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restore justice to victims. Statement, the Secretary of State

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that the European Union. David Davis. I will make a statement on

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the Government's responds to today's judgment by the Supreme Court. This

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Government is determined to deliver on a decision taken by the people of

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the UK in the referendum to lead the European Union. We will move swiftly

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to do just that. I can announce today that we will surely need to do

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is legislation allowing the Government to move ahead with

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invoking article 50 which starts the formal process of withdrawing from

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the European Union. We received the lengthy 96 page judgment a few hours

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ago and Government lawyers are assessing it carefully. This would

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be a straightforward bill. It is not about whether or not the UK should

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leave the European Union, that decision has already been made by

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the people of the UK. We will work with colleagues in both houses to

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ensure this bill is passed in good time by the end of March this year.

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This timetable has been supported by this house. Let me go through the

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issues step-by-step. The Government's priority following bit

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referendum was to respect the outcome and ensure it is delivered

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in the interests of the whole country. This house voted by six to

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want to put the decision in the hands of voters and that bill passed

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the other place unopposed. 6-1. There can be never going back. The

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point of no return was passed on June 23 last year. The Government

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has been clear that we must leave by following the process set out in

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article 50 of the Treaty on European Union. People want and expect us to

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get on with incrementing the decisions made. Let me turn to the

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process fight invoking article 50 and the issues that arise from

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today's Supreme Court judgment. The Government's view was that it is

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lawful and proper that the Government to give effect the

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decision of the people by the use of prerogative powers to invoke Article

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50. Today, the Supreme Court has agreed with the High Court's

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judgment that the prerogative power alone is insufficient to give notice

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under article 50. That legislation is it required to provide the

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necessary authorisation for this step. In addition, the supreme court

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look at the legislative in triggering Article 50. Relations

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with the EU and other foreign affairs matters are reserved to the

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UK Government and parliament not too involved institutions. The Supreme

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Court summary goes on to say that affords letters serves to not have a

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veto on the UK's decision to withdraw from the European Union. I

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will come back to our collaboration later in this statement. The Comte

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has been giving thought to the steps we would take in the event of the

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Supreme Court Paulding the High Court's view. First of all let me be

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clear that we believe in and value the independence of our judiciary,

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the foundation upon which the rule of law is built. Of course, we will

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respect this judgment. Second, this judgment does not change the fact

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that the UK will be leaving the EU and it is our job to deliver on the

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instruction the people of the UK have given us. We will within days

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introduced legislation to give the Government legal power to trigger

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article 50 and begin the formal process of withdrawal. It would be

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separate to the great repeal bill that will be introduced. This will

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be the most straightforward bill possible to give the decision of the

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people and respect the Supreme Court's judgment. The purpose of

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this bill is to give the Government the power to invoke -- evoke ten

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want -- Article 50 and leave the EU. It is what they would expect.

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Portman -- Parliament will dispute this legislation but I trust no one

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will make a vehicle for attempt to thwart the will of the people or

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frustrate or delay the process. Our timetable for evoking Article 50 by

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the end of March still stands. That timetable has given valuable

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certainty to citizens and businesses across Europe. It is understood by

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European partners and provides a framework for planning that

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negotiation ahead. This house backed that timetable by a majority of 373

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in December and we will look forward to working closely with colleagues

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to ensure the legislation Article 50 is passed in good time to allow us

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to evoking by the end of March as planned. The Government's fifth and

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final principle is to continue to ensure we deliver an exit in the

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best interests of the whole of the UK. The Supreme Court has ruled in

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favour of devolved legislative is in invoking Article 50. It in no way

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diminishes our commitment to work closely with the people and

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administrations as we move forward without withdrawal from the EU. Let

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me conclude with the word on what the judgment means. I know this case

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on an issue of such importance which arouses strong views on all sides

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has not been without controversy. The court was asked the question, a

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proper, thorough and independent process was gone through and it has

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given its and set in law. We are law-abiding notion. Big UK is known

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that the strength and independence of its judicial system. We will

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build on this and are many other strengths as we leave the European

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Union. We were once again be a fully independent sovereign country free

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to make our own decisions. The parameter has set out a

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comprehensive plan including our core negotiating objectives. --

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Prime Minister. She has been clear she once in a constructive

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partnership for the EU and the UK, a partnership that would be good for

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the UK and the rest of Europe. Today we are taking the necessary step to

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research -- respect the decision by announcing a bill. It will be at

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this Parliament to respect the decision it entrusted to the people

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of the UK competition may talk on June 23. I commend the statement of

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the House. Can I thank the Secretary of State. This is a good day for

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Parliamentary sovereignty three. The Supreme Court has ruled that we

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should have a say in this house on the Article 50 issue. Given the

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issues involved, that is quite right and the Prime Minister was wrong to

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have attempted to sideline Parliament in this process. This

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bill is only to be introduced because the Prime Minister has been

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ordered to do so. I hope in the aftermath there will be the attacks

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on our judges that they were when the High Court gave its ruling. It

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is the duty of all of us to defend them if they do and to do so

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quickly. I hope the Secretary of State will join me in that

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endeavour. The question now moves on to the proper role of Parliament and

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the Supreme Court said nothing about the form of legislation. On issues

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as important as this, it would be wrong for the Government to try to

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minimise the role of Parliament or to seek to avoid amendments. I ask

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the Secretary of State to confirm he won't take that approach. This is a

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question of substance, not process. Last week the Prime Minister

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committed herself to swapping then known benefits of single market

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membership and the customs union for the hoped-for benefits of a

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free-trade agreement. With a fallback position of bread in our

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economic model. That high risk. There are big gaps and

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inconsistencies and unanswered questions in the Prime Minister's

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approach. If the Prime Minister fails in her endeavour, the cost

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will be borne by families, working people and communities throughout

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the UK. The stakes are high and the role of this house in holding the

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Prime Minister and the Government to account through the process is

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crucial. Labour excerpts and respects the referendum result and

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will not frustrate the process. We will be seeking to lay amendments to

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ensure proper scrutiny and accountability throughout the

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process. That starts with a white paper or plan, speech is not a white

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paper or plan and we need something to hold the Government to account

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throughout the process. We can't have a speech is the only basis for

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accountability that two years or more. That is the first step. There

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needs to be reporting back procedure and then used to be a minimal --

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meaningful vote at the end of the exercise. The Government should

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welcome such scrutiny, not try to resist it because the end result

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would be better if scrutinised than it would otherwise be. I hope the

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Secretary of State will confirm we will not seek to minimise

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accountability. Whatever the court ruled, it is important that those

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interests are taken into account. What a waste of time and money.

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The High Court decision was 82 days ago. The Prime Minister could have

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accepted them to introduce the bill. We could have debated the issues and

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I would like the Secretary of State to lay out what a cost is to the

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taxpayer of this appeal? Let me say this to the honourable gentleman.

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The Prime Minister was not aiming to sideline democracy, she was

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aiming... Order. The House is in an understandably excited and excitable

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state. What I want to say to colleagues if they don't have to

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look into the crystal ball when they can read the book. Member should

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know that I always want to facilitate the fullest possible

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questioning and scrutiny and it is right that it should happen. It is

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also right that when the Secretary of State is responding to questions

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come he was given a fair and courteous hearing. Aiming to carry

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out the will of the people. 17.4 million people of them in the

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national interest. If I may pick up on the point that the honourable

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gentleman raised, the issue of our judges. I think I mentioned at

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length three times in my statement that this is a nation of the rule of

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law, independent judiciary is important and it is watched by other

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countries as an example to themselves. All the people he could

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criticise, I don't think I am at the front of the issue. Similarly on the

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question of the process through Parliament, there is an interesting

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litany through this whole process. Every single time I get up and I say

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that I will give the House as much information as possible, subject to

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not undermining the national interest will stop not undermining

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our negotiating position and that is what we have done and what we will

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continue to do. Not just through this bill but also through the great

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repeal Bill, subsequent primary legislation, subsequent secretariat

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-- second of legislation and the final vote at the end.

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He told about membership of the single market. To have membership of

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that, you have to give up control of borders, laws, rules, all of which

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of course the Labour Party is single alert incapable of making a decision

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on, let alone coming up with a policy on. As he talks about a plan.

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The Prime Minister last week gave the 6500 word is closely argued

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speech which has been recognised on all sides of this country and all

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around Europe as an epitome of clarity, of very clear objectives,

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vertically ends, very clear ambitions for this country. I don't

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take that point at all. On the point more generally of scrutiny, we have

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now had I think five statements, tender bits, as some 30 different

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Selectric enquiries. -- ten debates. I hardly think that is an absence of

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scrutiny of central government policy. And I have to say, the

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honourable gentleman doesn't often surprise me, but for the ex-director

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of the is to say that the Supreme Court is a waste of time, or taking

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up matters is a waste of time, strikes me as quite extraordinary.

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Quite extraordinary! Or the! I made this point over the last few

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months many times. Taking the civil distance is in order to get the most

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followed that of an clearest, crudest possible guidance in terms

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of a major part of our Constitution. -- clearest, clearest possible

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guidance. I don't think the gentleman has advanced the knowledge

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of the House but look forward to the contribution of others. Mr Kenneth

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Clarke. Mr Speaker, have you had the chance to know that my recently

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published memoirs... LAUGHTER They are cited with approval in

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paragraph 195. Do you share my surprise that that

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is a minority dissenting judgment? More seriously do you accept that

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parliamentary sovereignty has always meant that governments of the day

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pursue broad policy objectives in the national interest and quite

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willingly submit them to the judgment of the House, both debates

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and two votes? And they only proceed with broad policy objectives when

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they have the support of the majority in the House of Commons. So

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would he gave me the government's assurance that this bill will be

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drafted on the basis that it even proves the opportunities for the

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government to give or withhold its consent to major policy objectives?

