17/01/2017 House of Commons


17/01/2017

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in view of the high levels of personal debt? We are looking very

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closely at, we will see some progress in the vein of future.

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Statement, the Secretary of State for Health man. -- the Secretary of

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State for Northern Ireland. Secretary James Brokenshire. Thank

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you, Mr Speaker. With permission, I should like to make a statement

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regarding forthcoming elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly. As

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the House is aware, Martin McGuinness resigned as dippy Defence

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Minister of Northern Ireland on Monday. As a result of which, the

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First Minister also ceased to hold office. -- Deputy First Minister.

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This began a seven-day period in which to fill both positions,

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otherwise it would fall to me to fulfil my statutory obligations as

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Secretary of State to call a fresh election to the Northern Ireland

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Assembly. Over the past week, I having gauged intensively with

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Northern Ireland's political parties to establish whether any basis

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existed to resolve the tensions within the executive without

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triggering an election. I've remained in close contact with the

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Irish foreign minister, Charlie Flanagan. In addition, my right

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honourable friend the Prime Minister has been kept fully informed and has

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had conversations with the former first and deputy first ministers and

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the Taoiseach Enda Kenny. Regrettably and despite all of our

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collective efforts, it has not proved possible to find an agreed

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way forward in the time available. In the Northern Ireland as the

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yesterday, the Democratic Unionist Party nominated Arlene Foster as

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First Minister whilst Sinn Fein declined to nominate anybody to the

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post of Deputy First Minister. While I have some discretion in law over

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the setting of a date for an election, given the circumstances in

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which we find ourselves in Northern Ireland, I can see no case for

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delay. As a result, once the final deadline has passed -- had passed at

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5p and yesterday, I proposed Thursday the 2nd of March as the

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date of the Assembly election. The Assembly itself will be dissolved

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from the 26th of January, meaning the last sitting day will be the

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25th of January, allowing time to conduct any urgent remaining

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business before the election campaign begins in earnest. I am now

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taking forward the process of submitting an order in council for

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approval by Her Majesty the Queen on the advice of the Privy Council,

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formally setting in law both the dates of the dissolution and the

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election. In setting the stakes, I have consulted the chief electoral

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officer for Northern Ireland chosen he has given the assurance in

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operational matters relating to the running of the election. -- in

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setting these dates. The decisions that I've taken have also been

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informed by my ongoing discussion with Northern Ireland's political

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leadership. All right honourable and honourable members in this House

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will understand that elections by their nature are hotly contested.

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This is part of the essence of our democracy. And nobody expects the

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debates around the key issues in Northern Ireland to be anything less

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than robust. I would, however, like to stress the following. This

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election is about the future of Northern Ireland and its political

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institutions are not just the Assembly, but all of the

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arrangements that have been put in place to reflect relationships

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through these islands. That is why it will be vital for the

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campaign to be conducted respectfully and in ways which do

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not simply exacerbate tensions and division. Once the campaign is over,

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we need to be in a position to re-establish strong and stable

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devolved government in Northern Ireland. And let me be very clear, I

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am not contemplating any outcome other than the re-establishment of

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strong and stable devolved government. For all the reasons I

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set out in my statement last week, devolution remains this government's

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strongly preferred option for Northern Ireland. It is about

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delivering a better future for the people of Northern Ireland, and

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meeting their expectations. For our part, the UK Government will

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continue to stand by our commitments under the Belfast agreement and its

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successors. We will do all that we can to safeguard political

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stability. Over the past decade, Northern Ireland has enjoyed the

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longest run of unbroken devolved government since before the demise

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of the old Stormont parliament in 1972. It has not always been easy,

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with more than a few bumps in the road. But with strong leadership,

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issues that might once have brought the institutions down have been

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resolved through dialogue. And Northern Ireland has been able to

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present itself to the world in a way that would have been unrecognisable

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a few years ago. A modern, dynamic and outward looking Northern

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Ireland, that is a great place to live, work, invest and to do

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business. Mr Speaker, Northern Ireland has come so far. We cannot

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allow the games that have been made to be derailed. -- the gains. So,

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yes, we have an election but once it is over, we need to be in a position

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to continue building in Northern Ireland that works for everyone.

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That is the responsibility on all of us and we all need to rise to the

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challenge. And in that spirit, Mr Speaker, I commend this statement to

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the house. Mr David Andersen. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Can I

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thank the Secretary for his statement? Like most of us, I am

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saddened we are here today. I know many good people in Northern Ireland

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will feel exactly the same, the deep regret we have reached this impasse.

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I've personally been involved for almost three Deco Baku -- decade in

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Northern Ireland related issues and I have learned one thing, a

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political vacuum should be avoided at all gods. I say to the Secretary

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of State today, you must make sure that you are not only willing to

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fill the vacuum but you must work with all parties to try and seek a

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way forward so we avoid the nightmare scenario of six weeks of

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increasingly bitter campaigning, which leave us in the same place as

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when it started, with no solution in place to heal a huge divide and to

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bring together those elected representatives of all the people of

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Northern Ireland. I realise that the tension of an election dominates

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people's minds and the news agenda may well be focused on other issues.

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But Mr Speaker, I would suggest for the sake of all of us on these

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islands, we highlight the critical importance of maintaining devolved

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and functioning government in Northern Ireland. I want to see

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young men and women from Blaydon continue to go to Belfast with

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rucksacks on the backs, not back to the days when they went there with

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rifles on their shoulders. Anyone who thinks this is some form of

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local difficulty in Northern Ireland should think again. I want to see

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the continuing peace and prosperity in Northern Ireland that is helping

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to grow the economy and the life chances of all who live there. I

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want the world to look at Northern Ireland and rightly applaud the

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success we have witnessed over the past decades and hope none of us

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want to see a divided Northern Ireland that turns itself, as we

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have seen so often and so sadly in the past. There are huge issues

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facing the people of Northern Ireland. Our exit from the European

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Union and the real change it will bring to everybody's everyday lives.

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The uncertain position from the government on the UK's land border

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with Europe, how we keep improving economic performance, and

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critically, how we deal with Northern Ireland's unique and

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painful past. And without a stable, workable government, all these

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issues will be much harder to progress. Last week, the Secretary

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of State and the Prime Minister showed both myself and it out there

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will be scope for the Northern Ireland first -- voice to be heard

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in the run-up to negotiations on the EU, by the joint ministerial

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Council. If that is the case, then secretary of state, I say to you

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today, there's no reason for you not to engage with the parties and

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communities and begin to resolve the issues that have led to the

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breakdown, over the next six weeks, over the next eight weeks, and not

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let the election be an excuse for not getting people together. And

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let's Biglia, what is happening in Northern Ireland is just about who

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is or isn't First Minister or Deputy First Minister or the debacle that

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is the RHI scheme. There are real underlying issues. How we support

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the victims of the troubles. The women's rights and the equality for

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the LGBT communities. The treatment of ethnic minorities and migrant

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groups, and above all, how we deal with Northern Ireland's past and the

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crucial issue of trust and mutual respect. The Secretary of State has

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to face the fact that he has the responsibility to ensure the

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government deals with all parties in Northern Ireland on an equal basis

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because that clearly is a matter of huge concern to the parties in

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Northern Ireland. I wanted you credit to the Secretary of State,

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for the common measure Tony is adopted by Robert at the same time,

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I won't deny myself the optimism that those love Northern Ireland

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still feel, and to that end, I will this house that we will do

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everything we can develop but all parties need to look at what they

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can do to prevent present impasse degenerating into total collapse let

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me be very clear, we need to avoided if at all possible return to direct

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rule. We need Northern Ireland politicians to stand up and be

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counted, recognise their responsibility and accept that the

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vehicle for addressing the needs and concerns of their communities if the

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assembly and its executive. The need for continuing with the assembly

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should be the number one priority for them and all of us in

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Westminster. And the imposition of direct rule will serve no one. In

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the weeks to come, no one's personal or political position, posturing

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differences should get in the way it operates return to government and

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work in Northern Ireland. Secretary of State. Thank you Mr Speaker and

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can I welcome the right honourable gentleman's comment added emphasis

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on seeing that we return to shared government within Northern Ireland

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at the earliest possible opportunity. I welcome it support

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and his comets in underlining the focus that we must all have, and the

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shared responsibility that I think we all keenly feel in seeking to

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achieve that outcome. And indeed, how we use the time ahead as best

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and effectively as possible. He is aware that there is a relatively

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short period of time following an election, around three weeks, in

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order to form an executive. And we do need to use all of the time, up

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to polling day and beyond, to see that we bring people together and we

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retain the set of dialogue, as difficult and challenging as that

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may be during an election period but it is important that we continue to

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do so. It is that sense of political stability that obviously is the

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primary responsibility of government and we recognise that very firmly.

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Indeed, I have had discussions with all parties over the period since my

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last statement and have been very focused on engaging widely, seeking

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to encourage and promote a way forward, and that is absolutely what

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I will continue to do in the time ahead. I don't think anybody should

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prejudge the outcome of this election. And therefore, I think it

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is right that we are absolutely focused on seeking to get the right

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outcome, which is absolutely the continuation of devolved government

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in Northern Ireland. That is what I think is in the absolute best

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interests of the people of Northern Ireland, that allows things to move

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forward. And I think as the honourable gentleman said, we must

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all work collectively to that end and approach this in a positive way,

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as to what we can achieve. Mr Laurence Robertson. Thank you, Mr

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Speaker. Returning from Londonderry this morning, following meetings

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yesterday, I detected and witnessed a great sense of frustration about

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what is happening, and a great sense of disappointment that the assembly,

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yet again, was under threat and indeed, this time, has fallen. Does

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the Secretary of State therefore agree with me and indeed, the

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proposal made by the shadow Secretary of State, that the coming

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weeks should perhaps be used to explore all possibilities? Because

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none of us want to see a return to direct rule but the worry is that we

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are holding elections, as the secretary of state is indeed

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required to do, and the possibility, the strong possibility must be that

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those elections deliver the parties back to storm in roughly the same

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numbers as they are now. So what is indeed the likelihood of making

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progress under the present arrangement? -- back to Stormont.

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Surely we should use the coming weeks to put in place a plan B,

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where we can continue with some kind of devolved government and not bring

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powers back to this house because direct rule is not a satisfactory

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way of running Northern Ireland. I'm grateful to my honourable friend for

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his comments and as he rightly identifies, the key issue is the

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maintenance of devolved government in Northern Ireland. He is also

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right, I think, to see how we ensure that we use the time available to

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us, that communication lines, the dialogue remains open during the

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election period. However difficult that may appear. But equally knowing

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that the issues that have been highlighted, in terms of trust and

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confidence in the institutions, the ability for parties to be able to

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work together in that shared government arrangement, will still

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need to be resolved. And therefore, I think it is with that sense of how

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we can use this time to bring people together, that must be at the

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forefront of our minds. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I thank the Secretary of

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State for advance notice of his statement and I support the call is

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made yesterday for the election to be conducted in a manner which looks

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to the future and anticipates difficult but reasonable

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negotiations for the establishment of an effective administration after

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the election. No one will get everything they want from this

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election or from the formation of the new executive but the people

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that politicians serve deserve our best and most faithful efforts. The

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victory in this election should belong to the people, not political

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parties. This election has been brought about by a set of

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circumstances that have their genesis in Belfast and will also

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have their solutions in Belfast. And we will be onlookers to a great

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extent but there are some areas in which the efforts made here may

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actually help. I'm pleased to hear that dialogue between the secretary

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of state and the parties in Northern Ireland will continue throughout the

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election period so the ground is prepared for the negotiations over

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holding office in March. Can he tell us whether he will take those

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opportunities to reassure the parties that funding will not be

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cut, particularly from the support for addressing the legacy issues.

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The assembly suffers from the austerity fetish as much as the rest

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of the UK but it carries additional burdens, and it needs those extra

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resources. The past couple of months in the assembly have been marked by

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some serious allegations. What support will he be able to offer the

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assembly to have those allegations properly investigated and

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resolutions found? The uncertainty of this election, with the

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peculiarities surrounding it, adds to the uncertainty of the Brexit

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mess. What support can the government offered to people and

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businesses in Northern Ireland to smooth the next few months? And

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finally, can you clarify what special arrangements he is putting

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in place to consult on the Brexit negotiations while the election is

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ongoing? I'm grateful to the honourable lady for highlighting the

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issue in relation to the nature of elections, and again, the issues

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that I think we all recognise that are at stake here. I can assure her

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that we will be doing our part to maintain communication channels, to

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maintain that open dialogue, and to again continue to encourage the

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parties to think carefully about the nature of the campaign ahead on how

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best to be able to bring people back together afterwards, to get on with

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devolved government in Northern Ireland. She asks a number of more

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detailed questions, and in relation to the issue of legacy, she will

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know that it remains this government's intend to give effect

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to the Stormont House agreement and the funding commitments that were

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made in respect of that remain very firmly in place. In respect of

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support to investigation and the enquiry in relation to the

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allegations that in many ways have provided the trigger or the catalyst

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to the situation that we now find ourselves in, as she indicated, I

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continue to believe that the best solution for this lies within

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Northern Ireland. This is a devolved matter and therefore, in terms of

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the way in which answers are to be provided, it still seems right that

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it should come from that direction. But I remain open to work with

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parties on a cross community basis to see what support can be given

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because ultimately, it is about getting answers to a number of these

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issues, that matters so much. On the issue of the UK's departure from the

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European Union, well, I think that as honourable and right honourable

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members will have heard, the Prime Minister set out a very clear

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position in respect of this government's approach and indeed,

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emphasising those issues around the Common travel area, and indeed

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strengthening the union as well. I know honourable and right honourable

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members will have plenty of opportunity to raise further

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questions on that later today. Project may I make a fervent plea to

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my right honourable friend, that he should protect the interests of

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former British soldiers currently being charged by the Sinn

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Fein-supporting Director of Public Prosecutions in Northern Ireland,

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with respect to events which took place more than 40 years ago. It

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appears that the Director of Public Prosecutions issued a notice to news

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desks, not for publication. Is this not an attempt to muzzle

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Parliament and indeed to question the right of this House to support

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those soldiers who sought to bring about peace in Northern Ireland? In

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my usual way, I have been, as I think the House would acknowledge,

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extremely generous to the honourable gentleman. The honourable gentleman

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has asked a most interesting question and has delivered it with

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his usual eloquence, but it does suffer from one disadvantage, and

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that is that it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the

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statement the Secretary of State is made. Nevertheless I have indulged

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the honourable gentleman, and he can thank me on a daily basis. Secretary

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of State... Mr Speaker, my honourable friend raises the

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important issue in relation to legacy. As I indicated to this House

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last week, I will never tyre of my praise for the work of our armed

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forces personnel in actually securing the peace, securing the

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stability and securing the arrangements that we see in Northern

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Ireland today. Yes, I do have some concerns about imbalance within the

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system, and therefore why I believe it is right that we do move forward

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with the Stormont agreement and the legacy bodies that are set up there.

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I will not comment on any individual decisions, and indeed, justice is

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devolved in Northern Ireland and also it has its own processes that

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remain in place in an independent way. But I hear very clearly the

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very general and firm point that my friend makes in relation to balance

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within the overall system trick of it is something I'm very keen to

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address. Mr Speaker, this party has worked tirelessly in recent years to

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move Northern Ireland forward, to make devolution work and to create

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conditions for stable government in Northern Ireland. So we are deeply

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disappointed, frustrated and angered by the decision of Sinn Fein to walk

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away from devolved government and cause this election. And what is

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this election about? It is fairly clear, it is not about the RHI

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issue, because had it been, then we could have got on with sorting it

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out, and indeed this election will serve to disrupt and delays ordering

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those issues out. What it's about is Sinn Fein sinking opportune

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political advantage, seeking to overturn the result of the election

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held just a few months ago, and seeking to gain a list of

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concessions from the Government on legacy issues, such as rewriting the

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past and putting more soldiers and police men in the dock, and other

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issues, and other concessions from the DUP. Let us be clear, we will

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work through this election and afterwards to create devolved

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government that is stable in Northern Ireland. But let this House

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know and the people of all Ireland know that just as we have not even

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into Sinn Fein demands in the past, we will not bow down and give into

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Fein 's unreasonable demands going forward, because that is what this

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election is all about Mr Speaker, I Recognise That There Are Strongly

:22:47.:22:53.

Held Views On All Sides, And we do enter into an election period when

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I'm sure that these issues will be hotly and keenly contested. What I

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do very much welcome from what the right honourable gentleman has said

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is that willingness to engage, to work things through, and that desire

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to get back into stable, shared, devolved devilment. And I think that

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is the focus that we all have in our minds in looking to the future of

:23:16.:23:20.

Northern Ireland and how we can get on with governing in the best

:23:21.:23:23.

interests of all in Northern Ireland. Does the Secretary of State

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agree with me that all encumbered, unhindered press is absolutely vital

:23:31.:23:35.

to the future elections? And would he agree that any chilling effect or

:23:36.:23:39.

threats could actually undermine the very democratic essence of these

:23:40.:23:42.

elections? We must have a free press. Well, I think the issues

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around the election will I'm sure be keenly and hotly contested. From all

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of my experience in seeing the experiences in Northern Ireland, the

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press is fair and free and open and it has wide debate contained within

:24:05.:24:09.

it. And so I think those building blocks that we see as a government

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on freedom of the press, and indeed the strength of our judiciary and

:24:14.:24:16.

legal processes as well, and seeing that those pillars of our democracy

:24:17.:24:25.

are upheld. In truth, Northern Ireland has lurched from one

:24:26.:24:27.

political crisis to another in recent years. Is it not time that

:24:28.:24:31.

the Government urgently reviews constitutional arrangements covering

:24:32.:24:36.

power-sharing, looking at issues like the title of First Minister and

:24:37.:24:40.

the pity First Minister but also a range of other issues? Is that not

:24:41.:24:43.

how the Government could add value in terms of long-term stability,

:24:44.:24:46.

reviewing those Costa to show arrangements? I think we need to be

:24:47.:24:54.

very careful at the moment as to the approach that we take. We are now

:24:55.:24:59.

embarking on an election which, as I have said, I do not want to prejudge

:25:00.:25:03.

the outcome of the election were indeed discussions that take place

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during this period and through and beyond the short window of time that

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we have after the election period, either. We will do all that we can

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as the UK Government, that primary responsibility that we hold in

:25:20.:25:22.

providing political stability within Northern Ireland. Clearly, the

:25:23.:25:27.

parties will need to discuss and have that open dialogue which I hope

:25:28.:25:30.

brings people back together again, but I think at this stage, seeking

:25:31.:25:34.

to try and widen the debate can I think we need to be very focused on

:25:35.:25:37.

the task at hand in bringing people back together again. Yes, the UK

:25:38.:25:41.

Government will play its part in supporting the Belfast agreement and

:25:42.:25:45.

its successors and bringing that element of stability and getting

:25:46.:25:47.

devolved government back in Northern Ireland, which is what we all want

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to see. Can I congratulate my right honourable friend for his calm and

:25:57.:26:00.

measured approach during these difficult circumstances? Does he

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show my concern that if indeed the resignation of Mr McGinnis was

:26:08.:26:09.

political and not over the environment in issue, that the

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intent of Sinn Fein is to halt these elections and then not to reappoint

:26:15.:26:20.

afterwards, which would put pressure on my right honourable friends to

:26:21.:26:23.

resort to direct rule, and all the consequences of that. Does he share

:26:24.:26:29.

my concern that this is a real possibility? I have said that I am

:26:30.:26:33.

concerned that an election campaign which seeks to divide and seeks to

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make it that much harder to bring people back together again

:26:41.:26:47.

afterwards clearly is a risk and one which I am concerned about, and one

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which I would again remind and encourage people to think about

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these issues very, very carefully. It's clear that the issues at stake

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here go much wider than simply the renewable heat scheme which perhaps

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was the issue which customised this. But I think we need to be very

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careful and appreciate quite what is at stake. -- which crystallised

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this. It is very important for people to be able to work together,

:27:17.:27:19.

to maintain communication and dialogue so that we do see the

:27:20.:27:25.

return of shared government in Northern Ireland for all communities

:27:26.:27:26.

at the earliest possible opportunity. The Secretary of State

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has rightly touched upon the fact that trust and confidence has to be

:27:37.:27:39.

rebuilt in the suggestions in Northern Ireland. One of the best

:27:40.:27:44.

ways of doing that is transparency. Transparency around the renewable

:27:45.:27:47.

heating scheme and also, with the greatest respect to the Secretary of

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State transparency around political parties and their donations to

:27:54.:27:57.

elliptical parties operating in Northern Ireland. Sinn Fein has

:27:58.:28:01.

precipitated this election. The people in Northern Ireland are

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entitled to know, who funds Sinn Fein? Who is funding this Pallo

:28:06.:28:10.

Jordan Assembly election? And by the same token, who is sponsoring and

:28:11.:28:16.

funding the other political parties in Northern Ireland? Please don't

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tell me he will reflect upon it, what is the Secretary of State going

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to do about it? The honourable lady has made the point about political

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donations and transparency over a number of weeks and months. And I

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have a huge amount of sympathy for the view that she rightly takes the

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Government that's why I did write out to all of the party leaders a

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very short time ago to ask them for their views, to come back to me by

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the end of this month, to be able to move things forward. I think it is

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right that we look at that reform and that we actually start to put in

:28:54.:28:57.

place changes that give that rate transparency to politics in Northern

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Ireland. That's why I look forward to receiving those responses so that

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we can move forward. Can I commend my right honourable friend's calm

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and measured approach? Could he update the House on what he's going

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to do to facilitate the voice of Northern Ireland, from politicians,

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into the run-up to triggering Article 50? Obviously, the Assembly

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will be the move very quickly, there is an election can do very short

:29:31.:29:33.

period of time before we will trigger Article 50, and we want to

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make sure that the voice of Northern Ireland is heard in our approach to

:29:37.:29:40.

our future. I think it's important to recognise that while an election

:29:41.:29:46.

has been called, that ministers other than the first and Deputy

:29:47.:29:50.

First Minister remain in place within the executive, and that

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therefore we will continue to issue invitations to the executive, to

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send representation to each of the meetings that will continue through

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the joint ministerial committee or through other means, and therefore,

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it is that approach that will be taken as we look towards the

:30:07.:30:11.

triggering of Article 50. But obviously, I will continue to have

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my broad engagements across community, with business, with the

:30:16.:30:19.

voluntary and community sector and more broadly, to ensure that we

:30:20.:30:23.

continue to listen to and reflect upon the views of people in Northern

:30:24.:30:25.

Ireland, as we look to the negotiations ahead. Could the

:30:26.:30:36.

Secretary of State share with us something more of his thoughts on

:30:37.:30:40.

what he expects to happen after an election in Northern Ireland? Does

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he accept that the problems will remain, and without him calling a

:30:44.:30:49.

public enquiries into renewable heat, or if he cannot find a way to

:30:50.:30:54.

do that, making it clear that he fully supports a public inquiry?

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Because without a public inquiry, public confidence in our political

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settlement will sink even lower and make restoration of the executive

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even more difficult. That's what people are telling me on the streets

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over the last few days and the last week, that they basically need to

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see clarity. That we are having an election here in a fog. It is quite

:31:16.:31:23.

clear that the issues surrounding the renewable heat incentive scheme

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are very much at the heart of what has led to the election that I have

:31:28.:31:31.

now called. I think it is right that we do get answered around this. I

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think it is absolutely critical in terms of re-establishing trust and

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confidence and accountability, giving answers to the public in

:31:40.:31:41.

relation to what has taken place here. As I've indicated, I think

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that it is right for that, as much as it possibly can do, to come from

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Northern Ireland itself. This was a devolved issue, this was something

:31:52.:31:57.

that relates to decisions within Northern Ireland. But I stand ready

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to work with and consider options on a cross community basis which will

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command support across the community. It is actually how we get

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those answers and see that we are injecting those back into the whole

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process. I'm sure the Secretary of State and others in the House may

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reflect on the irony that this election has been caused by the

:32:21.:32:23.

resignation of a man who spent a lot of his life trying to use violence

:32:24.:32:26.

to overcome the democratic will of the people of Northern Ireland to be

:32:27.:32:29.

part of this United Kingdom. But will he also agree with me that it

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is vital that work is done to ensure that in dealing with the past, those

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who have put their lives on the line to defend this democracy, are not

:32:39.:32:41.

unduly hounded by these legal processes? I think it is absolutely

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right that we have a system that is fair just, balanced and

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proportionate. I've been very clear on that on a number of occasions.

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That's why I strongly believe that the framework of Stormont house, the

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legacy institutions which are contemplated within that, divider

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framework and way forward to achieve that. Because I am concerned that

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there is an imbalance in the system with a focus on state -based actors.

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And actually getting answers for those who lost loved ones as a

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consequence of terrorist atrocities is really, really essential. That's

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why I want to see this moving forward, and why we strongly believe

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that change is required. We all wish everyone well in Northern Ireland in

:33:28.:33:31.

trying to resolve these current difficulties. Can I pass the

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Secretary of State on what he's doing with respect to the Irish

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government, working in partnership with the Irish government? The

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British and Irish governments are co-and tours of the Good Friday

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Agreement. So what plans has he got to work with the Irish government,

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is he planning a summit, is he panning talks, what concrete

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measures is the Secretary of State planning to take with the Irish

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government, to help resolve these difficulties together? As I've

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indicated to the House, I've had regular, ongoing communication with

:34:07.:34:11.

Charlie Flanagan, the Irish foreign minister, and indeed the

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conversations that the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach have had

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together. I certainly do intend to meet Charlie Flanagan in the very

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near future. So that we can assess the current situation, and determine

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how we as two governments can seek to encourage, promote and see that

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we are bringing people together in this way, such that, as I've said,

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we see the maintenance and continuation of devolved government

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in Northern Ireland. What alternative to direct rule

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would be available in these elections do not see an immediate

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power-sharing government? Mr Speaker, I indicated that it is, I

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think it would be premature and wrong to contemplate something other

:34:57.:35:00.

than devolved government in Northern Ireland. I think that is where we

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have to have all of our focus in the weeks ahead. That encouragement to

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the parties, the dialogue, the communication that I think is

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absolutely necessary. And while I know that others will say what is

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this, what if that, what if we don't get to a position where we have

:35:19.:35:22.

that, well, I'm not contemplating that. I'm contemplating how we use

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the time available to us, to maintain devolved government, to get

:35:27.:35:31.

people back into that power-sharing arrangement, and getting on,

:35:32.:35:33.

frankly, with what people in Northern Ireland want which is a

:35:34.:35:37.

settled situation, taking Northern Ireland forward and seeing that

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positive, optimistic Northern Ireland I know if parent has so much

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more to give. Thank you Mr Speaker. Central to those political

:35:48.:35:50.

institutions has been the principle of power-sharing. So what efforts

:35:51.:35:55.

will be Secretary of State and the British government, working with the

:35:56.:35:58.

Irish government do to ensure that those principles of power-sharing on

:35:59.:36:02.

a mutual understanding, respect for political difference, which have

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been withered away over the last number of months, will be strictly

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adhered to following these elections and what work with the Irish

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government will actually take place within the next number of weeks to

:36:16.:36:21.

do just that? Well, I've already indicated to the house the dialogue

:36:22.:36:25.

and discussion we have had with the Irish government. And the work that

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we will continue and the discussions that we will continue to have. But I

:36:30.:36:33.

would stress as I said in my statement that this government

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remains committed to the Belfast agreement and its successors. All of

:36:38.:36:43.

what that means. Therefore, we will play our part to support the

:36:44.:36:47.

parties, to support discussion and dialogue, to see that we move to

:36:48.:36:51.

that stable, devolved government position that I think underpins so

:36:52.:36:56.

much of the work, so much of the positive work we see in Northern

:36:57.:36:59.

Ireland. And returning to that period of stability which is what

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everybody would wish to see. Foreign direct investment into Northern

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Ireland has been a great success in recent years. Will my right

:37:09.:37:11.

honourable friend reassure me that he had his office will do all they

:37:12.:37:14.

can to maintain a positive momentum during this period of political

:37:15.:37:19.

instability? Absolutely, I can give that assurance to my honourable

:37:20.:37:23.

friend because Northern Ireland has seen so much success in terms of

:37:24.:37:27.

foreign direct investment. I think the region with the greatest foreign

:37:28.:37:30.

direct investment outside of the City of London. I think that

:37:31.:37:37.

underlines the huge potential I see, the huge ability for Northern

:37:38.:37:39.

Ireland to continue to flourish and do so much more and absolutely yes,

:37:40.:37:43.

we will continue to underline that message. Jeffrey Donaldson. I echo

:37:44.:37:49.

the comments made by the honourable member for South Belfast. He and I

:37:50.:37:52.

and many others in this house have worked hard to bring the peace

:37:53.:37:55.

process to where it is today and we have taken risks and I despair of

:37:56.:37:59.

where we are just now. But can I say to the Secretary of State that if he

:38:00.:38:04.

is going to sit on his hands in the next six weeks and do nothing about

:38:05.:38:07.

the current crisis, then he can forget three weeks after an election

:38:08.:38:11.

to get devolution up and running. I support the suggestion made by the

:38:12.:38:15.

honourable member for South Belfast for which there is cross community

:38:16.:38:17.

support, that this government get on with holding a public enquiry into

:38:18.:38:21.

the RHI scheme that Sinn Fein have blocked. -- public inquiry. I can

:38:22.:38:28.

say to the honourable gentleman that this government will continue to do

:38:29.:38:31.

all it can to support the parties to find a resolution and the way

:38:32.:38:35.

through. As I have already indicated in answers the previous questions, I

:38:36.:38:40.

remain open to consider issues that command cross community support in

:38:41.:38:46.

order to find answers to be able to get to the root of issues in respect

:38:47.:38:51.

of the RHI enquiry and therefore, I will continue to hear those points

:38:52.:38:55.

that are made on that costume unity basis because ultimately, whatever

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is done must command confidence and support in Northern Ireland in order

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for this to be successful. Alison McGovern. The connection between the

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people of Merseyside and the people of Northern Ireland are many and

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they run deep. Can I press the Secretary of State on what he's

:39:16.:39:18.

doing, given the current political situation, the effect on Stormont's

:39:19.:39:22.

budget, to absolutely make sure the people of Northern Ireland lose out?

:39:23.:39:30.

The obvious way for the people of Northern Ireland not to lose out is

:39:31.:39:32.

to see the re-establishment of devolved government at the earliest

:39:33.:39:36.

popular -- possible opportunities work can continue, but it can get

:39:37.:39:39.

set and programmes can be put in place to take Northern Ireland

:39:40.:39:43.

further forward. That is why I make the point in those clear terms, in

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the focus and attention and effort that give in working with the

:39:47.:39:51.

parties to encourage dialogue, discussion, to bring people together

:39:52.:39:54.

because that is the most powerful and effective way to give effect to

:39:55.:39:59.

what the honourable lady was saying. Alistair Carmichael. Mr Speaker, we

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can have as many elections as we choose to hold but we will only get

:40:04.:40:07.

the strong and stable devolved government that the secretary of

:40:08.:40:10.

state says he wants when we have trust between the parties and

:40:11.:40:14.

transparency in the workings of the executive and in order to get that

:40:15.:40:18.

now, we need an independent examination of the conduct of the

:40:19.:40:24.

RHI will stop the secretary of state as the locus under the 2005 act to

:40:25.:40:28.

order that enquiry. It is surely apparent that nobody else is going

:40:29.:40:35.

to do it. He must. Well, I agree with the right honourable gentleman

:40:36.:40:37.

in terms of that sense of trust which has clearly broken down in

:40:38.:40:41.

Northern Ireland, hence the situation that we now find ourselves

:40:42.:40:46.

in. I hear the point that he makes clearly in relation to the need to

:40:47.:40:51.

get answers, the need for that transparency, the need for an

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inquiry and as I previously indicated, I strongly believe the

:40:57.:40:59.

best way to achieve that is by Northern Ireland being able to do

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that itself because that is where the issues arose, that is where

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devolution holds fire. But as I have already indicated to other parties,

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I will listen to and reflect upon suggestions, proposals that come

:41:11.:41:14.

forward on a costume unity basis because ultimately, it is that cross

:41:15.:41:19.

community bases -- cross community basis, it is that cross community

:41:20.:41:24.

basis which command confidence and respect and ensure that any

:41:25.:41:27.

investigations and inquiries are balanced and ensure they get to the

:41:28.:41:30.

answer is that people want and that accountability is shown. Mr Speaker,

:41:31.:41:37.

the Secretary of State... As he charts the course set by the Good

:41:38.:41:41.

Friday and St Andrews agreement in re-establishing the devolved

:41:42.:41:43.

institutions but the Prime Minister's commitment to data hard

:41:44.:41:47.

Brexit will cause widespread concern in Northern Ireland. Can I ask him

:41:48.:41:50.

to outline how he will work in full partnership with the Irish

:41:51.:41:53.

government on this matter while the assembly and executive is not

:41:54.:41:58.

functioning? I welcome the honourable gentleman's support for

:41:59.:42:04.

our work to ensure the return of stable devolved government, although

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I don't recognise his characterisation of what the Prime

:42:08.:42:12.

Minister has said. I think she has set out a bold, positive vision of

:42:13.:42:15.

what this country can be and what this country will be outside the

:42:16.:42:19.

European Union but yes, of course there is a negotiation to come. Of

:42:20.:42:23.

course we have had initial dialogue and discussion with the Irish

:42:24.:42:26.

government on how we get the best possible outcome for Northern

:42:27.:42:29.

Ireland and how that has been reflected in what the Prime Minister

:42:30.:42:32.

has said today, around the Common travel area and strengthening the

:42:33.:42:35.

union. That is precisely the approach we will take. Jim Shannon.

:42:36.:42:45.

Would be secretary of state care to outline exactly what people are

:42:46.:42:47.

voting for if Sinn Fein refused to work with the DUP or set a possible

:42:48.:42:53.

criteria or ask for possible concessions? How is the Secretary of

:42:54.:42:56.

State ensuring that Sinn Fein are not calling the shots, excuse the

:42:57.:43:00.

pun, on the elected government of Northern Ireland, and the electorate

:43:01.:43:04.

know their vote will not be ignored by the pithy fascinations of a party

:43:05.:43:08.

who simply want their own weight and do not like being challenged by a

:43:09.:43:15.

strong DUP team? Ultimately, this election is about the future of

:43:16.:43:17.

Northern Ireland, its future direction. In a democracy, I'm quite

:43:18.:43:22.

sure that these issues will be debated to and fro in the coming

:43:23.:43:27.

weeks. That is absolutely the whole point of the political and

:43:28.:43:30.

democratic system that we operate. How much is at stake here. As I said

:43:31.:43:35.

yesterday, how much I would encourage people to take part and

:43:36.:43:41.

vote at that election. Karen Smith. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The people of

:43:42.:43:45.

Northern Ireland are magnificent people and they have got used to

:43:46.:43:48.

living with a sense of peace over the last 18 years and they need hope

:43:49.:43:52.

now going forward. I have just listened to the Prime Minister's

:43:53.:43:55.

speak and she talked about making practical arrangements about the

:43:56.:43:59.

border, about making it a priority. Those are warm words in this context

:44:00.:44:04.

today. She has managed a phone call. She should be here. She should have

:44:05.:44:13.

been there. I've listened to the Secretary of State talk about his

:44:14.:44:15.

phone call and his activity over the last week and with due respect, I

:44:16.:44:18.

think it is wholly inadequate. The elections are about the future of

:44:19.:44:20.

Northern Ireland but they are actually about all our futures, on

:44:21.:44:23.

the island of Ireland and the island in which we live. What meetings will

:44:24.:44:26.

he be having with the Irish government with the Taoiseach? What

:44:27.:44:32.

will those conversations involving the next few weeks? What hope can he

:44:33.:44:38.

offer today to the people of Northern Ireland? As I have

:44:39.:44:41.

indicated, it is this government's clear intent and focus on seeing the

:44:42.:44:47.

return of devolved government in Northern Ireland. That is what I

:44:48.:44:50.

think is absolutely in the best interests of Northern Ireland. That

:44:51.:44:54.

is why I will be continuing to do all that I can to bring the

:44:55.:44:59.

political parties together because ultimately, that has been a part of

:45:00.:45:03.

the issues at stake here, in terms of some of that political division.

:45:04.:45:08.

But yes, of course, as I have indicated to the house today, we

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have had continued dialogue and discussion with the Irish government

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as well. We will continue to keep them closely informed. And as I have

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indicated to my right honourable friend, I intend to meet the Irish

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Foreign Minister very shortly to discuss the current position, how we

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can work together and ultimately, get the re-establishment of the form

:45:29.:45:33.

of government, that sense of the politics moving forward, and yes,

:45:34.:45:38.

how we should I think be positive about what we can achieve here. I'm

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certainly not going into this in a negative way. It is about how we can

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get on with this and make it happen. Sammy Wilson. The secretary of state

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has said today that he is committed to any action having cross community

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support in Northern Ireland. Since this crisis has been brought about

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by Sinn Fein's demand to have more security force personnel placed in

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the dock, taken to court and to have politically motivated inquests into

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deaths caused by the security forces, will he give a commitment

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today that there will be no money for inquests which are politically

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motivated, no releasing of security force files which have security --

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national security implications and that he will not persuade Sinn Fein

:46:34.:46:37.

to re-enter government at the expense of soldiers being dragged

:46:38.:46:42.

through the courts? On the issue of legacy, I think Stormont House,

:46:43.:46:49.

which all the parties signed up to, provided the right framework and way

:46:50.:46:52.

forward. I hold very keen responsibilities in relation to

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national security and I feel those very starkly in terms of the here

:46:55.:47:01.

and now of safety on the streets of Northern Ireland and what that means

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more broadly. I think it is important that we are able to find a

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way forward in relation to the whole issue of legacy. That it is more

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balanced, more proportionate, is able to see Northern Ireland looking

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to the future rather than looking to the past and I think it is that

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framework that we must be focused upon to be able to move things

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forward in that way. He will well know the issues that are set out

:47:27.:47:29.

there, the bodies that are set out their, the weighing gateman has

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taken place over many months. I believe there is a way forward in

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that but it is having the framework and intent and having the balance

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and proportionate approach that I continue to underline. Margaret

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Greenwood. What assessment has been made of the effect of the political

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instability on potential investment into Northern Ireland? I have

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certainly had some discussions with some business representatives. It is

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important that we get back into a stable devolved government at the

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earliest opportunity. Again, that is the most powerful way to underline

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Northern Ireland's moving forward and there is so much we can be

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positive about, the jobs that have been created, the foreign direct

:48:15.:48:17.

investment that has gone in and so many fantastic businesses in

:48:18.:48:21.

Northern Ireland. That is what we should be celebrating and it is that

:48:22.:48:26.

positive, optimistic viewpoint of what Northern Ireland's economies

:48:27.:48:28.

that we should be advancing and taking forward. Mr Speaker, after

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the assembly election in March agreement will need to be reached on

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a new power-sharing executive. However, if this doesn't happen,

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there is a very real possibility of returning to direct rule from

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Westminster. Does the secretary think it is acceptable for the

:48:48.:48:51.

people of Northern Ireland, who voted to remain in the European

:48:52.:48:58.

