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normal for us not to have opposition day debate by this stage. In 2015 by

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the summary says after the general election we had already had five

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opposition days. Order. We are not opening up the debate, it has been

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dealt with. We will move onto the next business. The ministerial

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statement, Secretary of State for Defence. With permission, Mr Deputy

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Speaker, I would like to update the house on the counter Daesh campaign

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in Iraq and Syria and the United Kingdom's involvement in this

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collective effort by some 68 coalition nations, as well as the

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Arab league, Interpol, the European Union and Nato. On Monday, three

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years after be Daesh Aleida declared his so-called caliphate, victory was

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declared in Mosul. Today, Daesh's black flag is no longer fly. The are

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now only small pockets of resistance in west Mosul. I'm sure the whole

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House will want to join me in praising all of those involved in

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the operation. Over the last nine months, Iraqi security forces,

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including the Kurdish Peshmerga, have fought in challenging

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conditions to root out a callous enemy. Over 1200 Iraqi soldiers have

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been killed in the fight for Mosul and more than 6000 wounded. I pay

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tribute to the coverage and the sacrifice. They had been supported

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with the permission of this House since September 2014 by the RAF

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whose precision strikes represent two thirds of the coalition effort

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outside of the United States operations against more than the 750

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Daesh targets. The Army has trained over 58,000 Loki in -- local Iraqi

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personnel. The royal navy has helped to protect aircraft carriers from

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which strikes have been flown. The United Kingdom's cyber capability

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has disrupted the extremists' activity. In Iraq 1.8 million people

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have been freed from Daesh's Croll rule. Daesh have now lost more than

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70% of the territory they once occupied in Iraq, but the liberation

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of Mosul does not mean that by Ash has been defeated in Iraq or Syria.

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-- Daesh. We need no reminder of the danger they still pose. In the past

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few months our nation has suffered from three appalling attacks

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inspired by the ideology shared by Daesh. I want to update the house in

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three areas. First the military effort. We must ensure that there

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are no safe havens for Daesh in Syria and Iraq. That is why Iraqi

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security forces with the United Kingdom support will go on now to

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defeat Daesh, to uproot them from the Euphrates River Valley and clear

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the area of improvised explosive devices which let the lives of so

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many innocent civilians. As Iraq is secured, and we have months to go,

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we will continue in Syria. They have rejected Daesh from 51% of the

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provinces they occupy. The SDF are relying heavily on coalition air

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assets, reconnaissance and pinpoint missile strikes which we will

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continue to provide as part of the global coalition. As we maintain

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pressure on Mosul and Raqqa, we will continue to tighten the net around

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this callous organisation, squeezing the terrorists on simultaneous

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fronts, striking the senior leadership, capturing the poisonous

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narrative and cutting off their finances as they progressively lose

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access to the oil infrastructure on which they rely. Second,

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humanitarian aid. We will continue to provide stabilisation and

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humanitarian assistance. The International Development Secretary

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updated the house yesterday on the humanitarian response that is

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required in Mosul. Yet while that city can at last look forward, the

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humanitarian situation in Syria remains dire. 13.5 million people

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urgently need humanitarian assistance. 4.5 million of them are

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in areas which are hard to reach and 1.3 million of those living under

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siege like conditions. Around 100,000 civilians are estimated to

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be remaining in Iraq are city, caught between Daesh and Assad in

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desperate need of aid. Our response has been to commit 2.46 billion in

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support for Syria. The largest ever British response to a single

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humanitarian crisis, and all the while pushing for better access that

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much-needed food and medicine reach people and for an end to attacks on

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civilians. UK support has helped to stabilise the region more widely.

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Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan have become hosts to large scale simian

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populations and my right honourable friend the International Development

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Secretary's Department has ensured that those departments have been

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given the assistance they need in hosting large refugee populations in

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improving regional security and reducing consequent migration

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pressures in Europe. Thirdly, stronger governments. Humanitarian

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aid is only part of the answer and meaningful political settlement is

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needed now to guarantee sustainable peace. So we are working with our

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international allies to strengthen regional governments. When it comes

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to Iraq, the Foreign Secretary emphasise this to be Foreign

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Minister Jafar Read, it means inclusive politics post Mosul,

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allaying fears addressing the grievances that led to the rise of

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Daesh and sticking to the April 20 18th election timetable. In Syria

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the barbaric chemical weapons attack in April reminds us that the Assad

