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Order. Ten minute rule motion. Mr Peter Alldays. I beg to move that | :00:07. | :00:16. | |
lead be given to bring in a bill to require the inclusion of vehicle | :00:17. | :00:23. | |
fuel receipts on the amount of tax made to require all fuel pumps to | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
display the amount of taxes paid when dispensing fuel and for | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
connected purposes. Mr Speaker, this bill calls for all taxes to be | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
clearly shown on fuel receipts. Its principle is very simple. The tax | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
issue be clear to the people who pay them. At the moment they are not. | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
The bill provides motorists with a far better clarity on what they are | :00:50. | :00:56. | |
paid. A simple breakdown of fuel duty, VAT and VAT on duty. There is | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
no reason why these measures should be unnecessarily burdensome or | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
expensive to businesses. I understand for the Treasury who are | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
advising motorists contacting them in support of this build that it | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
will be in practical to introduce it. My response would be that VAT, | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
one of the taxes in question, is already shown on receipts and all | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
that is required for fuel duty to also be shown is a simple | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
calculation, multiplying the number of litres by the duty per litre. The | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
software cost of doing this is minimal. With prices at the pounds | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
rising to the highest levels for over two years and total taxation of | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
fuel bills hovering between 65 and 70%, it it is also important that | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
government are open and transparent. Surely it is right that the nation's | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
37 million drivers should see the magnitude of the tax that they pay | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
every time they fill up their tanks? The government must be commended for | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
freezing fuel duties since 2011. However the UK remains one of the | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
most costliest nations in which to fill up with diesel and petrol. This | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
is solely due to the high tax component in pump pricing. The | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
amount of tax remains a huge issue for drivers. This is a tax, Mr | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
Speaker, on a resource that over 70% of people have no choice to buy in | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
order to go about their everyday lives. Total fuel duty revenue is | :02:36. | :02:46. | |
approximately ?27 billion per annum, with an additional 20% VAT on the | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
duty itself, bringing in an extra ?5.24 billion. Once drivers find out | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
about the on fuel duty, a tax on a tax, it really perplexes and rankles | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
them. The bill aims to give motorists what my honourable friend | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
the member for Ipswich has secured for taxpayers in general as a result | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
of the statements of taxation bill but he presented on the 25th of | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
January 2012 and which was subsequently included in the 2012 | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
budget and was introduced in 2014. As a result of his initiative, | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
taxpayers now see how the money is spent, broken down area by area of | :03:31. | :03:31. | |
government spending. Council taxpayers have the same | :03:32. | :03:40. | |
right, the bills they receive in spring itemise what which each | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
authority will receive and invariably the Bill comes with a | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
letter from council leaders explaining what they will do with | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
our money. It is only right that hard-pressed motorists are put on | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
the same level playing field rather than being continually exploited as | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
a cash cow. The member for Ipswich's initiative was an important step | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
along the road to full fuel tax transparency. It is now important to | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
complete this journey so that motorists are also able to hold | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
government to account. It must always be remembered that it is | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
their money, not the state's I commend my Right Honourable friend, | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
the member for Harlow who presented a very similar Bill to this on the | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
16th of October 2012. She has been a real champion for motorists and it's | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
important we build on the great work that he did in helping secure | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
successive increases of fuel duty. It is also appropriate to pay | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
tribute to the tremendous campaigning work of Fair Fuel Uk and | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
their founders Quentin Willson and Howard Cox, for standing up for | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
motorists at every turn of the road. I'm grateful for the support I've | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
been provided by the APPG for fair fuel, chaired by my honourable | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
friend, the member for Dover. It is also appropriate to highlight the | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
pump watch act fair fuel UK are launching to show how much UK | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
drivers would pay for the same number of litres that they have just | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
bought if they had bought them in 23 other countries. I'm afraid, Mr | :05:20. | :05:27. | |
Speaker, that the UK does not occupy a good position in this particular | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
league table. Mr Speaker, I will set out four reasons why I believe there | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
is a compelling case for introducing this Bill. Firstly, there is the | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
need for transparency. To be open, upfront and honest with who as | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
taxpayers have been taken for granted for too long. The magnitude | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
of the tax paid every time drivers fill up at the pumps has been hidden | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
from them for decades. UK drivers continue to pay the highest fuel | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
duty in the world for diesels and the fifth highest for petrol. There | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
is a need for transparency so that the country's 37 million drivers can | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
see how much they contribute to public services and our economy. The | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
traditional VAT only fuel receipts which are given to us at petrol | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
stations and which invariably we file away in the Glock compartment | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
must end now and be replaced by open and complete tax information. -- | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
glove compartment. This time drivers will be able to see every time they | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
fill up their vehicles where their hard earned cash is going and going | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
in the Treasury and in what form. Fuel duty, VAT and VAT on duty. Mr | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
Speaker, when prices at the pumps fell to around ?1 per litre in 2016 | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
the tax that the government took from drivers reached 75%. What other | :06:53. | :07:00. | |
huge tax contribution is kept hidden from those who pay it? I believe | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
that there is an obligation on government to be open with UK | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
drivers regarding the taxes that they pay. If drivers feel that they | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
are being taken for granted we are driving down a very dangerous road. | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
There is a need to be completely upfront to show motorists what they | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
are paying. Secondly, it is important to highlight the | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
progressive nature of fuel duty. In particular, it hits hard working | :07:29. | :07:37. | |
families and those Jams whose recent challenges we have highlighted. 90% | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
of journeys are by road, 70% of drivers have no choice but to use | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
their vehicles to go to work, to drive their children to school, to | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
take their elderly parents to hospital and to go out for the day | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
with their families. I see the problem for myself in my own way | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
from the constituency where wages are below the national average with | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
many people having no choice but to use their cars to get to work. Quite | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
often travelling long distances to places like Norwich, Ipswich and | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
Felixstowe. And where there is also a limited number of petrol stations | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
from which to buy fuel. Waveney motorists, like so many in similar | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
areas across the country, I hit hard by this triple whammy. Mr Speaker, I | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
sensed time is ticking. My third point is that it is important to | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
highlight the impact that fuel duty has on the economy. Since 2011 the | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Treasury has listened to the carefully researched and evidence | :08:34. | :08:42. | |
-based fair fuel campaign to free duty, care fuel UK proved that the | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
level of fuel duty directly impacts on the success of the economy and | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
creation of jobs, level of job creation, investment by small and | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
medium-sized businesses and consumer spending. My fourth point, Mr Deputy | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
Speaker, is the enormous groundswell of support these measures have | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
across the country as a whole and around this chamber. In conclusion, | :09:05. | :09:11. | |
Mr Deputy Speaker, the Bill is targeted at the nation's 37 million | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
drivers, to all our constituents, so that they can see how much they are | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
contributing to the public purse. Our public services and promoting | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
economic growth. The clandestinely fuel tax receipt must end and must | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
be replaced with open, straightforward and complete tax | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
information for all drivers which they can see every time they fill up | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
their vehicles. It is a straightforward Bill. It will | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
provide straightforward transparency on fuel duty, on what people pay and | :09:44. | :09:50. | |
where their money goes. It will make the taxation system more honest. It | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
will spark a debate as to whether the motorist should continue to be | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
used as the nation's tax cow and how the money is spent. Mr Speaker, I | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
have expended your patience and I hope the whole house supports this | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
Bill. Mr Speaker the honourable gentleman has never strained my | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
patients, it is always a pleasure to listen to his mellifluous tones and | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
I noticed as he made his case he singled handedly relegated me to the | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
status of Deputy Speaker. For which, of course, I'm extremely grateful. | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
The question is that the honourable member have leave to bring in the | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
Bill. As many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no". I | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
think the ayes have it, the ayes have it. Who will prepare and bring | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
in the Bill. I apologise for that error. Mr Speaker, the Bill will be | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
brought in by Mr Alistair Carmichael, Angus Brendan MacNeil, | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
Martin Vickers, Danny Kinahan, Charlie Elphicke, Margaret Ritchie, | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
Maria Caulfield, Drew Hendry, Rishi Sunak, Jim Fitzpatrick, James | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
Cartlidge and myself. Vehicle fuel, publication of tax | :11:05. | :11:53. | |
information Bill, Second Reading. What a? 24th of February. -- what | :11:54. | :12:01. | |
Dave. 24th of February, thank you. The clerk will be the orders of the | :12:02. | :12:09. | |
day. European union withdrawal Bill, motion for Second Reading. | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
The original question was that the Bill be read a second time. Since | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
when an amendment has been proposed as on the order paper. The question | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
is that the amendment be made. Just before I call the Right Honourable | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
gentleman for Doncaster North who will open proceedings today, I | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
should point out that there is an initial, but it will be a very short | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
lived time limit on backbench speeches of eight minutes. Ed | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
Miliband. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to say at the outset of this | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
debate that this is clearly a fateful moment in the country's | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
history and I think the excellent speeches on day one of this debate | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
reflected the gravity of the moment. I also want to say, Mr Speaker, we | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
should all respect the way in which colleagues on all sides of the House | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
are wrestling with their consciences as they decide to vote on this Bill, | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
nobody should pretend it is easy. For me the actions I'm going to take | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
tonight I determined by the result on June the 23rd. In case the House | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
needs reminding, Mr Speaker, I didn't want this referendum. And | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
indeed, I made a strong case to my colleagues and indeed decided my | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
party would not support David Cameron's decision in the last | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
Parliament. The reason was that I felt the country had many, many | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
other problems if faced and that the referendum would become as much | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
about the state of the country is about Britain's place in Europe, and | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
indeed I believe that is partly what happened. But, Mr Speaker, I believe | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
that is water under the bridge. I took part in the referendum | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
campaign, I said I would accept the result, and I do. That is why I will | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
be voting for Second Reading tonight. I will in a moment... Part | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
of the reasons I will vote the way I will be voting tonight is I think | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
this referendum in part from a deep frustration about politics and a | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
sense of disaffection from politics that there is in the country. And | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
therefore, I think a heightened reason for saying that this process | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
must begin is we do not want to give the sense that people having voted | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
for Brexit, because they felt they had been ignored, are being ignored | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
once again. I'm grateful to my honourable friend for giving way and | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
I accept the result of the country and in my constituency. Does he | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
agree with me that nobody remain or leave, voted to become poorer and | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
the test for the government is to produce that prosperous pro Brexit | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
Britain and a deal that isn't the best interests of Britain? My | :14:37. | :14:38. | |
honourable friend puts the point very well and I wanted to come onto | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
that because our responsibilities don't end tonight or indeed with the | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
passing of this Bill, Mr Speaker. I believe it is deeply problematic | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
that the government is embarking on this process without an economic | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
analysis, objective analysis of its implications, without clarity on key | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
issues like the customs union, without any sense of what the | :15:00. | :15:01. | |
transitional arrangements might look like, and on the basis of what I | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
believe is a fanciful proposition that all of this can be tied up | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
within 18 months including the future arrangements. Now, a number | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
of speakers on day one powerfully made the point that given the | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
paucity of information we have been given before Article 50 is to be | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
triggered it is even more important that there is proper Parliament with | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
scrutiny, including a meaningful vote in this House before the end of | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
the process. The Prime Minister's apparent wish to say that choice | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
will be given is to accept that her deal, or face a hard Brexit on WTO | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
terms in my view would be quite wrong. That is a take it or leave it | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
option which flies completely in the face of the central proposition that | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
won this referendum which was take back control and Parliamentary | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
sovereignty. I hope members, and I particularly say this to members on | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
the other side, however they voted in this referendum, will support | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
amendments which seek to ensure there is proper Parliamentary | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
sovereignty throughout this process. I actually believe, Mr Speaker, that | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
Parliamentary scrutiny will help the government, it will improve any deal | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
that is made, it will strengthen their hand with the European Union | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
and actually it will make it more likely that the Prime Minister ends | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
up with a deal which has the support it needs in the country. With my | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
Right Honourable friend give way? Would he not agree with me that | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
without the safeguards that he seeks there may be a crock of something at | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
the end of the rainbow but it just may not be gold? | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
Well, she puts it very well. I think it is deeply uncertain, and I think | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
the truth is that the government has not really levelled with the country | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
about the trade-offs. At the moment they are saying they can have | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
everything and I fear that pretty soon in the negotiations we will | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
discover that is not the case. Mr Speaker, I want to focus on her | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
remarks, not on the economic questions which were well worn | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
yesterday, but on another equally important issue which has received | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
less attention in the debate but I think is absolutely crucial, which | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
is our place in the world and foreign policy relationships after | :17:08. | :17:08. | |
Brexit. The foundation of our foreign policy | :17:09. | :17:20. | |
for a generation has rested on a special relationship with the United | :17:21. | :17:30. | |
States and the European Union. Under the last government and this | :17:31. | :17:37. | |
government, a commitment to the rule of law on human rights, climate | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
change, all of these have been bound up with our relationship with the | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
European Union. I do think we should be under any illusions. There is a | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
real risk of our departure that our influence in the world is weakened. | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
I negotiated on climate change for the last Labour government. Our | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
strength, power and standing came through our membership of the | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
European Union because we were 10% of global emissions, not just 1% of | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
global emissions. I will give way in a second. Therefore I believe the | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
house should recognise that this question of what strategic | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
relationship comes after Brexit is fundamental to the issue of real | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
sovereignty. Our ability to have an effect on the things that will | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
affect us. I give way briefly. Is he not concerned though, and he raises | :18:33. | :18:40. | |
an important issue about the future of ourselves and the European Union, | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
but is he not concerned that the R 139 overseas posts and is he | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
asserting the authority of the European Union over the member | :18:54. | :19:02. | |
states. We will be reasserting sovereignty. The question is what | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
comes next in all of us need to address ourselves to that question. | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
Of course the terrible irony, in my view, is that our European | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
corporation is so clearly now needed with the election of President | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
Trump. -- cooperation. I believe in a special relationship with the | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
United States, but it must be based on values. The Foreign Secretary | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
said after the election of President Trump, he is a guy, that is | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
President Trump by the way, who believes in values that I believe in | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
as well. Freedom and democracy. I don't agree and I hope one | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
reflection after a few days of President Trump the Foreign | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
Secretary doesn't agree either. My central point is this. I can go | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
along with the Prime Minister that Brexit means Brexit, but I cannot go | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
along with the idea that Brexit means Trump, and nor do I believe | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
that that is... And nor do I believe that that is inevitable and nor do I | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
believe that that is what the British people want either. But the | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
danger of this, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister feels it is an | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
inevitable consequence that we are driven into the arms of President | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
Trump. So what should be done? The Lancaster house speech was no doubt | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
an improvement in tone on what had gone before, but not one of the | :20:27. | :20:34. | |
Prime Minister's 12 principal spoke about things like climate change. I | :20:35. | :20:42. | |
hope the government can come up with an architecture for foreign and | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
statistical operation with the European Union and not just an ad | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
hoc arrangement. This will be intergovernmental, but there are | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
many issues from Russia to refugees, climate to defence where we will be | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
stronger not weaker if we have institutions which mean cooperation | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
between ourselves and the European Union. We don't just mean the right | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
institutions, but they must be founded on strategic orientation | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
which continues to value our role in Europe. We must be willing, even as | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
we leave the EU, to join with our European allies whose values we | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
share on human rights and human law. Where has the co-ordinated response | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
to the Trump Muslim ban bin and why has the government not been pushing | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
for it? As I understand it... I will give way, but I want to get to the | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
end. Be dual citizenship exam shunned the UK has one will only be | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
extended to New Zealand, Australia and Canada. It's good we have the | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
exemption, but we should be standing in solidarity with our European | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
allies asking for this the end. In the wake of President Trump Ozma | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
election, foreign ministers agreed a joint statement on the continuing | :22:00. | :22:07. | |
need for a two state region. There were continually blocked. It is no | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