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And will he pursue that approach in future years question actually

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having one vote right at the end of the process with the highs will be

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taught that either takes the deal the government has, or goes into the

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alternative chaos of having no agreements with the EU or anybody

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else, is not a very good substitute for the normal tradition of

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consenting to the policy aims to the government aims of the day. We have

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been skirmishing over this issue, I think for some 30 years. And was

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with good humour. I will hope to respond to him in the same vein

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today. Let me just take this characterisation. He repeated it on

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television earlier. This characterisation of what the

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government is proposing. We have already had ten debates and vast

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numbers of other arguments. But in terms of what will happen going one

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is a bill to authorise the triggering of Article 50. Then we

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will have a great repeal Bill, Queen through the tyre corpus of European

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law is as it applies to the United Kingdom, -- which will go through

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all European law as it applies to United Kingdom, then major policy

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change is coming, all again in front of the House, secondary legislation

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again in front of both houses. And at the end of it, not just one vote,

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but the vote that eventually decides whether the highs supports the

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policy that we are proposing or not. That policy will be aimed solely at

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advancing the interests of the United Kingdom. It gives the best

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possible negotiated outcome that we can achieve. Having taken on board

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the informing debate of this House of Commons over the entire two years

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in the run-up to it. Firstly, can I welcome the judgment in anything

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which strengthens parliamentary scrutiny over this process? There

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was a time when the Secretary of State himself was a great champion

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of parliamentary scrutiny, back in the dim and distant past. I'm sure

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deep down inside he will be welcoming this judgment. I'm

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wondering why. Why do they fear parliamentary scrutiny? Could they

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be find out, and the Emperor has no clothes? That is talk of democracy,

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and as a gentle reminder in terms of democracy, let me remind the

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Secretary of State of this. When it comes to Scotland the Conservatives

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got there was result at the General Election since 1865. -- worst

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result. You have one MP! Furthermore what we are told today is that this

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is a political decision. And as a political decision over the rule of

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the devolved administrations, I hope this Parliament and government will

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continue to continue to not legislate on areas that are the

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responsibility of the Scottish parliament without its consent. And

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that you believe the Judgment Day, Mr Speaker, said this should

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enhanced devolution. If that is the case will be Secretary of State

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killers today that no powers will be returned from the Scottish

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Parliament to Westminster during the course of this process Chris Martin

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will seek consent from the Scottish parliament before legislating on

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areas over which it has responsibility? Again, I am

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surprised the honourable gentleman said that. I thought the Scottish

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National Party would give great importance to the electoral results

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in the Scottish Parliament, in which the Conservative Party came second

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this time, under the listed below -- under the great Britain Davidson. I

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want to make two points to him. Firstly, the process that they have

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gone through with the vote in the stations, the joint ministerial

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process, it has been going on now for some months in the monthly

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meetings, and the last one had a presentation from Mike Russell, the

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Scottish Governor Minister, on the question of the Scottish and's

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proposals, some of which we disagreed with, some we agreed with

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absolutely, such as the protection of employment law, and some we will

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debate the coming weeks and months. Most particularly to his point, the

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question of devolution, and the vault powers, he knows he I support

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devolution is and can say to him firmly that there will be no powers

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existing in the devolved at the station will come back, but Pires

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and the European Union which we have to decide where they are most

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properly allowed. And the real issue there is that the practical

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interests of all the nations in the United Kingdom, for example,

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preserving the single market of the United Kingdom, preserving the

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ability of the United Kingdom to do international deals, areas that are

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just as important to the odd that is God as to the orderly English, Welsh

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or Northern Irish citizen. -- important to the ordinary Scot.

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Mr Speaker, can I say to my right honourable friend is that the very

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fact that this was a split judgment shows that the Prime Minister was

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absolutely right to take this case of the way to get a full decision.

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And can I ask him to resist much respected friend and not over

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complicating this? After all the question is should the government

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trigger Article 50? So may I urge him, when he brings this in front of

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us, to keep it short, keep it simple and most of all keep it swift? They

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will keep it straight forward is what we will certainly do. He is

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right, this was and is a unique circumstance in many ways. Unique in

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terms of the importance to the kingdom but also the fact it is

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carrying out the will of 17.5 billion who voted directly, summing

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that has never before in our history. It was important to get the

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full outcome from the Supreme Court. I will do everything in my power to

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make sure it goes through swiftly. And that it is properly is

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scrutinised but also it is a straightforward bill that delivers

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the triggering of Article 50 by March 31. Having tried to argue in

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court that Parliament should not decide on the triggering of Article

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50 and lost, as will be Secretary of State now agreed to accept the

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unanimous recommendation of the Rex off Select Committee and in the

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process agree with himself before he got this job -- Brexit Select

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Committee, and publish a white paper on the government objectives? Then

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these can be considered alongside the legislation he has just

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announced. Because of the government does not do so then I have to say to

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him it would be showing a lack of respect for this House of Commons.

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I don't often disagree with myself. But that we say this, -- let me say

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this, the speech given last week by the Prime Minister was the clearest

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exposition of negotiating strategy are have seen modern times. It laid

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out very clearly what we judge the national interest to be, how we

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intend to protect it, what we want to do, what we hope is not happen,

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and how we are going to go about avoiding that. So I don't see that

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this government has avoided answering any question, either from

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his committee or indeed from the front bench. The only questions we

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have been unable to answer our those which would be to the disadvantage

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of the country in terms of undermining our negotiating

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strategy. I will give one example. To the spokesman for the opposition.

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On Channel 4 not very long ago, a couple of weeks ago, he said we want

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to know whether the government will pay for access to the single market

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and how much. If anything would undermine a negotiating position,

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that would, and it is precisely that which we will avoid. We will

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continue to give information to the House, I give his committee and

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undertaking we will give at least that's bad information as we will

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call to the European Parliament with, if indeed both. And we will

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continue to keep the House involved throughout the process, which will

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not be over in a few weeks, but last two years, and the House will be as

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well informed on this as it has been on anything of such importance. The

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Supreme Court the spawning ruled that the form of the bill is,

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entirely a matter for Parliament, because also indicated by then that

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the issues before the Supreme Court have nothing to do with the

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political merits of the decision to withdraw or the timetable, terms of

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so doing, or any future relationship between the UK and the EU. So will

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my right honourable friend confirmed that with any potential amendments

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the bill itself will be short and tightly drawn to give effect

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exclusively to the Supreme Court decision itself? Well, the short

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answer is yes. They were citing to me I think section 122 of the court

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decision and its commentary. And the point of this bill is to meet the

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requirements of the Supreme Court to deliver the instruction from the

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nation at large and to do it in the national interest. That means a

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straightforward easily comprehensible bill to the country

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at large and they can see what Parliament is doing and what

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position it is visiting on the government. That is what we will do.

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I agree with the Minister that Parliament must respect the result

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of the referendum but I hope you will also agree that the government

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does not have a blank cheque either from Parliament or the public over

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what kind of Brexit it now pursues. He has said that there will be votes

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in the process, so can he tell us, given the government has said it is

:26:28.:26:31.

ruling out being in the customs union, in the common external

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tariff, and the common commercial policy, and he knows that there are

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strongly held views on different sides about the impact that will

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have on manufacturing industries which will be so crucial to our

:26:44.:26:49.

future? When will he give Parliament the vote on that decision?

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Firstly, we are to tell the House what our plan is and then we're told

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we don't like that so we want to have a debate on that. The simple

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truth... No, no, that's fine. The simple truth here is their will be

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any number of votes. Too many to count in the next two years across a

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whole range of issues. I can see the issues she is raising coming up in

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the great repeal Bill. I can see it coming up in primary legislation,

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maybe in major secondary legislation. I am sure there will be

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votes in the next two years. If someone debates sending the letter,

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are made voting against restoring the very Parliamentary sovereignty

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three they call in aid? Doesn't the British people want a proper

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parliament not a puppet parliament and swing to Brussels and map

:27:55.:28:02.

requires sending the letter soon? What it requires leaving the

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European Union and that's what we're going to do. Does the Minister and

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accept that the public want us to get on with this and carry out what

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they voted for? Does he accept that the public will not look likely

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remembrance brought in by parties that want another referendum to

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delay unnecessarily but do want amendments that clarify and make us

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all aware of the Government's intentions? She goes right to the

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heart of the matter. The public will not view well attempts to thwart

:28:39.:28:45.

this process, to delay this process and confuse it. They will

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hallucinate -- hallucinate helping the position and negotiation and

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that is what the Government is going to do. There is a genuine desire I

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believe the people to come together to support the Government, to build

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a consensus, to get the best deal possible. The reality is we have

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abandoned the single market, we have abandoned the free movement of

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people without any debate, never mind a vote in this place. On that

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basis... Somebody said we have had a referendum. There was one question

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on the paper. Leads-macro or Remain. We are leaving the European Union.

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As I have asked... I take my right honourable friend's take as a man of

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his word, when I voted out -- in that motion in December, I didn't

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agree that with the triggering of -- didn't agree with the triggering at

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the end of March. I thought we would have a plan and I would like a White

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Paper which we could debate. It will bring us together. What does my

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right honourable friend have to lose on a White Paper? She holds

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passionately a well formed view that firstly in terms of bringing people

:30:19.:30:25.

together, a large part of the Prime Minister's speech was aimed at

:30:26.:30:28.

creating a sense of this country which everybody can get behind.

