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restore justice to victims. Statement, the Secretary of State | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
that the European Union. David Davis. I will make a statement on | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
the Government's responds to today's judgment by the Supreme Court. This | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
Government is determined to deliver on a decision taken by the people of | :00:16. | :00:22. | |
the UK in the referendum to lead the European Union. We will move swiftly | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
to do just that. I can announce today that we will surely need to do | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
is legislation allowing the Government to move ahead with | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
invoking article 50 which starts the formal process of withdrawing from | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
the European Union. We received the lengthy 96 page judgment a few hours | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
ago and Government lawyers are assessing it carefully. This would | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
be a straightforward bill. It is not about whether or not the UK should | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
leave the European Union, that decision has already been made by | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
the people of the UK. We will work with colleagues in both houses to | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
ensure this bill is passed in good time by the end of March this year. | :01:02. | :01:11. | |
This timetable has been supported by this house. Let me go through the | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
issues step-by-step. The Government's priority following bit | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
referendum was to respect the outcome and ensure it is delivered | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
in the interests of the whole country. This house voted by six to | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
want to put the decision in the hands of voters and that bill passed | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
the other place unopposed. 6-1. There can be never going back. The | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
point of no return was passed on June 23 last year. The Government | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
has been clear that we must leave by following the process set out in | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
article 50 of the Treaty on European Union. People want and expect us to | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
get on with incrementing the decisions made. Let me turn to the | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
process fight invoking article 50 and the issues that arise from | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
today's Supreme Court judgment. The Government's view was that it is | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
lawful and proper that the Government to give effect the | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
decision of the people by the use of prerogative powers to invoke Article | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
50. Today, the Supreme Court has agreed with the High Court's | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
judgment that the prerogative power alone is insufficient to give notice | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
under article 50. That legislation is it required to provide the | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
necessary authorisation for this step. In addition, the supreme court | :02:27. | :02:38. | |
look at the legislative in triggering Article 50. Relations | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
with the EU and other foreign affairs matters are reserved to the | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
UK Government and parliament not too involved institutions. The Supreme | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
Court summary goes on to say that affords letters serves to not have a | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
veto on the UK's decision to withdraw from the European Union. I | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
will come back to our collaboration later in this statement. The Comte | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
has been giving thought to the steps we would take in the event of the | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
Supreme Court Paulding the High Court's view. First of all let me be | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
clear that we believe in and value the independence of our judiciary, | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
the foundation upon which the rule of law is built. Of course, we will | :03:21. | :03:29. | |
respect this judgment. Second, this judgment does not change the fact | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
that the UK will be leaving the EU and it is our job to deliver on the | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
instruction the people of the UK have given us. We will within days | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
introduced legislation to give the Government legal power to trigger | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
article 50 and begin the formal process of withdrawal. It would be | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
separate to the great repeal bill that will be introduced. This will | :03:52. | :03:59. | |
be the most straightforward bill possible to give the decision of the | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
people and respect the Supreme Court's judgment. The purpose of | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
this bill is to give the Government the power to invoke -- evoke ten | :04:09. | :04:16. | |
want -- Article 50 and leave the EU. It is what they would expect. | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
Portman -- Parliament will dispute this legislation but I trust no one | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
will make a vehicle for attempt to thwart the will of the people or | :04:25. | :04:34. | |
frustrate or delay the process. Our timetable for evoking Article 50 by | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
the end of March still stands. That timetable has given valuable | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
certainty to citizens and businesses across Europe. It is understood by | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
European partners and provides a framework for planning that | :04:48. | :04:54. | |
negotiation ahead. This house backed that timetable by a majority of 373 | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
in December and we will look forward to working closely with colleagues | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
to ensure the legislation Article 50 is passed in good time to allow us | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
to evoking by the end of March as planned. The Government's fifth and | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
final principle is to continue to ensure we deliver an exit in the | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
best interests of the whole of the UK. The Supreme Court has ruled in | :05:18. | :05:26. | |
favour of devolved legislative is in invoking Article 50. It in no way | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
diminishes our commitment to work closely with the people and | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
administrations as we move forward without withdrawal from the EU. Let | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
me conclude with the word on what the judgment means. I know this case | :05:41. | :05:48. | |
on an issue of such importance which arouses strong views on all sides | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
has not been without controversy. The court was asked the question, a | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
proper, thorough and independent process was gone through and it has | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
given its and set in law. We are law-abiding notion. Big UK is known | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
that the strength and independence of its judicial system. We will | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
build on this and are many other strengths as we leave the European | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
Union. We were once again be a fully independent sovereign country free | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
to make our own decisions. The parameter has set out a | :06:19. | :06:25. | |
comprehensive plan including our core negotiating objectives. -- | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
Prime Minister. She has been clear she once in a constructive | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
partnership for the EU and the UK, a partnership that would be good for | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
the UK and the rest of Europe. Today we are taking the necessary step to | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
research -- respect the decision by announcing a bill. It will be at | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
this Parliament to respect the decision it entrusted to the people | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
of the UK competition may talk on June 23. I commend the statement of | :06:50. | :06:58. | |
the House. Can I thank the Secretary of State. This is a good day for | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
Parliamentary sovereignty three. The Supreme Court has ruled that we | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
should have a say in this house on the Article 50 issue. Given the | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
issues involved, that is quite right and the Prime Minister was wrong to | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
have attempted to sideline Parliament in this process. This | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
bill is only to be introduced because the Prime Minister has been | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
ordered to do so. I hope in the aftermath there will be the attacks | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
on our judges that they were when the High Court gave its ruling. It | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
is the duty of all of us to defend them if they do and to do so | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
quickly. I hope the Secretary of State will join me in that | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
endeavour. The question now moves on to the proper role of Parliament and | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
the Supreme Court said nothing about the form of legislation. On issues | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
as important as this, it would be wrong for the Government to try to | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
minimise the role of Parliament or to seek to avoid amendments. I ask | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
the Secretary of State to confirm he won't take that approach. This is a | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
question of substance, not process. Last week the Prime Minister | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
committed herself to swapping then known benefits of single market | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
membership and the customs union for the hoped-for benefits of a | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
free-trade agreement. With a fallback position of bread in our | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
economic model. That high risk. There are big gaps and | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
inconsistencies and unanswered questions in the Prime Minister's | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
approach. If the Prime Minister fails in her endeavour, the cost | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
will be borne by families, working people and communities throughout | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
the UK. The stakes are high and the role of this house in holding the | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
Prime Minister and the Government to account through the process is | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
crucial. Labour excerpts and respects the referendum result and | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
will not frustrate the process. We will be seeking to lay amendments to | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
ensure proper scrutiny and accountability throughout the | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
process. That starts with a white paper or plan, speech is not a white | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
paper or plan and we need something to hold the Government to account | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
throughout the process. We can't have a speech is the only basis for | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
accountability that two years or more. That is the first step. There | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
needs to be reporting back procedure and then used to be a minimal -- | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
meaningful vote at the end of the exercise. The Government should | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
welcome such scrutiny, not try to resist it because the end result | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
would be better if scrutinised than it would otherwise be. I hope the | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
Secretary of State will confirm we will not seek to minimise | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
accountability. Whatever the court ruled, it is important that those | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
interests are taken into account. What a waste of time and money. | :09:44. | :09:57. | |
The High Court decision was 82 days ago. The Prime Minister could have | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
accepted them to introduce the bill. We could have debated the issues and | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
I would like the Secretary of State to lay out what a cost is to the | :10:09. | :10:16. | |
taxpayer of this appeal? Let me say this to the honourable gentleman. | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
The Prime Minister was not aiming to sideline democracy, she was | :10:23. | :10:36. | |
aiming... Order. The House is in an understandably excited and excitable | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
state. What I want to say to colleagues if they don't have to | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
look into the crystal ball when they can read the book. Member should | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
know that I always want to facilitate the fullest possible | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
questioning and scrutiny and it is right that it should happen. It is | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
also right that when the Secretary of State is responding to questions | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
come he was given a fair and courteous hearing. Aiming to carry | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
out the will of the people. 17.4 million people of them in the | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
national interest. If I may pick up on the point that the honourable | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
gentleman raised, the issue of our judges. I think I mentioned at | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
length three times in my statement that this is a nation of the rule of | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
law, independent judiciary is important and it is watched by other | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
countries as an example to themselves. All the people he could | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
criticise, I don't think I am at the front of the issue. Similarly on the | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
question of the process through Parliament, there is an interesting | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
litany through this whole process. Every single time I get up and I say | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
that I will give the House as much information as possible, subject to | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
not undermining the national interest will stop not undermining | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
our negotiating position and that is what we have done and what we will | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
continue to do. Not just through this bill but also through the great | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
repeal Bill, subsequent primary legislation, subsequent secretariat | :12:16. | :12:17. | |
-- second of legislation and the final vote at the end. | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
He told about membership of the single market. To have membership of | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
that, you have to give up control of borders, laws, rules, all of which | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
