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in view of the high levels of personal debt? We are looking very | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
closely at, we will see some progress in the vein of future. | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
Statement, the Secretary of State for Health man. -- the Secretary of | :00:10. | :00:19. | |
State for Northern Ireland. Secretary James Brokenshire. Thank | :00:20. | :00:26. | |
you, Mr Speaker. With permission, I should like to make a statement | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
regarding forthcoming elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly. As | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
the House is aware, Martin McGuinness resigned as dippy Defence | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
Minister of Northern Ireland on Monday. As a result of which, the | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
First Minister also ceased to hold office. -- Deputy First Minister. | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
This began a seven-day period in which to fill both positions, | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
otherwise it would fall to me to fulfil my statutory obligations as | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
Secretary of State to call a fresh election to the Northern Ireland | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
Assembly. Over the past week, I having gauged intensively with | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
Northern Ireland's political parties to establish whether any basis | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
existed to resolve the tensions within the executive without | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
triggering an election. I've remained in close contact with the | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
Irish foreign minister, Charlie Flanagan. In addition, my right | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
honourable friend the Prime Minister has been kept fully informed and has | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
had conversations with the former first and deputy first ministers and | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
the Taoiseach Enda Kenny. Regrettably and despite all of our | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
collective efforts, it has not proved possible to find an agreed | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
way forward in the time available. In the Northern Ireland as the | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
yesterday, the Democratic Unionist Party nominated Arlene Foster as | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
First Minister whilst Sinn Fein declined to nominate anybody to the | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
post of Deputy First Minister. While I have some discretion in law over | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
the setting of a date for an election, given the circumstances in | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
which we find ourselves in Northern Ireland, I can see no case for | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
delay. As a result, once the final deadline has passed -- had passed at | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
5p and yesterday, I proposed Thursday the 2nd of March as the | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
date of the Assembly election. The Assembly itself will be dissolved | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
from the 26th of January, meaning the last sitting day will be the | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
25th of January, allowing time to conduct any urgent remaining | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
business before the election campaign begins in earnest. I am now | :02:36. | :02:42. | |
taking forward the process of submitting an order in council for | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
approval by Her Majesty the Queen on the advice of the Privy Council, | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
formally setting in law both the dates of the dissolution and the | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
election. In setting the stakes, I have consulted the chief electoral | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
officer for Northern Ireland chosen he has given the assurance in | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
operational matters relating to the running of the election. -- in | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
setting these dates. The decisions that I've taken have also been | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
informed by my ongoing discussion with Northern Ireland's political | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
leadership. All right honourable and honourable members in this House | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
will understand that elections by their nature are hotly contested. | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
This is part of the essence of our democracy. And nobody expects the | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
debates around the key issues in Northern Ireland to be anything less | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
than robust. I would, however, like to stress the following. This | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
election is about the future of Northern Ireland and its political | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
institutions are not just the Assembly, but all of the | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
arrangements that have been put in place to reflect relationships | :03:49. | :03:49. | |
through these islands. That is why it will be vital for the | :03:50. | :03:58. | |
campaign to be conducted respectfully and in ways which do | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
not simply exacerbate tensions and division. Once the campaign is over, | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
we need to be in a position to re-establish strong and stable | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
devolved government in Northern Ireland. And let me be very clear, I | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
am not contemplating any outcome other than the re-establishment of | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
strong and stable devolved government. For all the reasons I | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
set out in my statement last week, devolution remains this government's | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
strongly preferred option for Northern Ireland. It is about | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
delivering a better future for the people of Northern Ireland, and | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
meeting their expectations. For our part, the UK Government will | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
continue to stand by our commitments under the Belfast agreement and its | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
successors. We will do all that we can to safeguard political | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
stability. Over the past decade, Northern Ireland has enjoyed the | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
longest run of unbroken devolved government since before the demise | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
of the old Stormont parliament in 1972. It has not always been easy, | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
with more than a few bumps in the road. But with strong leadership, | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
issues that might once have brought the institutions down have been | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
resolved through dialogue. And Northern Ireland has been able to | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
present itself to the world in a way that would have been unrecognisable | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
a few years ago. A modern, dynamic and outward looking Northern | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
Ireland, that is a great place to live, work, invest and to do | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
business. Mr Speaker, Northern Ireland has come so far. We cannot | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
allow the games that have been made to be derailed. -- the gains. So, | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
yes, we have an election but once it is over, we need to be in a position | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
to continue building in Northern Ireland that works for everyone. | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
That is the responsibility on all of us and we all need to rise to the | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
challenge. And in that spirit, Mr Speaker, I commend this statement to | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
the house. Mr David Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Can I | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
thank the Secretary for his statement? Like most of us, I am | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
saddened we are here today. I know many good people in Northern Ireland | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
will feel exactly the same, the deep regret we have reached this impasse. | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
I've personally been involved for almost three Deco Baku -- decade in | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
Northern Ireland related issues and I have learned one thing, a | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
political vacuum should be avoided at all gods. I say to the Secretary | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
of State today, you must make sure that you are not only willing to | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
fill the vacuum but you must work with all parties to try and seek a | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
way forward so we avoid the nightmare scenario of six weeks of | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
increasingly bitter campaigning, which leave us in the same place as | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
when it started, with no solution in place to heal a huge divide and to | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
bring together those elected representatives of all the people of | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
Northern Ireland. I realise that the tension of an election dominates | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
people's minds and the news agenda may well be focused on other issues. | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
But Mr Speaker, I would suggest for the sake of all of us on these | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
islands, we highlight the critical importance of maintaining devolved | :07:17. | :07:17. | |
and functioning government in Northern Ireland. I want to see | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
young men and women from Blaydon continue to go to Belfast with | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
rucksacks on the backs, not back to the days when they went there with | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
rifles on their shoulders. Anyone who thinks this is some form of | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
local difficulty in Northern Ireland should think again. I want to see | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
the continuing peace and prosperity in Northern Ireland that is helping | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
to grow the economy and the life chances of all who live there. I | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
want the world to look at Northern Ireland and rightly applaud the | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
success we have witnessed over the past decades and hope none of us | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
want to see a divided Northern Ireland that turns itself, as we | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
have seen so often and so sadly in the past. There are huge issues | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
facing the people of Northern Ireland. Our exit from the European | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
Union and the real change it will bring to everybody's everyday lives. | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
The uncertain position from the government on the UK's land border | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
with Europe, how we keep improving economic performance, and | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
critically, how we deal with Northern Ireland's unique and | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
painful past. And without a stable, workable government, all these | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
issues will be much harder to progress. Last week, the Secretary | :08:32. | :08:38. | |
of State and the Prime Minister showed both myself and it out there | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
will be scope for the Northern Ireland first -- voice to be heard | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
in the run-up to negotiations on the EU, by the joint ministerial | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
Council. If that is the case, then secretary of state, I say to you | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
today, there's no reason for you not to engage with the parties and | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
communities and begin to resolve the issues that have led to the | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
breakdown, over the next six weeks, over the next eight weeks, and not | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
let the election be an excuse for not getting people together. And | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
let's Biglia, what is happening in Northern Ireland is just about who | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
is or isn't First Minister or Deputy First Minister or the debacle that | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
is the RHI scheme. There are real underlying issues. How we support | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
the victims of the troubles. The women's rights and the equality for | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
the LGBT communities. The treatment of ethnic minorities and migrant | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
groups, and above all, how we deal with Northern Ireland's past and the | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
crucial issue of trust and mutual respect. The Secretary of State has | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
to face the fact that he has the responsibility to ensure the | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
government deals with all parties in Northern Ireland on an equal basis | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
because that clearly is a matter of huge concern to the parties in | :09:52. | :10:00. | |
Northern Ireland. I wanted you credit to the Secretary of State, | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
for the common measure Tony is adopted by Robert at the same time, | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
I won't deny myself the optimism that those love Northern Ireland | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
still feel, and to that end, I will this house that we will do | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
everything we can develop but all parties need to look at what they | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
can do to prevent present impasse degenerating into total collapse let | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
me be very clear, we need to avoided if at all possible return to direct | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
rule. We need Northern Ireland politicians to stand up and be | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
counted, recognise their responsibility and accept that the | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
vehicle for addressing the needs and concerns of their communities if the | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
assembly and its executive. The need for continuing with the assembly | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
should be the number one priority for them and all of us in | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
Westminster. And the imposition of direct rule will serve no one. In | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
the weeks to come, no one's personal or political position, posturing | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
differences should get in the way it operates return to government and | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
work in Northern Ireland. Secretary of State. Thank you Mr Speaker and | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
can I welcome the right honourable gentleman's comment added emphasis | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
on seeing that we return to shared government within Northern Ireland | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
at the earliest possible opportunity. I welcome it support | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
and his comets in underlining the focus that we must all have, and the | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
shared responsibility that I think we all keenly feel in seeking to | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
achieve that outcome. And indeed, how we use the time ahead as best | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
and effectively as possible. He is aware that there is a relatively | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
short period of time following an election, around three weeks, in | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
order to form an executive. And we do need to use all of the time, up | :11:45. | :11:53. | |
to polling day and beyond, to see that we bring people together and we | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
retain the set of dialogue, as difficult and challenging as that | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
may be during an election period but it is important that we continue to | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
do so. It is that sense of political stability that obviously is the | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
primary responsibility of government and we recognise that very firmly. | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
Indeed, I have had discussions with all parties over the period since my | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
last statement and have been very focused on engaging widely, seeking | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
to encourage and promote a way forward, and that is absolutely what | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
I will continue to do in the time ahead. I don't think anybody should | :12:30. | :12:31. | |
prejudge the outcome of this election. And therefore, I think it | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
is right that we are absolutely focused on seeking to get the right | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
outcome, which is absolutely the continuation of devolved government | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
in Northern Ireland. That is what I think is in the absolute best | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
interests of the people of Northern Ireland, that allows things to move | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
forward. And I think as the honourable gentleman said, we must | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
all work collectively to that end and approach this in a positive way, | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
as to what we can achieve. Mr Laurence Robertson. Thank you, Mr | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
Speaker. Returning from Londonderry this morning, following meetings | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
yesterday, I detected and witnessed a great sense of frustration about | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
what is happening, and a great sense of disappointment that the assembly, | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
yet again, was under threat and indeed, this time, has fallen. Does | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
the Secretary of State therefore agree with me and indeed, the | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
proposal made by the shadow Secretary of State, that the coming | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
weeks should perhaps be used to explore all possibilities? Because | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
none of us want to see a return to direct rule but the worry is that we | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
are holding elections, as the secretary of state is indeed | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
required to do, and the possibility, the strong possibility must be that | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
those elections deliver the parties back to storm in roughly the same | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
numbers as they are now. So what is indeed the likelihood of making | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
progress under the present arrangement? -- back to Stormont. | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
Surely we should use the coming weeks to put in place a plan B, | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
where we can continue with some kind of devolved government and not bring | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
powers back to this house because direct rule is not a satisfactory | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
way of running Northern Ireland. I'm grateful to my honourable friend for | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
his comments and as he rightly identifies, the key issue is the | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
maintenance of devolved government in Northern Ireland. He is also | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
right, I think, to see how we ensure that we use the time available to | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
us, that communication lines, the dialogue remains open during the | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
election period. However difficult that may appear. But equally knowing | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
that the issues that have been highlighted, in terms of trust and | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
confidence in the institutions, the ability for parties to be able to | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
work together in that shared government arrangement, will still | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
need to be resolved. And therefore, I think it is with that sense of how | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
we can use this time to bring people together, that must be at the | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
forefront of our minds. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I thank the Secretary of | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
State for advance notice of his statement and I support the call is | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
made yesterday for the election to be conducted in a manner which looks | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
to the future and anticipates difficult but reasonable | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
negotiations for the establishment of an effective administration after | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
the election. No one will get everything they want from this | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
election or from the formation of the new executive but the people | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
that politicians serve deserve our best and most faithful efforts. The | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
victory in this election should belong to the people, not political | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
parties. This election has been brought about by a set of | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
circumstances that have their genesis in Belfast and will also | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
have their solutions in Belfast. And we will be onlookers to a great | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
extent but there are some areas in which the efforts made here may | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
actually help. I'm pleased to hear that dialogue between the secretary | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
of state and the parties in Northern Ireland will continue throughout the | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
election period so the ground is prepared for the negotiations over | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
holding office in March. Can he tell us whether he will take those | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
opportunities to reassure the parties that funding will not be | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
cut, particularly from the support for addressing the legacy issues. | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
The assembly suffers from the austerity fetish as much as the rest | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
of the UK but it carries additional burdens, and it needs those extra | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
resources. The past couple of months in the assembly have been marked by | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
some serious allegations. What support will he be able to offer the | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
assembly to have those allegations properly investigated and | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
resolutions found? The uncertainty of this election, with the | :16:34. | :16:35. | |
peculiarities surrounding it, adds to the uncertainty of the Brexit | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
mess. What support can the government offered to people and | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
businesses in Northern Ireland to smooth the next few months? And | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
finally, can you clarify what special arrangements he is putting | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
in place to consult on the Brexit negotiations while the election is | :16:54. | :17:00. | |
ongoing? I'm grateful to the honourable lady for highlighting the | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
issue in relation to the nature of elections, and again, the issues | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
that I think we all recognise that are at stake here. I can assure her | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
that we will be doing our part to maintain communication channels, to | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
maintain that open dialogue, and to again continue to encourage the | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
parties to think carefully about the nature of the campaign ahead on how | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
best to be able to bring people back together afterwards, to get on with | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
devolved government in Northern Ireland. She asks a number of more | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
detailed questions, and in relation to the issue of legacy, she will | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
know that it remains this government's intend to give effect | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
to the Stormont House agreement and the funding commitments that were | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
made in respect of that remain very firmly in place. In respect of | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
support to investigation and the enquiry in relation to the | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
allegations that in many ways have provided the trigger or the catalyst | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
to the situation that we now find ourselves in, as she indicated, I | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
continue to believe that the best solution for this lies within | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
Northern Ireland. This is a devolved matter and therefore, in terms of | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
the way in which answers are to be provided, it still seems right that | :18:15. | :18:16. | |
it should come from that direction. But I remain open to work with | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
parties on a cross community basis to see what support can be given | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
because ultimately, it is about getting answers to a number of these | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
issues, that matters so much. On the issue of the UK's departure from the | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
European Union, well, I think that as honourable and right honourable | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
members will have heard, the Prime Minister set out a very clear | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
position in respect of this government's approach and indeed, | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
emphasising those issues around the Common travel area, and indeed | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
strengthening the union as well. I know honourable and right honourable | :18:50. | :18:51. | |
members will have plenty of opportunity to raise further | :18:52. | :18:52. | |
questions on that later today. Project may I make a fervent plea to | :18:53. | :19:04. | |
my right honourable friend, that he should protect the interests of | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
former British soldiers currently being charged by the Sinn | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
Fein-supporting Director of Public Prosecutions in Northern Ireland, | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
with respect to events which took place more than 40 years ago. It | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
appears that the Director of Public Prosecutions issued a notice to news | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
desks, not for publication. Is this not an attempt to muzzle | :19:26. | :19:47. | |
Parliament and indeed to question the right of this House to support | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
those soldiers who sought to bring about peace in Northern Ireland? In | :19:52. | :19:59. | |
my usual way, I have been, as I think the House would acknowledge, | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
extremely generous to the honourable gentleman. The honourable gentleman | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
has asked a most interesting question and has delivered it with | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
his usual eloquence, but it does suffer from one disadvantage, and | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
that is that it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
statement the Secretary of State is made. Nevertheless I have indulged | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
the honourable gentleman, and he can thank me on a daily basis. Secretary | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
of State... Mr Speaker, my honourable friend raises the | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
important issue in relation to legacy. As I indicated to this House | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
last week, I will never tyre of my praise for the work of our armed | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
forces personnel in actually securing the peace, securing the | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
stability and securing the arrangements that we see in Northern | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
Ireland today. Yes, I do have some concerns about imbalance within the | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
system, and therefore why I believe it is right that we do move forward | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
with the Stormont agreement and the legacy bodies that are set up there. | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
I will not comment on any individual decisions, and indeed, justice is | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
devolved in Northern Ireland and also it has its own processes that | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
remain in place in an independent way. But I hear very clearly the | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
very general and firm point that my friend makes in relation to balance | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
within the overall system trick of it is something I'm very keen to | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
address. Mr Speaker, this party has worked tirelessly in recent years to | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
move Northern Ireland forward, to make devolution work and to create | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
conditions for stable government in Northern Ireland. So we are deeply | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
disappointed, frustrated and angered by the decision of Sinn Fein to walk | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
away from devolved government and cause this election. And what is | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
this election about? It is fairly clear, it is not about the RHI | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
issue, because had it been, then we could have got on with sorting it | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
out, and indeed this election will serve to disrupt and delays ordering | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
those issues out. What it's about is Sinn Fein sinking opportune | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
political advantage, seeking to overturn the result of the election | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
held just a few months ago, and seeking to gain a list of | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
concessions from the Government on legacy issues, such as rewriting the | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
past and putting more soldiers and police men in the dock, and other | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
issues, and other concessions from the DUP. Let us be clear, we will | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
work through this election and afterwards to create devolved | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
government that is stable in Northern Ireland. But let this House | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
know and the people of all Ireland know that just as we have not even | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
into Sinn Fein demands in the past, we will not bow down and give into | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
Fein 's unreasonable demands going forward, because that is what this | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
election is all about Mr Speaker, I Recognise That There Are Strongly | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
Held Views On All Sides, And we do enter into an election period when | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
I'm sure that these issues will be hotly and keenly contested. What I | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
do very much welcome from what the right honourable gentleman has said | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
is that willingness to engage, to work things through, and that desire | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
to get back into stable, shared, devolved devilment. And I think that | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
is the focus that we all have in our minds in looking to the future of | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
Northern Ireland and how we can get on with governing in the best | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
interests of all in Northern Ireland. Does the Secretary of State | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
agree with me that all encumbered, unhindered press is absolutely vital | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
to the future elections? And would he agree that any chilling effect or | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
threats could actually undermine the very democratic essence of these | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
elections? We must have a free press. Well, I think the issues | :23:43. | :23:54. | |
around the election will I'm sure be keenly and hotly contested. From all | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
of my experience in seeing the experiences in Northern Ireland, the | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
press is fair and free and open and it has wide debate contained within | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
it. And so I think those building blocks that we see as a government | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
on freedom of the press, and indeed the strength of our judiciary and | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
legal processes as well, and seeing that those pillars of our democracy | :24:17. | :24:25. | |
are upheld. In truth, Northern Ireland has lurched from one | :24:26. | :24:27. | |
political crisis to another in recent years. Is it not time that | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
the Government urgently reviews constitutional arrangements covering | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
power-sharing, looking at issues like the title of First Minister and | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
the pity First Minister but also a range of other issues? Is that not | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
how the Government could add value in terms of long-term stability, | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
reviewing those Costa to show arrangements? I think we need to be | :24:47. | :24:54. | |
very careful at the moment as to the approach that we take. We are now | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
embarking on an election which, as I have said, I do not want to prejudge | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
the outcome of the election were indeed discussions that take place | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
during this period and through and beyond the short window of time that | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
we have after the election period, either. We will do all that we can | :25:12. | :25:19. | |
as the UK Government, that primary responsibility that we hold in | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
providing political stability within Northern Ireland. Clearly, the | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
parties will need to discuss and have that open dialogue which I hope | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
brings people back together again, but I think at this stage, seeking | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
to try and widen the debate can I think we need to be very focused on | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
the task at hand in bringing people back together again. Yes, the UK | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
Government will play its part in supporting the Belfast agreement and | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
its successors and bringing that element of stability and getting | :25:46. | :25:47. | |
devolved government back in Northern Ireland, which is what we all want | :25:48. | :25:56. | |
to see. Can I congratulate my right honourable friend for his calm and | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
measured approach during these difficult circumstances? Does he | :26:01. | :26:07. | |
show my concern that if indeed the resignation of Mr McGinnis was | :26:08. | :26:09. | |
political and not over the environment in issue, that the | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
intent of Sinn Fein is to halt these elections and then not to reappoint | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
afterwards, which would put pressure on my right honourable friends to | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
resort to direct rule, and all the consequences of that. Does he share | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
my concern that this is a real possibility? I have said that I am | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
concerned that an election campaign which seeks to divide and seeks to | :26:34. | :26:40. | |
make it that much harder to bring people back together again | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
afterwards clearly is a risk and one which I am concerned about, and one | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
which I would again remind and encourage people to think about | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
these issues very, very carefully. It's clear that the issues at stake | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
here go much wider than simply the renewable heat scheme which perhaps | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
was the issue which customised this. But I think we need to be very | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
careful and appreciate quite what is at stake. -- which crystallised | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
this. It is very important for people to be able to work together, | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
to maintain communication and dialogue so that we do see the | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
return of shared government in Northern Ireland for all communities | :27:26. | :27:26. | |
at the earliest possible opportunity. The Secretary of State | :27:27. | :27:36. | |
has rightly touched upon the fact that trust and confidence has to be | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
rebuilt in the suggestions in Northern Ireland. One of the best | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
ways of doing that is transparency. Transparency around the renewable | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
heating scheme and also, with the greatest respect to the Secretary of | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
State transparency around political parties and their donations to | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
elliptical parties operating in Northern Ireland. Sinn Fein has | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
precipitated this election. The people in Northern Ireland are | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
entitled to know, who funds Sinn Fein? Who is funding this Pallo | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
Jordan Assembly election? And by the same token, who is sponsoring and | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
funding the other political parties in Northern Ireland? Please don't | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
tell me he will reflect upon it, what is the Secretary of State going | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
to do about it? The honourable lady has made the point about political | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
donations and transparency over a number of weeks and months. And I | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
have a huge amount of sympathy for the view that she rightly takes the | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
Government that's why I did write out to all of the party leaders a | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
very short time ago to ask them for their views, to come back to me by | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
the end of this month, to be able to move things forward. I think it is | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
right that we look at that reform and that we actually start to put in | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
place changes that give that rate transparency to politics in Northern | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
Ireland. That's why I look forward to receiving those responses so that | :29:04. | :29:12. | |
we can move forward. Can I commend my right honourable friend's calm | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
and measured approach? Could he update the House on what he's going | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
to do to facilitate the voice of Northern Ireland, from politicians, | :29:23. | :29:24. | |
into the run-up to triggering Article 50? Obviously, the Assembly | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
will be the move very quickly, there is an election can do very short | :29:31. | :29:33. | |
period of time before we will trigger Article 50, and we want to | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
make sure that the voice of Northern Ireland is heard in our approach to | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
our future. I think it's important to recognise that while an election | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
has been called, that ministers other than the first and Deputy | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
First Minister remain in place within the executive, and that | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
therefore we will continue to issue invitations to the executive, to | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
send representation to each of the meetings that will continue through | :30:00. | :30:01. | |
the joint ministerial committee or through other means, and therefore, | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
it is that approach that will be taken as we look towards the | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
triggering of Article 50. But obviously, I will continue to have | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
my broad engagements across community, with business, with the | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
voluntary and community sector and more broadly, to ensure that we | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
continue to listen to and reflect upon the views of people in Northern | :30:24. | :30:25. | |
Ireland, as we look to the negotiations ahead. Could the | :30:26. | :30:36. | |
Secretary of State share with us something more of his thoughts on | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
what he expects to happen after an election in Northern Ireland? Does | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
he accept that the problems will remain, and without him calling a | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
public enquiries into renewable heat, or if he cannot find a way to | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
do that, making it clear that he fully supports a public inquiry? | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
Because without a public inquiry, public confidence in our political | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
settlement will sink even lower and make restoration of the executive | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
even more difficult. That's what people are telling me on the streets | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
over the last few days and the last week, that they basically need to | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
see clarity. That we are having an election here in a fog. It is quite | :31:16. | :31:23. | |
clear that the issues surrounding the renewable heat incentive scheme | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
are very much at the heart of what has led to the election that I have | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
now called. I think it is right that we do get answered around this. I | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
think it is absolutely critical in terms of re-establishing trust and | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
confidence and accountability, giving answers to the public in | :31:40. | :31:41. | |
relation to what has taken place here. As I've indicated, I think | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
that it is right for that, as much as it possibly can do, to come from | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
Northern Ireland itself. This was a devolved issue, this was something | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
that relates to decisions within Northern Ireland. But I stand ready | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
to work with and consider options on a cross community basis which will | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
command support across the community. It is actually how we get | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
those answers and see that we are injecting those back into the whole | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
process. I'm sure the Secretary of State and others in the House may | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
reflect on the irony that this election has been caused by the | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
resignation of a man who spent a lot of his life trying to use violence | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
to overcome the democratic will of the people of Northern Ireland to be | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
part of this United Kingdom. But will he also agree with me that it | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
is vital that work is done to ensure that in dealing with the past, those | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
who have put their lives on the line to defend this democracy, are not | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
unduly hounded by these legal processes? I think it is absolutely | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
right that we have a system that is fair just, balanced and | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
proportionate. I've been very clear on that on a number of occasions. | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
That's why I strongly believe that the framework of Stormont house, the | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
legacy institutions which are contemplated within that, divider | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
framework and way forward to achieve that. Because I am concerned that | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
there is an imbalance in the system with a focus on state -based actors. | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
And actually getting answers for those who lost loved ones as a | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
consequence of terrorist atrocities is really, really essential. That's | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
why I want to see this moving forward, and why we strongly believe | :33:21. | :33:27. | |
that change is required. We all wish everyone well in Northern Ireland in | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
trying to resolve these current difficulties. Can I pass the | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
Secretary of State on what he's doing with respect to the Irish | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
government, working in partnership with the Irish government? The | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
British and Irish governments are co-and tours of the Good Friday | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
Agreement. So what plans has he got to work with the Irish government, | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
is he planning a summit, is he panning talks, what concrete | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
measures is the Secretary of State planning to take with the Irish | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
government, to help resolve these difficulties together? As I've | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
indicated to the House, I've had regular, ongoing communication with | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
Charlie Flanagan, the Irish foreign minister, and indeed the | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
conversations that the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach have had | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
together. I certainly do intend to meet Charlie Flanagan in the very | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
near future. So that we can assess the current situation, and determine | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
how we as two governments can seek to encourage, promote and see that | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
we are bringing people together in this way, such that, as I've said, | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
we see the maintenance and continuation of devolved government | :34:39. | :34:39. | |
in Northern Ireland. What alternative to direct rule | :34:40. | :34:46. | |
would be available in these elections do not see an immediate | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
power-sharing government? Mr Speaker, I indicated that it is, I | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
think it would be premature and wrong to contemplate something other | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
than devolved government in Northern Ireland. I think that is where we | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
have to have all of our focus in the weeks ahead. That encouragement to | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
the parties, the dialogue, the communication that I think is | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
absolutely necessary. And while I know that others will say what is | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
this, what if that, what if we don't get to a position where we have | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
that, well, I'm not contemplating that. I'm contemplating how we use | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
the time available to us, to maintain devolved government, to get | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
people back into that power-sharing arrangement, and getting on, | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
frankly, with what people in Northern Ireland want which is a | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
settled situation, taking Northern Ireland forward and seeing that | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
positive, optimistic Northern Ireland I know if parent has so much | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
more to give. Thank you Mr Speaker. Central to those political | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
institutions has been the principle of power-sharing. So what efforts | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
will be Secretary of State and the British government, working with the | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
Irish government do to ensure that those principles of power-sharing on | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
a mutual understanding, respect for political difference, which have | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
been withered away over the last number of months, will be strictly | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
adhered to following these elections and what work with the Irish | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
government will actually take place within the next number of weeks to | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
do just that? Well, I've already indicated to the house the dialogue | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
and discussion we have had with the Irish government. And the work that | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
we will continue and the discussions that we will continue to have. But I | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
would stress as I said in my statement that this government | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
remains committed to the Belfast agreement and its successors. All of | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
what that means. Therefore, we will play our part to support the | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
parties, to support discussion and dialogue, to see that we move to | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
that stable, devolved government position that I think underpins so | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
much of the work, so much of the positive work we see in Northern | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
Ireland. And returning to that period of stability which is what | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
everybody would wish to see. Foreign direct investment into Northern | :37:07. | :37:08. | |
Ireland has been a great success in recent years. Will my right | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
honourable friend reassure me that he had his office will do all they | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
can to maintain a positive momentum during this period of political | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
instability? Absolutely, I can give that assurance to my honourable | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
friend because Northern Ireland has seen so much success in terms of | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
foreign direct investment. I think the region with the greatest foreign | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
direct investment outside of the City of London. I think that | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
underlines the huge potential I see, the huge ability for Northern | :37:38. | :37:39. | |
Ireland to continue to flourish and do so much more and absolutely yes, | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
we will continue to underline that message. Jeffrey Donaldson. I echo | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
the comments made by the honourable member for South Belfast. He and I | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
and many others in this house have worked hard to bring the peace | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
process to where it is today and we have taken risks and I despair of | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
where we are just now. But can I say to the Secretary of State that if he | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
is going to sit on his hands in the next six weeks and do nothing about | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
the current crisis, then he can forget three weeks after an election | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
to get devolution up and running. I support the suggestion made by the | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
honourable member for South Belfast for which there is cross community | :38:16. | :38:17. | |
support, that this government get on with holding a public enquiry into | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
the RHI scheme that Sinn Fein have blocked. -- public inquiry. I can | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
say to the honourable gentleman that this government will continue to do | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
all it can to support the parties to find a resolution and the way | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
through. As I have already indicated in answers the previous questions, I | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
remain open to consider issues that command cross community support in | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
order to find answers to be able to get to the root of issues in respect | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
of the RHI enquiry and therefore, I will continue to hear those points | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
that are made on that costume unity basis because ultimately, whatever | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
is done must command confidence and support in Northern Ireland in order | :38:59. | :39:06. | |
for this to be successful. Alison McGovern. The connection between the | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
people of Merseyside and the people of Northern Ireland are many and | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
they run deep. Can I press the Secretary of State on what he's | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
doing, given the current political situation, the effect on Stormont's | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
budget, to absolutely make sure the people of Northern Ireland lose out? | :39:23. | :39:30. | |
The obvious way for the people of Northern Ireland not to lose out is | :39:31. | :39:32. | |
to see the re-establishment of devolved government at the earliest | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
popular -- possible opportunities work can continue, but it can get | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
set and programmes can be put in place to take Northern Ireland | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
further forward. That is why I make the point in those clear terms, in | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
the focus and attention and effort that give in working with the | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
parties to encourage dialogue, discussion, to bring people together | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
because that is the most powerful and effective way to give effect to | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
what the honourable lady was saying. Alistair Carmichael. Mr Speaker, we | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
can have as many elections as we choose to hold but we will only get | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
the strong and stable devolved government that the secretary of | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
state says he wants when we have trust between the parties and | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
transparency in the workings of the executive and in order to get that | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
now, we need an independent examination of the conduct of the | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
RHI will stop the secretary of state as the locus under the 2005 act to | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
order that enquiry. It is surely apparent that nobody else is going | :40:29. | :40:35. | |
to do it. He must. Well, I agree with the right honourable gentleman | :40:36. | :40:37. | |
in terms of that sense of trust which has clearly broken down in | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
Northern Ireland, hence the situation that we now find ourselves | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
in. I hear the point that he makes clearly in relation to the need to | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
get answers, the need for that transparency, the need for an | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
inquiry and as I previously indicated, I strongly believe the | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
best way to achieve that is by Northern Ireland being able to do | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
that itself because that is where the issues arose, that is where | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
devolution holds fire. But as I have already indicated to other parties, | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
I will listen to and reflect upon suggestions, proposals that come | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
forward on a costume unity basis because ultimately, it is that cross | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
community bases -- cross community basis, it is that cross community | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
basis which command confidence and respect and ensure that any | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
investigations and inquiries are balanced and ensure they get to the | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
answer is that people want and that accountability is shown. Mr Speaker, | :41:31. | :41:37. | |
the Secretary of State... As he charts the course set by the Good | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
Friday and St Andrews agreement in re-establishing the devolved | :41:42. | :41:43. | |
institutions but the Prime Minister's commitment to data hard | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
Brexit will cause widespread concern in Northern Ireland. Can I ask him | :41:48. | :41:50. | |
to outline how he will work in full partnership with the Irish | :41:51. | :41:53. | |
government on this matter while the assembly and executive is not | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
