiators on trade ourselves but we are developing that for | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
international trade. It was important to set up a separ`te | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
department to bring in the dxpertise there. We are looking at how we can | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
ensure and increased the expertise in the Department. Refugees face | :12:56. | :13:07. | |
that psychological trauma and loss, they are being systematically | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
exploited and abused. What discussions took place to ensure | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
their safety and to progress reunification and to meet otr | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
commitment under the Dobbs Amendment? The Honourable L`dy is | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
right to refer to the psychological impact of being a refugee on | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
children. That is why as part of the support we give as a countrx and | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
humanitarian aid for refugeds we provide support of that sort to | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
children. It is one of the hssues where we are looking at those | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
refugees who have been resettled here under the person resettlement | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
scheme. One issue we look at is the requirement, support and cotnselling | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
that people might require as part of that. In relation to the amdndment, | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
discussions have been taking place with local authorities it is a | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
matter for the United Kingdom to be looking at and not a matter for | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
discussion at the G20. I very much welcome statement by the Prhme | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
Minister, paragraph 44 of the guinea pigs of the strategy to tackle | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
forced displacement of people, on this day lasted, I asked thd then | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
Prime Minister about the crdation of safe havens for civilians ldaving | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
Syria, I was told it was thd right sort of thinking. Whether any | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
discussions with other countries about the creation of safe havens | :14:35. | :14:42. | |
now or in future conflicts? I understand the point he is laking | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
and the concept he is setting out. What has been seen of coursd is that | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
it is very difficult to look at some of these issues in practice in terms | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
of what is happening on the ground. But he is right we need to think | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
carefully and the communiqud refers to this mass movement of people and | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
we need to think about the support we can provide for refugees which is | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
of course why this country hs proud of being the second biggest | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
bilateral donor in terms of humanitarian aid for Syrian | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
refugees. Jobs in Staffordshire are dependent on international trade, | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
given the Prime Minister's reluctance to outline her priorities | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
for future negotiations, can you inform us who you are consulting | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
with domestic league in the industrial centres to ensurd their | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
views are represented in thd negotiations? I have alreadx | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
indicated that the Department for exiting the European Union hs | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
looking across the economy `nd consulting with different sdctors of | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
the economy on what their requirements are. I also sax I am | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
very interested again that the Honourable Lady is an advoc`te for | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
free trade. I suggest she ilparts this to the leader of her p`rty who | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
has set out this afternoon that his policy for his party is to not | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
believe in free trade. This is the first opportunity I have two welcome | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
her to her place, may I do so? She talks about the economy and the | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
manufacturing base in this country which will provide jobs and I | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
entirely concur. Will she go forward to take into account the effect of | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
green taxes and other restrhctions on large manufacturers to ensure | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
that we can compete properlx on a level playing field around the | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
world? I thank him for his welcome that he has given me. And c`n I | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
assure him that what he is `sking will indeed be taken into account. | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
One of the benefits of energy and climate change policy coming into | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
the new Department is that dnergy policy can be seen alongsidd the | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
requirements for business and industrial strategies that ht | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
develops. I believe in free trade, indeed desire which would, `nd early | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
constituent of mine had one of the earliest free-trade pacts whth | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
France in the 1770s. Many of my considers are employed at the new | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
boy trio to plant in Derby. They were very concerned by the comments | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
of the Japanese government `bout investment in the UK if we did not | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
have access to the single m`rket. Can the Prime Minister tell us what | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
conversations we had with the Japanese about their concerns and | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
can I ask her to take control of the Brexit negotiations to make sure | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
that jobs and prosperity in North Staffordshire are not put at rest. | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
The Honourable gentleman must we be oldest and long-standing melber in | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
the history of the House of Commons? Thank you Mr Speaker. Can I reassure | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
the Honourable gentleman th`t the negotiations will be looking to | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
ensure, as I have said in a number of answers, that we are seeking | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
growth in jobs and prosperity in the United Kingdom. Not only in a | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
relationship with the Europdan Union after Brexit but the trade deals we | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
will be able to do around the rest of the world. That is where we are | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
focusing our efforts and we will continue to do so. May I th`nk the | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
Prime Minister for signalling that free-trade will be the core of | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
British G as we leave the Etropean Union. And substantial progress can | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
be made on country by country trade agreements right now. Can I add two | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
things to her list? Can we dstablish a British position in the | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
multilateral trade and servhces agreement and will she have a | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
conversation with the Secretary of State for International Devdlopment | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
about how we can use this opportunity to enhance the trade | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
facilitation agreements as `greed at WTO in 2013? | :18:53. | :19:06. | |
We will look at issues he h`s raised and I can assure him looking at | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
these trade deals we will look at every aspect to make sure what we | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
get is the best deal for thd UK but I think it will not only be the | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
right deal for the UK but I think the sort of deals we are spdaking | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
about will be right for those countries we are dealing with as | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
well. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given the Prime Minister's refusal to | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
answer the direct for my right honourable friend, the honotrable | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
member from Murray, about the Single Market, can I ask the Prime | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
Minister, when will this Hotse be presented with any kind of detail | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
about what Brexit actually leans beyond the sound bites? Can I say to | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
the honourable gentleman he will not get any different answer from me to | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
the one I have given on numdrous occasions throughout this afternoon | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
and I will simply say this, if we are going to negotiate, the right | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
deal for the UK on trade in goods and services, it would be qtite | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
wrong for this Government to give away our negotiation strategies in | :20:07. | :20:14. | |
advance. As the Prime Minister knows there are around 140,000 workers in | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
the UK employed by Japanese firms. My honourable friend has already | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
mentioned Toyota, but also Nissan and Honda have large base is vital | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
to local economies and the supply chain. She knows that huge | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
uncertainty about our futurd relationship with the EU and the | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
Single Market is creating difficulties, and I would lhke to | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
give her another opportunitx to see how she tried to mitigate those | :20:39. | :20:46. | |
risks to those jobs and invdstment with the Japanese and others. I am | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
grateful to the honourable lady because I did not answer thd | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
honourable gentleman filly because he did refer to the issue of | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
Japanese firms. I was able to sit down and discuss these issuds with | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
the prime minister, and outcome was a positive desire to take forward | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
discussions of how we can ensure we are getting the best trading | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
relationship -- and so the honourable gentleman fully. And that | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
we can continue to see Japanese investment in the UK. I am pleased | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
to see the single biggest vote of confidence in investment in the | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
United Kingdom since we had the vote to leave the European Union of | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
course came from a Japanese company with ?824 billion. -- 20 ?4 billion. | :21:26. | :21:35. | |
Firstly can I commend the mhnister on the hard work that has bden done | :21:36. | :21:45. | |
on this across the world -- ?24 billion. Despite President Obama | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
saying we would go to the b`ck of the queue, this has been done. Does | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
she agree that if the price was right, that the world is trtly our | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
Oyster? I absolutely agree with the honourable gentleman and thdre are | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
many products here which we can trade very well with other parts of | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
the world from the constitudnt parts of the United Kingdom and that is | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
the quality of the product that will lead to people wishing to t`ke them. | :22:16. | :22:24. | |
Further to her answer to my honourable friend from Selbx, there | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
will be the reports she has seen about people with the lack of | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
experience to negotiate trade deals in the UK. Is that of concern to | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
her? Are we being forced to employ people from overseas to do that job? | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
Who have those necessary skhlls As I answered to my honourable friend, | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
I think it was important to focus the Government's effort on trade | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
deals through creation of a new department, the Department for | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
International trade, that ddpartment is building up its expertisd and | :22:55. | :23:01. | |
will continue to do so. I do not know if at the T20 there was any | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
discussion of America's gre`test cultural export, Star Trek, | :23:06. | :23:13. | |
celebrating its anniversary tomorrow, but if we want to live | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
long and prosper we must tackle climate change. Does she regret | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
abolishing the UK Department on climate change and when will the UK | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
ratify the Paris agreement? I think I can honestly say, in all the | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
discussions I had in 20 and all the plenary sessions I sat and listened | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
through, Star Trek was never a mention. I have to say it to the | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
honourable gentleman. -- never mentioned. On the point of | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
ratification, yes, we will be ratifying the Paris agreement, but | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
people seem to think the position of the Government on climate change can | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
only be represented by whether there is a separate apartment on ht and | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
that is not the case. The ilportant thing is we have taken the | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
initiative is on climate ch`nge and the -- and put it beside thd | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
industrial strategy which I think will give a better strategic | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
approach. As I mentioned to the honourable lady for Brighton | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
Pavilion, I would hope if the honourable gentleman is intdrested | :24:13. | :24:14. | |
in climate change he will congratulate this Government on what | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
we have done in relation to climate change because we have been at the | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
forefront of encouraging others to take action in relation to | :24:21. | :24:28. | |
emissions. I know the Prime Minister raised the issue of steel at the | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
plenary sessions. Did she vhsit at the bilateral session also? Did she | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
discuss with the Chinese delegation about that? What powers with this | :24:38. | :24:46. | |
new forum have? When the Tory party speak about free trade, to this | :24:47. | :24:53. | |
House, about our government undermining other nations, | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
government that is Communist in China, it is a bit rich, spdaking | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
about free trade. When will we have immediate trade defence measures | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
from this Government? In thd last four to five years, an explosion of | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
dumping by the Chinese statd into the British market has occurred with | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
the raw action from this Government. It is absolutely not true this | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
Government has taken no acthon. -- with absolutely no mac action from | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
this Government. It is important in this forum has been set up on what | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
the Chinese will be represented Just looking at the various issues | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
we have been doing to support the steel sector, we secured st`ted to | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
compensate for energy costs, flexible to over EU emission | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
regulations meant economic factors to be taken into account whdn the | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
Government procures steel, successfully pressed for | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
anti-dumping duties to protdct UK companies from unfair practhces | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
There are many steps this Government has taken and will continue to take | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
because we recognise the importance of the steel industry in thd UK Mr | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
Speaker, when the Prime Minhster was in China did she have any | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
discussions with the leaders of France and Germany as to whhch city | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
is likely to replace the City of London as Europe's financial capital | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
when the City of London's ctrrent trading relationship with Etrope is | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
severed? If she did not, whdn she does so could you please ask them to | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
consider Edinburgh, which is currently the UK's second l`rgest | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
financial centre and is the capital city of a country with a Government | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
that is very clear it intends to remain in the Single Market? Well, I | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
say to the honourable lady this issue of Scotland and whethdr it | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
will be part of the European Union single market post Brexit, the | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
decision that was taken on June 23 was a decision of the peopld of the | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
United Kingdom to leave the European Union. The best thing for growth and | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
prosperity for Scotland is to remain part of the United Kingdom. And I | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
intend to make sure that whdn the UK has left the European Union we are | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
able to seize opportunities, opportunities that will be to the | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
benefit of people across thd whole United Kingdom, including Scotland. | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
The Prime Minister is rightly using summits like the G20 to press for | :27:17. | :27:24. | |
Britain's case in a globalised economy. Can I press heard just a | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
bit further on the issue I raised at Rye Minister's Question Timd? On | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
Manchester's bid for 2025, because the site is partly in my | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
constituency. She will know in terms of national pride, the Unitdd | :27:41. | :27:48. | |
Kingdom has not hosted Expo since Dublin in 1907, and before that it | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
was the great exposition in London. In terms of national pride, it is | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
therefore important, but Expo 2 15 in Milan Brotton 22 million visitors | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
to that city, and the ?7 billion investment -- brought in 22 million. | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
Well she meet with the Greater Manchester combined authority and | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
other members and myself so she can fully appreciate the benefits of | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
Britain putting in a bid for the Expo? Can I just say to the | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
honourable gentleman, 20 out of ten for effort in promoting Manchester | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
as a potential host of Expo. I will listen very carefully to thd | :28:31. | :28:37. | |
proposal he has made. Yes, Lr Speaker, I do support free trade, | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
but can I ask the Prime Minhster whether her vision of free trade is | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
of Britain as an offshore t`x haven with lower health standards, lower | :28:48. | :28:50. | |
environmental standards, lower labour rights, or will she dnsure | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
any bilateral trade union agreement with America and Canada does not | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
contain new powers for transnational companies to sue our Governlent in | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
response to laws we pass here to protect our environment, our health | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
and our workers through the independent state, with the clauses | :29:10. | :29:19. | |
of TTIP and CTIP. Firstly I think the honourable gentleman has | :29:20. | :29:21. | |
misrepresented TTIP which h`s of course happened before. We will be | :29:22. | :29:23. | |
going out there to get the right deals in trade for the UK whth other | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
countries around the globe. We have a real opportunity to be a global | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
leader in free trade and th`t is what we will be. During the European | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
Union delegation -- the European Union delegation to the T20 were | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
delighted that the Secretarx of State advise the House that free | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
trade or free movement of pdople at least between one of its melber | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
states is going to exist whdn the remainder of the United Kingdom | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
leaves the European Union. That is the Common travel area of Ireland. | :29:51. | :29:57. | |
As stipulated by the Secret`ry of State in the House. Therefore, with | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
the free movement of people through Ireland and Britain being btilt on | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
equal rights, will the Primd Minister advise the House there will | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
be no change at all to the hsland Act of 1948 as amended in 1849 which | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
gives Irish citizens more are less non-foreign status within the United | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
Kingdom -- Ireland Act. The honourable gentleman has referred to | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
the Common Travel Area and discussions were taking place with | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
the Irish government prior to the decision for In to read the European | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
Union, to consider how we could enhance and improve that colmon | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
travel area and of course those discussions now continue in the | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
future against different circumstances. I am extremely | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
grateful to the Prime Minister and all colleagues... The BBC are | :30:46. | :30:52. | |
reporting that Newsnight believes the Arms control committee of this | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
House is going to recommend the Government no longer sells `rms to | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
Saudi Arabia. I make no bonds with that and rather agree with them but | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
the point is they are doing this on the basis, they say, of havhng seen | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
a draft report from the comlittee. This House has always taken it | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
extremely serious and when draft reports are leaked from comlittees | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
to the media. I hope that you will have an opportunity, Mr Spe`ker to | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
speak to the committee to establish whether that is the case and, if so, | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
what remedial action this House can take. I am grateful for the point of | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
order. What he says about the seriousness with which leaks of | :31:28. | :31:38. | |
copies or draft copies, or reports, are concerned, it is absolutely | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
true, he's quite right about that, a very serious matter, I do not know | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
whether there has been such a leak or whether there is merely | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
speculation, but I am happy to make inquiries into the matter, `nd | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
knowing the Doggett and ten`cious character of the honourable | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
gentleman, I have a feeling if I do not go back to him on the m`tter he | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
will probably return to the subject -- dogged. We believe that therefore | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
no and I thank him for menthoning the point. Thank you, prime | :32:08. | :32:15. | |
ministers. Another point of order? Earlier in Cabinet it seemed to be | :32:16. | :32:23. | |
suggested by some honourabld members that there was a gerrymandering | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
organisation here to act at the behest of the Government. It is my | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
understanding, and I would welcome your confirmation or indeed | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
correction if I am not corrdct, that the commission is entirely | :32:35. | :32:36. | |
independent, that it will come up with its own proposals and that they | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
will be available for us as honourable members and indedd our | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
constituents to reply to thd formal process. Did you just confirmed that | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
the commission does not act or come up with proposals at the behest of | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
the Government? I am happy to confirm that the | :32:51. | :33:01. | |
boundary commission operates and has been expected to operate on the | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
bases the honourable gentlelan suggests. I am happy to confirm | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
that. If there are no furthdr points of order we can now to the | :33:10. | :33:17. | |
presentation of Bill, Sajid Javid. Neighbourhood planning Bill. Second | :33:18. | :33:27. | |
reading today. Tomorrow. We come to the ten minute rule motion. Melanie | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
Onn. I beg to move leave big event to | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
bring in a Bill to make provision about the safeguarding of workers' | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
rights derived from the European Union legislation after the | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
withdrawal of the UK from the EU and for connected that connected | :33:43. | :33:55. | |
purposes. This is a Bill brought about by | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
necessity. Despite the warnhngs from the TUC and others about thd | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
potential for workers' rights to be significantly undermined if we left | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
Europe, the government has failed to explain just how they will dnsure | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
this does not happen. I call on the government to take proactivd steps | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
to protect those employment rights which are not contained in primary | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
legislation and which are at risk of falling away post Brexit. It is no | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
use adopting a wait and see attitude. People deserve to know | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
their rights at work will not be detrimental. Research conducted by | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
the House of Commons librarx has highlighted several areas of | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
legislation that partly or wholly derived from European directives. | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
These include price of agency workers, the European Works Council, | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
information and consultation of employees, health and safetx, | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
protection of young people `t work. These are the broad areas that could | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
disappear if the government opts to repeal the European community's act | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
1972. That means they would be no legislative framework around | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
collective consultations on the structures, redundancies, shift | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
pattern changes or pay just by way of an example. These are not small | :35:11. | :35:17. | |
and obscure areas of employlent law. They are up front and centrd. In an | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
increasingly stable labour larkets, people rely on the certaintx of | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
protections that can be afforded to them under this legislation. For | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
over 40 years the EU has devised laws designed to protect working | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
people from discrimination. Trade unions have operated togethdr at a | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
European level to secure agreements across all nations to better protect | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
workers. These rules have ensured that regardless of the ideology of | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
the government of the day h`rd fought for, minimum standards have | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
been protected. They have kdpt those rights and known negotiable distance | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
away from the potential derdgulatory whims of ministers who may take such | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
a view that rights like that are no more than cumbersome red tape. We | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
know the Secretary of State of international trade, the very | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
minister responsible for negotiating our trade agreements as he dxited | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
the European Union is on record as having said it is too difficult to | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
fire staff. Members in this House must not allow downgrading of | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
workers' rights to be unfortunate side-effects of the governmdnts s | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
negotiations. On the steps of Downing Street in July, the Prime | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
Minister made reference to those who have a job but do not always have | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
job security. The millions of agency workers in the care sector, retail, | :36:45. | :36:52. | |
security or factory work, the agency workers legislation ensures they can | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
access the same wages and holiday entitlement as permanent workers and | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
get equal access to facilithes, vacancies and amenities. Thhs is | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
progressive legislation that recognises their changing ndeds of | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
an increasingly so-called flexible workforce. We should have no | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
hesitation in securing our own domestic laws to support those | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
workers. In recent days we have been reassured that Brexit will not | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
undermine workers' rights. The Minister for exiting the European | :37:23. | :37:28. | |
Union wrote in his July arthcle for the Conservative home website it is | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
his belief it is not employlent regulation that stunts economic | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
growth. If that is the case there should be no barriers to thd | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
government positively reviewing which elements of UK employlent law | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
will be without foundations after leaving Europe unless alternatives | :37:45. | :37:51. | |
are implemented. Given the TK has one of the most likely regulated | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
workforces in the OECD it is right the government should uphold these | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
minimum standards. Metcher TK employment law has become a basic | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
expectation. -- much. The ldvel of protection afforded to workdrs is | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
woven into the fabric of thd employment relationship no | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
discrimination against part,time fixed term workers, the right to | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
rest breaks, paid holiday and Leafa working parents. These are things | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
which are standard. We should not be going backwards. If we take a closer | :38:27. | :38:34. | |
look at TP, it is clear the intention is to benefit workers It | :38:35. | :38:42. | |
means if somebody's employed contracts out there all, thdy can | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
expect certain minimum guar`ntees in relation to these changes. They can | :38:47. | :38:55. | |
expect a period of consultation They can expect any proposed changes | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
to structures, salaries or redundancies will be discussed | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
within a consultation. If they are transferred to the new empire, their | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
salary, holiday and sick le`ve will be protected. Importantly, priced a | :39:08. | :39:16. | |
representation of recognition of trade Unions also transfer providing | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
assurance to affected emploxees After transfer, employees are | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
protected unless the receivhng a player can provide evidence of | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
operational technical or economic purposes that make it impossible for | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
them to continue with certahn terms and conditions. Even then they must | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
undertake consultation before they can make those changes. This is only | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
possible because of the European legislation which provided the | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
framework. We should accept a reality here, it is not perfect | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
Which as we have seen with other legislation our Parliament can make | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
the choice to go further, to offer more than the minimum requirements | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
of legislation. In this instance it has not, choosing the least | :40:04. | :40:12. | |
burdensome way. I recognise the weaknesses within the law as it | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
stands. All the more reason to be concerned about what would happen if | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
tupee was not there. Prior to tupee employers are able to make staff | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
redundant. --. These were workers such as school | :40:26. | :40:42. | |
meals Assistant and refuse collectors who were not givdn the | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
chance to participate in anx consultation. We would not want to | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
place that kind of disruption on workers again by rolling out -- back | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
to the bad old days. Without there being any recourse to previous | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
European Court of Justice rtlings we may find ourselves sleepwalking into | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
a situation where carers who do sleeping she said no longer be | :41:06. | :41:12. | |
geared to as employers seek to cut their costs. We should not `llow the | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
potential for European case law to simply be discarded as it rhsks | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
dumping swathes of presidents in favour of the ... | :41:24. | :41:37. | |
The future decisions were no longer bound by that caselaw workers would | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
pay the price. Given the ch`nges in employment legislation of the last | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
60 years including reduced consultation period for | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
redundancies, the introducthon of fees for employment tribunal 's | :41:54. | :42:01. | |
there is little to give the British public faith that the government | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
warm words will translate into action. What a current proposals in | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
Europe? What would bring further protections to UK workers. @ right | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
to a written statement of tdrms and conditions, improved worklife | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
balance and improved rights for posted workers. Workers in Britain, | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
will they feel the benefits of changes? I have been asked why | :42:25. | :42:32. | |
haven't asked for more in this bill. This isn't about grandiose | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
positioning. It is based in the reality of the situation we face | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
today. It is right first and foremost ability is provided. The | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
government does everything hn its power to protect what we already | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
have. Despite being on the other side of the debates, I accept the | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
British public voted for Brdxit They didn't vote for more insecure | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
contracts, less safe workpl`ces or anything less than they currently | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
have a way of protection in their jobs. | :43:04. | :43:11. | |
The question is for the honourable member to bring in the bill. | :43:12. | :43:22. | |
The ayes has it. Who will bring in the bill? | :43:23. | :43:38. | |
Workers right maintenance of the use standards Bill. Second readhng. What | :43:39. | :44:20. | |
day? Friday the 18th of Novdmber. Friday the 18th of November. | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
We now come to the motion in the name of the Leader of the Opposition | :44:25. | :44:34. | |
on the Paris Agreement on climate change. I call Mr Barry Gardner to | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
move the motion. Thank you. I am delighted to rise to | :44:40. | :44:47. | |
move this motion in the namd of myself and my honourable and right | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
honourable colleagues. My country has an unwavering commitment to | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
pursue the path of sustainable development. Those were the words of | :44:58. | :45:10. | |
President Xi last week when he and President Obama announced China and | :45:11. | :45:16. | |
America their ratification of the Paris climate treaty. In an | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
extraordinary events we saw the world's two superpowers who are the | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
work's to largest emitters of greenhouse gases locked in `n | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
embrace to save our species from itself. From so altering our | :45:32. | :45:38. | |
atmosphere that to make it `lmost impossible for many of our fellow | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
human beings to survive. And from destroying of the species and | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
ecosystems in the process. @ few days before they did so I wrote our | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
Prime Minister urging her to begin the process of ratification of the | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
treaty by UK. I understand her office passed my letter to the | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
Secretary of State. I also tabled today's debate to discuss | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
ratification and to press for the UK to follow China and America's need | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
and get on and ratify the P`ris Agreement. So now, with the US and | :46:11. | :46:17. | |
China making it highly likely the agreements will formally cole into | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
force by the end of this ye`r, I decided that if China and Alerica | :46:21. | :46:27. | |
can put aside their differences and ratify, then surely we in P`rliament | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
could do the same and becomd finder parties to the agreement. I wrote to | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
the Secretary of State and offered to amend the motion of this debate | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
to make it the formal vote required by the House of Commons to ratify | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
the treaty. The process of ratification is not unduly complex, | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
it requires the tabling of ` command paper by the government and then | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
affirmative resolution by both houses. The government have not | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
tabled that command paper. Ly offer has still not received any formal | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
response. The Scottish National Party agreed at the Green P`rty | :47:07. | :47:16. | |
agreed, Plaid Cymru agreed. When I eventually can find a Liber`l | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
Democrat to speak to, he agreed to! Here we had Her Majesty's official | :47:22. | :47:28. | |
opposition, the Labour Partx, offering to forego one of its | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
precious opposition databasd in order to do something on a | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
cross-party basis and for the wider good, to create Parliamentary time | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
for something the government had said they wanted to do but could not | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
yet find the time for and it has been rejected. You know, soletimes I | :47:47. | :47:55. | |
think people look at it in parliament and say to themsdlves, | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
can they not just for once, put aside their petty party differences | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
and agree to do something together? Are they really not bigger than | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
this? The government had sahd earlier this year that they would in | :48:12. | :48:17. | |
March, David Cameron agreed the EU Council conclusions which underlines | :48:18. | :48:24. | |
the need for the European Union and its member states to be abld to | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
ratify the Paris Agreement `s soon as possible and on time so `s to be | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
party as of this entry. I am grateful to the shadow | :48:34. | :48:46. | |
Secretary of State For giving way. I am a supporter of the Paris climate | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
change agreement and hope wd will ratify as soon as possible but I | :48:51. | :48:58. | |
cannot help thinking he is looking for a disagreement. All members must | :48:59. | :49:10. | |
ratify in this team so -- in their time,. While I trust him and know | :49:11. | :49:13. | |
the deeply cares about this issue, I think he knows that I do too and | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
therefore the olive branch H extended to the Secretary of State | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
was a genuine one and was one based on something I am told the | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
Government said it wanted to do and that they have previously stated | :49:27. | :49:29. | |
they wanted to do, but I have been told they have not been abld to find | :49:30. | :49:33. | |
time for it yet and so I thought this was an opportunity to lake | :49:34. | :49:37. | |
time. And so it is a matter of deep regret. I cannot see any re`son and | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
I am sure the Minister will come to the dispatch box and explain to us | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
in due course precisely why it was not possible to take this | :49:46. | :49:54. | |
opportunity, this opportunity, to table the command paper yesterday or | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
the day before and to use this time in Parliament for us in the House of | :49:59. | :50:07. | |
Commons to vote and ratify this treaty. I am very grateful to my | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
honourable friend and I am pleased he secured the time for this debate. | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
Isn't the issue that the Unhted States of America, China and France | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
have already completed ratification, that other T20 countries like Brazil | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
and Germany have pledged to do so by the end of the year, and all we re | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
asking this Government to do is to set out precisely what the timescale | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
is going to be -- G20. For the United Kingdom to this important | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
work, and we are not getting any answers from the Government as to | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
that timescale? My honourable friend of course is absolutely right, but I | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
hope, and I really do hope, that what we will get this afternoon and | :50:48. | :50:54. | |
the honourable front bench team and Right Honourable members of the | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
front bench team, they know I have respect for them on this matter I | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
do not seek to be partisan on this matter but I will attack thdm if | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
they do not keep to their commitments, and I will continue to | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
do that. I will again... I have great respect for this becatse this | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
is very much a cross-party debate about climate change, but the heart | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
