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of the day in both Houses of Parliament at 11 tonight, first, | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
questions to the Cabinet Office Minister, Ben, full of second | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
reading. -- Ben Gummer. Wednesday, 22nd of February, thank you. | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
Although, questions to the Minister and... INAUDIBLE | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
Neil Parish... Minor likeness, I beg your pardon! | :00:19. | :00:40. | |
LAUGHTER The government published its review | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
to the response of electoral fraud, on the 27th of December, the | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
response clearly sets out the action that the government intends to take | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
out on each recommendation and proposes a conference programme for | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
reforming the electoral system and making democracy more secure. My | :00:56. | :01:02. | |
apologies to the both of you, I'm not sure who is more offended(!) | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
LAUGHTER In December, 2008, I was an election | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
observer in Bangladesh, because of previous voter fraud, they | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
photographed 80 million people, and it was clearly identifiable when | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
people went to vote map so has the government considered this, because | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
in a democracy we need as many people devote as possible but we | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
don't want theft of identity when people vote? A very good point made | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
around international comparisons, many countries across the world | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
including Canada, Brazil, Austria, that already have photographic ID | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
when it comes to pulling stations including in Northern Ireland, | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
introduced if 2003. The government is taking forward pilots in looking | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
forward at electoral identification, this will take place in local | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
government elections of 2018, we will test various forms of | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
identification, photographic ID, non-photographic ID, to make sure no | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
one is disenfranchised. The government talk of voter fraud is a | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
smoke screen for voter suppression. Macro Barack | :02:07. | :02:14. | |
they are putting obstacles between people and the voting booth, instead | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
of boosting democracy. If it is such a problem, can the Minister report | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
family convictions there have been four voter fraud last year? I'm | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
surprised the honourable gentleman for somehow claiming this was a | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
smoke screen, it was a Labour government which introduced | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
photographic ID in Northern Ireland in 2003, the electoral commission | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
and all other administrators have called for ID in polling stations, | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
when it comes to looking at IDE, we will test this vigorously when it | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
comes to pilots and when it comes to convictions, 481 cases of voter | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
fraud reported to the election commission and 184 additional cases | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
reported to the police. -- when it comes to looking at ID. 30% of the | :02:57. | :03:04. | |
population believe there is an issue with voter fraud when it comes to | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
their local area and it is perception we are looking to tackle. | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
The number of organisations that the Minister has just quoted, plus the | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
organisation for Security and Corporation in Europe warned us that | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
are a voting system is particularly vulnerable to identity theft. Given | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
that all those countries that the Minister said, there is no evidence | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
of any voter suppression, do you think, does the Minister think that | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
those who seek to use these conspiracy theories are in grave | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
risk of becoming apologists for electoral fraud? We are determined | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
to ensure that we have a clear and secure democracy, that voters can | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
have confidence in that system. As a government we have 46.5 million | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
people on the electoral register, Turner increasing to 30.8 million in | :03:56. | :04:02. | |
2015, we are determined to ensure that we have voter participation but | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
it is right that if there is a public perception that fraud is an | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
issue, perceptions can be as damaging as cases of fraud itself. | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
Has the Minister made any equality impact assessment on recommendations | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
which would ban the use of any language other than English or Welsh | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
in pulling stations? When it comes to the package of measures that we | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
reported back on Sir Eric's report, looking at the issue of language is | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
an important one, it is important that when comes to electoral | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
administrators doing their job and being confident that no one is put | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
under it and you pressure when it comes to voting, that we look at the | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
question of language. When it comes to government announcements, they | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
will be thorough and analysed correctly and we will go through due | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
process to make sure impact assessments are correctly cooperated | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
with. Number two, Mr Speaker. With your permission, I shall answer this | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
question, and question three and five together. In response to the | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
review of electoral fraud by my right honourable friend, we outline | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
the intention to run a number of pilot schemes, at a number of local | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
authority areas in 2018, the purpose of this is to test the impact on | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
elections of asking collectors to present identification. Would my | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
friend agree with me that voting is one of the most important duties of | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
a citizen, and introducing proof of ID would bring voting into line with | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
other everyday transactions like buying a mortgage or renting a car? | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