of course the Labour Party is single alert incapable of making a decision | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
on, let alone coming up with a policy on. As he talks about a plan. | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
The Prime Minister last week gave the 6500 word is closely argued | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
speech which has been recognised on all sides of this country and all | :12:50. | :12:57. | |
around Europe as an epitome of clarity, of very clear objectives, | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
vertically ends, very clear ambitions for this country. I don't | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
take that point at all. On the point more generally of scrutiny, we have | :13:07. | :13:15. | |
now had I think five statements, tender bits, as some 30 different | :13:16. | :13:24. | |
Selectric enquiries. -- ten debates. I hardly think that is an absence of | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
scrutiny of central government policy. And I have to say, the | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
honourable gentleman doesn't often surprise me, but for the ex-director | :13:35. | :13:43. | |
of the is to say that the Supreme Court is a waste of time, or taking | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
up matters is a waste of time, strikes me as quite extraordinary. | :13:51. | :14:00. | |
Quite extraordinary! Or the! I made this point over the last few | :14:01. | :14:08. | |
months many times. Taking the civil distance is in order to get the most | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
followed that of an clearest, crudest possible guidance in terms | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
of a major part of our Constitution. -- clearest, clearest possible | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
guidance. I don't think the gentleman has advanced the knowledge | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
of the House but look forward to the contribution of others. Mr Kenneth | :14:26. | :14:37. | |
Clarke. Mr Speaker, have you had the chance to know that my recently | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
published memoirs... LAUGHTER They are cited with approval in | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
paragraph 195. Do you share my surprise that that | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
is a minority dissenting judgment? More seriously do you accept that | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
parliamentary sovereignty has always meant that governments of the day | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
pursue broad policy objectives in the national interest and quite | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
willingly submit them to the judgment of the House, both debates | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
and two votes? And they only proceed with broad policy objectives when | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
they have the support of the majority in the House of Commons. So | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
would he gave me the government's assurance that this bill will be | :15:26. | :15:33. | |
drafted on the basis that it even proves the opportunities for the | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
government to give or withhold its consent to major policy objectives? | :15:37. | :15:45. | |
And will he pursue that approach in future years question actually | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
having one vote right at the end of the process with the highs will be | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
taught that either takes the deal the government has, or goes into the | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
alternative chaos of having no agreements with the EU or anybody | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
else, is not a very good substitute for the normal tradition of | :16:04. | :16:10. | |
consenting to the policy aims to the government aims of the day. We have | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
been skirmishing over this issue, I think for some 30 years. And was | :16:17. | :16:22. | |
with good humour. I will hope to respond to him in the same vein | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
today. Let me just take this characterisation. He repeated it on | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
television earlier. This characterisation of what the | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
government is proposing. We have already had ten debates and vast | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
numbers of other arguments. But in terms of what will happen going one | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
is a bill to authorise the triggering of Article 50. Then we | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
will have a great repeal Bill, Queen through the tyre corpus of European | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
law is as it applies to the United Kingdom, -- which will go through | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
all European law as it applies to United Kingdom, then major policy | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
change is coming, all again in front of the House, secondary legislation | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
again in front of both houses. And at the end of it, not just one vote, | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
but the vote that eventually decides whether the highs supports the | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
policy that we are proposing or not. That policy will be aimed solely at | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
advancing the interests of the United Kingdom. It gives the best | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
possible negotiated outcome that we can achieve. Having taken on board | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
the informing debate of this House of Commons over the entire two years | :17:33. | :17:41. | |
in the run-up to it. Firstly, can I welcome the judgment in anything | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
which strengthens parliamentary scrutiny over this process? There | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
was a time when the Secretary of State himself was a great champion | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
of parliamentary scrutiny, back in the dim and distant past. I'm sure | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
deep down inside he will be welcoming this judgment. I'm | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
wondering why. Why do they fear parliamentary scrutiny? Could they | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
be find out, and the Emperor has no clothes? That is talk of democracy, | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
and as a gentle reminder in terms of democracy, let me remind the | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
Secretary of State of this. When it comes to Scotland the Conservatives | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
got there was result at the General Election since 1865. -- worst | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
result. You have one MP! Furthermore what we are told today is that this | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
is a political decision. And as a political decision over the rule of | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
the devolved administrations, I hope this Parliament and government will | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
continue to continue to not legislate on areas that are the | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
responsibility of the Scottish parliament without its consent. And | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
that you believe the Judgment Day, Mr Speaker, said this should | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
enhanced devolution. If that is the case will be Secretary of State | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
killers today that no powers will be returned from the Scottish | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
Parliament to Westminster during the course of this process Chris Martin | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
will seek consent from the Scottish parliament before legislating on | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
areas over which it has responsibility? Again, I am | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
surprised the honourable gentleman said that. I thought the Scottish | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
National Party would give great importance to the electoral results | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
in the Scottish Parliament, in which the Conservative Party came second | :19:33. | :19:40. | |
this time, under the listed below -- under the great Britain Davidson. I | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
want to make two points to him. Firstly, the process that they have | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
gone through with the vote in the stations, the joint ministerial | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
process, it has been going on now for some months in the monthly | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
meetings, and the last one had a presentation from Mike Russell, the | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
Scottish Governor Minister, on the question of the Scottish and's | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
proposals, some of which we disagreed with, some we agreed with | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
absolutely, such as the protection of employment law, and some we will | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
debate the coming weeks and months. Most particularly to his point, the | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
question of devolution, and the vault powers, he knows he I support | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
devolution is and can say to him firmly that there will be no powers | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
existing in the devolved at the station will come back, but Pires | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
and the European Union which we have to decide where they are most | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
properly allowed. And the real issue there is that the practical | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
interests of all the nations in the United Kingdom, for example, | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
preserving the single market of the United Kingdom, preserving the | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
ability of the United Kingdom to do international deals, areas that are | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
just as important to the odd that is God as to the orderly English, Welsh | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
or Northern Irish citizen. -- important to the ordinary Scot. | :21:04. | :21:11. | |
Mr Speaker, can I say to my right honourable friend is that the very | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
fact that this was a split judgment shows that the Prime Minister was | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
absolutely right to take this case of the way to get a full decision. | :21:22. | :21:29. | |
And can I ask him to resist much respected friend and not over | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
complicating this? After all the question is should the government | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
trigger Article 50? So may I urge him, when he brings this in front of | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
us, to keep it short, keep it simple and most of all keep it swift? They | :21:45. | :21:52. | |
will keep it straight forward is what we will certainly do. He is | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
right, this was and is a unique circumstance in many ways. Unique in | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
terms of the importance to the kingdom but also the fact it is | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
carrying out the will of 17.5 billion who voted directly, summing | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
that has never before in our history. It was important to get the | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
full outcome from the Supreme Court. I will do everything in my power to | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
make sure it goes through swiftly. And that it is properly is | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
scrutinised but also it is a straightforward bill that delivers | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
the triggering of Article 50 by March 31. Having tried to argue in | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
court that Parliament should not decide on the triggering of Article | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
50 and lost, as will be Secretary of State now agreed to accept the | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
unanimous recommendation of the Rex off Select Committee and in the | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
process agree with himself before he got this job -- Brexit Select | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
Committee, and publish a white paper on the government objectives? Then | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
these can be considered alongside the legislation he has just | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
announced. Because of the government does not do so then I have to say to | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
him it would be showing a lack of respect for this House of Commons. | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
I don't often disagree with myself. But that we say this, -- let me say | :23:17. | :23:24. | |
this, the speech given last week by the Prime Minister was the clearest | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
exposition of negotiating strategy are have seen modern times. It laid | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
out very clearly what we judge the national interest to be, how we | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
intend to protect it, what we want to do, what we hope is not happen, | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
and how we are going to go about avoiding that. So I don't see that | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
this government has avoided answering any question, either from | :23:49. | :23:50. | |
his committee or indeed from the front bench. The only questions we | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
have been unable to answer our those which would be to the disadvantage | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
of the country in terms of undermining our negotiating | :24:02. | :24:10. | |
strategy. I will give one example. To the spokesman for the opposition. | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
On Channel 4 not very long ago, a couple of weeks ago, he said we want | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
to know whether the government will pay for access to the single market | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
and how much. If anything would undermine a negotiating position, | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
that would, and it is precisely that which we will avoid. We will | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
continue to give information to the House, I give his committee and | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
undertaking we will give at least that's bad information as we will | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
call to the European Parliament with, if indeed both. And we will | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
continue to keep the House involved throughout the process, which will | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
not be over in a few weeks, but last two years, and the House will be as | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
well informed on this as it has been on anything of such importance. The | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
Supreme Court the spawning ruled that the form of the bill is, | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
entirely a matter for Parliament, because also indicated by then that | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
the issues before the Supreme Court have nothing to do with the | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
political merits of the decision to withdraw or the timetable, terms of | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
so doing, or any future relationship between the UK and the EU. So will | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
my right honourable friend confirmed that with any potential amendments | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
the bill itself will be short and tightly drawn to give effect | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
exclusively to the Supreme Court decision itself? Well, the short | :25:30. | :25:38. | |
answer is yes. They were citing to me I think section 122 of the court | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
decision and its commentary. And the point of this bill is to meet the | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