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regime is no partner for peace. We continue to work for a transition

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towards new governance, fully representative, that is committed to

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protecting the rights of everyone in Syria. It is for Syrian is to decide

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how that happens as part of a Syrian transition process, but to reach

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that goal we continue to support the work of the United Nations special

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envoy, as well of the political process that he is overseeing in

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Geneva. We are engaging as well with the opposition to help them move

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towards a political settlement and we use our role in the Security

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Council and our participation in the international similar support group

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to push for process. The recently negotiated ceasefire and the

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escalation agreement brokered by the United States, Russia and Jordan is

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welcome. We hope it will lead to further de-escalation agreements. It

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all depends on all the parties involved bow and we encourage them

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to comply. What will count, and we have seen these agreements before,

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what will count is what holds on the ground. In conclusion, Mr Deputy

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Speaker, as I took office three years ago this week, Daesh were

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closing in on the gates of Baghdad. Today they are a failing

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organisation, what one that remains a threat. Mosul has now been

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liberated, but the war remains to be won in Iraq as well as Syria. Our

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resolve is unwavering as a leading member of the coalition. We will do

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all we can to defeat Daesh and bring stability to the region, to provide

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greater security to our people and to our allies at home and abroad.

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Hear, hear. Can I thank the Secretary of State for his statement

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and for advance sight of it. Mr Speaker, the liberation of Mosul

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marks the end of three years of Daesh control of the city and we pay

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tribute to all of those personnel who have taken part in this

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campaign, especially our service men and women, who have served in the

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operation. Whilst the battle for Mosul has almost been concluded, we

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know that the fight against Daesh in Iraq and the wider region is far

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from over. Then I asked the Secretary of State about the nature

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of the support the UK will continue to provide show show -- to provide?

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We know our Armed Forces have taken every precaution to prevent civilian

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casualties. However, Amnesty International has produced a report

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that is highly critical of the Iraqi government and the coalition. It has

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been alleged that the actions of the coalition in Mosul have been

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disproportionate and even, I quote, unlawful. I know that Major General

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Rupert commander of the international anti-Daesh commission

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has condemned the report in the strongest possible terms, saying

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that it is deeply irresponsible and he has emphatically stated that we

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should not forget that it is Daesh who are deliberately killing

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civilians. Can I ask the secretary of state what his response is to the

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Amnesty report? The Iraqi government has concerns about the possibility

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of Daesh fighters crossing back into Iraq from Syria. So what role with

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our Armed Forces play in ensuring the security of the border between

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Iraq and Syria? As the operation moves from counterintelligence to

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counterterrorism. -- counterterrorism, come the Secretary

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of State update the house on the support and training that we will

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continue to give to the Iraqi ground forces? The campaign against Daesh

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in Syria is undoubtedly a more challenging and complex situation

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that in Iraq. There are limitations on what the Defence Secretary can

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tell the house, but can I ask the Secretary of State to be more

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specific on the role our Armed Forces will have in the role of

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liberating Raqqa from Daesh control? Finally, as the Secretary of State

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will be aware, a member -- members have been calling for a service

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medal for service men and women on this operation. It is now the time

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to provide proper recognition to all of those who have served on that

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operation and who have played a vital part in the fight against

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Daesh and its perverse ideology. I am grateful to the honourable member

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for what he said, particularly about the role of our service men and

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women. Many of them have served the nearly three years, under some

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intense conditions and it is right that we should across this House pay

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tribute to them. Is here about the next stage of this

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campaign. Also has not fallen and there is a pocket of resistance.

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Appear of our Tornado and Typhoon were over the city yesterday. There

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is still work to be done. There will be work to be done to assist the

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Iraqi forces in the capture of Tal Afar and in the campaign. The

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campaign goes on. It might become more complex as Daesh spreads out

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and moves to some of the less populated areas. Yasmine about the

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Amnesty report which I have not seen. I would certainly recommend he

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heeds the words of the deputy Coalition commander. I can reassure

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the host that so far as our own participation in the Coalition air

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strikes we carry out, these are absolutely lawful and are conducted

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in accordance with the law of armed conflict and international

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humanitarian law. We have rigorous rules of engagement. There are

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robust targeting features. They are aiming to strike targets with a

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weapon that is designed and a choice of weapon that is designed to

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absolutely minimise the risk of civilian casualties. And legal back