wonder that your fears we are throwing in our lot with President | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
Trump and turning our back on them and I said this, no good will come | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
of this. These are a test of who we are as a nation, our values and how | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
we intend to imply them in the years ahead. We have designed rules and | :22:25. | :22:33. | |
promoted them, but the alternative is far far worse. Incidentally, | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
surely there must be no more talk, particularly in the current context | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
where human rights in so much at risk of us leaving the European | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
Convention on human rights. I hope the government will have been | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
prompted by President Trump Ozma first few days in office to think | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
about the approach. History will judge us not only on the decisions | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
we make on this bill tonight, but beyond. The government has a heavy | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
responsibility. We expect them to exercise it on behalf of the whole | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
nation, not just the 52% and for that we will hold them to account in | :23:09. | :23:16. | |
the months and years ahead. The right Honourable gentleman spoke as | :23:17. | :23:19. | |
he always has with passion for an international Britain and European | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
solution to many of the problems we face. Democracy is easy to defend | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
when you agree with the majority because you have the advantage of | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
many other political systems like dictatorships that you get your way, | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
but you have the added advantage of legitimacy and popular consent. | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
Democracy is much more difficult when you disagree with the majority | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
and as people know, I argued passionately in this referendum that | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
I felt leaving the European Union would weaken Britain's trade and | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
commercial links, that it would diminish Britain on the world stage, | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
but it would make more difficult international approaches to things | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
like climate change, or atomic research and it would also weaken a | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
multilateral institution, the European Union, which has been vital | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
to our collective security for many decades. I made those arguments and | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
it saddens me that Britain and Brexit is bracketed in the same | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
group as other isolationists and nativists movements around the world | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
at the moment and we should strive to be, as the Prime Minister says, a | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
more global Britain. But I lost the case. I made it with passion, I | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
sacrificed my position in government for it and in the end we have to now | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
except... I bought make some progress and then take some | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
interventions. We had two accept that in a democracy, the majority | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
has spoken, and whilst I am a passionate believer in an open | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
internationalist free trading Britain, I am also a passionate | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
believer in Britain as a democracy and it is unfashionable in schools | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
these days to teach what I believe is a true tale of our nation's | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
history which stretches from the Magna Carta to the glorious | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
Revolution. The founding fathers of the American revolution, female | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
emancipation and the like, but we have given the modern world version | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
of democracy that has spread far beyond our shores. Therefore to vote | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
against the majority verdict of the largest democratic exercise in | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
British history, I think would risk putting parliament against people. | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
It will provoke a deep constitutional crisis in our | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
country. I think it would alienate people who already feel they are | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
alienated and I am not prepared to do that, Mr Speaker. So I will be | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
voting for the bill tonight. I wish to make some progress and I want | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
others to have a chance to speak, so I won't take interventions from the | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
other side or indeed my side. The point I would make however is this. | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
There was a mandate to leave the European Union, but that was the | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
only question that was asked of the British people in that referendum | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
and I don't think we can assume that there were a set of answers from the | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
British public to the questions we now face is a parliament. Indeed | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
those questions are now entrusted to us as we approach these | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
negotiations. I call the negotiations. Personally, I do think | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
they are going to resemble the negotiations we currently read about | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
in the media and in newspapers. The truth is that while Britain is | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
seeking the maximum possible access to the single market for goods and | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
for services and while we hope that the fact that we have a trade | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
deficit and a very important financial centre will count in our | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
favour, the government has chosen, and I respect this decision, not to | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
make economy the priority in this negotiation. They have prioritised | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
immigration control and removing European Court of Justice | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
jurisdiction from the United Kingdom and in that sense asserting | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
parliamentary sovereignty, although I would point out that Parliament | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
can choose to leave the EU as we are choosing to do in the coming days. | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
Not prioritising the economy, although we hope the best possible | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
arrangement. The European Union is not prioritising the economy either | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
in these negotiations. Having spent the last couple of weeks in Berlin | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
and Paris talking to some of the French and political leaders it is | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
clear that while they understand that Britain is a very important | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
market for their businesses, the priority is to maintain the | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
integrity of the remaining 27 members of the European Union. They | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
are not interested in a long and complex hybrid agreement with the | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
United Kingdom and so therefore both sides at the moment are heading for | :28:02. | :28:08. | |
a clean break from the United -- from the European Union for the | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
United Kingdom. In the end the negotiations will come down to how | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
the break is achieved. The Prime Minister in her speech a couple of | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
weeks ago made it clear that Britain is seeking a transition agreement. | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
It's not possible for this Parliament to introduce all the | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
domestic legislation that will be required to replicate the | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
arrangements that we currently have with the European Union, even with | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
the great repeal act, and we will need to have some kind of bridge to | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
the free trade agreement that we seek with the European Union. At the | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
same time the European Union needs from us financial commitments that | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
it believes we entered into to pay for European projects that were | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
undertaken while we remember and in practice what that means is that the | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
negotiations will be a trade-off, as all divorce is art, between access | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
and money, and we will try and scale down our payments to the European | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
Union while scaling down our commitment to European Union rules | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
and access until we reach that free trade agreement which we hope to | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
negotiate. To be honest, I will just finished my speech and others can | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
speak. That's what the negotiations will be like. I suspect it will be | :29:24. | :29:32. | |
bitter. I spent four years negotiating with my French | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
counterpart and I would advise the Secretary of State to be well | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
briefed and packed a packet of pro plus because there will be long | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
nights ahead. We don't forget the fundamental reasons why Britain in | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
the first place wanted to be part of the European Common market, nor do | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
we allow the Europeans to forget there was a fundamental reason they | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
created a European Community, which was to bring the nations of Europe | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
together and that we try and keep those thoughts alive as we exited | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
the EU. The final thing I want to say is this. We have made a decision | :30:09. | :30:15. | |
to leave the European Union and as the successful Leave campaign put | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
it, to take back control. That does mean a series of issues will come to | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
this Parliament that completely divide Brexiteers from each other, | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
Remainers from each other, they divide conservatives and members of | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
other parties. We will have very lively debates about free trade. You | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
are beginning to seek a Prime Minister's Questions about what kind | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
of agricultural produce we want in the country, or the kind of public | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
procurement contracts we want. We'll have a lively debate about | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
immigration, how many people we want here and how do we welcome school | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
people? How do we support our universities and scientific research | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
institutions? We will argue about agricultural subsidies on whether we | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
are happy for the poorest people to pay taxes and subsidies to some of | :31:03. | :31:13. | |
the richest. I will be in those fights in the couple of years ahead. | :31:14. | :31:22. | |
Thank you. Mr Speaker: I start by congratulating the former Chancellor | :31:23. | :31:24. | |
on his speech which was a good deal shorter and a great deal less | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
lucrative than the ones he is used to giving these days. As has been | :31:29. | :31:40. | |
pointed out to the Tory benches, he is anything but cheap these days, | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
but can I say to the former Chancellor, they may have argued the | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
case with passion during the campaign, but it was his tendency to | :31:49. | :31:55. | |
take Treasury forecasts as to the long-term damage that will be done | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
by withdrawal from the single market in terms of GDP and wealth for this | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
country and turned them into apocalyptic emergency budget | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
scaremongering that was one of the main reasons they lost the campaign. | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
Campaigns have to be built on more than fear. I won't talk about the | :32:15. | :32:23. | |
politics, economics -- I want to talk about the politics, economy and | :32:24. | :32:32. | |
Scotland. There was a time when the house was gripped by collective | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
madness. That time of history was Iraq, when this house was mesmerised | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
by a strong Prime Minister into the blood and disaster of the Iraqi war, | :32:42. | :32:50. | |
but it's certainly not mesmerising rhetoric that is responsible for mad | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
MP disease in this case. One MP compared it to Alice in Wonderland, | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
but Alice only took herself into the hole. This Prime Minister is taking | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
virtually all of the Tory party, half the Labour Party and the entire | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
country into the hole. It is politically crazy what is being | :33:10. | :33:10. | |
done. It was said Britain had lost its | :33:11. | :33:20. | |
empire and was yet to find its role. Listening to the speeches of the | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
Tory backbenchers yesterday I wasn't sure if they were Rekik -- | :33:24. | :33:35. | |
reconciled to the Empire's loss. Balancing that with a special | :33:36. | :33:37. | |
relationship with the United States of America. A German Chancellor once | :33:38. | :33:43. | |
said the relationship was special because only one side knew about it | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
and that is certainly true, but nonetheless it was a rational | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
policy. Some prime ministers took it far too far into the desert of Iran | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
but nonetheless it was a rational, logical policy. But you can't pursue | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
that policy of influence in Europe and all of the good things that come | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
from it as the Right Honourable member for Doncaster reminded us. | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
Cut Batov and then pursue the special relationship with the United | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
States of America. -- cut that offer. That Leeds Youth Court in the | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
headlights like the Prime Minister was earlier this week when asked to | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
condemn the obvious thing any human being would have condemned. She | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
refuses to do it three times in case she offends her new best friend in | :34:29. | :34:40. | |
the White House. -- that leaves you caught in the headlights. Moving | :34:41. | :34:41. | |
towards President like that will leave you | :34:42. | :34:48. | |
more and more embarrassed. And then there is the economic damage. Yes, I | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
will. Earlier on my honourable friend mentioned the issue about | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
climatic change in relationship the American President. He said he will | :34:59. | :35:04. | |
tear up those agreements and where will Britain stand Ben? What support | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
will it get? -- example of the embarrassments to come. There is | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
nothing wrong with the forecasts about coming out of the Single | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
Market place, even if there is a bespoke deal there will be a 6% loss | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
in GDP. Can my Right Honourable friend help my understanding that it | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
was the Tories that wanted to safeguard British interests in the | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
Single Market? Am I correct in recalling that in the manifesto? In | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
the Tory 2015 manifesto it is not my bedtime reading. But as I remember | :35:39. | :35:45. | |
it was Page 72 and it said we say yes to the Single Market and they | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
were right to say yes. It is funny yesterday that all of the | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
Conservative speakers remembered that commitment to a referendum and | :35:53. | :35:55. | |
not one of them remembered their commitment to the Single Market | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
place. And, of course, it wasn't the case that a withdrawal from the | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
European Community means a withdrawal from the Single Market | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
place. I had the pleasure during the campaign of debating with Daniel | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
Hannan NEP who said, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
our place in the Single Market -- MEP. Of course it is possible to | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
honour the result of the referendum and stay within the Single Market | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
place. Even if you think they will be a Nexit from the Single Market | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
place it is madness in diplomatic negotiating terms to abandon that | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
position now. You should keep the place in the Single Market place and | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
allow the other European countries to negotiate you out of it, not give | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
it away before the first word is spoken in the negotiations. Next, Mr | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
Speaker, we come to the procedures of this House. This is the list of | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
amendments stretching to 100 and more pages, 103 now. We are told | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
this is to be debated in three days. The Scotland Bill which was not the | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
greatest constitutional change in history 18 months ago, six days of | :37:03. | :37:10. | |
debate. I would say to the members, like the honourable member for | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
Doncaster North who listed all of the things wrong with the | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
Government's approach, if you believe that now you should vote | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
against the government, or if you can't do that at least four | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
programme motion that would make it possible to make the sensible | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
changes that the Right Honourable gentleman outlined. So, procedurally | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
of course. This is deficient and it has been pointed out well yesterday. | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
It is not just deficient in terms of the time, it is also deficient in | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
terms of the question that will eventually be put before this House. | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
The final vote on the deal that comes back from a Prime Minister who | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
said no deal is better than a bad deal. And, therefore, the choice the | :37:50. | :37:57. | |
House will get us a bad Deal or no deal. And, therefore, it is crucial | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
that when the House debates that and comes to a decision there is a | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
meaningful vote, a vote that can make a difference as opposed to | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
Hobson's choice made with a metaphorical gun at this House's | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
head. One last thing. I am grateful to be Right Honourable member will | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
for giving way but on that point if we are in a situation where the only | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
deal on the table is a bad deal does he agree with me that the | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
responsibility for that being an eventuality will lie with the Prime | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
Minister. It is not as if she can deny responsibility for that being a | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
problem. Yes I would, but finding out it was the Prime Minister's | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
responsibility will avail this country of very little, far better | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
to make sure via our votes that we get a realistic choice that can | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
actually make a difference. Finally, Mr Speaker, I come to the situation | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
in Scotland. Scotland has a 1000 year history as a European nation | :38:55. | :39:02. | |
Sir William Wallace's unjust trial in this hall, for which presumably | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
he will get a pardon at some point soon, after his greatest victory in | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
the Battle of Stirling Bridge, which was a kin to Leicester winning the | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
Premier League last season in terms of an upset surprise, his first act | :39:14. | :39:21. | |
was not to hold a ceilidh but to write the Hanseatic league to secure | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
Scotland's trading concessions across Europe at that time Liebig | :39:25. | :39:32. | |
and elsewhere. The importance of Scotland's European connections | :39:33. | :39:34. | |
stretches back a millennium and we're not going to allow this | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
non-vision act of madness from this House take Scotland out of these | :39:39. | :39:47. | |
connections. The Scottish Government have book for the proposition | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
Scotland's place in Europe, which offers the Prime Minister the way | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
for Scotland to stay within the Single Market place regardless of | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
what she wants to do to this country. The Prime Minister said | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
today if ritual as border in Ireland was quite possible under the | :40:03. | :40:04. | |
circumstances without realising that, of course, if it is possible | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
in Ireland it's possible in Scotland as well and I see the honourable | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
member nodding because in the early hours of this morning I think I saw | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
him say much the same thing in a debate, or perhaps it was one of his | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
honourable friends in Hartog, a sad case of watching hard talk at 1am. | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
-- hard talk. It was the honourable member for Esher and Walton. It is | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
important to understand these examples are taking place in Europe | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
at the present moment. The Prime Minister has it within her power and | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
capacity to agree to accept the proposals, the compromise proposals | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
of the Scottish Government and allow Scotland as a nation to retain that | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
trading place within the European context. But if that is not happen | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
and if the South says we are going to go ahead with hard Tory Brexit or | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
full English Brexit as we are calling it in Scotland now, we are | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
going to sweep aside the concerns from across this House in terms of | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
economic and political damage, we're not going to accept the proposals | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
from Scotland to follow the votes of people in the nation of Scotland and | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
retain our European connection, we're not interested in Scottish | :41:15. | :41:16. | |
jobs or investment and preserving that. If that is the criteria and | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
attitude of government, if that is what this Prime Minister wants to do | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
with Scotland, if she is determined to throw down the gauntlet then she | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
can be absolutely sure that Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister will pick | :41:32. | :41:41. | |
it up. SPEAKER: Order. Maiden speech, Doctor Caroline Johnson. | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. Lease. Max Clifford Abdennour Pike is not only | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
the constituency that am proud to represent, it is my home. And I feel | :41:55. | :42:02. | |
a personal responsibility to nurture it -- Sleaford and North high come. | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
It is a predominantly agricultural area with pockets of industry and a | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
strong military tradition. The town of North Hykeham is built on top of | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
the old Roman road, the Fosse Way. To the south is Sleaford where one | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
is welcome by the Handley monument, it is a large ornate stone structure | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
with a statue of Henry Hanley within it. Who was the MP for South | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
Lincolnshire from 1832 to 1841. He was such a popular MP that the | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
townspeople created this memorial in his honour. It is not clear now | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
whether he was so popular for his innovative ideas regarding science | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
and technology in farming, or whether it was because of his strong | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
opposition to the taxation of malt. Nevertheless, it is clear that I | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
have a lot to live up to. My predecessor was Stephen Phillips, | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
who like his own predecessor Douglas Hogg, is a silk. They brought great | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
intellect and legal acumen to this House. Stephen is particularly to be | :43:10. | :43:17. | |
commended for his work on the Public Accounts Committee. But possibly his | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
greatest virtue is his sense of timing. He resigned at exactly the | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
right time for me to be able to stand for this seat. | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
LAUGHTER I would like to thank Stephen for | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
his personal encouragement which he has given to me in this endeavour. I | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
