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restore justice to victims. Statement, the Secretary of State

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that the European Union. David Davis. I will make a statement on

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the Government's responds to today's judgment by the Supreme Court. This

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Government is determined to deliver on a decision taken by the people of

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the UK in the referendum to lead the European Union. We will move swiftly

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to do just that. I can announce today that we will surely need to do

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is legislation allowing the Government to move ahead with

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invoking article 50 which starts the formal process of withdrawing from

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the European Union. We received the lengthy 96 page judgment a few hours

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ago and Government lawyers are assessing it carefully. This would

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be a straightforward bill. It is not about whether or not the UK should

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leave the European Union, that decision has already been made by

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the people of the UK. We will work with colleagues in both houses to

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ensure this bill is passed in good time by the end of March this year.

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This timetable has been supported by this house. Let me go through the

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issues step-by-step. The Government's priority following bit

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referendum was to respect the outcome and ensure it is delivered

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in the interests of the whole country. This house voted by six to

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want to put the decision in the hands of voters and that bill passed

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the other place unopposed. 6-1. There can be never going back. The

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point of no return was passed on June 23 last year. The Government

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has been clear that we must leave by following the process set out in

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article 50 of the Treaty on European Union. People want and expect us to

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get on with incrementing the decisions made. Let me turn to the

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process fight invoking article 50 and the issues that arise from

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today's Supreme Court judgment. The Government's view was that it is

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lawful and proper that the Government to give effect the

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decision of the people by the use of prerogative powers to invoke Article

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50. Today, the Supreme Court has agreed with the High Court's

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judgment that the prerogative power alone is insufficient to give notice

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under article 50. That legislation is it required to provide the

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necessary authorisation for this step. In addition, the supreme court

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look at the legislative in triggering Article 50. Relations

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with the EU and other foreign affairs matters are reserved to the

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UK Government and parliament not too involved institutions. The Supreme

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Court summary goes on to say that affords letters serves to not have a

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veto on the UK's decision to withdraw from the European Union. I

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will come back to our collaboration later in this statement. The Comte

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has been giving thought to the steps we would take in the event of the

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Supreme Court Paulding the High Court's view. First of all let me be

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clear that we believe in and value the independence of our judiciary,

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the foundation upon which the rule of law is built. Of course, we will

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respect this judgment. Second, this judgment does not change the fact

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that the UK will be leaving the EU and it is our job to deliver on the

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instruction the people of the UK have given us. We will within days

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introduced legislation to give the Government legal power to trigger

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article 50 and begin the formal process of withdrawal. It would be

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separate to the great repeal bill that will be introduced. This will

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be the most straightforward bill possible to give the decision of the

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people and respect the Supreme Court's judgment. The purpose of

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this bill is to give the Government the power to invoke -- evoke ten

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want -- Article 50 and leave the EU. It is what they would expect.

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Portman -- Parliament will dispute this legislation but I trust no one

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will make a vehicle for attempt to thwart the will of the people or

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frustrate or delay the process. Our timetable for evoking Article 50 by

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the end of March still stands. That timetable has given valuable

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certainty to citizens and businesses across Europe. It is understood by

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European partners and provides a framework for planning that

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negotiation ahead. This house backed that timetable by a majority of 373

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in December and we will look forward to working closely with colleagues

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to ensure the legislation Article 50 is passed in good time to allow us

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to evoking by the end of March as planned. The Government's fifth and

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final principle is to continue to ensure we deliver an exit in the

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best interests of the whole of the UK. The Supreme Court has ruled in

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favour of devolved legislative is in invoking Article 50. It in no way

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diminishes our commitment to work closely with the people and

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administrations as we move forward without withdrawal from the EU. Let

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me conclude with the word on what the judgment means. I know this case

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on an issue of such importance which arouses strong views on all sides

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has not been without controversy. The court was asked the question, a

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proper, thorough and independent process was gone through and it has

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given its and set in law. We are law-abiding notion. Big UK is known

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that the strength and independence of its judicial system. We will

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build on this and are many other strengths as we leave the European

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Union. We were once again be a fully independent sovereign country free

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to make our own decisions. The parameter has set out a

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comprehensive plan including our core negotiating objectives. --

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Prime Minister. She has been clear she once in a constructive

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partnership for the EU and the UK, a partnership that would be good for

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the UK and the rest of Europe. Today we are taking the necessary step to

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research -- respect the decision by announcing a bill. It will be at

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this Parliament to respect the decision it entrusted to the people

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of the UK competition may talk on June 23. I commend the statement of

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the House. Can I thank the Secretary of State. This is a good day for

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Parliamentary sovereignty three. The Supreme Court has ruled that we

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should have a say in this house on the Article 50 issue. Given the

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issues involved, that is quite right and the Prime Minister was wrong to

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have attempted to sideline Parliament in this process. This

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bill is only to be introduced because the Prime Minister has been

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ordered to do so. I hope in the aftermath there will be the attacks

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on our judges that they were when the High Court gave its ruling. It

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is the duty of all of us to defend them if they do and to do so

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quickly. I hope the Secretary of State will join me in that

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endeavour. The question now moves on to the proper role of Parliament and

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the Supreme Court said nothing about the form of legislation. On issues

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as important as this, it would be wrong for the Government to try to

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minimise the role of Parliament or to seek to avoid amendments. I ask

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the Secretary of State to confirm he won't take that approach. This is a

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question of substance, not process. Last week the Prime Minister

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committed herself to swapping then known benefits of single market

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membership and the customs union for the hoped-for benefits of a

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free-trade agreement. With a fallback position of bread in our

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economic model. That high risk. There are big gaps and

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inconsistencies and unanswered questions in the Prime Minister's

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approach. If the Prime Minister fails in her endeavour, the cost

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will be borne by families, working people and communities throughout

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the UK. The stakes are high and the role of this house in holding the

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Prime Minister and the Government to account through the process is

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crucial. Labour excerpts and respects the referendum result and

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will not frustrate the process. We will be seeking to lay amendments to

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ensure proper scrutiny and accountability throughout the

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process. That starts with a white paper or plan, speech is not a white

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paper or plan and we need something to hold the Government to account

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throughout the process. We can't have a speech is the only basis for

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accountability that two years or more. That is the first step. There

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needs to be reporting back procedure and then used to be a minimal --

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meaningful vote at the end of the exercise. The Government should

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welcome such scrutiny, not try to resist it because the end result

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would be better if scrutinised than it would otherwise be. I hope the

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Secretary of State will confirm we will not seek to minimise

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accountability. Whatever the court ruled, it is important that those

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interests are taken into account. What a waste of time and money.

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The High Court decision was 82 days ago. The Prime Minister could have

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accepted them to introduce the bill. We could have debated the issues and

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I would like the Secretary of State to lay out what a cost is to the

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taxpayer of this appeal? Let me say this to the honourable gentleman.

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The Prime Minister was not aiming to sideline democracy, she was

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aiming... Order. The House is in an understandably excited and excitable

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state. What I want to say to colleagues if they don't have to

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look into the crystal ball when they can read the book. Member should

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know that I always want to facilitate the fullest possible

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questioning and scrutiny and it is right that it should happen. It is

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also right that when the Secretary of State is responding to questions

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come he was given a fair and courteous hearing. Aiming to carry

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out the will of the people. 17.4 million people of them in the

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national interest. If I may pick up on the point that the honourable

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gentleman raised, the issue of our judges. I think I mentioned at

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length three times in my statement that this is a nation of the rule of

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law, independent judiciary is important and it is watched by other

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countries as an example to themselves. All the people he could

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criticise, I don't think I am at the front of the issue. Similarly on the

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question of the process through Parliament, there is an interesting

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litany through this whole process. Every single time I get up and I say

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that I will give the House as much information as possible, subject to

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not undermining the national interest will stop not undermining

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our negotiating position and that is what we have done and what we will

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continue to do. Not just through this bill but also through the great

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repeal Bill, subsequent primary legislation, subsequent secretariat

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-- second of legislation and the final vote at the end.

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He told about membership of the single market. To have membership of

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that, you have to give up control of borders, laws, rules, all of which

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of course the Labour Party is single alert incapable of making a decision

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on, let alone coming up with a policy on. As he talks about a plan.

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The Prime Minister last week gave the 6500 word is closely argued

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speech which has been recognised on all sides of this country and all

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around Europe as an epitome of clarity, of very clear objectives,

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vertically ends, very clear ambitions for this country. I don't

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take that point at all. On the point more generally of scrutiny, we have

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now had I think five statements, tender bits, as some 30 different

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Selectric enquiries. -- ten debates. I hardly think that is an absence of

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scrutiny of central government policy. And I have to say, the

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honourable gentleman doesn't often surprise me, but for the ex-director

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of the is to say that the Supreme Court is a waste of time, or taking

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up matters is a waste of time, strikes me as quite extraordinary.

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Quite extraordinary! Or the! I made this point over the last few

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months many times. Taking the civil distance is in order to get the most

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followed that of an clearest, crudest possible guidance in terms

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of a major part of our Constitution. -- clearest, clearest possible

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guidance. I don't think the gentleman has advanced the knowledge

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of the House but look forward to the contribution of others. Mr Kenneth

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Clarke. Mr Speaker, have you had the chance to know that my recently

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published memoirs... LAUGHTER They are cited with approval in

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paragraph 195. Do you share my surprise that that

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is a minority dissenting judgment? More seriously do you accept that

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parliamentary sovereignty has always meant that governments of the day

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pursue broad policy objectives in the national interest and quite

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willingly submit them to the judgment of the House, both debates

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and two votes? And they only proceed with broad policy objectives when

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they have the support of the majority in the House of Commons. So

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would he gave me the government's assurance that this bill will be

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drafted on the basis that it even proves the opportunities for the

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government to give or withhold its consent to major policy objectives?