I agree with my honourable friend, when it comes to voting there cannot | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
be a important transaction that you can make over five years the two | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
elected your counsellor or MP, it is right that that process is | :05:52. | :06:01. | |
respected. -- -- than to elect. Turning up and claiming your name as | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
your identity, does not happen anywhere else and it is time to | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
bring democracy up-to-date. Voter fraud is unacceptable and I welcome | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
any measure to secure democracy. Swindon borough council has | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
repeatedly been commended for good election practice, with the Minister | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
consider us for future pilots? I would like to thank my honourable | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
friend for his question, we have a great deal of interest from local | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
authorities in the pilot process, at the moment we are conducting a | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
review to decide exactly what the form most pilots will take, some | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
will be photographic ID, some will be non-photographic ID, at the same | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
time we are determined to ensure that interested local authorities | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
can come forward in due time to participate. I addressed the | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
Association of electoral administrators at their annual | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
conference on Friday in Brighton, and 40% supported introducing ID in | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
polling stations. My honourable friend is absolutely right, this is | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
common practice in many sophisticated democracies around the | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
world, what best practice has the government been taking on those | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
other countries? One double friend is entirely right, by introducing | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
pilot schemes we will provide invaluable learning for | :07:22. | :07:22. | |
strengthening the electoral system but we also want to learn from | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
international comparisons such as canister, Austria and Brazil which | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
require voter identification. Voters in Northern Ireland, as stated, have | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
had to present identification since 1985 and photographic since 2003, | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
further information is available on the report, and we will consider | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
these international comparisons going forward. Thank you Mr Speaker, | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
the government is deluding itself if it thinks that impersonation is the | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
main challenge to the integrity of the democratic system, in fact, a | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
main challenge to its integrity and credibility is the fact that | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
millions of our fellow citizens who are entitled to vote do not do so, | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
would the government not be better to spend time and money on pilot | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
projects designed to increase participation such as a radical | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
overhaul of how we teach democratic rights in schools, pursuing online | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
voting, and most of all, automatic voter registration, so that the | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
ability to vote is not something you have to apply for. I'm grateful for | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
him to raise that point, we have a record 46.5 million people now on | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
the electoral register, Turner at elections is at a record level, what | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
we can and must do more. The idea of a Clare and -- the idea of a clear | :08:39. | :08:47. | |
democracy is important. INAUDIBLE I will be setting out the democratic | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
engagement strategy later in the spring, which will set out further | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
pilots. INAUDIBLE Will the Minister give the assurance | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
that the issue of postal vote applications and proxy vote | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
applications which also can be the subject can be kept under review in | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
terms of identification of the accurate person who is supposed to | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
be applying for the postal vote? I'm very grateful for that point being | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
raised, when we publish the response to Eric Pickles's report, the top | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
line was ID in polling stations but there are an entire package of | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
measures that include looking again at postal vote fraud, and banning | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
harvesting of personal votes by political parties and eliminating | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
the number of postal vote packs that can be handled by family members | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
down to two. The electoral commission tells us 3.5 million | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
genuine legitimate electors do not have valid pieces of photo | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
identification which would be required in the trials and they risk | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
being denied their votes. The motion was recently asked opposing the | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
trial in Kendal, Burnley are considering a similar motion, when | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
will the Minister abandoned his Republican party's playbook on voter | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
suppression and listen to the sensible voice of the good folk of | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
Lancashire? The honourable lady mentions the electoral commission, | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
what she omitted to say was that they have stated the full and | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
considered response from the government and the announcement of | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
the intention to pilot measures, the election commission are in favour of | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
introducing photographic ID when it comes to elections, what we have | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
said, when it comes to the pilots, we want evidence -based policy | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
making, that is why we will have pilots that look at photographic ID, | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
and non-photographic ID, but let me say, when it comes to ensuring | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
people will be able to vote I will not be denying anybody that | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
franchise we are protecting communities that are most vulnerable | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
from actually casting their vote in a secret ballot. We must protect | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