would also like to thank the many members of this House who has given | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
me wonderful support, especially those for Newark, Sherwood, Boston | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
and Skegness, to whom I'm very grateful. In these challenging | :43:47. | :43:49. | |
times, Mr Speaker, I promise to uphold the fine traditions of the | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
House and serve my constituents to the best of my ability, ensuring | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
that their voices are heard as we move forward. As a new MP it is | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
right for me to explain briefly who I am. I am a mother of three, a | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
farmer's wife and a product of a loving family. I am a consultant | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
paediatrician and, therefore, have particular interests in the health, | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
education and general well-being of children. I am also a committed | :44:18. | :44:24. | |
Brexit tear. And I am also interested in farming, | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
infrastructure and defence. I am not a silk, nor even a lawyer but I have | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
firm principles based on what I believe to be morally right and the | :44:32. | :44:36. | |
ideal of democracy under the rule of law. I've spent all my working life | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
as a doctor in the NHS and care passionately about it. The NHS is | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
not perfect. In fact, I doubt any organisation as large and so | :44:49. | :44:50. | |
dependent on human judgment ever could be. However, whilst there are | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
areas which could be improved I feel many are too quick to decried the | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
falls within the NHS without adequately recognising the brilliant | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
work which is done day in and day out, helping more people than ever | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
before. I look forward to contributing my knowledge and | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
experience to help ensure that the NHS goes from strength to strength. | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
Improving the well-being of children remains a topic close to my heart. I | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
am delighted with the Government's commitment to young people's | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
mental-health. We must ensure that young people with mental health | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
issues have access to right treatment. However, as with physical | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
health we must also focus on prevention, and in my view they | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
should include improvements in children's social care and helping | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
to foster resilience. Resilience is very important. I feel we let down | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
children with the old must have prizes culture. Young people should | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
be allowed to understand their strengths and weaknesses by being | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
allowed to compete and take control risks, to win, and also to lose, and | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
learn from that experience which better prepares them for the | :46:02. | :46:04. | |
challenges they face in life ahead. It is a privilege to give my maiden | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
speech today in this historic debate. As someone new to the world | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
of Westminster the greatest surprise to me was so many seemed surprised | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
by the results of this referendum. I was brought up to believe that a | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
good democracy is ruled by the majority with protection for | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
minorities. As I talk to my constituents, however, I | :46:32. | :46:33. | |
increasingly understand that they perceive we have ruled by a vote | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
called minority of each disregarding the views of the majority and they | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
are angry. Why is this important? Well, because so many seem to have | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
been surprised by the Brexit vote because they failed to understand | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
the genuine concerns of the majority. This disconnect with the | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
electorate has been seen not just here but also in the results of the | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
US presidential election and in the rise of far right parties throughout | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
Europe. There can be no democracy without understanding of the views | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
of the majority. These views must be respected, heard, and responded to | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
by the members of this House. There has been much debate recently as to | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
whether the referendum was mandatory or advisory. And the relative | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
authorities of the Government, the legislature and the judiciary. As I | :47:24. | :47:30. | |
said earlier I'm not a lawyer. But I fail to understand how one can ask | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
the electorate a question and then even consider disregarding the | :47:35. | :47:35. | |
result. I believe that the referendum is an | :47:36. | :47:48. | |
instruction to us. We asked the people and they set 80 honourable | :47:49. | :48:06. | |
and right Honourable members want to contribute to in consequence of | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
which it is necessary with immediate effect to impose a time limit. I | :48:10. | :48:18. | |
would add I'm trying to ensure that everybody has a chance on who have | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
already had the opportunity. What was said to the house is that it | :48:24. | :48:37. | |
those word to refrain self restraint might increase, and I'm sure all | :48:38. | :48:51. | |
congratulating the new member on an excellent maiden speech and I'm sure | :48:52. | :49:03. | |
she will do if that was was anything to go by. We now have a challenge | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
for this whole house over what we do over the next two years and whether | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
that strengthens our democracy, or whether it weakens it. Over the last | :49:13. | :49:20. | |
40 years Britain has worked with the EU, but we have done so by sharing | :49:21. | :49:26. | |
sovereignty because one we went into the European Union, or the 1970s, we | :49:27. | :49:35. | |
also had public consent, popular consent expressed through a | :49:36. | :49:42. | |
referendum. Last summer and that should be a lesson to all of those | :49:43. | :49:54. | |
of us who wanted to keep honourable member for Tatton, but on whether we | :49:55. | :50:04. | |
should have done more. We could not make the and we took for granted too | :50:05. | :50:11. | |
many of the the need for politics to In Pontefract, the home of the very | :50:12. | :51:29. | |
first secret ballot, we still have the first ballot box and we see it | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
as a symbol of peaceful democracy of asking people to be part of that | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
democratic process. That democratic process does not end with the | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
Article 50 vote and that is my concern about the Government's | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
approach. That what they are trying to do is to concentrate power in the | :51:49. | :51:55. | |
hands of the executive, when in fact we should be involving all of | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
Parliament and involving the public in the debate about what kind of | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
country we want to be about where our future lies. There will be | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
issues we will disagree on where I feel strongly, for example, that we | :52:07. | :52:10. | |
should stay inside the customs union because that will help our | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
manufacturing for the future. On issues, for example, about the | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
rights for EU citizens who live here already who we should not be leaving | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
hanging in the lurch while we start negotiations when we could put them | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
on a surer footing straightaway. There will be issues about how we | :52:28. | :52:31. | |
balance so many different things, about how we get our security right, | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
that we need to debate here in this House. But at the moment the process | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
that the Government has set out does not give us the secure opportunities | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
to have votes, to have debates, to ensure that we will not be left at | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
the end of this process with what the Prime Minister has described as | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
her way to change the British economic model if we don't get what | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
we like, which sounds from this side of the House far more like a tax | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
haven Britain that would undermine people's writes and undermined the | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
kind of British values that we want to stand up for. And so, therefore, | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
I would urge members on all sides of the House, not just to look at the | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
array of amendments we have got, not just to decide how we respect the | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
referendum result last summer, how we respect the different views of | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
our constituents, and people will have strongly held views on all | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
sides, but also how we, all of us from all sides of the House, vote | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
for the kinds of amendments that will ensure that Parliamentary | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
sovereignty is strengthened and that Parliament has a say. I would urge | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
members on the opposite side to vote for some of those amendments to make | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
sure we have a real vote on the final outcome, that we have real | :53:44. | :53:46. | |
choices that we can make. So much of this has been about how we defend | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
democracy by voting for Article 50. It should not be about that, it | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
should be about how we strengthen democracy over the next two years. | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
If this was about Parliamentary sovereignty for all of us, let us | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
have the strength and the confidence to use it. Whittingdale. It is a | :54:03. | :54:10. | |
pleasure to follow the right honourable lady. I didn't agree with | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
with everything she said, but I agree with her congratulations to | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
the honourable member. She made an excellent first speech and it is | :54:24. | :54:26. | |
probably the case she will never speak in a more important debate in | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
this house, no matter that she I am sure will have a long career here | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
ahead of her. My first political act was to take part in the referendum | :54:37. | :54:43. | |
campaign in 1975. I put leaflets through doors, calling on people to | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
vote yes in that referendum. I did so because I believed in free trade | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
and because I believed the assurances which were written on | :54:52. | :54:54. | |
those leaflets that the decision taken would not affect the | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
sovereignty of the UK Parliament. I was working for Margaret Thatcher | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
when she first delivered the Bruges speech which highlighted the fact | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
that that assurance was being steadily eroded and that the | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
European Community was heading in the wrong direction and as a result | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
of that when I entered this house I oppose the Maastricht Treaty as well | :55:15. | :55:21. | |
as other treaties because it was becoming steadily clearer that was | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
there may or may not have been economic benefits from our | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
membership, this was a political project heading in one direction and | :55:31. | :55:33. | |
that was towards the ever closer union. It was a project on which | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
British people had not been consulted and which they did not | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
support. I hope the Prime Minister David Cameron would have been able | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
to negotiate an arrangement which allowed us to opt out from the | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
elements we didn't want. He valiantly tried, but what he came | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
back within my view was not sufficient and left us with no | :55:54. | :56:04. | |
alternative. The result of the referendum was clear. In my own | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
constituency was nearly two to one. It doesn't matter that the majority | :56:10. | :56:17. | |
of younger people voted to remain, or people with degrees voted to | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
remain in some parts of the UK voted to remain. This was a nationwide | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
referendum and the British people spoke. I agree with Prime Minister | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
that we have no alternative but to be the single market as it is | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
essential that we have control over our borders once what we are no | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
longer subject to European law. I really am sorry, but it is very | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
brief. I also believe that we had to leave the customs union if the | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
condition that remaining in it is that we are not able to negotiate | :56:50. | :56:59. | |
our own trade agreements. I will point out that the new arrangements | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
between the European Union and Canada and between the European | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
Union and Ukraine offered no application of European law in those | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
countries, no free movement, but does give them access to the | :57:12. | :57:15. | |
internal market and allows them to negotiate their own trade agreement. | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
So the European Union is ultimately flexible and it is perfectly | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
possible the negotiations will be complicated. I'm concerned in the | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
areas I follow, for instance, we must have recognition of the | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
adequacy of our data protection soap data can continue to flow across | :57:34. | :57:39. | |
borders. I do believe that for European businesses it is vitally | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
important for them that they still have access to our markets and | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
therefore they will be putting pressure on their governments to | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
reach a sensible deal. The one thing I found most astonishing is when | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
Britain voted as it did to leave the European Union, the reaction of | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
other member states seems to be more to punish Britain than to ask the | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
question why. The European Union is a flawed... Geoffrey Robinson. Thank | :58:06. | :58:19. | |
you, Mr Speaker, I will be brief. We've had remarkable contributions, | :58:20. | :58:21. | |
there are two particular from yesterday I want to refer to fund | :58:22. | :58:27. | |
the former Deputy Prime Minister and the right honourable gentleman the | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
member for Rushcliffe. He has just left the Chamber and is not here to | :58:31. | :58:42. | |
hear my remarks. I will be voting to night and we should examine our | :58:43. | :58:51. | |
consciences. I voted for, argued for every menfolk. We lost it and we | :58:52. | :58:56. | |
have to face the consequences of it in a way that both the former Deputy | :58:57. | :59:02. | |
Prime Minister and the right honourable gentleman the member for | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
Rushcliffe feel we should not. We should examine our consciences and | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
the member for Doncaster nor said it is a conscience issue and to some | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
extent I regret we are voting on this on a three line whip. It is a | :59:15. | :59:19. | |
moral conscience issue we all have to take. I have more difficulty in | :59:20. | :59:25. | |
justifying my conscience if I were tonight to vote against the bill and | :59:26. | :59:32. | |
in favour if effectively delaying a frustrating the beginning of | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
negotiations the outcome. The whole process of coming out of the | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
European Union. You only have to reread what the referendum question | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
was. It is so simple. Should the United Kingdom remain a member of | :59:45. | :59:49. | |
the European union or leave the European Union. There are no ifs or | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
buts, is a simple question that was understood by everyone who took part | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
in that referendum. It is no good now turning round saying, we should | :59:59. | :00:04. | |
have a second referendum and all those things. I campaigned widely, | :00:05. | :00:10. | |
but only in the West Midlands, strongly on a remain ticket. I went | :00:11. | :00:22. | |
out of my way to warn the Leavers what would happen. There will be no | :00:23. | :00:33. | |
further bout of the cherry if we did not like the outcome. It's a matter | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
of conscience if we are on the remain site and we built on the | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
remain issue that we should act of conscience vote against the bill. On | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
the contrary I don't believe there is conceivable material than ever | :00:47. | :00:53. | |
doing so. To do so would betray the bases on which we conduct ourselves. | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
All members actively taking part in the referendum spoke. So how can | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
this house be involved in all influence the negotiations? In my | :01:07. | :01:15. | |
experience, it is unreal. We have to get real about it. The issues will | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
become clearer, choices will become clearer once we are in the | :01:21. | :01:30. | |
negotiations. The former Chancellor brings great advice and says perhaps | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
economics should be a big issue of the negotiations. The outcome on the | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
economic front is the essence of what this is about as far as the | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
working people in this country are concerned. My advice is soft Brexit | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
and a transition period. Anything else will predict a future which | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
will be really harsh and uncomfortable for the working people | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
of this country. As I said yesterday, perhaps I can be forgiven | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
for repeating it today. It will be appreciated if people stopped coming | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
up to the chair, either asking when they will be called orderings are | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
implicitly by enquiring whether it is OK for them to go to lunch, go to | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
the toilet or it a biscuit. It is not necessary. All I will say is | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
patience. Please be patient. I want to accommodate everyone, I am on | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
your side, but it doesn't help if people keep coming up to the chair, | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
especially when people are I understand we have to accept the | :02:37. | :02:49. | |
outcome of democratic elections however narrow the outcome. I have | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
to admit I was surprised by the leave result in the West Midlands | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
given the region is in substantial trade surplus with the EU. Of course | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
I'm delighted that the automotive industry has achieved so much | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
success that it exports 82% of all of its cars and most of those to the | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
other 27 countries of the EU. But it was immigration which dominated the | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
conversations I had, even standing outside the gates of the car | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
factory. No distinction was made between EU and non-EU migration | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
which we now account for about 50% each. I worry that our electors | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
expect taking back control to mean very few migrants arrive here. | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
Whereas, how his three as an empire means there are family obligations | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
to non-EU migrants and an absolute obligation through the Geneva and | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
Hague conventions to provide safe haven for the most vulnerable | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
people, many from different countries from which we drew the | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
lines on a map. I heard mixed motors for voting leave, some | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
second-generation migrants told me they didn't want more coming in. -- | :03:56. | :04:02. | |
motives. There will be uncharted waters negotiating things that will | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
be vital for success, access to our principal market is key and the car | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
industry is desperately short of engineers as its success would be | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
choked if we can't get the skilled labour it needs. If we are honest | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
migrants are more willing to do some jobs such as picking fruit and | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
vegetables. A spring onion producer told me he can't rely on local | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
labour to get the harvest in. So he must make sure horticulture is not | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
destroyed by taking back control without being able to meet demand | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
for labour. These aren't easy things to say in public but we are about to | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
make a momentous decision and as the Prime Minister says we've got to | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
make success of it. That in turn will only be achieved if we are | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
honest about some of the problems we face. I am no starry eyed Europhile. | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
The political leadership in Europe failed to inspire its citizens about | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
the benefits of working together and other countries are seeing the rise | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
of the extreme right parties who promised to solve their problems. | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
This goes wider than Europe and the leadership of the rich nations | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
around the world are struggling to find the answers to globalisation. | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
In America Obama tried to extend health care to the poorest and here | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
we have the introduction of the Living Wage. But maybe it is to | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
places like Scandinavia we need to look for better models of wage | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
equality and fairness in society. These are the big question is left | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
when we exit the European Union and we will need to answer them in our | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
own way. I expect the EU will change after we are gone because it must | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
collectively try to find answers to the big questions of globalisation, | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
mass migration and robotics. But in contrast to the US with decided to | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
turn outward, not inward, partly because we have teeth, and because | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
our heritage is one of trade and exploration. -- have two. I hope the | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
electorate will be patient but they will judge our efforts by their | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
experience, not on our rhetoric. I hope that all that is great about | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
Britain is not sacrificed in pursuit of an unrealistic ambition to go | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
back to some mythical time when we were in control of all we surveyed. | :06:06. | :06:14. | |
SPEAKER: Tim Farron. Mr Speaker, she is not in her place now but I want | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
to pay tribute to an excellent maiden speech by the Honourable | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
member for Sleaford and North Hykeham. The Liberal Democrats have | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
always been proud internationalists, it was the Liberals who backed | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
Winston Churchill's European vision in the 1950s, even when his own | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
party did not do so. Since our foundation we have been champions of | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
Britain Buzz in the European Union for cooperation and openness with | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
our neighbours and with our allies. We have always believed the charges | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
Briton faces in the 21st-century, climate change, terrorism, economic | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
instability are best tackled working together as a member of the European | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
Union. Been proud Europeans is part of our identity as a party and | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
actually part of my personal identity too. I was utterly gutted | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
by the result personally. Some on the centre-left are squeamish about | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
patriotism, I am not, I am proud of my identity as a northerner, English | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
man, Brit and a European, all of those things are consistent. My | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
identity did not change on the 24th of June and neither did my values, | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
beliefs and what I believe is right for this country and for future | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
generations. I respect the outcome of the referendum. The vote was | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
clear, close but clear, and I accept it. But voting for departure is not | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