of the commitment on climatd change is the Climate Change Act and that | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
is in British law and we voted for it in this Parliament and wd have | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
commitments in that act to `chieve 80% reduction in our emissions by | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
2018 so we are committed to that and I too would pick up my honotrable | :51:34. | :51:36. | |
friend's comment that you are creating an argument where there is | :51:37. | :51:44. | |
none because this Government is not saying ratify this. Indeed H fully | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
believe we will do but we mtst think about this very sensibly but I hope | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
we will continue to lead thd way as we have done all the way along the | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
line. I am delighted the honourable lady referred to the commitlent and | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
I am delighted she referred to the Climate Change Act and to the fact | :51:58. | :52:06. | |
it is binding upon us, and later on in the speech I will be takhng | :52:07. | :52:10. | |
exactly what those commitments and that legislation has said and trying | :52:11. | :52:12. | |
to show precisely where the Government over the past cotple of | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
years has deviated from that, and that is why we are on a pathway of | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
divergences rather than con virgins in this House and have been for the | :52:22. | :52:28. | |
pasts years -- convergence. The cross-party and bipartisan `pproach | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
that did used to exist in this House on these matters has been sdverely | :52:35. | :52:39. | |
tested by what has been seen as backsliding by this Governmdnt. I | :52:40. | :52:45. | |
will add on that later. Unthl this morning, Madame Deputy Speaker, it | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
was not clear to me why the olive branch I had extended to thd | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
Government had been quite so hotly ignored, then I found out what the | :52:54. | :53:06. | |
minute -- minister said, and what was said at the cocktail party for | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
the ladies and gentlemen of the press yesterday evening, thdy said | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
that candidly we will not bd publishing the carbon plan by the | :53:15. | :53:16. | |
end of the year. The carbon plan? What is that? It is not the sort of | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
thing any normal member of the public might think sounds tdrribly | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
important and if I were to dxplain that it is important, reallx | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
important, because it is supposed to set out precisely how the Government | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
will meet its carbon budget, that same hypothetical member of the | :53:35. | :53:37. | |
public may look blank because people do not speak in these terms, they do | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
not speak in terms of carbon plans and carbon budgets, they spdak in | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
terms of the effects, not btdgets, they know climate change is causing | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
disruption across the world with more flooding in some places, and | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
more drought in others, stronger hurricanes and typhoons and loss of | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
crops and arable land, they know it is related to emissions polluting | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
our air and children's lungs and these are the things import`nt to | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
them, and that is... Yes, in a moment. That is precisely why the | :54:07. | :54:13. | |
politicians did agree backing 2 08, under a Labour Government, but very | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
much on a cross-party basis, to limit the ways we were caushng those | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
problems. To reduce and limht the emissions that were changing the | :54:24. | :54:26. | |
world with such devastating effect, that is why we created the committee | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
on climate change, to set ldgally binding carbon budgets that would | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
precisely limit the damage we did, but of course we tasked thel to make | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
sure we always adopted them as cost efficient pathways so we cotld move | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
towards the long-term target of at least 80% reduction in emissions by | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
2050, that the honourable l`dy mentioned, at the lowest possible | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
cost to the public and to industry and to business. That is whx this | :54:57. | :55:04. | |
carbon plan is so important. How dare the Secretary of State let s | :55:05. | :55:07. | |
look at a cocktail party to a few journalists that of course we will | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
not be publishing the carbon plan by the end of this year. Kodaira the | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
minister revealed to the group that we may find space in the tiletable | :55:16. | :55:27. | |
to publish it in 2017 -- how dare the Minister May? May? I ask the | :55:28. | :55:35. | |
Minister to Regal -- to read the legislation. It says the Government | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
must put it into effect. Thd fourth carbon budget was published in 011. | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
Five and a half years later we still have no carbon plan. My grasp of the | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
English language is not so weak as to think that five and a half years | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
with a change of Government and the new Prime Minister in betwedn | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
constitutes as soon as reasonably practicable, and now the minister | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
says he "May" get round to ht in 2017? Earlier this year thex | :56:03. | :56:08. | |
promised that the reason for delay was simply that they wanted now to | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
include in their measures for achieving the fifth carbon budget in | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
the plan. Which they set, of course, almost three weeks later th`n the | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
legislation allowed, another area in which this Government has lost | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
confidence in people. Again, the legislation is very clear. Ht is | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
primary legislation, it says the carbon budget must be deposhted 12 | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
years, on the 30th of June, 12 years before it comes into effect, and | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
they published it before but said that in legislation and that is what | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
is required by the law, to be set in legislation until the 19th of July, | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
almost three weeks late. Sorry, I did say I would give way to the | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
honourable gentleman... I thank the honourable gentleman for giving way, | :56:54. | :57:00. | |
and I am glad he is making the point about publishing the carbon plan | :57:01. | :57:03. | |
which I think would be a good and useful next step. He was spdaking | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
about the pertinence of clilate change to ordinary people in the | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
streets and it brings it down to reality when you see, for example, | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
in Wales, the flooding dangdr, the current cost of remedying that | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
danger would be about ?200 lillion, and that is certain to grow. That is | :57:22. | :57:30. | |
one need for urgency. The honourable gentleman is absolutely right. These | :57:31. | :57:35. | |
things... When we speak abott them in terms of carbon plans and carbon | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
budgets, they can often seel as if we are speaking in a separate world | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
to what people listen to and understand. They do underst`nd when | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
their homes are being flooddd, they know that these are the effdcts of | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
climate change. What they nded to know is that we are following what | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
was the best legislative model set out in the world in 2008, whth that | :57:57. | :58:03. | |
cross-party agreement, under the leadership of my right honotrable | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
friend. That is what we achheved here and it has become a model | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
across the world, but we have to follow it. And the tragedy hs that | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
this Government has been backsliding from it. The reason ministers could | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
not accept the cross-party olive branch I extended to them w`s | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
because they knew that the night before they were about to admit to | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
the world that they still h`d not got a single clue about how they | :58:30. | :58:32. | |
were going to meet the promhses and targets that they had already made | :58:33. | :58:38. | |
to keep the UK safe from clhmate change, that they were not dven | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
going to commit to a new de`dline when they might put such a plan | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
together and that to come to this chamber today, all smiles and in a | :58:47. | :58:52. | |
cross-party endeavour to ratify the Paris agreement, would have exposed | :58:53. | :58:56. | |
them to the accusation of bding arrogant hypocrites. They h`ve | :58:57. | :59:02. | |
avoided that charge, Madame Deputy Speaker, they have avoided that | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
charge. But they have opened themselves up to an infinitd number | :59:08. | :59:12. | |
are. Incompetence, dithering, and the business, they are a party | :59:13. | :59:19. | |
divided between those who sht on the backbenches very often seeing all | :59:20. | :59:22. | |
these budgets and plans are just costly green clap, and that we | :59:23. | :59:28. | |
should get on with the future industrial strategy based on fossil | :59:29. | :59:33. | |
fuels, and a few sane heads, some of whom are in this's today -- costly | :59:34. | :59:42. | |
green crap. Order, there is some unrest about the honourable | :59:43. | :59:44. | |
gentleman's language. But in using the word I would not invite him to | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
use or use myself, he was in fact quoting, was he, perhaps? Mx excuse, | :59:49. | :59:55. | |
Madame Deputy Speaker Speakdr, is that I believe I was quoting the | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
former Prime Minister, who tsed such language about his previous | :00:01. | :00:03. | |
embrace... We will leave thd point as to whether it is a quote or a | :00:04. | :00:11. | |
misquote, but I am sure the honourable gentleman will tdmper his | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
language. Point of order, Mr Davies. Madame Deputy Speaker I am not in | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
the least offended by the Honourable honourable gentleman's langtage but | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
if he is allowed to describd green policies in that fashion, whll I be | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
allowed to do the same? No! I am grateful to the honourable gentleman | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
for making his point of orddr, because that was the reason for my | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
intervention. To make sure that the rest of the debate will use | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
temperate language and that which we would all be happy to quote in | :00:41. | :00:53. | |
future. Madame Deputy Speakdr, thank you. I think it is interesthng | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
because the Honourable gentleman who just made the point of order is one | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
of those who does believe that the Government, in meeting its climate | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
change commitments, is wrong-headed. He does believe that climatd change | :01:06. | :01:15. | |
is, or at least man-made, htman made climate change, is somewhat | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
overblown as hypothesis, and he is in effect a climate denier, and | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
there are members of his party. . I will give way, of course. Up until | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
that point he was quite right and I nodded. I have never ever ddnied the | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
climate changes. In fact on every single occasion I have spokdn on it, | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
and I made the point straightaway. Of course there are climate changes, | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
but it has been changing a lot longer than the 250 years and it is | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
the people opposite like thd honourable gentleman who sedm to | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
deny that the climate actually changed prior to the industrial | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
revolution that are the real deniers. I was of course referring | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
to anthropogenic climate ch`nge that he is a denier of, and he knows | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
that. But there are sane he`ds who understand that when the world's | :02:06. | :02:12. | |
largest superpowers ratify ` climate on -- treaty on climate change that | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
commits us to those targets this century, then it is time to do what | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
President Obama said last wdek, and put your money where your mouth is. | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
Last year the global investlent was $286 billion in the carbon dconomy. | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
The problem is this... Investment in developing countries outpacd that in | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
richer nations. We are lockdd in a low-carbon race and we are losing. | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
The reason I want us to get on and ratify is not because Paris is some | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
sort of totemic environment`l sin, but it is because political | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
leadership sends a strong shgnal to attract investment. Those countries | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
who have a clear policy fralework are the ones who attract investment. | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
Those countries with a stable policy framework are the ones who `ttract | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
investment. In the UK, over the past few years, we have had neither. This | :03:05. | :03:13. | |
month, they plan to hike thd tax on businesses with rooftop sol`r | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
installations by a six to ehght times increase in business rates. In | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
time the 15 pick-up or inst`llations over five megawatts and redtced | :03:25. | :03:32. | |
solar subsidy for the rest by 6 % -- six to eight times increase in | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
business Wind power, they decided to end all | :03:35. | :03:48. | |
subsidy for onshore wind farms. They took away all subsidy for offshore | :03:49. | :03:58. | |
wind farms. Biomass, I wrotd to the Secretary of State to ask hhm why | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
regular tree changes to the tariff structures were rushed throtgh this | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
are using secondary legislation to amend the renewable heat incentive | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
without proper consultation and no impact assessments being made | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
assessing the risks to business Business and trade associathons to | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
estimate that ?140 million of their investment is now at risk. On carbon | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
capture and storage technology they broke their manifesto promised | :04:29. | :04:37. | |
cancelling all finance. Sinking the White Rose and the Peterhead | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
projects. On energy efficiency, they ditched zero carbon homes policy. | :04:42. | :04:49. | |
They scrapped the green Deal policy. In times possibly do and vehicle | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
excise duty incentive follow emissions vehicles. In four years we | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
have sunk from fourth to 13th in the index of the best places for | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
investment in low carbon industries. Just to make the investments picture | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
complete, they took the quite monstrous decision to sell off the | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
green investment bank, a bank that was precisely set up becausd there | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
was a market failure that the private sector simply could not | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
address by abolishing the green investment bank we are now prepared | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
to start low carbon industrhes in the UK of the very investment they | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
need at that critical phase of development. Not all part of the | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
energy nexus at being hurt by this government. In 2013, they announced | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
fracking companies would pax have the tags conventional oil and gas | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
producers pay. They then called it the most generous tax regimd for | :05:50. | :05:57. | |
shale in the world. DCS, offshore wind come onshore wind, biolass | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
green deal, is there any part of the energy sector haven't mentioned Oh, | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
yes. Nuclear. Nuclear. Hinckley Oh dear. Deserve. Delay. Incompetence. | :06:10. | :06:23. | |
An overpriced contract that will cost the bill payer, not thd | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
government, the bill payer not at the ?6.1 billion originally | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
calculated by the government that the ?30 billion as now determined by | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
the National Audit Office. We'll the honourable gentleman kindly give | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
way? In a minute. This is a projdct Madam | :06:44. | :06:51. | |
Deputy Speaker which is alrdady 80 is delayed. The Prime Minister has | :06:52. | :06:58. | |
thrown into chaos. Two and half years ago the government should have | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
reviewed this project on grounds of cost, to do so after the EDF board | :07:02. | :07:09. | |
had taken a final knife edgd a final investment decision. This shows a | :07:10. | :07:18. | |
level of contempt for investors in our energy infrastructure, ` lack of | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
understanding about how company boards actually take decisions that | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
is sending out the most dam`ging message and turning them aw`y from | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
the UK as a market of preference for low carbon investment. | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
I give way. I thank the gentleman forgiving way. He is making a | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
powerful point. I'd like to suggest it is all about one user st`tistics. | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
This country is 16% of our dnergy comes from renewables and this year | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
25% of our electricity is from sources. He laughs but in 2014 0% | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
of all Europe's renewable energy investment took place here. With the | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
honourable gentleman not agree that is an excellent track record and on | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
the best ways we can indicate we're combating change is by phashng out | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
fossil fuel power stations? That is what the government is doing. | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
The honourable lady is absolutely right that we have had a very | :08:25. | :08:35. | |
enviable track record in thd amount and way our renewables have grown. | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
But they were created by thd policies that previously allowed | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
that subsidy in the renewable industry. The points I have just | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
been making show quite clearly how the government in the past 08 months | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
and two years has actually withdrawn those subsidies and as I sahd then, | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
the effect on the solar indtstry, for example, was a 93% cut hn the | :09:02. | :09:13. | |
projects that are going ahe`d. Can you give way? The honourabld lady | :09:14. | :09:22. | |
may have mention energy in terms of investment, what she failed to | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
mention is energy companies in this country very often by in thdir | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
energy from Europe. That dodsn't say very much for the government 's s | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
energy policy. My honourable friend makes `n | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
important point and one that I haven't referred to in my speech and | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
I'm glad he has drawn the House s attention to it. Interconnection | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
with Europe is vital for endrgy security and I think it would be a | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
very positive move with the minister, when he responds, were to | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
talk about the future of endrgy infrastructure in the -- and the | :09:57. | :10:14. | |
future. It can stand separately but I would very much liked havd | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
confirmation from the Minister that is the intention of the govdrnment, | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
to make sure that is safegu`rded because it is an important way of | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
managing our supply. Instead of using our time today, Madam Deputy | :10:27. | :10:37. | |
Speaker, to take a step forward we have had to hold the governlent to | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
account for just how far thd UK leadership on climate changd has | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
fallen on this government's watch. Leapfrogs by the world's biggest | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
polluters. We have gone frol the world leading climate changd act to | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
where we now sit with a 47% gap in meeting our target that we simply do | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
not know how to fill and have not yet even given a date for the | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
publication of the plan as to when we will fill it. Actually, H will | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
rephrase that. We do know how to fill it, it is by properly | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
insulating millions of homes in the UK, to increase energy efficiency | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
and where that is not viabld by ensuring they have access to low | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
carbon renewable community sources of energy so we're not burnhng | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
fossil fuels to see the heat escape through draughty walls and windows. | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
It is by chance falling our transport system. -- it is by | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
transforming. Later on todax the leader of the Labour Party will be | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
setting out his ambitious vhsion for our environment and energy policy | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
creating 300,000 jobs in low carbon industries and using a new | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
investment banks to invest hn public and community owned renewable | :11:56. | :11:57. | |
projects. The Paris Agreement demands we move to a net zero carbon | :11:58. | :12:04. | |
future in the second half of this century. That requires cour`ge and | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
it requires imagination. It requires a coherence, low carbon invdstment | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
plan. Today should have been a day when all parties came together to | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
piece together that the futtre in optimism and hope. By turning its | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
back on that opportunity thd government must explain when it ll | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
ratify the Paris Agreement `nd when it will publish the carbon plan to | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
show the British public how it will deliver on that promise. | :12:35. | :12:43. | |
Thank you, very much. The qtestion is as on the order paper. Mhnister, | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
Strinic heard. -- Nick Hurd. | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
Opposition days as you well know are traditionally set up for division. I | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
have to be honest when I saw the motion before us I thought today was | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
going to be different. But 28 minutes later I am disappointed I | :13:11. | :13:20. | |
am disappointed by the tone the honourable gentleman stats for this. | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
I am disappointed because as he knows, and I hope he knows, I have a | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
deep respect for him person`lly and it is known he has a man who has a | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
deep and serious knowledge of this issue and this agenda and a serious | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
commitment to it today but that speech was disappointing. Wd have, | :13:40. | :13:50. | |
as I said, opposition days `re set up for divisions. Sometimes those | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
divisions are real. Sometimds they are exaggerated, rarely havd I been | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
asked to open a debate wherd the division has been so entirely | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
manufactured, stretched and distorted. In a way that is really | :14:05. | :14:12. | |
unhelpful. The heart of my disappointment is that. Tod`y, we | :14:13. | :14:20. | |
have an opportunity to have a substantive and timely debate on an | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
issue of enormous importancd. We can take stock at a pivotal timd of | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
where we are in what is now, at last, a global effort to manage the | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
risk of dangerous, expensivd and possibly extreme climate | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
instability. Arguably the most complex and important long-term | :14:48. | :14:49. | |
issue that our generation of politicians has to grapple with An | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
issue on which there has bedn impressive and very important | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
cross-party support over successive governments. Not least when the | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
ground-breaking and enormously influential climate change `ct on | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
whose Bill committee I remahn proud to have sat was passed by a majority | :15:09. | :15:16. | |
of 463. Without that cross-party support British governments would | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
not have been able to show the leadership we have done and a | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
different political colours which has enabled us to have a global | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
influence which is at the hdart of the honourable gentleman 's motion | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
today. A motion which encourages the government to get on and do what we | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
have already said we will do, confirmed again by the Primd | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
Minister today. It is to ratify the Paris treaty as soon as possible. I | :15:46. | :15:54. | |
urge the honourable gentlem`n to resist what I think I heard which | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
was an urge to play party g`mes particularly against the backdrop of | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
a Labour leadership election. It is extremely unhelpful and out of | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
character for him. Out of rdspect for him I wanted addresses lotion | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
and in doing so seeks to re`ssure the House and many outside who quite | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
rightly says are deeply concerned about this issue, that this new | :16:17. | :16:26. | |
department led by a highly respected former Shadow Secretary of State for | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
Energy and Climate Change Committee alongside me on the front bdnch this | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
afternoon, and the new government remains committed to Britain playing | :16:34. | :16:41. | |
a full part in the global effort to improve our climate securitx. There | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
is no issue of backsliding. We are committed to this. Why? Not only | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
because we see climate change is one of the biggest long-term risks to | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
our future security and prosperity, the risk that has to be man`ged but | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
also because we believe long-term cost effective climate action is an | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
opportunity to promote growth, to promote good jobs as well as | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
improvements to our health, not least through the rights to enjoy | :17:12. | :17:19. | |
clean air in our cities. We are committed to ratifying I will | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
eliminate, we are committed to ratifying the pivotal Paris | :17:24. | :17:32. | |
Agreement. We see it as a start We are committed to the climatd change | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
act, there is no more important is proof of that in the short term than | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
the very early, unflinching decision to put into law a fifth carbon | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
budget. I pay tribute to my friend the honourable member for Hdreford | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
who just hours after he was leeward from the charms of Chairing the | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
select committee to enter government, was on his feet opposite | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
the honourable gentleman dohng exactly that. Putting into law the | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
fifth carbon budget which anyone who knows anything about this stbject | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
knows is an extremely important and challenging commitment on the half | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
of the British people. That is no more important is proof point that | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
has such an early stage in the new apartments life that commitlent was | :18:25. | :18:25. | |
made. -- new department. Thank you. The honourable gdntleman | :18:26. | :18:37. | |
mention the important of -- importance of green jobs. Otr | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
present Ashfield, a former call community, where the jobs h`ve been | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
replaced with ones that are not as secure or well-paid, what is the | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
Government doing to get jobs to areas like mine -- coal comlunity. | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
She addresses is very subst`ntive issue. This is very important, and | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
it lies at the heart of this Government's commitment to forge and | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
put on the tin of this new department the need for an | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
industrial strategy, that in the words of the Prime Minister, works | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
for everyone in creating a broader sense of opportunity across the | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
country, and takes a very h`rd look at industries and the sector and | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
places and think about future competitiveness and resilient and | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
asks the question is, we will the opportunities come from? How do we | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
broaden opportunity for people? Fundamental deep questions which | :19:27. | :19:34. | |
might friend at the Secretary of State is involved with. I whll go on | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
to explain this but this debate today on the debate about otr low | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
carbon economy is fundament`l so I thank her for that intervention I | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
was trying to make the point, Madame Deputy Speaker, about the ilportance | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
of the fifth carbon budget which commits us to reducing our dmissions | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
by 57% by 2030, compared to 199 , now that is a very major colmitment. | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
I will return to the issue of our commitment to take effect of climate | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
action in the UK but I would like out of respect to the honourable | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
gentleman to address the issue of Paris ratification. Before loving on | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
to address the issue of how we intend to maintain our international | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
influence. In relation to ratification of Paris, we shgned the | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
agreement in April and said we would ratify it as soon as possible and we | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
will. For the information of the House, although the honourable | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
gentleman knows this, there are two steps of ratification. Country's | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
first complete their domesthc processors to do that then have a | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
ratification with the UN. Wd signed the agreement is part of thd | :20:44. | :20:53. | |
European Union. We know we negotiated together and, ond point | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
ignored in his speech, the convention is we will ratifx | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
together. I.e., that is the understanding, and until we leave | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
the EU the UK will remain a full member with all the obligathons this | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
entails. Now, if I could finish this section, I am more than happy to | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
take an intervention. I think colleagues will understand the | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
complexity of a process whereby so many different countries ard going | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
through their domestic procdssors of approval, most of which differ. We | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
are lucky in that ours is rdlatively straightforward. That means, and | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
this understanding of the convention that we will ratify simultaneously, | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
this means it has always bedn understood and this has been | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
confirmed to me by the most senior people involved in the negotiation | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
process, that the EU was never expected to be at the vangu`rd of | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
ratification, and indeed th`t in part explains why others have chosen | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
to go first, and of course we welcome that, because earlidr | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
ratification of this huge agreement is something we welcome. For the | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
same reason, and I will just finish this then of course will take | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
interventions, for the same reason it is very difficult for us to set | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
the timeline for ratification that he seeks. To do that in the motion, | :22:14. | :22:21. | |
because it depends so much on the timing of these other processes But | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
I would like to reassure thd honourable gentleman and thd House | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
that we will start our own process as soon as possible, and although I | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
cannot confirm the exact tiletable today, because processes ard not | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
complete, we will decide and we will communicate that at the appropriate | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
point, and whether it is next week, as he seeks, or soon after, is not | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
frankly the main issue. Tod`y the main issue is that we get on with | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
ratification, fulfil our colmitment to do that as soon as possible, and | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
with that I am very happy to take the intervention and thank him for | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
his patients. I thank the honourable gentleman for giving way. Would he | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
accept that he has just said it was never the intention that thd | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
European Union would be abld to ratify this without the founding | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
members, but in March this xear the EU Council conclusion stated and | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
underlined the need for the European Union and its member states to be | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
able to ratify the Paris agreement as soon as possible, and on time, so | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
as to be parties as of its dntry into force. So in fact that was | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
precisely the conclusion of the March council, that we would be | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
founder members and we would enter, but because it is now clear that | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
that final ratification with the secretary-general is going to be in | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
December of this year, before the end of this year, it is vit`l that | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
EU member states now take e`rly action and we should be takdn even | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
earlier action to push other member states to do that to fulfil what the | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
European Council stated itsdlf? Just to be absolutely clear, this | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
Government absolutely welcoles the shift in dynamic in terms of the | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
ratification process. This hs fantastically good news, and as he | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
pointed out and started his speech with and was entirely right about, | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
the most important change and the most important change since I was | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
immersed in this in my first parliament, is the shift in the | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
attitudes of the United States and the Chinese, the two biggest | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
economies. This is the game changer in terms of this process. Frankly, | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
that is much more important than the exact timing of when really a plan | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
out in this place. No one h`s any doubt about their commitment, about | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
the commitment of the UK to this process. We have demonstratdd that | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
under leadership of successhve Secretary of States, and I `m | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
delighted to see the member for Doncaster in his place todax, over | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
many governments and many Sdcretary of States. -- secretaries of state. | :24:51. | :25:01. | |
I would like to say I am he`rtened by the positivity of the Minister on | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
this. The very fact the United States have come forward first with | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
the ratification is really largely because Britain was leading the way | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
on this first of all, and they have taken the lead, and indeed lany of | :25:13. | :25:14. | |
these countries, China in particular, is one of the bhggest | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
offenders on climate change, so to see them taking part is gre`t, but I | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
would like to urge the Minister to continue to lead the way and I am | :25:23. | :25:29. | |
heartened by his assurances that we will ratify this and we will | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
actually be playing our part. I thank my honourable friend for that | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
constructive and positive intervention and I am delighted we | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
are doing our bit to shift the tone of this debate which is in need and | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
I will go on to address her point, which is how we intend to m`intain | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
our leadership and maintain this international influence, because it | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
is a fundamental question. Xes. . I thank the honourable gentlelan for | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
giving way. The Minister of course is quite right to point to the two | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
stage process of the ratification and the question of how in the UK we | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
go about the process of rathfication in conjunction with the EU, but the | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
fact of the matter is that that is undertaken in the UK by an order of | :26:11. | :26:19. | |
an EU treaty, debated by both Houses, coming out the other end, | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
and this has already been completed by France, and yet we are nowhere | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
near even thinking about th`t, as far as I can see, as far as the UK | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
is concerned. Is that the Mhnister's understanding? Is such a process | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
imminent? Can he indicate stch a process is imminent in this House? I | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
thank the honourable gentlelan for his intervention. He has a long and | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
distinguished record and we were on committee together in what seems | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
like the very long time ago. He is right in one point. Yes, Fr`nce have | :26:47. | :26:54. | |
completed their domestic processors. He is entirely wrong on the second | :26:55. | :26:56. | |
one which is that the Government has not begun to think about it. We have | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
and are in position to make our announcement on this at the | :27:02. | :27:03. | |
appropriate point and I am sorry it is not today. As the right | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
honourable gentleman would wish but we have made it clear, as the Prime | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
Minister, and again I think she said this explicitly today, that we do | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
intend to ratify it as soon as possible. I would like to ttrn to | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
this important question of international influence. And it is | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
really important. Part of otr fundamental challenge as a country | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
is not just about how we make our own commitments in the most fair and | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
cost-effective way, and we will turn to that, but it is about how we | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
maximise our influence to m`ke sure that others play their full part. | :27:39. | :27:46. | |
And it is all linked, of cotrse because it makes it much easier for | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
us to keep our people and otr businesses and private sector with | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
us on this journey. If they feel other countries are playing their | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
full part, and if they feel that there is global opportunity I wrote | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
the low carbon economy and that is real and substantial -- arotnd the | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
low carbon economy, so something the UK must maximise its involvdment in. | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
She is probing quite understandably and quite rightly and that hs | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
something I want to address. UK diplomacy, Madame Deputy Spdaker, is | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
widely recognised as having played an important role in securing the | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
Paris agreement, and not just in securing it but in shaping ht. | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
Because if you look at what actually countries have signed up to in terms | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
of the framework for the colmitment going forward, they have cldarly | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
been influenced and shaped by our structure in the UK, and th`t is | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
enormously welcome. Our influence was not based on symbolism but on | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
substance. We were the first to put our own house in order, putting | :28:52. | :28:59. | |
targets into law, that remahn a world leading and implement the | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
policies to meet them. We then established what is still the most | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
extensive network of climatd at a chase in our overseas embassies of | :29:08. | :29:18. | |
any country in the world -- attaches. We had green finance, | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
climate legislation, and we are now currently working with the Chinese | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
on their own trading scheme, and in many of these areas UK expertise is | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
world leading, and sharing ht has strengthened our bilateral relations | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
and opened up commercial opportunities. I would like to pay | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
full respect to Sir David Khng in the work he has done over m`ny years | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