functioning? I welcome the honourable gentleman's support for | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
our work to ensure the return of stable devolved government, although | :42:05. | :42:07. | |
I don't recognise his characterisation of what the Prime | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
Minister has said. I think she has set out a bold, positive vision of | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
what this country can be and what this country will be outside the | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
European Union but yes, of course there is a negotiation to come. Of | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
course we have had initial dialogue and discussion with the Irish | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
government on how we get the best possible outcome for Northern | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
Ireland and how that has been reflected in what the Prime Minister | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
has said today, around the Common travel area and strengthening the | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
union. That is precisely the approach we will take. Jim Shannon. | :42:36. | :42:45. | |
Would be secretary of state care to outline exactly what people are | :42:46. | :42:47. | |
voting for if Sinn Fein refused to work with the DUP or set a possible | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
criteria or ask for possible concessions? How is the Secretary of | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
State ensuring that Sinn Fein are not calling the shots, excuse the | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
pun, on the elected government of Northern Ireland, and the electorate | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
know their vote will not be ignored by the pithy fascinations of a party | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
who simply want their own weight and do not like being challenged by a | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
strong DUP team? Ultimately, this election is about the future of | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
Northern Ireland, its future direction. In a democracy, I'm quite | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
sure that these issues will be debated to and fro in the coming | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
weeks. That is absolutely the whole point of the political and | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
democratic system that we operate. How much is at stake here. As I said | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
yesterday, how much I would encourage people to take part and | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
vote at that election. Karen Smith. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The people of | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
Northern Ireland are magnificent people and they have got used to | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
living with a sense of peace over the last 18 years and they need hope | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
now going forward. I have just listened to the Prime Minister's | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
speak and she talked about making practical arrangements about the | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
border, about making it a priority. Those are warm words in this context | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
today. She has managed a phone call. She should be here. She should have | :44:05. | :44:13. | |
been there. I've listened to the Secretary of State talk about his | :44:14. | :44:15. | |
phone call and his activity over the last week and with due respect, I | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
think it is wholly inadequate. The elections are about the future of | :44:19. | :44:20. | |
Northern Ireland but they are actually about all our futures, on | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
the island of Ireland and the island in which we live. What meetings will | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
he be having with the Irish government with the Taoiseach? What | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
will those conversations involving the next few weeks? What hope can he | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
offer today to the people of Northern Ireland? As I have | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
indicated, it is this government's clear intent and focus on seeing the | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
return of devolved government in Northern Ireland. That is what I | :44:48. | :44:50. | |
think is absolutely in the best interests of Northern Ireland. That | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
is why I will be continuing to do all that I can to bring the | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
political parties together because ultimately, that has been a part of | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
the issues at stake here, in terms of some of that political division. | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
But yes, of course, as I have indicated to the house today, we | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
have had continued dialogue and discussion with the Irish government | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
as well. We will continue to keep them closely informed. And as I have | :45:16. | :45:22. | |
indicated to my right honourable friend, I intend to meet the Irish | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
Foreign Minister very shortly to discuss the current position, how we | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
can work together and ultimately, get the re-establishment of the form | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
of government, that sense of the politics moving forward, and yes, | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
how we should I think be positive about what we can achieve here. I'm | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
certainly not going into this in a negative way. It is about how we can | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
get on with this and make it happen. Sammy Wilson. The secretary of state | :45:46. | :45:53. | |
has said today that he is committed to any action having cross community | :45:54. | :46:00. | |
support in Northern Ireland. Since this crisis has been brought about | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
by Sinn Fein's demand to have more security force personnel placed in | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
the dock, taken to court and to have politically motivated inquests into | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
deaths caused by the security forces, will he give a commitment | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
today that there will be no money for inquests which are politically | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
motivated, no releasing of security force files which have security -- | :46:27. | :46:33. | |
national security implications and that he will not persuade Sinn Fein | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
to re-enter government at the expense of soldiers being dragged | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
through the courts? On the issue of legacy, I think Stormont House, | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
which all the parties signed up to, provided the right framework and way | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
forward. I hold very keen responsibilities in relation to | :46:53. | :46:54. | |
national security and I feel those very starkly in terms of the here | :46:55. | :47:01. | |
and now of safety on the streets of Northern Ireland and what that means | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
more broadly. I think it is important that we are able to find a | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
way forward in relation to the whole issue of legacy. That it is more | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
balanced, more proportionate, is able to see Northern Ireland looking | :47:14. | :47:16. | |
to the future rather than looking to the past and I think it is that | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
framework that we must be focused upon to be able to move things | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
forward in that way. He will well know the issues that are set out | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
there, the bodies that are set out their, the weighing gateman has | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
taken place over many months. I believe there is a way forward in | :47:36. | :47:38. | |
that but it is having the framework and intent and having the balance | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
and proportionate approach that I continue to underline. Margaret | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
Greenwood. What assessment has been made of the effect of the political | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
instability on potential investment into Northern Ireland? I have | :47:55. | :47:57. | |
certainly had some discussions with some business representatives. It is | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
important that we get back into a stable devolved government at the | :48:05. | :48:06. | |
earliest opportunity. Again, that is the most powerful way to underline | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
Northern Ireland's moving forward and there is so much we can be | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
positive about, the jobs that have been created, the foreign direct | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
investment that has gone in and so many fantastic businesses in | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
Northern Ireland. That is what we should be celebrating and it is that | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
positive, optimistic viewpoint of what Northern Ireland's economies | :48:27. | :48:28. | |
that we should be advancing and taking forward. Mr Speaker, after | :48:29. | :48:35. | |
the assembly election in March agreement will need to be reached on | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
a new power-sharing executive. However, if this doesn't happen, | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
there is a very real possibility of returning to direct rule from | :48:46. | :48:47. | |
Westminster. Does the secretary think it is acceptable for the | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
people of Northern Ireland, who voted to remain in the European | :48:52. | :48:58. | |
Union, to witness the triggering of article 50 while they live in total | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
political limbo? It underlines my general point on the need to get | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
back to devolved government at the earliest opportunity. But as I have | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
indicated, we do intend to trigger Article 50 by no later than the end | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
of March that is the approach we have taken. That is the work that | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
continues and indeed, the way in which, as I have said, invitations | :49:20. | :49:22. | |
will continue to be made to appropriate meetings to the | :49:23. | :49:24. | |
executive, notwithstanding the current situation. | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
Further to the comments made by my colleague from East Antrim, there | :49:31. | :49:38. | |
are concerns within my constituency with the Government's eagerness to | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
set up an Assembly immediately after the elections, that they could | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
possibly contemplate some form of side deals with Republicans in order | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
to get it up and running. Can I gently warm the Secretary of State | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
that that will be an unacceptable situation to have? Well, I say to | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
the honourable gentleman that there is a limited period under law in | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
order to form a new executive. It is around three weeks following a poll. | :50:08. | :50:13. | |
That's why I make the point about maintaining open dialogue, thinking | :50:14. | :50:15. | |
about how we can bring parties together. It has to be that sense of | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
commanding support from across community, which is why we do need | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
to listen keenly and intently to the voices of his party and other | :50:25. | :50:27. | |
parties in respect of this process ahead. But I do stress to him that | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
need for dialogue and discussion and the need to focus on those | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
principles in the Belfast agreement and its successors, those things | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
that all parties have signed up to. I think that provides us with the | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
framework, and that's what we need to get on and do. As we face the | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
current phase of challenges, I think it is right that we should mourn the | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
passing of Dermot Gallagher, former bullion of the department of foreign | :50:58. | :50:59. | |
affairs and one of the linchpins for so much of this process come | :51:00. | :51:06. | |
bringing us from transfixed to transactions to transformations. We | :51:07. | :51:08. | |
need to emulate his purposeful ethic in the time ahead. Will the | :51:09. | :51:15. | |
Secretary of State recognised that after the elections, there will be | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
negotiations, and will he recognise that those negotiations will have to | :51:20. | :51:22. | |
be more inclusive, Morecambe free hands of a more fundamental than | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
what passed for negotiations in Stormont house? And the outcome will | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
have to be more robust and reliable than what we got with the fresh hour | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
agreement? I certainly pay tribute to Dermot Gallagher and obviously | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
send my condolences to all his friends, family, all of those who | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
remember him and the conjugation that he made. As I've indicated, I | :51:47. | :51:52. | |
don't want to prejudge the outcome of this election, nor indeed | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
discussions that take place. I earnestly want to see that through | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
this election period, however possible that can be achieved. And | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
equally in terms of discussions that take place there afterwards. But it | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
has to be a position which creates that stability and sense of shared | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
power arrangements, which allows Northern Ireland to move on from | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
where we currently sit. That has to absolutely be our focus and | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
intention and indeed why I make the points which I do about being | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
thoughtful and conscious of the nature of the campaign itself, such | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
that we are able to bring people back together afterwards. Mr | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
Speaker, can the Secretary of State confirm that post-election, the | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
framework of a devolved Assembly, of a shared executive, is the settled | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
framework for moving forward? And that joint authority with the | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
Republic of Ireland or wholesale renegotiation of the agreements that | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
are already in place to not form part of his plan for moving forward? | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
If he does not give expression to that certainty, further drift will | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
occur, and we've got to net this in the bud now. I can confirm that that | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
is absolutely my intent, that is absolutely the approach that I take | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
to this. It's about getting through the election, about seeing the | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
re-establishment of the executive, seeing the re-establishment of | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
devolved government in the way that we have seen. And therefore whilst I | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
hear order of the broader discussions and broader talk, | :53:23. | :53:29. | |
actually that has to be where we focus, how we re-establish that | :53:30. | :53:31. | |
trust and confidence in the institutions that we have, such that | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
Northern Ireland is able to move forward. The Ulster Unionist Party | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
want to see a strong and stable devolved government that works for | :53:41. | :53:48. | |
everyone. But this crisis is about trust, relating to the two main | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
parties in Northern Ireland. The Secretary of State has said that he | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
is committed to the Belfast agreement and its successors. And | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
yet this morning on the radio, we heard the DUP executive minister | :54:01. | :54:03. | |
saying he had no intention to increment the St Andrews agreement | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
in full. Surely this undermines all agreements, if you're not willing to | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
tie yourself to what you've agreed? With the minister looked at the | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
structures of the Belfast agreement and how we get back to the joint | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
election of the first and Deputy First Minister? I did not hear the | :54:21. | :54:23. | |
comments this morning when it's difficult for me to comment | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
directly. For as I've indicated, the UK Government stands by its | :54:29. | :54:35. | |
commitments under the Belfast agreement. I think it is how we are | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
able to use the time ahead to look at ways in which we can, which gaps | :54:39. | :54:45. | |
and in which we can see devolved power-sharing arrangements put in | :54:46. | :54:56. | |
place at the earliest opportunity. With the Secretary of State agree | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
with me that in the past months and years, the way in which problems | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
have been resolved is when all parties dedicated themselves to | :55:07. | :55:07. | |
working through those problems? Yesterday we had a Sinn Fein Deputy | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
First Minister refusing to be re-elected, and even after the | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
election, indicating that they will not nominate then. Walking away is | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
not the solution, working through the problem is most certainly is. I | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
think we can look to Northern Ireland's past, where division has | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
existed and some people have said that it's not possible to breach | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
that. And yet Northern Ireland has shown what can be done. And I think | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
we need to reflect on Northern Ireland's past, the political | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
achievements that have been reached and the strengths of dialogue, of | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
discussion, of bringing people together in that way as we look to | :55:45. | :55:52. | |
the future. I hope that we will see that return of devolved Vermont. | :55:53. | :55:58. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. -- devolved government. Belfast politicians | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
begin a leak quote the dogs on the street, but if they were to | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
summarise their position on this, it would be barking mad. This is not | :56:09. | :56:11. | |
the time, Secretary of State, for you to be a bystander in these | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
discussions. Or to fail to recognise what the Prime Minister last week | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
recognised, that no-one can or should benefit from their | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
instability, and for wrecking the progress of the political | :56:25. | :56:27. | |
institutions that we have fought so hard to attain for Northern Ireland. | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
I say to the honourable gentleman that I do not and will not be a | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
bystander in relation to these issues. It is important that the UK | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
Government plays its role in supporting the parties, in | :56:43. | :56:46. | |
fulfilling our obligations in relation to providing political | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
stability in Northern Ireland. That is what we will use the time ahead | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
to achieve. Because the issues at stake are significant. The issues in | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
relation to the political future of Northern Ireland are very, very | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
clear. That's why I make the points that I do about the collective | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
response River Tees that we all hold and all feel in being able to take | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
this forward and get back to that positive outlook for Northern | :57:15. | :57:16. | |
Ireland. -- collective responsibilities. Mr Speaker, the | :57:17. | :57:27. | |
Secretary of State stated that with strong leadership, issues which | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
might once have brought their own institutions could be resolved | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
through dialogue. Could he therefore assure the House that the Prime | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
Minister will give that strong leadership, and as the vice-chair of | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
the all-party group on Ireland, I echo the sentiment of my honourable | :57:43. | :57:47. | |
friend the member for St Helens come in calling the Prime Minister to put | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
foot to the pedal and get that 100% support. I can underline to the | :57:51. | :57:58. | |
honourable gentleman the commitment that the Prime Minister gets to | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
these issues. The way in which she has been kept very closely informed | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
and updated, the discussions that she has had with the former First | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
Minister and Deputy First Minister. And indeed, the discussion that she | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
had with the Taoiseach. We are committed as a government to seeing | :58:16. | :58:18. | |
the return of devolved government, to seeing a positive outcome after | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
these elections take place. That is what the people of Northern Ireland | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
want to see and what we all have that shared and collective drive to | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
achieve, and we all need to be focused on achieving. Point of order | :58:30. | :58:40. | |
which relates I gather to the immediate next business. Thank you, | :58:41. | :58:46. | |
Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, in our constitution, Parliament and sure | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
you will agree is supposed to be sovereign. We need a system which | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
gives Parliament hours over ministers and restores public trust. | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
Not my words but the use of the now Prime Minister in 2007. I will be | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
scrutinising a minister shortly on the applications of Brexit for Wales | :59:01. | :59:07. | |
- but you share my concern that one of the most fundamental issues | :59:08. | :59:10. | |
facing this country in a generation, the Prime Minister chose not to | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
speak to this this morning but to the media and foreign ambassadors? | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
Churchill would not have done it, a little bit would not have done it, | :59:18. | :59:23. | |
but when it comes to this House, Mr Speaker, this lady is not for | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
turning up! I am grateful to the honourable gentleman for his point | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
of order. I have not got all of the Presidents in front of me but I | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
think there has been a developing phenomenon in recent decades whereby | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
under successive governments, important statements have sometimes | :59:42. | :59:43. | |
been made outside the House, which would have welcomed being made first | :59:44. | :59:50. | |
inside the House. I am pragmatic in these matters, and what I would say | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
to the honourable gentleman and two others who might share his concern | :59:55. | :00:00. | |
is, I heard of the Prime Minister's important speech today, and my first | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
concern was that a senior member of the government should come to the | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
House on the same day to address us on the same matter. And I had | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
contact with the powers that be to make precisely that point. I am | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
pleased to say that we do have in our midst and indeed in my line of | :00:21. | :00:29. | |
vision the Secretary of State for Exiting The European Union, whom I | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
imagine the honourable gentleman will wish to interrogate in due | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
course. Meanwhile, let's hear from the Secretary of State. I will say | :00:37. | :00:44. | |
to the honourable gentleman who has just spoken that I have spent many | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
years sitting on those benches, hoping... We did not have the | :00:49. | :00:56. | |
opportunity at all to interrogate Mr Tony Blair after he had been on the | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
radio and television! But today is a Parliamentary day and I wish to | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
share with Parliament what I think are some important points. I would | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
like to the House on the Government's plans for exiting the | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
European Union. Today, the Prime Minister is setting up a plan for | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
Britain. It is a plan to ensure that we embrace this moment of change to | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
build a confident global trading nation that seizes the new | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
opportunities before it and a fairer, stronger society at home and | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
bracing bold economic and social reform. It is a plan which | :01:30. | :01:36. | |
recognises that the referendum vote was not one to pull up tall, which | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
is and retreat from the world, but rather a vote of confidence in the | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
UK's ability to succeed. It is a plan to build a strong new | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
partnership with our European partners while reaching beyond the | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
borders of Europe to forge deeper links with old allies and new ones. | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
Today, we set out 12 objectives in the negotiation to come. They answer | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
the questions of those who have been asking what we intend while not | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
undermining the UK's negotiating position. We are clear what we seek | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
is that new partnership, not a partial EU membership, not a model | :02:12. | :02:17. | |
adopted by other countries, not a position which means we're half in | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
and half-hour. Let me address of our aims in turn. First, we will provide | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
certainty wherever possible, while recognising we are about to enter a | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
two sided negotiation. We have already made announcements about | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
agriculture payments and student funding. Our proposal regarding EU | :02:36. | :02:42. | |
law and UK law is designed to make the process as smooth as possible. | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
At the point of exit, the same rules and laws will apply, and it will | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
then be for this Parliament to determine changes in the country's | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
interests. For we also intend to take control of our own laws and end | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
the authority of the European Court of Justice in the UK. Laws have been | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
made in this Parliament and in the devolved assemblies and interpreted | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
by our judges, not those in Luxembourg. -- laws will be made. We | :03:10. | :03:17. | |
will continue to engage with the devolved administrations and ensure | :03:18. | :03:19. | |
that as powers our return from Brussels to the UK, the right powers | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
come to Westminster and the right powers are passed to Edinburgh, | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
Cardiff and Belfast. Another key objective will be to maintain the | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
Common travel area between the UK and the Republic of Ireland. No-one | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
wants to see a return to the borders of the past. In terms of | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
immigration, we will remain an open, tolerant nation. We will continue to | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
welcome the brightest and the best and ensure that immigration continue | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
to bring benefits in terms of addressing skill shortages where | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
they exist. But we will manage our immigration system properly, which | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
means free movement from the European Union cannot continue as | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
before. We want to guarantee the rights of European Union citizens | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
who are already in this country and make such a great contribution to | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
our society already, and in tandem with that protect the rights of UK | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
citizens in EU countries. Would like to resolve this issue at | :04:17. | :04:25. | |
the early possible moment. -- earlier. Already UK law goes further | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
than EU minimums in many areas but as we shift the UK law, we will | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
ensure that workers' rights are not just protected but enhanced. In | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
terms of trade, we want to build a more open, outward looking, | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
confident nation that is a global champion for free trade. Membership | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
of the EU's internal market means accepting its four freedoms, in | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
terms of the movement of goods, services, capital and people, and | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
complying with the EU's rules and regulations. That would effectively | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
mean not leaving the European Union at all. So we do not propose to | :05:04. | :05:10. | |
maintain membership of the EU single market. Instead, we will seek the | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
broadest possible access to it through a comprehensive free trade | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
agreement with the EU. We want it to cover goods and services and be as | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
ambitious as possible. This is not a zero-sum game. It should be in the | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
interests of both the UK and the European Union. It is in all our | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
interests, that financial services continue to be provided freely | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
across borders, that integrated supply chains are not disrupted and | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
that trade continues in as barrier free away as is possible. While we | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
will seek the most open and possible market in the European Union, we | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
also want to further trade links with the rest of the world. So we | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
will deliver the freedom of the UK to strike trade agreements with | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
other countries. The Department for International trade has already | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
started to prepare the ground and it is clear there is enormous interest | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
around the globe in forging new links to the UK. Full membership of | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
the EU's Customs union would prohibit new international trade | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
deals so we do not intend to remain part of the common commercial policy | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
ought to be bound by the common external tariff. Instead, we will | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
seek a customs agreement with the European Union with the aim of | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
ensuring that cross-border trade remains as barrier free as possible. | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
Clearly, how this is achieved is a matter for negotiation. The UK is | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
one of the best places in the world for science and innovation, with | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
some of the best universities in the world. So we must continue to | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
collaborate with our European allies. When it comes to crime, | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
terrorism, security, we will aim to further cooperation with EU | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
countries. We will seek practical arrangements in these areas to | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
ensure we keep our continent secure and defend our shared values. | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
Finally in terms of our exit, we have said repeatedly that it would | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
be no one's interest for it to be disorderly, with any sort of cliff | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
edge, the word used over there, as we leave the European Union. So we | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
intend to reach broad agreement about the terms of our new | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
partnership with the EU by the end of the two-year negotiation | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
triggered by Article 50. But then we will aim to deliver an orderly | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
process of implementation. That does not mean an unlimited transitional | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
period where the destination is not clear but time for both the UK and | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
EU member states to prepare for new arrangements whether it is in terms | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
of customs arrangements, regulation of financial services, cooperation | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
over criminal justice and immigration controls. These are the | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
aims and objectives we set today for negotiations to come. So our | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
objectives are clear, to deliver certainty and clarity wherever we | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
can, to take control of our own laws, to protect and strengthen the | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
union, to maintain the Common travel area with the Republic of Ireland, | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
to control immigration, to protect the rights of EU nationals in the UK | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
and UK nationals in the EU, to protect workers' rights, to allow | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
free trade with European markets, to forge new trade deals with other | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
countries, to boost science and innovation, to protect and enhance | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
cooperation over crime, terrorism and security and to make our exit | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
smooth and orderly. It is the outline of an ambitious new | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
partnership between the UK and the countries of the European Union. We | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
are under no illusions, agreeing terms that work for both the UK and | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
the 27 nations of the European Union will be challenging and no doubt, | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
there will be bumps on the road once talks begin. We must embark on a | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
negotiation clear, however, that no deal is better than a bad deal. As | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
the Prime Minister made clear today, the UK could not accept a punitive | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
approach. So let me be clear, we do not expect this outcome. We are | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
confident that if we approach these talks in the spirit of goodwill, we | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
can deliver a positive deal which works to the mutual benefit of all. | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
It is absolutely in our interests that the EU succeeds and in the EU's | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
interest interests that we succeed, too. We do not want the European | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
Union to fail. We wanted to prosper politically and economically. We | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
will seek to convince our eyes that a strong new partnership with the UK | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
will help them to do so. -- our allies. Our approach is not about | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
cherry picking but reaching a deal which fits the aims of both sides. | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
We understand the EU wants to preserve its four freedoms and chart | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
its own course. That is not a project UK will now be apart of. And | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
so we will leave the single market and the institutions of the European | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
Union. We will make our own laws and decisions about immigration. And let | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
me be crystal clear today, if there was any doubt, the final deal agreed | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
between the UK and EU will be put to a vote in both Houses of Parliament | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
before it takes effect. To conclude, we are leaving the European Union | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
but we're leaving Europe. We will continue to be reliant on partners, | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
willing allies and close friends to European neighbours. -- we are not | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
leaving Europe. We anticipate success, not failure but we are | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
ready for any outcome. The UK will embrace its new place in the world | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
with optimism, strength and confidence. Thank you Mr Speaker. | :10:29. | :10:35. | |
Sur Keir Starmer. Thank you Mr Speaker, and can I thank the | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
secretary of state for giving me an advanced copy of this statement? Mr | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
Speaker, the Prime Minister's speech which she has just given is the most | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
important one she has made, it is about the future of our relationship | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
with the EU and our position in the world. The place for such a speech | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
is here. At this dispatch box. That is not just a convention. That is so | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
that MPs across this house can ask the Prime Minister directly on | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
behalf of their constituents about the plans she has for their future. | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
There are many questions. For many months, the Labour Party has been | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
demanding fullest possible access to the single market, emphasising the | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
risks of leaving the customs union, arguing for a collaborative | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
relationship with our EU partners, emphasising the need for | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
transitional arrangements, and the need for entrenchment of workers' | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
rights. Today, the Prime Minister has rightly accepted these in her | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
plan and I acknowledge that. She has given little detail about how that | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
is to be achieved and there are some unanswered questions and some big | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
gaps. It is, in truth, a half in, half out plan. She has not... Let me | :11:48. | :11:57. | |
give an example. The Prime Minister says that she doesn't want the | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. But she wants a | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
comprehensive trade agreement. Sooner or later, she and others will | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
have to face the fact that any such agreement will have a dispute | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
resolution clause and that will have to be independent of this country. | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
It will not be by reason and resolution in the High Court in | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
London, according to English law. So there will have to be, as she has | :12:26. | :12:34. | |
avoided fronting up to some of these essential questions. But if the | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
Prime Minister achieves all she has set out to achieve, she will fall | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
short of hard Brexit, that many in business and trade unions have | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
feared, the Brexit of no deal, their trade agreements, out of any customs | :12:50. | :12:56. | |
union and at arms length with our EU relations. -- their trade | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
agreements. It is good she has ruled out hard Brexit at this stage. But | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
as the Prime Minister knows, setting out ambitions is the easy bit. | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
Delivery is more difficult, much more difficult. The Prime Minister | :13:10. | :13:12. | |
has taken the precarious course of taking the UK out of single market | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
membership and changing the customs arrangements. This will cause | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
concern to businesses, as the secretary of state knows, and to | :13:22. | :13:23. | |
trade unions and the Prime Minister should have been more ambitious. But | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
I accept that form follows function. So let me set out in terms what | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
Labour will hold the Prime Minister to account for, as far as trade is | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
concerned. Tariff free access to the single market. Access to the single | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
market unencumbered by impediment, and I paused there, this is what was | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
in the exchange of letters with Nissan, it is what all businesses | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
want, and all trade unions want for those dealing in goods and services. | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
Alignment of regulatory bodies to avoid dual bureaucracy or worse, | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
diverted. And a deal that works for goods and services. That is the test | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
we set out today. It is the test we will return to throughout the | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
negotiations and it is the test to be applied when the deal is reached. | :14:12. | :14:18. | |
And that is why the concession on a vote at the end of the negotiations | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
is significant. We have been demanding that for months. It has | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
not been given before today. It is significant because it means that we | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
can ensure that those tests are met throughout the process and at the | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
end of the process. The sting in the tail in the plan this morning if the | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
threat to destroy the economic model which has been in place for many | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
decades if the ambition is not reached. This is a very serious | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
threat. That model, a shared model, about which there has been consensus | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
for decades across this house, is designed to share prosperity, | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
protect workers' rights, and improve living standards. There is no | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
mandate for reckless disregard of that model and of so much that this | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
country stands for. The Prime Minister described that model, | :15:10. | :15:16. | |
resorting to that model, as an act that would be one of self harm for | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
the EU. It would, Mr Speaker, be an act of huge self harm for the UK to | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
abandon the economic model that we have had in place for so many years. | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
It is also totally inconsistent, totally inconsistent with any | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
meaningful commitment to workers' rights and a fairer society. So that | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
sting in the tail, that threat undermines the ambition is a plan | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
that I recognise. Let me touch on wider issues. The UK and EU have | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
usually benefited from our collaborative work in the field of | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
criminal Justice, anti-terrorism, research, medicine, science, | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
technology, arts and culture and much else. We should be seeking to | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
preserve that collaboration, not destroy it. Yet the Prime Minister | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
said today, and I quote, "We do not seek to hold onto bits of membership | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
as we leave". Let me give some examples of the bits she should seek | :16:14. | :16:26. | |
to retain... Order. No, the honourable gentleman is a learning | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
and celebrated and cerebrally individual. I don't want to | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
interrupt him but the convention is that the reply is normally half the | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
length of the statement so I can indulge the honourable gentleman | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
modestly. There normally a bit of attitude but I was concerned when he | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
had some, particularly as he is a lawyer! Mr Speaker, without details, | :16:45. | :16:52. | |
the European Aviation Safety Agency which deals with safety, the | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
European medicines agency and of course, Europol, which I worked with | :16:56. | :16:58. | |
for many years. These are the bits of the EU we should be seeking to | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
retain and not to throw away. Mr Speaker, I end by saying this. It | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
was the previous Prime Minister who got us to this place without any | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
forethought or planning. This Prime Minister has now chosen a risk | :17:13. | :17:19. | |
implementation plan. She owns the consequences now. She owns them in | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
2019 and beyond that. Thank you. The secretary of state. When we started | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
down this route, I said to the house that the government have been given | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
a national instruction which we would attempt to interpret in the | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
national interest. It seemed to me that was the right approach to this, | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
not a 52-48 approach but one that encompassed the interests of | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
everybody. And I hope today that we had done that today. I mean in terms | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
of the honourable gentleman's, and he's a very talented man, his | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
questions were Azarenka as you'd expect, asking us about membership | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
of the single market and we answer that. We laid out the claims of a | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
customs union, another of his questions. He asked for detailed to | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
scrutinise the plans and we will give it. In the context of not | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
undermining our negotiation, that is entirely what we have tried to do. I | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
had hoped that we would see support from some members of the benches | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
opposite for what we think is a responsible, thoughtful, but | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
realistic plan that takes on board the instructions we have been given | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
by the British people. -- people, to take us out of the European Union | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
but in a way which preserve that interest as best we can, whether | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
they are security, economic interests or whatever. Let me deal | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
with all the specific points he raised. I will put aside my | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
disappointment at tone. He says a free trade arrangement will have do | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
have a dispute resolution procedure. So it will cover they nearly all do | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
but it does not have to be the European court of justice. We can | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
agree but he has got the thrust of it wrong. As for other things, | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
tariff free, I agree, impediment free, I agree, alignment regulation | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
May be necessary in some aspects and we will see at the negotiating | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
developments. -- develops. On goods and services, I agree. He's not | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
putting up any hurdle but frankly we don't intend to cross ourselves. | :19:23. | :19:30. | |
This question of threats, it is not a threat, this was the Chancellor, | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
in response to an interview, saying, if you go down the route of a | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
punitive approach, this is the consequence, what will happen. | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
Nations defend themselves. No one says what we want to do, it is | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
specifically what we don't want to do. We want the freest possible | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
relationship, the most friendly possible we can get and that is what | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
we will set out to do. You can take it as read that all the | :19:50. | :20:20. | |
issues he raised, we will be addressing over time in this House | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
and most particularly we'll be addressing in the negotiating | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
chamber with the Europeans. I think that they'll have as much interest | :20:30. | :20:36. | |
as we do. That is what the negotiation is predicated upon. We | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
are going to do what is in the interests of everyone, ourselves, if | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
Europeans and owl our neighbours in part of globe -- and our neighbours | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
and our part of the globe. That's what we intend to do. | :20:54. | :21:01. | |
I'm sure we'll acknowledge the Prime Minister's speech, it's principled, | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
reasonable and statesmanlike. Does he agree that, in relation to | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
what the 27 member states, heads of Government said, only a few weeks | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
ago, the last counsel sum commitment, that there would be no | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
access to the single market unless we accepted all the four freedoms -- | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
summit. That this does represent a difficulty. Does he accept therefore | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
that it's essential that we clear that with the other member states on | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
the basis of principle, reasonableness and statesmanship? | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
I have tried throughout the six months so far not to respond to | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
sometimes the emotional comments we've heard from various people | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
around the continent. I'm sort of slightly surprised in him, however. | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
He of all people would pull me up if I confused access to single market | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
with membership of single market. Pretty much every country in the | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
world that's not subject to sanctions has access to the single | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
market. We will have access to the single market. The question that | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
this is about is the terms. My job, and the job frankly of everybody, | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
including the opposition, is to persuade our opposite numbers in | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
Europe that it's in their their interests too that we all have | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
access to each other's markets. That's what I intend to do. | :22:21. | :22:31. | |
Thank you Mr Speaker. I thank the secretary for advance sight of the | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
statement. We have seen the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
today complete an un-Holy Trinity of Westminster promises to people of | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
Scotland. They promised to take account of the 62% remain vote in | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
Scotland. And to consider all options for Scotland's future. | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
They've broken that promise today. They promised during the referendum | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
and in the election manifesto that leaving the EU doesn't mean we have | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
to leave the single market. Today they are making that promise. As for | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
the promise in 2014 remaining in the United Kingdom guaranteed Scotland's | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
place in Europe, we all know where that's gone. I have to say to the | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
Secretary of State, I hope he'll pass the message back to his boss | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
that if she insists on giving Scotland only one option to remain, | :23:18. | :23:24. | |
Scotland will take that option. We do have certainty, we know with | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
certainty that Brexit means hard Tory Brexit. Can I ask the Secretary | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
of State, even at this late stage, to accept that the promises that he | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
and the Prime Minister have made must be honoured. Will he tell the | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
House how he proposes to recognise the 62% Remain vote in Scotland and | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
the overwhelming unanimous view in Scotland that our free movement of | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
people is essential for our well-being. Can he tell the House if | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
he's read the Scottish Government paper on Scotland's place in Europe | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
and give than he's nodding, will he undertake this paper will be | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
properly and thoroughly discussed at the joint ministerial council next | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
week. Will he undertake, that before any non-returnable steps are taken, | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
that Members of Parliament of all devolved nations will be given a | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
chance, even on an advisory basis to consider the Government's plans, | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
even before they are implemented. I thank the honourable gentleman for | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
his question. It's been my privilege to chair the joint ministerial | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
committee on European negotiations on which Mike Russell broadly | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
represents the Scottish Government's position. I gave him an undertaking | :24:39. | :24:46. | |
that we'd debate that paper at the next JMCEN, as it's known in | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
Whitehall jargon. That's what we'll do. One of the things I've been very | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
careful not to do is comment publicly on it because I said we | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
want to give it the most open debate possible. There are parts of it I | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
disagree with and parts I agree with. On the question of protection | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
of workers' rights or maintenance of our terrific universities, I'm | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
entirely on the side of the paper. On areas of devolution, Mr Russell | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
may be surprised on how pro-devolution I am. There'll be | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
nothing taken away and we'll have to decide what passes to them from the | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
European Union. That will be a rational debate, based around the | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
interests of the UK and Scotland. So he must take it as read I think | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
that we will take very, very seriously the idea that we do not | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
allow any part of the United Kingdom, any nation, Scotland, | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
Wales, Northern Ireland, England, to lose out by this process. We are | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
determined of that. THE SPEAKER: Anna Soubry? Thank you | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
very much. I'll continue to come pain for membership of the single | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
market and to make the positive case for immigration because I believe in | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
the free movement of the people from the European Union. But can I make | :25:59. | :26:09. | |
it very clear that I welcome the - I nearly said Her Majesty - the Prime | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
Minister's speech and the statement made by my right honourable friend. | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
I think it's realistic. It's much-needed clarity. I think the | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
tone is to be hugely welcomed. It marks in that tone, a genuine | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