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Ranging from protection employment rights, through to a role in the

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world. All of them very important. She laid out the clear future for us

:30:37.:30:43.

and the future approach for us. I think that she did everything one

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could ask the Prime Minister, to deliver on those undertakings. The

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point I would make to her now is she says these things weren't on the

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ballot paper. What was on the ballot paper was leaving the European

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Union. It is difficult to see how you can do that and still stay

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inside the single market with the commitments that go with that. What

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we have come up with and I hope to persuade her, is this is well worth

:31:17.:31:21.

game. There is the idea of a comprehensive free trade agreement

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under a customs agreements which will deliver the exact benefits as

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we have there but also enable my right honourable friend to go and

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foremost trade deals with the rest of the world also. It is the upside

:31:33.:31:36.

of living -- leaving the European Union. Last week in her speech the

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Prime Minister said and I quote, "The Government will put the final

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deal that is agreed between the UK and the EU to vote in both Houses of

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Parliament before it comes into force." Article 15 negotiation is

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not the final deal. -- Article 50. It is the future trading agreement

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between the UK and the EU. Can the Secretary of State confirm that

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Parliament will get a vote on both the Article 50 agreement and as the

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Prime Minister said, the final deal and what will happen if Parliament

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says, no, to the terms of either of these agreements? The answer is yes.

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We are standing by both of those. The point is they would be the only

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votes. There will be a large number of other votes in between. The

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Labour Party can ignore it till the cows come home but they will have

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many, many votes on many different policy areas after very extensive

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debate on primary legislation. The parliament will have a great

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influence on this process and it will have the final say. That is a

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democracy in action. Further to that last reply, my right honourable

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friend has given Abril clarity on Article 50. Can he give more

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information on the timetable of the great Repeal Bill. It will be in the

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Queen's Speech. I expect it to be debated extensively and it will be

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the centrepiece and the start of a major debate about the nature of

:33:28.:33:31.

this country in the future and therefore it is important to get it

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in the House very early. For the final vote offered by his Government

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on the negotiated package, it is not a meaningful boat -- vote unless the

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Government guarantees if there is a vote against the withdrawal treaty,

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there will be an option to have continued talks for a better deal

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rather than falling out with no deal at all. Can he guarantee we will

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have bad vote in time for that further discussion to happen? Let me

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make this point to the honourable lady. This is where those arguments

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where we said we won't have a second referendum so can revisit. What it

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does is it gives a price to somebody trying to put up the worst possible

:34:20.:34:24.

negotiation for us. There are plenty of members in the EU who want to

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force us into making us change our mind and going back inside. We do

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not want to do anything which allows or encourages that to happen. She is

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not right to say this boat is meaningless. The select committee

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and the opposition both asps for it. Second hourly, it will be the last

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of many, many votes and debates on major legislation. It means saying

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that one is going to leave the European Union and actually doing

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it. Soft Brexit means saying one is going to lead the European Union and

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remaining in all but name. Which course does the Government intend to

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follow? In his younger days, my honourable friend was an expert in

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Soviet propaganda. I'm afraid I view hard Brexit and soft Brexit as terms

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of propaganda. Can the Secretary of State guarantee that this house will

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have the ability to both scrutinise and vote on the agreement between

:35:43.:35:47.

the UK and the EU at the same time that that agreement is put before

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the European Parliament? I will say it over and over again in a series

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of primary legislation and finally on the vote itself. How the timing

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of that will coincide with the European Parliament, I have not

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given a great deal of thought too and I will do and I will write to

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her. In the course of the court case, great stress was laid on the

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irrevocably witty of Article 50. In those circumstances, the problem

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facing the House is that in triggering Article 50, that

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irrevocably to has to be matched against the excellent words of my

:36:36.:36:39.

right honourable friend, the Prime Minister, setting out a plan which

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is envisaging a future relationship with the European Union from outside

:36:44.:36:48.

of it. In those circumstances, could I urge my right honourable friend to

:36:49.:36:53.

keep in mind that the debate on Article 50 is likely to be greatly

:36:54.:37:00.

facilitated if the ideas expressed by the Prime Minister are put into a

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White Paper or similar document to which in fact reference can be made

:37:05.:37:10.

in the triggering of Article 50. Without festering the Government's

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discretion in its negotiations thereafter. This comes down to an

:37:16.:37:19.

issue of trust and if the Government can build that trust, it will

:37:20.:37:26.

greatly facilitate its task and those such as myself who wish to

:37:27.:37:33.

help the Government, in what it is trying to achieve. My old friend

:37:34.:37:38.

tempts me down a route but I will answer in these terms. In the case,

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the report by the Government did not depend upon the irrevocably witty or

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otherwise of the legal issue in front of us. It depended on the fact

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that we view the moment as being June 23 last year. It is not in the

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gift of the Government to change its mind. We have passed the point of no

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return. I have said over and over again I will provide what

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information I can, as much information as I can without

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undermining our negotiated position. I will continue to do so through the

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article process and beyond. We know negotiations of a two-way process

:38:22.:38:25.

and we accept that our European partners may not be able to agree on

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anything until the German and French elections are out of the way. In the

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meantime, there is a logic to why Article 50 should be triggered by

:38:36.:38:39.

the end of March. It has to do with a two-year process by the time we

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put this next elections, we will have completed that process. It is

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important not to remind colleagues in this house but pro -- colleagues

:38:46.:38:49.

in the other house that there is logic to an end of March date. The

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honourable lady gets the point of the matter. There are many reasons

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for the triggering by the end of March. The rather obvious one is

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that the public wants us to get on with it and that includes Leavers.

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There are practical reasons of business uncertainties will stop the

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longer we spin this out, the more difficult it is for businesses and

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workers about their own future. She is right that it fits neatly in

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terms of delivering an outcome which is in our interests in the European

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timetable both in that there are roughly 15 elections between now and

:39:35.:39:38.

the end of the process. Then there is a European Parliament election

:39:39.:39:41.

which if we get too close to it, could compromise the vote at the

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end. There is a series of reasons why the end of March is incredibly

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important. It is not an arbitrary date, it is designed to uphold the

:39:52.:39:59.

strength of their negotiations. As one who campaigns to remain in the

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European Union, I welcome the decision of the court today which

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gives me the opportunity to show I accept the result of the referendum

:40:08.:40:10.

and I will vote for the bill triggering Article 50. Could I also

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say at the risk of repetition, it would help further the authority of

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the House and the authority of which the EU goes to the negotiations, it

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will take on board the unanimous view of the select committee and the

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expressed by the chairman of the select committee and others. The way

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in which the Prime Minister set out with the clarity of her expression

:40:35.:40:37.

about the plan, it is only enhanced and the work of the House is

:40:38.:40:42.

endorsed by the Supreme Court judgment and it is enhanced by the

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publication of that and the opportunity to debate and cover a

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number of things which the bill cannot itself cover. I thank my

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honourable friend for the tone of his question. The issue here is not

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information. I have said over and over again, I will provide as much

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information as is consistent with the previous motions on this. That

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is what we will do. We will provide as much information as possible but

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there remind that the Article 50 bill will be presented quickly to

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the House. Today's ruling is a victory for transparency and

:41:31.:41:34.

openness but a half-hour speech by the Prime Minister outside of this

:41:35.:41:37.

house with a couple of questions to the media is no substitute the

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Parliamentary scrutiny. The Secretary of State take on board

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their views of members of all size of this house and please bring

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forward a White Paper which I think will unite this house in order to

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forge a way forward? I have been at this dispatch box one

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statement alone five times and I am at great risk of boring beehives.

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But I would repeat to her what I have said already, the maximum

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possible information and debate is what we will deliver. I think this

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House should be grateful to both the Supreme Court and to the High Court

:42:20.:42:23.

for a certain parliamentary sovereignty and allowing us to have

:42:24.:42:30.

a say on the Article 50 process, and I agree with my friend who said he

:42:31.:42:34.

will vote for Article 50, I will too, but with regards to the

:42:35.:42:40.

question of a swift passage of the bill, and I would agree with him, do

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you not agree that when Parliament voted, the Heysel voted for the

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motion in December, not just in relation to the 31st of March

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deadline but also in relation to the publication of a plan? I would

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suggest to him that the passage of the bill will be swifter if a white

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paper is published and debates happen on that too, and the bill

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with the Article 50 process is separate. I hear what you said, I

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just have to reiterate the same point, becoming very boring, but we

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will provide as much possible information subject to not

:43:20.:43:25.

undermining our position. In 2014 in Scotland, we were told we

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had power is Parliament and with equal partner in the UK, but we are

:43:32.:43:35.

not equal to the likes of Belgium and we will not be consulted on

:43:36.:43:41.

Brexit. It is clear Scotland will be taken out against well. As the UK

:43:42.:43:47.

Government pursues Brexit, Scotland must take the opportunity of an

:43:48.:43:51.

independence referendum. And as the Scottish Parliament is not

:43:52.:43:54.

consulted, will at least Scottish members of Parliament in this House

:43:55.:44:00.

be taken into account and respected? Is the answer to the honourable

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gentleman, another old friend of mine, is of course. I have spent a

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great deal of time also speaking directly to the Scottish Government

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and while we are at it the Welsh and Northern Ireland government. In this

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process, it is important we protect the interests of the people he

:44:21.:44:24.

represents, the people of Scotland, in this negotiation. I welcome the

:44:25.:44:34.

