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Order. Ten minute rule motion. Mr Peter Alldays. I beg to move that

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lead be given to bring in a bill to require the inclusion of vehicle

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fuel receipts on the amount of tax made to require all fuel pumps to

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display the amount of taxes paid when dispensing fuel and for

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connected purposes. Mr Speaker, this bill calls for all taxes to be

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clearly shown on fuel receipts. Its principle is very simple. The tax

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issue be clear to the people who pay them. At the moment they are not.

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The bill provides motorists with a far better clarity on what they are

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paid. A simple breakdown of fuel duty, VAT and VAT on duty. There is

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no reason why these measures should be unnecessarily burdensome or

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expensive to businesses. I understand for the Treasury who are

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advising motorists contacting them in support of this build that it

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will be in practical to introduce it. My response would be that VAT,

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one of the taxes in question, is already shown on receipts and all

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that is required for fuel duty to also be shown is a simple

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calculation, multiplying the number of litres by the duty per litre. The

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software cost of doing this is minimal. With prices at the pounds

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rising to the highest levels for over two years and total taxation of

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fuel bills hovering between 65 and 70%, it it is also important that

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government are open and transparent. Surely it is right that the nation's

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37 million drivers should see the magnitude of the tax that they pay

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every time they fill up their tanks? The government must be commended for

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freezing fuel duties since 2011. However the UK remains one of the

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most costliest nations in which to fill up with diesel and petrol. This

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is solely due to the high tax component in pump pricing. The

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amount of tax remains a huge issue for drivers. This is a tax, Mr

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Speaker, on a resource that over 70% of people have no choice to buy in

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order to go about their everyday lives. Total fuel duty revenue is

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approximately ?27 billion per annum, with an additional 20% VAT on the

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duty itself, bringing in an extra ?5.24 billion. Once drivers find out

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about the on fuel duty, a tax on a tax, it really perplexes and rankles

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them. The bill aims to give motorists what my honourable friend

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the member for Ipswich has secured for taxpayers in general as a result

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of the statements of taxation bill but he presented on the 25th of

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January 2012 and which was subsequently included in the 2012

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budget and was introduced in 2014. As a result of his initiative,

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taxpayers now see how the money is spent, broken down area by area of

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government spending. Council taxpayers have the same

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right, the bills they receive in spring itemise what which each

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authority will receive and invariably the Bill comes with a

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letter from council leaders explaining what they will do with

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our money. It is only right that hard-pressed motorists are put on

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the same level playing field rather than being continually exploited as

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a cash cow. The member for Ipswich's initiative was an important step

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along the road to full fuel tax transparency. It is now important to

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complete this journey so that motorists are also able to hold

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government to account. It must always be remembered that it is

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their money, not the state's I commend my Right Honourable friend,

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the member for Harlow who presented a very similar Bill to this on the

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16th of October 2012. She has been a real champion for motorists and it's

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important we build on the great work that he did in helping secure

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successive increases of fuel duty. It is also appropriate to pay

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tribute to the tremendous campaigning work of Fair Fuel Uk and

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their founders Quentin Willson and Howard Cox, for standing up for

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motorists at every turn of the road. I'm grateful for the support I've

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been provided by the APPG for fair fuel, chaired by my honourable

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friend, the member for Dover. It is also appropriate to highlight the

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pump watch act fair fuel UK are launching to show how much UK

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drivers would pay for the same number of litres that they have just

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bought if they had bought them in 23 other countries. I'm afraid, Mr

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Speaker, that the UK does not occupy a good position in this particular

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league table. Mr Speaker, I will set out four reasons why I believe there

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is a compelling case for introducing this Bill. Firstly, there is the

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need for transparency. To be open, upfront and honest with who as

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taxpayers have been taken for granted for too long. The magnitude

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of the tax paid every time drivers fill up at the pumps has been hidden

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from them for decades. UK drivers continue to pay the highest fuel

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duty in the world for diesels and the fifth highest for petrol. There

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is a need for transparency so that the country's 37 million drivers can

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see how much they contribute to public services and our economy. The

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traditional VAT only fuel receipts which are given to us at petrol

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stations and which invariably we file away in the Glock compartment

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must end now and be replaced by open and complete tax information. --

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glove compartment. This time drivers will be able to see every time they

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fill up their vehicles where their hard earned cash is going and going

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in the Treasury and in what form. Fuel duty, VAT and VAT on duty. Mr

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Speaker, when prices at the pumps fell to around ?1 per litre in 2016

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the tax that the government took from drivers reached 75%. What other

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huge tax contribution is kept hidden from those who pay it? I believe

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that there is an obligation on government to be open with UK

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drivers regarding the taxes that they pay. If drivers feel that they

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are being taken for granted we are driving down a very dangerous road.

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There is a need to be completely upfront to show motorists what they

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are paying. Secondly, it is important to highlight the

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progressive nature of fuel duty. In particular, it hits hard working

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families and those Jams whose recent challenges we have highlighted. 90%

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of journeys are by road, 70% of drivers have no choice but to use

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their vehicles to go to work, to drive their children to school, to

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take their elderly parents to hospital and to go out for the day

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with their families. I see the problem for myself in my own way

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from the constituency where wages are below the national average with

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many people having no choice but to use their cars to get to work. Quite

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often travelling long distances to places like Norwich, Ipswich and

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Felixstowe. And where there is also a limited number of petrol stations

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from which to buy fuel. Waveney motorists, like so many in similar

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areas across the country, I hit hard by this triple whammy. Mr Speaker, I

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sensed time is ticking. My third point is that it is important to

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highlight the impact that fuel duty has on the economy. Since 2011 the

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Treasury has listened to the carefully researched and evidence

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-based fair fuel campaign to free duty, care fuel UK proved that the

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level of fuel duty directly impacts on the success of the economy and

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creation of jobs, level of job creation, investment by small and

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medium-sized businesses and consumer spending. My fourth point, Mr Deputy

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Speaker, is the enormous groundswell of support these measures have

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across the country as a whole and around this chamber. In conclusion,

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Mr Deputy Speaker, the Bill is targeted at the nation's 37 million

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drivers, to all our constituents, so that they can see how much they are

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contributing to the public purse. Our public services and promoting

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economic growth. The clandestinely fuel tax receipt must end and must

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be replaced with open, straightforward and complete tax

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information for all drivers which they can see every time they fill up

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their vehicles. It is a straightforward Bill. It will

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provide straightforward transparency on fuel duty, on what people pay and

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where their money goes. It will make the taxation system more honest. It

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will spark a debate as to whether the motorist should continue to be

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used as the nation's tax cow and how the money is spent. Mr Speaker, I

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have expended your patience and I hope the whole house supports this

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Bill. Mr Speaker the honourable gentleman has never strained my

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patients, it is always a pleasure to listen to his mellifluous tones and

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I noticed as he made his case he singled handedly relegated me to the

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status of Deputy Speaker. For which, of course, I'm extremely grateful.

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The question is that the honourable member have leave to bring in the

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Bill. As many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no". I

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think the ayes have it, the ayes have it. Who will prepare and bring

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in the Bill. I apologise for that error. Mr Speaker, the Bill will be

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brought in by Mr Alistair Carmichael, Angus Brendan MacNeil,

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Martin Vickers, Danny Kinahan, Charlie Elphicke, Margaret Ritchie,

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Maria Caulfield, Drew Hendry, Rishi Sunak, Jim Fitzpatrick, James

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Cartlidge and myself. Vehicle fuel, publication of tax

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information Bill, Second Reading. What a? 24th of February. -- what

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Dave. 24th of February, thank you. The clerk will be the orders of the

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day. European union withdrawal Bill, motion for Second Reading.

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The original question was that the Bill be read a second time. Since

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when an amendment has been proposed as on the order paper. The question

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is that the amendment be made. Just before I call the Right Honourable

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gentleman for Doncaster North who will open proceedings today, I

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should point out that there is an initial, but it will be a very short

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lived time limit on backbench speeches of eight minutes. Ed

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Miliband. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to say at the outset of this

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debate that this is clearly a fateful moment in the country's

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history and I think the excellent speeches on day one of this debate

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reflected the gravity of the moment. I also want to say, Mr Speaker, we

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should all respect the way in which colleagues on all sides of the House

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are wrestling with their consciences as they decide to vote on this Bill,

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nobody should pretend it is easy. For me the actions I'm going to take

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tonight I determined by the result on June the 23rd. In case the House

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needs reminding, Mr Speaker, I didn't want this referendum. And

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indeed, I made a strong case to my colleagues and indeed decided my

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party would not support David Cameron's decision in the last

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Parliament. The reason was that I felt the country had many, many

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other problems if faced and that the referendum would become as much

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about the state of the country is about Britain's place in Europe, and

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indeed I believe that is partly what happened. But, Mr Speaker, I believe

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that is water under the bridge. I took part in the referendum

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campaign, I said I would accept the result, and I do. That is why I will

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be voting for Second Reading tonight. I will in a moment... Part

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of the reasons I will vote the way I will be voting tonight is I think

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this referendum in part from a deep frustration about politics and a

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sense of disaffection from politics that there is in the country. And

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therefore, I think a heightened reason for saying that this process

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must begin is we do not want to give the sense that people having voted

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for Brexit, because they felt they had been ignored, are being ignored

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once again. I'm grateful to my honourable friend for giving way and

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I accept the result of the country and in my constituency. Does he

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agree with me that nobody remain or leave, voted to become poorer and

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the test for the government is to produce that prosperous pro Brexit

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Britain and a deal that isn't the best interests of Britain? My

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honourable friend puts the point very well and I wanted to come onto

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that because our responsibilities don't end tonight or indeed with the

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passing of this Bill, Mr Speaker. I believe it is deeply problematic

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that the government is embarking on this process without an economic

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analysis, objective analysis of its implications, without clarity on key

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issues like the customs union, without any sense of what the

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transitional arrangements might look like, and on the basis of what I

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believe is a fanciful proposition that all of this can be tied up

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within 18 months including the future arrangements. Now, a number

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of speakers on day one powerfully made the point that given the

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paucity of information we have been given before Article 50 is to be

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triggered it is even more important that there is proper Parliament with

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scrutiny, including a meaningful vote in this House before the end of

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the process. The Prime Minister's apparent wish to say that choice

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will be given is to accept that her deal, or face a hard Brexit on WTO

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terms in my view would be quite wrong. That is a take it or leave it

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option which flies completely in the face of the central proposition that

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won this referendum which was take back control and Parliamentary

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sovereignty. I hope members, and I particularly say this to members on

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the other side, however they voted in this referendum, will support

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amendments which seek to ensure there is proper Parliamentary

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sovereignty throughout this process. I actually believe, Mr Speaker, that

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Parliamentary scrutiny will help the government, it will improve any deal

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that is made, it will strengthen their hand with the European Union

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and actually it will make it more likely that the Prime Minister ends

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up with a deal which has the support it needs in the country. With my

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Right Honourable friend give way? Would he not agree with me that

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without the safeguards that he seeks there may be a crock of something at

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the end of the rainbow but it just may not be gold?

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Well, she puts it very well. I think it is deeply uncertain, and I think

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the truth is that the government has not really levelled with the country

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about the trade-offs. At the moment they are saying they can have

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everything and I fear that pretty soon in the negotiations we will

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discover that is not the case. Mr Speaker, I want to focus on her

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remarks, not on the economic questions which were well worn

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yesterday, but on another equally important issue which has received

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less attention in the debate but I think is absolutely crucial, which

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is our place in the world and foreign policy relationships after

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Brexit. The foundation of our foreign policy

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for a generation has rested on a special relationship with the United

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States and the European Union. Under the last government and this

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government, a commitment to the rule of law on human rights, climate

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change, all of these have been bound up with our relationship with the

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European Union. I do think we should be under any illusions. There is a

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real risk of our departure that our influence in the world is weakened.

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I negotiated on climate change for the last Labour government. Our

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strength, power and standing came through our membership of the

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European Union because we were 10% of global emissions, not just 1% of

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global emissions. I will give way in a second. Therefore I believe the

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house should recognise that this question of what strategic

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relationship comes after Brexit is fundamental to the issue of real

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sovereignty. Our ability to have an effect on the things that will

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affect us. I give way briefly. Is he not concerned though, and he raises

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an important issue about the future of ourselves and the European Union,

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but is he not concerned that the R 139 overseas posts and is he

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asserting the authority of the European Union over the member

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states. We will be reasserting sovereignty. The question is what

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comes next in all of us need to address ourselves to that question.

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Of course the terrible irony, in my view, is that our European

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corporation is so clearly now needed with the election of President

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Trump. -- cooperation. I believe in a special relationship with the

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United States, but it must be based on values. The Foreign Secretary

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said after the election of President Trump, he is a guy, that is

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President Trump by the way, who believes in values that I believe in

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as well. Freedom and democracy. I don't agree and I hope one

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reflection after a few days of President Trump the Foreign

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Secretary doesn't agree either. My central point is this. I can go

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along with the Prime Minister that Brexit means Brexit, but I cannot go

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along with the idea that Brexit means Trump, and nor do I believe

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that that is... And nor do I believe that that is inevitable and nor do I

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believe that that is what the British people want either. But the

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danger of this, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister feels it is an

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inevitable consequence that we are driven into the arms of President

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Trump. So what should be done? The Lancaster house speech was no doubt

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an improvement in tone on what had gone before, but not one of the

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Prime Minister's 12 principal spoke about things like climate change. I

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hope the government can come up with an architecture for foreign and

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statistical operation with the European Union and not just an ad

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hoc arrangement. This will be intergovernmental, but there are

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many issues from Russia to refugees, climate to defence where we will be

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stronger not weaker if we have institutions which mean cooperation

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between ourselves and the European Union. We don't just mean the right

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institutions, but they must be founded on strategic orientation

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which continues to value our role in Europe. We must be willing, even as

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we leave the EU, to join with our European allies whose values we

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share on human rights and human law. Where has the co-ordinated response

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to the Trump Muslim ban bin and why has the government not been pushing

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for it? As I understand it... I will give way, but I want to get to the

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end. Be dual citizenship exam shunned the UK has one will only be

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extended to New Zealand, Australia and Canada. It's good we have the

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exemption, but we should be standing in solidarity with our European

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allies asking for this the end. In the wake of President Trump Ozma

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election, foreign ministers agreed a joint statement on the continuing

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need for a two state region. There were continually blocked. It is no

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wonder that your fears we are throwing in our lot with President

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Trump and turning our back on them and I said this, no good will come

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of this. These are a test of who we are as a nation, our values and how

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we intend to imply them in the years ahead. We have designed rules and

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promoted them, but the alternative is far far worse. Incidentally,

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surely there must be no more talk, particularly in the current context

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where human rights in so much at risk of us leaving the European

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Convention on human rights. I hope the government will have been

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prompted by President Trump Ozma first few days in office to think

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about the approach. History will judge us not only on the decisions

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we make on this bill tonight, but beyond. The government has a heavy

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responsibility. We expect them to exercise it on behalf of the whole

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nation, not just the 52% and for that we will hold them to account in

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the months and years ahead. The right Honourable gentleman spoke as

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he always has with passion for an international Britain and European

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solution to many of the problems we face. Democracy is easy to defend

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when you agree with the majority because you have the advantage of

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many other political systems like dictatorships that you get your way,

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but you have the added advantage of legitimacy and popular consent.

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Democracy is much more difficult when you disagree with the majority

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and as people know, I argued passionately in this referendum that

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I felt leaving the European Union would weaken Britain's trade and

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commercial links, that it would diminish Britain on the world stage,

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but it would make more difficult international approaches to things

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like climate change, or atomic research and it would also weaken a

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multilateral institution, the European Union, which has been vital

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to our collective security for many decades. I made those arguments and

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it saddens me that Britain and Brexit is bracketed in the same

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group as other isolationists and nativists movements around the world

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at the moment and we should strive to be, as the Prime Minister says, a

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more global Britain. But I lost the case. I made it with passion, I

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sacrificed my position in government for it and in the end we have to now

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except... I bought make some progress and then take some

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interventions. We had two accept that in a democracy, the majority

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has spoken, and whilst I am a passionate believer in an open

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internationalist free trading Britain, I am also a passionate

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believer in Britain as a democracy and it is unfashionable in schools

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these days to teach what I believe is a true tale of our nation's

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history which stretches from the Magna Carta to the glorious

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Revolution. The founding fathers of the American revolution, female

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emancipation and the like, but we have given the modern world version

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of democracy that has spread far beyond our shores. Therefore to vote

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against the majority verdict of the largest democratic exercise in

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British history, I think would risk putting parliament against people.

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It will provoke a deep constitutional crisis in our

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country. I think it would alienate people who already feel they are

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alienated and I am not prepared to do that, Mr Speaker. So I will be

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voting for the bill tonight. I wish to make some progress and I want

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others to have a chance to speak, so I won't take interventions from the

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other side or indeed my side. The point I would make however is this.

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There was a mandate to leave the European Union, but that was the

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only question that was asked of the British people in that referendum

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and I don't think we can assume that there were a set of answers from the

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British public to the questions we now face is a parliament. Indeed

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those questions are now entrusted to us as we approach these

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negotiations. I call the negotiations. Personally, I do think

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they are going to resemble the negotiations we currently read about

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in the media and in newspapers. The truth is that while Britain is

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seeking the maximum possible access to the single market for goods and

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for services and while we hope that the fact that we have a trade

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deficit and a very important financial centre will count in our

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favour, the government has chosen, and I respect this decision, not to

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make economy the priority in this negotiation. They have prioritised

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immigration control and removing European Court of Justice

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jurisdiction from the United Kingdom and in that sense asserting

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parliamentary sovereignty, although I would point out that Parliament

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can choose to leave the EU as we are choosing to do in the coming days.