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afterwards to do an assessment of the blast area and whether or not

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there were any unforeseen consequences. And where there are

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allegations that there had been civilian casualties or the wrong

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building was hit, we on the Coalition side absolutely

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investigate those allegations, we publish their findings, in

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distinction to what the Russians have been doing in Syria, we

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investigate and publish findings and of mistakes were made or procedures

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need to be corrected then that is done. But I want to assure the House

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that I have seen no evidence as of yet that an RAF strike has involved

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civilian casualties and I wait to see that evidence being produced. If

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anybody has any evidence then it needs to be forwarded to us, as

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indeed other organisations like air awards have been doing throughout

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the conflict. And be ready to investigate. Otherwise I would urge

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extreme caution in the handling of the Amnesty report. The honourable

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gentleman asked me about the border area between Iraq and Syria, it is

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that metal bit of the Euphrates River valley where we anticipate

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Daesh will coalesce having been driven out of rancour and Syria

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eventually and from morsel and tell far in Iraq. And our training effort

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will now of course be Iraq from the training we do that Al acid airbase

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in Amla province, to improve the capability of the Iraqi forces to

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police their border having secured it. And we will be doing more of

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that in conjunction with our other allies. Yasmine about the campaign

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in Syria. We will continue with air strikes. Yesterday appear of our

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aircraft were in action at the edge of Iraq are assisting that campaign.

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There is a lot of work to be done before Raqqa is liberated and other

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towns in the Euphrates River Valley remain under Daesh control.

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Certainly the air campaign, the Intel gathering, will probably

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become more important as Daesh eventually start to disburse around

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some of these smaller towns. Finally, he asked me about metallic

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recognition. I think the whole house would want to see this huge effort

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properly rewarded. I am awaiting final advice from the military and I

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hope to make an announcement on that shortly. Me I firstly say to the

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Secretary of State that the reason why surely these cities have not

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been liberated sooner is because of the care that has been taken in the

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targeting of the area of bombardment? But does he accept that

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whereas the intervention with air strikes in Iraq was noncontroversial

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because we are prepared to see the army of the Iraqi government win,

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the same does not apply in Syria? Can he tell the House apart from the

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Kurdish elements in Syria, who else does he expect to run the country

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when Daesh's land is taken from it? If not the Syrian government, with

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or without Assad? Let me repeat your congratulations to my right

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honourable friend on resuming his chairmanship of the select

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committee. I look forward to working with him on that. We have always

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differed on the nature of the Syrian campaign and I know he has had

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reservations on it. I think he is right to recognise the difference.

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We are not working with the Syrian regime, however we do want to see

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Daesh driven out of Syria. It remains a threat in Syria to this

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country and needs to be defeated in Syria. But of course as he says we

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then need those parts of Syria returned to civilian control and a

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control that is properly involving the Arab population. That is all

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part of the process we are encouraging in Geneva. The solution

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lies in Arab led governments committee is right. Can I also thank

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the Defence Secretary for his statement and to put on record the

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tribute of the SNP to the forces involved in liberating morsel to the

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extent it has? And extend our congratulations to the right

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honourable gentleman, the chair of the Defence Select Committee on his

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real action? The whole house will welcome the diminished status that

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tend to know his. Pass there is a difference of opinion in how to

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defeat them. There are two mac specific areas of concern I would

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liken to address. One concerns the dramatic rise in the past few weeks

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in civilian casualties. In June alone, there has been a 52% increase

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in comparison to the month of May. Somewhere between 529 and 744,

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according to air awards whom he mentions in response to the shadow

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minister. Can the Minister outline if you will make a commitment to

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greater scrutiny and transparency on that. Will he ensure that there is

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dedicated mechanisms within operation shader for UK forces. I

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have written to him specifically about this. The 2015 mandate of this

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House was very clearly about targeting Daesh, nobody else in

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Syria. I tried to get some clarity from him on Monday. I don't know if

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he misunderstood my question, but I didn't get the clarity are seeking.