Secretary of State's commitment, giving as much information as he can

:44:35.:44:38.

to the House and its committees. Could he explain why the government

:44:39.:44:43.

isn't providing any evidence to the foreign effect committee's enquiry

:44:44.:44:46.

into practical consequences of leaving the European Union after no

:44:47.:44:52.

agreement in place and how come that is a distinct possibility and one

:44:53.:44:56.

over which the government cannot command the outcome? Surely it would

:44:57.:45:00.

be best for the country and everyone affected by this in the land to

:45:01.:45:04.

better understand the consequences as clearly as possible so they can

:45:05.:45:11.

plan for it? As I said, we will provide as much information as we

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can. One thing I will point out however is that this is the question

:45:15.:45:20.

of negotiation, and we do not know what the endgame will be. Even the

:45:21.:45:24.

rather stark example he cites might have aspects which are different. I

:45:25.:45:30.

put and he is talking about the trade aspect. There are so many

:45:31.:45:35.

different things to assess. It would be guesswork at this stage.

:45:36.:45:42.

Today, the government has been humiliated in the Supreme Court. It

:45:43.:45:48.

has been taught a lesson about the real meaning of parliamentary

:45:49.:45:52.

sovereignty and taking back control. Will be Secretary of State now

:45:53.:45:58.

accept this verdict in the spirit as well as the letter of the ruling and

:45:59.:46:04.

finally concede that this House needs votes along the way, not

:46:05.:46:11.

simply debates without votes, and proper parliamentary scrutiny? Then

:46:12.:46:13.

together working across this House we can bring the country to the best

:46:14.:46:19.

possible deal in the interests of all of our areas up and down this

:46:20.:46:26.

country? Two things. Firstly I really recommend she read the

:46:27.:46:29.

judgment rather than interpreting it with her own glass. The detail of

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it, it is good and signed, as indeed I said in my opening statement. As

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for giving continuous votes and information, I have said that all

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the today. The bill should be brief and I'd come simple. Point of

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principle. But as the Secretary of State aware that, if the opposition

:46:53.:47:00.

parties can bind -- conveying to constrain the negotiating hand, for

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instance by assisting on staying in the single market, which would been

:47:04.:47:10.

effectively remaining in the EU, is he aware that many of us believe

:47:11.:47:13.

that, in those circumstances, we should have an immediate General

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Election put to the people? That can then concentrate the minds of the

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Labour Party. He is asking media question which is way above my pay

:47:28.:47:32.

grade, to say the lead. And the person suited for it has left for

:47:33.:47:37.

now. But the point I would make is this, I would hope that every member

:47:38.:47:41.

of the towers would actually see it as their duty to their own

:47:42.:47:44.

constituents to deliver the best outcome. That is what the government

:47:45.:47:50.

strategy is, delivering the best outcome for Britain in this

:47:51.:47:56.

negotiations. First of all I am pleased by the case presented to

:47:57.:48:00.

hand the veto to the Northern Ireland assembly, Britain attempt to

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overturn the result of the referendum has failed. But can the

:48:05.:48:10.

Secretary of State tell us that, now the Northern Ireland assembly has

:48:11.:48:14.

been collapsed by Sinn Fein, what arrangements there will be to have

:48:15.:48:18.

the issues which concern Northern Ireland raised prior to negotiations

:48:19.:48:23.

and during those negotiations? With respect to his first point, it is

:48:24.:48:28.

not above the court was unanimous, whilst it was 8-3 judgment on the

:48:29.:48:32.

rest of the issue, it was unanimous on that matter of not allowing the

:48:33.:48:39.

veto to the executive. In terms of maintaining, not so much and a

:48:40.:48:43.

relationship, but understanding of the issues that relate to Northern

:48:44.:48:48.

Ireland, last week when we had joined the Dennis Taylor committee I

:48:49.:48:51.

wrote to the Northern Ireland Executive to ask them to continue to

:48:52.:48:55.

send ministers to represent the interests of Northern Ireland. --

:48:56.:49:03.

when I joined the Justice committee. When the First Minister and Deputy

:49:04.:49:06.

First Minister disappear in the interim, other ministers remain.

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Last week, they did turn up. I will continue to extend that invitation

:49:13.:49:16.

to that end. If that doesn't work we will find some other bilateral way.

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But take it as read, I take this as they are the top of my River Tees,

:49:21.:49:25.

if not top, to preserve the situation in Northern Ireland,

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preserving the border in its current state, not hardening it, and

:49:29.:49:31.

preserving the interests of the Northern Irish people. No bill that

:49:32.:49:38.

goes through parliamentary scrutiny is not a better bill before it

:49:39.:49:44.

becomes an act of Parliament. Could the Secretary of State announced

:49:45.:49:47.

when we will get a business statement question back then we know

:49:48.:49:51.

the timetabling? Hopefully we can have a date for the second reading.

:49:52.:49:55.

Can I urge the Secretary of State to say we will give ample time for the

:49:56.:49:59.

committee stage so that the House can properly scrutinised it before

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the bill goes through to the Lords? On his last point, that will be my

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intention, certainly. On the first point, the business didn't, there

:50:10.:50:12.

will be won on Thursday anyway. It is a 96 page judgment. Bring to this

:50:13.:50:20.

Appeal Court was insuring we got an authoritative, detailed, final

:50:21.:50:23.

judgment on what we need to do and how we need to do it. We have to

:50:24.:50:27.

study that carefully. It will take a little tired but not much. Then we

:50:28.:50:32.

will come back to the House as soon as possible. -- take a little time.

:50:33.:50:37.

It is possible that the statement on Thursday will cover that. The

:50:38.:50:42.

Secretary of State keeps talking about certainty. But for my

:50:43.:50:47.

constituents, working in the manufacturing supply chain, given

:50:48.:50:50.

the Prime Minister's statement specifically on the customs union,

:50:51.:50:54.

they have nothing but uncertainty about their jobs. So what exactly is

:50:55.:51:00.

wrong with the suggestion from the member for Rushcliffe that the

:51:01.:51:04.

government to bring forward its policy on Brexit for a vote in this

:51:05.:51:13.

House? Well, she talks about certainty, we have negotiations for

:51:14.:51:16.

two years and nothing we can do to collapse that, nothing we should do,

:51:17.:51:20.

so that means there is a limit to the extent at which we can introduce

:51:21.:51:25.

certainty. I had not mentioned it up until then. And there will be debate

:51:26.:51:31.

after debate. Article 50, debate on policy, the great repeal bill the

:51:32.:51:36.

same, and in several subsequent pieces of primary legislation, no

:51:37.:51:43.

shortage of debate or votes. The obligation placed on the

:51:44.:51:47.

government's negotiating position during the passage of this bill may

:51:48.:51:53.

subsequently be subject to judicial review with consequent delay. I hope

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that my right honourable friend will judge the intentions that have been

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announced to amend the bill in that light. As he knows, I view everybody

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with a great charity and generosity and will continue to do so. Further

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to the question from the honourable member from Wellingborough, when the

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Labour government legislated for the Lisbon Treaty, Parliament had 25

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days, including 11 days of the committee of the whole House. We

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have 66 days now before the 31st of March. How many days as the

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Secretary of State planning to give as? Two things first. Wasn't at the

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Lisbon Treaty which was promised a referendum on, which we never got?

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So selling a false bill of goods is not a very good example to

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parliaments around the world. This is Article 50, the triggering

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process only, nothing more but the triggering process. There will be

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vast quantities of legislation, much more than the Lisbon Treaty, between

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now and the conclusion. Does he noticed that those who know talk

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about parliamentary sovereignty mean the YouGov Brussels? When they say

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scrutiny, they could mean delay. And with the spec, the mean

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condescension. British people have voted and we must legislate, don't

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you agree? As ever, my honourable friend speaks for England.

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We are all trying to get the best deal for our constituents, and that

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is why the Liberal Democrats will seek to amend the Article 50 bill to

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give people their first say on the terms of the UK's future

:53:56.:53:59.

relationship with the European Union and government plans to crash out of

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the single market, under customs union, inflicting huge damage on

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families and businesses up and down the country. Why did the government

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take this opportunity to boost their democratic credentials and simply

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agree to such a popular vote? I would ask the gentleman to exercise

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his brain on this matter. The consequence of putting a second

:54:26.:54:28.

referendum at the end of this negotiation is to invite every

:54:29.:54:32.

single member of the European Union who do not want us to leave to put

:54:33.:54:36.

the worst possible deal in the hope we change our mind. We're not to do

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that. Today, we uphold the rule of law by respecting the Supreme Court

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judgment. Will he agree with me that both Houses of Parliament must now

:54:50.:54:54.

respect the result of the referendum by swiftly passing this necessary

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act? He is as right as ever. You can see the phenomenal interest in the

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House in this particular issue and you should not be afraid of

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scrutiny. My honourable friend from Bishop Auckland asked how many days

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would be committed to proper scrutiny of all the issues

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surrounding Article 50 on the floor of the House. Can you accept that

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this bill is more important than the Lisbon Treaty bill, the Maastricht

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Treaty, and any attempts to curtail the opportunities for this House to

:55:28.:55:31.

scrutinise those issues would betray the fear that the government has

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offered proper debate? Is that received two things, firstly I don't

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think I've ever been run away from scrutiny, I spent more time at this

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dispatch box than any other Secretary of State in the last five

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months. In terms of what he is saying about the importance, of

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course it is important, and indeed I want to see as much time as we can

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possibly get for it to be discussed but that's a matter for the usual

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channels to discuss. But the point I would make is this, many people who

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see this bill is included late -- as incredibly important are seeing it

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as some sort of point of no return. The point of no return was passed on

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June the 23rd last year, this is carrying out the instruction of the

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British people. We will do so under full scrutiny of Parliament and its

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authorisation and will give time for that. But don't conflate that with

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the whole process the bill. Sorry, the negotiation. That will take

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much, much more than was given to Lisbon, much more time, because that

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number of legislation will take more time.