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And will he pursue that approach in future years question actually

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having one vote right at the end of the process with the highs will be

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taught that either takes the deal the government has, or goes into the

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alternative chaos of having no agreements with the EU or anybody

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else, is not a very good substitute for the normal tradition of

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consenting to the policy aims to the government aims of the day. We have

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been skirmishing over this issue, I think for some 30 years. And was

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with good humour. I will hope to respond to him in the same vein

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today. Let me just take this characterisation. He repeated it on

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television earlier. This characterisation of what the

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government is proposing. We have already had ten debates and vast

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numbers of other arguments. But in terms of what will happen going one

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is a bill to authorise the triggering of Article 50. Then we

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will have a great repeal Bill, Queen through the tyre corpus of European

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law is as it applies to the United Kingdom, -- which will go through

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all European law as it applies to United Kingdom, then major policy

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change is coming, all again in front of the House, secondary legislation

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again in front of both houses. And at the end of it, not just one vote,

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but the vote that eventually decides whether the highs supports the

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policy that we are proposing or not. That policy will be aimed solely at

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advancing the interests of the United Kingdom. It gives the best

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possible negotiated outcome that we can achieve. Having taken on board

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the informing debate of this House of Commons over the entire two years

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in the run-up to it. Firstly, can I welcome the judgment in anything

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which strengthens parliamentary scrutiny over this process? There

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was a time when the Secretary of State himself was a great champion

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of parliamentary scrutiny, back in the dim and distant past. I'm sure

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deep down inside he will be welcoming this judgment. I'm

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wondering why. Why do they fear parliamentary scrutiny? Could they

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be find out, and the Emperor has no clothes? That is talk of democracy,

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and as a gentle reminder in terms of democracy, let me remind the

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Secretary of State of this. When it comes to Scotland the Conservatives

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got there was result at the General Election since 1865. -- worst

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result. You have one MP! Furthermore what we are told today is that this

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is a political decision. And as a political decision over the rule of

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the devolved administrations, I hope this Parliament and government will

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continue to continue to not legislate on areas that are the

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responsibility of the Scottish parliament without its consent. And

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that you believe the Judgment Day, Mr Speaker, said this should

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enhanced devolution. If that is the case will be Secretary of State

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killers today that no powers will be returned from the Scottish

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Parliament to Westminster during the course of this process Chris Martin

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will seek consent from the Scottish parliament before legislating on

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areas over which it has responsibility? Again, I am

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surprised the honourable gentleman said that. I thought the Scottish

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National Party would give great importance to the electoral results

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in the Scottish Parliament, in which the Conservative Party came second

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this time, under the listed below -- under the great Britain Davidson. I

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want to make two points to him. Firstly, the process that they have

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gone through with the vote in the stations, the joint ministerial

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process, it has been going on now for some months in the monthly

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meetings, and the last one had a presentation from Mike Russell, the

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Scottish Governor Minister, on the question of the Scottish and's

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proposals, some of which we disagreed with, some we agreed with

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absolutely, such as the protection of employment law, and some we will

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debate the coming weeks and months. Most particularly to his point, the

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question of devolution, and the vault powers, he knows he I support

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devolution is and can say to him firmly that there will be no powers

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existing in the devolved at the station will come back, but Pires

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and the European Union which we have to decide where they are most

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properly allowed. And the real issue there is that the practical

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interests of all the nations in the United Kingdom, for example,

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preserving the single market of the United Kingdom, preserving the

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ability of the United Kingdom to do international deals, areas that are

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just as important to the odd that is God as to the orderly English, Welsh

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or Northern Irish citizen. -- important to the ordinary Scot.

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Mr Speaker, can I say to my right honourable friend is that the very

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fact that this was a split judgment shows that the Prime Minister was

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absolutely right to take this case of the way to get a full decision.

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And can I ask him to resist much respected friend and not over

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complicating this? After all the question is should the government

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trigger Article 50? So may I urge him, when he brings this in front of

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us, to keep it short, keep it simple and most of all keep it swift? They

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will keep it straight forward is what we will certainly do. He is

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right, this was and is a unique circumstance in many ways. Unique in

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terms of the importance to the kingdom but also the fact it is

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carrying out the will of 17.5 billion who voted directly, summing

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that has never before in our history. It was important to get the

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full outcome from the Supreme Court. I will do everything in my power to

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make sure it goes through swiftly. And that it is properly is

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scrutinised but also it is a straightforward bill that delivers

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the triggering of Article 50 by March 31. Having tried to argue in

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court that Parliament should not decide on the triggering of Article

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50 and lost, as will be Secretary of State now agreed to accept the

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unanimous recommendation of the Rex off Select Committee and in the

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process agree with himself before he got this job -- Brexit Select

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Committee, and publish a white paper on the government objectives? Then

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these can be considered alongside the legislation he has just

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announced. Because of the government does not do so then I have to say to

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him it would be showing a lack of respect for this House of Commons.

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I don't often disagree with myself. But that we say this, -- let me say

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this, the speech given last week by the Prime Minister was the clearest

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exposition of negotiating strategy are have seen modern times. It laid

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out very clearly what we judge the national interest to be, how we

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intend to protect it, what we want to do, what we hope is not happen,

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and how we are going to go about avoiding that. So I don't see that

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this government has avoided answering any question, either from

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his committee or indeed from the front bench. The only questions we

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have been unable to answer our those which would be to the disadvantage

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of the country in terms of undermining our negotiating

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strategy. I will give one example. To the spokesman for the opposition.

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On Channel 4 not very long ago, a couple of weeks ago, he said we want

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to know whether the government will pay for access to the single market

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and how much. If anything would undermine a negotiating position,

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that would, and it is precisely that which we will avoid. We will

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continue to give information to the House, I give his committee and

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undertaking we will give at least that's bad information as we will

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call to the European Parliament with, if indeed both. And we will

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continue to keep the House involved throughout the process, which will

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not be over in a few weeks, but last two years, and the House will be as

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well informed on this as it has been on anything of such importance. The

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Supreme Court the spawning ruled that the form of the bill is,

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entirely a matter for Parliament, because also indicated by then that

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the issues before the Supreme Court have nothing to do with the

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political merits of the decision to withdraw or the timetable, terms of

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so doing, or any future relationship between the UK and the EU. So will

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my right honourable friend confirmed that with any potential amendments

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the bill itself will be short and tightly drawn to give effect

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exclusively to the Supreme Court decision itself? Well, the short

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answer is yes. They were citing to me I think section 122 of the court

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decision and its commentary. And the point of this bill is to meet the

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requirements of the Supreme Court to deliver the instruction from the

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nation at large and to do it in the national interest. That means a

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straightforward easily comprehensible bill to the country

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at large and they can see what Parliament is doing and what

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position it is visiting on the government. That is what we will do.

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I agree with the Minister that Parliament must respect the result

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of the referendum but I hope you will also agree that the government

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does not have a blank cheque either from Parliament or the public over

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what kind of Brexit it now pursues. He has said that there will be votes

:26:23.:26:27.

in the process, so can he tell us, given the government has said it is

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ruling out being in the customs union, in the common external

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tariff, and the common commercial policy, and he knows that there are

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strongly held views on different sides about the impact that will

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have on manufacturing industries which will be so crucial to our

:26:44.:26:49.

future? When will he give Parliament the vote on that decision?

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Firstly, we are to tell the House what our plan is and then we're told

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we don't like that so we want to have a debate on that. The simple

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truth... No, no, that's fine. The simple truth here is their will be

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any number of votes. Too many to count in the next two years across a

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whole range of issues. I can see the issues she is raising coming up in

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the great repeal Bill. I can see it coming up in primary legislation,

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maybe in major secondary legislation. I am sure there will be

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votes in the next two years. If someone debates sending the letter,

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are made voting against restoring the very Parliamentary sovereignty

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three they call in aid? Doesn't the British people want a proper

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parliament not a puppet parliament and swing to Brussels and map

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requires sending the letter soon? What it requires leaving the

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European Union and that's what we're going to do. Does the Minister and

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accept that the public want us to get on with this and carry out what

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they voted for? Does he accept that the public will not look likely

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remembrance brought in by parties that want another referendum to

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delay unnecessarily but do want amendments that clarify and make us

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all aware of the Government's intentions? She goes right to the

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heart of the matter. The public will not view well attempts to thwart

:28:39.:28:45.

this process, to delay this process and confuse it. They will

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hallucinate -- hallucinate helping the position and negotiation and

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that is what the Government is going to do. There is a genuine desire I

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believe the people to come together to support the Government, to build

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a consensus, to get the best deal possible. The reality is we have

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abandoned the single market, we have abandoned the free movement of

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people without any debate, never mind a vote in this place. On that

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basis... Somebody said we have had a referendum. There was one question

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on the paper. Leads-macro or Remain. We are leaving the European Union.

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As I have asked... I take my right honourable friend's take as a man of

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his word, when I voted out -- in that motion in December, I didn't

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agree that with the triggering of -- didn't agree with the triggering at

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the end of March. I thought we would have a plan and I would like a White

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Paper which we could debate. It will bring us together. What does my

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right honourable friend have to lose on a White Paper? She holds

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passionately a well formed view that firstly in terms of bringing people

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together, a large part of the Prime Minister's speech was aimed at

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creating a sense of this country which everybody can get behind.