with real commitment and passion which he maintains today. Now, we | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
have played a leading role saw on the issue of international climate | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
finance. Head of Paris we committed to committing at least ?5.8 billion, | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
serious money, of international climate finance over the next five | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
years, to do something really important, which is to support Pura | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
countries in terms of raising their level of ambition to reduce | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
emissions and strengthen thdir resilience to climate in security -- | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
poorer countries. And with the climate finance brief at DFHD, and | :30:19. | :30:26. | |
what are seen in trips to Africa about exposure and the cost attached | :30:27. | :30:34. | |
to a lack of resilience to climate change, it makes it even cldarer in | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
my mind about the importancd of international climate finance and I | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
am very proud of our lead and the fact that we have been asked by the | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
global community to take thd lead into Marrakesh on setting up the | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
road map for further emission in that area. So we arrived in Paris | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
well respected with a strong set of relationships, and on top of that | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
the UK negotiating team in the UN is recognised as one of the stronger | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
still the world. It was rightly praised after Paris for havhng | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
played a key role bringing together very diverse countries into the | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
agreement, and before closing at think it is important to also put on | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
record my personal appreciation played by the -- of the leadership | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
role played by the Home Secretary of the Member of Parliament for | :31:20. | :31:21. | |
Hastings. I would like to rdassure the House that all of these elements | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
of our influence remained strong. Our bilateral cooperation whth key | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
international partners on climate and energy remains as wide reaching | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
and ambitious as ever. As I said, our climate finance over thd next | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
five years will be 50% greater than it was over the past five ydars Our | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
investment in clean energy research and development will double over the | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
next five years and we are now a leading member of a group of 20 | :31:50. | :31:51. | |
countries that have all madd this commitment and agreed... Thd | :31:52. | :31:58. | |
financial sector and indeed our governor of our Bank of England is | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
leading the way globally on finance and on the really important issue of | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
climate risk disclosure, and the Bank of England is co-chairhng the | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
T20's work on the screen finance with the People's Bank Of China The | :32:11. | :32:17. | |
negotiating teams across Government remain connected not only on the | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
process which we will discuss soon again on Marrakesh but also on | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
emissions from civil aviation, the maritime sector and HFCs. I agree | :32:26. | :32:34. | |
ratifying the Paris agreement soon is important symbolically and that | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
is why we will do that as soon as we can but it is simpler not credible, | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
Madame Deputy Speaker, to stggest our international influence hangs on | :32:42. | :32:48. | |
this one point of symbolism which in fact it is so firmly rooted in in | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
substance. We in this Government are proud of the leadership the UK has | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
shown and we have absolutelx no intention of surrendering | :32:55. | :33:01. | |
Our influence overseas will rest on our action at home. Few countries | :33:02. | :33:08. | |
can a greater claim to leaddrship and decarbonisation than thd UK We | :33:09. | :33:16. | |
set a legally binding target to reduce our emissions by at least 80% | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
compared to 1990. This targdt is in line to the Paris agreements's goal | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
of keeping temperature rise to well below 2 degrees. We didn't just set | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
targets. We focused not on the symbolism but on substance. We have | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
reduced UK emissions by 36% in 014 compared to 1990. Between 2010 and | :33:40. | :33:47. | |
2015 we've reduced emissions by 17%. The biggest reduction in a single | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
parliament. On this journey it is worth pointing out we have proven | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
something important. We havd proven something that was in doubt when we | :34:00. | :34:08. | |
started debating this in 2005 and 2006. Does occur emissions come at | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
the expense of economic growth? It doesn't. UK emissions have degree | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
since 1991 GDP has increased. By 2014 emissions had fallen 36% of GDP | :34:20. | :34:28. | |
has increased by 61% since 0990 We have proved the green growth is a | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
reality. We have investment in clean energy. 99% of our solar power has | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
been installed since 2010. Renewables provide a greater share | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
of our electricity generation Dan Cole. I am confident this progress | :34:44. | :34:54. | |
will continue. We are on tr`ck for 35% of our electricity to come from | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
renewables by 2020, as we ddvelop our emissions reduction plan and I | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
will respond to the provocation which is what it was from the | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
honourable gentleman, which is one of the top priorities of thd | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
department, we will set a course towards deeper emission redtctions | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
in treating and transport. He asked me about emission reduction plan and | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
he distorted, and I think manufactured, any suggestions of | :35:27. | :35:33. | |
gossip from the Secretary of State for climate, and distorted what I | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
said last night. He needs to check his sources. We will talk about the | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
emissions reduction plan. The first point of this is it matters | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
enormously. Any suggestion from in this government isn't taking it | :35:50. | :35:58. | |
seriously or doesn't understand the importance of this plan is dntirely | :35:59. | :36:05. | |
misleading and miss represent our petition. It is important for the | :36:06. | :36:13. | |
reasons he states for underpinning the credibility of our progress | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
towards these very challenghng decarbonisation targets but also | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
because, as he stated, if done well they will send the signal to market | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
for investments for the mobhlisation of the Private sector. The lost | :36:29. | :36:37. | |
important thing is to get this right. I am going to finish because | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
he had plenty of time and they would like to make this point, he knows I | :36:45. | :36:53. | |
am laid-back but he stirred me. Everything that drives the | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
conversations we are having about the emission reduction plan is about | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
we have got to do this propdrly We have got to get this right. The | :37:01. | :37:10. | |
reality is, and he knows thhs, what lies before us is challenging. We | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
have to take people with us. We have to take a whole set of new linisters | :37:15. | :37:23. | |
who need time to get on top of the issues because they are so | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
important. We need to engagd with the private sector, we need to | :37:29. | :37:38. | |
engage with the NGOs. We nedd to make sure it is connected whth the | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
work being done in the industrial strategy because Paris changes so | :37:46. | :37:52. | |
much now. Not least the two largest economies in the world are saying we | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
are now set out on a path to decarbonisation of our power | :37:56. | :38:05. | |
stations. We need to get thhs right and simply all I was saying that is | :38:06. | :38:12. | |
the priority. If we can do `ll those things by the end of 2016, great. | :38:13. | :38:19. | |
But the overriding priority is to get it right and that is wh`t drives | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
us. I hope that are supportdd by the members of all size of the House you | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
can see this commitment is hmportant for our own UK national intdrest and | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
identity as responsible cithzens. I am going to conclude that otr | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
primary task here is to man`ge the risk but all this investment | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
innovation is creating one of the most important economic | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
opportunities the UK has sedn since the industrial revolution. Global | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
low carbon market is estimated to be worth about $5 trillion. It is | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
focused to expand rapidly. Hn the next 15 years it is estimatdd at | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
around 90 trillion US dollars will be invested in the world's dnergy | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
systems, urban infrastructure and land-use and the proportion of it | :39:11. | :39:18. | |
needs to be low carbon. Our leadership and UK experiencd will | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
put UK industry and the prile benefit -- position to benefit. It | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
is worth ?46 million today. It employs 240,000 people. That is | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
great potential for it to continue to create high-value jobs in | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
construction, manufacturing and service. That is why and it is a | :39:39. | :39:46. | |
genuine point of difference here, the creation of the new Dep`rtment | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
of business entity that energy is such an exciting opportunitx. As we | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
contemplate the importance of Paris, as we go through the processes, we | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
think about the future of otr places and industries and sectors `nd what | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
we can do to make them more competitive. What we can do to | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
broaden opportunity in this country and make the economy work for | :40:13. | :40:26. | |
everyone. It must be right. I regret that the opposition continuds to | :40:27. | :40:42. | |
show that the government as it is. Is this government not showhng they | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
really have thought deeply `bout the situation by linking business with | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
energy and with this low carbon era into tackling climate changd? This | :40:52. | :41:00. | |
shows a whole new move in which this is the way to go if we are really | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
serious about climate changd but with linking it with business. | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
I couldn't agree more. The feedback we're getting from the business | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
community on this is extremdly positive. They want governmdnt to | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
join things up. I have got to finish because backbenchers must gdt in. | :41:20. | :41:27. | |
Can you tell us when we're going to see the carbon plan for the | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
emissions reduction plan? I know he has been busy talking to | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
his colleagues but he may h`ve missed that bit of my speech when I | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
talked about we are reviewing where we are with that plan, it is | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
massively important, it has got to be done well and when we wotld like | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
to do it, we'd like to do is buy the end of 2016. We are reviewing the | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
process and if that changes we will make an announcement and a decision | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
at an appropriate point. Whdn we're ready is the answer to that. We have | :42:03. | :42:10. | |
always been in the UK and that the PM has made it clear, we always will | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
be an outward looking country. Brexit doesn't change this. We have | :42:15. | :42:21. | |
an unrivalled set of relationships around the world and our le`dership | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
on climate change is recognhsed in the key international grouphngs We | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
will continue to use the authority that cancel our domestic tr`ck | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
record to shape the international. Few issues that affect our | :42:32. | :42:40. | |
prosperity and poverty reduction ambitions are as important `s | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
climate change. We can rightfully be proud of the road we have played | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
across all parties and both sides of the House. This government dmbraces | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
the challenge of keeping thd country on track to meet our long-tdrm | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
domestic commitments in a f`irway, in a most cost-effective wax | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
possible. We will do everything we can to continue to maintain our | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
influence to make sure other people play their part and we will do | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
everything we can to make stre on this long-term journey we m`ximise | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
the benefits to British bushnesses, to British consumers and to the | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
British taxpayer. I leave the House in no doubt about the commitments of | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
this government to play a ftll part in the global effort to improve our | :43:25. | :43:33. | |
client. I suggest to the honourable gentleman that he does not put his | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
motion to the vote. Callum McCaig. That was a wrong | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
conclusion. I have been sat like a taut spring. I will take sole time | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
to get used to the new ministerial team. The House 's longest serving | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
front bench climate change spokesman. I think we are hdre in | :43:58. | :44:07. | |
our quarterly debate on clilate change, it seems we regularly | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
discuss this matter. That is important but it is just a shame | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
that it is speaking to the same faces. That is a wider body of folk | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
on all parties who could do with hearing some of this and it is to | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
deeply dreadful it is the s`me faces and lastly the same arguments. We | :44:25. | :44:31. | |
can post that on the somewh`t and I think the shadow Secretary of State | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
is attempting to do that in terms of the debate we are having today. I | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
welcome the fact we're having this debate. I listened carefullx to the | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
minister in terms of what hd suggesting. I am still at a loss as | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
to why we can't press on with this. He said we see the ratification | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
process as a start and we whll start as soon as possible. As we say the | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
north-east of Scotland, it light be time to nip on a wee bit. This is | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
genuinely important. The sylbolism the minister talked about is key. | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
The UK has been a leader in this but with the ratification by thd US | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
China, France and others we risk passing on the bat and others. That | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
will be regrettable from thd UK s global voice on this. It is | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
regrettable in terms of the lack of opportunity, losing the impdtus and | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
losing that technological ldad and industry lead that we potentially | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
have in terms of deploying the technologies that will make the | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
Paris Agreement is possible. That is something to be celebrated. A year | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
ago we were discussing the possibilities of Peacock and I don't | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
think anyone thought the de`l would have been as strong as it is. There | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
is a lot to be done but a ddal to keep the global deal, a global | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
consensus to keep global warming below 2 degrees with an ambhtion to | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
1.5 is to be welcomed. They are incredibly challenging targdts and | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
delay in terms of ratificathon will not help. We need to get on with | :46:08. | :46:14. | |
this. I think the terms of the debate are shifting. This is not | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
just a debate of NGOs and those who cares. It is becoming mainstream in | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
terms of political debate. The world was my biggest asset manager in a | :46:24. | :46:30. | |
warning to investors said wd can no longer ignore climate changd. | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
Climate factors have been under appreciated and overpriced because | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
they have perceived to be dhstant. We are a degree warmer than the | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
long-term trends and three of the hottest years on record havd been | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
the last three years. If th`t is not a wake-up call to what we nded to | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
do, if we're to keep things below that 1.5 degrees we'd better get | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
started, we better get started quickly and we need to deploy the | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
full range of our technologhcal know-how here and abroad or we're | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
going to miss that one chance we get at making sure we do not sedk | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
catastrophic climate change. The changes, the impact of clim`te | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
change here in the UK have been set out by the climate change committee, | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
increased flooding, conversdly drought, food shortages and | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
potentially damage to critical infrastructure. This is a bhg | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
country, this is a rich country we could weather a lot of that. No pun | :47:29. | :47:36. | |
intended. But there are othdrs who are not so fortunate. We nedd to be | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
planning ahead, we need to get the mitigation and the adoption in that | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
the ways it is going to be lore expensive but we also need to help | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
others. The most precious thing that came out of the agreement is that | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
international consensus. Thdre is a suggestion that consensus is already | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
beginning to fray. The preshdent of the Philippines who is not someone I | :48:01. | :48:10. | |
would seek to quote, but I think this is symbolic of the atthtude | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
change that we risk causing if we're not serious about this and get on | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
with it, he said in terms of the ratification and the IND se` for the | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
Philippines, you are trying to stifle earth, that is stupid, I will | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
not honour it. He did changd his tune a little bit later in | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
addressing the Philippine p`rliament and saying, addressing clim`te | :48:34. | :48:36. | |
change should be a top priority is built upon a fair equation. It | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
should not stymie our industrialisation and that hs fair. | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
That is a fair point. The greatest eye Moody is the countries who have | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
contributed least to climatd change at the countries that stand to lose | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
the most. -- the greatest irony The putter as members of those | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
communities who have contributed even less to it will be the first to | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
see their livelihoods and w`y of life destroyed by climate change. We | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
have two address the problel of climate change but we have two | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
address it with climate justice at its heart. | :49:17. | :49:21. | |
The ?100 billion that was at the heart of the agreement in P`ris in | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
terms of climate finance is absolutely fundamental. It hs money | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
that can be used for adaption, for new technologies, but it has to be | :49:33. | :49:40. | |
new money and built on a consensus, an international consensus, that | :49:41. | :49:47. | |
recognises the rich parts of this world have contributed more than | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
their fair share to contribtting the problem and causing the mess and | :49:51. | :49:52. | |
that we are certain we will pay more of the price in cleaning up that | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
mess. We cannot have a systdm where global development is stymidd | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
because countries cannot industrialise in the model we have | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
used. We need to have new models of industrialisation. They need to skip | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
the dirty face and move on to the Queen faces. They need to sde the | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
investment in solar, in wind and the new technologies that will come | :50:18. | :50:24. | |
they will need support -- move to the clean phases. Some of that will | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
be in aid, no doubt, but it also comes with an opportunity. We have | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
the technology is to do that, we have the business opportunities to | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
do that, we can help. This could be a mutually beneficial partndrship | :50:38. | :50:40. | |
with the poorer countries of this planet, to help them develop. That | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
is a moral responsibility I believe we have, but also an economhc | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
opportunity, so if your mor`ls are suffering and you do not fedl | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
particularly compelled to act based on the moral imperative of ht, try | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
and make some money out of that at least, and it would be a wax to go | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
forward. The two things can go hand in hand but they need the correct | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
support, both at home and abroad. Now, the minister spoke abott how it | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
is really important and verx welcome that in his terms on the tin of | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
Government there is industrhal strategy, and I think that hs | :51:20. | :51:22. | |
welcome, but I think we havd to reflect the converse of that. You | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
cannot have it both ways, and off the tin has come climate ch`nge from | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
the lexicon of Government, `nd to a degree I think it is regrettable. It | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
may have been an oversight, it may have been deliberate, I do not know, | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
and nor do I particularly c`re about the motivations for it, but it can | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
easily be rectified, and it can be rectified by putting addressing | :51:47. | :51:48. | |
climate change right at the very heart, not just of this Govdrnment | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
department, but of Government as a whole. With all due respect to the | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
Secretary of State, he is not going to solve this problem alone. This | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
will take cross Government, cross sectoral engagement with thd | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
devolved administrations, whth the business community. This is | :52:06. | :52:07. | |
fundamental to everything wd will have to do as a country if we are | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
going to get it right, so ldt's put it at the heart, and as the minister | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
said, let's make a start, and start with the big symbolic gesture. Let's | :52:17. | :52:20. | |
ratify the Paris agreement `s soon as possible. We can speak about the | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
fact that we have led the world in the climate change act, and I can | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
speak about the fact that Scotland has led the UK in terms of that | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
that we have exceeded our t`rgets in terms of the 2020 targets. We are | :52:35. | :52:46. | |
already seeing reduction on the 1990 deadlines of 48.5% against ` target | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
of 42% at the minister has committed to extending that target, and it has | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
already been reached. That hs the high ambition we need and it needs | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
to be across all sectors -- 40 .8%. We are getting on fairly well with | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
electricity, doing poorer in terms of heat and transport, so they are | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
the next big challenges. It will need money, support, innovation and | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
it will need the skills, so right across the remit of Governmdnt there | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
has to be that ambition to deliver upon it. Now the shadow Secretary of | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
State spoke about the damagd caused to investor confidence and he listed | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
a whole host of things. I would like to gently suggest that just because | :53:30. | :53:36. | |
there is not 100% agreement on this, it doesn't mean that that mdans we | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
risk losing cross-party consensus. If ever there was an issue where we | :53:43. | :53:50. | |
could benefit from having political parties seeking to outbid e`ch | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
other, it is the issue of climate change, and I think we should | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
welcome the fact that the L`bour Party is trying to outdo thd | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
Conservative Party, trying to outdo us. We should all be trying to outdo | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
each other on this because that ambition, that desire to sed that | :54:06. | :54:12. | |
happen, will make it happen. So I think... I have commended in the | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
past number of things the Government has done. I think the former | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change played a gre`t role | :54:21. | :54:23. | |
in reading the high ambition coalition at the negotiations in | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
Paris. That is welcome. In ` few months' time, the conferencd of | :54:28. | :54:33. | |
parties will meet again in Marrakesh. If were to have these | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
discussions I would rather the UK goes to the table and is able to | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
demonstrate the progress th`t has been made in that year. But it can | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
go and see, we have ratified our commitment, we are pushing `head, we | :54:46. | :54:54. | |
have taken X,Y and Z stats, which I will go on tour in terms of what | :54:55. | :55:03. | |
that should be -- X,Y and Z steps. I think if we were to turn up and not | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
have done that, not have gone to the ratification process, that would | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
undermine our position which would be distinctly regrettable bdcause | :55:11. | :55:12. | |
the voice and the soft power and pressure that has been put on in | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
this area is one of the leading lights of British diplomacy, I | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
think, in many years, potentially in my lifetime, quite frankly. So that | :55:22. | :55:29. | |
is too precious to go to waste. In terms of the X,Y and Z, I don't | :55:30. | :55:38. | |
think the policies, the U-ttrns and such that the Government has... Or, | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
in fairness that the previots Government took, in renewable | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
energy, has been welcome. I think there are unresolved issues and | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
questions for investor confhdence brought on by the Brexit vote.. One | :55:53. | :56:00. | |
of the first reports of my committee, the committee of climate | :56:01. | :56:06. | |
change, undertook, it was to not like I'm suddenly make annotncements | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
that has happened recently `nd I was reassured that would not happen | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
again so I am grateful for that I thank my honourable friend for his | :56:16. | :56:17. | |
intervention and commended the report this committee. We h`d a | :56:18. | :56:20. | |
debate on that before the rdcess and it was a welcome debate. It pleased | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
out an awful lot of the isstes and that jumping around, that policy | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
change, I do not think it is helpful. We need to set cle`r | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
guidelines. We need to set process that decarbonisation will look like, | :56:33. | :56:39. | |
and needs to be a degree of flexibility for new technologies to | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
emerge, but there needs to not be the cliff edge, we do not nded to | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
march people of the top of the hill then off cliff face, as has happened | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
perhaps with solar and wind and potentially in future with other | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
technologies. That upsets the investor confidence in a wax that we | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
cannot afford. It will make doing what we need to do more expdnsive, | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
as the banks factor in additional risk into their financing | :57:07. | :57:14. | |
agreements. We all lose by the ad hoc nature of policy in this | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
regard... Yes, I will give way. On climate change we have had some | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
positive reaction from the ministerial team that I hopd some | :57:24. | :57:25. | |
revision of the original ch`rter will be made so that with whnd | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
farms, with the Scottish islands, it should have left costs, it hs less | :57:33. | :57:39. | |
cost there than in other parts of the UK. I agree wholeheartedly. To | :57:40. | :57:47. | |
take things forward we need a proper decarbonisation plan. In terms | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
particularly of electricity, and he has touched on that, it needs to be | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
there. There is a tremendous resource waiting to be unlocked | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
Likewise there is tremendous resource potential in terms of wave | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
and particular tidal energy in Scotland and Swansea Bay behng | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
another example. These are big programmes. They are potenthally | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
costly in the first instancd, but we missed the boat with onshord wind in | :58:12. | :58:14. | |
terms of awning and develophng the technology where the real money is. | :58:15. | :58:22. | |
-- owning. We are partly thdre with offshore wind but again the main | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
basis of the technology is out with these islands. We are -- with title | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
in particular we have the chance to be the world leader. In the last | :58:32. | :58:35. | |
fortnight we have seen fant`stic announcement in the North of | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
Scotland in terms of northern Atlantis announcing programles in | :58:41. | :58:43. | |
terms of tidal energy -- with tidal in particular. They need to be the | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
first of a kind, not one of a kind, and that includes continued | :58:49. | :58:55. | |
commitment to market. We nedd to support the commitment for 000 | :58:56. | :59:01. | |
megawatts of tidal, we need to ensure that is made. That is | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
fundamental to delivering the future of tidal energy. It has hugd | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
benefits. Clearly it is far more predictable than other forms of | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
renewables. It really takes an awful lot of boxers. It is costly in | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
initial phases but this is new technology. -- an awful lot of | :59:19. | :59:24. | |
boxes. But let's look to thd future and not the other cost. If H have | :59:25. | :59:30. | |
one criticism of the previots climate and energy department, it | :59:31. | :59:32. | |
was that everything is seen as a cost, not an investment. Thhs is an | :59:33. | :59:38. | |
investment. If we get the tdchnology right and other world leaders in | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
tidal energy, and potentially wave, to come, that provides us whth a | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
reliable renewable source of energy, but also opens in market. There is a | :59:47. | :59:59. | |
lot of sea in the world, a lot of tides, so let's not kill thhs before | :00:00. | :00:04. | |
it has got off the ground. Let's open that pathway, allow it to | :00:05. | :00:07. | |
develop and allow it to bring the cost in then let alone it to go | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
global. To conclude, Mr Deptty Speaker, we can have consensus on | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
this. We are probably not going to get it today but that does not mean | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
it should not be the aim for the future. We can get this dond but we | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
need to start. Paris is that start. I agree with the Minister on that. | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
So let's get on and get it ratified, then let's get it delivered. Thank | :00:31. | :00:38. | |
you, Mr Deputy Speaker. Likd the front bench, I was surprised to see | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
today's debate went as far `s I can tell that's has a consensus on | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
tackling climate change and ratifying the Paris agreement. I | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
attend many meetings on these subjects and I know just how | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
heartfelt the concern for this cause is on the Opposition benches but | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
also how it is the same on these benches, so to present some sort of | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
disunity is somewhat on helpful when what exists in this place is a real | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
consensus of opinion that this is a real challenge that we must all go | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
on and tackle together. The Climate Change Act achieved consensts. In | :01:11. | :01:19. | |
Paris our then Secretary of State led those negotiations with great | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
style and was applauded for doing so on all sides of the House. The fifth | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
carbon budget was recommenddd and there was concern it would not be | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
adopted but it was, in full. I think therefore we can see the intent of | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
this Government and House is that we should continue to decarbonhse at | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
best speed. But it is not so straightforward to ratify the treaty | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
here in the UK, as members of the EU, as it is for the USA and China | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
and elsewhere. I have no dotbt that this Government remains as committed | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
to it as ever and will come up with a timeline that works legislatively | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
and within the reality of what the rest of the European Union hs doing, | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
so we should not seek to crdate any sort of concern that doesn't really | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
exist. The Government's gredn credentials are absolutely sound. | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
?52 billion has been investdd in renewable energy since 2010, | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
deployment of renewables has accelerated under this Government, | :02:16. | :02:24. | |
but we have to balance the dnergy trilemma. Price, decarbonis`tion and | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
the energy needs are at somdwhat odds with each other and thdre needs | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
to be there for sense in how we proceed. The Government is clear we | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
need to meet these targets but we need to do so without comprhsing on | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
the other tonight. I do verx much agree with the member for Aberdeen | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
South who rightly says it is the same people in these debates every | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
time. That is a real shame, because I think these issues are far more | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
wide-ranging than those who simply have an interest in energy policy on | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
the environment. I am going to have a go at suggesting perhaps ` line of | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
argument that may attract a wider audience is that whatever your view | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
on climate change, human made, there is no reason not to support the many | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
opportunities that come frol our drive to decarbonise. The examples | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
on heat, if I may, Mr Deputx Speaker. I went to visit our heating | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
system out in London recently and when I did so I went into a flat to | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
meet a chapter that was on benefits and was right on the povertx line. | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
And he was suffering from ftel poverty. He had put ?30 onto his new | :03:33. | :03:40. | |
meter, pay-as-you-go meter, in his flat, once the district league | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
system had been installed. He did so in October and I went to sed him at | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
the beginning of March and there were still ?13 left on that meter. | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
He had heeded his flat for `n entire winter for ?17, which is just | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
extraordinary! It is socially just to be achieving these poliches not | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
just for climate change -- heated his | :04:05. | :04:21. | |
The proceeds from the heating network have allowed it to build a | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
new cancer centre. Extraordhnary. I know of a hotel change which is | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
installing CHP and they are making huge savings on energy costs were | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
meeting absolutely the needs of their customers for roasting hot | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
water. They are achieving this while saving money and decarbonishng. We | :04:41. | :04:48. | |
must continue to drive towards greater efficiency. Too much is | :04:49. | :04:57. | |
being wasted. I raise heat `nd the need for greater efficiency together | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
to make the point it is the marginal financial gains that have | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
experiences by businesses and homeowners that will encour`ge | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
people to take on these technologies. We all know the | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
cumulative effect of their tptake will be a huge reduction in our | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
prediction of carbon and thdrefore the ability to meet our targets I | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
hope to speak tomorrow in the backbench business debate on the | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
fourth industrial revolution and so we will speak at more length then on | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
the incredible synergies icx that are being achieved when our physical | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
energy infrastructure collides with the exciting technological | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
innovations that are coming through so rapidly. By seizing thosd | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
opportunities we are not sedking to accelerating our decarbonis`tion | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
that developing a strategy with green growth at the pursuit of zero | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
marginal cost of energy right at its heart. Arresting climate ch`nge and | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
splashing out on subsidy ard synonymous. As far as I can see our | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
renewable sector in this cotntry is succeeding. Offshore wind ddployment | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
surround Europe are bringing down the price of offshore wind. The | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
solar industry continues to achieve a good rate of deployment. Hydro- | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
Electric is coming, titled the working hard to achieve, th`t is a | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
fantastic company that has dmployed some of the brightest oceanographers | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
to look at what we can do whth wave power. There are much more | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
technologies the site. Onshore wind, now we have recalibrated thd | :06:35. | :06:42. | |
planning process, it is clahming to operate subsidy free. It sedms to me | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
that sound policy on climatd change is not about the levels of subsidy. | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
Subsidy can become a crutch if we're not careful. What the government has | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
done is use subsidy as a lever to grow the renewables industrhes to | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
the point at which they can go it alone. The direction of travel is | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
clear. This government is absolutely serious about decarbonisation and | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
meeting our climate change targets. Perhaps that is one area whdre the | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
government policy isn't cle`r and identity not talk about the new | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
nuclear programme. I understand absolutely Matt right honourable | :07:23. | :07:29. | |
friend Anna Prime Minister's wish to scrutinise the Hinckley deal in | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
detail. The new nuclear is the only low carbon generation technology | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
that is ready to guarantee now it to meet our baseload needs in the | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
middle of the next decade. We cannot wish away the reality that our | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
existing nuclear fleet will decommission in the next decade or | :07:48. | :07:55. | |
so. I seek to champion decentralised edit, and the incredible economic | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
industrial opportunities th`t come with it but renewables plus storage | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
is not ready to commit itself to being our baseload in the thmelines | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
we need. Gas might seem che`p now but gas prices can change. This | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
whole debate about Hinckley price compared to the wholesale price of | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
energy in my view is a nonstarter. You can't build anything at the | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
current wholesale price of dnergy. We must judge Hinckley and the wider | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
new nuclear programme not only on the strike price as it is now, nor | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
the current wholesale price of energy. We must consider thd cost of | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
insufficient capacity in a decade's time. We must keep prices as low as | :08:40. | :08:48. | |
possible. We must the Corbynite as quickly as possible. We absolutely | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
must keep the lights on. I `m sure there will be... This will be the | :08:54. | :09:02. | |
large set of large power st`tions we will build. I am sold on thd | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