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Not prioritising the economy, although we hope the best possible

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arrangement. The European Union is not prioritising the economy either

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in these negotiations. Having spent the last couple of weeks in Berlin

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and Paris talking to some of the French and political leaders it is

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clear that while they understand that Britain is a very important

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market for their businesses, the priority is to maintain the

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integrity of the remaining 27 members of the European Union. They

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are not interested in a long and complex hybrid agreement with the

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United Kingdom and so therefore both sides at the moment are heading for

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a clean break from the United -- from the European Union for the

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United Kingdom. In the end the negotiations will come down to how

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the break is achieved. The Prime Minister in her speech a couple of

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weeks ago made it clear that Britain is seeking a transition agreement.

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It's not possible for this Parliament to introduce all the

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domestic legislation that will be required to replicate the

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arrangements that we currently have with the European Union, even with

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the great repeal act, and we will need to have some kind of bridge to

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the free trade agreement that we seek with the European Union. At the

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same time the European Union needs from us financial commitments that

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it believes we entered into to pay for European projects that were

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undertaken while we remember and in practice what that means is that the

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negotiations will be a trade-off, as all divorce is art, between access

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and money, and we will try and scale down our payments to the European

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Union while scaling down our commitment to European Union rules

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and access until we reach that free trade agreement which we hope to

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negotiate. To be honest, I will just finished my speech and others can

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speak. That's what the negotiations will be like. I suspect it will be

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bitter. I spent four years negotiating with my French

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counterpart and I would advise the Secretary of State to be well

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briefed and packed a packet of pro plus because there will be long

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nights ahead. We don't forget the fundamental reasons why Britain in

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the first place wanted to be part of the European Common market, nor do

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we allow the Europeans to forget there was a fundamental reason they

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created a European Community, which was to bring the nations of Europe

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together and that we try and keep those thoughts alive as we exited

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the EU. The final thing I want to say is this. We have made a decision

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to leave the European Union and as the successful Leave campaign put

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it, to take back control. That does mean a series of issues will come to

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this Parliament that completely divide Brexiteers from each other,

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Remainers from each other, they divide conservatives and members of

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other parties. We will have very lively debates about free trade. You

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are beginning to seek a Prime Minister's Questions about what kind

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of agricultural produce we want in the country, or the kind of public

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procurement contracts we want. We'll have a lively debate about

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immigration, how many people we want here and how do we welcome school

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people? How do we support our universities and scientific research

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institutions? We will argue about agricultural subsidies on whether we

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are happy for the poorest people to pay taxes and subsidies to some of

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the richest. I will be in those fights in the couple of years ahead.

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Thank you. Mr Speaker: I start by congratulating the former Chancellor

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on his speech which was a good deal shorter and a great deal less

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lucrative than the ones he is used to giving these days. As has been

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pointed out to the Tory benches, he is anything but cheap these days,

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but can I say to the former Chancellor, they may have argued the

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case with passion during the campaign, but it was his tendency to

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take Treasury forecasts as to the long-term damage that will be done

:31:56.:31:59.

by withdrawal from the single market in terms of GDP and wealth for this

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country and turned them into apocalyptic emergency budget

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scaremongering that was one of the main reasons they lost the campaign.

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Campaigns have to be built on more than fear. I won't talk about the

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politics, economics -- I want to talk about the politics, economy and

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Scotland. There was a time when the house was gripped by collective

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madness. That time of history was Iraq, when this house was mesmerised

:32:37.:32:41.

by a strong Prime Minister into the blood and disaster of the Iraqi war,

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but it's certainly not mesmerising rhetoric that is responsible for mad

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MP disease in this case. One MP compared it to Alice in Wonderland,

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but Alice only took herself into the hole. This Prime Minister is taking

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virtually all of the Tory party, half the Labour Party and the entire

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country into the hole. It is politically crazy what is being

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done. It was said Britain had lost its

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empire and was yet to find its role. Listening to the speeches of the

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Tory backbenchers yesterday I wasn't sure if they were Rekik --

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reconciled to the Empire's loss. Balancing that with a special

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relationship with the United States of America. A German Chancellor once

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said the relationship was special because only one side knew about it

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and that is certainly true, but nonetheless it was a rational

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policy. Some prime ministers took it far too far into the desert of Iran

:33:52.:33:56.

but nonetheless it was a rational, logical policy. But you can't pursue

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that policy of influence in Europe and all of the good things that come

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from it as the Right Honourable member for Doncaster reminded us.

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Cut Batov and then pursue the special relationship with the United

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States of America. -- cut that offer. That Leeds Youth Court in the

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headlights like the Prime Minister was earlier this week when asked to

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condemn the obvious thing any human being would have condemned. She

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refuses to do it three times in case she offends her new best friend in

:34:29.:34:40.

the White House. -- that leaves you caught in the headlights. Moving

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towards President like that will leave you

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more and more embarrassed. And then there is the economic damage. Yes, I

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will. Earlier on my honourable friend mentioned the issue about

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climatic change in relationship the American President. He said he will

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tear up those agreements and where will Britain stand Ben? What support

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will it get? -- example of the embarrassments to come. There is

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nothing wrong with the forecasts about coming out of the Single

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Market place, even if there is a bespoke deal there will be a 6% loss

:35:20.:35:24.

in GDP. Can my Right Honourable friend help my understanding that it

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was the Tories that wanted to safeguard British interests in the

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Single Market? Am I correct in recalling that in the manifesto? In

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the Tory 2015 manifesto it is not my bedtime reading. But as I remember

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it was Page 72 and it said we say yes to the Single Market and they

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were right to say yes. It is funny yesterday that all of the

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Conservative speakers remembered that commitment to a referendum and

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not one of them remembered their commitment to the Single Market

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place. And, of course, it wasn't the case that a withdrawal from the

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European Community means a withdrawal from the Single Market

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place. I had the pleasure during the campaign of debating with Daniel

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Hannan NEP who said, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening

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our place in the Single Market -- MEP. Of course it is possible to

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honour the result of the referendum and stay within the Single Market

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place. Even if you think they will be a Nexit from the Single Market

:36:25.:36:28.

place it is madness in diplomatic negotiating terms to abandon that

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position now. You should keep the place in the Single Market place and

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allow the other European countries to negotiate you out of it, not give

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it away before the first word is spoken in the negotiations. Next, Mr

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Speaker, we come to the procedures of this House. This is the list of

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amendments stretching to 100 and more pages, 103 now. We are told

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this is to be debated in three days. The Scotland Bill which was not the

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greatest constitutional change in history 18 months ago, six days of

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debate. I would say to the members, like the honourable member for

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Doncaster North who listed all of the things wrong with the

:37:13.:37:15.

Government's approach, if you believe that now you should vote

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against the government, or if you can't do that at least four

:37:19.:37:23.

programme motion that would make it possible to make the sensible

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changes that the Right Honourable gentleman outlined. So, procedurally

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of course. This is deficient and it has been pointed out well yesterday.

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It is not just deficient in terms of the time, it is also deficient in

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terms of the question that will eventually be put before this House.

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The final vote on the deal that comes back from a Prime Minister who

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said no deal is better than a bad deal. And, therefore, the choice the

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House will get us a bad Deal or no deal. And, therefore, it is crucial

:37:58.:38:00.

that when the House debates that and comes to a decision there is a

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meaningful vote, a vote that can make a difference as opposed to

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Hobson's choice made with a metaphorical gun at this House's

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head. One last thing. I am grateful to be Right Honourable member will

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for giving way but on that point if we are in a situation where the only

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deal on the table is a bad deal does he agree with me that the

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responsibility for that being an eventuality will lie with the Prime

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Minister. It is not as if she can deny responsibility for that being a

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problem. Yes I would, but finding out it was the Prime Minister's

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responsibility will avail this country of very little, far better

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to make sure via our votes that we get a realistic choice that can

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actually make a difference. Finally, Mr Speaker, I come to the situation

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in Scotland. Scotland has a 1000 year history as a European nation

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Sir William Wallace's unjust trial in this hall, for which presumably

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he will get a pardon at some point soon, after his greatest victory in

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the Battle of Stirling Bridge, which was a kin to Leicester winning the

:39:11.:39:13.

Premier League last season in terms of an upset surprise, his first act

:39:14.:39:21.

was not to hold a ceilidh but to write the Hanseatic league to secure

:39:22.:39:24.

Scotland's trading concessions across Europe at that time Liebig

:39:25.:39:32.

and elsewhere. The importance of Scotland's European connections

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stretches back a millennium and we're not going to allow this

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non-vision act of madness from this House take Scotland out of these

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connections. The Scottish Government have book for the proposition

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Scotland's place in Europe, which offers the Prime Minister the way

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for Scotland to stay within the Single Market place regardless of

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what she wants to do to this country. The Prime Minister said

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today if ritual as border in Ireland was quite possible under the

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circumstances without realising that, of course, if it is possible

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in Ireland it's possible in Scotland as well and I see the honourable

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member nodding because in the early hours of this morning I think I saw

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him say much the same thing in a debate, or perhaps it was one of his

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honourable friends in Hartog, a sad case of watching hard talk at 1am.

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-- hard talk. It was the honourable member for Esher and Walton. It is

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important to understand these examples are taking place in Europe

:40:33.:40:35.

at the present moment. The Prime Minister has it within her power and

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capacity to agree to accept the proposals, the compromise proposals

:40:41.:40:45.

of the Scottish Government and allow Scotland as a nation to retain that

:40:46.:40:48.

trading place within the European context. But if that is not happen

:40:49.:40:54.

and if the South says we are going to go ahead with hard Tory Brexit or

:40:55.:40:58.

full English Brexit as we are calling it in Scotland now, we are

:40:59.:41:03.

going to sweep aside the concerns from across this House in terms of

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economic and political damage, we're not going to accept the proposals

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from Scotland to follow the votes of people in the nation of Scotland and

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retain our European connection, we're not interested in Scottish

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jobs or investment and preserving that. If that is the criteria and

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attitude of government, if that is what this Prime Minister wants to do

:41:23.:41:27.

with Scotland, if she is determined to throw down the gauntlet then she

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can be absolutely sure that Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister will pick

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it up. SPEAKER: Order. Maiden speech, Doctor Caroline Johnson.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Lease. Max Clifford Abdennour Pike is not only

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the constituency that am proud to represent, it is my home. And I feel

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a personal responsibility to nurture it -- Sleaford and North high come.

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It is a predominantly agricultural area with pockets of industry and a

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strong military tradition. The town of North Hykeham is built on top of

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the old Roman road, the Fosse Way. To the south is Sleaford where one

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is welcome by the Handley monument, it is a large ornate stone structure

:42:23.:42:28.

with a statue of Henry Hanley within it. Who was the MP for South

:42:29.:42:35.

Lincolnshire from 1832 to 1841. He was such a popular MP that the

:42:36.:42:40.

townspeople created this memorial in his honour. It is not clear now

:42:41.:42:45.

whether he was so popular for his innovative ideas regarding science

:42:46.:42:50.

and technology in farming, or whether it was because of his strong

:42:51.:42:54.

opposition to the taxation of malt. Nevertheless, it is clear that I

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have a lot to live up to. My predecessor was Stephen Phillips,

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who like his own predecessor Douglas Hogg, is a silk. They brought great

:43:06.:43:09.

intellect and legal acumen to this House. Stephen is particularly to be

:43:10.:43:17.

commended for his work on the Public Accounts Committee. But possibly his

:43:18.:43:20.

greatest virtue is his sense of timing. He resigned at exactly the

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right time for me to be able to stand for this seat.

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LAUGHTER I would like to thank Stephen for

:43:30.:43:32.

his personal encouragement which he has given to me in this endeavour. I

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would also like to thank the many members of this House who has given

:43:38.:43:42.

me wonderful support, especially those for Newark, Sherwood, Boston

:43:43.:43:46.

and Skegness, to whom I'm very grateful. In these challenging

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times, Mr Speaker, I promise to uphold the fine traditions of the

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House and serve my constituents to the best of my ability, ensuring

:43:53.:43:56.

that their voices are heard as we move forward. As a new MP it is

:43:57.:44:02.

right for me to explain briefly who I am. I am a mother of three, a

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farmer's wife and a product of a loving family. I am a consultant

:44:08.:44:13.

paediatrician and, therefore, have particular interests in the health,

:44:14.:44:17.

education and general well-being of children. I am also a committed

:44:18.:44:24.

Brexit tear. And I am also interested in farming,

:44:25.:44:27.

infrastructure and defence. I am not a silk, nor even a lawyer but I have

:44:28.:44:31.

firm principles based on what I believe to be morally right and the

:44:32.:44:36.

ideal of democracy under the rule of law. I've spent all my working life

:44:37.:44:41.

as a doctor in the NHS and care passionately about it. The NHS is

:44:42.:44:48.

not perfect. In fact, I doubt any organisation as large and so

:44:49.:44:50.

dependent on human judgment ever could be. However, whilst there are

:44:51.:44:56.

areas which could be improved I feel many are too quick to decried the

:44:57.:45:01.

falls within the NHS without adequately recognising the brilliant

:45:02.:45:05.

work which is done day in and day out, helping more people than ever

:45:06.:45:11.

before. I look forward to contributing my knowledge and

:45:12.:45:14.

experience to help ensure that the NHS goes from strength to strength.

:45:15.:45:20.

Improving the well-being of children remains a topic close to my heart. I

:45:21.:45:24.

am delighted with the Government's commitment to young people's

:45:25.:45:28.

mental-health. We must ensure that young people with mental health

:45:29.:45:32.

issues have access to right treatment. However, as with physical

:45:33.:45:36.

health we must also focus on prevention, and in my view they

:45:37.:45:40.

should include improvements in children's social care and helping

:45:41.:45:45.

to foster resilience. Resilience is very important. I feel we let down

:45:46.:45:49.

children with the old must have prizes culture. Young people should

:45:50.:45:52.

be allowed to understand their strengths and weaknesses by being

:45:53.:45:57.

allowed to compete and take control risks, to win, and also to lose, and

:45:58.:46:01.

learn from that experience which better prepares them for the

:46:02.:46:04.

challenges they face in life ahead. It is a privilege to give my maiden

:46:05.:46:10.

speech today in this historic debate. As someone new to the world

:46:11.:46:16.

of Westminster the greatest surprise to me was so many seemed surprised

:46:17.:46:21.

by the results of this referendum. I was brought up to believe that a

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good democracy is ruled by the majority with protection for

:46:26.:46:31.

minorities. As I talk to my constituents, however, I

:46:32.:46:33.

increasingly understand that they perceive we have ruled by a vote

:46:34.:46:38.

called minority of each disregarding the views of the majority and they

:46:39.:46:43.

are angry. Why is this important? Well, because so many seem to have

:46:44.:46:47.

been surprised by the Brexit vote because they failed to understand

:46:48.:46:51.

the genuine concerns of the majority. This disconnect with the

:46:52.:46:55.

electorate has been seen not just here but also in the results of the

:46:56.:46:59.

US presidential election and in the rise of far right parties throughout

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Europe. There can be no democracy without understanding of the views

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of the majority. These views must be respected, heard, and responded to

:47:10.:47:12.

by the members of this House. There has been much debate recently as to

:47:13.:47:17.

whether the referendum was mandatory or advisory. And the relative

:47:18.:47:23.

authorities of the Government, the legislature and the judiciary. As I

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said earlier I'm not a lawyer. But I fail to understand how one can ask

:47:31.:47:34.

the electorate a question and then even consider disregarding the

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result. I believe that the referendum is an

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instruction to us. We asked the people and they set 80 honourable

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and right Honourable members want to contribute to in consequence of

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which it is necessary with immediate effect to impose a time limit. I

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would add I'm trying to ensure that everybody has a chance on who have

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already had the opportunity. What was said to the house is that it

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those word to refrain self restraint might increase, and I'm sure all

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congratulating the new member on an excellent maiden speech and I'm sure

:48:52.:49:03.

she will do if that was was anything to go by. We now have a challenge

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for this whole house over what we do over the next two years and whether

:49:08.:49:12.

that strengthens our democracy, or whether it weakens it. Over the last

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40 years Britain has worked with the EU, but we have done so by sharing

:49:21.:49:26.

sovereignty because one we went into the European Union, or the 1970s, we

:49:27.:49:35.

also had public consent, popular consent expressed through a

:49:36.:49:42.

referendum. Last summer and that should be a lesson to all of those

:49:43.:49:54.

of us who wanted to keep honourable member for Tatton, but on whether we

:49:55.:50:04.

should have done more. We could not make the and we took for granted too

:50:05.:50:11.

many of the the need for politics to In Pontefract, the home of the very

:50:12.:51:29.

first secret ballot, we still have the first ballot box and we see it

:51:30.:51:35.

as a symbol of peaceful democracy of asking people to be part of that

:51:36.:51:41.

democratic process. That democratic process does not end with the

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Article 50 vote and that is my concern about the Government's

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approach. That what they are trying to do is to concentrate power in the

:51:49.:51:55.

hands of the executive, when in fact we should be involving all of

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Parliament and involving the public in the debate about what kind of

:51:59.:52:02.

country we want to be about where our future lies. There will be

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issues we will disagree on where I feel strongly, for example, that we

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should stay inside the customs union because that will help our

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manufacturing for the future. On issues, for example, about the

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rights for EU citizens who live here already who we should not be leaving

:52:19.:52:22.

hanging in the lurch while we start negotiations when we could put them

:52:23.:52:27.

on a surer footing straightaway. There will be issues about how we

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balance so many different things, about how we get our security right,

:52:32.:52:35.

that we need to debate here in this House. But at the moment the process

:52:36.:52:40.

that the Government has set out does not give us the secure opportunities

:52:41.:52:46.

to have votes, to have debates, to ensure that we will not be left at

:52:47.:52:50.

the end of this process with what the Prime Minister has described as

:52:51.:52:53.

her way to change the British economic model if we don't get what

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we like, which sounds from this side of the House far more like a tax

:52:59.:53:02.

haven Britain that would undermine people's writes and undermined the

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kind of British values that we want to stand up for. And so, therefore,

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I would urge members on all sides of the House, not just to look at the

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array of amendments we have got, not just to decide how we respect the

:53:14.:53:20.

referendum result last summer, how we respect the different views of

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our constituents, and people will have strongly held views on all

:53:24.:53:28.

sides, but also how we, all of us from all sides of the House, vote

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for the kinds of amendments that will ensure that Parliamentary

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sovereignty is strengthened and that Parliament has a say. I would urge

:53:36.:53:39.

members on the opposite side to vote for some of those amendments to make

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sure we have a real vote on the final outcome, that we have real

:53:44.:53:46.

choices that we can make. So much of this has been about how we defend

:53:47.:53:51.

democracy by voting for Article 50. It should not be about that, it

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should be about how we strengthen democracy over the next two years.