Union, to witness the triggering of article 50 while they live in total

:48:59.:49:03.

political limbo? It underlines my general point on the need to get

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back to devolved government at the earliest opportunity. But as I have

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indicated, we do intend to trigger Article 50 by no later than the end

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of March that is the approach we have taken. That is the work that

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continues and indeed, the way in which, as I have said, invitations

:49:20.:49:22.

will continue to be made to appropriate meetings to the

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executive, notwithstanding the current situation.

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Further to the comments made by my colleague from East Antrim, there

:49:31.:49:38.

are concerns within my constituency with the Government's eagerness to

:49:39.:49:42.

set up an Assembly immediately after the elections, that they could

:49:43.:49:47.

possibly contemplate some form of side deals with Republicans in order

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to get it up and running. Can I gently warm the Secretary of State

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that that will be an unacceptable situation to have? Well, I say to

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the honourable gentleman that there is a limited period under law in

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order to form a new executive. It is around three weeks following a poll.

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That's why I make the point about maintaining open dialogue, thinking

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about how we can bring parties together. It has to be that sense of

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commanding support from across community, which is why we do need

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to listen keenly and intently to the voices of his party and other

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parties in respect of this process ahead. But I do stress to him that

:50:28.:50:32.

need for dialogue and discussion and the need to focus on those

:50:33.:50:37.

principles in the Belfast agreement and its successors, those things

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that all parties have signed up to. I think that provides us with the

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framework, and that's what we need to get on and do. As we face the

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current phase of challenges, I think it is right that we should mourn the

:50:52.:50:57.

passing of Dermot Gallagher, former bullion of the department of foreign

:50:58.:50:59.

affairs and one of the linchpins for so much of this process come

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bringing us from transfixed to transactions to transformations. We

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need to emulate his purposeful ethic in the time ahead. Will the

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Secretary of State recognised that after the elections, there will be

:51:16.:51:19.

negotiations, and will he recognise that those negotiations will have to

:51:20.:51:22.

be more inclusive, Morecambe free hands of a more fundamental than

:51:23.:51:28.

what passed for negotiations in Stormont house? And the outcome will

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have to be more robust and reliable than what we got with the fresh hour

:51:33.:51:37.

agreement? I certainly pay tribute to Dermot Gallagher and obviously

:51:38.:51:43.

send my condolences to all his friends, family, all of those who

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remember him and the conjugation that he made. As I've indicated, I

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don't want to prejudge the outcome of this election, nor indeed

:51:53.:51:57.

discussions that take place. I earnestly want to see that through

:51:58.:52:01.

this election period, however possible that can be achieved. And

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equally in terms of discussions that take place there afterwards. But it

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has to be a position which creates that stability and sense of shared

:52:10.:52:15.

power arrangements, which allows Northern Ireland to move on from

:52:16.:52:20.

where we currently sit. That has to absolutely be our focus and

:52:21.:52:25.

intention and indeed why I make the points which I do about being

:52:26.:52:28.

thoughtful and conscious of the nature of the campaign itself, such

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that we are able to bring people back together afterwards. Mr

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Speaker, can the Secretary of State confirm that post-election, the

:52:38.:52:40.

framework of a devolved Assembly, of a shared executive, is the settled

:52:41.:52:46.

framework for moving forward? And that joint authority with the

:52:47.:52:50.

Republic of Ireland or wholesale renegotiation of the agreements that

:52:51.:52:53.

are already in place to not form part of his plan for moving forward?

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If he does not give expression to that certainty, further drift will

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occur, and we've got to net this in the bud now. I can confirm that that

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is absolutely my intent, that is absolutely the approach that I take

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to this. It's about getting through the election, about seeing the

:53:12.:53:15.

re-establishment of the executive, seeing the re-establishment of

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devolved government in the way that we have seen. And therefore whilst I

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hear order of the broader discussions and broader talk,

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actually that has to be where we focus, how we re-establish that

:53:30.:53:31.

trust and confidence in the institutions that we have, such that

:53:32.:53:35.

Northern Ireland is able to move forward. The Ulster Unionist Party

:53:36.:53:40.

want to see a strong and stable devolved government that works for

:53:41.:53:48.

everyone. But this crisis is about trust, relating to the two main

:53:49.:53:52.

parties in Northern Ireland. The Secretary of State has said that he

:53:53.:53:55.

is committed to the Belfast agreement and its successors. And

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yet this morning on the radio, we heard the DUP executive minister

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saying he had no intention to increment the St Andrews agreement

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in full. Surely this undermines all agreements, if you're not willing to

:54:09.:54:12.

tie yourself to what you've agreed? With the minister looked at the

:54:13.:54:15.

structures of the Belfast agreement and how we get back to the joint

:54:16.:54:20.

election of the first and Deputy First Minister? I did not hear the

:54:21.:54:23.

comments this morning when it's difficult for me to comment

:54:24.:54:28.

directly. For as I've indicated, the UK Government stands by its

:54:29.:54:35.

commitments under the Belfast agreement. I think it is how we are

:54:36.:54:38.

able to use the time ahead to look at ways in which we can, which gaps

:54:39.:54:45.

and in which we can see devolved power-sharing arrangements put in

:54:46.:54:56.

place at the earliest opportunity. With the Secretary of State agree

:54:57.:55:01.

with me that in the past months and years, the way in which problems

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have been resolved is when all parties dedicated themselves to

:55:07.:55:07.

working through those problems? Yesterday we had a Sinn Fein Deputy

:55:08.:55:13.

First Minister refusing to be re-elected, and even after the

:55:14.:55:16.

election, indicating that they will not nominate then. Walking away is

:55:17.:55:20.

not the solution, working through the problem is most certainly is. I

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think we can look to Northern Ireland's past, where division has

:55:25.:55:28.

existed and some people have said that it's not possible to breach

:55:29.:55:32.

that. And yet Northern Ireland has shown what can be done. And I think

:55:33.:55:36.

we need to reflect on Northern Ireland's past, the political

:55:37.:55:39.

achievements that have been reached and the strengths of dialogue, of

:55:40.:55:44.

discussion, of bringing people together in that way as we look to

:55:45.:55:52.

the future. I hope that we will see that return of devolved Vermont.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. -- devolved government. Belfast politicians

:55:59.:56:03.

begin a leak quote the dogs on the street, but if they were to

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summarise their position on this, it would be barking mad. This is not

:56:09.:56:11.

the time, Secretary of State, for you to be a bystander in these

:56:12.:56:15.

discussions. Or to fail to recognise what the Prime Minister last week

:56:16.:56:18.

recognised, that no-one can or should benefit from their

:56:19.:56:24.

instability, and for wrecking the progress of the political

:56:25.:56:27.

institutions that we have fought so hard to attain for Northern Ireland.

:56:28.:56:32.

I say to the honourable gentleman that I do not and will not be a

:56:33.:56:37.

bystander in relation to these issues. It is important that the UK

:56:38.:56:42.

Government plays its role in supporting the parties, in

:56:43.:56:46.

fulfilling our obligations in relation to providing political

:56:47.:56:52.

stability in Northern Ireland. That is what we will use the time ahead

:56:53.:56:55.

to achieve. Because the issues at stake are significant. The issues in

:56:56.:57:01.

relation to the political future of Northern Ireland are very, very

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clear. That's why I make the points that I do about the collective

:57:06.:57:08.

response River Tees that we all hold and all feel in being able to take

:57:09.:57:14.

this forward and get back to that positive outlook for Northern

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Ireland. -- collective responsibilities. Mr Speaker, the

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Secretary of State stated that with strong leadership, issues which

:57:28.:57:30.

might once have brought their own institutions could be resolved

:57:31.:57:33.

through dialogue. Could he therefore assure the House that the Prime

:57:34.:57:37.

Minister will give that strong leadership, and as the vice-chair of

:57:38.:57:42.

the all-party group on Ireland, I echo the sentiment of my honourable

:57:43.:57:47.

friend the member for St Helens come in calling the Prime Minister to put

:57:48.:57:50.

foot to the pedal and get that 100% support. I can underline to the

:57:51.:57:58.

honourable gentleman the commitment that the Prime Minister gets to

:57:59.:58:02.

these issues. The way in which she has been kept very closely informed

:58:03.:58:06.

and updated, the discussions that she has had with the former First

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Minister and Deputy First Minister. And indeed, the discussion that she

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had with the Taoiseach. We are committed as a government to seeing

:58:16.:58:18.

the return of devolved government, to seeing a positive outcome after

:58:19.:58:21.

these elections take place. That is what the people of Northern Ireland

:58:22.:58:25.

want to see and what we all have that shared and collective drive to

:58:26.:58:29.

achieve, and we all need to be focused on achieving. Point of order

:58:30.:58:40.

which relates I gather to the immediate next business. Thank you,

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Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, in our constitution, Parliament and sure

:58:47.:58:49.

you will agree is supposed to be sovereign. We need a system which

:58:50.:58:53.

gives Parliament hours over ministers and restores public trust.

:58:54.:58:56.

Not my words but the use of the now Prime Minister in 2007. I will be

:58:57.:59:00.

scrutinising a minister shortly on the applications of Brexit for Wales

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- but you share my concern that one of the most fundamental issues

:59:08.:59:10.

facing this country in a generation, the Prime Minister chose not to

:59:11.:59:13.

speak to this this morning but to the media and foreign ambassadors?

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Churchill would not have done it, a little bit would not have done it,

:59:18.:59:23.

but when it comes to this House, Mr Speaker, this lady is not for

:59:24.:59:27.

turning up! I am grateful to the honourable gentleman for his point

:59:28.:59:32.

of order. I have not got all of the Presidents in front of me but I

:59:33.:59:35.

think there has been a developing phenomenon in recent decades whereby

:59:36.:59:41.

under successive governments, important statements have sometimes

:59:42.:59:43.

been made outside the House, which would have welcomed being made first

:59:44.:59:50.

inside the House. I am pragmatic in these matters, and what I would say

:59:51.:59:54.

to the honourable gentleman and two others who might share his concern

:59:55.:00:00.

is, I heard of the Prime Minister's important speech today, and my first

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concern was that a senior member of the government should come to the

:00:07.:00:10.

House on the same day to address us on the same matter. And I had

:00:11.:00:15.

contact with the powers that be to make precisely that point. I am

:00:16.:00:20.

pleased to say that we do have in our midst and indeed in my line of

:00:21.:00:29.

vision the Secretary of State for Exiting The European Union, whom I

:00:30.:00:33.

imagine the honourable gentleman will wish to interrogate in due

:00:34.:00:36.

course. Meanwhile, let's hear from the Secretary of State. I will say

:00:37.:00:44.

to the honourable gentleman who has just spoken that I have spent many

:00:45.:00:48.

years sitting on those benches, hoping... We did not have the

:00:49.:00:56.

opportunity at all to interrogate Mr Tony Blair after he had been on the

:00:57.:01:00.

radio and television! But today is a Parliamentary day and I wish to

:01:01.:01:04.

share with Parliament what I think are some important points. I would

:01:05.:01:09.

like to the House on the Government's plans for exiting the

:01:10.:01:13.

European Union. Today, the Prime Minister is setting up a plan for

:01:14.:01:18.

Britain. It is a plan to ensure that we embrace this moment of change to

:01:19.:01:21.

build a confident global trading nation that seizes the new

:01:22.:01:26.

opportunities before it and a fairer, stronger society at home and

:01:27.:01:29.

bracing bold economic and social reform. It is a plan which

:01:30.:01:36.

recognises that the referendum vote was not one to pull up tall, which

:01:37.:01:40.

is and retreat from the world, but rather a vote of confidence in the

:01:41.:01:45.

UK's ability to succeed. It is a plan to build a strong new

:01:46.:01:49.

partnership with our European partners while reaching beyond the

:01:50.:01:52.

borders of Europe to forge deeper links with old allies and new ones.

:01:53.:01:59.

Today, we set out 12 objectives in the negotiation to come. They answer

:02:00.:02:02.

the questions of those who have been asking what we intend while not

:02:03.:02:07.

undermining the UK's negotiating position. We are clear what we seek

:02:08.:02:11.

is that new partnership, not a partial EU membership, not a model

:02:12.:02:17.

adopted by other countries, not a position which means we're half in

:02:18.:02:21.

and half-hour. Let me address of our aims in turn. First, we will provide

:02:22.:02:27.

certainty wherever possible, while recognising we are about to enter a

:02:28.:02:33.

two sided negotiation. We have already made announcements about

:02:34.:02:35.

agriculture payments and student funding. Our proposal regarding EU

:02:36.:02:42.

law and UK law is designed to make the process as smooth as possible.

:02:43.:02:47.

At the point of exit, the same rules and laws will apply, and it will

:02:48.:02:51.

then be for this Parliament to determine changes in the country's

:02:52.:02:56.

interests. For we also intend to take control of our own laws and end

:02:57.:03:00.

the authority of the European Court of Justice in the UK. Laws have been

:03:01.:03:05.

made in this Parliament and in the devolved assemblies and interpreted

:03:06.:03:09.

by our judges, not those in Luxembourg. -- laws will be made. We

:03:10.:03:17.

will continue to engage with the devolved administrations and ensure

:03:18.:03:19.

that as powers our return from Brussels to the UK, the right powers

:03:20.:03:24.

come to Westminster and the right powers are passed to Edinburgh,

:03:25.:03:30.

Cardiff and Belfast. Another key objective will be to maintain the

:03:31.:03:32.

Common travel area between the UK and the Republic of Ireland. No-one

:03:33.:03:36.

wants to see a return to the borders of the past. In terms of

:03:37.:03:42.

immigration, we will remain an open, tolerant nation. We will continue to

:03:43.:03:48.

welcome the brightest and the best and ensure that immigration continue

:03:49.:03:50.

to bring benefits in terms of addressing skill shortages where

:03:51.:03:56.

they exist. But we will manage our immigration system properly, which

:03:57.:04:02.

means free movement from the European Union cannot continue as

:04:03.:04:06.

before. We want to guarantee the rights of European Union citizens

:04:07.:04:10.

who are already in this country and make such a great contribution to

:04:11.:04:14.

our society already, and in tandem with that protect the rights of UK

:04:15.:04:16.

citizens in EU countries. Would like to resolve this issue at

:04:17.:04:25.

the early possible moment. -- earlier. Already UK law goes further

:04:26.:04:32.

than EU minimums in many areas but as we shift the UK law, we will

:04:33.:04:35.

ensure that workers' rights are not just protected but enhanced. In

:04:36.:04:41.

terms of trade, we want to build a more open, outward looking,

:04:42.:04:45.

confident nation that is a global champion for free trade. Membership

:04:46.:04:52.

of the EU's internal market means accepting its four freedoms, in

:04:53.:04:56.

terms of the movement of goods, services, capital and people, and

:04:57.:05:00.

complying with the EU's rules and regulations. That would effectively

:05:01.:05:03.

mean not leaving the European Union at all. So we do not propose to

:05:04.:05:10.

maintain membership of the EU single market. Instead, we will seek the

:05:11.:05:15.

broadest possible access to it through a comprehensive free trade

:05:16.:05:20.

agreement with the EU. We want it to cover goods and services and be as

:05:21.:05:26.

ambitious as possible. This is not a zero-sum game. It should be in the

:05:27.:05:30.

interests of both the UK and the European Union. It is in all our

:05:31.:05:37.

interests, that financial services continue to be provided freely

:05:38.:05:40.

across borders, that integrated supply chains are not disrupted and

:05:41.:05:44.

that trade continues in as barrier free away as is possible. While we

:05:45.:05:49.

will seek the most open and possible market in the European Union, we

:05:50.:05:52.

also want to further trade links with the rest of the world. So we

:05:53.:05:56.

will deliver the freedom of the UK to strike trade agreements with

:05:57.:06:00.

other countries. The Department for International trade has already

:06:01.:06:02.

started to prepare the ground and it is clear there is enormous interest

:06:03.:06:06.

around the globe in forging new links to the UK. Full membership of

:06:07.:06:14.

the EU's Customs union would prohibit new international trade

:06:15.:06:17.

deals so we do not intend to remain part of the common commercial policy

:06:18.:06:22.

ought to be bound by the common external tariff. Instead, we will

:06:23.:06:28.

seek a customs agreement with the European Union with the aim of

:06:29.:06:31.

ensuring that cross-border trade remains as barrier free as possible.

:06:32.:06:36.

Clearly, how this is achieved is a matter for negotiation. The UK is

:06:37.:06:42.

one of the best places in the world for science and innovation, with

:06:43.:06:45.

some of the best universities in the world. So we must continue to

:06:46.:06:49.

collaborate with our European allies. When it comes to crime,

:06:50.:06:54.

terrorism, security, we will aim to further cooperation with EU

:06:55.:06:57.

countries. We will seek practical arrangements in these areas to

:06:58.:07:01.

ensure we keep our continent secure and defend our shared values.

:07:02.:07:06.

Finally in terms of our exit, we have said repeatedly that it would

:07:07.:07:11.

be no one's interest for it to be disorderly, with any sort of cliff

:07:12.:07:14.

edge, the word used over there, as we leave the European Union. So we

:07:15.:07:18.

intend to reach broad agreement about the terms of our new

:07:19.:07:22.

partnership with the EU by the end of the two-year negotiation

:07:23.:07:26.

triggered by Article 50. But then we will aim to deliver an orderly

:07:27.:07:29.

process of implementation. That does not mean an unlimited transitional

:07:30.:07:33.

period where the destination is not clear but time for both the UK and

:07:34.:07:38.

EU member states to prepare for new arrangements whether it is in terms

:07:39.:07:42.

of customs arrangements, regulation of financial services, cooperation

:07:43.:07:44.

over criminal justice and immigration controls. These are the

:07:45.:07:49.

aims and objectives we set today for negotiations to come. So our

:07:50.:07:54.

objectives are clear, to deliver certainty and clarity wherever we

:07:55.:07:57.

can, to take control of our own laws, to protect and strengthen the

:07:58.:08:01.

union, to maintain the Common travel area with the Republic of Ireland,

:08:02.:08:06.

to control immigration, to protect the rights of EU nationals in the UK

:08:07.:08:09.

and UK nationals in the EU, to protect workers' rights, to allow

:08:10.:08:14.

free trade with European markets, to forge new trade deals with other

:08:15.:08:18.

countries, to boost science and innovation, to protect and enhance

:08:19.:08:22.

cooperation over crime, terrorism and security and to make our exit

:08:23.:08:27.

smooth and orderly. It is the outline of an ambitious new

:08:28.:08:30.

partnership between the UK and the countries of the European Union. We

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are under no illusions, agreeing terms that work for both the UK and

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the 27 nations of the European Union will be challenging and no doubt,

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there will be bumps on the road once talks begin. We must embark on a

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negotiation clear, however, that no deal is better than a bad deal. As

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the Prime Minister made clear today, the UK could not accept a punitive

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approach. So let me be clear, we do not expect this outcome. We are

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confident that if we approach these talks in the spirit of goodwill, we

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can deliver a positive deal which works to the mutual benefit of all.

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It is absolutely in our interests that the EU succeeds and in the EU's

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interest interests that we succeed, too. We do not want the European

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Union to fail. We wanted to prosper politically and economically. We

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will seek to convince our eyes that a strong new partnership with the UK

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will help them to do so. -- our allies. Our approach is not about

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cherry picking but reaching a deal which fits the aims of both sides.

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We understand the EU wants to preserve its four freedoms and chart

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its own course. That is not a project UK will now be apart of. And

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so we will leave the single market and the institutions of the European

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Union. We will make our own laws and decisions about immigration. And let

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me be crystal clear today, if there was any doubt, the final deal agreed

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between the UK and EU will be put to a vote in both Houses of Parliament

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before it takes effect. To conclude, we are leaving the European Union

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but we're leaving Europe. We will continue to be reliant on partners,

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willing allies and close friends to European neighbours. -- we are not

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leaving Europe. We anticipate success, not failure but we are

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ready for any outcome. The UK will embrace its new place in the world

:10:26.:10:28.

with optimism, strength and confidence. Thank you Mr Speaker.

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Sur Keir Starmer. Thank you Mr Speaker, and can I thank the

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secretary of state for giving me an advanced copy of this statement? Mr

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Speaker, the Prime Minister's speech which she has just given is the most

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important one she has made, it is about the future of our relationship

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with the EU and our position in the world. The place for such a speech

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is here. At this dispatch box. That is not just a convention. That is so

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that MPs across this house can ask the Prime Minister directly on

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behalf of their constituents about the plans she has for their future.

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There are many questions. For many months, the Labour Party has been

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demanding fullest possible access to the single market, emphasising the

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risks of leaving the customs union, arguing for a collaborative

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relationship with our EU partners, emphasising the need for

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transitional arrangements, and the need for entrenchment of workers'

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rights. Today, the Prime Minister has rightly accepted these in her

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plan and I acknowledge that. She has given little detail about how that

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is to be achieved and there are some unanswered questions and some big

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gaps. It is, in truth, a half in, half out plan. She has not... Let me

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give an example. The Prime Minister says that she doesn't want the

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jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. But she wants a

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comprehensive trade agreement. Sooner or later, she and others will

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have to face the fact that any such agreement will have a dispute

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resolution clause and that will have to be independent of this country.

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It will not be by reason and resolution in the High Court in

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London, according to English law. So there will have to be, as she has

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avoided fronting up to some of these essential questions. But if the

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Prime Minister achieves all she has set out to achieve, she will fall

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short of hard Brexit, that many in business and trade unions have

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feared, the Brexit of no deal, their trade agreements, out of any customs

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union and at arms length with our EU relations. -- their trade

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agreements. It is good she has ruled out hard Brexit at this stage. But

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as the Prime Minister knows, setting out ambitions is the easy bit.

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Delivery is more difficult, much more difficult. The Prime Minister

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has taken the precarious course of taking the UK out of single market

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membership and changing the customs arrangements. This will cause

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concern to businesses, as the secretary of state knows, and to

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trade unions and the Prime Minister should have been more ambitious. But

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I accept that form follows function. So let me set out in terms what

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Labour will hold the Prime Minister to account for, as far as trade is

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concerned. Tariff free access to the single market. Access to the single

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market unencumbered by impediment, and I paused there, this is what was

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in the exchange of letters with Nissan, it is what all businesses

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want, and all trade unions want for those dealing in goods and services.

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Alignment of regulatory bodies to avoid dual bureaucracy or worse,

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diverted. And a deal that works for goods and services. That is the test

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we set out today. It is the test we will return to throughout the

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negotiations and it is the test to be applied when the deal is reached.

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And that is why the concession on a vote at the end of the negotiations

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is significant. We have been demanding that for months. It has

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not been given before today. It is significant because it means that we

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can ensure that those tests are met throughout the process and at the

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end of the process. The sting in the tail in the plan this morning if the

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threat to destroy the economic model which has been in place for many

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decades if the ambition is not reached. This is a very serious

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threat. That model, a shared model, about which there has been consensus

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for decades across this house, is designed to share prosperity,

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protect workers' rights, and improve living standards. There is no

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mandate for reckless disregard of that model and of so much that this

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country stands for. The Prime Minister described that model,

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resorting to that model, as an act that would be one of self harm for

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the EU. It would, Mr Speaker, be an act of huge self harm for the UK to

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abandon the economic model that we have had in place for so many years.

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It is also totally inconsistent, totally inconsistent with any

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meaningful commitment to workers' rights and a fairer society. So that

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sting in the tail, that threat undermines the ambition is a plan

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that I recognise. Let me touch on wider issues. The UK and EU have

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usually benefited from our collaborative work in the field of

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criminal Justice, anti-terrorism, research, medicine, science,

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technology, arts and culture and much else. We should be seeking to

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preserve that collaboration, not destroy it. Yet the Prime Minister

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said today, and I quote, "We do not seek to hold onto bits of membership

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as we leave". Let me give some examples of the bits she should seek

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to retain... Order. No, the honourable gentleman is a learning

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and celebrated and cerebrally individual. I don't want to

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interrupt him but the convention is that the reply is normally half the

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length of the statement so I can indulge the honourable gentleman

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modestly. There normally a bit of attitude but I was concerned when he

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had some, particularly as he is a lawyer! Mr Speaker, without details,

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the European Aviation Safety Agency which deals with safety, the

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European medicines agency and of course, Europol, which I worked with

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for many years. These are the bits of the EU we should be seeking to

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retain and not to throw away. Mr Speaker, I end by saying this. It

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was the previous Prime Minister who got us to this place without any

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forethought or planning. This Prime Minister has now chosen a risk

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implementation plan. She owns the consequences now. She owns them in

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2019 and beyond that. Thank you. The secretary of state. When we started

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down this route, I said to the house that the government have been given

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a national instruction which we would attempt to interpret in the

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national interest. It seemed to me that was the right approach to this,

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not a 52-48 approach but one that encompassed the interests of

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everybody. And I hope today that we had done that today. I mean in terms

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of the honourable gentleman's, and he's a very talented man, his

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questions were Azarenka as you'd expect, asking us about membership

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of the single market and we answer that. We laid out the claims of a

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customs union, another of his questions. He asked for detailed to

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scrutinise the plans and we will give it. In the context of not

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undermining our negotiation, that is entirely what we have tried to do. I

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had hoped that we would see support from some members of the benches

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opposite for what we think is a responsible, thoughtful, but

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realistic plan that takes on board the instructions we have been given

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by the British people. -- people, to take us out of the European Union

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but in a way which preserve that interest as best we can, whether

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they are security, economic interests or whatever. Let me deal

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with all the specific points he raised. I will put aside my

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disappointment at tone. He says a free trade arrangement will have do

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have a dispute resolution procedure. So it will cover they nearly all do

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but it does not have to be the European court of justice. We can

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agree but he has got the thrust of it wrong. As for other things,

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tariff free, I agree, impediment free, I agree, alignment regulation

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May be necessary in some aspects and we will see at the negotiating

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developments. -- develops. On goods and services, I agree. He's not

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putting up any hurdle but frankly we don't intend to cross ourselves.

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This question of threats, it is not a threat, this was the Chancellor,

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in response to an interview, saying, if you go down the route of a

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punitive approach, this is the consequence, what will happen.

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Nations defend themselves. No one says what we want to do, it is

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specifically what we don't want to do. We want the freest possible

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relationship, the most friendly possible we can get and that is what

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we will set out to do. You can take it as read that all the

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issues he raised, we will be addressing over time in this House

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and most particularly we'll be addressing in the negotiating

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chamber with the Europeans. I think that they'll have as much interest

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as we do. That is what the negotiation is predicated upon. We

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are going to do what is in the interests of everyone, ourselves, if

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Europeans and owl our neighbours in part of globe -- and our neighbours

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and our part of the globe. That's what we intend to do.

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I'm sure we'll acknowledge the Prime Minister's speech, it's principled,

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reasonable and statesmanlike. Does he agree that, in relation to

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what the 27 member states, heads of Government said, only a few weeks

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ago, the last counsel sum commitment, that there would be no

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access to the single market unless we accepted all the four freedoms --

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summit. That this does represent a difficulty. Does he accept therefore

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that it's essential that we clear that with the other member states on

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the basis of principle, reasonableness and statesmanship?

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I have tried throughout the six months so far not to respond to

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sometimes the emotional comments we've heard from various people

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around the continent. I'm sort of slightly surprised in him, however.

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He of all people would pull me up if I confused access to single market

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with membership of single market. Pretty much every country in the

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world that's not subject to sanctions has access to the single

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market. We will have access to the single market. The question that

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this is about is the terms. My job, and the job frankly of everybody,

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including the opposition, is to persuade our opposite numbers in

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Europe that it's in their their interests too that we all have

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access to each other's markets. That's what I intend to do.

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Thank you Mr Speaker. I thank the secretary for advance sight of the

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statement. We have seen the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State

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today complete an un-Holy Trinity of Westminster promises to people of

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Scotland. They promised to take account of the 62% remain vote in

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Scotland. And to consider all options for Scotland's future.

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They've broken that promise today. They promised during the referendum

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and in the election manifesto that leaving the EU doesn't mean we have

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to leave the single market. Today they are making that promise. As for

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the promise in 2014 remaining in the United Kingdom guaranteed Scotland's

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place in Europe, we all know where that's gone. I have to say to the

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Secretary of State, I hope he'll pass the message back to his boss

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that if she insists on giving Scotland only one option to remain,

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Scotland will take that option. We do have certainty, we know with

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certainty that Brexit means hard Tory Brexit. Can I ask the Secretary

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of State, even at this late stage, to accept that the promises that he

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and the Prime Minister have made must be honoured. Will he tell the

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House how he proposes to recognise the 62% Remain vote in Scotland and

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the overwhelming unanimous view in Scotland that our free movement of

:23:50.:23:54.

people is essential for our well-being. Can he tell the House if

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he's read the Scottish Government paper on Scotland's place in Europe

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and give than he's nodding, will he undertake this paper will be

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properly and thoroughly discussed at the joint ministerial council next

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week. Will he undertake, that before any non-returnable steps are taken,

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that Members of Parliament of all devolved nations will be given a

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chance, even on an advisory basis to consider the Government's plans,

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even before they are implemented. I thank the honourable gentleman for

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his question. It's been my privilege to chair the joint ministerial

:24:31.:24:34.

committee on European negotiations on which Mike Russell broadly

:24:35.:24:38.

represents the Scottish Government's position. I gave him an undertaking

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that we'd debate that paper at the next JMCEN, as it's known in

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Whitehall jargon. That's what we'll do. One of the things I've been very

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careful not to do is comment publicly on it because I said we

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want to give it the most open debate possible. There are parts of it I

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disagree with and parts I agree with. On the question of protection

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of workers' rights or maintenance of our terrific universities, I'm

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entirely on the side of the paper. On areas of devolution, Mr Russell

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may be surprised on how pro-devolution I am. There'll be

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nothing taken away and we'll have to decide what passes to them from the

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European Union. That will be a rational debate, based around the

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interests of the UK and Scotland. So he must take it as read I think

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that we will take very, very seriously the idea that we do not

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allow any part of the United Kingdom, any nation, Scotland,

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Wales, Northern Ireland, England, to lose out by this process. We are

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determined of that. THE SPEAKER: Anna Soubry? Thank you

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very much. I'll continue to come pain for membership of the single

:25:52.:25:55.

market and to make the positive case for immigration because I believe in

:25:56.:25:58.

the free movement of the people from the European Union. But can I make

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it very clear that I welcome the - I nearly said Her Majesty - the Prime

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Minister's speech and the statement made by my right honourable friend.

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I think it's realistic. It's much-needed clarity. I think the

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tone is to be hugely welcomed. It marks in that tone, a genuine

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desire, to bring about a consensus to reunite our country. So, in that

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spirit, would my right honourable friend commit, please, to putting

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those 12 objectives, this is not unreasonable, Mr Speaker, into a

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White Paper, bringing it into this House so that we can finally,

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because we haven't, and many others feel that Parliament's been

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deliberately procluded from this, that we can debate the single

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market, the customs union and free movement of people. I'll say first

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to my right honourable friend about her slip of the tongue, I often make

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the same mistake. Probably why I am where I am!

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As for her request to the you believe stance of this, I've tried

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today and the Prime Minister's tried today to answer all the questions we

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are able to answer without undermining the negotiation. But in

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terms of debates in the House, I can see in this chamber entirely a part

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for debating the very thing she talked about. So that's why I'll

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seek to get. THE SPEAKER: Ed Miliband. Thank you,

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Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State and the Prime Minister have both

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more or less admitted today what's been obvious for months, that it

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will take more than two years to have a trade deal with the EU ready

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to go. But there then follows a crucial question for many, many

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businesses up and down this country which is what the arrangements will

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be when we leave the EU and that trade deal is not yet completed. But

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listening to the Secretary of State today and indeed reading the Prime

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Minister's speech, we are not the wiser what that will be. Can the

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Secretary of State now enlighten us on this crucial point which matters

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to families and businesses hugely. I'll correct one or two things what

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he got wrong. He's wrong to interpret what I said as any

:28:33.:28:38.

suggestion that we'll not be able to negotiate this outcome in the

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timetable in front of us. The issue I said was that we'd look at

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implementation issues because I may well take time and I cited the

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borders and customs and various other aspects which might take time

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to take effect. It will be in the joint interests of the European

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Union and ourselves to put that in place. More widely, I cannot think

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how I could have been clearer. I've answered every single question with

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one exception that his spokesman of the party put to us. I've tried to

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answer as many as I can of the ones the Select Committee put to us. We

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have been very clear. I don't think out there anybody will believe the

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Labour Party now when they say we don't know what the negotiating

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strategy is. It's as plain as a pike staff and he should recognise that.

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The Prime Minister's given clarity, we are leaving the single market and

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customs union. Further to the point that's just been asked, in the

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implementation phase of the Prime Minister's proposal after article

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50, that period of adjustment to a deal, will all of the detailed terms

:29:49.:29:52.

already have been finalised or, is the period during which the details

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of the so-called bold and ambitious deal, as she put it, to be still

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worked out during the phase? My right honourable friend wrote a very

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wise paper which I referred to previously in a previous exchange

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here and he'd recognise that the negotiating balance changes at the

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end of the two-year period, so it's very, very important that we

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conclude the deal by then. The implementation is a different

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matter, it may take time and it does take time and we can't control

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whether we say putting in place a new customs arrangement or whatever

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it may be. It's the practicalities of it and that's what will drive it.

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Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. While the Prime Minister's made

:30:38.:30:41.

things clearer today and I welcome in particular the commitment that

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Parliament will have a vote on the final deal and that the Government

:30:45.:30:48.

will seek transitional arrangements, both things the Select Committee

:30:49.:30:51.

called for in its first report, there is one big issue where there

:30:52.:30:56.

is still uncertainty for businesses and that is the continuation of

:30:57.:31:04.

tariff free and barrier free trade. Now, given the Government's

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unequivocal commitment today to that goal, can the Secretary of State

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tell the House that if remaining in the customs turns out to be the only

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way of assuring that that is what we'll get what we asked for, can you

:31:18.:31:23.

ensure that's what we'll do to honour that commitment to

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businesses? Zbloo we'll abide by the instruction given to it by the

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British people and the instruction was to leave the European Union.

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I'm afraid that is inconsistent with membership of the market. What we

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have said in terms, is that we intend to deliver the very thing

:31:38.:31:43.

that he says British business is uncertain about. That is tariff free

:31:44.:31:48.

and barrier free access to the European market.

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Can I welcome the contribution to increased clarity that the Prime

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Minister's brought to the EU debate today. I just hope that the 27

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remaining countries in the EU will take this opportunity to embrace the

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positive spirit in which this plan's been put forward. But the Prime

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Minister actually said in her speech that she was putting the

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preservation of our precious union at the heart of everything and, in

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that spirit, can I ask the Secretary of State if there is parts of the

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country that are net beneficiaries from the EU, such as Wales and

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Cornwall, will continue to get that level of funding so they can take

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advantage of the great opportunities ahead. The aim of the entire

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strategy is to improve the economic prospects of the country and to do

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that properly, the Prime Minister has been very forward in terms of

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talking about the benefits of that. One of the things which has passed

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almost unremarked but was in fact remarkable, was the speed with which

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the Treasury stepped in very early on universities and farming and

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structural funds. It made a decision in four weeks in the middle of

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August, something which I don't think I can remember in my lifetime

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in this parent which is quite long. So I think she can take it as read

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that we'll do everything possible to make sure that awe parts in the

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United Kingdom benefit from this policy.

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I applaud the Prime Minister's speech and her vision of a liberal

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Brexit. Can the minister confirm that where mutual cooperation is

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needed between the EU and UK after we've left such as

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intelligence-sharing, that arrangements will be put in place on

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the basis of bilateral treaties, rather than us being the supplement?

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One of the things the Prime Minister's made plain is that we are

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not the supplement here or in what follows afterwards. Britain is the

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intelligent super power, we are critical to the fence of Europe from

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terrorist threat and we are also critical to the military support of

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Europe and dealing with migration, the navy at work -- with the navy at

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work. They are often on a bilateral basis now but they'll be done on a

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treaty basis equal to both sides. I think we should loyally support

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the Government. Hear-hear! LAUGHTER

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Will the Secretary of State confirm this, that insist on controlling

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your own borders and insisting on doing international trade deals is

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inconsistent, not just with membership of the European Union,

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but also the customs union and the single market, so I agree after the

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welcome turn of today's speech it's not hard Brexit, it's full Brexit.

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Well, I will start by saying with respect to his opening remarks, my

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health is fragile these days, careful about such assertions of

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supporting the Government! But it is plain, I mean, we have endeavoured

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to put together the option which gives the best outcome for Britain

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whilst obeying the decision of the people. That's what we have done and

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it will work. Thank you, MrSpeaker. The Prime

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Minister in the first part of her speech made a welcome commitment to

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enhance and protect workers' rights but at the end was threatening to

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take them away and to undercut the rest of Europe and rip up the

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British economic model if we don't get what we want. Can he now

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withdraw that threat and be clear that Britain will not do that

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because otherwise if the Government is prepared to rip up workers'

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rights as soon as the negotiations get difficult, how can we trust them

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to ensure that the rest of Britain's interests are protected if the

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negotiations get difficult, as well? I will say to her what I said to the

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head of the TUC a couple of weeks ago, there is no circumstance under

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which we will rip up worksers' rights. That's my commitment from

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the beginning in this job and it will be my commitment for as long as

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I am in it. The governor of the Bank of England

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said the financial stability risks to the eurozone are greater than

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those faced by the UK, will he undertake to offer the European

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Union a full agreement to ensure that through the withdrawal

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agreement the eurozone continues to enjoy access to the City of London?

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Well, the governor and my honourable friend make a good point. The City

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of London, the existence of the City of London ensures both a pool of

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liquidity and a source of almost bottomless source of low cost

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finance for most of the industries of Europe. So, I think they've every

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interest in doing the deal we described and that again I reiterate

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is what we are relying on that's in everybody's interests economically,

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socially and in terms of financial stability. As the Secretary of State

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knows I support reform of freedom of movement but in a way that does

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least damage to the economy and particularly the regional economy. I

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see in the Prime Minister's speech she makes specific mention of

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protecting the interests of Cardiff, Edinburgh, Belfast, the City of

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London, but there is no mention of the north-west of England, Greater

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Manchester or indeed any English region. Rather than leaving these

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crucial decisions to a London centric click isn't it take to open

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up this debate, give Greater Manchester a voice in it and

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establish a Brexit committee for the nations and regions?

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If he is not very careful, I shall invite him to jump on to the M62 and

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visit me at my home in Yorkshire, this right-wing bastion in the north

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of England. Firstly, as you he - as he might imagine, I am acutely

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conscious of the needs of the north and what I am intending to do, I had

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intended to announce it - I hadn't intended to announce it today but I

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will as he asked, after the mayoral elections I intend to All Yours the

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mayors to have a meeting to talk about precisely that.

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It's a makeshift plan but before he is able to negotiate it, can I urge

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on him enormous patience because our partners will first want to discuss

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the money, the division of the assets and liabilities. I shall

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almost reiterate the answer I gave to the previous question. I am from

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Yorkshire and we are known to be just like the Scots, but a lot less

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generous! Today's speech is a result of what

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you get when you allow immigration policy to dictate economic policy,

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rather than considering these crucial questions of immigration and

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economics together. The Prime Minister set out a plan to leave the

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European Union but she did not set out a plan to keep anything like the

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current access to our biggest single market for jobs, businesses and

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trade and during the referendum campaign she said that pulling out

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of the single market would mean a loss of investors and going

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backwards on international trade. Let me ask the Secretary of State,

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what economic assessment did the Government make on the impact of

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today's speech on jobs, trade and prosperity or was the speech made

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without any such assetment at all? The first thing I will say to him is

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that the outcome of the referendum last year was not principally, it

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was a large part about immigration, but not principally about

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immigration, it was about control of our country. If you talk to the

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people who voted that was what they were concerned about. That's what

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this is about. Since I was party to the writing of this speech I can

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tell him, we had the economic future of the country, the security of the

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country, the sovereignty of the country and our part in the world

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all squarely in our sights when we wrote it.