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Will he confirm that mandate in 2015 to target Daesh stands? And the

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government has no plans to expand that target to any other actor. If

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it does, as the US president seems to wish the United Kingdom to do, it

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will only happen on the back of a debate and vote for members of the

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House? I'm grateful to the tribute he has paid to our Armed Forces. It

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is worth reminding us that the Scottish Nationalist Party against

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military action in Iraq and Syria. It's all very well to see the now

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welcome the fact that Daesh has been defeated in Iraq, without air power

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and British air power, how much longer would Daesh have continued to

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behead people, to shoot people, to throw people off buildings without

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the involvement of 68 countries around the world? But without the

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support of the Scottish Nationalists. I think he should just

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reflect on that. So far as ten are concerned, yes we work with them

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when they have allegations and they suspect they might have been British

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aircraft in the air at the time. Look at the information, we

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investigated, so far we haven't found any evidence of civilian

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casualties being caused by British strike, but we continue to work with

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Air Wars. We also carry out up battle damage assessment to see what

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effect the strike has had. He is quite right to speak about the

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increase of British casualties in the final weeks of the battle in

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West morsel. A highly compact city. Very densely populated with Daesh

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shooting hostages if they tried to escape. A kind of tense urban

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warfare we have not seen and not been involved in since probably the

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Second World War. A very complex military operation. I pay tribute to

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those involved in doing the job and the skill of our pilots alongside

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the rest of the Coalition. Yasmine about the on Monday. I signed a

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letter yesterday. It gives clarity on the point he raises. Is the

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expectation of sufficient reform in Iraq realistic? Yes indeed. The

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government itself is representative of all parts of Iraq. The president

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is a my opposite number is a SUNY. The government is genuinely

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represents a. But it has work to do regarding some provinces in the

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West. They must feel part of Moder in Iraq and will be protected from

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any kind of sheer aggression which they have suffered from in the past.

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The government has lasted longer than some critics originally

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suggested. The Secretary of State referred twice regarding the

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negotiations in Geneva. He didn't mention the Russian tackiest Iranian

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initiative and the Astana Kazakhstan meeting. What is the British

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Government's assessment of the role of that process and the fact it

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seems to be undermining efforts in Geneva? We support any genuine

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efforts to reduce violence in Syria and bring the civil war to an end.

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Not able to endorse the process for a number of reasons... We want the

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kind of pluralistic governance in Syria that we now have in Iraq. And

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one that does not require further interference from Iran. I was

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delighted to share my honourable friend referring to the need for

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inclusive politics Post a morsel in order to win the peace, as well as

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the war in Iraq. Can he assure the House that the government is going

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to keep up pressure on the regime saw the new governor of morsel fully

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respect the rights of all populations living there?

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Absolutely, and unequivocal yes. It is so important now that the city

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administrations and the governments themselves get engaged in this

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process of political reconciliation. I continue to do that. My Foreign

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Office colleagues continue to urge that on the government as a

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precondition for the kind of reconciliation we want to see. Can I

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welcome the liberation of morsel and paid tribute to members of our Armed

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Forces who have been involved? Because of the tactics of Daesh, the

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costs in infrastructure to the people of morsel has been great.

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Kenny outline what actions will be taking to improve infrastructure of

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morsel and to allow the return of refugees who have fled their in the

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past few years? We have seen an encouraging number

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of people returning to East Mosul in large numbers. Markets are reopening

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and schools are beginning to reopen as well. East Mosul, West Mosul has

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been much more badly damaged than East Mosul and there is a huge

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amount of reconstruction to be done there. That will be led through the

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United nation 's development programme, to their own coordinator,

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but we will be playing our part in that, both financially and in terms

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of the organisation of that rebuilding programme as well. RAF

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pilots and service personnel have played a vital role in this

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coalition campaign, particularly my constituents flying from RAF

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Coningsby. Does my right honourable friend join me in thanking my

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constituents who have taken part in the operation and can he explain

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please be vital role that the RAF plays in ensuring freedom of

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movement on the ground enabling Iraqi forces to combat Daesh? I am

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grateful to my honourable friend. It is right that we pay tribute to the

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RAF and not just the pilots, who are always mentioned on occasions like

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this, but the huge numbers of other members of the RAF, the aircrew,

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those who service the players and guard them and those involved in

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intelligence work, studying and preparing the targets. It has been a

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massive effort. We have seen the our area -- we have seen the RAAF work

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at its highest tempo for over a quarter of this entry. The role of

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the RAF has been huge. It is noticeable that of the strikes that

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were not conducted by the United States in Mosul, over 60% of them

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were conducted by the RAF and not by any other country, simply because of

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the precision of our pilots, the intelligence in targeting and the

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precision of the weapons chosen for each of those strikes, but the RAF

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will be involved in support as we see Daesh moving out of these areas.