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The honourable member talked about democracy.

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He is the only representative of his political party here today. Will it

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be undemocratic if he were to go down to the House of Lords and

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encourage 120 unelected members to play ping-pong and mess about with

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this bill? We must deliver what the British people have asked for they

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will be looking at both houses. They will not have to delay the bill are

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necessarily better web proper process of scrutiny and deliver on

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the will of the people. The Supreme Court today has ruled clearly that

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the devolved legislatures do not have legislative confidence and

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capacity in relation to the UK leaving the European Union.

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Therefore it must for logically that the procedure called English votes

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the English laws should not be applicable when we come to the great

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repeal Bill. It is demeaning to those members who represent Wales,

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Scotland and Northern Ireland. When the Secretary of State has said and

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I believe him, that every effort will be made by this Government to

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hold together the United Kingdom, it will be helpful today if the Brexit

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secretary could rule out clearly the use of evil in terms of the great

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repeal Bill. I can't think of a circumstance where it might reply.

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The point I would say is it rests on a ruling by the Speaker and not by

:58:36.:58:47.

the Secretary of State. Could it releases from the acts such as our

:58:48.:58:57.

membership of the EE a? Bet is a debatable matter of law. There may

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be subsequent matters that arise after the triggering of Article 50

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and if so, we will come back to it. There is no reason why it shouldn't

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go to the end of March. Can I just urge the Secretary of State that

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when the business managers come knocking and say we should condense

:59:21.:59:24.

the processes that we should have several different stages on the same

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day, that the old member who flourished for a 20 years on the

:59:30.:59:34.

backbenches returns and fights hard for this house to say we will do the

:59:35.:59:40.

process properly? I will thank him not to refer to me as the old

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member. Of course I will ensure we get proper scrutiny. I think the

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honourable gentleman has not got another birthday until December.

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Today British judges in the highest court in the land decided a point of

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historic constitutional importance which was unprecedented in law. It

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was therefore right to seek the judgment of the Supreme Court to

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enable them to discover the law as us lawyers euphemistically call it.

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Crucially the Supreme Court recognise the limits of a Scotch

:00:21.:00:23.

additional powers when it left the form of that legislation to this

:00:24.:00:28.

Parliament. Is this not our Constitution thriving in action and

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does it not bode well for the future? She goes to the point that I

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made before the dispatch box. That is why we go to the Supreme Court.

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It was not just the issue of Article 50 and the House of Commons but the

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role of the devolved administrations which had to go to the Supreme Court

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in any event. Is the Minister aware that many of us warmly congratulate

:00:57.:01:01.

the judges, the Supreme Court and the High Court for upholding

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Parliamentary sovereignty which the Government tried to bypass in

:01:06.:01:11.

triggering Article 50? The judges are not the enemies of the people,

:01:12.:01:14.

they are the defenders of Parliamentary democracy. I don't

:01:15.:01:22.

think it goes back to this experience and he will finally ever

:01:23.:01:26.

finally referring to the judges of the people as enemies. I welcome the

:01:27.:01:38.

Secretary of State statement and the ruling which narrowed the scope of

:01:39.:01:42.

the opaque High Court ruling and allows us to pass a short, sharp

:01:43.:01:47.

bill to trigger Article 50. Does he agree that is is -- it is the

:01:48.:01:53.

responsibility in both houses to give effect to the British people

:01:54.:01:56.

bypassing that bill without delay? I agree. From my part, I will

:01:57.:02:03.

endeavour to make this Bill is straightforward and as

:02:04.:02:06.

comprehensible as possible. The reason I say this is because it is

:02:07.:02:10.

the public will be watching us and the public will want to know what it

:02:11.:02:16.

is we are voting on and to understand it. We will aim to

:02:17.:02:20.

present these straightforward bills which will take place as far as is

:02:21.:02:25.

consistent with proper scrutiny. Paragraph 151 of the ruling says the

:02:26.:02:32.

convention has an important role for facilitating harmonious

:02:33.:02:34.

relationships between the UK Parliament and the devolved

:02:35.:02:37.

legislatures. What will you do to ensure that is a harmonious

:02:38.:02:43.

relationship? Disagree -- agree with the ruling and write something down?

:02:44.:02:53.

-- does he agree. That section ends with the phrase that nobody has a

:02:54.:03:02.

veto. In terms of involving and looking after the interests of

:03:03.:03:08.

devolved administrations and the people they represent, we have got a

:03:09.:03:11.

whole process in place, a joint committee which is -- does nothing

:03:12.:03:17.

but consider these matters, consider the interests of the nations of the

:03:18.:03:25.

UK and to ensure that none of the political situation none of the

:03:26.:03:28.

economic situations are harmed in any way. There has been a couple of

:03:29.:03:40.

references to paragraph 122 of the Supreme Court judgment. It says

:03:41.:03:43.

there is no equivalence between the constitutional importance of a

:03:44.:03:46.

statute and its length or complexity. Under Article 50, it

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could be very short. Does my right honourable friend agree that is a

:03:53.:03:54.

very important message for members of the opposition? I will seek for

:03:55.:04:08.

decisive action. The Prime Minister says that no deal is better than a

:04:09.:04:15.

bad deal. Ending up on WTO rules could be the worst possible deal

:04:16.:04:20.

hitting businesses and families hard. Can I press the Secretary of

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State. Will there be a vote in this house at the end of the trade

:04:26.:04:30.

negotiations, not just the Article 50 process but the trade

:04:31.:04:34.

negotiations so that Parliament can decide what is in Britain's National

:04:35.:04:41.

economic interest? Apart from correcting this, there would be a

:04:42.:04:44.

simple trade negotiation. The European Union pretty much always

:04:45.:04:51.

insists on nothing is agreed until everything is agreed so justice and

:04:52.:04:54.

home affairs and security matters and a whole series of other issues

:04:55.:04:59.

will be tied into it. There will be a vote at the end of it. We have

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already agreed that. There has been a lot of talk of second referendums

:05:07.:05:11.

on Article 50 from someone on the opposite side of the House. Will my

:05:12.:05:15.

honourable friend reassure my constituents that the majority of

:05:16.:05:19.

whom voted to leave, that he will category rule out any second

:05:20.:05:32.

referendum? I take the view that the British people didn't know what they

:05:33.:05:39.

were doing first time round. It is patronising and undemocratic. It is

:05:40.:05:46.

improper. Rightly held by one of the smallest part is in the House. The

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answer is I will not be supporting a second referendum. The Welsh Labour

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Government and Plaid Cymru Bill have in good faith come together to

:06:01.:06:08.

establish how Brexit ends. Why will he not do likewise? I spoke to

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Carwyn Jones yesterday and I haven't had the chance to read it in detail.

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It struck me as a constructive submission to the process and we

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will be debating it at the next committee. Joy shall be in heaven

:06:23.:06:28.

over one sinner that the Pentre. Will my right honourable friend join

:06:29.:06:33.

with me in sharing my delight that those who had previously been happy

:06:34.:06:38.

for sovereignty to be dispatched to Brussels now believe in the southern

:06:39.:06:41.

tree of the UK Parliament? Apart from the fact that...

:06:42.:07:03.

The judgment is welcome in establishing that the will of this

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house is superior, is sovereign to the Royal prerogative but is

:07:11.:07:15.

unwelcoming seeking to take back from Wales, Scotland and Northern

:07:16.:07:19.

Ireland, powers that have been devolved to them. Can we promised

:07:20.:07:24.

that the special needs of Wales, who will be hit most severely and

:07:25.:07:29.

withdraw from the single market, we have a Brexit that is not just a

:07:30.:07:36.

red, white and blue Brexit, but a red white and green Brexit is that

:07:37.:07:44.

meets the needs of Wales also? Firstly I think you misread the

:07:45.:07:48.

judgment. It doesn't talk about taking back powers from the devolved

:07:49.:07:56.

administrations at all. As for... As I answered, the interests of the

:07:57.:08:05.

people of Wales have been put together in a paper which has been

:08:06.:08:11.

submitted to the joint ministerial committee and will be debated at the

:08:12.:08:14.

next meeting of the European negotiating arm of that committee.

:08:15.:08:20.

The Supreme Court judgment was decisive in its reference in the

:08:21.:08:24.

position of the devolved assemblies. Given that is the case, what my

:08:25.:08:28.

right honourable friend agree that now was the time for the states men

:08:29.:08:34.

and women of the devolved assemblies to respect the decision of the

:08:35.:08:38.

Supreme Court and to work constructively with the Government

:08:39.:08:42.

for the greater good of the UK of which they are very much a part? I

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could not have put it better myself. I will vote to trigger Article 50

:08:51.:08:54.

but I also have a duty to scrutinise the Government deal to ensure it

:08:55.:08:58.

does not make my constituents poorer. My constituents have a right

:08:59.:09:06.

to know how much the Supreme Court appeal cost them. Would he tell us?

:09:07.:09:11.