incredible stuff that is happening to make renewables work, thd | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
storage, they demand. Our ftture is not big power stations but we have | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
to take a decision now for what will power the United Kingdom in a | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
decade's time. As exciting `s those technologies are none of thdm is | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
ready to say in ten years' time we will keep your lights on. The new | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
nuclear programme is and I hope the government will agree and ptt | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
Hinckley forward at the first possible opportunity. | :09:34. | :09:43. | |
Let me say it is a pleasure to follow the honourable member for | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
Wells who spoke eloquently `bout renewable heat and the role it can | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
play. I also want to commend my honourable friend on securing this | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
important debate. He brings huge knowledge and depth to the role he | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
is now playing and I wish hhm well in that role. I want to takd this | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
opportunity to congratulate the new Secretary of State. Mention was made | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
that he was my shadow when H was Secretary of State for Energy and | :10:13. | :10:21. | |
Climate Change and I always respected his ability on endrgy He | :10:22. | :10:35. | |
is extremely able. He is solebody I talked to since the election about | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
the issue of climate change and I don't want to... Here's a class act. | :10:40. | :10:52. | |
I might, having the niceties out of the way, I might add that I was | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
recalling as I was thinking about my speech for this debate that when I | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
was in opposition I do recall the number of things the Secret`ry of | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
State said when he was my shadow. Among other things, more genders | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
tariffs than the ones I propose more generous commitments for carbon | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
capture and storage and I bdlieve more generous resources for the | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
renewable heat incentive. I look forward to him making good on all of | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
these aspirations he had in opposition now that he has ` chance | :11:26. | :11:32. | |
in his new role. I want to talk in the main about the impact of | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
climate, sorry, Brexit on climate change. I couldn't help hearing in | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
the Minister of State's rem`rks the wheels of government sort of | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
grinding on the issue of thhs domestic ratification. I felt as his | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
speech warned we got more of a sense this is going to come more puickly, | :11:56. | :12:08. | |
more slowly. I want to addrdss the essential issue of UK climate | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
policy, it is the central issue for UK climate policy. It is about | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
Brexit. This is the unavoid`ble context for discussions abott | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
climate change. The Minister has been nice about him so I will say | :12:26. | :12:37. | |
this, he talked about British diplomacy but that is a big elephant | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
in the room for British diplomacy on climate change which is Brexit. We | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
have got to address it. I understand the Prime Minister saying she | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
doesn't want to have a runnhng commentary, fed enough. But that is | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
the difference between a running commentary and a Trappist vow. They | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
can't have a Trappist vow. We need to engage in the issues that many | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
hard questions that are raised by Brexit for UK climate policx and say | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
Brexit means Brexit doesn't really solve the problem. The case want to | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
make is this, our membership of the EU has helped this be a persuader | :13:14. | :13:22. | |
for action on global climatd change. Secondly, the ability to persuade is | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
needed more than ever after the Paris Agreement. We all know the | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
issue at the Paris Agreement which is an aspiration to keep global | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
warming below 1.5 degrees, pledges that go to three degrees. Written's | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
ability to be that persuade it is endangered by Brexit. We can't shy | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
away from that. The real is you I want to focus on and this, the kind | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
of Brexit we opt for whether it is hard Brexit, which leaves Britain on | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
its own, or whether we forgd a new close relationship with the European | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
Union is going to be crucial to the issue of UK influence and the | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
world's ability to tackle the problem of climate change. That is | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
why, having paid him these nice compliment, I want to tell the | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
Secretary of State and Minister of State, they have a big | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
responsibility in this procdss and they are aware of it. They need to | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
make sure we have the right outcome in these negotiations on thd issue | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
of climate and energy. Mr ddputies beaker, the starting point for | :14:36. | :14:37. | |
addressing this question is to understand in this area and in many | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
areas, our debates with the cooperation with the EU hasn't ended | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
with the referendum, it has only just begun. We all know the reality, | :14:49. | :14:59. | |
people voted to leave the Etropean Union but the model we decide has | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
got to be a part of the second debate and negotiation. We currently | :15:04. | :15:11. | |
negotiate as part of the European Union in the international | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
negotiations on climate change. As part of the EU we are on a par with | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
players like China, the United States because the EU is responsible | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
for 10% of global emissions and Britain is responsible for `bout 1% | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
of global emissions. In the EU we have been a successful advocate of | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
strong European ambition on climate change and we have been at the | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
forefront of landmark international agreement punching above our weight | :15:41. | :15:48. | |
as a country. We have seen ht under successive governments. In Kyoto and | :15:49. | :15:58. | |
with the role played by the last Secretary of State for Energy and | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
Climate Change in the negothations around the Paris Agreement. We | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
should be proud in this House of what Britain has been able to | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
achieve. But we should also be under no illusions, the influence and | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
Robert Britain has played in the last two decades on climate change, | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
which have been hard won, is now gravely at risk. The danger is in | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
this area and many others, we're outside the room when the bhg | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
decisions are made all we are in the room and we do so -- as bit part | :16:30. | :16:38. | |
players. There is a recent paper on this. They said the danger of Brexit | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
is we would, move along sidd at the second-tier power such as Atstralia, | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
Canada and South Korea. All those countries have played varying roles | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
on the issue of climate change, some of them important and honourable but | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
we have had greater influence and I want to preserve that infludnce | :16:57. | :17:06. | |
There is another danger as well We have been persuaders for ambition in | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
the European Union and the real danger is that our absence from the | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
EU waters down and dilutes the commitments of the European union, | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
it tips the centre of gravity away from the high completion cotntries | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
to those countries which have more anxiety about the issue. Th`t is | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
what the implications of Brdxit are not self-serving ones about | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
Britain's influence in the world Britain's influence on clim`te | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
change, the about the world's ability to make sure the right are | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
happening. I add this, the risk that I described about Britain's | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
influence comes with other associated dangers including the | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
roles of British science and research which the secretarx is | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
concerned about, which draws huge benefits from EU resources, European | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
Investment Bank money for energy and the chain projects. Quarters of the | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
money they have loaned given to the UK has gone on these projects. And | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
indeed there is a massively seen about the repeal of key parts of | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
environment legislation. I can to the question of the mandate of the | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
referendum result. Personally, I don't believe whether British people | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
voted to leave the EU they voted to diminish our influence in this way. | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
Nor did they vote to weaken laws on air pollution or other environmental | :18:34. | :18:34. | |
legislation. That is why, as I said at the | :18:35. | :18:44. | |
outset, there is a huge responsibility on us to shape the | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
new arrangements which can protect our natural interest in British | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
investment. I want to talk `bout that a bit. | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
Sensei the best we can hope for in these negotiations is a Norway style | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
arrangements, in the Europe`n economic area or the Europe`n free | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
trade agreement -- some say that's the best we can hope for. I was | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
actually on holiday in Norw`y this summer, I like Norway, but H don't | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
think our aspirations should be Norway. It is a country of `bout 5 | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
million people, we are a cotntry of about 65 million people. | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
Traditionally, our internathonal role has been different frol buyers | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
and, indeed, I think Norweghans would say this too. On the hssue of | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
climate, Norway negotiates on its own, not as part of the European | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
Union. Crucially, also, if we went for a Norway style arrangemdnts it | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
would leave us without a vohce on key aspects of environmental | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
legislation. We would be affected by them but we would be ruled takers, | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
not rule-makers. That is, if you like, the Norwegian problem, that | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
they accept directives on otr pollution etc but do not have a say | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
in the formation of legislation -- access directives on air pollution | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
etc. So what is to be done? Surprisingly to some, maybe, I agree | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
with some of the Leave camp`ign Because they say we have to car | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
about a role for Britain whhch reflects our size, position and | :20:20. | :20:21. | |
global reach and does not necessarily emulate the rold played | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
by other countries. I want to draw the attention of the House to be | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
recent proposal, a pamphlet produced by a very August group. Alt. -- Paul | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
Tapner, did Deputy chair of the Bank of England, a senior German | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
financial adviser and an adviser between the French government. They | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
propose a continental partndrship. What does that mean? An argtment for | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
the closest possible corpor`tion on a host of issues around fordign and | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
defence policy and, crucially, climate and energy -- closest | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
possible collaboration. What should this mean? In my view, the | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
following. It should mean that we continue to negotiate with the EU in | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
international discussions, protecting British influencd. There | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
is no earthly reason why following the vote on the European Unhon we | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
should not continue to be p`rt of the European bloc on these hssues. | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
We can write our own script for the future. We should continue to be | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
part of the emissions trading scheme, that was something that | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
Britain played a role in coling up with, there is no reason to leave. I | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
believe we should continue to be part of crucial environment`l | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
legislation, like our emisshon standards, waste management and the | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
like. The reality of that legislation is we would probably | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
have too accept that any wax to gain access to the single market, and it | :21:49. | :21:58. | |
is far better to find an arrangement which gives us a say on the rules. I | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
want to be clear, we would not continue to be members of the | :22:02. | :22:03. | |
European Union, our status would have changed, but we would be | :22:04. | :22:10. | |
crucial partners. In my view, it is consistent with the referendum. | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
Whether you think we have gone too far on climate change or not far | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
enough, nobody in this housd on whatever side has an interest in | :22:19. | :22:27. | |
diminishing our influence. H think we are in real danger of dilinishing | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
influence as a country on this vital issue. They are some thoughts about | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
where we need to go and where we need to take the new relationship. | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
There is a hard truth for Government ministers. For this to happdn, it | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
requires those in Government Huat sensible and care about these issues | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
to stand up to those who want hard Brexit. Hard Brexit is about | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
attaching ourselves from thd EU on all of these issues. It is `bout | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
some form of free trade arrangements, goodness knows what, | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
it gets more confusing by the day as to what is at the front of the | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
Government's mind. It is not about having these kind of relationships. | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
I say to the three ministers sitting on the front bench, I take them as | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
people who all care about these issues, I would really urge them, | :23:23. | :23:31. | |
don't leave your climate can dig -- convictions at the door when it | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
comes to the Whitehall battles around Brexit. I don't doubt their | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
commitments, but they had to prove it in the proposals that thd | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
Government we eventually coles forward with. Let me say thhs | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
finally, Mr Deputy Speaker, I believe in the principle of | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
cooperation with our closest neighbours in Europe. I belheve we | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
are strengthened, not diminhshed, as a country when we do that. Climate | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
change is just one example where this is the case. That was true | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
before the referendum and is true after the referendum as well. I | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
think the Secretary of Statd, the Minister of State, they know that, | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
too. The stakes could not bd higher on this issue and what unfolds in | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
the coming months and years. We will hold them to account, because I | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
think all of us, across this house, can not just about tackling climate | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
change but making sure we c`n continue to punch above our weight | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
in doing so and get the right outcome for human had -- hulankind. | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
A lot is resting on their shoulders, if they make the right decisions, we | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
will support them. Thank you very much, Mr Deptty | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
Speaker. May I begin by welcoming the new ministers, and the new | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
ministerial department. I al very pleased that industrial str`tegy | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
will now be a huge part of what is going on. I think it is impossible | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
to separate out industrial strategy from climate change and energy. I | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
want to suggest to the ministers, with the greatest of respect, | :25:09. | :25:09. | |
experienced, though they ard, that when their team of advhsers and | :25:10. | :25:26. | |
experts coming to tell them that temperature is rising directly as a | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
result of carbon dioxide, that they merely deploy the scepticisl and | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
intelligence that I know thdy have and ask a few pertinent questions, | :25:32. | :25:33. | |
and try to get answers before embarking on industrial dechsions | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
which will have an impact on big industry and energy using industry, | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
such as the steel industry, which is important to me. Any time I speak, | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
and I don't want to speak for too long today, I make the point | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
deliberately and repeatedly that I accept climate change, I have never | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
tried to deny yet and I havd never met a scientist yes to does. The | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
climate has always changed, the ice age is testament to that. This has | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
gone on over the 2 million xears, we have seen a period of ice ages | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
usually lasting 100,000 years or so, followed by periods of around 1 ,000 | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
or 12,000 years. We are possibly coming to the end of an | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
interglacial, we might turn our thoughts to what might happdn when | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
the earth inevitably gets cooler. I don't deny that the climate | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
continues to change, no sensible scientist ever has. But the point I | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
would make is that the clim`te change we have seen over thd last | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
250 years is not a particul`rly exceptional. Whilst it is true that | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
carbon dioxide is a global warming gas, no doubt, and if we began to | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
emit more carbon dioxide it must have had some effect on the climate, | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
but logically follows, it does not mean to say that it is responsible | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
for the relatively small increase in temperature we have seen ovdr the | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
last 250 years. The honourable gentleman for Aberdeen 's ott of | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
said, I think, that the temperature increase has been about 1 ddgrees. | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
Like many other commentators, he has link that directly to carbon dioxide | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
increases. The temperature hncrease generally agreed upon, is 0.8 | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
degrees, but even the IP CC recognise that a significant amount | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
of that is not shoot a man-lade carbon dioxide emissions. The first | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
question that I would put if I were ever a minister in your dep`rtment, | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
in the department, sorry, and I accept that it is probably `n | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
unlikely proposition, is wh`t percentage of that 0.8 degrdes has | :27:40. | :27:49. | |
come about as a result of m`n-made carbon dioxide emissions, and what | :27:50. | :27:51. | |
percentage is due to the natural things we know are there. I | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
mentioned the ice ages and interglacials, but there has been | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
well-documented series of climate changes which have had nothhng to do | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
with CO2 emissions. For exalple we know that 2000 years ago, dtring the | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
times that the Romans ruled Britain, there was what was called a Roman | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
optimum, a warm period, and it was followed by the dark ages when | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
things were cooler. There w`s a medieval warming period durhng the | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
Renaissance, followed by wh`t was commonly referred to and | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
scientifically recognised as a little ice age. That came to an end | :28:24. | :28:32. | |
at around about 1800, coinchdentally the time that we started to | :28:33. | :28:34. | |
industrialise. Another important questions that I have put two | :28:35. | :28:36. | |
experts on many occasions and never had a rational answer, is how much | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
of that 0.8 degrees increasd in temperature is due to the f`ct that | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
the temperature was warning anyway because we were coming out of a | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
particularly cool period, a period when the tens would regularly freeze | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
over so solidly that we could hold ice fairs upon it -- when the River | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
Thames would regularly freeze over. Some of that warming is nattral | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
clearly. If people are still not convinced, we can look at the | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
correlation or lack thereof between carbon dioxide emissions and the | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
temperature increases that have taken place since industrialisation. | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
If it is the case, as some of the more alarmist commentators would | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
have, that this 0.8 degrees increase has occurred directly as a result of | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
CO2 emissions, it would loghcally follow that one could correlate a | :29:28. | :29:36. | |
line between CO2 emissions that have taken place in, say, 1800, `nd | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
temperature increases. If wd look at that graph we will find no such | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
correlation. We will see thdre have been periods over the last 250 | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
years, once again, of warming and cooling, regardless of CO2 dmissions | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
that have taken place. In the first part of the 20th century we saw | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
significant warming. From 1842 about 1970, probably a bit later, there | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
was significant cooling which lead people to begin suggesting... The | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
honourable gentleman shakes his head, but a cooling took pl`ce from | :30:09. | :30:21. | |
the 1940s onwards, when I grew up in a 1970s people were worried that the | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
next ice age was coming. From the mid-70s until around 1998 there was | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
a significant amount of warling but from 1998 until now there h`s not | :30:28. | :30:29. | |
been any statistically recognisable warming. People keep a ferrx to the | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
third hottest year on record, whatever it is, but when yot look at | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
the temperature increases they are minute -- people keep referring to | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
the third hottest year on rdcord. Scientists who ask about it will | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
have to admit that the marghn for error within the increases hs much | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
greater than the increases themselves, and the level of | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
increase that we see is perfectly possible to explain away. Wd are not | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
comparing like with like, wd are using slightly different telperature | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
gauges, and the areas that we use them and have moved, some of the | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
areas over a course of years have changed and can be subject to | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
something called the urban Hreland heat effect, or other factors. There | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
has not really been an incrdase since 1998. For all that melbers | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
might shake their heads, I have raised this with the Met Office and | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
a scientist. Scientists refdr to this as the pores, they comd up with | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
numerous explanations, I have heard volcanoes, the heat has gond into | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
the ocean, one professor, in a meeting in this building, stggested | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
that a pause over 16 or 17 xears was statistically insignificant. Which | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
begs the obvious question, hf 1 years temperature is not rising is | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
insignificant, why are 30 or 35 years of temperatures incre`sing | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
slightly so significant that we have to make radical changes to our | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
economy and industry in orddr to tackle it? | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
Of course. Of course, I havd not dismissed the possibility that he | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
might be right and all the meteorological experts in the world | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
simply mistaken on this matter, but would he accept that if his thesis | :32:16. | :32:24. | |
that all is due... There is natural warming here as well as | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
anthropogenic warming, we are in a much worse position than evdn we had | :32:28. | :32:34. | |
thought? And is therefore anything we can do to minimise the | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
anthropogenic causes becomes all the more important, not less so? | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
I don't dismiss the fact, the possibility, of course, that the | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
experts may be right. I havd never actually said they are wrong, I have | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
merely suggested that they ought to be able to answer some fairly basic | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
questions if they expect us as policymakers to go ahead with | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
policies which will be profoundly unpopular with the public and in | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
many cases the NGOs which stpport those policies will not support the | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
consequences something I will come to. | :33:09. | :33:22. | |
Skea there is another issue here which I'm tempted to go into, but | :33:23. | :33:34. | |
I've been asked by the whips to keep it short. In other words, would | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
twice as much... Yes, OK. I'm getting looks all round, but it s | :33:41. | :33:48. | |
simple terms. If X amount of CO has spawned -- has caused why an amount | :33:49. | :33:57. | |
of warming. Mark of course, in nature, things often don't work that | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
way. Let's talk about the P`ris agreement because it talks `bout | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
limiting climate increases to about 2 degrees of what they were, | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
pre-industrial times. Which times? Which times is he talking about | :34:17. | :34:24. | |
Presumably 1800 is about thd base figure, but it goes on for 4 billion | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
years longer than that. We could quite easily go back to the earlier | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
and see 2 degrees short of the temperatures in the medieval warming | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
period! They are around the same temperature as they are now on - | :34:40. | :34:51. | |
during the Roman optimum. Agreed philosopher was writing abott date | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
trees in Greece and how thex could be made to grow but couldn't produce | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
fruit, and intimated that temperatures are the same as they | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
are now in Greece, because they are behaving in the same way th`t they | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
did 2000 years ago. So if wd take that as a preindustrial timds base | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
point, ten a day, we could lerrily put CO2 into the atmosphere before | :35:17. | :35:27. | |
we hit 2 degrees above that period. My honourable friend the or`cle on | :35:28. | :35:36. | |
this. .Ac not agree with me that a low carbon future, with its clean | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
air and low cost is surely sunny to be embraced and sought after anyway? | :35:42. | :35:49. | |
The Honourable Gentleman is making the assumption that carbon dioxide | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
is a pollutant. It is not. Sulphur dioxide is and we've done wonderful | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
things to get rid of it. Carbon dioxide is actually the elixir year | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
of life. It has a very beneficial effect on the ability of farmers to | :36:03. | :36:12. | |
grow crops, so I wouldn't accept the premise of his question that CO is | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
a naturally bad thing. I thhnk we should Kwon -- concentrate on our | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
air quality and environment being good. I do very strongly about the | :36:21. | :36:32. | |
environment. I was a member of the group Surfers Against Sewagd for | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
many years. That is the casd that I want to tear the environment apart. | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
But I'm looking policies th`t could be -- enormously costly in ly area. | :36:42. | :36:48. | |
So I would suggest to ministers that they do the NGOs that call on them | :36:49. | :36:56. | |
to adopt certain policies, do they believe what they say? Becatse the | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
gent-mac made a good comment about nuclear power. I believe it is safe. | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
It's interesting that anyond proposes a nuclear power st`tion | :37:09. | :37:10. | |
anywhere, some of the biggest supporters are the people in the | :37:11. | :37:18. | |
area. In Anglesey, a site is being supported by members of Parliament | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
right across the political spectrum, including Plaid Cymru, but when it | :37:25. | :37:34. | |
comes down to nuclear jobs then they are very enthusiastic. I colmend | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
them for it and they are right to be so, but isn't that contrasts but | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
when people want to put up wind farms, where I know of Liberal | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
Democrat politicians in Walds who will bang the drum for wind farms | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
until it goes up in their own constituency, in -- where they will | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
find reasons for that is not happen. One of the concerns I have hs that | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
green groups will see, and perhaps the honourable member opposhte, that | :38:04. | :38:10. | |
global warming is the greatdst threat to mankind, and then they | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
will oppose suggestions such as a nuclear power station which could | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
resolve some of our energy problems by not creating extra carbon | :38:20. | :38:26. | |
dioxide. That attitudes has been shown by green groups to tidal | :38:27. | :38:33. | |
power. I don't know that -- if that will stand up economically. That it | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
will produce 5% without cre`ting carbon dioxide. Giving way, one | :38:39. | :38:55. | |
word. Sellafield. The gent-lac may wish to discuss that with hhs | :38:56. | :39:10. | |
friends there, from Plaid Cxmru My concern is that not so much that we | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
are adopting renewable energy schemes because I understand the | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
arguments about security and diversity, but if we go too far with | :39:22. | :39:29. | |
this we may find we are adopting systems cost a lot more mondy. But | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
had a lot of e-mails recently complaining about Hinkley Point | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
saying that it costs too much. And that solar power will be chdaper. | :39:40. | :39:46. | |
I'm tended to suggest to thd honourable gentleman that hd should | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
think about cutting the subsidies further. We are paying about a | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
towards offshore wind farms. I get very frustrated when I get d-mails | :40:01. | :40:08. | |
front Friends of the Earth `bout fuel poverty. Because it's going to | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
get worse if we continue to pay more for our electricity, becausd we are | :40:15. | :40:22. | |
adopting schemes that are going to bring strike prices. I can't | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
understand why there is no support for fracking, when it is quhte clear | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
that if we get rid of our coal stations and make gas from what we | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
have in this country, then we can produce fuel and limit CO2 | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
emissions. I don't want to be a thorn in the side to the ministers | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
opposite. I understand many of the concerns they have and I hope they | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
will put these questions to experts, and I hope they will remembdr at all | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
times without rising tempers about increased energy prices. Can't these | :41:00. | :41:06. | |
like -- companies like Tata are having to consider closing down | :41:07. | :41:18. | |
I can't resist correcting mx remarks about being the oracle. | :41:19. | :41:43. | |
His comments are being translated... The debate we are having thhs | :41:44. | :42:01. | |
afternoon essentially is not just the question of ratification of the | :42:02. | :42:09. | |
Paris accords, but the consdquences of ratification for the UK, and the | :42:10. | :42:20. | |
ability of the UK to ratify in good faith and good order, on thd basis | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
of what it recognises our commitment it will have to undertake it sells | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
as being a party to that Paris accord. In that context, I think | :42:29. | :42:36. | |
it's important to initially clarify one or two points about the process | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
of ratification which we have, to some extent, already done today but | :42:43. | :42:52. | |
also, review what it is that that ratification in consists of, and | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
indeed, how that relates to a number of issues, such as: The existence of | :42:58. | :43:04. | |
a low-carbon programme which can actually set out what it is that we | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
are committed to. I must sax, from the outset, I would've thought that | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
in that context, it it would've been a good idea, or should have been a | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
good idea, that a low-carbon programme is available to all of us | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
at the same time as a ratifhcation process is being considered, so | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
actually, we have that raft of information in front of us `s far as | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
the processes concerned. I to come back to that in a moment. -, I want | :43:36. | :43:46. | |
to. We are aware that the process is a two-way way, and the parthcular | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
responsibility of the UK now is to get that order in front of the | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
House, the EU treaty converted into an order for our considerathon, and | :44:01. | :44:08. | |
get our bit done. As I menthoned earlier, France's managed to do all | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
that. That is important, not just in terms of getting the business done | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
as far as our country is concerned, but making sure that the EU | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
ratification is in as early and speedy as possible and have is that | :44:26. | :44:32. | |
full process underway when the heavy hitters from the UK coming `nd can | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
be undertaken by the EU. I think it is also important to think `bout and | :44:40. | :44:50. | |
clarify what we are also undertaking in terms of our joint ratifhcation | :44:51. | :44:58. | |
for the EU, and indeed as mx honourable friend has mentioned | :44:59. | :45:07. | |
rather more than mentioned what position it is that we're going to | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
being in appraisal is a Brexit as we ratify, as that process is tnderway. | :45:13. | :45:21. | |
The IDC that's been put on the table in Paris and across the world as far | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
as we are concerned, have bden put on the table as part of that | :45:27. | :45:38. | |
European bloc in the intern`tional terms. The commitments that have | :45:39. | :45:47. | |
come from the joint I MDC are talking about ambitions for not | :45:48. | :45:58. | |
2050, but 2030, jointly agrded among all the EU participating st`tes and | :45:59. | :46:09. | |
the joint IMDC resulting. And those first IMDCs, we hope, will be looked | :46:10. | :46:23. | |
at together and will represdnt a reduction in temperature of | :46:24. | :46:34. | |
substantially more than 2%, 1.5 on the overall IMDC and therefore the | :46:35. | :46:44. | |
progress Scots that will report on how they are going. It won't be just | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
a question of finding out whether countries are actually carrxing this | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
out, but are in praises of strengthening those over a period of | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
time in order to get as far down the line as possible in terms of | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
commitments, and get that commitment further down towards what is a | :47:02. | :47:09. | |
reasonable target, in terms of the real ambitions for global | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
temperature stability for the world, as a whole. Under those | :47:16. | :47:24. | |
circumstances, by my reading, we will be in the process of the first | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
review period just at the point that we will be undertaking Brexht, so | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
the IMDC that we've negotiated jointly with the EU may no longer be | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
seen to be tenable as far as the UK is concerned. That is the qtestion I | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
think we will have to start to base in those international negotiations. | :47:49. | :47:57. | |
As my friend said, do we sedk to nail ourselves down within the EU | :47:58. | :48:07. | |
discussions as far as these are concerned, or are we at somd stage | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
going to develop our own iddas which will be recalibrated which we've | :48:12. | :48:17. | |
allowed ourselves to be put in line for as far as the EU is concerned. | :48:18. | :48:25. | |
If we do that, does that recalibration represented an | :48:26. | :48:33. | |
intensification of our commhtment, or is it simply an agreement at that | :48:34. | :48:41. | |
point, whatever else Brexit Metz say -- might say, we are committed to | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
that joint IND C, wouldn't be shadowed by the EU as that process | :48:46. | :48:52. | |
goes forward? I would value a thought from the minister about what | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
the intention might be over the next period about those INDCs, I think | :48:58. | :49:04. | |
that is very important in tdrms of clarifying what we have as our | :49:05. | :49:07. | |
long-term commitment over the next period in reality. | :49:08. | :49:18. | |
The ratification process, notwithstanding that, of cotrse | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
will take place on the basis that we are committed to be a part of that | :49:23. | :49:33. | |
European basket, that 40% rdduction is our fair in Paris and bexond In | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
that context, therefore, thd question of the missing low carbon | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
programme, I think, starts to look rather large. | :49:47. | :49:52. | |
What we need to know is, as a result of Paris, are we really abld to | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
deliver that 40% reduction, as far as the UK is concerned, whether | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
separately or as part of th`t EU programme over the next perhod? And | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
the whole question of ratifhcation, it seems to me, at least as to have | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
that as one of the questions within it. Are we able to do what ht is we | :50:13. | :50:18. | |
said we would be doing wherd we have ratified? And, of course, it was at | :50:19. | :50:30. | |
the time very welcome news that the Government did indeed go ahdad and | :50:31. | :50:38. | |
agreed to the fifth carbon budget. And it was very welcome news that it | :50:39. | :50:47. | |
did so, I have to say, slightly unlike the fourth carbon budget | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
without suggestions that thdre might be some caveats attached to the | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
carbon budget at the time. That to my mind, sent a very clear signal as | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
to what our overall ambitions should be. And the question then is what | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
about that fourth carbon budget and fifth carbon budget moving forward? | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
Can we fit in what we have `greed, as far as our INDCs are concerned, | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
into the process of agreeing those carbon budgets and the consdquences | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
of them? That is where I thhnk we started to have something of a | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
problem. And, indeed, the qtestion of whether we have the policy | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
instruments in place and whdther we have the wherewithal to acttally get | :51:34. | :51:39. | |
to a position where we can say, hand on heart, we are in this seriously, | :51:40. | :51:46. | |
is something that is beginnhng increasingly to concern me. Indeed, | :51:47. | :51:53. | |
not only does it concern me but more importantly, it has concerned | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
particularly the committee on climate change, who in the recent | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
progress report to Parliament on what is happening as far as carbon | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
budgets are concerned made the important point that, actually, in | :52:07. | :52:12. | |
terms of progress on emissions, which the minister mentioned | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
overall, over the recent period they have been looking pretty good, since | :52:19. | :52:27. | |
I've been falling by an average of 4.5% a year since 2012. Has this | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
been almost entirely, as thd committee on climate change says, | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
due to progress in the power sector and not in the rest of the dconomy? | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
The committee on climate ch`nge much that emissions have fallen less than | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
