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efforts that continue to be given that we will see that progress and

see the invitation of a power-sharing executive in a very

short period of time. -- implication.

Secretary Sajid Javid. With permission Mr Speaker, I would like

to update the house on the government's response to the

Grenfell Tower tragedy and safety inspection of cladding in other

public buildings. Almost three weeks have passed since the tragedy.

Progress has been made to help the survivors and those in the

surrounding buildings affected. Landlords across the country have

taken measures to make the building is safe. Sir Martin Moore Bic has

been announced to lead a public enquiry and an independent expert

panel is now advising my department on any immediate action on fire

safety that is required. The disaster at Grenfell Tower should

never have happened. The police investigation and public enquiry

will find out why it did. Right now the immediate priority of the

government is to provide every assistance to those who were

affected and to take every precaution to avoid another tragedy

in buildings with similar cladding. The Grenfell Tower business unit is

operating from my department and providing a single point of access

into government. Staff from across government continue to offer support

at the Westway assistant Centre and a family Parisian centre. Almost

?2.5 million has been distributed from the ?5 million Grenfell Tower

discretionary resident fund. Each household affected will receive

?5,500 to receive immediate assistance and so far payments to

112 households have been made. There has been much speculation about who

was in Grenfell Tower on the night of the fire, and it's vital we find

out. As I announced yesterday, the Director of Public Prosecutions has

made it clear that there will be no prosecution of tenants at Grenfell

Tower and Grenfell walk who may have been illegally sublet in their

property. All tenants can be confident about coming forward with

information for the authorities. There may have been people living in

flats that were illegally sublet who had no idea about the true status of

their tenancy. Their families want to know if they perished in the

fire. These are their sons, daughters, brothers and sisters.

They need closure, and it's the least they deserve. But that can't

happen unless we have the information we need, so we are

urging anyone with that information to come forward and to do so as

quickly as they can. The immediate response to the Grenfell disaster is

being co-ordinated by the Grenfell response team, led by John Baradari.

He's been supported by colleagues drawn from London councils, the

wider public sector, police, health and Fire Services, as well as

central government. Their expertise and hard work is making a huge

difference. But this is only a temporary measure. It's vital we put

in place long-term support for the longer term recovery. It was right

that the leader of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea took the

decision to move on. I look forward to working with a new leader of the

council and I will look at every option to ensure everybody affected

by this tragedy as the long-term support they need. The Prime

Minister promised that every family who lost their home because of the

fire would be offered a good quality temporary home within three weeks.

The deadline is this Wednesday. I have been monitoring the progress of

rehousing, and we will honour that commitment. Every home offered will

be appropriate and of good quality. What we will not do is compel anyone

to accept an offer of temporary accommodation that they do not want.

Some families have indicated that they wanted to remain as close as

possible to their former home, but when they receive their offer, took

a look at the property, they decided it would be easier to deal with

their Parisian and if they moved further away. Some families have

decided they would prefer to remain in hotels for the time being. Other

households have decided they would like to wait until permanent

accommodation becomes available. Every household will receive an

offer of temporary accommodation by this Wednesday. But every household

will also be given the space to make this transition at their own pace

and in a way that helps them recover from this tragedy. The people

affected by the disaster at Grenfell Tower need our assistance and they

are receiving it. They also want answers. Sir Martin Moore-Bick has

been appointed to lead a full public enquiry. He has visited Kensington,

met with victims and survivors, and members of the local community who

have done so much to help. After consulting with the community he

will then advise on the terms of the enquiry and we will ensure there is

legal support for victims so they can play their full part. We must

allow that enquiry and the criminal investigation to run their course.

Each must have the space to follow the evidence wherever it takes them.

We must all be careful not to prejudge or prejudice either of

them. What we can do right now is take sensible precautions to avoid

another tragedy. The building research Establishment is continuing

to test the combustibility of cladding from councils and housing

associations, as well as private landlords. So far, all the samples

of cladding testing has failed. 181 out of 181. It's disturbing there

are such large numbers of buildings with combustible cladding and the

priority is to make those buildings safe. Where appropriate mitigating

measures can't be implement it quickly, landlords must provide

alternative accommodation while remedial work is carried out. That's

exactly what happened in the four tower blocks in Camden. Our primary

concern has been buildings over 18 metres, six stories, where people

stay at night. Hospitals and schools are also being assessed. We

ourselves have asked questions about the testing regime after discovering

the 100% failure rate so far. Last week I asked for the test process

itself to be independently reviewed. This was done so by the research

institutes of Sweden, and they have confirmed that they believe the

process to be sound. A full explanatory briefing note on the

testing process has been made available on the government website.