the same as voting for a destination. Will you give way? A | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
narrow majority voted to leave the EU but the Leave campaign had no | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
plans, no instructions, no prospectus and no vision. No one in | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
this government, no one in this House, no one in this country has | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
any idea what the deal the Prime Minister will negotiate with Europe | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
will be. It is completely unknown. How, then, can anyone pretend that | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
this undiscussed, unwritten, a negotiated deal in anyway has the | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
backing of the British people? The deal must be put to the British | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
people for them to have their say. That is the only way to hold the | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
government to account for the monumental decisions they will have | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
to take over the next two years. Will you give way? | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
I thank the Honourable member for giving way. Does he not think his | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
party is partly responsible for the outcome of referendum because | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
immigration became a proxy for issues like the pressure on the NHS | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
and inability to see a doctor, the inability to get into the right | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
class sizes because of the policies his party supported, the squeeze | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
public services and met people looked for somebody else to blame. | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
I'm staggered the honourable gentleman is speaking the language | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
of Nigel Farage, what a terrible disgrace. How dare you!? The deal | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
must be put to the British people for them to have their say. That is | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
the only way. The only way to hold the Government to account, for the | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
monumental decisions they will have monumental decisions they will have | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
to take over the next two years, to ensure that the cause they choose | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
serves the interest of all the people, however they voted. So here | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
is... I will not take any more interventions, other people need to | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
get in. Here is the likelihood we will have 48% of people not liking | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
the outcome of the deal and half of the 52% will feel they were betrayed | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
by the outcome of the deal. The only way to achieve democracy and closure | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
is for there to be a vote at the end. Because, the fact is the Prime | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
Minister is the one making the strongest case for giving people a | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
vote on the deal. She had the choice to pursue a form of Brexit that | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
united our country, that reflected the closeness of the vote and sought | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
to heal the divisions between Leave and Remain but instead she chose to | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
follow the hardest most divisive form of Brexit tearing us out of the | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
Single Market, leaving us isolated against the might of world | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
superpowers. Never mind six months ago she herself argued the case for | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
remaining in the EU, never mind the numerous campaigners who championed | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
in Norway and Swiss models and spent the referendum campaign assuring | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
voters we would not leave the Single Market. Never mind the 40% of | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
people, 16 million British people, wanted to stay in the EU. Never mind | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
that Britain Buzz and people who have more of a stake in our country | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
than most of us here voted three to one to remain. The Prime Minister | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
has made her choice. Fine, she has chosen hard Brexit -- Britain's | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
young people. But if you so confident what she is planning is | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
what people voted for she must give them a vote on a final deal. What | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
started with democracy must not end up with a government stitch up. When | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
all is said and done the decision on whether the deal the Prime Minister | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
negotiates is good enough will be decided by someone. Someone will | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
make that decision. Should it be the Prime Minister? Should it be those | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
privileged to be here, or should it be the British people who have to | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
live with that decision? I say it should be put to the people in a | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
referendum. That is why the Liberal Democrats are fighting for the | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
British people to have the final vote on a deal this government | :11:09. | :11:15. | |
negotiates. Give way! Democracy... Democracy... Democracy means | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
accepting the will of the people. At the beginning of the process and at | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
the end of the process. Democracy means respecting the majority and | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
democracy means not giving up your beliefs when the going gets tough. | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, always a pleasure to follow the | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
honourable gentleman, he speaks with passion always but I can't put it | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
squarely on the table I will never vote for another referendum while I | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
am in this House given what we experienced last year. I agree with | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
those who have said this is a conscience vote, we asked the people | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
what they want to do, they said leave and as far as I'm concerned | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
that settled the matter and I will of course vote for the Bill this | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
evening. I want to make three quick points, Mr Speaker. The first is | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
that I believe the Prime Minister deserves personal credit for her | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
leadership on Brexit since she emerged last July. Cast our minds | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
back to the extraordinary events of last summer, we were shell-shocked | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
not knowing where the public vote would take us. Brexit means Brexit, | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
she said, and we are going to make a success of it, that phrase much | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
mocked in some quarters, gave a sufficient sense of direction to | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
steady the ship. It became apparent by January that we then needed a | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
more detailed plan and that just the right time the Prime Minister gave | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
her Lancaster house speech. It set out a clear, coherent and credible | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
plan for the way forward. It was one of the most significant speeches | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
I've heard in my 25 years in this House, it was a game changer for me | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
and for many people. The plan is ambitious and not without risk, and | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
in particular we will be leaving the Single Market, turning our backs on | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
free movement but seeking to negotiate a free trade agreement. | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
That is a high-risk strategy. But I recognise that to remain in the | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
Single Market would not properly reflect the desire of the majority | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
who voted to leave to control immigration. It is, however, vital | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
that in putting in place a bespoke free-trade agreement that is | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
successfully completed as part of the overall deal. The one fear that | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
companies in my constituency have is not so much tariffs, bad though they | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
might be, but it is nontariff barriers which can play havoc with | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
sensible trading arrangements that must be avoided if at all possible. | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
Now, one part of the Lancaster House speech has received insufficient | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
attention. The reference to transitional arrangements. I know | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
that there are some, and some in this chamber, or think this can all | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
be done in the blinking of an eye but it is complex, it will take | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
years and we have to exercise patience. Once we studied at | :13:53. | :13:54. | |
negotiations we should start to consider which parts we want to keep | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
and which we want to ditch, we are probably looking at a 10-year | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
project, Mr Speaker. We might well leave the EU in 2019 but we should | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
prepare ourselves substantial transitional arrangements and hope | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
that after for a positive working relationship. My second point, we | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
should now be brutally honest with the British people about the likely | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
short-term impact of Brexit. Not in an alarmist way but simply making | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
the point that because of uncertainty, because we have now | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
made clear that we will not be in the Single Market, there is likely | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
to be an impact on government spending for the next few years. We | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
know that tax receipts have fallen against forecasts since June and | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
that trend may well continue. It may well be that there will be long-term | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
gains of Brexit. I certainly hope so and we must strive for that end. But | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
there will most likely be short-term pain, especially now the phoney war | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
is coming to an end. International companies will weigh the certain | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
knowledge that we are leaving the Single Market against the hope of a | :15:00. | :15:01. | |
free-trade agreement and some of them have crunched back of volition | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
and will decide to invest or expand elsewhere. Some financial | :15:07. | :15:08. | |
institutions are already getting itchy feet. So there might be not as | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
much money available for the NHS and social care and schools as we would | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
like to see over the next 2-5 years and we should prepare the British | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
people for that fact. My final point very briefly is that living in these | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
very turbulent times when all kinds of issues are going on in our world | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
I would encourage the front bench, the negotiators, we have got a clear | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
plan but don't be slavish to it, let's be flexible and wise. It is | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
with great pleasure that I rise to speak in this debate on this | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
historic day for Parliament and for this country. None of us who believe | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
in withdrawal from the European Union believed we would ever see an | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
order paper in this House containing the words European Union | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
Notification of Withdrawal Bill Second Reading, and I think it is a | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
very historic landmark occasion. It is about incrementing a decision | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
which this Parliament decided to hand over to the people. It would be | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
utterly wrong, therefore, to reject what the people of the United | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
Kingdom have decided in a national vote. I utterly respect those who | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
have spoken. We campaigned hard, enthusiastically and vigorously to | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
Remain. But we are saying we must respect the will of the people since | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
Parliament handed that decision over to the people. I have little time | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
for those who argue that we should now engage in procedural games, that | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
we should engage in means of supporting the will of the people. I | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
think it's dishonest, I think it's undemocratic. I have to agree with | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
what the leader of the Liberal Democrats just said about believing | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
in democracy and listening to the will of the people, let's get on and | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
implement what the people have said. And let us not engage in efforts to | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
thwart what they have said. This was a national vote across the United | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
Kingdom. Everybody's vote was equal. I want to address the issues that | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
affect Northern Ireland particularly because it has been said that | :17:01. | :17:09. | |
Northern Ireland voted to remain by 56-44, and therefore Northern | :17:10. | :17:11. | |
Ireland should not be part of those withdrawal from the EU or should | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
have special status. I could think of nothing that would be more | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
calculator to undermine the union between Northern Ireland and the | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
rest of the United Kingdom than for Northern Ireland to be able to | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
thwart the will of the people of the United Kingdom as a whole. That | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
would be deeply anti-unionist position to take. I think it is | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
right and proper that we respect the special needs of Northern Ireland. | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
They argue vigorously with government, they are engaged with | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
this House through ministers back home, and that is why I deplore the | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
fact that at this crucial juncture we have had the bringing down of our | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
locally devolved assembly and executive needlessly, and the people | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
who brought it down the very people who are now making speeches saying | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
Brexit undermines the Good Agreement. Thankfully the Secretary | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
of State for Northern Ireland has completely demolished that argument | :18:03. | :18:04. | |
ad made it clear there is nothing in the Good Friday Agreement, the Saint | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
Andrew agreement, or any of the agreements made that in any way is | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
impaired or imperilled by the sit, the decision to leave the European | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
Union. For those complaining the hardest about Northern Ireland they | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
have denied themselves a voice by not coming to the House to take the | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
seats and engage with ministers and have now dropped down out of the | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
elected government in Northern Ireland and don't have input that | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
way either. The reality is that of course this presents challenges for | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
Northern Ireland, but the fact is that when we remained in sterling | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
and the Irish Republic joined the euro along with other European | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
partner nations and states, we were told that this would hear massively | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
detrimental act, that this would cause all sorts of major problems on | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
the island of Ireland, this would lead to all sorts of disruption, | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
economic and political. Nunavut happened. People adapted. People | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
were told we would have to change currency at the border. There is a | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
different currency in Northern Ireland from the Irish Republic but | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
trade continues, trade is flourishing, the economy has gone on | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
and done extremely well. None of the dire predictions of those who | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
predicted terrible consequences came to pass. I am confident that in | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
relation to this issue as well that we will see a better future for the | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
United Kingdom and for Northern Ireland. I welcome very much the | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
Prime Minister's commitment to maintaining the Common Travel Area, | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
I reject the idea of a special status for Northern Ireland. I am | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
glad the Taoiseach also rejects it because it is code for separating | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
Northern Ireland from the rest of the U United Kingdom and undermining | :19:40. | :19:40. | |
both. This is the moment we begin to take | :19:41. | :19:51. | |
back control of our laws, our borders and our money. Once again we | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
be come a sovereign state in charge of our own destiny and I am | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
delighted about that. I was brought up in post-war Germany. I campaigned | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
to leave in the 1975 referendum and along with 45 others, I voted | :20:10. | :20:21. | |
against a single European act in 19 76. I have form. I am the last | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
remaining member of that band. So although Margaret Thatcher pushed | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
that Bill, I have no doubt if she was whether today, her response to | :20:30. | :20:41. | |
that bill would BB Joyce. -- Joyce. I salute also David Cameron for | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
honouring the commitments he gave the British people that he would | :20:47. | :20:48. | |
give them a referendum on the membership of the EU. Many said he | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
would renege on that, he kept his word. That referendum was not | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
advisory. It was an instruction to withdraw from the European Union. | :20:58. | :21:06. | |
This bill simply authorises an notice to leave. They are the same | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
people who for four decades have been complicit in the relentless | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
campaign to transfer power from this Parliament to Brussels. Does my | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
honourable friend not agree having asked the people to give us their | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
voice, we now need to respect that voice and get on with it? Absolutely | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
and I think there is an overwhelming view not only in this House but | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
across the country for that proposition. And number of speeches | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
during this debate, principally yesterday, have rerun the referendum | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
arguments. The government spent ?9 million of money on a brochure | :21:50. | :21:56. | |
riddled with inaccuracies and and amounted an extraordinary and | :21:57. | :22:05. | |
counter if fear campaign warning of desire # dire consequences if we | :22:06. | :22:07. | |
leave, none of which have come to Baz. My right honourable friend, | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
predicted profound economic shock across the country. A DIY recession, | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
nine of which happen. The economy has grown by 0.6%. Major companies | :22:18. | :22:29. | |
like Google, Nordisk and Nissan have announced significant investment in | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
the United Kingdom. Some have argued that the public was not told that | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
leave vote would require us to leave the single market. But recovering | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
control of our borders and restoring to this Parliament the | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
responsibility for the laws of the silence, a return of sovereignty, | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
was at the heart of the debate. Membership of the single market is | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
completely compatible with those objectives as Mike honourable friend | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
said yesterday, if people knew what they were voting for and it is | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
patronising to suggest otherwise. Some suggest that the validity of | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
referendum of over 23 million people voted is in doubt. It never troubled | :23:10. | :23:17. | |
in when Tory Blair secured a majority. We are leaving and they | :23:18. | :23:29. | |
will be no second referendum. Mr Speaker, we undoubtedly face | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
challenges ahead. But don't let's kid ourselves there would have been | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
major challenges if the United Kingdom had voted to remain. And | :23:39. | :23:45. | |
there are 70 billion reasons why our EU partners will want to reach a | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
mutually beneficial trade deal with us because they have a ?70 billion | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
surplus with us. I hope this country who are in large part or their | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
liberation from the Soviet Union to the Conservative Government of | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
Margaret Thatcher will respect our decision and help us forge a new | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
constructive relationship and I hope the same will apply to those whom we | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
helped rebuild after the Second World War. And free from the EU | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
customs union we will be able to embrace the world, negotiate trade | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
deals with the Commonwealth friends, encouraging fraid tear -- fair trade | :24:19. | :24:26. | |
deals. It will be hard graft. The US may be our closest ally but | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
commercially they'll be no pushover. The EU is determined to create a EU | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
defence policy. It poses a direct threat to European security, Nato, | :24:41. | :24:53. | |
and risks... I have been a member of this House for almost seven years | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
and rarely have I spoken on a bill of such great importance, not just | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
to the country in Scotland, but to my own constituents. It is a great | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
pleasure to follow the honourable gentleman from Aldershot. It is | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
right that we are able in this House to express those views on the Avenue | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
of constituents and the country. If that what taking back control is | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
about, let's talk about that democratic process, because we're | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
only here today and we were only here yesterday because the public in | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
this country were able to take this government to court to express their | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
railroading a decision in this railroading a decision in this | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
without the taking back the promised without the taking back the | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
to this Parliament. And we should to this Parliament. And we should | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
pay tribute to them that we are here able to make these arguments on the | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
half of our constituents. I campaigned vigorously for a remain | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
thought like many members and honourable members on this chip. | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
Someone who campaigned me -- save me was one of my party members, Gordon | :25:58. | :26:08. | |
die L. If I can pay tribute to Tam. Our thoughts are with the family. | :26:09. | :26:17. | |
The reason why I campaigned so further assist the Risley for the UK | :26:18. | :26:20. | |
to remain a member of the European Union is because it is an our | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
national interest to do so. I was tramping around the streets of my | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
constituency and 2010 and 2015, I was not promising my constituents | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
that I was elected to this House, I would do everything I can to make | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
their lives poorer. The new Chancellor of the Exchequer has said | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
on the record that nobody votes to make themselves poorer. So it is | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
incumbent on everyone on the size throughout this process, not just a | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
railroad this bill is that this does not matter. But to fight for every | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
single amendment on this mill, to make sure this House sends a strong | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
message, both to the Parliament and European members, that we will get | :27:02. | :27:03. | |
the best deal for our constituents. I will not give way because of the | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
timescales and other people wishing to speak. At the end of that process | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
in terms of the EU referendum, 78% of my constituents will tattoo the | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