requirements of the Supreme Court to deliver the instruction from the | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
nation at large and to do it in the national interest. That means a | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
straightforward easily comprehensible bill to the country | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
at large and they can see what Parliament is doing and what | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
position it is visiting on the government. That is what we will do. | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
I agree with the Minister that Parliament must respect the result | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
of the referendum but I hope you will also agree that the government | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
does not have a blank cheque either from Parliament or the public over | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
what kind of Brexit it now pursues. He has said that there will be votes | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
in the process, so can he tell us, given the government has said it is | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
ruling out being in the customs union, in the common external | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
tariff, and the common commercial policy, and he knows that there are | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
strongly held views on different sides about the impact that will | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
have on manufacturing industries which will be so crucial to our | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
future? When will he give Parliament the vote on that decision? | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
Firstly, we are to tell the House what our plan is and then we're told | :26:55. | :27:05. | |
we don't like that so we want to have a debate on that. The simple | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
truth... No, no, that's fine. The simple truth here is their will be | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
any number of votes. Too many to count in the next two years across a | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
whole range of issues. I can see the issues she is raising coming up in | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
the great repeal Bill. I can see it coming up in primary legislation, | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
maybe in major secondary legislation. I am sure there will be | :27:34. | :27:42. | |
votes in the next two years. If someone debates sending the letter, | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
are made voting against restoring the very Parliamentary sovereignty | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
three they call in aid? Doesn't the British people want a proper | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
parliament not a puppet parliament and swing to Brussels and map | :27:55. | :28:02. | |
requires sending the letter soon? What it requires leaving the | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
European Union and that's what we're going to do. Does the Minister and | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
accept that the public want us to get on with this and carry out what | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
they voted for? Does he accept that the public will not look likely | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
remembrance brought in by parties that want another referendum to | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
delay unnecessarily but do want amendments that clarify and make us | :28:28. | :28:35. | |
all aware of the Government's intentions? She goes right to the | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
heart of the matter. The public will not view well attempts to thwart | :28:39. | :28:45. | |
this process, to delay this process and confuse it. They will | :28:46. | :28:55. | |
hallucinate -- hallucinate helping the position and negotiation and | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
that is what the Government is going to do. There is a genuine desire I | :28:58. | :29:07. | |
believe the people to come together to support the Government, to build | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
a consensus, to get the best deal possible. The reality is we have | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
abandoned the single market, we have abandoned the free movement of | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
people without any debate, never mind a vote in this place. On that | :29:21. | :29:28. | |
basis... Somebody said we have had a referendum. There was one question | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
on the paper. Leads-macro or Remain. We are leaving the European Union. | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
As I have asked... I take my right honourable friend's take as a man of | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
his word, when I voted out -- in that motion in December, I didn't | :29:47. | :29:53. | |
agree that with the triggering of -- didn't agree with the triggering at | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
the end of March. I thought we would have a plan and I would like a White | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
Paper which we could debate. It will bring us together. What does my | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
right honourable friend have to lose on a White Paper? She holds | :30:11. | :30:18. | |
passionately a well formed view that firstly in terms of bringing people | :30:19. | :30:25. | |
together, a large part of the Prime Minister's speech was aimed at | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
creating a sense of this country which everybody can get behind. | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
Ranging from protection employment rights, through to a role in the | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
world. All of them very important. She laid out the clear future for us | :30:37. | :30:43. | |
and the future approach for us. I think that she did everything one | :30:44. | :30:51. | |
could ask the Prime Minister, to deliver on those undertakings. The | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
point I would make to her now is she says these things weren't on the | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
ballot paper. What was on the ballot paper was leaving the European | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
Union. It is difficult to see how you can do that and still stay | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
inside the single market with the commitments that go with that. What | :31:09. | :31:16. | |
we have come up with and I hope to persuade her, is this is well worth | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
game. There is the idea of a comprehensive free trade agreement | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
under a customs agreements which will deliver the exact benefits as | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
we have there but also enable my right honourable friend to go and | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
foremost trade deals with the rest of the world also. It is the upside | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
of living -- leaving the European Union. Last week in her speech the | :31:37. | :31:44. | |
Prime Minister said and I quote, "The Government will put the final | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
deal that is agreed between the UK and the EU to vote in both Houses of | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
Parliament before it comes into force." Article 15 negotiation is | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
not the final deal. -- Article 50. It is the future trading agreement | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
between the UK and the EU. Can the Secretary of State confirm that | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
Parliament will get a vote on both the Article 50 agreement and as the | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
Prime Minister said, the final deal and what will happen if Parliament | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
says, no, to the terms of either of these agreements? The answer is yes. | :32:24. | :32:32. | |
We are standing by both of those. The point is they would be the only | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
votes. There will be a large number of other votes in between. The | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
Labour Party can ignore it till the cows come home but they will have | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
many, many votes on many different policy areas after very extensive | :32:45. | :32:52. | |
debate on primary legislation. The parliament will have a great | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
influence on this process and it will have the final say. That is a | :32:56. | :33:04. | |
democracy in action. Further to that last reply, my right honourable | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
friend has given Abril clarity on Article 50. Can he give more | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
information on the timetable of the great Repeal Bill. It will be in the | :33:16. | :33:24. | |
Queen's Speech. I expect it to be debated extensively and it will be | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
the centrepiece and the start of a major debate about the nature of | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
this country in the future and therefore it is important to get it | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
in the House very early. For the final vote offered by his Government | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
on the negotiated package, it is not a meaningful boat -- vote unless the | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
Government guarantees if there is a vote against the withdrawal treaty, | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
there will be an option to have continued talks for a better deal | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
rather than falling out with no deal at all. Can he guarantee we will | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
have bad vote in time for that further discussion to happen? Let me | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
make this point to the honourable lady. This is where those arguments | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
where we said we won't have a second referendum so can revisit. What it | :34:12. | :34:19. | |
does is it gives a price to somebody trying to put up the worst possible | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
negotiation for us. There are plenty of members in the EU who want to | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
force us into making us change our mind and going back inside. We do | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
not want to do anything which allows or encourages that to happen. She is | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
not right to say this boat is meaningless. The select committee | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
and the opposition both asps for it. Second hourly, it will be the last | :34:43. | :34:52. | |
of many, many votes and debates on major legislation. It means saying | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
that one is going to leave the European Union and actually doing | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
it. Soft Brexit means saying one is going to lead the European Union and | :35:06. | :35:12. | |
remaining in all but name. Which course does the Government intend to | :35:13. | :35:22. | |
follow? In his younger days, my honourable friend was an expert in | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
Soviet propaganda. I'm afraid I view hard Brexit and soft Brexit as terms | :35:29. | :35:39. | |
of propaganda. Can the Secretary of State guarantee that this house will | :35:40. | :35:42. | |
have the ability to both scrutinise and vote on the agreement between | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
the UK and the EU at the same time that that agreement is put before | :35:48. | :35:56. | |
the European Parliament? I will say it over and over again in a series | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
of primary legislation and finally on the vote itself. How the timing | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
of that will coincide with the European Parliament, I have not | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
given a great deal of thought too and I will do and I will write to | :36:11. | :36:17. | |
her. In the course of the court case, great stress was laid on the | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
irrevocably witty of Article 50. In those circumstances, the problem | :36:25. | :36:32. | |
facing the House is that in triggering Article 50, that | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
irrevocably to has to be matched against the excellent words of my | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
right honourable friend, the Prime Minister, setting out a plan which | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
is envisaging a future relationship with the European Union from outside | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
of it. In those circumstances, could I urge my right honourable friend to | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
keep in mind that the debate on Article 50 is likely to be greatly | :36:54. | :37:00. | |
facilitated if the ideas expressed by the Prime Minister are put into a | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
White Paper or similar document to which in fact reference can be made | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
in the triggering of Article 50. Without festering the Government's | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
discretion in its negotiations thereafter. This comes down to an | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
issue of trust and if the Government can build that trust, it will | :37:20. | :37:26. | |
greatly facilitate its task and those such as myself who wish to | :37:27. | :37:33. | |
help the Government, in what it is trying to achieve. My old friend | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
tempts me down a route but I will answer in these terms. In the case, | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
the report by the Government did not depend upon the irrevocably witty or | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
otherwise of the legal issue in front of us. It depended on the fact | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
that we view the moment as being June 23 last year. It is not in the | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
gift of the Government to change its mind. We have passed the point of no | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
return. I have said over and over again I will provide what | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
information I can, as much information as I can without | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
undermining our negotiated position. I will continue to do so through the | :38:13. | :38:21. | |
article process and beyond. We know negotiations of a two-way process | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
and we accept that our European partners may not be able to agree on | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
anything until the German and French elections are out of the way. In the | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
meantime, there is a logic to why Article 50 should be triggered by | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
the end of March. It has to do with a two-year process by the time we | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
put this next elections, we will have completed that process. It is | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
important not to remind colleagues in this house but pro -- colleagues | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
in the other house that there is logic to an end of March date. The | :38:50. | :38:57. | |
honourable lady gets the point of the matter. There are many reasons | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
for the triggering by the end of March. The rather obvious one is | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
that the public wants us to get on with it and that includes Leavers. | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
There are practical reasons of business uncertainties will stop the | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
longer we spin this out, the more difficult it is for businesses and | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
workers about their own future. She is right that it fits neatly in | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
terms of delivering an outcome which is in our interests in the European | :39:25. | :39:34. | |
timetable both in that there are roughly 15 elections between now and | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
the end of the process. Then there is a European Parliament election | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
which if we get too close to it, could compromise the vote at the | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
end. There is a series of reasons why the end of March is incredibly | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