desire, to bring about a consensus to reunite our country. So, in that | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
spirit, would my right honourable friend commit, please, to putting | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
those 12 objectives, this is not unreasonable, Mr Speaker, into a | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
White Paper, bringing it into this House so that we can finally, | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
because we haven't, and many others feel that Parliament's been | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
deliberately procluded from this, that we can debate the single | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
market, the customs union and free movement of people. I'll say first | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
to my right honourable friend about her slip of the tongue, I often make | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
the same mistake. Probably why I am where I am! | :27:12. | :27:23. | |
As for her request to the you believe stance of this, I've tried | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
today and the Prime Minister's tried today to answer all the questions we | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
are able to answer without undermining the negotiation. But in | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
terms of debates in the House, I can see in this chamber entirely a part | :27:38. | :27:40. | |
for debating the very thing she talked about. So that's why I'll | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
seek to get. THE SPEAKER: Ed Miliband. Thank you, | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State and the Prime Minister have both | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
more or less admitted today what's been obvious for months, that it | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
will take more than two years to have a trade deal with the EU ready | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
to go. But there then follows a crucial question for many, many | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
businesses up and down this country which is what the arrangements will | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
be when we leave the EU and that trade deal is not yet completed. But | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
listening to the Secretary of State today and indeed reading the Prime | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
Minister's speech, we are not the wiser what that will be. Can the | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
Secretary of State now enlighten us on this crucial point which matters | :28:19. | :28:27. | |
to families and businesses hugely. I'll correct one or two things what | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
he got wrong. He's wrong to interpret what I said as any | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
suggestion that we'll not be able to negotiate this outcome in the | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
timetable in front of us. The issue I said was that we'd look at | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
implementation issues because I may well take time and I cited the | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
borders and customs and various other aspects which might take time | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
to take effect. It will be in the joint interests of the European | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
Union and ourselves to put that in place. More widely, I cannot think | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
how I could have been clearer. I've answered every single question with | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
one exception that his spokesman of the party put to us. I've tried to | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
answer as many as I can of the ones the Select Committee put to us. We | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
have been very clear. I don't think out there anybody will believe the | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
Labour Party now when they say we don't know what the negotiating | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
strategy is. It's as plain as a pike staff and he should recognise that. | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
The Prime Minister's given clarity, we are leaving the single market and | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
customs union. Further to the point that's just been asked, in the | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
implementation phase of the Prime Minister's proposal after article | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
50, that period of adjustment to a deal, will all of the detailed terms | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
already have been finalised or, is the period during which the details | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
of the so-called bold and ambitious deal, as she put it, to be still | :29:58. | :30:05. | |
worked out during the phase? My right honourable friend wrote a very | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
wise paper which I referred to previously in a previous exchange | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
here and he'd recognise that the negotiating balance changes at the | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
end of the two-year period, so it's very, very important that we | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
conclude the deal by then. The implementation is a different | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
matter, it may take time and it does take time and we can't control | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
whether we say putting in place a new customs arrangement or whatever | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
it may be. It's the practicalities of it and that's what will drive it. | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. While the Prime Minister's made | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
things clearer today and I welcome in particular the commitment that | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
Parliament will have a vote on the final deal and that the Government | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
will seek transitional arrangements, both things the Select Committee | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
called for in its first report, there is one big issue where there | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
is still uncertainty for businesses and that is the continuation of | :30:57. | :31:04. | |
tariff free and barrier free trade. Now, given the Government's | :31:05. | :31:06. | |
unequivocal commitment today to that goal, can the Secretary of State | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
tell the House that if remaining in the customs turns out to be the only | :31:12. | :31:17. | |
way of assuring that that is what we'll get what we asked for, can you | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
ensure that's what we'll do to honour that commitment to | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
businesses? Zbloo we'll abide by the instruction given to it by the | :31:27. | :31:28. | |
British people and the instruction was to leave the European Union. | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
I'm afraid that is inconsistent with membership of the market. What we | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
have said in terms, is that we intend to deliver the very thing | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
that he says British business is uncertain about. That is tariff free | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
and barrier free access to the European market. | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
Can I welcome the contribution to increased clarity that the Prime | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
Minister's brought to the EU debate today. I just hope that the 27 | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
remaining countries in the EU will take this opportunity to embrace the | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
positive spirit in which this plan's been put forward. But the Prime | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
Minister actually said in her speech that she was putting the | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
preservation of our precious union at the heart of everything and, in | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
that spirit, can I ask the Secretary of State if there is parts of the | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
country that are net beneficiaries from the EU, such as Wales and | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
Cornwall, will continue to get that level of funding so they can take | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
advantage of the great opportunities ahead. The aim of the entire | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
strategy is to improve the economic prospects of the country and to do | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
that properly, the Prime Minister has been very forward in terms of | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
talking about the benefits of that. One of the things which has passed | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
almost unremarked but was in fact remarkable, was the speed with which | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
the Treasury stepped in very early on universities and farming and | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
structural funds. It made a decision in four weeks in the middle of | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
August, something which I don't think I can remember in my lifetime | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
in this parent which is quite long. So I think she can take it as read | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
that we'll do everything possible to make sure that awe parts in the | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
United Kingdom benefit from this policy. | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
I applaud the Prime Minister's speech and her vision of a liberal | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
Brexit. Can the minister confirm that where mutual cooperation is | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
needed between the EU and UK after we've left such as | :33:29. | :33:30. | |
intelligence-sharing, that arrangements will be put in place on | :33:31. | :33:37. | |
the basis of bilateral treaties, rather than us being the supplement? | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
One of the things the Prime Minister's made plain is that we are | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
not the supplement here or in what follows afterwards. Britain is the | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
intelligent super power, we are critical to the fence of Europe from | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
terrorist threat and we are also critical to the military support of | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
Europe and dealing with migration, the navy at work -- with the navy at | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
work. They are often on a bilateral basis now but they'll be done on a | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
treaty basis equal to both sides. I think we should loyally support | :34:09. | :34:22. | |
the Government. Hear-hear! LAUGHTER | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
Will the Secretary of State confirm this, that insist on controlling | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
your own borders and insisting on doing international trade deals is | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
inconsistent, not just with membership of the European Union, | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
but also the customs union and the single market, so I agree after the | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
welcome turn of today's speech it's not hard Brexit, it's full Brexit. | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
Well, I will start by saying with respect to his opening remarks, my | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
health is fragile these days, careful about such assertions of | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
supporting the Government! But it is plain, I mean, we have endeavoured | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
to put together the option which gives the best outcome for Britain | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
whilst obeying the decision of the people. That's what we have done and | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
it will work. Thank you, MrSpeaker. The Prime | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
Minister in the first part of her speech made a welcome commitment to | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
enhance and protect workers' rights but at the end was threatening to | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
take them away and to undercut the rest of Europe and rip up the | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
British economic model if we don't get what we want. Can he now | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
withdraw that threat and be clear that Britain will not do that | :35:36. | :35:38. | |
because otherwise if the Government is prepared to rip up workers' | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
rights as soon as the negotiations get difficult, how can we trust them | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
to ensure that the rest of Britain's interests are protected if the | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
negotiations get difficult, as well? I will say to her what I said to the | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
head of the TUC a couple of weeks ago, there is no circumstance under | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
which we will rip up worksers' rights. That's my commitment from | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
the beginning in this job and it will be my commitment for as long as | :36:03. | :36:11. | |
I am in it. The governor of the Bank of England | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
said the financial stability risks to the eurozone are greater than | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
those faced by the UK, will he undertake to offer the European | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
Union a full agreement to ensure that through the withdrawal | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
agreement the eurozone continues to enjoy access to the City of London? | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
Well, the governor and my honourable friend make a good point. The City | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
of London, the existence of the City of London ensures both a pool of | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
liquidity and a source of almost bottomless source of low cost | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
finance for most of the industries of Europe. So, I think they've every | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
interest in doing the deal we described and that again I reiterate | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
is what we are relying on that's in everybody's interests economically, | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
socially and in terms of financial stability. As the Secretary of State | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
knows I support reform of freedom of movement but in a way that does | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
least damage to the economy and particularly the regional economy. I | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
see in the Prime Minister's speech she makes specific mention of | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
protecting the interests of Cardiff, Edinburgh, Belfast, the City of | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
London, but there is no mention of the north-west of England, Greater | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
Manchester or indeed any English region. Rather than leaving these | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
crucial decisions to a London centric click isn't it take to open | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
up this debate, give Greater Manchester a voice in it and | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
establish a Brexit committee for the nations and regions? | :37:37. | :37:43. | |
If he is not very careful, I shall invite him to jump on to the M62 and | :37:44. | :37:52. | |
visit me at my home in Yorkshire, this right-wing bastion in the north | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
of England. Firstly, as you he - as he might imagine, I am acutely | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
conscious of the needs of the north and what I am intending to do, I had | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
intended to announce it - I hadn't intended to announce it today but I | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
will as he asked, after the mayoral elections I intend to All Yours the | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
mayors to have a meeting to talk about precisely that. | :38:15. | :38:23. | |
It's a makeshift plan but before he is able to negotiate it, can I urge | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
on him enormous patience because our partners will first want to discuss | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
the money, the division of the assets and liabilities. I shall | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
almost reiterate the answer I gave to the previous question. I am from | :38:39. | :38:45. | |
Yorkshire and we are known to be just like the Scots, but a lot less | :38:46. | :38:52. | |
generous! Today's speech is a result of what | :38:53. | :38:59. | |
you get when you allow immigration policy to dictate economic policy, | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
rather than considering these crucial questions of immigration and | :39:05. | :39:06. | |
economics together. The Prime Minister set out a plan to leave the | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
European Union but she did not set out a plan to keep anything like the | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
current access to our biggest single market for jobs, businesses and | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
trade and during the referendum campaign she said that pulling out | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
of the single market would mean a loss of investors and going | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
backwards on international trade. Let me ask the Secretary of State, | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
what economic assessment did the Government make on the impact of | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
today's speech on jobs, trade and prosperity or was the speech made | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
without any such assetment at all? The first thing I will say to him is | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
that the outcome of the referendum last year was not principally, it | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
was a large part about immigration, but not principally about | :39:54. | :39:55. | |
immigration, it was about control of our country. If you talk to the | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
people who voted that was what they were concerned about. That's what | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
this is about. Since I was party to the writing of this speech I can | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
tell him, we had the economic future of the country, the security of the | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
country, the sovereignty of the country and our part in the world | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
all squarely in our sights when we wrote it. | :40:15. | :40:24. | |
My right honourable friend in his speech made clear that no deal is | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
better than a bad deal. In the unlikely I am sure event that we | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
were to get a bad deal and the House were to vote against it, what would | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
be the impact in terms of our status within the European Union? | :40:36. | :40:46. | |
Well, the referendum last year set in motion a circumstance where the | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
UK is going to leave the European Union and it won't change that. What | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
we want to have is a vote so the House can support the policy which | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
we are quite sure they will approve of when we get there. | :40:57. | :41:04. | |
Can I welcome the Prime Minister's speech today in the sense that it | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
gives certainty to those millions of Labour supporters who voted to leave | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
and now know that the slogan taking back control is not just a slogan | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
but actually means something. Could I ask him in the interim period now, | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
before we actually leave, will he assure us that the negotiations | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
about trade deals with other countries that may be nearly there, | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
that we will continue to do that work so we are ready to go when we | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
actually leave the EU? Of course we will do that. The honourable lady is | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
entirely right. What we are constrained by is a thing called the | :41:39. | :41:44. | |
duty of sincere co-operation. It requires us not to do things which | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
jeopardise actions by the European Union. If the European Union | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
currently has a trade deal in negotiation we have to be very | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
careful about how we impact on that. Of course we can't actually sign | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
until the day we leave. But I have a strong suspicion that there will be | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
a lot of things ready to sign that very next day. | :42:04. | :42:12. | |
I apologise for being unavoidably rather late in the chamber. Whilst I | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
welcome the tone of the Prime Minister's statement today and the | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
commitments to free trade and internationalism and so on which are | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
very welcome, does my right honourable friend agree that when he | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
is negotiating free trade agreements or customses union with any other | :42:30. | :42:36. | |
country or groups of country, the parties both agree to be bound by | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
sets of rules which neither of them are going to change and any | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
agreement involves submitting to some means of resolution of | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
disputes, be it arbitration or a court of law or the World Trade | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
Organisation rules. So what I don't understand when reading the Prime | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
Minister's statement or listening to my right honourable friend is which | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
country in the world is going to enter into a trade agreement with | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
this country on the basis that the rules are entirely what the British | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
say they're going to be on any particular day and if there is any | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
dispute about the rules it's going to be sorted out by the British | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
Government? LAUGHTER | :43:22. | :43:30. | |
Well, those on that side have a very short memory. I can forgive my right | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
honourable friend, he didn't hear the first question which was on | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
exactly this point. And I answered it in the same way I am going to | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
answer this, which is of course there will be agreements between us | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
and there will they'll be arbitrated by an organisation which we agree | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
between us, not normally the European Court of justice. | :43:47. | :43:54. | |
Thank you, MrSpeaker. Can the Secretary of State be absolutely | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
crystal clear, does his statement and the Prime Minister's speech | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
represent the totality of the plan promised to parliament and will | :44:01. | :44:07. | |
there be a White Paper, yes or no? I was asked by the select committee | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
that we will present the plan as quickly as possible, that's what we | :44:12. | :44:19. | |
have done. I am very pleased to hear priorities | :44:20. | :44:27. | |
include allowing the EU citizens to stay here and allowing us to still | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
access those vital skills we need for science and insroe vasion. I | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
appreciate the negotiation can't be open for all to see and no running | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
commentary will be possible. Will the Secretary of State commit - | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
needs and requirements must be reflected in negotiating aims. | :44:47. | :44:53. | |
Broadly, yes, the honourable lady is a member for Cambridgeshire? I was | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
in Cambridge only just before Christmas to speak to a number of | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
hi-tech organisations, one of them ARM but a number of others, as well, | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
some pharmaceutical ones, as well, with the direct intention of | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
informing exactly how we approach some of these complex matters in the | :45:15. | :45:23. | |
negotiation. The Government took a wise decision | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
to inform our E. Partners that in the event of intransigence during | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
our negotiations to establish a new partnership that we would not take | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
it lying down and would use the fiscal and legislative levers at our | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
disposal to ensure that Britain's economic case was represented | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
properly. Is he surprised at the casual way in which the opposition | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
has dismissed the use of these levers on the basis that it might | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
start a trade war and would he not accept that the sure way of getting | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
entrance generals from the EU is to throw away this economic deterrent | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
we have at our disposal? I am disappointed but not surprised, what | :46:07. | :46:16. | |
is perhaps spicing -- surprising. This is something in the national | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
interest, every single member of our nation stands to gain. | :46:20. | :46:26. | |
Can I welcome the detailed plan set out by the Prime Minister for a | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
post-Brexit Britain that means that we are a self-governing democracy, a | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
firm friend to Europe but have a global perspective. Does he agree | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
that it's vital this is a positive vision because that's the way we can | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
unite the country and make sure Britain goes from strength to | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
strength? Well, my honourable friend goes to | :46:48. | :46:50. | |
the heart of this. The purpose of this and the reason we addressed the | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
questions that were put by the opposition was because we wanted to | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
get people behind a vision of Britain which will be in everybody's | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
interests, everybody, north, south, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern | :47:05. | :47:06. | |
Ireland, every part of the country, rich and poor and that's what we | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
intend to do. Thank you, MrSpeaker. In 45 minutes | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
the Prime Minister hasn't delivered a plan, she's delivered a Pandora's | :47:16. | :47:25. | |
Box. She said she wants us to leave the common commercial policy and the | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
common external tariff but to have associate membership of the customs | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
union. A membership that doesn't yet exist and nobody else has. Can the | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
Secretary of State tell us exactly what this means now for the deals | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
like the aniesen deal on which thousands of jobs -- Nissan. Or what | :47:44. | :47:51. | |
is it he - what cake he wants to eat and have this time? Nissan have | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
decided to enlarge their investment in Britain, so they are clearly | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
persuaded of this circumstance. The second thing I would say to her is | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
that we have said from the beginning the relationship, the new | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
partnership we want to have with the European Union will be unique T will | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
be brand new, it is unique in many ways. Let me give one example. In | :48:15. | :48:20. | |
the trade deal that we are seeking to arrive at we will be at the same | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
standards of production, same standards applying to all of Britain | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
that applies to the European Union now. There is no other trade deal in | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
the world like that. The same thing applies to customs agreements, we | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
are in a position where currently we have no customs barriers, why should | :48:37. | :48:39. | |
we not have a frictionless one when we get to the end of the deal? | :48:40. | :48:47. | |
Does the Secretary of State agree with me that a strong, fair and | :48:48. | :48:53. | |
global Britain must include showing support for EU nationals currently | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
living and working in our communities and to that end does he | :48:58. | :49:04. | |
agree with me that we should unilaterally guarantee their rights | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
as this would demonstrate our goodwill with a clear statement of | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
intent? En What we have done is we have | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
sought at the earliest possible opportunity with the national | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
governments of those EU nationals to try to establish an agreement which | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
covers both those EU nationals about which we care deeply, but also those | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
citizens for whom we have a legal and moral responsibility, that's the | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
point to remember, we have a legal and moral responsibility for our own | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
citizens and those nations have not yet taken up the offer. | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. Further to the point made by the honourable | :49:43. | :49:51. | |
lady for Twickenham, the speech does contain the words "guarantee", so | :49:52. | :49:53. | |
there is a commitment from the Government that they want to do | :49:54. | :50:00. | |
this. However, with 3.5 million citizens living in our country, will | :50:01. | :50:07. | |
it be 23rd June or the day we trigger. Certainly is extremely | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
important and work needs to be done on the basis of when people arrived | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
because the number of EU citizens will have arrived without passports | :50:16. | :50:22. | |
but with identity cards. He'll know as a long-standing ex-chairman of | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
the Home Affairs Select Committee which actually published a report on | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
this and put up three dates, that this is a matter strictly for the | :50:31. | :50:38. | |
Home Office to initiate and their policy on it. | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
People came here in good faith to feel fear, concern about the future | :50:45. | :50:51. | |
and we want to be able to guarantee all the other things that go with | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
it, the welfare support and so on. That's what we intend to do. He'll | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
forgive me if I don't pick a date out of the air because he knows what | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
will happen, it will create an instant problem in terms of concerns | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
for people who arrived either before or after that date. I don't wish | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
this to make it any more difficult for the decent people that I want to | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
help. I also welcome the Prime Minister's | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
tone and her outlined objectives as she enters into the Brexit | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
negotiations. I'm pleased she's listened to honourable friends to | :51:26. | :51:27. | |
putting that vote to Parliament. Does my right honourable friend | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
agree with me that in order to ensure that the Government is in | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
tune with the will of Parliament that the single market is | :51:35. | :51:43. | |
desperately overdue, the debate on it, and also so that Britain can be | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
a best friend and neighbour to European partners. To do anything | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
else would make Britain poor and the European partners. He goes to the | :51:52. | :52:02. | |
heart of the strategy. The non-tariff barriers are as important | :52:03. | :52:05. | |
in some ways as the 0% tariff and maybe harder to negotiate. | :52:06. | :52:10. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. Once the UK's left the EU, there'll | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
be a ?9 billion in EU finances. Given reduced resources, why does | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
the Government believe the EU will prioritise negotiating a trade deal | :52:21. | :52:23. | |
with the UK over more lucrative markets such as the US or China? | :52:24. | :52:29. | |
Well, I'm afraid she's wrong about the more lucrative market bit. I | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
mean, we are, once we are outside the European Union, the largest | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
market for the European Union. They do not want to lose what they | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
already have, which is a massive trade deficit, as it were, in their | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
direction, which is very important for many, many millions of jobs. | :52:47. | :52:55. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. I would like to warmly welcome the statement by | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
my right honourable friend and the speech earlier by the Prime | :53:00. | :53:01. | |
Minister. I'm sure my right honourable friend is aware of the | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
importance of the British university sector for research, jobs and | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
growth, and that is challenged, that sector, in terms of the workforce | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
and also in terms of many of the grants it gets from the European | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
Union. Will my right honourable friend commit to prioritising with | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
the university sector to make sure it has a viable and strong future in | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
a post-Brexit world? We are already at that. As I | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
mentioned to his honourable friend, I was in Cambridge just before | :53:33. | :53:34. | |
Christmas with that very much in mind. | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
Let me just reiterate the point. I know I've made it from despatch box | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
before. I'll reiterate the point. My job is to bring back control of the | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
immigration policy to the UK. But do not assume that we'll do anything | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
other than interpret that immigration policy in the UK's | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
national interests. We are a university, a science super power | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
and that science super power status depends on our access to tariffs, | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
our ability to get people to come and work in our universities with | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
Nobel Prizes and do what they do very well here and we have got that | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
very, very square and centre in what we are attempting to achieve. Thank | :54:16. | :54:21. | |
you very much, Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State was an early | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
advocate of a White Paper. Downing Street have made it clear that | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
there'll be no White Paper that the Prime Minister's speech is all we | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
are going to get. Is he disappointed with that and, will he go back and | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
ask her to think again so that we can have meaningful debate with | :54:41. | :54:47. | |
votes ahead of the final agreement? I mean, frankly, she should read it. | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
It's almost 7,000 words, a closely argued strategy in terms of the | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
approach to the European Union. It answers all of her questions that we | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
can answer at this stage and that's what we set out to do, to help | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
Parliament with its decisions. That's what I think we have done. | :55:05. | :55:13. | |
The honourable member from hoe burn and St Pancras suggested that the | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
ECJ would retain the trade deal. Given the Canada trade deal contains | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
an arbitration clause, does the Secretary of State think this is | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
absolutely necessary? There is always an arbitration clause in any | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
trade deal but whoever the organisation that carries out the | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
arbitration, is a part of that deal. That's what we'll agree. I think | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
it's incredibly unlikely it will be the ECJ. | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
Can I suggest to the honourable member that the Government's threat | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
of turning Britain into a corporate tax haven floating off on the edge | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
of Europe is not what people voted for on the 23rd June. People also | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
did not vote to wreck our environmental protections. So will | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
the Government introduce a new Environmental Protection Act as | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
advocated by the Environmental Audit Committee so that vital safeguards | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
for nature are neither quietly dropped through secondary | :56:07. | :56:08. | |
legislation, nor bargained away in this rush to be able to conclude new | :56:09. | :56:11. | |
trade deals, for example, with the US. | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
Well, what I'll say to her is this. The way we have structured this, | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
very clearly I think, with the great Repeal Bill, so that that all of the | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
existing protections in law will be put into British law, then anything | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
thereafter will be for this Parliament to decide, something that | :56:30. | :56:37. | |
hasn't been true for about 40 years. Mr Speaker, in the Secretary of | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
State's long and distinguished political career, did he ever think | :56:43. | :56:46. | |
that in his political lifetime, he would have a British Prime Minister | :56:47. | :56:53. | |
make such a splendid speech on the EU, totally in line with the British | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
people? Absolutely not! But sadly that won't | :56:57. | :57:04. | |
get me a pay increase. Russia. Russia this week has been up | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
to its usual tricks no trying to stir up trouble between Serbia and | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
Kosovo and of course is trying to face down the United States of | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
America and, for that matter, other members of NATO on the border with | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
Poland and Estonia. Now, I believe that the bedrock of our national | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
security is NATO. I hope my party does too. But successive Foreign | :57:29. | :57:36. | |
Secretaries and Home Secretaries and Prime Ministers have come to this | :57:37. | :57:39. | |
House and said that they are proud when they've come back from the EU, | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
that they have been able to make sure that the EU keeps strong | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
sanctions against Russian territorial aggression. How will we | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
be able to do that in the future when we've left the European Union? | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
Well, we'll be able to do it by bilateral negotiation. Let me go | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
back to the fundamental of what he said. I mean, one of the - he's | :57:59. | :58:05. | |
right, we need to contain Russian expansionism - and he's right that | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
that's an important part of this country's role in the world. One of | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
the most important parts of the incredibly important speech was the | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
Prime Minister making it very plain that we will continue to be a good | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
global citizen and a good European citizen, particularly on matters of | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
regional security. I welcome today's statement and the | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
clarity it brings. In the Black Country and the wider West Midlands | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
economy, their businesses have driven export growth, particularly | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
outside of the European Union. Would the Secretary of State agree with me | :58:44. | :58:46. | |
that whatever we agree in terms of access to the single market, must | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
not constrain the ability of West Midlands exporters to continue to | :58:52. | :58:55. | |
ply trade outside of the European Union and grow their exports? | :58:56. | :58:59. | |
He makes a point which goes to the heart of the approach to the customs | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
union. The reason we are not going to be a part of the common | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
commercial policy is to enable us to make the deals which enable the | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
Black Country industrialists to make the maximum out of international | :59:12. | :59:18. | |
trade. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. EU | :59:19. | :59:24. | |
workers in Scotland contribute ?7. 5 billion to our economy, not to | :59:25. | :59:28. | |
mention the huge contribution they make to our social fabric. What is | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
he going to do to protect their rights and Scotland's place in | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
Europe as they voted for by a majority in the EU vote? | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
I mean, there was a part of the report that was produced by the | :59:42. | :59:45. | |
Scottish Government which related to this and, as I said to one of my | :59:46. | :59:53. | |
colleagues earlier, that we will not be managing the immigration policy | :59:54. | :59:56. | |
or the migration policy in a way which harms the national interest. | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
That means not causing Labour shortages, shortages of talent and | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
so on. That applies, not just as it were globally, but to each nation | :00:06. | :00:11. | |
state of the United Kingdom too. Thank you, Mr Speaker. | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
I welcome the Prime Minister's plan for Britain and her speech today. I | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
represent a rural constituency which has a long history and future of | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
agriculture. Can my right honourable friend assure the House that | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
agriculture will be central in any trade negotiations and that the high | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
quality of food standards for which British farming is famed will be a | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
key principle in those negotiations? The answer very simply is yes. We | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
are a large market for European agriculture and food production but | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
they are a large market for us too and we'll keep that in mind. | :00:52. | :00:58. | |
Mr Speaker, on rethinking immigration policy, will ministers | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
consider allowing EU citizens to come to the UK if they have a firm | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
job offer in the UK, as part of the quid pro quo for the barrier free | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
access to the single market which he said is his goal? | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
I think if I remember correctly from the speech, the Prime Minister made | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
the point thats the not a policy to shut out Europeans at all, it's a | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
policy to deliver the best interests of the United Kingdom and the best | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
interests of the European Union and therefore we'll keep that in mind, | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
of course. I welcome the Prime Minister's | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
speech and her plans. But would my right honourable friend agree his | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
negotiations will be greatly enhanced by his commitment to | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
working with Britishth British business and that the Government's | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
commitment to shaping a modern industrial strategy with British | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
business will also provide a clear vision for our post-Brexit economic | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
future? The two policies fit together hand and glove almost, the | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
industrial policy and the negotiating policy with the European | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Union. It's right that we have made an enormous amount of attention to | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
business, finance and manufacturing, to aviation, energy, every single | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
sector, 51 different sectors. We have paid a great deal of attention | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
to them in order to get the best possible deal and we'll continue to | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
do so. Mr Speaker, trading with the EU | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
under WTO rules would be vastly inferior to our current arrangements | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
with 10% tariffs on cars, 13% on clothes, up to 40% tariffs on | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
agricultural produce that the lady was talking about. For the sake of | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
clarity, can he be absolutely clear, does the Prime Minister's commitment | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
to an interim implementation arrangement amount to the Government | :02:47. | :02:55. | |
ruling out leaving the EU with no deal at all. That would be damaging | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
for jobs and businesses in this country. | :03:01. | :03:10. | |
If you walk into a negotiating option with no other option you | :03:11. | :03:18. | |
won't do very well. Can I welcome the tone of the Prime | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
Minister this morning in the building formerly known as Stafford | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
House. Would he agree with me that this issue of no cliff edge of a | :03:30. | :03:36. | |
really well-worked out implementation plan is incredibly | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
important, not just for businesses, but for the entire economy and all | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
of the people of the United Kingdom and indeed of the EU. | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
I think my right honourable friend is, as ever, right. I would say to | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
him, of course, the point I tried to make earlier and it was made this | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
morning, is this is important to us but also important to the European | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
Union too. Thank you, Mr Speaker. If we are | :03:59. | :04:06. | |
looking things which unite us and will enable us to exit the European | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
Union more smoothly, can I suggest the minister starts talking to the | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
Home Office and to minister who is deal with universities to find a way | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
where we can properly remove the numbers of international students | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
from the head count of immigration figures? | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
Having explained earlier how I got the job, I think answering that | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
question would lose me the job. It is a matter for the Home Office. But | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
she can be sure that as I have said earlier, in answer to other | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
questions, the operation of the immigration policy after we depart | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
the European Union will be in the national interest, that includes the | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
interest of our incredibly powerful and effective university sector. As | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
the Shadow Minister said, this is not a hard Brexit, nor is this a | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
soft Brexit, this is a plan for Britain on Brexit. The pound is up | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
almost 3% since the announcement of the Prime Minister this morning. | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
Could I urge my right honourable friend to not give in to the voices | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
opposite who want a constant commentary but to carry on the clear | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
strategy that's been laid out since he took post of making announcements | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
when there is something to announce because that stability has been | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
proved on the markets today that it works. Well, I am slightly loath to | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
pin the entire effectiveness of the strategy on the currency markets, | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
although I have to say that in two speeches now we managed to move it | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
by a total of 5% so I have made more money on that than in the entire | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
rest of my industrial career. But I take the point. This is a very | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
important issue that we must not give a running commentary on but I | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
think the opposition have a point that clarity was worthwhile and | :05:52. | :06:00. | |
that's been demonstrated today. The Prime Minister said in her | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
speech that we are leaving the single market, that she was going to | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
negotiate a tree trade agreement with the EU and -- free trade | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
agreement with the EU. Taking arrangements in certain areas. The | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
Prime Minister continued, if so, it is reasonable that we should make an | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
appropriate contribution. Can the Secretary of State say today and | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
confirm is the Government actually considering continuing to make a | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
financial contribution on that basis to the EU? I think he should have | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
listened to the questions as well when she elaborated on that. She | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
pointed out there are elements of the European Union where it's to our | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
benefit, some of the research arrangements and so on. We are not | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
in the business of going into great detail beyond that. I have said | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
before we are not closing doors, but neither are we committing to things | :06:57. | :07:07. | |
at this point. Well done the Prime Minister, well done my right | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
honourable friend. Does he share my optimism that access to the European | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
markets will not be affected by our departure because of the millions of | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
European workers who will not allow their politicians or their | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
bureaucrats to threaten their livelihoods simply to punish the | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
United Kingdom? I am sure my right honourable friend | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
is right and I particularly like the opening of his question! | :07:34. | :07:47. | |
Could I commend the honourable lady for her sanity in her common sense | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
earlier and the member for Rushcliff for bringing a degree of integrity | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
to the discussion. Does the Secretary of State for exiting the | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
EU recognise that I and thousands of others in Northern Ireland won't be | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
leaving the EU willingly. We recognise the very significant | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
benefits that have flowed from EU membership. We hold EU passports and | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
we intend to retain them. But can I ask the Secretary of State what | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
arrangements he will make to accommodate us? People like myself | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
and the 70% of my constituents who voted to remain in the EU and intend | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
to retain the benefits and could he when he tell us how he intends | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
Northern Ireland to have its voice heard at the GMC meetings that he | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
has and in the negotiations generally in the next three months? | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
Let me say to the honourable gentleman. Firstly, since the | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
beginning of this process, since I took this post, we have put the | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
preservation of the stability and interests of Northern Ireland pretty | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
much at the top of the tree of the negotiation, in particular on issues | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
such as maintaining an open border and indeed on preserving the | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
economic basis of Northern Ireland which is very dependent on trade | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
with the Republic of Ireland. In terms of the JMC, I don't think | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
whether it's gone yesterday but I approved it yesterday for the | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
Northern Ireland economictive asking them whether they during the interim | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
period, although the Government doesn't - is now subject to an | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
election, ministers, most of the ministers are still in place to get | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
them to send representatives either Ministerial or other | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
representatives, so that we are always across the interests of | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
Northern Ireland. He must take it as read, I am absolutely committed to | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
making sure that the stability we have got used to and the peace we | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
have got used to and prosperity in the last several years, we intend to | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
maintain. As the Secretary of State said, if | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
we are to give up our membership of the European Union and indeed the | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
single market, this is not incompatible with us negotiating | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
access to the single market either in whole or in part, I was wondering | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
if at this stage my honourable friend has considered red lines he | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
may put down in terms of what we pay for such access? I have considered, | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
but the idea that I might talk about them is neither here... The simple | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
truth is, there is a sort of naivety in modern politics that you have to | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
establish in some sort of butch way red lines. If you establish a red | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
line what you do is you invite your opposite, your negotiating opposite | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
to make that red line very expensive to you. So, I do not intend to get | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
into the business of laying out red lines here, there and everywhere, | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
because I intend to get the best possible outcome for the country. | :10:45. | :10:55. | |
The Prime Minister has said that we will be leaving the jurisdiction of | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
the European Court of justice but can the Secretary of State, who has | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
been a strong advocate of human rights, confirm that we will not be | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
leaving the European Convention on Human Rights? | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
Well as she knows I have history in this area and they're completely | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
separate entities, nothing to do with this. | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
I wholeheartedly welcome my right honourable friend's statement and | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
that of the Prime Minister. Steel production is hugely important in | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
Northamptonshire, will he consult widely about the future of the steel | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
industry to make sure we get these arrangements right because this is a | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
vitally strategic important industry for our country? Yes, the short | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
answer is yes. The Secretary of State talked about | :11:49. | :11:56. | |
bumps in the road. But this threatens to be a head of on car | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
crash for Wales where 200,000 jobs are supported by trade with Europe. | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
Does he have any idea how many jobs will be lost in Wales as a result of | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
his Government's chosen path? The intention is none. I will say to | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
that end the joint Ministerial committee for European negotiation | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
will be considering a subfrom the Government for Wales I think in the | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
meeting after next. I actually believe the Prime | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
Minister's powers are pragmatic plan because it sets out the ambitions | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
that we have to continue to attract the best talent to continue access | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
to the single market and to have a phased implementation and that | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