mean. Many arguments across the chamber in the last day or so has | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
spoken about not respecting the will of the people, not retrospective the | :27:26. | :27:27. | |
democratic will of the people. As far as I am concerned, we are | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
representatives of constituents. None of these decisions in this | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
House are taking easily. It is whether heavy heart I will vote for | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
the triggering of Article 50 this evening. I will do so knowing that I | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
will be to look at my constituents in the eye and say to them I have | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
done everything I can possibly do to protect their jobs, to protect their | :27:53. | :27:54. | |
livelihoods and to protect the future further family. But when this | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
bill goes through as we know the bill will do, it will go through | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
after the third reading, I will work enthusiastically to make sure we can | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
get amendments to this bill and we can hold this government to account. | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
Because Brexit might mean Brexit, Mr Speaker. But to my constituents and | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
many across the country, Brexit does not mean Tony Brexit. The rhetoric | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
we have been getting from this government is wrong and I do not | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
think why they are fighting the people to stop this government | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
having a say. I do not know why they are reaching out across this chamber | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
to get a common voice to make sure that Britain can get the possible | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
deal from our European partners. I will vote no against triggering | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
Article 50. I will spend the rest of the time in this chamber fighting | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
for my constituent's lives. For speaking in a vote that I never | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
wanted to happen and vote I never wanted to cast. This summer I will | :28:57. | :29:04. | |
have been politicians are 30 years. I think this referendum had become | :29:05. | :29:11. | |
inevitable to. I supported David Cameron, I may have been wrong. I am | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
in a different place. I voted for the referendum Bill believing the | :29:18. | :29:27. | |
result would count. I argued to remain, saying we would honour the | :29:28. | :29:35. | |
result of the referendum. If I was required as an MP to vote on the | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
matter, we are and which I will. I am not giving up fighting. I want to | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
see the very best for my constituents out in the new | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
arrangements. That is why I stood for the Brexit select committee. | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
While I work with others with the work that has then landed on this to | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
get the best of it. I do not think it provides the best of opportunity | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
for negotiation. The government needs an open hand. 12 amendments | :30:01. | :30:08. | |
might help the government to retain Parliamentary support. I will fight | :30:09. | :30:10. | |
for a negotiated settlement, watching for any sign that no deal | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
is moving up the agenda. I want the government to be as open as possible | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
to as many options as possible. The degree of detail to be covered is | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
staggering, both for us and our partners and new consequences are | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
being uncovered every day. It is way more complicated than some of | :30:30. | :30:31. | |
conflict -- league's wanted to believe. All the consequences will | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
not be beneficial. There is one fight I want to see an end of an | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
which I'm calling time. I do not believe there is any realistic | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
prospect of the UK remaining in rejoining the EU not in my lifetime | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
in the House. I should place my support on a different footing on | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
which recognises the reality of what we have done. I am going to work for | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
the future prosperity of the EU, for a partnership relationship with it, | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
for all the things we need to do together from that new position. I | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
will defend it against those wanting to wish it further harm, those who | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
believe further separation of the EU is worth it. I have decided I am not | :31:13. | :31:22. | |
going to fight for the UK at present to find a quick way back into the | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
EU. Let me be clear, I believe the decision of those who voted out was | :31:28. | :31:35. | |
wrong. I am reconciled to Brexit. I am not yet persuaded of the wisdom | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
of the decision. However spending the next few years reversing the | :31:41. | :31:48. | |
decision does not seem to be in the UK's and trust. I do not want an | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
already divided country to be more so. The national debate has become | :31:52. | :32:00. | |
sad and dispirited. As a confirmed remain and supporter of the EU, I do | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
not want the next generation of Conservative MPs to have the blight | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
of this argument dogging them, their associations, their members and | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
voters in the same way as it has dogged us. It has soured friendships | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
and damaged relationships and I swore at a meet in the tearoom. And | :32:17. | :32:23. | |
I am sorry. Instead, I want to work towards a new partnership with the | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
EU which. To command every tracing support. We should aim higher than | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
minimum support. We should look towards the vast mid-jaunty looking | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
to support such a relationship. It is time to be proud to be British | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
without hating the EU. I hope it helps if some of us who lost today | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
to take that of opportunity to create something better out of what | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
is happening. Whether heavy heart that the relationship I am looking | :32:54. | :32:55. | |
for. Thank you. A lot has focused on | :32:56. | :33:05. | |
process and procedure. I made a simple promise in 2015 that I would | :33:06. | :33:11. | |
never support anything here that would damage them and their lives | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
and children and I stand by that. I made that promise precisely because | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
I followed the Liberal Democrat who backed Tory measures like the | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
bedroom tax, which damaged my community, so I make that promise | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
and stand by and hear from people day in and day out about the damage | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
since the referendum, like the universities in my constituency who | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
are worried about research funding from the European Union, worried | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
about Erasmus, worried about a drop in international student numbers | :33:44. | :33:46. | |
which could mean higher fees for British students, that was not in | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
the referendum. I hear from many medical professionals worried about | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
recruitment. An NHS that is not getting ?350 million a week but is | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
struggling. They are worried about future recruitment. I hear from the | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
financial sector. I hear from them 7000 jobs already gone, nobody voted | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
to lose their job. I hear from importers, food importers who have | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
seen costs rise since the referendum, costs that are being | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
passed onto and customers. People did not vote for a higher cost for a | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
dinner out and I hear from hotels. While tourism has gone up there are | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
many non-E -- non-EU nationals employed and are simply not enough | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
unemployed Londoners to fill those jobs should really. I also hear from | :34:40. | :34:46. | |
exporters who worry about future costs of things like having to print | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
different labels for beer bottles going into the EU market. I hear | :34:50. | :34:56. | |
from people who are very worried about their future economic | :34:57. | :34:58. | |
prospects, Young Conservatives support of the Conservative Party | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
who are now politically homeless. The former Prime Minister John Major | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
refer to the likes of them as bustards. He could not have known | :35:10. | :35:18. | |
that has party would become a whole government who are causing problems | :35:19. | :35:20. | |
for my constituency and for the whole country. And that the risk of | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
offending my wand frontbenchers as well as the government front bench, | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
I see this. My members campaigned vigorously to remain in the European | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
Union and they deserve a front bench position that is not to sign up to | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
the government's position and timetable. It is a disgrace. There | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
is no need for the point of order. Can I say to the honourable member | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
that he shouldn't have used the word he used, he tried to wrap it up in a | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
quote but it was unseemly and undignified and he shouldn't have | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
done it and he should apologise. While I share the sentiment I | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
apologise if it is unparliamentary. He shouldn't do it again, has he | :36:05. | :36:13. | |
finished? Thank you. Although he is not on the bench as I want to pay | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
tribute to the wonderful speech from the late honourable member and my | :36:17. | :36:23. | |
neighbour for Rushcliffe, because he shows us how it is all done. This is | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
a short spell with huge ramifications for all of us for | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
years to come. I campaigned like others on this site for remain but I | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
accept the Democratic vote and we should accept the notice to be | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
triggered. I agree with those that if we do not do that a crisis in our | :36:41. | :36:50. | |
democracy would help no one. The Secretary of State talked about the | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
outcome he wanted as being to agree a stronger, more united and more | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
outward looking country. I agree with him. Negotiations must lead to | :36:59. | :37:07. | |
that outcome and parliament must, as other colleagues have said, be | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
involved, not just at the start of this process but throughout and | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
particularly at the end. The manner of that vote at the end is | :37:17. | :37:25. | |
important. I hope that we will be able to add to the Prime Minister's | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
what's on this weather in the closing speech tonight in the course | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
of the committee stage next week. I want to welcome the White Paper | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
publication particularly the announcement that it will be | :37:39. | :37:40. | |
published tomorrow. That is also very welcome. I have been clear that | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
this bill in the White Paper which will set out the Prime Minister's 12 | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
colours are separate and should be considered as such. For me, the | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
tests leading to a successful new relationship with the European Union | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
are threefold. Firstly, leaving must not undermine the economy. It must | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
not unduly affect the jobs and household finances and financial | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
security of our constituents. I hope we will get a chance to debate that | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
is part of the debates on the White Paper. Secondly. Leading must not | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
undermine our Constitution. That was tested in the courts and I welcome | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
the decision of the High Court which is upheld by the Supreme Court. | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
Finally, it must not undermine our values as a country. The honourable | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
member for Tottenham spoke very powerfully about values as have | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
others on both sides of the House in the course of yesterday and today. | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
In terms of values and upholding them, it is up to us as members of | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
this house and to government and to ministers. I have to be honest, | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
never in my adult life have I felt so concerned about the stability and | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
state of the world in which we live. I have to say that with the Brexit | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
foot we have added an extra layer of uncertainty to our world. But I want | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
to take the Secretary of State, what he said yesterday, at his word. This | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
is the beginning which means that this is not, to paraphrase a great | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
former Prime Minister who believed in a united Europe, the beginning of | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
the end, but this bill may be the end of the beginning of this Brexit | :39:25. | :39:25. | |
process. It is indeed the case that I didn't | :39:26. | :39:44. | |
intend to speak yesterday but as I listened to yesterday's speeches it | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
occurred to me clearly that the House of Commons has taken leave of | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
its senses and this happens at times. The danger is that the public | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
trust the House of Commons at moments like this, it be House of | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
Commons at a rat when it had left -- taken leave of its senses and during | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
the introduction of the poll tax. Iraq currently still lies in ruins | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
and it is at a time when the opposition unites with the | :40:10. | :40:11. | |
government that it has particularly taken leave of its senses. I | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
listened carefully to the honourable member, not in his place, a man who | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
gambled with skier stories on the EU and in Scotland. In Scotland he won | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
and the EU we lost but are we feeling Lucky? The deal is not in | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
the guest of the UK Government. It is in the gift of 38 regional | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
parliaments across Europe, and only EU Parliament. We have one in 67 | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
voices and we have to get that into our heads because the Prime Minister | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
has said that no deal is better than a bad deal, but no deal means | :40:46. | :40:55. | |
farmers, fish will be particularly affected, 12% tariffs, and people | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
assume the House of Commons knows what it is doing but it doesn't, it | :41:02. | :41:04. | |
is crossing its fingers and hoping for the best. Perhaps they knew what | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
they were voting for but they certainly didn't know the | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
destination and this house doesn't know the destination. The committee | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
I am cheered off doesn't know the destination, the Department for | :41:19. | :41:20. | |
trade doesn't know the Prime Minister know. The pretence that | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
because people voted to leave the EU that they knew the destination is | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
beyond facile. Manchester Airport group, the CBI, the Society of motor | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
Manufacturers, the British Chamber of Commerce, the Law Society, they | :41:39. | :41:44. | |
do not know what the destination is for the UK. The UK is currently on a | :41:45. | :41:53. | |
precipice. I will give way. He is speaking as this is a great | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
perception. Has he ever come across a negotiation between two parties | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
where it was possible to predict in advance outcome? Precisely! I am | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
grateful to him for that. He might be able to tell me, how many states | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
of the native nations are not currently in a regional trade | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
agreement. Anybody? You know. This gentleman knows and was unlike | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
committee. There are only six members of the United Nations not in | :42:22. | :42:29. | |
a regional trade agreements. Mauritania, Somalia, South Sudan, | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
East Timor, and soon to join this illustrious group, the United | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
Kingdom! Cross your fingers and hope that works out for the best. The UK | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
will find itself the first time since 1960 not in a free trade | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
agreement. Joined Nafta in 1960 and has been there since. From the House | :42:50. | :42:56. | |
of Commons library, every member of the OCD is in a regional trade | :42:57. | :42:58. | |
agreement and even North Korea signed up to one in 1988. The UK is | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
boldly going where even North Korea feels to go. And if that is not | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
giving members pause for thought, what well? The head over the edge of | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
the cliff as they take their constituents and the poorest in | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
society with them. Who paid for the bankers? The poorest. They will be | :43:20. | :43:27. | |
paying for Brexit. It is crossing our fingers and is not the best deal | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
for the UK and remember the best deal for the UK is after smashing up | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
the Rolls-Royce, what we have with Europe now. Now we will head down to | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
the second-hand car dealer and ask him for the best motor they have | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
because we have thrown the Rolls-Royce to one side. We refuse | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
to travel in the best transport possible and are now heading for the | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
best left afterwords. This house has taken leave of its senses as it dead | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
at a rat and the poll tax and the bedroom tax, but the people who will | :43:58. | :44:05. | |
pay for it are not here. Members are on going to any destination as | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
destination as long as it is leaving the EU and it is gross | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
irresponsibility and it is only one thing that can save Scotland, and | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
that is independence and independence very soon. | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
I am looking forward to voting tonight and I am also looking | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
forward to the debates taking place in this chamber going forward over | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
the next two years on universities and education, immigration and the | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
economy, because I feel lousy result of this referendum we as an entity | :44:35. | :44:41. | |
are closer to the people now than we have ever been. I believe that they | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
will be watching those debates, watching what we are talking about | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
and that we will be responding to a mandate given to us by the people so | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
I am looking forward to tonight. But I cannot stand here without | :44:57. | :44:59. | |
responding to the waiter of the Liberal Democrats. He called for a | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
second referendum. Does anybody remember the honourable member | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
calling for the referendum in 2010? Has leaflets and posters for the | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
party said, time for a real referendum. They also called a | :45:18. | :45:24. | |
referendum in 2011 on alternative vote. You lost that, and the most | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
recent referendum, you have had the best of the two time to stop calling | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
for a referendum this. He spoke with passion in the same way he spoke | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
with passion about tuition fees, and as we are speaking, news is | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
breaking, that some members of the Liberal Democrats are going to | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
abstain, some voting for run some voting against. The honourable | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
member has divided his party of only nine MPs in a far more efficient | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
manner than the party opposite happens. What an achievement. That | :45:58. | :46:07. | |
brings me onto the party opposite. In 2005 and I have an even better | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
example than my friend used, 9.5 million people voted for the party | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
opposite, for Tony Blair to lead the government. 17.2 million voted | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
against. More people voted for Brexit than voted for the party | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
opposite in government in 2005. The point of that is this. Some members | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
opposite tonight served as ministers and that government and voted for | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
the referendum and tonight are going to vote against the result and the | :46:40. | :46:45. | |
mandate given to them by the people. I think it is slightly rich, | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
slightly rich that having served as a minister in a party and the | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
government were you only achieved 9 million votes but did anybody call | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
for a second referendum? They did not. Did anybody revert to the rule | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
of law, because people respect in this country a democratic vote. And | :47:04. | :47:11. | |
it is, I apologise, for an alteration in tone but it is with | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
some dismay I woke this morning to the news that a former Prime | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
Minister had tried to skew and influence the outcome of the | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
referendum by attempting to have the editor of the Daily Mail removed | :47:22. | :47:24. | |
from his post. I say with a degree of shame that a leader of this party | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
attempted to manipulate and distort the freedom of the press, not the | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
editor of the Guardian or the matter only paper that subscribe to his | :47:36. | :47:38. | |
worldview but a member of the Daily Mail. | :47:39. | :48:08. | |
For Mr Carney's inaccurate forecast. I would caution those thinking of | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
voting against tonight to be careful what they wish for and to be careful | :48:13. | :48:14. | |
for wishing first Africa and referendum. The people are advocates | :48:15. | :48:15. | |
for free speech and a powerful they failed to build a | :48:16. | :48:46. | |
British version for a reformed EU. And they failed to build a credible | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
immigration policy with the public. They fed the beast the roared last | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
June and we all have some responsibility in that. Then the | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
fear of the hard right in the Conservative Party has led to prime | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
ministers to recklessly gamble with the future of country. One called | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
the referendum, he thought he would never lose. The other has pushed | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
into triggering Brexit even before thinking through how it will | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
actually happen. Weakness and incompetence, weakness and | :49:18. | :49:24. | |
incompetence then. One lesson we should all learn is never again | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
should a complex economic and international issue be reduced to an | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
X Factor style competition. Last week the British government was cot | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
acting in constitutionally by the Supreme Court when trying to use a | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
trampy and style executive order to bypass Parliament on Brexit. | :49:42. | :49:49. | |
Government was Mac fear of Parliament led to wasted months | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
fighting a legal action when every MP could have been put to work | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
helping to craft the best exit deal for the UK. Time which the Prime | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
Minister could have used to tour the capitals of Europe to work out a | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
physician, to build the goodwill that we will need to get us a good | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
deal. The government is doing the bare minimum that it thinks it can | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
get away with without being in contempt of court. It does this by | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
bringing this tour at the size array and undernourished bill before | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
Parliament. No apology, no white paper, no plan for leaving the EU. | :50:25. | :50:31. | |
And we are, today, meant to meekly aid and abet this incompetence and | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
buckled to the dog whistle threat that if MPs dare to do their job and | :50:38. | :50:39. | |
believe in Parliamentary sovereignty, then the Ras of the | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
social media mob and the conservative press will be unleashed | :50:45. | :50:51. | |