important. It is not an arbitrary date, it is designed to uphold the | :39:52. | :39:59. | |
strength of their negotiations. As one who campaigns to remain in the | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
European Union, I welcome the decision of the court today which | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
gives me the opportunity to show I accept the result of the referendum | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
and I will vote for the bill triggering Article 50. Could I also | :40:11. | :40:18. | |
say at the risk of repetition, it would help further the authority of | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
the House and the authority of which the EU goes to the negotiations, it | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
will take on board the unanimous view of the select committee and the | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
expressed by the chairman of the select committee and others. The way | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
in which the Prime Minister set out with the clarity of her expression | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
about the plan, it is only enhanced and the work of the House is | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
endorsed by the Supreme Court judgment and it is enhanced by the | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
publication of that and the opportunity to debate and cover a | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
number of things which the bill cannot itself cover. I thank my | :40:50. | :40:57. | |
honourable friend for the tone of his question. The issue here is not | :40:58. | :41:05. | |
information. I have said over and over again, I will provide as much | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
information as is consistent with the previous motions on this. That | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
is what we will do. We will provide as much information as possible but | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
there remind that the Article 50 bill will be presented quickly to | :41:23. | :41:30. | |
the House. Today's ruling is a victory for transparency and | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
openness but a half-hour speech by the Prime Minister outside of this | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
house with a couple of questions to the media is no substitute the | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
Parliamentary scrutiny. The Secretary of State take on board | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
their views of members of all size of this house and please bring | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
forward a White Paper which I think will unite this house in order to | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
forge a way forward? I have been at this dispatch box one | :41:52. | :42:02. | |
statement alone five times and I am at great risk of boring beehives. | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
But I would repeat to her what I have said already, the maximum | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
possible information and debate is what we will deliver. I think this | :42:11. | :42:19. | |
House should be grateful to both the Supreme Court and to the High Court | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
for a certain parliamentary sovereignty and allowing us to have | :42:24. | :42:30. | |
a say on the Article 50 process, and I agree with my friend who said he | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
will vote for Article 50, I will too, but with regards to the | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
question of a swift passage of the bill, and I would agree with him, do | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
you not agree that when Parliament voted, the Heysel voted for the | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
motion in December, not just in relation to the 31st of March | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
deadline but also in relation to the publication of a plan? I would | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
suggest to him that the passage of the bill will be swifter if a white | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
paper is published and debates happen on that too, and the bill | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
with the Article 50 process is separate. I hear what you said, I | :43:07. | :43:14. | |
just have to reiterate the same point, becoming very boring, but we | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
will provide as much possible information subject to not | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
undermining our position. In 2014 in Scotland, we were told we | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
had power is Parliament and with equal partner in the UK, but we are | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
not equal to the likes of Belgium and we will not be consulted on | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
Brexit. It is clear Scotland will be taken out against well. As the UK | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
Government pursues Brexit, Scotland must take the opportunity of an | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
independence referendum. And as the Scottish Parliament is not | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
consulted, will at least Scottish members of Parliament in this House | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
be taken into account and respected? Is the answer to the honourable | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
gentleman, another old friend of mine, is of course. I have spent a | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
great deal of time also speaking directly to the Scottish Government | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
and while we are at it the Welsh and Northern Ireland government. In this | :44:13. | :44:20. | |
process, it is important we protect the interests of the people he | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
represents, the people of Scotland, in this negotiation. I welcome the | :44:25. | :44:34. | |
Secretary of State's commitment, giving as much information as he can | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
to the House and its committees. Could he explain why the government | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
isn't providing any evidence to the foreign effect committee's enquiry | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
into practical consequences of leaving the European Union after no | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
agreement in place and how come that is a distinct possibility and one | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
over which the government cannot command the outcome? Surely it would | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
be best for the country and everyone affected by this in the land to | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
better understand the consequences as clearly as possible so they can | :45:05. | :45:11. | |
plan for it? As I said, we will provide as much information as we | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
can. One thing I will point out however is that this is the question | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
of negotiation, and we do not know what the endgame will be. Even the | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
rather stark example he cites might have aspects which are different. I | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
put and he is talking about the trade aspect. There are so many | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
different things to assess. It would be guesswork at this stage. | :45:36. | :45:42. | |
Today, the government has been humiliated in the Supreme Court. It | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
has been taught a lesson about the real meaning of parliamentary | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
sovereignty and taking back control. Will be Secretary of State now | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
accept this verdict in the spirit as well as the letter of the ruling and | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
finally concede that this House needs votes along the way, not | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
simply debates without votes, and proper parliamentary scrutiny? Then | :46:12. | :46:13. | |
together working across this House we can bring the country to the best | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
possible deal in the interests of all of our areas up and down this | :46:20. | :46:26. | |
country? Two things. Firstly I really recommend she read the | :46:27. | :46:29. | |
judgment rather than interpreting it with her own glass. The detail of | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
it, it is good and signed, as indeed I said in my opening statement. As | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
for giving continuous votes and information, I have said that all | :46:41. | :46:48. | |
the today. The bill should be brief and I'd come simple. Point of | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
principle. But as the Secretary of State aware that, if the opposition | :46:53. | :47:00. | |
parties can bind -- conveying to constrain the negotiating hand, for | :47:01. | :47:03. | |
instance by assisting on staying in the single market, which would been | :47:04. | :47:10. | |
effectively remaining in the EU, is he aware that many of us believe | :47:11. | :47:13. | |
that, in those circumstances, we should have an immediate General | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
Election put to the people? That can then concentrate the minds of the | :47:18. | :47:27. | |
Labour Party. He is asking media question which is way above my pay | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
grade, to say the lead. And the person suited for it has left for | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
now. But the point I would make is this, I would hope that every member | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
of the towers would actually see it as their duty to their own | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
constituents to deliver the best outcome. That is what the government | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
strategy is, delivering the best outcome for Britain in this | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
negotiations. First of all I am pleased by the case presented to | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
hand the veto to the Northern Ireland assembly, Britain attempt to | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
overturn the result of the referendum has failed. But can the | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
Secretary of State tell us that, now the Northern Ireland assembly has | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
been collapsed by Sinn Fein, what arrangements there will be to have | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
the issues which concern Northern Ireland raised prior to negotiations | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
and during those negotiations? With respect to his first point, it is | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
not above the court was unanimous, whilst it was 8-3 judgment on the | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
rest of the issue, it was unanimous on that matter of not allowing the | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
veto to the executive. In terms of maintaining, not so much and a | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
relationship, but understanding of the issues that relate to Northern | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
Ireland, last week when we had joined the Dennis Taylor committee I | :48:49. | :48:51. | |
wrote to the Northern Ireland Executive to ask them to continue to | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
send ministers to represent the interests of Northern Ireland. -- | :48:56. | :49:03. | |
when I joined the Justice committee. When the First Minister and Deputy | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
First Minister disappear in the interim, other ministers remain. | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
Last week, they did turn up. I will continue to extend that invitation | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
to that end. If that doesn't work we will find some other bilateral way. | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
But take it as read, I take this as they are the top of my River Tees, | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
if not top, to preserve the situation in Northern Ireland, | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
preserving the border in its current state, not hardening it, and | :49:29. | :49:31. | |
preserving the interests of the Northern Irish people. No bill that | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
goes through parliamentary scrutiny is not a better bill before it | :49:39. | :49:44. | |
becomes an act of Parliament. Could the Secretary of State announced | :49:45. | :49:47. | |
when we will get a business statement question back then we know | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
the timetabling? Hopefully we can have a date for the second reading. | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
Can I urge the Secretary of State to say we will give ample time for the | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
committee stage so that the House can properly scrutinised it before | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
the bill goes through to the Lords? On his last point, that will be my | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
intention, certainly. On the first point, the business didn't, there | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
will be won on Thursday anyway. It is a 96 page judgment. Bring to this | :50:13. | :50:20. | |
Appeal Court was insuring we got an authoritative, detailed, final | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
judgment on what we need to do and how we need to do it. We have to | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
study that carefully. It will take a little tired but not much. Then we | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
will come back to the House as soon as possible. -- take a little time. | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
It is possible that the statement on Thursday will cover that. The | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
Secretary of State keeps talking about certainty. But for my | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
constituents, working in the manufacturing supply chain, given | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
the Prime Minister's statement specifically on the customs union, | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
they have nothing but uncertainty about their jobs. So what exactly is | :50:55. | :51:00. | |
wrong with the suggestion from the member for Rushcliffe that the | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
government to bring forward its policy on Brexit for a vote in this | :51:05. | :51:13. | |
House? Well, she talks about certainty, we have negotiations for | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
two years and nothing we can do to collapse that, nothing we should do, | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
so that means there is a limit to the extent at which we can introduce | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
certainty. I had not mentioned it up until then. And there will be debate | :51:26. | :51:31. | |
after debate. Article 50, debate on policy, the great repeal bill the | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
same, and in several subsequent pieces of primary legislation, no | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
shortage of debate or votes. The obligation placed on the | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
government's negotiating position during the passage of this bill may | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
subsequently be subject to judicial review with consequent delay. I hope | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
that my right honourable friend will judge the intentions that have been | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
announced to amend the bill in that light. As he knows, I view everybody | :52:02. | :52:11. | |
with a great charity and generosity and will continue to do so. Further | :52:12. | :52:18. | |
to the question from the honourable member from Wellingborough, when the | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
Labour government legislated for the Lisbon Treaty, Parliament had 25 | :52:25. | :52:31. | |
days, including 11 days of the committee of the whole House. We | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
have 66 days now before the 31st of March. How many days as the | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
Secretary of State planning to give as? Two things first. Wasn't at the | :52:40. | :52:47. | |
Lisbon Treaty which was promised a referendum on, which we never got? | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
So selling a false bill of goods is not a very good example to | :52:54. | :52:59. | |
parliaments around the world. This is Article 50, the triggering | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