certainly recognises the ambitions of the financial services industry. | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
Could my right honourable friend confirm he will follow the Prime | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
Minister's lead and put the needs at the forefront of his negotiations | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
and secure mutual recognition and equiff Lance in those negotiations? | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
Following my earlier comments of course I will follow the Prime | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
Minister's lead! And yes, of course, national | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
services is an enormously important industry, plus all the associated | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
industries that support it. I have to tell him as well it's an industry | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
that general rates great revenue for the tresh ear, even if I didn't pay | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
attention I am sure the Chancellor would. | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
58% of the north-east exports are destined for the EU, 10% more than | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
the UK average, leaving our region the most exposed from leaving the | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
single market. Could the Secretary of State confirm what specific | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
assessment or specific conversations he has had with business | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
organisations and others in the north-east to ensure that our voice | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
is heard in these discussions and that those jobs that depend on our | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
access to the single market are not put at risk. | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
I am not a southerner, she will understand that I come at this from | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
a different view from some, and companies like Nissan clearly took a | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
view too. Let me put this to her clearly, the aim of this strategy is | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
to deliver absolutely the maximum possible access to the European | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
Union marketplace, as well as delivering access to other global | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
marketplaces at the same time. Those two things will be to the benefit of | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
the north-east just as much as anywhere else. | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
Nearly 70% of my constituents voted to leave the EU so I very much | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
welcome the Prime Minister's speech today and my right honourable | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
friend's statement outlining a plan of how we can deliver this exit. But | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
just a point on trade. Can my right honourable friend outline in more | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
detail what the Government is going to do to ensure businesses such as | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
those in Cannock Chase can make the most of global trade opportunities | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
as we exit the EU? Strictly this is a question she | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
should address to the department for international trade because one | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
element of what they do is negotiating new deals but the other | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
element is facilitating, particularly for medium sized | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
businesses, the ones where we underperform, access to those | :15:19. | :15:20. | |
markets and they'll be doing that, as well. | :15:21. | :15:30. | |
The second of the Prime Minister's Brexit principles as leaving the | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
European Union will mean our laws will be made in Westminster, | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast, in the spirit of principle one that the | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
Government will provide certainty wherever it can, will the Secretary | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
now provide details to the House of what further devolution or as he | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
called it the right powers will go to the devolved administrations | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
following our exit from the European Union? | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
The first thing to say to her is that not a single power will come | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
away from the devolved administrations, not one. If one was | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
to listen sometimes to people talk being this you would think somehow | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
we are going to strip the Scottish parliament of powers, which is not | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
true. Secondly, I will say this to her, my presumption is I can tell | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
her the principle, I can't give her the details at this stage, but my | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
presumption is that wherever possible we will devolve so long as | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
it doesn't undermine the UK single market, for which it is incredibly | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
important to Scotland, about five times as much as it is to a European | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
single market is. Secondly, that it preserves the ability of the | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
Government to do international negotiation because - thirdly, to | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
meet the international standards. Those are very important. Subject to | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
that, I am on her side in terms of devolving. | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
MrSpeaker, I totally agree with my right honourable friend that the UK | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
is one of the best places for innovation and science and not least | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
we have many world-class universities just like in my home | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
town of Huddersfield. Would he agree that's exactly why our European | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
allies will be eager to build a strong, new relationship? | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
Of course. If the European negotiators take a rationale | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
approach to this we will do this deal inside that two years and it | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
will be good for both sides. No deal may be better than a bad | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
deal but isn't the reality that no deal means, despite its best | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
efforts, the British Government has been unable to conclude what it | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
regards as a satisfactory outcome to the negotiations and therefore we | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
are left with what the other 27 members want to impose on us, | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
doesn't that sound like a pretty bad deal? | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
No, being left to what 27 nations want to impose on sup a definition | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
of a bad deal. I am sure the Secretary of State | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
shares my enthusiasm for the clarity of the Prime Minister's speech | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
today, a global Britain, freedom from the customs union and the | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
constraints of single market membership. How will my right | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
honourable friend impart that same enthusiasm amongst our EU friends | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
and partners as we approach this future realising it's as good for | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
them as it is good for us and it's a positive sum game? That last point | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
is the most sper swaysive aspect. It will be to their benefit. The | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
European Union has had a difficult five years, in economic terms and | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
they really, if anybody has an appetite for more jobs and business | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
and more trade it's them and we are their biggest market. | :18:40. | :18:47. | |
The EU procurement rules have led to privatisation of parts of the health | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
service, including part of the ambulance service in the East | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
Midlands. Will the Secretary of State guarantee that when these | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
negotiations are concluded and put in front of parliament that we will | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
have the opportunity as parliament if we then choose to renationalise | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
the entirety of the health service, without EU procurement getting in | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
the way and if we also choose the rail industry? | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
The honourable gentleman will understand better than most, that | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
once we have exited the European Union, every change in law will be | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
subject to this Parliament's decision. | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. I very much welcome the Prime Minister's speech | :19:28. | :19:37. | |
today and indeed my right my right honourable friend's statement | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
earlier on. We have seen the New Zealand Prime Minister visiting | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
London over the weekend expressing a desire for a trade deal and also the | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
US President Elect Trump wanting a swift deal as well with the UK. | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
There seems to be some confusion. Can my right honourable friend | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
confirm that we cannot negotiate global free trade deals if we remain | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
members of the customs union? Well, he's exactly right. What | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
that's what the common commercial policy is, it prevents us doing | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
that, that's why we have come to the conclusion that we have. Thank you | :20:13. | :20:25. | |
Mr Speaker. The UK is going to do away with free movement, it's going | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
to come out the customs union and leaving the single market. Yet we | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
are going to maintain a common free movement deal with Ireland. How can | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
that work but we are constantly told such a deal would not be possible | :20:42. | :20:51. | |
between Scotland and England? If I remember correctly, the common | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
travel area started in 1923 and has nothing to do with the European | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
Union. Mr Speaker, my right honourable friend is the man with | :21:03. | :21:10. | |
the plan. They may mock if they wish, Mr Speaker, but will he ensure | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
that those wanting a running commentary will not get their way in | :21:15. | :21:21. | |
wrecking the negotiation? Of course. Thank you very much | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
indeed Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State and indeed | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
the Prime Minister are very keen to repeat this phrase - no-one wants to | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
see a return to the border of the past - between Northern Ireland and | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
the republic. Of course no-one wants to see the return of the borders of | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
the past with army patrols and that sort of thing. The reality is, we | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
can't have a return to the border of the past because we don't have the | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
army watch Towers. They've gone. Dissident Republicans have not gone. | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
Dissident Republicans have murdered two prison officers in the last four | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
years in Northern Ireland. This is a really serious issue. So if we are | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
not going to go back to the border of the past and I don't want to go | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
back to that very hard type of border, it's a porous border in | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
south Armargh, 300 miles of it. Is the British Government proposing to | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
outsource our immigration control to the Irish Government in terms of | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
lick Rick, Shamrock, Dublin and Shannon? What is the British | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
Government going to do and please throw some light on this in this | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
debate in this House today because I'm so tired of hearing that sound | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
byte, no-one wishes to return to the borders of the past. The first thing | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
to say is of course there is an open border now and that's the existing | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
circumstance. I don't wish to give her sound bytes but I'll say this to | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
her. There are other borders and perhaps not quite the same security | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
issues are related to them, around Europe, Norway to Sweden for | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
example, where there is an open border maintained where you've got | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
Customs and Excise across the border but nevertheless it's frictionless | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
and that's what we'd aim for. On the security front, it's a question more | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
for my right honourable friend the Secretary of State for Northern | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
Ireland. Thank you Mr Speaker. Some 44% of | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
our exports currently go to the European Union. But does the | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
Secretary of State agree with me that in many respects that figure is | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
part of the problem given that just 7% of the world's population lives | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
in the EU. So does the Secretary of State agree with me that today's | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
decision to come out of the single market gives us a wonderful | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
opportunity to be more global and international with our trading | :23:38. | :23:46. | |
partners. A difficult one. My right honourable friend will know better | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
than me since, well in the last 16, 17 years, the balance of exports in | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
this country to Europe and the rest of the world has always turned | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
around. It was 60-40 in favour of Europe 20 years ago, it's now almost | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
60-40 the other way. That reflexes the growth rates in global markets | :24:05. | :24:12. | |
are much higher -- that reflects. That is one of the bonuses of exit | :24:13. | :24:22. | |
of the European Union. The Prime Minister's come up with a wish list | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
and a scorched earth policy of slashing taxes and Public Services | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
if she doesn't get what she wants. Given that many of the Secretary of | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
State's colleagues would regard that as an ideal snarl yes, it's the | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
economics model they would love to see implemented here, how is he | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
going to square that during the negotiations and ensure we homed out | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
for the best deal, rather than this deal which would be absolutely | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
terrible for this country? Ink it would help the honourable lady if | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
she read the speech with an impartial view. It says in terms, | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
the preferred outcome is that of the freest possible open market with the | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
European Union as well as the rest of the world and that's what we | :25:06. | :25:15. | |
intend to achieve. It's a statement of economic fact that a large part | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
of our economy is heavily dependent on unskilled hard-working migrants | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
from the European Union. Does he accept there is likely to still be | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
some unskilled migration in this country after we leave the EU and if | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
so, will it still be the case if at present that legally unskilled | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
migrants can only come to the EU or will our migration system be global | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
too? He's right that the level of unskilled migration is likely to | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
continue. Where from, how it's controlled, will all be a matter for | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
the new immigration policy which will be under the control of this | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
House. I keep returning to - my sgrob is to return the policy here | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
-- my job. Then it's the job of this house to make the right decision in | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
the British national interest and I'm sure we will. Thank you Mr | :26:04. | :26:14. | |
Speaker. My constituency voted stronger than anywhere else to leave | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
the European Union. I know that many people in Boston and Skegness will | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
welcome the lardty and tone of the announcement today. Does the | :26:23. | :26:24. | |
Secretary of State agree with me that when the people of Boston and | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
Skegness voted for this country to be able to control our immigration | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
policy and to be able to do our own trade deals, they were voting | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
knowingly to leave the customs union and the leave the single market? I | :26:36. | :26:45. | |
don't want to get into trying to interpret the inner thinkings of | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
this. But the advocates on both sides of the argument during the | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
campaign made it plain that they thought that leaving the European | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
Union meant leaving the single market so I can't think it was a | :26:56. | :27:05. | |
decision made in ignorance. The Secretary of State has said | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
maintaining the common area in Northern Ireland is important. This | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
time, for the first time ever, one partner will be a member of the | :27:14. | :27:16. | |
European Union and one will not be. Can he give some clarity to people | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
like myself who have a porous border with the Republic of Ireland whether | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
the common travel area will mean the free movement of people or will it | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
mean the freedom of movement, people, goods and capital. Because | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
many people travel with goods and will Welsh ports be subject to | :27:36. | :27:37. | |
customs? Firstly, he's right, and one of the | :27:38. | :27:53. | |
things I've discussed is that. The point that came across very clearly | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
was that the European Union is very proud of its position in the peace | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
process and does not want to jeopardise that. So I think we've | :28:01. | :28:08. | |
got a very - it will be treating, as indeed it was a 1949 Act, somebody | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
will know it, treats Irish citizens the same as British and vice versa. | :28:15. | :28:22. | |
Thank you Mr Speaker, I'm loathed to disagree with my Parliamentary | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
neighbour, people trying to build a statue of him in my constituency at | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
the moment. Stand that to one side, but I can't think of a single treaty | :28:31. | :28:37. | |
between the EU and another country which uses the ECJ to organise its | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
dispute issues. Every treaty the EU's ever signed, as far as I'm | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
aware, either uses an international arbitration system or the World | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
Trade Organisation. So there is absolutely no reason that the Right | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
Honourable friend and the Government couldn't achieve that in our own | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
negotiations. THE SPEAKER: I hope it were a | :29:02. | :29:09. | |
speaking statue, otherwise it wouldn't fully capture it. My right | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
honourable friend is right and indeed I cannot imagine most | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
countries doing deals with the European Union agreeing for the | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
European Union's own court to make the judgment. It would be an | :29:20. | :29:28. | |
independent, of course, in general. The Secretary of State's confirmed | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
that my constituents who're EU nationals will be used as bargaining | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
chips to secure the rights of EU nationals living in the UK. This is | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
already impacting our NHS, universities and the construction | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
sector amongst other sectors of the economy. Why won't he retain the | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
moral high ground on this issue and confirm the rights of EU nationals | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
living this the UK and their status as values members of the community | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
and important contributors to our economy and Public Services and then | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
seek to hold EU countries to the same high stand ahhed of | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
decision-making as regards the rights of UK nationals? The point | :30:03. | :30:10. | |
about doing it as a block is that it makes nobody a bargaining chip. Once | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
you start separating groups out, you turn the remainder into a bargaining | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
chip and we mustn't do that. We have a legal responsibility to our own | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
sit Zibs. -- citizens. Having said that, many times in every public | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
forum I speak in on this subject, that we are determined to get a good | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
guaranteed position for them. They should not worry. It needs us to get | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
all the other countries lined up to agree with us to do it. We tried to | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
do it, we wanted to do it earlier but we haven't been able to. We'll | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
do it as soon as we can. Will the minister explain what will | :30:50. | :30:57. | |
happen to fisheries? Well, with great respect to my right honourable | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
friend, I'm not going to go into every single sedge for of the -- | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
sector of the negotiation, but it's pretty plain that we have a very | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
strong hand on fisheries, I'll put it that way. Thank you, Mr Speaker. | :31:11. | :31:20. | |
It's a pity the Secretary of State was unable to attend the statement | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
by my right honourable friend, the Right Honourable Secretary of State | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
for Northern Ireland, for if he did he'd recognise the White Paper is a | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
catastrophe. That's what he called it in his statement. That is the | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
White Paper. Therefore to assure members of this House that the | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
Secretary of State - will the Secretary of State assure us that | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
the amendment will not be revoked either before or after Brexit and | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
that the United Kingdom Government will confirm that it will not impose | :31:52. | :31:59. | |
a hard border with their closest European Union member, Ireland. | :32:00. | :32:07. | |
I think I've said that many times. Thank you Mr Speaker. When | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
Switzerland voted in 2014 to restrict immigration, their future | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
participation in key EU research programmes was thrown into doubt. | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
Just a few weeks from the deadline they've reached a compromise | :32:21. | :32:22. | |
allowing them full participation. But this return for free movement | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
with some tweaks. Our science and research and university sector | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
demands no less. Today the Prime Minister offered no more than | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
aspiration, no plan at all for the sector. Two years of uncertainty | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
will do huge damage. Just how much damage is this Government prepared | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
to countenance to one of our key sectors? Well, as nonsense questions | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
go, that pretty much takes the biscuit. We've made it very plain | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
indeed, very plain indeed what we intend here. We are a dominant | :32:55. | :33:01. | |
scientific power in European Union, we have worked night and day to | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
ensure we guarantee the position of students. We will continue to do | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
that. If he just plays it down, he'll do harm to the very sector | :33:12. | :33:19. | |
he's supposedly trying to protect. Given almost everything that's been | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
said by the Prime Minister, and by the Brexit secretary today, is | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
incompatible with the Scottish Government, Scotland in Europe | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
compromise document, how does the UK Government plan to honour the | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
promise to take seriously those proposals, unless the Government now | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
plans to explore all options to support continuing Scottish | :33:38. | :33:43. | |
membership of the single market? As I answered earlier, we've got | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
that paper to appear before us in a few days' time. There is more than | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
just one component to it, of course. He talks as if it's only about the | :33:54. | :34:01. | |
so-called opt-out, they call it. But there's also questions in it about | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
devolution and about the treatment of employment. There's a question | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
about immigration. All of which we'll discuss at that time and we'll | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
treat it seriously, as we always have. | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
At the weekend it was reported that Michelle Barney, the EU negotiator | :34:18. | :34:24. | |
was prepared to contemplate a special deal for the city and the UK | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
Government have indicated they might look at special sector of deals for | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
the city and Nissan. Does the Secretary of State accept that there | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
is scope for the differentiated deal which the Scottish Government seeks | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
if he and his Prime Minister have the political will to support it? | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
Very unusually for the honourable lady she's not quite got Michelle | :34:48. | :34:53. | |
Barnier's statement right. What he is reported as saying I think he | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
subsequently denied it, is that he saw there were risks to the | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
financial stability of the European Union if they did not maintain open | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
access for the City of London. But she's also wrong in saying that we | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
have talked about special deals, for any sector, we haven't. The aim of | :35:10. | :35:17. | |
the British Government is to ensure that the whole economy succeeds as a | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
result of this policy, not just one part of it and that includes | :35:21. | :35:29. | |
Scotland too. The Secretary of State says that no | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
deal is better than a bad deal. But what he is not being clear about is | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
that no deal is a bad deal. Given the Chancellor told the Treasury | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
committee that the Prime Minister should enter the negotiations with | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
the widest possible range of options available, why is the Government | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
today chosen to rule out the best possible deal with the European | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
Union, which is membership of the single market, membership of the | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
customs union and as a result free flowing goods and trade with the | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
largest single market in the world on our own doorstep and access for | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
British businesses to half a billion customers? | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
Well, I don't know where the honourable gentleman was on 23 June | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
but the British people pretty much rejected that. | :36:12. | :36:21. | |
Brexit is a bigger factor in the political discolouration in Northern | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
Ireland at the minute, partly because the Good Friday Agreement | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
had common membership of the EU absolutely Jermaine to it and its | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
institutions. The Secretary of State would need to recognise that any | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
negotiations which follow these elections are going to follow | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
returning to and renewing fundamentals of the Good Friday | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
Agreement, that means people are going to be looking in respect of | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
Strand 2 about ensuring that the island of Ireland can work and be | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
worked as part of the European economic area into the future. The | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
question of when rights, when powers over rights are transferred or | :36:56. | :37:01. | |
devolved after the great repale bill will be a political area because | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
nobody in Northern Ireland is going to trust this House with diluting | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
rights before powers are then devolved where any attempt to prove | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
them with be vet I doed by the DUP as we have seen in the past. It | :37:14. | :37:20. | |
would be like asking Attila the Hun to mind your horse. Not sure I get | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
the reference. That's one of the reasons I wrote to the Northern | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
Ireland executive to make sure that we had representation in a joint | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
Ministerial committee during the course of this election process. I | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
don't foresee removal of any rights. As I said to a member in the Labour | :37:36. | :37:43. | |
Party earlier, my expectation is that this is one area where we | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
expect a great deal of co-operation from the European Commission to get | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
an outcome which is beneficial for everybody. | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
Can the Secretary of State tell the House why the other 27 members of | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
the European Union should give the UK the Ben fits of single market | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
membership without the costs with a bespoke deal that gives barrier free | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
and tariff free access to the single market when it sets a precedent and | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
an incentive for other EU states to leave the European Union, how is | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
that good for them? At the risk of repeating myself, to | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
pick one industry, one country, German car industry sells 800,000 | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
cars a year to the United Kingdom. I think it has every interest in | :38:28. | :38:36. | |
keeping that market open. The Prime Minister in her speech | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
this morning ended on a very gracious note. She said that the | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
victors in the Brexit debate in the UK should be magnanimous towards | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
those who lost. I put it to the Minister that magnanimous accepting | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
Scotland wants to stay in the single market and that discussions from now | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
on should at least leave the door open to that ask from Scotland. | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
As I said earlier that's - I said this to Mike Russell, that I have | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
not commented publicly on the report, even though I have read it | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
in detail, because I want to have an open discussion about it later. But | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
it does not mean that we are going to agree on everything but we are | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
going to treat it with respect. The EU is in the process of concluding | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
international trade deals with, for example, Japan and Canada, which the | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
UK Government has warmly supported believing they'll be good for the UK | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
economy, for example in the case of the Japanese deal I understand that | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
the UK Government estimate that is it could be worth 5 billion annually | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
to the British economy. How quickly can those deals be replaced when we | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
leave the European Union and what modelling has the Government done of | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
the potential cost to our economy if they can't quickly be replaced with | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
new deals? Little point modelling what's not | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
going to happen. The expectation is for many of the deals, the most | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
important ones for us, we will get, as it were, an immediate transfer | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
and then we will start talking about improving the deals between us. Not | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
all the European trade deals have actually been that beneficial for | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
Britain and some of these we could certainly improve. | :40:14. | :40:23. | |
I know the Secretary of State's assertion to control our own laws | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
and end the authority of the European Court of justice in the | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
United Kingdom, and I want to put on record I support that proposal. When | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
that takes place what will be the authority or standing of any | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
decision relative to the United Kingdom that has already been taken | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
by the European Court for the United Kingdom? | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
If he is talking about the standing of case law, which I assume is what | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
he means really, that will be frozen at the point that we leave then it's | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
up to us in this House whether we change that. | :40:57. | :41:05. | |
Free trade in goods is much easier to achieve than the free flow of | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
services where non-tariff problems - barriers are the problem. How will | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
the Government seek to ensure the continued success over time of the | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
UK financial service exports to Europe when we will no longer get a | :41:19. | :41:26. | |
say in the regulatory harp Monday ieation that's facilitated that | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
success so far. City UK which an trr in the area he is talking about, | :41:32. | :41:38. | |
talking about mutual recognition and an ex-terrible, rather than | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
passporting. We haven't arrived at a conclusion on that yet. He is quite | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
right, the goods side of it will be easier than that part lay because | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
the single market is incomplete any way in services but that | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
notwithstanding we have been successful in this area and he may | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
take it as read that we will continue to facilitate that success. | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
The Secretary of State will know that my constituency was the largest | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
vote Leave constituency in Northern Ireland, one of the largest vote | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
Leave constituencies in the United Kingdom. Can he confirm that it will | :42:13. | :42:20. | |
not fall for some flawed, special status, half-in, half-out | :42:21. | :42:22. | |
arrangement that's currently being sought by some people, that it will | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
give my constituents absolute clarity and certainty that the | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
Brexit deal will apply to all of Northern Ireland in this same way as | :42:31. | :42:32. | |
apply to the people in his constituency? | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
Yes, it will apply across the whole of the United Kingdom, as I said I | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
am trying not to predate other discussions. I will say this is that | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
in what we are doing in this negotiation, the interests of | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
Northern Ireland, particularly the interests of his constituency, will | :42:52. | :42:59. | |
be at the forefront of our thoughts. Three-quarters of my fellow citizens | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
in the great City of Edinburgh voted not to turn their back on the | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
European Union. Therefore, you will forgive me if I wholeheartedly do | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
not welcome today's statements. However, I do welcome the Secretary | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
of State's now repeated suggestion that he will take seriously the | :43:15. | :43:16. | |
proposals of the Scottish Government. Let me press him on this | :43:17. | :43:23. | |
matter. Some in his party have said that there can be no differentential | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
arrangements in the nations post-Brexit on principle, even when | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
it can be demonstrated they nr the benefit of the UK as a whole. Does | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
he share that view or will he consider proposals on their merits? | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
What I said already is that we will respect the view of the Scottish | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
Government on this but what I have also said it doesn't mean we agree | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
with all parts of it. Let me give one practical issue, which I have to | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
deal with, if nobody else, and that is that the leading Norwegian | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
members of FEDA have said that aspect he refers to will not work | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
for them and the Spanish Minister said it would not work for them | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
either, so we have hurdles to get over before that -- before that | :44:11. | :44:19. | |
becomes a runner. The new Brit tappic isolation that | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
the Government now seeks cannot be at the expense of EU nationals in | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
this country or UK nationals in Europe. The Secretary of State has | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
said he has tried to resolve this issue, they wanted to do so sometime | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
ago, so can he tell us exactly what the problem s what's the barrier in | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
his way from resolving that and how do we best get it lifted? | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
It requires all the members of the European Union togethers to agree. | :44:43. | :44:50. | |
The Prime Minister's fixation with leaving the jurisdiction of the | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
European Court of justice clearly risks jeopardising the extent of our | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
ongoing co-operation in EU justice in home affairs issue, which she | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
says also she values. If those ambitions Clwyd surely the Secretary | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
of State would agree that the issue of security must trump the issue of | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
leaving the European courts jurisdiction. We have security | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
arrangements with other allies which do not run into that problem. | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
America, for a start. So I wouldn't think that's an issue. | :45:17. | :45:26. | |
No deal is better than a bad deal. I am perplexed by this. How could a | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
negotiated deal possibly be worse than something that the Secretary of | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
State refers to as a cliff-edge? Is he really that bad at negotiation? | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
The honourable gentleman over there referred to a deal in which we had | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
to take all sorts of penalties from all sorts of European nations, that | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
would be a bad deal. Of all the laws and regulation that | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
is will be democratically repatriated to this parliament by | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
the great Repeal bill, which is the first one that the Secretary of | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
State himself would like to see reformed or repealed and when the | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
bill goes through can he guarantee that the rights of this particlement | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
to scrutinise legislation will be maintained and the bill will not be | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
the great power grab? The first one to repeal, I don't | :46:13. | :46:20. | |
have a favourite there. I will tell him the last one, and the last one | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
is the protection of the employment rights of UK citizens both in | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom, because I made the promise | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
from the first day in this job that that's one thing we are not going to | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
change. I am most grateful to the Secretary | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
of State for the experience of the last one hour and 46 minutes in | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
which we could - and my understanding is that no fewer than | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
84 back bench members had the opportunity to question the right | :46:57. | :46:58. | |
honourable gentleman so I hope that there has been a decent exploration | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
of the issues. I congratulate the right honourable gentleman on the | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
strength of his knee muscles. Point of order. Thank you. MrSpeaker, last | :47:10. | :47:16. | |
week during questions I asked the Minister for disabled people health | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
and work how people with mental health issues could continue to | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
receive appropriate support if the Glasgow Jobcentres were closed. The | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
Minister responded by saying and I quote, my honourable friend the | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
Minister for welfare reform has met Scottish ministers to discuss the | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
issue. Firstly, there is currently no Minister for welfare reform and | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
secondly, I have been informed by Scottish Ministerial colleagues no | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
such meetings have taken place. Would it be in order for the | :47:48. | :47:54. | |
Minister to come back to the chamber to clarify the situation? I was | :47:55. | :48:03. | |
about to respond but I see that the Minister on the Treasury bench is | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
very anxious to catch my eye and I don't want to disappoint her. | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
Minister. Thank you. Further to that point of order, in my answer I said | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
my honourable friend the Minister for employment has met with all the | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
MPs concerned about those locations across Glasgow and my honourable | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
friend the Minister for welfare reform has met Scottish ministers to | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
discuss this issue, referring to the honourable member for Romsey. I | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
should have said the Minister for welfare delivery. The Minister for | :48:37. | :48:39. | |
welfare reform is in the House of Lords. For that, I profusely | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
apologise. On these matters and others, not least devolution of | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
welfare, our doors are always open to meet with Scottish ministers and | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
good outcomes are contingent on good dialogue. I would not want this | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
point of order to give an otherwise contrary impression. | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
I think that's a very gracious acknowledgement of the situation by | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
the Minister and I feel the nod of the head confirms she's content with | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
that outcome. So I thank the Minister on the Treasury bench and | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
we will leave it there. If there are no further points of | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
order I think we come to the ten-minute rule motion for which the | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
honourable gentleman has been so patiently waiting. | :49:27. | :49:35. | |
I beg to move for leave to be give than I bring in a bill for people to | :49:36. | :49:42. | |
give his or her instructions for burial matters legally binding on | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
their personal representative or beneficiary to enable a person to | :49:46. | :49:47. | |
make provision about the use of a burr ideal space he or she acquired | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
while living after a person's burial and for connected purposes. It's | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
been a surprising two months for me in Parliament. I've been talking a | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
lot about death. We don't talk a lot about it inside or outside | :50:02. | :50:03. | |
Parliament given we all die though it should be more of a surprise that | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
we do not talk more about death. Apart from times when we are near to | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
death or personally affected by it, or when some of us plan for it in a | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
will, death is not usually on the agenda. There is an opportunity in | :50:18. | :50:20. | |
the week of the 8th May, death awareness week, to talk more about | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
death and I commend that to the honourable members. | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
Let's hope, Mr Speaker, that week will not coincide with the final | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
moments of our believed Arsenal's champions ambitions. Last month, I | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
steered through a private Bill which the minister who is present will | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
recall which gives our local new Southgate cemetery the power to use | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
old graves which will need to be replicated in the UK to make more | :50:50. | :50:55. | |
spaces available. There is a distressing case of one of my | :50:56. | :50:58. | |
constituents watching in the gallery. After Marion's father died | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
in 2009, her mother gave money to her sister to buy him a plot on her | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
behalf. Unbeknown to the mother, her daughter registered the grave in her | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
name and gained exclusive rights to decide who is buried and what | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
monument is placed on the grave. When Marion's mother died in 2014, | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
she assumed ownership of her late husband's grave and Marion also | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
appointed next of kin. Her dying wish was to have her ashes scattered | :51:24. | :51:29. | |
on her late husband's grave. It was only when Marion contacted the | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
cemetery to make the necessary arrangements that it came to light | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
that her sister, now estranged from the rest of the family, was the | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
grave owner. She's refused to allow her mother's ashes to be scattered | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
on her father's grave. Or even allow a stone to be erected. Marion's | :51:46. | :51:49. | |
asked me, along with her family, to change the law so that wishes of | :51:50. | :51:57. | |
mothers and fathers can be honoured and not thwarted. The most high | :51:58. | :52:04. | |
profile case stemmed from the remains of Richard III. Descendants | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
of the King pitted against the less notorious the then Lord Chancellor | :52:11. | :52:12. | |
my right honourable friend the member for Epsom and York. They | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
attempted to have their ancestor laid to rest in York Minster to have | :52:19. | :52:25. | |
plans to have him buried there some 115 years ago. His body remained in | :52:26. | :52:49. | |
Leicester, in spite of his wishes. When relatives are unable to fulfil | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
the wishes of a departed loved one. A nan died leaving four daughters | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
behind, a decision was made to put the deeds of the grave in the name | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
of the youngest daughter. She became unwell and uncontactable. When the | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
late nan's sister died and wished to be interned in the family grave, | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
there were problems. It took six years to sort out and eventually get | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
an updated headstone on the grave. Grave owners shouldn't be able to | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
block out other family members from their family grave. I read on | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
various forums of family disputes arriving from remarriage where say | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
the father dies and step mother arranges the funeral, pays for the | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
grave and registers ownership in her name. She gains exclusive rights to | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
erect a memorial and pass on future use of the grave to her family at | :53:37. | :53:39. | |
the exclusion of the late husband's family. Or there is the example of | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
the grave plot being put in the name of the older son on the insistence | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
of the directors. The aggrieved young sister is now concerned that | :53:49. | :53:56. | |
if her mother dies is and is buried to a family plot, she the sister | :53:57. | :54:04. | |
says, I don't know where I'll be buried, I don't have any other | :54:05. | :54:13. | |
family. There is an issue raised to me in | :54:14. | :54:20. | |
Sussex where there's refusal to allow internment of ashes to a grave | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
because a relative moved out of the parish to retirement and lived 0.3 | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
miles from the boundary despite being resident in the former village | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
for some 50 years. Finally there is the connected issue | :54:34. | :54:40. | |
of funeral arrangements. They're cases when the deceased, such as for | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
a religious funeral, may be at odds with the arrangements of the | :54:46. | :54:47. | |
surviving family. All the cases, as has been mentioned in the House now | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
on many occasions when funerals cost too much and lead to funeral | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
property so were highlighted by the experience and campaigning of the | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
honourable member for Swansea East. Madam Deputy Speaker, arrangements | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
for burials and funerals have become bureaucratic and expensive and in | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
some cases contrary to the wishes of the person who's died. We can and | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
must do Bert. We cannot say we have been warned in this House. Since | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
2004, the then Home Secretary Deb said, our burial law is out-of-date | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
and needs reform -- we can do better. | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
There was a conclusion in 2007, there was public support for reform | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
but it's not a priority. My burial rights reform Bill today | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
provides an opportunity to give collar the I to relatives who're | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
confused and aggrieved by the opaque laws in relation to funeral and | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
burial arrangements. The law is clear to the extent that dead bodies | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
have no rights. In common law there is no property in body. The | :55:50. | :55:58. | |
overriding legal maximum is that the only lawful possession of a corpse | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
is the earth. Perhaps more surprising, there are no laws | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
governing funerals but only the disposal of bodies, even a will | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
setting out our funeral wishes is not legally binding because wills | :56:12. | :56:14. | |
are about property and not about a dead body. Recent court cases have | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
tried to apply the Human Rights Act to apply rights on a dead body but | :56:20. | :56:22. | |
the law is unclear. To follow a theme that we have heard about | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
today, it's about time Parliament takes control on burial issue rights | :56:29. | :56:36. | |
or the wishes of a person who's died and their wishes. | :56:37. | :56:43. | |
Normally these actions take place without concern and is normally done | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
by the next of kin of the deceased. The problem is this exclusive right | :56:48. | :56:50. | |
of burial is determined by whoever buys the lease for the grave plot. | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
If your name is not on the deed, you've got no right to be buried | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
there or have a memorial or enscription put on that grave. My | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
Bill will ensure that the wishes of the person are properly carried out | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
by surviving relatives and that the ownership of graves shouldn't mean | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
exclusive rights for one family member to use against another. The | :57:12. | :57:15. | |
only answer when there is a family dispute about grave ownership | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
currently is to consult a solicitor and conduct expensive litigation. | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
The issue of respecting the wishes of the deceased commands a less | :57:25. | :57:30. | |
contentious approach. There should be a requirement for parties to take | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
greater responsibility for their consideration for the deceased | :57:34. | :57:36. | |
wishes for burial arrangements and to give greater significance to any | :57:37. | :57:42. | |
existing will or public register. A proposed Bill is a public burial | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
register similar to the organs donation register allowing wishes to | :57:47. | :57:49. | |
be clearly identified without necessarily having a will and | :57:50. | :57:55. | |
avoiding subsequent family disputes. A clearly expressed binding electric | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
laration of our final wishes will seek to remove the pressures of | :58:00. | :58:11. | |
burial issues at such a testing time -- binding declaration. Perhaps | :58:12. | :58:14. | |
there can be no better way to honour the dead than to give life to the | :58:15. | :58:21. | |
their final wishes. THE SPEAKER: The question is that | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
the honourable member have leave to bring in his Bill. Chris Bryant. | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
Madam Deputy Speaker. I pay tribute to the honourable member for | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
advancing this cause today but I can't agree with him and I'll | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
explain why. I've probably conducted more funerals than anybody else in | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
this chamber when I was a curate in All Saints High Wycombe. The first | :58:44. | :58:46. | |
funeral I did, the undertaker put his glasses in his top pocket, as he | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
lent over to let the coffin down into the grave, and the glasses fell | :58:52. | :58:54. | |
on top of the coffin and he then had to clamber in on top. The second | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