against us. I ask my colleagues to actually show some strength today | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
because this day will not repeat. This is the moment you will think of | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
in ten years' time about what you did on this occasion. We are not | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
voting on in or out, that is history. That has been decided. We | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
are voting in whether we believe this government are ready to trigger | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
leaving when clearly they are not. The emperor has no White Paper. | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
Let's take heart from the judges who stood firm in doing their duty, | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
despite the enemies of the evil media headlines. Let's take heart | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
from Jean Miller, and individual citizens who felt government to | :51:30. | :51:37. | |
account, acting with... Yes, we should vote for a bill authorising | :51:38. | :51:45. | |
exit from the European union. But do that when we have done our duty on | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
dude Julie Jones. When we and our constituents know what the | :51:52. | :51:53. | |
government has planned on which of the thousands of permutations of | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
exit it is going for and how it meaningfully wants to do it in | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
Parliament. This bill is not about ignoring the referendum result but | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
realising it, ensuring that our whole democracy works to secure the | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
best deal possible. Unifying our nation, not glorying in its division | :52:13. | :52:22. | |
into winners and losers. Mr Speaker, when my honourable friend was | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
speaking about a White Paper and date of publication. He said it was | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
great to be published tomorrow. Is that news for the House? It is not | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
news for the House in sense if memory serves me correctly that the | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
Prime Minister indicated as much in the course of Prime Minister's | :52:38. | :52:48. | |
Questions. One thing I know about the honourable gentleman, he is | :52:49. | :52:50. | |
invariably listening to his own wisdom. We are grateful to him for | :52:51. | :53:00. | |
that. Mr Stephen Hammond. Thank you, Mr Speaker. This has been the place | :53:01. | :53:07. | |
where Britons are elected debate and make the decisions that affect our | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
country's future. It is only right that tonight it will be the size | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
that will vote to trigger article 50. I was one of the 544 who voted | :53:16. | :53:22. | |
for the referendum to give our people are choice and the future. So | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
it would be inconsistent to reject the the verdict of that referendum | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
if it is at odds with my own view. I campaigned for the UK to remain in | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
the EU. I am disappointed by the result. 71% of my constituents will | :53:38. | :53:45. | |
to do remain. I have had hundreds, literally hundreds of letters in the | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
last week telling me who I should represent them tonight and foot | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
against the government. But as much as my honourable friend is, I am a | :53:54. | :54:00. | |
defender of democracy. I voted knowing fine well that if we've won | :54:01. | :54:02. | |
the debate, that is what will happen. Tonight I will be in the | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
lobby triggering article 50. I will give way but only once. Since | :54:08. | :54:15. | |
September, a select committee has been established on exiting the EU. | :54:16. | :54:21. | |
We have had 26 debates and there have been seven statements in this | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
House. Does my friend agree that these statistics highlight the many | :54:27. | :54:28. | |
hours of debate that have been available to all members of the | :54:29. | :54:33. | |
House, contrary to what some might miss -- C. We must support the | :54:34. | :54:43. | |
British people tonight. I said I will certainly be respecting the | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
result of the referendum. Indeed we have had those debates. What is | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
crucial is where we go from here. For what the people did not say to | :54:54. | :54:56. | |
us on the referendum, how and on what terms we would be leaving. I | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
believe the best way to decide those issues, to mitigate the impact of | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
uncertainty, is for the government to keep Parliament updated as much | :55:08. | :55:09. | |
as possible throughout the negotiations, and allow this House | :55:10. | :55:16. | |
to have a meaningful input to those negotiations. I am at salute the | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
welcoming the publication of the White Paper tomorrow. I hope that | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
Bill will build on the Prime Minister was Max Beach End create | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
some level of uncertainty. It is in the government's best interest for | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
the fullest possible involvement of Parliament will help are negotiating | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
position. Our negotiations will carry much greater weight with the | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
EU 27 if it is clear the negotiating stance has the backing of this | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
House. And amongst all the talk of sovereignty and the hope of trade | :55:47. | :55:49. | |
deals, we must not forget the effect of this process on individuals, | :55:50. | :55:55. | |
constituents, many people who live in our constituencies, many of the | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
people who live in Wimbledon are EU citizens. And I hope the government | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
will find a very early resolution to the rights of those people who may | :56:06. | :56:12. | |
not be British citizens, but I regard as my constituents. I have | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
said several times in the House in the bridge of debates, the | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
honourable lady was talking about, uncertainty is a critical part. It | :56:21. | :56:30. | |
is vital for business's success. Therefore we should strive for a | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
deal in this deal that puts financial services at the heart with | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
equivalents in mutual recognition. Equally as my honourable friend for | :56:40. | :56:46. | |
South Devon said earlier, these devotions will be complex. We need | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
to guarantee certainty and that means a proper transitional process | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
where everybody can adjust to the new rules without a sudden shock and | :56:56. | :56:58. | |
that can be achieved. I hope that will be clarified at the heart of | :56:59. | :57:05. | |
their ambitions. This bill gives the United Kingdom the ability to | :57:06. | :57:07. | |
trigger Article 50 and almost everyone in the chamber tonight will | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
do that. I am pleased the Parliament has promised this Parliament to vote | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
on the final deal. But what needs to be clarified is what stage in the | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
process the vote will take place. It also needs to be clear that | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
Parliament will be to vote if the government seeks to withdraw from | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
the EU without a deal. If the government believes no deal was | :57:32. | :57:33. | |
achievable, then I hope the Secretary of State will absolutely | :57:34. | :57:35. | |
ensure and commit that the government will come back to this | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
government with all the options placed before us. If the voters | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
after the agreement of the Treaty but prior to the ratification as is | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
the current legal position, then it will mean the vote will be too late | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
and meaningless. In my view the vote must curb before the government | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
concludes the agreement. And if anyone has read article 50, that is | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
what will happen in the European Parliament. Are we know suggesting | :58:03. | :58:09. | |
the European Parliament should be more sovereign than this Parliament? | :58:10. | :58:18. | |
I think not. If it needs the consent of the European Parliament, it | :58:19. | :58:20. | |
should need the consent of this Parliament as well. Mr Speaker, as | :58:21. | :58:27. | |
Churchill said at the Battle of Britain, this will represent the end | :58:28. | :58:36. | |
of the beginning. But also gives this House the chance to show our | :58:37. | :58:38. | |
constituents we can come together, heal the divisions, find the best | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
deal for this country. Mr Speaker, as members in this House we make | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
difficult decisions every day. Some of these decisions are robs local | :58:46. | :58:47. | |
significance and others take on national significance. But the only | :58:48. | :58:49. | |
reason we have the ability to make these decisions as is because our | :58:50. | :58:51. | |
local constituents gave us their consent and voted for us at the | :58:52. | :58:58. | |
general election. And the point has been made to me that we are not | :58:59. | :59:01. | |
delegates. But when all your neighbours, your local business | :59:02. | :59:14. | |
people, your local pharmacists and local health professionals and | :59:15. | :59:15. | |
political allies and political opponents make the point here that | :59:16. | :59:18. | |
you have to take a stand on an issue, I feel this is the right | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
course of action. Mr Speaker, I did not want to resign my front bench | :59:22. | :59:24. | |
role. I know it was not a great office of state but it was an | :59:25. | :59:26. | |
important role that allowed me to hold the government to account on | :59:27. | :59:28. | |
their aspirations of social mobility. But today, we are debating | :59:29. | :59:31. | |
whether we trickle Article 50 and give the Prime Minister the | :59:32. | :59:39. | |
permission to exit the European union. And I think I would be | :59:40. | :59:41. | |
abandoning my duty to my constituents, who have | :59:42. | :59:43. | |
overwhelmingly unwaveringly made their point is that they do not want | :59:44. | :59:51. | |
to leave the European Union, 75% of my constituents footed to remain in | :59:52. | :59:59. | |
the European Union. And my honourable friend from Holborn and | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
some pancreas made the argument yesterday that this decision has not | :00:10. | :00:11. | |
been easy. It has been here conflicting emotions as we decide | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
what to do in the Labour Party. But for me there were two main reasons | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
why I made the decision I did and why we are voting against the bill | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
today. The first decision has been made because of the future of the EU | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
nationals living in my constituency. There are 17,000 EU nationals and | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
some have accused me and told me that I only want to be elected at | :00:26. | :00:32. | |
the next election which is why I am taking the stand. Let me tell me -- | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
you, these people cannot vote for me at the next election. The reason why | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
I am taking the stand I am taking, we do not wince when people are | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
speaking in a different language on public transport. We do not blame | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
the very real pressures on our health system, on a housing on | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
scapegoating others simply because they do not look like us and because | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
they do not sound like us. In Hamstead and Kilburn we do not | :00:59. | :01:05. | |
indulge in baseless theories that are country is at breaking point. In | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
Hamstead and Kilburn we celebrate these EU nationals, they are a part | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
of fabric is marked as anyone else and they have a right to be here as | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
much as the success of generations that came before them. If I vote for | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
this bill today, I am abandoning my responsibility to these EU nationals | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
who live in my constituency. And for a lack of time I will go on to the | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
next reason why am I putting against this. For lack of access to the | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
single affects three main groups. The self-employed who have argued | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
they need tariff free trade with the EU. Those involved in the scientific | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
and technical industries. In the last ten years the scientific | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
funding has increased by 73% from EU sources. At this point their | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
projects are in jeopardy. Finally, those who are involved in the | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
have no clarity over the future of have no clarity over the | :02:05. | :02:05. | |
the past sporting rights. These are the reasons in good conscience I | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
cannot vote for the bill today. And finally I will quote my friend from | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
Leeds Central and say, this is not how we do things in the House. We | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
need clarity. We need to see the economic impact of this decision. I | :02:19. | :02:25. | |
will not be voting for this bill today. | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
It gives me great pleasure to follow the honourable lady. She addresses | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
herself with clarity and passion and while I will not be in the lobby is | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
this evening I share many of the sentiments she has expressed. In | :02:41. | :02:50. | |
1519, Cortez arrived in the New World. The first thing he did was to | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
burn the ships that had got him there. Pointing up the beach he told | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
his astonished crew that since retreat to Europe was no longer an | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
option the only way forward was up the beach to the opportunities he | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
saw in the New World. Britain used the -- now stands on the brink of | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
its Cortez moment. When article 50 is triggered that there will be no | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
way back. Brexit Britain must of course broker the best possible deal | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
it can with the European Union but our future long-term will depend | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
just as much on our ability to operate freely and globally. | :03:28. | :03:35. | |
Meanwhile in Europe, we were told this week that assertive | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
unspectacular steps are needed to revive the aspiration to raise | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
European integration to the next level. Whose aspirations? Not those | :03:48. | :03:55. | |
of the British public. But for moderates like me, people who admit | :03:56. | :04:02. | |
risks as well as benefits, are done a real service. Has false | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
prescription has explained more eloquently than I ever could buy it | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
was that the British public voted to leave on 23rd June. We have had some | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
truly excellent contributions today and yesterday and I paid tribute to | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
honourable members who have expressed their positions | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
forthrightly even if I disagree with them. This is the House at its very | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
best, this is the House listening to be public that we serve. Last week | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
the permanent secretary at the Ministry of Defence in an interview | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
for the civil service weekly said that the EU was operationally | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
irrelevant to defence and security. He was wrong. The European Union is | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
relevant to our defence and security. I am fully supportive of | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
the Petersburg tasks, the use of assets for humanitarian and | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
peacekeeping operations under the EU. I accept that the European | :05:01. | :05:13. | |
defence agency, a body who has a minister its budget I try to | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
contain, running number of projects that Britain benefits from, and my | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
point is we must seek to engage with Europe post-Brexit whenever it is | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
expedient to do so and I would encourage ministers particularly, as | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
ministers within Europe's principle military power, to continue engaging | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
wherever Bayliss mutual benefit in as doing so. Yesterday, city UK | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
reversed its previously held Euroscepticism and announced the | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
next few the European Union was a straitjacket and Brexit presented an | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
unprecedented opportunity. It spoke of achieving a global Brexit and | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
that reminds us that in all those steals the only trade deals | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
concluded by the European Union or Mexico and South America. It is a | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
mistaken belief that Brussels would undertake the task on our behalf but | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
it was clearly asleep on watch and now it is time for Britain to | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
rediscover its historic engagement with global markets and I hope in | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
the years ahead ministers will do that. We have had the bizarre | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
spectacle of Germany making more money from exporting coffee than the | :06:29. | :06:36. | |
developing countries... As my honourable friend said at the | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
beginning of this debate, this is a very difficult debate for many of us | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
on this side of the chamber. I supported Remains strongly in the | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
campaign because I believed it was in the interests of the country and | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
the constituency I represent. I thought the economic arguments they | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
remain campaign advanced within the ends succeed but that wasn't the | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
case. In the end they didn't ask the people for their views if I wasn't | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
going to listen to what they said. I accept the vote for this bill is | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
only opening the door but it probably will mean ultimately that | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
as a result they leave the EU. In the end they will listen to my | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
constituents and their views because they voted overwhelmingly to leave. | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
The reason my constituents gave to me on the doorstep was that many of | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
them felt left behind by economic progress over the number of decades. | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
They felt they were not in control of their lives, they felt that we as | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
their representatives, as a political class, were not listening | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
to them, and that one of the fundamental concerns was around | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
unrestricted immigration from the EU. That is the honest information | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
they gave to me that I am relaying. People who are not racists still | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
have genuine concerns about the impact on their public services and | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
jobs and pay and conditions from that unrestricted immigration. Those | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
concerns were expressed to me by people from different ethnic | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
backgrounds, from the Pakistani Kashmiri, Bangladeshi and Somali | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
communities as well as white British residents. I feel that if we don't | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
listen to those genuinely held concerns, the disillusionment met | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
with politics will grow. We risked driving those people into the arms | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
of the racists who actually do want to put forward a different agenda | :08:41. | :08:47. | |
completely. At the same time I recognise that while I will vote for | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
the ballot is still important in Sheffield for its industry to have | :08:51. | :08:58. | |
free access to EU markets. They want to have assurances that it will be | :08:59. | :09:05. | |
safe in the future as it is now. We want to see cooperation on | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
environmental matters, defence, security, science and research. They | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
want to keep the same employment rights and protections as they now | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
enjoy. They don't want to see a race to the bottom on reducing taxation | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
on corporate matters so we can compete with offshore tax havens | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
elsewhere. In the end, it is important that to keep those issues | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
on the agenda, parliament is regularly updated on progress in the | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
discussions and that at the end this Parliament has a vote on the final | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
outcome just as the European Parliament will do. I still have | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
concerns about voting for the bill, concerns I felt when I argued | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
strongly for remain in the referendum but in the end I have | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
more concerned about the damage to democracy if I don't vote for the | :10:00. | :10:08. | |
bill. I am not one to brag but I humbly suggest that I know something | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
about how to negotiate in Europe. My personal best was what the civil | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
service called a three shirt, three base and two nights of continuous | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
negotiation so I wish them luck as they enter this process and can I | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
ask them to ignore all those who say that they might like to share with | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
other indie world every single nuance of negotiations, because | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
nothing would be likely to secure a worse deal for us in this house | :10:37. | :10:44. | |
following that. I have to break it gently to some members of this house | :10:45. | :10:52. | |
and to some deluging our inbox, that some are not fascinated with the | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
politics of Brexit. They are rooted in the realities, and these are the | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
small family farming businesses, the life sciences company that wants to | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
sell its world beating products to health services in Europe, it is | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
about companies that will be part of consortia or supply chains, some of | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
which will be in and outside the European Union, and how what work | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
for them the? It is about people who want to study abroad, people who are | :11:23. | :11:24. | |
concerned about the future of our environment. The experience of the | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
referendum campaign was for me a miserable one, a new low in the | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
political discourse of the nation and they put blame for that on both | :11:36. | :11:43. | |
sides. As the dust settles, we have choice, and that choice is whether | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
to play the role of some sort of parliamentary insurgent, finding | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
devious mechanisms with which to do down the view the public took in an | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
open referendum, or is it that we should represent the views of | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
constituents, the vast majority, who want us to act in their best | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
interests, and to understand the government faces a heavy burden as | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
it seeks to achieve an orderly exit. These as one notable voice absent | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
from our debates here in this historic preceding, and that is the | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
member for Grantham and Stanford, who wrote an article, difficult | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
thought must have been for him in the middle of his treatment for | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
cancer, School of intelligence and common sense, and it had an | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
understanding of what it is to be a liberal conservative at the time | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
like this. He reminded us that we need to look forward, we need to | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
look forward to a world in which we can have a decent, open and generous | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
relationship with our European partners because that is what we | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
believe, not just because it is in our nature but free trade and a | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
belief in markets is something that is important to us. It is also a | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
reminder when you read it of why we want our honourable friend back here | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
in good health in the future. He reminded us we need to cooperate on | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
issues like climate change, science and countering terrorism and all the | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
things that matter to us. Outreach to our partners and a rejection of | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
the kind of insular backward looking and small Britain that has affected | :13:25. | :13:33. | |
this debate for too long. I will passionately support this bill | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
tonight and I give the Treasury bench who will notice that I will be | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
taking part in every available opportunity to hold them to account, | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
that we reached the best deal for the people of this country and our | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