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My right honourable friend in his speech made clear that no deal is

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better than a bad deal. In the unlikely I am sure event that we

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were to get a bad deal and the House were to vote against it, what would

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be the impact in terms of our status within the European Union?

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Well, the referendum last year set in motion a circumstance where the

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UK is going to leave the European Union and it won't change that. What

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we want to have is a vote so the House can support the policy which

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we are quite sure they will approve of when we get there.

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Can I welcome the Prime Minister's speech today in the sense that it

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gives certainty to those millions of Labour supporters who voted to leave

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and now know that the slogan taking back control is not just a slogan

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but actually means something. Could I ask him in the interim period now,

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before we actually leave, will he assure us that the negotiations

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about trade deals with other countries that may be nearly there,

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that we will continue to do that work so we are ready to go when we

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actually leave the EU? Of course we will do that. The honourable lady is

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entirely right. What we are constrained by is a thing called the

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duty of sincere co-operation. It requires us not to do things which

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jeopardise actions by the European Union. If the European Union

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currently has a trade deal in negotiation we have to be very

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careful about how we impact on that. Of course we can't actually sign

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until the day we leave. But I have a strong suspicion that there will be

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a lot of things ready to sign that very next day.

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I apologise for being unavoidably rather late in the chamber. Whilst I

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welcome the tone of the Prime Minister's statement today and the

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commitments to free trade and internationalism and so on which are

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very welcome, does my right honourable friend agree that when he

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is negotiating free trade agreements or customses union with any other

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country or groups of country, the parties both agree to be bound by

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sets of rules which neither of them are going to change and any

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agreement involves submitting to some means of resolution of

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disputes, be it arbitration or a court of law or the World Trade

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Organisation rules. So what I don't understand when reading the Prime

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Minister's statement or listening to my right honourable friend is which

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country in the world is going to enter into a trade agreement with

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this country on the basis that the rules are entirely what the British

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say they're going to be on any particular day and if there is any

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dispute about the rules it's going to be sorted out by the British

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Government? LAUGHTER

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Well, those on that side have a very short memory. I can forgive my right

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honourable friend, he didn't hear the first question which was on

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exactly this point. And I answered it in the same way I am going to

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answer this, which is of course there will be agreements between us

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and there will they'll be arbitrated by an organisation which we agree

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between us, not normally the European Court of justice.

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Thank you, MrSpeaker. Can the Secretary of State be absolutely

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crystal clear, does his statement and the Prime Minister's speech

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represent the totality of the plan promised to parliament and will

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there be a White Paper, yes or no? I was asked by the select committee

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that we will present the plan as quickly as possible, that's what we

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have done. I am very pleased to hear priorities

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include allowing the EU citizens to stay here and allowing us to still

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access those vital skills we need for science and insroe vasion. I

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appreciate the negotiation can't be open for all to see and no running

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commentary will be possible. Will the Secretary of State commit -

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needs and requirements must be reflected in negotiating aims.

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Broadly, yes, the honourable lady is a member for Cambridgeshire? I was

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in Cambridge only just before Christmas to speak to a number of

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hi-tech organisations, one of them ARM but a number of others, as well,

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some pharmaceutical ones, as well, with the direct intention of

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informing exactly how we approach some of these complex matters in the

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negotiation. The Government took a wise decision

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to inform our E. Partners that in the event of intransigence during

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our negotiations to establish a new partnership that we would not take

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it lying down and would use the fiscal and legislative levers at our

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disposal to ensure that Britain's economic case was represented

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properly. Is he surprised at the casual way in which the opposition

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has dismissed the use of these levers on the basis that it might

:45:52.:45:56.

start a trade war and would he not accept that the sure way of getting

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entrance generals from the EU is to throw away this economic deterrent

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we have at our disposal? I am disappointed but not surprised, what

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is perhaps spicing -- surprising. This is something in the national

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interest, every single member of our nation stands to gain.

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Can I welcome the detailed plan set out by the Prime Minister for a

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post-Brexit Britain that means that we are a self-governing democracy, a

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firm friend to Europe but have a global perspective. Does he agree

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that it's vital this is a positive vision because that's the way we can

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unite the country and make sure Britain goes from strength to

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strength? Well, my honourable friend goes to

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the heart of this. The purpose of this and the reason we addressed the

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questions that were put by the opposition was because we wanted to

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get people behind a vision of Britain which will be in everybody's

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interests, everybody, north, south, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern

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Ireland, every part of the country, rich and poor and that's what we

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intend to do. Thank you, MrSpeaker. In 45 minutes

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the Prime Minister hasn't delivered a plan, she's delivered a Pandora's

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Box. She said she wants us to leave the common commercial policy and the

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common external tariff but to have associate membership of the customs

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union. A membership that doesn't yet exist and nobody else has. Can the

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Secretary of State tell us exactly what this means now for the deals

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like the aniesen deal on which thousands of jobs -- Nissan. Or what

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is it he - what cake he wants to eat and have this time? Nissan have

:47:52.:47:56.

decided to enlarge their investment in Britain, so they are clearly

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persuaded of this circumstance. The second thing I would say to her is

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that we have said from the beginning the relationship, the new

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partnership we want to have with the European Union will be unique T will

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be brand new, it is unique in many ways. Let me give one example. In

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the trade deal that we are seeking to arrive at we will be at the same

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standards of production, same standards applying to all of Britain

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that applies to the European Union now. There is no other trade deal in

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the world like that. The same thing applies to customs agreements, we

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are in a position where currently we have no customs barriers, why should

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we not have a frictionless one when we get to the end of the deal?

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Does the Secretary of State agree with me that a strong, fair and

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global Britain must include showing support for EU nationals currently

:48:54.:48:57.

living and working in our communities and to that end does he

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agree with me that we should unilaterally guarantee their rights

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as this would demonstrate our goodwill with a clear statement of

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intent? En What we have done is we have

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sought at the earliest possible opportunity with the national

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governments of those EU nationals to try to establish an agreement which

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covers both those EU nationals about which we care deeply, but also those

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citizens for whom we have a legal and moral responsibility, that's the

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point to remember, we have a legal and moral responsibility for our own

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citizens and those nations have not yet taken up the offer.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Further to the point made by the honourable

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lady for Twickenham, the speech does contain the words "guarantee", so

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there is a commitment from the Government that they want to do

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this. However, with 3.5 million citizens living in our country, will

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it be 23rd June or the day we trigger. Certainly is extremely

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important and work needs to be done on the basis of when people arrived

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because the number of EU citizens will have arrived without passports

:50:16.:50:22.

but with identity cards. He'll know as a long-standing ex-chairman of

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the Home Affairs Select Committee which actually published a report on

:50:27.:50:30.

this and put up three dates, that this is a matter strictly for the

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Home Office to initiate and their policy on it.

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People came here in good faith to feel fear, concern about the future

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and we want to be able to guarantee all the other things that go with

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it, the welfare support and so on. That's what we intend to do. He'll

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forgive me if I don't pick a date out of the air because he knows what

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will happen, it will create an instant problem in terms of concerns

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for people who arrived either before or after that date. I don't wish

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this to make it any more difficult for the decent people that I want to

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help. I also welcome the Prime Minister's

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tone and her outlined objectives as she enters into the Brexit

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negotiations. I'm pleased she's listened to honourable friends to

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putting that vote to Parliament. Does my right honourable friend

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agree with me that in order to ensure that the Government is in

:51:31.:51:34.

tune with the will of Parliament that the single market is

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desperately overdue, the debate on it, and also so that Britain can be

:51:44.:51:46.

a best friend and neighbour to European partners. To do anything

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else would make Britain poor and the European partners. He goes to the

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heart of the strategy. The non-tariff barriers are as important

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in some ways as the 0% tariff and maybe harder to negotiate.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Once the UK's left the EU, there'll

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be a ?9 billion in EU finances. Given reduced resources, why does

:52:18.:52:20.

the Government believe the EU will prioritise negotiating a trade deal

:52:21.:52:23.

with the UK over more lucrative markets such as the US or China?

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Well, I'm afraid she's wrong about the more lucrative market bit. I

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mean, we are, once we are outside the European Union, the largest

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market for the European Union. They do not want to lose what they

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already have, which is a massive trade deficit, as it were, in their

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direction, which is very important for many, many millions of jobs.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. I would like to warmly welcome the statement by

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my right honourable friend and the speech earlier by the Prime

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Minister. I'm sure my right honourable friend is aware of the

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importance of the British university sector for research, jobs and

:53:06.:53:11.

growth, and that is challenged, that sector, in terms of the workforce

:53:12.:53:16.

and also in terms of many of the grants it gets from the European

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Union. Will my right honourable friend commit to prioritising with

:53:20.:53:22.

the university sector to make sure it has a viable and strong future in

:53:23.:53:27.

a post-Brexit world? We are already at that. As I

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mentioned to his honourable friend, I was in Cambridge just before

:53:33.:53:34.

Christmas with that very much in mind.

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Let me just reiterate the point. I know I've made it from despatch box

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before. I'll reiterate the point. My job is to bring back control of the

:53:44.:53:47.

immigration policy to the UK. But do not assume that we'll do anything

:53:48.:53:51.

other than interpret that immigration policy in the UK's

:53:52.:53:57.

national interests. We are a university, a science super power

:53:58.:54:02.

and that science super power status depends on our access to tariffs,

:54:03.:54:06.

our ability to get people to come and work in our universities with

:54:07.:54:10.

Nobel Prizes and do what they do very well here and we have got that

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very, very square and centre in what we are attempting to achieve. Thank

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you very much, Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State was an early

:54:22.:54:25.

advocate of a White Paper. Downing Street have made it clear that

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there'll be no White Paper that the Prime Minister's speech is all we

:54:30.:54:35.

are going to get. Is he disappointed with that and, will he go back and

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ask her to think again so that we can have meaningful debate with

:54:41.:54:47.

votes ahead of the final agreement? I mean, frankly, she should read it.

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It's almost 7,000 words, a closely argued strategy in terms of the

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approach to the European Union. It answers all of her questions that we

:54:57.:55:01.

can answer at this stage and that's what we set out to do, to help

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Parliament with its decisions. That's what I think we have done.

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The honourable member from hoe burn and St Pancras suggested that the

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ECJ would retain the trade deal. Given the Canada trade deal contains

:55:20.:55:23.

an arbitration clause, does the Secretary of State think this is

:55:24.:55:27.

absolutely necessary? There is always an arbitration clause in any

:55:28.:55:31.

trade deal but whoever the organisation that carries out the

:55:32.:55:35.

arbitration, is a part of that deal. That's what we'll agree. I think

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it's incredibly unlikely it will be the ECJ.

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Can I suggest to the honourable member that the Government's threat

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of turning Britain into a corporate tax haven floating off on the edge

:55:48.:55:50.

of Europe is not what people voted for on the 23rd June. People also

:55:51.:55:54.

did not vote to wreck our environmental protections. So will

:55:55.:55:59.

the Government introduce a new Environmental Protection Act as

:56:00.:56:02.

advocated by the Environmental Audit Committee so that vital safeguards

:56:03.:56:06.

for nature are neither quietly dropped through secondary

:56:07.:56:08.

legislation, nor bargained away in this rush to be able to conclude new

:56:09.:56:11.

trade deals, for example, with the US.

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Well, what I'll say to her is this. The way we have structured this,

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very clearly I think, with the great Repeal Bill, so that that all of the

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existing protections in law will be put into British law, then anything

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thereafter will be for this Parliament to decide, something that

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hasn't been true for about 40 years. Mr Speaker, in the Secretary of

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State's long and distinguished political career, did he ever think

:56:43.:56:46.

that in his political lifetime, he would have a British Prime Minister

:56:47.:56:53.

make such a splendid speech on the EU, totally in line with the British

:56:54.:56:56.

people? Absolutely not! But sadly that won't

:56:57.:57:04.

get me a pay increase. Russia. Russia this week has been up

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to its usual tricks no trying to stir up trouble between Serbia and

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Kosovo and of course is trying to face down the United States of

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America and, for that matter, other members of NATO on the border with

:57:18.:57:22.

Poland and Estonia. Now, I believe that the bedrock of our national

:57:23.:57:28.

security is NATO. I hope my party does too. But successive Foreign

:57:29.:57:36.

Secretaries and Home Secretaries and Prime Ministers have come to this

:57:37.:57:39.

House and said that they are proud when they've come back from the EU,

:57:40.:57:43.

that they have been able to make sure that the EU keeps strong

:57:44.:57:47.

sanctions against Russian territorial aggression. How will we

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be able to do that in the future when we've left the European Union?

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Well, we'll be able to do it by bilateral negotiation. Let me go

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back to the fundamental of what he said. I mean, one of the - he's

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right, we need to contain Russian expansionism - and he's right that

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that's an important part of this country's role in the world. One of

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the most important parts of the incredibly important speech was the

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Prime Minister making it very plain that we will continue to be a good

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global citizen and a good European citizen, particularly on matters of

:58:25.:58:29.

regional security. I welcome today's statement and the

:58:30.:58:34.

clarity it brings. In the Black Country and the wider West Midlands

:58:35.:58:39.

economy, their businesses have driven export growth, particularly

:58:40.:58:43.

outside of the European Union. Would the Secretary of State agree with me

:58:44.:58:46.

that whatever we agree in terms of access to the single market, must

:58:47.:58:51.

not constrain the ability of West Midlands exporters to continue to

:58:52.:58:55.

ply trade outside of the European Union and grow their exports?

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He makes a point which goes to the heart of the approach to the customs

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union. The reason we are not going to be a part of the common

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commercial policy is to enable us to make the deals which enable the

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Black Country industrialists to make the maximum out of international

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trade. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. EU

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workers in Scotland contribute ?7. 5 billion to our economy, not to

:59:25.:59:28.

mention the huge contribution they make to our social fabric. What is

:59:29.:59:32.

he going to do to protect their rights and Scotland's place in

:59:33.:59:35.

Europe as they voted for by a majority in the EU vote?

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I mean, there was a part of the report that was produced by the

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Scottish Government which related to this and, as I said to one of my

:59:46.:59:53.

colleagues earlier, that we will not be managing the immigration policy

:59:54.:59:56.

or the migration policy in a way which harms the national interest.

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That means not causing Labour shortages, shortages of talent and

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so on. That applies, not just as it were globally, but to each nation

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state of the United Kingdom too. Thank you, Mr Speaker.

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I welcome the Prime Minister's plan for Britain and her speech today. I

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represent a rural constituency which has a long history and future of

:00:21.:00:26.

agriculture. Can my right honourable friend assure the House that

:00:27.:00:31.

agriculture will be central in any trade negotiations and that the high

:00:32.:00:36.

quality of food standards for which British farming is famed will be a

:00:37.:00:42.

key principle in those negotiations? The answer very simply is yes. We

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are a large market for European agriculture and food production but

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they are a large market for us too and we'll keep that in mind.

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Mr Speaker, on rethinking immigration policy, will ministers

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consider allowing EU citizens to come to the UK if they have a firm

:01:02.:01:06.

job offer in the UK, as part of the quid pro quo for the barrier free

:01:07.:01:10.

access to the single market which he said is his goal?

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I think if I remember correctly from the speech, the Prime Minister made

:01:16.:01:20.

the point thats the not a policy to shut out Europeans at all, it's a

:01:21.:01:24.

policy to deliver the best interests of the United Kingdom and the best

:01:25.:01:27.

interests of the European Union and therefore we'll keep that in mind,

:01:28.:01:32.

of course. I welcome the Prime Minister's

:01:33.:01:36.

speech and her plans. But would my right honourable friend agree his

:01:37.:01:38.

negotiations will be greatly enhanced by his commitment to

:01:39.:01:41.

working with Britishth British business and that the Government's

:01:42.:01:45.

commitment to shaping a modern industrial strategy with British

:01:46.:01:50.

business will also provide a clear vision for our post-Brexit economic

:01:51.:01:54.

future? The two policies fit together hand and glove almost, the

:01:55.:02:01.

industrial policy and the negotiating policy with the European

:02:02.:02:04.

Union. It's right that we have made an enormous amount of attention to

:02:05.:02:08.

business, finance and manufacturing, to aviation, energy, every single

:02:09.:02:12.

sector, 51 different sectors. We have paid a great deal of attention

:02:13.:02:15.

to them in order to get the best possible deal and we'll continue to

:02:16.:02:20.

do so. Mr Speaker, trading with the EU

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under WTO rules would be vastly inferior to our current arrangements

:02:28.:02:33.

with 10% tariffs on cars, 13% on clothes, up to 40% tariffs on

:02:34.:02:37.

agricultural produce that the lady was talking about. For the sake of

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clarity, can he be absolutely clear, does the Prime Minister's commitment

:02:43.:02:46.

to an interim implementation arrangement amount to the Government

:02:47.:02:55.

ruling out leaving the EU with no deal at all. That would be damaging

:02:56.:03:00.

for jobs and businesses in this country.

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If you walk into a negotiating option with no other option you

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won't do very well. Can I welcome the tone of the Prime

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Minister this morning in the building formerly known as Stafford

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House. Would he agree with me that this issue of no cliff edge of a

:03:30.:03:36.

really well-worked out implementation plan is incredibly

:03:37.:03:39.

important, not just for businesses, but for the entire economy and all

:03:40.:03:43.

of the people of the United Kingdom and indeed of the EU.

:03:44.:03:47.

I think my right honourable friend is, as ever, right. I would say to

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him, of course, the point I tried to make earlier and it was made this

:03:54.:03:56.

morning, is this is important to us but also important to the European

:03:57.:03:58.

Union too. Thank you, Mr Speaker. If we are

:03:59.:04:06.

looking things which unite us and will enable us to exit the European

:04:07.:04:09.

Union more smoothly, can I suggest the minister starts talking to the

:04:10.:04:12.

Home Office and to minister who is deal with universities to find a way

:04:13.:04:18.

where we can properly remove the numbers of international students

:04:19.:04:21.

from the head count of immigration figures?

:04:22.:04:28.

Having explained earlier how I got the job, I think answering that

:04:29.:04:35.

question would lose me the job. It is a matter for the Home Office. But

:04:36.:04:40.

she can be sure that as I have said earlier, in answer to other

:04:41.:04:44.

questions, the operation of the immigration policy after we depart

:04:45.:04:48.

the European Union will be in the national interest, that includes the

:04:49.:04:53.

interest of our incredibly powerful and effective university sector. As

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the Shadow Minister said, this is not a hard Brexit, nor is this a

:05:00.:05:04.

soft Brexit, this is a plan for Britain on Brexit. The pound is up

:05:05.:05:08.

almost 3% since the announcement of the Prime Minister this morning.

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Could I urge my right honourable friend to not give in to the voices

:05:12.:05:15.

opposite who want a constant commentary but to carry on the clear

:05:16.:05:18.

strategy that's been laid out since he took post of making announcements

:05:19.:05:22.

when there is something to announce because that stability has been

:05:23.:05:25.

proved on the markets today that it works. Well, I am slightly loath to

:05:26.:05:30.

pin the entire effectiveness of the strategy on the currency markets,

:05:31.:05:35.

although I have to say that in two speeches now we managed to move it

:05:36.:05:39.

by a total of 5% so I have made more money on that than in the entire

:05:40.:05:43.

rest of my industrial career. But I take the point. This is a very

:05:44.:05:47.

important issue that we must not give a running commentary on but I

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think the opposition have a point that clarity was worthwhile and

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that's been demonstrated today. The Prime Minister said in her

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speech that we are leaving the single market, that she was going to

:06:05.:06:10.

negotiate a tree trade agreement with the EU and -- free trade

:06:11.:06:15.

agreement with the EU. Taking arrangements in certain areas. The

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Prime Minister continued, if so, it is reasonable that we should make an

:06:22.:06:25.

appropriate contribution. Can the Secretary of State say today and

:06:26.:06:30.

confirm is the Government actually considering continuing to make a

:06:31.:06:33.

financial contribution on that basis to the EU? I think he should have

:06:34.:06:39.

listened to the questions as well when she elaborated on that. She

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pointed out there are elements of the European Union where it's to our

:06:46.:06:49.

benefit, some of the research arrangements and so on. We are not

:06:50.:06:54.

in the business of going into great detail beyond that. I have said

:06:55.:06:56.

before we are not closing doors, but neither are we committing to things

:06:57.:07:07.

at this point. Well done the Prime Minister, well done my right

:07:08.:07:13.

honourable friend. Does he share my optimism that access to the European

:07:14.:07:18.

markets will not be affected by our departure because of the millions of

:07:19.:07:23.

European workers who will not allow their politicians or their

:07:24.:07:27.

bureaucrats to threaten their livelihoods simply to punish the

:07:28.:07:30.

United Kingdom? I am sure my right honourable friend

:07:31.:07:33.

is right and I particularly like the opening of his question!

:07:34.:07:47.

Could I commend the honourable lady for her sanity in her common sense

:07:48.:07:52.

earlier and the member for Rushcliff for bringing a degree of integrity

:07:53.:07:56.

to the discussion. Does the Secretary of State for exiting the

:07:57.:08:00.

EU recognise that I and thousands of others in Northern Ireland won't be

:08:01.:08:05.

leaving the EU willingly. We recognise the very significant

:08:06.:08:09.

benefits that have flowed from EU membership. We hold EU passports and

:08:10.:08:14.

we intend to retain them. But can I ask the Secretary of State what

:08:15.:08:17.

arrangements he will make to accommodate us? People like myself

:08:18.:08:21.

and the 70% of my constituents who voted to remain in the EU and intend

:08:22.:08:27.

to retain the benefits and could he when he tell us how he intends

:08:28.:08:32.

Northern Ireland to have its voice heard at the GMC meetings that he

:08:33.:08:35.

has and in the negotiations generally in the next three months?

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Let me say to the honourable gentleman. Firstly, since the

:08:42.:08:47.

beginning of this process, since I took this post, we have put the

:08:48.:08:52.

preservation of the stability and interests of Northern Ireland pretty

:08:53.:08:55.

much at the top of the tree of the negotiation, in particular on issues

:08:56.:09:01.

such as maintaining an open border and indeed on preserving the

:09:02.:09:05.

economic basis of Northern Ireland which is very dependent on trade

:09:06.:09:11.

with the Republic of Ireland. In terms of the JMC, I don't think

:09:12.:09:15.

whether it's gone yesterday but I approved it yesterday for the

:09:16.:09:19.

Northern Ireland economictive asking them whether they during the interim

:09:20.:09:23.

period, although the Government doesn't - is now subject to an

:09:24.:09:28.

election, ministers, most of the ministers are still in place to get

:09:29.:09:32.

them to send representatives either Ministerial or other

:09:33.:09:34.

representatives, so that we are always across the interests of

:09:35.:09:38.

Northern Ireland. He must take it as read, I am absolutely committed to

:09:39.:09:41.

making sure that the stability we have got used to and the peace we

:09:42.:09:45.

have got used to and prosperity in the last several years, we intend to

:09:46.:09:50.

maintain. As the Secretary of State said, if

:09:51.:09:53.

we are to give up our membership of the European Union and indeed the

:09:54.:09:59.

single market, this is not incompatible with us negotiating

:10:00.:10:01.

access to the single market either in whole or in part, I was wondering

:10:02.:10:06.

if at this stage my honourable friend has considered red lines he

:10:07.:10:12.

may put down in terms of what we pay for such access? I have considered,

:10:13.:10:18.

but the idea that I might talk about them is neither here... The simple

:10:19.:10:22.

truth is, there is a sort of naivety in modern politics that you have to

:10:23.:10:27.

establish in some sort of butch way red lines. If you establish a red

:10:28.:10:33.

line what you do is you invite your opposite, your negotiating opposite

:10:34.:10:36.

to make that red line very expensive to you. So, I do not intend to get

:10:37.:10:41.

into the business of laying out red lines here, there and everywhere,

:10:42.:10:44.

because I intend to get the best possible outcome for the country.

:10:45.:10:55.

The Prime Minister has said that we will be leaving the jurisdiction of

:10:56.:11:01.

the European Court of justice but can the Secretary of State, who has

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been a strong advocate of human rights, confirm that we will not be

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leaving the European Convention on Human Rights?

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Well as she knows I have history in this area and they're completely

:11:17.:11:19.

separate entities, nothing to do with this.

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I wholeheartedly welcome my right honourable friend's statement and

:11:27.:11:32.

that of the Prime Minister. Steel production is hugely important in

:11:33.:11:36.

Northamptonshire, will he consult widely about the future of the steel

:11:37.:11:40.

industry to make sure we get these arrangements right because this is a

:11:41.:11:44.

vitally strategic important industry for our country? Yes, the short

:11:45.:11:48.

answer is yes. The Secretary of State talked about

:11:49.:11:56.

bumps in the road. But this threatens to be a head of on car

:11:57.:12:01.

crash for Wales where 200,000 jobs are supported by trade with Europe.

:12:02.:12:06.

Does he have any idea how many jobs will be lost in Wales as a result of

:12:07.:12:12.

his Government's chosen path? The intention is none. I will say to

:12:13.:12:18.

that end the joint Ministerial committee for European negotiation

:12:19.:12:22.

will be considering a subfrom the Government for Wales I think in the

:12:23.:12:27.

meeting after next. I actually believe the Prime

:12:28.:12:30.

Minister's powers are pragmatic plan because it sets out the ambitions

:12:31.:12:34.

that we have to continue to attract the best talent to continue access

:12:35.:12:38.

to the single market and to have a phased implementation and that

:12:39.:12:41.

certainly recognises the ambitions of the financial services industry.

:12:42.:12:46.

Could my right honourable friend confirm he will follow the Prime

:12:47.:12:52.

Minister's lead and put the needs at the forefront of his negotiations

:12:53.:12:57.

and secure mutual recognition and equiff Lance in those negotiations?

:12:58.:13:00.

Following my earlier comments of course I will follow the Prime

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Minister's lead! And yes, of course, national

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services is an enormously important industry, plus all the associated

:13:12.:13:14.

industries that support it. I have to tell him as well it's an industry

:13:15.:13:18.

that general rates great revenue for the tresh ear, even if I didn't pay

:13:19.:13:22.

attention I am sure the Chancellor would.

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58% of the north-east exports are destined for the EU, 10% more than

:13:29.:13:32.

the UK average, leaving our region the most exposed from leaving the

:13:33.:13:37.

single market. Could the Secretary of State confirm what specific

:13:38.:13:41.

assessment or specific conversations he has had with business

:13:42.:13:44.

organisations and others in the north-east to ensure that our voice

:13:45.:13:48.

is heard in these discussions and that those jobs that depend on our

:13:49.:13:51.

access to the single market are not put at risk.

:13:52.:13:58.

I am not a southerner, she will understand that I come at this from

:13:59.:14:04.

a different view from some, and companies like Nissan clearly took a

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view too. Let me put this to her clearly, the aim of this strategy is

:14:10.:14:15.

to deliver absolutely the maximum possible access to the European

:14:16.:14:18.

Union marketplace, as well as delivering access to other global

:14:19.:14:22.

marketplaces at the same time. Those two things will be to the benefit of

:14:23.:14:27.

the north-east just as much as anywhere else.

:14:28.:14:33.

Nearly 70% of my constituents voted to leave the EU so I very much

:14:34.:14:37.

welcome the Prime Minister's speech today and my right honourable

:14:38.:14:41.

friend's statement outlining a plan of how we can deliver this exit. But

:14:42.:14:48.

just a point on trade. Can my right honourable friend outline in more

:14:49.:14:51.

detail what the Government is going to do to ensure businesses such as

:14:52.:14:56.

those in Cannock Chase can make the most of global trade opportunities

:14:57.:15:01.

as we exit the EU? Strictly this is a question she

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should address to the department for international trade because one

:15:06.:15:08.

element of what they do is negotiating new deals but the other

:15:09.:15:13.

element is facilitating, particularly for medium sized

:15:14.:15:18.

businesses, the ones where we underperform, access to those

:15:19.:15:20.

markets and they'll be doing that, as well.

:15:21.:15:30.

The second of the Prime Minister's Brexit principles as leaving the

:15:31.:15:33.

European Union will mean our laws will be made in Westminster,

:15:34.:15:37.

Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast, in the spirit of principle one that the

:15:38.:15:42.

Government will provide certainty wherever it can, will the Secretary

:15:43.:15:46.

now provide details to the House of what further devolution or as he

:15:47.:15:51.

called it the right powers will go to the devolved administrations

:15:52.:15:53.

following our exit from the European Union?

:15:54.:15:58.

The first thing to say to her is that not a single power will come

:15:59.:16:03.

away from the devolved administrations, not one. If one was

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to listen sometimes to people talk being this you would think somehow

:16:07.:16:10.

we are going to strip the Scottish parliament of powers, which is not

:16:11.:16:15.

true. Secondly, I will say this to her, my presumption is I can tell

:16:16.:16:18.

her the principle, I can't give her the details at this stage, but my

:16:19.:16:22.

presumption is that wherever possible we will devolve so long as

:16:23.:16:26.

it doesn't undermine the UK single market, for which it is incredibly

:16:27.:16:30.

important to Scotland, about five times as much as it is to a European

:16:31.:16:36.

single market is. Secondly, that it preserves the ability of the

:16:37.:16:39.

Government to do international negotiation because - thirdly, to

:16:40.:16:42.

meet the international standards. Those are very important. Subject to

:16:43.:16:45.

that, I am on her side in terms of devolving.

:16:46.:16:51.

MrSpeaker, I totally agree with my right honourable friend that the UK

:16:52.:16:54.

is one of the best places for innovation and science and not least

:16:55.:16:58.

we have many world-class universities just like in my home

:16:59.:17:02.

town of Huddersfield. Would he agree that's exactly why our European

:17:03.:17:06.

allies will be eager to build a strong, new relationship?

:17:07.:17:12.

Of course. If the European negotiators take a rationale

:17:13.:17:15.

approach to this we will do this deal inside that two years and it

:17:16.:17:21.

will be good for both sides. No deal may be better than a bad

:17:22.:17:27.

deal but isn't the reality that no deal means, despite its best

:17:28.:17:32.

efforts, the British Government has been unable to conclude what it

:17:33.:17:38.

regards as a satisfactory outcome to the negotiations and therefore we

:17:39.:17:42.

are left with what the other 27 members want to impose on us,

:17:43.:17:46.

doesn't that sound like a pretty bad deal?

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No, being left to what 27 nations want to impose on sup a definition

:17:51.:17:57.

of a bad deal. I am sure the Secretary of State

:17:58.:18:00.

shares my enthusiasm for the clarity of the Prime Minister's speech

:18:01.:18:04.

today, a global Britain, freedom from the customs union and the

:18:05.:18:07.

constraints of single market membership. How will my right

:18:08.:18:13.

honourable friend impart that same enthusiasm amongst our EU friends

:18:14.:18:17.

and partners as we approach this future realising it's as good for

:18:18.:18:22.

them as it is good for us and it's a positive sum game? That last point

:18:23.:18:28.

is the most sper swaysive aspect. It will be to their benefit. The

:18:29.:18:32.

European Union has had a difficult five years, in economic terms and

:18:33.:18:36.

they really, if anybody has an appetite for more jobs and business

:18:37.:18:39.

and more trade it's them and we are their biggest market.

:18:40.:18:47.

The EU procurement rules have led to privatisation of parts of the health

:18:48.:18:52.

service, including part of the ambulance service in the East

:18:53.:18:57.

Midlands. Will the Secretary of State guarantee that when these

:18:58.:19:00.

negotiations are concluded and put in front of parliament that we will

:19:01.:19:04.

have the opportunity as parliament if we then choose to renationalise

:19:05.:19:10.

the entirety of the health service, without EU procurement getting in

:19:11.:19:13.

the way and if we also choose the rail industry?

:19:14.:19:17.

The honourable gentleman will understand better than most, that

:19:18.:19:21.

once we have exited the European Union, every change in law will be

:19:22.:19:24.

subject to this Parliament's decision.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. I very much welcome the Prime Minister's speech

:19:28.:19:37.

today and indeed my right my right honourable friend's statement

:19:38.:19:40.

earlier on. We have seen the New Zealand Prime Minister visiting

:19:41.:19:45.

London over the weekend expressing a desire for a trade deal and also the

:19:46.:19:50.

US President Elect Trump wanting a swift deal as well with the UK.

:19:51.:19:54.

There seems to be some confusion. Can my right honourable friend

:19:55.:19:59.

confirm that we cannot negotiate global free trade deals if we remain

:20:00.:20:05.

members of the customs union? Well, he's exactly right. What

:20:06.:20:09.

that's what the common commercial policy is, it prevents us doing

:20:10.:20:12.

that, that's why we have come to the conclusion that we have. Thank you

:20:13.:20:25.

Mr Speaker. The UK is going to do away with free movement, it's going

:20:26.:20:29.

to come out the customs union and leaving the single market. Yet we

:20:30.:20:35.

are going to maintain a common free movement deal with Ireland. How can

:20:36.:20:41.

that work but we are constantly told such a deal would not be possible

:20:42.:20:51.

between Scotland and England? If I remember correctly, the common

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travel area started in 1923 and has nothing to do with the European

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Union. Mr Speaker, my right honourable friend is the man with

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the plan. They may mock if they wish, Mr Speaker, but will he ensure

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that those wanting a running commentary will not get their way in

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wrecking the negotiation? Of course. Thank you very much

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indeed Mr Speaker. The Secretary of State and indeed

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the Prime Minister are very keen to repeat this phrase - no-one wants to

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see a return to the border of the past - between Northern Ireland and

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the republic. Of course no-one wants to see the return of the borders of

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the past with army patrols and that sort of thing. The reality is, we

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can't have a return to the border of the past because we don't have the

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army watch Towers. They've gone. Dissident Republicans have not gone.

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Dissident Republicans have murdered two prison officers in the last four

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years in Northern Ireland. This is a really serious issue. So if we are

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not going to go back to the border of the past and I don't want to go

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back to that very hard type of border, it's a porous border in

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south Armargh, 300 miles of it. Is the British Government proposing to

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outsource our immigration control to the Irish Government in terms of

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lick Rick, Shamrock, Dublin and Shannon? What is the British

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Government going to do and please throw some light on this in this

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debate in this House today because I'm so tired of hearing that sound

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byte, no-one wishes to return to the borders of the past. The first thing

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to say is of course there is an open border now and that's the existing

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circumstance. I don't wish to give her sound bytes but I'll say this to

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her. There are other borders and perhaps not quite the same security

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issues are related to them, around Europe, Norway to Sweden for

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example, where there is an open border maintained where you've got

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Customs and Excise across the border but nevertheless it's frictionless

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and that's what we'd aim for. On the security front, it's a question more

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for my right honourable friend the Secretary of State for Northern

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Ireland. Thank you Mr Speaker. Some 44% of

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our exports currently go to the European Union. But does the

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Secretary of State agree with me that in many respects that figure is

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part of the problem given that just 7% of the world's population lives

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in the EU. So does the Secretary of State agree with me that today's

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decision to come out of the single market gives us a wonderful

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opportunity to be more global and international with our trading

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partners. A difficult one. My right honourable friend will know better

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than me since, well in the last 16, 17 years, the balance of exports in

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this country to Europe and the rest of the world has always turned

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around. It was 60-40 in favour of Europe 20 years ago, it's now almost

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60-40 the other way. That reflexes the growth rates in global markets

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are much higher -- that reflects. That is one of the bonuses of exit

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of the European Union. The Prime Minister's come up with a wish list

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and a scorched earth policy of slashing taxes and Public Services

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if she doesn't get what she wants. Given that many of the Secretary of

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State's colleagues would regard that as an ideal snarl yes, it's the

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economics model they would love to see implemented here, how is he

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going to square that during the negotiations and ensure we homed out

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for the best deal, rather than this deal which would be absolutely

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terrible for this country? Ink it would help the honourable lady if

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she read the speech with an impartial view. It says in terms,

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the preferred outcome is that of the freest possible open market with the

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European Union as well as the rest of the world and that's what we

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intend to achieve. It's a statement of economic fact that a large part

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of our economy is heavily dependent on unskilled hard-working migrants

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from the European Union. Does he accept there is likely to still be

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some unskilled migration in this country after we leave the EU and if

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so, will it still be the case if at present that legally unskilled

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migrants can only come to the EU or will our migration system be global

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too? He's right that the level of unskilled migration is likely to

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continue. Where from, how it's controlled, will all be a matter for

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the new immigration policy which will be under the control of this

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House. I keep returning to - my sgrob is to return the policy here

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-- my job. Then it's the job of this house to make the right decision in

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the British national interest and I'm sure we will. Thank you Mr

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Speaker. My constituency voted stronger than anywhere else to leave

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the European Union. I know that many people in Boston and Skegness will

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welcome the lardty and tone of the announcement today. Does the

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Secretary of State agree with me that when the people of Boston and

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Skegness voted for this country to be able to control our immigration

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policy and to be able to do our own trade deals, they were voting

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knowingly to leave the customs union and the leave the single market? I

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don't want to get into trying to interpret the inner thinkings of

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this. But the advocates on both sides of the argument during the

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campaign made it plain that they thought that leaving the European

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Union meant leaving the single market so I can't think it was a

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decision made in ignorance. The Secretary of State has said

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maintaining the common area in Northern Ireland is important. This

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time, for the first time ever, one partner will be a member of the

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European Union and one will not be. Can he give some clarity to people

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like myself who have a porous border with the Republic of Ireland whether

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the common travel area will mean the free movement of people or will it

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mean the freedom of movement, people, goods and capital. Because

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many people travel with goods and will Welsh ports be subject to

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customs? Firstly, he's right, and one of the

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things I've discussed is that. The point that came across very clearly

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was that the European Union is very proud of its position in the peace

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process and does not want to jeopardise that. So I think we've

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got a very - it will be treating, as indeed it was a 1949 Act, somebody

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will know it, treats Irish citizens the same as British and vice versa.