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If this was about Parliamentary sovereignty for all of us, let us

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have the strength and the confidence to use it. Whittingdale. It is a

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pleasure to follow the right honourable lady. I didn't agree with

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with everything she said, but I agree with her congratulations to

:54:19.:54:23.

the honourable member. She made an excellent first speech and it is

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probably the case she will never speak in a more important debate in

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this house, no matter that she I am sure will have a long career here

:54:32.:54:36.

ahead of her. My first political act was to take part in the referendum

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campaign in 1975. I put leaflets through doors, calling on people to

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vote yes in that referendum. I did so because I believed in free trade

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and because I believed the assurances which were written on

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those leaflets that the decision taken would not affect the

:54:55.:54:59.

sovereignty of the UK Parliament. I was working for Margaret Thatcher

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when she first delivered the Bruges speech which highlighted the fact

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that that assurance was being steadily eroded and that the

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European Community was heading in the wrong direction and as a result

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of that when I entered this house I oppose the Maastricht Treaty as well

:55:15.:55:21.

as other treaties because it was becoming steadily clearer that was

:55:22.:55:26.

there may or may not have been economic benefits from our

:55:27.:55:30.

membership, this was a political project heading in one direction and

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that was towards the ever closer union. It was a project on which

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British people had not been consulted and which they did not

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support. I hope the Prime Minister David Cameron would have been able

:55:43.:55:45.

to negotiate an arrangement which allowed us to opt out from the

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elements we didn't want. He valiantly tried, but what he came

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back within my view was not sufficient and left us with no

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alternative. The result of the referendum was clear. In my own

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constituency was nearly two to one. It doesn't matter that the majority

:56:10.:56:17.

of younger people voted to remain, or people with degrees voted to

:56:18.:56:22.

remain in some parts of the UK voted to remain. This was a nationwide

:56:23.:56:27.

referendum and the British people spoke. I agree with Prime Minister

:56:28.:56:30.

that we have no alternative but to be the single market as it is

:56:31.:56:34.

essential that we have control over our borders once what we are no

:56:35.:56:39.

longer subject to European law. I really am sorry, but it is very

:56:40.:56:45.

brief. I also believe that we had to leave the customs union if the

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condition that remaining in it is that we are not able to negotiate

:56:50.:56:59.

our own trade agreements. I will point out that the new arrangements

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between the European Union and Canada and between the European

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Union and Ukraine offered no application of European law in those

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countries, no free movement, but does give them access to the

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internal market and allows them to negotiate their own trade agreement.

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So the European Union is ultimately flexible and it is perfectly

:57:20.:57:24.

possible the negotiations will be complicated. I'm concerned in the

:57:25.:57:29.

areas I follow, for instance, we must have recognition of the

:57:30.:57:33.

adequacy of our data protection soap data can continue to flow across

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borders. I do believe that for European businesses it is vitally

:57:40.:57:44.

important for them that they still have access to our markets and

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therefore they will be putting pressure on their governments to

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reach a sensible deal. The one thing I found most astonishing is when

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Britain voted as it did to leave the European Union, the reaction of

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other member states seems to be more to punish Britain than to ask the

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question why. The European Union is a flawed... Geoffrey Robinson. Thank

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you, Mr Speaker, I will be brief. We've had remarkable contributions,

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there are two particular from yesterday I want to refer to fund

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the former Deputy Prime Minister and the right honourable gentleman the

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member for Rushcliffe. He has just left the Chamber and is not here to

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hear my remarks. I will be voting to night and we should examine our

:58:43.:58:51.

consciences. I voted for, argued for every menfolk. We lost it and we

:58:52.:58:56.

have to face the consequences of it in a way that both the former Deputy

:58:57.:59:02.

Prime Minister and the right honourable gentleman the member for

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Rushcliffe feel we should not. We should examine our consciences and

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the member for Doncaster nor said it is a conscience issue and to some

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extent I regret we are voting on this on a three line whip. It is a

:59:15.:59:19.

moral conscience issue we all have to take. I have more difficulty in

:59:20.:59:25.

justifying my conscience if I were tonight to vote against the bill and

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in favour if effectively delaying a frustrating the beginning of

:59:33.:59:36.

negotiations the outcome. The whole process of coming out of the

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European Union. You only have to reread what the referendum question

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was. It is so simple. Should the United Kingdom remain a member of

:59:45.:59:49.

the European union or leave the European Union. There are no ifs or

:59:50.:59:53.

buts, is a simple question that was understood by everyone who took part

:59:54.:59:58.

in that referendum. It is no good now turning round saying, we should

:59:59.:00:04.

have a second referendum and all those things. I campaigned widely,

:00:05.:00:10.

but only in the West Midlands, strongly on a remain ticket. I went

:00:11.:00:22.

out of my way to warn the Leavers what would happen. There will be no

:00:23.:00:33.

further bout of the cherry if we did not like the outcome. It's a matter

:00:34.:00:38.

of conscience if we are on the remain site and we built on the

:00:39.:00:42.

remain issue that we should act of conscience vote against the bill. On

:00:43.:00:46.

the contrary I don't believe there is conceivable material than ever

:00:47.:00:53.

doing so. To do so would betray the bases on which we conduct ourselves.

:00:54.:00:59.

All members actively taking part in the referendum spoke. So how can

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this house be involved in all influence the negotiations? In my

:01:07.:01:15.

experience, it is unreal. We have to get real about it. The issues will

:01:16.:01:20.

become clearer, choices will become clearer once we are in the

:01:21.:01:30.

negotiations. The former Chancellor brings great advice and says perhaps

:01:31.:01:37.

economics should be a big issue of the negotiations. The outcome on the

:01:38.:01:44.

economic front is the essence of what this is about as far as the

:01:45.:01:47.

working people in this country are concerned. My advice is soft Brexit

:01:48.:01:54.

and a transition period. Anything else will predict a future which

:01:55.:01:58.

will be really harsh and uncomfortable for the working people

:01:59.:02:03.

of this country. As I said yesterday, perhaps I can be forgiven

:02:04.:02:07.

for repeating it today. It will be appreciated if people stopped coming

:02:08.:02:13.

up to the chair, either asking when they will be called orderings are

:02:14.:02:19.

implicitly by enquiring whether it is OK for them to go to lunch, go to

:02:20.:02:24.

the toilet or it a biscuit. It is not necessary. All I will say is

:02:25.:02:30.

patience. Please be patient. I want to accommodate everyone, I am on

:02:31.:02:32.

your side, but it doesn't help if people keep coming up to the chair,

:02:33.:02:36.

especially when people are I understand we have to accept the

:02:37.:02:49.

outcome of democratic elections however narrow the outcome. I have

:02:50.:02:55.

to admit I was surprised by the leave result in the West Midlands

:02:56.:02:58.

given the region is in substantial trade surplus with the EU. Of course

:02:59.:03:03.

I'm delighted that the automotive industry has achieved so much

:03:04.:03:07.

success that it exports 82% of all of its cars and most of those to the

:03:08.:03:12.

other 27 countries of the EU. But it was immigration which dominated the

:03:13.:03:15.

conversations I had, even standing outside the gates of the car

:03:16.:03:21.

factory. No distinction was made between EU and non-EU migration

:03:22.:03:24.

which we now account for about 50% each. I worry that our electors

:03:25.:03:29.

expect taking back control to mean very few migrants arrive here.

:03:30.:03:35.

Whereas, how his three as an empire means there are family obligations

:03:36.:03:40.

to non-EU migrants and an absolute obligation through the Geneva and

:03:41.:03:43.

Hague conventions to provide safe haven for the most vulnerable

:03:44.:03:46.

people, many from different countries from which we drew the

:03:47.:03:53.

lines on a map. I heard mixed motors for voting leave, some

:03:54.:03:55.

second-generation migrants told me they didn't want more coming in. --

:03:56.:04:02.

motives. There will be uncharted waters negotiating things that will

:04:03.:04:06.

be vital for success, access to our principal market is key and the car

:04:07.:04:10.

industry is desperately short of engineers as its success would be

:04:11.:04:13.

choked if we can't get the skilled labour it needs. If we are honest

:04:14.:04:17.

migrants are more willing to do some jobs such as picking fruit and

:04:18.:04:21.

vegetables. A spring onion producer told me he can't rely on local

:04:22.:04:25.

labour to get the harvest in. So he must make sure horticulture is not

:04:26.:04:29.

destroyed by taking back control without being able to meet demand

:04:30.:04:33.

for labour. These aren't easy things to say in public but we are about to

:04:34.:04:37.

make a momentous decision and as the Prime Minister says we've got to

:04:38.:04:41.

make success of it. That in turn will only be achieved if we are

:04:42.:04:44.

honest about some of the problems we face. I am no starry eyed Europhile.

:04:45.:04:49.

The political leadership in Europe failed to inspire its citizens about

:04:50.:04:54.

the benefits of working together and other countries are seeing the rise

:04:55.:04:56.

of the extreme right parties who promised to solve their problems.

:04:57.:05:00.

This goes wider than Europe and the leadership of the rich nations

:05:01.:05:03.

around the world are struggling to find the answers to globalisation.

:05:04.:05:09.

In America Obama tried to extend health care to the poorest and here

:05:10.:05:13.

we have the introduction of the Living Wage. But maybe it is to

:05:14.:05:17.

places like Scandinavia we need to look for better models of wage

:05:18.:05:21.

equality and fairness in society. These are the big question is left

:05:22.:05:25.

when we exit the European Union and we will need to answer them in our

:05:26.:05:29.

own way. I expect the EU will change after we are gone because it must

:05:30.:05:34.

collectively try to find answers to the big questions of globalisation,

:05:35.:05:39.

mass migration and robotics. But in contrast to the US with decided to

:05:40.:05:43.

turn outward, not inward, partly because we have teeth, and because

:05:44.:05:47.

our heritage is one of trade and exploration. -- have two. I hope the

:05:48.:05:53.

electorate will be patient but they will judge our efforts by their

:05:54.:05:57.

experience, not on our rhetoric. I hope that all that is great about

:05:58.:06:01.

Britain is not sacrificed in pursuit of an unrealistic ambition to go

:06:02.:06:05.

back to some mythical time when we were in control of all we surveyed.

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SPEAKER: Tim Farron. Mr Speaker, she is not in her place now but I want

:06:15.:06:18.

to pay tribute to an excellent maiden speech by the Honourable

:06:19.:06:21.

member for Sleaford and North Hykeham. The Liberal Democrats have

:06:22.:06:26.

always been proud internationalists, it was the Liberals who backed

:06:27.:06:30.

Winston Churchill's European vision in the 1950s, even when his own

:06:31.:06:34.

party did not do so. Since our foundation we have been champions of

:06:35.:06:38.

Britain Buzz in the European Union for cooperation and openness with

:06:39.:06:41.

our neighbours and with our allies. We have always believed the charges

:06:42.:06:47.

Briton faces in the 21st-century, climate change, terrorism, economic

:06:48.:06:52.

instability are best tackled working together as a member of the European

:06:53.:06:56.

Union. Been proud Europeans is part of our identity as a party and

:06:57.:07:00.

actually part of my personal identity too. I was utterly gutted

:07:01.:07:05.

by the result personally. Some on the centre-left are squeamish about

:07:06.:07:09.

patriotism, I am not, I am proud of my identity as a northerner, English

:07:10.:07:13.

man, Brit and a European, all of those things are consistent. My

:07:14.:07:17.

identity did not change on the 24th of June and neither did my values,

:07:18.:07:21.

beliefs and what I believe is right for this country and for future

:07:22.:07:25.

generations. I respect the outcome of the referendum. The vote was

:07:26.:07:29.

clear, close but clear, and I accept it. But voting for departure is not

:07:30.:07:33.

the same as voting for a destination. Will you give way? A

:07:34.:07:39.

narrow majority voted to leave the EU but the Leave campaign had no

:07:40.:07:43.

plans, no instructions, no prospectus and no vision. No one in

:07:44.:07:46.

this government, no one in this House, no one in this country has

:07:47.:07:50.

any idea what the deal the Prime Minister will negotiate with Europe

:07:51.:07:54.

will be. It is completely unknown. How, then, can anyone pretend that

:07:55.:07:59.

this undiscussed, unwritten, a negotiated deal in anyway has the

:08:00.:08:03.

backing of the British people? The deal must be put to the British

:08:04.:08:07.

people for them to have their say. That is the only way to hold the

:08:08.:08:12.

government to account for the monumental decisions they will have

:08:13.:08:17.

to take over the next two years. Will you give way?

:08:18.:08:20.

I thank the Honourable member for giving way. Does he not think his

:08:21.:08:24.

party is partly responsible for the outcome of referendum because

:08:25.:08:26.

immigration became a proxy for issues like the pressure on the NHS

:08:27.:08:31.

and inability to see a doctor, the inability to get into the right

:08:32.:08:35.

class sizes because of the policies his party supported, the squeeze

:08:36.:08:39.

public services and met people looked for somebody else to blame.

:08:40.:08:43.

I'm staggered the honourable gentleman is speaking the language

:08:44.:08:46.

of Nigel Farage, what a terrible disgrace. How dare you!? The deal

:08:47.:08:52.

must be put to the British people for them to have their say. That is

:08:53.:08:58.

the only way. The only way to hold the Government to account, for the

:08:59.:09:00.

monumental decisions they will have monumental decisions they will have

:09:01.:09:03.

to take over the next two years, to ensure that the cause they choose

:09:04.:09:08.

serves the interest of all the people, however they voted. So here

:09:09.:09:13.

is... I will not take any more interventions, other people need to

:09:14.:09:20.

get in. Here is the likelihood we will have 48% of people not liking

:09:21.:09:25.

the outcome of the deal and half of the 52% will feel they were betrayed

:09:26.:09:28.

by the outcome of the deal. The only way to achieve democracy and closure

:09:29.:09:33.

is for there to be a vote at the end. Because, the fact is the Prime

:09:34.:09:36.

Minister is the one making the strongest case for giving people a

:09:37.:09:40.

vote on the deal. She had the choice to pursue a form of Brexit that

:09:41.:09:44.

united our country, that reflected the closeness of the vote and sought

:09:45.:09:49.

to heal the divisions between Leave and Remain but instead she chose to

:09:50.:09:54.

follow the hardest most divisive form of Brexit tearing us out of the

:09:55.:09:58.

Single Market, leaving us isolated against the might of world

:09:59.:10:01.

superpowers. Never mind six months ago she herself argued the case for

:10:02.:10:06.

remaining in the EU, never mind the numerous campaigners who championed

:10:07.:10:09.

in Norway and Swiss models and spent the referendum campaign assuring

:10:10.:10:13.

voters we would not leave the Single Market. Never mind the 40% of

:10:14.:10:17.

people, 16 million British people, wanted to stay in the EU. Never mind

:10:18.:10:21.

that Britain Buzz and people who have more of a stake in our country

:10:22.:10:26.

than most of us here voted three to one to remain. The Prime Minister

:10:27.:10:29.

has made her choice. Fine, she has chosen hard Brexit -- Britain's

:10:30.:10:34.

young people. But if you so confident what she is planning is

:10:35.:10:37.

what people voted for she must give them a vote on a final deal. What

:10:38.:10:40.

started with democracy must not end up with a government stitch up. When

:10:41.:10:45.

all is said and done the decision on whether the deal the Prime Minister

:10:46.:10:49.

negotiates is good enough will be decided by someone. Someone will

:10:50.:10:54.

make that decision. Should it be the Prime Minister? Should it be those

:10:55.:10:57.

privileged to be here, or should it be the British people who have to

:10:58.:11:01.

live with that decision? I say it should be put to the people in a

:11:02.:11:05.

referendum. That is why the Liberal Democrats are fighting for the

:11:06.:11:08.

British people to have the final vote on a deal this government

:11:09.:11:15.

negotiates. Give way! Democracy... Democracy... Democracy means

:11:16.:11:20.

accepting the will of the people. At the beginning of the process and at

:11:21.:11:23.

the end of the process. Democracy means respecting the majority and

:11:24.:11:27.

democracy means not giving up your beliefs when the going gets tough.

:11:28.:11:34.

Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, always a pleasure to follow the

:11:35.:11:37.

honourable gentleman, he speaks with passion always but I can't put it

:11:38.:11:40.

squarely on the table I will never vote for another referendum while I

:11:41.:11:44.

am in this House given what we experienced last year. I agree with

:11:45.:11:47.

those who have said this is a conscience vote, we asked the people

:11:48.:11:53.

what they want to do, they said leave and as far as I'm concerned

:11:54.:11:56.

that settled the matter and I will of course vote for the Bill this

:11:57.:12:00.

evening. I want to make three quick points, Mr Speaker. The first is

:12:01.:12:03.

that I believe the Prime Minister deserves personal credit for her

:12:04.:12:08.

leadership on Brexit since she emerged last July. Cast our minds

:12:09.:12:10.

back to the extraordinary events of last summer, we were shell-shocked

:12:11.:12:14.

not knowing where the public vote would take us. Brexit means Brexit,

:12:15.:12:19.

she said, and we are going to make a success of it, that phrase much

:12:20.:12:23.

mocked in some quarters, gave a sufficient sense of direction to

:12:24.:12:27.

steady the ship. It became apparent by January that we then needed a

:12:28.:12:30.

more detailed plan and that just the right time the Prime Minister gave

:12:31.:12:34.

her Lancaster house speech. It set out a clear, coherent and credible

:12:35.:12:39.

plan for the way forward. It was one of the most significant speeches

:12:40.:12:46.

I've heard in my 25 years in this House, it was a game changer for me

:12:47.:12:49.

and for many people. The plan is ambitious and not without risk, and

:12:50.:12:53.

in particular we will be leaving the Single Market, turning our backs on

:12:54.:12:56.

free movement but seeking to negotiate a free trade agreement.

:12:57.:13:01.

That is a high-risk strategy. But I recognise that to remain in the

:13:02.:13:04.

Single Market would not properly reflect the desire of the majority

:13:05.:13:08.

who voted to leave to control immigration. It is, however, vital

:13:09.:13:12.

that in putting in place a bespoke free-trade agreement that is

:13:13.:13:17.

successfully completed as part of the overall deal. The one fear that

:13:18.:13:21.

companies in my constituency have is not so much tariffs, bad though they

:13:22.:13:26.

might be, but it is nontariff barriers which can play havoc with

:13:27.:13:30.

sensible trading arrangements that must be avoided if at all possible.

:13:31.:13:36.

Now, one part of the Lancaster House speech has received insufficient

:13:37.:13:39.

attention. The reference to transitional arrangements. I know

:13:40.:13:42.

that there are some, and some in this chamber, or think this can all

:13:43.:13:47.

be done in the blinking of an eye but it is complex, it will take

:13:48.:13:52.

years and we have to exercise patience. Once we studied at

:13:53.:13:54.

negotiations we should start to consider which parts we want to keep

:13:55.:14:00.

and which we want to ditch, we are probably looking at a 10-year

:14:01.:14:04.

project, Mr Speaker. We might well leave the EU in 2019 but we should

:14:05.:14:08.

prepare ourselves substantial transitional arrangements and hope

:14:09.:14:12.

that after for a positive working relationship. My second point, we

:14:13.:14:16.

should now be brutally honest with the British people about the likely

:14:17.:14:21.

short-term impact of Brexit. Not in an alarmist way but simply making

:14:22.:14:25.

the point that because of uncertainty, because we have now

:14:26.:14:28.

made clear that we will not be in the Single Market, there is likely

:14:29.:14:31.

to be an impact on government spending for the next few years. We

:14:32.:14:35.

know that tax receipts have fallen against forecasts since June and

:14:36.:14:39.

that trend may well continue. It may well be that there will be long-term

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gains of Brexit. I certainly hope so and we must strive for that end. But

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there will most likely be short-term pain, especially now the phoney war

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is coming to an end. International companies will weigh the certain

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knowledge that we are leaving the Single Market against the hope of a

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free-trade agreement and some of them have crunched back of volition

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and will decide to invest or expand elsewhere. Some financial

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institutions are already getting itchy feet. So there might be not as

:15:09.:15:13.

much money available for the NHS and social care and schools as we would

:15:14.:15:18.

like to see over the next 2-5 years and we should prepare the British

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people for that fact. My final point very briefly is that living in these

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very turbulent times when all kinds of issues are going on in our world

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I would encourage the front bench, the negotiators, we have got a clear

:15:33.:15:36.

plan but don't be slavish to it, let's be flexible and wise. It is

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with great pleasure that I rise to speak in this debate on this

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historic day for Parliament and for this country. None of us who believe

:15:46.:15:49.

in withdrawal from the European Union believed we would ever see an

:15:50.:15:53.

order paper in this House containing the words European Union

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Notification of Withdrawal Bill Second Reading, and I think it is a

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very historic landmark occasion. It is about incrementing a decision

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which this Parliament decided to hand over to the people. It would be

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utterly wrong, therefore, to reject what the people of the United

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Kingdom have decided in a national vote. I utterly respect those who

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have spoken. We campaigned hard, enthusiastically and vigorously to

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Remain. But we are saying we must respect the will of the people since

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Parliament handed that decision over to the people. I have little time

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for those who argue that we should now engage in procedural games, that

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we should engage in means of supporting the will of the people. I

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think it's dishonest, I think it's undemocratic. I have to agree with

:16:40.:16:42.

what the leader of the Liberal Democrats just said about believing

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in democracy and listening to the will of the people, let's get on and

:16:46.:16:49.

implement what the people have said. And let us not engage in efforts to

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thwart what they have said. This was a national vote across the United

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Kingdom. Everybody's vote was equal. I want to address the issues that

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affect Northern Ireland particularly because it has been said that

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Northern Ireland voted to remain by 56-44, and therefore Northern

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Ireland should not be part of those withdrawal from the EU or should

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have special status. I could think of nothing that would be more

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calculator to undermine the union between Northern Ireland and the

:17:18.:17:21.

rest of the United Kingdom than for Northern Ireland to be able to

:17:22.:17:24.

thwart the will of the people of the United Kingdom as a whole. That

:17:25.:17:29.

would be deeply anti-unionist position to take. I think it is

:17:30.:17:34.

right and proper that we respect the special needs of Northern Ireland.

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They argue vigorously with government, they are engaged with

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this House through ministers back home, and that is why I deplore the

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fact that at this crucial juncture we have had the bringing down of our

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locally devolved assembly and executive needlessly, and the people

:17:51.:17:53.

who brought it down the very people who are now making speeches saying

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Brexit undermines the Good Agreement. Thankfully the Secretary

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of State for Northern Ireland has completely demolished that argument

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ad made it clear there is nothing in the Good Friday Agreement, the Saint

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Andrew agreement, or any of the agreements made that in any way is

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impaired or imperilled by the sit, the decision to leave the European

:18:13.:18:16.

Union. For those complaining the hardest about Northern Ireland they

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have denied themselves a voice by not coming to the House to take the

:18:20.:18:23.

seats and engage with ministers and have now dropped down out of the

:18:24.:18:28.

elected government in Northern Ireland and don't have input that

:18:29.:18:33.

way either. The reality is that of course this presents challenges for

:18:34.:18:36.

Northern Ireland, but the fact is that when we remained in sterling

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and the Irish Republic joined the euro along with other European

:18:41.:18:43.

partner nations and states, we were told that this would hear massively

:18:44.:18:47.

detrimental act, that this would cause all sorts of major problems on

:18:48.:18:51.

the island of Ireland, this would lead to all sorts of disruption,

:18:52.:18:56.

economic and political. Nunavut happened. People adapted. People

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were told we would have to change currency at the border. There is a

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different currency in Northern Ireland from the Irish Republic but

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trade continues, trade is flourishing, the economy has gone on

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and done extremely well. None of the dire predictions of those who

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predicted terrible consequences came to pass. I am confident that in

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relation to this issue as well that we will see a better future for the

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United Kingdom and for Northern Ireland. I welcome very much the

:19:25.:19:28.

Prime Minister's commitment to maintaining the Common Travel Area,

:19:29.:19:31.

I reject the idea of a special status for Northern Ireland. I am

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glad the Taoiseach also rejects it because it is code for separating

:19:37.:19:39.

Northern Ireland from the rest of the U United Kingdom and undermining

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both. This is the moment we begin to take

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back control of our laws, our borders and our money. Once again we

:19:52.:19:57.

be come a sovereign state in charge of our own destiny and I am

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delighted about that. I was brought up in post-war Germany. I campaigned

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to leave in the 1975 referendum and along with 45 others, I voted

:20:10.:20:21.

against a single European act in 19 76. I have form. I am the last

:20:22.:20:26.

remaining member of that band. So although Margaret Thatcher pushed

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that Bill, I have no doubt if she was whether today, her response to

:20:30.:20:41.

that bill would BB Joyce. -- Joyce. I salute also David Cameron for

:20:42.:20:46.

honouring the commitments he gave the British people that he would

:20:47.:20:48.

give them a referendum on the membership of the EU. Many said he

:20:49.:20:52.

would renege on that, he kept his word. That referendum was not

:20:53.:20:57.

advisory. It was an instruction to withdraw from the European Union.

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This bill simply authorises an notice to leave. They are the same

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people who for four decades have been complicit in the relentless

:21:13.:21:18.

campaign to transfer power from this Parliament to Brussels. Does my

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honourable friend not agree having asked the people to give us their

:21:24.:21:28.

voice, we now need to respect that voice and get on with it? Absolutely

:21:29.:21:33.

and I think there is an overwhelming view not only in this House but

:21:34.:21:39.

across the country for that proposition. And number of speeches

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during this debate, principally yesterday, have rerun the referendum

:21:44.:21:49.

arguments. The government spent ?9 million of money on a brochure

:21:50.:21:56.

riddled with inaccuracies and and amounted an extraordinary and

:21:57.:22:05.

counter if fear campaign warning of desire # dire consequences if we

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leave, none of which have come to Baz. My right honourable friend,

:22:08.:22:10.

predicted profound economic shock across the country. A DIY recession,

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nine of which happen. The economy has grown by 0.6%. Major companies

:22:18.:22:29.

like Google, Nordisk and Nissan have announced significant investment in

:22:30.:22:34.

the United Kingdom. Some have argued that the public was not told that

:22:35.:22:38.

leave vote would require us to leave the single market. But recovering

:22:39.:22:42.

control of our borders and restoring to this Parliament the

:22:43.:22:45.

responsibility for the laws of the silence, a return of sovereignty,

:22:46.:22:49.

was at the heart of the debate. Membership of the single market is

:22:50.:22:53.

completely compatible with those objectives as Mike honourable friend

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said yesterday, if people knew what they were voting for and it is

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patronising to suggest otherwise. Some suggest that the validity of

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referendum of over 23 million people voted is in doubt. It never troubled

:23:10.:23:17.

in when Tory Blair secured a majority. We are leaving and they

:23:18.:23:29.

will be no second referendum. Mr Speaker, we undoubtedly face

:23:30.:23:33.

challenges ahead. But don't let's kid ourselves there would have been

:23:34.:23:38.

major challenges if the United Kingdom had voted to remain. And

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there are 70 billion reasons why our EU partners will want to reach a

:23:46.:23:49.

mutually beneficial trade deal with us because they have a ?70 billion

:23:50.:23:52.

surplus with us. I hope this country who are in large part or their

:23:53.:23:57.

liberation from the Soviet Union to the Conservative Government of

:23:58.:24:01.

Margaret Thatcher will respect our decision and help us forge a new

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constructive relationship and I hope the same will apply to those whom we

:24:06.:24:09.

helped rebuild after the Second World War. And free from the EU

:24:10.:24:15.

customs union we will be able to embrace the world, negotiate trade

:24:16.:24:18.

deals with the Commonwealth friends, encouraging fraid tear -- fair trade

:24:19.:24:26.

deals. It will be hard graft. The US may be our closest ally but

:24:27.:24:32.

commercially they'll be no pushover. The EU is determined to create a EU

:24:33.:24:40.

defence policy. It poses a direct threat to European security, Nato,

:24:41.:24:53.

and risks... I have been a member of this House for almost seven years

:24:54.:25:00.

and rarely have I spoken on a bill of such great importance, not just

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to the country in Scotland, but to my own constituents. It is a great

:25:05.:25:09.

pleasure to follow the honourable gentleman from Aldershot. It is

:25:10.:25:12.

right that we are able in this House to express those views on the Avenue

:25:13.:25:16.

of constituents and the country. If that what taking back control is

:25:17.:25:20.

about, let's talk about that democratic process, because we're

:25:21.:25:25.

only here today and we were only here yesterday because the public in

:25:26.:25:29.

this country were able to take this government to court to express their

:25:30.:25:33.

railroading a decision in this railroading a decision in this

:25:34.:25:37.

without the taking back the promised without the taking back the

:25:38.:25:40.

to this Parliament. And we should to this Parliament. And we should

:25:41.:25:44.

pay tribute to them that we are here able to make these arguments on the

:25:45.:25:48.

half of our constituents. I campaigned vigorously for a remain

:25:49.:25:52.

thought like many members and honourable members on this chip.

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Someone who campaigned me -- save me was one of my party members, Gordon

:25:58.:26:08.

die L. If I can pay tribute to Tam. Our thoughts are with the family.

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The reason why I campaigned so further assist the Risley for the UK

:26:18.:26:20.

to remain a member of the European Union is because it is an our

:26:21.:26:23.

national interest to do so. I was tramping around the streets of my

:26:24.:26:29.

constituency and 2010 and 2015, I was not promising my constituents

:26:30.:26:34.

that I was elected to this House, I would do everything I can to make

:26:35.:26:37.

their lives poorer. The new Chancellor of the Exchequer has said

:26:38.:26:40.

on the record that nobody votes to make themselves poorer. So it is

:26:41.:26:46.

incumbent on everyone on the size throughout this process, not just a

:26:47.:26:50.

railroad this bill is that this does not matter. But to fight for every

:26:51.:26:54.

single amendment on this mill, to make sure this House sends a strong

:26:55.:27:01.

message, both to the Parliament and European members, that we will get

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the best deal for our constituents. I will not give way because of the

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timescales and other people wishing to speak. At the end of that process

:27:11.:27:15.

in terms of the EU referendum, 78% of my constituents will tattoo the

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mean. Many arguments across the chamber in the last day or so has

:27:19.:27:25.

spoken about not respecting the will of the people, not retrospective the

:27:26.:27:27.

democratic will of the people. As far as I am concerned, we are

:27:28.:27:34.

representatives of constituents. None of these decisions in this

:27:35.:27:37.

House are taking easily. It is whether heavy heart I will vote for

:27:38.:27:42.

the triggering of Article 50 this evening. I will do so knowing that I

:27:43.:27:46.

will be to look at my constituents in the eye and say to them I have

:27:47.:27:52.

done everything I can possibly do to protect their jobs, to protect their

:27:53.:27:54.

livelihoods and to protect the future further family. But when this

:27:55.:27:59.

bill goes through as we know the bill will do, it will go through

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after the third reading, I will work enthusiastically to make sure we can

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get amendments to this bill and we can hold this government to account.

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Because Brexit might mean Brexit, Mr Speaker. But to my constituents and

:28:15.:28:19.

many across the country, Brexit does not mean Tony Brexit. The rhetoric

:28:20.:28:23.

we have been getting from this government is wrong and I do not

:28:24.:28:27.

think why they are fighting the people to stop this government

:28:28.:28:30.

having a say. I do not know why they are reaching out across this chamber

:28:31.:28:36.

to get a common voice to make sure that Britain can get the possible

:28:37.:28:39.

deal from our European partners. I will vote no against triggering

:28:40.:28:45.

Article 50. I will spend the rest of the time in this chamber fighting

:28:46.:28:51.

for my constituent's lives. For speaking in a vote that I never

:28:52.:28:56.

wanted to happen and vote I never wanted to cast. This summer I will

:28:57.:29:04.

have been politicians are 30 years. I think this referendum had become

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inevitable to. I supported David Cameron, I may have been wrong. I am

:29:12.:29:17.

in a different place. I voted for the referendum Bill believing the

:29:18.:29:27.

result would count. I argued to remain, saying we would honour the

:29:28.:29:35.

result of the referendum. If I was required as an MP to vote on the

:29:36.:29:38.

matter, we are and which I will. I am not giving up fighting. I want to

:29:39.:29:43.

see the very best for my constituents out in the new

:29:44.:29:46.

arrangements. That is why I stood for the Brexit select committee.

:29:47.:29:52.

While I work with others with the work that has then landed on this to

:29:53.:29:56.

get the best of it. I do not think it provides the best of opportunity

:29:57.:30:00.

for negotiation. The government needs an open hand. 12 amendments

:30:01.:30:08.

might help the government to retain Parliamentary support. I will fight

:30:09.:30:10.

for a negotiated settlement, watching for any sign that no deal

:30:11.:30:14.

is moving up the agenda. I want the government to be as open as possible

:30:15.:30:20.

to as many options as possible. The degree of detail to be covered is

:30:21.:30:24.

staggering, both for us and our partners and new consequences are

:30:25.:30:29.

being uncovered every day. It is way more complicated than some of

:30:30.:30:31.

conflict -- league's wanted to believe. All the consequences will

:30:32.:30:37.

not be beneficial. There is one fight I want to see an end of an

:30:38.:30:41.

which I'm calling time. I do not believe there is any realistic

:30:42.:30:45.

prospect of the UK remaining in rejoining the EU not in my lifetime

:30:46.:30:50.

in the House. I should place my support on a different footing on

:30:51.:30:54.

which recognises the reality of what we have done. I am going to work for

:30:55.:30:59.

the future prosperity of the EU, for a partnership relationship with it,

:31:00.:31:02.

for all the things we need to do together from that new position. I

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will defend it against those wanting to wish it further harm, those who

:31:09.:31:12.

believe further separation of the EU is worth it. I have decided I am not

:31:13.:31:22.

going to fight for the UK at present to find a quick way back into the

:31:23.:31:27.