constituents, and to do that in a constructive way. Thank you. I shall | :13:51. | :14:00. | |
be as brief as I can. A slightly depressing debate today because as | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
everybody knows, because of the collusion of the front bench is the | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
result was a foregone conclusion. Eric Forth, who many in this | :14:09. | :14:15. | |
household member, said that when the front benches agree with each other | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
it is time for the House to be at its most active and examine | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
precisely what that alliance means. My honourable friend, as was | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
mentioned by the member for Sheffield, said yesterday, that it | :14:28. | :14:38. | |
is a very difficult issue for the Labour Party and indeed it is. It is | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
difficult for everybody in this house, and presents us with a | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
paradox and a difficulty to know what is the right thing to do. Some | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
people say the result of the referendum means that supporting | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
this bill is the right thing to do, others disagree. Others say their | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
duty to their constituents transcends party loyalties and I | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
will make my position perfectly clear because I am in a fortunate | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
position. My constituency as I said on the Monday after the referendum, | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
voted by something like 2-1 to remain in the European Union. As I | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
said then, I regard my primary responsibility is being to my | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
constituents. My constituents have written to meet in unprecedented | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
numbers, and I am sure most members of this house will have received | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
more information on this issue than just about any other from | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
constituents, certainly in the 25 years I have been a member of this | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
house, urging me to support that because my constituency supported | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
that way. I will support the objection to leaving the European | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
Union and they will vote against a second reading tonight and will vote | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
for the Scottish National Party Amendment and against the programme | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
motion and will continue to do so. I will be active next week when it | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
comes before committee and seek to amend the bill but I will vote | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
against the third reading as well because I will not be complicit in | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
something that I know and feel to be wrong. And to be against the best | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
interests, not just of my constituents are not just this eight | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
-- this city of which my constituency is a small part. | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
Whatever negotiations and agreements take place, reform of the European | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
Union, staying in the European Union and leading the campaign of | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
reformers in the best interests of the British people and I will do | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
nothing know which undermines their possession. What I will also see is | :16:42. | :16:49. | |
people have mentioned the status of European Union citizens in this | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
country. The Prime Minister, and I am sure she is in earnest about this | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
and being genuine, when she says she wants to get Italy agreement for | :16:58. | :17:04. | |
reciprocal arrangements. I say, and others say as well, the answer is in | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
her own hands. She can reassure EU nationals living in this country now | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
and say that their future and that of their families and secure. And | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
then go to, quite rightly, to the chambers and the councils of Europe | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
and say we demand the same from you. There will be only one reason why I | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
would ever turn my back on the European Union and agree that we | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
should leave, it would be if they turned around and denied British | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
citizens the right that we can give to EU nationals. | :17:37. | :17:47. | |
Is the Prime Minister saying that if the other countries said no, that | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
she would as the current European citizens resident in this country to | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
leave? That is precisely the point. The reason why Ukip has so little | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
traction in London is because most Londoners within a generation or two | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
are immigrants themselves. Not necessarily from overseas, but from | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
other parts of the United Kingdom. So the idea of the other is nothing | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
new to Londoners. I agree what others have said about the pace of | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
social change. People need to feel they are in control of it. They | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
understand the nature of the change that is being affected. My fear is | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
that a number of people I will vote as I have indicated because I | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
believe it to be right. It might in the throes of time be a mistake, but | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
I believe it to be right. What depresses me about today for s' | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
proceedings is that a lot of members tonight will vote for | :18:47. | :19:05. | |
something that is not right because it is expedient to do so. I shall | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
not join those ranks, I will do whatever I can is to make sure that | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
the deal that will follow will be the best it can be. I will not be | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
complicit in undermining the future of the British people. For centuries | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
Dover as has had an important role as the gateway and guardian of the | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
kingdom. I was concerned about the impact potentially on border | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
security, the impact on cross-border co-operation, the potential impact | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
on trade because Dover is in a real sense on the front line. And I set | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
out these concerns to my constituents as well as those of the | :19:33. | :19:42. | |
medium-term risks to the economy. There was a referendum after a long | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
debate, a thorough debate. There was a proper debate, people knew what | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
they were voting for and they made a clear decision. So I for one will be | :19:54. | :20:01. | |
voting to respect the result. Now the leader of the Liberal Democrats | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
seems to treat like this Hotel California. You can never leave. The | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
SNP think that you should just have multiple | :20:10. | :20:29. | |
referendums until you might get the right result. On their track record | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
in, losing the AV referendum, the independence referendum, losing the | :20:33. | :20:34. | |
European referendum, they are not doing so well. I shall respect this | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
result and we need to be clear in this House on the red line is that | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
we were given by the British people. My constituents are very clear. | :20:43. | :20:43. | |
Number one, they must be an end to a unchecked EU migration. | :20:44. | :21:05. | |
Number two, no more billions for bloated Brussels bureaucrats. And | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
that leaves very clearly that we must leave the single market and if | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
we want to do trade deals with the rest of the world, we need to leave | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
the customs union. For Dover, that has a real impact. I am making no | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
bones about that. I have put together proposals about how we can | :21:22. | :21:23. | |
restore border controls and I are putting together a group. I have put | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
together a group on how we can manage customs leaving the European | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
Union in two years and how we can be ready on day one. It is the job of | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
this House and the job of every one of this member, not just to respect | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
the result, but to make it work for the good of the British people. We | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
cannot hope for things to go wrong. We need to recognise that if things | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
do go wrong, it impacts the people we serve and represent. They will be | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
less well off and that is why I am working to make this work. That is | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
why I am imploring to make this work and make a success of it, recognise | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
that we will have to leave the single market. We will have to leave | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
the customs union, we will need to be ready on day one. And we also | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
need to recognise that there may not be a deal. We should work tirelessly | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
for a deal, but it may be that no deal is immediately forthcoming. For | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
the reasons that my friend for Tatton set out. But the mindset for | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
my European colleagues are not set for a deal. They might not wish to | :22:22. | :22:31. | |
do a deal at that time. Also, any deal maker and negotiator will tell | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
you the best way to land a deal is to be prepared for no deal taking | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
place. And that is why we need to be ready for border controls, ready for | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
customs duties, ready for trade with double wide world as well as ready | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
to do up is to deal and have positive engagement with the | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
European union in the years to come. So I am so this House to think | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
constructively, to be constructive, to respect the House and to look at | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
the future of this nation as the best days are yet to come. Mr | :22:59. | :23:06. | |
Speaker I came into this House with my friend from Lewisham West 25 | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
years ago and I am delighted to say that I am with him today on this | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
bench and I agree with every word that he says. If there are so gives | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
me four minutes to talk about other things. President Donald Trump | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
yesterday made a very important statement. President Donald Tusk | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
that is. Donald Tusk pointed to the threats that face Europe. The | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
threats from Russia. The threats of change, of claim it and the threats | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
from across the Atlantic from the other Donald. If I predict, if the | :23:50. | :23:57. | |
situation had arisen before the referendum, we may have had a | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
different result. More and more people in this country are realising | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
that we need our European partnership and this is not the time | :24:09. | :24:17. | |
to be leaving the call operation of European foreign policy. It is not | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
too -- time to be leaving the European Security agency. It is not | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
time to be leaving co-operation with their European partners. I | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
understand the comments being made by the honourable member. It is not | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
the time either to replace the arguments of the referendum. The | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
British public have spoken and it is down to us to take forward their | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
views and vote with the government this evening. I am not be playing | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
the arguments I am dealing with the realities. And interestingly perhaps | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
the members stood on a manifesto of the last general election in 2015 | :24:54. | :25:02. | |
where his party said yes to the single market. It also set that it | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
will bring in a referendum. It had a mandate for doing that. But as the | :25:06. | :25:12. | |
former Europe minister, the member for Aylesbury said, the referendum | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
is adverts that -- advisory as was the 1975 referendum in Europe and | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
the Scottish and vote last year. That is what they said in 2015 in | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
the 16th of June. Parliament has to decide how, when and if to implement | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
this referendum. The problem with the position that is being taken by | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
both frontbenchers, by trickling early, we are going to be on an | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
escalator in one direction with no ability to get off. There is a legal | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
process going on. In the Irish courts at the moment about the | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
possibilities, the implications of whether Article 50 is reversible. We | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
don't know that judgment yet. Why on earth are we triggering before we | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
know the legal position on article 50? Why is it the decision of our | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
government to go for the hardest possible leaving of the EU. No | :26:13. | :26:23. | |
customs union, problems for Gibraltar, problems for the Northern | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
Ireland peace process and the Good Friday agreement and all of these | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
problems are being done in advance of knowing whether we could decide | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
in a year's time or maybe two years' time, before this process is | :26:37. | :26:43. | |
complete. We need to not be on this escalator. We need to have a means | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
to stop that process and that is why we need clarity before we start | :26:50. | :27:02. | |
triggering it. We did not need to trigger in March this year. We could | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
have waited. It did not need to be done in advance of the French | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
election and the German election and the reality is the ratification | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
process requires decisions in 27 national parliaments and the | :27:18. | :27:29. | |
regional parliaments in Belgium and the decision by the European | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
Parliament. So if we are to get that process, we will have a narrow | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
window of of urgency. Perhaps just a year from the bottom of this year | :27:36. | :27:37. | |
until the autumn of 2018, and then they will have to be a ratification | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
process. We won't get a good agreement. We could be in a | :27:43. | :27:50. | |
disastrous position of going off the cliff with no agreement at all with | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
a terrible economic consequences of WTO terms only. That is an | :27:57. | :27:58. | |
unmitigated disaster for my constituents and for the country. I | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
am doing what the member for Rushcliffe said yesterday, I am | :28:06. | :28:07. | |
voting as members of Parliament should. I am following my own | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
judgments. I am listening to my constituents and to the country. No, | :28:11. | :28:18. | |
I have to conclude. But I will not be voting to trigger article 50 at | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
any stage. Mr Speaker, I am indeed casting my personal vote for remain | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
in the referendum. I have had and have concerns about the security | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
implications of leaving the EU. I have been opposed to an EU army, I | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
wonder if that may come about without us being there to veto it. I | :28:40. | :28:47. | |
don't believe these have been addressed are answered. I had | :28:48. | :28:50. | |
concerns about inflationary effects and some of that is kicking in. But | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
I do note it hasn't reached the 2% level yet that the Bank of England | :28:58. | :29:06. | |
aims for. But I am is a prize that many of my colleagues, for having a | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
vote on a main. The one thing they did recognise that I'd never had any | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
truck with the federalisation of Europe, the political side of | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
Europe. I felt that it was wrong, I felt that it didn't need impinged | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
too far on the work of this parliament. And indeed so many | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
people in my constituency said to me we joined a common market. We didn't | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
join in EU. And even though my personal vote was for remain, one | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
thing I was fully supported, I do not cast myself as a particular hard | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
winner of the Conservative Party, which has been painted on benches | :29:47. | :29:48. | |
opposite and those against this policy. I passionately believe that | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
there had to be a referendum because people were never given their sake | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
on the European Union. They were given their say on the common market | :30:00. | :30:07. | |
and the state -- want to stay in the European market. But what has been | :30:08. | :30:09. | |
clear since that referendum is that you have not taken seriously any of | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
the lessons as to why people in this country are moving against it. I | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
have to say that I would, tomorrow, vote to leave. Because I felt there | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
was an opportunity that we could negotiate in the European Union, | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
that we could work through issues that were a problem for people in | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
this country, and they ignored her former Prime Minister, David | :30:35. | :30:36. | |
Cameron. They did not think the country would totally. And I see the | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
same consequences going through now, in the comets of the Maltese Prime | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
Minister, in the comments of Donald Tusk. They have real warnings on the | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
horizon. This is an organisation that needs to reform. If it does not | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
reform I fear for women it will go. But I also want to say, Mr is | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
bigger, but above all it was an exercise in democracy and it would | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
be folly in the extreme for the other place, with maybe politicians | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
in the other place dominated by parties who have been diminished in | :31:12. | :31:13. | |
the elected House, two Triangle against the will of the size. And | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
that will indeed, I think, be a suicide bid by the other place if | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
they try and try and disrupt the will of this House. That is a | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
warning I give. I am on the record wanting Lords reform. You cannot get | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
Lord reform of the public are not bind us. I said that as a friendly | :31:34. | :31:41. | |
warning, Mr Speaker. That they must take note of what this House says | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
because what this referendum has been about, above all else, is | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
democracy. People said they did not want to be controlled by unelected | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
bodies in Europe. They expect us to action that choice. It may have not | :31:56. | :32:02. | |
been the result I voted for but I am a Democrat and above all I respect | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
the ballot box and I respect the outcome of the ballot box. And this | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
House must respect the outcome of the ballot box. | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
We as a parliament and a democracy took the country into a referendum | :32:16. | :32:24. | |
that had nothing to do with the best interests of Britain and everything | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
to do with attempting to heal deep divisions within the Conservative | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
Party. We on this site didn't wish to appear to not trust the voters | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
and I must admit we had some of our own divisions but all of us failed | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
to set the rules fully referendum we didn't approve a simple majority, a | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
requirement for the road map showing the implications for the leave than | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
the cost implications of the two alternatives. Then came the | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
shockingly irresponsible referendum campaign, full of lies, | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
misinformation, dog whistle politics, and xenophobia. When the | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
British public for to do the majority to leave the EU they did so | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
in a variety of reasons. They wanted the money back which the battlebus | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
told us was going to Europe but apparently nothing came back, and | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
apparently they wanted it spent on the NHS. They are not going to get | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
it. They wanted control of immigration and spending. They | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
wanted an end to austerity and to wipe the smug look... Of the | :33:33. | :33:41. | |
Chancellor's face. They achieved that one. On the doorstep people | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
didn't tell me they were happy to lose workers' rights and jobs and to | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
have lower standards of living, or reduced opportunities for children | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
and grandchildren. They didn't talk about wanting to leave the single | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
market, the customs union or pursuing a bold and ambitious free | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
trade agreement. Somehow we as politicians were to square that | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
circle. Stop immigration, get the money back, get control back and | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
become more affluent. I cannot keep on voting for the process that gives | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
the people of Bridgend no assurance of a secure future for them or their | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
children. I voting to trigger article 50. I am grateful for giving | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
way and I have taken the unusual step of listening to the debate | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
rather than contributing but having listened for many hours I will also | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
be joining hearts in voting against second reading this evening. I | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
welcome that information because my honourable friend as somebody who's | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
integrity and his contribution in debates I always listen to and I am | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
deeply pleased that he will be joining me in the lobbies. We are | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
voting here today with a white Paper promised tomorrow, not before this | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
discussion. We have no risk assessment, no financial assessment, | :35:03. | :35:09. | |
a total lack of clarity on the government's policy, but the thin | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
promise of a sunlit uplands, of eight passport and a tariff free | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
agreement which means costs would rise for financial services. I | :35:20. | :35:34. | |
intend to keep voting no until I can see a position that is the best we | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
can obtain for this country. I am ashamed that the way we have | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
abandoned EU citizens and their families who gave their lives, loves | :35:45. | :35:51. | |
unsettled future to the UK. I have a wonderful German daughter in law and | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
an extended German family, I have friends who are MPs across Europe | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
who are deeply saddened by the words and threats emanating from this | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
government. I accept the outcome of the referendum. We are leaving the | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
European Union, but it doesn't mean I am willing to vote for the party | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
opposite to the this country into a treacherous and uncertain future. | :36:16. | :36:24. | |
There is a Gramsci quote that says the old order is dying, the new one | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
is struggling to be born and then the interregnum monsters are abroad. | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
They most certainly are. We are voting before we know the outcome of | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
the match European elections which will influence the | :36:39. | :36:52. | |
part of our economic security to an America where Trump's inauguration | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
speech, support for torture, ban on Muslims entering the US, | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
anti-climate change rhetoric and the clear statement of America first and | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
the commitment to end trade agreements not in America's best | :37:05. | :37:12. | |
interests. I am voting particularly because I don't trust that this is a | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
government that can take me to the right place. I trust the British | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