process only, nothing more but the triggering process. There will be | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
vast quantities of legislation, much more than the Lisbon Treaty, between | :53:09. | :53:16. | |
now and the conclusion. Does he noticed that those who know talk | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
about parliamentary sovereignty mean the YouGov Brussels? When they say | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
scrutiny, they could mean delay. And with the spec, the mean | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
condescension. British people have voted and we must legislate, don't | :53:33. | :53:38. | |
you agree? As ever, my honourable friend speaks for England. | :53:39. | :53:45. | |
We are all trying to get the best deal for our constituents, and that | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
is why the Liberal Democrats will seek to amend the Article 50 bill to | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
give people their first say on the terms of the UK's future | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
relationship with the European Union and government plans to crash out of | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
the single market, under customs union, inflicting huge damage on | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
families and businesses up and down the country. Why did the government | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
take this opportunity to boost their democratic credentials and simply | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
agree to such a popular vote? I would ask the gentleman to exercise | :54:20. | :54:25. | |
his brain on this matter. The consequence of putting a second | :54:26. | :54:28. | |
referendum at the end of this negotiation is to invite every | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
single member of the European Union who do not want us to leave to put | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
the worst possible deal in the hope we change our mind. We're not to do | :54:37. | :54:45. | |
that. Today, we uphold the rule of law by respecting the Supreme Court | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
judgment. Will he agree with me that both Houses of Parliament must now | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
respect the result of the referendum by swiftly passing this necessary | :54:55. | :55:03. | |
act? He is as right as ever. You can see the phenomenal interest in the | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
House in this particular issue and you should not be afraid of | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
scrutiny. My honourable friend from Bishop Auckland asked how many days | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
would be committed to proper scrutiny of all the issues | :55:16. | :55:17. | |
surrounding Article 50 on the floor of the House. Can you accept that | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
this bill is more important than the Lisbon Treaty bill, the Maastricht | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
Treaty, and any attempts to curtail the opportunities for this House to | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
scrutinise those issues would betray the fear that the government has | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
offered proper debate? Is that received two things, firstly I don't | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
think I've ever been run away from scrutiny, I spent more time at this | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
dispatch box than any other Secretary of State in the last five | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
months. In terms of what he is saying about the importance, of | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
course it is important, and indeed I want to see as much time as we can | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
possibly get for it to be discussed but that's a matter for the usual | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
channels to discuss. But the point I would make is this, many people who | :56:04. | :56:09. | |
see this bill is included late -- as incredibly important are seeing it | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
as some sort of point of no return. The point of no return was passed on | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
June the 23rd last year, this is carrying out the instruction of the | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
British people. We will do so under full scrutiny of Parliament and its | :56:23. | :56:25. | |
authorisation and will give time for that. But don't conflate that with | :56:26. | :56:32. | |
the whole process the bill. Sorry, the negotiation. That will take | :56:33. | :56:35. | |
much, much more than was given to Lisbon, much more time, because that | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
number of legislation will take more time. | :56:41. | :56:47. | |
The honourable member talked about democracy. | :56:48. | :57:04. | |
He is the only representative of his political party here today. Will it | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
be undemocratic if he were to go down to the House of Lords and | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
encourage 120 unelected members to play ping-pong and mess about with | :57:13. | :57:15. | |
this bill? We must deliver what the British people have asked for they | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
will be looking at both houses. They will not have to delay the bill are | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
necessarily better web proper process of scrutiny and deliver on | :57:24. | :57:31. | |
the will of the people. The Supreme Court today has ruled clearly that | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
the devolved legislatures do not have legislative confidence and | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
capacity in relation to the UK leaving the European Union. | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
Therefore it must for logically that the procedure called English votes | :57:46. | :57:54. | |
the English laws should not be applicable when we come to the great | :57:55. | :58:01. | |
repeal Bill. It is demeaning to those members who represent Wales, | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
Scotland and Northern Ireland. When the Secretary of State has said and | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
I believe him, that every effort will be made by this Government to | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
hold together the United Kingdom, it will be helpful today if the Brexit | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
secretary could rule out clearly the use of evil in terms of the great | :58:22. | :58:29. | |
repeal Bill. I can't think of a circumstance where it might reply. | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
The point I would say is it rests on a ruling by the Speaker and not by | :58:36. | :58:47. | |
the Secretary of State. Could it releases from the acts such as our | :58:48. | :58:57. | |
membership of the EE a? Bet is a debatable matter of law. There may | :58:58. | :59:05. | |
be subsequent matters that arise after the triggering of Article 50 | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
and if so, we will come back to it. There is no reason why it shouldn't | :59:11. | :59:17. | |
go to the end of March. Can I just urge the Secretary of State that | :59:18. | :59:20. | |
when the business managers come knocking and say we should condense | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
the processes that we should have several different stages on the same | :59:25. | :59:29. | |
day, that the old member who flourished for a 20 years on the | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
backbenches returns and fights hard for this house to say we will do the | :59:35. | :59:40. | |
process properly? I will thank him not to refer to me as the old | :59:41. | :59:48. | |
member. Of course I will ensure we get proper scrutiny. I think the | :59:49. | :59:57. | |
honourable gentleman has not got another birthday until December. | :59:58. | :00:02. | |
Today British judges in the highest court in the land decided a point of | :00:03. | :00:06. | |
historic constitutional importance which was unprecedented in law. It | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
was therefore right to seek the judgment of the Supreme Court to | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
enable them to discover the law as us lawyers euphemistically call it. | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
Crucially the Supreme Court recognise the limits of a Scotch | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
additional powers when it left the form of that legislation to this | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
Parliament. Is this not our Constitution thriving in action and | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
does it not bode well for the future? She goes to the point that I | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
made before the dispatch box. That is why we go to the Supreme Court. | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
It was not just the issue of Article 50 and the House of Commons but the | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
role of the devolved administrations which had to go to the Supreme Court | :00:50. | :00:56. | |
in any event. Is the Minister aware that many of us warmly congratulate | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
the judges, the Supreme Court and the High Court for upholding | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
Parliamentary sovereignty which the Government tried to bypass in | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
triggering Article 50? The judges are not the enemies of the people, | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
they are the defenders of Parliamentary democracy. I don't | :01:15. | :01:22. | |
think it goes back to this experience and he will finally ever | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
finally referring to the judges of the people as enemies. I welcome the | :01:27. | :01:38. | |
Secretary of State statement and the ruling which narrowed the scope of | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
the opaque High Court ruling and allows us to pass a short, sharp | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
bill to trigger Article 50. Does he agree that is is -- it is the | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
responsibility in both houses to give effect to the British people | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
bypassing that bill without delay? I agree. From my part, I will | :01:57. | :02:03. | |
endeavour to make this Bill is straightforward and as | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
comprehensible as possible. The reason I say this is because it is | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
the public will be watching us and the public will want to know what it | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
is we are voting on and to understand it. We will aim to | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
present these straightforward bills which will take place as far as is | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
consistent with proper scrutiny. Paragraph 151 of the ruling says the | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
convention has an important role for facilitating harmonious | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
relationships between the UK Parliament and the devolved | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
legislatures. What will you do to ensure that is a harmonious | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
relationship? Disagree -- agree with the ruling and write something down? | :02:44. | :02:53. | |
-- does he agree. That section ends with the phrase that nobody has a | :02:54. | :03:02. | |
veto. In terms of involving and looking after the interests of | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
devolved administrations and the people they represent, we have got a | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
whole process in place, a joint committee which is -- does nothing | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
but consider these matters, consider the interests of the nations of the | :03:18. | :03:25. | |
UK and to ensure that none of the political situation none of the | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
economic situations are harmed in any way. There has been a couple of | :03:29. | :03:40. | |
references to paragraph 122 of the Supreme Court judgment. It says | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
there is no equivalence between the constitutional importance of a | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
statute and its length or complexity. Under Article 50, it | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
could be very short. Does my right honourable friend agree that is a | :03:53. | :03:54. | |
very important message for members of the opposition? I will seek for | :03:55. | :04:08. | |
decisive action. The Prime Minister says that no deal is better than a | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
bad deal. Ending up on WTO rules could be the worst possible deal | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
hitting businesses and families hard. Can I press the Secretary of | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
State. Will there be a vote in this house at the end of the trade | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
negotiations, not just the Article 50 process but the trade | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
negotiations so that Parliament can decide what is in Britain's National | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
economic interest? Apart from correcting this, there would be a | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
simple trade negotiation. The European Union pretty much always | :04:45. | :04:51. | |
insists on nothing is agreed until everything is agreed so justice and | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
home affairs and security matters and a whole series of other issues | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
will be tied into it. There will be a vote at the end of it. We have | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
already agreed that. There has been a lot of talk of second referendums | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
on Article 50 from someone on the opposite side of the House. Will my | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
honourable friend reassure my constituents that the majority of | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
whom voted to leave, that he will category rule out any second | :05:20. | :05:32. | |
referendum? I take the view that the British people didn't know what they | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
were doing first time round. It is patronising and undemocratic. It is | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
improper. Rightly held by one of the smallest part is in the House. The | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
answer is I will not be supporting a second referendum. The Welsh Labour | :05:53. | :06:00. | |
Government and Plaid Cymru Bill have in good faith come together to | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
establish how Brexit ends. Why will he not do likewise? I spoke to | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
Carwyn Jones yesterday and I haven't had the chance to read it in detail. | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
It struck me as a constructive submission to the process and we | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
will be debating it at the next committee. Joy shall be in heaven | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
over one sinner that the Pentre. Will my right honourable friend join | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
with me in sharing my delight that those who had previously been happy | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
for sovereignty to be dispatched to Brussels now believe in the southern | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
tree of the UK Parliament? Apart from the fact that... | :06:42. | :07:03. | |
The judgment is welcome in establishing that the will of this | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
house is superior, is sovereign to the Royal prerogative but is | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
unwelcoming seeking to take back from Wales, Scotland and Northern | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
Ireland, powers that have been devolved to them. Can we promised | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
that the special needs of Wales, who will be hit most severely and | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
withdraw from the single market, we have a Brexit that is not just a | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
red, white and blue Brexit, but a red white and green Brexit is that | :07:37. | :07:44. | |
meets the needs of Wales also? Firstly I think you misread the | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
judgment. It doesn't talk about taking back powers from the devolved | :07:49. | :07:56. | |
administrations at all. As for... As I answered, the interests of the | :07:57. | :08:05. | |