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Thank you Mr Speaker, I'm loathed to disagree with my Parliamentary

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neighbour, people trying to build a statue of him in my constituency at

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the moment. Stand that to one side, but I can't think of a single treaty

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between the EU and another country which uses the ECJ to organise its

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dispute issues. Every treaty the EU's ever signed, as far as I'm

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aware, either uses an international arbitration system or the World

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Trade Organisation. So there is absolutely no reason that the Right

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Honourable friend and the Government couldn't achieve that in our own

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negotiations. THE SPEAKER: I hope it were a

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speaking statue, otherwise it wouldn't fully capture it. My right

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honourable friend is right and indeed I cannot imagine most

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countries doing deals with the European Union agreeing for the

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European Union's own court to make the judgment. It would be an

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independent, of course, in general. The Secretary of State's confirmed

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that my constituents who're EU nationals will be used as bargaining

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chips to secure the rights of EU nationals living in the UK. This is

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already impacting our NHS, universities and the construction

:29:41.:29:43.

sector amongst other sectors of the economy. Why won't he retain the

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moral high ground on this issue and confirm the rights of EU nationals

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living this the UK and their status as values members of the community

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and important contributors to our economy and Public Services and then

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seek to hold EU countries to the same high stand ahhed of

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decision-making as regards the rights of UK nationals? The point

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about doing it as a block is that it makes nobody a bargaining chip. Once

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you start separating groups out, you turn the remainder into a bargaining

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chip and we mustn't do that. We have a legal responsibility to our own

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sit Zibs. -- citizens. Having said that, many times in every public

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forum I speak in on this subject, that we are determined to get a good

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guaranteed position for them. They should not worry. It needs us to get

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all the other countries lined up to agree with us to do it. We tried to

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do it, we wanted to do it earlier but we haven't been able to. We'll

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do it as soon as we can. Will the minister explain what will

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happen to fisheries? Well, with great respect to my right honourable

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friend, I'm not going to go into every single sedge for of the --

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sector of the negotiation, but it's pretty plain that we have a very

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strong hand on fisheries, I'll put it that way. Thank you, Mr Speaker.

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It's a pity the Secretary of State was unable to attend the statement

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by my right honourable friend, the Right Honourable Secretary of State

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for Northern Ireland, for if he did he'd recognise the White Paper is a

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catastrophe. That's what he called it in his statement. That is the

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White Paper. Therefore to assure members of this House that the

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Secretary of State - will the Secretary of State assure us that

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the amendment will not be revoked either before or after Brexit and

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that the United Kingdom Government will confirm that it will not impose

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a hard border with their closest European Union member, Ireland.

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I think I've said that many times. Thank you Mr Speaker. When

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Switzerland voted in 2014 to restrict immigration, their future

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participation in key EU research programmes was thrown into doubt.

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Just a few weeks from the deadline they've reached a compromise

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allowing them full participation. But this return for free movement

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with some tweaks. Our science and research and university sector

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demands no less. Today the Prime Minister offered no more than

:32:33.:32:35.

aspiration, no plan at all for the sector. Two years of uncertainty

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will do huge damage. Just how much damage is this Government prepared

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to countenance to one of our key sectors? Well, as nonsense questions

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go, that pretty much takes the biscuit. We've made it very plain

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indeed, very plain indeed what we intend here. We are a dominant

:32:55.:33:01.

scientific power in European Union, we have worked night and day to

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ensure we guarantee the position of students. We will continue to do

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that. If he just plays it down, he'll do harm to the very sector

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he's supposedly trying to protect. Given almost everything that's been

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said by the Prime Minister, and by the Brexit secretary today, is

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incompatible with the Scottish Government, Scotland in Europe

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compromise document, how does the UK Government plan to honour the

:33:30.:33:33.

promise to take seriously those proposals, unless the Government now

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plans to explore all options to support continuing Scottish

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membership of the single market? As I answered earlier, we've got

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that paper to appear before us in a few days' time. There is more than

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just one component to it, of course. He talks as if it's only about the

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so-called opt-out, they call it. But there's also questions in it about

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devolution and about the treatment of employment. There's a question

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about immigration. All of which we'll discuss at that time and we'll

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treat it seriously, as we always have.

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At the weekend it was reported that Michelle Barney, the EU negotiator

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was prepared to contemplate a special deal for the city and the UK

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Government have indicated they might look at special sector of deals for

:34:29.:34:33.

the city and Nissan. Does the Secretary of State accept that there

:34:34.:34:37.

is scope for the differentiated deal which the Scottish Government seeks

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if he and his Prime Minister have the political will to support it?

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Very unusually for the honourable lady she's not quite got Michelle

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Barnier's statement right. What he is reported as saying I think he

:34:54.:34:58.

subsequently denied it, is that he saw there were risks to the

:34:59.:35:01.

financial stability of the European Union if they did not maintain open

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access for the City of London. But she's also wrong in saying that we

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have talked about special deals, for any sector, we haven't. The aim of

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the British Government is to ensure that the whole economy succeeds as a

:35:18.:35:20.

result of this policy, not just one part of it and that includes

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Scotland too. The Secretary of State says that no

:35:30.:35:32.

deal is better than a bad deal. But what he is not being clear about is

:35:33.:35:38.

that no deal is a bad deal. Given the Chancellor told the Treasury

:35:39.:35:42.

committee that the Prime Minister should enter the negotiations with

:35:43.:35:46.

the widest possible range of options available, why is the Government

:35:47.:35:49.

today chosen to rule out the best possible deal with the European

:35:50.:35:53.

Union, which is membership of the single market, membership of the

:35:54.:35:56.

customs union and as a result free flowing goods and trade with the

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largest single market in the world on our own doorstep and access for

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British businesses to half a billion customers?

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Well, I don't know where the honourable gentleman was on 23 June

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but the British people pretty much rejected that.

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Brexit is a bigger factor in the political discolouration in Northern

:36:22.:36:26.

Ireland at the minute, partly because the Good Friday Agreement

:36:27.:36:30.

had common membership of the EU absolutely Jermaine to it and its

:36:31.:36:33.

institutions. The Secretary of State would need to recognise that any

:36:34.:36:38.

negotiations which follow these elections are going to follow

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returning to and renewing fundamentals of the Good Friday

:36:42.:36:44.

Agreement, that means people are going to be looking in respect of

:36:45.:36:47.

Strand 2 about ensuring that the island of Ireland can work and be

:36:48.:36:51.

worked as part of the European economic area into the future. The

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question of when rights, when powers over rights are transferred or

:36:56.:37:01.

devolved after the great repale bill will be a political area because

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nobody in Northern Ireland is going to trust this House with diluting

:37:06.:37:09.

rights before powers are then devolved where any attempt to prove

:37:10.:37:13.

them with be vet I doed by the DUP as we have seen in the past. It

:37:14.:37:20.

would be like asking Attila the Hun to mind your horse. Not sure I get

:37:21.:37:24.

the reference. That's one of the reasons I wrote to the Northern

:37:25.:37:28.

Ireland executive to make sure that we had representation in a joint

:37:29.:37:31.

Ministerial committee during the course of this election process. I

:37:32.:37:35.

don't foresee removal of any rights. As I said to a member in the Labour

:37:36.:37:43.

Party earlier, my expectation is that this is one area where we

:37:44.:37:46.

expect a great deal of co-operation from the European Commission to get

:37:47.:37:49.

an outcome which is beneficial for everybody.

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Can the Secretary of State tell the House why the other 27 members of

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the European Union should give the UK the Ben fits of single market

:38:02.:38:06.

membership without the costs with a bespoke deal that gives barrier free

:38:07.:38:10.

and tariff free access to the single market when it sets a precedent and

:38:11.:38:14.

an incentive for other EU states to leave the European Union, how is

:38:15.:38:19.

that good for them? At the risk of repeating myself, to

:38:20.:38:24.

pick one industry, one country, German car industry sells 800,000

:38:25.:38:27.

cars a year to the United Kingdom. I think it has every interest in

:38:28.:38:36.

keeping that market open. The Prime Minister in her speech

:38:37.:38:40.

this morning ended on a very gracious note. She said that the

:38:41.:38:47.

victors in the Brexit debate in the UK should be magnanimous towards

:38:48.:38:53.

those who lost. I put it to the Minister that magnanimous accepting

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Scotland wants to stay in the single market and that discussions from now

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on should at least leave the door open to that ask from Scotland.

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As I said earlier that's - I said this to Mike Russell, that I have

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not commented publicly on the report, even though I have read it

:39:10.:39:13.

in detail, because I want to have an open discussion about it later. But

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it does not mean that we are going to agree on everything but we are

:39:17.:39:23.

going to treat it with respect. The EU is in the process of concluding

:39:24.:39:28.

international trade deals with, for example, Japan and Canada, which the

:39:29.:39:32.

UK Government has warmly supported believing they'll be good for the UK

:39:33.:39:35.

economy, for example in the case of the Japanese deal I understand that

:39:36.:39:38.

the UK Government estimate that is it could be worth 5 billion annually

:39:39.:39:43.

to the British economy. How quickly can those deals be replaced when we

:39:44.:39:47.

leave the European Union and what modelling has the Government done of

:39:48.:39:51.

the potential cost to our economy if they can't quickly be replaced with

:39:52.:39:55.

new deals? Little point modelling what's not

:39:56.:39:58.

going to happen. The expectation is for many of the deals, the most

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important ones for us, we will get, as it were, an immediate transfer

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and then we will start talking about improving the deals between us. Not

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all the European trade deals have actually been that beneficial for

:40:11.:40:13.

Britain and some of these we could certainly improve.

:40:14.:40:23.

I know the Secretary of State's assertion to control our own laws

:40:24.:40:27.

and end the authority of the European Court of justice in the

:40:28.:40:30.

United Kingdom, and I want to put on record I support that proposal. When

:40:31.:40:34.

that takes place what will be the authority or standing of any

:40:35.:40:38.

decision relative to the United Kingdom that has already been taken

:40:39.:40:41.

by the European Court for the United Kingdom?

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If he is talking about the standing of case law, which I assume is what

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he means really, that will be frozen at the point that we leave then it's

:40:53.:40:56.

up to us in this House whether we change that.

:40:57.:41:05.

Free trade in goods is much easier to achieve than the free flow of

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services where non-tariff problems - barriers are the problem. How will

:41:11.:41:14.

the Government seek to ensure the continued success over time of the

:41:15.:41:18.

UK financial service exports to Europe when we will no longer get a

:41:19.:41:26.

say in the regulatory harp Monday ieation that's facilitated that

:41:27.:41:31.

success so far. City UK which an trr in the area he is talking about,

:41:32.:41:38.

talking about mutual recognition and an ex-terrible, rather than

:41:39.:41:42.

passporting. We haven't arrived at a conclusion on that yet. He is quite

:41:43.:41:45.

right, the goods side of it will be easier than that part lay because

:41:46.:41:49.

the single market is incomplete any way in services but that

:41:50.:41:52.

notwithstanding we have been successful in this area and he may

:41:53.:41:56.

take it as read that we will continue to facilitate that success.

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The Secretary of State will know that my constituency was the largest

:42:04.:42:08.

vote Leave constituency in Northern Ireland, one of the largest vote

:42:09.:42:12.

Leave constituencies in the United Kingdom. Can he confirm that it will

:42:13.:42:20.

not fall for some flawed, special status, half-in, half-out

:42:21.:42:22.

arrangement that's currently being sought by some people, that it will

:42:23.:42:26.

give my constituents absolute clarity and certainty that the

:42:27.:42:30.

Brexit deal will apply to all of Northern Ireland in this same way as

:42:31.:42:32.

apply to the people in his constituency?

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Yes, it will apply across the whole of the United Kingdom, as I said I

:42:38.:42:43.

am trying not to predate other discussions. I will say this is that

:42:44.:42:49.

in what we are doing in this negotiation, the interests of

:42:50.:42:51.

Northern Ireland, particularly the interests of his constituency, will

:42:52.:42:59.

be at the forefront of our thoughts. Three-quarters of my fellow citizens

:43:00.:43:02.

in the great City of Edinburgh voted not to turn their back on the

:43:03.:43:05.

European Union. Therefore, you will forgive me if I wholeheartedly do

:43:06.:43:10.

not welcome today's statements. However, I do welcome the Secretary

:43:11.:43:14.

of State's now repeated suggestion that he will take seriously the

:43:15.:43:16.

proposals of the Scottish Government. Let me press him on this

:43:17.:43:23.

matter. Some in his party have said that there can be no differentential

:43:24.:43:28.

arrangements in the nations post-Brexit on principle, even when

:43:29.:43:31.

it can be demonstrated they nr the benefit of the UK as a whole. Does

:43:32.:43:35.

he share that view or will he consider proposals on their merits?

:43:36.:43:40.

What I said already is that we will respect the view of the Scottish

:43:41.:43:44.

Government on this but what I have also said it doesn't mean we agree

:43:45.:43:48.

with all parts of it. Let me give one practical issue, which I have to

:43:49.:43:56.

deal with, if nobody else, and that is that the leading Norwegian

:43:57.:44:02.

members of FEDA have said that aspect he refers to will not work

:44:03.:44:06.

for them and the Spanish Minister said it would not work for them

:44:07.:44:10.

either, so we have hurdles to get over before that -- before that

:44:11.:44:19.

becomes a runner. The new Brit tappic isolation that

:44:20.:44:22.

the Government now seeks cannot be at the expense of EU nationals in

:44:23.:44:26.

this country or UK nationals in Europe. The Secretary of State has

:44:27.:44:30.

said he has tried to resolve this issue, they wanted to do so sometime

:44:31.:44:33.

ago, so can he tell us exactly what the problem s what's the barrier in

:44:34.:44:37.

his way from resolving that and how do we best get it lifted?

:44:38.:44:42.

It requires all the members of the European Union togethers to agree.

:44:43.:44:50.

The Prime Minister's fixation with leaving the jurisdiction of the

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European Court of justice clearly risks jeopardising the extent of our

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ongoing co-operation in EU justice in home affairs issue, which she

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says also she values. If those ambitions Clwyd surely the Secretary

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of State would agree that the issue of security must trump the issue of

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leaving the European courts jurisdiction. We have security

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arrangements with other allies which do not run into that problem.

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America, for a start. So I wouldn't think that's an issue.

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No deal is better than a bad deal. I am perplexed by this. How could a

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negotiated deal possibly be worse than something that the Secretary of

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State refers to as a cliff-edge? Is he really that bad at negotiation?

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The honourable gentleman over there referred to a deal in which we had

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to take all sorts of penalties from all sorts of European nations, that

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would be a bad deal. Of all the laws and regulation that

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is will be democratically repatriated to this parliament by

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the great Repeal bill, which is the first one that the Secretary of

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State himself would like to see reformed or repealed and when the

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bill goes through can he guarantee that the rights of this particlement

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to scrutinise legislation will be maintained and the bill will not be

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the great power grab? The first one to repeal, I don't

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have a favourite there. I will tell him the last one, and the last one

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is the protection of the employment rights of UK citizens both in

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Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom, because I made the promise

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from the first day in this job that that's one thing we are not going to

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change. I am most grateful to the Secretary

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of State for the experience of the last one hour and 46 minutes in

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which we could - and my understanding is that no fewer than

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84 back bench members had the opportunity to question the right

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honourable gentleman so I hope that there has been a decent exploration

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of the issues. I congratulate the right honourable gentleman on the

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strength of his knee muscles. Point of order. Thank you. MrSpeaker, last

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week during questions I asked the Minister for disabled people health

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and work how people with mental health issues could continue to

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receive appropriate support if the Glasgow Jobcentres were closed. The

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Minister responded by saying and I quote, my honourable friend the

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Minister for welfare reform has met Scottish ministers to discuss the

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issue. Firstly, there is currently no Minister for welfare reform and

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secondly, I have been informed by Scottish Ministerial colleagues no

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such meetings have taken place. Would it be in order for the

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Minister to come back to the chamber to clarify the situation? I was

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about to respond but I see that the Minister on the Treasury bench is

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very anxious to catch my eye and I don't want to disappoint her.

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Minister. Thank you. Further to that point of order, in my answer I said

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my honourable friend the Minister for employment has met with all the

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MPs concerned about those locations across Glasgow and my honourable

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friend the Minister for welfare reform has met Scottish ministers to

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discuss this issue, referring to the honourable member for Romsey. I

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should have said the Minister for welfare delivery. The Minister for

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welfare reform is in the House of Lords. For that, I profusely

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apologise. On these matters and others, not least devolution of

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welfare, our doors are always open to meet with Scottish ministers and

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good outcomes are contingent on good dialogue. I would not want this

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point of order to give an otherwise contrary impression.

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I think that's a very gracious acknowledgement of the situation by

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the Minister and I feel the nod of the head confirms she's content with

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that outcome. So I thank the Minister on the Treasury bench and

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we will leave it there. If there are no further points of

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order I think we come to the ten-minute rule motion for which the

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honourable gentleman has been so patiently waiting.

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I beg to move for leave to be give than I bring in a bill for people to

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give his or her instructions for burial matters legally binding on

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their personal representative or beneficiary to enable a person to

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make provision about the use of a burr ideal space he or she acquired

:49:48.:49:52.

while living after a person's burial and for connected purposes. It's

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been a surprising two months for me in Parliament. I've been talking a

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lot about death. We don't talk a lot about it inside or outside

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Parliament given we all die though it should be more of a surprise that

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we do not talk more about death. Apart from times when we are near to

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death or personally affected by it, or when some of us plan for it in a

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will, death is not usually on the agenda. There is an opportunity in

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the week of the 8th May, death awareness week, to talk more about

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death and I commend that to the honourable members.

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Let's hope, Mr Speaker, that week will not coincide with the final

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moments of our believed Arsenal's champions ambitions. Last month, I

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steered through a private Bill which the minister who is present will

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recall which gives our local new Southgate cemetery the power to use

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old graves which will need to be replicated in the UK to make more

:50:50.:50:55.

spaces available. There is a distressing case of one of my

:50:56.:50:58.

constituents watching in the gallery. After Marion's father died

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in 2009, her mother gave money to her sister to buy him a plot on her

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behalf. Unbeknown to the mother, her daughter registered the grave in her

:51:08.:51:11.

name and gained exclusive rights to decide who is buried and what

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monument is placed on the grave. When Marion's mother died in 2014,

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she assumed ownership of her late husband's grave and Marion also

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appointed next of kin. Her dying wish was to have her ashes scattered

:51:24.:51:29.

on her late husband's grave. It was only when Marion contacted the

:51:30.:51:32.

cemetery to make the necessary arrangements that it came to light

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that her sister, now estranged from the rest of the family, was the

:51:36.:51:39.

grave owner. She's refused to allow her mother's ashes to be scattered

:51:40.:51:45.

on her father's grave. Or even allow a stone to be erected. Marion's

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asked me, along with her family, to change the law so that wishes of

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mothers and fathers can be honoured and not thwarted. The most high

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profile case stemmed from the remains of Richard III. Descendants

:52:05.:52:10.

of the King pitted against the less notorious the then Lord Chancellor

:52:11.:52:12.

my right honourable friend the member for Epsom and York. They

:52:13.:52:18.

attempted to have their ancestor laid to rest in York Minster to have

:52:19.:52:25.

plans to have him buried there some 115 years ago. His body remained in

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Leicester, in spite of his wishes. When relatives are unable to fulfil

:52:50.:52:54.

the wishes of a departed loved one. A nan died leaving four daughters

:52:55.:52:58.

behind, a decision was made to put the deeds of the grave in the name

:52:59.:53:02.

of the youngest daughter. She became unwell and uncontactable. When the

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late nan's sister died and wished to be interned in the family grave,

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there were problems. It took six years to sort out and eventually get

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an updated headstone on the grave. Grave owners shouldn't be able to

:53:16.:53:19.

block out other family members from their family grave. I read on

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various forums of family disputes arriving from remarriage where say

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the father dies and step mother arranges the funeral, pays for the

:53:28.:53:30.

grave and registers ownership in her name. She gains exclusive rights to

:53:31.:53:36.

erect a memorial and pass on future use of the grave to her family at

:53:37.:53:39.

the exclusion of the late husband's family. Or there is the example of

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the grave plot being put in the name of the older son on the insistence

:53:45.:53:48.

of the directors. The aggrieved young sister is now concerned that

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if her mother dies is and is buried to a family plot, she the sister

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says, I don't know where I'll be buried, I don't have any other

:54:05.:54:13.

family. There is an issue raised to me in

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Sussex where there's refusal to allow internment of ashes to a grave

:54:21.:54:25.

because a relative moved out of the parish to retirement and lived 0.3

:54:26.:54:29.

miles from the boundary despite being resident in the former village

:54:30.:54:33.

for some 50 years. Finally there is the connected issue

:54:34.:54:40.

of funeral arrangements. They're cases when the deceased, such as for

:54:41.:54:45.

a religious funeral, may be at odds with the arrangements of the

:54:46.:54:47.

surviving family. All the cases, as has been mentioned in the House now

:54:48.:54:51.

on many occasions when funerals cost too much and lead to funeral

:54:52.:54:57.

property so were highlighted by the experience and campaigning of the

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honourable member for Swansea East. Madam Deputy Speaker, arrangements

:55:03.:55:07.

for burials and funerals have become bureaucratic and expensive and in

:55:08.:55:10.

some cases contrary to the wishes of the person who's died. We can and

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must do Bert. We cannot say we have been warned in this House. Since

:55:15.:55:20.

2004, the then Home Secretary Deb said, our burial law is out-of-date

:55:21.:55:24.

and needs reform -- we can do better.

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There was a conclusion in 2007, there was public support for reform

:55:28.:55:32.

but it's not a priority. My burial rights reform Bill today

:55:33.:55:35.

provides an opportunity to give collar the I to relatives who're

:55:36.:55:40.

confused and aggrieved by the opaque laws in relation to funeral and

:55:41.:55:45.

burial arrangements. The law is clear to the extent that dead bodies

:55:46.:55:49.

have no rights. In common law there is no property in body. The

:55:50.:55:58.

overriding legal maximum is that the only lawful possession of a corpse

:55:59.:56:02.

is the earth. Perhaps more surprising, there are no laws

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governing funerals but only the disposal of bodies, even a will

:56:07.:56:11.

setting out our funeral wishes is not legally binding because wills

:56:12.:56:14.

are about property and not about a dead body. Recent court cases have

:56:15.:56:19.

tried to apply the Human Rights Act to apply rights on a dead body but

:56:20.:56:22.

the law is unclear. To follow a theme that we have heard about

:56:23.:56:28.

today, it's about time Parliament takes control on burial issue rights

:56:29.:56:36.

or the wishes of a person who's died and their wishes.

:56:37.:56:43.

Normally these actions take place without concern and is normally done

:56:44.:56:47.

by the next of kin of the deceased. The problem is this exclusive right

:56:48.:56:50.

of burial is determined by whoever buys the lease for the grave plot.

:56:51.:56:53.

If your name is not on the deed, you've got no right to be buried

:56:54.:56:58.

there or have a memorial or enscription put on that grave. My

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Bill will ensure that the wishes of the person are properly carried out

:57:04.:57:07.

by surviving relatives and that the ownership of graves shouldn't mean

:57:08.:57:11.

exclusive rights for one family member to use against another. The

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only answer when there is a family dispute about grave ownership

:57:16.:57:19.

currently is to consult a solicitor and conduct expensive litigation.

:57:20.:57:24.

The issue of respecting the wishes of the deceased commands a less

:57:25.:57:30.

contentious approach. There should be a requirement for parties to take

:57:31.:57:33.

greater responsibility for their consideration for the deceased

:57:34.:57:36.

wishes for burial arrangements and to give greater significance to any

:57:37.:57:42.

existing will or public register. A proposed Bill is a public burial

:57:43.:57:46.

register similar to the organs donation register allowing wishes to

:57:47.:57:49.

be clearly identified without necessarily having a will and

:57:50.:57:55.

avoiding subsequent family disputes. A clearly expressed binding electric

:57:56.:57:59.

laration of our final wishes will seek to remove the pressures of

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burial issues at such a testing time -- binding declaration. Perhaps

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there can be no better way to honour the dead than to give life to the

:58:15.:58:21.

their final wishes. THE SPEAKER: The question is that

:58:22.:58:25.

the honourable member have leave to bring in his Bill. Chris Bryant.

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Madam Deputy Speaker. I pay tribute to the honourable member for

:58:32.:58:34.

advancing this cause today but I can't agree with him and I'll

:58:35.:58:38.

explain why. I've probably conducted more funerals than anybody else in

:58:39.:58:43.

this chamber when I was a curate in All Saints High Wycombe. The first

:58:44.:58:46.

funeral I did, the undertaker put his glasses in his top pocket, as he

:58:47.:58:51.

lent over to let the coffin down into the grave, and the glasses fell

:58:52.:58:54.

on top of the coffin and he then had to clamber in on top. The second

:58:55.:59:00.

funeral I conducted was at the crematorium and unfortunately the

:59:01.:59:02.

organist at the end of the service played, smoke gets in your eyes,

:59:03.:59:08.

which was everybody else realised was somewhat inappropriate. The last

:59:09.:59:14.

funeral I conducted, the family was very, very divided and the

:59:15.:59:19.

ex-husband was not instraighted to the funeral but suddenly appeared in

:59:20.:59:22.

the middle of the service and started shouting and screaming at me

:59:23.:59:25.

and the family all shouted "how on earth did you get here, we locked

:59:26.:59:30.

you in the bathroom" and he said "you didn't lock the bathroom window

:59:31.:59:34.

so I climbed out and climbed down the ivy".

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So I've seen a lot of funerals and I know the pain and difficulty of

:59:39.:59:43.

which the honourable member speaks. But my beef is not particularly with

:59:44.:59:48.

the remedy that he's seeking, though I think to be honest burial reform

:59:49.:59:53.

and funeral reform in general needs to be conducted on the basis of a

:59:54.:59:58.

Law Commission proposal so that it binds the whole of the legal

:59:59.:00:05.

profession and takes it out of party political discussion, du it's more

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to do with the fact that, as he started, of course, as we start with

:00:08.:00:12.

every ten-minute rule Bill, he begs leave to introduce his Bill and I

:00:13.:00:15.

don't think we should give him leave to introduce his Bill. I say so for

:00:16.:00:20.

a very simple point which is that we have only five more Fridays when

:00:21.:00:24.

we'll be sitting this session before the end of this session when any

:00:25.:00:27.

Bill will have to become law. It will have to have gone through all

:00:28.:00:31.

three stages in this House and in the House of Lords, or will simply

:00:32.:00:38.

fall. There are 73 Bills private members Bills all ready seeking

:00:39.:00:43.

second reading on the order paper of future order papers to be considered

:00:44.:00:48.

on the five days. Plus, there are bills that have been given second

:00:49.:00:51.

reading, quite a lot of them in fact, one of them is in committee,

:00:52.:00:55.

that's the homelessness bill honoured by the member for harrow

:00:56.:01:00.

East and will be coming out of the committee tomorrow. Then in the

:01:01.:01:08.

normal process, it should be the awards of Valuev ourself Private

:01:09.:01:13.

Members Bill honoured by the member for Dartford that goes into

:01:14.:01:16.

committee followed one would have thought by the one for my right

:01:17.:01:19.

honourable friend for North West Durham which is the Parliamentary

:01:20.:01:23.

constituency's amendment bill. But so far, the Government has not yet

:01:24.:01:27.

brought forward a money resolution and is not saying whether it's going

:01:28.:01:31.

to let that happen at all. In addition to that, the Government

:01:32.:01:35.

only this week has said it's turned its back on the reforms to the

:01:36.:01:39.

Private Members Bills process that the procedure committee have called

:01:40.:01:44.

for in successive years and successive Members of Parliament. So

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even if every single element of what the honourable member is proposing

:01:49.:01:50.

were right, the truth of the matter is, it's an act of deception for the

:01:51.:01:57.

House to send it into its next process, to allow him to present its

:01:58.:02:01.

Bill because the truth of the matter is, it has absolutely no chance of

:02:02.:02:06.

getting anywhere. So I make the speech, madam deputy spiker, for the

:02:07.:02:10.

simple reason that I think we could use our Friday mornings better. We

:02:11.:02:14.

should not have a system of private members Bills which mines that we

:02:15.:02:18.

completely and utterly waste our time and deceive the public about

:02:19.:02:21.

the true process of what is happening in this House.

:02:22.:02:26.

Consequently I say, I disagree with the honourable gentleman, though I

:02:27.:02:30.

applaud his motives. THE SPEAKER: Hm! The question is

:02:31.:02:34.

that the honourable member have leave to bring in the Bill while the

:02:35.:02:39.

House has a big decision to make. As many are of that opinion say aye. As

:02:40.:02:48.

many of the contrary say no. I think the ayes have it. The ayes have it.

:02:49.:02:55.

Who will prepare and bring in the Bill?

:02:56.:03:05.

(Reads out the list of those who'll bring in the Bill)

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THE SPEAKER: Burial Rights Reform Bill. Second reading what day? 24th

:03:36.:03:50.

March. 24th March. 24th March. Order. We now come to the opposition

:03:51.:04:00.

day. Motion in the name of the leader of the Scottish National

:04:01.:04:05.

Party on the effect of the UK leaving the EU, on the rural

:04:06.:04:13.

economy. The amendment in the name of the Prime Minister.

:04:14.:04:22.

Thank you very much. I beg to move that this House is concerned at the

:04:23.:04:32.

impact on the rural economy of the United Kingdom leaving the European

:04:33.:04:37.

Union. We want to use this debate today to consider the significant

:04:38.:04:43.

and tangible benefits the EU membership has afforded the Scottish

:04:44.:04:47.

rural community through funding, trade and freedom of movement. These

:04:48.:04:52.

benefits must be acknowledged and the Government must offer a clear

:04:53.:04:56.

statement prior to triggering Article 50 on how they intend to

:04:57.:05:01.

mitigate the impact of leaving the EU when it comes to rural areas.

:05:02.:05:07.

They must do so now because the combined threat of the loss of

:05:08.:05:12.

direct funding, end to tariff free trading and the abolition of free

:05:13.:05:18.

movement of people could have devastating consequences for rural

:05:19.:05:21.

communities across Scotland and indeed the rest of the UK. The Prime

:05:22.:05:29.

Minister puts forward 12 points today but people in my constituency

:05:30.:05:35.

are not reassured because it lacks detail and certainty. We are told

:05:36.:05:43.

that Brexit is about a more global Britain and that this process will

:05:44.:05:47.

represent a clean break. Well let me be absolutely clear in stating how

:05:48.:05:51.

far removed from reality that rhetoric is. Under the Government's

:05:52.:05:57.

current direction of travel Brexit will not be a clear break for the

:05:58.:06:02.

sheep farmers in my constituency whose produce could face prohibitive

:06:03.:06:06.

tariffs and whose direct support payments could be wiped out. It will

:06:07.:06:11.

not and clean break for the fish processors in Shetland where more

:06:12.:06:15.

fish was landed than in the entirety of England and Wales in 2015 but

:06:16.:06:20.

whose access to the largest seafood market in the world is now under

:06:21.:06:24.

question. Nor will there be a clean break for the soft fruit farmer in

:06:25.:06:29.

Angus when the plug is pulled on seasonal labour, his business needs

:06:30.:06:34.

to function. It will not be a clean break for the most remote highland

:06:35.:06:38.

communities that are now contemplating the loss of hundreds

:06:39.:06:43.

of millions of pounds in European regional development funding. We

:06:44.:06:47.

find ourselves facing a combination once again of Tory indifference to

:06:48.:06:55.

the needs of the Scottish economy and a dramatic democratic deficit. I

:06:56.:07:00.

will give way. I am very grateful to the honourable gentleman for giving

:07:01.:07:03.

way and he and his party are optimistic people and rays of

:07:04.:07:06.

sunshine in this House, I wonder if he can't see any possible benefit to

:07:07.:07:11.

the Scottish rural economy, particularly fisheries, the European

:07:12.:07:14.

policy on which decimated the Scottish fishing industry. I thank

:07:15.:07:21.

the honourable member. You will find that we are optimists at heart. But

:07:22.:07:28.

what this debate is about is the reality, it's about the implications

:07:29.:07:32.

for the rural economy and I will with great delight return to the

:07:33.:07:36.

matter of fishing. I would like to make more progress and I promise I

:07:37.:07:41.

will give way in a little bit more time. Nowhere - I apologise. As with

:07:42.:07:50.

many complex challenges of Brexit pile-up, we knead to remember that

:07:51.:07:57.

real political leadership is about finding solutions, not soundbites.

:07:58.:08:01.

Our debate is necessary - one moment. Our debate is necessary to

:08:02.:08:08.

ensure that the Government does not overlook or downplay all the

:08:09.:08:11.

possible outcomes of Brexit, they must not walk away from the policy

:08:12.:08:15.

vacuum that is opening up before our eyes. I will give way. I am

:08:16.:08:22.

grateful. If we devolve more agricultural policy powers to the

:08:23.:08:26.

Scottish nationalists, they cannot think of a single way on which they

:08:27.:08:32.

could improve policy to help their farmers. The right honourable

:08:33.:08:37.

gentleman usually makes excellent contributions, I am afraid that was

:08:38.:08:44.

a poor one, because actually there are many ways in which we will be

:08:45.:08:48.

delighted to improve agricultural policy, so long as his Government

:08:49.:08:52.

don't do a power grab as powers return from Brussels. I would be

:08:53.:08:56.

delighted. I will happenive give way. Would my honourable friend also

:08:57.:09:03.

agree that 70% of farmers' incomes comes through CAP which is not

:09:04.:09:07.

subject to Barnet, but if it comes back to the UK it may be subject to

:09:08.:09:12.

Barnet which would leave to a significant reduction in funds

:09:13.:09:16.

available to roar Scotland? I thank my honourable friend for that

:09:17.:09:19.

excellent contribution. It brings me on to one of the first areas I want

:09:20.:09:24.

to look at, nowhere is the policy vacuum more apparent than on the

:09:25.:09:29.

issue of farm payments. Whatever the flaws, and there are flaws - I will

:09:30.:09:34.

give way. Could I thank my honourable friend for giving way and

:09:35.:09:39.

congratulate him on making some very compelling points. In the Northern

:09:40.:09:45.

Ireland context, we have a similar situation where 80% of farm incomes

:09:46.:09:51.

are dependent on European resources. There is a fear and would he agree

:09:52.:09:58.

with me that sort of funding is not likely to come from the Treasury,

:09:59.:10:03.

thus undermining our local rural economy and our agricultural

:10:04.:10:07.

enterprises? I thank the honourable lady for that contribution. I

:10:08.:10:10.

wholeheartedly agree and it's something I would like us to focus

:10:11.:10:14.

on in this debate, the importance of these support payments to the

:10:15.:10:19.

prosperity, not just of fafrming but of the whole rural community. We

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have two debates squeezed in time today. So, as I say, nowhere is the

:10:24.:10:31.

policy vacuum more apparent, because wherever its flaws, money invested

:10:32.:10:35.

in Scotland and throughout the UK and rural communities through the

:10:36.:10:39.

common agricultural policy are absolutely vital in underpinning the

:10:40.:10:43.

rural economy. As my honourable friend mentioned farm payments

:10:44.:10:50.

account for two-thirds of total net farm income in Scotland. And as has

:10:51.:10:55.

mentioned, we have 8. 4% of the population, but 32. 5% of the land

:10:56.:11:06.

mass and Scotland received 16. 5% of UKCAP funds. I will give way. I

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thank the honourable gentleman. Many farmers in Scotland like Lancashire

:11:14.:11:17.

will be involved in upland sheep farming which I am sure all sides of

:11:18.:11:20.

the House would acknowledge is often a difficult business for farmers.

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Does he not think if we leave the European Union this is an

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opportunity for the Government to refocus support on those most

:11:30.:11:32.

marginal of farms he is talking about, specifically the uphill farms

:11:33.:11:37.

in Lancashire and Scotland, because farmers in Lancashire are hoping for

:11:38.:11:42.

more from Brexit just as farmers in Scotland will be hoping for more. I

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thank him for that intervention. Sheep farm something one of our most

:11:48.:11:52.

fragile industries and I have deep concerns about the support going

:11:53.:11:55.

forward. What we must do and the point I want to make here is about

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the level of funding because we need the Government to step up and I

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would like to also come back to lamb when we look at trade because it is

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one of the most threatened trade areas. I will give way. I thank my

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honourable friend. He is being most generous in giving way. Addressing

:12:17.:12:20.

the point he made earlier in the lack of detail in the Prime

:12:21.:12:25.

Minister's statement would my honourable friend agree that the

:12:26.:12:33.

Government should have taken the report as summarised in a letter

:12:34.:12:38.

which I have here to the Secretary of State for environment, by the

:12:39.:12:42.

British ecological society, the chartered institute of ecology and

:12:43.:12:46.

environment, the institution of environmental science, these are the

:12:47.:12:49.

people we should be listening to and these are details the Government

:12:50.:12:52.

should be including in their letters. I thank my honourable

:12:53.:12:58.

friend for his intervention and it's a point well made. Agriculture is

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already devolved area, so as powers are repatriated from Brussels it's

:13:06.:13:09.

essential that they go directly to the Scottish Government. Any power

:13:10.:13:14.

grab from a Westminster Government would be totally unacceptable. We

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absolutely understand the need for levels of commonality but that is

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not a justification for a power grab by Westminster. We need a commitment

:13:23.:13:28.

from this Government that the existing allocation of funds will

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not be tampered with once the convergence is added to the 16. 5%,

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that is the starting point in terms of funds that should be delivered to

:13:37.:13:43.

Scotland. Now throughout last year's referendum campaign both the

:13:44.:13:46.

Secretary of State and the farming Minister who I understand is in

:13:47.:13:52.

Scotland argued for Brexit and it's now incumbent upon them to take

:13:53.:13:57.

responsibility for the commitments made during that campaign. In March

:13:58.:14:01.

last year, the farming Minister said, and I wrote, the UK Government

:14:02.:14:08.

will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support or

:14:09.:14:14.

perhaps even more as they - yet this commitment appears already to have

:14:15.:14:17.

been abandoned. Earlier this month the Secretary of State, the farming

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Minister and I were at the Oxford conference and both the Secretary of

:14:23.:14:27.

State and the farming Minister refused to confirm that funding

:14:28.:14:33.

would at least match levels current levels beyond 2020. Now will the

:14:34.:14:37.

Secretary of State take this opportunity today to make a clear

:14:38.:14:41.

commitment that Brexit as the farming Minister promised, will not

:14:42.:14:46.

result in a reduction in the level of funding available for farmers or

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is this another Brexit broken promise? Now we acknowledge that CAP

:14:51.:14:56.

is far from perfect and we recognise that there is now an opportunity to

:14:57.:15:02.

design a new and better system. We also accept that there must be a

:15:03.:15:08.

route to sustainable farming without direct income support but this must

:15:09.:15:13.

be an evolution that takes great care over the fragility of the rural

:15:14.:15:18.

economy. CAP is about much more than just farming. In Scotland, EU

:15:19.:15:24.

funding has helped to support the rollout of superfast broadband,

:15:25.:15:28.

business development, housing investment and measures to address

:15:29.:15:34.

rural fuel poverty, in addition to improvements in infrastructure and

:15:35.:15:37.

transport through regional development funds. We need the

:15:38.:15:40.

Government to explain whether it will match this kind of programme,

:15:41.:15:47.

the funding and, if so, more detail the better, please, Secretary of

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State. Another area where the rural economy has benefitted massively

:15:53.:15:56.

from EU membership is freedom of movement. For significant portions

:15:57.:16:01.

of the Scottish rural economy access to seasonal workforce is a vital

:16:02.:16:07.

factor in keeping their operations sustainable. At any one time between

:16:08.:16:18.

five and 15,000 non-UKEU workers are employed in Scottish agriculture

:16:19.:16:22.

alone. So we support continued freedom of movement because it's a

:16:23.:16:26.

system that works, not just for farming, and food production, but a

:16:27.:16:32.

range of sectors in rural Scotland, especially in these fragile and

:16:33.:16:39.

often ageing populations. I happily give way. I represent Angus which

:16:40.:16:46.

along with my honourable friends in Perthshire, has the most of the

:16:47.:16:50.

numbers of economic migrants into Scotland because they work in the

:16:51.:16:55.

horticultural industry. Many of these industries could not survive

:16:56.:17:01.

without that labour. Members talk about the unemployed taking the

:17:02.:17:04.

jobs, there are more migrant workers working in that industry alone than

:17:05.:17:09.

there are unemployed in our areas. Even if all those unemployed people

:17:10.:17:13.

could take up these jobs, so we do need these people and the Government

:17:14.:17:19.

need to take that into account. I notice the Secretary of State at the

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recent Oxford conference hinted there might be some relaxation of

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this and could she give more details when she comes to speak. I thank my

:17:29.:17:40.

honourable friend for -- it emphasises the point I was making.