1% a year in the rest of thd economy on temperature adjusted bashs, and | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
specifically says that is bdcause there has been slow uptake of low | :52:52. | :52:59. | |
carbon technologies, low rates of inflation, low take-up of low carbon | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
heaters and increased vehicle efficiency. It also says thdre is | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
minimal evidence for progress in the industrial and agricultural sectors. | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
They begin to raise some al`rm bells about the extent to which wd will | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
really be able to make the progress that we have to make if we `re to | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
carry out those INDCs properly. Then the committee for climate change | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
points out that, yes, while in some areas even as far as the endrgy | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
sector is concerned, some areas have progressed. It states, for dxample, | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
the funding available for offshore wind. I very much welcome that, I | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
think it is an important stdp forward as far as getting the next | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
stage of the levy control framework attached to the process of offshore | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
wind. But it says, the clim`te change committee says, backward | :54:00. | :54:07. | |
steps in other areas. I think it will be no surprise what those | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
backward steps are seen to be by the committee on climate change, the | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
cancer lies -- cancellation of a commercialised programme for carbon | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
capture storage, reduction hn funding for energy efficiency and | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
the cancellation of the zero carbon homes standard. It says othdr | :54:23. | :54:28. | |
priorities have not moved forward, no further auctions for the cheapest | :54:29. | :54:35. | |
low carbon generation, no planned heat energy efficiency and no | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
vehicle emission standards beyond 2020. It also says that progress in | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
improving the energy efficidncy and buildings has stalled since 201 , | :54:44. | :54:54. | |
rates of cavity wall insulation and loft insulation are down colpared to | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
previous years. The committee on climate ch`nge is a | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
far more expert body than I could offer an opinion on, that the issues | :55:04. | :55:12. | |
as far as carbon dioxide is concerned, and carbon progr`mmes, | :55:13. | :55:19. | |
they have substantial ramifhcations through two endeavours and | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
aspirations and targets way beyond the size of what appears to be a | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
particular policy put in pl`ce at one particular moment. | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
The effect I want to think `bout for a moment, when we are talking about | :55:33. | :55:40. | |
the new low carbon programmd, I actually have a lot of symp`thy with | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
the Minister in his task of putting back together over the next period | :55:47. | :55:52. | |
because, of course, he inherits in terms of putting about tasks | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
together, a number of issues which have actually percolated, | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
apparently, through in terms of short-term policy decisions, which | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
actually has very substanti`l ramifications as far as clilate | :56:10. | :56:12. | |
change targets are concerned over the longer period. | :56:13. | :56:23. | |
I, like my right honourable friend for Doncaster, I also want to pick | :56:24. | :56:30. | |
him up a bit in terms of his new post. It seems to me rather a good | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
idea that you have a ministdr who is in charge of climate change and | :56:37. | :56:43. | |
associated activity who is completely on-site, as far `s | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
climate change is concerned, and is not only completely on-site but has | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
a long period of being onside over a long period of time. His colmitment | :56:52. | :57:01. | |
is completely unquestioned. That is two stabs to the heart in tdrms of | :57:02. | :57:09. | |
the future career of the Minister! But what I think the Ministdr has as | :57:10. | :57:16. | |
a particular problem here, hn terms of its responsibilities and the | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
responsibility of the Secretary of State, is what the effect h`s been, | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
particularly of the flurry of policies that took place ovdr the | :57:25. | :57:30. | |
past year, on the long-term considerations as far as clhmate | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
change effects are concerned. It seems to me that if his new | :57:35. | :57:41. | |
department simply let those policy changes lie, or, indeed, runs along | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
further with them, then those problems will be exacerbated, and | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
his problems of writing a low carbon programme will simply magnify. | :57:54. | :58:04. | |
Having said that the new department has gotten particularly good | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
appointment in terms of those ministers who completely understand | :58:09. | :58:15. | |
and are complete ease with the question of what we need to do, | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
where we need to do it, how we need to do it, what the effects `re, then | :58:21. | :58:29. | |
I think we have to point thd finger in terms of where those effdcts may | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
well continue to happen outside that new department and, indeed, I think | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
we can point the finger in terms of what happened under the previous | :58:38. | :58:43. | |
Department of Energy and Clhmate Change, with some of those | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
particular changes, and that is squarely in the direction of | :58:49. | :58:51. | |
treasury. And, indeed, over a period of time during the latter stages of | :58:52. | :58:58. | |
the previous government and, certainly, the first period of the | :58:59. | :59:02. | |
present government, what yot might say was an energy and climate change | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
policy of Treasury and an energy and climate change policy of thd | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
Department of Energy and Clhmate Change, and those two rarelx | :59:12. | :59:14. | |
coincided. Yet when there w`s a particular issue as far as those | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
policies were concerned, letters guess who came out on top in terms | :59:19. | :59:24. | |
of the policy direction. -- let us guess. So I think my first plea | :59:25. | :59:31. | |
coupled with very kindly advise I think, to the Minister, is get on | :59:32. | :59:39. | |
top of the Treasury straightaway, as far as these issues are concerned. | :59:40. | :59:44. | |
If it is allowed to run, if the Treasury domination of energy and | :59:45. | :59:50. | |
climate change policy with what they apparently still think are the | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
things that you can do, reg`rdless of the long-term climate | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
consequences concerned, this will end in tears, believe me, as far as | :59:59. | :00:07. | |
the writing of a new carbon policy is concerned. I think, perh`ps, to | :00:08. | :00:18. | |
illustrate that, we can look at the last carbon policy, carbon plan | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
which came out in December 2000 and 11. Of course, the carbon plan at | :00:24. | :00:31. | |
that stage was not just a c`rbon plan which had some bright hdeas in | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
it, it was a carbon plan th`t actually said this is where we are | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
now, this is where we would like to be in 2050, this is where the | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
transition will be undertakdn in each of a series of sectors. That | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
was analysed pretty thoroughly in those different sectors. | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
Particularly in the context of the 40% emissions cuts that we `re | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
looking at in terms of the Duropean INDCs, we are looking at thd | :01:03. | :01:09. | |
importance of the way those assumptions are put together as far | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
as the low carbon plan is concerned, and how effectively they run through | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
not just where we are now, where we will be in 2050, how we makd that | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
transition and how that works as well as 2030 is concerned, which is | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
the period we are now looking at. If we look at the carbon plan of the -- | :01:26. | :01:38. | |
of 2011, we have a pretty clear statement in the plan. Calibrated in | :01:39. | :01:45. | |
terms of carbon saving, Gredn Deal eco-, all practical cavity walls and | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
lofts will be insulated by 2020 up to 1.5 million solid walls will be | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
insulated. We know that has gone. There is no longer any remote chance | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
we will get anywhere near that sort of achievement, particularlx as far | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
as solid walls are concerned and, indeed, probably as far as other | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
forms of insulation are concerned, for the reasons that Green Deal Has | :02:14. | :02:24. | |
Gone, eco-has morphed into ` pretty restricted son or daughter, at yet | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
the climate change committed, in its preamble to the fourth carbon | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
budget, suggested that by the early 2020s, over 2 million treatlents of | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
solid wall properties would have to be undertaken as a central | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
contribution to carbon reduction as an assumption within that fourth | :02:45. | :02:45. | |
carbon budget. The 2011 programme CCCS will make a | :02:46. | :03:01. | |
significant contribution by 203 , carbon capture and storage | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
contributes, it is estimated, as much as ten gigawatts. That has | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
gone. The Treasury managed to bundle carbon capture and storage hnto a | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
cupboard very neatly, just ` little while ago, which I thought, | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
personally, was one of the biggest environmental crimes that h`s been | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
committed by the Treasury in terms of its particular policies of | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
actually cutting off the fundamental route to decarbonisation of | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
remaining baseload power ovdr the period, and apparently not worrying | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
about the consequences of that. INDC the 2011 carbon plan s`ys this, | :03:44. | :03:57. | |
from 2030 onwards a major role for gas as a basis for electrichty is | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
only realistic with a large number of gas plants, so at the sale number | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
that back at the same time that we have committed ourselves to close | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
down coal by 2025, although we have yet to see the consultation on | :04:16. | :04:26. | |
that's, -- that is only to be undertaken if the number of new gas | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
plants is sufficient to allow such, the commitment to the futurd, to | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
faze out cold but to replacd it with a new gas device, and yet, the | :04:38. | :04:45. | |
carbon plan and a commitment to climate change says that gas itself | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
can only be used if there is a certain amount of CCF is attached to | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
it, and yet, apparently we `re going for the dash for gas without any | :05:00. | :05:08. | |
thought that CCF may come in in the near future, and that has a | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
substantial impact as far as meeting those fourth and fifth carbon | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
budgets are concerned over the next period. The low-carbon plan is | :05:18. | :05:29. | |
looking at 21% and 45% of otr heat supply, needs to be this by 203 , | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
and yet our Secretary of St`te has said that there is no chancd of | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
getting to our 2030 target. So that's gone. And finally, jtst | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
picking some out from the l`rger number of changes from the 2011 | :05:47. | :05:54. | |
reports. All new homes from 201 will be zero carbon which whll make | :05:55. | :06:02. | |
a difference, of course, thdy won't be, because the zero carbon homes | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
plan has also been pulled as far as that's concerned. I'm grateful to my | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
friend who speaks on these latters with such authority. In rel`tion to | :06:17. | :06:26. | |
see CS, across Yorkshire, Htmber, the CCF 's pipeline has just had the | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
planning deadline extended by the Secretary of State which looks as | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
yet again that these projects are going to be put into storagd. It's | :06:37. | :06:49. | |
an irony when the mention of putting into storage, my honourable friend | :06:50. | :06:57. | |
is absolutely right, not only what happens with the CCF pilot projects, | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
but also with the infrastructure in the future. They've been put into | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
the long grass and that's a profound problem as far as our futurd climate | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
change commitments are concdrned phone. It's going to be hard to | :07:15. | :07:23. | |
write a new carbon programmd unless the department gets to work very | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
rapidly and picks the damagd to long-term low-carbon prospects that | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
have been underlined by the changes of the last year. When you that the | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
new ministers committed personally to making sure that the consequences | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
are right, so I do think th`t that is perhaps an early task on his | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
desk. Let's turn those round so that we can actually put in a low carbon | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
programme that will have positive consequences for the future, rather | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
than the negative that they have at the moment. So, I think that Mr | :07:59. | :08:09. | |
Deputy Speaker, that those two issues go very closely together We | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
have to get on very early whth doing our it on ratification, and I'm | :08:13. | :08:20. | |
encouraged to hear from the Minister that if that documentation hs not | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
imminent then maybe it is pretty imminent. He is sort of nodding his | :08:26. | :08:32. | |
head, so that's good. But I would say that the earliest opportunity to | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
have a good look at that new carbon programme, to see whether the | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
consequences of what we are committing ourselves to do really | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
can be carried out and if it can't be, what we got to do next hn order | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
to make sure that we can make those commitments, being part and parcel | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
of that documentation. The sooner that can come forward the bdtter as | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
far as I'm concerned. I hopd that by having those two together then it | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
will work, and we need to sde how well we have committed oursdlves for | :09:07. | :09:14. | |
the future. I will keep my remarks brief because many people h`ve | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
spoken with great experiencd and at length. My constituents are only too | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
aware of the effects of clilate change. My constituency lies on the | :09:23. | :09:31. | |
plane where there the north and South meets the Irish Sea and it's | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
at the village of what's -- frost and which used the represent, where | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
many of my constituents' holes and businesses were flooded. Thhs brings | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
the paramount challenge to ` generation as to how we deal with | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
climate change. As a countrx, we need to tackle this while growing | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
our economy and providing the energy security, and my honourable friend, | :09:58. | :10:06. | |
the member for Wales described this as a trilemma. It's a challdnge to | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
all of us, but my friends on the front bench are trying to mdet this. | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
Let's look at the progress that has been made. The climate change act | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
which the honourable gentlelan for Doncaster North steered through and | :10:22. | :10:30. | |
was received with great support cross-party, in this House. This | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
requires the UK to reduce its carbon emissions by 80% by 2020. Shnce the | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
coalition has come into powdr, we've seen investment increase put | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
renewables by 42%, and it whll increase to ?10 billion this | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
Parliament. Emissions have been cut by over 30% is -- 30% since 199 . | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
This is to be applauded. Offshore wind is up by two thirds and the UK | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
has enough solar power to power almost 2 million homes. Nuclear | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
power is also benefiting from Government support. All this has | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
happened while the economy hs growing. In 2014, there was a 2 8% | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
growth in the economy, and `n 8 4% reduction in emissions and this is | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
absolutely crucial because ht is particularly important to otr | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
energy- intensive industries that they have energy that they | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
campaigned for. We do not w`nt to see these jobs go to other | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
countries. I don't think thdre can be any doubt that this Government is | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
committed to reducing carbon emissions and it was set out greatly | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
as a priority. The Paris clhmate change conference was a pivotal | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
moment in binding the well's superpowers to a environmental | :11:55. | :12:07. | |
commitment. Mr Deputy Speakdr, rather than decrying the fact that | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
the UK has not ratified the Paris agreement in haste, but is taking a | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
careful approach to ratific`tion, the opposition should be applauding | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
the cross-party progress th`t has been made. Mr Deputy Speaker, I m | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
still quite a newcomer to this place. I learned a lot from you and | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
in my 16 months in this place, I've spoken in several opposition debates | :12:34. | :12:42. | |
marked by arguments coming from the opposition benches, but this win a | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
prize for being an utterly convective motion and goes to the | :12:49. | :12:56. | |
heart of the opposition's dhsarray. Working cross-party, we shotld make | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
the fundamental challenge of our age. Here Max. | :13:01. | :13:15. | |
My honourable friend from Aberdeen South is quite right, given the | :13:16. | :13:37. | |
critical nature of this. Thd UK Government's is -- policies are on | :13:38. | :13:46. | |
the way. Domestic energy efficiency are disappointing and irresponsible. | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
The Minister has spoken of how businesses behind him. I can forgive | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
him this apprehension because he is new to the job, and wishing you the | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
best in his new role, but for quite some time, investment for including | :14:02. | :14:16. | |
in energy has been underwhelming, they had been privatisations of the | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
green investment bank. Cuts to solar subsidies, particularly by the | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
legislation. Withdrawal by the UK Governlent of | :14:29. | :14:43. | |
the 1 billion carbon capturd legislation has left the hugely | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
damaging legacy to invest in -- investment incentive and consumer | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
confidence. The carbon capttre storage community group will report | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
its findings as requested bx the previous Secretary of State for | :15:03. | :15:13. | |
climate change. I would urgd the Government to implement its good | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
value recommendations which are fully supported by the Consdrvative | :15:17. | :15:23. | |
honourable member for Waverley. The Brexit vote should become a flippant | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
reference. This is the UK ldaving the European Union, the biggest | :15:29. | :15:35. | |
single market in the world. It's a frightening prospect, since -- hence | :15:36. | :15:47. | |
many Brexit tears have run `way This grave uncertainty has plunged | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
the UK's energy sector into yet further uncertainty as such the SNP | :15:53. | :16:01. | |
call on the UK Government to how their damaging programme of | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
austerity and give the necessary investment to stimulate growth and a | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
healthy environment for invdstors and consumers alike. I thank my | :16:10. | :16:18. | |
honourable friend for giving way. There's been an ambition and | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
# Ambitious plan set out by the governments, despite the trhals of | :16:25. | :16:32. | |
Brexit, but there is one of the most and Bishop -- ambitious clilate | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
change plans. Does he share my concern that all of the isstes with | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
the Government outline that we are unable to meet those targets. On the | :16:43. | :16:53. | |
initial point, I would ask the Minister, will his Government | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
reverse austerity and make the necessary investment? As perfectly | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
illustrated from my friend from Rutherglen South and much honourable | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
friend behind me, Scotland hs a world leader in tackling clhmate | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
change with ambitious statutory targets and a strong mandatd. We | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
must work together to tackld the issue and its most encouraghng to | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
see that all contributors to this debate agree upon. We will support | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
the Minister in any way we can for a collegiate solution for this | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
country. Scotland has made ` contribution to EU wide effort to | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
reduce greenhouse emissions. It s the biggest producer of oil, and the | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
second gas, and looks at EU renewables potential, we ard | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
extremely well placed to do so regarding the decision to m`ke. I | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
agree with the honourable mdmber for Brent North to say that this | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
Government's approach to endrgy has not been good in the UK. It's | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
relying on fracking, nuclear and the rush for gas. The dash for gas. I | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
condemn the party for the poor Another honourable member touched on | :18:11. | :18:23. | |
domestic and European processes for ratification, but how difficult is | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
it? The honourable member for Southampton Test also touchdd on | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
this process, but what is it? There are two separate processes for the | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
ratification of the agreement, one for the EU and one for the TK | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
Government. The UK and EU treaty requiring ratification is presented | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
to Parliament as a command paper and approved by a second-rate | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
legislation. An order is lahd before Parliament. It may be debatdd and/ | :18:51. | :18:59. | |
or approved by both houses by the affirmative procedure. Mr Ddputy | :19:00. | :19:00. | |
Speaker, this seems pretty straightforward enough, so let's get | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
on with it. Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
would like to congratulate ly right honourable friend the member for | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
Brent North for securing thhs important and most timely ddbate. | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
Last September I met with a counsellor from the Philipphnes to | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
hear his first-hand experience of the impact of climate changd in his | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
country. He was visiting thd UK to raise awareness of the impact of the | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
increasingly extreme weather conditions they experience. The | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
Philippines is made up of thousands of small islands and looks, he told | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
me, like a tropical paradisd, with sandy beaches and turquoise blue | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
waters. But this beautiful place is suffering from the impact of climate | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
change through increasingly frequent typhoons. His country, his home is | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
under threat, people had to live in readiness for evacuation, mdaning | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
uncertainty and instability for everyone. It has a knock-on effect | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
on the economy, the education of children and health care. In the | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
typhoons of 2012 and 2013, over 8000 people lost their lives. Thd message | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
from the counsellor was simple, climate change is here now, not in | :20:10. | :20:22. | |
the future, we should all in tackling it. The UK has | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
responsibility to other parts of the world, just like the Philippines. As | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
a major emitter we clearly by a strong responsibility for climate | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
change and should provide strong leads in taking action to t`ckle it. | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
Last December... I will, of course, give way. I thank the honourable | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
lady for giving way and wholeheartedly agree with the points | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
she is making. I have experhence of living in Malawi, where people are | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
also being affected first and hardest by climate change, having | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
done the very least in terms of emissions to help cause it. Does she | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
agree, that the concept of climate justice is very important to this | :20:55. | :21:06. | |
debate, which has been articulated by Pope Francis and others? The | :21:07. | :21:08. | |
Scottish Government has an innovative climate Justice fund it | :21:09. | :21:10. | |
would be interesting to see the new department working with DFI D. | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
Climate justice is key to this debate. I attended a summit in Paris | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
last year which was organisdd by Globe and the French Nation`l | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
Assembly, along with colleagues on the environmental audit comlittee. I | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
would particularly like to thank the member for Beverley and Holderness | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
for his work. It was attenddd by over 200 parliamentarians from | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
around the world and we heard first-hand accounts of the hmpact of | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
climate change from them. Wd heard of how more frequent weather events | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
threaten the lives of these people, and there is a threat to | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
biodiversity in places like South Africa and Brazil. We heard of the | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
impact of the retreat of Hilalayan glaziers on water supply. Wd heard | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
from Nigerian politicians who described how in the north of that | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
country, the desert is moving in and Lake Chad, which once seemed like an | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
ocean, appears as a puddle. This has been accompanied by internal | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
migration, delivering upheaval with it for those peoples. We know that | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
climate change is the biggest challenge we face, and the hmpact is | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
clear in increased storms, flooding, drought, and the movement of people | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
through the lack of resourcds in the world. We know that the poorest on | :22:30. | :22:38. | |
the planet are the most badly affected, and as one of the most | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
rich nations on earth we have a duty to do something about this. The | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
message could not have been clearer, we must reduce targets on elissions, | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
we must protect fragile ecosystems and action is needed at loc`l, | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
regional and international level. I was proud to hear British | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
politicians being praised for the lead that our country has t`ken in | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
tackling climate change, particularly the respect shown to | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
the right Honourable member for Doncaster North, and Lord Prescott, | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
hailed in Paris as the fathdr of the two deg, because of the folk as he | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
made on the 2 degrees target. The right Honourable member for Hastings | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
has been congratulated for contributions she made in P`ris to | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
help bring about the final agreement. It is clear that we have | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
the expertise to play an important role in tackling the biggest | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
challenge that the world faces. It is important that we continte to | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
show the leadership that we can I welcome the commitment of the | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
Government to end the unabated use of coal in energy generation by 2025 | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
and to restrict its use frol 20 3. I would urge the Government to ban the | :23:44. | :23:54. | |
burning of coal underground, an issue I have raised on a nulber of | :23:55. | :23:56. | |
occasions, I would ask the Government to look closely `t that. | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
It would be welcomed in my constituency of Wirral West. I am | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
glad the minister is committed to the ratification of the Parhs | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
agreement. This Government smug record on taking action to cut | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
carbon emissions is poor, the policy direction is particularly worrying. | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
Last year, this Government could solar feed in tariffs by 65$, there | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
are further attacks on this important industry in an end to a | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
proposed rise in business r`tes for businesses and other organisations, | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
including state schools, th`t have installed solar panels. The | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
Government introduced plans to privatise an investment bank, | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
despite success that was having in investing in more risky rendwable | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
projects. It ended support for renewable onshore wind projdcts a | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
year earlier than expected. In spite of huge public opposition, | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
the Government is encouraging the carbon hungry frack and technology. | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
These are all undermining mx confidence that the Governmdnt is | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
serious about tackling clim`te change, I'm sure it undermines the | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
trust of many others. The agreement reached in Paris last year was | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
greeted with celebration around the world, rightly so. The Paris climate | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
deal offers the very best chance for ourselves, our children and our | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
future children to face a more secure future. Hillary Clinton has | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
said her administration would mobilise a global effort on a scale | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
not seen since the Second World War to tackle climate change if she is | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
elected US president in Novdmber. China and the USA have ratified the | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
treaty, France has completed the domestic legislative process. | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
Britain must step up to the plate, we must send a clear signal to other | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
European states that we still intend to provide a strong leader `t an | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
international level in tackling climate change. In addition, the | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
Government mystery visit dalaging policies so we can foster vhtal | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
green industries, provide confidence to investors and be at the forefront | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
of the Green revolution which must come. There should be no delay, I | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
urge the Government to take action. Thank you, Madam Deputy Spe`ker | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
We in the UK under the formdr Labour government took the initiathve and | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
develop the climate change `ct, a world first, and we should continue | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
to take the lead on the world stage. I am very disappointed to hdar the | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
ministers say today that he cannot give us a timetable for rathfying | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
the Paris agreement on clim`te change, I would urge that hhs | :26:30. | :26:31. | |
department brings forward a timetable as soon as possible. Some | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
people think, what is the point of the UK doing anything of thd big | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
players don't? Now we have China and the US taking the initiativd, which | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
is particularly welcome bec`use of the size of their economies and | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
populations. I would really like to see the UK up there amongst the | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
world leaders on climate ch`nge keeping a position of infludnce is | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
important issue. Tackling climate change is an immensely important | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
task but one very easy to ptt off all record low priority, especially | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
when voters have more presshng concerns. -- all accords a low | :27:10. | :27:17. | |
priority. But we ignore clilate change at our peril, we havd seen | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
this with the numerous incidents of flooding in this country. The | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
problems are very much worsd in some of the poorer areas of the world. | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
Rising temperatures and drotght are driving people from homes are | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
becoming a major cause of mhgration. And at the other end up the scale is | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
the whole problem of flooding, as has been well explained by ly | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
honourable friend from Wirr`l West. Departmental organisation, ht is not | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
for me to tell the Prime Minister how to organise her departmdnts and | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
there was certainly logic in including energy with industrial | :27:55. | :27:56. | |
strategy, but I'm very concdrned that the abolition of DC will make | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
climate change less visible. I think it is extremely important that | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
genuine importance and propdr resourcing should be dedicated to | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
tackling climate change. And more than that, that tackling clhmate | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
change should be part of thhnking and policy development in all | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
departments. As my honourable friend from Southampton Test points out, | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
the Treasury is a key department to get onside. | :28:21. | :28:35. | |
As for energy, I would have preferred to see a dedicated energy | :28:36. | :28:37. | |
minister in the Commons, rather than the Lords, as it means that other | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
members of the Department whll stand in for her at questions and in other | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
debates. Talking about incentivising behaviour to help reduce emhssions, | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
it has been inconsistent and very disappointing. First ball whth the | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
solar industry we saw this back in the accelerated reduction announced | :28:52. | :28:58. | |
before the industry had been properly consulted. Now with a | :28:59. | :29:04. | |
repeat of that earlier this year, we have the changes in valuation office | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
assessments, which will makd it a less viable for businesses, | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
including, as my honourable friend pointed out, schools, to have solar | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
panels on their roofs and to benefit from that and contribute to the | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
reduction in emissions. Then we had the abolition of the | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
green investment bank, provhding valuable finance to those incipient | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
industries which can't alwaxs get funding from elsewhere. And | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
abandoning the plans for thd carbon capture demonstration plants, | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
despite this being a manifesto commitment. Turning to wind power, | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
energy companies had effecthvely withdrawn from the new projdcts in | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
England because of the hosthle environment that has been created by | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
the Government. At least in Wales we have a much more positive attitude | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
to wind power but, of coursd, the subsidies RE UK Government latter, | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
so eventually these projects in Wales will also be affected by these | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
reductions. The tidal lagoon in Swansea seems to be continuously | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
postponed or kicked into thd long grass. In February we had the | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
announcement of a review into tidal lagoons. I really urge the | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
government to look very cardfully at the tremendous potential th`t this | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
project offers, rather than just looking at the cost in terms of the | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
Swansea tidal lagoon, but looking at the potential of lagoons elsewhere | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
and the export potential. The Swansea proposals do not repuire any | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
money up front from the govdrnment, the taxpayer only pays when the | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
electricity is delivered. The bosses up the Project are very comlitted to | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
sourcing as many of the components as possible locally here in the UK. | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
If we could be a world first and lead the way, that would opdn up | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
opportunities in the manufacturing industry, not just to provide for | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
Swansea but other lagoons hdre and abroad. Indeed I shall. Thank you, | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
Madam Deputy Speaker. Can I ask the honourable lady how many holes might | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
this Swansea barrage actually either light or heat, because it is a great | :31:11. | :31:17. | |
idea. The figure that has bden given is some 800,000 homes, that is just | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
one project, this could obvhously be repeated elsewhere. That is a | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
substantial size of home, 800 homes to be heated. It is very worthwhile. | :31:29. | :31:36. | |
If I might. Thank you, Madal Deputy Speaker. You used the word dxporter, | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
are you talking about exporting electricity or the idea and the | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
technology? When he is speaking to the child, when he is saying you, he | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
is addressing her. I am refdrring to exporting the idea, what has | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
happened in the past, for example, with wind turbines, we have lost the | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
initiative in terms of manufacturing and find ourselves in porting. This | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
is the sort of thing we don't want, we want to be world leaders, we want | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
the components and we want to export them so we are building a potential | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
markets for industry for thd future. Thank you, I am grateful to her for | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
giving way. Is she aware th`t the success of the Swansea projdct, by | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
the same developer, would unlock the world's largest tidal lagoon project | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
in Workington and West Cumbria? -- Workington in West Cumbria. That | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
sounds very exciting. You h`ve an initial project, you don't think | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
just off the cost of that btt you think the whole impact that you | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
could have by rolling these out both reducing emissions, getting | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
good markets for component industries and making sure that we | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
are there as a world first. It would be huge kudos for this Government if | :32:54. | :32:54. | |
it did so. Thanks for giving way. I had the | :32:55. | :33:06. | |
fortune to speak in the Swansea tidal debate and I'm happy to state | :33:07. | :33:12. | |
that the ultimate aim was for chain of lagoons that could power and meet | :33:13. | :33:25. | |
up to 8% of the UK's energy needs. Sadly, of course, the record hasn't | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
been very good to date. We had the green deal which was a complete | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
fiasco. It proved to be a vdry unattractive deal, which only helped | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
7% taking up the efficiency measures, and indeed, many of us | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
have had constituents who h`ve experienced real difficulty with | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
this game. No wonder the audit office -- audit office was scathing | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
of its assessment. In spite of warning about the faults, the | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
Government did not do anythhng to improve the scheme. Antennad sudden | :34:00. | :34:10. | |
ending of this game and it's self produced problems. I had a | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
constituent who had problems getting a copy of that survey, we h`ve now | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
got this copy but found it was too late because none of this g`me was | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
up and running still and shd has lost her money on that. It's an | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
appalling situation for pension credit is to be left in. We've still | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
got an awful lot more to do very simple matters like this cycling. We | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
should be trying to ensure that as many products as possible products | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
as possible, such as steel or biodegradable bin should be | :34:46. | :34:52. | |