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Ranging from protection employment rights, through to a role in the

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world. All of them very important. She laid out the clear future for us

:30:37.:30:43.

and the future approach for us. I think that she did everything one

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could ask the Prime Minister, to deliver on those undertakings. The

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point I would make to her now is she says these things weren't on the

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ballot paper. What was on the ballot paper was leaving the European

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Union. It is difficult to see how you can do that and still stay

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inside the single market with the commitments that go with that. What

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we have come up with and I hope to persuade her, is this is well worth

:31:17.:31:21.

game. There is the idea of a comprehensive free trade agreement

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under a customs agreements which will deliver the exact benefits as

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we have there but also enable my right honourable friend to go and

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foremost trade deals with the rest of the world also. It is the upside

:31:33.:31:36.

of living -- leaving the European Union. Last week in her speech the

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Prime Minister said and I quote, "The Government will put the final

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deal that is agreed between the UK and the EU to vote in both Houses of

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Parliament before it comes into force." Article 15 negotiation is

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not the final deal. -- Article 50. It is the future trading agreement

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between the UK and the EU. Can the Secretary of State confirm that

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Parliament will get a vote on both the Article 50 agreement and as the

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Prime Minister said, the final deal and what will happen if Parliament

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says, no, to the terms of either of these agreements? The answer is yes.

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We are standing by both of those. The point is they would be the only

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votes. There will be a large number of other votes in between. The

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Labour Party can ignore it till the cows come home but they will have

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many, many votes on many different policy areas after very extensive

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debate on primary legislation. The parliament will have a great

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influence on this process and it will have the final say. That is a

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democracy in action. Further to that last reply, my right honourable

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friend has given Abril clarity on Article 50. Can he give more

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information on the timetable of the great Repeal Bill. It will be in the

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Queen's Speech. I expect it to be debated extensively and it will be

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the centrepiece and the start of a major debate about the nature of

:33:28.:33:31.

this country in the future and therefore it is important to get it

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in the House very early. For the final vote offered by his Government

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on the negotiated package, it is not a meaningful boat -- vote unless the

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Government guarantees if there is a vote against the withdrawal treaty,

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there will be an option to have continued talks for a better deal

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rather than falling out with no deal at all. Can he guarantee we will

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have bad vote in time for that further discussion to happen? Let me

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make this point to the honourable lady. This is where those arguments

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where we said we won't have a second referendum so can revisit. What it

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does is it gives a price to somebody trying to put up the worst possible

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negotiation for us. There are plenty of members in the EU who want to

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force us into making us change our mind and going back inside. We do

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not want to do anything which allows or encourages that to happen. She is

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not right to say this boat is meaningless. The select committee

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and the opposition both asps for it. Second hourly, it will be the last

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of many, many votes and debates on major legislation. It means saying

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that one is going to leave the European Union and actually doing

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it. Soft Brexit means saying one is going to lead the European Union and

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remaining in all but name. Which course does the Government intend to

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follow? In his younger days, my honourable friend was an expert in

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Soviet propaganda. I'm afraid I view hard Brexit and soft Brexit as terms

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of propaganda. Can the Secretary of State guarantee that this house will

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have the ability to both scrutinise and vote on the agreement between

:35:43.:35:47.

the UK and the EU at the same time that that agreement is put before

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the European Parliament? I will say it over and over again in a series

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of primary legislation and finally on the vote itself. How the timing

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of that will coincide with the European Parliament, I have not

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given a great deal of thought too and I will do and I will write to

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her. In the course of the court case, great stress was laid on the

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irrevocably witty of Article 50. In those circumstances, the problem

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facing the House is that in triggering Article 50, that

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irrevocably to has to be matched against the excellent words of my

:36:36.:36:39.

right honourable friend, the Prime Minister, setting out a plan which

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is envisaging a future relationship with the European Union from outside

:36:44.:36:48.

of it. In those circumstances, could I urge my right honourable friend to

:36:49.:36:53.

keep in mind that the debate on Article 50 is likely to be greatly

:36:54.:37:00.

facilitated if the ideas expressed by the Prime Minister are put into a

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White Paper or similar document to which in fact reference can be made

:37:05.:37:10.

in the triggering of Article 50. Without festering the Government's

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discretion in its negotiations thereafter. This comes down to an

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issue of trust and if the Government can build that trust, it will

:37:20.:37:26.

greatly facilitate its task and those such as myself who wish to

:37:27.:37:33.

help the Government, in what it is trying to achieve. My old friend

:37:34.:37:38.

tempts me down a route but I will answer in these terms. In the case,

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the report by the Government did not depend upon the irrevocably witty or

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otherwise of the legal issue in front of us. It depended on the fact

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that we view the moment as being June 23 last year. It is not in the

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gift of the Government to change its mind. We have passed the point of no

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return. I have said over and over again I will provide what

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information I can, as much information as I can without

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undermining our negotiated position. I will continue to do so through the

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article process and beyond. We know negotiations of a two-way process

:38:22.:38:25.

and we accept that our European partners may not be able to agree on

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anything until the German and French elections are out of the way. In the

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meantime, there is a logic to why Article 50 should be triggered by

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the end of March. It has to do with a two-year process by the time we

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put this next elections, we will have completed that process. It is

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important not to remind colleagues in this house but pro -- colleagues

:38:46.:38:49.

in the other house that there is logic to an end of March date. The

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honourable lady gets the point of the matter. There are many reasons

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for the triggering by the end of March. The rather obvious one is

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that the public wants us to get on with it and that includes Leavers.

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There are practical reasons of business uncertainties will stop the

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longer we spin this out, the more difficult it is for businesses and

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workers about their own future. She is right that it fits neatly in

:39:19.:39:24.

terms of delivering an outcome which is in our interests in the European

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timetable both in that there are roughly 15 elections between now and

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the end of the process. Then there is a European Parliament election

:39:39.:39:41.

which if we get too close to it, could compromise the vote at the

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end. There is a series of reasons why the end of March is incredibly

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important. It is not an arbitrary date, it is designed to uphold the

:39:52.:39:59.

strength of their negotiations. As one who campaigns to remain in the

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European Union, I welcome the decision of the court today which

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gives me the opportunity to show I accept the result of the referendum

:40:08.:40:10.

and I will vote for the bill triggering Article 50. Could I also

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say at the risk of repetition, it would help further the authority of

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the House and the authority of which the EU goes to the negotiations, it

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will take on board the unanimous view of the select committee and the

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expressed by the chairman of the select committee and others. The way

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in which the Prime Minister set out with the clarity of her expression

:40:35.:40:37.

about the plan, it is only enhanced and the work of the House is

:40:38.:40:42.

endorsed by the Supreme Court judgment and it is enhanced by the

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publication of that and the opportunity to debate and cover a

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number of things which the bill cannot itself cover. I thank my

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honourable friend for the tone of his question. The issue here is not

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information. I have said over and over again, I will provide as much

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information as is consistent with the previous motions on this. That

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is what we will do. We will provide as much information as possible but

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there remind that the Article 50 bill will be presented quickly to

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the House. Today's ruling is a victory for transparency and

:41:31.:41:34.

openness but a half-hour speech by the Prime Minister outside of this

:41:35.:41:37.

house with a couple of questions to the media is no substitute the

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Parliamentary scrutiny. The Secretary of State take on board

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their views of members of all size of this house and please bring

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forward a White Paper which I think will unite this house in order to

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forge a way forward? I have been at this dispatch box one

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statement alone five times and I am at great risk of boring beehives.

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But I would repeat to her what I have said already, the maximum

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possible information and debate is what we will deliver. I think this

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House should be grateful to both the Supreme Court and to the High Court

:42:20.:42:23.

for a certain parliamentary sovereignty and allowing us to have

:42:24.:42:30.

a say on the Article 50 process, and I agree with my friend who said he

:42:31.:42:34.

will vote for Article 50, I will too, but with regards to the

:42:35.:42:40.

question of a swift passage of the bill, and I would agree with him, do

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you not agree that when Parliament voted, the Heysel voted for the

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motion in December, not just in relation to the 31st of March

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deadline but also in relation to the publication of a plan? I would

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suggest to him that the passage of the bill will be swifter if a white

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paper is published and debates happen on that too, and the bill

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with the Article 50 process is separate. I hear what you said, I

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just have to reiterate the same point, becoming very boring, but we

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will provide as much possible information subject to not

:43:20.:43:25.

undermining our position. In 2014 in Scotland, we were told we

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had power is Parliament and with equal partner in the UK, but we are

:43:32.:43:35.

not equal to the likes of Belgium and we will not be consulted on

:43:36.:43:41.

Brexit. It is clear Scotland will be taken out against well. As the UK

:43:42.:43:47.