against and you've implements. I'm surprised she does not take this | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
seriously. -- we must protect against undue. INAUDIBLE | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
It is perfectly legal for local authorities to be able to set their | :11:10. | :11:25. | |
own procurement rules, taking into account additional factors such as | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
human rights record and environmental impact? Local | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
authorities must comply with European Union law, they are | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
enshrined in the public contracts. Would my right honourable friend | :11:39. | :12:06. | |
Tommy Hamid a people he has in his departmental staff that run a small | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
businesses and can understand small businesses when they seek to procure | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
public-sector contracts and against bureaucracy? My team of two | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
comprises of one person who has run several small businesses and one who | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
is a sole trader. That is 100% fulfilment on his request. We also | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
have a small enterprise ambassador who worked at the council to make | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
sure we are doing exactly as he wishes. Before he quit a friend of | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
mine empowered Waitrose managers... I'm not blaming him! Empowered | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
Waitrose managers to go out and procure local products. Cover not | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
give similar encouragement to bodies like county and district councils? I | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
commend everything that the honourable gentleman's and has done. | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
I know he will bring that expertise in due course to the people of the | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
West Midlands. What I will say is that although councils and public | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
bodies cannot choose according to geographical criteria, what they can | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
and must do is take into account the social value of the procurement | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
policies and that is why there is latitude for them to have similar | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
approaches to the one that his friend conducted at Waitrose. | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
Ministers have talked a great deal about linking apprenticeships to | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
public procurement contracts, a sensible use of public funds to meet | :13:42. | :13:52. | |
both the schools agenda. The commission confirmed last week that | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
only 10% of new apprenticeships are taken from those from low-income | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
families. Given the Cabinet Office's unique place to promote this agenda, | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
what is the minister doing to tackle this unacceptable situation? The | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
honourable gentleman raises are just point. The whole point behind the | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
apprenticeship programme is to give opportunities to people who would | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
not otherwise have them. That is why the 3 million target we have is | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
important. The public sector will contribute a significant proportion. | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
I'm responsible for the civil service component of that which is | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
successful. We've launched the standards that will surround some of | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
the civil service apprenticeships and a hope in time we will fulfil | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
Philby aspiration we both had that it will help social mobility. The | :14:45. | :14:55. | |
government has identified photographic and non-photographic | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
identification that will test ID on all aspects of election, including | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
turnout. I know the electoral commission on the report in Northern | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
Ireland said that less than 1% of voters were affected by photo ID. | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
That is why we want to look at both to make sure there is no | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
disenfranchisement taking place in our pilot. The Electoral Commission | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
reported in 2016 that 3.5 electors will have no appropriate form of | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
photo IDs. Why is it that the government is ignoring | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
recommendations to have a voluntary voter card which would allow those | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
2.5 million people to vote? The honourable gentleman is a fine | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
historian. Like me he believes in looking at evidence -based policy | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
making, which is why we have constructed the pilots to make sure | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
there is photographic and non-photographic identification. If | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
there is anyone who has no form of identification, we will make | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
provisions for them. When it comes to the electoral ID card rolling out | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
across the country, it will be expensive and we have no plans to do | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
so. Workforce planning is primarily the responsibility of each | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
individual department, but in answer to her specific question, civil | :16:15. | :16:23. | |
service headcount reduced by 303,090 -- 3390. Will he publish the | :16:24. | :16:33. | |
assessment regarding Brexit and the work streams that have been cut. We | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
have worked since July to make sure we have the proper resources in | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
place to make sure our exit from the European Union is done effectively | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
and efficiently. Departmental plans will have the kind of outline she is | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
seeking. As my honourable friend continues to modernise the civil | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
service headcount, will he make sure that apprenticeships will lead | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
towards a more diverse workforce to serve our communities? I will assure | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
my honourable friend precisely that. My predecessor started a programme | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
of understanding better the social and economic make-up of the civil | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
service and we will make sure that there is more social equality and | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
diversity in our civil service. We are seeking to find savings of | :17:24. | :17:40. | |
?15 billion by 2020. We have achieved the 3p in the last year. As | :17:41. | :17:49. | |
a councillor I have seen how the commissioning of services from one | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
provider by different public sector bodies can drive down costs, | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