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We must have powers over imI gos devolved in order to pursue our own

:17:48.:17:50.

distinct policy. Members opposite may laugh. Can I respectfully

:17:51.:17:56.

suggest that they read Scotland's place in Europe, because this is

:17:57.:18:00.

what a plan for Brexit actually looks like. Now in the meantime,

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though, I know the Secretary of State understands the importance of

:18:07.:18:10.

seasonal workers in particular in the rural economy, so I would like

:18:11.:18:16.

to hear today what steps DEFRA is taking to ensure the rural economy

:18:17.:18:20.

doesn't grind to a halt because seasonal workers are already

:18:21.:18:25.

beginning to look elsewhere. Now one area where members opposite get very

:18:26.:18:29.

animated and excited of course because there is an opportunity, is

:18:30.:18:36.

fishing. We welcome the chance to move beyond the common fisheries

:18:37.:18:44.

policy but we will not forget, we on these benches will not forget the

:18:45.:18:49.

circumstances in which this was all... Ted Heath, a Conservative

:18:50.:18:58.

Prime Minister, sacrificed the expendable Scottish fishing industry

:18:59.:19:03.

to gain entry to the European Economic Community. They may not

:19:04.:19:07.

like that, but that's why we are in the position we are in. We won't

:19:08.:19:12.

take lectures from any members opposite. The legacy of that deal

:19:13.:19:18.

means today that over half of the fish in our waters are caught by

:19:19.:19:26.

foreign vessels. Brexit clearly will mean the re-establishment of our

:19:27.:19:32.

exclusive economic zones but the process here is key. I hope he

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enjoyed his visit to Scotland. Hopefully ofs learning about the

:19:40.:19:43.

importance of honouring the level of payments that is currently received

:19:44.:19:44.

in Scottish communities. Access to the EEZ should be

:19:45.:20:00.

negotiated on an annual basis and led by Scottish ministers. These

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negotiations must not form part of Brexit talks. Scottish fishermen

:20:06.:20:11.

want to hear a clear commitment from the Secretary of State to the

:20:12.:20:15.

Scottish fishing industry, indeed the UK fishing industry, that it

:20:16.:20:21.

will not just be another pawn in a Brexit negotiation. Finally I would

:20:22.:20:30.

like to turn to the issue of trade. In particular the important question

:20:31.:20:41.

of access to the single market. The numbers speak for themselves. Worth

:20:42.:20:53.

?724 million in 2015. I'll give way. Just on the issue of trade and

:20:54.:20:57.

figures, in circumstances where two thirds of Scottish exports go to the

:20:58.:21:05.

UK and only 15 go to other country, why is the SNP suggesting we stay in

:21:06.:21:16.

Europe but we come out of the UK? I don't understand why members of zit

:21:17.:21:20.

don't get this. It was as though if we were to go independent we'd be

:21:21.:21:24.

cut off and float off into the Atlantic. It's not what happens. Are

:21:25.:21:36.

you seeing the Ireland Brexit minister said it would be able to

:21:37.:21:40.

trade freely with the UK but Scotland wouldn't. We buy more from

:21:41.:21:49.

you than you buy from us. THE SPEAKER: I can't let the

:21:50.:21:53.

honourable gentleman away with it. I know what he meant but maybe he

:21:54.:21:57.

could just say it the right way just to keep me happy? Apologies, Madam

:21:58.:22:05.

Deputy Speaker, I get a bit excited. I'll always be passionate defending

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my constituency in rural Scotland against those that want to do it

:22:09.:22:14.

harm based on hard right Tory Brexit. Thank you to my right

:22:15.:22:20.

honourable friend for giving way, he's very generous. On the subject

:22:21.:22:23.

of trade, will my right honourable friend agree with me that the EU is

:22:24.:22:27.

Scotland's growth market area where we have seen an increase in exports

:22:28.:22:35.

of 20% since 2007 in relation to goods. I thank the honourable lady,

:22:36.:22:42.

she makes an excellent point. If you look at the numbers, in terms of

:22:43.:22:50.

different industries, for fishing, 68% of Scottish seafood exports that

:22:51.:22:55.

leave the UK go to EU countries. 80% of beef and lamb exports from

:22:56.:23:02.

Scotland are destined for the EU. Now, I'm with the EU as we hear the

:23:03.:23:05.

Government try to carve out a policy. These will be at risk of

:23:06.:23:11.

tariffs. I want to just look at the risk this poses. If we take one

:23:12.:23:18.

example, red meat. Quality meat Scotland has conducted analysis that

:23:19.:23:21.

shows if we were subject to the current tariffs that apply to non-EU

:23:22.:23:26.

countries, there would be an on average 50% increase in cost for

:23:27.:23:32.

importers to buy our products. At the Oxford farming conference, the

:23:33.:23:37.

Secretary of State spoke of fields of opportunity that in the press

:23:38.:23:41.

conference afterwards admitted that the UK exports would decline if they

:23:42.:23:49.

were erected. There is the prospect that exporters in Scotland and

:23:50.:23:53.

indeed the whole UK are facing. We call upon the Secretary of State to

:23:54.:23:59.

outline what products the department thinks should be prioritised in

:24:00.:24:03.

upcoming negotiations. At the end of the day, there is no

:24:04.:24:08.

easy way to withdraw from the world's largest trading block and

:24:09.:24:15.

the search for alternative markets and compromises too. Let me give you

:24:16.:24:23.

an example. The current standing of beef, it currently stands at 26.5%.

:24:24.:24:30.

South Africa's currently 40%. Does the Government really think that

:24:31.:24:34.

alternative markets, many with lower costs of production than our own,

:24:35.:24:39.

can compensate for restricted access to the EU? The recent success of

:24:40.:24:50.

Scotland's 14 billion - I was slightly taken by that figure - ?14

:24:51.:24:55.

billion food and drink sector shows that we are already an exporting

:24:56.:25:04.

global country. New tablings cannot mitigate the economic vandalism of

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cutting off access to a market of 500 million people on your doorstep.

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Madam Deputy Speaker, if all the tangible benefits of single market

:25:27.:25:32.

membership end up being frittered away in a pursuit of red, white and

:25:33.:25:37.

blue Brexit, global Brexit, the Scottish people who've shown that

:25:38.:25:43.

they want to build, not sever their links with Europe, will recognise a

:25:44.:25:50.

familiar pattern. They'll recall the sacrifice of the Scottish fisheries

:25:51.:25:54.

when we joined the EU, that the Thatcher Government decimated the

:25:55.:25:58.

industry in the '80s, and they'll conclude this Tory Government with

:25:59.:26:02.

no mandate for the damage it may cause will wreck Scotland's rural

:26:03.:26:10.

economy and ignore our overwhelming wish to the trade links with Europe.

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If this Government's already made a calculation that rural Scotland is

:26:15.:26:21.

expendable in order to engineer a clean break with Europe, they can

:26:22.:26:26.

never again turn to us, turn to the people of Scotland and claim the

:26:27.:26:32.

union is a partnership of equals. Will the Government take this

:26:33.:26:37.

opportunity to recognise the potentially devastating impact that

:26:38.:26:41.

a hard Brexit could have on the Scottish rural economy? Or will they

:26:42.:26:46.

be content to make a desert or rural Scotland in the name of Brexit?

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THE SPEAKER: The question is as on the order paper to move the

:26:56.:26:59.

amendment in the name of the Prime Minister, Secretary of State Andrea

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Leadsom. Thank you. It won't surprise the honourable gentleman to

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know that I don't quite see it the same way he does, so I beg to move

:27:08.:27:11.

the amendment in my name and those of my right honourable friends on

:27:12.:27:15.

the order paper. I would like to start by thanking the honourable

:27:16.:27:20.

member for giving us the opportunity to debate the rural economy, a vital

:27:21.:27:25.

part of our national economy. While members on all sides of the House

:27:26.:27:30.

will know how diverse the rural economy is, much of it is

:27:31.:27:34.

underpinned by our food, farming and fisheries sectors. These industries

:27:35.:27:39.

have shaped all four parts of the UK and continue to do so. They're

:27:40.:27:45.

central to our heritage, landscapes and economic well-being. They

:27:46.:27:50.

generate ?110 billion for the economy each year and they employ

:27:51.:27:54.

one in eight of us in all parts of the UK. So we should all be proud of

:27:55.:28:00.

the world class food and drink these industries produce and the role they

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play in our national life. The rural economy matters enormously. So

:28:08.:28:12.

whilst leaving the EU offers huge opportunities to the farming and

:28:13.:28:17.

fisheries sector, it's vital that we provide the industry with as much

:28:18.:28:21.

continuity and certainty as we can. That's why we've already provided

:28:22.:28:25.

reassurance to all farmers across the UK that they'll receive the same

:28:26.:28:31.

level of financial support under pillar 1 until 2020 and for Rural

:28:32.:28:37.

Development Programmes, agry environment schemes and the maritime

:28:38.:28:40.

and fisheries fund, we'll guarantee projects signed before the EU for

:28:41.:28:45.

their lifetime, even when this stretch is beyond our departure from

:28:46.:28:48.

the EU. The Government will also ensure the

:28:49.:28:52.

devolved administrations are funded to meet the commitments they've made

:28:53.:28:57.

under current EU budget allocations. Given that the administration of EU

:28:58.:29:02.

funding is devolved, it will be for those administrations to decide the

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criteria used to assess projects. I'll give way. I thank the

:29:10.:29:13.

honourable lady for giving way. I would like to believe the promises

:29:14.:29:18.

this Government is making but of course the Government's - if we go

:29:19.:29:24.

back to the convergence uplifting criteria - Scotland wouldth was

:29:25.:29:27.

supposed to be rewarded by the funds coming from the EU, yet we are only

:29:28.:29:32.

getting 16%. We were promised a review would take place in 2016, it

:29:33.:29:35.

hasn't happened. When will that happen and when will crofters and

:29:36.:29:39.

farmers get what is due to them? The real question about devolution of

:29:40.:29:42.

agriculture to the Scottish Government and Parliament is to make

:29:43.:29:44.

sure that we get the correct funding. It's not about up to 2020,

:29:45.:29:51.

it's about what happens after that. Well, I do recognise the honourable

:29:52.:29:54.

gentleman's point and it is something that I continue to look

:29:55.:29:57.

closely at in my department and I will keep him up-to-date with

:29:58.:30:01.

progress on it. But Madam Deputy Speaker, I believe that leaving the

:30:02.:30:05.

EU will give us the chance to develop policies for the rural

:30:06.:30:08.

economy that are bespoke to the needs of this country, rather than

:30:09.:30:13.

the different approaches and circumstances of 278 different

:30:14.:30:17.

member states. As Secretary of State for DEFRA, I've made very clear my

:30:18.:30:23.

two long-term ambitions. Firstly, to make a resounding success of our

:30:24.:30:28.

world leading food and farming and fisheries industry, producing more,

:30:29.:30:32.

selling more and exporting more of our Great British food. And

:30:33.:30:36.

secondly, to become the first generation to leave the environment

:30:37.:30:41.

in a better state than we found it. These ambitions look far beyond

:30:42.:30:45.

tomorrow. They're about long-lasting change and real reform. They form

:30:46.:30:50.

the bedrock of a balanced approach to policy and the success of one is

:30:51.:30:54.

integral to the success of the other. I thank manufacture for

:30:55.:31:03.

giving way. She'll be aware that one of the difficulties under the

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current legislation which the sector faces is honest food labelling -- I

:31:08.:31:13.

thank my right honourable friend for giving way. It may well have been

:31:14.:31:17.

grown or farmed a long way overseas. This is a real opportunity, leaving

:31:18.:31:21.

the European Union, one real opportunity here, to have honest

:31:22.:31:25.

food labelling so we know British food is genuinely farmed and grown

:31:26.:31:30.

and produced in this country. Well, I share my right honourable

:31:31.:31:35.

friend's concerns and I can tell him that it's something we have improved

:31:36.:31:41.

on greatly through voluntary and compulsory schemes through labelling

:31:42.:31:43.

and he's right, particularly as we leave the EU.

:31:44.:31:47.

So this brings me to the mechanics of our departure from the EU. The

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great Repeal Bill will transpose the body of EU legislation into UK law.

:31:54.:31:57.

As UK law, we'll then be annual basis able to change or amend it at

:31:58.:32:02.

our leisure and we'll soon be publishing a Green Party consulting

:32:03.:32:07.

on a framework for the plan for the environment -- green paper. This

:32:08.:32:11.

will help inform our decisions, better connect current and future

:32:12.:32:14.

generations to the environment and ensure that investment is directed

:32:15.:32:17.

to where it will have the biggest impact on the environment.

:32:18.:32:25.

I'm sure all honourable members will agree that our constituents want

:32:26.:32:29.

clean beaches, clean air, clean water, good soil and healthy

:32:30.:32:32.

biodiversity, whether we are a member of the EU or not, and I can

:32:33.:32:37.

assure you of my full commitment to that. Will my right honourable

:32:38.:32:46.

friend make it a priority to publish proposals for the fishing industry

:32:47.:32:50.

where we can catch more of our own fish and protect our fishing grounds

:32:51.:32:54.

for the future. I'm grate. To my right honourable friend who makes a

:32:55.:32:56.

very good point about the potential for all UK fishing and I do hope

:32:57.:33:03.

that our policies, when we come to them, after consultation, will

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enable us to deliver exactly as he asks for.

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I will give way to the honourable lady.

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Today, the Prime Minister made a passing reference to Spanish

:33:15.:33:16.

fishermen and their interests when she was talking about doing a deal

:33:17.:33:21.

with the EU. That suggests that fishing is already in play in these

:33:22.:33:25.

negotiations so can the Secretary of State clarify, what is the Prime

:33:26.:33:29.

Minister offering to Spanish fishermen and why are they being

:33:30.:33:33.

used as pawns in this process already? Well, I can assure the

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honourable lady that we are not entering into any negotiations, as

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she will appreciate, until we have triggered Article 50. We are

:33:43.:33:45.

consulting widely with our colleagues in the devolved

:33:46.:33:48.

administrations and any negotiating positions will be discussed with

:33:49.:33:51.

them. So I don't think she needs to worry about that. However, I would

:33:52.:33:56.

like to point out to honourable members that a healthier environment

:33:57.:34:01.

will enable our world leading food, farming and fishing industry to go

:34:02.:34:04.

from strength-to-strength. As pledged in the manifesto, our

:34:05.:34:09.

upcoming green paper on food, farming and fisheries, will set out

:34:10.:34:13.

a framework for the future of the industries over the next 25 years

:34:14.:34:18.

and we'll also be consulting widely on that green paper.

:34:19.:34:27.

Auto I thank my honourable friend for giving way. With farming in

:34:28.:34:34.

Lancashire we have decisions made in Europe that damage our industry, a

:34:35.:34:46.

perfect example of this is movement of cattle between Commons counts as

:34:47.:34:49.

movement, ensuring that a farmer may have 15 movements in the life of

:34:50.:34:52.

just his herd which reduces the price that he gets at market. Will

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she commit to make sure that this is altered? Yes There is a lengthy

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answer to that but a much shorter answer which is that opportunities

:35:05.:35:07.

that arise from leaving the EU do include such points as the one he

:35:08.:35:13.

raises and in consulting on our food farming and fisheries Green Paper

:35:14.:35:17.

there will be the opportunity to make those points and seek recommend

:35:18.:35:22.

tees, I want to give a few examples of how our departure gives us

:35:23.:35:26.

specific opportunities. Firstly to design a domestic successor to the

:35:27.:35:29.

common agricultural policy that meets our needs, rather than those

:35:30.:35:33.

of farmers across the entire European Union. Secondly, to ensure

:35:34.:35:39.

our fisheries industries are competitive, sustainable and

:35:40.:35:44.

profitable. Thirdly, to make our environment cleaner, healthier and

:35:45.:35:48.

more productive. Ours will be a system that is fit for the 2 ist

:35:49.:35:53.

century, tailored to our priorities and those of our farmers, fishermen

:35:54.:35:58.

and our environment. The UK guarantee on funding was my first

:35:59.:36:04.

priority on arriving at DEFRA in the summer, it provides crucial

:36:05.:36:06.

certainty to farmers and the wider rural economy but I am conscious

:36:07.:36:11.

that many farmers and rural businesses plan much further ahead

:36:12.:36:14.

and work to much longer investment cycles so it's vital that we start

:36:15.:36:19.

planning now for life beyond 2020. So it's important that we think

:36:20.:36:23.

carefully about what happens next and develop the ideas and solutions

:36:24.:36:28.

for a world leading food and farming industry and an environment that's

:36:29.:36:32.

left in a better state than we inherited it. That will involve

:36:33.:36:39.

focussing on the industry's resilience, unlocking further

:36:40.:36:41.

productivity and building environmental considerations into

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our policies from the outset. I believe that the fundamentals of our

:36:48.:36:51.

food and farming sectors are strong. Food and drink is the largest

:36:52.:36:56.

manufacturing sector in the UK, bigger than cars and aerospace

:36:57.:37:01.

combined. Leaving the EU will provide more opportunities for the

:37:02.:37:06.

sector to thrive. It's important to take stock of how much we already

:37:07.:37:15.

export to outside the EU. 69% of exports of scotch whisky go to

:37:16.:37:21.

non-EU countries. Salmon exports, predominantly from Scotland, go to

:37:22.:37:25.

non-EU countries and non-EU dairy exports are up by over 90%. Leaving

:37:26.:37:33.

the EU will allow us to shape our own trade and investment

:37:34.:37:36.

opportunities, encourage even greater openness with partners in

:37:37.:37:48.

Europe and beyond. I sign seerly hope that keeps shouting will read

:37:49.:37:51.

this in Hansard, they're not interested. I will give way once

:37:52.:37:54.

they listen to me in a moment. We will shape our own trade and

:37:55.:37:58.

investment opportunities, encourage even greater openness with partners

:37:59.:38:02.

in Europe and beyond and put Britain firmly at the forefront of global

:38:03.:38:07.

trade and investment. The recent launch of our international action

:38:08.:38:11.

plan for exports with nine campaigns across a number of global markets

:38:12.:38:15.

demonstrates our ambition in this area, an ambition that builds on our

:38:16.:38:20.

strength as a great outward looking trading nation. Now turning to

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Scotland. Scotland has always been at the - only for good behaviour.

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Has always been at the heart of this success. Accounting for 30% of the

:38:32.:38:36.

UK's total exports of food, feed and drink in 2015. One of the highlights

:38:37.:38:42.

of my trip to Vietnam last year was a lunch to promote fabulous Scottish

:38:43.:38:47.

smoked salmon and Aberdeen Angus beef to Vietnamese food importers. I

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will give way. She mentioned planning and going forward. Will she

:38:55.:38:59.

tell me what planning and careful thinking have been doing for farmers

:39:00.:39:05.

in croft farmers and what 2020 will mean for them and their futures? My

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honourable friend met with the national farming union for Scotland

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yesterday and I met with them recently. We have been taking

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informal advice but at the same time as I have made very clear,

:39:16.:39:19.

unfortunately he wasn't listening, that our consultation on our Green

:39:20.:39:23.

Paper for the future, the long-term future of food, farming and

:39:24.:39:28.

fisheries is the perfect opportunity for him to represent his own

:39:29.:39:32.

crofters' interests and for them to feed back to that consultation which

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we will welcome that opportunity. Order. Honourable members ought to

:39:39.:39:44.

have the courtesy to listen to the Secretary of State. Secretary of

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State. Thank you. Scotland has a rich and varied agricultural

:39:52.:39:53.

heritage, including the grain producing lowlands in the east and

:39:54.:39:57.

beef and lamb in the uplands. It's no surprise that Scotland has a

:39:58.:40:03.

number of world beating brands, including scotch beef, lamb, black

:40:04.:40:08.

pudding and Orkney Cheddar. On my last trip to Scotland I met

:40:09.:40:11.

representatives from key industries and trade bodies vital to the

:40:12.:40:15.

Scottish rural economy, including NFU Scotland and Scotland food and

:40:16.:40:22.

drink. I was given a guided tour of one of Scotland's best known

:40:23.:40:25.

independent food companies with a turnover of almost ?24 million in

:40:26.:40:33.

2015. I was also fortunate to be shown around a bottling plant,

:40:34.:40:38.

whisky is a phenomenal global success and accounts for around one

:40:39.:40:43.

fifth of all UK food and drink exports, worth ?3. 9 billion in

:40:44.:40:50.

2015. So working with the devolved administrations I regularly meet my

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Ministerial counterparts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland

:40:56.:40:59.

and I look forward to welcoming them to London for further discussions

:41:00.:41:02.

next week. I am determined that we secure a deal on leaving the EU that

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works for all parts of the UK and recognises the contribution that all

:41:09.:41:13.

corners of this country make to our economic success. Now leaving the EU

:41:14.:41:19.

is DEFRA's biggest focus as it is the Whitehall department most

:41:20.:41:23.

affected by the EU but alongside this the day photograph day work

:41:24.:41:27.

continues to focus on the right conditions for a thriving rural

:41:28.:41:31.

economy. While much of rural policy is devolved, in August 2015 we

:41:32.:41:35.

published the rural productivity plan for England to set the right

:41:36.:41:39.

conditions for businesses in rural areas in England to prosper and

:41:40.:41:45.

grow. Across the board Government policies will help rural communities

:41:46.:41:49.

and industrial strategy that works for all areas, delivering three

:41:50.:41:53.

million apprenticeship starts in England by 2020, including trebling

:41:54.:41:59.

the number in food, farming and agriculturetech and building more

:42:00.:42:03.

homes and providing better access to services. I thank my honourable

:42:04.:42:08.

friend for giving way. Does she believe there are huge opportunities

:42:09.:42:12.

for rural diversification that will strengthen on rural communities not

:42:13.:42:19.

least of which with outdoor recreational activities that create

:42:20.:42:21.

meaningful experiences for people to help the rural economy and physical

:42:22.:42:27.

health and well-being? Yes, that's exactly right. Reconnecting with

:42:28.:42:32.

nature, with the outdoors is incredibly good for well-being. Of

:42:33.:42:37.

course, we expect and anticipate that tourism, rural success will

:42:38.:42:42.

continue as we seek to become a more outward looking nation. I will give

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way. She's making a very powerful point. Would the Minister agree that

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there are huge opportunities in the rural industries in renewable

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energy, many of which are based in rural economies to build on this and

:42:54.:42:57.

to sell our technology and our innovation on the world stage which

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will help with climate change across the globe as well? Yes, my

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honourable friend is quite right. The UK is the scene of incredibly

:43:07.:43:11.

successful renewable energy schemes and many of the offshore wind

:43:12.:43:17.

projects are in Scotland which has brought prosperity to some key areas

:43:18.:43:25.

in that nation. Increasing connectivity right across the UK is

:43:26.:43:30.

vital both for businesses to be competitive and for communities to

:43:31.:43:36.

thrive. We are investing over ?780 million to make superfast broadband

:43:37.:43:40.

of at least 24 megabits per second available to 95% of UK premises by

:43:41.:43:47.

2017. But reaching the 5% this figure does not cover is absolutely

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key and that's why I welcome the better broadband scheme. Under this

:43:52.:43:56.

scheme those who can't get a broadband speed of at least 2

:43:57.:44:01.

megabits per second qualify for a subsidised connection with a grant

:44:02.:44:07.

available and I really do encourage anyone who is eligible for that to

:44:08.:44:10.

contact their local authority. We are also working to introduce a

:44:11.:44:14.

broadband universal service obligation by 2020 at a minimum of

:44:15.:44:20.

10 megabits per second. An additional ?442 million will make

:44:21.:44:23.

superfast broadband available to a further 2% of premises in the UK.

:44:24.:44:30.

This will be complemented by a further infrastructure investment as

:44:31.:44:33.

announced in the autumn statement. For areas with poor mobile coverage

:44:34.:44:38.

planning reforms came into force in November to facilitate the building

:44:39.:44:43.

of taller masts and make upgrading and sharing of infrastructure

:44:44.:44:47.

easier. I would like to assure members across the House that better

:44:48.:44:52.

connectivity, the key to unlocking the full potential and productivity

:44:53.:44:57.

of rural areas, will remain a priority for this Government. To

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conclude, our goal is to secure a deal that works for all parts of the

:45:02.:45:06.

UK. And promoting our great British food at the same time as improving

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our environment is central to building a strong economy that works

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for everyone. Thank you. Order. Before I call the spokesman

:45:18.:45:22.

for the opposition, it will be obvious that a great many people

:45:23.:45:26.

wish to speak and that we have a very short time for this debate so I

:45:27.:45:32.

warn honourable members that there will be initially a time limit of

:45:33.:45:37.

four minutes and that is likely to reduce to three minutes and if

:45:38.:45:40.

people make lots of sper ventions then they will find they will be

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called later in the debate than they otherwise would have been. But no

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time limit applies to Rachel Maskell. Thank you. If I may before

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I begin today, this is my first opportunity, I would like to pay my

:45:58.:46:03.

personal respects to Katie Ravel, Katie lived in my constituency and

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died tragically in York just over a week ago. The whole city has been

:46:07.:46:11.

shocked and so saddened by the loss of such a precious little life.

:46:12.:46:15.

Yesterday would have been Katie's 8th birthday and I join with her

:46:16.:46:19.

community in Westfield to celebrate her life alongside her parents and

:46:20.:46:22.

friends and I am sure the whole House would want to wish Alison and

:46:23.:46:25.

Paul and to let them know that they very much are in our thoughts and

:46:26.:46:32.

prayers. May Katie rest in peace. We live in challenging times. One where

:46:33.:46:36.

it is often difficult to see over the horizon. Yet we have a duty to

:46:37.:46:40.

steer a steady path to achieve the best outcome for our nation. The

:46:41.:46:46.

country voted to leave the European Union on 23 June so we now have a

:46:47.:46:52.

responsibility to take the whole country forward together. The 100%,

:46:53.:46:56.

to provide economic and national security for all and to cut deals

:46:57.:47:02.

with the EU and others to ensure that our export focus remains

:47:03.:47:06.

robust. Seven months have passed since the vote and negotiations

:47:07.:47:09.

begin in just a couple of months' time. So where is the DEFRA plan? I

:47:10.:47:17.

have heard plenty of platitudes from the party opposite and listened to

:47:18.:47:20.

ideology about cutting red tape. There have been utterances about

:47:21.:47:23.

aspiration and the fantastic opportunity before us but all is

:47:24.:47:28.

meaningless without even a sled of a DEFRA plan being shared. These words

:47:29.:47:38.

no longer wash with farmers. Farmers don't work in eteric concepts. They

:47:39.:47:41.

live in a world where straight talk something what matters. Where is the

:47:42.:47:46.

DEFRA plan we have been promised? We should have had it before the

:47:47.:47:50.

referendum and we continue to hear talk of the two seriously delayed

:47:51.:47:56.

25-year plans. Farmers need a plan now so that they can shape their

:47:57.:47:59.

agricultural businesses and give them the best possible chance to

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succeed. 2020 is just around the corner and provides little security

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to so many. The whole food and farming sector needs security now,

:48:09.:48:12.

security through transition, and security for the long-term. It is

:48:13.:48:16.

challenging enough for the farming community at the west of times, that

:48:17.:48:21.

is why many voted to leave the EU in the hope that surely things couldn't

:48:22.:48:25.

be worse but by being kept in the dark, not knowing what the

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Government plans to do is even more worrying. Farmers at the Oxford

:48:28.:48:31.

farming conference showed their vote of confidence in the Secretary of

:48:32.:48:36.

State when only the Minister, the member for Cambourne, eventually

:48:37.:48:40.

came to her rescue by putting the arm in the air to show support for

:48:41.:48:44.

his boss. Farmers need clarity. The success of the food and farming

:48:45.:48:49.

industry which we must celebrate has been down to the sheer grit and

:48:50.:48:53.

determination of farmers to make success of their businesses but

:48:54.:48:57.

let's not get away from the fact it's tough out there. Incomes are

:48:58.:49:01.

falling and debts are rising. Incomes were down by a shocking 29%

:49:02.:49:06.

last year, a fifth of farmers are struggling just to pay their bills.

:49:07.:49:13.

The average debt for a farming business is now ?188,000 and too

:49:14.:49:17.

many have gone out of business all together, including more than 1,000

:49:18.:49:21.

dairy farmers in the last three years. So not all farmers are

:49:22.:49:25.

thriving or even There are some regulations that

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farmer would happily see the back of the 1200 regular layingses to annal

:49:37.:49:39.

size of course we'd want to see some go. -- regulations. The Prime

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Minister should set out the strategy and test each regulation by the

:49:48.:49:52.

criteria, not a piecemeal approach with no systematic logic being

:49:53.:49:56.

applied. A question I've been asking since I was appointed, how will

:49:57.:50:01.

Government police regulations prosecution those who breach them

:50:02.:50:05.

outside of the EU framework. Answers are needed, as this will be a matter

:50:06.:50:12.

for the UK alone. But all of this has little relevance if the big

:50:13.:50:17.

question is not answered. What will replace the common ago cultural

:50:18.:50:22.

policy? What succeeds CAP is not subject to any negotiation, so what

:50:23.:50:27.

has been agreed with the Treasury. With subsidies accounting for over

:50:28.:50:30.

half the income and investment resource for the farmers, they need

:50:31.:50:34.

to know what will take its place, what will the criteria be, how will

:50:35.:50:39.

they access funding and how can they start shaping businesses now,

:50:40.:50:44.

according to the new criteria so that by 2020, they can be on the

:50:45.:50:49.

firmest financial footing possible. So what has the Treasury agreed and

:50:50.:50:53.

the Secretary of State determined? The Labour were in power today, we'd

:50:54.:50:58.

be launch the rural investment bank, building sustainability for

:50:59.:51:00.

businesses and sustainability for the environment. Resilience across

:51:01.:51:05.

farming and giving farming the stability and security they need to

:51:06.:51:09.

plan their future with the business support they need, as well as the

:51:10.:51:14.

infrastructure and technological investment to drive forward

:51:15.:51:17.

productivity. I am happy to give way. May I thank the honourable lady

:51:18.:51:22.

for giving way. Would she agree with me there are grave concerns

:51:23.:51:25.

regarding early pest and disease intelligence from Europe which may

:51:26.:51:30.

become much less accessible alongside investment in research and

:51:31.:51:34.

development which may fall without access to EU funding. I thank the

:51:35.:51:39.

honourable lady for her intervention there. She's absolutely right. It's

:51:40.:51:43.

our cooperation across Europe which has built the resilience of farming

:51:44.:51:47.

and have built the huge knowledge base we which we all take advantage

:51:48.:51:53.

of. The relationships we maintain with the science and research base

:51:54.:51:56.

across the E such going to be absolutely vital to the success of

:51:57.:52:01.

farming in the future. Of course, our fishermen and women

:52:02.:52:04.

are searching for answers too. I've always believed that honesty is the

:52:05.:52:08.

best policy to abide by. It's time the Government clearly set out for

:52:09.:52:12.

those working across the fishing industry what they can expect to

:52:13.:52:17.

change after leaving the EU. How we build a sustainable fishing industry

:52:18.:52:21.

in an international context is vital for the industry to survive. But, as

:52:22.:52:26.

has always been the case, it is the responsibility of the UK Government

:52:27.:52:30.

to make sure the small fishing fleets have access to the stock.

:52:31.:52:35.

Accessing global markets is vital for the future of the UK food and

:52:36.:52:40.

drinks and farming sectors, but again, I have to ask the Secretary

:52:41.:52:45.

of State what the strategy is. It surely cannot be her role to conduct

:52:46.:52:50.

the global auction on every food product promoting her favourite

:52:51.:52:55.

brands like the Snowdonian cheese or Walker short bred. What is the

:52:56.:53:00.

approach to help every farmer have access to global free tariff market.

:53:01.:53:04.

She cannot skip over the EU as though it no longer exists.

:53:05.:53:12.

Farmers want security in knowing that they will have tariff free

:53:13.:53:17.

access to this market. This is why Labour's been explicitly clear, we

:53:18.:53:20.

want you to have access to the single market tariff free trade. I

:53:21.:53:28.

We must warn the Prime Minister, what she's said today, she mustn't

:53:29.:53:35.

create more barriers for the ago cultural and food sectors. The other

:53:36.:53:40.

pressing issue is Labour. Free movement has enabled 98% of the UK

:53:41.:53:44.

farmers seasonal workers to come from the EU. 80,000 people to pick

:53:45.:53:50.

our veg and fruit each year. On this point, we must be clear - these are

:53:51.:53:57.

absolutely not about taking anybody's jobs from anyone. These

:53:58.:54:03.

are jobs that have failed to recruit locally. Farmers need to know what

:54:04.:54:11.

they will reap before they sew. So, with seasonal labour, it's already

:54:12.:54:15.

in short supply. As a result of the vote last June. The fall in the

:54:16.:54:19.

pound's made other countries more attractive to seasonal workers. The

:54:20.:54:24.

xenophobia is keeping some away. Xenophobia has no place anywhere in

:54:25.:54:29.

our country. We owe it to those who come here to make it clear that they

:54:30.:54:34.

are not only welcome, but we recognise the valuable role they

:54:35.:54:37.

play in the freedom farming sector and the wider economy. But for those

:54:38.:54:41.

who've made a decision to work in the UK from the EU, the Government

:54:42.:54:46.

should grant them the right to stay now. Indecision and delay is

:54:47.:54:49.

resulting in many leaving and keeping others away. I know the meat

:54:50.:54:54.

sector have highlighted the serious risk that the dithering over the

:54:55.:54:57.

rights are causing to their sustainability and they are not

:54:58.:54:59.

alone. Today the Prime Minister had her

:55:00.:55:02.

opportunity to provide businesses and workers from the EU. The

:55:03.:55:07.

stability they need. When she was asked specifically on the point

:55:08.:55:11.

earlier, she yet again ducked the question.

:55:12.:55:15.

I am happy to give way. I thank my right honourable friend for giving

:55:16.:55:18.

way. Does she share my disappointment that apart from a

:55:19.:55:21.

passing reference to the word agriculture in preamble to the Prime

:55:22.:55:24.

Minister's speech, there was nothing about the environment, food or

:55:25.:55:27.

farming in terms of the 12 objectives she set out. Doesn't she

:55:28.:55:31.

think the Prime Minister ought to be giving it far more importance? I

:55:32.:55:34.

thank my right honourable friend for the point she's made and I have

:55:35.:55:37.

scoured the speech to try and find the word environment in there and it

:55:38.:55:43.

wasn't there, so I have serious concerns that the environmental

:55:44.:55:45.

protections we currently enjoy from the EU just will not be there for

:55:46.:55:50.

the future and, of course, as we advance forward and see that the EU

:55:51.:55:55.

makes more progress on these areas, there is no guarantee given today in

:55:56.:55:58.

the Prime Minister's contribution that that will be part of her

:55:59.:56:04.

negotiating 12-point plan - her strategy.

:56:05.:56:09.

So, as we move forward, I hear that the minister saying that it's

:56:10.:56:14.

nonnegotiable but we need to see nit the 12-point plan if it's a key

:56:15.:56:18.

point for us moving forward, so clearly the Prime Minister missed

:56:19.:56:22.

that opportunity today to make that clear, the importance she would

:56:23.:56:25.

place on the environment clearly not being stated.

:56:26.:56:30.

I am happy to give way further. I thank the honourable lady for giving

:56:31.:56:36.

way. Does she share the concerns that I have that it's staggering

:56:37.:56:41.

that it appears the Government hasn't incorporated at least some of

:56:42.:56:46.

the recommendations concerning land management. I suggested in a letter

:56:47.:56:49.

to the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

:56:50.:56:53.

by the institution of environmental sciences and other professional

:56:54.:56:59.

bodies into the still foggy post-Brexit plan.

:57:00.:57:01.

THE SPEAKER: Order. Interventions have been far too long, it simply

:57:02.:57:05.

isn't fair for the honourable gentleman to take the time of

:57:06.:57:09.

thethey shall people waiting to take speeches. It's simply not courteous.

:57:10.:57:15.

No matter how important his point may appear to be. Rachel Maskell? We

:57:16.:57:22.

have seen the lack of certainty being given, so it's a valid point

:57:23.:57:28.

that's been made. A further point I want to raise with the Secretary of

:57:29.:57:32.

State and that's about apprenticeships. I'm sorry,

:57:33.:57:38.

apprenticeships aren't about filling unskilled labour gaps, they are

:57:39.:57:41.

about sustaining people in their development, training and skills, so

:57:42.:57:44.

that they can have a career ahead of them. Certainly suggesting that

:57:45.:57:50.

they'll fill the post-rich 80,000 workers currently hold is not

:57:51.:57:54.

appropriate and not what apprenticeships are for. Farmers

:57:55.:57:58.

need real solutions, so why not introduce the seasonal ago cultural

:57:59.:58:01.

workers scheme? I know the Government scrapped it in 2013 but

:58:02.:58:05.

it would provide a lifeline to farmers now, far better than leaving

:58:06.:58:09.

fruit and veg rotting in fields this summer. On behalf of all farmers,

:58:10.:58:13.

especially though who may be watching and listening to us speak

:58:14.:58:17.

here today, I sincerely hope the Secretary of State provides a

:58:18.:58:22.

solution to this issue. We also have a wider biodiversity system to

:58:23.:58:25.

protect. Farmers are the great conservationists of our nation.

:58:26.:58:31.

They, along with many NGOs are the ones investing and restoring natural

:58:32.:58:35.

habitats leaving in environmental sustainability with more support

:58:36.:58:39.

they'll go further still. We know there is far more to be achieved and

:58:40.:58:43.

we cannot return to being the dirty man of Europe, nor can we stand by

:58:44.:58:47.

and sign trade deals with nations that pollute on our behalf having no

:58:48.:58:54.

regard for soil, air or water quality. A as responsible global

:58:55.:59:00.

stewards we must drive forward progressionive environmental

:59:01.:59:02.

standards and stem pollution. If the Government pin their hope on a deal

:59:03.:59:05.

with the next US administration, I would urge them to think again.

:59:06.:59:11.

As we debate rural communities, we cannot ignore all the other needs

:59:12.:59:15.

that rural communities call for. This Government are still to address

:59:16.:59:18.

this. Access to Broadband, as the Secretary of State said, is an

:59:19.:59:21.

important issue, Broadband and mobile connectivity. But it's the

:59:22.:59:24.

rural communities which are in that 5% that still can't get access.

:59:25.:59:31.