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Can I join the secretary of state in paying tribute to the men and women

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of our Armed Forces and the civilians that support them. Since

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the last review took place, there has been a change to our national

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security context, a general election and a referendum where Britain has

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decided to leave the European Union. Plans to government now have two --

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what plans do the government have two conduct a strategic security

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review? The campaign in Iraq is not over and has many months to run. I

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expect British personnel to be involved until 2018, and the

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situation in Syria is even more complex. The last strategic review

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was 18 months ago. The threat it says -- the great it set out the...

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That review did not forecast the referendum of the result of the

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referendum. I don't think we can blame defence intelligence for that.

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A lot of people did not protect that event, but it was only 18 months ago

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and of course we will have a look and see whether any of it needs any

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kind of refresh. The role played by British Armed Forces in mentoring

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and training Iraqi forces has been critical. What plans do we have for

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continuing this support for the Iraqi military into the future? I am

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grateful to my honourable friend and I pay tribute to his own service. We

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are in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi government. Everything we have

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been doing as part of this coalition has been with the authority and at

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the request an invitation of the Iraqi government and I would

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anticipate, although we have not been into these discussions, that

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they would welcome the continuance of the coalition's training effort

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and support in deed of air power until Daesh is completely eliminated

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from its borders. We all welcome the progress made in defeating Daesh in

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Mosul and Raqqa and pay tribute to the bravery and tenacity of the

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forces on the ground and in the air in liberating so many people from

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Daesh's yoke. The secretary of state in great detail the detail the

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effort the RAF makes to avoid civilian casualties. Is he satisfied

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that all of our partners in the air campaign on making the same effort

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to avoid civilian casualties? Well the RAF -- world there are different

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rules of engagement for each country involved in this particular

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campaign. It is perfectly true there have been targets offered discussed

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within the coalition that we have chosen not to take and not to strike

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because of the rules that we apply. So each country approaches this in a

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slightly different way. However, so far as air strikes are concerned,

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the principal air forces involved are all working together all in the

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same headquarters and we have seen the walls that have been applied

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coming closer together over the duration of the campaign. It is

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worth saying finally that it is not possible to liberate a densely

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populated city like Mosul without sadly civilian casualties. That is

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simply not possible in those casualties of course have been made

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much worse by Daesh's policy of holding civilians hostage in

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buildings, shooting people trying to escape and generally making the

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population continue to suffer. Elijah with the secretary of state

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in paying tribute to the Armed Forces and can he reassure me that

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he is working closely with my right honourable friend for Bedfordshire

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Northeast, whom we all welcome back to the front bench, and with our

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allies in the region to ensure that as Daesh is pushed back, its

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fighters are contained and not displaced to pop up elsewhere in the

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region? Yes, this is an increasing part of the work of the counter

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Daesh coalition in which I participate so far as the defence

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effort is concerned, but my right honourable friend the Foreign

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Secretary and my colleague the Minister for the Middle East

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participate in in terms of foreign policy. We work across the coalition

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to ensure we can share intelligence on returning fighters, that we can

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explore how the Daesh leadership can now be held properly to account, let

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us not forget those British hostages who were beheaded two or three years

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ago and that where possible, those who committed these most heinous

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crimes can now be brought to justice. With more Yazidi women

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being freed this week with the liberation of Mosul, I wonder if the

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Secretary of State could say something about the particular case

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of the Yazidis and whether the government can come to a conclusion

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as to whether the treatment by Daesh is genocide? We are continuing to

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look for more evidence, specifically in relation to the Yazidis. We are

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accumulating evidence across the board as well so that those who are

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eventually detained can be properly held to account and that is

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something we are working at across the coalition. Will my right

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honourable friend join me in paying particular tribute to the Kurdish

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Peshmerga services who made an outstanding contribution in the

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defeat of Daesh and can he confirm that we are giving them all the

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support in training and weaponry and also medical care for the wounded?