funeral I conducted was at the crematorium and unfortunately the | :59:01. | :59:02. | |
organist at the end of the service played, smoke gets in your eyes, | :59:03. | :59:08. | |
which was everybody else realised was somewhat inappropriate. The last | :59:09. | :59:14. | |
funeral I conducted, the family was very, very divided and the | :59:15. | :59:19. | |
ex-husband was not instraighted to the funeral but suddenly appeared in | :59:20. | :59:22. | |
the middle of the service and started shouting and screaming at me | :59:23. | :59:25. | |
and the family all shouted "how on earth did you get here, we locked | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
you in the bathroom" and he said "you didn't lock the bathroom window | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
so I climbed out and climbed down the ivy". | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
So I've seen a lot of funerals and I know the pain and difficulty of | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
which the honourable member speaks. But my beef is not particularly with | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
the remedy that he's seeking, though I think to be honest burial reform | :59:49. | :59:53. | |
and funeral reform in general needs to be conducted on the basis of a | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
Law Commission proposal so that it binds the whole of the legal | :59:59. | :00:05. | |
profession and takes it out of party political discussion, du it's more | :00:06. | :00:07. | |
to do with the fact that, as he started, of course, as we start with | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
every ten-minute rule Bill, he begs leave to introduce his Bill and I | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
don't think we should give him leave to introduce his Bill. I say so for | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
a very simple point which is that we have only five more Fridays when | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
we'll be sitting this session before the end of this session when any | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
Bill will have to become law. It will have to have gone through all | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
three stages in this House and in the House of Lords, or will simply | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
fall. There are 73 Bills private members Bills all ready seeking | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
second reading on the order paper of future order papers to be considered | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
on the five days. Plus, there are bills that have been given second | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
reading, quite a lot of them in fact, one of them is in committee, | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
that's the homelessness bill honoured by the member for harrow | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
East and will be coming out of the committee tomorrow. Then in the | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
normal process, it should be the awards of Valuev ourself Private | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
Members Bill honoured by the member for Dartford that goes into | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
committee followed one would have thought by the one for my right | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
honourable friend for North West Durham which is the Parliamentary | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
constituency's amendment bill. But so far, the Government has not yet | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
brought forward a money resolution and is not saying whether it's going | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
to let that happen at all. In addition to that, the Government | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
only this week has said it's turned its back on the reforms to the | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
Private Members Bills process that the procedure committee have called | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
for in successive years and successive Members of Parliament. So | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
even if every single element of what the honourable member is proposing | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
were right, the truth of the matter is, it's an act of deception for the | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
House to send it into its next process, to allow him to present its | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
Bill because the truth of the matter is, it has absolutely no chance of | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
getting anywhere. So I make the speech, madam deputy spiker, for the | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
simple reason that I think we could use our Friday mornings better. We | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
should not have a system of private members Bills which mines that we | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
completely and utterly waste our time and deceive the public about | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
the true process of what is happening in this House. | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
Consequently I say, I disagree with the honourable gentleman, though I | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
applaud his motives. THE SPEAKER: Hm! The question is | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
that the honourable member have leave to bring in the Bill while the | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
House has a big decision to make. As many are of that opinion say aye. As | :02:40. | :02:48. | |
many of the contrary say no. I think the ayes have it. The ayes have it. | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
Who will prepare and bring in the Bill? | :02:56. | :03:05. | |
(Reads out the list of those who'll bring in the Bill) | :03:06. | :03:35. | |
THE SPEAKER: Burial Rights Reform Bill. Second reading what day? 24th | :03:36. | :03:50. | |
March. 24th March. 24th March. Order. We now come to the opposition | :03:51. | :04:00. | |
day. Motion in the name of the leader of the Scottish National | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
Party on the effect of the UK leaving the EU, on the rural | :04:06. | :04:13. | |
economy. The amendment in the name of the Prime Minister. | :04:14. | :04:22. | |
Thank you very much. I beg to move that this House is concerned at the | :04:23. | :04:32. | |
impact on the rural economy of the United Kingdom leaving the European | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
Union. We want to use this debate today to consider the significant | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
and tangible benefits the EU membership has afforded the Scottish | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
rural community through funding, trade and freedom of movement. These | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
benefits must be acknowledged and the Government must offer a clear | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
statement prior to triggering Article 50 on how they intend to | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
mitigate the impact of leaving the EU when it comes to rural areas. | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
They must do so now because the combined threat of the loss of | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
direct funding, end to tariff free trading and the abolition of free | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
movement of people could have devastating consequences for rural | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
communities across Scotland and indeed the rest of the UK. The Prime | :05:22. | :05:29. | |
Minister puts forward 12 points today but people in my constituency | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
are not reassured because it lacks detail and certainty. We are told | :05:36. | :05:43. | |
that Brexit is about a more global Britain and that this process will | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
represent a clean break. Well let me be absolutely clear in stating how | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
far removed from reality that rhetoric is. Under the Government's | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
current direction of travel Brexit will not be a clear break for the | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
sheep farmers in my constituency whose produce could face prohibitive | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
tariffs and whose direct support payments could be wiped out. It will | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
not and clean break for the fish processors in Shetland where more | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
fish was landed than in the entirety of England and Wales in 2015 but | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
whose access to the largest seafood market in the world is now under | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
question. Nor will there be a clean break for the soft fruit farmer in | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
Angus when the plug is pulled on seasonal labour, his business needs | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
to function. It will not be a clean break for the most remote highland | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
communities that are now contemplating the loss of hundreds | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
of millions of pounds in European regional development funding. We | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
find ourselves facing a combination once again of Tory indifference to | :06:48. | :06:55. | |
the needs of the Scottish economy and a dramatic democratic deficit. I | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
will give way. I am very grateful to the honourable gentleman for giving | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
way and he and his party are optimistic people and rays of | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
sunshine in this House, I wonder if he can't see any possible benefit to | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
the Scottish rural economy, particularly fisheries, the European | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
policy on which decimated the Scottish fishing industry. I thank | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
the honourable member. You will find that we are optimists at heart. But | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
what this debate is about is the reality, it's about the implications | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
for the rural economy and I will with great delight return to the | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
matter of fishing. I would like to make more progress and I promise I | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
will give way in a little bit more time. Nowhere - I apologise. As with | :07:42. | :07:50. | |
many complex challenges of Brexit pile-up, we knead to remember that | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
real political leadership is about finding solutions, not soundbites. | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
Our debate is necessary - one moment. Our debate is necessary to | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
ensure that the Government does not overlook or downplay all the | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
possible outcomes of Brexit, they must not walk away from the policy | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
vacuum that is opening up before our eyes. I will give way. I am | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
grateful. If we devolve more agricultural policy powers to the | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
Scottish nationalists, they cannot think of a single way on which they | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
could improve policy to help their farmers. The right honourable | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
gentleman usually makes excellent contributions, I am afraid that was | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
a poor one, because actually there are many ways in which we will be | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
delighted to improve agricultural policy, so long as his Government | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
don't do a power grab as powers return from Brussels. I would be | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
delighted. I will happenive give way. Would my honourable friend also | :08:57. | :09:03. | |
agree that 70% of farmers' incomes comes through CAP which is not | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
subject to Barnet, but if it comes back to the UK it may be subject to | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
Barnet which would leave to a significant reduction in funds | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
available to roar Scotland? I thank my honourable friend for that | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
excellent contribution. It brings me on to one of the first areas I want | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
to look at, nowhere is the policy vacuum more apparent than on the | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
issue of farm payments. Whatever the flaws, and there are flaws - I will | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
give way. Could I thank my honourable friend for giving way and | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
congratulate him on making some very compelling points. In the Northern | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
Ireland context, we have a similar situation where 80% of farm incomes | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
are dependent on European resources. There is a fear and would he agree | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
with me that sort of funding is not likely to come from the Treasury, | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
thus undermining our local rural economy and our agricultural | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
enterprises? I thank the honourable lady for that contribution. I | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
wholeheartedly agree and it's something I would like us to focus | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
on in this debate, the importance of these support payments to the | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
prosperity, not just of fafrming but of the whole rural community. We | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
have two debates squeezed in time today. So, as I say, nowhere is the | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
policy vacuum more apparent, because wherever its flaws, money invested | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
in Scotland and throughout the UK and rural communities through the | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
common agricultural policy are absolutely vital in underpinning the | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
rural economy. As my honourable friend mentioned farm payments | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
account for two-thirds of total net farm income in Scotland. And as has | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
mentioned, we have 8. 4% of the population, but 32. 5% of the land | :10:56. | :11:06. | |
mass and Scotland received 16. 5% of UKCAP funds. I will give way. I | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
thank the honourable gentleman. Many farmers in Scotland like Lancashire | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
will be involved in upland sheep farming which I am sure all sides of | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
the House would acknowledge is often a difficult business for farmers. | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
Does he not think if we leave the European Union this is an | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
opportunity for the Government to refocus support on those most | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
marginal of farms he is talking about, specifically the uphill farms | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
in Lancashire and Scotland, because farmers in Lancashire are hoping for | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
more from Brexit just as farmers in Scotland will be hoping for more. I | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
thank him for that intervention. Sheep farm something one of our most | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
fragile industries and I have deep concerns about the support going | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
forward. What we must do and the point I want to make here is about | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
the level of funding because we need the Government to step up and I | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
would like to also come back to lamb when we look at trade because it is | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
one of the most threatened trade areas. I will give way. I thank my | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
honourable friend. He is being most generous in giving way. Addressing | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
the point he made earlier in the lack of detail in the Prime | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
Minister's statement would my honourable friend agree that the | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
Government should have taken the report as summarised in a letter | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
which I have here to the Secretary of State for environment, by the | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
British ecological society, the chartered institute of ecology and | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
environment, the institution of environmental science, these are the | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
people we should be listening to and these are details the Government | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
should be including in their letters. I thank my honourable | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
friend for his intervention and it's a point well made. Agriculture is | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
already devolved area, so as powers are repatriated from Brussels it's | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
essential that they go directly to the Scottish Government. Any power | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
grab from a Westminster Government would be totally unacceptable. We | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
absolutely understand the need for levels of commonality but that is | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
not a justification for a power grab by Westminster. We need a commitment | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
from this Government that the existing allocation of funds will | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
not be tampered with once the convergence is added to the 16. 5%, | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
that is the starting point in terms of funds that should be delivered to | :13:37. | :13:43. | |
Scotland. Now throughout last year's referendum campaign both the | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
Secretary of State and the farming Minister who I understand is in | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
Scotland argued for Brexit and it's now incumbent upon them to take | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
responsibility for the commitments made during that campaign. In March | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
last year, the farming Minister said, and I wrote, the UK Government | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support or | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
perhaps even more as they - yet this commitment appears already to have | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
been abandoned. Earlier this month the Secretary of State, the farming | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
Minister and I were at the Oxford conference and both the Secretary of | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
State and the farming Minister refused to confirm that funding | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
would at least match levels current levels beyond 2020. Now will the | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
Secretary of State take this opportunity today to make a clear | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
commitment that Brexit as the farming Minister promised, will not | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
result in a reduction in the level of funding available for farmers or | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
is this another Brexit broken promise? Now we acknowledge that CAP | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
is far from perfect and we recognise that there is now an opportunity to | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
design a new and better system. We also accept that there must be a | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
route to sustainable farming without direct income support but this must | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
be an evolution that takes great care over the fragility of the rural | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
economy. CAP is about much more than just farming. In Scotland, EU | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
funding has helped to support the rollout of superfast broadband, | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
business development, housing investment and measures to address | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
rural fuel poverty, in addition to improvements in infrastructure and | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
transport through regional development funds. We need the | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
Government to explain whether it will match this kind of programme, | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
the funding and, if so, more detail the better, please, Secretary of | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
State. Another area where the rural economy has benefitted massively | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
from EU membership is freedom of movement. For significant portions | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
of the Scottish rural economy access to seasonal workforce is a vital | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
factor in keeping their operations sustainable. At any one time between | :16:08. | :16:18. | |
five and 15,000 non-UKEU workers are employed in Scottish agriculture | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
alone. So we support continued freedom of movement because it's a | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
system that works, not just for farming, and food production, but a | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
range of sectors in rural Scotland, especially in these fragile and | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
often ageing populations. I happily give way. I represent Angus which | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
along with my honourable friends in Perthshire, has the most of the | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
numbers of economic migrants into Scotland because they work in the | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
horticultural industry. Many of these industries could not survive | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
without that labour. Members talk about the unemployed taking the | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
jobs, there are more migrant workers working in that industry alone than | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
there are unemployed in our areas. Even if all those unemployed people | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
could take up these jobs, so we do need these people and the Government | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
need to take that into account. I notice the Secretary of State at the | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
recent Oxford conference hinted there might be some relaxation of | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
this and could she give more details when she comes to speak. I thank my | :17:29. | :17:40. | |
honourable friend for -- it emphasises the point I was making. | :17:41. | :17:47. | |
We must have powers over imI gos devolved in order to pursue our own | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
distinct policy. Members opposite may laugh. Can I respectfully | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
suggest that they read Scotland's place in Europe, because this is | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
what a plan for Brexit actually looks like. Now in the meantime, | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
though, I know the Secretary of State understands the importance of | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
seasonal workers in particular in the rural economy, so I would like | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
to hear today what steps DEFRA is taking to ensure the rural economy | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
doesn't grind to a halt because seasonal workers are already | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
beginning to look elsewhere. Now one area where members opposite get very | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
animated and excited of course because there is an opportunity, is | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
fishing. We welcome the chance to move beyond the common fisheries | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
policy but we will not forget, we on these benches will not forget the | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
circumstances in which this was all... Ted Heath, a Conservative | :18:50. | :18:58. | |
Prime Minister, sacrificed the expendable Scottish fishing industry | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
to gain entry to the European Economic Community. They may not | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
like that, but that's why we are in the position we are in. We won't | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
take lectures from any members opposite. The legacy of that deal | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
means today that over half of the fish in our waters are caught by | :19:19. | :19:26. | |
foreign vessels. Brexit clearly will mean the re-establishment of our | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
exclusive economic zones but the process here is key. I hope he | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
enjoyed his visit to Scotland. Hopefully ofs learning about the | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
importance of honouring the level of payments that is currently received | :19:44. | :19:44. | |
in Scottish communities. Access to the EEZ should be | :19:45. | :20:00. | |
negotiated on an annual basis and led by Scottish ministers. These | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
negotiations must not form part of Brexit talks. Scottish fishermen | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
want to hear a clear commitment from the Secretary of State to the | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
Scottish fishing industry, indeed the UK fishing industry, that it | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
will not just be another pawn in a Brexit negotiation. Finally I would | :20:22. | :20:30. | |
like to turn to the issue of trade. In particular the important question | :20:31. | :20:41. | |
of access to the single market. The numbers speak for themselves. Worth | :20:42. | :20:53. | |
?724 million in 2015. I'll give way. Just on the issue of trade and | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
figures, in circumstances where two thirds of Scottish exports go to the | :20:58. | :21:05. | |
UK and only 15 go to other country, why is the SNP suggesting we stay in | :21:06. | :21:16. | |
Europe but we come out of the UK? I don't understand why members of zit | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
don't get this. It was as though if we were to go independent we'd be | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
cut off and float off into the Atlantic. It's not what happens. Are | :21:25. | :21:36. | |
you seeing the Ireland Brexit minister said it would be able to | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
trade freely with the UK but Scotland wouldn't. We buy more from | :21:41. | :21:49. | |
you than you buy from us. THE SPEAKER: I can't let the | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
honourable gentleman away with it. I know what he meant but maybe he | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
could just say it the right way just to keep me happy? Apologies, Madam | :21:58. | :22:05. | |
Deputy Speaker, I get a bit excited. I'll always be passionate defending | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
my constituency in rural Scotland against those that want to do it | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
harm based on hard right Tory Brexit. Thank you to my right | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
honourable friend for giving way, he's very generous. On the subject | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
of trade, will my right honourable friend agree with me that the EU is | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
Scotland's growth market area where we have seen an increase in exports | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
of 20% since 2007 in relation to goods. I thank the honourable lady, | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
she makes an excellent point. If you look at the numbers, in terms of | :22:43. | :22:50. | |
different industries, for fishing, 68% of Scottish seafood exports that | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
leave the UK go to EU countries. 80% of beef and lamb exports from | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
Scotland are destined for the EU. Now, I'm with the EU as we hear the | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
Government try to carve out a policy. These will be at risk of | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
tariffs. I want to just look at the risk this poses. If we take one | :23:12. | :23:18. | |
example, red meat. Quality meat Scotland has conducted analysis that | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
shows if we were subject to the current tariffs that apply to non-EU | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
countries, there would be an on average 50% increase in cost for | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
importers to buy our products. At the Oxford farming conference, the | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
Secretary of State spoke of fields of opportunity that in the press | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
conference afterwards admitted that the UK exports would decline if they | :23:42. | :23:49. | |
were erected. There is the prospect that exporters in Scotland and | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
indeed the whole UK are facing. We call upon the Secretary of State to | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
outline what products the department thinks should be prioritised in | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
upcoming negotiations. At the end of the day, there is no | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
easy way to withdraw from the world's largest trading block and | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
the search for alternative markets and compromises too. Let me give you | :24:16. | :24:23. | |
an example. The current standing of beef, it currently stands at 26.5%. | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
South Africa's currently 40%. Does the Government really think that | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
alternative markets, many with lower costs of production than our own, | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
can compensate for restricted access to the EU? The recent success of | :24:40. | :24:50. | |
Scotland's 14 billion - I was slightly taken by that figure - ?14 | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
billion food and drink sector shows that we are already an exporting | :24:56. | :25:04. | |
global country. New tablings cannot mitigate the economic vandalism of | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
cutting off access to a market of 500 million people on your doorstep. | :25:11. | :25:26. | |
Madam Deputy Speaker, if all the tangible benefits of single market | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
membership end up being frittered away in a pursuit of red, white and | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
blue Brexit, global Brexit, the Scottish people who've shown that | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
they want to build, not sever their links with Europe, will recognise a | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
familiar pattern. They'll recall the sacrifice of the Scottish fisheries | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
when we joined the EU, that the Thatcher Government decimated the | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
industry in the '80s, and they'll conclude this Tory Government with | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
no mandate for the damage it may cause will wreck Scotland's rural | :26:03. | :26:10. | |
economy and ignore our overwhelming wish to the trade links with Europe. | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
If this Government's already made a calculation that rural Scotland is | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
expendable in order to engineer a clean break with Europe, they can | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
never again turn to us, turn to the people of Scotland and claim the | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
union is a partnership of equals. Will the Government take this | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
opportunity to recognise the potentially devastating impact that | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
a hard Brexit could have on the Scottish rural economy? Or will they | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
be content to make a desert or rural Scotland in the name of Brexit? | :26:47. | :26:55. | |
THE SPEAKER: The question is as on the order paper to move the | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
amendment in the name of the Prime Minister, Secretary of State Andrea | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
Leadsom. Thank you. It won't surprise the honourable gentleman to | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
know that I don't quite see it the same way he does, so I beg to move | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
the amendment in my name and those of my right honourable friends on | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
the order paper. I would like to start by thanking the honourable | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
member for giving us the opportunity to debate the rural economy, a vital | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
part of our national economy. While members on all sides of the House | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
will know how diverse the rural economy is, much of it is | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
underpinned by our food, farming and fisheries sectors. These industries | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
have shaped all four parts of the UK and continue to do so. They're | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
central to our heritage, landscapes and economic well-being. They | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
generate ?110 billion for the economy each year and they employ | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
one in eight of us in all parts of the UK. So we should all be proud of | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
the world class food and drink these industries produce and the role they | :28:01. | :28:07. | |
play in our national life. The rural economy matters enormously. So | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
whilst leaving the EU offers huge opportunities to the farming and | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
fisheries sector, it's vital that we provide the industry with as much | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
continuity and certainty as we can. That's why we've already provided | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
reassurance to all farmers across the UK that they'll receive the same | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
level of financial support under pillar 1 until 2020 and for Rural | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
Development Programmes, agry environment schemes and the maritime | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
and fisheries fund, we'll guarantee projects signed before the EU for | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
their lifetime, even when this stretch is beyond our departure from | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
the EU. The Government will also ensure the | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
devolved administrations are funded to meet the commitments they've made | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
under current EU budget allocations. Given that the administration of EU | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
funding is devolved, it will be for those administrations to decide the | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
criteria used to assess projects. I'll give way. I thank the | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
honourable lady for giving way. I would like to believe the promises | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
this Government is making but of course the Government's - if we go | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
back to the convergence uplifting criteria - Scotland wouldth was | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
supposed to be rewarded by the funds coming from the EU, yet we are only | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
getting 16%. We were promised a review would take place in 2016, it | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
hasn't happened. When will that happen and when will crofters and | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
farmers get what is due to them? The real question about devolution of | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
agriculture to the Scottish Government and Parliament is to make | :29:43. | :29:44. | |
sure that we get the correct funding. It's not about up to 2020, | :29:45. | :29:51. | |
it's about what happens after that. Well, I do recognise the honourable | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
gentleman's point and it is something that I continue to look | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
closely at in my department and I will keep him up-to-date with | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
progress on it. But Madam Deputy Speaker, I believe that leaving the | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
EU will give us the chance to develop policies for the rural | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
economy that are bespoke to the needs of this country, rather than | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
the different approaches and circumstances of 278 different | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
member states. As Secretary of State for DEFRA, I've made very clear my | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
two long-term ambitions. Firstly, to make a resounding success of our | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
world leading food and farming and fisheries industry, producing more, | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
selling more and exporting more of our Great British food. And | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
secondly, to become the first generation to leave the environment | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
in a better state than we found it. These ambitions look far beyond | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
tomorrow. They're about long-lasting change and real reform. They form | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
the bedrock of a balanced approach to policy and the success of one is | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
integral to the success of the other. I thank manufacture for | :30:55. | :31:03. | |
giving way. She'll be aware that one of the difficulties under the | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
current legislation which the sector faces is honest food labelling -- I | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
thank my right honourable friend for giving way. It may well have been | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
grown or farmed a long way overseas. This is a real opportunity, leaving | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
the European Union, one real opportunity here, to have honest | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
food labelling so we know British food is genuinely farmed and grown | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
and produced in this country. Well, I share my right honourable | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
friend's concerns and I can tell him that it's something we have improved | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
on greatly through voluntary and compulsory schemes through labelling | :31:42. | :31:43. | |
and he's right, particularly as we leave the EU. | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
So this brings me to the mechanics of our departure from the EU. The | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
great Repeal Bill will transpose the body of EU legislation into UK law. | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
As UK law, we'll then be annual basis able to change or amend it at | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
our leisure and we'll soon be publishing a Green Party consulting | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
on a framework for the plan for the environment -- green paper. This | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
will help inform our decisions, better connect current and future | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
generations to the environment and ensure that investment is directed | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
to where it will have the biggest impact on the environment. | :32:18. | :32:25. | |
I'm sure all honourable members will agree that our constituents want | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
clean beaches, clean air, clean water, good soil and healthy | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
biodiversity, whether we are a member of the EU or not, and I can | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
assure you of my full commitment to that. Will my right honourable | :32:38. | :32:46. | |
friend make it a priority to publish proposals for the fishing industry | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
where we can catch more of our own fish and protect our fishing grounds | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
for the future. I'm grate. To my right honourable friend who makes a | :32:55. | :32:56. | |
very good point about the potential for all UK fishing and I do hope | :32:57. | :33:03. | |
that our policies, when we come to them, after consultation, will | :33:04. | :33:05. | |
enable us to deliver exactly as he asks for. | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
I will give way to the honourable lady. | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
Today, the Prime Minister made a passing reference to Spanish | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
fishermen and their interests when she was talking about doing a deal | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
with the EU. That suggests that fishing is already in play in these | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
negotiations so can the Secretary of State clarify, what is the Prime | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
Minister offering to Spanish fishermen and why are they being | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
used as pawns in this process already? Well, I can assure the | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
honourable lady that we are not entering into any negotiations, as | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
she will appreciate, until we have triggered Article 50. We are | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
consulting widely with our colleagues in the devolved | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
administrations and any negotiating positions will be discussed with | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
them. So I don't think she needs to worry about that. However, I would | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
like to point out to honourable members that a healthier environment | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
will enable our world leading food, farming and fishing industry to go | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
from strength-to-strength. As pledged in the manifesto, our | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
upcoming green paper on food, farming and fisheries, will set out | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
a framework for the future of the industries over the next 25 years | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
and we'll also be consulting widely on that green paper. | :34:19. | :34:27. | |
Auto I thank my honourable friend for giving way. With farming in | :34:28. | :34:34. | |
Lancashire we have decisions made in Europe that damage our industry, a | :34:35. | :34:46. | |
perfect example of this is movement of cattle between Commons counts as | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
movement, ensuring that a farmer may have 15 movements in the life of | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
just his herd which reduces the price that he gets at market. Will | :34:53. | :35:00. | |
she commit to make sure that this is altered? Yes There is a lengthy | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
answer to that but a much shorter answer which is that opportunities | :35:05. | :35:07. | |
that arise from leaving the EU do include such points as the one he | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
raises and in consulting on our food farming and fisheries Green Paper | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
there will be the opportunity to make those points and seek recommend | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
tees, I want to give a few examples of how our departure gives us | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
specific opportunities. Firstly to design a domestic successor to the | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
common agricultural policy that meets our needs, rather than those | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
of farmers across the entire European Union. Secondly, to ensure | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
our fisheries industries are competitive, sustainable and | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
profitable. Thirdly, to make our environment cleaner, healthier and | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
more productive. Ours will be a system that is fit for the 2 ist | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
century, tailored to our priorities and those of our farmers, fishermen | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
and our environment. The UK guarantee on funding was my first | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
priority on arriving at DEFRA in the summer, it provides crucial | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
certainty to farmers and the wider rural economy but I am conscious | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
that many farmers and rural businesses plan much further ahead | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
and work to much longer investment cycles so it's vital that we start | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
planning now for life beyond 2020. So it's important that we think | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
carefully about what happens next and develop the ideas and solutions | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
for a world leading food and farming industry and an environment that's | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
left in a better state than we inherited it. That will involve | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
focussing on the industry's resilience, unlocking further | :36:40. | :36:41. | |
productivity and building environmental considerations into | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
our policies from the outset. I believe that the fundamentals of our | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
food and farming sectors are strong. Food and drink is the largest | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
manufacturing sector in the UK, bigger than cars and aerospace | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
combined. Leaving the EU will provide more opportunities for the | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
sector to thrive. It's important to take stock of how much we already | :37:07. | :37:15. | |
export to outside the EU. 69% of exports of scotch whisky go to | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
non-EU countries. Salmon exports, predominantly from Scotland, go to | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
non-EU countries and non-EU dairy exports are up by over 90%. Leaving | :37:26. | :37:33. | |
the EU will allow us to shape our own trade and investment | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
opportunities, encourage even greater openness with partners in | :37:37. | :37:48. | |
Europe and beyond. I sign seerly hope that keeps shouting will read | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
this in Hansard, they're not interested. I will give way once | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
they listen to me in a moment. We will shape our own trade and | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
investment opportunities, encourage even greater openness with partners | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
in Europe and beyond and put Britain firmly at the forefront of global | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
trade and investment. The recent launch of our international action | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
plan for exports with nine campaigns across a number of global markets | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
demonstrates our ambition in this area, an ambition that builds on our | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
strength as a great outward looking trading nation. Now turning to | :38:21. | :38:27. | |
Scotland. Scotland has always been at the - only for good behaviour. | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
Has always been at the heart of this success. Accounting for 30% of the | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
UK's total exports of food, feed and drink in 2015. One of the highlights | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
of my trip to Vietnam last year was a lunch to promote fabulous Scottish | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
smoked salmon and Aberdeen Angus beef to Vietnamese food importers. I | :38:48. | :38:54. | |
will give way. She mentioned planning and going forward. Will she | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
tell me what planning and careful thinking have been doing for farmers | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
in croft farmers and what 2020 will mean for them and their futures? My | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
honourable friend met with the national farming union for Scotland | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
yesterday and I met with them recently. We have been taking | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
informal advice but at the same time as I have made very clear, | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
unfortunately he wasn't listening, that our consultation on our Green | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
Paper for the future, the long-term future of food, farming and | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
fisheries is the perfect opportunity for him to represent his own | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
crofters' interests and for them to feed back to that consultation which | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
we will welcome that opportunity. Order. Honourable members ought to | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
have the courtesy to listen to the Secretary of State. Secretary of | :39:45. | :39:51. | |
State. Thank you. Scotland has a rich and varied agricultural | :39:52. | :39:53. | |
heritage, including the grain producing lowlands in the east and | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
beef and lamb in the uplands. It's no surprise that Scotland has a | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
number of world beating brands, including scotch beef, lamb, black | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
pudding and Orkney Cheddar. On my last trip to Scotland I met | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
representatives from key industries and trade bodies vital to the | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
Scottish rural economy, including NFU Scotland and Scotland food and | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
drink. I was given a guided tour of one of Scotland's best known | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
independent food companies with a turnover of almost ?24 million in | :40:26. | :40:33. | |
2015. I was also fortunate to be shown around a bottling plant, | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
whisky is a phenomenal global success and accounts for around one | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
fifth of all UK food and drink exports, worth ?3. 9 billion in | :40:44. | :40:50. | |
2015. So working with the devolved administrations I regularly meet my | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
Ministerial counterparts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
and I look forward to welcoming them to London for further discussions | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
next week. I am determined that we secure a deal on leaving the EU that | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
works for all parts of the UK and recognises the contribution that all | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
corners of this country make to our economic success. Now leaving the EU | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
is DEFRA's biggest focus as it is the Whitehall department most | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
affected by the EU but alongside this the day photograph day work | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
continues to focus on the right conditions for a thriving rural | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
economy. While much of rural policy is devolved, in August 2015 we | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
published the rural productivity plan for England to set the right | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
conditions for businesses in rural areas in England to prosper and | :41:40. | :41:45. | |
grow. Across the board Government policies will help rural communities | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
and industrial strategy that works for all areas, delivering three | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
million apprenticeship starts in England by 2020, including trebling | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
the number in food, farming and agriculturetech and building more | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
homes and providing better access to services. I thank my honourable | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
friend for giving way. Does she believe there are huge opportunities | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
for rural diversification that will strengthen on rural communities not | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
least of which with outdoor recreational activities that create | :42:20. | :42:21. | |
meaningful experiences for people to help the rural economy and physical | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
health and well-being? Yes, that's exactly right. Reconnecting with | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
nature, with the outdoors is incredibly good for well-being. Of | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
course, we expect and anticipate that tourism, rural success will | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
continue as we seek to become a more outward looking nation. I will give | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
way. She's making a very powerful point. Would the Minister agree that | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
there are huge opportunities in the rural industries in renewable | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
energy, many of which are based in rural economies to build on this and | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
to sell our technology and our innovation on the world stage which | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
will help with climate change across the globe as well? Yes, my | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
honourable friend is quite right. The UK is the scene of incredibly | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
successful renewable energy schemes and many of the offshore wind | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
projects are in Scotland which has brought prosperity to some key areas | :43:18. | :43:25. | |
in that nation. Increasing connectivity right across the UK is | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
vital both for businesses to be competitive and for communities to | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
thrive. We are investing over ?780 million to make superfast broadband | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
of at least 24 megabits per second available to 95% of UK premises by | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
2017. But reaching the 5% this figure does not cover is absolutely | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
key and that's why I welcome the better broadband scheme. Under this | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
scheme those who can't get a broadband speed of at least 2 | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
megabits per second qualify for a subsidised connection with a grant | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
available and I really do encourage anyone who is eligible for that to | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
contact their local authority. We are also working to introduce a | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
broadband universal service obligation by 2020 at a minimum of | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
10 megabits per second. An additional ?442 million will make | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
superfast broadband available to a further 2% of premises in the UK. | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
This will be complemented by a further infrastructure investment as | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
announced in the autumn statement. For areas with poor mobile coverage | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
planning reforms came into force in November to facilitate the building | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
of taller masts and make upgrading and sharing of infrastructure | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
easier. I would like to assure members across the House that better | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
connectivity, the key to unlocking the full potential and productivity | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
of rural areas, will remain a priority for this Government. To | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
conclude, our goal is to secure a deal that works for all parts of the | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
UK. And promoting our great British food at the same time as improving | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
our environment is central to building a strong economy that works | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
for everyone. Thank you. Order. Before I call the spokesman | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
for the opposition, it will be obvious that a great many people | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
wish to speak and that we have a very short time for this debate so I | :45:27. | :45:32. | |
warn honourable members that there will be initially a time limit of | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
four minutes and that is likely to reduce to three minutes and if | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
people make lots of sper ventions then they will find they will be | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
called later in the debate than they otherwise would have been. But no | :45:46. | :45:52. | |
time limit applies to Rachel Maskell. Thank you. If I may before | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
I begin today, this is my first opportunity, I would like to pay my | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
personal respects to Katie Ravel, Katie lived in my constituency and | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
died tragically in York just over a week ago. The whole city has been | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
shocked and so saddened by the loss of such a precious little life. | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
Yesterday would have been Katie's 8th birthday and I join with her | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
community in Westfield to celebrate her life alongside her parents and | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
friends and I am sure the whole House would want to wish Alison and | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
Paul and to let them know that they very much are in our thoughts and | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
prayers. May Katie rest in peace. We live in challenging times. One where | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
it is often difficult to see over the horizon. Yet we have a duty to | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
steer a steady path to achieve the best outcome for our nation. The | :46:41. | :46:46. | |
country voted to leave the European Union on 23 June so we now have a | :46:47. | :46:52. | |
responsibility to take the whole country forward together. The 100%, | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
to provide economic and national security for all and to cut deals | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
with the EU and others to ensure that our export focus remains | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
robust. Seven months have passed since the vote and negotiations | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
begin in just a couple of months' time. So where is the DEFRA plan? I | :47:10. | :47:17. | |
have heard plenty of platitudes from the party opposite and listened to | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
ideology about cutting red tape. There have been utterances about | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
aspiration and the fantastic opportunity before us but all is | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
meaningless without even a sled of a DEFRA plan being shared. These words | :47:29. | :47:38. | |
no longer wash with farmers. Farmers don't work in eteric concepts. They | :47:39. | :47:41. | |
live in a world where straight talk something what matters. Where is the | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
DEFRA plan we have been promised? We should have had it before the | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
referendum and we continue to hear talk of the two seriously delayed | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
25-year plans. Farmers need a plan now so that they can shape their | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