Access to jobs, housing and transport essential for rural

:59:32.:59:34.

communities, as well as good Public Services. Our ambition must go

:59:35.:59:40.

further to halt the urban drift and to rebuild rural communities

:59:41.:59:44.

sustaining rural business and investing in new businesses, pulling

:59:45.:59:48.

us back into the countryside and taking to unsustainable strain of

:59:49.:59:52.

urban Britain. All are important and on these benches, we understand how

:59:53.:59:57.

vital invest isn't into rural communities. You certainly won't see

:59:58.:00:01.

a Labour Government cutting the budget to our national pashes by 40%

:00:02.:00:06.

as the Government has on its watch. So, what will the Secretary of State

:00:07.:00:11.

do? It's a shame that the Government's amendment today fails

:00:12.:00:15.

to recognise the unique needs of rural communities and the central

:00:16.:00:18.

role investment has in strengthening the wider economy. However, the huge

:00:19.:00:25.

challenges facing rural economies needs clear interventions, not

:00:26.:00:28.

complacency. And the shocking disparities with urban environments

:00:29.:00:31.

needs to be addressed. There is not such thing as a single monolithic

:00:32.:00:36.

rural economy in the UK. There's great diversity, not just between

:00:37.:00:39.

communities, but within them. I focus much of my time today on

:00:40.:00:43.

farming because that's where the challenges are most pressing, but we

:00:44.:00:47.

must remember that there is more to life in rural and coastal

:00:48.:00:50.

communities than farming and fishing alone. If the Government truly

:00:51.:00:55.

intends to deliver for rural communities, it will take a far more

:00:56.:01:00.

sustained everybody than simply addressing immediate short-term

:01:01.:01:05.

challenges in isolation. We need a proper cross Government strategy.

:01:06.:01:08.

The abolition of Labour's commission on rural communities by this

:01:09.:01:13.

Government and establishing the much diminished policy unit in its place

:01:14.:01:17.

has weakened rural communities to the lack of capacity and expertise.

:01:18.:01:22.

Madam Deputy Speaker, many of the issues raised today are

:01:23.:01:25.

long-standing and cannot be blamed on the EU alone. But in saying that,

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the turmoil now created by uncertainty by the Government is

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escalating risk for the sector. Those who work across the rural

:01:35.:01:39.

landscape or fish in our sea, did feel left behind, left behind bay

:01:40.:01:42.

Tory Government that failed to invest in their industry and in

:01:43.:01:48.

their communities. This has to change. With Labour you would be

:01:49.:01:52.

confident that it would and farming would become far more stable, secure

:01:53.:01:57.

and sustainable. Thank you. THE SPEAKER: Order. I already have

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to reduce the time limit before I have even imposed it. The time limit

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will now be three minutes. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

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It's nice to follow the honourable lady who mentioned her urban drip.

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Can I just add that I have a very small farm in north her forkedshire

:02:22.:02:24.

and raise cattle which the Secretary of State ought to know are the

:02:25.:02:28.

finest and most popular beef breed in the world. The assumption made in

:02:29.:02:32.

this motion that Brexit is something for farmers to be scared of is far

:02:33.:02:37.

too pessimistic. There are risks but also opportunities. The European

:02:38.:02:42.

Union has for years subsidised farms under the CAP and we have seen our

:02:43.:02:47.

farmers fall from pole position behind now some of our European

:02:48.:02:51.

partners in profitability and innovation. Therefore leaving the EU

:02:52.:02:55.

and thus ending the common ago cultural policy should not be a

:02:56.:03:00.

cause for concern in itself. Indeed, farmers and research

:03:01.:03:03.

organisations such as leave have noted that Brexit is far more of an

:03:04.:03:08.

opportunity than a risk. Instead of a CAP which compromises for 28

:03:09.:03:13.

states with 12 million farmers with an average farm size of 15 hectares

:03:14.:03:19.

or 37 acres, compared to the UK which has an average farm size of 84

:03:20.:03:25.

hectares or 207 acres. So now, we are able to create a uniquely

:03:26.:03:31.

helpful ago cultural policy for our farmers prioritising the goals we

:03:32.:03:35.

most want to achieve. It's important that we have an ago

:03:36.:03:39.

cultural policy which works for our farmers, for we need their

:03:40.:03:43.

contributions. It must also work for voters, for the environment and for

:03:44.:03:48.

all of those of us who need a healthy diet. This is particularly

:03:49.:03:53.

tryth true as the NHS faces pressure from type II diabetes and#24er diet

:03:54.:04:07.

and exercise related illnesses. It was made clear that ago cultural

:04:08.:04:10.

support would continue until 2020 and by then we have had enough time

:04:11.:04:14.

to prepare for a new ago cultural policy which will work for this

:04:15.:04:18.

country. Already, the Government has indicated that it's keen to cut back

:04:19.:04:23.

on ridiculous levels of EU bureaucracy. But, we must be aware

:04:24.:04:30.

that within DEFRA, there are evil individuals who're still rolling out

:04:31.:04:35.

hideous regulation by increasing the area suppressed by nitrate

:04:36.:04:39.

vulnerable zones which are EU regulations, they are the nastiest

:04:40.:04:43.

and most ridiculous rules and need to be frozen or rolled back but

:04:44.:04:47.

instead they are being increased which is beyond scandalous.

:04:48.:05:04.

I have been placing on the record in this mousse multiple times the

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sensible and straight forward position this country stands to gain

:05:11.:05:16.

nothing by the Government setting out our negotiating position before

:05:17.:05:19.

the negotiations are even commencing. The EU negotiation

:05:20.:05:23.

negotiators would gain the upper hand. And I will stop right there!

:05:24.:05:30.

I am disappointed that the Prime Minister signalled today she intends

:05:31.:05:33.

to pull the UK out of the single market as well as out of the EU.

:05:34.:05:36.

Some of those potentially have the most to lose from this hard Brexit

:05:37.:05:40.

approach are Scotland's beef and sheep farmers. We have been farming

:05:41.:05:43.

beef in Aberdeenshire for thousands of years. Farm something a way of

:05:44.:05:47.

life more than a job and we produce some of the best beef in the world

:05:48.:05:52.

for premium markets. I am not going to repeat the comments my honourable

:05:53.:05:55.

friend has made because he made the case well, but I will say this in

:05:56.:05:59.

response to the Secretary of State. Scotland exported beef and lamb

:06:00.:06:03.

worth ?73 million to EU countries in 2015. It's important that we realise

:06:04.:06:08.

that over 90% of Scotland's red meat exports go to EU countries and of

:06:09.:06:12.

the non-EU countries, Switzerland, nor Which? And Monaco are at the top

:06:13.:06:17.

of the non-EU destinations. Scotland's food and drink exports

:06:18.:06:20.

have grown substantially and our biggest growth markets have been in

:06:21.:06:24.

the EU, a massive 20% of growth over the last decade and a much higher

:06:25.:06:28.

rate of growth than in other markets including the UK market. That's why

:06:29.:06:33.

retaining access to the single market is so important to our future

:06:34.:06:37.

economic security especially in rural areas where livelihoods are so

:06:38.:06:41.

affected by trade. But the other commodity produced on a large scale

:06:42.:06:44.

in my constituency is fish. We have a huge catching sector, probably a

:06:45.:06:48.

quarter of the UK's fish is landed in my constituency but for every job

:06:49.:06:51.

in the catching sector there are four or five in the processing

:06:52.:06:55.

industry. That supports thousands of jobs across Scotland in a wider

:06:56.:06:58.

supply chain. The vast majority of fishermen voted to leave the EU and

:06:59.:07:04.

given the way they were sold out in 1972 and shoe-horned into who can

:07:05.:07:10.

blame them. There are many potential gains from being outside the CPC,

:07:11.:07:14.

however it's a different story for the proetsing sector where those

:07:15.:07:19.

opportunities are tempered by some significant drawbacks of a hard

:07:20.:07:23.

Brexit as against a region style deal that keeps our foot in the

:07:24.:07:26.

door. One of the major employers in my constituency already said

:07:27.:07:29.

publicly that we need to protect our position in the single market

:07:30.:07:33.

because we have a market advantage there. Nevertheless, we need to

:07:34.:07:37.

remember that two-thirds of our fish exports are going to the EU. It's a

:07:38.:07:43.

huge issue for some employers. We exported fish worth nearly ?450

:07:44.:07:50.

million to the EU in 2015, we can't afford to jeopardise trade. I think

:07:51.:07:54.

while tariffs are probably, we can't afford tariffs at this stage, we can

:07:55.:08:01.

afford non-tariff barriers such as the need for certificates. Those are

:08:02.:08:06.

adding costs and bureaucracy that we don't need and we leave an open goal

:08:07.:08:10.

for Norwegian and Icelandic competitors. During the Brexit

:08:11.:08:14.

campaign when I talked to people in the fishing industry they held up

:08:15.:08:20.

Norway as the model they wanted to emulate but that's no longer an

:08:21.:08:23.

option in this post-Brexit situation. The biggest risk now is

:08:24.:08:27.

the point I made to the Minister where our Government sells us down

:08:28.:08:31.

the river as was suggested might be happening in the Prime Minister's

:08:32.:08:37.

speech earlier today. It was my prif ledge both in opposition and in

:08:38.:08:42.

Government to work with Sir Jim Pace and he and I, although we may well

:08:43.:08:47.

have voted to remain in the European Union, had deep reservations about

:08:48.:08:50.

the common agricultural policy and desperately wanted the farming

:08:51.:08:53.

community to embrace the concept they would have to change the

:08:54.:08:58.

narrative, change the ask of Government, and to continue to

:08:59.:09:03.

accept words like subs tees as part of the lexicon of modern

:09:04.:09:06.

agriculture, it's something we have to deal with, we have to change the

:09:07.:09:10.

narrative. My message to ministers today is please be bold, what we do

:09:11.:09:18.

not want out of this is a son of CP, a CAP-plus. What we do not want is a

:09:19.:09:23.

system that perpetuates what has happened in the past. We want to

:09:24.:09:28.

look at this as April opportunity to see rural policy that can be an

:09:29.:09:31.

economic policy and an environmental policy and a social policy, as well.

:09:32.:09:36.

I would like to speak at great length - yes, certainly. Would he

:09:37.:09:41.

agree that there will still be need even after Brexit for support for

:09:42.:09:44.

hill farmers in places like Wales and in Scotland? I will come on to

:09:45.:09:49.

talk precisely on that. My honourable friend makes a very good

:09:50.:09:53.

point. I would like to have had the opportunity today to talk about the

:09:54.:09:59.

innovation that's happening in farming, innovations that see

:10:00.:10:01.

precision, satellite assisted farming is old news. Now with the

:10:02.:10:07.

internet of things and the development of incredible changes in

:10:08.:10:10.

technology we can see huge advances in agriculture and this is the

:10:11.:10:16.

opportunity for DEFRA to be at the heart of that change and to support

:10:17.:10:23.

the farming enterprise through that. The impact of globalisation and the

:10:24.:10:27.

machinations of the CAP has caused the number of smaller farmers to

:10:28.:10:34.

plummet. This is very bad news for the fabric of rural wrin, rural

:10:35.:10:36.

communities and the environment. It's a chance for us to avoid some

:10:37.:10:41.

of the failures that have afflicted rural policy-making for decades,

:10:42.:10:44.

grants to drain moorlands followed by a decade or two later grants to

:10:45.:10:48.

fill them in. Grants to rip out hedges followed a decade or two

:10:49.:10:52.

later by grants to replant them. Incentives to plant thousands of

:10:53.:10:57.

acres of spruce and pine in areas in northern Scotland. This list of

:10:58.:11:01.

lamentable policy-making goes on. Please can we get it right and can

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we get it right in the uplands? We need to be very worried about what

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is happening in the Lake District. Hill farming created the wilderness

:11:12.:11:17.

and pasture that still defines the Lake District landscape. Those that

:11:18.:11:22.

shepherd the flocks are as much part of the landscape. That's what

:11:23.:11:37.

Wordsworth loved about the lakes and what Beatrix Potter to save 14

:11:38.:11:42.

farms. She, like millions of people today expected us to protect these

:11:43.:11:48.

fragile social structures in rural landscapes, preserve the skills to

:11:49.:11:52.

sustain some of them the treasured landscapes. There is a vision that

:11:53.:11:56.

treats the sheep farmer as an enemy and aims to turn the fells into a

:11:57.:12:02.

petri dish for nature-free of human intervention. This sees the

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replacing of the unique blend of the wild and the pasture which has

:12:06.:12:09.

defined the Lake District for 2,000 years with something that is,

:12:10.:12:13.

frankly, shameful. Allowing ministers to recognise that small

:12:14.:12:17.

farms and particularly those in our uplands are the most economically

:12:18.:12:21.

fragile, arguably the most socially valuable, should be key to any new

:12:22.:12:26.

post-Brexit model of rural support. Being mindful to what our

:12:27.:12:29.

countryside is, seeking to protect and enhance the most stunning

:12:30.:12:34.

landscapes in the world, whilst assisting the industry to innovate

:12:35.:12:37.

and market responsive, this has to be the goal. I do urge ministers to

:12:38.:12:41.

take this opportunity to be bold and create something that's better than

:12:42.:12:45.

what we have had. Thank you. I rise to talk to the

:12:46.:12:49.

environmental audit committee's report which is tagged in this

:12:50.:12:53.

debate. The future of the natural environment after the EU referendum.

:12:54.:12:57.

I pay tribute both to the members for Bristol east and Taunton Deane

:12:58.:13:02.

in the chamber today. Our report, cross-party report from a

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cross-party group of MPs, found that changes from Brexit could put our

:13:07.:13:10.

countryside, farming and wildlife at risk. And that protections for

:13:11.:13:14.

Britain's wildlife and special places which are currently

:13:15.:13:18.

guaranteed under European law could end up as zombie legislation even

:13:19.:13:21.

with the so-called great repeal bill. We recommended therefore that

:13:22.:13:25.

the Government should safeguard protections for Britain's wildlife

:13:26.:13:30.

in places in a new, UK environmental protection act. And I want to talk a

:13:31.:13:37.

little bit about that today. I would like to look at the issues around

:13:38.:13:42.

agriculture and we found that farmers face a triple general tee

:13:43.:13:46.

from leaving the EU and let's not forget farms and farm businesses

:13:47.:13:52.

make up 25% of all of the UK's businesses. First, the CAP provides

:13:53.:13:58.

50-606% on average of UK farming incomes and for certain farmers that

:13:59.:14:03.

average will be much higher. So the loss of the CAP threatens the

:14:04.:14:10.

viability of some farms. The second jeopardy is the new trade

:14:11.:14:13.

agreements, could threaten incomes if they result in tariff or

:14:14.:14:17.

non-tariff barriers to export. At the moment 95% of lamb exports go to

:14:18.:14:22.

the EU and if we are exposed to a common EU customs tariff that could

:14:23.:14:28.

mean charges of up to 30% according to the country, land and business

:14:29.:14:31.

association. Third, any new trade deals with the rest of the world

:14:32.:14:36.

such as that proposed yesterday by MrTrump could lead to competition

:14:37.:14:41.

from countries with lower animal welfare, environmental and food

:14:42.:14:44.

safety standards. We have heard from the Secretary of State for exiting

:14:45.:14:48.

the EU that he will do everything necessary to protect the stability

:14:49.:14:51.

of the financial services sector and we have heard again reassurance to

:14:52.:14:56.

the car industry in the UK, there have been no such reassurances to

:14:57.:15:00.

the 25% of the UK's businesses that are classed as rural businesses and

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we have heard from the Secretary of State for environment, food and

:15:08.:15:10.

rural affairs at the Oxford farming conference that farm exports to the

:15:11.:15:15.

EU will decline post-Brexit. She also didn't give my committee any

:15:16.:15:19.

clarity over whether there would be future subs tees for farmers after

:15:20.:15:23.

we leave the EU and we would as a committee would want to see clearly

:15:24.:15:28.

defined objectives for future subsidies such as promoting

:15:29.:15:33.

biodiversity, preventing flooding and repairing peat bogs. I give way.

:15:34.:15:38.

When the Environment Secretary gave evidence to the economy she said up

:15:39.:15:42.

to a third of environmental legislation would not be covered by

:15:43.:15:45.

the great repeal act which means a huge vacuum in terms of

:15:46.:15:49.

environmental protections. ? Yes, my honourable friend is right and our

:15:50.:15:54.

committee discovered that copying EU legislation into UK law will not

:15:55.:15:57.

enough for up to a third of the UK's environmental protections so there

:15:58.:16:00.

is a risk that the legislation is transposed but is no longer updated

:16:01.:16:05.

because there is nobody to update it. It is not enforced because there

:16:06.:16:10.

is nobody with the legal duty to enforce it and it can be eroded

:16:11.:16:15.

through strat Torrey instruments with minimal parliamentary scrutiny

:16:16.:16:20.

and of course we have had calls from some parts of the Conservative Party

:16:21.:16:23.

to have a subset clause in the bill and that's again something that the

:16:24.:16:26.

Secretary of State did not distance herself from when she appeared in

:16:27.:16:31.

front of our committee which is why we want a new environmental

:16:32.:16:34.

protection act passed before we leave the European Union. If the

:16:35.:16:37.

Government's going to achieve its manifesto commitment to be the first

:16:38.:16:41.

generation to leave the environment in a better sthat tan it found it

:16:42.:16:45.

the Government must set out how it will provide an equivalent or

:16:46.:16:47.

helpfully better level of protection when we leave. The role of this

:16:48.:16:54.

House will be vital in providing clear scrutiny rather than

:16:55.:16:58.

cheerleaderboarding as that debate goes forward. Thank you. Last year,

:16:59.:17:02.

I received a letter from a local farmer. He had been informed that he

:17:03.:17:06.

could no longer grow cabbages because they were considered by the

:17:07.:17:13.

EU to be too similar to cally flowers for compliance with a rule.

:17:14.:17:18.

Turnips he was advised would be more acceptable. Agriculture and food and

:17:19.:17:21.

drink are great British success stories, yet for half a century they

:17:22.:17:26.

have been held back by this ceaseless meddling of brows sells

:17:27.:17:29.

self appointed vegetable police. Will there are three simple reasons

:17:30.:17:34.

why leaving the EU represents an opportunity for the rural economy

:17:35.:17:37.

and let me touch on CAP to start with. Every year, UK farmers receive

:17:38.:17:43.

about ?3 billion of payments from the CAP and some people act if this

:17:44.:17:48.

money is a gift bestowed upon us by Brussels. The truth is this money is

:17:49.:17:53.

the money of British taxpayers who every year make a net contribution

:17:54.:17:57.

of ?9 billion to the EU budget and with that money returned we could

:17:58.:18:01.

fund a British agricultural policy three times over. The difference

:18:02.:18:06.

will be that we have the freedom to provide funding for British farmers

:18:07.:18:10.

and the needs of British farmers without smothering them with a

:18:11.:18:12.

European regulations they don't need. The second benefit will be to

:18:13.:18:19.

our rural economy for the food industry and trade. Food demand is

:18:20.:18:24.

projected to grow 70% in the coming decades, a huge opportunity for

:18:25.:18:28.

British food producers. That demand is driven by China, Brazil, the US,

:18:29.:18:34.

India, all countries that the EU has entirely failed to sign a free trade

:18:35.:18:38.

agreement with. With British trade policy back in British hands, we can

:18:39.:18:43.

sign a new generation of free trade agreements allowing our companies to

:18:44.:18:45.

fulfil their enormous potential abroad.

:18:46.:18:51.

Lastly, they will gain enormously from the freedoms Brexit will give

:18:52.:18:58.

us to invest in infrastructure. After we leave the EU, bad box

:18:59.:19:02.

ticking bureaucracy, a covenant elected by the British people, will

:19:03.:19:07.

be able to find that broadband to rural areas with Al having to wait a

:19:08.:19:11.

DFI compliance with the European Union in flexible state rules. --

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that. -- wait for compliance. It is not beyond travails. As dramatic as

:19:21.:19:26.

Saville's orange groves are, they are not Dartmoor or Exmoor. Our

:19:27.:19:35.

rural... Seville. Outside of the EU, Legion design policies that work for

:19:36.:19:41.

our policies and use our new-found freedoms do create a rural economy

:19:42.:19:50.

more robust than ever before. I'll be as brief as I possibly can. Every

:19:51.:19:56.

single part of Scotland, bar by guile and beauty constituency, voted

:19:57.:20:01.

to remain. -- apart from Argyll and Bute. They said they wish the UK

:20:02.:20:10.

could maintain membership of the European Union to keep our seafood,

:20:11.:20:14.

whiskey and other groups having access to the biggest and, most

:20:15.:20:19.

valuable market. In return, we continue to welcome with open arms

:20:20.:20:22.

citizens of the European Union who wish to come, let and work in Argyll

:20:23.:20:32.

and Bute. As the guarantor has done with notable success, we would

:20:33.:20:36.

continue to promote Argyll and Bute as an excellent place of foreign,

:20:37.:20:40.

multi national companies to invest as they sought to secure entry into

:20:41.:20:44.

the European single market for their products. That's why we voted to

:20:45.:20:50.

remain and that is why Brexit would have a profound and damaging impact

:20:51.:21:01.

of my Argyll and Bute' economy. We boast 14 of the best whiskey

:21:02.:21:04.

distilleries in the world. I will give value the microwave. I thank

:21:05.:21:16.

him. We agree that the prospering businesses here are down to our

:21:17.:21:22.

environment prospering as well? I agree. The Providence and purity are

:21:23.:21:26.

essential and a great part of what Scotland's produce can offer. As of

:21:27.:21:36.

mass G8, Scotch Whisky, much of it produced in my constituency,

:21:37.:21:37.

contributed major lead to the UK economy. Removing us from the

:21:38.:21:44.

European Union damages that. I'm so surprised that the honourable member

:21:45.:21:47.

for South Northamptonshire seemed unaware of the fact that a huge

:21:48.:21:53.

percentage of Scott exported beyond in the EU still benefits from deals

:21:54.:21:58.

brokered by the EU. Control of Smoke Pollution Act Scotch. There is so

:21:59.:22:06.

much I like to say. If I make my work included by saying that I

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believe membership of the European Union has been good Argyll and Bute,

:22:10.:22:13.

and has been for Scotland. Our continued membership is vital to

:22:14.:22:20.

huge economic regeneration of our area. We need people in Argyll and

:22:21.:22:24.

Bute and the future plan for economic growth would fall by our

:22:25.:22:31.

council is predicated on attracting inward migration of EU citizens who

:22:32.:22:34.

want to come and work in our food and drink sector, forestry, farming

:22:35.:22:40.

and on other seas. We need people to come and work in our rural

:22:41.:22:44.

communities. We need EU National to come to our diet and Bute. We

:22:45.:22:50.

welcome EU nationals. -- to Argyll and Bute. There are almost 2000 EU

:22:51.:22:54.

nationals living in the constituency at the moment and it is a disgrace

:22:55.:22:59.

that this covenant will not guarantee their right to remain in

:23:00.:23:02.

the United Kingdom post Brexit. I wish the boot on wreckage -- to put.

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That every migrant working in Argyll and Bute is very welcome. -- record.

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I will do everything I can to support them staying post Brexit.

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Madam Deputy Seagate, I believe Brexit will be bad for the UK and

:23:30.:23:34.

bad for Scotland. And particularly harmful for rural communities, such

:23:35.:23:40.

as my own. Being a member of the European Union has been benefit from

:23:41.:23:44.

a constituency. The beneficial. That's why when asked last June, the

:23:45.:23:50.

people of Argyll and Bute overwhelmingly voted to remain.

:23:51.:23:57.

Madam Deputy Speaker, there is an active and very interesting debate

:23:58.:24:01.

going on in farming and agriculture in our rural communities. I was

:24:02.:24:04.

reminded of this last Friday when I had the privilege to visit the

:24:05.:24:09.

Clarence house farm to find out more about the dairy industry issues. We

:24:10.:24:16.

had a wide debate that captivated as for 90 minutes. I barely got to see

:24:17.:24:23.

the place that I went to visit. The cakes on the side of the kitchen

:24:24.:24:27.

table when on tops. These are the sacrifices they make. I recognise

:24:28.:24:33.

this is a time of uncertainty for farming. -- untouched. It's also a

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time of the opportunity. The Prime Minister was clear today that we are

:24:39.:24:43.

leaving the EU, but not Europe. There are ongoing trade

:24:44.:24:45.

relationships we have to define with the all but there are new

:24:46.:24:50.

opportunities in broader markets in this ambitious strategy that will

:24:51.:24:54.

have positive implications for all industrial sectors and will also

:24:55.:24:59.

benefit from UK farmers as well. There may be some who will want you

:25:00.:25:04.

have the relative certainty of the common agricultural policy are few

:25:05.:25:08.

would argue that it's a perfect system, far from it. Quite the

:25:09.:25:13.

opposite. All the hallmarks for too long of a system created in the

:25:14.:25:17.

1950s. Overly bureaucratic and designed for the needs of 28 states

:25:18.:25:23.

and not the UK National agricultural interests that we have to have in

:25:24.:25:28.

mind. That is the huge opportunity Brexit to us. The passing of CAP

:25:29.:25:35.

will not be mourned and we'll create a better approach. The Prime

:25:36.:25:39.

Minister said there will be protections for pillar one and there

:25:40.:25:45.

were two of until 2020. The agriculture section the Max factor

:25:46.:25:50.

is in good place. We can compete with the world. We need to recognise

:25:51.:25:56.

what is in front of us. It is not all bad Brexit, Brexit you'd be a

:25:57.:26:00.

spur to action to tackle long-standing action and recognise

:26:01.:26:06.

opportunities. -- alt Brexit. I have spoken viral -- rural

:26:07.:26:12.

diversification in my earlier intervention. The economy will be

:26:13.:26:17.

pivotal. I believe that outdoor recreation have a place in that

:26:18.:26:25.

particular debate. In my very last few remarks, I want to focus on the

:26:26.:26:28.

needs of helping young people to build careers in farming. To develop

:26:29.:26:35.

their livelihood in agriculture. I'm so impressed with the work I see at

:26:36.:26:40.

young farmers' while in and around Macclesfield and deemed too easy as

:26:41.:26:46.

they have been due farming. My dream would be, as the Secretary of State

:26:47.:26:52.

develops a green paper, please don't forget the other opportunities

:26:53.:26:56.

outside of Brexit. Rural diversification and prospects for

:26:57.:26:58.

our young farmers as they are pivotal for success in the future.

:26:59.:27:08.

Thank you. As a member of Kinross, I'm well aware of the policy for

:27:09.:27:15.

leaving the European Union. After the member for Maidenhead's speech

:27:16.:27:20.

today, it is now clear that it would be catastrophic. -- case that,

:27:21.:27:28.

Sutherland and Easter Ross. We must maintain membership of the single

:27:29.:27:33.

market. That is the best outcome, not just the people of Scotland but

:27:34.:27:36.

in the national interest of each country the UK. Scotland, in

:27:37.:27:46.

economic sectors of the economy, agriculture, fishing, manufacturing,

:27:47.:27:49.

wholesale, retail sectors, in the liberal areas like much of my

:27:50.:27:53.

constituency, to raise, accommodation and food and drink,

:27:54.:27:57.

including whiskey and gin, play a vital role also. Infrastructure has

:27:58.:28:03.

meant mending of new bridges and roads, shortening journey times and

:28:04.:28:08.

enabling remote communities to sustain themselves. Building on MS

:28:09.:28:11.

created employment and using them as created a tourist industry that has

:28:12.:28:21.

continued to thrive. -- them has. We have financial support for our

:28:22.:28:25.

farmers, access to the single market for goods and products and new

:28:26.:28:30.

skills and employees through free movement of labour. The Harbour

:28:31.:28:34.

Brexit announced today will be devastating for Scotland's rural

:28:35.:28:41.

economies with high target and was a financial support. -- hard Brexit.

:28:42.:28:45.

Using the projected food names. -- we face losing. Losing food safety,

:28:46.:28:53.

animal and Plant health standard anti-competitiveness we rely on

:28:54.:28:58.

through nontariff barriers to trade. -- and the competitiveness. We don't

:28:59.:29:01.

have the dues between the single market and the UK market. Scotland

:29:02.:29:06.

is the top destination for exports to the rest of the UK but the single

:29:07.:29:12.

market of the EU is Scotland's real growth market and eight times bigger

:29:13.:29:16.

than the UK market alone. As a man of the single market, Scotland

:29:17.:29:23.

doesn't just contribute to 5 billion people in Europe but we trade with

:29:24.:29:27.

the rest of the world through Europe as well. Today, we reiterate our

:29:28.:29:31.

request to seek common ground with the UK Government and to find a

:29:32.:29:35.

solution that will preserve the Scotland's membership of the

:29:36.:29:39.

European single market, and for the UK Government to seriously consider

:29:40.:29:48.

Scotland's place in Europe. Thank you. It's a pleasure to make a

:29:49.:29:52.

contribution to this debate. As someone who grew up in horticulture

:29:53.:29:58.

environment in Wiltshire, I see agriculture and horticulture as

:29:59.:30:02.

absolutely key to the rural economy and this is a time of uncertainty.

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If in a business, any business, 50-50% of your current income will

:30:10.:30:19.

end, we were told to 3-4 years. -- 50-60%. You would feel uncertainty.

:30:20.:30:22.

Against that, all the conversations I have had over the last five, six

:30:23.:30:28.

or seven years in and around Salisbury, there is a frustration to

:30:29.:30:36.

delay the CAP upgraded. Every time I met with farmers. -- operated. There

:30:37.:30:41.

was a difficulty that had not been ever comes. They wanted to see a

:30:42.:30:47.

change that was not happening. We must now grasp the opportunities

:30:48.:30:50.

that exist. -- overcome. Opportunities do exist and we must

:30:51.:30:57.

make good on them. We have to remember that 60% of all food eaten

:30:58.:31:02.

in the EU comes from this country. 70% of the UK a land mass is managed

:31:03.:31:06.

by those working in the rural economy. The rural economy

:31:07.:31:13.

contributes ?100 billion to the economy each year. These are

:31:14.:31:16.

significant sums and he have to be ambitious and the of reforms that we

:31:17.:31:25.

bring to the new funding mechanisms. -- sort of. We have been given

:31:26.:31:28.

reassurances over the years but we have evolved as Seattle evolved for

:31:29.:31:34.

the future agriculture to deliver more and demand more. We have to say

:31:35.:31:40.

to those that are frustrated with underfunding and under delivery of

:31:41.:31:44.

rural services that we can do more in return for more productive

:31:45.:31:52.

sector. I just wanted to mention the issue of access to the right skills,

:31:53.:31:56.

because it is absolutely clear to me when I visit, and I visited last

:31:57.:32:08.

year a fish gutting plant and none of the -- on the wall were in

:32:09.:32:15.

English, they were in peril because everyone there was brought up from

:32:16.:32:20.

Southampton. We need to make sure we do this well because despite great

:32:21.:32:24.

agricultural colleges in Hampshire and Wiltshire, we are not dividing

:32:25.:32:31.

the -- providing the skills needed to home-grown youths. We need to

:32:32.:32:35.

make sure we answer the question that many farmers are asking me of

:32:36.:32:40.

how to ensure access to the skills needed in this vital sector. They

:32:41.:32:44.

should be a time of optimism for the industry to release the burden of

:32:45.:32:50.

all those issues that have been so difficult for farming for so long.

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Thank you very much. Can I say, firstly, coming from the rural

:32:59.:33:04.

constituency, mainly rural constituency of the mana and south

:33:05.:33:10.

Tyrone in Northern Ireland, the European Union has provided a great

:33:11.:33:17.

support to the rural community. -- Fermanagh and South Tyrone. Many

:33:18.:33:23.

fishermen and business recognise this, but we have to ask, at what

:33:24.:33:30.

cost? Particularly in European regulation directive. I must say the

:33:31.:33:34.

additional paperwork and regulations, directives coming from

:33:35.:33:38.

Europe, many farmers and rural businesses are saying, is it worth

:33:39.:33:42.

it? Minister and serene, no, it is not. Simply because they add to --

:33:43.:33:57.

nosed are and serene -- most are answering no. I highlight this in a

:33:58.:34:02.

very proactive way. I thought it was very interesting as a prospect. When

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the accident the European Union, and we, and then and that the red tape

:34:07.:34:12.

and bureaucracy that has currently come with European regulation,

:34:13.:34:16.

particularly through the Common agricultural policy, is not followed

:34:17.:34:23.

through by the United Kingdom and indeed the devolved institutions. I

:34:24.:34:26.

do want to quote a view issues around this, and the most attractive

:34:27.:34:31.

report I have read comes from the Scottish Government in something

:34:32.:34:38.

that was published in August 2014. This indicates, we believe the

:34:39.:34:43.

European Union Commissioner and as a fair culture to be compliant with a

:34:44.:34:52.

complex set of regulations. That fair culture translates through the

:34:53.:34:56.

agencies where they hear the sound, the inspectors, where there is a

:34:57.:35:03.

fear of an fear. And they fear of various and penalties. I commend the

:35:04.:35:08.

Scottish Government from being so open, honest and true about the

:35:09.:35:14.

regulations and how it affects their farmers and rural communities, and

:35:15.:35:20.

it goes on to say... Sorry, it doesn't particularly crowded but

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they are hugely critical of the penalties is then that is imposed

:35:25.:35:27.

the common agricultural policy, mainly due to that fair culture that

:35:28.:35:30.

is imposed through the European Union commission.

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So I say, members and deputy Speaker, whatever happens when we

:35:38.:35:43.

exit with Brexit, the one thing I plea is to not follow through on

:35:44.:35:46.

those regulations and directives other countries in the European

:35:47.:35:50.

Union do not impose but we here in the United Kingdom have to impose

:35:51.:35:58.

them. Thank you. Thank you, Madame Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure to

:35:59.:36:01.

make a contribution to this debate. It is clear from my perspective that

:36:02.:36:06.

our rural economy has not fared well during our time as a member of the

:36:07.:36:11.

EU. But there is one thing I would say that has been even worse for the

:36:12.:36:16.

rural economy than being part of the EU and that is 13 years of Labour

:36:17.:36:21.

Government, and it is quite laughable the front bench

:36:22.:36:23.

spokesperson on the other side suggested that rural Britain has

:36:24.:36:29.

something to fear from a Tory Government. I can tell you from

:36:30.:36:33.

Cornwall that 13 years of Labour did no favours for our rural economy

:36:34.:36:37.

whatsoever. You know, we need to understand leaving the EU presents

:36:38.:36:44.

us with some great opportunities for rural Britain. As has already been

:36:45.:36:49.

touched on, much of our rural economy is dominated by agriculture

:36:50.:36:53.

and indeed fishing and neither have been able to thrive the way I

:36:54.:36:56.

believe they are able to whilst we have been part of the EU. The "One

:36:57.:37:04.

size fits all" Common agricultural and fishing policy where we have to

:37:05.:37:08.

take into consideration all 28 member states simply does not work

:37:09.:37:11.

for Britain. The British countryside is unique. There is nowhere else

:37:12.:37:20.

like it in the EU, and leaving allows others to develop policies

:37:21.:37:25.

for agriculture, fisheries, and manage and invest in our countryside

:37:26.:37:29.

that will make it fit for the British countryside and rural

:37:30.:37:33.

communities and I believe that is a great opportunity we face now that

:37:34.:37:36.

we have decided to leave and we can make the most of that. One question

:37:37.:37:40.

I am often asked in terms of Cornwall, what will replace the

:37:41.:37:43.

European funding we have had? The hundreds of millions of pounds we

:37:44.:37:48.

have had from EU are not or should I say through the EU, that has come to

:37:49.:37:54.

Cornwall? Let's remember that money is British taxpayers' money recycled

:37:55.:37:57.

through the European Union and it comes with strings attached and a

:37:58.:38:06.

heavy bureaucracy we are not able to invest -- that means they cannot

:38:07.:38:09.

invest in the things we need to invest in. We will have a regional

:38:10.:38:13.

development fund set for the UK, fit for Cornwall, so we can spend on the

:38:14.:38:17.

things we want to spend on and the things Cornwall needs us to spend it

:38:18.:38:21.

on without the box ticking and bureaucratic form filling so many

:38:22.:38:23.

businesses find they have to do just to qualify for the grant. I am

:38:24.:38:28.

confident Cornwall and rural communities across Britain will have

:38:29.:38:31.

the opportunity to thrive, to trade with the world once again. You know,

:38:32.:38:36.

we seem to think when we leave you suddenly the EU. Wanting to buy our

:38:37.:38:40.

world-class produce. Of course the EU will still want Cornish clotted

:38:41.:38:47.

cream! And Cornish seafood, but it will give us the opportunity to

:38:48.:38:50.

trade with emerging markets around the world such as China where there

:38:51.:38:53.

is a growing demand so I am confident. I will happily give way.

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Order. The end of the three minutes. Thank you, Madam Speaker. The

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hardest of hide Brexits, and what will be remembered as perhaps the

:39:11.:39:14.

biggest act of economic self flagellation ever inflicted upon our

:39:15.:39:18.

nation, that is what this is. It will practically crucify the rural

:39:19.:39:23.

economy. If we are indulging in this hard Brexit as some sort of lofty

:39:24.:39:28.

ideal, tackling global injustice, trying to improve the conditions of

:39:29.:39:32.

the poorest in the world, I think we could just about -- I could just

:39:33.:39:37.

about stomach it. But, no, we are indulging in this self harm because

:39:38.:39:40.

the UK does not like immigrants. It is the one issue, the dominant

:39:41.:39:44.

issue, and it takes precedent over all others when it comes to exiting

:39:45.:39:49.

the European Union. We live in a global interconnected world where

:39:50.:39:53.

the movement of peoples has never been so profound, but the new global

:39:54.:39:57.

Britain is about to raise the drawbridge and ensure nobody comes

:39:58.:40:02.

in here. It is the Nigel Farages and the hard right of the Tory party,

:40:03.:40:06.

there are few and fishing, that we'll now inform this place about

:40:07.:40:12.

how the country will progress. And I am so proud that my nation voted

:40:13.:40:17.

overwhelmingly to remain within the European Union. I will do absolutely

:40:18.:40:22.

everything that I can to ensure that my nation's decision on that is

:40:23.:40:27.

respected and progressed, and I am proud of the people of North

:40:28.:40:29.

Perthshire who also voted overwhelmingly to remain within the

:40:30.:40:34.

EU. My constituency is practically totally rural. Some fine hill

:40:35.:40:39.

farming in Perthshire, some of Scotland's finest arable land, and

:40:40.:40:43.

Perth city was once the centre of the agricultural administration of

:40:44.:40:46.

Scotland. All of these activities are reliant on support from the EU,

:40:47.:40:52.

all of these industries depend upon international trade and European

:40:53.:40:55.

support. Farmers in my constituency have come to me very concerned about

:40:56.:41:06.

what is going to happen with their future, and the news that one in

:41:07.:41:08.

five Scottish farmers and crofters are intending to quit farming

:41:09.:41:10.

because of the concerns over Brexit should alarm and greatly concerned

:41:11.:41:13.

this House. I have the world renowned pressure dairy sector in my

:41:14.:41:15.

constituency, with no better strawberries raspberries or just

:41:16.:41:25.

anywhere in the world -- Purser Berry Sector. My fair for is to be

:41:26.:41:32.

put at ease by announcing the renewal of this team. I went around

:41:33.:41:38.

my hotel industry in Pitlochry, all of which are dependent on European

:41:39.:41:42.

workers to maintain their business and all are under severe threat and

:41:43.:41:45.

concerned about what will happen now. If England wants to indulge in

:41:46.:41:49.

this economic self harm, that is it to them. Our country in Scotland now

:41:50.:41:53.

has to be listened to. We have decided something else. Our view now

:41:54.:41:57.

has to be respected and listened to. We have alternatives, Madame Deputy

:41:58.:42:02.