As the note explains, every failed test means the panels are unlikely

to be compliant with the limited combustibility requirement of the

building regulations guidance. This has been confirmed by legal advice

and the advice of the independent expert panel that was established

last week. For use of the panels to be safe, landlords need to be

confident that the whole wall system has been tested and shown to be

safe. We are not aware of any such system having passed the necessary

tests, but I have asked the expert advisory panel to look into this

further. Almost three weeks have passed since the catastrophe that

hit Grenfell Tower. I know I speak for every member of this house when

I say we are still all in shock. It's not just the terrible scale of

the suffering. It was that it happened in 21st-century Britain, in

London's richest borough. I will continue to direct the full

resources of my department to assist the Grenfell response team. I will

work closely with the new leader of the local council to make sure there

are plans in place for a long-term recovery, and I will return to this

hours regularly to update honourable members on the process. I think the

Secretary of State for the prior copy of his statement. He struck an

appropriate tone today. These are complex challenges for government,

national and local. Ministers have been off the pace at every stage

since this terrible fire. Too slow to grasp the scale of the problems

people are facing and too slow to act. For the Grenfell Tower

survivors, for the victims' families, and for the local

community in North Kensington, underlying everything is the

question of trust. That those in the positions of power mean what they

say, do what they promise, and don't drag their feet before acting to

deal with the problems. That's a powerful message that must be

understood by ministers, Kensington and Chelsea Council, and the chair

of the public enquiry, Sir Martin Moore-Bick. The Grenfell Tower

residents understood what the Prime Minister meant when she said, I have

fixed a deadline for everyone affected to be found a new home

within three weeks nearby. It is three weeks on Wednesday since the

fire. How many people are still in hotels? The secretary of state gave

the latest version of the government's promised today, a good

quality temporary home within three weeks. Does this include Hotel

rooms? How temporarily is temporarily? And by what data will

all residents affected by the fire be in permanent new homes? And while

we are trying to get the number is clear, how many survivors are there

from the Grenfell Tower? How many have not received the government's

immediate assistance payments of ?5,500? Turning to the wider fears

of those living in 4000 other tower blocks around the country, the

government said 600 tower blocks with cladding needs safety checks,

but nearly three weeks on the Secretary of State confirms today

only 181 have been tested so far, and all have failed. Will he accept

these tests are too slow and too narrow? Will he confirm the

government is only testing one component of the cladding, not the

panels, adhesives, insulation, not the cladding as a company composite

system. All perfect fire safety qualities. We'll be secretary of

state confirm cladding is not the whole story. We know this from the

two coroner reports after previous fires four years ago. Will he acts

now, not wait for the public enquiry, to reassure residents in

all other tower blocks, by starting the overhaul of building

regulations, retrofitting sprinkler systems, starting with the highest

risk blocks, and making very clear the government will fund up front

the full costs of any necessary remedial work is to mark turning to

the public enquiry, the Prime Minister has rightly set up the

enquiry to get to the bottom of what went wrong at Grenfell Tower and

hope help make sure this can't happen again. She said no stone will

be left unturned, yet Sir Martin Moore-Bick has said, I have been

asked to undertake this enquiry on the basis it would be pretty well

limited to the start of the fire and its rapid development. The Secretary

of State, I recognise the importance of the independence of the enquiry,

but will he make clear what brief Sir Martin has been given by the

Prime Minister for the enquiry? John Boro Dale is leading the strategic

coordination group at present, providing the coordination and

leadership that Chelsea and Kensington Council itself couldn't

do after the fire. How long will baby running these operations? What

is the hand back plan, and who will they hand back to? There are deeper

flaws in this council beyond the very serious failings in response to

the Grenfell Tower tragedy. Every public statement from the ruling

politicians confirms that they are in denial. These are exactly the

deeper problems that commissioners and a full corporate governance

inspection would help put right. The government is still off the pace. If

this counsel were a school, it would be in special measures. Fresh

leadership would be needed, fresh confidence will be built and must be

built in this counsel. Actions speak louder than words, and actions count

most in helping the Grenfell Tower survivors, and in rebuilding their

confidence in the future, and also rebuilding the wider public trust

that must be there for the residents who live in our tower blocks, and

make them their homes across the country. Sajid Javid.