Government pursues Brexit, Scotland must take the opportunity of an

:43:48.:43:51.

independence referendum. And as the Scottish Parliament is not

:43:52.:43:54.

consulted, will at least Scottish members of Parliament in this House

:43:55.:44:00.

be taken into account and respected? Is the answer to the honourable

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gentleman, another old friend of mine, is of course. I have spent a

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great deal of time also speaking directly to the Scottish Government

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and while we are at it the Welsh and Northern Ireland government. In this

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process, it is important we protect the interests of the people he

:44:21.:44:24.

represents, the people of Scotland, in this negotiation. I welcome the

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Secretary of State's commitment, giving as much information as he can

:44:35.:44:38.

to the House and its committees. Could he explain why the government

:44:39.:44:43.

isn't providing any evidence to the foreign effect committee's enquiry

:44:44.:44:46.

into practical consequences of leaving the European Union after no

:44:47.:44:52.

agreement in place and how come that is a distinct possibility and one

:44:53.:44:56.

over which the government cannot command the outcome? Surely it would

:44:57.:45:00.

be best for the country and everyone affected by this in the land to

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better understand the consequences as clearly as possible so they can

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plan for it? As I said, we will provide as much information as we

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can. One thing I will point out however is that this is the question

:45:15.:45:20.

of negotiation, and we do not know what the endgame will be. Even the

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rather stark example he cites might have aspects which are different. I

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put and he is talking about the trade aspect. There are so many

:45:31.:45:35.

different things to assess. It would be guesswork at this stage.

:45:36.:45:42.

Today, the government has been humiliated in the Supreme Court. It

:45:43.:45:48.

has been taught a lesson about the real meaning of parliamentary

:45:49.:45:52.

sovereignty and taking back control. Will be Secretary of State now

:45:53.:45:58.

accept this verdict in the spirit as well as the letter of the ruling and

:45:59.:46:04.

finally concede that this House needs votes along the way, not

:46:05.:46:11.

simply debates without votes, and proper parliamentary scrutiny? Then

:46:12.:46:13.

together working across this House we can bring the country to the best

:46:14.:46:19.

possible deal in the interests of all of our areas up and down this

:46:20.:46:26.

country? Two things. Firstly I really recommend she read the

:46:27.:46:29.

judgment rather than interpreting it with her own glass. The detail of

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it, it is good and signed, as indeed I said in my opening statement. As

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for giving continuous votes and information, I have said that all

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the today. The bill should be brief and I'd come simple. Point of

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principle. But as the Secretary of State aware that, if the opposition

:46:53.:47:00.

parties can bind -- conveying to constrain the negotiating hand, for

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instance by assisting on staying in the single market, which would been

:47:04.:47:10.

effectively remaining in the EU, is he aware that many of us believe

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that, in those circumstances, we should have an immediate General

:47:14.:47:17.

Election put to the people? That can then concentrate the minds of the

:47:18.:47:27.

Labour Party. He is asking media question which is way above my pay

:47:28.:47:32.

grade, to say the lead. And the person suited for it has left for

:47:33.:47:37.

now. But the point I would make is this, I would hope that every member

:47:38.:47:41.

of the towers would actually see it as their duty to their own

:47:42.:47:44.

constituents to deliver the best outcome. That is what the government

:47:45.:47:50.

strategy is, delivering the best outcome for Britain in this

:47:51.:47:56.

negotiations. First of all I am pleased by the case presented to

:47:57.:48:00.

hand the veto to the Northern Ireland assembly, Britain attempt to

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overturn the result of the referendum has failed. But can the

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Secretary of State tell us that, now the Northern Ireland assembly has

:48:11.:48:14.

been collapsed by Sinn Fein, what arrangements there will be to have

:48:15.:48:18.

the issues which concern Northern Ireland raised prior to negotiations

:48:19.:48:23.

and during those negotiations? With respect to his first point, it is

:48:24.:48:28.

not above the court was unanimous, whilst it was 8-3 judgment on the

:48:29.:48:32.

rest of the issue, it was unanimous on that matter of not allowing the

:48:33.:48:39.

veto to the executive. In terms of maintaining, not so much and a

:48:40.:48:43.

relationship, but understanding of the issues that relate to Northern

:48:44.:48:48.

Ireland, last week when we had joined the Dennis Taylor committee I

:48:49.:48:51.

wrote to the Northern Ireland Executive to ask them to continue to

:48:52.:48:55.

send ministers to represent the interests of Northern Ireland. --

:48:56.:49:03.

when I joined the Justice committee. When the First Minister and Deputy

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First Minister disappear in the interim, other ministers remain.

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Last week, they did turn up. I will continue to extend that invitation

:49:13.:49:16.

to that end. If that doesn't work we will find some other bilateral way.

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But take it as read, I take this as they are the top of my River Tees,

:49:21.:49:25.

if not top, to preserve the situation in Northern Ireland,

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preserving the border in its current state, not hardening it, and

:49:29.:49:31.

preserving the interests of the Northern Irish people. No bill that

:49:32.:49:38.

goes through parliamentary scrutiny is not a better bill before it

:49:39.:49:44.

becomes an act of Parliament. Could the Secretary of State announced

:49:45.:49:47.

when we will get a business statement question back then we know

:49:48.:49:51.

the timetabling? Hopefully we can have a date for the second reading.

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Can I urge the Secretary of State to say we will give ample time for the

:49:56.:49:59.

committee stage so that the House can properly scrutinised it before

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the bill goes through to the Lords? On his last point, that will be my

:50:05.:50:09.

intention, certainly. On the first point, the business didn't, there

:50:10.:50:12.

will be won on Thursday anyway. It is a 96 page judgment. Bring to this

:50:13.:50:20.

Appeal Court was insuring we got an authoritative, detailed, final

:50:21.:50:23.

judgment on what we need to do and how we need to do it. We have to

:50:24.:50:27.

study that carefully. It will take a little tired but not much. Then we

:50:28.:50:32.

will come back to the House as soon as possible. -- take a little time.

:50:33.:50:37.

It is possible that the statement on Thursday will cover that. The

:50:38.:50:42.

Secretary of State keeps talking about certainty. But for my

:50:43.:50:47.

constituents, working in the manufacturing supply chain, given

:50:48.:50:50.

the Prime Minister's statement specifically on the customs union,

:50:51.:50:54.

they have nothing but uncertainty about their jobs. So what exactly is

:50:55.:51:00.

wrong with the suggestion from the member for Rushcliffe that the

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government to bring forward its policy on Brexit for a vote in this

:51:05.:51:13.

House? Well, she talks about certainty, we have negotiations for

:51:14.:51:16.

two years and nothing we can do to collapse that, nothing we should do,

:51:17.:51:20.

so that means there is a limit to the extent at which we can introduce

:51:21.:51:25.

certainty. I had not mentioned it up until then. And there will be debate

:51:26.:51:31.

after debate. Article 50, debate on policy, the great repeal bill the

:51:32.:51:36.

same, and in several subsequent pieces of primary legislation, no

:51:37.:51:43.

shortage of debate or votes. The obligation placed on the

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government's negotiating position during the passage of this bill may

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subsequently be subject to judicial review with consequent delay. I hope

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that my right honourable friend will judge the intentions that have been

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announced to amend the bill in that light. As he knows, I view everybody

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with a great charity and generosity and will continue to do so. Further

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to the question from the honourable member from Wellingborough, when the

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Labour government legislated for the Lisbon Treaty, Parliament had 25

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days, including 11 days of the committee of the whole House. We

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have 66 days now before the 31st of March. How many days as the

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Secretary of State planning to give as? Two things first. Wasn't at the

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Lisbon Treaty which was promised a referendum on, which we never got?

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So selling a false bill of goods is not a very good example to

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parliaments around the world. This is Article 50, the triggering

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process only, nothing more but the triggering process. There will be

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vast quantities of legislation, much more than the Lisbon Treaty, between

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now and the conclusion. Does he noticed that those who know talk

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about parliamentary sovereignty mean the YouGov Brussels? When they say

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scrutiny, they could mean delay. And with the spec, the mean

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condescension. British people have voted and we must legislate, don't

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you agree? As ever, my honourable friend speaks for England.

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We are all trying to get the best deal for our constituents, and that

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is why the Liberal Democrats will seek to amend the Article 50 bill to

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give people their first say on the terms of the UK's future

:53:56.:53:59.

relationship with the European Union and government plans to crash out of

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the single market, under customs union, inflicting huge damage on

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families and businesses up and down the country. Why did the government

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take this opportunity to boost their democratic credentials and simply

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agree to such a popular vote? I would ask the gentleman to exercise

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his brain on this matter. The consequence of putting a second

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referendum at the end of this negotiation is to invite every

:54:29.:54:32.

single member of the European Union who do not want us to leave to put

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the worst possible deal in the hope we change our mind. We're not to do

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that. Today, we uphold the rule of law by respecting the Supreme Court

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judgment. Will he agree with me that both Houses of Parliament must now

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respect the result of the referendum by swiftly passing this necessary

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act? He is as right as ever. You can see the phenomenal interest in the

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House in this particular issue and you should not be afraid of

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scrutiny. My honourable friend from Bishop Auckland asked how many days

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would be committed to proper scrutiny of all the issues

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surrounding Article 50 on the floor of the House. Can you accept that

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this bill is more important than the Lisbon Treaty bill, the Maastricht

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Treaty, and any attempts to curtail the opportunities for this House to

:55:28.:55:31.

scrutinise those issues would betray the fear that the government has

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offered proper debate? Is that received two things, firstly I don't

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think I've ever been run away from scrutiny, I spent more time at this

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dispatch box than any other Secretary of State in the last five

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months. In terms of what he is saying about the importance, of

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course it is important, and indeed I want to see as much time as we can

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possibly get for it to be discussed but that's a matter for the usual

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channels to discuss. But the point I would make is this, many people who

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see this bill is included late -- as incredibly important are seeing it

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as some sort of point of no return. The point of no return was passed on

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June the 23rd last year, this is carrying out the instruction of the

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British people. We will do so under full scrutiny of Parliament and its

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authorisation and will give time for that. But don't conflate that with

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the whole process the bill. Sorry, the negotiation. That will take

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much, much more than was given to Lisbon, much more time, because that

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number of legislation will take more time.