EU. Let me be clear, I believe the decision of those who voted out was

:31:28.:31:35.

wrong. I am reconciled to Brexit. I am not yet persuaded of the wisdom

:31:36.:31:40.

of the decision. However spending the next few years reversing the

:31:41.:31:48.

decision does not seem to be in the UK's and trust. I do not want an

:31:49.:31:51.

already divided country to be more so. The national debate has become

:31:52.:32:00.

sad and dispirited. As a confirmed remain and supporter of the EU, I do

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not want the next generation of Conservative MPs to have the blight

:32:05.:32:10.

of this argument dogging them, their associations, their members and

:32:11.:32:13.

voters in the same way as it has dogged us. It has soured friendships

:32:14.:32:16.

and damaged relationships and I swore at a meet in the tearoom. And

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I am sorry. Instead, I want to work towards a new partnership with the

:32:24.:32:28.

EU which. To command every tracing support. We should aim higher than

:32:29.:32:34.

minimum support. We should look towards the vast mid-jaunty looking

:32:35.:32:39.

to support such a relationship. It is time to be proud to be British

:32:40.:32:45.

without hating the EU. I hope it helps if some of us who lost today

:32:46.:32:50.

to take that of opportunity to create something better out of what

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is happening. Whether heavy heart that the relationship I am looking

:32:54.:32:55.

for. Thank you. A lot has focused on

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process and procedure. I made a simple promise in 2015 that I would

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never support anything here that would damage them and their lives

:33:12.:33:15.

and children and I stand by that. I made that promise precisely because

:33:16.:33:20.

I followed the Liberal Democrat who backed Tory measures like the

:33:21.:33:25.

bedroom tax, which damaged my community, so I make that promise

:33:26.:33:28.

and stand by and hear from people day in and day out about the damage

:33:29.:33:35.

since the referendum, like the universities in my constituency who

:33:36.:33:38.

are worried about research funding from the European Union, worried

:33:39.:33:43.

about Erasmus, worried about a drop in international student numbers

:33:44.:33:46.

which could mean higher fees for British students, that was not in

:33:47.:33:51.

the referendum. I hear from many medical professionals worried about

:33:52.:33:56.

recruitment. An NHS that is not getting ?350 million a week but is

:33:57.:34:01.

struggling. They are worried about future recruitment. I hear from the

:34:02.:34:07.

financial sector. I hear from them 7000 jobs already gone, nobody voted

:34:08.:34:12.

to lose their job. I hear from importers, food importers who have

:34:13.:34:17.

seen costs rise since the referendum, costs that are being

:34:18.:34:22.

passed onto and customers. People did not vote for a higher cost for a

:34:23.:34:28.

dinner out and I hear from hotels. While tourism has gone up there are

:34:29.:34:35.

many non-E -- non-EU nationals employed and are simply not enough

:34:36.:34:39.

unemployed Londoners to fill those jobs should really. I also hear from

:34:40.:34:46.

exporters who worry about future costs of things like having to print

:34:47.:34:49.

different labels for beer bottles going into the EU market. I hear

:34:50.:34:56.

from people who are very worried about their future economic

:34:57.:34:58.

prospects, Young Conservatives support of the Conservative Party

:34:59.:35:03.

who are now politically homeless. The former Prime Minister John Major

:35:04.:35:09.

refer to the likes of them as bustards. He could not have known

:35:10.:35:18.

that has party would become a whole government who are causing problems

:35:19.:35:20.

for my constituency and for the whole country. And that the risk of

:35:21.:35:26.

offending my wand frontbenchers as well as the government front bench,

:35:27.:35:31.

I see this. My members campaigned vigorously to remain in the European

:35:32.:35:35.

Union and they deserve a front bench position that is not to sign up to

:35:36.:35:39.

the government's position and timetable. It is a disgrace. There

:35:40.:35:45.

is no need for the point of order. Can I say to the honourable member

:35:46.:35:49.

that he shouldn't have used the word he used, he tried to wrap it up in a

:35:50.:35:54.

quote but it was unseemly and undignified and he shouldn't have

:35:55.:36:00.

done it and he should apologise. While I share the sentiment I

:36:01.:36:04.

apologise if it is unparliamentary. He shouldn't do it again, has he

:36:05.:36:13.

finished? Thank you. Although he is not on the bench as I want to pay

:36:14.:36:16.

tribute to the wonderful speech from the late honourable member and my

:36:17.:36:23.

neighbour for Rushcliffe, because he shows us how it is all done. This is

:36:24.:36:28.

a short spell with huge ramifications for all of us for

:36:29.:36:31.

years to come. I campaigned like others on this site for remain but I

:36:32.:36:36.

accept the Democratic vote and we should accept the notice to be

:36:37.:36:40.

triggered. I agree with those that if we do not do that a crisis in our

:36:41.:36:50.

democracy would help no one. The Secretary of State talked about the

:36:51.:36:55.

outcome he wanted as being to agree a stronger, more united and more

:36:56.:36:58.

outward looking country. I agree with him. Negotiations must lead to

:36:59.:37:07.

that outcome and parliament must, as other colleagues have said, be

:37:08.:37:11.

involved, not just at the start of this process but throughout and

:37:12.:37:16.

particularly at the end. The manner of that vote at the end is

:37:17.:37:25.

important. I hope that we will be able to add to the Prime Minister's

:37:26.:37:29.

what's on this weather in the closing speech tonight in the course

:37:30.:37:35.

of the committee stage next week. I want to welcome the White Paper

:37:36.:37:38.

publication particularly the announcement that it will be

:37:39.:37:40.

published tomorrow. That is also very welcome. I have been clear that

:37:41.:37:44.

this bill in the White Paper which will set out the Prime Minister's 12

:37:45.:37:49.

colours are separate and should be considered as such. For me, the

:37:50.:37:56.

tests leading to a successful new relationship with the European Union

:37:57.:38:02.

are threefold. Firstly, leaving must not undermine the economy. It must

:38:03.:38:07.

not unduly affect the jobs and household finances and financial

:38:08.:38:12.

security of our constituents. I hope we will get a chance to debate that

:38:13.:38:16.

is part of the debates on the White Paper. Secondly. Leading must not

:38:17.:38:22.

undermine our Constitution. That was tested in the courts and I welcome

:38:23.:38:26.

the decision of the High Court which is upheld by the Supreme Court.

:38:27.:38:30.

Finally, it must not undermine our values as a country. The honourable

:38:31.:38:36.

member for Tottenham spoke very powerfully about values as have

:38:37.:38:40.

others on both sides of the House in the course of yesterday and today.

:38:41.:38:45.

In terms of values and upholding them, it is up to us as members of

:38:46.:38:49.

this house and to government and to ministers. I have to be honest,

:38:50.:38:54.

never in my adult life have I felt so concerned about the stability and

:38:55.:38:59.

state of the world in which we live. I have to say that with the Brexit

:39:00.:39:04.

foot we have added an extra layer of uncertainty to our world. But I want

:39:05.:39:09.

to take the Secretary of State, what he said yesterday, at his word. This

:39:10.:39:15.

is the beginning which means that this is not, to paraphrase a great

:39:16.:39:19.

former Prime Minister who believed in a united Europe, the beginning of

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the end, but this bill may be the end of the beginning of this Brexit

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process. It is indeed the case that I didn't

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intend to speak yesterday but as I listened to yesterday's speeches it

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occurred to me clearly that the House of Commons has taken leave of

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its senses and this happens at times. The danger is that the public

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trust the House of Commons at moments like this, it be House of

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Commons at a rat when it had left -- taken leave of its senses and during

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the introduction of the poll tax. Iraq currently still lies in ruins

:40:07.:40:09.

and it is at a time when the opposition unites with the

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government that it has particularly taken leave of its senses. I

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listened carefully to the honourable member, not in his place, a man who

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gambled with skier stories on the EU and in Scotland. In Scotland he won

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and the EU we lost but are we feeling Lucky? The deal is not in

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the guest of the UK Government. It is in the gift of 38 regional

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parliaments across Europe, and only EU Parliament. We have one in 67

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voices and we have to get that into our heads because the Prime Minister

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has said that no deal is better than a bad deal, but no deal means

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farmers, fish will be particularly affected, 12% tariffs, and people

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assume the House of Commons knows what it is doing but it doesn't, it

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is crossing its fingers and hoping for the best. Perhaps they knew what

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they were voting for but they certainly didn't know the

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destination and this house doesn't know the destination. The committee

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I am cheered off doesn't know the destination, the Department for

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trade doesn't know the Prime Minister know. The pretence that

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because people voted to leave the EU that they knew the destination is

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beyond facile. Manchester Airport group, the CBI, the Society of motor

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Manufacturers, the British Chamber of Commerce, the Law Society, they

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do not know what the destination is for the UK. The UK is currently on a

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precipice. I will give way. He is speaking as this is a great

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perception. Has he ever come across a negotiation between two parties

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where it was possible to predict in advance outcome? Precisely! I am

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grateful to him for that. He might be able to tell me, how many states

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of the native nations are not currently in a regional trade

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agreement. Anybody? You know. This gentleman knows and was unlike

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committee. There are only six members of the United Nations not in

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a regional trade agreements. Mauritania, Somalia, South Sudan,

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East Timor, and soon to join this illustrious group, the United

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Kingdom! Cross your fingers and hope that works out for the best. The UK

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will find itself the first time since 1960 not in a free trade

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agreement. Joined Nafta in 1960 and has been there since. From the House

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of Commons library, every member of the OCD is in a regional trade

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agreement and even North Korea signed up to one in 1988. The UK is

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boldly going where even North Korea feels to go. And if that is not

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giving members pause for thought, what well? The head over the edge of

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the cliff as they take their constituents and the poorest in

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society with them. Who paid for the bankers? The poorest. They will be

:43:20.:43:27.

paying for Brexit. It is crossing our fingers and is not the best deal

:43:28.:43:31.

for the UK and remember the best deal for the UK is after smashing up

:43:32.:43:36.

the Rolls-Royce, what we have with Europe now. Now we will head down to

:43:37.:43:41.

the second-hand car dealer and ask him for the best motor they have

:43:42.:43:44.

because we have thrown the Rolls-Royce to one side. We refuse

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to travel in the best transport possible and are now heading for the

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best left afterwords. This house has taken leave of its senses as it dead

:43:54.:43:57.

at a rat and the poll tax and the bedroom tax, but the people who will

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pay for it are not here. Members are on going to any destination as

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destination as long as it is leaving the EU and it is gross

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irresponsibility and it is only one thing that can save Scotland, and

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that is independence and independence very soon.

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I am looking forward to voting tonight and I am also looking

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forward to the debates taking place in this chamber going forward over

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the next two years on universities and education, immigration and the

:44:31.:44:34.

economy, because I feel lousy result of this referendum we as an entity

:44:35.:44:41.

are closer to the people now than we have ever been. I believe that they

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will be watching those debates, watching what we are talking about

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and that we will be responding to a mandate given to us by the people so

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I am looking forward to tonight. But I cannot stand here without

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responding to the waiter of the Liberal Democrats. He called for a

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second referendum. Does anybody remember the honourable member

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calling for the referendum in 2010? Has leaflets and posters for the

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party said, time for a real referendum. They also called a

:45:18.:45:24.

referendum in 2011 on alternative vote. You lost that, and the most

:45:25.:45:28.

recent referendum, you have had the best of the two time to stop calling

:45:29.:45:34.

for a referendum this. He spoke with passion in the same way he spoke

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with passion about tuition fees, and as we are speaking, news is

:45:40.:45:43.

breaking, that some members of the Liberal Democrats are going to

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abstain, some voting for run some voting against. The honourable

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member has divided his party of only nine MPs in a far more efficient

:45:55.:45:57.

manner than the party opposite happens. What an achievement. That

:45:58.:46:07.

brings me onto the party opposite. In 2005 and I have an even better

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example than my friend used, 9.5 million people voted for the party

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opposite, for Tony Blair to lead the government. 17.2 million voted

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against. More people voted for Brexit than voted for the party

:46:24.:46:29.

opposite in government in 2005. The point of that is this. Some members

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opposite tonight served as ministers and that government and voted for

:46:34.:46:39.

the referendum and tonight are going to vote against the result and the

:46:40.:46:45.

mandate given to them by the people. I think it is slightly rich,

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slightly rich that having served as a minister in a party and the

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government were you only achieved 9 million votes but did anybody call

:46:53.:46:58.

for a second referendum? They did not. Did anybody revert to the rule

:46:59.:47:03.

of law, because people respect in this country a democratic vote. And

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it is, I apologise, for an alteration in tone but it is with

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some dismay I woke this morning to the news that a former Prime

:47:16.:47:18.

Minister had tried to skew and influence the outcome of the

:47:19.:47:21.

referendum by attempting to have the editor of the Daily Mail removed

:47:22.:47:24.

from his post. I say with a degree of shame that a leader of this party

:47:25.:47:31.

attempted to manipulate and distort the freedom of the press, not the

:47:32.:47:35.

editor of the Guardian or the matter only paper that subscribe to his

:47:36.:47:38.

worldview but a member of the Daily Mail.

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For Mr Carney's inaccurate forecast. I would caution those thinking of

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voting against tonight to be careful what they wish for and to be careful

:48:13.:48:14.

for wishing first Africa and referendum. The people are advocates

:48:15.:48:15.

for free speech and a powerful they failed to build a

:48:16.:48:46.

British version for a reformed EU. And they failed to build a credible

:48:47.:48:50.

immigration policy with the public. They fed the beast the roared last

:48:51.:48:55.

June and we all have some responsibility in that. Then the

:48:56.:49:01.

fear of the hard right in the Conservative Party has led to prime

:49:02.:49:06.

ministers to recklessly gamble with the future of country. One called

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the referendum, he thought he would never lose. The other has pushed

:49:10.:49:13.

into triggering Brexit even before thinking through how it will

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actually happen. Weakness and incompetence, weakness and

:49:18.:49:24.

incompetence then. One lesson we should all learn is never again

:49:25.:49:28.

should a complex economic and international issue be reduced to an

:49:29.:49:33.

X Factor style competition. Last week the British government was cot

:49:34.:49:38.

acting in constitutionally by the Supreme Court when trying to use a

:49:39.:49:41.

trampy and style executive order to bypass Parliament on Brexit.

:49:42.:49:49.

Government was Mac fear of Parliament led to wasted months

:49:50.:49:53.

fighting a legal action when every MP could have been put to work

:49:54.:49:57.

helping to craft the best exit deal for the UK. Time which the Prime

:49:58.:50:02.

Minister could have used to tour the capitals of Europe to work out a

:50:03.:50:05.

physician, to build the goodwill that we will need to get us a good

:50:06.:50:10.

deal. The government is doing the bare minimum that it thinks it can

:50:11.:50:14.

get away with without being in contempt of court. It does this by

:50:15.:50:19.

bringing this tour at the size array and undernourished bill before

:50:20.:50:24.

Parliament. No apology, no white paper, no plan for leaving the EU.

:50:25.:50:31.

And we are, today, meant to meekly aid and abet this incompetence and

:50:32.:50:37.

buckled to the dog whistle threat that if MPs dare to do their job and

:50:38.:50:39.

believe in Parliamentary sovereignty, then the Ras of the

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social media mob and the conservative press will be unleashed

:50:45.:50:51.

against us. I ask my colleagues to actually show some strength today

:50:52.:50:54.

because this day will not repeat. This is the moment you will think of

:50:55.:50:57.

in ten years' time about what you did on this occasion. We are not

:50:58.:51:02.

voting on in or out, that is history. That has been decided. We

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are voting in whether we believe this government are ready to trigger

:51:08.:51:11.

leaving when clearly they are not. The emperor has no White Paper.

:51:12.:51:18.

Let's take heart from the judges who stood firm in doing their duty,

:51:19.:51:22.

despite the enemies of the evil media headlines. Let's take heart

:51:23.:51:29.

from Jean Miller, and individual citizens who felt government to

:51:30.:51:37.

account, acting with... Yes, we should vote for a bill authorising

:51:38.:51:45.

exit from the European union. But do that when we have done our duty on

:51:46.:51:51.

dude Julie Jones. When we and our constituents know what the

:51:52.:51:53.

government has planned on which of the thousands of permutations of

:51:54.:51:58.

exit it is going for and how it meaningfully wants to do it in

:51:59.:52:03.

Parliament. This bill is not about ignoring the referendum result but

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realising it, ensuring that our whole democracy works to secure the

:52:08.:52:12.

best deal possible. Unifying our nation, not glorying in its division

:52:13.:52:22.

into winners and losers. Mr Speaker, when my honourable friend was

:52:23.:52:25.

speaking about a White Paper and date of publication. He said it was

:52:26.:52:29.

great to be published tomorrow. Is that news for the House? It is not

:52:30.:52:33.

news for the House in sense if memory serves me correctly that the

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Prime Minister indicated as much in the course of Prime Minister's

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Questions. One thing I know about the honourable gentleman, he is

:52:49.:52:50.

invariably listening to his own wisdom. We are grateful to him for

:52:51.:53:00.

that. Mr Stephen Hammond. Thank you, Mr Speaker. This has been the place

:53:01.:53:07.

where Britons are elected debate and make the decisions that affect our

:53:08.:53:12.

country's future. It is only right that tonight it will be the size

:53:13.:53:15.

that will vote to trigger article 50. I was one of the 544 who voted

:53:16.:53:22.

for the referendum to give our people are choice and the future. So

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it would be inconsistent to reject the the verdict of that referendum

:53:28.:53:32.

if it is at odds with my own view. I campaigned for the UK to remain in

:53:33.:53:37.

the EU. I am disappointed by the result. 71% of my constituents will

:53:38.:53:45.

to do remain. I have had hundreds, literally hundreds of letters in the

:53:46.:53:49.

last week telling me who I should represent them tonight and foot

:53:50.:53:53.

against the government. But as much as my honourable friend is, I am a

:53:54.:54:00.

defender of democracy. I voted knowing fine well that if we've won

:54:01.:54:02.

the debate, that is what will happen. Tonight I will be in the

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lobby triggering article 50. I will give way but only once. Since

:54:08.:54:15.