I thank the Right Honourable gentleman for his comments. I will

start with the first question around temporary housing. Our commitment

has been clear and unchanged from day one, all residents of Grenfell

Tower and Grenfell Walk will be offered temporary accommodation in

Kensington and Chelsea or a neighbouring borough within three

weeks. What that offer means is precisely that, I want to make sure

they have high-quality accommodation offered to them that is appropriate

for their family type and family size, but they will not be forced

and should not be forced, except accommodation they do not want to

move into at this point. I was down at the Westway Centre again on

Saturday. My honourable friend the Housing minister was there on

Sunday. I met with many residents again on that day and talked to many

about their needs. I wanted to listen to them, because when

officials have come back to me and said they find a lot of them are

saying they would rather stay in hotels for now, and perhaps then

exercise an opportunity to move into some of the permanent accommodation

already identified, especially the 68 units at Kensington Road, that's

something we should take into account. It would be wrong for us to

say, you can't stay in hotels, you will have to move and then move

again. We should be led by them. I have also met residents who said

they thought they wanted somewhere close to where they lived before.

When I went there, despite the property being high-quality and

appropriate in many ways, when they went out side they could see the

tower and they were reminded of things they would rather not be and

they have changed their mind. I am sure the right honourable gentleman

is not saying we should force families to accept it no matter

what. We will be led by the families and their needs. Our commitment is

clear that come when steak every single family, every household that

has come forward to us so far from Grenfell Tower and Grenfell walk

would have been offered high quality temporary accommodation.

Does that mean hotels? Hotels are emergency accommodation, temporary

accommodation, I saw some examples of this myself in a neighbouring

borough on Saturday, high-quality temporary accommodation, it might be

houses, flats, what ever is the choice of the resident, and then

there is permanent social housing to identify the permanent social

housing especially if it is in the borough, if that is the desire of

the family, it will take more time. It is well known we have identified

68 units already and there are other units we are very close to adding to

that availability by the game that will be the permanent housing that

we will be able to offer those families and let them decide if that

is something they feel is appropriate for them -- but again.

The testing process can only move as fast as the samples that come in and

since I gave my last statement there has been a sharp pick-up in the

number of samples coming in from the local authorities and from housing

associations and we are turning those around within hours of those

coming in and the results immediately going to the landlord.