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The honourable member talked about democracy.

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He is the only representative of his political party here today. Will it

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be undemocratic if he were to go down to the House of Lords and

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encourage 120 unelected members to play ping-pong and mess about with

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this bill? We must deliver what the British people have asked for they

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will be looking at both houses. They will not have to delay the bill are

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necessarily better web proper process of scrutiny and deliver on

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the will of the people. The Supreme Court today has ruled clearly that

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the devolved legislatures do not have legislative confidence and

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capacity in relation to the UK leaving the European Union.

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Therefore it must for logically that the procedure called English votes

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the English laws should not be applicable when we come to the great

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repeal Bill. It is demeaning to those members who represent Wales,

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Scotland and Northern Ireland. When the Secretary of State has said and

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I believe him, that every effort will be made by this Government to

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hold together the United Kingdom, it will be helpful today if the Brexit

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secretary could rule out clearly the use of evil in terms of the great

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repeal Bill. I can't think of a circumstance where it might reply.

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The point I would say is it rests on a ruling by the Speaker and not by

:58:36.:58:47.

the Secretary of State. Could it releases from the acts such as our

:58:48.:58:57.

membership of the EE a? Bet is a debatable matter of law. There may

:58:58.:59:05.

be subsequent matters that arise after the triggering of Article 50

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and if so, we will come back to it. There is no reason why it shouldn't

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go to the end of March. Can I just urge the Secretary of State that

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when the business managers come knocking and say we should condense

:59:21.:59:24.

the processes that we should have several different stages on the same

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day, that the old member who flourished for a 20 years on the

:59:30.:59:34.

backbenches returns and fights hard for this house to say we will do the

:59:35.:59:40.

process properly? I will thank him not to refer to me as the old

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member. Of course I will ensure we get proper scrutiny. I think the

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honourable gentleman has not got another birthday until December.

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Today British judges in the highest court in the land decided a point of

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historic constitutional importance which was unprecedented in law. It

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was therefore right to seek the judgment of the Supreme Court to

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enable them to discover the law as us lawyers euphemistically call it.

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Crucially the Supreme Court recognise the limits of a Scotch

:00:21.:00:23.

additional powers when it left the form of that legislation to this

:00:24.:00:28.

Parliament. Is this not our Constitution thriving in action and

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does it not bode well for the future? She goes to the point that I

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made before the dispatch box. That is why we go to the Supreme Court.

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It was not just the issue of Article 50 and the House of Commons but the

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role of the devolved administrations which had to go to the Supreme Court

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in any event. Is the Minister aware that many of us warmly congratulate

:00:57.:01:01.

the judges, the Supreme Court and the High Court for upholding

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Parliamentary sovereignty which the Government tried to bypass in

:01:06.:01:11.

triggering Article 50? The judges are not the enemies of the people,

:01:12.:01:14.

they are the defenders of Parliamentary democracy. I don't

:01:15.:01:22.

think it goes back to this experience and he will finally ever

:01:23.:01:26.

finally referring to the judges of the people as enemies. I welcome the

:01:27.:01:38.

Secretary of State statement and the ruling which narrowed the scope of

:01:39.:01:42.

the opaque High Court ruling and allows us to pass a short, sharp

:01:43.:01:47.

bill to trigger Article 50. Does he agree that is is -- it is the

:01:48.:01:53.

responsibility in both houses to give effect to the British people

:01:54.:01:56.

bypassing that bill without delay? I agree. From my part, I will

:01:57.:02:03.

endeavour to make this Bill is straightforward and as

:02:04.:02:06.

comprehensible as possible. The reason I say this is because it is

:02:07.:02:10.

the public will be watching us and the public will want to know what it

:02:11.:02:16.

is we are voting on and to understand it. We will aim to

:02:17.:02:20.

present these straightforward bills which will take place as far as is

:02:21.:02:25.

consistent with proper scrutiny. Paragraph 151 of the ruling says the

:02:26.:02:32.

convention has an important role for facilitating harmonious

:02:33.:02:34.

relationships between the UK Parliament and the devolved

:02:35.:02:37.

legislatures. What will you do to ensure that is a harmonious

:02:38.:02:43.

relationship? Disagree -- agree with the ruling and write something down?

:02:44.:02:53.

-- does he agree. That section ends with the phrase that nobody has a

:02:54.:03:02.

veto. In terms of involving and looking after the interests of

:03:03.:03:08.

devolved administrations and the people they represent, we have got a

:03:09.:03:11.

whole process in place, a joint committee which is -- does nothing

:03:12.:03:17.

but consider these matters, consider the interests of the nations of the

:03:18.:03:25.

UK and to ensure that none of the political situation none of the

:03:26.:03:28.

economic situations are harmed in any way. There has been a couple of

:03:29.:03:40.

references to paragraph 122 of the Supreme Court judgment. It says

:03:41.:03:43.

there is no equivalence between the constitutional importance of a

:03:44.:03:46.

statute and its length or complexity. Under Article 50, it

:03:47.:03:52.

could be very short. Does my right honourable friend agree that is a

:03:53.:03:54.

very important message for members of the opposition? I will seek for

:03:55.:04:08.

decisive action. The Prime Minister says that no deal is better than a

:04:09.:04:15.

bad deal. Ending up on WTO rules could be the worst possible deal

:04:16.:04:20.

hitting businesses and families hard. Can I press the Secretary of

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State. Will there be a vote in this house at the end of the trade

:04:26.:04:30.

negotiations, not just the Article 50 process but the trade

:04:31.:04:34.

negotiations so that Parliament can decide what is in Britain's National

:04:35.:04:41.

economic interest? Apart from correcting this, there would be a

:04:42.:04:44.

simple trade negotiation. The European Union pretty much always

:04:45.:04:51.

insists on nothing is agreed until everything is agreed so justice and

:04:52.:04:54.

home affairs and security matters and a whole series of other issues

:04:55.:04:59.

will be tied into it. There will be a vote at the end of it. We have

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already agreed that. There has been a lot of talk of second referendums

:05:07.:05:11.

on Article 50 from someone on the opposite side of the House. Will my

:05:12.:05:15.

honourable friend reassure my constituents that the majority of

:05:16.:05:19.

whom voted to leave, that he will category rule out any second

:05:20.:05:32.

referendum? I take the view that the British people didn't know what they

:05:33.:05:39.

were doing first time round. It is patronising and undemocratic. It is

:05:40.:05:46.

improper. Rightly held by one of the smallest part is in the House. The

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answer is I will not be supporting a second referendum. The Welsh Labour

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Government and Plaid Cymru Bill have in good faith come together to

:06:01.:06:08.

establish how Brexit ends. Why will he not do likewise? I spoke to

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Carwyn Jones yesterday and I haven't had the chance to read it in detail.

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It struck me as a constructive submission to the process and we

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will be debating it at the next committee. Joy shall be in heaven

:06:23.:06:28.

over one sinner that the Pentre. Will my right honourable friend join

:06:29.:06:33.

with me in sharing my delight that those who had previously been happy

:06:34.:06:38.

for sovereignty to be dispatched to Brussels now believe in the southern

:06:39.:06:41.

tree of the UK Parliament? Apart from the fact that...

:06:42.:07:03.

The judgment is welcome in establishing that the will of this

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house is superior, is sovereign to the Royal prerogative but is

:07:11.:07:15.

unwelcoming seeking to take back from Wales, Scotland and Northern

:07:16.:07:19.

Ireland, powers that have been devolved to them. Can we promised

:07:20.:07:24.

that the special needs of Wales, who will be hit most severely and

:07:25.:07:29.

withdraw from the single market, we have a Brexit that is not just a

:07:30.:07:36.

red, white and blue Brexit, but a red white and green Brexit is that

:07:37.:07:44.

meets the needs of Wales also? Firstly I think you misread the

:07:45.:07:48.

judgment. It doesn't talk about taking back powers from the devolved

:07:49.:07:56.

administrations at all. As for... As I answered, the interests of the

:07:57.:08:05.

people of Wales have been put together in a paper which has been

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submitted to the joint ministerial committee and will be debated at the

:08:12.:08:14.

next meeting of the European negotiating arm of that committee.

:08:15.:08:20.

The Supreme Court judgment was decisive in its reference in the

:08:21.:08:24.

position of the devolved assemblies. Given that is the case, what my

:08:25.:08:28.

right honourable friend agree that now was the time for the states men

:08:29.:08:34.

and women of the devolved assemblies to respect the decision of the

:08:35.:08:38.

Supreme Court and to work constructively with the Government

:08:39.:08:42.

for the greater good of the UK of which they are very much a part? I

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could not have put it better myself. I will vote to trigger Article 50

:08:51.:08:54.

but I also have a duty to scrutinise the Government deal to ensure it

:08:55.:08:58.

does not make my constituents poorer. My constituents have a right

:08:59.:09:06.

to know how much the Supreme Court appeal cost them. Would he tell us?

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I don't have that number in my mind. I don't. I have been studying the

:09:12.:09:16.

agreement today, not the agreement, the judgment. I will provide it to

:09:17.:09:24.

her as soon as I can. About the spending of money on a Supreme Court

:09:25.:09:29.

judgment, I'm sure it will be expensive on one level. Lawyers are

:09:30.:09:38.

expensive. I'm sure he is a much more expensive lawyer. It is the

:09:39.:09:44.

greatest compliment I can pay him. Let me make a fundamental point.

:09:45.:09:48.