agricultural businesses and give them the best possible chance to | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
succeed. 2020 is just around the corner and provides little security | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
to so many. The whole food and farming sector needs security now, | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
security through transition, and security for the long-term. It is | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
challenging enough for the farming community at the west of times, that | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
is why many voted to leave the EU in the hope that surely things couldn't | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
be worse but by being kept in the dark, not knowing what the | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
Government plans to do is even more worrying. Farmers at the Oxford | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
farming conference showed their vote of confidence in the Secretary of | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
State when only the Minister, the member for Cambourne, eventually | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
came to her rescue by putting the arm in the air to show support for | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
his boss. Farmers need clarity. The success of the food and farming | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
industry which we must celebrate has been down to the sheer grit and | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
determination of farmers to make success of their businesses but | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
let's not get away from the fact it's tough out there. Incomes are | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
falling and debts are rising. Incomes were down by a shocking 29% | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
last year, a fifth of farmers are struggling just to pay their bills. | :49:07. | :49:13. | |
The average debt for a farming business is now ?188,000 and too | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
many have gone out of business all together, including more than 1,000 | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
dairy farmers in the last three years. So not all farmers are | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
thriving or even There are some regulations that | :49:26. | :49:36. | |
farmer would happily see the back of the 1200 regular layingses to annal | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
size of course we'd want to see some go. -- regulations. The Prime | :49:40. | :49:47. | |
Minister should set out the strategy and test each regulation by the | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
criteria, not a piecemeal approach with no systematic logic being | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
applied. A question I've been asking since I was appointed, how will | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
Government police regulations prosecution those who breach them | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
outside of the EU framework. Answers are needed, as this will be a matter | :50:06. | :50:12. | |
for the UK alone. But all of this has little relevance if the big | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
question is not answered. What will replace the common ago cultural | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
policy? What succeeds CAP is not subject to any negotiation, so what | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
has been agreed with the Treasury. With subsidies accounting for over | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
half the income and investment resource for the farmers, they need | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
to know what will take its place, what will the criteria be, how will | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
they access funding and how can they start shaping businesses now, | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
according to the new criteria so that by 2020, they can be on the | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
firmest financial footing possible. So what has the Treasury agreed and | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
the Secretary of State determined? The Labour were in power today, we'd | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
be launch the rural investment bank, building sustainability for | :50:59. | :51:00. | |
businesses and sustainability for the environment. Resilience across | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
farming and giving farming the stability and security they need to | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
plan their future with the business support they need, as well as the | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
infrastructure and technological investment to drive forward | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
productivity. I am happy to give way. May I thank the honourable lady | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
for giving way. Would she agree with me there are grave concerns | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
regarding early pest and disease intelligence from Europe which may | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
become much less accessible alongside investment in research and | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
development which may fall without access to EU funding. I thank the | :51:35. | :51:39. | |
honourable lady for her intervention there. She's absolutely right. It's | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
our cooperation across Europe which has built the resilience of farming | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
and have built the huge knowledge base we which we all take advantage | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
of. The relationships we maintain with the science and research base | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
across the E such going to be absolutely vital to the success of | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
farming in the future. Of course, our fishermen and women | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
are searching for answers too. I've always believed that honesty is the | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
best policy to abide by. It's time the Government clearly set out for | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
those working across the fishing industry what they can expect to | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
change after leaving the EU. How we build a sustainable fishing industry | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
in an international context is vital for the industry to survive. But, as | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
has always been the case, it is the responsibility of the UK Government | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
to make sure the small fishing fleets have access to the stock. | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
Accessing global markets is vital for the future of the UK food and | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
drinks and farming sectors, but again, I have to ask the Secretary | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
of State what the strategy is. It surely cannot be her role to conduct | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
the global auction on every food product promoting her favourite | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
brands like the Snowdonian cheese or Walker short bred. What is the | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
approach to help every farmer have access to global free tariff market. | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
She cannot skip over the EU as though it no longer exists. | :53:05. | :53:12. | |
Farmers want security in knowing that they will have tariff free | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
access to this market. This is why Labour's been explicitly clear, we | :53:18. | :53:20. | |
want you to have access to the single market tariff free trade. I | :53:21. | :53:28. | |
We must warn the Prime Minister, what she's said today, she mustn't | :53:29. | :53:35. | |
create more barriers for the ago cultural and food sectors. The other | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
pressing issue is Labour. Free movement has enabled 98% of the UK | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
farmers seasonal workers to come from the EU. 80,000 people to pick | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
our veg and fruit each year. On this point, we must be clear - these are | :53:51. | :53:57. | |
absolutely not about taking anybody's jobs from anyone. These | :53:58. | :54:03. | |
are jobs that have failed to recruit locally. Farmers need to know what | :54:04. | :54:11. | |
they will reap before they sew. So, with seasonal labour, it's already | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
in short supply. As a result of the vote last June. The fall in the | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
pound's made other countries more attractive to seasonal workers. The | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
xenophobia is keeping some away. Xenophobia has no place anywhere in | :54:25. | :54:29. | |
our country. We owe it to those who come here to make it clear that they | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
are not only welcome, but we recognise the valuable role they | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
play in the freedom farming sector and the wider economy. But for those | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
who've made a decision to work in the UK from the EU, the Government | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
should grant them the right to stay now. Indecision and delay is | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
resulting in many leaving and keeping others away. I know the meat | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
sector have highlighted the serious risk that the dithering over the | :54:55. | :54:57. | |
rights are causing to their sustainability and they are not | :54:58. | :54:59. | |
alone. Today the Prime Minister had her | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
opportunity to provide businesses and workers from the EU. The | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
stability they need. When she was asked specifically on the point | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
earlier, she yet again ducked the question. | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
I am happy to give way. I thank my right honourable friend for giving | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
way. Does she share my disappointment that apart from a | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
passing reference to the word agriculture in preamble to the Prime | :55:22. | :55:24. | |
Minister's speech, there was nothing about the environment, food or | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
farming in terms of the 12 objectives she set out. Doesn't she | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
think the Prime Minister ought to be giving it far more importance? I | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
thank my right honourable friend for the point she's made and I have | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
scoured the speech to try and find the word environment in there and it | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
wasn't there, so I have serious concerns that the environmental | :55:44. | :55:45. | |
protections we currently enjoy from the EU just will not be there for | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
the future and, of course, as we advance forward and see that the EU | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
makes more progress on these areas, there is no guarantee given today in | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
the Prime Minister's contribution that that will be part of her | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
negotiating 12-point plan - her strategy. | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
So, as we move forward, I hear that the minister saying that it's | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
nonnegotiable but we need to see nit the 12-point plan if it's a key | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
point for us moving forward, so clearly the Prime Minister missed | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
that opportunity today to make that clear, the importance she would | :56:23. | :56:25. | |
place on the environment clearly not being stated. | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
I am happy to give way further. I thank the honourable lady for giving | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
way. Does she share the concerns that I have that it's staggering | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
that it appears the Government hasn't incorporated at least some of | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
the recommendations concerning land management. I suggested in a letter | :56:47. | :56:49. | |
to the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
by the institution of environmental sciences and other professional | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
bodies into the still foggy post-Brexit plan. | :57:00. | :57:01. | |
THE SPEAKER: Order. Interventions have been far too long, it simply | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
isn't fair for the honourable gentleman to take the time of | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
thethey shall people waiting to take speeches. It's simply not courteous. | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
No matter how important his point may appear to be. Rachel Maskell? We | :57:16. | :57:22. | |
have seen the lack of certainty being given, so it's a valid point | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
that's been made. A further point I want to raise with the Secretary of | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
State and that's about apprenticeships. I'm sorry, | :57:33. | :57:38. | |
apprenticeships aren't about filling unskilled labour gaps, they are | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
about sustaining people in their development, training and skills, so | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
that they can have a career ahead of them. Certainly suggesting that | :57:45. | :57:50. | |
they'll fill the post-rich 80,000 workers currently hold is not | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
appropriate and not what apprenticeships are for. Farmers | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
need real solutions, so why not introduce the seasonal ago cultural | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
workers scheme? I know the Government scrapped it in 2013 but | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
it would provide a lifeline to farmers now, far better than leaving | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
fruit and veg rotting in fields this summer. On behalf of all farmers, | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
especially though who may be watching and listening to us speak | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
here today, I sincerely hope the Secretary of State provides a | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
solution to this issue. We also have a wider biodiversity system to | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
protect. Farmers are the great conservationists of our nation. | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
They, along with many NGOs are the ones investing and restoring natural | :58:32. | :58:35. | |
habitats leaving in environmental sustainability with more support | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
they'll go further still. We know there is far more to be achieved and | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
we cannot return to being the dirty man of Europe, nor can we stand by | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
and sign trade deals with nations that pollute on our behalf having no | :58:48. | :58:54. | |
regard for soil, air or water quality. A as responsible global | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
stewards we must drive forward progressionive environmental | :59:01. | :59:02. | |
standards and stem pollution. If the Government pin their hope on a deal | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
with the next US administration, I would urge them to think again. | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
As we debate rural communities, we cannot ignore all the other needs | :59:12. | :59:15. | |
that rural communities call for. This Government are still to address | :59:16. | :59:18. | |
this. Access to Broadband, as the Secretary of State said, is an | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
important issue, Broadband and mobile connectivity. But it's the | :59:22. | :59:24. | |
rural communities which are in that 5% that still can't get access. | :59:25. | :59:31. | |
Access to jobs, housing and transport essential for rural | :59:32. | :59:34. | |
communities, as well as good Public Services. Our ambition must go | :59:35. | :59:40. | |
further to halt the urban drift and to rebuild rural communities | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
sustaining rural business and investing in new businesses, pulling | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
us back into the countryside and taking to unsustainable strain of | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
urban Britain. All are important and on these benches, we understand how | :59:53. | :59:57. | |
vital invest isn't into rural communities. You certainly won't see | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
a Labour Government cutting the budget to our national pashes by 40% | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
as the Government has on its watch. So, what will the Secretary of State | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
do? It's a shame that the Government's amendment today fails | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
to recognise the unique needs of rural communities and the central | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
role investment has in strengthening the wider economy. However, the huge | :00:19. | :00:25. | |
challenges facing rural economies needs clear interventions, not | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
complacency. And the shocking disparities with urban environments | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
needs to be addressed. There is not such thing as a single monolithic | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
rural economy in the UK. There's great diversity, not just between | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
communities, but within them. I focus much of my time today on | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
farming because that's where the challenges are most pressing, but we | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
must remember that there is more to life in rural and coastal | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
communities than farming and fishing alone. If the Government truly | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
intends to deliver for rural communities, it will take a far more | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
sustained everybody than simply addressing immediate short-term | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
challenges in isolation. We need a proper cross Government strategy. | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
The abolition of Labour's commission on rural communities by this | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
Government and establishing the much diminished policy unit in its place | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
has weakened rural communities to the lack of capacity and expertise. | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
Madam Deputy Speaker, many of the issues raised today are | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
long-standing and cannot be blamed on the EU alone. But in saying that, | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
the turmoil now created by uncertainty by the Government is | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
escalating risk for the sector. Those who work across the rural | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
landscape or fish in our sea, did feel left behind, left behind bay | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
Tory Government that failed to invest in their industry and in | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
their communities. This has to change. With Labour you would be | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
confident that it would and farming would become far more stable, secure | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
and sustainable. Thank you. THE SPEAKER: Order. I already have | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
to reduce the time limit before I have even imposed it. The time limit | :02:03. | :02:13. | |
will now be three minutes. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
It's nice to follow the honourable lady who mentioned her urban drip. | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
Can I just add that I have a very small farm in north her forkedshire | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
and raise cattle which the Secretary of State ought to know are the | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
finest and most popular beef breed in the world. The assumption made in | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
this motion that Brexit is something for farmers to be scared of is far | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
too pessimistic. There are risks but also opportunities. The European | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
Union has for years subsidised farms under the CAP and we have seen our | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
farmers fall from pole position behind now some of our European | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
partners in profitability and innovation. Therefore leaving the EU | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
and thus ending the common ago cultural policy should not be a | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
cause for concern in itself. Indeed, farmers and research | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
organisations such as leave have noted that Brexit is far more of an | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
opportunity than a risk. Instead of a CAP which compromises for 28 | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
states with 12 million farmers with an average farm size of 15 hectares | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
or 37 acres, compared to the UK which has an average farm size of 84 | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
hectares or 207 acres. So now, we are able to create a uniquely | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
helpful ago cultural policy for our farmers prioritising the goals we | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
most want to achieve. It's important that we have an ago | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
cultural policy which works for our farmers, for we need their | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
contributions. It must also work for voters, for the environment and for | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
all of those of us who need a healthy diet. This is particularly | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
tryth true as the NHS faces pressure from type II diabetes and#24er diet | :03:54. | :04:07. | |
and exercise related illnesses. It was made clear that ago cultural | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
support would continue until 2020 and by then we have had enough time | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
to prepare for a new ago cultural policy which will work for this | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
country. Already, the Government has indicated that it's keen to cut back | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
on ridiculous levels of EU bureaucracy. But, we must be aware | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
that within DEFRA, there are evil individuals who're still rolling out | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
hideous regulation by increasing the area suppressed by nitrate | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
vulnerable zones which are EU regulations, they are the nastiest | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
and most ridiculous rules and need to be frozen or rolled back but | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
instead they are being increased which is beyond scandalous. | :04:48. | :05:04. | |
I have been placing on the record in this mousse multiple times the | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
sensible and straight forward position this country stands to gain | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
nothing by the Government setting out our negotiating position before | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
the negotiations are even commencing. The EU negotiation | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
negotiators would gain the upper hand. And I will stop right there! | :05:24. | :05:30. | |
I am disappointed that the Prime Minister signalled today she intends | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
to pull the UK out of the single market as well as out of the EU. | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
Some of those potentially have the most to lose from this hard Brexit | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
approach are Scotland's beef and sheep farmers. We have been farming | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
beef in Aberdeenshire for thousands of years. Farm something a way of | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
life more than a job and we produce some of the best beef in the world | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
for premium markets. I am not going to repeat the comments my honourable | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
friend has made because he made the case well, but I will say this in | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
response to the Secretary of State. Scotland exported beef and lamb | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
worth ?73 million to EU countries in 2015. It's important that we realise | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
that over 90% of Scotland's red meat exports go to EU countries and of | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
the non-EU countries, Switzerland, nor Which? And Monaco are at the top | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
of the non-EU destinations. Scotland's food and drink exports | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
have grown substantially and our biggest growth markets have been in | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
the EU, a massive 20% of growth over the last decade and a much higher | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
rate of growth than in other markets including the UK market. That's why | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
retaining access to the single market is so important to our future | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
economic security especially in rural areas where livelihoods are so | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
affected by trade. But the other commodity produced on a large scale | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
in my constituency is fish. We have a huge catching sector, probably a | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
quarter of the UK's fish is landed in my constituency but for every job | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
in the catching sector there are four or five in the processing | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
industry. That supports thousands of jobs across Scotland in a wider | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
supply chain. The vast majority of fishermen voted to leave the EU and | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
given the way they were sold out in 1972 and shoe-horned into who can | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
blame them. There are many potential gains from being outside the CPC, | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
however it's a different story for the proetsing sector where those | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
opportunities are tempered by some significant drawbacks of a hard | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
Brexit as against a region style deal that keeps our foot in the | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
door. One of the major employers in my constituency already said | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
publicly that we need to protect our position in the single market | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
because we have a market advantage there. Nevertheless, we need to | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
remember that two-thirds of our fish exports are going to the EU. It's a | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
huge issue for some employers. We exported fish worth nearly ?450 | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
million to the EU in 2015, we can't afford to jeopardise trade. I think | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
while tariffs are probably, we can't afford tariffs at this stage, we can | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
afford non-tariff barriers such as the need for certificates. Those are | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
adding costs and bureaucracy that we don't need and we leave an open goal | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
for Norwegian and Icelandic competitors. During the Brexit | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
campaign when I talked to people in the fishing industry they held up | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
Norway as the model they wanted to emulate but that's no longer an | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
option in this post-Brexit situation. The biggest risk now is | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
the point I made to the Minister where our Government sells us down | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
the river as was suggested might be happening in the Prime Minister's | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
speech earlier today. It was my prif ledge both in opposition and in | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
Government to work with Sir Jim Pace and he and I, although we may well | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
have voted to remain in the European Union, had deep reservations about | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
the common agricultural policy and desperately wanted the farming | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
community to embrace the concept they would have to change the | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
narrative, change the ask of Government, and to continue to | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
accept words like subs tees as part of the lexicon of modern | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
agriculture, it's something we have to deal with, we have to change the | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
narrative. My message to ministers today is please be bold, what we do | :09:11. | :09:18. | |
not want out of this is a son of CP, a CAP-plus. What we do not want is a | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
system that perpetuates what has happened in the past. We want to | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
look at this as April opportunity to see rural policy that can be an | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
economic policy and an environmental policy and a social policy, as well. | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
I would like to speak at great length - yes, certainly. Would he | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
agree that there will still be need even after Brexit for support for | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
hill farmers in places like Wales and in Scotland? I will come on to | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
talk precisely on that. My honourable friend makes a very good | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
point. I would like to have had the opportunity today to talk about the | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
innovation that's happening in farming, innovations that see | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
precision, satellite assisted farming is old news. Now with the | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
internet of things and the development of incredible changes in | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
technology we can see huge advances in agriculture and this is the | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
opportunity for DEFRA to be at the heart of that change and to support | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
the farming enterprise through that. The impact of globalisation and the | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
machinations of the CAP has caused the number of smaller farmers to | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
plummet. This is very bad news for the fabric of rural wrin, rural | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
communities and the environment. It's a chance for us to avoid some | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
of the failures that have afflicted rural policy-making for decades, | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
grants to drain moorlands followed by a decade or two later grants to | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
fill them in. Grants to rip out hedges followed a decade or two | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
later by grants to replant them. Incentives to plant thousands of | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
acres of spruce and pine in areas in northern Scotland. This list of | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
lamentable policy-making goes on. Please can we get it right and can | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
we get it right in the uplands? We need to be very worried about what | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
is happening in the Lake District. Hill farming created the wilderness | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
and pasture that still defines the Lake District landscape. Those that | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
shepherd the flocks are as much part of the landscape. That's what | :11:23. | :11:37. | |
Wordsworth loved about the lakes and what Beatrix Potter to save 14 | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
farms. She, like millions of people today expected us to protect these | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
fragile social structures in rural landscapes, preserve the skills to | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
sustain some of them the treasured landscapes. There is a vision that | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
treats the sheep farmer as an enemy and aims to turn the fells into a | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
petri dish for nature-free of human intervention. This sees the | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
replacing of the unique blend of the wild and the pasture which has | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
defined the Lake District for 2,000 years with something that is, | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
frankly, shameful. Allowing ministers to recognise that small | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
farms and particularly those in our uplands are the most economically | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
fragile, arguably the most socially valuable, should be key to any new | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
post-Brexit model of rural support. Being mindful to what our | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
countryside is, seeking to protect and enhance the most stunning | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
landscapes in the world, whilst assisting the industry to innovate | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
and market responsive, this has to be the goal. I do urge ministers to | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
take this opportunity to be bold and create something that's better than | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
what we have had. Thank you. I rise to talk to the | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
environmental audit committee's report which is tagged in this | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
debate. The future of the natural environment after the EU referendum. | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
I pay tribute both to the members for Bristol east and Taunton Deane | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
in the chamber today. Our report, cross-party report from a | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
cross-party group of MPs, found that changes from Brexit could put our | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
countryside, farming and wildlife at risk. And that protections for | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
Britain's wildlife and special places which are currently | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
guaranteed under European law could end up as zombie legislation even | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
with the so-called great repeal bill. We recommended therefore that | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
the Government should safeguard protections for Britain's wildlife | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
in places in a new, UK environmental protection act. And I want to talk a | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
little bit about that today. I would like to look at the issues around | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
agriculture and we found that farmers face a triple general tee | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
from leaving the EU and let's not forget farms and farm businesses | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
make up 25% of all of the UK's businesses. First, the CAP provides | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
50-606% on average of UK farming incomes and for certain farmers that | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
average will be much higher. So the loss of the CAP threatens the | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
viability of some farms. The second jeopardy is the new trade | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
agreements, could threaten incomes if they result in tariff or | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
non-tariff barriers to export. At the moment 95% of lamb exports go to | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
the EU and if we are exposed to a common EU customs tariff that could | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
mean charges of up to 30% according to the country, land and business | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
association. Third, any new trade deals with the rest of the world | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
such as that proposed yesterday by MrTrump could lead to competition | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
from countries with lower animal welfare, environmental and food | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
safety standards. We have heard from the Secretary of State for exiting | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
the EU that he will do everything necessary to protect the stability | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
of the financial services sector and we have heard again reassurance to | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
the car industry in the UK, there have been no such reassurances to | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
the 25% of the UK's businesses that are classed as rural businesses and | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
we have heard from the Secretary of State for environment, food and | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
rural affairs at the Oxford farming conference that farm exports to the | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
EU will decline post-Brexit. She also didn't give my committee any | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
clarity over whether there would be future subs tees for farmers after | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
we leave the EU and we would as a committee would want to see clearly | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
defined objectives for future subsidies such as promoting | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
biodiversity, preventing flooding and repairing peat bogs. I give way. | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
When the Environment Secretary gave evidence to the economy she said up | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
to a third of environmental legislation would not be covered by | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
the great repeal act which means a huge vacuum in terms of | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
environmental protections. ? Yes, my honourable friend is right and our | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
committee discovered that copying EU legislation into UK law will not | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
enough for up to a third of the UK's environmental protections so there | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
is a risk that the legislation is transposed but is no longer updated | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
because there is nobody to update it. It is not enforced because there | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
is nobody with the legal duty to enforce it and it can be eroded | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
through strat Torrey instruments with minimal parliamentary scrutiny | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
and of course we have had calls from some parts of the Conservative Party | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
to have a subset clause in the bill and that's again something that the | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
Secretary of State did not distance herself from when she appeared in | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
front of our committee which is why we want a new environmental | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
protection act passed before we leave the European Union. If the | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
Government's going to achieve its manifesto commitment to be the first | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
generation to leave the environment in a better sthat tan it found it | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
the Government must set out how it will provide an equivalent or | :16:46. | :16:47. | |
helpfully better level of protection when we leave. The role of this | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
House will be vital in providing clear scrutiny rather than | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
cheerleaderboarding as that debate goes forward. Thank you. Last year, | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
I received a letter from a local farmer. He had been informed that he | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
could no longer grow cabbages because they were considered by the | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
EU to be too similar to cally flowers for compliance with a rule. | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
Turnips he was advised would be more acceptable. Agriculture and food and | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
drink are great British success stories, yet for half a century they | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
have been held back by this ceaseless meddling of brows sells | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
self appointed vegetable police. Will there are three simple reasons | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
why leaving the EU represents an opportunity for the rural economy | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
and let me touch on CAP to start with. Every year, UK farmers receive | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
about ?3 billion of payments from the CAP and some people act if this | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
money is a gift bestowed upon us by Brussels. The truth is this money is | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
the money of British taxpayers who every year make a net contribution | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
of ?9 billion to the EU budget and with that money returned we could | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
fund a British agricultural policy three times over. The difference | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
will be that we have the freedom to provide funding for British farmers | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
and the needs of British farmers without smothering them with a | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
European regulations they don't need. The second benefit will be to | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
our rural economy for the food industry and trade. Food demand is | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
projected to grow 70% in the coming decades, a huge opportunity for | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
British food producers. That demand is driven by China, Brazil, the US, | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
India, all countries that the EU has entirely failed to sign a free trade | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
agreement with. With British trade policy back in British hands, we can | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
sign a new generation of free trade agreements allowing our companies to | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
fulfil their enormous potential abroad. | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
Lastly, they will gain enormously from the freedoms Brexit will give | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
us to invest in infrastructure. After we leave the EU, bad box | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
ticking bureaucracy, a covenant elected by the British people, will | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
be able to find that broadband to rural areas with Al having to wait a | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
DFI compliance with the European Union in flexible state rules. -- | :19:12. | :19:20. | |
that. -- wait for compliance. It is not beyond travails. As dramatic as | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
Saville's orange groves are, they are not Dartmoor or Exmoor. Our | :19:27. | :19:35. | |
rural... Seville. Outside of the EU, Legion design policies that work for | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
our policies and use our new-found freedoms do create a rural economy | :19:42. | :19:50. | |
more robust than ever before. I'll be as brief as I possibly can. Every | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
single part of Scotland, bar by guile and beauty constituency, voted | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
to remain. -- apart from Argyll and Bute. They said they wish the UK | :20:02. | :20:10. | |
could maintain membership of the European Union to keep our seafood, | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
whiskey and other groups having access to the biggest and, most | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
valuable market. In return, we continue to welcome with open arms | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
citizens of the European Union who wish to come, let and work in Argyll | :20:23. | :20:32. | |
and Bute. As the guarantor has done with notable success, we would | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
continue to promote Argyll and Bute as an excellent place of foreign, | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
multi national companies to invest as they sought to secure entry into | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
the European single market for their products. That's why we voted to | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
remain and that is why Brexit would have a profound and damaging impact | :20:51. | :21:01. | |
of my Argyll and Bute' economy. We boast 14 of the best whiskey | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
distilleries in the world. I will give value the microwave. I thank | :21:05. | :21:16. | |
him. We agree that the prospering businesses here are down to our | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
environment prospering as well? I agree. The Providence and purity are | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
essential and a great part of what Scotland's produce can offer. As of | :21:27. | :21:36. | |
mass G8, Scotch Whisky, much of it produced in my constituency, | :21:37. | :21:37. | |
contributed major lead to the UK economy. Removing us from the | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
European Union damages that. I'm so surprised that the honourable member | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
for South Northamptonshire seemed unaware of the fact that a huge | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
percentage of Scott exported beyond in the EU still benefits from deals | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
brokered by the EU. Control of Smoke Pollution Act Scotch. There is so | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
much I like to say. If I make my work included by saying that I | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
believe membership of the European Union has been good Argyll and Bute, | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
and has been for Scotland. Our continued membership is vital to | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
huge economic regeneration of our area. We need people in Argyll and | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
Bute and the future plan for economic growth would fall by our | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
council is predicated on attracting inward migration of EU citizens who | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
want to come and work in our food and drink sector, forestry, farming | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
and on other seas. We need people to come and work in our rural | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
communities. We need EU National to come to our diet and Bute. We | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
welcome EU nationals. -- to Argyll and Bute. There are almost 2000 EU | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
nationals living in the constituency at the moment and it is a disgrace | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
that this covenant will not guarantee their right to remain in | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
the United Kingdom post Brexit. I wish the boot on wreckage -- to put. | :23:03. | :23:18. | |
That every migrant working in Argyll and Bute is very welcome. -- record. | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
I will do everything I can to support them staying post Brexit. | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
Madam Deputy Seagate, I believe Brexit will be bad for the UK and | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
bad for Scotland. And particularly harmful for rural communities, such | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
as my own. Being a member of the European Union has been benefit from | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
a constituency. The beneficial. That's why when asked last June, the | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
people of Argyll and Bute overwhelmingly voted to remain. | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
Madam Deputy Speaker, there is an active and very interesting debate | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
going on in farming and agriculture in our rural communities. I was | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
reminded of this last Friday when I had the privilege to visit the | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
Clarence house farm to find out more about the dairy industry issues. We | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
had a wide debate that captivated as for 90 minutes. I barely got to see | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
the place that I went to visit. The cakes on the side of the kitchen | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
table when on tops. These are the sacrifices they make. I recognise | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
this is a time of uncertainty for farming. -- untouched. It's also a | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
time of the opportunity. The Prime Minister was clear today that we are | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
leaving the EU, but not Europe. There are ongoing trade | :24:44. | :24:45. | |
relationships we have to define with the all but there are new | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
opportunities in broader markets in this ambitious strategy that will | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
have positive implications for all industrial sectors and will also | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
benefit from UK farmers as well. There may be some who will want you | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
have the relative certainty of the common agricultural policy are few | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
would argue that it's a perfect system, far from it. Quite the | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
opposite. All the hallmarks for too long of a system created in the | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
1950s. Overly bureaucratic and designed for the needs of 28 states | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
and not the UK National agricultural interests that we have to have in | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
mind. That is the huge opportunity Brexit to us. The passing of CAP | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
will not be mourned and we'll create a better approach. The Prime | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
Minister said there will be protections for pillar one and there | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
were two of until 2020. The agriculture section the Max factor | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
is in good place. We can compete with the world. We need to recognise | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
what is in front of us. It is not all bad Brexit, Brexit you'd be a | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
spur to action to tackle long-standing action and recognise | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
opportunities. -- alt Brexit. I have spoken viral -- rural | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
diversification in my earlier intervention. The economy will be | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
pivotal. I believe that outdoor recreation have a place in that | :26:18. | :26:25. | |
particular debate. In my very last few remarks, I want to focus on the | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
needs of helping young people to build careers in farming. To develop | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
their livelihood in agriculture. I'm so impressed with the work I see at | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
young farmers' while in and around Macclesfield and deemed too easy as | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
they have been due farming. My dream would be, as the Secretary of State | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
develops a green paper, please don't forget the other opportunities | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
outside of Brexit. Rural diversification and prospects for | :26:57. | :26:58. | |
our young farmers as they are pivotal for success in the future. | :26:59. | :27:08. | |
Thank you. As a member of Kinross, I'm well aware of the policy for | :27:09. | :27:15. | |
leaving the European Union. After the member for Maidenhead's speech | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
today, it is now clear that it would be catastrophic. -- case that, | :27:21. | :27:28. | |
Sutherland and Easter Ross. We must maintain membership of the single | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
market. That is the best outcome, not just the people of Scotland but | :27:34. | :27:36. | |
in the national interest of each country the UK. Scotland, in | :27:37. | :27:46. | |
economic sectors of the economy, agriculture, fishing, manufacturing, | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
wholesale, retail sectors, in the liberal areas like much of my | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
constituency, to raise, accommodation and food and drink, | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
including whiskey and gin, play a vital role also. Infrastructure has | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
meant mending of new bridges and roads, shortening journey times and | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
enabling remote communities to sustain themselves. Building on MS | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
created employment and using them as created a tourist industry that has | :28:12. | :28:21. | |
continued to thrive. -- them has. We have financial support for our | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
farmers, access to the single market for goods and products and new | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
skills and employees through free movement of labour. The Harbour | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
Brexit announced today will be devastating for Scotland's rural | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
economies with high target and was a financial support. -- hard Brexit. | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
Using the projected food names. -- we face losing. Losing food safety, | :28:46. | :28:53. | |
animal and Plant health standard anti-competitiveness we rely on | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
through nontariff barriers to trade. -- and the competitiveness. We don't | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
have the dues between the single market and the UK market. Scotland | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
is the top destination for exports to the rest of the UK but the single | :29:07. | :29:12. | |
market of the EU is Scotland's real growth market and eight times bigger | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
than the UK market alone. As a man of the single market, Scotland | :29:17. | :29:23. | |
doesn't just contribute to 5 billion people in Europe but we trade with | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
the rest of the world through Europe as well. Today, we reiterate our | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
request to seek common ground with the UK Government and to find a | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
solution that will preserve the Scotland's membership of the | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
European single market, and for the UK Government to seriously consider | :29:40. | :29:48. | |
Scotland's place in Europe. Thank you. It's a pleasure to make a | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
contribution to this debate. As someone who grew up in horticulture | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
environment in Wiltshire, I see agriculture and horticulture as | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
absolutely key to the rural economy and this is a time of uncertainty. | :30:03. | :30:09. | |
If in a business, any business, 50-50% of your current income will | :30:10. | :30:19. | |
end, we were told to 3-4 years. -- 50-60%. You would feel uncertainty. | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
Against that, all the conversations I have had over the last five, six | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
or seven years in and around Salisbury, there is a frustration to | :30:29. | :30:36. | |
delay the CAP upgraded. Every time I met with farmers. -- operated. There | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
was a difficulty that had not been ever comes. They wanted to see a | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
change that was not happening. We must now grasp the opportunities | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
that exist. -- overcome. Opportunities do exist and we must | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
make good on them. We have to remember that 60% of all food eaten | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
in the EU comes from this country. 70% of the UK a land mass is managed | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
by those working in the rural economy. The rural economy | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
contributes ?100 billion to the economy each year. These are | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
significant sums and he have to be ambitious and the of reforms that we | :31:17. | :31:25. | |
bring to the new funding mechanisms. -- sort of. We have been given | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
reassurances over the years but we have evolved as Seattle evolved for | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
the future agriculture to deliver more and demand more. We have to say | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
to those that are frustrated with underfunding and under delivery of | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
rural services that we can do more in return for more productive | :31:45. | :31:52. | |
sector. I just wanted to mention the issue of access to the right skills, | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
because it is absolutely clear to me when I visit, and I visited last | :31:57. | :32:08. | |
year a fish gutting plant and none of the -- on the wall were in | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
English, they were in peril because everyone there was brought up from | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
Southampton. We need to make sure we do this well because despite great | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
agricultural colleges in Hampshire and Wiltshire, we are not dividing | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
the -- providing the skills needed to home-grown youths. We need to | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
make sure we answer the question that many farmers are asking me of | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
how to ensure access to the skills needed in this vital sector. They | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
should be a time of optimism for the industry to release the burden of | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
all those issues that have been so difficult for farming for so long. | :32:51. | :32:58. | |
Thank you very much. Can I say, firstly, coming from the rural | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
constituency, mainly rural constituency of the mana and south | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
Tyrone in Northern Ireland, the European Union has provided a great | :33:11. | :33:17. | |
support to the rural community. -- Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Many | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
fishermen and business recognise this, but we have to ask, at what | :33:24. | :33:30. | |
cost? Particularly in European regulation directive. I must say the | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
additional paperwork and regulations, directives coming from | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
Europe, many farmers and rural businesses are saying, is it worth | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
it? Minister and serene, no, it is not. Simply because they add to -- | :33:43. | :33:57. | |
nosed are and serene -- most are answering no. I highlight this in a | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
very proactive way. I thought it was very interesting as a prospect. When | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
the accident the European Union, and we, and then and that the red tape | :34:07. | :34:12. | |
and bureaucracy that has currently come with European regulation, | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