You asked about the test and how it works, it is testing a component of

each of the cladding panels and it is testing the core of the panels

and it is taking a sample and then categorising it in terms of limited

combustibility, category three, two or one, being deemed as not meeting

the buildings regulation guidance. He also asked about whether it is

testing the whole system, but it is testing because the panel. It is

possible that there can be whole system tests, that is not the test

that is currently being conducted at the expert panel is now advising and

they are meeting again to advise how that can be done appropriately so

that we can convince that the whole system test works and leads to a

positive result but so far we are yet to see any evidence from any

build-up where they have shown that they have passed this whole system

test. The right honourable gentleman also asked about funding and again

we have made it very clear that what ever measures need to be taken, to

make building said, local authorities, housing association

said get on with those -- to make buildings safe. We are ready to

discuss funding and we will work with them. You also asked about the

public inquiry and he has pointed out that it is independent, we have

got to be very careful what we say about it. In this house and

elsewhere. But let's remember that Sir Martin Moore-Bick started

immediately and he started meeting victims and volunteers and others

and he will set out the terms of the inquiry and he's not there yet, he

should take the right amount of time necessary and make sure that the

inquiry is very broad and to the satisfaction of the victims and

their families and friends and that they feel that the terms of

reference are appropriate. Lastly, you asked Mack Kensington and

Chelsea, and clearly the response team at Grenfell that is being

referred to, is being led appropriately with tremendous

resource on the local government sector and voluntary sector -- you

asked about Kensington and Chelsea fought at some point the process of

will transfer to the council. We are not at that point yet, but at that

point we need to make sure the council is properly resourced with

expertise as well as money and any other help that it needs and we will

make sure when that happens it is properly resourced. Chris Davis. Can

you confirm that you are working with devolved governments to make

sure that every tower block around the country is going to the same

fire safety tests? Yes, I can confirm that. So far the worst

government have identified 13 tower blocks with ACM and they are being

tested. Kirsty Blackman. Thank you very much. I thank the Secretary of

State for coming to make the statement on the Grenfell Tower

badge de and I saw the statement in advance which was very useful. --

Grenfell Tower tragedy. I would appreciate knowing how many are

still to receive payment and the timescale for those payments and how

long they are likely to take. I along with many have been approached

by residents who live in multistorey blocks and I would like to commend

the work that local authorities have been doing in terms of taking action

to test buildings and also taking action to reassure tenants. I used

to live in a multistorey and I understand the access issues people

are concerned about. I appreciate the moves that have been made by a

number of organisations working together in order to provide

reassurance. I would restate the position of the SNP that the public

inquiry should be as wind raging as possible and every stage of that,

the views of the survivors should be taken into account -- wide ranging.

I would ask for assurances that residents are being helped as far as

possible in the placing lost documentation that they may have

lost in the fire. -- replacing. And also asking about those residents

who is families would like to take part in the inquiry, who live

abroad, and the financial help to make sure they can come to the

inquiry and to take an active part. Lastly I would welcome the

confirmation that they will be no prosecution of the tenants and it is

important that anyone who has been living there comes forward and I

welcome the government's views around that. First of all in terms

of payments so far, from the discretionary fund, ?5 million

available from the fund, 2.44 million has been paid out so far and

of the grants, 249,000 have been made and there have been 112

payments of the ?5,000 grant. I also should remind people that the

listing has no impact on benefits and any other conversation that

people might receive. I agree that the inquiry should be as wide

ranging as possible and should have the input of the victims and their

family and friends. They must have the legal presentation. In terms of

lost documentation, I can confirm that from the Westway centre and the

victim support unit in my department in Westminster, there has been

almost every government department represented and one fantastic

example I saw that on Saturday, when I met the team from the DVLA from

Swansea and what they had done, when they turned up at the Westway centre

within a couple of days after the disaster happening, they had already

printed out driving licences and brought them with them so as

residents were turning up and saying I need a driving licence, expecting

to make an application, it was handed to them when the ID check was

done, and that is the extent many government departments had gone to

and that is what we expect as we continue to help these people with

their recovery with these victims. You have described the test taking

place in local authorities and schools and hospitals, what

conversations have you had with the insurance industry with regards to

totally private tower blocks? Leeds has had much regeneration. It was

likely that insurance companies have a vested interest make sure that

these blocks are also dealt with before regulations might into place?

You are right to point that out and I know the insurance industry has

been taking great interest in the work that is happening especially

with regard to testing. The Chancellor had a meeting with the

insurance industry just last week. David Lammy. The Secretary of State

will be aware that the statement from the new independent chair that

the scope of the inquiry might be limited to the start of the fire and

how the spread has caused alarm amongst its survivors, can he say

more about that and can he confirm that all survivors will get proper

independent legal advice. Yes, I can confirm that. When I was there again

on Saturday, after the first visit made by Sir Martin Moore-Bick, a

number of survivors and their families all made that point to me

and I think it is worth reiterating and making clear that the inquiry,

while the judge will determine that for himself, that we all expect it

to be broad and as wide-ranging as possible and absolutely we want to

make sure that all the victims and survivors feel that they are

properly represented and get the proper financial support given. You

have sadly informed the house that so far 100%, 181 samples taken from

buildings have failed the combustion tests, and without wishing to

prejudice the public inquiry and any future criminal action, would you

tell the house whether there is one of origination source for this

cladding or if it is multiple sources which hints at a more

systemic failure across the industry? It is multiple sources.