recycled, some local authorhties are seeking to ban takeaway traxs and | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
use replaceable ones, will the Government consider this? I now wish | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
to talk about an industrial strategy. I very much hope that the | :35:04. | :35:11. | |
Government is really serious about developing consistent, long,term | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
policies, both in manufacturing and industry, and engineering. There are | :35:19. | :35:25. | |
cries for clarity and consistency. With the Government moving the | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
goalposts, this ruins busindss confidence. We've seen masshve job | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
losses in the solar industrx when schemes have been changed at short | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
notice. We want to get businesses to bed -- investing in things which | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
will reduce emissions and hdlp climate change. We need certainty | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
from the Government, partictlarly now with the European Union no | :35:52. | :35:57. | |
longer being the place that we are intending to remain. Companhes are | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
looking to know exactly what this Government is going to offer them. | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
We've just seen that board hn Bridgend slashed their investment | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
plans from 181 million to 100 million and instead of creating 700 | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
jobs, only creating 500. Thhs is very worrying, so we want the | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
certainty and the reassurance that it will be a good place to hnvest in | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
the UK, that we have the right sorts of policies. That we have policies | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
that both favour industrial development, but also tackld the | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
issue of reducing our emisshons and making sure that we ask being seen | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
as a place to invest. So I would urge this Government to get on that | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
carbon plan because it's a lajor part of their strategy. We need to | :36:53. | :37:03. | |
give certainty to the investment in our country's future. Thank you | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
Deputy Speaker. One of the whips said to me earlier that this debate | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
has been Serena and soporifhc so far. I don't think that that is the | :37:17. | :37:23. | |
case. I hope to head towards an agreement. I support the Labour | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
motion today for a number of reasons. Climate change reqtires all | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
participating seriously and to be interested in everyone's best | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
interest. In the hearts and minds of the people of our country, hn | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
perpetuity if we are to succeed is to keep the country in business | :37:44. | :37:54. | |
more. It's no good... Tacklhng of climate change has to be part of | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
omission. I hope it will become part of our identity, but words `re | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
cheap, acts of Parliament c`n be meaningless. God knows, we seen | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
enough of those and the samd can be said of treaties, manifestos, | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
ranging -- arrangement and lore That's why I'm sceptical about the | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
Paris agreement, a little bht. On paper it is absolutely huge. Climate | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
change obviously doesn't happen on paper. It won't be beaten, resolved | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
or mitigated against on papdr either. I am glad that the TS and | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
China have signed a deal but we have been here before, and I am genuinely | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
pleased to see that US preshdents in their final weeks of office commit | :38:48. | :38:57. | |
to these things. I know my view may not be widely shared. We've been | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
beheld -- here before. If Kxoto had worked, and would have needdd the | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
Paris agreement, so it's a case so far throughout my life that the | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
things required for climate change progress doesn't always reflect the | :39:13. | :39:20. | |
poetry of politics. When I saw the heads of state hugging each in front | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
of the cameras in Paris, I could see from and NASCAR space station point | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
of view that I was pretty contentious. The truth is, so far, | :39:36. | :39:48. | |
it is a diplomatic achievemdnts No doubt it is important. The Linister | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
in response the opening spedch said that the signature this -- | :39:54. | :40:01. | |
signatories believe it to bd a game changer. Politicians alone cannot | :40:02. | :40:09. | |
solve climate change. The role of politicians is to enable engineers, | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
investors etc are to giving them access to capital, stable | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
predictable policy frameworks, improved, quick car planning | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
progress which I think has been tried to achieve over a dec`de now. | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
And the Government needs a different relationship with local Govdrnment | :40:29. | :40:36. | |
compared to what currently dxists. This is profoundly important, | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
because without these investments, nothing can be ensured in progress | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
cannot be delivered. The trtth is, yes, despite some progress, we are a | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
long way from this as a country Whitehall and Westminster do know | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
what -- do not work anywherd near enough -- no one can argue right now | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
that our institutions aren't up to the task. The machinery of | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
Government is stifling the dfforts of those combating climate change | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
because we wait achieve a low carbon economy without industrial `ctivism. | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
We need policy to be one and the same thing. Our holy triumvhrate and | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
I hope the departments has been designed to deal with this `pproach. | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
I'm pleased to learn that the Government has now abandoned the | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
market fundamentalism of thd former Chancellor of the Exchequer in this | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
regard. This was touched upon by the honourable gentleman from | :41:40. | :41:46. | |
Southampton, and this dealt with the problems that effectively khlled the | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
previous policies of the prdvious Government. There is mention of | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
nuclear power, this should be central to our national indtstrial | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
strategy and right now we h`ve no such policy, only talk of it. Post | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
Brexit, we need one, but I welcome the talk of one. This stratdgy | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
should have a commitment to combat climate change and help our country | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
for the better. It would secure our energy supplies, meet our climate | :42:20. | :42:25. | |
change obligations, transform our research and development including | :42:26. | :42:33. | |
with universities, and gruesomely -- crucially, help our standing. I urge | :42:34. | :42:43. | |
from the community that I rdpresent, Cumbria, this could be the dngine | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
room of this national effort. There are some constructions of rdactors | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
about to take base, and my constituency can provide 7% of our | :42:55. | :43:02. | |
energy needs, including bringing well-paid jobs to the area. | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
Regarding the project in Sw`nsea, the tidal lagoon project th`t could | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
be the largest in the world. I think it could find 7% of our electricity | :43:14. | :43:21. | |
needs and help to regeneratd an area of traditional market failure. So I | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
hope the Government priorithses both schemes. We don't need a Paris | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
agreement to get on with thdse projects, but I say to my | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
Government, let my communitx help you and be the engine room `nd get | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
on with it without any further delay. Let's do all we can to make | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
sure these projects are dealt with as quickly as possible. I h`te | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
ministers will enjoy me in highlighting the critical idea of | :43:50. | :43:58. | |
Japanese investment. We need to work on our crucially important | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
relationship with Japan. Clhmate change wears no party colours. We | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
really are all in this together and it's about time we got into the | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
business of implementing an industrial strategy with clhmate | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
change and its agenda. The lesson for all of us is that talk hs cheap. | :44:17. | :44:24. | |
Can I apologise for not attdnding the first part of this debate. I was | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
chairing part of the environmental audit committee regarding Brexit. | :44:31. | :44:38. | |
Can I congratulate my honourable friend from Brentwood for ddaling | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
with this in bringing up thhs debate. It's been awhile since we | :44:45. | :44:46. | |
debated climate change in this House. The many, this is ond of the | :44:47. | :44:54. | |
three great challenges of otr age. I think the first two are the | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
challenge of the ageing sochety now that we are living longer how do we | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
all live better? How does society adapt to that new longevity? The | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
second challenge is the hollowing out of technology. Traditional | :45:11. | :45:17. | |
workforces and how does the Government collect taxes on new | :45:18. | :45:24. | |
economy when the intellectu`l capital exist in places likd | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
California but are consumed in our own country and the final great | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
challenge of our age is that of climate change. The challenge of | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
adaptation, of protecting otr islands from the different weather | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
patterns that we are going to see, and how do we mitigate the risks. | :45:43. | :45:49. | |
How do we play our part in the world stand by our neighbours, who had | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
done nothing to cause this catastrophe, and risk having see | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
themselves rise out of poverty, risk seeing hundreds of millions of there | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
own people being dragged back into poverty because of climate train | :46:04. | :46:10. | |
show -- change cutting off their food supply, all seeing thehr island | :46:11. | :46:12. | |
states disappear underwater altogether. We saw in December 015, | :46:13. | :46:22. | |
the 190 countries adopt a ndw climate agreements, and it's the | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
first ever universal legallx binding global deal, and it cannot be | :46:26. | :46:34. | |
overstated how much an achidvement this is, and the part that the UK | :46:35. | :46:40. | |
Government played in that, the now climate change secretary re`lly lead | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
the cause on that, and I thhnk it is a great shame that the Government | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
has abolished the departments for energy and climate change, because | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
the lesson from other countries are that when climate change is put into | :46:53. | :46:59. | |
a pot with other policies, ht is often the one that is the loser as | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
economic interests take over. We don't value what we can't sde. This | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
is one of the great abstract thinking problems of trying to deal | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
with climate change, talking about things that will happen. Thd | :47:14. | :47:19. | |
worst-case scenario in 2030 40 years' time, scientists would argue | :47:20. | :47:29. | |
we've had the consecutive hottest months on record and we are above | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
our free Industrial Revoluthon temperatures. I'm happy to give way. | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
Which agree with me that if this Government had followed the example | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
uncertainty of policy then they could look at the state of | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
California where they have introduced this 20 year all,party | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
agreement on renewable energy, and the investment has fallen bx various | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
companies, does she agree whth me that Westminster governments have | :47:59. | :48:06. | |
probably been practising long - short termism for too long `nd this | :48:07. | :48:15. | |
can continue for this period? What businesses want is certaintx and | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
there is a concern in the Conservative Party about our Kalms, | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
but one way of achieving thhs is to set a strict framework and then to | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
stick within that framework to the interim targets that we wish to see | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
and the Honourable Gentleman has played a great part in the `udit | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
committee sharing the Scotthsh experience but | :48:40. | :48:48. | |
23 countries have ratified the agreement and we have seen this with | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
the US and China coming togdther. They represent 40% of the world s | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
carbon emissions, this is a significant moment. For me, they are | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
firing the starting gun on the next big industrial revolution. The first | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
industrial revolution, Brit`in led the way. The spinning jenny, | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
electricity, energy, this steam engines. Technological change in the | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
90s, which has changed how we do business and this is going to be the | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
third great Industrial Revolution of our time. Whichever country gets | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
close to market with individual transport solutions that ard not | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
emitting, solar powered cars, battery storage. That country has a | :49:33. | :49:36. | |
massive competitive advantage in the global race. We have heard `bout the | :49:37. | :49:44. | |
UK climate change act in 2008, it was Labour's achievement in a | :49:45. | :49:52. | |
cross-party case, only five members voted against it. Reducing 80% of | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
the 1990s level by 2050. Th`t act has been copied, replicated and | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
imitated across the world. Ht gives investors certainty. That is | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
crucial, particular at a tile post the referendum result where there is | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
a great deal of uncertainty in our economy. It sets a long-terl goal | :50:14. | :50:19. | |
but it gives the government flexibility on how it meets those | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
goals. Our government brought in the renewable obligations, that brought | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
about an energy revolution hn this country. In 2005, none of otr energy | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
was produced from renewable sources. Last year, at certain points, it was | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
25% of our electricity coming from renewable sources. I want to talk | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
about the work of the environmental audit committee. An excellent report | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
published ten days ago. Sustainability in the Department for | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
Transport. Did not get quitd as much press coverage as the micro beads | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
report but we are delighted. It is a great shame, I am sure nobody in the | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
debate or in the gallery usds micro beads. We are all looking vdry | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
polished and relaxed after our summer break. I want to talk a | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
little about what we found. What we found was concerning. We fotnd that | :51:17. | :51:22. | |
the UK's failing to reduce carbon emissions in the transport sector. | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
We found air quality targets that we were supposed to meet in 2000 will | :51:27. | :51:32. | |
now not be met until 2020 at the earliest. The only reason there is a | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
plan for developing them is because we are remember of the EU and the | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
threat of ECG action against the United Kingdom. -- ECJ. It has been | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
a year since we discovered Volkswagen had fitted cheap devices | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
onto a range of cars and yet the government is still to decide what, | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
if any action, to take against the company. As far as I am aware, not a | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
single Volkswagen has been recalled in this country for any kind of | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
refit and I think that is unacceptable for customers who may | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
wish to be changing their c`rs and unable to get a fair valuathon, etc. | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
Domestic transport is the shngle largest emitting vector of the | :52:17. | :52:22. | |
economy. It accounts the 22$ of UK emissions. They need to fall by 31% | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
over the next ten years. We found that the UK is on course to miss | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
that target by 50%. Demand the transport is growing and despite | :52:34. | :52:40. | |
marginal falls in average c`r and van CO2 intensity, it is drhving up | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
emissions. We are not going to be on the most cost-effective pathway to | :52:45. | :52:52. | |
that 2030, 2040, 2050 target. If we are not on the most cost-effective | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
pathway it means we are idlhng along in the slow lane at the momdnt and | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
then hoping something will turn up that will suddenly help us leet | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
those carbon budgets later on down the road. Literally and figtrative | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
leave. I give way. I am grateful for you to give way. Can I ask, do you | :53:11. | :53:18. | |
agree that the proposition put forward by the Scottish Govdrnment | :53:19. | :53:26. | |
that cities are free of fossil fuel vehicles by 2050 is the right | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
approach. We should be lookhng in the UK to follow the examplds of | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
Norway and the Netherlands where they are looking to ban all new | :53:33. | :53:40. | |
petrol and diesel vehicles by 2 25? The 2050 target is long enotgh away | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
for none of us to be accountable for it because most of us will be dead | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
by then. Some of us. I prob`bly will be. I will be enjoying a long and | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
fruitful old age. I intend to live until I'm 100. I disagree, H want to | :53:55. | :54:01. | |
see interim targets. If that is the target, what I would be intdrested | :54:02. | :54:08. | |
in, what is the 2020 target, 20 5 and 2030 target? Those far-`way | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
targets can always be our children's problems. As I look into thhs | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
report, we are not doing enough now. I want to develop my theme because | :54:19. | :54:25. | |
transport emissions have increased in 2014 and 2015. 94% of those | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
transport emissions are frol road transport. We were concerned that | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
less than 1% of new cars ard electric. There is a good rdason for | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
that, they are very expensive. ?32,000. The committee on climate | :54:39. | :54:45. | |
change says we need 9% of all new cars to be ultra low emission | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
vehicles by 2022 meet those targets at the lowest cost to the ptblic. | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
When we match what the clim`te change committee was saying to the | :54:55. | :54:57. | |
Department forecast, they wdre saying that we will get 3% to 7 of | :54:58. | :55:05. | |
vehicles will be ultra low dmissions by 2020. The average central point | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
is five. The department itsdlf, the central forecast is 5%. The | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
committee for climate changd says that should be 9%. That is worrying | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
because the 2030 target is that 60% of all new vehicles should be low | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
emissions. If you are only `t 5 in 2020, I cannot see where get to 60% | :55:27. | :55:33. | |
without some spectacular ch`nge in the way we buy cars in this country. | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
We didn't hear from the Dep`rtment for Transport any brilliant, bright | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
ideas. We heard of the monex committed but we didn't see a | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
strategy for getting that m`ss take-up. That means we are playing | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
catch up. And we are not gohng to follow the lowest cost routd to | :55:50. | :55:55. | |
decarbonising the economy. H thank her for giving way. These t`rgets | :55:56. | :56:03. | |
that the Honourable Lady suggests, 2020, 2030. I am no expert, is there | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
any way of measuring progress towards those targets by ye`r, for a | :56:07. | :56:17. | |
sample. Yes, it is. It is done in the single departmental plan and the | :56:18. | :56:20. | |
annual reports. The committde on climate change looks at this and | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
these targets every year and says whether or not we are going to meet | :56:26. | :56:31. | |
the various carbon budgets. A range of reporting mechanisms and I see it | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
as the job of the committee to point out where we think things are going | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
wrong. We could see a whole range of policies, Madam Deputy is bhgger, | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
that could help drive low elission vehicle uptakes. Local authorities | :56:44. | :56:49. | |
had a range of innovative ideas Stickley in Fleet procurement. I am | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
sure the government is the largest buyer of it goes in the country If | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
the NHS move to all electric vehicles, they would get much less | :56:58. | :57:02. | |
than ?30,000 per car and gu`ranteed buying it back and then you have a | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
market that gets people used to buying these vehicles. We could see | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
workplaces investing in charging points. That is one of the problems | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
with electric vehicles is the range issue. And introducing a national | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
grant scrappage scheme for dlectric and low emission taxis. We want the | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
Treasury to think about changes to vehicle taxation including company | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
cars, to make electric vehicles more attractive. This is really hmportant | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
for the UK industrial stratdgy. I was brought up in Coventry `nd | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
watched the manufacturing industry, the car manufacturing industry | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
disappear around me in the 0980s. But the remaining manufacturers | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
Nissan, Honda, LTM I, are m`king electric taxis. And Toyota. They | :57:50. | :57:58. | |
need a reason to choose UK factory based in Sunderland, Swindon, | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
Coventry and Derby to manuf`cture the next generation of low dmission | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
vehicles. We heard from the Japanese ambassador about some of thd anxiety | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
around that vote to leave the European Union. We are very keen to | :58:10. | :58:15. | |
see Nissan produced the next generation of their low emission | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
cars in 2017 which is under consideration at the moment. | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
Investors want stability, cdrtainty and policies that will show the | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
government will incentivise the uptake of these vehicles. I am | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
grateful to her for giving way. The engine for climate change committee | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
have been looking at the uptake of electric vehicles. I wonder what | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
assessment the environmental audit committee made about the prdparers | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
of our energy system partictlar for clustered electric vehicles and if | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
we can provide the charge rdquired if there are two dozen or so on the | :58:51. | :58:57. | |
same road seeking a charge over the same period of time. We did not look | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
at the whole life-cycle isstes around that but I feel that might be | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
coming out in the report. That is a good bit of work by both colmittees. | :59:07. | :59:15. | |
He is right, we still have power stations so we have emit in power | :59:16. | :59:19. | |
stations fuelling electric vehicles, it doesn't make sense, we nded to | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
look at the life-cycle of how we do that. There are big issues with | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
battery storage and battery life. If we can find a way to capturd | :59:28. | :59:31. | |
renewables so we could keep an store that electricity when we have more | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
than we need, it would be a great prize for our industry. I t`lked | :59:36. | :59:40. | |
about air pollution and air quality zones. And the fact that those | :59:41. | :59:47. | |
targets for 2021 to be met tntil 2020. There is a detailed analysis | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
of that in the report. And the Volkswagen emissions scandal. 1 | :59:53. | :59:56. | |
million diesel cars in the TK have cheaply designed software. We found | :59:57. | :00:02. | |
some worrying inertia from linisters on deciding whether or not to take | :00:03. | :00:07. | |
legal action, what action to take. We wanted ministers to ask the | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
vehicle certification agencx to carry out tests to see that without | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
those cheap devices, whether the Volkswagen cars in the UK would have | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
failed emissions tests. We think that is important for peopld to | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
know. We would encourage thd Serious Fraud Office, the Competition and | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
Markets Authority to make a decision about whether or not to takd legal | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
action against Volkswagen. Hn the United States, Volkswagen owners | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
have started to receive compensation and some of them have received as | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
much as $10,000. We have also done a recent report on the governlent | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
approach to flooding. Floodhng is the greatest risk that clim`te | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
change faces, that it it puts on to our country. The risk is threefold, | :00:52. | :00:59. | |
surface water when we have heavy rainfall in summer or winter. Like | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
the July 2007 floods that flooded over 1000 homes in Wakefield was the | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
largest civil emergency this country had seen since World War II. It is | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
from river flooding which is what we saw over the Christmas and Boxing | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
Day floods in York and across Scotland, Wales and across the | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
country. It is also from thd risk of a tidal surge from the North Sea. We | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
have been in a position in 2014 wet high winter tights and a colbination | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
of heavy rainfall meant that we had red flood warnings and evactations | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
basically from Newcastle all the way down to Margate. The entire east | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
coast of England at risk of a tidal surge. There is very complex | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
thinking about how we mitig`te this risk and how we get the systems and | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
civil resilience so we are `ble to respond. We have been fortunate that | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
most of these things have h`ppened at different times. If we wdre to | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
get all of those flood problems at the same time, I think therd would | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
be some issues about our abhlity to respond adequately. I will give way. | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
I am grateful to her for giving way. She makes an important point about | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
flooding. Does she recall that at the time of those storms, h`d the | :02:18. | :02:25. | |
high tide and the storm surge been realigned by one hour, more than | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
10,000 homes would have been underwater? | :02:30. | :02:39. | |
It was a very anxious... I remember watching it on the Met office | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
website and thought it wasn't looking good and I would not want to | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
be the minister in charge. We can't keep relying on a lark. We have to | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
have for preparedness and I'm disappointed that the government's | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
and Alison 's -- analysis of being able to deal with these flooding | :03:02. | :03:13. | |
issues has been halted. In the recent flooding, the transport | :03:14. | :03:22. | |
network goes down, the bridge is flooded, emergency services cannot | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
respond, people cannot make phone calls because the digital | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
infrastructure and phone lines have gone down and power cables go out as | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
well. You have people liter`lly and metaphorically in the dark `bout the | :03:36. | :03:44. | |
flood situation. We had that from people from the Calder Valldy. We | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
had an interesting conversation with them. Finally, I want to talk about | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
the what the committee has done looking at the Treasury bec`use all | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
of these decisions are ultilately held or signed off or not bx the | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
Treasury and the National atdit office told the committee there is a | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
growing gap between our stated ambitions on climate change and the | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
policies in spending the government is bringing forward to get ts there. | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
According to the government's own calculations we are on track to miss | :04:18. | :04:28. | |
our own targets by 10%. We saw no action in the last spending review | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
towards closing that gap. In fact that spending review contained a | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
number of negative decisions that have impacted on our abilitx to | :04:40. | :04:47. | |
tackle climate change and c`rbon capture and storage have bedn | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
prepared by industry for seven years. But has delayed the roll out | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
of crucial technology for a decade or more and it means the evdntual | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
bill for cutting carbon emissions could be up to ?30 billion lore | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
Last-minute changes including ending funding for the green deal, | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
cancelling zero cupboard st`nding for new homes, cutting the funding | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
available for greener heating systems and closing the rendwable | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
obligations for onshore wind a year earlier have all damaged business | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
and investor confidence. We need to value natural capital. Our bog | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
lands, rivers and wild as special places because the is more carbon | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
captured in our bog. There hs twice as much carbon in our glands than in | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
the UK atmosphere and if we practice farming that drains that and | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
degrades that peat soil and releases the carbon, we are contributing to | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
the problem and not taking `way from it. We need to look at the role that | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
soils can play. Another excdllent report we produced did not get much | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
Daily Mail attention, but looking at bog people respiration and how it | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
captures carbon is vital and contributes to the richness of our | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
ecosystems and wildlife. We will continue to scrutinise the | :06:22. | :06:33. | |
Treasury's called, work with the National audit office as well. The | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
US and China have work to r`tify this agreement. They are getting a | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
head start in this next gre`t innovation race, the decarbonisation | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
of advanced economies. We h`ve the climate change act and we are | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
fortunate that we have that because it's the basis for this new | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
industrial revolution in sustainable technology and I hope all mdmbers of | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
this house will continue to work together and do the diligent work in | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
our select committees and in our interest groups to ensure this | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
government ratifies an honotrs the spirit of the Paris Agreement. I am | :07:13. | :07:22. | |
grateful to have caught your eye having missed the start of the | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
debate and I apologise to the front bench speakers and losers of the | :07:27. | :07:37. | |
motion. I was delayed in colmittee. I was particularly inspired by the | :07:38. | :07:45. | |
comments from the member from Wirral West about the impact of clhmate | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
change on people in develophng countries. As she said and `s I said | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
in my intervention to her, ht is the poorest and most honourable people | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
around the whole world and very often those who have done the least | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
to cause climate change in terms of the historical carbon emisshons that | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
are feeling the impact of climate change first and hardest and that is | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
why in this debate, and I think in the negotiations that took place in | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
Paris, the concept of climate justice is so important. It is a | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
concept the Scottish governlent really has embraced and can be seen | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
in a whole range of its polhcy interventions will stop the former | :08:29. | :08:38. | |
First Minister spoke about this at the Central School of the Communist | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
Party in China in Beijing, no less. That shows the level of ambhtion the | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
Scottish government has in this area. It did set some of thd most | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
ambitious carbon reduction targets anywhere in the world. Earlher this | :08:57. | :09:03. | |
year we were able to announce that we have met our target this year | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
already to reduce carbon emhssions by 42%. 42 is the answer to | :09:09. | :09:19. | |
everything, according to thd hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy The | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
climate justice fund is also important and I've seen things in | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
action first-hand in Malawi, a country I am familiar with. I have | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
seen the impact of climate change in that country as rain patterns change | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
significantly from what people were used to in the past. Periods of | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
drought followed by rain whhch made the cultivation of crops difficult. | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
Most people in that part of the world rely on the crops. Thd change | :09:51. | :09:59. | |
in the weather pattern as a result of climate change is having a | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
significant impact on the d`y-to-day lives of the population of that | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
country and the wider region, and of course the region is facing a | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
drought at the moment. The fund has been able to help people ad`pt to | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
the changes because of clim`te change. They introduce | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
environmentally friendly methods in their own right. For exampld, | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
farmers could irrigate their crops thanks to a reservoir built at the | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
top of the hill. Just through the force of gravity, they could | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
irrigate the fields and allow people to grow crops and terry-macro where | :10:43. | :10:51. | |
previously that would not bd possible because of the err`tic rain | :10:52. | :11:04. | |
patterns. -- where previously that would not have been possibld. I m | :11:05. | :11:12. | |
grateful to my honourable friend for giving way. You mention innovation, | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
particularly in a country stch as Malawi. Would you agreed th`t it is | :11:18. | :11:26. | |
an opportunity for hydrogen technology and storage to bd used to | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
meet some of these ambitious targets. Incidentally, most of us | :11:30. | :11:45. | |
out to be around in 2050. Wd have hydrogen council vehicle such as | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
buses that are running. I agree Small countries such as Norway, | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
mentioned earlier, and Malawi could benefit from this. The Scottish | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
Justice fund is additional to the international development ftnd the | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
Scottish government makes available for mainstream development | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
programmes. It is encouraging that the Minister on the bench is a | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
former minister of this and hopefully it will lead to some | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
joined up thinking across these concepts. I would like to rdflect on | :12:22. | :12:30. | |
briefly the message of Pope Francis about climate justice tacklhng | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
climate change in our own pdrsonal responsibilities to take action in | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
our daily lives to reduce otr own carbon footprint and our footprint | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
on the planet. A lot of this has been discussed in terms of where | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
energy use comes from. Clean electricity generation, but we have | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
a responsibility to drive ddmand reduction by more efficient use of | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
electricity or by purchasing more efficient electricity appli`nces. We | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
don't need to live in the Stone Age, we need to just make more efficient | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
use of the energy that is bding generated and hopefully energy that | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
is generated in a clean matter. The people who can least afford it are | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
being impacted the hardest `nd it is true of people here in this part of | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
the world. Older people. Th`nk you for giving way. The Prime Mhnister | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
of India has said recently that his country having just recentlx coming | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
to industrialisation should not be presented with a full share of the | :13:37. | :13:45. | |
bill for carbon emissions, likening it to having a meal, but not the | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
desert. Should that be taken into consideration? Absolutely. We have | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
to take our historic responsibility. Buildings in this part of this world | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
had to be cleaned of the sort that have been generated during the last | :14:04. | :14:12. | |
industrial revolution. We h`ve a responsibility to lead on these | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
issues. Even in our own livds and in our own country it is peopld who can | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
least afford it who are hit the hardest. Pensioners living hn the | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
war poverty are finding thehr incomes squeeze by trying to heat | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
the homes. In the summers wd have seen excessive heat and people can't | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
afford air-conditioning and that impact their lives as well. This | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
concept works at home and overseas and there are all kinds of | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
interventions we have heard about. In my own hometown of Glasgow, we | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
have food waste recycling and we will see where the uptake of that | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
goes. I will encourage everxone to make the best of it. The honourable | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
member for Wakefield is right. It is one of the greatest challenges of | :15:06. | :15:15. | |
our time. The government has a moral responsibility to show leaddrship on | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
this issue and hurry up and rectify the Paris Agreement as soon as it | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
possibly can. Much like the Istanbul convention which is being t`ken | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
forward as a private members bill because the government are dragging | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
the feet. Another example of the government ceding the moral high | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
ground. It's quite disappointing. I did say to the prime ministdr | :15:43. | :15:56. | |
earlier that in Star Trek, the movie to mark the 50th anniversarx has | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
them going back to save the whales. If we do want to live long `nd | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
prosper, we really have to tackle climate change. Bill as the sun | :16:05. | :16:11. | |
Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. I did not realise H was in | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
a Star Trek convention, but you learn something everyday in this | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
place. Madam Deputy Speaker, this has been an incredibly important | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
debate. It has been contribtted to by a number of excellent spdeches on | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
all sides by people who know this subject inside out and upside down. | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
Started by the formidable to retort by my honourable friend frol Brent | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
North, not least and includhng the woeful recent government record but | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
we have very good contributhons .. Of course. On the subject of the | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
woeful government record, does he agree with me that a missed | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
opportunity were supporting the alternative airfuel scheme put | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
forward by British airways which would have transferred 575,000 | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
tonnes of London's waste into fuel that would have allowed BA to | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
operate the flights twice over for a year for London city airport? Was | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
that the missed opportunity by the UK government and they should | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
revisit that? I'm grateful to him for his exceedingly early | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
intervention in my speech and of course there are many examples of | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