I don't have that number in my mind. I don't. I have been studying the

:09:12.:09:16.

agreement today, not the agreement, the judgment. I will provide it to

:09:17.:09:24.

her as soon as I can. About the spending of money on a Supreme Court

:09:25.:09:29.

judgment, I'm sure it will be expensive on one level. Lawyers are

:09:30.:09:38.

expensive. I'm sure he is a much more expensive lawyer. It is the

:09:39.:09:44.

greatest compliment I can pay him. Let me make a fundamental point.

:09:45.:09:48.

When we are dealing with something as important as this, I don't think

:09:49.:09:53.

anybody in the House questions the importance of the constitutional

:09:54.:09:57.

decision that has been made today. It is incredibly pump -- important

:09:58.:10:01.

it has been made on solid ground and with proper authority, made in a way

:10:02.:10:05.

which the Government can interpret properly to deliver the right

:10:06.:10:10.

outcome. I have made this point more than once to stop therefore,

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frankly, it will be worth whatever we pay for it. He is the right man

:10:16.:10:23.

in the right place at the right time. 61% of the people in Kettering

:10:24.:10:27.

voted to leave the European Union. They will take comfort that there is

:10:28.:10:31.

nothing in today's judgment that will delay the process and they were

:10:32.:10:35.

like the fact that their member of Parliament will obey their

:10:36.:10:38.

instructions and vote to trigger Article 50. I commend all other

:10:39.:10:45.

members to do the same. All I can say is I am surprised it was only

:10:46.:10:52.

61% in his constituency. The judgment's terms tell us we should

:10:53.:10:58.

not rely on mere political convention for legal adherents or

:10:59.:11:01.

political confirmation on key matters. That means it will be

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meaningless in the context of the great Repeal Bill but does he

:11:09.:11:11.

recognise that the key constitutional precept of the Good

:11:12.:11:15.

Friday agreement in terms of the principle of consent and that

:11:16.:11:18.

potential for united Ireland, is something that will have to be

:11:19.:11:23.

explicitly included in any new UK treaty. If those provisions are a

:11:24.:11:30.

matter that the people of Ireland without impediment or fully

:11:31.:11:33.

reflected under the terms of the Supreme Court judgment properly

:11:34.:11:40.

reflected. I am not going to reiterate the fact of the Supreme

:11:41.:11:46.

Court judgment on the Irish aspect in question today. He can read that

:11:47.:11:49.

more authoritatively in the judgment. I have said to him before

:11:50.:11:56.

in this house. There is more than one guarantee on this. The British

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Government is determined to preserve the peace settlement and all that

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underpins it. The Irish Government is determined to underpin it. And so

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is the commission. I will say something nice about the commission

:12:11.:12:15.

on this. When I spoke to my opposite number, he was reminding me that he

:12:16.:12:21.

was involved in the original peace process himself. And so all of the

:12:22.:12:27.

parties to this have a vested interest in delivering what he

:12:28.:12:28.

wants. He extolled last week he liked to

:12:29.:12:39.

please his boss, and has wonderful speech last week, and could I say to

:12:40.:12:43.

him he could unify the whole side of the host by publishing a white paper

:12:44.:12:50.

based on are both' excellent speech, which I'm sure will make an even

:12:51.:12:57.

more popular with our boss? I thought I was actually rather

:12:58.:12:59.

restrained given she was sitting there. But I wasn't prompted by the

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honourable lady who gave me the line last time about Her Majesty, I think

:13:10.:13:17.

it was. Nearly. I nearly said, absolutely. I will not rehearse all

:13:18.:13:22.

of the arguments again. I will provide whatever information I can,

:13:23.:13:28.

as much as I can, as promptly as I can, bearing in mind this process is

:13:29.:13:37.

likely to start next week. I agree with the Secretary of State, the

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Prime Minister was very, very clear last week in her speech that we are

:13:41.:13:46.

now leaving the single market, and likely the customs union. Before the

:13:47.:13:50.

referendum his government said that that would cost the British people

:13:51.:13:55.

?66 billion, or roughly half the cost of the NHS per year, and does

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the government stand by that estimate is that a different one and

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could you tell us what it is today? Two things, first thing is I think

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the deputy governor of the Bank of England spoke about the Michael Fish

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moment for economic forecasters. Maybe he could elaborate on that

:14:18.:14:20.

next time he is asked. The second point is this economic models and

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forecasts are only as good as the assumptions going into them. The

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point that the Prime Minister was making last week was not just that

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we will not be members of the single market but that we will seek the

:14:36.:14:40.

freest and most barrier free access in the interests of the people of

:14:41.:14:44.

Wales and others. They are going to seek that. But the negotiation is

:14:45.:14:49.

not complete yet. We will seek that, and if we succeed, it will be hugely

:14:50.:14:57.

valuable for the people of Wales. The EU referendum saw a 72% turnout

:14:58.:15:02.

for a clear vote for leaving the European Union. It showed a strongly

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held at will by the British people. Do you agree with me that the

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Liberal Democrat call for a second referendum, I think one honourable

:15:14.:15:18.

member turned up today, no not here, it shows they do not care about the

:15:19.:15:21.

public view unless they get their way. I am tempted looking across the

:15:22.:15:32.

chamber to say, what Liberal Democrat? And as she said there was

:15:33.:15:36.

only one here at most, showing is they did take this incredibly

:15:37.:15:39.

important issue. I think the public at large will take a view of the

:15:40.:15:43.

Liberal Democrats on this, as they are using it for the want to go

:15:44.:15:50.

purpose, not the national interest. There have been a lot of questions

:15:51.:15:53.

understandably today about process, but also an emerging Brexit reality

:15:54.:15:59.

in the country for which this government is responsible. 1000 jobs

:16:00.:16:05.

going from London to Paris with HSBC. Toyota, Lloyd's of London, UBS

:16:06.:16:10.

and Nissan all reviewing their operations. Exactly how many jobs as

:16:11.:16:16.

the government prepared to lose to other European countries whilst we

:16:17.:16:20.

negotiate our exit from the European Union? I could stand here for ten

:16:21.:16:24.

minutes saying things like Google, Microsoft, all those companies who

:16:25.:16:29.

have decided, McDonald's, decided to be here. I will say this, we have

:16:30.:16:34.

the highest employment and lowest unemployment for a considerable

:16:35.:16:41.

time, completely contrary to the pessimistic predictions of many

:16:42.:16:45.

people after the Brexit results. I'm afraid if you want to look at a

:16:46.:16:53.

dominant station of high badly wrong -- demonstration of how badly wrong

:16:54.:16:55.

the establishment of Britain got this, just look at those numbers.

:16:56.:17:01.

Exiting the EU is uncharted territory. There will be naturally

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uncertainties and challenges, and will you tell the House what steps

:17:06.:17:09.

you are taking and the government is taking to communicate with British

:17:10.:17:13.

businesses to ensure that we can build confidence and foster economic

:17:14.:17:18.

growth in the months ahead? To be frank, I can sense in the numbers,

:17:19.:17:24.

but they are beyond counting now. The number of meetings, with

:17:25.:17:31.

manufacturing, aviation, tours and, finance, banking, and so on, but not

:17:32.:17:37.

just ministers in my department but all across government, they are

:17:38.:17:42.

talking to their own client industries as it were to ensure that

:17:43.:17:47.

they know what their concerns are, what the opportunities are, and what

:17:48.:17:50.

policy measures we have to take to maximise the opportunities and

:17:51.:17:56.

mitigate concerns. And what we are beginning to see, it took a few

:17:57.:18:00.

months, but we are beginning to see a change in mood and to see the

:18:01.:18:05.

opportunity rather than the concern, which is an incredibly important

:18:06.:18:09.

change in mood in the country. You have twice said that the point of no

:18:10.:18:17.

return was on June the 23rd. He has ruled out a white paper, ruled out

:18:18.:18:22.

of order on the plan. Does he agree that neither the words customs

:18:23.:18:27.

union, nor a single market, were on the ballot paper? And if this House

:18:28.:18:34.

decides that it does not wish to proceed at some point with the

:18:35.:18:39.

process after Article 50 has been triggered, do we then leave

:18:40.:18:47.

automatically or is it reversible? Let me say firstly about what was

:18:48.:18:52.

not on the ballot paper. Listing two people say this is rather like say,

:18:53.:18:56.

you said you would sell the car, but the engine and the tyres as well.

:18:57.:19:01.

These components, these elements of the common external tariff barrier,

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the common commercial policy, the will of the European Court of

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Justice, all of these things are components of the UPN union, which

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the public voted to leave. -- of the European Union. That is the first

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thing I would say. But beyond that, he also miss quotes me in terms of

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what I have said about votes and debates. There will be any number of

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votes and debates in the coming two years, many of them about the issues

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he talks about. I fully support the words from all quarters today in

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support of judges who really are the best, most inscrutable and highest

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quality I've seen anywhere in the world. But those warm words need to

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be matched by action by all members in the House today, and in

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particular just as the government is supporting and accepting the verdict

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today, that members accept the words of the Supreme Court in respect of

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the fight but a small bill can have just the power of a larger one and

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that those from some of the devolved parts of the United Kingdom accept

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the verdict as well. And in terms of cost, if he is publishing the costs

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of the government in the Supreme Court, ask the devolved assemblies

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particularly in Scotland to publish how much taxpayers money has been

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spent on joining the action? I will pick up cost. I will provide those

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numbers, no problem. But I will make one point in all of this. They were

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not the people who put the case. We were not the people who put the

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case! So the cost of this is a direct outcome of that. I am not one

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of those, with animal noises from the other side notwithstanding, I am

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not one of those who criticise those who brought the case. It was an

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important constitutional case which is why I think whatever because it

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was worth doing. But don't say to the government why did you defend

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the case? Cause a massively important constitutional issue was

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at stake. My honourable friend is right that we should take it

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seriously and as the status of our law today and will be. We are

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supposed to have the most important devolved parliament in the world.