When we are dealing with something as important as this, I don't think

:09:49.:09:53.

anybody in the House questions the importance of the constitutional

:09:54.:09:57.

decision that has been made today. It is incredibly pump -- important

:09:58.:10:01.

it has been made on solid ground and with proper authority, made in a way

:10:02.:10:05.

which the Government can interpret properly to deliver the right

:10:06.:10:10.

outcome. I have made this point more than once to stop therefore,

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frankly, it will be worth whatever we pay for it. He is the right man

:10:16.:10:23.

in the right place at the right time. 61% of the people in Kettering

:10:24.:10:27.

voted to leave the European Union. They will take comfort that there is

:10:28.:10:31.

nothing in today's judgment that will delay the process and they were

:10:32.:10:35.

like the fact that their member of Parliament will obey their

:10:36.:10:38.

instructions and vote to trigger Article 50. I commend all other

:10:39.:10:45.

members to do the same. All I can say is I am surprised it was only

:10:46.:10:52.

61% in his constituency. The judgment's terms tell us we should

:10:53.:10:58.

not rely on mere political convention for legal adherents or

:10:59.:11:01.

political confirmation on key matters. That means it will be

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meaningless in the context of the great Repeal Bill but does he

:11:09.:11:11.

recognise that the key constitutional precept of the Good

:11:12.:11:15.

Friday agreement in terms of the principle of consent and that

:11:16.:11:18.

potential for united Ireland, is something that will have to be

:11:19.:11:23.

explicitly included in any new UK treaty. If those provisions are a

:11:24.:11:30.

matter that the people of Ireland without impediment or fully

:11:31.:11:33.

reflected under the terms of the Supreme Court judgment properly

:11:34.:11:40.

reflected. I am not going to reiterate the fact of the Supreme

:11:41.:11:46.

Court judgment on the Irish aspect in question today. He can read that

:11:47.:11:49.

more authoritatively in the judgment. I have said to him before

:11:50.:11:56.

in this house. There is more than one guarantee on this. The British

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Government is determined to preserve the peace settlement and all that

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underpins it. The Irish Government is determined to underpin it. And so

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is the commission. I will say something nice about the commission

:12:11.:12:15.

on this. When I spoke to my opposite number, he was reminding me that he

:12:16.:12:21.

was involved in the original peace process himself. And so all of the

:12:22.:12:27.

parties to this have a vested interest in delivering what he

:12:28.:12:28.

wants. He extolled last week he liked to

:12:29.:12:39.

please his boss, and has wonderful speech last week, and could I say to

:12:40.:12:43.

him he could unify the whole side of the host by publishing a white paper

:12:44.:12:50.

based on are both' excellent speech, which I'm sure will make an even

:12:51.:12:57.

more popular with our boss? I thought I was actually rather

:12:58.:12:59.

restrained given she was sitting there. But I wasn't prompted by the

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honourable lady who gave me the line last time about Her Majesty, I think

:13:10.:13:17.

it was. Nearly. I nearly said, absolutely. I will not rehearse all

:13:18.:13:22.

of the arguments again. I will provide whatever information I can,

:13:23.:13:28.

as much as I can, as promptly as I can, bearing in mind this process is

:13:29.:13:37.

likely to start next week. I agree with the Secretary of State, the

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Prime Minister was very, very clear last week in her speech that we are

:13:41.:13:46.

now leaving the single market, and likely the customs union. Before the

:13:47.:13:50.

referendum his government said that that would cost the British people

:13:51.:13:55.

?66 billion, or roughly half the cost of the NHS per year, and does

:13:56.:14:00.

the government stand by that estimate is that a different one and

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could you tell us what it is today? Two things, first thing is I think

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the deputy governor of the Bank of England spoke about the Michael Fish

:14:13.:14:17.

moment for economic forecasters. Maybe he could elaborate on that

:14:18.:14:20.

next time he is asked. The second point is this economic models and

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forecasts are only as good as the assumptions going into them. The

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point that the Prime Minister was making last week was not just that

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we will not be members of the single market but that we will seek the

:14:36.:14:40.

freest and most barrier free access in the interests of the people of

:14:41.:14:44.

Wales and others. They are going to seek that. But the negotiation is

:14:45.:14:49.

not complete yet. We will seek that, and if we succeed, it will be hugely

:14:50.:14:57.

valuable for the people of Wales. The EU referendum saw a 72% turnout

:14:58.:15:02.

for a clear vote for leaving the European Union. It showed a strongly

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held at will by the British people. Do you agree with me that the

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Liberal Democrat call for a second referendum, I think one honourable

:15:14.:15:18.

member turned up today, no not here, it shows they do not care about the

:15:19.:15:21.

public view unless they get their way. I am tempted looking across the

:15:22.:15:32.

chamber to say, what Liberal Democrat? And as she said there was

:15:33.:15:36.

only one here at most, showing is they did take this incredibly

:15:37.:15:39.

important issue. I think the public at large will take a view of the

:15:40.:15:43.

Liberal Democrats on this, as they are using it for the want to go

:15:44.:15:50.

purpose, not the national interest. There have been a lot of questions

:15:51.:15:53.

understandably today about process, but also an emerging Brexit reality

:15:54.:15:59.

in the country for which this government is responsible. 1000 jobs

:16:00.:16:05.

going from London to Paris with HSBC. Toyota, Lloyd's of London, UBS

:16:06.:16:10.

and Nissan all reviewing their operations. Exactly how many jobs as

:16:11.:16:16.

the government prepared to lose to other European countries whilst we

:16:17.:16:20.

negotiate our exit from the European Union? I could stand here for ten

:16:21.:16:24.

minutes saying things like Google, Microsoft, all those companies who

:16:25.:16:29.

have decided, McDonald's, decided to be here. I will say this, we have

:16:30.:16:34.

the highest employment and lowest unemployment for a considerable

:16:35.:16:41.

time, completely contrary to the pessimistic predictions of many

:16:42.:16:45.

people after the Brexit results. I'm afraid if you want to look at a

:16:46.:16:53.

dominant station of high badly wrong -- demonstration of how badly wrong

:16:54.:16:55.

the establishment of Britain got this, just look at those numbers.

:16:56.:17:01.

Exiting the EU is uncharted territory. There will be naturally

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uncertainties and challenges, and will you tell the House what steps

:17:06.:17:09.

you are taking and the government is taking to communicate with British

:17:10.:17:13.

businesses to ensure that we can build confidence and foster economic

:17:14.:17:18.

growth in the months ahead? To be frank, I can sense in the numbers,

:17:19.:17:24.

but they are beyond counting now. The number of meetings, with

:17:25.:17:31.

manufacturing, aviation, tours and, finance, banking, and so on, but not

:17:32.:17:37.

just ministers in my department but all across government, they are

:17:38.:17:42.

talking to their own client industries as it were to ensure that

:17:43.:17:47.

they know what their concerns are, what the opportunities are, and what

:17:48.:17:50.

policy measures we have to take to maximise the opportunities and

:17:51.:17:56.

mitigate concerns. And what we are beginning to see, it took a few

:17:57.:18:00.

months, but we are beginning to see a change in mood and to see the

:18:01.:18:05.

opportunity rather than the concern, which is an incredibly important

:18:06.:18:09.

change in mood in the country. You have twice said that the point of no

:18:10.:18:17.

return was on June the 23rd. He has ruled out a white paper, ruled out

:18:18.:18:22.

of order on the plan. Does he agree that neither the words customs

:18:23.:18:27.

union, nor a single market, were on the ballot paper? And if this House

:18:28.:18:34.

decides that it does not wish to proceed at some point with the

:18:35.:18:39.

process after Article 50 has been triggered, do we then leave

:18:40.:18:47.

automatically or is it reversible? Let me say firstly about what was

:18:48.:18:52.

not on the ballot paper. Listing two people say this is rather like say,

:18:53.:18:56.

you said you would sell the car, but the engine and the tyres as well.

:18:57.:19:01.

These components, these elements of the common external tariff barrier,

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the common commercial policy, the will of the European Court of

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Justice, all of these things are components of the UPN union, which

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the public voted to leave. -- of the European Union. That is the first

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thing I would say. But beyond that, he also miss quotes me in terms of

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what I have said about votes and debates. There will be any number of

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votes and debates in the coming two years, many of them about the issues

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he talks about. I fully support the words from all quarters today in

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support of judges who really are the best, most inscrutable and highest

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quality I've seen anywhere in the world. But those warm words need to

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be matched by action by all members in the House today, and in

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particular just as the government is supporting and accepting the verdict

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today, that members accept the words of the Supreme Court in respect of

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the fight but a small bill can have just the power of a larger one and

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that those from some of the devolved parts of the United Kingdom accept

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the verdict as well. And in terms of cost, if he is publishing the costs

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of the government in the Supreme Court, ask the devolved assemblies

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particularly in Scotland to publish how much taxpayers money has been

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spent on joining the action? I will pick up cost. I will provide those

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numbers, no problem. But I will make one point in all of this. They were

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not the people who put the case. We were not the people who put the

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case! So the cost of this is a direct outcome of that. I am not one

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of those, with animal noises from the other side notwithstanding, I am

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not one of those who criticise those who brought the case. It was an

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important constitutional case which is why I think whatever because it

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was worth doing. But don't say to the government why did you defend

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the case? Cause a massively important constitutional issue was

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at stake. My honourable friend is right that we should take it

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seriously and as the status of our law today and will be. We are

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supposed to have the most important devolved parliament in the world.