particularly through the Common agricultural policy, is not followed | :34:17. | :34:23. | |
through by the United Kingdom and indeed the devolved institutions. I | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
do want to quote a view issues around this, and the most attractive | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
report I have read comes from the Scottish Government in something | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
that was published in August 2014. This indicates, we believe the | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
European Union Commissioner and as a fair culture to be compliant with a | :34:44. | :34:52. | |
complex set of regulations. That fair culture translates through the | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
agencies where they hear the sound, the inspectors, where there is a | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
fear of an fear. And they fear of various and penalties. I commend the | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
Scottish Government from being so open, honest and true about the | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
regulations and how it affects their farmers and rural communities, and | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
it goes on to say... Sorry, it doesn't particularly crowded but | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
they are hugely critical of the penalties is then that is imposed | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
the common agricultural policy, mainly due to that fair culture that | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
is imposed through the European Union commission. | :35:31. | :35:37. | |
So I say, members and deputy Speaker, whatever happens when we | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
exit with Brexit, the one thing I plea is to not follow through on | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
those regulations and directives other countries in the European | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
Union do not impose but we here in the United Kingdom have to impose | :35:51. | :35:58. | |
them. Thank you. Thank you, Madame Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure to | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
make a contribution to this debate. It is clear from my perspective that | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
our rural economy has not fared well during our time as a member of the | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
EU. But there is one thing I would say that has been even worse for the | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
rural economy than being part of the EU and that is 13 years of Labour | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
Government, and it is quite laughable the front bench | :36:22. | :36:23. | |
spokesperson on the other side suggested that rural Britain has | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
something to fear from a Tory Government. I can tell you from | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
Cornwall that 13 years of Labour did no favours for our rural economy | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
whatsoever. You know, we need to understand leaving the EU presents | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
us with some great opportunities for rural Britain. As has already been | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
touched on, much of our rural economy is dominated by agriculture | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
and indeed fishing and neither have been able to thrive the way I | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
believe they are able to whilst we have been part of the EU. The "One | :36:57. | :37:04. | |
size fits all" Common agricultural and fishing policy where we have to | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
take into consideration all 28 member states simply does not work | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
for Britain. The British countryside is unique. There is nowhere else | :37:12. | :37:20. | |
like it in the EU, and leaving allows others to develop policies | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
for agriculture, fisheries, and manage and invest in our countryside | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
that will make it fit for the British countryside and rural | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
communities and I believe that is a great opportunity we face now that | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
we have decided to leave and we can make the most of that. One question | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
I am often asked in terms of Cornwall, what will replace the | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
European funding we have had? The hundreds of millions of pounds we | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
have had from EU are not or should I say through the EU, that has come to | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
Cornwall? Let's remember that money is British taxpayers' money recycled | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
through the European Union and it comes with strings attached and a | :37:58. | :38:06. | |
heavy bureaucracy we are not able to invest -- that means they cannot | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
invest in the things we need to invest in. We will have a regional | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
development fund set for the UK, fit for Cornwall, so we can spend on the | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
things we want to spend on and the things Cornwall needs us to spend it | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
on without the box ticking and bureaucratic form filling so many | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
businesses find they have to do just to qualify for the grant. I am | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
confident Cornwall and rural communities across Britain will have | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
the opportunity to thrive, to trade with the world once again. You know, | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
we seem to think when we leave you suddenly the EU. Wanting to buy our | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
world-class produce. Of course the EU will still want Cornish clotted | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
cream! And Cornish seafood, but it will give us the opportunity to | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
trade with emerging markets around the world such as China where there | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
is a growing demand so I am confident. I will happily give way. | :38:54. | :39:02. | |
Order. The end of the three minutes. Thank you, Madam Speaker. The | :39:03. | :39:10. | |
hardest of hide Brexits, and what will be remembered as perhaps the | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
biggest act of economic self flagellation ever inflicted upon our | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
nation, that is what this is. It will practically crucify the rural | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
economy. If we are indulging in this hard Brexit as some sort of lofty | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
ideal, tackling global injustice, trying to improve the conditions of | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
the poorest in the world, I think we could just about -- I could just | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
about stomach it. But, no, we are indulging in this self harm because | :39:38. | :39:40. | |
the UK does not like immigrants. It is the one issue, the dominant | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
issue, and it takes precedent over all others when it comes to exiting | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
the European Union. We live in a global interconnected world where | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
the movement of peoples has never been so profound, but the new global | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
Britain is about to raise the drawbridge and ensure nobody comes | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
in here. It is the Nigel Farages and the hard right of the Tory party, | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
there are few and fishing, that we'll now inform this place about | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
how the country will progress. And I am so proud that my nation voted | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
overwhelmingly to remain within the European Union. I will do absolutely | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
everything that I can to ensure that my nation's decision on that is | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
respected and progressed, and I am proud of the people of North | :40:28. | :40:29. | |
Perthshire who also voted overwhelmingly to remain within the | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
EU. My constituency is practically totally rural. Some fine hill | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
farming in Perthshire, some of Scotland's finest arable land, and | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
Perth city was once the centre of the agricultural administration of | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
Scotland. All of these activities are reliant on support from the EU, | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
all of these industries depend upon international trade and European | :40:53. | :40:55. | |
support. Farmers in my constituency have come to me very concerned about | :40:56. | :41:06. | |
what is going to happen with their future, and the news that one in | :41:07. | :41:08. | |
five Scottish farmers and crofters are intending to quit farming | :41:09. | :41:10. | |
because of the concerns over Brexit should alarm and greatly concerned | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
this House. I have the world renowned pressure dairy sector in my | :41:14. | :41:15. | |
constituency, with no better strawberries raspberries or just | :41:16. | :41:25. | |
anywhere in the world -- Purser Berry Sector. My fair for is to be | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
put at ease by announcing the renewal of this team. I went around | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
my hotel industry in Pitlochry, all of which are dependent on European | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
workers to maintain their business and all are under severe threat and | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
concerned about what will happen now. If England wants to indulge in | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
this economic self harm, that is it to them. Our country in Scotland now | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
has to be listened to. We have decided something else. Our view now | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
has to be respected and listened to. We have alternatives, Madame Deputy | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
Speaker, and I encourage the people of Scotland to have a close look at | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
them now. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Looking at the statistics of the | :42:09. | :42:11. | |
referendum it is evident the vast number of rural areas voted to leave | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
the EU. A decision those of us in this place must respect, but we | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
should also ask why that was, although I feel that is for another | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
day. Now on the cost of triggering Article 50, I welcome the debate | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
called by the members opposite. It indeed even agree with certain | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
areas, that we must do all we can to support our vitally important rural | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
areas -- I indeed even agree. We agree the rural economy is vital to | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
the UK economy at large, that security is key, along with the | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
rural way of life. But sadly it is here our past diverse. I read the | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
motion tabled by the SNP and take umbrage literally at the first word | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
of the title. What does it say about an opposition party that uses the | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
word of friends when speaking about Brexit and the rural economy rather | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
than the opportunities Brexit presents. It seems to want to do | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
down the rural areas from the start -- the word offence. If nothing else | :43:10. | :43:16. | |
Brexit presents opportunities for our rural economy and forestry -- on | :43:17. | :43:25. | |
forestry, tourism, and other areas. A major issue I hear travelling | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
around my constituency is the effect on the single farm payment of | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
leaving the EU, but I cannot help but think there is a great | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
opportunity here for Britain. Clearly, and I am sure the whole | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
House agrees on this, that one thing is sure, there is nothing comment | :43:41. | :43:42. | |
about the Common Agricultural Policy. So, Madame Deputy Speaker, | :43:43. | :43:48. | |
time is against us and it is clear there are two sides to this debate | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
and two alone. Those who want to do down our farmers as nothing more | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
than a subsidy, and those who believe our farmers have the | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
capacity to be more... To be the most innovative in the world. There | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
are those who want to do down our rural areas as wholly reliant on the | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
EU, and there are those who want to do it our rural areas as areas that | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
can flourish, there are those who seek nothing but their own | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
self-created negativity towards Brexit and there are those who see | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
nothing else but the opportunity it will provide. Madame Deputy Speaker, | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
after the Brexit vote last year, we are now in the possession of the | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
ambition our American countries have held for over 300 years, but we can | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
truly state Great Britain is the land of opportunity, and now is the | :44:40. | :44:42. | |
time to capitalise on that. All that matters is we go into our | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
negotiations with the right attitude and we protect our rural economy for | :44:47. | :44:55. | |
the long-term. The Government amendment speaks of continuity and | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
certainty, the 2020. That is two years away. People fear uncertainty | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
and the rural communities I represent are afraid the certainty | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
underpinning their way of life are to be swept away. -- the | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
certainties. Farming is difficult, very difficult profession, requiring | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
commitment to a lifestyle that is almost unmatched and yet the | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
economic impact of farming in my communities is far wider than quite | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
possibly appreciative. In Wales, upland farm profits fell last year | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
to ?21,900. Meaning around 60% of farms either made a loss would have | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
done so without support. Despite this last year, the 10,000 or so | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
farmed businesses in Wales paid employees and other businesses are | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
around three times as much as they made. Many Welsh communities are | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
dependent on the rural economy for their year-round existence. The | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
Welsh language and the culture and traditions of Wales are rigid in | :45:52. | :45:59. | |
these communities -- are rooted in these communities, and their future | :46:00. | :46:02. | |
is at risk. It brings me to my next point. The much maligned EU Common | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
Agricultural Policy. Undoubtedly this financial support mechanism is | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
not perfect. It's mechanism and a demonstration could clearly be | :46:13. | :46:14. | |
improved but what we have heard so far from the Government does not | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
offer us much hope of an improved model. Of course farmers do not want | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
to have to rely on direct payments but a legacy of 60 years of | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
policy-making in at cultivating a plentiful and secure food supply | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
means the returns from the market are simply too low to sustain | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
livestock businesses. If we slash and burn the support mechanisms we | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
afford our already struggling farms we are not only risking our food | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
supply but the future of our rural communities and the industries they | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
support. Wales is around 5% of the UK population but the seas around | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
12% of the EU funds flowing to the UK. Not only is this a result of its | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
considerably more of rural society because of the less profitable | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
livestock hill farming of wheels receiving a far greater share of CAP | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
compared to southern England -- but it receives around 12%. They must | :47:07. | :47:15. | |
receive guarantees now they will not suffer any loss of support. I would | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
like to call on the Government to do something radical. I want them to | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
slow down and think. Too close, policies must be evidence -based | :47:22. | :47:24. | |
rather than the product of idealistic aspirations and clever | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
sounding buzzwords. A clean Brexit chimes with a clean break but no | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
rhetorical flourish chimes with those who will end up broken. I am | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
therefore calling on the Government to maintain direct payments and | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
budgets and ring fence the monies until we have found a realistic way | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
of replacing them, and to guarantee there will be no power grab from the | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
nation of Wales, as I was told recently if they want to do to the | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
rural communities what they did to the minors, let them do so with | :47:54. | :48:03. | |
their eyes open. -- the miners. My constituency voted more than any | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
other to leave the European Union but what was not said in this debate | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
is it is the rural parts of Wales that overwhelmingly voted to take | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
back control. These are the parts of the country for whom democracy today | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
is working. What the rural UK voted for, it is getting. If you remain a | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
Remain, behind the times, it may be, it is appropriate to ask first what | :48:25. | :48:31. | |
rural Britain voted for -- if you remain a Remainer. There are three | :48:32. | :48:38. | |
things. Although rural committees have been powered by workers from | :48:39. | :48:45. | |
the EU or Eastern Europe, the consensus of the British people was | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
a key factor. By some estimates the third-largest population there is | :48:52. | :48:53. | |
Eastern Europe, hard-working men and women in the main paying taxes and | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
working hard in all weathers but that is not a change there then | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
Labour Government plan for or that the constituency ever voted for, a | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
key impact of voting to leave the EU should not make any individual feel | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
unwelcome, as I have said many times in this House, but it should be the | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
restoration partly in the rural economy of simple self determination | :49:15. | :49:17. | |
for environment, regulation or the workforce. No party went to the | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
country on a manifesto that said market towns across the East of | :49:22. | :49:24. | |
England would see huge changes in numbers that would result in serious | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
pressures on public services, and if they had they might not have won. | :49:28. | :49:34. | |
Immigration was a key issue in my constituency but I hope one impact | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
of Brexit will be the restoration of some form of seasonal work Visa | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
scheme that replicates that which we had until relatively recently, that | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
means people are able to come, work and pay taxes if the job is already | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
lined up. Secondly, we should point out there has been an impact on the | :49:54. | :49:59. | |
supply of labour already in constituencies such as mine. Already | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
in my error there is not the abundance of minimum wage labour | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
there once was -- in my area. I would beg to submit this will | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
combine with the more than laudable impact of the national living wage | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
to create a third condition, and that, I suspect, will be a renewed | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
push for further mechanisation and automation as labour supply changes | :50:26. | :50:27. | |
and technology gets more powerful. If you will forgive me, the Brussels | :50:28. | :50:34. | |
sprouts in my constituency will become guinea pigs, for new research | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
into how we make growing and picking them even more affordable for | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
businesses often working on the Russia sleep tight margins thanks in | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
part to our supermarkets. We will see a rise of the rural but -- rise | :50:46. | :51:00. | |
of the rural robots. We have a huge potential to seize that industrial | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
revolution and to take back the control my constituents voted for. | :51:04. | :51:12. | |
Thank you for the opportunity. The one gallantry I think we can assume | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
is that we will return to the issues again, again and again. Not least | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
those of us who represent rural constituencies because I don't think | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
anyone would down the passion on this debate of the issues, concerns | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
and not least the issue of the hard Brexit we have heard about today. | :51:35. | :51:41. | |
Farming is critical to the local economy and the sustainability of | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
our rural communities. Live honourable friend, and the point | :51:44. | :51:50. | |
from the SNP benches and that the loss of trade, the a lot of business | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
on the broader, wider community should not be lost. Farming is | :51:55. | :52:05. | |
crucial to Wales at' a colony. It is described as Wales' Alaska great | :52:06. | :52:15. | |
economy. -- lasts. -- economy. 13% of the people in my constituency are | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
employed in the land. It has a hugely significant effect on the | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
broader economy. The UK's food and bring sector as a whole, the fourth | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
largest in our country with over ?12 billion the year to our economy. 72% | :52:31. | :52:36. | |
of exports go to the EU. The Welsh figures are somewhat higher. One | :52:37. | :52:43. | |
thing to say, the Government will keep negotiating cards close to | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
their chest, but this doesn't mean that we should not know the | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
long-term plans. Some businesses need to plan for years and have a | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
time. The concern and anxiety is order of the day amongst the small | :52:58. | :53:04. | |
hill farmers I represent in my constituency operating on margins, a | :53:05. | :53:07. | |
support regime. Not something they want to exist in the duty but they | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
are concerned that they could be on the edge of a cliff face if the rod | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
is pulled from believe their feet with huge impact. I could go in | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
Roberts, he said careful precise statements are needed now more than | :53:26. | :53:32. | |
ever. . Glynn Roberts. Yes, guarantees about funding until 2020 | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
but a three-year window to plan your business is inadequate. They need to | :53:38. | :53:40. | |
be greater. We need far greater certainty is than that. Further to | :53:41. | :53:47. | |
the crowd from Glynn Roberts, the livestock which makes up the vast | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
majority of Welsh farmers rely on exports to the continent as we have | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
made clear since the referendum that full, unfettered access is essential | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
to Wales. He goes onto say that a deal being flouted with expediency | :54:01. | :54:12. | |
and gaining a martyr with 4.5 billion -- gaining a market with 4.5 | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
million... Food and farming are central to our national identity and | :54:18. | :54:21. | |
a key part of the UK's economy, generating ?10 billion per year and | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
employing one in eight people across the country. Some of those are | :54:25. | :54:30. | |
employed on the small but none the less any less important number of | :54:31. | :54:37. | |
farms. -- none the less important. When debating farming and fisheries, | :54:38. | :54:45. | |
in what is set out today before us, I think it's important that we | :54:46. | :54:48. | |
recognise all farmers, the role that they play as a managing the | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
countryside wherever that is in the UK and the way that they do. I come | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
from a farming background. My dad worked in farming for about 40 years | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
and he's probably never had a mention in this place before. | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
Farming China is not a 9-5 job, Monday to Friday, for many. -- The | :55:07. | :55:18. | |
farming I know. And it can be challenging. That's why the | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
Government preparing tea leave the EU and guaranteeing that during | :55:24. | :55:26. | |
levels of agricultural support will be maintained until 2020 is... I'm | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
grateful. Does my honourable friend join me in being very pleased that | :55:33. | :55:40. | |
agriculture will be at the centre future trade negotiations with the | :55:41. | :55:42. | |
EU and US the world? Thank you. My hands it to that is short and | :55:43. | :55:49. | |
simple. Yes. Going onto my point of agricultural support being | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
maintained until 2020. -- answer. While a new agricultural policy is | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
being developed, and by guaranteeing for their lifetime, any environment | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
dealings in place already are agreed in the future, even if they run | :56:03. | :56:08. | |
beyond our departure from the EU. Scheme. Anything we can do to help | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
build a sense of fidelity will be good for the industry. One of the | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
issues... I'm going to continue because I know we are short of time. | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
One of the issues that local farmers have raised with me is that of | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
workforce will not a need to attract the next generation which is why the | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
stability matters. Although ensuring the agriculture sector has the | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
workforce it need for delay and that is why it's so important to | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
recognise what the PM has said in that she was to protect the stages | :56:39. | :56:45. | |
of EU national already living here. Turning more directly to the nation | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
in front of our today from the opposition, I do feel, mandated | :56:52. | :56:53. | |
beauties DJ, that it is disappointing to read that the | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
primary focus is on farming and fisheries. -- Madam Deputy Speaker. | :57:00. | :57:06. | |
It is vital that the comments even today, let's not forget there is | :57:07. | :57:13. | |
also true is in a rural economy. The many, many SMEes and sector is come | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
together to form the backbone of our economy. -- SMEs. It is a part of | :57:18. | :57:25. | |
economy as a whole and we, on the file house, continue to build and | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
strengthen it further. In the Brexit a rare, I accept there will be | :57:29. | :57:39. | |
challenges. -- on this side. Also there will be opportunities. Let's | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
go out and find them. Can I just say, before I bring in NXT agenda | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
after the next DJ, there a limit of two minutes. If does make | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
intervention, obviously the last few remaining speakers and a not | :57:54. | :58:03. | |
actually get in. Asthma after the next -- after the next. I was firmly | :58:04. | :58:13. | |
out. I have been in families of fishing for generations. All that | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
was what made me revolt against the EU. I've been jailed that we are | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
seeing massive schools of fish but there is no fish by the Census for | :58:22. | :58:28. | |
birds to ensure because they didn't meet EU standards. -- boats. This | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
did not aid our crews to do their jobs. I've had a lot of British | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
fishermen be prevented from working to ease the European and out fishing | :58:38. | :58:45. | |
at will. There has not been a problem any sea, but in Europe. A | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
decline from my counsel that a representative. Can I commend our | :58:50. | :58:56. | |
negotiators, the Secretary of State and Minister of State, to have every | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
faith in their ability to view the job we want and look forward to | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
supporting them in their entirety. When the Brexit to take place, I the | :59:06. | :59:14. | |
agri-food in our area and discussed a post Brexit market with them. The | :59:15. | :59:19. | |
Minister knows it, I met and I want to put it on record. When the | :59:20. | :59:26. | |
minister visited Northern Ireland, we stick about expanding with much | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
success beyond our shores. Signing new contract again, an indication of | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
how much they look forward to the future. Increasing market value, | :59:36. | :59:42. | |
profits. All things from my area that may have had concerned, the ice | :59:43. | :59:49. | |
cream parlour, places that will do well. The impact on rural economy | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
will come down to our trading power and the fact that the import so much | :59:54. | :59:59. | |
from the EU surely gives strength to ensure a fair return on our trade. | :00:00. | :00:02. | |
The good things we will have when leaving the EU, when it comes to | :00:03. | :00:07. | |
fishing and farming as well, these are the issues that will affect our | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
rule economy. These are the factors they might consider and most | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
importantly, the Brexit team must consider them as well. I know the | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
team is under no illusion about the difficulty of finding the right plan | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
for the majority of fishermen, farmers, producers, but this is an | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
opportunity and it is one, whenever really the EU, that cannot be | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
wasted, we can't look back and say we should have done it in a | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
different way. Let us do right way now. The people have spoken across | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
the United Kingdom collectively to leave the EU. We must now work on | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
their behalf to bring a strong, rural community that benefits from | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
the decision taken. This is our challenge. And we are two X? I | :00:50. | :01:00. | |
believe we are. -- are really up to it? . Great market towns, the | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
beautiful seaside, old-fashioned seaside towns. The stunning North | :01:04. | :01:11. | |
York Moors National Park Llinos and beautiful in the land, I say. There | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
is magnificent in landscapes Dimsdale farming, of course, but | :01:18. | :01:27. | |
also foods and Malton festivals. -- conceal. Superb jazz to ice cream. | :01:28. | :01:37. | |
Take and pork producers. -- gelato. Other businesses you may not expect, | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
like precision engineering run by Christopher Shaw. Silotech. These | :01:42. | :01:49. | |
people get up early, travelled the world, they are not lazy, they are | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
hard-working and confident of taking their products to the world. The one | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
thing they do want across the world is a level playing field. They are | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
excited by the future but we need to be realistic in this country. Quite | :02:05. | :02:12. | |
rightly, we have strong regulations on our businesses in terms of | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
workplace, comment on the environment animal welfare. If we do | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
trade deals elsewhere, we must feel that we are on a level playing field | :02:21. | :02:28. | |
with businesses in other nations to make sure that our businesses are | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
not at a competitive disadvantage. Also a level playing field in the | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
United Kingdom. Our rural areas in North Yorkshire do not get the level | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
of investment and infrastructure we see another part of the country. | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
Around half on transport project and broadband. All I would ask, and a | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
half of my constituents, they see the world as an opportunity but what | :02:53. | :03:04. | |
a level playing field. -- wants. That is where any agreement with my | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
Scottish colleagues ends, talking about the stuff that was made there. | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
I represent Taunton Deane, a rule constituency, where farmers, | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
umbrellas, rural businesses are the backbone of our economy. The farm | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
business brings in ?7 million and 2200 people work in the food and | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
drink trade. There was also the old aborted trade as well. Leaving the | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
EU an enormous opportunity for all of these businesses, providing we | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
have the framework and the right backing from this Government. I | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
believe in the Prime Minister's statement today about 70, the new, | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
global Britain and that we have been set on the right track. The | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
south-west is perfectly placed to take advantage of these | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
opportunities. Which region wins on exporting the mayors and having the | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
next contract? Well, it is the south west. We are fully set to take | :04:02. | :04:09. | |
advantage of leaving Europe. We will build on this. I agree, Madam Deputy | :04:10. | :04:21. | |
Speaker, we must not... We must not re-form the CAP. The affiliates and | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
a better place than we found it. We must build a framework at home that | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
enables all businesses to be strong in this world aside from leaving | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
Europe, if we can do that, we can build on a global market, which is | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
why I applaud this Government's pouring money into infrastructure | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
for Taunton Deane, the A358, rail projects, digital services. All of | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
these things will help us to build an environment that works for | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
everyone on a farm economy that works for everyone and a rural | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
industry that, contrary to what we hear from the opposite benches, will | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
thrive. I wanted to make a couple of | :05:00. | :05:08. | |
remarks. I've sat through this whole debate and how the contributions but | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
nobody on the SNP side actually thought that leaving the EU would a | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
good thing, and that seems very interesting, because one of the | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
curiosities of first past the post is that 38% of Scotland actually | :05:22. | :05:30. | |
voted to leave the EU but because we have that process, which I have | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
defended, the SNP were entirely negative about the prospect of | :05:35. | :05:46. | |
leaving the EU, and they have and I think in Zimbabwe they would be very | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
proud of. They are simply not representing the full range of | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
Scottish opinion. In my brief time I want to make a very obvious point. | :05:54. | :06:01. | |
For every pound we receive from the EU we put ?2 in, that is what being | :06:02. | :06:08. | |
a net contributor means. Any basis on which leaving the EU is a bad | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
thing in terms of subsidies, we can more than compensate from our own | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
budget, and the point about that is that that is something we can decide | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
for ourselves in this UK Parliament. The other thing I would say, the | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
last comment, you would think British industry never had a British | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
agricultural policy, that it never had a future before or really a | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
thriving successful past before we joined the EEC in 1975. There was a | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
British farming industry and business for a thousand years before | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
that and actually if the party 's opposite knew their history, and I | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
am surprised the Labour Party has not mention this, the Labour Party | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
brought in an agriculture act in 1947 which actually was the | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
underpinning of British agriculture, very successful act, before we | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
joined the EEC, yet none of this is remembered and we just have doom and | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
gloom from the Party brought in and agriculture act in 1947 which | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
actually was the underpinning of British agriculture, very successful | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
act, before we joined the EEC, yet none of this is remembered and we | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
just have doom and gloom from the parties opposite. Thank you, Madam | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
Speaker. I am delighted to represent a beautiful part of the constituency | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
but it is incumbent on us all to remember although the country is | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
beautiful it is not a museum. There are a very real jobs there, people's | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
very real livelihoods, and that is extremely important. In the very | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
brief time available to me I would like to make one point. The minister | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
will no doubt remember there is a pioneering work going on in my | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
constituency at Sunnydale farm she has visited with me, and only | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
recently I went to visit a little bit in Milton under Wychwood which | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
is taking this scheme to a very real and practical end. A partnership of | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
local landowners, the community and the Environment Agency working | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
together on upstream flood storage in the valley, and these measures | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
include tree-planting, re-routing of streams to follow their natural | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
causes, and I turned to this point for one good and clear purpose. | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
There is an economic benefit to this as well as environmental. Fruit | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
trees create the fruit industry, they create word that can be | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
harvested for the local community, it enables local sustainable | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
businesses to create jobs and money. Little stock book is essentially an | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
open-air laboratory and the reason I mention it is because of the way the | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
CAP is funded it makes it difficult for small community endeavours such | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
as this to gain the funding they need because they tend to favour a | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
very big schemes and land owners. Leaving the CAP gives us a golden | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
opportunity to rework these schemes so it works for all. So the | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
landowners in our communities are easily able to access the funding | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
they need rather than having environmental schemes packed on as | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
an afterthought. As the minister said earlier, these schemes can be | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
at the heart of it from the very beginning. Thank you. Thank you, | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
Madam Speaker. Before I begin I should declare an interest as an | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
active crofter. Can I congratulate all of my honourable friends who | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
have spoken so passionately about the threats to our rural economies. | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
It is a real concern, about what the future holds for many of us. For us, | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
Europe and the Single Market is about opportunities for growth, | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
investment and jobs. It is about the best opportunity to create | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
sustainable economic growth, playing to our strengths, to benefit from | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
the Single Market. Our opportunity to create a vibrant prosperous | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
economy hinges on access to the Single Market. It is a foundation | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
stone of our desire to enhance our productive potential and deliver | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
strong sustainable growth. For Scotland to succeed, we need | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
additional labour. This is no more so than in the Highlands. We need | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
people who want to be part of our story and help us deliver that | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
modern vibrant economy to stop we want free movement of people. Why | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
would we want to remove ourselves from this opportunity? Sadly, I must | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
apologise. I do not have time. What the Prime Minister should come clean | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
about is that a hard Brexit means uncertainty for investment, it means | :10:28. | :10:35. | |
a threat to jobs and for trading -- for those trading with the EU, it | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
means a threat to that. Madame Deputy Speaker, sterling is down as | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
a consequence of Brexit. Make no mistake. Inflation is on the rise | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
and it is driven by a fall in sterling. We will have higher | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
inflation as the cost of imports reflects the fall in the value of | :10:53. | :11:00. | |
the pound. Inflation rose to 1.6%, the highest level since July 2014. | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
Having seen real wages rise over the last couple of years, rising | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
inflation is going to choke off any rise in real wage growth. The Prime | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
Minister speaks of one thing to trade with Europe, but as a simple | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
answer that the best route to trade with Europe is by retaining access | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
to the Single Market. You cannot walk away from market access and | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
expect to put a solution back on the table again quickly. There will be a | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
cost, and that cost will be higher costs of participation and lost | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
jobs. Let me take an industry that is important in Ross, Skye and | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
Lochaber, salmon farming. As members of the Single Market we have tariff | :11:45. | :11:53. | |
free access. At five of 2% and salmon sold into the Single Market | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
as a consequence, but guitarist for nonmembers is 8% for access to | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
Europe. That is the threat for our fish farming sector, if we're to see | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
the ending of access to the single -- but a tariff for nonmembers. In | :12:07. | :12:14. | |
2015 exports to the EU represented 69% of Scotland's overall food | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
exports. There is clearly a threat to Paris to these exports. That is a | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
price that is simply not worth paying. Why would we willingly seek | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
to disadvantage Scottish seafood producers and farmers and crofters? | :12:30. | :12:39. | |
-- a threat to tariffs. We have a plan to keep Scotland in the Single | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
Market even if the rest of the UK weaves. The options brought forward | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
by the devolved administrations, acknowledging Scotland delivered a | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
clear message against leaving the EU and recognise that in our case we | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
are demonstrating the importance of free movement and the Single Market | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
to Scotland's economy. Our Government in Edinburgh is outward | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
looking, internationalist and secure in seeing our destiny for Scotland | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
as being part of the family in nations -- of nations in Europe was | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
open, looking for people who stick to come to Scotland to work, study | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
and invest, but critically to enrich our society from the contribution | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
they can make as new Scots. Scotland looking outward whilst the UK wants | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
to pull up the drawbridge. A UK where the welcome mat is no longer | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
put out. I UK which is closed to Europe and European migration. | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
Madame Deputy Speaker, it reminds me of the newspaper headline from the | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
past. Fog in the Channel, continent cut off. The reality from hard | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
Brexit is it will be the UK cut off, cut off from the Single Market, from | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
European trade. Look at what the Prime Minister has said today and, | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
you know, for the benches opposite it is a laughing matter, but there | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
is a real threat to jobs and prosperity for people in Scotland. | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
No access to the Single Market, it is the road to self-destruction. | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
Contrast the inward looking turning your back on Europe message from the | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
UK Government with the forward-looking document published | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
by the Scottish Government in December. Scotland's place in | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
Europe. A road map allowing us to work with the UK to achieve a | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
settlement that respects the vote taken in the UK but seeks to protect | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
our economic interests. A road map that respects the UK has voted to | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
leave, but seeks an appreciation of our position that Scotland voted to | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
remain. That is why when we see a UK Government that is so driven to take | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
us out of the Single Market and to damage our rural economy that we | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
say, not in our name. Let me be clear. Europe has been good for the | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
Highlands and Islands. Europe recognised the importance of | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
investing in the Highlands. Take the convergence funds, put in place in | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
recognition of our more level support for Scottish farmers and | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
crofters than was the case in most of Europe. Madame Deputy Speaker, | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
223 million euros of extra funding are fair your period, granted to the | :15:12. | :15:19. | |
UK, on a clear understanding -- a four year period. Understanding this | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
would help Scottish crofters and farmers, but sadly the farming | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
minister took a different view in 2014 and 2015. Scotland would only | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
get a pro rata share, 16% of the total. Put simply, Scottish farmers | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
and crofters were done out of funds by a Westminster Government that | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
they failed to pass on, and the EU had met this to come to Scotland. It | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
is not the Westminster Government, but it is fairness from Europe we | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
were done out of. Europe wanted to help Scottish crofters and farmers | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
but Westminster once again short-change them. They then farming | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
Minister Owen Paterson promised a review of how the funds were to be | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
allocated, and it was to take place in 2016. The honourable member, the | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
current minister, confirmed this would take place after the devolved | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
elections last May. Madame Deputy Speaker there has been no review. We | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
need to say to the people of Scotland, you can contrast the | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
behaviour of Europe and that sought by the Scottish crofters and | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
farmers, that they were denied funds, not from Europe, but from | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
Westminster. We were promised a review. It has not happened. It is | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
little wonder we worry as to what will happen to our crofters and | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
farmers post Brexit. Will the Minister guarantee to protect the | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
existing CAP funding for Scottish farmers post 2020? Support from the | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
CAP are meant to two third of total net farm income in Scotland. Between | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
2014 and 2020 Scotland will receive around 4.6 billion euros in funding. | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
We need an assurance that funding for farming and crofting will be | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
ring fenced. In Scotland, 85% of our land is designated as less favoured | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
areas, with a reliance on livestock production. We need to reassure | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
farmers and crofters that active farming and crofting will be | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
supported. Powers over farming and fishing must be devolved to the | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
Scottish Parliament but it must come with a commitment to funding. We | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
cannot be short-changed again. Creating sustainable communities, | :17:28. | :17:29. | |
empowering communities of the Highlands and Islands, takes hard | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
work. Our region is full of signs products ended by the EU -- project | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
funded by the EU. Much infrastructure has benefited from | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
the funding. The revival of the Gaelic language has been aided by EU | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
funding, not least the college in sky. The Highlands Leader Funding | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
Programme, ready to make contributions of 6.6 million into | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
the Highlands this year. We need to know that will be supported. In | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
summing up I should remind the Prime Minister the people of Scotland are | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
sovereign. That has been the historic context for us. It is not | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
parliamentary sovereignty but the sovereignty of our people. Will the | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
Prime Minister work with us to protect Scotland's interests in | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
retaining access to the Single Market? Let me say that. Failure to | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
do so will mean the Union you cherish will be put to a fresh | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
question. Respect Scotland, risk of the consequence that we will seize | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
the day. A referendum on Scotland's future may be our only alternative | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
if we are to protect Scotland from a hard Brexit. | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. It's been an interesting debate and I'm grateful | :18:42. | :18:51. | |
for the contributions from the ruble members. I hope to cover all points. | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
Currently, ?200 billion of contributed to the economy. The | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
contribution of the sector is as big as it is in the urban economy. As | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
highlighted today, the sectors of food farming, fishing and tourism | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
play a huge role in building rural community and preserving and | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
protecting the environment. In particular, in the countryside, | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
there are very many small businesses which cover all sorts of industries, | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
says we hired proportionally than other areas. The rural economy is | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
vibrant and diverse, but not without its challenges. Productivity in | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
predominantly rural areas is bigger than urban areas. While saffron's | :19:31. | :19:38. | |
responsibilities lie with England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland | :19:39. | :19:45. | |
face similar challenges. -- Defra. That would be gay in the European | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
Union and that is why we address them just now. We are trying to | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
improve life opportunities for those living in rural areas. We have done | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
much to support and who's the rural economy. Nine represent the mac | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
enterprise zones were set up and more will be in April. This will get | :20:04. | :20:12. | |
answers. -- enterprise zones. Funding development anyone got | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
error. In the Autumn we doubled rural rate relief to 8% and little | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
give a much-needed boost to 8% and little give a much-needed obesity | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
businesses, saving them every year. We are... Many premises can now | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
access to grow fat and broadband and it'll reach a higher level by next | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
year. In addition to that, our universal service obligation of | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
every premises and receiving 10 megabytes will be particularly | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
important for the rural unity. Reform of the telecommunications | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
Jerry is a key part of the Digital economy Bill going through | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
Parliament and this is going to help increase rural coverage of mobile | :20:52. | :20:53. | |
phones but also the provision of fibre. This will enable our industry | :20:54. | :21:01. | |
to existing maths, grading and sharing equipment which will benefit | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
mobile coverage in rural and the area is full of making it easier to | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
work in rural areas. There are pilot programmes in Northumberland and | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
Staffordshire providing 30 hours every child care for toddlers with a | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
further roll-out set this year. Also through 30 hours free childcare, we | :21:21. | :21:29. | |
will receive free funding raids, benefiting many rural areas. As my | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
honourable friend from Macclesfield and Salisbury pointed out, there is | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
a need to work on future skills and career farming is an attractive | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
industry and provide the skills for employees. I can assure them of our | :21:40. | :21:47. | |
Redmond to travel the number of apprenticeships to -- commitment to | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
treble. Mr Speaker, my honourable friend, the Prime Minister, was | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