the kind he just gave us. Wd heard from my right honourable frhend from | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
Doncaster North of the loss of influence, the very worrying loss of | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
influence of this country over tackling climate change and so much | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
else that results from the Brexit vote. He also mentioned his grave | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
concern about the damage behng done to the international communhty s | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
ability to tackle climate change, giving our leading role of tntil now | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
and our likely gym to cleavd reducing influence outside the | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
European Union. -- communitx's ability. There was also questions | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
about whether the government policy meant we were on track or not to | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
meet obligations. Something that became something of a theme amongst | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
honourable members later in the debate, including from my honourable | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
friend from Wakefield. Responding to some of the comments | :18:37. | :18:52. | |
from the minister earlier. He talked about what he called the | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
government's fantastic record. He rather ignored the way in Vdsta | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
confidence has plummeted. How subsidies have been cut and how | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
jobs, not least in the solar industry, have been lost. Also on | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
one hand he blamed the European Union for us not having rathfied the | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
Paris agreement while at college in on the other that other European | :19:16. | :19:24. | |
countries had indeed ratifidd Paris. The government have been happy | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
enough recently to act against the rest of the European Union. The UK | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
blocked the rest of the European union action over the steel industry | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
recently. To take unilateral action when it suits them but I thhnk we | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
have had enough false claims about the EU during the referendul | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
campaign. I will give way. Ht is my understanding that no EU melber | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
country can fully ratify thd treaty until the EU ratifies it as well. | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
Some European countries may have taken the early legislative steps to | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
put themselves on the way to that but I den think any of them have | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
ratified it as yet. Last tile I checked, France was still a full | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
member of the European Union with no intention to leave. We had the | :20:16. | :20:23. | |
announcement last night and we have heard the loose interpretathon of | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
legal obligations today in the chamber when it comes to prdparation | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
and delivery of the fourth `nd fifth carbon plans. I am afraid that that | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
announcement and the approach we have heard today confirmed the need | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
for today's debate for the lotion and that is why those members | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
opposite challenged it. That is why we are right to be pushing this to a | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
vote. It is astonishing how quickly the government has trashed our hard | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
work reputation for respondhng to tile and change. Being a kex | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
negotiator at Kyoto, the 2008 climate change act, a world leader. | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
Our progressive approach, all at risk of being in tatters if we are | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
seen to be dragged to the t`ble at the last minute and as a result of | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
being outside the EU. While China, the US and France, among many others | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
have ratified Paris, despitd what the Prime Minister said earlier | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
today, we are being left lagging behind. At least the governlent has | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
moved on from the situation we had with the previous Business Secretary | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
who refused to let the words industrials strategy pass hhs lips. | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
The new Business Secretary will have to develop a strategy. That is | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
especially true in green endrgy He points made about the need for | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
energy and green energy in particular, being part of otr | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
industrial strategy worked dxtremely well made by my honourable friend, | :21:58. | :22:06. | |
the member for Copeland. He also made similar remarks in his opening | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
speech. Last year we were going to lead the way in Paris with our 1 | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
billion carbon capture and storage competition. The framework | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
Convention identified that `s one of the interventions that would help | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
countries worldwide meet emhssion reduction targets. Just a wdek | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
before the Paris climate conference, the government scrapped its plan | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
despite the international praise it had received. After the Parhs | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
agreement had been signed, this government abolished the EC when the | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
departments expertise would be needed. -- GEC. It increased | :22:47. | :22:57. | |
subsidies for fossil fuel production at the same time as cutting | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
investment in green technologies. While the cost of green energy has | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
been falling, the government has instead been focusing on fr`cking. | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
There are signs with the arrangement for devolution that we are starting | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
to see the sort of long-terl, ambitious vision at local ldvel that | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
is sadly lacking at a national level. My honourable friend for | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
Liverpool Walton is Labour's candidate for Metro Mayor in the | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
Liverpool city region. After many false dawns, we finally havd the | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
chance for the Mersey barrage to be a reality. Developing high-tech | :23:40. | :23:41. | |
industries that can drive forward the economy and liver quality jobs | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
that his constituents and mhne so badly need. While potentially to | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
living energy self sufficiency to the city region. The development of | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
administration in Wales is committed to green technology. With | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
eye-catching proposals were tidal lagoons. Something measured by my | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
right honourable friend for plein air flee. -- Len Exley. | :24:06. | :24:15. | |
They want to make 100% clean energy in London. The London mayor and his | :24:16. | :24:24. | |
colleagues recognise the dalage being done to the health of the | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
people they represent. Labotr in local government and in the devolved | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
administrations want to delhver on the green agenda. They can't do it | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
alone. It should not have to be done in a piecemeal way. Why isn't the | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
green agenda a national priority? Where government, local authorities | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
and administrations can work together to deliver as full | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
partners. Where is the underwriting by government for development of | :24:59. | :25:01. | |
green industries? Where is the government backed green company to | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
challenge the market and address complacency from the energy cartel | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
which is simply not set up to put the needs of residential or business | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
customers first. That is wh`t follows from the short-term nature | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
of the companies that the c`rtel are and then need to put shareholder | :25:23. | :25:29. | |
returns above all else. Wet is the development of a national energy | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
strategy to address the real security concerns over our supply. | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
And if committed to the gredn agenda, why did the governmdnt | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
privatise the green investmdnt bank? The government is missing the fact | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
that inconsistency and uncertainty is the enemy of investment. Last | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
year for the first time, thd UK fell out of Ernst Young's top ten most | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
attractive countries for renewables investment. We use to top the table | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
thanks to clear and long-term planning that gave investors | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
confidence. We fell to fourth in 2013, 11th in 2015 and now, 13. The | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
government's inconsistency hs also undermining confidence in green | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
technology start-ups. Why h`s confidence gone among investors | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
Because the government has put in short-term budget cuts ahead of | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
strategic investment. And bdcause it revokes green policy piecemdal and | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
in about -- in a vacuum. Thdre is an overwhelming economic case for the | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
UK to build infrastructure `nd cutting edge technologies, not just | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
to meet Paris agreement comlitments. We are well placed to serve the | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
market that exists given th`t 1 0 countries signed Paris. There are | :26:53. | :27:00. | |
nearly 100,000 low-carbon and renewable energy businesses in the | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
UK. UK Government figures v`lue the green economy at ?122 billion per | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
year. Double the size of thd automotive industry, twice the size | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
of the chemicals industry. Five times aerospace. Green energy is a | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
major trade opportunity. We have signed deals for ?6.7 billion of | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
low-carbon trade. The global green energy market is growing at over 4% | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
a year and is expected to rdach ?5 trillion this year. Trading green | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
energy has the ability to transform our export prospects at the moment | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
we most need it following the Brexit vote. And then the long-terl cost of | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
failing to invest. The decision to cut the project may have saved 1 | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
billion this year but it is forecast to push the bill for meeting climate | :27:59. | :28:09. | |
change targets to ?30 billion. A very clear example of false economy. | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
Where is the strategy and coherence? Where is their fabled long-term | :28:16. | :28:23. | |
plan? Whether you are looking for an environmental, economic or business | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
rationale, the plan simply hs not there. No wonder the 100,000 members | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
of the public who signed thd petition to ratify the agredment on | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
environmental grounds were joined by investors worth ?13 trillion, | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
arguing that business and economic case for early and end-user the | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
ratification of Paris. The complete lack of strategy in green and | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
renewable energy industries is threatening to rob the UK of a | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
golden opportunity at the vdry time we most need it. The opporttnities | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
exist in renewables. They include the potential for us to be | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
self-sufficient. To deliver energy security for lower prices, ` chance | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
to develop world's leading status in a high-tech sector and a massive | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
export opportunity at a timd of great economic need. All of the | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
while, we deliver on our obligations to the international communhty and | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
to the environment. But we have a new Business Secretary. The chance | :29:27. | :29:34. | |
for a fresh start. If he wants, and I hope the new Business Secretary is | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
serious about an industrial strategy and our global and domestic | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
responsibilities, he has thd chance to develop and deliver a strategy | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
that puts the green sector `t the heart of what this government does. | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
And he has the chance to support a renewables industry so it c`n be the | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
world leader that it wants to be and what it can be. I hope the Business | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
Secretary takes the chance he has been given. | :30:05. | :30:12. | |
Well. Thank you, this is my first time at this dispatch box. H have | :30:13. | :30:23. | |
often wondered what the view would be like. It is really not b`d. I was | :30:24. | :30:32. | |
lowered, and I don't just mdan the Scottish National party. I was | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
lowered without difficulty but with great regret from the culture, media | :30:37. | :30:42. | |
and sport select committee because of the challenges involved `nd the | :30:43. | :30:44. | |
extraordinary fascination of the issues. My first day, I discovered, | :30:45. | :30:53. | |
what should I say, the challenging and testing and strenuous n`ture of | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
the department. The Canadians running technique of welcomd to the | :30:57. | :31:04. | |
department, briefed and invhted to manage statutory instruments within | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
48 hours. That was on carbon budgets are might add. I couldn't h`ve been | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
more pleased to do that givdn the importance of this issue. Wd have | :31:12. | :31:17. | |
heard many passionate speeches today from both sides of the housd about | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
climate change. We have gond from the Oracle of Delphi to the | :31:24. | :31:30. | |
Philippines, to Swansea and to Malawi. We have gone from Star Trek | :31:31. | :31:37. | |
two logarithms, to Boggs, two lagoons. And it has been a | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
fascinating debate. There h`s been great expertise, some humour and | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
some real wisdom displayed `cross the house. But there has bedn one | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
very odd thing about this. This has been opposition debate but with | :31:53. | :31:59. | |
remarkably little true opposition. If you look at the speakers we have | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
had, we had very eloquent words for the Right Honourable member from Don | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
Costa north talking about the new ministerial team. The Honourable | :32:09. | :32:16. | |
member for South test talking about the carbon budget and members | :32:17. | :32:18. | |
praising the Home Secretary. And their tone has been absolutd | :32:19. | :32:25. | |
admirable. Constructive, bipartisan, intelligent and right. And ht has | :32:26. | :32:31. | |
been echoed, I must also add by other colleagues across the house. | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
Particular the member for Aberdeen South. But what a contrast there has | :32:35. | :32:42. | |
been with the manufactured indignation of the opposition front | :32:43. | :32:49. | |
bench. You may know, Madam Deputy Speaker that John Gielgud's Hamlet | :32:50. | :32:59. | |
was famous for its choked fdrocity. His capacity to bring a tear to NEI | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
at such was the intensity of his engagement. -- tear to the dye. | :33:05. | :33:22. | |
He reminds me of Dame Edith Evans in the role of Lady Bracknell! The | :33:23. | :33:31. | |
truth is two themes have cole across... I'd be delighted to. Was | :33:32. | :33:44. | |
the one single point that I made where I was wrong? I think there are | :33:45. | :33:54. | |
many one could pick on, but my point was a matter of tone will stop it | :33:55. | :34:04. | |
was a matter of tone. I am joining the sedentary contribution. He has | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
had his moment. Let us focus on the two themes that have come through | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
loud and clear from all the speeches and interventions. Firstly, the | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
issue of climate change is hn the mainstream of our political debates. | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
Whatever people's specific views, climate change is recognised across | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
all parties in other nations and regions of this country. We mark to | :34:31. | :34:49. | |
must not view this in a partisan way. Action has been taken by China | :34:50. | :34:57. | |
and the USA this week, but `s the Prime Minister underlined a few | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
hours ago, this country has long exercised global leadership in this | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
area. It has balanced ambithon with a sober recognition of the costs | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
involved. Costs that can hit industry and directly and indirectly | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
the poorest people in our stpplier to -- in our society. We have called | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
for celebration though not regret. We can all agree that climate change | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
is one of the most serious threats facing the world and it has been | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
brought home again by excellent examples highlighted by | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
contributions from members from Glasgow North, Wirral West, Llanelli | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
and Wakefield, as well as from my brilliant colleague the Minhster of | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
State. We agree climate change is one of the most serious thrdats | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
facing the world. We are grdy - we agreed the UK has played an | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
important part and we agree action is an opportunity for growth, the | :36:00. | :36:07. | |
new jobs and improvement to health, cities and our daily lives. This | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
consensus is the prerequisite, the essential long-term basis for | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
concerted action by all govdrnments at any time in this area. It will be | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
especially helpful to us as we look forward to the meeting in M`rrakesh | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
in November which will help to set many of the rules relating to the | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
Paris Agreement and so markdd a shift from aspiration to | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
implementation. This consensus and the need to maintain it is | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
fundamentally why I hope thd honourable member will not press | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
this needlessly divisive motion to a vote. The government has made clear | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
it welcomes the push by the US, by China and by other countries to the | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
early ratification of the P`ris Agreement. We remain firmly | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
committed to that agreement and to ratifying it as soon as possible. | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
The convention, however, it is as the European Union, or membdr states | :37:07. | :37:13. | |
ratify the agreement togethdr collectively alongside it and we | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
hope that will happen as soon as possible. It is not unfortunately | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
true, as was stated by the opposition front bench, that France | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
has ratified that agreement. Referred to the briefing from the | :37:27. | :37:37. | |
6th of August, as set out on the UK embassy French website. It will not | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
do so and to all member states are ready to do so and will focts on | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
other members to make progrdss. It was reported in the press as being | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
ratified by them, but it has not. We have heard concerns today about the | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
Paris Agreement coming into force before the EU has ratify thd | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
agreement, but there is a whdespread international understanding that in | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
the event the agreement entdrs into. Early, countries that haven't | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
completed the domestic procdsses, very important processes of | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
consensual ratification to `llow those ratification to take place | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
should not and will not be prejudiced. That would mean that as | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
many as 140 countries, incltded some of the poorest and more clilate | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
afflicted countries in the world will be denied a full seat `t the | :38:31. | :38:38. | |
table. Marrakesh in November will take a decision formally to that | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
effect. Turning to the issud of recent history, few countrids have | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
been more active in decarbonisation than this one. We were the first | :38:49. | :38:56. | |
country to set a legally binding 2050 target. We have just shgned off | :38:57. | :39:03. | |
our fifth carbon budget which sets the terms for the overall phcture. | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
Since then the UK has made great progress in decreasing emissions. | :39:10. | :39:20. | |
Over the last five years, bdtween 2010 and 2015, our domestic | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
greenhouse gas emissions have fallen by 17%, the biggest reduction in a | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
single parliament. We already have domestic obligations that kdep the | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
UK were below the 2 degrees temperature goal mandated bx the | :39:34. | :39:40. | |
Paris Agreement. Yes, of cotrse The Minister mentioned the question of | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
signing the fifth carbon budget and he also mentioned my pleasure at | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
that carbon budget being signed but perhaps you missed the point I made | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
earlier that actually the government is now nowhere near, anywhere | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
possibly according to the tdrms of the fifth carbon budget, as a result | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
of the policies it has put hn place recently and that should be of some | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
concern to the minister? It has been stated the government was going to | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
announce measures during thhs parliament that would address that | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
and it is a proper concern, but it does not defer from the point that | :40:17. | :40:27. | |
framework exists. I don't think the can be much doubt about the | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
structure and credibility of the long-term framework that thd | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
government is following. Through the climate change act and the carbon | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
budgets written has an advanced module of the requirements lade by | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
the Paris Agreement to set out a national plan to curb emisshons and | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
improve those plans every fhve years, setting progressivelx tighter | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
targets. That model has been widely admired abroad and has provdd | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
influential to other countrhes facing the other challenges, among | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
them Denmark, Finland and France. With the confirmation in July of our | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
fifth carbon budget we are hn a strong position to continue this | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
steady path of improvement. That is the goal of this new departlent Its | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
creation shows that climate change is a mainstream part of our | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
political life. Yes, of course. I don't know if he has seen the | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
conclusions of the environmdntal conclusions audit report, btt | :41:28. | :41:38. | |
interim targets were includdd and the transport sector is set to miss | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
that target by over 50%. Can he comment on some of the spechfic | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
challenges facing the transport sector and the fact we are set to | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
miss our third carbon budget, 2 27 which is in nine years' timd. We all | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
recognise that on present projections the UK is going to have | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
more to do to reduce domesthc emissions. That is going to require | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
an emissions reduction plan. It s too early to give the specifics of | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
will be included, but it will aim to set up the government's proposals | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
across key sectors in the UK over the medium to long term. Th`t will | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
be specifically structured to meet those needs. If I may return to what | :42:22. | :42:29. | |
I was saying. Then returned briefly to the issue that was raised by the | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
Right Honourable member for Doncaster North which is thd issue | :42:34. | :42:40. | |
of our relation to the EU after Brexit. Leaving the EU does not mean | :42:41. | :42:50. | |
the UK will step back from this agenda. Indeed, let us all be clear. | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
The UK will not step back from international leadership and remains | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
as committed as ever to tackling climate change. We will continue to | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
be an outward looking country. We have an unrivalled set of | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
relationships around the world a membership of key international | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
groupings through which to lake the case for action and build bridges | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
between different views and interests, as the Right Honourable | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
member said. Even after Brexit we expect to work closely with the EU | :43:18. | :43:34. | |
and individual EU member st`tes with whom we will have a continuhng | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
shared interest in pressing the case for action on climate changd. We | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
will continue to use the authority from our tracks record to stpport | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
domestic and international climate action and shape the wider | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
international agenda. As I have made clear, our history puts us hn a good | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
position to build on what w`s agreed in Paris. The conference in | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
Marrakesh in November marks a further stage in the implemdntation | :43:57. | :43:58. | |
of that global agreement. These are of that global agreement. These are | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
complex negotiations that whll take time and we should not necessarily | :44:04. | :44:10. | |
expect headline grabbing outcomes. But, Madam Deputy Speaker, ht has | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
brought into focus on the positive side from an innovation standpoint | :44:15. | :44:24. | |
some important contributions made, including real opportunities for | :44:25. | :44:31. | |
this country. We can build on our progress towards a low carbon | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
economy, both domestically `nd abroad. Low carbon sectors `re part | :44:36. | :44:44. | |
of our economy. In 2014 over 90 thousand businesses were directly | :44:45. | :44:53. | |
engaged in low-carbon and rdnewable energy, resulting in an increase in | :44:54. | :45:09. | |
full-time jobs in the sector. The call for common sense and an | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
emphasis on social justice hssues involved and the importance of | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
taking advantage of these economic opportunities. Green financd is a | :45:18. | :45:26. | |
major priority for the largdst emerging markets. The green bond | :45:27. | :45:34. | |
market has grown from just $3 billion in 2012 to $42 billhon | :45:35. | :45:42. | |
globally last year, with London as the world's 's international | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
financial centre, and with significant expertise and ldgal | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
services this country is well positioned to help finance the | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
transition globally to a low carbon economy. I would like to conclude by | :45:56. | :46:04. | |
congratulating every member who s contributed to today's debate by | :46:05. | :46:12. | |
thanking them. It has been ` very absorbing debate in deed and the | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
number and the quality of the speeches testifies to the ilportance | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
of the issues involved. The UK remains firmly committed to the | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
Paris Agreement and its rathfication as soon as possible. This country | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
has not and will not step b`ck from international leadership in | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
combating climate change. However we also remain committed to ambitious | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
domestic action. The fifth carbon budget was set in line with our | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
independent advisers and it is equivalent to a 57% reduction on | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
1990 levels. We know that there will be complex challenges to | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
decarbonising in the years `head. That is to be expected, but our aim | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
is to meet these challenges in a way that is fair, affordable and that | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
maximises the economic benefit to the UK. That requires a whole | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
economy approach to deliverhng our goals that will balance economic | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
growth and carbon reduction. Through the creation of the Departmdnt of | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
business energy and industrhal strategy we will do just th`t. Hear, | :47:21. | :47:30. | |
hear. The question is on thd order paper. I think the eyes-macro have | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
it. -- I think the ayes have it. | :47:36. | :47:51. | |
Capably. It's nice to start early, which means I will have to rush | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
through my speech to get in the appropriate time and I hope there | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
are other members who wish to contribute. | :48:00. | :48:07. | |
I want to lay out the issues around this project which is now nhne as | :48:08. | :48:18. | |
the vanity project, unfortunately. Although it is being responded to | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
tonight by the transport minister, it is not a transport project. I | :48:23. | :48:30. | |
know the minister who should be answering of course is in the House | :48:31. | :48:33. | |
of Lords so I welcome the mhnister here and I hope he has understood | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
his brief in the wider contdxt. I first want to pay tribute to all of | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
those who have worked so hard to shine a light on the failing of the | :48:43. | :48:49. | |
bridge project. Waterloo colmunity development group, those in the | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
Greater London authority group, cross-party, who did their best to | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
get to the truth. Especiallx Liberal Democrat Caroline Pidgeon, `nd | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
Conservative Andrew Gough, `ll on different parties but all united on | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
this issue. The local counchllor, Councillor Moseley and councillor | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
Craig, have been brave enough to stand up to their own labour Council | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
on this, representing strongly the views of their particular local | :49:21. | :49:26. | |
area. A great -- a great de`l of the information I am using has had to be | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
dragged other public bodies by freedom of information requdsts I | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
pay tribute to the work of journalists like Will Hirst, Peter | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
Walker from the Guardian, and Hannah Baines from Unite who have done so | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
much to make sure this information, which should have been publhc in the | :49:45. | :49:47. | |
first place, has been made transparent. I have to say that many | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
of us in London have been incredibly disappointed with the London Evening | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
Standard. From the beginning, they have ignored any criticism or | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
alternative view of the garden bridge. They really have bedn the | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
official mouthpiece of the garden bridge trust. The hats not | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
surprisingly, at one time, their proprietor was shown as a governor | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
of the garden bridge trust. That is no longer the case. But it hs sad | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
that a paper once known for its fearless reporting has on this issue | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
has acted as a cheerleader without recognition of the widespre`d | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
opposition from Londoners. Can I thank the Honourable Lady, who is a | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
good friend, for giving way. During the course of the Evening Standard | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
giving their support, do yot think they ended up considering m`king | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
room for hedgehogs in this garden bridge as well? I pay tribute to the | :50:45. | :50:53. | |
work the Honourable member has done on supporting hedgehogs. Perhaps the | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
shares my view that if therd were a few less badges around that we might | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
get more hedgehogs. That was not a consideration in any of the | :51:03. | :51:04. | |
discussions to do with the garden bridge. I am not afraid to support | :51:05. | :51:12. | |
unpopular causes, I want to support some popular ones as welcomd as we | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
have seen recently but I supported the London eye from the beghnning. | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
Despite many members in this house who thought that it was wrong. It is | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
interesting to look back on that, people in this House of Comlons | :51:27. | :51:29. | |
opposed the London eye becatse they didn't want to be overlooked when | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
they were out on the terracd. It was delivered without a penny of public | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
money. It was painstakingly argued for by the two brilliant architects, | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
who are my constituents, who spoke and discussed with every group to | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
win their confidence and most importantly at that time, as we are | :51:48. | :51:54. | |
going back some years, the London eye action was the catalyst for | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
regeneration on that part of the South bank. There was a Pachfic | :51:58. | :52:03. | |
trust set up so that a percdntage of the profit goes towards keeping the | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
area clean and police. The garden bridge trust have behaved so | :52:10. | :52:18. | |
differently. They can only be described as lacklustre. Thdy | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
treated local views with disdain, acting as if anyone who objdcted was | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
some kind of stupid. Another constituent of mine who I h`ve huge | :52:27. | :52:34. | |
and racial book, join alumnh, when even she at times almost disparaged | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
people who had genuine objections. I have to admit that when I fhrst | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
heard about the garden bridge across the Thames, I probably thought that | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
it sounded really nice. When described, the proposed garden | :52:49. | :52:50. | |
bridge gives the impression of some kind of enchanting mythical -- | :52:51. | :52:57. | |
mystical passage, and escapd from the noise and pollution, tr`nquil | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
hiding place. So who would not have thought that was a nice ide`? When | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
you look at the reality, it is very different. It is a beautiful site | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
overlooking the Thames, with 29 mature trees and abuse of St Paul's, | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
the site is an asset of comluting value, loved by locals and visitors | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
and a public open space that would be lost to a huge concrete retail | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
centre building manned by sdcurity guards. This area was won bx long | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
and hard fought battle by the commuted through the 70s and 80s to | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
secure green open space beshde the River for the benefit of local | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
residents, workers and visitors When I really looked into the garden | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
bridge proposals, I realised that even if the concept seemed nice it | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
was in the wrong place, there were other parts of the river whdre a | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
transport crossing was far lore needed. But more crucially, there is | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
a cost. This is not simply ` local issue. Not even a London issue. It | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
carries national significance in the use of public funds and the delivery | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
of a major infrastructure project in a specific location to the value of | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
?185 million. In my view, the arguments are very weak in respect | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
of its need, it's supporting business case and especiallx the | :54:18. | :54:21. | |
location. Other areas of London has significant need of investmdnt of | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
this sort, as do so many other important regions of our cotntry. I | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
will give way. Very grateful for her giving way. On this issue of the | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
regions, can I tell her that at the same time in 2014 that the `partment | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
of transport provided the ?30 million worth of public mondy for | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
backing this bridge, despitd the 185 minim pounds scheme not havhng the | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
required 100 million of public - private sector funding. At that | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
time, there was ?100 million of private sector funding to electrify | :54:54. | :55:00. | |
the rail lines to Hull. This scheme, which was submitted to the | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
Department for Transport has been sat in the department now for over | :55:03. | :55:05. | |
two years. Even though the department only had to provhde .4 | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
minim pounds of public monex. Doesn't this show really th`t the | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
regions are losing out again when it comes to transport investment by | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
this government? I have gre`t sympathy with my honourable friend | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
and many other members across the country will look at this money and | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
wonder why they have not bedn able to get something like this for | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
something really needed in their area. I am grateful for her giving | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
way. She is a doughty campahgner for her constituency in London but would | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
she agree with me perhaps that no other region, part of the chty or | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
part of the UK would perhaps qualify for this level of government | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
attention and initial expenditure that this bridge has receivdd? I | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
absolutely agree. I will sthck up for London and I do believe that | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
London being the great city it is and the capital city of the country, | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
loved by people who live here but very open to tourism, does sometimes | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
need special arrangements. We have with our policing for a exalple | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
This is something very diffdrent and I have to say that perhaps the | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
problem with my two Honourable friends who have spoken frol their | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
area is that maybe the diffdrence is they don't have Johanna Lumley | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
living in their area. Let's look at the cost. When the garden bridge was | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
first announced, it was quite it would not require a penny of public | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
money. Very soon, the former Chancellor announced ?30 million of | :56:32. | :56:37. | |
support and TEFL also came tp with ?30 million. ?60 million of | :56:38. | :56:39. | |
taxpayers money had been colmitted to a project that literally came at | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
a thin air. Had never been discussed with anyone before it was announced. | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
Unless of course in private discussions between Johanna Lumley | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
and the former Chancellor and others. From the beginning, those | :56:52. | :56:54. | |
supporting the garden bridgd trust behaved as if they knew thex had | :56:55. | :57:00. | |
support in high places. And of course, Madam Deputy Speaker, they | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
had. The report in February by a project which is a not-for-profit | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
procurement intelligence service going through in great detahl, | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
procurement processes, goes into great detail on how this whole | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
procurement process was handled The tender originally asked for broad | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
options for a pedestrian brhdge between Temple and the South bank. | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
They made no mention of a g`rden living bridge element. As a result, | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
only the studio bid responddd with not just a garden bridge oppose all | :57:35. | :57:40. | |
but a design drawing and an actual location plan for the garden bridge. | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
This had not been called for in the tender specifications but they | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
received the highest mark for their understanding of the brief. A single | :57:49. | :57:55. | |
person in City Hall assessed the technical and commercial valuation | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
of the three bids. That person, the managing director of planning for | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
TEFL. Normally, subjective judgment in public tender documents would | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
have a team of assessors to ensure impartiality. We now know that this | :58:09. | :58:19. | |
man used to work for the sale company, who were in another flawed | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
tender process won the contract for the Temple bridge trust and had over | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
?8 million given to them. It gets worse. Where has he gone back to | :58:30. | :58:38. | |
work with? Them of course, they seem to like former City Hall st`ff | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
because they have just appohnted, their new global transport leader is | :58:43. | :58:49. | |
a former City Hall Deputy hdad of transport. She was personally | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
involved in nearly all of the meetings prior to the tendering | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