We hope that he celebrated his honeymoon with great joy, but may I

point out, he beat old into the chamber 70 minutes after the

statement staff -- he beetle into the chamber 17 minutes after the

statement started and it is a slight cheat to expect a question. --

slight cheat. The government was told it was

capable of processing 100 tests a day but we are now aware there are

419 tower blocks that have not been tested, can you tell us where the

backlog is and how many samples are in the lab and how many have not

been provided across the country and what he's doing to make sure they

all supply? There is no backlog because we can only process the

tests as soon as the sample is coming and when they come in they

are processed within hours and the landlord is informed along with the

local Fire and Rescue Service. In terms of the numbers, the original

estimate, before we have received back the information from the local

authorities and housing associations, there could be up to

600 buildings that were similarly clad and we now think it is around

530. I commend the Secretary of State for the speed of cladding

testing he has referred to. Could you tell the house where there are

interim recommendations made, what processes are in place to make sure

landlords comply with them and carry them out? What we have done in the

immediate term, where there is a piece of cladding that fails the

test we have made sure that the landlord in that case is informed

immediately and the local Fire and Rescue Service will carry out the

fire safety check and we expect all those recommendations to be

followed, but with the involvement of a local Fire rescue service and

the fact they will report back to my department, we are able to monitor

progress. I don't think the Secretary of State made reference to

the review of building regulations which officers had the chance to

raise with the Prime Minister we were grateful with that opportunity.

This review was recommended and it is 11 years since the last review,

can he tell us has the independent panel experts, the power and

authority to recommend a recall of the building regulations advisory

committee working party on approved document be so that this work can

begin now rather than wait until the end of the public inquiry?