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The Scotland act or does this all convention is embedded into law. We

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now know that those acts as really worth the paper they are written on.

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When will you do something and act? If you do not accept the very

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reasonable proposals be put to him the Scottish people will ask quickly

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what is the point of being here at all? The first thing I would say to

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him is, if I remember it correctly, the Supreme Court's comments on the

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convention is it was not for the judges to decide, but the point I

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would make is also this but I listened last week at great length

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to the Scottish Government Minister present the arguments in their

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paper. And as I said earlier to one of his colleagues, there are bits of

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that they disagreed with. There are bits of it that we are absolutely

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agreeing that, the most obvious one from my point of view is protection

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of employment law, which I take very, very seriously and we are on

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the same place on that. I talked through with him and others in the

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committee the issue of devolution. And the clear point was no existing

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devolved powers were going to be withdrawn or retracted. Of course

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that will not happen. But of course we have to think in rational terms

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in the interests of the Scottish people and the wider citizens of the

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United Kingdom. We need to have decisions on where the best place to

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make those decisions is. I would like to devolved powers but in some

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cases it is not practical and that is what we have to do, what is right

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for the people, not what's its political interest. -- not what

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suits. I am confident that every member of

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this House will vote to trigger Article 50. Who would they go

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against the will of the people? Do you share my one concern that the

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implications of this case could have an affect on, for example, the

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government's decision to go to war? Could that be challenged by example

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by a member of the public? No, I don't think he's right on that. It

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is a 96 page judgment which we have to go through the detail on. But

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this was confined to two aspects, or at least the major part of the case

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that. The implication specifically for the ECA, and for those treaties

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which have an effect on the domestic legal rights of citizens. I don't

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think that the decision to go to war would fall within that. However, he

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raises more broadly a very important point, because we are in an era when

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the exact feature of the Royal Troon it has to be established and

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understood, particularly when we are understood in complete command of an

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future. -- when the exact feature of the Royal Prerogative of Mercy be

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established. We have to consider where we have to go back for

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authorisation and one of the reasons why we're taking time to be

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detergent. The Secretary of State has mentioned a few times about this

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being a massive exercise in democracy. I just want to put to him

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that are very useful tool in a participatory democracy is issuing

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White papers. I really do not understand why the Secretary of

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State has set his face so against doing that when they are about to

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make the most important decision of many, many generations and trigger

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Article 50. One of the things that were said by the chairman of the

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Select Committee, unfortunately not here now, was that they wanted the

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plan as quickly as possible, before the middle of February. I said it

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would be difficult to turn out if full White Paper before then. One of

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the virtues of delivering this through the prime ministerial speech

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of some length was that we can do it quickly, make it very clear and

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everybody would understand it, and it got coverage around the world in

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a Kiwi which wouldn't have been available for any other medium. --

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in a way which. But the point that matters here is that people remain

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free, and something to tease me of course, about my history as an

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activist for parliamentary votes. -- people remain to be. The point of a

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member is the only here because we represent constituents, and people's

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interests, and what I have done, or tried to do so far, is to provide as

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much information as possible. I keep repeating that. Let's take the plan

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with respect to what was asked by the Labour front bench and by what

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was asked by the Labour front bench and by they asked what we would do

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about the single market. Hopefully that there is no plane. The customs

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front bench and by what was asked by the Labour front bench and by what

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was asked by the Labour front bench and by they asked what they would do

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about the single market. Hopefully that is now plain. The customs

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union? Hopefully that is now clear. What role do we see for Britain in

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the world question mark hopefully that is now clear. But they cannot

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see what the outcome will be. We can give levels of certainty, as we have

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and will, as to what the aims and strategic objectives are, and we

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have done that. I also welcome the judgment today by

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the Supreme Court and I would like to lend my support to the Supreme

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Court but judges and I hope we do not see any repeat of the bile that

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was directed towards the High Court judges last year in the papers

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tomorrow. I welcomed the Prime Minister 's speech last week

:27:22.:27:27.

outlining a free trade agreement but I have received thousands of e-mails

:27:28.:27:29.

from constituents all wanting to have their say on this because 70%

:27:30.:27:36.

of them voted to remain inside the European Union. Does my Right

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Honourable Friend agree, without wishing to make him repeat himself

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again, that the best way to do this is to make sure that my constituents

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have their views heard by the use of a white paper? I'm afraid he has

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failed in not making me repeat myself! What the House has

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determined I would say, in is it just a minute or the quiz, I

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reiterate, the facts of the matter, it is the plan that matters, it is

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answering Parliament was my that matter. We have done all of those

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things. I will continue to provide whatever information I can without

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compromising our negotiating position. I will do that. I thank

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the Secretary of State for his answer when he said he has written

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to the Northern Ireland executive, but would he recognise that it has

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collapsed after eight months and may not have the confidence of the

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people of Northern Ireland, and the fact that they have no joint plan,

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with the Secretary of State make sure that the rights to all parties

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so that we get something that tells all of us where we are going? We

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accept the result, we need a quick resolution, but we must all be

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included. Would he do so? He raises an interesting point. Before I

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answer directly, may I say this? Of course I have sought to get the

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parties in the executive to continue sending a minister to the joint

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ministerial committee, but that is only one mechanism. There are

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others. We will be speaking, we have plans to speak to the Taoiseach next

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week so the Irish government interest will be represented and I

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will talk to others more directly. I went over this early on in my time

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in this Chair. I am inclined to say yes to him. Let me consider

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carefully, I am not going to land myself in some problem. The reason I

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am being cautious is because there is now an election underway and I

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have got to be very wary of the British Government appealing to sort

:29:57.:29:58.

of medal in any aspect of the election. Let me take pause and

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think about that and I will do what I judge is in the best interests of

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Northern Ireland and you must take that as my promise. The pace has

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slowed terribly in the last few minutes. What is required is a pithy

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question of the kind in which a Queens Counsel should specialise.

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Let us hear about the context of the textbook pithily, Lucy Fraser. The

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Supreme Court on the first page of a judgment stated that it wanted to

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emphasise the case is nothing to do with the terms of withdrawal, the

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arrangements for withdrawal or the detail as to any future relationship

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with Europe. In those circumstances, does the Secretary of State agree

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with me that all the Supreme Court decided was that, before pulling the

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trigger, they needed authorisation by Act of Parliament, and under the

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terms of the judgment at least, there is no obligation to set out

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the detail any deeper? With him today was my judgment it says that

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notwithstanding you legislative constraints, and I quote "The EU

:31:10.:31:14.

will enhance the double competence" I asked the Secretary of State the

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same question last week and I was dismayed that he was only able to

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provide his presumptions, so can you now provide actual, concrete

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examples of which types of powers will be devolved to the devolved

:31:28.:31:31.

administrations following our exit to the European Union? I rather

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suspect she missed richly from last week. What I should of said was that

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there are some elements -- that she misquotes me from last week. Some

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elements will stay in the centre, but there will be a number well

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we're going to have to debate the matter and the side and that will

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happen in the first instance in the joint ministerial committee. Single

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sentence questions with the abandonment of any preamble that

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comics might have had in mind. Once the Secretary of State should take

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seriously amendments to the legislation proposed in good faith

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he should give short shrift to those who seek to use amendments to derail

:32:13.:32:23.

or delay the process. I will. The Secretary of State has already

:32:24.:32:25.

attempted a sideline Parliament by refusing to publish a white paper so

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can he be very clear, will the bill be drafted in such terms as to allow

:32:30.:32:34.

not just amendments but substantive amendments, yes or no? I've been

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here 30 years. If you knows how to draft a bill that withstands any

:32:40.:32:42.

amendments I would like to hear about it. -- if he knows how. In any

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negotiation it is worth thinking about the other side. Lord Hill came

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to our committee and said that their strategy for negotiation is to come

:32:55.:32:56.

together with decisions being made otherwise we will be sending mixed

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messages. Does the Secretary of State agree? Yes, and I would hope

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that once we get through the article 50 process we will see a more

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collegiate attitude from all parts of the political spectrum. This is,

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after all, our national interest that is engaged. The Secretary of

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State reminded us that our job is to do what is in the best interests of

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our constituents. The city I represent has 8.5 million visitors

:33:26.:33:28.

each year, two universities and an economy that includes the head

:33:29.:33:36.

offices of EDF and MX. If I don't think that the guarantees offered by

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this government will protect everything that is great about my

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city will be agree that I cannot support this timescale? I am not

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about to protect him from his constituents, I am afraid. My

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comment to him is this. We are in negotiation. If he can point to me

:33:54.:33:58.

and negotiation can guarantee before it started I would be interested to

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hear it. I'm sure the Secretary of State would agree that it seems

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strange many are unaware that legislative changes will be needed

:34:07.:34:10.

on a whole range of issues as we meet, not just on the article 50

:34:11.:34:15.

point. If people try to use tricksy procedure in this House or anywhere

:34:16.:34:17.

else to try and restrict Article 50, it will just fuel scepticism and

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push people to vote lead. That is true and I think his constituents

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will notice. Someone who has been waiting a long time and must work

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out how to do it in a short sentence. Given that the legislative

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consent motion is now a political decision and there is no impediment

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for the government to bring one, can you advise a House of the government

:34:40.:34:43.

had a legislative consent contingency in place before the

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Supreme Court ruling, and why on Earth would he rule out bringing on

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-- bringing one now? Because I said that no component part of the United

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Kingdom has a veto. I have said that dozens of times in this House, if he

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had been listening. Can my Right Honourable Friend assure my

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constituents, a majority of whom voted to leave that he will allow

:35:08.:35:11.

nothing to get in the way of ensuring that the bill that he has

:35:12.:35:14.

announced will be passed as quickly as possible? Yes. Mr Speaker, the

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Secretary of State said in a statement that this government is

:35:22.:35:25.

determined to deliver the decision taken by the people of the United

:35:26.:35:29.