September, a select committee has been established on exiting the EU.

:54:16.:54:21.

We have had 26 debates and there have been seven statements in this

:54:22.:54:26.

House. Does my friend agree that these statistics highlight the many

:54:27.:54:28.

hours of debate that have been available to all members of the

:54:29.:54:33.

House, contrary to what some might miss -- C. We must support the

:54:34.:54:43.

British people tonight. I said I will certainly be respecting the

:54:44.:54:49.

result of the referendum. Indeed we have had those debates. What is

:54:50.:54:53.

crucial is where we go from here. For what the people did not say to

:54:54.:54:56.

us on the referendum, how and on what terms we would be leaving. I

:54:57.:55:01.

believe the best way to decide those issues, to mitigate the impact of

:55:02.:55:07.

uncertainty, is for the government to keep Parliament updated as much

:55:08.:55:09.

as possible throughout the negotiations, and allow this House

:55:10.:55:16.

to have a meaningful input to those negotiations. I am at salute the

:55:17.:55:20.

welcoming the publication of the White Paper tomorrow. I hope that

:55:21.:55:23.

Bill will build on the Prime Minister was Max Beach End create

:55:24.:55:27.

some level of uncertainty. It is in the government's best interest for

:55:28.:55:32.

the fullest possible involvement of Parliament will help are negotiating

:55:33.:55:37.

position. Our negotiations will carry much greater weight with the

:55:38.:55:42.

EU 27 if it is clear the negotiating stance has the backing of this

:55:43.:55:46.

House. And amongst all the talk of sovereignty and the hope of trade

:55:47.:55:49.

deals, we must not forget the effect of this process on individuals,

:55:50.:55:55.

constituents, many people who live in our constituencies, many of the

:55:56.:56:00.

people who live in Wimbledon are EU citizens. And I hope the government

:56:01.:56:05.

will find a very early resolution to the rights of those people who may

:56:06.:56:12.

not be British citizens, but I regard as my constituents. I have

:56:13.:56:16.

said several times in the House in the bridge of debates, the

:56:17.:56:20.

honourable lady was talking about, uncertainty is a critical part. It

:56:21.:56:30.

is vital for business's success. Therefore we should strive for a

:56:31.:56:34.

deal in this deal that puts financial services at the heart with

:56:35.:56:39.

equivalents in mutual recognition. Equally as my honourable friend for

:56:40.:56:46.

South Devon said earlier, these devotions will be complex. We need

:56:47.:56:50.

to guarantee certainty and that means a proper transitional process

:56:51.:56:55.

where everybody can adjust to the new rules without a sudden shock and

:56:56.:56:58.

that can be achieved. I hope that will be clarified at the heart of

:56:59.:57:05.

their ambitions. This bill gives the United Kingdom the ability to

:57:06.:57:07.

trigger Article 50 and almost everyone in the chamber tonight will

:57:08.:57:11.

do that. I am pleased the Parliament has promised this Parliament to vote

:57:12.:57:16.

on the final deal. But what needs to be clarified is what stage in the

:57:17.:57:20.

process the vote will take place. It also needs to be clear that

:57:21.:57:24.

Parliament will be to vote if the government seeks to withdraw from

:57:25.:57:31.

the EU without a deal. If the government believes no deal was

:57:32.:57:33.

achievable, then I hope the Secretary of State will absolutely

:57:34.:57:35.

ensure and commit that the government will come back to this

:57:36.:57:39.

government with all the options placed before us. If the voters

:57:40.:57:43.

after the agreement of the Treaty but prior to the ratification as is

:57:44.:57:47.

the current legal position, then it will mean the vote will be too late

:57:48.:57:53.

and meaningless. In my view the vote must curb before the government

:57:54.:57:57.

concludes the agreement. And if anyone has read article 50, that is

:57:58.:58:02.

what will happen in the European Parliament. Are we know suggesting

:58:03.:58:09.

the European Parliament should be more sovereign than this Parliament?

:58:10.:58:18.

I think not. If it needs the consent of the European Parliament, it

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should need the consent of this Parliament as well. Mr Speaker, as

:58:21.:58:27.

Churchill said at the Battle of Britain, this will represent the end

:58:28.:58:36.

of the beginning. But also gives this House the chance to show our

:58:37.:58:38.

constituents we can come together, heal the divisions, find the best

:58:39.:58:42.

deal for this country. Mr Speaker, as members in this House we make

:58:43.:58:45.

difficult decisions every day. Some of these decisions are robs local

:58:46.:58:47.

significance and others take on national significance. But the only

:58:48.:58:49.

reason we have the ability to make these decisions as is because our

:58:50.:58:51.

local constituents gave us their consent and voted for us at the

:58:52.:58:58.

general election. And the point has been made to me that we are not

:58:59.:59:01.

delegates. But when all your neighbours, your local business

:59:02.:59:14.

people, your local pharmacists and local health professionals and

:59:15.:59:15.

political allies and political opponents make the point here that

:59:16.:59:18.

you have to take a stand on an issue, I feel this is the right

:59:19.:59:21.

course of action. Mr Speaker, I did not want to resign my front bench

:59:22.:59:24.

role. I know it was not a great office of state but it was an

:59:25.:59:26.

important role that allowed me to hold the government to account on

:59:27.:59:28.

their aspirations of social mobility. But today, we are debating

:59:29.:59:31.

whether we trickle Article 50 and give the Prime Minister the

:59:32.:59:39.

permission to exit the European union. And I think I would be

:59:40.:59:41.

abandoning my duty to my constituents, who have

:59:42.:59:43.

overwhelmingly unwaveringly made their point is that they do not want

:59:44.:59:51.

to leave the European Union, 75% of my constituents footed to remain in

:59:52.:59:59.

the European Union. And my honourable friend from Holborn and

:00:00.:00:09.

some pancreas made the argument yesterday that this decision has not

:00:10.:00:11.

been easy. It has been here conflicting emotions as we decide

:00:12.:00:14.

what to do in the Labour Party. But for me there were two main reasons

:00:15.:00:17.

why I made the decision I did and why we are voting against the bill

:00:18.:00:20.

today. The first decision has been made because of the future of the EU

:00:21.:00:22.

nationals living in my constituency. There are 17,000 EU nationals and

:00:23.:00:25.

some have accused me and told me that I only want to be elected at

:00:26.:00:32.

the next election which is why I am taking the stand. Let me tell me --

:00:33.:00:36.

you, these people cannot vote for me at the next election. The reason why

:00:37.:00:39.

I am taking the stand I am taking, we do not wince when people are

:00:40.:00:44.

speaking in a different language on public transport. We do not blame

:00:45.:00:50.

the very real pressures on our health system, on a housing on

:00:51.:00:55.

scapegoating others simply because they do not look like us and because

:00:56.:00:58.

they do not sound like us. In Hamstead and Kilburn we do not

:00:59.:01:05.

indulge in baseless theories that are country is at breaking point. In

:01:06.:01:08.

Hamstead and Kilburn we celebrate these EU nationals, they are a part

:01:09.:01:13.

of fabric is marked as anyone else and they have a right to be here as

:01:14.:01:17.

much as the success of generations that came before them. If I vote for

:01:18.:01:24.

this bill today, I am abandoning my responsibility to these EU nationals

:01:25.:01:29.

who live in my constituency. And for a lack of time I will go on to the

:01:30.:01:32.

next reason why am I putting against this. For lack of access to the

:01:33.:01:37.

single affects three main groups. The self-employed who have argued

:01:38.:01:42.

they need tariff free trade with the EU. Those involved in the scientific

:01:43.:01:46.

and technical industries. In the last ten years the scientific

:01:47.:01:51.

funding has increased by 73% from EU sources. At this point their

:01:52.:01:57.

projects are in jeopardy. Finally, those who are involved in the

:01:58.:02:04.

have no clarity over the future of have no clarity over the

:02:05.:02:05.

the past sporting rights. These are the reasons in good conscience I

:02:06.:02:08.

cannot vote for the bill today. And finally I will quote my friend from

:02:09.:02:13.

Leeds Central and say, this is not how we do things in the House. We

:02:14.:02:18.

need clarity. We need to see the economic impact of this decision. I

:02:19.:02:25.

will not be voting for this bill today.

:02:26.:02:31.

It gives me great pleasure to follow the honourable lady. She addresses

:02:32.:02:37.

herself with clarity and passion and while I will not be in the lobby is

:02:38.:02:40.

this evening I share many of the sentiments she has expressed. In

:02:41.:02:50.

1519, Cortez arrived in the New World. The first thing he did was to

:02:51.:02:55.

burn the ships that had got him there. Pointing up the beach he told

:02:56.:02:59.

his astonished crew that since retreat to Europe was no longer an

:03:00.:03:03.

option the only way forward was up the beach to the opportunities he

:03:04.:03:08.

saw in the New World. Britain used the -- now stands on the brink of

:03:09.:03:13.

its Cortez moment. When article 50 is triggered that there will be no

:03:14.:03:18.

way back. Brexit Britain must of course broker the best possible deal

:03:19.:03:22.

it can with the European Union but our future long-term will depend

:03:23.:03:27.

just as much on our ability to operate freely and globally.

:03:28.:03:35.

Meanwhile in Europe, we were told this week that assertive

:03:36.:03:42.

unspectacular steps are needed to revive the aspiration to raise

:03:43.:03:47.

European integration to the next level. Whose aspirations? Not those

:03:48.:03:55.

of the British public. But for moderates like me, people who admit

:03:56.:04:02.

risks as well as benefits, are done a real service. Has false

:04:03.:04:05.

prescription has explained more eloquently than I ever could buy it

:04:06.:04:09.

was that the British public voted to leave on 23rd June. We have had some

:04:10.:04:15.

truly excellent contributions today and yesterday and I paid tribute to

:04:16.:04:21.

honourable members who have expressed their positions

:04:22.:04:23.

forthrightly even if I disagree with them. This is the House at its very

:04:24.:04:29.

best, this is the House listening to be public that we serve. Last week

:04:30.:04:37.

the permanent secretary at the Ministry of Defence in an interview

:04:38.:04:41.

for the civil service weekly said that the EU was operationally

:04:42.:04:47.

irrelevant to defence and security. He was wrong. The European Union is

:04:48.:04:51.

relevant to our defence and security. I am fully supportive of

:04:52.:04:56.

the Petersburg tasks, the use of assets for humanitarian and

:04:57.:05:00.

peacekeeping operations under the EU. I accept that the European

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defence agency, a body who has a minister its budget I try to

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contain, running number of projects that Britain benefits from, and my

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point is we must seek to engage with Europe post-Brexit whenever it is

:05:23.:05:27.

expedient to do so and I would encourage ministers particularly, as

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ministers within Europe's principle military power, to continue engaging

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wherever Bayliss mutual benefit in as doing so. Yesterday, city UK

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reversed its previously held Euroscepticism and announced the

:05:45.:05:48.

next few the European Union was a straitjacket and Brexit presented an

:05:49.:05:54.

unprecedented opportunity. It spoke of achieving a global Brexit and

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that reminds us that in all those steals the only trade deals

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concluded by the European Union or Mexico and South America. It is a

:06:05.:06:11.

mistaken belief that Brussels would undertake the task on our behalf but

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it was clearly asleep on watch and now it is time for Britain to

:06:16.:06:19.

rediscover its historic engagement with global markets and I hope in

:06:20.:06:23.

the years ahead ministers will do that. We have had the bizarre

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spectacle of Germany making more money from exporting coffee than the

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developing countries... As my honourable friend said at the

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beginning of this debate, this is a very difficult debate for many of us

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on this side of the chamber. I supported Remains strongly in the

:06:48.:06:50.

campaign because I believed it was in the interests of the country and

:06:51.:06:56.

the constituency I represent. I thought the economic arguments they

:06:57.:07:00.

remain campaign advanced within the ends succeed but that wasn't the

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case. In the end they didn't ask the people for their views if I wasn't

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going to listen to what they said. I accept the vote for this bill is

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only opening the door but it probably will mean ultimately that

:07:17.:07:22.

as a result they leave the EU. In the end they will listen to my

:07:23.:07:26.

constituents and their views because they voted overwhelmingly to leave.

:07:27.:07:29.

The reason my constituents gave to me on the doorstep was that many of

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them felt left behind by economic progress over the number of decades.

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They felt they were not in control of their lives, they felt that we as

:07:40.:07:45.

their representatives, as a political class, were not listening

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to them, and that one of the fundamental concerns was around

:07:51.:07:52.

unrestricted immigration from the EU. That is the honest information

:07:53.:08:00.

they gave to me that I am relaying. People who are not racists still

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have genuine concerns about the impact on their public services and

:08:04.:08:09.

jobs and pay and conditions from that unrestricted immigration. Those

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concerns were expressed to me by people from different ethnic

:08:16.:08:22.

backgrounds, from the Pakistani Kashmiri, Bangladeshi and Somali

:08:23.:08:24.

communities as well as white British residents. I feel that if we don't

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listen to those genuinely held concerns, the disillusionment met

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with politics will grow. We risked driving those people into the arms

:08:38.:08:40.

of the racists who actually do want to put forward a different agenda

:08:41.:08:47.

completely. At the same time I recognise that while I will vote for

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the ballot is still important in Sheffield for its industry to have

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free access to EU markets. They want to have assurances that it will be

:08:59.:09:05.

safe in the future as it is now. We want to see cooperation on

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environmental matters, defence, security, science and research. They

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want to keep the same employment rights and protections as they now

:09:16.:09:20.

enjoy. They don't want to see a race to the bottom on reducing taxation

:09:21.:09:25.

on corporate matters so we can compete with offshore tax havens

:09:26.:09:32.

elsewhere. In the end, it is important that to keep those issues

:09:33.:09:37.

on the agenda, parliament is regularly updated on progress in the

:09:38.:09:42.

discussions and that at the end this Parliament has a vote on the final

:09:43.:09:45.

outcome just as the European Parliament will do. I still have

:09:46.:09:51.

concerns about voting for the bill, concerns I felt when I argued

:09:52.:09:56.

strongly for remain in the referendum but in the end I have

:09:57.:09:59.

more concerned about the damage to democracy if I don't vote for the

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bill. I am not one to brag but I humbly suggest that I know something

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about how to negotiate in Europe. My personal best was what the civil

:10:15.:10:19.

service called a three shirt, three base and two nights of continuous

:10:20.:10:25.

negotiation so I wish them luck as they enter this process and can I

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ask them to ignore all those who say that they might like to share with

:10:30.:10:34.

other indie world every single nuance of negotiations, because

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nothing would be likely to secure a worse deal for us in this house

:10:37.:10:44.

following that. I have to break it gently to some members of this house

:10:45.:10:52.

and to some deluging our inbox, that some are not fascinated with the

:10:53.:10:57.

politics of Brexit. They are rooted in the realities, and these are the

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small family farming businesses, the life sciences company that wants to

:11:04.:11:07.

sell its world beating products to health services in Europe, it is

:11:08.:11:13.

about companies that will be part of consortia or supply chains, some of

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which will be in and outside the European Union, and how what work

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for them the? It is about people who want to study abroad, people who are

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concerned about the future of our environment. The experience of the

:11:25.:11:31.

referendum campaign was for me a miserable one, a new low in the

:11:32.:11:35.

political discourse of the nation and they put blame for that on both

:11:36.:11:43.

sides. As the dust settles, we have choice, and that choice is whether

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to play the role of some sort of parliamentary insurgent, finding

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devious mechanisms with which to do down the view the public took in an

:11:53.:11:58.

open referendum, or is it that we should represent the views of

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constituents, the vast majority, who want us to act in their best

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interests, and to understand the government faces a heavy burden as

:12:09.:12:11.

it seeks to achieve an orderly exit. These as one notable voice absent

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from our debates here in this historic preceding, and that is the

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member for Grantham and Stanford, who wrote an article, difficult

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thought must have been for him in the middle of his treatment for

:12:29.:12:33.

cancer, School of intelligence and common sense, and it had an

:12:34.:12:37.

understanding of what it is to be a liberal conservative at the time

:12:38.:12:43.

like this. He reminded us that we need to look forward, we need to

:12:44.:12:48.

look forward to a world in which we can have a decent, open and generous

:12:49.:12:51.

relationship with our European partners because that is what we

:12:52.:12:56.

believe, not just because it is in our nature but free trade and a

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belief in markets is something that is important to us. It is also a

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reminder when you read it of why we want our honourable friend back here

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in good health in the future. He reminded us we need to cooperate on

:13:09.:13:13.

issues like climate change, science and countering terrorism and all the

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things that matter to us. Outreach to our partners and a rejection of

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the kind of insular backward looking and small Britain that has affected

:13:25.:13:33.

this debate for too long. I will passionately support this bill

:13:34.:13:39.

tonight and I give the Treasury bench who will notice that I will be

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taking part in every available opportunity to hold them to account,

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that we reached the best deal for the people of this country and our

:13:48.:13:50.

constituents, and to do that in a constructive way. Thank you. I shall

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be as brief as I can. A slightly depressing debate today because as

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everybody knows, because of the collusion of the front bench is the

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result was a foregone conclusion. Eric Forth, who many in this

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household member, said that when the front benches agree with each other

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it is time for the House to be at its most active and examine

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precisely what that alliance means. My honourable friend, as was

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mentioned by the member for Sheffield, said yesterday, that it

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is a very difficult issue for the Labour Party and indeed it is. It is

:14:39.:14:44.

difficult for everybody in this house, and presents us with a

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paradox and a difficulty to know what is the right thing to do. Some

:14:49.:14:53.

people say the result of the referendum means that supporting

:14:54.:14:56.

this bill is the right thing to do, others disagree. Others say their

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duty to their constituents transcends party loyalties and I

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will make my position perfectly clear because I am in a fortunate

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position. My constituency as I said on the Monday after the referendum,

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voted by something like 2-1 to remain in the European Union. As I

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said then, I regard my primary responsibility is being to my

:15:23.:15:27.

constituents. My constituents have written to meet in unprecedented

:15:28.:15:31.

numbers, and I am sure most members of this house will have received

:15:32.:15:34.

more information on this issue than just about any other from

:15:35.:15:38.

constituents, certainly in the 25 years I have been a member of this

:15:39.:15:44.

house, urging me to support that because my constituency supported

:15:45.:15:47.

that way. I will support the objection to leaving the European

:15:48.:15:51.