clear today that we will pursue an ambitious devolved free-trade | :22:01. | :22:02. | |
agreement with the European Union. It is important, she stated, that we | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
are not seeking membership of the single market by the greatest | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
possible access to it through a new, comprehensive, bold agreements. That | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
Northern Ireland and England to make Northern Ireland and England to make | :22:18. | :22:18. | |
sure they take full advantage of the economic opportunities we have | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
today. There is been considerable discussion about devolution and, as | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
the Prime Minister reiterated, this is important that the joint | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
ministerial committee in EU negotiations has been established so | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
ministers from each devolved administration can contribute to the | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
process of planning our departure from the EU. As it has already been | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
referred to, we have received a paper from the Scottish Government | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
and will draw the receiving wantonly from the welsh common. Both will be | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
considered. It's important to stress that our guiding principle is to | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
ensure that, as the leave the EU, no barriers within our union are | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
created and that means maintaining the necessary framework for our | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
domestic markets, empowering the UK as an open, trading nation to strike | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
the best trade deals around the world and protect our islands. As | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
they do this, the Prime Minister has been absolutely clear that no | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
decisions to be taken by the devolved administrations will be | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
removed from them. It is very clear there will be no power grabbed. With | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
regard to migrant workers, rated eight, as they drop plans to leave | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
the EU, we are harnessing the industry's knowledge and experience, | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
ensuring their voice is heard. As my honourable friend, the Secretary of | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
State, indicated, access to labour is an important part of our | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
discussions and we are committed to working in your industry to make | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
sure they have the right people with the right skills. Arab EU nationals, | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
rated by Scottish members, the Prime Minister reiterated again today he | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
desired he this issue resolved. -- around. To see this issue. Regarding | :23:52. | :24:01. | |
CAP payments, we want farmers to have that certainty and we have said | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
they will receive the same level of financial trouble until 2020. I love | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
the double of many honourable and right honourable members on the | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
opportunities brought on agricultural policy, this led to the | :24:15. | :24:16. | |
needs of this nation. There will be a Green paper published in due | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
course, which will give everyone the opportunity to offer people on our | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
future design. I like the thought of my honourable friend from Newbury, | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
Right Honourable friend, who I would expect to get a good thoughts on as | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
my predecessor, his three pronged approach of thinking of the | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
agricultural and social objectives on small farmers will get a lot of | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
support. With regards to CAP pellet two, the Government will also | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
continue to guarantee funding for structural investment fund projects | :24:48. | :24:49. | |
at before we leave and continuing after we have left. This includes | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
the rural development programme and the maritime fisheries programme. | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
Funding for these programmes of the honoured where they provide good | :24:58. | :24:59. | |
value for money and are in line with the nitty-gritty priorities. These | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
conditions will be applied in such a way that the current pipeline -- | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
strategic. Environment schemes beginning this month. The devolved | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
administrations will sign of the investment fund under the current EU | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
allocation. The Government will make sure they are funded to meet these | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
commitments. On the issue of fisheries, we are continued them are | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
committed to acting on the common fisheries policy and putting in | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
place a new regime. We want users opportunity to make sure our | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
industry is competitive and profitable, and that the environment | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
is improved for future relations. The Government will continue to | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
deliver this. Working closely with indices on deciding future rules. -- | :25:44. | :25:51. | |
on delivering this. Including the law on EC and the UN agreement. In | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
terms of leaving the EU, we want to make our own decisions about how to | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
deliver the policy objectives previously targeted by EU funding. | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
As pointed out by several honourable members today, we have to make sure | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
that the EU funding is UK taxpayer funding and how that is spent in due | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
course. We will consult closely with stakeholders to reveal all EU | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
funding schemes and ensure that any ongoing commitment to best serve the | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
national interest while having appropriate investor certainty. City | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
deals and evolution have been a feature of improving local economies | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
and we are seeing more rural economy is being business. In Scotland, the | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
Government has given considerable support, ?2.3 billion worth, to the | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
oil and gas industry in year alone. We guess that independence was made | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
by the Scottish Government on the base of a high oil prices above the | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
economy. It's a good job the union has also bought for the industry in | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
the challenging times. -- pulled together to support. This has been | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
an important debate, highlighting the importance of the rural economy. | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
What can I say, Mr Speaker, what we heard from the honourable gentleman | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
from Ross, Skye and Lochaber is that we are all doomed. Far from it. As | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
the Prime Minister has said, Brexit means Brexit and we will make a | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
success of it. We are determined to get the best deal on leaving the EU | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
for the British people. We want a world leading food and farming | :27:23. | :27:25. | |
industry and the healthiest environment for generations. We are | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
clear that, when leaving the EU law into UK law, that is non-negotiable | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
and we will make sure that the environment is protected, not | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
enhanced for future generations. -- if not enhanced. I support the | :27:41. | :27:49. | |
amendment. The question is that the original words and part of it. As | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no". | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
Division. Click the lobby. -- clear. As many as are of the opinion, say | :27:58. | :30:29. | |
"aye". To the contrary, "no". The tellers for the eyes, Alan Johnson | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
and Marion Fellows. Tellers for the noes, the Brian. -- ayes. -- Steve | :30:35. | :30:46. | |
Brian. The ayes to the right, 212. The noes | :30:47. | :41:30. | |
to the left, 287. The ayes to the right, 212. The noes to the left, | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
287, so the noes have it. The noes have it. Unlock. Order. We now come | :41:36. | :41:46. | |
to the question that the proposed words be there added. As many as are | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary, 'no'. I think the ayes | :41:50. | :41:57. | |
have it. The ayes have it. The situation is I declare the question | :41:58. | :42:04. | |
as amended to be agreed to. We now come to the second opposition Day | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
motion in the name of the leader of the SNP. Point of order, indeed. I | :42:10. | :42:18. | |
inadvertently referred to the my remarks in the last debate the | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
registry and I hope this is a means of drawing the House's attention to | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
that fact and drawing attention to my mission. I am grateful to the | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
honourable gentleman both for his good grace and pettiness in | :42:31. | :42:32. | |
communicating the point which I think we'll have been warmly | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
received by colleagues across the House. We now come to the second | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
opposition day motion in the name of the leader of the Scottish National | :42:41. | :42:46. | |
Party and the effect for the Department for Environment, Food | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
Rural Affairs policies on low income households. I informed the House has | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister. I also take | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
this opportunity to remind the House that this debate can run only until | :42:56. | :43:02. | |
beta clock. -- until 8pm. There are 17 colleagues were -- wishing to | :43:03. | :43:09. | |
speak from the backbenches and I know those speaking from the front | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
bench will jealously guard the rights and interests of those | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
wishing to speak from the back, therefore the frontbenchers should | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
absolutely not exceed ten minutes each in their speeches, and if they | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
can speak for less time than that they will be addressing a grateful | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
nation. As many as are of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary, | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
'no'. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I stand to move the motion in my name and | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
that of my honourable friend. According to the UK Government | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
universal credit was supposed to bring fairness and simplicity and I | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
ask you to hold that thought and share the experiences of some of my | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
constituents, the experiences of people trying to help them, and even | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
those of DUP staff trying to negotiate through the -- navigate | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
them through universal credit. We are suffering the better effects and | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
chaos of the full service roll-out earlier in other areas. It is | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
hurting people who need help the most, and I know if honourable | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
member is the chamber could see the grief it causes at first hand they | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
would understand why I am passionate about this. Mr Speaker, before I | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
sure some of the experiences of my constituents I want to tell | :44:19. | :44:21. | |
honourable members of my recent meetings with their Citizens Advice | :44:22. | :44:30. | |
officers, who have experience dealing with some of the most | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
challenging situations we could imagine. Fork at the end of their | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
tether and sometimes even at the end their lives -- folk at. When I met | :44:38. | :44:45. | |
with them last week, they were moved to tears telling me about their | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
universal credit caseload. They told me of the suffering they were | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
witnessing, they told me this roll-out is a shambles and that | :44:52. | :44:53. | |
nobody in the system communicate with each other. Mr Speaker, they | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
told me the process simply does not work. They see neither fairness nor | :44:59. | :45:05. | |
simplicity. The transitional protection is limited and will not | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
protect new claimants. It also will be lost if the household undergoes | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
changes in circumstances and it does not protect people against the | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
anguish and suffering that lengthy delays are causing people. Once | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
again, the disabled are some of the hardest hit by the move to universal | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
credit. The loss of the Severe Disability Premium has taken almost | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
62... I will make some progress because other members wish to take | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
part. The loss of the Severe Disability Premium has taken almost | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
?62 per week out of the pockets of the most critically disabled. Cuts | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
to the disabled child admission mean 100,000 disabled children stand to | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
lose up to ?29 per week. Severe disability cuts mean disabled | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
parents with young carers stand to lose ?50 a week, and around ?30 a | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
week will be lost to those -- ?58 a week, and around ?38 a week will be | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
lost to those... I will give way, very briefly. Thanks for giving way. | :46:07. | :46:14. | |
I wonder if he shares my concern at the lack of information and data at | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
the DWP have on their own activities, particularly with the | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
most vulnerable claimants. I asked the department on the 10th of | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
January to give me the number of people who have had their benefits | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
withdrawn or suspended in the process of transforming leader | :46:29. | :46:35. | |
transferring -- transferring, and they go back and said they did not | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
know. Is that not shocking? it is, and once again disabled people have | :46:41. | :46:46. | |
been found unfit for work and I still expected to take steps towards | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
finding work. This group includes those who have suffered serious | :46:50. | :46:56. | |
injuries. In the early stages of progressive conditions such as | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
multiple sclerosis and those with learning difficulties. Disability | :47:01. | :47:03. | |
employment is a long-standing unique issue of the process of universal | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
credit is creating more barriers for them in the workplace. The Prime | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
Minister has been speaking about Jam, the so-called just about | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
managing. Thanks to universal credit, for many families their | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
income is about to be tossed. I suggest the Prime Minister comes to | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
Inverness and speaks to my constituents about our shared | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
society, those families with children up ?236 per -- ?230 per | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
year worse off according to the Children's Society. To the Lone | :47:35. | :47:40. | |
parents, losing ?15 a week. To that young people and their families who | :47:41. | :47:43. | |
will be pushed further into poverty because of reductions in the | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
standard allowances. The four-year freeze on support for children will | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
see the value of the children's benefits cut by 12% by the end of | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
the decade. Universal credit will not only failed to lift children out | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
of poverty. It will push them further into poverty. Citizens | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
Advice has said universal credit is failing to live up to its promise. | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
From the outset, people have experienced problems. Delays to | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
claims and errors to payments. The Public Accounts Committee found the | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
systems were underdeveloped and said there was increasing pressure on DWP | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
staff. My team and I see it every day, day in, day out. Only yesterday | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
a constituent Laura Shepherd got in touch, at the end of her tether. Her | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
20-year-old son Douglas has severe autism and has been on the waiting | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
list for a work capability assessment since the end of | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
September. During this time they have had no disability support. Just | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
the minimum level of universal credit, only ?200 a month. Quite | :48:45. | :48:56. | |
understandably the family are trying to get this sorted out, get their | :48:57. | :48:58. | |
claim backdated to cover a period when they were incorrectly given | :48:59. | :49:00. | |
child tax credits instead of universal credit. Universal credit | :49:01. | :49:02. | |
team cannot even give her dates for disability work assessment for her | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
son. His assessment of that nature are done by an external contractor. | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
They actually told her, in writing, to contact me as her MP because they | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
were at a loss of what to do. The wife of an officer serving in our | :49:19. | :49:21. | |
army has now been waiting five months for assistance with childcare | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
costs. Five months with no payments. Suffering a catalogue of errors and | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
very sporadic communication, she could not get her problems sorted | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
out because even the DWP staff on universal credit are not allowed to | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
speak to the service centre or claims manager. Everything has to be | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
duplicated by e-mail, leading to confusion and lost information. | :49:44. | :49:46. | |
Also, this so-called helpline. Who Also, this so-called helpline. Who | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
on earth thought it was a great idea to make this a premium calling? It | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
is shameful that people with no money are being made to spend their | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
last pennies on premium wines. What do they do if they have no credit on | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
their mobile phones? That is if it has not had to be pondered to make | :50:07. | :50:09. | |
up for the money they are not getting through waiting for their | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
payments. -- if it has to be pawned. When they call the helpline they are | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
left on hold whilst DWP staff try to sort out errors for more than 20 | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
minutes. We asked them to monitor calls and they found none were under | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
the Government's stated waiting time of three minutes 27 seconds. In fact | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
all 36 the logs were for longer. The longest, a staggering 54 minutes and | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
17 seconds. Sometimes they are offered a Colback, and if they are | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
lucky and get to their telephone on time, if it happens at all they will | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
get it -- offered a call back. But they only get one shot at that. It | :50:51. | :50:58. | |
is like a universal credit version of Catch-22. The transfer to the | :50:59. | :51:00. | |
Digital has already been halted and the halfway house emerging is right | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
for confusion. People can make online claims some of the time get | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
me to take the original copy of letters to the job centre at their | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
own cost. A report detailing the impact of the new scheme in Glasgow | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
not only that claimants are struggling but that the | :51:17. | :51:18. | |
controversial scheme is putting services and jobs at risk as well. | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
There is a lack of and explanation as to the general reasons for a | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
claim and those with special needs are often left to struggle and face | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
the sanctions following. Where is the furnace, where is the | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
simplicity? The system is manufacturing debt and despondency | :51:38. | :51:38. | |
-- where is the fairness? Am ?25 per night at ?100 per week. | :51:39. | :51:51. | |
One of my constituents, Gavin, has been living in homeless | :51:52. | :51:58. | |
accommodations. He would have been awarded ?168 housing benefits, | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
leaving him ?7 to pay out of his other entitlement. Under Universal | :52:03. | :52:07. | |
Credit, he has the same housing cost but have yet ?63 per week. Meaning | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
you have to pay ?115 per week promised allowances. Only doesn't | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
get ?115 per week. Even if he gave up food, heat, light and everything | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
else and that everything Penny, he would still be short. Of course, | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
Gavin and others will always be in arrears. It is flawed by design. | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
Very briefly. Does he not agree with me that the rise in inflation will | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
hit poorest families hardest and the Government you tried to counter the | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
effects given the fall in sterling following the Brexit strategy? | :52:43. | :52:51. | |
Absolutely. I have people on waiting three with three months Universal | :52:52. | :53:00. | |
Credit. It is a hound council left carrying the death of money Gavin | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
and others simply don't have. -- Ireland. The Government has accrued | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
extra debt of ?180,000 from Universal Credit. According to a | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
City Council, 73 homeless people in Glasgow are now on the benefit. The | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
City Council. And have racked up thousands of pounds of arrears | :53:22. | :53:25. | |
between them. A management organisation and the ordination in | :53:26. | :53:32. | |
relation for candle housing, representing Haslam homes in | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
England. There are people in readily is. -- Council homes. -- rent | :53:38. | :53:46. | |
arrears. Who don't receive Universal Credit. The average arrears total is | :53:47. | :53:56. | |
now increased to ?616. The SNP Scottish Government have done | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
everything it can to mitigate Tory welfare cuts. New devolved powers | :54:01. | :54:08. | |
will include disability benefits. With these wanted new palace, we | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
will seek to build a Scottish social tissue releases them with dignity | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
and respect at its heart. -- social security system. It is wrong that | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
the Government and the council should foot the bill in the cup. | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
It's also true that the proposal to cut 50% of job centres in Glasgow is | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
a bad idea. A subject I know my colleagues will speak again shortly. | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
That's not get, these proposals come on the back of last year's | :54:38. | :54:44. | |
announcement drew close 108 M RC offices across the UK. Several HMRC | :54:45. | :54:51. | |
offices. With job losses. There is a college in the in the indignity and | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
a crushing drive towards increased poverty in the Universal Credit | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
system. Long delays in payment, what payments, value to respond, mixed | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
signals, confusion between departments, crushing morale for the | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
poor job centre plus staph and inability to respond to common sense | :55:09. | :55:18. | |
are rife. -- staff. We have to think about those he need our help rather | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
than those who stand to profit from austerity. The questionnaires as on | :55:22. | :55:32. | |
the order paper. -- the question Thank you. As the Prime Minister has | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
said, the Prime Minister wants to build a country that works for | :55:38. | :55:39. | |
everyone, not just the privileged few. There is a key role in | :55:40. | :55:47. | |
delivering this job centre. We want to deliver a modern and effective | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
welfare system. Providing professional, tailored support. For | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
those hundreds of thousands of people already in receipt of | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
Universal Credit, we ensure they work and progressing of work will | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
always pay. What we have had to make difficult decisions on his welfare | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
spending, but we have never lost sight of the fact that the most | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
sustainable route out of poverty and just managing to get into work. | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
Universal Credit lies at the heart of this. Transforming the welfare | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
system to make sure with holidays, it pays to participate, and to | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
progress. This, in contrast to the system before 2010, of which in work | :56:26. | :56:31. | |
poverty increased between 1998 and 2010 between wealth are, despite | :56:32. | :56:37. | |
wealth are increasing. We are building a fairer system that will | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
mirror the world of work and we eradicate the complexities in the | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
old system. There are no Alice, rules or cliff edges in Universal | :56:48. | :56:53. | |
Credit as there are in tax credits. . On occasion, working working | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
again. Universal Credit also have the need to switch between the | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
benefit of claimants switched to and on in work. Sybil Viney says and | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
ensuring for claimants. Our approach is working. The claimant count has | :57:07. | :57:12. | |
dropped from 1.5 million to around 800,000 from 2010. We are at near | :57:13. | :57:19. | |
record levels of employment across the country. Once fully rolled out, | :57:20. | :57:26. | |
leaving Universal Credit will generate ?7 billion we benefit every | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
year and boost employment by up to 300,000. We are not done yet. We | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
believe that making work pay and opening up opportunities for people | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
to realise their potential are essential to building an economy | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
that works for all. By reducing Universal Credit, further improving | :57:41. | :57:49. | |
the incentive, households. It is an clear that many disabled people, the | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
barriers to work are still too high. We need to continue to review and | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
reform our support given what we know works. We will build on the | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
success of Universal Credit and provide more personalised employment | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
support by consulting on further reform for the workplace mobility | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
assessment. Our green pepper on work. Catherine Green paper. We'll | :58:09. | :58:16. | |
go further in marching -- Green paper will govern enlarging this. It | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
is designed to encourage and support claimants to return to work. We have | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
allocated ?330 million for new ones abroad for people with limited | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
capability for work over 40 years, starting from April 2017 and an | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
extra ?50 million to top up the existing flexible support for the | :58:35. | :58:42. | |
Indo 2018, 2018 -- 2017-2018 and 2018-2019. Looking at our benefit | :58:43. | :58:49. | |
reforms in isolation, failure to appreciate the wider work of the | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
Government in providing support for those on lower income, the thing | :58:53. | :58:59. | |
single most important thing has been what it has facilitated. People are | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
sharing in their proceeds. Average as all incomes are at an all-time | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
high, incoming equality has fallen and paying bottom 5% in society is | :59:09. | :59:14. | |
up 6.2% year-on-year. The higher rise since the series began in the | :59:15. | :59:22. | |
year 1997. I do not have time to list all the other advances we've | :59:23. | :59:28. | |
made because time is short but we must acknowledge the most | :59:29. | :59:29. | |
transformational. We've introduced the national living wage. Increased | :59:30. | :59:36. | |
the best of all backgrounds to ?11,000. The Didcot taxpayer pays | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
less tax than 2010. We've we've introduced the triple lock so | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
pensioners with a full state pension received over ?1100 a year more than | :59:46. | :59:49. | |
at the start of the last Parliament. -- typical taxpayer. We want to hear | :59:50. | :59:57. | |
the SNP's opinion on this. Free childcare from 15 hours up to 30 | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
hours as well as introducing 15 hours of free childcare for | :00:02. | :00:07. | |
disadvantaged two-year-old as well as free school meals for all | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
infants. Tackling child poverty and disadvantage, delivering real social | :00:13. | :00:14. | |
reform, is a key priority for the Government. Only by tackling the | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
root causes, not just the symptoms, Willie Mae gaining even though -- | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
will we make a meaningful difference. For these reasons that | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
we introduced two new statutory measures. Tackling children's | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
education attainment. We know that can make a big difference to | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
disadvantaged children. The forthcoming Green paper on social | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
Justice will build on these measures and set out how we identified and | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
tackle the root causes of property. Alongside our policy targeted at | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
helping people progress in that and potential, we are also committed to | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
continuing to modernising and professional writing the services | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
and supporting our job centre's of. -- that our job centres offer. We | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
need to make the most of the opportunities offered. I'm pleased | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
that the honourable members cabaret star plans for the job centre is | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
made as they are one of the best examples of how we are in fact doing | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
this. After 20 years, Labour's PFI contract covering many DWP offices | :01:25. | :01:33. | |
is nearing an end and expires at the end of March 20 18. This gives us an | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
opportunity to review how the department delivers modern services | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
and ensure that gets the best deal. As I've already mentioned, revolves | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
like Universal Credit, our universe revolutionising this. This better | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
suits to the of claimants. I give away. Thank you. I wonder if he | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
would comment regarding the disability employment gap because | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
surely closing job centres actually makes obtaining employment less | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
accessible people with disability and increases the hurdles they face | :02:06. | :02:13. | |
in doing so. As you know, at the house knows, reducing the disability | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
employment gap is absolute priority for the Government and I'm pleased | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
to see that it is now narrowing and we're making progress but there is a | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
great deal more to do. Nvidia denies that. We have to make sure there are | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
more opportunities available to people with disabilities, including | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
through our network. Nobody denies that. We have to make sure we have | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
the resort is in place to have all the people, facilities and causes | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
that can help support those people. -- courses. The paint has dropped | :02:41. | :02:49. | |
from 1.5 million to 800,000 now. We are using only a small percent of | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
the floor space. That's 20% of the value of 100% of the. Every penny we | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
spend on space under this Labour PFI is money that could be back in the | :03:03. | :03:09. | |
public purse helping to protect vital services and... I have to ask | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
his forgiveness. Those services and the board include our own because | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
they are expanding what region. We expect to have over 2000 more were | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
cages in 201890 to date. In deciding what changes it is reasonable to | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
make the VSA, we consider the impact on claimants, including travel time. | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
We think it's reasonable to ask somebody to attend a new job centre | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
less than three miles, 20 minutes by public transport, Wayne. Many | :03:39. | :03:47. | |
claimants -- away. Many travel considerably further, as the many | :03:48. | :03:56. | |
people in work. The UK, and has devolved powers were ?2.7 billion to | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
the Scottish Government. Scotland can top up benefits and it can | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
create new benefits. With that comes the corresponding responsibility and | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
accountability and I was interested to note that the guy Scottish | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
Government is to return to fortnightly payments and direct | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
payments to landlords. We believe we should minimise the difference | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
between the out of work welfare support system and the will of work | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
to facilitate people's transition into work. Few employers paid | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
fortnightly and even fewer have a direct relationship with your | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
landlord. We need to arrange alternative payment arrangements and | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
that is not the right approach was that we appreciate the Scottish | :04:42. | :04:43. | |
Government has a different view and it'll be interesting to see how the | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
duo deliver. This Government's record speaks for itself. Poverty is | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
down, child poverty is down, the deficit is down. The fastest growing | :04:54. | :05:02. | |
G7 economy in 2016 and there are more people in work. The welfare | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
system is supported and effective. Work for those who can, help for | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
those who coo, care for those who can't. Taking together Universal | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
Credit and our reform of jobs in the past to provide the modern, | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
effective and compassionate welfare system we need to be able to | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
continue to deliver on this promise. An economy and society which works | :05:23. | :05:23. | |
fall. The question was as on the order | :05:24. | :05:34. | |
paper, since when an amendment was proposed as on the order paper. The | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
question is that the original words stand part of the question. Before I | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
call the Labour spokesperson, I inform the House formerly, and some | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
colleagues have been notified privately, that there will be a time | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
limit on backbench speeches of three minutes in my attempt to ensure... | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
And if the honourable gentleman listens he will learn... That | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
everyone who sought to speak has the opportunity to do so. Fairness and | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
equality, Mr McDonald. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. The Minister | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
paints such a rosy picture, and yet we had the SNP spokesmen giving his | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
cases from what he has experience and I could give cases, and I am | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
sure members on the Government benches can also give cases they | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
have been dealing with, whether in relation to work capability | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
assessment, whether in relation to other cuts they have experienced. It | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
is absolutely right we debate this very important point. The minister | :06:37. | :06:43. | |
started expressing the commitment that the Prime Minister has made to | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
a country that works for everyone. We need to scrutinise exactly those | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
words. And, more to the point, if they are actually true. In | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
particular, in relation to the Social Security policies and their | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
impact on low income households, but, Mr Speaker, to understand the | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
Government's attacks on the poor, and how they are so damaging, it is | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
not just to understand how the experienced this but it is also | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
about how damaging it is to the country as a whole, and we need to | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
understand that in the context of inequalities. Now, I worked on this | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
for over 20 years before I entered this House six years ago and I | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
particularly focused on the effects of inequalities in income and wealth | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
and on our health, and there is overwhelming evidence from the last | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
30 years that shows the risk of prove health and lower life | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
expectancy increases from high to low income groups -- the risk of | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
poorer health. My dear friend Frank Dobson said there is no greater | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
inequality, than knowing you will die sooner because you are badly | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
off. This pattern of illness is systematically produced and | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
universal. It is not about the individual, or biological factors. | :08:06. | :08:15. | |
It is about this inherent systematic socially reproduced inequality. They | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
are not inevitable. They can be changed, and for that we should all | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
have hope. We know from pioneering work from professors Richard Wilson | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
is in Chapecoense -- Richard Wilkinson and call that these do not | :08:30. | :08:41. | |
affect... The also affect mental health, crime, happiness, and even | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
trust between communities. The simple truth is the smaller the gap | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
between rich and poor the better we all do. So when the Prime Minister | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
claims she wants to tackle these burning injustices I have to ask | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
her, where has she been? These injustices have been burning while | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
she was a senior member of Government. Now she is Prime | :09:04. | :09:05. | |
Minister, what is she doing to address them? And again I will go on | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
to say, not a lot. This week, as the World Economic Forum gets underway | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
in Davos, we hear the same warnings we heard from the IMF in 2015, that | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
widening inequalities is the most defining challenge of our time. Last | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
week we heard yet again of obscene pay ratios with top executives now | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
earning 130 times more than the average employee takes on. | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
Yesterday, Oxfam published the breathtaking figure that eight | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
individuals have a combined wealth of more than half - half of the | :09:41. | :09:59. | |
bottom... And the publishing of inequalities in the UK showed that | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
pre-tax pay between high and low earners has risen. Since 2010 | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
working people on low incomes, particularly families with children, | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
have lost proportionally more of their income than any other group. | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
As a net result of tax and social security changes. This Government | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
has glossed over this problem with the use of divisive rhetoric. | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
Repeatedly they have fled poverty and inequality are the pathology of | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
the individual rather than the result of structural flaws of their | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
economic and public policies, particularly their social security | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
policies. We have heard from the Minister that work is the route out | :10:36. | :10:45. | |
of poverty. Contrary to this diverse of -- divisive narrative, why is it | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
we more have people -- why is it we have more people in work in poverty | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
than ever before? 7.4 million people. Three out of the four | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
million children are living in families where they are working. How | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
can this be a success story of this Government? When will the Government | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
start to look at the structural issues in the labour market and the | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
productivity crisis rather than victimising the poorest. Four out of | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
the five people on low income now will still be on low income ten | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
years later. What has this Government done about that? The | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
motion raised some important questions hanging over the | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
Government's flagship programme, universal credit. We supported the | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
original principles of universal credit to make sure were always | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
pays, by allowing people to work more hours without fear of being | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
made worse off. Universal Credit had the potential to address inequality | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
by targeting employment to support to those on low pay, reducing the | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
cliff edge associated with other supports, such as tax credits, as | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
the Minister said. We are a world away from the project initially | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
lauded by this Government. We have been through seven delays in | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
implementation, reset by the major authority, criticism from the | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
National Audit Office, and costs spiralling out of control. Despite | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
this, many practical issues of the programme, they have yet to be | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
sorted out and a full working delivery is still a distant | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
prospectors of our key flaws in the design. -- a distant prospect. There | :12:25. | :12:35. | |
are key flaws in the design. As you can imagine, many people do not know | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
how to reapply so it comes as a rather unpleasant surprise when the | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
department then refuses them support. Can the Minister update us | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
on progress and dealing with the issue of weekly payments? Perhaps we | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
should look at the impact of Universal Credit's so-called long | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
hello. The Guardian showed the weight of a shocking 42 days to | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
receive the first payment said claimants to the banks, and in terms | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
of the bank use, that was spiralling. One survey of landlords | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
responsible for 3000 households and universal credit friend eight out of | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
ten credits were in arrears. Will the minister commit to immediately | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
reducing this waiting can? -- found that eight out of ten tenants were | :13:23. | :13:31. | |
in arrears. And see to reducing the two-week delay. On sanctions, I am | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
pleased the Government is finally seeing all the evidence for what it | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
is, how damaging it is and its impact in getting people off. The | :13:39. | :13:49. | |
impact on sanctions cannot be underestimated. But for the | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
regulations for 2014, the Government is able to sanction people in work | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
on low pay. We are now starting to see more people who are already | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
working, doing the right thing, are being sanction because they are not | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
working hard enough. They are on zero our contracts, the million | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
people and zero our contracts, who are potentially under threat by | :14:10. | :14:20. | |
this, -- zero-hour contract. I am happy to take it outside, gentle | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
men, but people will not get enough time to speak so it... For a lower | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
income families, most important has been the slashing by this | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
Government, significantly undermining the principle that work | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
will always pay under the scheme. Cuts to work allowances will mean an | :14:37. | :14:46. | |
average claimants receive ?2000 a year less than if they were on | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
universal credit. There was no impact in terms of the Autumn | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
Statement on this. The gentle man, the honourable gentleman, has | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
already mentioned about the impact of this Government's horrendous cuts | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
to disabled people. Almost ?30 billion of cuts to people... | :15:05. | :15:12. | |
Definitely going to see more than the 5 million people pushed into | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
poverty, the 5 million disabled people. We also heard about the job | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
centre closures as well. But what I would like to say, it seems, Mr | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
Speaker, universal credit programme will no longer make work pay. It was | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
built by a Government who believes the best we can help people into | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
work is by shutting job centres. We believe that like our NHS the Social | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
Security system should be based on principles of dignity, inclusion and | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
support and Labour will do this. Thank you. Three minute limit now to | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
apply. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given it to the minute I will not take any | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
interventions, so I shall continue. I stood on a platform of getting | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
Britain working again, reforming the welfare system. That is failing some | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
of the most vulnerable people in this country and in my constituency. | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
For too long people were on welfare and remained on it and it is worth | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
noting that long-term unemployment doubled between 2008 and 2010. Major | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
changes to things that sold directly affect people in their day-to-day | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
lives are never easy, or necessarily popular. But our welfare system | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
needed changing and I am delighted that our Government is taking it so | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
seriously. I am determined to make sure those who want work, and those | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
who cannot work as well, are supported, and that is what we need, | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
and that help is at hand from this Government. So far we have seen | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
monumental change. It is not easy. As a former member of the work and | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
pensions committee are always welcome the Department's attitude to | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
universal credit, in terms of rolling it out then considering the | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
changes and seeing the impact, then changing and adapting and rolling it | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
out again, and I welcome the pace of delivery of Universal Credit, | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
because we are listening, looking at evidence and performing as we go, | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
the correct way to do it in my opinion. The single best thing any | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
Government can do for low income families is to ensure we have a | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
strong economy. Since that 2010 election I am delighted this | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
Government has put that at the heart of what we are doing. Unemployment | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
is now at the joint lowest rate of 4.8% over the ten years. With 2.7 | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
million more people in work over the last six years. With more women, | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
older workers and ethnic minorities in work than ever before. The annual | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
average income of the poorest fifth of households has risen in real | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
terms compared to 2007 and 2008, that is the bottom fifth of | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
households income up ?700. This House has heard on many occasions | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
the benefit of work and improved our social networks, with the increasing | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
happiness and health. I am proud of the Government's achievement in | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
getting more and work. And this is in stark contrast to the Opposition | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
and their rhetoric. And part of this change in Universal Credits, the | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
biggest change in welfare in this country for a generation, it has | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
been welfare claimants become much more likely to move into work, | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
compared to those on jobseeker's allowance. I would like to end, Mr | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
Speaker, given I will be timed, and that is that working age adults in | :18:30. | :18:37. | |
working families are four times more likely to be living on low income. | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
The report in 2015 found that 74% of workless families moving into | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
full-time employment exited poverty, and that is terrific. Mr Speaker, I | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
will know sit down. Thank you. Before we proceed to the next | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
Speaker, we come to the seven o'clock motion. I beg to move, Mr | :18:57. | :19:05. | |
Speaker. Thank you. You have indeed Julie moved. Thank you, Mr Speaker | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
-- you have indeed duly moved. The question is as the order paper. As | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
many as are of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary, 'no'. I | :19:19. | :19:20. | |
think that ayes have it. Stuart McDonald... That is way above my pay | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
grade, but I thank you nonetheless, Mr Speaker. I have to take my hat | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
off to the Minister and his colleagues at the Department of Work | :19:31. | :19:32. | |
and Pensions because he has managed to do something I never thought | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
possible, he has managed to unite Scottish Labour politicians and SNP | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
politicians against the job centre closure plan, which will be the | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
focus of my remarks. If he will listen, I will educate him. Can I | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
say to the Minister has plan has gone down like a bucket of cold sick | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
not just amongst my constituents, but amongst trade unions, the | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
Catholic Church, the Church of Scotland and in Glasgow City | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
Council. The city I represent that has the highest unemployment rate in | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
Scotland, and that is not a bad I am proud of. I would want to work with | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
the Minister to improve that, but I do not see how you can improve that, | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
Madame Deputy Speaker, by reducing the number of job centres from 16 to | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
eight, a 50% cut in what is supposed to be a 20% reduction elsewhere. | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
Glasgow being targeted by the Tories yet again. I will take no muttering | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
from the backbenches of the Tories either. Let me invite each and every | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
one of them who will vote for the Government to come to Castlemilk. | :20:43. | :20:44. | |
They will meet some of my constituents who will be expected to | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
do an eight mile round trip, opted three buses. But of course ministers | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
would not know about any of this because they have relied on Google | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
maps in order to put this proposal together. Google, is not the new | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
Britannic isolation I would have expected. But let me say this. Let | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
me add this. Where is the Scottish secretary on these plans? Why have | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
we not heard anything from our Secretary of State in fighting for | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
Glasgow and standing up for Scotland against these proposals? And let me | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
say that the honourable lady muttering from a sedentary position, | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
the Minister was asked by me, how many people in Langside and | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
Castlemilk job centre in my constituency claim disability living | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
allowance? The answer back was that they do not know. Jobseeker's | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
allowance, they do not know. How many people are disabled that use | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
Glasgow job centres across the city? They do not know. So what of the | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
public sector equality duty? How confident is the Minister that he is | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
not going to breach the obligations he has under the 2010 equality act, | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
because we still have no equality impact assessment? | :22:04. | :22:05. |