people of Wales have been put together in a paper which has been | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
submitted to the joint ministerial committee and will be debated at the | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
next meeting of the European negotiating arm of that committee. | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
The Supreme Court judgment was decisive in its reference in the | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
position of the devolved assemblies. Given that is the case, what my | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
right honourable friend agree that now was the time for the states men | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
and women of the devolved assemblies to respect the decision of the | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
Supreme Court and to work constructively with the Government | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
for the greater good of the UK of which they are very much a part? I | :08:43. | :08:50. | |
could not have put it better myself. I will vote to trigger Article 50 | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
but I also have a duty to scrutinise the Government deal to ensure it | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
does not make my constituents poorer. My constituents have a right | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
to know how much the Supreme Court appeal cost them. Would he tell us? | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
I don't have that number in my mind. I don't. I have been studying the | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
agreement today, not the agreement, the judgment. I will provide it to | :09:17. | :09:24. | |
her as soon as I can. About the spending of money on a Supreme Court | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
judgment, I'm sure it will be expensive on one level. Lawyers are | :09:30. | :09:38. | |
expensive. I'm sure he is a much more expensive lawyer. It is the | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
greatest compliment I can pay him. Let me make a fundamental point. | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
When we are dealing with something as important as this, I don't think | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
anybody in the House questions the importance of the constitutional | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
decision that has been made today. It is incredibly pump -- important | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
it has been made on solid ground and with proper authority, made in a way | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
which the Government can interpret properly to deliver the right | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
outcome. I have made this point more than once to stop therefore, | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
frankly, it will be worth whatever we pay for it. He is the right man | :10:16. | :10:23. | |
in the right place at the right time. 61% of the people in Kettering | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
voted to leave the European Union. They will take comfort that there is | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
nothing in today's judgment that will delay the process and they were | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
like the fact that their member of Parliament will obey their | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
instructions and vote to trigger Article 50. I commend all other | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
members to do the same. All I can say is I am surprised it was only | :10:46. | :10:52. | |
61% in his constituency. The judgment's terms tell us we should | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
not rely on mere political convention for legal adherents or | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
political confirmation on key matters. That means it will be | :11:02. | :11:08. | |
meaningless in the context of the great Repeal Bill but does he | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
recognise that the key constitutional precept of the Good | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
Friday agreement in terms of the principle of consent and that | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
potential for united Ireland, is something that will have to be | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
explicitly included in any new UK treaty. If those provisions are a | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
matter that the people of Ireland without impediment or fully | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
reflected under the terms of the Supreme Court judgment properly | :11:34. | :11:40. | |
reflected. I am not going to reiterate the fact of the Supreme | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
Court judgment on the Irish aspect in question today. He can read that | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
more authoritatively in the judgment. I have said to him before | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
in this house. There is more than one guarantee on this. The British | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
Government is determined to preserve the peace settlement and all that | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
underpins it. The Irish Government is determined to underpin it. And so | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
is the commission. I will say something nice about the commission | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
on this. When I spoke to my opposite number, he was reminding me that he | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
was involved in the original peace process himself. And so all of the | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
parties to this have a vested interest in delivering what he | :12:28. | :12:28. | |
wants. He extolled last week he liked to | :12:29. | :12:39. | |
please his boss, and has wonderful speech last week, and could I say to | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
him he could unify the whole side of the host by publishing a white paper | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
based on are both' excellent speech, which I'm sure will make an even | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
more popular with our boss? I thought I was actually rather | :12:58. | :12:59. | |
restrained given she was sitting there. But I wasn't prompted by the | :13:00. | :13:09. | |
honourable lady who gave me the line last time about Her Majesty, I think | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
it was. Nearly. I nearly said, absolutely. I will not rehearse all | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
of the arguments again. I will provide whatever information I can, | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
as much as I can, as promptly as I can, bearing in mind this process is | :13:29. | :13:37. | |
likely to start next week. I agree with the Secretary of State, the | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
Prime Minister was very, very clear last week in her speech that we are | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
now leaving the single market, and likely the customs union. Before the | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
referendum his government said that that would cost the British people | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
?66 billion, or roughly half the cost of the NHS per year, and does | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
the government stand by that estimate is that a different one and | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
could you tell us what it is today? Two things, first thing is I think | :14:05. | :14:12. | |
the deputy governor of the Bank of England spoke about the Michael Fish | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
moment for economic forecasters. Maybe he could elaborate on that | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
next time he is asked. The second point is this economic models and | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
forecasts are only as good as the assumptions going into them. The | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
point that the Prime Minister was making last week was not just that | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
we will not be members of the single market but that we will seek the | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
freest and most barrier free access in the interests of the people of | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
Wales and others. They are going to seek that. But the negotiation is | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
not complete yet. We will seek that, and if we succeed, it will be hugely | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
valuable for the people of Wales. The EU referendum saw a 72% turnout | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
for a clear vote for leaving the European Union. It showed a strongly | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
held at will by the British people. Do you agree with me that the | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
Liberal Democrat call for a second referendum, I think one honourable | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
member turned up today, no not here, it shows they do not care about the | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
public view unless they get their way. I am tempted looking across the | :15:22. | :15:32. | |
chamber to say, what Liberal Democrat? And as she said there was | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
only one here at most, showing is they did take this incredibly | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
important issue. I think the public at large will take a view of the | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
Liberal Democrats on this, as they are using it for the want to go | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
purpose, not the national interest. There have been a lot of questions | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
understandably today about process, but also an emerging Brexit reality | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
in the country for which this government is responsible. 1000 jobs | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
going from London to Paris with HSBC. Toyota, Lloyd's of London, UBS | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
and Nissan all reviewing their operations. Exactly how many jobs as | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
the government prepared to lose to other European countries whilst we | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
negotiate our exit from the European Union? I could stand here for ten | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
minutes saying things like Google, Microsoft, all those companies who | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
have decided, McDonald's, decided to be here. I will say this, we have | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
the highest employment and lowest unemployment for a considerable | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
time, completely contrary to the pessimistic predictions of many | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
people after the Brexit results. I'm afraid if you want to look at a | :16:46. | :16:53. | |
dominant station of high badly wrong -- demonstration of how badly wrong | :16:54. | :16:55. | |
the establishment of Britain got this, just look at those numbers. | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
Exiting the EU is uncharted territory. There will be naturally | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
uncertainties and challenges, and will you tell the House what steps | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
you are taking and the government is taking to communicate with British | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
businesses to ensure that we can build confidence and foster economic | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
growth in the months ahead? To be frank, I can sense in the numbers, | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
but they are beyond counting now. The number of meetings, with | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
manufacturing, aviation, tours and, finance, banking, and so on, but not | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
just ministers in my department but all across government, they are | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
talking to their own client industries as it were to ensure that | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
they know what their concerns are, what the opportunities are, and what | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
policy measures we have to take to maximise the opportunities and | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
mitigate concerns. And what we are beginning to see, it took a few | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
months, but we are beginning to see a change in mood and to see the | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
opportunity rather than the concern, which is an incredibly important | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
change in mood in the country. You have twice said that the point of no | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
return was on June the 23rd. He has ruled out a white paper, ruled out | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
of order on the plan. Does he agree that neither the words customs | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
union, nor a single market, were on the ballot paper? And if this House | :18:28. | :18:34. | |
decides that it does not wish to proceed at some point with the | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
process after Article 50 has been triggered, do we then leave | :18:40. | :18:47. | |
automatically or is it reversible? Let me say firstly about what was | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
not on the ballot paper. Listing two people say this is rather like say, | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
you said you would sell the car, but the engine and the tyres as well. | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
These components, these elements of the common external tariff barrier, | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
the common commercial policy, the will of the European Court of | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
Justice, all of these things are components of the UPN union, which | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
the public voted to leave. -- of the European Union. That is the first | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
thing I would say. But beyond that, he also miss quotes me in terms of | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
what I have said about votes and debates. There will be any number of | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
votes and debates in the coming two years, many of them about the issues | :19:31. | :19:38. | |
he talks about. I fully support the words from all quarters today in | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
support of judges who really are the best, most inscrutable and highest | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
quality I've seen anywhere in the world. But those warm words need to | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
be matched by action by all members in the House today, and in | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
particular just as the government is supporting and accepting the verdict | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
today, that members accept the words of the Supreme Court in respect of | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
the fight but a small bill can have just the power of a larger one and | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
that those from some of the devolved parts of the United Kingdom accept | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
the verdict as well. And in terms of cost, if he is publishing the costs | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
of the government in the Supreme Court, ask the devolved assemblies | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
particularly in Scotland to publish how much taxpayers money has been | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
spent on joining the action? I will pick up cost. I will provide those | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
numbers, no problem. But I will make one point in all of this. They were | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
not the people who put the case. We were not the people who put the | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
case! So the cost of this is a direct outcome of that. I am not one | :20:44. | :20:53. | |
of those, with animal noises from the other side notwithstanding, I am | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
not one of those who criticise those who brought the case. It was an | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
important constitutional case which is why I think whatever because it | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
was worth doing. But don't say to the government why did you defend | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