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The Scotland act or does this all convention is embedded into law. We

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now know that those acts as really worth the paper they are written on.

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When will you do something and act? If you do not accept the very

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reasonable proposals be put to him the Scottish people will ask quickly

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what is the point of being here at all? The first thing I would say to

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him is, if I remember it correctly, the Supreme Court's comments on the

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convention is it was not for the judges to decide, but the point I

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would make is also this but I listened last week at great length

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to the Scottish Government Minister present the arguments in their

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paper. And as I said earlier to one of his colleagues, there are bits of

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that they disagreed with. There are bits of it that we are absolutely

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agreeing that, the most obvious one from my point of view is protection

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of employment law, which I take very, very seriously and we are on

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the same place on that. I talked through with him and others in the

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committee the issue of devolution. And the clear point was no existing

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devolved powers were going to be withdrawn or retracted. Of course

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that will not happen. But of course we have to think in rational terms

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in the interests of the Scottish people and the wider citizens of the

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United Kingdom. We need to have decisions on where the best place to

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make those decisions is. I would like to devolved powers but in some

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cases it is not practical and that is what we have to do, what is right

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for the people, not what's its political interest. -- not what

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suits. I am confident that every member of

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this House will vote to trigger Article 50. Who would they go

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against the will of the people? Do you share my one concern that the

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implications of this case could have an affect on, for example, the

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government's decision to go to war? Could that be challenged by example

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by a member of the public? No, I don't think he's right on that. It

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is a 96 page judgment which we have to go through the detail on. But

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this was confined to two aspects, or at least the major part of the case

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that. The implication specifically for the ECA, and for those treaties

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which have an effect on the domestic legal rights of citizens. I don't

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think that the decision to go to war would fall within that. However, he

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raises more broadly a very important point, because we are in an era when

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the exact feature of the Royal Troon it has to be established and

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understood, particularly when we are understood in complete command of an

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future. -- when the exact feature of the Royal Prerogative of Mercy be

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established. We have to consider where we have to go back for

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authorisation and one of the reasons why we're taking time to be

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detergent. The Secretary of State has mentioned a few times about this

:24:48.:24:51.

being a massive exercise in democracy. I just want to put to him

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that are very useful tool in a participatory democracy is issuing

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White papers. I really do not understand why the Secretary of

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State has set his face so against doing that when they are about to

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make the most important decision of many, many generations and trigger

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Article 50. One of the things that were said by the chairman of the

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Select Committee, unfortunately not here now, was that they wanted the

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plan as quickly as possible, before the middle of February. I said it

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would be difficult to turn out if full White Paper before then. One of

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the virtues of delivering this through the prime ministerial speech

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of some length was that we can do it quickly, make it very clear and

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everybody would understand it, and it got coverage around the world in

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a Kiwi which wouldn't have been available for any other medium. --

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in a way which. But the point that matters here is that people remain

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free, and something to tease me of course, about my history as an

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activist for parliamentary votes. -- people remain to be. The point of a

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member is the only here because we represent constituents, and people's

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interests, and what I have done, or tried to do so far, is to provide as

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much information as possible. I keep repeating that. Let's take the plan

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with respect to what was asked by the Labour front bench and by what

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was asked by the Labour front bench and by they asked what we would do

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about the single market. Hopefully that there is no plane. The customs

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front bench and by what was asked by the Labour front bench and by what

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was asked by the Labour front bench and by they asked what they would do

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about the single market. Hopefully that is now plain. The customs

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union? Hopefully that is now clear. What role do we see for Britain in

:26:49.:26:50.

the world question mark hopefully that is now clear. But they cannot

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see what the outcome will be. We can give levels of certainty, as we have

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and will, as to what the aims and strategic objectives are, and we

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have done that. I also welcome the judgment today by

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the Supreme Court and I would like to lend my support to the Supreme

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Court but judges and I hope we do not see any repeat of the bile that

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was directed towards the High Court judges last year in the papers

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tomorrow. I welcomed the Prime Minister 's speech last week

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outlining a free trade agreement but I have received thousands of e-mails

:27:28.:27:29.

from constituents all wanting to have their say on this because 70%

:27:30.:27:36.

of them voted to remain inside the European Union. Does my Right

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Honourable Friend agree, without wishing to make him repeat himself

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again, that the best way to do this is to make sure that my constituents

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have their views heard by the use of a white paper? I'm afraid he has

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failed in not making me repeat myself! What the House has

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determined I would say, in is it just a minute or the quiz, I

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reiterate, the facts of the matter, it is the plan that matters, it is

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answering Parliament was my that matter. We have done all of those

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things. I will continue to provide whatever information I can without

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compromising our negotiating position. I will do that. I thank

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the Secretary of State for his answer when he said he has written

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to the Northern Ireland executive, but would he recognise that it has

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collapsed after eight months and may not have the confidence of the

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people of Northern Ireland, and the fact that they have no joint plan,

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with the Secretary of State make sure that the rights to all parties

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so that we get something that tells all of us where we are going? We

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accept the result, we need a quick resolution, but we must all be

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included. Would he do so? He raises an interesting point. Before I

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answer directly, may I say this? Of course I have sought to get the

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parties in the executive to continue sending a minister to the joint

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ministerial committee, but that is only one mechanism. There are

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others. We will be speaking, we have plans to speak to the Taoiseach next

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week so the Irish government interest will be represented and I

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will talk to others more directly. I went over this early on in my time

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in this Chair. I am inclined to say yes to him. Let me consider

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carefully, I am not going to land myself in some problem. The reason I

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am being cautious is because there is now an election underway and I

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have got to be very wary of the British Government appealing to sort

:29:57.:29:58.

of medal in any aspect of the election. Let me take pause and

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think about that and I will do what I judge is in the best interests of

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Northern Ireland and you must take that as my promise. The pace has

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slowed terribly in the last few minutes. What is required is a pithy

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question of the kind in which a Queens Counsel should specialise.

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Let us hear about the context of the textbook pithily, Lucy Fraser. The

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Supreme Court on the first page of a judgment stated that it wanted to

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emphasise the case is nothing to do with the terms of withdrawal, the

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arrangements for withdrawal or the detail as to any future relationship

:30:42.:30:46.

with Europe. In those circumstances, does the Secretary of State agree

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with me that all the Supreme Court decided was that, before pulling the

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trigger, they needed authorisation by Act of Parliament, and under the

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terms of the judgment at least, there is no obligation to set out

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the detail any deeper? With him today was my judgment it says that

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notwithstanding you legislative constraints, and I quote "The EU

:31:10.:31:14.

will enhance the double competence" I asked the Secretary of State the

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same question last week and I was dismayed that he was only able to

:31:19.:31:23.

provide his presumptions, so can you now provide actual, concrete

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examples of which types of powers will be devolved to the devolved

:31:28.:31:31.

administrations following our exit to the European Union? I rather

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suspect she missed richly from last week. What I should of said was that

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there are some elements -- that she misquotes me from last week. Some

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elements will stay in the centre, but there will be a number well

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we're going to have to debate the matter and the side and that will

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happen in the first instance in the joint ministerial committee. Single

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sentence questions with the abandonment of any preamble that

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comics might have had in mind. Once the Secretary of State should take

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seriously amendments to the legislation proposed in good faith

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he should give short shrift to those who seek to use amendments to derail

:32:13.:32:23.

or delay the process. I will. The Secretary of State has already

:32:24.:32:25.

attempted a sideline Parliament by refusing to publish a white paper so

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can he be very clear, will the bill be drafted in such terms as to allow

:32:30.:32:34.

not just amendments but substantive amendments, yes or no? I've been

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here 30 years. If you knows how to draft a bill that withstands any

:32:40.:32:42.

amendments I would like to hear about it. -- if he knows how. In any

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negotiation it is worth thinking about the other side. Lord Hill came

:32:49.:32:54.

to our committee and said that their strategy for negotiation is to come

:32:55.:32:56.

together with decisions being made otherwise we will be sending mixed

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messages. Does the Secretary of State agree? Yes, and I would hope

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that once we get through the article 50 process we will see a more

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collegiate attitude from all parts of the political spectrum. This is,

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after all, our national interest that is engaged. The Secretary of

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State reminded us that our job is to do what is in the best interests of

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our constituents. The city I represent has 8.5 million visitors

:33:26.:33:28.

each year, two universities and an economy that includes the head

:33:29.:33:36.

offices of EDF and MX. If I don't think that the guarantees offered by

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this government will protect everything that is great about my

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city will be agree that I cannot support this timescale? I am not

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about to protect him from his constituents, I am afraid. My

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comment to him is this. We are in negotiation. If he can point to me

:33:54.:33:58.

and negotiation can guarantee before it started I would be interested to

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hear it. I'm sure the Secretary of State would agree that it seems

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strange many are unaware that legislative changes will be needed

:34:07.:34:10.

on a whole range of issues as we meet, not just on the article 50

:34:11.:34:15.

point. If people try to use tricksy procedure in this House or anywhere

:34:16.:34:17.

else to try and restrict Article 50, it will just fuel scepticism and

:34:18.:34:23.

push people to vote lead. That is true and I think his constituents

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will notice. Someone who has been waiting a long time and must work

:34:30.:34:33.

out how to do it in a short sentence. Given that the legislative

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consent motion is now a political decision and there is no impediment

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for the government to bring one, can you advise a House of the government

:34:40.:34:43.

had a legislative consent contingency in place before the

:34:44.:34:48.