process with Thomas had the whip. Both of the officers involvdd with | :58:57. | :59:02. | |
the entire process have now gone and left City Hall and to be employed by | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
the garden bridge engineer `nd lead consultant. It could be a | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
coincidence of course, Madal Deputy Speaker but I think most fahr-minded | :59:14. | :59:16. | |
people would think this is very strange. Even the GLA internal audit | :59:17. | :59:23. | |
head admitted the procurement had neither been open or objecthve. | :59:24. | :59:26. | |
There is a real question ovdr the procedure and yet the National Audit | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
Office can do nothing about this. They responded to me by sayhng it | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
was not in their remit to look into TEFL behaviour but it should be the | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
GLA oversight committee supported by locally appointed auditors. Ernst | :59:42. | :59:47. | |
Young are the local appointdd auditors for the GLA. They were also | :59:48. | :59:53. | |
appointed to run the investhgation into TEFL by the mayor but Drnst and | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
Young believe it or not our listed as donating ?500,000 to the bridge | :59:59. | :00:03. | |
as well as the fact that an Ernst Young partner sits on the board of | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
the garden bridge trust. Thd GLA oversight looked into this `nd the | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
chair described it as a dodgy design procurement rosettes and suggested | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
that transport London reimbtrsed the two other applicants. I think the | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
National Audit Office should be able to investigate public money used by | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
transport for London but I `m glad they have agreed to look into the | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
?30 million given by the former Chancellor of the Exchequer via the | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
Department for Transport and how it has exercised control over the | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
money. The model under which the garden bridge operates sets a | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
dangerous precedent and this is why it should be of interest to all | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
members. It sets a dangerous precedent that allows public bodies | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
to affectively offshore major infrastructure projects by | :00:52. | :00:58. | |
leveraging under the oversight of the Charity commission to avoid the | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
transparency and scrutiny rdserve for governmental bodies. Vi` the | :01:03. | :01:12. | |
National Audit Office. Sincd July 2000 ?26,720,292 has been p`id to | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
the garden bridge trust with absolutely no accountabilitx on how | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
it has been spent and no invisibility of their accounts. The | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
current mayor stated when hd came in that ?37.7 million has alre`dy been | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
spent by the trust but and H quote "Nothing has been achieved to date." | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
More recently on LBC, he st`ted the issue was -- the amount was ?42 | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
million but he said himself he didn't want any more public money. | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
It would be interested to know, since he came in, why there has been | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
another five or ?6 million spent. Recently, Lord Davies, the chair of | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
the garden bridge trust stated on Newsnight that a significant amount | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
of spin had been spent on two contractors. I think I have got the | :01:59. | :02:07. | |
pronunciation right. It is ` French company and there are slight | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
variations on how to pronounce it. No visibility has been provhded over | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
these contractual arrangements or legal clarity provided as to whether | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
there are clauses to return public money in the event the projdct is | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
cancelled. I believe contracts should not have been entered into | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
until the land arrangement on both sides of the river had been secured | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
and it does that those taxp`yers funds to risk. The land still has to | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
be negotiated and community builders who holds the long lease ard not | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
happy with the terms of agrdement even now. The judicial revidw has | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
been filed and the money for that has been raised by small donations | :02:46. | :02:46. | |
across London. Quite suddenly the garden bridge | :02:47. | :03:04. | |
trust changed it dates for filing its accounts. There are risks this | :03:05. | :03:14. | |
will be a colossal white eldphant, which has been depicted in ` | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
magazine this week as a big white element over the Thames. We do know | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
it will cost ?10 million more, up to 85 million and will be further | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
delayed by a year, even if they get what they want. It now has to raise | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
between 52 and 56 million jtst to build the bridge up from wh`t they | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
originally said was 32 millhon they will be raising. Additional money is | :03:41. | :03:48. | |
needed for the running costs and the insurance of 15 million with only 9 | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
million offered by the DFT. I'm sure the Minister will go into why the | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
Secretary of State continue to underwrite it, but I welcomd the | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
fact the department did not say in any way they were going to hncrease | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
it. There was a danger they would increase it, but they didn't and | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
that is something to be welcomed, but I still think it is a rhdiculous | :04:15. | :04:21. | |
waste of public money. From the Garden Bridge Trust's press release | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
in June they admit to spendhng 2.7 million alone of public mondy on | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
preconstruction activities, progressing the design, obt`ining | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
licenses impermanence, planning approval, which they still don't | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
have, including stakeholder and community consultations, but no | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
further information is provhded and a number of leading construction | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
experts have said they can't understand that what has bedn spent | :04:48. | :04:54. | |
should amount to more than ?1 million. I can't understand how the | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
government, be it the Treastry or Department of Transport can feel | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
comfortable with the truly remarkable amount of money `lready | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
spent by the Garden Bridge Trust. I find it hard to explain to ly | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
constituents, many of whom would be declined of people do new Prime | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
Minister addressed on the steps of Downing Street on her first days in | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
Downing Street on what is ?40 million of public money alrdady | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
being spent on a bridge that is going to be close regularly for | :05:24. | :05:34. | |
private functions and it is not going to allow cycling and hs going | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
to have all sorts of rules `bout what you can do on it and what you | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
can't do on it and is compldtely in the wrong place. I give way. I thank | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
the Honourable Lady for what she has said and I am increasingly `gainst | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
this garden bridge project because I've come to listen to the | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
honourable lady, but can I `sk the honourable lady whether it hs true | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
that the beautiful view madd by Canaletto at St Paul's will be | :06:00. | :06:07. | |
destroyed? I'm glad that yot have come with an open mind for xes - | :06:08. | :06:18. | |
open mind. Yes, once it is lissed, we will realise it and the views | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
from Waterloo Bridge St Paul's will be ruined if the garden bridge is | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
built. I also find it difficult to understand that this governlent is | :06:28. | :07:13. | |
underwriting the bridge where donors are not specified. It is relarkable | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
how many of the donors are anonymous. | :07:17. | :07:16. | |
What they want to be anonymous. It is all smoke and mirrors. I welcome | :07:17. | :07:27. | |
the fact that the Charity commission is now investigating the trtst and | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
have put that in writing to me. Just a quick word on the business plan | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
which has been so admirably gone into in great detail. There has been | :07:37. | :07:48. | |
a review by Dan Anderson at Fort Street. They have done great work | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
for the National trust and other public bodies. They have looked at | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
the business plan and gone through it detail by detail and pointed out | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
all the floors and I really would recommend its reading. One crucial | :08:03. | :08:10. | |
point from that 4.2 where hd quotes, it is worryingly worth noting that | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
the Garden Bridge Trust has an incentive to spend money as quickly | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
as possible and not efficiently cost effectively. That is the trtst has a | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
powerful incentive to make sure it reaches the point of no rettrn in | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
financial terms as quickly `s it can so that planning land acquisition | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
and all legal challenges do not ultimately thwart the project. I | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
think that must be a large part of the explanation as to how stch an | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
extraordinary sum of money has been spent before construction h`s even | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
started. Others as well, ap`rt from the government, TEFL and city Hall, | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
need to examine the behaviotr on this project. They have been a cosy | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
little cartel working with dveryone blaming everyone else. At L`mbeth | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
Council the almost sleeveless report given to the Garden Bridge Trust is | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
disturbing. The chief Executive attending meetings with the mere's | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
had of staff. Lambeth Counchl leadership is never allowed a proper | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
full debate in Council and the vote and have ignored the local | :09:18. | :09:26. | |
councillors's views. There have been no policy bases over three xears. | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
The transport plan does not mention the Garden Bridge. They havd been | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
the policy paper from Lambeth on why the Garden Bridge could be | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
supported. Lambeth could stop the project tomorrow if they wish. Quine | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
Street community builders should have said no from the beginning to | :09:44. | :09:50. | |
the change in the land leasd. They could stop this tomorrow if they | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
wished. The mayor of London coming in new to this should have put a | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
stop to this or at least consulted local politicians. It is just not | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
good enough for him to say so much money have been spent, we mtst carry | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
on. He could stop it tomorrow if he wished. Who is going to pay the ?3 | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
million running cost? Can the Minister confirm it will not be the | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
taxpayer and it will categorically not have more public funding. Will | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
Lord Amit, who has agreed rdcently, , will there be meetings and | :10:23. | :10:48. | |
discussions between people who really know what is going on. As I | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
talk privately to many of those currently involved in all these | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
different areas of projects, there is huge and ease. I know thdre is | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
unease in the Department of Transport. I know there is tnease in | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
Lambeth and coin Street. I know most of them probably with the exception | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
of the Chancellor would likd the bridge to stop, but no one wants to | :11:11. | :11:28. | |
be the one who says no. Potdntial donors should think about if this | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
project is one they want to be associated with. The reputation of | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
many of them will be damaged by the support for this folly. As ` | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
critique of the business pl`n, the Garden Bridge has to be lovdd as | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
much by the public as it is by its creators of the business module | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
fails. Given how unpopular ht is and how much it has been exposed by FOIA | :11:51. | :12:00. | |
requests, if anyone is thinking of donating, think again. It is ironic | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
that this may be the only where it we may now be safe from this | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
complete waste of public money, even more to be wasted as time goes on | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
and a deeply flawed project which will ruin the most wonderful views | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
as I said earlier of St Paul's from Waterloo Bridge, as well as make the | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
congestion on the South Bank, which is already at dangerous levdls on | :12:23. | :12:31. | |
some weekends, much worse. Ht is the charitable trusts and donors | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
stopping the support and looking elsewhere for the project is more in | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
keeping with the objectives. That is what I would like to see happen | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
This has been put forward as a wonderful new tourist attraction for | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
London. It is a tourist attraction, but it's been dressed up as tourist | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
infrastructure. It's been dressed up to get government support when other | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
brilliant tourist attractions in London have done it by priv`te | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
money. It is an inappropriate use of taxpayer's money and worse, it was | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
promise from the beginning that it would not be. I think we do have to | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
ask the question, who has sold us down the river and how can we ensure | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
that the damage being done `lready, the public money that has bden | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
spent, that no more will be wasted and this Garden Bridge Trust project | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
should be stopped by someond and I would like to hear the Minister say | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
he will do his utmost to make sure that not a penny more will be spent | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
and indeed that we will find ways when this project fails that we get | :13:37. | :13:46. | |
the public money back. Madal Deputy Speaker, in my brief contribution | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
make me stop by paying warm tribute to my honourable friend frol | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
Vauxhall. It says a lot abott her and her priorities. She might be | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
offered what is a prestigiots large-scale project in her | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
constituency, she instead looks at the impact it will have on ordinary | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
people and is, her mind is lade up because of that. I pay tribtte to | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
the forensic way she has trhed to get to the murk of the financing of | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
this project. She has made some progress in that, but more lurk | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
continues. There was a lack of clarity. If I made, Mike is picked | :14:26. | :14:37. | |
up on the ?30 million the government has made. I have been campahgning | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
for just ?100,000 on the M6 to put in safety cameras which the minister | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
declined expenditure on, but he can find ?30 million to pour into a | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
black hole, on a vanity project with several big-name backers, btt with | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
no clear benefit to the comlunity. I wonder if the Minister would care to | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
tell B has in his response that he brings ?30 million spent on a vanity | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
project Garden Bridge in London is better expenditure than ?100,00 on | :15:12. | :15:20. | |
motorway safety cameras in Cheshire? Is the Garden Bridge project | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
receiving this money just bdcause it is in London and not in the | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
Northwest? I will give way. My honourable friend is straying into | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
the Brexit argument, figures written on the sides of buses. I don't think | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
it is an either or. I'm in favour of you getting money for your part of | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
the well, but don't think that because of the Garden Bridgd you are | :15:45. | :15:53. | |
not getting funding. This project will be benefit to London. Tourists | :15:54. | :16:02. | |
will flooding to see this wonderful creation. Cheshire is a fantastic | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
place., visit London and sed our marvellous Garden Bridge. Mx point | :16:09. | :16:17. | |
is this and I don't wish to make a long contribution. There sedms to be | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
a reason why ?30 million worth of public money is being given to this | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
project, despite a lack of clarity, despite no quick end to the project | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
and very little financial and accounting responsibility. H will, I | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
will end shortly, but I will give way. I completely take the point | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
that my honourable friend m`kes and would he agree with me that these | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
vanity projects, by all mean have vanity projects, but let's have | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
vanity project is one we have done the bread-and-butter stop. Hn my | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
constituency we have ?10 million for a major link to the port rahl line. | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
Meanwhile tens of millions of pounds being spent on these vanity | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
projects. Let's do the bread and butter stuff first. My honotrable | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
friend is right, but we don't know how much the vanity projects are | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
costing. I simply say to thd Minister and I simply asked the | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
minister if we can have somd clarity on whether he believes ?30 | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
million... I'm taking longer than I would have expected, but I will | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
always give way to my old friend from Plymouth. I thank the | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
honourable gentleman, who is also a very good friend. I'd like to point | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
out that we need a signific`nt amount of investment into rdll Wales | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
done into Devon and Cornwall as well and... Order. The question hs that | :17:48. | :17:56. | |
this house do now adjourned. It is a great shame that this isn't even | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
going to be a hedgehog superhighway either. | :18:02. | :18:09. | |
I am concerned we are getting away from the main points made bx my good | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
friend from Vauxhall. I askdd the minister whether he believes that | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
?30 million of public money is well spent and whether that would have | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
been spent other than in London thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. Can | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
I remind members that it is quite a narrow debate on the Garden Bridge | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
in London and while other projects may be very interesting and the | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
member is from Vauxhall in London so I think we should keep to the | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
subject. I listened carefully to what you're said and I want to | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
congratulate my honourable friend on the speech she made and the | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
questions she put forward. Which I think we all deserve to havd answers | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
to. I also wanted to say th`t I appreciate very much that London as | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
a capital city will get mord money and rightly so. But I do qudstion, | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
when I learned very recentlx that the new Crossrail station at Canary | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
Wharf is costing ?500 million. That also includes a roof garden, there | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
is clearly a thing about garden is going on. This is more than double | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
the cost of what my city nedds for rail electrification and ro`d | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
schemes that we have been arguing for over many years. It would be | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
helpful if the Minister could explain in his speech what `re the | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
prospects of closing the gap of the ratio of 6-1 in terms of funding, | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
6-1, for London and other p`rts of the United Kingdom. That dods seem | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
to be out of kilter, especi`lly if the government are really committed | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
to the northern powerhouse `nd making sure there is a rebalancing | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
of spending on infrastructure around the country. Thank you very much | :19:53. | :20:04. | |
Madam Deputy Speaker. I may start by congratulating the honourable member | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
for Vauxhall in securing a debate on this important topic. I am sorry I | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
am not my honourable friend, my noble friend, whose responshbility | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
of course it is within the Department for Transport. Btt I do | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
understand and meeting has been arranged and she will be seding him | :20:21. | :20:29. | |
shortly. I also recognise, `s do the Secretary of State and by | :20:30. | :20:31. | |
ministerial colleagues at the Department for Transport th`t the | :20:32. | :20:33. | |
Garden Bridge is a subject that divides public opinion. It hs | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
dividing opinion on a bench a few feet away from each other. But its | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
supporters argue passionately that it will be an iconic and be`utiful | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
addition to the London cityscape, its opponents argue it is an | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
unnecessary eyesore and that no public money should ever have been | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
put into it. Let me start bx explaining why the government | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
decided to support this iconic and novel project in the first place. | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
The previous Merrill London was approached some years ago whth an | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
idea for a completely new txpe of bridge. The footbridge that was also | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
a park. A place where peopld could cross the river as part of their | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
journey or could stop and enjoy the surroundings and the wonderful views | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
of London and the river. Thd mayor and ministers at the time fdlt it | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
could be an innovative and hconic project for our city. But dhd not, | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
and still do not, consider ht a project that should be wholly funded | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
by the taxpayer. However, they did agree to help with some funding to | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
kick-start the project and stimulate by that sector funding. The | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequer therefore announced in the 2013 | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
Autumn Statement that the government would provide ?30 million to the | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
project as long as the mayor awarded a similar amount and there was a | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
satisfactory business case for it that showed this would deliver value | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
for money for the taxpayer. The Garden Bridge trust and can spot the | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
London produced their busindss case in 2014 and it was analysed in the | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
Department for Transport, in exactly the same way as it does for any | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
transport project. It showed that while it was a highly unusu`l | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
project and with a wide range of potential benefit to cost r`tios, | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
there was a reasonable chance that this would offer value for loney for | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
the taxpayer. We therefore `greed to release the ?30 million of funding | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
that had been pledged by thd Chancellor. Very importantlx we | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
attached a number of condithons to that funding. These included a cap | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
of around ?8 million on the the government money that could be spent | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
on reconstruction activities. This was designed simply to limit the | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
taxpayers of exposure in thd event the project did not proceed. There | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
was a requirement for TfL to draw up a detailed funding agreement with | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
the trust governing how the money would be used. Over time and in | :23:09. | :23:15. | |
requests from the trust, th`t cap on the exposure was increased hn stages | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
to ?13.5 million as circumstances change. It became clear that more | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
money was needed to get the project to the point at which construction | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
could start. The trust then asked the government this year to | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
underwrite the project potential cancellation costs. Let me be clear | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
here, this was not a request for additional funding but a repuest to | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
be able to use some of the ?30 million we had committed to pay the | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
project's cancellation costs, the cancellation costs, should ht be | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
necessary. Without such unddrwriting guarantee, the trust said the | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
project could not continue. After careful consideration, the | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
Department agreed in late M`y to provide a time-limited underwriting | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
guarantee. Once again, therd were various conditions attached in | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
guiding the requirement for the trust to provide more regul`r | :24:12. | :24:14. | |
reports to the Department on the status of the project and on the | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
steps they were taking to address the risks to it. Over the stmmer of | :24:18. | :24:24. | |
this year and as a result of further delays to the construction | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
timetable, the trust asked hf the underwriting guarantee could be | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
extended beyond the Septembdr 2 16 deadline. The Department agreed last | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
month that it could. But in such a way that the risks are more fairly | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
shared between the government and the bridge's private sector hackers. | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
The government will now unddrwrite ?9 million of cancellation costs | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
should they arise with the private sector required to underwrite any | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
additional cancellation costs above that level. The government continues | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
its support for the project and indeed wishes it well but h`s made | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
it clear to the trust that ht should not just be public money at risk if | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
the project should fail. Thd challenge for the trust now is to | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
focus efforts on getting prhvate sector backers to take some of the | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
risk. We have also reiteratdd that the government has no intention of | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
putting more than the ?30 mhllion originally pledged into this | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
project. The bridge must be predominantly funded by the private | :25:26. | :25:33. | |
sector. As things stand,... Which will come first, will the t`xpayer | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
pick up the cancellation cost or will the private sector picked up | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
the first tranche cancellathon costs? This would be a joint | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
undertaking is my understanding but I will check the detail of `ny | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
financial arrangements and report back to the gentleman. The bridge | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
must be predominantly funded by the private sector and as things stand, | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
at least two thirds of the funding will come from private donations. I | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
understand there are many concerns around this project and I would like | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
to talk about some of them. The honourable member for Vauxh`ll | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
articulated them very clearly and in detail. The Garden Bridge trust was | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
set up in 2014 to manage thd construction of the bridge. This | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
experienced group of trusteds has complete control over the | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
development and fundraising. The Department for Transport and | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
transport for London speak to the trust on a regular basis to talk | :26:36. | :26:43. | |
about ogress and concerns. ,- progress. A great deal of work has | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
already happened and the huge amount of progress has been made. The land | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
must be secured and permisshon to use the river obtained and `ll | :26:53. | :27:00. | |
necessary land planning sectred These are all complex tasks which | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
will take some time to achidve. There is still much work to be done | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
before construction can start. But most issues are expected to be | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
resolved soon. I thank him for giving way. The Minister max not be | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
aware of it but I was made `ware today that the considerable part of | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
the honourable lady member for Vauxhall's constituency on the | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
Southbank will have to be demolished. Which is a tree,lined | :27:33. | :27:40. | |
avenue, that will have to go. The question is, are we going to lose a | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
tree-lined avenue and is th`t going to be the equivalent of what we are | :27:47. | :27:54. | |
going to get on the Garden Bridge? I thank my honourable friend for his | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
intervention. And the honourable lady for Vauxhall said 29 trees | :27:58. | :28:05. | |
would be removed. I think the Garden Bridge trust would argue thdy would | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
be more than replaced by an increased number of trees that could | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
be planted. I am aware therd have been many concerns raised about the | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
bridge and how people would use it and when. Let me clarify sole | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
points. The bridge will principally be a footbridge. But will bd open to | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
all, although cyclists will be asked to dismount when they cross. This is | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
consistent with other foot paths in the area such as along the Southbank | :28:34. | :28:43. | |
to ensure the of pedestrians. The minister might be aware that the | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
Ramblers Association, who are not known to oppose anything th`t will | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
help people walk, have made it clear that they oppose this because one of | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
the conditions of going onto the bridge is that you can't go in a | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
group. You can't be led in ` group so they will not be able to take | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
their groups across the bridge. There are all of these diffdrent | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
things that have been put into it. It is not going to be a garden or a | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
bridge and it certainly can't be called the Garden Bridge. I was | :29:14. | :29:23. | |
aware of the Ramblers objections but the bridge is certainly planned to | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
be open to all and will include step free access and there will be no | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
charge to use it. I am award there has been a media report that there | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
would be bans on large groups but I understand that is not corrdct. They | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
would be encouraged to phond in advance to see what times would be | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
best for a large group to vhsit but there is no ban on large groups The | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
bridge would be closed at mhdnight, in line with local attractions and | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
transport facilities. This `gain is consistent with many other parks in | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
London. I recognise in some cases they closed earlier, at dusk. There | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
will also be some days or p`rts of days when the bridge is closed for a | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
time. These will be limited and to ensure that income can be gdnerated | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
to ensure the maintenance of the bridge is self funding. There will | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
be a maximum of 12 of these days across the year. There are concerns | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
about the land on the Southbank very clearly articulated thhs | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
evening. I certainly sympathise with the loss of trees in this area. But, | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
the Garden Bridge trust plan to plant over 270 trees on the bridge | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
itself with thousands of bulbs and other plants to create a tr`nquil | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
place which I hope would be used by residents in the area. I understand | :30:50. | :31:00. | |
the concerns that have been voiced over how the trust is being run She | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
made her point is very clearly. How public money is being spent and how | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
much transparency around thd project. But it is also fair to say | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
there have been several reports and investigations into this project. | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
The London assembly reviewed the procurement process, the National | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
Audit Office has reviewed the project. They are looking at how the | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
Chaston -- the trust has bedn run as a charity. The fact they have taken | :31:28. | :31:35. | |
place demonstrates the robust scrutiny that has been applhed to | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
this project to ensure it is being run properly and we get the best | :31:40. | :31:47. | |
value for money for the taxpayer. None of these scrutiny is would have | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
happened just because the N`tional Audit Office decided, they happened | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
because local people, counchllors and others campaigning have been so | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
concerned about what was happening. We asked the National Audit Office | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
to investigate and the GLA lembers, the investigations are still going | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
on. So it is not completed. The fact they are being investigated, I don't | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
think that is a sign that there are not huge problems and I think all | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
kinds of things will come ott when this has finished. I recognhse there | :32:19. | :32:25. | |
are many questions to answer. But the idea that this has been a | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
project which has not had scrutiny either at local council or London | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
assembly levels or national bodies is I think not quite fair. The | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
procurement process itself hs certainly being reviewed. I know | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
there were significant faults found with it. The honourable ladx | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
mentioned that the trust has not published its accounts. But they | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
have made lots of information public on its website about the | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
expenditure. I mentioned thd trust has a funding agreement with TfL | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
which is available online. Ht will be publishing its annual report | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
which takes into account thhs year -- later this year. | :33:10. | :33:23. | |
London's bridges over the ydars have had houses on them, people have | :33:24. | :33:31. | |
traded on them. They have not been just thoroughfares, they have been | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
marvellous examples of living and working and selling in the space | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
above the river. Could the government be a little bit lore | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
proactive and said this is going back to one of the great glories of | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
our city. Those floral archds from one bank to the other, a marvellous | :33:48. | :33:55. | |
vision. Articulate it more strongly, Minister, please! I will always | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
struggle to match the oratorical style of the honourable member. I | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
agree that when you see magnificent bridges around the world and | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
including in London, they are inspiring sides. I recognisd | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
entirely his wise words abott the views from London Bridges as they | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
stand. As you look up and down the river it is positively marvdllous. | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
Whether they are the best vhews in the world is open to question. Some | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
of those best views could bd in the Harrogate area. We all have our | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
favourite views. We have had interventions with people | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
championing particular transport investments in their areas. Everyone | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
has projects they wish to sde progress locally, but I hopd nobody | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
could doubt the government's commitment to investment in | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
transport. It is very hard to play off one scheme against another for | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
comparison purposes and comparing different modes of transport in | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
different regions, but the bottom line is members are always right to | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
speak up for the areas and lembers are always right to speak up for | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
hedgehogs, although my honotrable friend for Plymouth is not here any | :35:10. | :35:17. | |
more. Yes. I'm grateful to Linister, but my point was the scheme in Hull, | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
electrify the train line, w`s private sector money. It wasn't good | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
to cost the Treasury or the Department for transport. The money | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
was there from the private sector and yet we have waited two xears for | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
a decision. I understood thd points, but some projects are very complex. | :35:39. | :35:46. | |
They have a mixture of priv`te and public and it takes a long time to | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
get them out the development phase into the construction phase. It s a | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
comment on projects overall and not any individual project. Let me | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
conclude, whilst I recognisd and understand the concerns raised by | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
honourable member, raised bx other members in the house today, and I | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
think the Garden Bridge at Shinnie is a unique and exciting project. | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
The member for Ealing has asked me to be more euphoric in langtage | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
well I think it certainly is an opportunity to showcase the | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
ambition, creativity and talent which exists in this countrx. We see | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
it in so many examples and transport is one way where we certainly need | :36:32. | :36:41. | |
in the world. I think... Yes, you can. He has said very littld about | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
some of the very important criticisms I made about the | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
procurement process of, abott the way the scrutiny from City Hall was | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
done by a company that was hnvolved in the Garden Bridge. Does he have | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
no concerns, and I appreciate it is in the secrecy of this chamber, | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
about some of the aspects of this whole project? Would he tell the | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
house if by any chance this, hopefully this bridge project fails, | :37:10. | :37:17. | |
will these blues any sleep over that -- will he lose any sleep over that? | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
I see this as a project that could enhance this wonderful capital city. | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
It busy has to be done corrdctly. The process up to now is not one I | :37:28. | :37:37. | |
have been involved in. Would I lose sleep over it? Well, it could be a | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
lost opportunity if we don't enhance what is already a wonderful part of | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
our wonderful capital. I can see many examples around our cotntry | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
where people are a little c`utious, perhaps a little sceptical `bout | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
projects, but sometimes when they come to fruition or they stop the | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
build, people realise just what they can be and this could well be one of | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
those cases. I would hope that we would have a project to show that | :38:11. | :38:19. | |
London is a thriving, creathve, bustling, ambitious city with all | :38:20. | :38:22. | |
the talent in the world and it will show that London is opened the | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
business and the government wishes it every success. The questhon is | :38:27. | :38:36. | |
that this house do now adjotrned. The ayes have it. | :38:37. | :38:50. |