Speaker, and I encourage the people of Scotland to have a close look at

:42:03.:42:08.

them now. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Looking at the statistics of the

:42:09.:42:11.

referendum it is evident the vast number of rural areas voted to leave

:42:12.:42:15.

the EU. A decision those of us in this place must respect, but we

:42:16.:42:18.

should also ask why that was, although I feel that is for another

:42:19.:42:24.

day. Now on the cost of triggering Article 50, I welcome the debate

:42:25.:42:27.

called by the members opposite. It indeed even agree with certain

:42:28.:42:32.

areas, that we must do all we can to support our vitally important rural

:42:33.:42:36.

areas -- I indeed even agree. We agree the rural economy is vital to

:42:37.:42:40.

the UK economy at large, that security is key, along with the

:42:41.:42:44.

rural way of life. But sadly it is here our past diverse. I read the

:42:45.:42:50.

motion tabled by the SNP and take umbrage literally at the first word

:42:51.:42:55.

of the title. What does it say about an opposition party that uses the

:42:56.:43:00.

word of friends when speaking about Brexit and the rural economy rather

:43:01.:43:04.

than the opportunities Brexit presents. It seems to want to do

:43:05.:43:09.

down the rural areas from the start -- the word offence. If nothing else

:43:10.:43:16.

Brexit presents opportunities for our rural economy and forestry -- on

:43:17.:43:25.

forestry, tourism, and other areas. A major issue I hear travelling

:43:26.:43:29.

around my constituency is the effect on the single farm payment of

:43:30.:43:32.

leaving the EU, but I cannot help but think there is a great

:43:33.:43:36.

opportunity here for Britain. Clearly, and I am sure the whole

:43:37.:43:40.

House agrees on this, that one thing is sure, there is nothing comment

:43:41.:43:42.

about the Common Agricultural Policy. So, Madame Deputy Speaker,

:43:43.:43:48.

time is against us and it is clear there are two sides to this debate

:43:49.:43:53.

and two alone. Those who want to do down our farmers as nothing more

:43:54.:43:56.

than a subsidy, and those who believe our farmers have the

:43:57.:44:00.

capacity to be more... To be the most innovative in the world. There

:44:01.:44:05.

are those who want to do down our rural areas as wholly reliant on the

:44:06.:44:09.

EU, and there are those who want to do it our rural areas as areas that

:44:10.:44:15.

can flourish, there are those who seek nothing but their own

:44:16.:44:19.

self-created negativity towards Brexit and there are those who see

:44:20.:44:24.

nothing else but the opportunity it will provide. Madame Deputy Speaker,

:44:25.:44:28.

after the Brexit vote last year, we are now in the possession of the

:44:29.:44:32.

ambition our American countries have held for over 300 years, but we can

:44:33.:44:39.

truly state Great Britain is the land of opportunity, and now is the

:44:40.:44:42.

time to capitalise on that. All that matters is we go into our

:44:43.:44:46.

negotiations with the right attitude and we protect our rural economy for

:44:47.:44:55.

the long-term. The Government amendment speaks of continuity and

:44:56.:45:00.

certainty, the 2020. That is two years away. People fear uncertainty

:45:01.:45:03.

and the rural communities I represent are afraid the certainty

:45:04.:45:07.

underpinning their way of life are to be swept away. -- the

:45:08.:45:13.

certainties. Farming is difficult, very difficult profession, requiring

:45:14.:45:16.

commitment to a lifestyle that is almost unmatched and yet the

:45:17.:45:19.

economic impact of farming in my communities is far wider than quite

:45:20.:45:23.

possibly appreciative. In Wales, upland farm profits fell last year

:45:24.:45:28.

to ?21,900. Meaning around 60% of farms either made a loss would have

:45:29.:45:33.

done so without support. Despite this last year, the 10,000 or so

:45:34.:45:37.

farmed businesses in Wales paid employees and other businesses are

:45:38.:45:41.

around three times as much as they made. Many Welsh communities are

:45:42.:45:47.

dependent on the rural economy for their year-round existence. The

:45:48.:45:51.

Welsh language and the culture and traditions of Wales are rigid in

:45:52.:45:59.

these communities -- are rooted in these communities, and their future

:46:00.:46:02.

is at risk. It brings me to my next point. The much maligned EU Common

:46:03.:46:07.

Agricultural Policy. Undoubtedly this financial support mechanism is

:46:08.:46:12.

not perfect. It's mechanism and a demonstration could clearly be

:46:13.:46:14.

improved but what we have heard so far from the Government does not

:46:15.:46:18.

offer us much hope of an improved model. Of course farmers do not want

:46:19.:46:22.

to have to rely on direct payments but a legacy of 60 years of

:46:23.:46:28.

policy-making in at cultivating a plentiful and secure food supply

:46:29.:46:31.

means the returns from the market are simply too low to sustain

:46:32.:46:35.

livestock businesses. If we slash and burn the support mechanisms we

:46:36.:46:41.

afford our already struggling farms we are not only risking our food

:46:42.:46:44.

supply but the future of our rural communities and the industries they

:46:45.:46:49.

support. Wales is around 5% of the UK population but the seas around

:46:50.:46:53.

12% of the EU funds flowing to the UK. Not only is this a result of its

:46:54.:46:58.

considerably more of rural society because of the less profitable

:46:59.:47:01.

livestock hill farming of wheels receiving a far greater share of CAP

:47:02.:47:06.

compared to southern England -- but it receives around 12%. They must

:47:07.:47:15.

receive guarantees now they will not suffer any loss of support. I would

:47:16.:47:18.

like to call on the Government to do something radical. I want them to

:47:19.:47:21.

slow down and think. Too close, policies must be evidence -based

:47:22.:47:24.

rather than the product of idealistic aspirations and clever

:47:25.:47:29.

sounding buzzwords. A clean Brexit chimes with a clean break but no

:47:30.:47:35.

rhetorical flourish chimes with those who will end up broken. I am

:47:36.:47:39.

therefore calling on the Government to maintain direct payments and

:47:40.:47:42.

budgets and ring fence the monies until we have found a realistic way

:47:43.:47:46.

of replacing them, and to guarantee there will be no power grab from the

:47:47.:47:50.

nation of Wales, as I was told recently if they want to do to the

:47:51.:47:53.

rural communities what they did to the minors, let them do so with

:47:54.:48:03.

their eyes open. -- the miners. My constituency voted more than any

:48:04.:48:06.

other to leave the European Union but what was not said in this debate

:48:07.:48:10.

is it is the rural parts of Wales that overwhelmingly voted to take

:48:11.:48:13.

back control. These are the parts of the country for whom democracy today

:48:14.:48:19.

is working. What the rural UK voted for, it is getting. If you remain a

:48:20.:48:24.

Remain, behind the times, it may be, it is appropriate to ask first what

:48:25.:48:31.

rural Britain voted for -- if you remain a Remainer. There are three

:48:32.:48:38.

things. Although rural committees have been powered by workers from

:48:39.:48:45.

the EU or Eastern Europe, the consensus of the British people was

:48:46.:48:51.

a key factor. By some estimates the third-largest population there is

:48:52.:48:53.

Eastern Europe, hard-working men and women in the main paying taxes and

:48:54.:48:56.

working hard in all weathers but that is not a change there then

:48:57.:49:00.

Labour Government plan for or that the constituency ever voted for, a

:49:01.:49:04.

key impact of voting to leave the EU should not make any individual feel

:49:05.:49:09.

unwelcome, as I have said many times in this House, but it should be the

:49:10.:49:14.

restoration partly in the rural economy of simple self determination

:49:15.:49:17.

for environment, regulation or the workforce. No party went to the

:49:18.:49:21.

country on a manifesto that said market towns across the East of

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England would see huge changes in numbers that would result in serious

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pressures on public services, and if they had they might not have won.

:49:28.:49:34.

Immigration was a key issue in my constituency but I hope one impact

:49:35.:49:37.

of Brexit will be the restoration of some form of seasonal work Visa

:49:38.:49:43.

scheme that replicates that which we had until relatively recently, that

:49:44.:49:47.

means people are able to come, work and pay taxes if the job is already

:49:48.:49:53.

lined up. Secondly, we should point out there has been an impact on the

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supply of labour already in constituencies such as mine. Already

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in my error there is not the abundance of minimum wage labour

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there once was -- in my area. I would beg to submit this will

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combine with the more than laudable impact of the national living wage

:50:14.:50:18.

to create a third condition, and that, I suspect, will be a renewed

:50:19.:50:25.

push for further mechanisation and automation as labour supply changes

:50:26.:50:27.

and technology gets more powerful. If you will forgive me, the Brussels

:50:28.:50:34.

sprouts in my constituency will become guinea pigs, for new research

:50:35.:50:37.

into how we make growing and picking them even more affordable for

:50:38.:50:42.

businesses often working on the Russia sleep tight margins thanks in

:50:43.:50:45.

part to our supermarkets. We will see a rise of the rural but -- rise

:50:46.:51:00.

of the rural robots. We have a huge potential to seize that industrial

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revolution and to take back the control my constituents voted for.

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Thank you for the opportunity. The one gallantry I think we can assume

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is that we will return to the issues again, again and again. Not least

:51:20.:51:25.

those of us who represent rural constituencies because I don't think

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anyone would down the passion on this debate of the issues, concerns

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and not least the issue of the hard Brexit we have heard about today.

:51:35.:51:41.

Farming is critical to the local economy and the sustainability of

:51:42.:51:43.

our rural communities. Live honourable friend, and the point

:51:44.:51:50.

from the SNP benches and that the loss of trade, the a lot of business

:51:51.:51:54.

on the broader, wider community should not be lost. Farming is

:51:55.:52:05.

crucial to Wales at' a colony. It is described as Wales' Alaska great

:52:06.:52:15.

economy. -- lasts. -- economy. 13% of the people in my constituency are

:52:16.:52:19.

employed in the land. It has a hugely significant effect on the

:52:20.:52:24.

broader economy. The UK's food and bring sector as a whole, the fourth

:52:25.:52:30.

largest in our country with over ?12 billion the year to our economy. 72%

:52:31.:52:36.

of exports go to the EU. The Welsh figures are somewhat higher. One

:52:37.:52:43.

thing to say, the Government will keep negotiating cards close to

:52:44.:52:48.

their chest, but this doesn't mean that we should not know the

:52:49.:52:53.

long-term plans. Some businesses need to plan for years and have a

:52:54.:52:57.

time. The concern and anxiety is order of the day amongst the small

:52:58.:53:04.

hill farmers I represent in my constituency operating on margins, a

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support regime. Not something they want to exist in the duty but they

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are concerned that they could be on the edge of a cliff face if the rod

:53:13.:53:18.

is pulled from believe their feet with huge impact. I could go in

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Roberts, he said careful precise statements are needed now more than

:53:26.:53:32.

ever. . Glynn Roberts. Yes, guarantees about funding until 2020

:53:33.:53:37.

but a three-year window to plan your business is inadequate. They need to

:53:38.:53:40.

be greater. We need far greater certainty is than that. Further to

:53:41.:53:47.

the crowd from Glynn Roberts, the livestock which makes up the vast

:53:48.:53:52.

majority of Welsh farmers rely on exports to the continent as we have

:53:53.:53:56.

made clear since the referendum that full, unfettered access is essential

:53:57.:54:00.

to Wales. He goes onto say that a deal being flouted with expediency

:54:01.:54:12.

and gaining a martyr with 4.5 billion -- gaining a market with 4.5

:54:13.:54:17.

million... Food and farming are central to our national identity and

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a key part of the UK's economy, generating ?10 billion per year and

:54:22.:54:24.

employing one in eight people across the country. Some of those are

:54:25.:54:30.

employed on the small but none the less any less important number of

:54:31.:54:37.

farms. -- none the less important. When debating farming and fisheries,

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in what is set out today before us, I think it's important that we

:54:46.:54:48.

recognise all farmers, the role that they play as a managing the

:54:49.:54:52.

countryside wherever that is in the UK and the way that they do. I come

:54:53.:54:57.

from a farming background. My dad worked in farming for about 40 years

:54:58.:55:02.

and he's probably never had a mention in this place before.

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Farming China is not a 9-5 job, Monday to Friday, for many. -- The

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farming I know. And it can be challenging. That's why the

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Government preparing tea leave the EU and guaranteeing that during

:55:24.:55:26.

levels of agricultural support will be maintained until 2020 is... I'm

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grateful. Does my honourable friend join me in being very pleased that

:55:33.:55:40.

agriculture will be at the centre future trade negotiations with the

:55:41.:55:42.

EU and US the world? Thank you. My hands it to that is short and

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simple. Yes. Going onto my point of agricultural support being

:55:50.:55:54.

maintained until 2020. -- answer. While a new agricultural policy is

:55:55.:55:59.

being developed, and by guaranteeing for their lifetime, any environment

:56:00.:56:02.

dealings in place already are agreed in the future, even if they run

:56:03.:56:08.

beyond our departure from the EU. Scheme. Anything we can do to help

:56:09.:56:13.

build a sense of fidelity will be good for the industry. One of the

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issues... I'm going to continue because I know we are short of time.

:56:19.:56:21.

One of the issues that local farmers have raised with me is that of

:56:22.:56:26.

workforce will not a need to attract the next generation which is why the

:56:27.:56:31.

stability matters. Although ensuring the agriculture sector has the

:56:32.:56:34.

workforce it need for delay and that is why it's so important to

:56:35.:56:38.

recognise what the PM has said in that she was to protect the stages

:56:39.:56:45.

of EU national already living here. Turning more directly to the nation

:56:46.:56:51.

in front of our today from the opposition, I do feel, mandated

:56:52.:56:53.

beauties DJ, that it is disappointing to read that the

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primary focus is on farming and fisheries. -- Madam Deputy Speaker.

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It is vital that the comments even today, let's not forget there is

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also true is in a rural economy. The many, many SMEes and sector is come

:57:14.:57:17.

together to form the backbone of our economy. -- SMEs. It is a part of

:57:18.:57:25.

economy as a whole and we, on the file house, continue to build and

:57:26.:57:28.

strengthen it further. In the Brexit a rare, I accept there will be

:57:29.:57:39.

challenges. -- on this side. Also there will be opportunities. Let's

:57:40.:57:43.

go out and find them. Can I just say, before I bring in NXT agenda

:57:44.:57:47.

after the next DJ, there a limit of two minutes. If does make

:57:48.:57:53.

intervention, obviously the last few remaining speakers and a not

:57:54.:58:03.

actually get in. Asthma after the next -- after the next. I was firmly

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out. I have been in families of fishing for generations. All that

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was what made me revolt against the EU. I've been jailed that we are

:58:17.:58:21.

seeing massive schools of fish but there is no fish by the Census for

:58:22.:58:28.

birds to ensure because they didn't meet EU standards. -- boats. This

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did not aid our crews to do their jobs. I've had a lot of British

:58:33.:58:37.

fishermen be prevented from working to ease the European and out fishing

:58:38.:58:45.

at will. There has not been a problem any sea, but in Europe. A

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decline from my counsel that a representative. Can I commend our

:58:50.:58:56.

negotiators, the Secretary of State and Minister of State, to have every

:58:57.:59:00.

faith in their ability to view the job we want and look forward to

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supporting them in their entirety. When the Brexit to take place, I the

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agri-food in our area and discussed a post Brexit market with them. The

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Minister knows it, I met and I want to put it on record. When the

:59:20.:59:26.

minister visited Northern Ireland, we stick about expanding with much

:59:27.:59:30.

success beyond our shores. Signing new contract again, an indication of

:59:31.:59:35.

how much they look forward to the future. Increasing market value,

:59:36.:59:42.

profits. All things from my area that may have had concerned, the ice

:59:43.:59:49.

cream parlour, places that will do well. The impact on rural economy

:59:50.:59:53.

will come down to our trading power and the fact that the import so much

:59:54.:59:59.

from the EU surely gives strength to ensure a fair return on our trade.

:00:00.:00:02.

The good things we will have when leaving the EU, when it comes to

:00:03.:00:07.

fishing and farming as well, these are the issues that will affect our

:00:08.:00:11.

rule economy. These are the factors they might consider and most

:00:12.:00:15.

importantly, the Brexit team must consider them as well. I know the

:00:16.:00:19.

team is under no illusion about the difficulty of finding the right plan

:00:20.:00:22.

for the majority of fishermen, farmers, producers, but this is an

:00:23.:00:28.

opportunity and it is one, whenever really the EU, that cannot be

:00:29.:00:32.

wasted, we can't look back and say we should have done it in a

:00:33.:00:35.

different way. Let us do right way now. The people have spoken across

:00:36.:00:40.

the United Kingdom collectively to leave the EU. We must now work on

:00:41.:00:46.

their behalf to bring a strong, rural community that benefits from

:00:47.:00:49.

the decision taken. This is our challenge. And we are two X? I

:00:50.:01:00.

believe we are. -- are really up to it? . Great market towns, the

:01:01.:01:03.

beautiful seaside, old-fashioned seaside towns. The stunning North

:01:04.:01:11.

York Moors National Park Llinos and beautiful in the land, I say. There

:01:12.:01:17.

is magnificent in landscapes Dimsdale farming, of course, but

:01:18.:01:27.

also foods and Malton festivals. -- conceal. Superb jazz to ice cream.

:01:28.:01:37.

Take and pork producers. -- gelato. Other businesses you may not expect,

:01:38.:01:41.

like precision engineering run by Christopher Shaw. Silotech. These

:01:42.:01:49.

people get up early, travelled the world, they are not lazy, they are

:01:50.:01:54.

hard-working and confident of taking their products to the world. The one

:01:55.:02:00.

thing they do want across the world is a level playing field. They are

:02:01.:02:04.

excited by the future but we need to be realistic in this country. Quite

:02:05.:02:12.

rightly, we have strong regulations on our businesses in terms of

:02:13.:02:15.

workplace, comment on the environment animal welfare. If we do

:02:16.:02:20.

trade deals elsewhere, we must feel that we are on a level playing field

:02:21.:02:28.

with businesses in other nations to make sure that our businesses are

:02:29.:02:34.

not at a competitive disadvantage. Also a level playing field in the

:02:35.:02:38.

United Kingdom. Our rural areas in North Yorkshire do not get the level

:02:39.:02:42.

of investment and infrastructure we see another part of the country.

:02:43.:02:47.

Around half on transport project and broadband. All I would ask, and a

:02:48.:02:52.

half of my constituents, they see the world as an opportunity but what

:02:53.:03:04.

a level playing field. -- wants. That is where any agreement with my

:03:05.:03:09.

Scottish colleagues ends, talking about the stuff that was made there.

:03:10.:03:14.

I represent Taunton Deane, a rule constituency, where farmers,

:03:15.:03:19.

umbrellas, rural businesses are the backbone of our economy. The farm

:03:20.:03:26.

business brings in ?7 million and 2200 people work in the food and

:03:27.:03:30.

drink trade. There was also the old aborted trade as well. Leaving the

:03:31.:03:36.

EU an enormous opportunity for all of these businesses, providing we

:03:37.:03:39.

have the framework and the right backing from this Government. I

:03:40.:03:43.

believe in the Prime Minister's statement today about 70, the new,

:03:44.:03:47.

global Britain and that we have been set on the right track. The

:03:48.:03:52.

south-west is perfectly placed to take advantage of these

:03:53.:03:57.

opportunities. Which region wins on exporting the mayors and having the

:03:58.:04:01.

next contract? Well, it is the south west. We are fully set to take

:04:02.:04:09.

advantage of leaving Europe. We will build on this. I agree, Madam Deputy

:04:10.:04:21.

Speaker, we must not... We must not re-form the CAP. The affiliates and

:04:22.:04:25.

a better place than we found it. We must build a framework at home that

:04:26.:04:29.

enables all businesses to be strong in this world aside from leaving

:04:30.:04:35.

Europe, if we can do that, we can build on a global market, which is

:04:36.:04:39.

why I applaud this Government's pouring money into infrastructure

:04:40.:04:45.

for Taunton Deane, the A358, rail projects, digital services. All of

:04:46.:04:51.

these things will help us to build an environment that works for

:04:52.:04:54.

everyone on a farm economy that works for everyone and a rural

:04:55.:04:57.

industry that, contrary to what we hear from the opposite benches, will

:04:58.:04:59.

thrive. I wanted to make a couple of

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remarks. I've sat through this whole debate and how the contributions but

:05:09.:05:12.

nobody on the SNP side actually thought that leaving the EU would a

:05:13.:05:18.

good thing, and that seems very interesting, because one of the

:05:19.:05:21.

curiosities of first past the post is that 38% of Scotland actually

:05:22.:05:30.

voted to leave the EU but because we have that process, which I have

:05:31.:05:34.

defended, the SNP were entirely negative about the prospect of

:05:35.:05:46.

leaving the EU, and they have and I think in Zimbabwe they would be very

:05:47.:05:49.

proud of. They are simply not representing the full range of

:05:50.:05:53.

Scottish opinion. In my brief time I want to make a very obvious point.

:05:54.:06:01.

For every pound we receive from the EU we put ?2 in, that is what being

:06:02.:06:08.

a net contributor means. Any basis on which leaving the EU is a bad

:06:09.:06:11.

thing in terms of subsidies, we can more than compensate from our own

:06:12.:06:15.

budget, and the point about that is that that is something we can decide

:06:16.:06:20.

for ourselves in this UK Parliament. The other thing I would say, the

:06:21.:06:24.

last comment, you would think British industry never had a British

:06:25.:06:31.

agricultural policy, that it never had a future before or really a

:06:32.:06:38.

thriving successful past before we joined the EEC in 1975. There was a

:06:39.:06:43.

British farming industry and business for a thousand years before

:06:44.:06:46.

that and actually if the party 's opposite knew their history, and I

:06:47.:06:50.

am surprised the Labour Party has not mention this, the Labour Party

:06:51.:06:54.

brought in an agriculture act in 1947 which actually was the

:06:55.:06:57.

underpinning of British agriculture, very successful act, before we

:06:58.:07:02.

joined the EEC, yet none of this is remembered and we just have doom and

:07:03.:07:05.

gloom from the Party brought in and agriculture act in 1947 which

:07:06.:07:07.

actually was the underpinning of British agriculture, very successful

:07:08.:07:09.

act, before we joined the EEC, yet none of this is remembered and we

:07:10.:07:12.

just have doom and gloom from the parties opposite. Thank you, Madam

:07:13.:07:14.

Speaker. I am delighted to represent a beautiful part of the constituency

:07:15.:07:18.

but it is incumbent on us all to remember although the country is

:07:19.:07:22.

beautiful it is not a museum. There are a very real jobs there, people's

:07:23.:07:27.

very real livelihoods, and that is extremely important. In the very

:07:28.:07:30.

brief time available to me I would like to make one point. The minister

:07:31.:07:35.

will no doubt remember there is a pioneering work going on in my

:07:36.:07:39.

constituency at Sunnydale farm she has visited with me, and only

:07:40.:07:46.

recently I went to visit a little bit in Milton under Wychwood which

:07:47.:07:50.

is taking this scheme to a very real and practical end. A partnership of

:07:51.:07:56.

local landowners, the community and the Environment Agency working

:07:57.:08:01.

together on upstream flood storage in the valley, and these measures

:08:02.:08:07.

include tree-planting, re-routing of streams to follow their natural

:08:08.:08:10.

causes, and I turned to this point for one good and clear purpose.

:08:11.:08:15.

There is an economic benefit to this as well as environmental. Fruit

:08:16.:08:19.

trees create the fruit industry, they create word that can be

:08:20.:08:24.

harvested for the local community, it enables local sustainable

:08:25.:08:28.

businesses to create jobs and money. Little stock book is essentially an

:08:29.:08:33.

open-air laboratory and the reason I mention it is because of the way the

:08:34.:08:39.

CAP is funded it makes it difficult for small community endeavours such

:08:40.:08:42.

as this to gain the funding they need because they tend to favour a

:08:43.:08:48.

very big schemes and land owners. Leaving the CAP gives us a golden

:08:49.:08:54.

opportunity to rework these schemes so it works for all. So the

:08:55.:08:57.

landowners in our communities are easily able to access the funding

:08:58.:09:01.

they need rather than having environmental schemes packed on as

:09:02.:09:06.

an afterthought. As the minister said earlier, these schemes can be

:09:07.:09:09.

at the heart of it from the very beginning. Thank you. Thank you,

:09:10.:09:16.

Madam Speaker. Before I begin I should declare an interest as an

:09:17.:09:19.

active crofter. Can I congratulate all of my honourable friends who

:09:20.:09:23.

have spoken so passionately about the threats to our rural economies.

:09:24.:09:28.

It is a real concern, about what the future holds for many of us. For us,

:09:29.:09:34.

Europe and the Single Market is about opportunities for growth,

:09:35.:09:38.

investment and jobs. It is about the best opportunity to create

:09:39.:09:41.

sustainable economic growth, playing to our strengths, to benefit from

:09:42.:09:46.

the Single Market. Our opportunity to create a vibrant prosperous

:09:47.:09:50.

economy hinges on access to the Single Market. It is a foundation

:09:51.:09:56.

stone of our desire to enhance our productive potential and deliver

:09:57.:10:00.

strong sustainable growth. For Scotland to succeed, we need

:10:01.:10:05.

additional labour. This is no more so than in the Highlands. We need

:10:06.:10:09.

people who want to be part of our story and help us deliver that

:10:10.:10:13.

modern vibrant economy to stop we want free movement of people. Why

:10:14.:10:19.

would we want to remove ourselves from this opportunity? Sadly, I must

:10:20.:10:23.

apologise. I do not have time. What the Prime Minister should come clean

:10:24.:10:27.

about is that a hard Brexit means uncertainty for investment, it means

:10:28.:10:35.

a threat to jobs and for trading -- for those trading with the EU, it

:10:36.:10:39.

means a threat to that. Madame Deputy Speaker, sterling is down as

:10:40.:10:43.

a consequence of Brexit. Make no mistake. Inflation is on the rise

:10:44.:10:48.

and it is driven by a fall in sterling. We will have higher

:10:49.:10:52.

inflation as the cost of imports reflects the fall in the value of

:10:53.:11:00.

the pound. Inflation rose to 1.6%, the highest level since July 2014.

:11:01.:11:06.

Having seen real wages rise over the last couple of years, rising

:11:07.:11:13.

inflation is going to choke off any rise in real wage growth. The Prime

:11:14.:11:17.

Minister speaks of one thing to trade with Europe, but as a simple

:11:18.:11:21.

answer that the best route to trade with Europe is by retaining access

:11:22.:11:25.

to the Single Market. You cannot walk away from market access and

:11:26.:11:29.

expect to put a solution back on the table again quickly. There will be a

:11:30.:11:34.

cost, and that cost will be higher costs of participation and lost

:11:35.:11:41.

jobs. Let me take an industry that is important in Ross, Skye and

:11:42.:11:44.

Lochaber, salmon farming. As members of the Single Market we have tariff

:11:45.:11:53.

free access. At five of 2% and salmon sold into the Single Market

:11:54.:11:58.

as a consequence, but guitarist for nonmembers is 8% for access to

:11:59.:12:03.

Europe. That is the threat for our fish farming sector, if we're to see

:12:04.:12:06.

the ending of access to the single -- but a tariff for nonmembers. In

:12:07.:12:14.

2015 exports to the EU represented 69% of Scotland's overall food

:12:15.:12:18.

exports. There is clearly a threat to Paris to these exports. That is a

:12:19.:12:22.

price that is simply not worth paying. Why would we willingly seek

:12:23.:12:29.

to disadvantage Scottish seafood producers and farmers and crofters?

:12:30.:12:39.

-- a threat to tariffs. We have a plan to keep Scotland in the Single

:12:40.:12:42.

Market even if the rest of the UK weaves. The options brought forward

:12:43.:12:47.

by the devolved administrations, acknowledging Scotland delivered a

:12:48.:12:50.

clear message against leaving the EU and recognise that in our case we

:12:51.:12:57.

are demonstrating the importance of free movement and the Single Market

:12:58.:13:01.

to Scotland's economy. Our Government in Edinburgh is outward

:13:02.:13:04.

looking, internationalist and secure in seeing our destiny for Scotland

:13:05.:13:10.

as being part of the family in nations -- of nations in Europe was

:13:11.:13:13.

open, looking for people who stick to come to Scotland to work, study

:13:14.:13:18.

and invest, but critically to enrich our society from the contribution

:13:19.:13:22.

they can make as new Scots. Scotland looking outward whilst the UK wants

:13:23.:13:26.

to pull up the drawbridge. A UK where the welcome mat is no longer

:13:27.:13:30.

put out. I UK which is closed to Europe and European migration.

:13:31.:13:35.

Madame Deputy Speaker, it reminds me of the newspaper headline from the

:13:36.:13:41.

past. Fog in the Channel, continent cut off. The reality from hard

:13:42.:13:47.

Brexit is it will be the UK cut off, cut off from the Single Market, from

:13:48.:13:51.

European trade. Look at what the Prime Minister has said today and,

:13:52.:13:54.

you know, for the benches opposite it is a laughing matter, but there

:13:55.:13:59.

is a real threat to jobs and prosperity for people in Scotland.

:14:00.:14:03.

No access to the Single Market, it is the road to self-destruction.

:14:04.:14:09.

Contrast the inward looking turning your back on Europe message from the

:14:10.:14:12.

UK Government with the forward-looking document published

:14:13.:14:15.

by the Scottish Government in December. Scotland's place in

:14:16.:14:19.

Europe. A road map allowing us to work with the UK to achieve a

:14:20.:14:22.

settlement that respects the vote taken in the UK but seeks to protect

:14:23.:14:29.

our economic interests. A road map that respects the UK has voted to

:14:30.:14:33.

leave, but seeks an appreciation of our position that Scotland voted to

:14:34.:14:39.

remain. That is why when we see a UK Government that is so driven to take

:14:40.:14:43.

us out of the Single Market and to damage our rural economy that we

:14:44.:14:48.

say, not in our name. Let me be clear. Europe has been good for the

:14:49.:14:54.

Highlands and Islands. Europe recognised the importance of

:14:55.:14:57.

investing in the Highlands. Take the convergence funds, put in place in

:14:58.:15:03.

recognition of our more level support for Scottish farmers and

:15:04.:15:06.

crofters than was the case in most of Europe. Madame Deputy Speaker,

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223 million euros of extra funding are fair your period, granted to the

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UK, on a clear understanding -- a four year period. Understanding this

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would help Scottish crofters and farmers, but sadly the farming

:15:26.:15:28.

minister took a different view in 2014 and 2015. Scotland would only

:15:29.:15:32.

get a pro rata share, 16% of the total. Put simply, Scottish farmers

:15:33.:15:37.

and crofters were done out of funds by a Westminster Government that

:15:38.:15:41.

they failed to pass on, and the EU had met this to come to Scotland. It

:15:42.:15:46.

is not the Westminster Government, but it is fairness from Europe we

:15:47.:15:50.

were done out of. Europe wanted to help Scottish crofters and farmers

:15:51.:15:53.

but Westminster once again short-change them. They then farming

:15:54.:15:58.

Minister Owen Paterson promised a review of how the funds were to be

:15:59.:16:02.

allocated, and it was to take place in 2016. The honourable member, the

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current minister, confirmed this would take place after the devolved

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elections last May. Madame Deputy Speaker there has been no review. We

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need to say to the people of Scotland, you can contrast the

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behaviour of Europe and that sought by the Scottish crofters and

:16:22.:16:25.

farmers, that they were denied funds, not from Europe, but from

:16:26.:16:28.

Westminster. We were promised a review. It has not happened. It is

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little wonder we worry as to what will happen to our crofters and

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farmers post Brexit. Will the Minister guarantee to protect the

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existing CAP funding for Scottish farmers post 2020? Support from the

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CAP are meant to two third of total net farm income in Scotland. Between

:16:49.:16:54.

2014 and 2020 Scotland will receive around 4.6 billion euros in funding.

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We need an assurance that funding for farming and crofting will be

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ring fenced. In Scotland, 85% of our land is designated as less favoured

:17:05.:17:08.

areas, with a reliance on livestock production. We need to reassure

:17:09.:17:12.

farmers and crofters that active farming and crofting will be

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supported. Powers over farming and fishing must be devolved to the

:17:19.:17:21.

Scottish Parliament but it must come with a commitment to funding. We

:17:22.:17:27.

cannot be short-changed again. Creating sustainable communities,

:17:28.:17:29.

empowering communities of the Highlands and Islands, takes hard

:17:30.:17:33.

work. Our region is full of signs products ended by the EU -- project

:17:34.:17:41.

funded by the EU. Much infrastructure has benefited from

:17:42.:17:44.

the funding. The revival of the Gaelic language has been aided by EU

:17:45.:17:51.

funding, not least the college in sky. The Highlands Leader Funding

:17:52.:17:56.

Programme, ready to make contributions of 6.6 million into

:17:57.:17:59.

the Highlands this year. We need to know that will be supported. In

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summing up I should remind the Prime Minister the people of Scotland are

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sovereign. That has been the historic context for us. It is not

:18:08.:18:11.

parliamentary sovereignty but the sovereignty of our people. Will the

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Prime Minister work with us to protect Scotland's interests in

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retaining access to the Single Market? Let me say that. Failure to

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do so will mean the Union you cherish will be put to a fresh

:18:23.:18:27.

question. Respect Scotland, risk of the consequence that we will seize

:18:28.:18:31.

the day. A referendum on Scotland's future may be our only alternative

:18:32.:18:36.

if we are to protect Scotland from a hard Brexit.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. It's been an interesting debate and I'm grateful

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for the contributions from the ruble members. I hope to cover all points.

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Currently, ?200 billion of contributed to the economy. The

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contribution of the sector is as big as it is in the urban economy. As

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highlighted today, the sectors of food farming, fishing and tourism

:19:06.:19:11.

play a huge role in building rural community and preserving and

:19:12.:19:14.

protecting the environment. In particular, in the countryside,

:19:15.:19:17.

there are very many small businesses which cover all sorts of industries,

:19:18.:19:21.

says we hired proportionally than other areas. The rural economy is

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vibrant and diverse, but not without its challenges. Productivity in

:19:26.:19:30.

predominantly rural areas is bigger than urban areas. While saffron's

:19:31.:19:38.

responsibilities lie with England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland

:19:39.:19:45.

face similar challenges. -- Defra. That would be gay in the European

:19:46.:19:49.

Union and that is why we address them just now. We are trying to

:19:50.:19:53.

improve life opportunities for those living in rural areas. We have done

:19:54.:19:56.

much to support and who's the rural economy. Nine represent the mac

:19:57.:20:03.

enterprise zones were set up and more will be in April. This will get

:20:04.:20:12.

answers. -- enterprise zones. Funding development anyone got

:20:13.:20:16.

error. In the Autumn we doubled rural rate relief to 8% and little

:20:17.:20:19.

give a much-needed boost to 8% and little give a much-needed obesity

:20:20.:20:24.

businesses, saving them every year. We are... Many premises can now

:20:25.:20:30.

access to grow fat and broadband and it'll reach a higher level by next

:20:31.:20:36.

year. In addition to that, our universal service obligation of

:20:37.:20:39.

every premises and receiving 10 megabytes will be particularly

:20:40.:20:44.

important for the rural unity. Reform of the telecommunications

:20:45.:20:47.

Jerry is a key part of the Digital economy Bill going through

:20:48.:20:51.

Parliament and this is going to help increase rural coverage of mobile

:20:52.:20:53.

phones but also the provision of fibre. This will enable our industry

:20:54.:21:01.

to existing maths, grading and sharing equipment which will benefit

:21:02.:21:06.

mobile coverage in rural and the area is full of making it easier to

:21:07.:21:10.

work in rural areas. There are pilot programmes in Northumberland and

:21:11.:21:13.

Staffordshire providing 30 hours every child care for toddlers with a

:21:14.:21:20.

further roll-out set this year. Also through 30 hours free childcare, we

:21:21.:21:29.

will receive free funding raids, benefiting many rural areas. As my

:21:30.:21:32.

honourable friend from Macclesfield and Salisbury pointed out, there is

:21:33.:21:36.

a need to work on future skills and career farming is an attractive

:21:37.:21:39.

industry and provide the skills for employees. I can assure them of our

:21:40.:21:47.

Redmond to travel the number of apprenticeships to -- commitment to

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treble. Mr Speaker, my honourable friend, the Prime Minister, was

:21:56.:22:00.

clear today that we will pursue an ambitious devolved free-trade

:22:01.:22:02.

agreement with the European Union. It is important, she stated, that we

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are not seeking membership of the single market by the greatest

:22:06.:22:11.

possible access to it through a new, comprehensive, bold agreements. That

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Northern Ireland and England to make Northern Ireland and England to make

:22:18.:22:18.

sure they take full advantage of the economic opportunities we have

:22:19.:22:22.

today. There is been considerable discussion about devolution and, as

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the Prime Minister reiterated, this is important that the joint

:22:28.:22:32.

ministerial committee in EU negotiations has been established so

:22:33.:22:35.

ministers from each devolved administration can contribute to the

:22:36.:22:39.

process of planning our departure from the EU. As it has already been

:22:40.:22:42.

referred to, we have received a paper from the Scottish Government

:22:43.:22:45.

and will draw the receiving wantonly from the welsh common. Both will be

:22:46.:22:49.

considered. It's important to stress that our guiding principle is to

:22:50.:22:55.

ensure that, as the leave the EU, no barriers within our union are

:22:56.:23:00.

created and that means maintaining the necessary framework for our

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domestic markets, empowering the UK as an open, trading nation to strike

:23:05.:23:09.

the best trade deals around the world and protect our islands. As

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they do this, the Prime Minister has been absolutely clear that no

:23:13.:23:15.

decisions to be taken by the devolved administrations will be

:23:16.:23:19.

removed from them. It is very clear there will be no power grabbed. With

:23:20.:23:24.

regard to migrant workers, rated eight, as they drop plans to leave

:23:25.:23:28.

the EU, we are harnessing the industry's knowledge and experience,

:23:29.:23:32.

ensuring their voice is heard. As my honourable friend, the Secretary of

:23:33.:23:35.

State, indicated, access to labour is an important part of our

:23:36.:23:39.

discussions and we are committed to working in your industry to make

:23:40.:23:42.

sure they have the right people with the right skills. Arab EU nationals,

:23:43.:23:48.

rated by Scottish members, the Prime Minister reiterated again today he

:23:49.:23:51.

desired he this issue resolved. -- around. To see this issue. Regarding

:23:52.:24:01.

CAP payments, we want farmers to have that certainty and we have said

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they will receive the same level of financial trouble until 2020. I love

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the double of many honourable and right honourable members on the

:24:09.:24:14.

opportunities brought on agricultural policy, this led to the

:24:15.:24:16.

needs of this nation. There will be a Green paper published in due

:24:17.:24:20.

course, which will give everyone the opportunity to offer people on our

:24:21.:24:24.

future design. I like the thought of my honourable friend from Newbury,

:24:25.:24:28.