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Is there not a case to provide specialist care here in the UK for

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the most badly wounded? I know the Minister for the Middle East is

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looking at that specific point, but I would also like to pay tribute to

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them and what has been an all Iraq effort. There has not been a

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distinction as people feared. The campaign to liberate Mosul was

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conducted by agreement between the different parts of the Iraqi forces

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and has been done so successfully. We did our part in training the

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Peshmerga and we train them so that the number of casualties could be

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reduced. Can I welcome the secretary of state's statements and agree with

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him that part of, an important part of moving forward is to counter the

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ideology of Daesh. One of the most eloquent ways that can happen is by

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demonstrating through the reconstruction of Mosul and Raqqa

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through the establishments of law and order and security for the

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people who live there that there are better systems of governing than

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those provided by Isil? Absolutely and that must be central to the work

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of stabilisation and reconciliation, that we have a form of governance in

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Mosul and the Council there and the wider provincial government that is

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genuinely representative of all interest in Mosul, and Mosul is a

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very complexity. All those living there need a proper stake in its

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future and we don't see the kind of conditions emerge under which

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something like Daesh can flourish. I would like to join others in

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welcoming the statements from the Secretary of State today and the

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liberation of Mosul. But as Daesh is defeated, I wonder if the Secretary

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of State can explain what steps have been taken by government to deal

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with the threat of dangerous individuals who seek to return to

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the UK? Part of the work that is being done in the coalition is to

:40:17.:40:20.

recover sensitive material in both Mosul and Raqqa as the Civic

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Democratic forces move into Raqqa to recover the kind of sensitive

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material that will enable us to track down some particularly those

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British foreign fighters who have been based in either city, or indeed

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for a fighters in those cities who have been involved in external

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attack planning against the cities of western Europe. We are urgently

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trying to recover that material which will enable us to identify

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more of those who are involved in that kind of planning and therefore

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ensure that they are detained and properly held to account. On the

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same theme, the Minister, the Secretary of State referred to

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Interpol. We note that would-be capacity returnees from Iraq,

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welcome though the liberation of Mosul is, this does close challenge

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to our already overstretched intelligence and counterterrorism

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services. Camber secretary of the state of the house that he

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the government 's -- Camber Secretary of State tell the House

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that resources will be forthcoming. We are working with police forces

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across the region to share intelligence and we will have better

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information when they attempt to cross the border back into Western

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Europe and that we each understand how we are likely now to prosecute

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those who have been involved in the fighting. Will my honourable friend

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agreed that we should pay special tribute to the Kurdistan region

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because they are building democracy and they have a rule of law and they

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played a huge part in defeating Daesh. Can he guarantee that we will

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do everything to build the emerging democracy? : I congratulate my

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honourable friend for his election to the chair of the education

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committee. We want to see the economy of that region improve and

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the stability of the region improve. The future of Iraq in the end is for

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the Iraqi people to determine. The fact that there is currently no

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evidence that there has been a single civilian casualty from an RAF

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strike in this campaign is extraordinary and commendable, but

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further to the question that my right honourable friend asked, what

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influence can be UK Armed Forces play on some of our coalition

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partners where clearly the rules of engagement have been different and

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the civilian death toll has been higher.

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I was very careful, I hope, to remind the House that this is war.

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Whilst we do everything is a Coalition to try and minimise the

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risk of civilian casualties, it is not possible to eliminate the risk

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entirely when you are freeing or trying to free cities from this kind

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of terrorism. I was equally careful to say there is no evidence yet of

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an RAF strike. I'm not claiming that it might never be the case, but so

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far no evidence has been presented to us. We work across the Coalition

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with the other countries involved in air strikes to ensure that broadly

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we are applying the same rules of engagement and are selecting the

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same targets. Institutions like mosques and hospitals are on our no

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strike risks and so on. When you have investigated it, you want to

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try to publish the findings. When you have investigated it, you need

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to set out how it will be put right. The atrocities of Daesh have failed

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to deliver the so-called caliphate. As they are flushed out of morsel,

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they will convene in other parts of Iraq and Syria. We must recognise

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our military will continue to play a role in defeating Daesh for a

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considerable time to come. The military campaign is not over yet in

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Iraq or indeed in Syria. We have every interest in staying the course

:45:55.:46:02.

because we need to keep our country safe. There are people still in Iraq

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itself who wish as harm. We want to carry out -- in Raqqa itself. We

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must not rest until the threat is removed. We must pay attention to

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what the Iraqi authorities want and the scale of the training they may

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now require. It is good to see so many people joining for my question.

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I want to add my tribute to our amazing Armed Forces who have acted

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with bravery and dedication during this conflict. Given the special

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role the Army has played in training and the depth and breadth of

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complexity in operations the Army now faces in this theatre and around

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the world, with the Secretary of State agree with me this would be

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the wrong time to reduce the number of our regular army personnel? And

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grateful to the tribute EP to our Armed Forces. He will have heard

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earlier what I said on the issue of metallic recognition for this

:47:09.:47:13.

particular campaign. We have no plans to cut the size of our Army.