The honourable gentleman makes a very important point about building

regulations and guidance. Clearly, there will need to be changes, we

need to look very carefully at the causes. The fact so many buildings

are failing the guidance test. The expert panel has a wide remit,

broadly it is to recommend to government any action that they

think we should be taking that will improve public safety, more and

longer term we will set out in due course how we intend to tackle a

much wider review that we think is going to be necessary. Some have

suggested that survivors have been forced to move to cities in the

North of England. Can the Secretary of State reassure this house that

nobody who chooses to not move out of London will be deemed

intentionally homeless? I can. I can tell my honourable friend that I too

have heard these kinds of rumours and yet nobody has come forward with

any evidence of such thing taking place. I can also reassure my friend

that I wrote to every resident on Thursday to make it very clear. The

safety of plastic appliances is a vital element of many homes. Will

the government revisit the decision of March last year to dismiss or

delay many of the recommendations of the review into product recall,

which I commissioned in 2014? And will he recognise that this is

inadequate and urgently must be addressed? I can tell the honourable

member, my right honourable friend, the Secretary of State for business,

is looking at this very seriously. He's a member of the task force that

has been discussing this. He's spoken to many about what can be

done to recall products more quickly and safely. I find the sophistry of

the Secretary of State quite sickening. People are refusing

offers of accommodation because they are not suitable, not because they

are fussy people. The units of social housing being offered our

existing social housing so what happens to the people who would have

gone into those? We will have a net reduction. It is an open secret that

the administration could not run a bath. That is why they had such a

raw deal for so long. When will he put country before party and sending

the commissioners? The honourable gentleman is a local London MP. He

has an opportunity to put party politics to one side and do the

right thing for his constituents. They are watching him. On Friday

afternoon I met with the chief Executive and leader of my borough

council in Corby and they assured me that all the requests have been

carried out by the local authority. Is there anything more that

individual members can do to support people working in local party lines

and review processes ahead? I can tell my honourable friend that one

rule is making sure their own constituents are well informed about

the testing process and what the result actually mean. That is why we

published this explanatory notes. Many members have taken that note

and used it to inform their constituents. Can I come back to the

issue of commissioners. They can be put in to manage their social

housing responsibilities. I do believe they should only be put in

in extremists. But surely this is an extreme example of a failure of

government? Will the Secretary of State say what consideration was

given to this request, what factors he's taken into account, and does he

have full confidence in the ability of Kensington and Chelsea to manage

their social housing stock? What the honourable gentleman rightly

highlights is when control of the recovery effort, when that

transfers, we need to make sure the right resources are there, including

good leadership. That is not about to happen. Before that, the

government will consider any options that can bring that about. The

Minister describes having a broad and wide-ranging enquiry and yet

there is a small remit. Can the minister explain this conflict

because this has to get us the answers in the end? What I can tell

the honourable lady, and she will now it is important that the judge

set the terms of reference. It is just the beginning of the process

and I would urge her, give the judge time, speak to victims and

volunteers and then come to the final judgment. This terrible

disaster raises questions about the effectiveness of local emergency

planning and I was wondering what steps are being taken here and

elsewhere to ensure they have good emergency responses should other

disasters befall them. One of the lessons from this tragedy is making

sure across the country we take a look at planning for civil

emergencies. That has already been done. Based on the intelligence of

survivors it appears a number of flats were overcrowded and we have

to assume they were being inhabited illegally. It has been identified as

a problem. What other ministers doing to ensure they are properly

declaring vulnerable people who work in the building on the night of the

fire and about not profiteering from survivors? One of the steps we have

taken to recognise was the announcement made yesterday by the

Director of Public Prosecutions, which is to say that we want anyone

with any piece of public information to come forward and that's why this

guarantee that they will not be prosecuted was offered and I think

that will help make a big difference. I've been visiting para

blocks across my constituency with fire officers and housing officers

and residents remain very concerned and do not understand why the

government and successive ministers appear to them to have ignored the

recommendations of the coroner report on sprinklers. I would

suggest ministers shaking their heads opposite try visiting my

constituency, stand on the 15th floor and explain it to the

residents why they are now sprinklers. I think it is good that

she has been visiting para blocks in Bristol, I hope she's been able to

reassure some of her constituents, but she's wrong on the

recommendations from the coroners report. Those recommendations were

implemented fully. Given what the Grenfell Tower fire has exposed

about the combustibility of external cladding in the UK, can the Minister

confirm whether appropriate tests are being conducted at non-high-rise

buildings as well as high-rise buildings? Our priority has been

buildings that are taller than 18 metres, more than six stories, and

residential, because that's where you would expect the height risk.

That is the starting point and the priority and we expect after dealing

with that we can make the testing facility available for all other

types of buildings. I'm sure the Secretary of State will recognise

that many other public buildings have para blocks as part of their

accommodation. Can he confirm how many hospitals have been tested so

far and how many have failed those tests? I can confirm, as I

mentioned, hospitals and schools and other buildings in the public sector

are being looked at. It is work led by the policy unit and that process

is going on. What has already happened, even before the cladding

can be tested, we've made sure that the local Fire and Rescue Service

has been informed and any mitigating measures have been taken. The

Secretary of State has said testing of the core of the cladding has led

to 181 failures, but also that that meant they had breached the building

control. Is that building control at the time the cladding was put up or

as it stands today? I can tell the honourable gentleman the last time

there was any significant change was 2006. Much of this cladding took

place in the early to thousands -- 2000s, there has been no significant

change in guidance pertaining to fire safety for a number of years.

When I mentioned in my statement that they failed the limited

combustibility test, it is the same test that has been around for a

number of years. Can I just take the Secretary of State back to

hospitals? Mine has got cladding put on in the last few years. The whole

Royal Infirmary management team have been very reluctant to tell the

public about what additional checks have been taken. After being pressed

by the local BBC they have admitted that the cladding has been sent for

testing. Isn't it about time we had a statement from the Secretary of

State for Health so we can be clear about all the hospitals and

buildings with cladding so the public know what's happening? I can

assure the honourable lady this is being taken very seriously. Where

suspected cladding has been found for any hospital, whether a tall

building are not, that cladding has been submitted for testing. Even

before the results of those tests are back, those local health trusts

have taken action. Many of them have put in place full-time fire wardens

24 hours a day to make sure they are providing maximum public safety. The

lessons of Hillsborough are that survivors must be listened to at all

times, the enquiry must be transparent and comprehensive. What

assurances can the Minister give in relation to Grenfell Tower? I agree

wholeheartedly. There is an important lesson to learn, and I am

confident that the judge will represent that as he approaches his

enquiry. The first public saying we will see of that is when he sets his

terms of reference. Fire box -- high-rise blocks in my constituency

are people with English, elderly or per access, will he worked to

develop effective strategies to protect those most vulnerable

tenants in the effect of a fire or other disaster? There are already

many rules and regulations in place but I do think it is important in

terms of all the lessons we are learning that we make sure we do

everything we can to protect the most vulnerable. I understand the

Secretary of State and his department are focusing on the

cladding but can I comment on the installation. It was combustible

three times quicker than the cladding, experts say that we should

look at a system of noncombustible installation. Can I ask what he's

doing to investigate the safety of insulation, and when buildings are

clouded and the installation is exposed to the elements. What the

honourable gentleman highlights is the police report also rightly

referring to the installation. What has happened since then is the

guidance we've given to local authorities and housing associations

has been immediately updated to say that there should be checks on

insulation as well. Point of