Supreme Court ruling, and why on Earth would he rule out bringing on

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-- bringing one now? Because I said that no component part of the United

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Kingdom has a veto. I have said that dozens of times in this House, if he

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had been listening. Can my Right Honourable Friend assure my

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constituents, a majority of whom voted to leave that he will allow

:35:08.:35:11.

nothing to get in the way of ensuring that the bill that he has

:35:12.:35:14.

announced will be passed as quickly as possible? Yes. Mr Speaker, the

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Secretary of State said in a statement that this government is

:35:22.:35:25.

determined to deliver the decision taken by the people of the United

:35:26.:35:29.

Kingdom, but of course, in Scotland, the country that those of us on

:35:30.:35:32.

these benches represent, voted to remain within the United Kingdom and

:35:33.:35:36.

the Scottish Government has been empowered by the Parliament to make

:35:37.:35:39.

sure that we remain within the single market. Why is he acting

:35:40.:35:43.

against the best interests of the Scottish people and will he not

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understand that, in refusing to accept our will,... Too long, too

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loud! We don't want to hear it, enough. Secretary of State. Number

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one, I don't think the interest of the Scottish National Party are the

:35:58.:36:00.

same as those of the Scottish people. Number two, as I remember,

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the Scottish nation voted to stay inside the United Kingdom. That

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United Kingdom which voted to leave the European Union. The World Trade

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Organisation has done a fantastic amount of work to reduce trade

:36:15.:36:18.

barriers around the world. It is the basis of our trading relationship

:36:19.:36:21.

with the US, where we have a trade surplus. Would my Right Honourable

:36:22.:36:26.

Friend agree with me that this is a great foundation for a trade deal

:36:27.:36:31.

with the EU, and it is for the EU now to do something about that? I

:36:32.:36:37.

agree. The Secretary of State has spoken a great deal about listening

:36:38.:36:40.

to the devolved nations, but will you listen to what they have to say

:36:41.:36:44.

about the importance of unfettered access to the single market? We

:36:45.:36:49.

already have. That was the point the Prime Minister was making when she

:36:50.:36:56.

said she wanted a barrier free, most facilitated trade with the EU. Mr

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Speaker, can my Right Honourable Friend is sure the 70% of my

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decisions who voted for Brexit that, if the Upper House were to attempt

:37:08.:37:11.

to thwart or delay that bill he has a contingency plan to make sure that

:37:12.:37:17.

we meet the March deadline? From what I remember of his constituency

:37:18.:37:20.

he has enough members of the Upper House in it to tell them himself!

:37:21.:37:29.

Will the Secretary of State recognise that 62% of people in

:37:30.:37:32.

Scotland voted to skate. The Scottish Government is not asking

:37:33.:37:38.

for a veto, it is asking for a compromise of Scotland maintaining

:37:39.:37:41.

membership of the single union. When will he actually work with them to

:37:42.:37:44.

achieve that? As I have said to several of his colleagues, we work

:37:45.:37:52.

at the joint ministerial committee, woo hoo we worked bilaterally, we

:37:53.:37:56.

seek to protect the influence of the older the Kingdom including, not

:37:57.:38:02.

least, Scotland. I don't want to frustrate the protest, but does he

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feel that the referendum result is the only factor that should govern

:38:06.:38:09.

the article with the vote, and isn't that tantamount to signing a blank

:38:10.:38:14.

cheque setting aside the views of our constituents? I don't want to

:38:15.:38:19.

frustrate the process but his question starts... That tells you

:38:20.:38:28.

something in its own right. This is the government seeking authorisation

:38:29.:38:32.

to trigger the start of the new negotiation which was what the

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British people voted for last year. It is not the only issue but it is

:38:39.:38:45.

the most important issue. This judgment rode roughshod through the

:38:46.:38:48.

school convention, so can the Minister assure me that he will seek

:38:49.:38:51.

meaningful discussions with the Scottish Government, discussions

:38:52.:38:55.

that respect and reflect the desire of the Scottish electorate to remain

:38:56.:39:03.

in the EU? I think the Scottish Government will be represented, it's

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case was represented to the Supreme Court and unlike the honourable

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gentleman, I don't pick and choose which bits I like or don't like, I

:39:13.:39:16.

go along with the Supreme Court because it is the highest court in

:39:17.:39:20.

the land, and we have to obey. The country voted to leave but my

:39:21.:39:25.

constituents did not vote for a cut in their living standards. There are

:39:26.:39:30.

genuine, serious concerns about the impact on the economy,

:39:31.:39:32.

manufacturing, higher education and research if the UK left the EU

:39:33.:39:38.

without a deal and fell back onto WTO rules. What assessment has he

:39:39.:39:41.

made of the risks of leaving with no deal in place, and will be published

:39:42.:39:46.

subject to proper scrutiny? Number subject to proper scrutiny? Number

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one, there were a great number of forecasts of how terrible things

:39:53.:39:56.

would be if people voted for Brexit. They were all...

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Not to fail to do so but the get one and that is what will protect her

:40:09.:40:13.

constituents if she's willing to pay attention to it. The Secretary of

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State the to the fact that he wants to reserve the interest of the

:40:19.:40:22.

people of Northern Ireland and that he understands that the peace

:40:23.:40:26.

settlement. Currently we are in an election which will be quickly

:40:27.:40:30.

followed by negotiations which Brexit will form an important part.

:40:31.:40:34.

In discussions with the Taoiseach and with the Irish government, will

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he ensure that special status is well considered for Northern

:40:41.:40:44.

Ireland, as part of those negotiations ensuing from the

:40:45.:40:50.

elections? There are many special circumstances that apply, and when I

:40:51.:40:53.

went to visit Northern Ireland, since I have been in this post, the

:40:54.:40:57.

sort of things that came out were the importance of the border, the

:40:58.:41:02.

single energy market, a series of things like that and we will

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continue to pay attention to them. I am going to be careful about asking

:41:06.:41:10.

questions because of the ongoing election, but I think she should

:41:11.:41:14.

take it as read that we take this very seriously indeed. The Secretary

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of State for Scotland is no longer in his place. He stole this House or

:41:24.:41:26.

at least five occasions that the school convention was being placed

:41:27.:41:29.

on a statutory footing by the Scotland Act. The Supreme Court

:41:30.:41:33.

today has said that it is not. Which of these two contradictory judgments

:41:34.:41:37.

currently holds the confidence of Her Majesty's government? It is not

:41:38.:41:42.

a contradictory judgment. This is a reserved matter. Surely the ruling

:41:43.:41:48.

confirms that Brexit means Brexit has been totally inadequate as any

:41:49.:41:51.

explanation to Parliament or its people. The devil is often in the

:41:52.:41:57.

detail, particularly the Tory detail. Surely that the Dell should

:41:58.:42:15.

be given in a form of a white paper. The strategic aims are very clear

:42:16.:42:18.

and they are designed to protect the interest of the people she

:42:19.:42:24.

represents. I notice that the judgment was issued during the

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course... And hope somebody will explain that. I wonder if he can

:42:27.:42:34.

tell us by the unelected Lords will have more of a say over the article

:42:35.:42:37.

50 processed only members the devolved institutions? I am trying

:42:38.:42:45.

to think of the significance in terms of the chairman of the Select

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Committee on Brexit. I did not hear half of his question so I will have

:42:50.:42:59.

to write to him on that. I could not hear that either. I will answer

:43:00.:43:06.

later. The rules in place means that Parliament construes nice

:43:07.:43:08.

legislation as it passes through this House. Will they commit to make

:43:09.:43:13.

sure there are two weekends between the first and second reading? That

:43:14.:43:20.

is not a matter for me. The Scottish Government has published a set of

:43:21.:43:24.

proposals to maximise the relationship of the European Union.

:43:25.:43:29.

Does the Secretary of State realise that not publishing a white paper is

:43:30.:43:33.

tantamount to political cowardice question I have never been accused

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of cowardice before so I do not know how to respond but the answer no

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Mac. Supporters of the Government's you

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are trying to delegitimise the opinions of others to thwart the

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decision to leave the European Union. Can I ask to conform to this

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House, having read the Scottish Government's position, there is no

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part of that document suggest that either Scotland or any other part of

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the United Kingdom should do anything other than leave the

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European Union? I am being very careful in the period since I have

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received that document not to criticise it publicly. I wanted to

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have that debate. I was cheering that Committee. I did not want to

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colour the cheering of the debate. You can put it into three

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categories. That I did not think would work, bits that were subject

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to debate, particularly about devolution issues, and that's that

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we are on the same page on matters like employment law. There are

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elements of the paper which will have run into problems, not just

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with the United Kingdom Government but other members of the European

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Union. It was criticised by the Spanish Minister. And also

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implicitly criticised by senior Norwegians. I do not think you can

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hold it up, some sort of ideal model of a perfect outcome. I am

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grateful to all 84 backbench members who took part in this series of

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exchanges. On the point of order, Mr Speaker, I told the House in good

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faith, Sir Craig Oliver vehemently denies that he or any other member

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of David Cameron's media team knew about the aborted trident test last

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June. He has said this to my parliamentary office staff in terms

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bordering on the rudeness. However, when he was invited to appear before

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the defence Committee today, he told the defence Committee clerk that he

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did not wish to attend as he had said he had left Number Ten to work

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for the iron maiden campaign before the test fired into place. Can I

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correct the record and assure the House that we held the most

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Live coverage of exiting the EU secretary David Davis making a statement on the process for triggering Article 50. The Supreme Court ruled that an Act of Parliament is needed to trigger Article 50, which will start the formal process for the UK leaving the European Union.