the case? Cause a massively important constitutional issue was | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
at stake. My honourable friend is right that we should take it | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
seriously and as the status of our law today and will be. We are | :21:19. | :21:29. | |
supposed to have the most important devolved parliament in the world. | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
The Scotland act or does this all convention is embedded into law. We | :21:34. | :21:42. | |
now know that those acts as really worth the paper they are written on. | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
When will you do something and act? If you do not accept the very | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
reasonable proposals be put to him the Scottish people will ask quickly | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
what is the point of being here at all? The first thing I would say to | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
him is, if I remember it correctly, the Supreme Court's comments on the | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
convention is it was not for the judges to decide, but the point I | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
would make is also this but I listened last week at great length | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
to the Scottish Government Minister present the arguments in their | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
paper. And as I said earlier to one of his colleagues, there are bits of | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
that they disagreed with. There are bits of it that we are absolutely | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
agreeing that, the most obvious one from my point of view is protection | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
of employment law, which I take very, very seriously and we are on | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
the same place on that. I talked through with him and others in the | :22:40. | :22:48. | |
committee the issue of devolution. And the clear point was no existing | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
devolved powers were going to be withdrawn or retracted. Of course | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
that will not happen. But of course we have to think in rational terms | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
in the interests of the Scottish people and the wider citizens of the | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
United Kingdom. We need to have decisions on where the best place to | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
make those decisions is. I would like to devolved powers but in some | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
cases it is not practical and that is what we have to do, what is right | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
for the people, not what's its political interest. -- not what | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
suits. I am confident that every member of | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
this House will vote to trigger Article 50. Who would they go | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
against the will of the people? Do you share my one concern that the | :23:31. | :23:37. | |
implications of this case could have an affect on, for example, the | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
government's decision to go to war? Could that be challenged by example | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
by a member of the public? No, I don't think he's right on that. It | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
is a 96 page judgment which we have to go through the detail on. But | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
this was confined to two aspects, or at least the major part of the case | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
that. The implication specifically for the ECA, and for those treaties | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
which have an effect on the domestic legal rights of citizens. I don't | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
think that the decision to go to war would fall within that. However, he | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
raises more broadly a very important point, because we are in an era when | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
the exact feature of the Royal Troon it has to be established and | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
understood, particularly when we are understood in complete command of an | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
future. -- when the exact feature of the Royal Prerogative of Mercy be | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
established. We have to consider where we have to go back for | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
authorisation and one of the reasons why we're taking time to be | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
detergent. The Secretary of State has mentioned a few times about this | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
being a massive exercise in democracy. I just want to put to him | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
that are very useful tool in a participatory democracy is issuing | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
White papers. I really do not understand why the Secretary of | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
State has set his face so against doing that when they are about to | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
make the most important decision of many, many generations and trigger | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
Article 50. One of the things that were said by the chairman of the | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
Select Committee, unfortunately not here now, was that they wanted the | :25:21. | :25:29. | |
plan as quickly as possible, before the middle of February. I said it | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
would be difficult to turn out if full White Paper before then. One of | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
the virtues of delivering this through the prime ministerial speech | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
of some length was that we can do it quickly, make it very clear and | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
everybody would understand it, and it got coverage around the world in | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
a Kiwi which wouldn't have been available for any other medium. -- | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
in a way which. But the point that matters here is that people remain | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
free, and something to tease me of course, about my history as an | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
activist for parliamentary votes. -- people remain to be. The point of a | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
member is the only here because we represent constituents, and people's | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
interests, and what I have done, or tried to do so far, is to provide as | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
much information as possible. I keep repeating that. Let's take the plan | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
with respect to what was asked by the Labour front bench and by what | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
was asked by the Labour front bench and by they asked what we would do | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
about the single market. Hopefully that there is no plane. The customs | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
front bench and by what was asked by the Labour front bench and by what | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
was asked by the Labour front bench and by they asked what they would do | :26:44. | :26:45. | |
about the single market. Hopefully that is now plain. The customs | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
union? Hopefully that is now clear. What role do we see for Britain in | :26:49. | :26:50. | |
the world question mark hopefully that is now clear. But they cannot | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
see what the outcome will be. We can give levels of certainty, as we have | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
and will, as to what the aims and strategic objectives are, and we | :27:00. | :27:00. | |
have done that. I also welcome the judgment today by | :27:01. | :27:10. | |
the Supreme Court and I would like to lend my support to the Supreme | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
Court but judges and I hope we do not see any repeat of the bile that | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
was directed towards the High Court judges last year in the papers | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
tomorrow. I welcomed the Prime Minister 's speech last week | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
outlining a free trade agreement but I have received thousands of e-mails | :27:28. | :27:29. | |
from constituents all wanting to have their say on this because 70% | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
of them voted to remain inside the European Union. Does my Right | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
Honourable Friend agree, without wishing to make him repeat himself | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
again, that the best way to do this is to make sure that my constituents | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
have their views heard by the use of a white paper? I'm afraid he has | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
failed in not making me repeat myself! What the House has | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
determined I would say, in is it just a minute or the quiz, I | :28:02. | :28:08. | |
reiterate, the facts of the matter, it is the plan that matters, it is | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
answering Parliament was my that matter. We have done all of those | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
things. I will continue to provide whatever information I can without | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
compromising our negotiating position. I will do that. I thank | :28:21. | :28:33. | |
the Secretary of State for his answer when he said he has written | :28:34. | :28:35. | |
to the Northern Ireland executive, but would he recognise that it has | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
collapsed after eight months and may not have the confidence of the | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
people of Northern Ireland, and the fact that they have no joint plan, | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
with the Secretary of State make sure that the rights to all parties | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
so that we get something that tells all of us where we are going? We | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
accept the result, we need a quick resolution, but we must all be | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
included. Would he do so? He raises an interesting point. Before I | :29:01. | :29:11. | |
answer directly, may I say this? Of course I have sought to get the | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
parties in the executive to continue sending a minister to the joint | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
ministerial committee, but that is only one mechanism. There are | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
others. We will be speaking, we have plans to speak to the Taoiseach next | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
week so the Irish government interest will be represented and I | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
will talk to others more directly. I went over this early on in my time | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
in this Chair. I am inclined to say yes to him. Let me consider | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
carefully, I am not going to land myself in some problem. The reason I | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
am being cautious is because there is now an election underway and I | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
have got to be very wary of the British Government appealing to sort | :29:57. | :29:58. | |
of medal in any aspect of the election. Let me take pause and | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
think about that and I will do what I judge is in the best interests of | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
Northern Ireland and you must take that as my promise. The pace has | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
slowed terribly in the last few minutes. What is required is a pithy | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
question of the kind in which a Queens Counsel should specialise. | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
Let us hear about the context of the textbook pithily, Lucy Fraser. The | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
Supreme Court on the first page of a judgment stated that it wanted to | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
emphasise the case is nothing to do with the terms of withdrawal, the | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
arrangements for withdrawal or the detail as to any future relationship | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
with Europe. In those circumstances, does the Secretary of State agree | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
with me that all the Supreme Court decided was that, before pulling the | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
trigger, they needed authorisation by Act of Parliament, and under the | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
terms of the judgment at least, there is no obligation to set out | :30:58. | :31:05. | |
the detail any deeper? With him today was my judgment it says that | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
notwithstanding you legislative constraints, and I quote "The EU | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
will enhance the double competence" I asked the Secretary of State the | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
same question last week and I was dismayed that he was only able to | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
provide his presumptions, so can you now provide actual, concrete | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
examples of which types of powers will be devolved to the devolved | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
administrations following our exit to the European Union? I rather | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
suspect she missed richly from last week. What I should of said was that | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
there are some elements -- that she misquotes me from last week. Some | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
elements will stay in the centre, but there will be a number well | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
we're going to have to debate the matter and the side and that will | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
happen in the first instance in the joint ministerial committee. Single | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
sentence questions with the abandonment of any preamble that | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
comics might have had in mind. Once the Secretary of State should take | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
seriously amendments to the legislation proposed in good faith | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
he should give short shrift to those who seek to use amendments to derail | :32:13. | :32:23. | |
or delay the process. I will. The Secretary of State has already | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
attempted a sideline Parliament by refusing to publish a white paper so | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
can he be very clear, will the bill be drafted in such terms as to allow | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
not just amendments but substantive amendments, yes or no? I've been | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
here 30 years. If you knows how to draft a bill that withstands any | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
amendments I would like to hear about it. -- if he knows how. In any | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
negotiation it is worth thinking about the other side. Lord Hill came | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
to our committee and said that their strategy for negotiation is to come | :32:55. | :32:56. | |
together with decisions being made otherwise we will be sending mixed | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
messages. Does the Secretary of State agree? Yes, and I would hope | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
that once we get through the article 50 process we will see a more | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
collegiate attitude from all parts of the political spectrum. This is, | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
after all, our national interest that is engaged. The Secretary of | :33:15. | :33:21. | |
State reminded us that our job is to do what is in the best interests of | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
our constituents. The city I represent has 8.5 million visitors | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