providing high-quality services at lower costs. Are there lessons to be | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
learnt from all sectors of government and this programme is | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
evidence that the public sector can deliver more for less. He is right | :18:11. | :18:20. | |
to point out the Cabinet programme, but many of the lessons we can learn | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
is from local government and others in terms of sharing services and | :18:26. | :18:37. | |
cutting costs. Will he ensure that the public services can share data | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
because that will provide efficiency? There is a bill passing | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
through the house that will do just that. We are committed to | :18:46. | :18:56. | |
improving public services with advanced technology. We are doing | :18:57. | :19:06. | |
server using tools such as verified. I would liken to reassure the house | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
and the government that he is doing everything he can to make sure that | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
people can access public services online, particularly for those hard | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
to reach groups, like in my rural constituencies. | :19:21. | :19:31. | |
By ensuring we have good broadband connections are my honourable | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
friend's constituency, we will make sure they can access the information | :19:38. | :19:45. | |
online. The Cabinet Office is the centre of government. The department | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
is responsible for delivering a democracy that works for everyone. | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
We are also driving efficiencies to make government work better. Can the | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
Minister provides an update on any progress with the PM's order to | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
tackle racial disparities, given so much is already known about these | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
disparities. Should not then the government be getting on with doing | :20:12. | :20:19. | |
the great -- a great deal more about them now rather than waiting for an | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
audit. I find that a surprising thing from the honourable lady. It | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
was this government and this Prime Minister that commissioned the | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
racial disparity audit. Her party when in power have 13 years to do it | :20:33. | :20:40. | |
and did not. I'm proud of what the Prime Minister has done, we will be | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
publishing the audit within the next three months and she will be excited | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
by the possibilities of making things better in this country. Safe | :20:48. | :21:02. | |
tech engineering offers security for cyber issues. They need to be | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
licensed by another list company of the MoD. Will businesses be able to | :21:08. | :21:23. | |
access the markets they need? I have a responsibility for small and | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
medium enterprises and I will take forward his concern to make sure | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
they are represented. Since 2010 the has been more than 100,000 civil | :21:35. | :21:46. | |
service jobs gone. The 300 new recruits for the Brexit department, | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
is the Minister really, really serious that the UK are properly | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
prepared to enter the most complex negotiations for generations? The | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
reality is it is an absolute shambles. I am fully confident and I | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
am fully confident that the civil service and the marvellous people | :22:09. | :22:26. | |
who... Last week I met with the Sussex Police to discuss issues | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
including electoral fraud. What steps are being taken to make sure | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
that the government are involved with the returning officers. Last | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
Friday I addressed a conference of the National police chiefs and | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
electoral commission setting out why things need to be done. There have | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
been cases in the past were convictions have not been followed | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
through. It is wrong and I hope that changes in the future. One of the | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
government publish departmental performance regarding its commitment | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
to deliver ever higher levels of UK steel content in procurement policy? | :23:11. | :23:19. | |
My honourable friend knows it was this government that established a | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
far more rigorous understanding of how still content was in public | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
procurement policy. I will update him on the progress we are making. I | :23:27. | :23:33. | |
applaud the government's efforts to give more contracts to small and | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
medium-size enterprises and the use of technologies such as their | :23:40. | :23:46. | |
websites. How many businesses are signed up to this website and how | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
can I get more businesses in Wisbech to sign up? As of yesterday there | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
were 15,007 job and 45 businesses signed up. -- 15700 and 45. It is | :23:58. | :24:09. | |
easy to sign up and the best he can do is to tell them to do so. Will | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
the Minister enhance strength in the Northern Powerhouse to make sure it | :24:16. | :24:23. | |
you'll sure SMEs can take advantage of public procurement contracts? In | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
the methods I have been describing today, I shall. Will my right | :24:27. | :24:37. | |
honourable friend accept that when we are told that it's good to talk, | :24:38. | :24:45. | |
government departments are making it infinitely more difficult for | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
members to contact private offices on behalf of their constituents | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
because of the inaccuracies and the withdrawal of the central register | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
of private office numbers? Can the Minister tell us when the practice | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
of putting the communal number in the register will be stopped and the | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
individual numbers of ministers private offices are stored as it was | :25:09. | :25:17. | |
so began a public communication between ministers officers and | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
members on behalf of other constituents? Mr Speaker, I own | :25:21. | :25:27. | |
members an apology for this. If it is true that some of the telephone | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
numbers in the directory were both inaccurate and some were general | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
numbers. The revision is being made quarterly. The next one is in March | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
and I have instructed all departments to provide private | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
office numbers as members rightly expect. Order. Questions to be Prime | :25:43. | :25:50. | |
Minister. Mr Toby Perkins. In addition to my duties I shall | :25:51. | :26:08. | |
have further such meetings today Mr Speaker, the Government chose to | :26:09. | :26:10. |