Union and they will vote against a second reading tonight and will vote

:15:52.:15:56.

for the Scottish National Party Amendment and against the programme

:15:57.:16:02.

motion and will continue to do so. I will be active next week when it

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comes before committee and seek to amend the bill but I will vote

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against the third reading as well because I will not be complicit in

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something that I know and feel to be wrong. And to be against the best

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interests, not just of my constituents are not just this eight

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-- this city of which my constituency is a small part.

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Whatever negotiations and agreements take place, reform of the European

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Union, staying in the European Union and leading the campaign of

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reformers in the best interests of the British people and I will do

:16:39.:16:41.

nothing know which undermines their possession. What I will also see is

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people have mentioned the status of European Union citizens in this

:16:50.:16:52.

country. The Prime Minister, and I am sure she is in earnest about this

:16:53.:16:57.

and being genuine, when she says she wants to get Italy agreement for

:16:58.:17:04.

reciprocal arrangements. I say, and others say as well, the answer is in

:17:05.:17:09.

her own hands. She can reassure EU nationals living in this country now

:17:10.:17:13.

and say that their future and that of their families and secure. And

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then go to, quite rightly, to the chambers and the councils of Europe

:17:20.:17:24.

and say we demand the same from you. There will be only one reason why I

:17:25.:17:29.

would ever turn my back on the European Union and agree that we

:17:30.:17:33.

should leave, it would be if they turned around and denied British

:17:34.:17:36.

citizens the right that we can give to EU nationals.

:17:37.:17:47.

Is the Prime Minister saying that if the other countries said no, that

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she would as the current European citizens resident in this country to

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leave? That is precisely the point. The reason why Ukip has so little

:17:59.:18:02.

traction in London is because most Londoners within a generation or two

:18:03.:18:07.

are immigrants themselves. Not necessarily from overseas, but from

:18:08.:18:13.

other parts of the United Kingdom. So the idea of the other is nothing

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new to Londoners. I agree what others have said about the pace of

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social change. People need to feel they are in control of it. They

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understand the nature of the change that is being affected. My fear is

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that a number of people I will vote as I have indicated because I

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believe it to be right. It might in the throes of time be a mistake, but

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I believe it to be right. What depresses me about today for s'

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proceedings is that a lot of members tonight will vote for

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something that is not right because it is expedient to do so. I shall

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not join those ranks, I will do whatever I can is to make sure that

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the deal that will follow will be the best it can be. I will not be

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complicit in undermining the future of the British people. For centuries

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Dover as has had an important role as the gateway and guardian of the

:19:19.:19:21.

kingdom. I was concerned about the impact potentially on border

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security, the impact on cross-border co-operation, the potential impact

:19:27.:19:29.

on trade because Dover is in a real sense on the front line. And I set

:19:30.:19:32.

out these concerns to my constituents as well as those of the

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medium-term risks to the economy. There was a referendum after a long

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debate, a thorough debate. There was a proper debate, people knew what

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they were voting for and they made a clear decision. So I for one will be

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voting to respect the result. Now the leader of the Liberal Democrats

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seems to treat like this Hotel California. You can never leave. The

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SNP think that you should just have multiple

:20:10.:20:29.

referendums until you might get the right result. On their track record

:20:30.:20:32.

in, losing the AV referendum, the independence referendum, losing the

:20:33.:20:34.

European referendum, they are not doing so well. I shall respect this

:20:35.:20:39.

result and we need to be clear in this House on the red line is that

:20:40.:20:42.

we were given by the British people. My constituents are very clear.

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Number one, they must be an end to a unchecked EU migration.

:20:44.:21:05.

Number two, no more billions for bloated Brussels bureaucrats. And

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that leaves very clearly that we must leave the single market and if

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we want to do trade deals with the rest of the world, we need to leave

:21:16.:21:18.

the customs union. For Dover, that has a real impact. I am making no

:21:19.:21:21.

bones about that. I have put together proposals about how we can

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restore border controls and I are putting together a group. I have put

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together a group on how we can manage customs leaving the European

:21:27.:21:29.

Union in two years and how we can be ready on day one. It is the job of

:21:30.:21:32.

this House and the job of every one of this member, not just to respect

:21:33.:21:35.

the result, but to make it work for the good of the British people. We

:21:36.:21:38.

cannot hope for things to go wrong. We need to recognise that if things

:21:39.:21:41.

do go wrong, it impacts the people we serve and represent. They will be

:21:42.:21:45.

less well off and that is why I am working to make this work. That is

:21:46.:21:50.

why I am imploring to make this work and make a success of it, recognise

:21:51.:21:56.

that we will have to leave the single market. We will have to leave

:21:57.:21:58.

the customs union, we will need to be ready on day one. And we also

:21:59.:22:05.

need to recognise that there may not be a deal. We should work tirelessly

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for a deal, but it may be that no deal is immediately forthcoming. For

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the reasons that my friend for Tatton set out. But the mindset for

:22:16.:22:21.

my European colleagues are not set for a deal. They might not wish to

:22:22.:22:31.

do a deal at that time. Also, any deal maker and negotiator will tell

:22:32.:22:34.

you the best way to land a deal is to be prepared for no deal taking

:22:35.:22:38.

place. And that is why we need to be ready for border controls, ready for

:22:39.:22:40.

customs duties, ready for trade with double wide world as well as ready

:22:41.:22:44.

to do up is to deal and have positive engagement with the

:22:45.:22:49.

European union in the years to come. So I am so this House to think

:22:50.:22:54.

constructively, to be constructive, to respect the House and to look at

:22:55.:22:58.

the future of this nation as the best days are yet to come. Mr

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Speaker I came into this House with my friend from Lewisham West 25

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years ago and I am delighted to say that I am with him today on this

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bench and I agree with every word that he says. If there are so gives

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me four minutes to talk about other things. President Donald Trump

:23:23.:23:28.

yesterday made a very important statement. President Donald Tusk

:23:29.:23:36.

that is. Donald Tusk pointed to the threats that face Europe. The

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threats from Russia. The threats of change, of claim it and the threats

:23:43.:23:49.

from across the Atlantic from the other Donald. If I predict, if the

:23:50.:23:57.

situation had arisen before the referendum, we may have had a

:23:58.:24:02.

different result. More and more people in this country are realising

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that we need our European partnership and this is not the time

:24:09.:24:17.

to be leaving the call operation of European foreign policy. It is not

:24:18.:24:23.

too -- time to be leaving the European Security agency. It is not

:24:24.:24:27.

time to be leaving co-operation with their European partners. I

:24:28.:24:33.

understand the comments being made by the honourable member. It is not

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the time either to replace the arguments of the referendum. The

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British public have spoken and it is down to us to take forward their

:24:41.:24:44.

views and vote with the government this evening. I am not be playing

:24:45.:24:49.

the arguments I am dealing with the realities. And interestingly perhaps

:24:50.:24:53.

the members stood on a manifesto of the last general election in 2015

:24:54.:25:02.

where his party said yes to the single market. It also set that it

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will bring in a referendum. It had a mandate for doing that. But as the

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former Europe minister, the member for Aylesbury said, the referendum

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is adverts that -- advisory as was the 1975 referendum in Europe and

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the Scottish and vote last year. That is what they said in 2015 in

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the 16th of June. Parliament has to decide how, when and if to implement

:25:27.:25:32.

this referendum. The problem with the position that is being taken by

:25:33.:25:39.

both frontbenchers, by trickling early, we are going to be on an

:25:40.:25:45.

escalator in one direction with no ability to get off. There is a legal

:25:46.:25:50.

process going on. In the Irish courts at the moment about the

:25:51.:25:56.

possibilities, the implications of whether Article 50 is reversible. We

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don't know that judgment yet. Why on earth are we triggering before we

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know the legal position on article 50? Why is it the decision of our

:26:07.:26:12.

government to go for the hardest possible leaving of the EU. No

:26:13.:26:23.

customs union, problems for Gibraltar, problems for the Northern

:26:24.:26:26.

Ireland peace process and the Good Friday agreement and all of these

:26:27.:26:30.

problems are being done in advance of knowing whether we could decide

:26:31.:26:36.

in a year's time or maybe two years' time, before this process is

:26:37.:26:43.

complete. We need to not be on this escalator. We need to have a means

:26:44.:26:49.

to stop that process and that is why we need clarity before we start

:26:50.:27:02.

triggering it. We did not need to trigger in March this year. We could

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have waited. It did not need to be done in advance of the French

:27:09.:27:11.

election and the German election and the reality is the ratification

:27:12.:27:17.

process requires decisions in 27 national parliaments and the

:27:18.:27:29.

regional parliaments in Belgium and the decision by the European

:27:30.:27:32.

Parliament. So if we are to get that process, we will have a narrow

:27:33.:27:35.

window of of urgency. Perhaps just a year from the bottom of this year

:27:36.:27:37.

until the autumn of 2018, and then they will have to be a ratification

:27:38.:27:42.

process. We won't get a good agreement. We could be in a

:27:43.:27:50.

disastrous position of going off the cliff with no agreement at all with

:27:51.:27:56.

a terrible economic consequences of WTO terms only. That is an

:27:57.:27:58.

unmitigated disaster for my constituents and for the country. I

:27:59.:28:05.

am doing what the member for Rushcliffe said yesterday, I am

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voting as members of Parliament should. I am following my own

:28:08.:28:10.

judgments. I am listening to my constituents and to the country. No,

:28:11.:28:18.

I have to conclude. But I will not be voting to trigger article 50 at

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any stage. Mr Speaker, I am indeed casting my personal vote for remain

:28:24.:28:30.

in the referendum. I have had and have concerns about the security

:28:31.:28:33.

implications of leaving the EU. I have been opposed to an EU army, I

:28:34.:28:39.

wonder if that may come about without us being there to veto it. I

:28:40.:28:47.

don't believe these have been addressed are answered. I had

:28:48.:28:50.

concerns about inflationary effects and some of that is kicking in. But

:28:51.:28:57.

I do note it hasn't reached the 2% level yet that the Bank of England

:28:58.:29:06.

aims for. But I am is a prize that many of my colleagues, for having a

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vote on a main. The one thing they did recognise that I'd never had any

:29:10.:29:14.

truck with the federalisation of Europe, the political side of

:29:15.:29:18.

Europe. I felt that it was wrong, I felt that it didn't need impinged

:29:19.:29:22.

too far on the work of this parliament. And indeed so many

:29:23.:29:27.

people in my constituency said to me we joined a common market. We didn't

:29:28.:29:33.

join in EU. And even though my personal vote was for remain, one

:29:34.:29:39.

thing I was fully supported, I do not cast myself as a particular hard

:29:40.:29:46.

winner of the Conservative Party, which has been painted on benches

:29:47.:29:48.

opposite and those against this policy. I passionately believe that

:29:49.:29:55.

there had to be a referendum because people were never given their sake

:29:56.:29:59.

on the European Union. They were given their say on the common market

:30:00.:30:07.

and the state -- want to stay in the European market. But what has been

:30:08.:30:09.

clear since that referendum is that you have not taken seriously any of

:30:10.:30:14.

the lessons as to why people in this country are moving against it. I

:30:15.:30:19.

have to say that I would, tomorrow, vote to leave. Because I felt there

:30:20.:30:25.

was an opportunity that we could negotiate in the European Union,

:30:26.:30:29.

that we could work through issues that were a problem for people in

:30:30.:30:34.

this country, and they ignored her former Prime Minister, David

:30:35.:30:36.

Cameron. They did not think the country would totally. And I see the

:30:37.:30:40.

same consequences going through now, in the comets of the Maltese Prime

:30:41.:30:44.

Minister, in the comments of Donald Tusk. They have real warnings on the

:30:45.:30:49.

horizon. This is an organisation that needs to reform. If it does not

:30:50.:30:56.

reform I fear for women it will go. But I also want to say, Mr is

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bigger, but above all it was an exercise in democracy and it would

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be folly in the extreme for the other place, with maybe politicians

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in the other place dominated by parties who have been diminished in

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the elected House, two Triangle against the will of the size. And

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that will indeed, I think, be a suicide bid by the other place if

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they try and try and disrupt the will of this House. That is a

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warning I give. I am on the record wanting Lords reform. You cannot get

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Lord reform of the public are not bind us. I said that as a friendly

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warning, Mr Speaker. That they must take note of what this House says

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because what this referendum has been about, above all else, is

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democracy. People said they did not want to be controlled by unelected

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bodies in Europe. They expect us to action that choice. It may have not

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been the result I voted for but I am a Democrat and above all I respect

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the ballot box and I respect the outcome of the ballot box. And this

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House must respect the outcome of the ballot box.

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We as a parliament and a democracy took the country into a referendum

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that had nothing to do with the best interests of Britain and everything

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to do with attempting to heal deep divisions within the Conservative

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Party. We on this site didn't wish to appear to not trust the voters

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and I must admit we had some of our own divisions but all of us failed

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to set the rules fully referendum we didn't approve a simple majority, a

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requirement for the road map showing the implications for the leave than

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the cost implications of the two alternatives. Then came the

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shockingly irresponsible referendum campaign, full of lies,

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misinformation, dog whistle politics, and xenophobia. When the

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British public for to do the majority to leave the EU they did so

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in a variety of reasons. They wanted the money back which the battlebus

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told us was going to Europe but apparently nothing came back, and

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apparently they wanted it spent on the NHS. They are not going to get

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it. They wanted control of immigration and spending. They

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wanted an end to austerity and to wipe the smug look... Of the

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Chancellor's face. They achieved that one. On the doorstep people

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didn't tell me they were happy to lose workers' rights and jobs and to

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have lower standards of living, or reduced opportunities for children

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and grandchildren. They didn't talk about wanting to leave the single

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market, the customs union or pursuing a bold and ambitious free

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trade agreement. Somehow we as politicians were to square that

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circle. Stop immigration, get the money back, get control back and

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become more affluent. I cannot keep on voting for the process that gives

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the people of Bridgend no assurance of a secure future for them or their

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children. I voting to trigger article 50. I am grateful for giving

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way and I have taken the unusual step of listening to the debate

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rather than contributing but having listened for many hours I will also

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be joining hearts in voting against second reading this evening. I

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welcome that information because my honourable friend as somebody who's

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integrity and his contribution in debates I always listen to and I am

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deeply pleased that he will be joining me in the lobbies. We are

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voting here today with a white Paper promised tomorrow, not before this

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discussion. We have no risk assessment, no financial assessment,

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a total lack of clarity on the government's policy, but the thin

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promise of a sunlit uplands, of eight passport and a tariff free

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agreement which means costs would rise for financial services. I

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intend to keep voting no until I can see a position that is the best we

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can obtain for this country. I am ashamed that the way we have

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abandoned EU citizens and their families who gave their lives, loves

:35:45.:35:51.

unsettled future to the UK. I have a wonderful German daughter in law and

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an extended German family, I have friends who are MPs across Europe

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who are deeply saddened by the words and threats emanating from this

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government. I accept the outcome of the referendum. We are leaving the

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European Union, but it doesn't mean I am willing to vote for the party

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opposite to the this country into a treacherous and uncertain future.

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There is a Gramsci quote that says the old order is dying, the new one

:36:25.:36:28.

is struggling to be born and then the interregnum monsters are abroad.

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They most certainly are. We are voting before we know the outcome of

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the match European elections which will influence the

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part of our economic security to an America where Trump's inauguration

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speech, support for torture, ban on Muslims entering the US,

:36:57.:37:00.

anti-climate change rhetoric and the clear statement of America first and

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the commitment to end trade agreements not in America's best

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interests. I am voting particularly because I don't trust that this is a

:37:13.:37:15.

government that can take me to the right place. I trust the British

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people, I don't trust this government. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I

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am in an easy position. I have an easy decision to make, no decision,

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I campaigned and voted for Brexit has that my constituency, as did the

:37:37.:37:44.