each year, two universities and an economy that includes the head | :33:29. | :33:36. | |
offices of EDF and MX. If I don't think that the guarantees offered by | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
this government will protect everything that is great about my | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
city will be agree that I cannot support this timescale? I am not | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
about to protect him from his constituents, I am afraid. My | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
comment to him is this. We are in negotiation. If he can point to me | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
and negotiation can guarantee before it started I would be interested to | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
hear it. I'm sure the Secretary of State would agree that it seems | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
strange many are unaware that legislative changes will be needed | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
on a whole range of issues as we meet, not just on the article 50 | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
point. If people try to use tricksy procedure in this House or anywhere | :34:16. | :34:17. | |
else to try and restrict Article 50, it will just fuel scepticism and | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
push people to vote lead. That is true and I think his constituents | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
will notice. Someone who has been waiting a long time and must work | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
out how to do it in a short sentence. Given that the legislative | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
consent motion is now a political decision and there is no impediment | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
for the government to bring one, can you advise a House of the government | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
had a legislative consent contingency in place before the | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
Supreme Court ruling, and why on Earth would he rule out bringing on | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
-- bringing one now? Because I said that no component part of the United | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
Kingdom has a veto. I have said that dozens of times in this House, if he | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
had been listening. Can my Right Honourable Friend assure my | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
constituents, a majority of whom voted to leave that he will allow | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
nothing to get in the way of ensuring that the bill that he has | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
announced will be passed as quickly as possible? Yes. Mr Speaker, the | :35:15. | :35:21. | |
Secretary of State said in a statement that this government is | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
determined to deliver the decision taken by the people of the United | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
Kingdom, but of course, in Scotland, the country that those of us on | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
these benches represent, voted to remain within the United Kingdom and | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
the Scottish Government has been empowered by the Parliament to make | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
sure that we remain within the single market. Why is he acting | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
against the best interests of the Scottish people and will he not | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
understand that, in refusing to accept our will,... Too long, too | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
loud! We don't want to hear it, enough. Secretary of State. Number | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
one, I don't think the interest of the Scottish National Party are the | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
same as those of the Scottish people. Number two, as I remember, | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
the Scottish nation voted to stay inside the United Kingdom. That | :36:06. | :36:07. | |
United Kingdom which voted to leave the European Union. The World Trade | :36:08. | :36:14. | |
Organisation has done a fantastic amount of work to reduce trade | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
barriers around the world. It is the basis of our trading relationship | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
with the US, where we have a trade surplus. Would my Right Honourable | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
Friend agree with me that this is a great foundation for a trade deal | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
with the EU, and it is for the EU now to do something about that? I | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
agree. The Secretary of State has spoken a great deal about listening | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
to the devolved nations, but will you listen to what they have to say | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
about the importance of unfettered access to the single market? We | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
already have. That was the point the Prime Minister was making when she | :36:50. | :36:56. | |
said she wanted a barrier free, most facilitated trade with the EU. Mr | :36:57. | :37:03. | |
Speaker, can my Right Honourable Friend is sure the 70% of my | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
decisions who voted for Brexit that, if the Upper House were to attempt | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
to thwart or delay that bill he has a contingency plan to make sure that | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
we meet the March deadline? From what I remember of his constituency | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
he has enough members of the Upper House in it to tell them himself! | :37:21. | :37:29. | |
Will the Secretary of State recognise that 62% of people in | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
Scotland voted to skate. The Scottish Government is not asking | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
for a veto, it is asking for a compromise of Scotland maintaining | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
membership of the single union. When will he actually work with them to | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
achieve that? As I have said to several of his colleagues, we work | :37:45. | :37:52. | |
at the joint ministerial committee, woo hoo we worked bilaterally, we | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
seek to protect the influence of the older the Kingdom including, not | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
least, Scotland. I don't want to frustrate the protest, but does he | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
feel that the referendum result is the only factor that should govern | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
the article with the vote, and isn't that tantamount to signing a blank | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
cheque setting aside the views of our constituents? I don't want to | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
frustrate the process but his question starts... That tells you | :38:20. | :38:28. | |
something in its own right. This is the government seeking authorisation | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
to trigger the start of the new negotiation which was what the | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
British people voted for last year. It is not the only issue but it is | :38:39. | :38:45. | |
the most important issue. This judgment rode roughshod through the | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
school convention, so can the Minister assure me that he will seek | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
meaningful discussions with the Scottish Government, discussions | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
that respect and reflect the desire of the Scottish electorate to remain | :38:56. | :39:03. | |
in the EU? I think the Scottish Government will be represented, it's | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
case was represented to the Supreme Court and unlike the honourable | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
gentleman, I don't pick and choose which bits I like or don't like, I | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
go along with the Supreme Court because it is the highest court in | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
the land, and we have to obey. The country voted to leave but my | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
constituents did not vote for a cut in their living standards. There are | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
genuine, serious concerns about the impact on the economy, | :39:31. | :39:32. | |
manufacturing, higher education and research if the UK left the EU | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
without a deal and fell back onto WTO rules. What assessment has he | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
made of the risks of leaving with no deal in place, and will be published | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
subject to proper scrutiny? Number subject to proper scrutiny? Number | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
one, there were a great number of forecasts of how terrible things | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
would be if people voted for Brexit. They were all... | :39:57. | :40:08. | |
Not to fail to do so but the get one and that is what will protect her | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
constituents if she's willing to pay attention to it. The Secretary of | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
State the to the fact that he wants to reserve the interest of the | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
people of Northern Ireland and that he understands that the peace | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
settlement. Currently we are in an election which will be quickly | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
followed by negotiations which Brexit will form an important part. | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
In discussions with the Taoiseach and with the Irish government, will | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
he ensure that special status is well considered for Northern | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
Ireland, as part of those negotiations ensuing from the | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
elections? There are many special circumstances that apply, and when I | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
went to visit Northern Ireland, since I have been in this post, the | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
sort of things that came out were the importance of the border, the | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
single energy market, a series of things like that and we will | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
continue to pay attention to them. I am going to be careful about asking | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
questions because of the ongoing election, but I think she should | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
take it as read that we take this very seriously indeed. The Secretary | :41:15. | :41:23. | |
of State for Scotland is no longer in his place. He stole this House or | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
at least five occasions that the school convention was being placed | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
on a statutory footing by the Scotland Act. The Supreme Court | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
today has said that it is not. Which of these two contradictory judgments | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
currently holds the confidence of Her Majesty's government? It is not | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
a contradictory judgment. This is a reserved matter. Surely the ruling | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
confirms that Brexit means Brexit has been totally inadequate as any | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
explanation to Parliament or its people. The devil is often in the | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
detail, particularly the Tory detail. Surely that the Dell should | :41:58. | :42:15. | |
be given in a form of a white paper. The strategic aims are very clear | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
and they are designed to protect the interest of the people she | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
represents. I notice that the judgment was issued during the | :42:25. | :42:26. | |
course... And hope somebody will explain that. I wonder if he can | :42:27. | :42:34. | |
tell us by the unelected Lords will have more of a say over the article | :42:35. | :42:37. | |
50 processed only members the devolved institutions? I am trying | :42:38. | :42:45. | |
to think of the significance in terms of the chairman of the Select | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
Committee on Brexit. I did not hear half of his question so I will have | :42:50. | :42:59. | |
to write to him on that. I could not hear that either. I will answer | :43:00. | :43:06. | |
later. The rules in place means that Parliament construes nice | :43:07. | :43:08. | |
legislation as it passes through this House. Will they commit to make | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
sure there are two weekends between the first and second reading? That | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
is not a matter for me. The Scottish Government has published a set of | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
proposals to maximise the relationship of the European Union. | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
Does the Secretary of State realise that not publishing a white paper is | :43:30. | :43:33. | |
tantamount to political cowardice question I have never been accused | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
of cowardice before so I do not know how to respond but the answer no | :43:37. | :43:38. | |
Mac. Supporters of the Government's you | :43:39. | :43:48. | |
are trying to delegitimise the opinions of others to thwart the | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
decision to leave the European Union. Can I ask to conform to this | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
House, having read the Scottish Government's position, there is no | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
part of that document suggest that either Scotland or any other part of | :44:03. | :44:05. | |
the United Kingdom should do anything other than leave the | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
European Union? I am being very careful in the period since I have | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
received that document not to criticise it publicly. I wanted to | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
have that debate. I was cheering that Committee. I did not want to | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
colour the cheering of the debate. You can put it into three | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
categories. That I did not think would work, bits that were subject | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
to debate, particularly about devolution issues, and that's that | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
we are on the same page on matters like employment law. There are | :44:40. | :44:48. | |
elements of the paper which will have run into problems, not just | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
with the United Kingdom Government but other members of the European | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
Union. It was criticised by the Spanish Minister. And also | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
implicitly criticised by senior Norwegians. I do not think you can | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
hold it up, some sort of ideal model of a perfect outcome. I am | :45:09. | :45:19. | |
grateful to all 84 backbench members who took part in this series of | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
exchanges. On the point of order, Mr Speaker, I told the House in good | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
faith, Sir Craig Oliver vehemently denies that he or any other member | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
of David Cameron's media team knew about the aborted trident test last | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
June. He has said this to my parliamentary office staff in terms | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
bordering on the rudeness. However, when he was invited to appear before | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
the defence Committee today, he told the defence Committee clerk that he | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
did not wish to attend as he had said he had left Number Ten to work | :45:56. | :46:03. | |
for the iron maiden campaign before the test fired into place. Can I | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
correct the record and assure the House that we held the most | :46:10. | :46:10. |