Kingdom, but of course, in Scotland, the country that those of us on

:35:30.:35:32.

these benches represent, voted to remain within the United Kingdom and

:35:33.:35:36.

the Scottish Government has been empowered by the Parliament to make

:35:37.:35:39.

sure that we remain within the single market. Why is he acting

:35:40.:35:43.

against the best interests of the Scottish people and will he not

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understand that, in refusing to accept our will,... Too long, too

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loud! We don't want to hear it, enough. Secretary of State. Number

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one, I don't think the interest of the Scottish National Party are the

:35:58.:36:00.

same as those of the Scottish people. Number two, as I remember,

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the Scottish nation voted to stay inside the United Kingdom. That

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United Kingdom which voted to leave the European Union. The World Trade

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Organisation has done a fantastic amount of work to reduce trade

:36:15.:36:18.

barriers around the world. It is the basis of our trading relationship

:36:19.:36:21.

with the US, where we have a trade surplus. Would my Right Honourable

:36:22.:36:26.

Friend agree with me that this is a great foundation for a trade deal

:36:27.:36:31.

with the EU, and it is for the EU now to do something about that? I

:36:32.:36:37.

agree. The Secretary of State has spoken a great deal about listening

:36:38.:36:40.

to the devolved nations, but will you listen to what they have to say

:36:41.:36:44.

about the importance of unfettered access to the single market? We

:36:45.:36:49.

already have. That was the point the Prime Minister was making when she

:36:50.:36:56.

said she wanted a barrier free, most facilitated trade with the EU. Mr

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Speaker, can my Right Honourable Friend is sure the 70% of my

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decisions who voted for Brexit that, if the Upper House were to attempt

:37:08.:37:11.

to thwart or delay that bill he has a contingency plan to make sure that

:37:12.:37:17.

we meet the March deadline? From what I remember of his constituency

:37:18.:37:20.

he has enough members of the Upper House in it to tell them himself!

:37:21.:37:29.

Will the Secretary of State recognise that 62% of people in

:37:30.:37:32.

Scotland voted to skate. The Scottish Government is not asking

:37:33.:37:38.

for a veto, it is asking for a compromise of Scotland maintaining

:37:39.:37:41.

membership of the single union. When will he actually work with them to

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achieve that? As I have said to several of his colleagues, we work

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at the joint ministerial committee, woo hoo we worked bilaterally, we

:37:53.:37:56.

seek to protect the influence of the older the Kingdom including, not

:37:57.:38:02.

least, Scotland. I don't want to frustrate the protest, but does he

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feel that the referendum result is the only factor that should govern

:38:06.:38:09.

the article with the vote, and isn't that tantamount to signing a blank

:38:10.:38:14.

cheque setting aside the views of our constituents? I don't want to

:38:15.:38:19.

frustrate the process but his question starts... That tells you

:38:20.:38:28.

something in its own right. This is the government seeking authorisation

:38:29.:38:32.

to trigger the start of the new negotiation which was what the

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British people voted for last year. It is not the only issue but it is

:38:39.:38:45.

the most important issue. This judgment rode roughshod through the

:38:46.:38:48.

school convention, so can the Minister assure me that he will seek

:38:49.:38:51.

meaningful discussions with the Scottish Government, discussions

:38:52.:38:55.

that respect and reflect the desire of the Scottish electorate to remain

:38:56.:39:03.

in the EU? I think the Scottish Government will be represented, it's

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case was represented to the Supreme Court and unlike the honourable

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gentleman, I don't pick and choose which bits I like or don't like, I

:39:13.:39:16.

go along with the Supreme Court because it is the highest court in

:39:17.:39:20.

the land, and we have to obey. The country voted to leave but my

:39:21.:39:25.

constituents did not vote for a cut in their living standards. There are

:39:26.:39:30.

genuine, serious concerns about the impact on the economy,

:39:31.:39:32.

manufacturing, higher education and research if the UK left the EU

:39:33.:39:38.

without a deal and fell back onto WTO rules. What assessment has he

:39:39.:39:41.

made of the risks of leaving with no deal in place, and will be published

:39:42.:39:46.

subject to proper scrutiny? Number subject to proper scrutiny? Number

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one, there were a great number of forecasts of how terrible things

:39:53.:39:56.

would be if people voted for Brexit. They were all...

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Not to fail to do so but the get one and that is what will protect her

:40:09.:40:13.

constituents if she's willing to pay attention to it. The Secretary of

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State the to the fact that he wants to reserve the interest of the

:40:19.:40:22.

people of Northern Ireland and that he understands that the peace

:40:23.:40:26.

settlement. Currently we are in an election which will be quickly

:40:27.:40:30.

followed by negotiations which Brexit will form an important part.

:40:31.:40:34.

In discussions with the Taoiseach and with the Irish government, will

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he ensure that special status is well considered for Northern

:40:41.:40:44.

Ireland, as part of those negotiations ensuing from the

:40:45.:40:50.

elections? There are many special circumstances that apply, and when I

:40:51.:40:53.

went to visit Northern Ireland, since I have been in this post, the

:40:54.:40:57.

sort of things that came out were the importance of the border, the

:40:58.:41:02.

single energy market, a series of things like that and we will

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continue to pay attention to them. I am going to be careful about asking

:41:06.:41:10.

questions because of the ongoing election, but I think she should

:41:11.:41:14.

take it as read that we take this very seriously indeed. The Secretary

:41:15.:41:23.

of State for Scotland is no longer in his place. He stole this House or

:41:24.:41:26.

at least five occasions that the school convention was being placed

:41:27.:41:29.

on a statutory footing by the Scotland Act. The Supreme Court

:41:30.:41:33.

today has said that it is not. Which of these two contradictory judgments

:41:34.:41:37.

currently holds the confidence of Her Majesty's government? It is not

:41:38.:41:42.

a contradictory judgment. This is a reserved matter. Surely the ruling

:41:43.:41:48.

confirms that Brexit means Brexit has been totally inadequate as any

:41:49.:41:51.

explanation to Parliament or its people. The devil is often in the

:41:52.:41:57.

detail, particularly the Tory detail. Surely that the Dell should

:41:58.:42:15.

be given in a form of a white paper. The strategic aims are very clear

:42:16.:42:18.

and they are designed to protect the interest of the people she

:42:19.:42:24.

represents. I notice that the judgment was issued during the

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course... And hope somebody will explain that. I wonder if he can

:42:27.:42:34.

tell us by the unelected Lords will have more of a say over the article

:42:35.:42:37.

50 processed only members the devolved institutions? I am trying

:42:38.:42:45.

to think of the significance in terms of the chairman of the Select

:42:46.:42:49.

Committee on Brexit. I did not hear half of his question so I will have

:42:50.:42:59.

to write to him on that. I could not hear that either. I will answer

:43:00.:43:06.

later. The rules in place means that Parliament construes nice

:43:07.:43:08.

legislation as it passes through this House. Will they commit to make

:43:09.:43:13.

sure there are two weekends between the first and second reading? That

:43:14.:43:20.

is not a matter for me. The Scottish Government has published a set of

:43:21.:43:24.

proposals to maximise the relationship of the European Union.

:43:25.:43:29.

Does the Secretary of State realise that not publishing a white paper is

:43:30.:43:33.

tantamount to political cowardice question I have never been accused

:43:34.:43:36.

of cowardice before so I do not know how to respond but the answer no

:43:37.:43:38.

Mac. Supporters of the Government's you

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are trying to delegitimise the opinions of others to thwart the

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decision to leave the European Union. Can I ask to conform to this

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House, having read the Scottish Government's position, there is no

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part of that document suggest that either Scotland or any other part of

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the United Kingdom should do anything other than leave the

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European Union? I am being very careful in the period since I have

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received that document not to criticise it publicly. I wanted to

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have that debate. I was cheering that Committee. I did not want to

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colour the cheering of the debate. You can put it into three

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categories. That I did not think would work, bits that were subject

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to debate, particularly about devolution issues, and that's that

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we are on the same page on matters like employment law. There are

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elements of the paper which will have run into problems, not just

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with the United Kingdom Government but other members of the European

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Union. It was criticised by the Spanish Minister. And also

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implicitly criticised by senior Norwegians. I do not think you can

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hold it up, some sort of ideal model of a perfect outcome. I am

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grateful to all 84 backbench members who took part in this series of

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exchanges. On the point of order, Mr Speaker, I told the House in good

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faith, Sir Craig Oliver vehemently denies that he or any other member

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of David Cameron's media team knew about the aborted trident test last

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June. He has said this to my parliamentary office staff in terms

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bordering on the rudeness. However, when he was invited to appear before

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the defence Committee today, he told the defence Committee clerk that he

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did not wish to attend as he had said he had left Number Ten to work

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for the iron maiden campaign before the test fired into place. Can I

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correct the record and assure the House that we held the most

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