United Kingdom, so I am not torn in terms of what I am going to do this

:37:45.:37:49.

evening, but I am also not going to demand or even suggest how other

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members of this house should vote. Each one of us has a unique

:37:53.:38:00.

combination of local constituency pressures and I cannot look into the

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heart of other members of this house to see Fergie set. I am not going to

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call upon anyone to vote in one way or another, I am going to reflect on

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what I think the implications of the Brexit vote should be for all of us,

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irrespective of what our political position is and irrespective of how

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we choose to vote in the decisions of the seasoning and that committee

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stage next week. Brexit provides us with an opportunity but it also

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exerts upon us and external discipline. Discipline is something

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which guides the actions and decisions. Discipline also

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encourages us to do what is difficult but right. The discipline

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that Brexit imposes upon us is to listen very carefully to people in

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Britain who clearly feel they have not been listened to up until this

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point. It is very easy, for us to project our own prejudices on why

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people voted the way they did. The we all do it and we have seen it

:39:26.:39:33.

both from those of us who voted for Brexit, to project very basic

:39:34.:39:38.

motivations onto those who are going to vote in alignment with their

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constituents, and we would be wrong to do so, but we also have to

:39:43.:39:45.

understand why there are communities in Britain who are concerned about

:39:46.:39:50.

their standard of living, about migration and globalisation. We have

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to respond to those concerns, but also on the government said we have

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is to understand that at some point we will need to explain why we are

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perhaps prioritising certain markets and business sectors in our

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negotiations above others. We will need to explain that the value that

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international migration brings to the British economy and why it will

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not suddenly stop overnight, the day after we leave the EU. I thank my

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honourable friend for the speech cheesemaking and the important

:40:25.:40:27.

points he is making. Does he not agree that the modern industrial

:40:28.:40:32.

strategy now set out is going to be a vitally important element of

:40:33.:40:35.

paving the way forward for our economy in the post Brexit world. It

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is good to be incredibly important that the government lays out a

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pathway from now moving forward is that explains to many people in

:40:45.:40:48.

Britain how a global economy can work not just for the greater good

:40:49.:40:54.

foot for the individual good. Ultimately when members of this

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house say the British people need to have a say they are absolutely right

:40:58.:41:00.

they need to have a seat but they should remember that Brexit is the

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start of an ongoing existence. It is not a discrete process. The deal the

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Prime Minister and ministers are negotiating will be the deal that is

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put to the British people at the Twenty20 general election, and if

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other members of this place, from other parties, feel that they have a

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better version of the relationship with Europe, perhaps a version that

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prioritises market access over border control, it is not

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necessarily one I would agree with what it is none the less legitimate,

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and if they wish to prioritise membership of the customs union

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overrode ability to strike independent free trade deals, that

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again would not be a position I agree with but is none the less

:41:52.:41:56.

legitimate. What parliamentary sovereignty means is that those

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alternative versions of Brexit, what an SNP Brexit or Liberal Democrat

:42:05.:42:08.

Brexit might look like, can be fruitful for the British people in

:42:09.:42:13.

the lead up to the general election, and that hypothesis can be tested in

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the ultimate crucible, which is the British democratic system, I do

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apologise... If they are versions of Brexit seemed to be more palatable

:42:27.:42:32.

than the government version of Brexit, we will know, and we will

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know because members will be returned here in proportion to how

:42:36.:42:41.

palatable or otherwise those various versions of Brexit should be. That

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is how British democracy should work and that is how British democracy

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has been prevented from working up until this point of time, which is

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why I will not just vote to trigger article 50 this evening and in

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future divisions, I will do so passionately and happily because it

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means that for the first time in 40 years, the way British parliamentary

:43:14.:43:17.

democracy is meant to work will actually be able to work. But I

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won't ask you force you to with me. My constituency voted to remain. My

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country voted to leave. My conscience continues to believe that

:43:36.:43:40.

the country's interests are best served within the European Union. I

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believe that my job is to act in accordance with my conscience in the

:43:47.:43:54.

interests of my constituents in the parliamentary democracy I am proud

:43:55.:43:56.

to uphold. I believe that my constituents trust and belief in

:43:57.:44:02.

parliamentary democracy is the greater security country has against

:44:03.:44:07.

the rise of fascist leaders and the destruction of our national value

:44:08.:44:13.

system. It would be wrong to reject the results of the referendum.

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Newcastle was part of a nation than that which unites us is greater than

:44:18.:44:22.

that which divides us. For that reason I will vote for the second

:44:23.:44:27.

reading of this bill. But there are busy but and there always was going

:44:28.:44:34.

to be. This government is attempting a constitutional land grab. The

:44:35.:44:38.

referendum was about the will of the people, not that of the Prime

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Minister who is not even elected. 52% voted to leave the European

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Union but they didn't vote to leave the single market, they didn't vote

:44:49.:44:54.

to be the customs union. The north-east is the only region to

:44:55.:44:58.

export more than it imports, and more than half goes to the European

:44:59.:45:02.

Union. It is estimated that 160,000 jobs are directly linked to our

:45:03.:45:09.

membership of the single market, whilst our great universities

:45:10.:45:13.

received 155 million in European Union funds in the current funding

:45:14.:45:21.

cycle alone. When I talk to businesses they are incandescent

:45:22.:45:28.

that Tories are rejecting the greatest free trade Alliance on the

:45:29.:45:33.

planet. I can also say that having negotiated joint ventures, regular

:45:34.:45:39.

Tory undertakings and multi-million pound contracts across the Mack

:45:40.:45:45.

continents, I have never come across a negotiating position as inept as

:45:46.:45:52.

this government's. Give us what we want or you will duff up your

:45:53.:45:59.

economy. I have zero confidence in their negotiating future trade

:46:00.:46:03.

deals, deals in which Parliament will have no say. They will sell our

:46:04.:46:08.

socio economic birthright for a mess of right-wing pottage. When the

:46:09.:46:15.

Chancellor talks of changing our economic model he means turning the

:46:16.:46:21.

UK into a low-wage, low skilled tax haven with little or no welfare

:46:22.:46:28.

support. Over the third of children in Newcastle live in poverty. One in

:46:29.:46:33.

five of my constituents claims benefits. North-east workers are on

:46:34.:46:39.

average almost ?4000 per year worse off than ten years ago. Am I going

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to vote for a dystopian Ault right free-market future for them?

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Absolutely not. Already constituents and asking me questions I never

:46:54.:46:58.

expected to hear, might they be deported to the European Union? Just

:46:59.:47:03.

how racist is an insult have to be before they should complain? Will

:47:04.:47:06.

there be a nuclear war and which side will be we beyond? The

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government needs to accept amendments to this bill which ensure

:47:13.:47:19.

that our values, our socio economic model and our membership of the

:47:20.:47:27.

single market are safeguarded. Otherwise, democracy, my

:47:28.:47:29.

constituents and my conscience will fall.

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I am sorry I will have to make spirit speech is three minutes. I am

:47:35.:47:44.

privileged to take part in this bill today. I would say to them there

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when I went recently to a school in my constituency and asked the sixth

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form, the school council, how I should vote today and lead out of

:51:07.:51:09.

the problem that I have, every single one of them said, with your

:51:10.:51:14.

conscience. That is what I intend to do. I am a Democrat. Most of my

:51:15.:51:19.

constituency voted in a different way from me. I am a Democrat but I

:51:20.:51:25.

believe in a form of democracy that never silencers minorities. I

:51:26.:51:29.

believe the 48% in this country have a right to

:51:30.:51:41.

voice and the 46% or 45% the actual figure was in my constituency. So,

:51:42.:51:46.

today I am voting and speaking on behalf of a minority of my

:51:47.:51:49.

constituents. My first political memories are fine call's guides and

:51:50.:51:55.

Spain. I was thrown out of Chile in 1986 attending the funeral of a lad.

:51:56.:52:02.

I distrust politicians who spuriously use the national security

:52:03.:52:06.

argument to launch campaigns against migrants, refugees and ethnic

:52:07.:52:10.

minorities. I feared the turn this world is ticking towards national --

:52:11.:52:17.

narrow nationalism,. Distrust of those who are different from ours

:52:18.:52:22.

can all too often turn to hatred of foreigners and that way lies the

:52:23.:52:29.

trail to war. I know that is not the tradition of the Rhondda. We were

:52:30.:52:34.

built on migrants, from England, from Scotland, from Italy. And the

:52:35.:52:40.

silent was built on the sweat, the courage and the ingenuity and they

:52:41.:52:45.

get up and go off Huguenots, Normans, Protestants fleeing the

:52:46.:52:53.

prosecution, Polish, Spanish nurses, Indian doctors, Afro-Caribbean 's

:52:54.:52:56.

who wanted to make this country great. So I have stood at every

:52:57.:53:02.

election on a platform and manifesto, a party manifesto that

:53:03.:53:05.

said that we would stay in the European Union. That was my solemn

:53:06.:53:09.

vow to the people of the Rhondda. I lost that thought. I admit it. I

:53:10.:53:14.

lost it in my constituency but I have not lost my faith. It remains

:53:15.:53:19.

my deep conviction that leaving the European Union, especially on the

:53:20.:53:28.

terms the government will expect, we'll do undo damage to my

:53:29.:53:30.

constituents, especially the poorest of them. Of course I give way. I

:53:31.:53:34.

think my honourable friend give way. He is making a very brave and

:53:35.:53:39.

compelling case. I came in the chamber today not having finally

:53:40.:53:43.

which way to vote. Does he agree with me that if I believe the

:53:44.:53:47.

government was my plan is not the interests of my country and my

:53:48.:53:51.

constituents, then I should join him in the lobby and vote no to the bill

:53:52.:53:58.

tonight? Well I am going to vote further recent amendments to night.

:53:59.:54:03.

I believe that is in the interests of my constituents. Maybe they will

:54:04.:54:09.

take it out on me like to coat in Bristol. In the end there is no

:54:10.:54:15.

reason for any offers being a member of this House if we do not have

:54:16.:54:20.

anything to believe in and fight for. It is so dangerous this moment

:54:21.:54:24.

because the government has stated that this moment is irreversible.

:54:25.:54:30.

This is it, folks. No or never. In the most uncertain of times, we are

:54:31.:54:34.

being asked to vote for a completely unknown deal. Yes, I know we are

:54:35.:54:39.

going to leave the European Union. I know the House will fall further. My

:54:40.:54:44.

vote cannot change that. But I believe this will leave us poorer.

:54:45.:54:51.

Weaker and aft far, far greater danger in Europe and in the West and

:54:52.:54:57.

in this country. So, Mr Speaker, I say, not in my name. Never, never,

:54:58.:55:05.

never. It is a great honour to speak on this historic debate. On June the

:55:06.:55:12.

23rd we saw 52% of the United Kingdom, 57% of people in Derby

:55:13.:55:16.

voted for the UK to leave the European union. In Derby vote

:55:17.:55:22.

turnout was 70%, almost double local elections with 18,000 more people

:55:23.:55:26.

voting to leave than remain. Personally, I had double rooted for

:55:27.:55:31.

a long time over my decision and I spent time listening to the argument

:55:32.:55:34.

and could see strong reasons to leave and remain. I started feeling

:55:35.:55:38.

towards leave but finally decided that remain in my opinion would be

:55:39.:55:43.

the best for the country and I campaigned hard for us to stay in

:55:44.:55:49.

the EU. Whilst out campaigning, people had been coming to me with

:55:50.:55:52.

real messages saying they wanted a clamp-down on immigration, an

:55:53.:55:55.

opportunity to stand on a and make their own decisions. But on the

:55:56.:56:01.

other side there was uncertainty regarding the country's future,

:56:02.:56:03.

being outside of the EU and the long-term implications and

:56:04.:56:12.

consequences did have. Now this is a decision that will ship this country

:56:13.:56:14.

for generations and it's one that we must respect and insure it becomes a

:56:15.:56:18.

reality. We need to make sure we look forward so that future

:56:19.:56:19.

generations benefit from this version two. It is now the time to

:56:20.:56:24.

look for the opportunities Brexit can bring to our country and this

:56:25.:56:27.

will be challenging. The avenues of trade and investment that the

:56:28.:56:33.

government is working hard to create with new friends and partners inside

:56:34.:56:38.

and outside of Europe. Since the referendum I have been

:56:39.:56:56.

speaking to wide range of people and businesses in my constituency of

:56:57.:56:59.

Derby North and they are now looking forward to the urgency that brags

:57:00.:57:02.

that brings and there is a feeling of optimism to ensure small, medium

:57:03.:57:04.

and large businesses drive after we leave. Whilst acknowledging the

:57:05.:57:06.

complexity of the negotiations. On the point the member of North

:57:07.:57:20.

Cornwall raised about eyes being wide and looking up. Would my

:57:21.:57:21.

honourable friend agree with me, honourable friend agree with me,

:57:22.:57:29.

saw both sides of the argument. And written to me now,

:57:30.:57:37.

saw both sides of the argument. And we should be looking forward such as

:57:38.:57:38.

heard from the member of North heard from the member of North

:57:39.:57:39.

forward. Personally I am excited it is clear that people are looking

:57:40.:57:45.

forward. Personally I am excited about the prospect that lies before

:57:46.:57:48.

us as I believe we have a genuine opportunity is to have new

:57:49.:57:50.

relationships and trade deals to make this country even better,

:57:51.:57:52.

taking us forward proudly unsuccessfully. The great repeal

:57:53.:58:08.

Beale will be the start of going forward and I am confident this

:58:09.:58:10.

government will and must safeguard Annan and is the employer and human

:58:11.:58:18.

rights, holding dear the British values we all share. We should be

:58:19.:58:20.

mindful that we are not leaving Europe, we are leaving the EU. As I

:58:21.:58:23.

mentioned, 57% of those are voted in Derby voted to leave and I feel we

:58:24.:58:29.

have responsibility to negotiate the very best deal, not just for the

:58:30.:58:32.

people of Derby, but for the people of this country as a whole.

:58:33.:58:37.

Democracy is about listening to the people and as my honourable friend

:58:38.:58:39.

from Sleaford and North Hykeham said in her excellent maiden speech, this

:58:40.:58:46.

is not a request, it was an instruction. Mr Speaker, there

:58:47.:58:53.

should therefore camp, there should be a time for us to come together

:58:54.:59:06.

and not be divided on this decision. Our responsible it is to the public

:59:07.:59:14.

that we represent. And that is why I will be supporting this bill. I

:59:15.:59:27.

welcome this debate here today. It has been a good debate with people

:59:28.:59:36.

opening the heart and telling the honest facts as they see it. And

:59:37.:59:39.

this is a historic decision. A decision that we are taking in

:59:40.:59:41.

Parliament. But let us not forget that the decision has already been

:59:42.:59:46.

delivered by the people of the United Kingdom. They have at the

:59:47.:59:49.

receipt. We gave them the opportunity to have their say and

:59:50.:59:57.

they have had it. It has not been as was indicated here earlier today,

:59:58.:00:10.

that it was an act of madness of this House. I deplore that

:00:11.:00:18.

suggestion. This was a decision that was delivered by the people and we

:00:19.:00:20.

must respect it. Yes? People can have their views and I can respect

:00:21.:00:23.

those views any year as well. But I live in a constituency which is

:00:24.:00:26.

right out in the west of the United Kingdom. I am bordered by four

:00:27.:00:35.

counties in the Republic of Ireland. So we need to have flexibility. But

:00:36.:00:39.

let us move on and get that flexibility. Let us have that Common

:00:40.:00:41.

travel area, let us have an open border, as open as possible, so that

:00:42.:00:44.

we can have good friendships with the rest with the European Union,

:00:45.:00:49.

when we leave the European Union. Because we are not leaving Europe.

:00:50.:00:57.

We are as good as Europeans as anybody. Our ancestors went and

:00:58.:00:59.

fought for Europe. We went the same as our colleagues from Scotland,

:01:00.:01:02.

England Wales and many other Commonwealth countries as well. We

:01:03.:01:04.

went and help those Europeans and we still want that Common relationship.

:01:05.:01:10.

But the people have delivered a decision for us. I think it is more

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important now that we look to how we make the best of that decision. We

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need to get the best for all constituents, for the people of the

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United Kingdom. And the only way to do that is to work in harmony as far

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as reasonably possible. I am happy to give way. I thank the

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honourable member for giving way. Would he agree that we have

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unfettered access to travel across these islands and

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borrowing... I agree with the honourable member.

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We are Northern Ireland support that position. What we wanted for the all

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of the United Kingdom. There is a great trade between the Republic of

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Ireland and Great Britain. Great trade between Northern Ireland and

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the Republic of Ireland and we want to see that flourish.

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One of the benefits of making a later contribution is the

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opportunity to reflect on earlier speeches and one came from the late

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yesterday evening when the member for Austen and Skegness, a supporter

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of remain in the referendum but representing a constituency voting

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to leave, set it very clearly why it is important to recognise the result

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of the referendum and we should vote to deliver the wishes of

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constituents and country. That is my position. Last week I met with some

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schoolchildren in my constituency on a visit and I got some pretty

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serious questions, which is why did I vote remain. I explained why I

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thought remaining was better for businesses and gave us a sense of

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certainty. They asked me why so many people voted to leave and I said

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that I believed people were attracted by the proposition of

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taking control particularly over immigration, and then they came up

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with a tough one, what happens next? Today's debate is all about this,

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the next two years. We have a clear and simple bill before us

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representing the result of the July - June referendum. I supported the

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decision to give the people a say. It was in the Conservative Party

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manifesto and 2015 my constituents gave me a significantly larger

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majority in parliament voted 6-1 in favour, so it follows that support

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for the referendum requires respect its outcome and as the member for

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Bedfordshire argued, I can't see how anyone can suggest otherwise. We

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didn't have a decision on this over 40 years, the body we are member of

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has changed and it is harrowing night we had that decision, but has

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with the United States election, if we ask a public a question we

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shouldn't be too surprised if they come up with an unexpected answer

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and it is our job to implement that. The decision presents us with

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opportunities and that was borne out to meet any discussion with the

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small business owner in my community. He joined me and handing

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out leaflets but he described the referendum decision, as a business

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owner pitching to retain custom for his business, and we are that

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decision had gone against that company, the customer decided not to

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renew. A businessman has to start to look elsewhere for other deals and

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that is precisely the approach this government has taken today with the

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formation of a new department for international trade, making deals

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for new partners and managing the process of leaving. I have

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misgivings about the route we are about to go down but we must respect

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the wishes of the people and bring forward a bill to support

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