Right Honourable friend, who I would expect to get a good thoughts on as

:24:29.:24:34.

my predecessor, his three pronged approach of thinking of the

:24:35.:24:37.

agricultural and social objectives on small farmers will get a lot of

:24:38.:24:43.

support. With regards to CAP pellet two, the Government will also

:24:44.:24:47.

continue to guarantee funding for structural investment fund projects

:24:48.:24:49.

at before we leave and continuing after we have left. This includes

:24:50.:24:54.

the rural development programme and the maritime fisheries programme.

:24:55.:24:57.

Funding for these programmes of the honoured where they provide good

:24:58.:24:59.

value for money and are in line with the nitty-gritty priorities. These

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conditions will be applied in such a way that the current pipeline --

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strategic. Environment schemes beginning this month. The devolved

:25:10.:25:12.

administrations will sign of the investment fund under the current EU

:25:13.:25:16.

allocation. The Government will make sure they are funded to meet these

:25:17.:25:20.

commitments. On the issue of fisheries, we are continued them are

:25:21.:25:26.

committed to acting on the common fisheries policy and putting in

:25:27.:25:30.

place a new regime. We want users opportunity to make sure our

:25:31.:25:34.

industry is competitive and profitable, and that the environment

:25:35.:25:38.

is improved for future relations. The Government will continue to

:25:39.:25:43.

deliver this. Working closely with indices on deciding future rules. --

:25:44.:25:51.

on delivering this. Including the law on EC and the UN agreement. In

:25:52.:25:57.

terms of leaving the EU, we want to make our own decisions about how to

:25:58.:26:00.

deliver the policy objectives previously targeted by EU funding.

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As pointed out by several honourable members today, we have to make sure

:26:05.:26:11.

that the EU funding is UK taxpayer funding and how that is spent in due

:26:12.:26:15.

course. We will consult closely with stakeholders to reveal all EU

:26:16.:26:20.

funding schemes and ensure that any ongoing commitment to best serve the

:26:21.:26:24.

national interest while having appropriate investor certainty. City

:26:25.:26:27.

deals and evolution have been a feature of improving local economies

:26:28.:26:31.

and we are seeing more rural economy is being business. In Scotland, the

:26:32.:26:35.

Government has given considerable support, ?2.3 billion worth, to the

:26:36.:26:42.

oil and gas industry in year alone. We guess that independence was made

:26:43.:26:45.

by the Scottish Government on the base of a high oil prices above the

:26:46.:26:49.

economy. It's a good job the union has also bought for the industry in

:26:50.:26:54.

the challenging times. -- pulled together to support. This has been

:26:55.:26:57.

an important debate, highlighting the importance of the rural economy.

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What can I say, Mr Speaker, what we heard from the honourable gentleman

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from Ross, Skye and Lochaber is that we are all doomed. Far from it. As

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the Prime Minister has said, Brexit means Brexit and we will make a

:27:14.:27:17.

success of it. We are determined to get the best deal on leaving the EU

:27:18.:27:22.

for the British people. We want a world leading food and farming

:27:23.:27:25.

industry and the healthiest environment for generations. We are

:27:26.:27:30.

clear that, when leaving the EU law into UK law, that is non-negotiable

:27:31.:27:35.

and we will make sure that the environment is protected, not

:27:36.:27:40.

enhanced for future generations. -- if not enhanced. I support the

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amendment. The question is that the original words and part of it. As

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many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no".

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Division. Click the lobby. -- clear. As many as are of the opinion, say

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"aye". To the contrary, "no". The tellers for the eyes, Alan Johnson

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and Marion Fellows. Tellers for the noes, the Brian. -- ayes. -- Steve

:30:35.:30:46.

Brian. The ayes to the right, 212. The noes

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to the left, 287. The ayes to the right, 212. The noes to the left,

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287, so the noes have it. The noes have it. Unlock. Order. We now come

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to the question that the proposed words be there added. As many as are

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of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary, 'no'. I think the ayes

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have it. The ayes have it. The situation is I declare the question

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as amended to be agreed to. We now come to the second opposition Day

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motion in the name of the leader of the SNP. Point of order, indeed. I

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inadvertently referred to the my remarks in the last debate the

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registry and I hope this is a means of drawing the House's attention to

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that fact and drawing attention to my mission. I am grateful to the

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honourable gentleman both for his good grace and pettiness in

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communicating the point which I think we'll have been warmly

:42:33.:42:36.

received by colleagues across the House. We now come to the second

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opposition day motion in the name of the leader of the Scottish National

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Party and the effect for the Department for Environment, Food

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Rural Affairs policies on low income households. I informed the House has

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selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister. I also take

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this opportunity to remind the House that this debate can run only until

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beta clock. -- until 8pm. There are 17 colleagues were -- wishing to

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speak from the backbenches and I know those speaking from the front

:43:10.:43:12.

bench will jealously guard the rights and interests of those

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wishing to speak from the back, therefore the frontbenchers should

:43:19.:43:21.

absolutely not exceed ten minutes each in their speeches, and if they

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can speak for less time than that they will be addressing a grateful

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nation. As many as are of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary,

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'no'. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I stand to move the motion in my name and

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that of my honourable friend. According to the UK Government

:43:37.:43:41.

universal credit was supposed to bring fairness and simplicity and I

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ask you to hold that thought and share the experiences of some of my

:43:46.:43:48.

constituents, the experiences of people trying to help them, and even

:43:49.:43:53.

those of DUP staff trying to negotiate through the -- navigate

:43:54.:43:57.

them through universal credit. We are suffering the better effects and

:43:58.:44:01.

chaos of the full service roll-out earlier in other areas. It is

:44:02.:44:04.

hurting people who need help the most, and I know if honourable

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member is the chamber could see the grief it causes at first hand they

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would understand why I am passionate about this. Mr Speaker, before I

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sure some of the experiences of my constituents I want to tell

:44:19.:44:21.

honourable members of my recent meetings with their Citizens Advice

:44:22.:44:30.

officers, who have experience dealing with some of the most

:44:31.:44:34.

challenging situations we could imagine. Fork at the end of their

:44:35.:44:37.

tether and sometimes even at the end their lives -- folk at. When I met

:44:38.:44:45.

with them last week, they were moved to tears telling me about their

:44:46.:44:48.

universal credit caseload. They told me of the suffering they were

:44:49.:44:51.

witnessing, they told me this roll-out is a shambles and that

:44:52.:44:53.

nobody in the system communicate with each other. Mr Speaker, they

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told me the process simply does not work. They see neither fairness nor

:44:59.:45:05.

simplicity. The transitional protection is limited and will not

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protect new claimants. It also will be lost if the household undergoes

:45:10.:45:13.

changes in circumstances and it does not protect people against the

:45:14.:45:17.

anguish and suffering that lengthy delays are causing people. Once

:45:18.:45:22.

again, the disabled are some of the hardest hit by the move to universal

:45:23.:45:27.

credit. The loss of the Severe Disability Premium has taken almost

:45:28.:45:31.

62... I will make some progress because other members wish to take

:45:32.:45:37.

part. The loss of the Severe Disability Premium has taken almost

:45:38.:45:41.

?62 per week out of the pockets of the most critically disabled. Cuts

:45:42.:45:47.

to the disabled child admission mean 100,000 disabled children stand to

:45:48.:45:51.

lose up to ?29 per week. Severe disability cuts mean disabled

:45:52.:45:57.

parents with young carers stand to lose ?50 a week, and around ?30 a

:45:58.:46:03.

week will be lost to those -- ?58 a week, and around ?38 a week will be

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lost to those... I will give way, very briefly. Thanks for giving way.

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I wonder if he shares my concern at the lack of information and data at

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the DWP have on their own activities, particularly with the

:46:19.:46:21.

most vulnerable claimants. I asked the department on the 10th of

:46:22.:46:25.

January to give me the number of people who have had their benefits

:46:26.:46:28.

withdrawn or suspended in the process of transforming leader

:46:29.:46:35.

transferring -- transferring, and they go back and said they did not

:46:36.:46:40.

know. Is that not shocking? it is, and once again disabled people have

:46:41.:46:46.

been found unfit for work and I still expected to take steps towards

:46:47.:46:49.

finding work. This group includes those who have suffered serious

:46:50.:46:56.

injuries. In the early stages of progressive conditions such as

:46:57.:47:00.

multiple sclerosis and those with learning difficulties. Disability

:47:01.:47:03.

employment is a long-standing unique issue of the process of universal

:47:04.:47:07.

credit is creating more barriers for them in the workplace. The Prime

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Minister has been speaking about Jam, the so-called just about

:47:14.:47:17.

managing. Thanks to universal credit, for many families their

:47:18.:47:20.

income is about to be tossed. I suggest the Prime Minister comes to

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Inverness and speaks to my constituents about our shared

:47:25.:47:29.

society, those families with children up ?236 per -- ?230 per

:47:30.:47:34.

year worse off according to the Children's Society. To the Lone

:47:35.:47:40.

parents, losing ?15 a week. To that young people and their families who

:47:41.:47:43.

will be pushed further into poverty because of reductions in the

:47:44.:47:47.

standard allowances. The four-year freeze on support for children will

:47:48.:47:51.

see the value of the children's benefits cut by 12% by the end of

:47:52.:47:54.

the decade. Universal credit will not only failed to lift children out

:47:55.:47:59.

of poverty. It will push them further into poverty. Citizens

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Advice has said universal credit is failing to live up to its promise.

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From the outset, people have experienced problems. Delays to

:48:10.:48:13.

claims and errors to payments. The Public Accounts Committee found the

:48:14.:48:17.

systems were underdeveloped and said there was increasing pressure on DWP

:48:18.:48:22.

staff. My team and I see it every day, day in, day out. Only yesterday

:48:23.:48:27.

a constituent Laura Shepherd got in touch, at the end of her tether. Her

:48:28.:48:31.

20-year-old son Douglas has severe autism and has been on the waiting

:48:32.:48:36.

list for a work capability assessment since the end of

:48:37.:48:40.

September. During this time they have had no disability support. Just

:48:41.:48:44.

the minimum level of universal credit, only ?200 a month. Quite

:48:45.:48:56.

understandably the family are trying to get this sorted out, get their

:48:57.:48:58.

claim backdated to cover a period when they were incorrectly given

:48:59.:49:00.

child tax credits instead of universal credit. Universal credit

:49:01.:49:02.

team cannot even give her dates for disability work assessment for her

:49:03.:49:07.

son. His assessment of that nature are done by an external contractor.

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They actually told her, in writing, to contact me as her MP because they

:49:13.:49:18.

were at a loss of what to do. The wife of an officer serving in our

:49:19.:49:21.

army has now been waiting five months for assistance with childcare

:49:22.:49:26.

costs. Five months with no payments. Suffering a catalogue of errors and

:49:27.:49:31.

very sporadic communication, she could not get her problems sorted

:49:32.:49:36.

out because even the DWP staff on universal credit are not allowed to

:49:37.:49:39.

speak to the service centre or claims manager. Everything has to be

:49:40.:49:43.

duplicated by e-mail, leading to confusion and lost information.

:49:44.:49:46.

Also, this so-called helpline. Who Also, this so-called helpline. Who

:49:47.:49:49.

on earth thought it was a great idea to make this a premium calling? It

:49:50.:49:56.

is shameful that people with no money are being made to spend their

:49:57.:50:01.

last pennies on premium wines. What do they do if they have no credit on

:50:02.:50:06.

their mobile phones? That is if it has not had to be pondered to make

:50:07.:50:09.

up for the money they are not getting through waiting for their

:50:10.:50:15.

payments. -- if it has to be pawned. When they call the helpline they are

:50:16.:50:20.

left on hold whilst DWP staff try to sort out errors for more than 20

:50:21.:50:25.

minutes. We asked them to monitor calls and they found none were under

:50:26.:50:30.

the Government's stated waiting time of three minutes 27 seconds. In fact

:50:31.:50:36.

all 36 the logs were for longer. The longest, a staggering 54 minutes and

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17 seconds. Sometimes they are offered a Colback, and if they are

:50:41.:50:45.

lucky and get to their telephone on time, if it happens at all they will

:50:46.:50:50.

get it -- offered a call back. But they only get one shot at that. It

:50:51.:50:58.

is like a universal credit version of Catch-22. The transfer to the

:50:59.:51:00.

Digital has already been halted and the halfway house emerging is right

:51:01.:51:05.

for confusion. People can make online claims some of the time get

:51:06.:51:08.

me to take the original copy of letters to the job centre at their

:51:09.:51:12.

own cost. A report detailing the impact of the new scheme in Glasgow

:51:13.:51:16.

not only that claimants are struggling but that the

:51:17.:51:18.

controversial scheme is putting services and jobs at risk as well.

:51:19.:51:22.

There is a lack of and explanation as to the general reasons for a

:51:23.:51:29.

claim and those with special needs are often left to struggle and face

:51:30.:51:32.

the sanctions following. Where is the furnace, where is the

:51:33.:51:37.

simplicity? The system is manufacturing debt and despondency

:51:38.:51:38.

-- where is the fairness? Am ?25 per night at ?100 per week.

:51:39.:51:51.

One of my constituents, Gavin, has been living in homeless

:51:52.:51:58.

accommodations. He would have been awarded ?168 housing benefits,

:51:59.:52:02.

leaving him ?7 to pay out of his other entitlement. Under Universal

:52:03.:52:07.

Credit, he has the same housing cost but have yet ?63 per week. Meaning

:52:08.:52:12.

you have to pay ?115 per week promised allowances. Only doesn't

:52:13.:52:17.

get ?115 per week. Even if he gave up food, heat, light and everything

:52:18.:52:20.

else and that everything Penny, he would still be short. Of course,

:52:21.:52:25.

Gavin and others will always be in arrears. It is flawed by design.

:52:26.:52:32.

Very briefly. Does he not agree with me that the rise in inflation will

:52:33.:52:38.

hit poorest families hardest and the Government you tried to counter the

:52:39.:52:42.

effects given the fall in sterling following the Brexit strategy?

:52:43.:52:51.

Absolutely. I have people on waiting three with three months Universal

:52:52.:53:00.

Credit. It is a hound council left carrying the death of money Gavin

:53:01.:53:06.

and others simply don't have. -- Ireland. The Government has accrued

:53:07.:53:11.

extra debt of ?180,000 from Universal Credit. According to a

:53:12.:53:16.

City Council, 73 homeless people in Glasgow are now on the benefit. The

:53:17.:53:21.

City Council. And have racked up thousands of pounds of arrears

:53:22.:53:25.

between them. A management organisation and the ordination in

:53:26.:53:32.

relation for candle housing, representing Haslam homes in

:53:33.:53:37.

England. There are people in readily is. -- Council homes. -- rent

:53:38.:53:46.

arrears. Who don't receive Universal Credit. The average arrears total is

:53:47.:53:56.

now increased to ?616. The SNP Scottish Government have done

:53:57.:54:00.

everything it can to mitigate Tory welfare cuts. New devolved powers

:54:01.:54:08.

will include disability benefits. With these wanted new palace, we

:54:09.:54:12.

will seek to build a Scottish social tissue releases them with dignity

:54:13.:54:18.

and respect at its heart. -- social security system. It is wrong that

:54:19.:54:21.

the Government and the council should foot the bill in the cup.

:54:22.:54:27.

It's also true that the proposal to cut 50% of job centres in Glasgow is

:54:28.:54:32.

a bad idea. A subject I know my colleagues will speak again shortly.

:54:33.:54:37.

That's not get, these proposals come on the back of last year's

:54:38.:54:44.

announcement drew close 108 M RC offices across the UK. Several HMRC

:54:45.:54:51.

offices. With job losses. There is a college in the in the indignity and

:54:52.:54:56.

a crushing drive towards increased poverty in the Universal Credit

:54:57.:55:01.

system. Long delays in payment, what payments, value to respond, mixed

:55:02.:55:05.

signals, confusion between departments, crushing morale for the

:55:06.:55:08.

poor job centre plus staph and inability to respond to common sense

:55:09.:55:18.

are rife. -- staff. We have to think about those he need our help rather

:55:19.:55:21.

than those who stand to profit from austerity. The questionnaires as on

:55:22.:55:32.

the order paper. -- the question Thank you. As the Prime Minister has

:55:33.:55:37.

said, the Prime Minister wants to build a country that works for

:55:38.:55:39.

everyone, not just the privileged few. There is a key role in

:55:40.:55:47.

delivering this job centre. We want to deliver a modern and effective

:55:48.:55:50.

welfare system. Providing professional, tailored support. For

:55:51.:55:55.

those hundreds of thousands of people already in receipt of

:55:56.:56:01.

Universal Credit, we ensure they work and progressing of work will

:56:02.:56:04.

always pay. What we have had to make difficult decisions on his welfare

:56:05.:56:07.

spending, but we have never lost sight of the fact that the most

:56:08.:56:11.

sustainable route out of poverty and just managing to get into work.

:56:12.:56:16.

Universal Credit lies at the heart of this. Transforming the welfare

:56:17.:56:21.

system to make sure with holidays, it pays to participate, and to

:56:22.:56:25.

progress. This, in contrast to the system before 2010, of which in work

:56:26.:56:31.

poverty increased between 1998 and 2010 between wealth are, despite

:56:32.:56:37.

wealth are increasing. We are building a fairer system that will

:56:38.:56:41.

mirror the world of work and we eradicate the complexities in the

:56:42.:56:47.

old system. There are no Alice, rules or cliff edges in Universal

:56:48.:56:53.

Credit as there are in tax credits. . On occasion, working working

:56:54.:56:57.

again. Universal Credit also have the need to switch between the

:56:58.:57:01.

benefit of claimants switched to and on in work. Sybil Viney says and

:57:02.:57:06.

ensuring for claimants. Our approach is working. The claimant count has

:57:07.:57:12.

dropped from 1.5 million to around 800,000 from 2010. We are at near

:57:13.:57:19.

record levels of employment across the country. Once fully rolled out,

:57:20.:57:26.

leaving Universal Credit will generate ?7 billion we benefit every

:57:27.:57:30.

year and boost employment by up to 300,000. We are not done yet. We

:57:31.:57:34.

believe that making work pay and opening up opportunities for people

:57:35.:57:37.

to realise their potential are essential to building an economy

:57:38.:57:40.

that works for all. By reducing Universal Credit, further improving

:57:41.:57:49.

the incentive, households. It is an clear that many disabled people, the

:57:50.:57:52.

barriers to work are still too high. We need to continue to review and

:57:53.:57:56.

reform our support given what we know works. We will build on the

:57:57.:58:00.

success of Universal Credit and provide more personalised employment

:58:01.:58:04.

support by consulting on further reform for the workplace mobility

:58:05.:58:08.

assessment. Our green pepper on work. Catherine Green paper. We'll

:58:09.:58:16.

go further in marching -- Green paper will govern enlarging this. It

:58:17.:58:21.

is designed to encourage and support claimants to return to work. We have

:58:22.:58:25.

allocated ?330 million for new ones abroad for people with limited

:58:26.:58:29.

capability for work over 40 years, starting from April 2017 and an

:58:30.:58:34.

extra ?50 million to top up the existing flexible support for the

:58:35.:58:42.

Indo 2018, 2018 -- 2017-2018 and 2018-2019. Looking at our benefit

:58:43.:58:49.

reforms in isolation, failure to appreciate the wider work of the

:58:50.:58:52.

Government in providing support for those on lower income, the thing

:58:53.:58:59.

single most important thing has been what it has facilitated. People are

:59:00.:59:03.

sharing in their proceeds. Average as all incomes are at an all-time

:59:04.:59:08.

high, incoming equality has fallen and paying bottom 5% in society is

:59:09.:59:14.

up 6.2% year-on-year. The higher rise since the series began in the

:59:15.:59:22.

year 1997. I do not have time to list all the other advances we've

:59:23.:59:28.

made because time is short but we must acknowledge the most

:59:29.:59:29.

transformational. We've introduced the national living wage. Increased

:59:30.:59:36.

the best of all backgrounds to ?11,000. The Didcot taxpayer pays

:59:37.:59:40.

less tax than 2010. We've we've introduced the triple lock so

:59:41.:59:45.

pensioners with a full state pension received over ?1100 a year more than

:59:46.:59:49.

at the start of the last Parliament. -- typical taxpayer. We want to hear

:59:50.:59:57.

the SNP's opinion on this. Free childcare from 15 hours up to 30

:59:58.:00:01.

hours as well as introducing 15 hours of free childcare for

:00:02.:00:07.

disadvantaged two-year-old as well as free school meals for all

:00:08.:00:12.

infants. Tackling child poverty and disadvantage, delivering real social

:00:13.:00:14.

reform, is a key priority for the Government. Only by tackling the

:00:15.:00:20.

root causes, not just the symptoms, Willie Mae gaining even though --

:00:21.:00:26.

will we make a meaningful difference. For these reasons that

:00:27.:00:29.

we introduced two new statutory measures. Tackling children's

:00:30.:00:35.

education attainment. We know that can make a big difference to

:00:36.:00:38.

disadvantaged children. The forthcoming Green paper on social

:00:39.:00:42.

Justice will build on these measures and set out how we identified and

:00:43.:00:46.

tackle the root causes of property. Alongside our policy targeted at

:00:47.:00:51.

helping people progress in that and potential, we are also committed to

:00:52.:00:54.

continuing to modernising and professional writing the services

:00:55.:00:59.

and supporting our job centre's of. -- that our job centres offer. We

:01:00.:01:06.

need to make the most of the opportunities offered. I'm pleased

:01:07.:01:10.

that the honourable members cabaret star plans for the job centre is

:01:11.:01:13.

made as they are one of the best examples of how we are in fact doing

:01:14.:01:24.

this. After 20 years, Labour's PFI contract covering many DWP offices

:01:25.:01:33.

is nearing an end and expires at the end of March 20 18. This gives us an

:01:34.:01:36.

opportunity to review how the department delivers modern services

:01:37.:01:41.

and ensure that gets the best deal. As I've already mentioned, revolves

:01:42.:01:47.

like Universal Credit, our universe revolutionising this. This better

:01:48.:01:53.

suits to the of claimants. I give away. Thank you. I wonder if he

:01:54.:01:58.

would comment regarding the disability employment gap because

:01:59.:02:01.

surely closing job centres actually makes obtaining employment less

:02:02.:02:05.

accessible people with disability and increases the hurdles they face

:02:06.:02:13.

in doing so. As you know, at the house knows, reducing the disability

:02:14.:02:16.

employment gap is absolute priority for the Government and I'm pleased

:02:17.:02:19.

to see that it is now narrowing and we're making progress but there is a

:02:20.:02:22.

great deal more to do. Nvidia denies that. We have to make sure there are

:02:23.:02:26.

more opportunities available to people with disabilities, including

:02:27.:02:31.

through our network. Nobody denies that. We have to make sure we have

:02:32.:02:36.

the resort is in place to have all the people, facilities and causes

:02:37.:02:40.

that can help support those people. -- courses. The paint has dropped

:02:41.:02:49.

from 1.5 million to 800,000 now. We are using only a small percent of

:02:50.:02:56.

the floor space. That's 20% of the value of 100% of the. Every penny we

:02:57.:03:02.

spend on space under this Labour PFI is money that could be back in the

:03:03.:03:09.

public purse helping to protect vital services and... I have to ask

:03:10.:03:11.

his forgiveness. Those services and the board include our own because

:03:12.:03:18.

they are expanding what region. We expect to have over 2000 more were

:03:19.:03:24.

cages in 201890 to date. In deciding what changes it is reasonable to

:03:25.:03:29.

make the VSA, we consider the impact on claimants, including travel time.

:03:30.:03:34.

We think it's reasonable to ask somebody to attend a new job centre

:03:35.:03:38.

less than three miles, 20 minutes by public transport, Wayne. Many

:03:39.:03:47.

claimants -- away. Many travel considerably further, as the many

:03:48.:03:56.

people in work. The UK, and has devolved powers were ?2.7 billion to

:03:57.:04:00.

the Scottish Government. Scotland can top up benefits and it can

:04:01.:04:06.

create new benefits. With that comes the corresponding responsibility and

:04:07.:04:11.

accountability and I was interested to note that the guy Scottish

:04:12.:04:15.

Government is to return to fortnightly payments and direct

:04:16.:04:19.

payments to landlords. We believe we should minimise the difference

:04:20.:04:21.

between the out of work welfare support system and the will of work

:04:22.:04:26.

to facilitate people's transition into work. Few employers paid

:04:27.:04:31.

fortnightly and even fewer have a direct relationship with your

:04:32.:04:35.

landlord. We need to arrange alternative payment arrangements and

:04:36.:04:41.

that is not the right approach was that we appreciate the Scottish

:04:42.:04:43.

Government has a different view and it'll be interesting to see how the

:04:44.:04:49.

duo deliver. This Government's record speaks for itself. Poverty is

:04:50.:04:53.

down, child poverty is down, the deficit is down. The fastest growing

:04:54.:05:02.

G7 economy in 2016 and there are more people in work. The welfare

:05:03.:05:05.

system is supported and effective. Work for those who can, help for

:05:06.:05:10.

those who coo, care for those who can't. Taking together Universal

:05:11.:05:16.

Credit and our reform of jobs in the past to provide the modern,

:05:17.:05:18.

effective and compassionate welfare system we need to be able to

:05:19.:05:22.

continue to deliver on this promise. An economy and society which works

:05:23.:05:23.

fall. The question was as on the order

:05:24.:05:34.

paper, since when an amendment was proposed as on the order paper. The

:05:35.:05:37.

question is that the original words stand part of the question. Before I

:05:38.:05:41.

call the Labour spokesperson, I inform the House formerly, and some

:05:42.:05:45.

colleagues have been notified privately, that there will be a time

:05:46.:05:49.

limit on backbench speeches of three minutes in my attempt to ensure...

:05:50.:05:55.

And if the honourable gentleman listens he will learn... That

:05:56.:05:59.

everyone who sought to speak has the opportunity to do so. Fairness and

:06:00.:06:06.

equality, Mr McDonald. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. The Minister

:06:07.:06:12.

paints such a rosy picture, and yet we had the SNP spokesmen giving his

:06:13.:06:18.

cases from what he has experience and I could give cases, and I am

:06:19.:06:23.

sure members on the Government benches can also give cases they

:06:24.:06:27.

have been dealing with, whether in relation to work capability

:06:28.:06:29.

assessment, whether in relation to other cuts they have experienced. It

:06:30.:06:36.

is absolutely right we debate this very important point. The minister

:06:37.:06:43.

started expressing the commitment that the Prime Minister has made to

:06:44.:06:49.

a country that works for everyone. We need to scrutinise exactly those

:06:50.:06:53.

words. And, more to the point, if they are actually true. In

:06:54.:06:59.

particular, in relation to the Social Security policies and their

:07:00.:07:03.

impact on low income households, but, Mr Speaker, to understand the

:07:04.:07:09.

Government's attacks on the poor, and how they are so damaging, it is

:07:10.:07:13.

not just to understand how the experienced this but it is also

:07:14.:07:16.

about how damaging it is to the country as a whole, and we need to

:07:17.:07:20.

understand that in the context of inequalities. Now, I worked on this

:07:21.:07:27.

for over 20 years before I entered this House six years ago and I

:07:28.:07:32.

particularly focused on the effects of inequalities in income and wealth

:07:33.:07:36.

and on our health, and there is overwhelming evidence from the last

:07:37.:07:42.

30 years that shows the risk of prove health and lower life

:07:43.:07:44.

expectancy increases from high to low income groups -- the risk of

:07:45.:07:51.

poorer health. My dear friend Frank Dobson said there is no greater

:07:52.:07:55.

inequality, than knowing you will die sooner because you are badly

:07:56.:08:01.

off. This pattern of illness is systematically produced and

:08:02.:08:05.

universal. It is not about the individual, or biological factors.

:08:06.:08:15.

It is about this inherent systematic socially reproduced inequality. They

:08:16.:08:18.

are not inevitable. They can be changed, and for that we should all

:08:19.:08:24.

have hope. We know from pioneering work from professors Richard Wilson

:08:25.:08:29.

is in Chapecoense -- Richard Wilkinson and call that these do not

:08:30.:08:41.

affect... The also affect mental health, crime, happiness, and even

:08:42.:08:43.

trust between communities. The simple truth is the smaller the gap

:08:44.:08:48.

between rich and poor the better we all do. So when the Prime Minister

:08:49.:08:54.

claims she wants to tackle these burning injustices I have to ask

:08:55.:08:58.

her, where has she been? These injustices have been burning while

:08:59.:09:03.

she was a senior member of Government. Now she is Prime

:09:04.:09:05.

Minister, what is she doing to address them? And again I will go on

:09:06.:09:13.

to say, not a lot. This week, as the World Economic Forum gets underway

:09:14.:09:17.

in Davos, we hear the same warnings we heard from the IMF in 2015, that

:09:18.:09:22.

widening inequalities is the most defining challenge of our time. Last

:09:23.:09:27.

week we heard yet again of obscene pay ratios with top executives now

:09:28.:09:31.

earning 130 times more than the average employee takes on.

:09:32.:09:35.

Yesterday, Oxfam published the breathtaking figure that eight

:09:36.:09:40.

individuals have a combined wealth of more than half - half of the

:09:41.:09:59.

bottom... And the publishing of inequalities in the UK showed that

:10:00.:10:02.

pre-tax pay between high and low earners has risen. Since 2010

:10:03.:10:05.

working people on low incomes, particularly families with children,

:10:06.:10:08.

have lost proportionally more of their income than any other group.

:10:09.:10:13.

As a net result of tax and social security changes. This Government

:10:14.:10:19.

has glossed over this problem with the use of divisive rhetoric.

:10:20.:10:22.

Repeatedly they have fled poverty and inequality are the pathology of

:10:23.:10:27.

the individual rather than the result of structural flaws of their

:10:28.:10:31.

economic and public policies, particularly their social security

:10:32.:10:35.

policies. We have heard from the Minister that work is the route out

:10:36.:10:45.

of poverty. Contrary to this diverse of -- divisive narrative, why is it

:10:46.:10:49.

we more have people -- why is it we have more people in work in poverty

:10:50.:10:52.

than ever before? 7.4 million people. Three out of the four

:10:53.:10:56.

million children are living in families where they are working. How

:10:57.:11:00.

can this be a success story of this Government? When will the Government

:11:01.:11:06.

start to look at the structural issues in the labour market and the

:11:07.:11:11.

productivity crisis rather than victimising the poorest. Four out of

:11:12.:11:17.

the five people on low income now will still be on low income ten

:11:18.:11:20.

years later. What has this Government done about that? The

:11:21.:11:26.

motion raised some important questions hanging over the

:11:27.:11:29.

Government's flagship programme, universal credit. We supported the

:11:30.:11:33.

original principles of universal credit to make sure were always

:11:34.:11:38.

pays, by allowing people to work more hours without fear of being

:11:39.:11:42.

made worse off. Universal Credit had the potential to address inequality

:11:43.:11:47.

by targeting employment to support to those on low pay, reducing the

:11:48.:11:54.

cliff edge associated with other supports, such as tax credits, as

:11:55.:11:58.

the Minister said. We are a world away from the project initially

:11:59.:12:02.

lauded by this Government. We have been through seven delays in

:12:03.:12:07.

implementation, reset by the major authority, criticism from the

:12:08.:12:11.

National Audit Office, and costs spiralling out of control. Despite

:12:12.:12:15.

this, many practical issues of the programme, they have yet to be

:12:16.:12:20.

sorted out and a full working delivery is still a distant

:12:21.:12:24.

prospectors of our key flaws in the design. -- a distant prospect. There

:12:25.:12:35.

are key flaws in the design. As you can imagine, many people do not know

:12:36.:12:40.

how to reapply so it comes as a rather unpleasant surprise when the

:12:41.:12:44.

department then refuses them support. Can the Minister update us

:12:45.:12:50.

on progress and dealing with the issue of weekly payments? Perhaps we

:12:51.:12:54.

should look at the impact of Universal Credit's so-called long

:12:55.:12:58.

hello. The Guardian showed the weight of a shocking 42 days to

:12:59.:13:05.

receive the first payment said claimants to the banks, and in terms

:13:06.:13:09.

of the bank use, that was spiralling. One survey of landlords

:13:10.:13:14.

responsible for 3000 households and universal credit friend eight out of

:13:15.:13:17.

ten credits were in arrears. Will the minister commit to immediately

:13:18.:13:22.

reducing this waiting can? -- found that eight out of ten tenants were

:13:23.:13:31.

in arrears. And see to reducing the two-week delay. On sanctions, I am

:13:32.:13:35.

pleased the Government is finally seeing all the evidence for what it

:13:36.:13:38.

is, how damaging it is and its impact in getting people off. The

:13:39.:13:49.

impact on sanctions cannot be underestimated. But for the

:13:50.:13:52.

regulations for 2014, the Government is able to sanction people in work

:13:53.:13:56.

on low pay. We are now starting to see more people who are already

:13:57.:14:00.

working, doing the right thing, are being sanction because they are not

:14:01.:14:05.

working hard enough. They are on zero our contracts, the million

:14:06.:14:09.

people and zero our contracts, who are potentially under threat by

:14:10.:14:20.

this, -- zero-hour contract. I am happy to take it outside, gentle

:14:21.:14:23.

men, but people will not get enough time to speak so it... For a lower

:14:24.:14:29.

income families, most important has been the slashing by this

:14:30.:14:33.

Government, significantly undermining the principle that work

:14:34.:14:36.

will always pay under the scheme. Cuts to work allowances will mean an

:14:37.:14:46.

average claimants receive ?2000 a year less than if they were on

:14:47.:14:49.

universal credit. There was no impact in terms of the Autumn

:14:50.:14:56.

Statement on this. The gentle man, the honourable gentleman, has

:14:57.:14:59.

already mentioned about the impact of this Government's horrendous cuts

:15:00.:15:04.

to disabled people. Almost ?30 billion of cuts to people...

:15:05.:15:12.

Definitely going to see more than the 5 million people pushed into

:15:13.:15:15.

poverty, the 5 million disabled people. We also heard about the job

:15:16.:15:19.

centre closures as well. But what I would like to say, it seems, Mr

:15:20.:15:26.

Speaker, universal credit programme will no longer make work pay. It was

:15:27.:15:30.

built by a Government who believes the best we can help people into

:15:31.:15:35.

work is by shutting job centres. We believe that like our NHS the Social

:15:36.:15:42.

Security system should be based on principles of dignity, inclusion and

:15:43.:15:48.

support and Labour will do this. Thank you. Three minute limit now to

:15:49.:15:53.

apply. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given it to the minute I will not take any

:15:54.:15:58.

interventions, so I shall continue. I stood on a platform of getting

:15:59.:16:01.

Britain working again, reforming the welfare system. That is failing some

:16:02.:16:07.

of the most vulnerable people in this country and in my constituency.

:16:08.:16:11.

For too long people were on welfare and remained on it and it is worth

:16:12.:16:14.

noting that long-term unemployment doubled between 2008 and 2010. Major

:16:15.:16:21.

changes to things that sold directly affect people in their day-to-day

:16:22.:16:25.

lives are never easy, or necessarily popular. But our welfare system

:16:26.:16:30.

needed changing and I am delighted that our Government is taking it so

:16:31.:16:34.

seriously. I am determined to make sure those who want work, and those

:16:35.:16:39.

who cannot work as well, are supported, and that is what we need,

:16:40.:16:42.

and that help is at hand from this Government. So far we have seen

:16:43.:16:46.

monumental change. It is not easy. As a former member of the work and

:16:47.:16:52.

pensions committee are always welcome the Department's attitude to

:16:53.:16:54.

universal credit, in terms of rolling it out then considering the

:16:55.:16:59.

changes and seeing the impact, then changing and adapting and rolling it

:17:00.:17:04.

out again, and I welcome the pace of delivery of Universal Credit,

:17:05.:17:07.

because we are listening, looking at evidence and performing as we go,

:17:08.:17:10.

the correct way to do it in my opinion. The single best thing any

:17:11.:17:14.

Government can do for low income families is to ensure we have a

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strong economy. Since that 2010 election I am delighted this

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Government has put that at the heart of what we are doing. Unemployment

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is now at the joint lowest rate of 4.8% over the ten years. With 2.7

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million more people in work over the last six years. With more women,

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older workers and ethnic minorities in work than ever before. The annual

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average income of the poorest fifth of households has risen in real

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terms compared to 2007 and 2008, that is the bottom fifth of

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households income up ?700. This House has heard on many occasions

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the benefit of work and improved our social networks, with the increasing

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happiness and health. I am proud of the Government's achievement in

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getting more and work. And this is in stark contrast to the Opposition

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and their rhetoric. And part of this change in Universal Credits, the

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biggest change in welfare in this country for a generation, it has

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been welfare claimants become much more likely to move into work,

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compared to those on jobseeker's allowance. I would like to end, Mr

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Speaker, given I will be timed, and that is that working age adults in

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working families are four times more likely to be living on low income.

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The report in 2015 found that 74% of workless families moving into

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full-time employment exited poverty, and that is terrific. Mr Speaker, I

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will know sit down. Thank you. Before we proceed to the next

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Speaker, we come to the seven o'clock motion. I beg to move, Mr

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Speaker. Thank you. You have indeed Julie moved. Thank you, Mr Speaker

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-- you have indeed duly moved. The question is as the order paper. As

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many as are of the opinion, say 'aye'. To the contrary, 'no'. I

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think that ayes have it. Stuart McDonald... That is way above my pay

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grade, but I thank you nonetheless, Mr Speaker. I have to take my hat

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off to the Minister and his colleagues at the Department of Work

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and Pensions because he has managed to do something I never thought

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possible, he has managed to unite Scottish Labour politicians and SNP

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politicians against the job centre closure plan, which will be the

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focus of my remarks. If he will listen, I will educate him. Can I

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say to the Minister has plan has gone down like a bucket of cold sick

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not just amongst my constituents, but amongst trade unions, the

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Catholic Church, the Church of Scotland and in Glasgow City

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Council. The city I represent that has the highest unemployment rate in

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Scotland, and that is not a bad I am proud of. I would want to work with

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the Minister to improve that, but I do not see how you can improve that,

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Madame Deputy Speaker, by reducing the number of job centres from 16 to

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eight, a 50% cut in what is supposed to be a 20% reduction elsewhere.

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Glasgow being targeted by the Tories yet again. I will take no muttering

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from the backbenches of the Tories either. Let me invite each and every

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one of them who will vote for the Government to come to Castlemilk.

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They will meet some of my constituents who will be expected to

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do an eight mile round trip, opted three buses. But of course ministers

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would not know about any of this because they have relied on Google

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maps in order to put this proposal together. Google, is not the new

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Britannic isolation I would have expected. But let me say this. Let

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me add this. Where is the Scottish secretary on these plans? Why have

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we not heard anything from our Secretary of State in fighting for

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Glasgow and standing up for Scotland against these proposals? And let me

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say that the honourable lady muttering from a sedentary position,

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the Minister was asked by me, how many people in Langside and

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Castlemilk job centre in my constituency claim disability living

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allowance? The answer back was that they do not know. Jobseeker's

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allowance, they do not know. How many people are disabled that use

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Glasgow job centres across the city? They do not know. So what of the

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public sector equality duty? How confident is the Minister that he is

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not going to breach the obligations he has under the 2010 equality act,

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because we still have no equality impact assessment?

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Live coverage of the day's proceedings in the House of Commons, including statements on the Northern Ireland Assembly elections and government policy on leaving the EU, and debates on the effect of the UK leaving the EU on the rural economy, and the effect of Department for Work and Pensions policies on low-income households.


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