people, I don't trust this government. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I | :37:19. | :37:31. | |
am in an easy position. I have an easy decision to make, no decision, | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
I campaigned and voted for Brexit has that my constituency, as did the | :37:37. | :37:44. | |
United Kingdom, so I am not torn in terms of what I am going to do this | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
evening, but I am also not going to demand or even suggest how other | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
members of this house should vote. Each one of us has a unique | :37:53. | :38:00. | |
combination of local constituency pressures and I cannot look into the | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
heart of other members of this house to see Fergie set. I am not going to | :38:05. | :38:11. | |
call upon anyone to vote in one way or another, I am going to reflect on | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
what I think the implications of the Brexit vote should be for all of us, | :38:17. | :38:27. | |
irrespective of what our political position is and irrespective of how | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
we choose to vote in the decisions of the seasoning and that committee | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
stage next week. Brexit provides us with an opportunity but it also | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
exerts upon us and external discipline. Discipline is something | :38:43. | :38:50. | |
which guides the actions and decisions. Discipline also | :38:51. | :38:57. | |
encourages us to do what is difficult but right. The discipline | :38:58. | :39:06. | |
that Brexit imposes upon us is to listen very carefully to people in | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
Britain who clearly feel they have not been listened to up until this | :39:11. | :39:20. | |
point. It is very easy, for us to project our own prejudices on why | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
people voted the way they did. The we all do it and we have seen it | :39:26. | :39:33. | |
both from those of us who voted for Brexit, to project very basic | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
motivations onto those who are going to vote in alignment with their | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
constituents, and we would be wrong to do so, but we also have to | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
understand why there are communities in Britain who are concerned about | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
their standard of living, about migration and globalisation. We have | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
to respond to those concerns, but also on the government said we have | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
is to understand that at some point we will need to explain why we are | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
perhaps prioritising certain markets and business sectors in our | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
negotiations above others. We will need to explain that the value that | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
international migration brings to the British economy and why it will | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
not suddenly stop overnight, the day after we leave the EU. I thank my | :40:17. | :40:24. | |
honourable friend for the speech cheesemaking and the important | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
points he is making. Does he not agree that the modern industrial | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
strategy now set out is going to be a vitally important element of | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
paving the way forward for our economy in the post Brexit world. It | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
is good to be incredibly important that the government lays out a | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
pathway from now moving forward is that explains to many people in | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
Britain how a global economy can work not just for the greater good | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
foot for the individual good. Ultimately when members of this | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
house say the British people need to have a say they are absolutely right | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
they need to have a seat but they should remember that Brexit is the | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
start of an ongoing existence. It is not a discrete process. The deal the | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
Prime Minister and ministers are negotiating will be the deal that is | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
put to the British people at the Twenty20 general election, and if | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
other members of this place, from other parties, feel that they have a | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
better version of the relationship with Europe, perhaps a version that | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
prioritises market access over border control, it is not | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
necessarily one I would agree with what it is none the less legitimate, | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
and if they wish to prioritise membership of the customs union | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
overrode ability to strike independent free trade deals, that | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
again would not be a position I agree with but is none the less | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
legitimate. What parliamentary sovereignty means is that those | :41:57. | :42:04. | |
alternative versions of Brexit, what an SNP Brexit or Liberal Democrat | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
Brexit might look like, can be fruitful for the British people in | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
the lead up to the general election, and that hypothesis can be tested in | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
the ultimate crucible, which is the British democratic system, I do | :42:18. | :42:26. | |
apologise... If they are versions of Brexit seemed to be more palatable | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
than the government version of Brexit, we will know, and we will | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
know because members will be returned here in proportion to how | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
palatable or otherwise those various versions of Brexit should be. That | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
is how British democracy should work and that is how British democracy | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
has been prevented from working up until this point of time, which is | :42:53. | :43:00. | |
why I will not just vote to trigger article 50 this evening and in | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
future divisions, I will do so passionately and happily because it | :43:07. | :43:13. | |
means that for the first time in 40 years, the way British parliamentary | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
democracy is meant to work will actually be able to work. But I | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
won't ask you force you to with me. My constituency voted to remain. My | :43:22. | :43:35. | |
country voted to leave. My conscience continues to believe that | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
the country's interests are best served within the European Union. I | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
believe that my job is to act in accordance with my conscience in the | :43:47. | :43:54. | |
interests of my constituents in the parliamentary democracy I am proud | :43:55. | :43:56. | |
to uphold. I believe that my constituents trust and belief in | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
parliamentary democracy is the greater security country has against | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
the rise of fascist leaders and the destruction of our national value | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
system. It would be wrong to reject the results of the referendum. | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
Newcastle was part of a nation than that which unites us is greater than | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
that which divides us. For that reason I will vote for the second | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
reading of this bill. But there are busy but and there always was going | :44:28. | :44:34. | |
to be. This government is attempting a constitutional land grab. The | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
referendum was about the will of the people, not that of the Prime | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
Minister who is not even elected. 52% voted to leave the European | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
Union but they didn't vote to leave the single market, they didn't vote | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
to be the customs union. The north-east is the only region to | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
export more than it imports, and more than half goes to the European | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
Union. It is estimated that 160,000 jobs are directly linked to our | :45:03. | :45:09. | |
membership of the single market, whilst our great universities | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
received 155 million in European Union funds in the current funding | :45:14. | :45:21. | |
cycle alone. When I talk to businesses they are incandescent | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
that Tories are rejecting the greatest free trade Alliance on the | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
planet. I can also say that having negotiated joint ventures, regular | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
Tory undertakings and multi-million pound contracts across the Mack | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
continents, I have never come across a negotiating position as inept as | :45:46. | :45:52. | |
this government's. Give us what we want or you will duff up your | :45:53. | :45:59. | |
economy. I have zero confidence in their negotiating future trade | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
deals, deals in which Parliament will have no say. They will sell our | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
socio economic birthright for a mess of right-wing pottage. When the | :46:09. | :46:15. | |
Chancellor talks of changing our economic model he means turning the | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
UK into a low-wage, low skilled tax haven with little or no welfare | :46:22. | :46:28. | |
support. Over the third of children in Newcastle live in poverty. One in | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
five of my constituents claims benefits. North-east workers are on | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
average almost ?4000 per year worse off than ten years ago. Am I going | :46:40. | :46:48. | |
to vote for a dystopian Ault right free-market future for them? | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
Absolutely not. Already constituents and asking me questions I never | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
expected to hear, might they be deported to the European Union? Just | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
how racist is an insult have to be before they should complain? Will | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
there be a nuclear war and which side will be we beyond? The | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
government needs to accept amendments to this bill which ensure | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
that our values, our socio economic model and our membership of the | :47:20. | :47:27. | |
single market are safeguarded. Otherwise, democracy, my | :47:28. | :47:29. | |
constituents and my conscience will fall. | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
I am sorry I will have to make spirit speech is three minutes. I am | :47:35. | :47:44. | |
privileged to take part in this bill today. I would say to them there | :47:45. | :50:03. | |
when I went recently to a school in my constituency and asked the sixth | :50:04. | :51:06. | |
form, the school council, how I should vote today and lead out of | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
the problem that I have, every single one of them said, with your | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
conscience. That is what I intend to do. I am a Democrat. Most of my | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
constituency voted in a different way from me. I am a Democrat but I | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
believe in a form of democracy that never silencers minorities. I | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
believe the 48% in this country have a right to | :51:30. | :51:41. | |
voice and the 46% or 45% the actual figure was in my constituency. So, | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
today I am voting and speaking on behalf of a minority of my | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
constituents. My first political memories are fine call's guides and | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
Spain. I was thrown out of Chile in 1986 attending the funeral of a lad. | :51:56. | :52:02. | |
I distrust politicians who spuriously use the national security | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
argument to launch campaigns against migrants, refugees and ethnic | :52:07. | :52:10. | |
minorities. I feared the turn this world is ticking towards national -- | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
narrow nationalism,. Distrust of those who are different from ours | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
can all too often turn to hatred of foreigners and that way lies the | :52:23. | :52:29. | |
trail to war. I know that is not the tradition of the Rhondda. We were | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
built on migrants, from England, from Scotland, from Italy. And the | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
silent was built on the sweat, the courage and the ingenuity and they | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
get up and go off Huguenots, Normans, Protestants fleeing the | :52:46. | :52:53. | |
prosecution, Polish, Spanish nurses, Indian doctors, Afro-Caribbean 's | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
who wanted to make this country great. So I have stood at every | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
election on a platform and manifesto, a party manifesto that | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
said that we would stay in the European Union. That was my solemn | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
vow to the people of the Rhondda. I lost that thought. I admit it. I | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
lost it in my constituency but I have not lost my faith. It remains | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
my deep conviction that leaving the European Union, especially on the | :53:20. | :53:28. | |
terms the government will expect, we'll do undo damage to my | :53:29. | :53:30. | |
constituents, especially the poorest of them. Of course I give way. I | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
think my honourable friend give way. He is making a very brave and | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
compelling case. I came in the chamber today not having finally | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
which way to vote. Does he agree with me that if I believe the | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
government was my plan is not the interests of my country and my | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
constituents, then I should join him in the lobby and vote no to the bill | :53:52. | :53:58. | |
tonight? Well I am going to vote further recent amendments to night. | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
I believe that is in the interests of my constituents. Maybe they will | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
take it out on me like to coat in Bristol. In the end there is no | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
reason for any offers being a member of this House if we do not have | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
anything to believe in and fight for. It is so dangerous this moment | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
because the government has stated that this moment is irreversible. | :54:25. | :54:30. | |
This is it, folks. No or never. In the most uncertain of times, we are | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
being asked to vote for a completely unknown deal. Yes, I know we are | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
going to leave the European Union. I know the House will fall further. My | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
vote cannot change that. But I believe this will leave us poorer. | :54:45. | :54:51. | |
Weaker and aft far, far greater danger in Europe and in the West and | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
in this country. So, Mr Speaker, I say, not in my name. Never, never, | :54:58. | :55:05. | |
never. It is a great honour to speak on this historic debate. On June the | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
23rd we saw 52% of the United Kingdom, 57% of people in Derby | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
voted for the UK to leave the European union. In Derby vote | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
turnout was 70%, almost double local elections with 18,000 more people | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
voting to leave than remain. Personally, I had double rooted for | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
a long time over my decision and I spent time listening to the argument | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
and could see strong reasons to leave and remain. I started feeling | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
towards leave but finally decided that remain in my opinion would be | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
the best for the country and I campaigned hard for us to stay in | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
the EU. Whilst out campaigning, people had been coming to me with | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
real messages saying they wanted a clamp-down on immigration, an | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
opportunity to stand on a and make their own decisions. But on the | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
other side there was uncertainty regarding the country's future, | :56:02. | :56:03. | |
being outside of the EU and the long-term implications and | :56:04. | :56:12. | |
consequences did have. Now this is a decision that will ship this country | :56:13. | :56:14. | |
for generations and it's one that we must respect and insure it becomes a | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
reality. We need to make sure we look forward so that future | :56:19. | :56:19. | |
generations benefit from this version two. It is now the time to | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
look for the opportunities Brexit can bring to our country and this | :56:25. | :56:27. | |
will be challenging. The avenues of trade and investment that the | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
government is working hard to create with new friends and partners inside | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
and outside of Europe. Since the referendum I have been | :56:39. | :56:56. | |
speaking to wide range of people and businesses in my constituency of | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
Derby North and they are now looking forward to the urgency that brags | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
that brings and there is a feeling of optimism to ensure small, medium | :57:03. | :57:04. | |
and large businesses drive after we leave. Whilst acknowledging the | :57:05. | :57:06. | |
complexity of the negotiations. On the point the member of North | :57:07. | :57:20. | |
Cornwall raised about eyes being wide and looking up. Would my | :57:21. | :57:21. | |
honourable friend agree with me, honourable friend agree with me, | :57:22. | :57:29. | |
saw both sides of the argument. And written to me now, | :57:30. | :57:37. | |
saw both sides of the argument. And we should be looking forward such as | :57:38. | :57:38. | |
heard from the member of North heard from the member of North | :57:39. | :57:39. | |
forward. Personally I am excited it is clear that people are looking | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
forward. Personally I am excited about the prospect that lies before | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
us as I believe we have a genuine opportunity is to have new | :57:49. | :57:50. | |
relationships and trade deals to make this country even better, | :57:51. | :57:52. | |
taking us forward proudly unsuccessfully. The great repeal | :57:53. | :58:08. | |
Beale will be the start of going forward and I am confident this | :58:09. | :58:10. | |
government will and must safeguard Annan and is the employer and human | :58:11. | :58:18. | |
rights, holding dear the British values we all share. We should be | :58:19. | :58:20. | |
mindful that we are not leaving Europe, we are leaving the EU. As I | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
mentioned, 57% of those are voted in Derby voted to leave and I feel we | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
have responsibility to negotiate the very best deal, not just for the | :58:30. | :58:32. | |
people of Derby, but for the people of this country as a whole. | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
Democracy is about listening to the people and as my honourable friend | :58:38. | :58:39. | |
from Sleaford and North Hykeham said in her excellent maiden speech, this | :58:40. | :58:46. | |
is not a request, it was an instruction. Mr Speaker, there | :58:47. | :58:53. | |
should therefore camp, there should be a time for us to come together | :58:54. | :59:06. | |
and not be divided on this decision. Our responsible it is to the public | :59:07. | :59:14. | |
that we represent. And that is why I will be supporting this bill. I | :59:15. | :59:27. | |
welcome this debate here today. It has been a good debate with people | :59:28. | :59:36. | |
opening the heart and telling the honest facts as they see it. And | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
this is a historic decision. A decision that we are taking in | :59:40. | :59:41. | |
Parliament. But let us not forget that the decision has already been | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
delivered by the people of the United Kingdom. They have at the | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
receipt. We gave them the opportunity to have their say and | :59:50. | :59:57. | |
they have had it. It has not been as was indicated here earlier today, | :59:58. | :00:10. | |
that it was an act of madness of this House. I deplore that | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
suggestion. This was a decision that was delivered by the people and we | :00:19. | :00:20. | |
must respect it. Yes? People can have their views and I can respect | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
those views any year as well. But I live in a constituency which is | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
right out in the west of the United Kingdom. I am bordered by four | :00:27. | :00:35. | |
counties in the Republic of Ireland. So we need to have flexibility. But | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
let us move on and get that flexibility. Let us have that Common | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
travel area, let us have an open border, as open as possible, so that | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
we can have good friendships with the rest with the European Union, | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
when we leave the European Union. Because we are not leaving Europe. | :00:50. | :00:57. | |
We are as good as Europeans as anybody. Our ancestors went and | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
fought for Europe. We went the same as our colleagues from Scotland, | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
England Wales and many other Commonwealth countries as well. We | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
went and help those Europeans and we still want that Common relationship. | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
But the people have delivered a decision for us. I think it is more | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
important now that we look to how we make the best of that decision. We | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
need to get the best for all constituents, for the people of the | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
United Kingdom. And the only way to do that is to work in harmony as far | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
as reasonably possible. I am happy to give way. I thank the | :01:23. | :01:39. | |
honourable member for giving way. Would he agree that we have | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
unfettered access to travel across these islands and | :01:47. | :02:01. | |
borrowing... I agree with the honourable member. | :02:02. | :02:18. | |
We are Northern Ireland support that position. What we wanted for the all | :02:19. | :02:32. | |
of the United Kingdom. There is a great trade between the Republic of | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
Ireland and Great Britain. Great trade between Northern Ireland and | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
the Republic of Ireland and we want to see that flourish. | :02:38. | :02:47. | |
One of the benefits of making a later contribution is the | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
opportunity to reflect on earlier speeches and one came from the late | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
yesterday evening when the member for Austen and Skegness, a supporter | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
of remain in the referendum but representing a constituency voting | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
to leave, set it very clearly why it is important to recognise the result | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
of the referendum and we should vote to deliver the wishes of | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
constituents and country. That is my position. Last week I met with some | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
schoolchildren in my constituency on a visit and I got some pretty | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
serious questions, which is why did I vote remain. I explained why I | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
thought remaining was better for businesses and gave us a sense of | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
certainty. They asked me why so many people voted to leave and I said | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
that I believed people were attracted by the proposition of | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
taking control particularly over immigration, and then they came up | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
with a tough one, what happens next? Today's debate is all about this, | :03:45. | :03:56. | |
the next two years. We have a clear and simple bill before us | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
representing the result of the July - June referendum. I supported the | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
decision to give the people a say. It was in the Conservative Party | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
manifesto and 2015 my constituents gave me a significantly larger | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
majority in parliament voted 6-1 in favour, so it follows that support | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
for the referendum requires respect its outcome and as the member for | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
Bedfordshire argued, I can't see how anyone can suggest otherwise. We | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
didn't have a decision on this over 40 years, the body we are member of | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
has changed and it is harrowing night we had that decision, but has | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
with the United States election, if we ask a public a question we | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
shouldn't be too surprised if they come up with an unexpected answer | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
and it is our job to implement that. The decision presents us with | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
opportunities and that was borne out to meet any discussion with the | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
small business owner in my community. He joined me and handing | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
out leaflets but he described the referendum decision, as a business | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
owner pitching to retain custom for his business, and we are that | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
decision had gone against that company, the customer decided not to | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
renew. A businessman has to start to look elsewhere for other deals and | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
that is precisely the approach this government has taken today with the | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
formation of a new department for international trade, making deals | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
for new partners and managing the process of leaving. I have | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
misgivings about the route we are about to go down but we must respect | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
the wishes of the people and bring forward a bill to support | :05:44. | :05:44. |