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Our manifesto commitment was clear. We will maintain the size of our

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Armed Forces. Thank you. The liberation of morsel is a very

:47:27.:47:30.

significant moment in our battle against Daesh. With the Secretary of

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State agree with me the real victory will be the creation of a modern

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Iraq a state which is capable of governing itself for all the people

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of Iraq and making sure that it resists any infiltration by Daesh as

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we clear it out of Iraqi territory? I absolutely agree. That kind of

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moderate Iraqi state my honourable friend aspires to would not only of

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course reduce any threat to our country but it would be good for the

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region and the stability of the region as well. Iraq is already a

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democracy, a fragile democracy, but it is a democracy. It has called on

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its friends and allies around the world. And I welcome the Minister's

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statement and thank him for his commitment and leadership and to our

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soldiers for the significant contribution they made to delivering

:48:30.:48:38.

the peace? Peshmerga have been out part of the forces defeating Daesh.

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They seek the release of monies held in Baghdad for reconstruction. In

:48:48.:48:52.

other words, to deliver the transition to new governance

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protecting the rights of everyone. With the Minister agree to these

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issues being done right away? I'm grateful for the personal words with

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which he began. There are discussions now under way between

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the Kurdish authorities and the authorities in Baghdad on precisely

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those issues. We encourage them. In the end, this has to be further our

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disputes of this Kangas has to be resolved the different parties. The

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progress militarily in morsel is welcome. But the poisonous ideology

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that underpins Isil still continues. What is happening about any of those

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who choose to return home so we can apprehend them and make sure they

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are not a danger to UK citizens? On the first point, we have not yet

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defeated the virtual caliphate. It is important we know across the

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Coalition intensify our efforts to destroy that caliphate in cyberspace

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as effectively as we are beginning to undermine it in Iraq itself.

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Sarfaraz Khan returning fighters are concerned, it is predominantly a

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matter for the Home Secretary. However, fighting and working for

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Daesh, it is a proscribed organisation, fighting for Daesh is

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a criminal offence. With those people can be properly prosecuted,

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they will be charged on their return. In December 2015, we were

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assured that with the support of UK in air strikes, we could expect to

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see a traditional government in Syria in six months and there were a

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ground troops ready to carry out operations? How many of those 70,000

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ground troops ever actually existed? Of course we want to see Syria moves

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towards a new political settlement and we continue to encourage that.

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So far as the existence of moderate armed opposition in Syria is

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concerned, I'm sure the honourable member understands this civil war

:51:26.:51:30.

would not be in its seventh year if there had not been formidable

:51:31.:51:34.

moderate armed opposition to the Syrian regime. Who does he think has

:51:35.:51:41.

been fighting Assad? But during this time, since December 2015, it is

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important to recognise the progress that has been made in reducing Daesh

:51:45.:51:51.

itself. In reducing the amount of Syrian territory that it holds, in

:51:52.:51:56.

starting the battle to defeat it in its capital in Raqqa and thus

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overall to reduce the threat that Daesh posies to the United Kingdom.

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And I'm only sorry that although we have the support of 67 other

:52:08.:52:10.

countries round-the-world trip we did not have the support of the

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Scottish National Party. Eye to welcome the Secretary of State's

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statement. I welcome his comment about reducing the risk in the

:52:21.:52:24.

number of civilian casualties. Perhaps the benefit of those who

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have just entered the chamber committee could repeat the number of

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civilian casualties and repeat his confirmation and assurance he will

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do all he can to reduce further such risks in future? And grateful to my

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honourable friend, but I'm not sure the Speaker would welcome me

:52:42.:52:47.

repeating a statement have already given. What I want to emphasise I

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believe it is because of the rules of engagement we set, because of the

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careful use of intelligence and reconnaissance from the air, because

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of the skill of our pilots and because of the precision of the

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weapons that are selected for each strike that we are able to say to

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the best of our knowledge we have not caused significant civilian

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casualties on the ground. Thank you. I'd like to join with the Secretary

:53:17.:53:22.

of State and members of all parties in praising the work of our men and

:53:23.:53:28.

women in all three services. Does he agree the important and prominent

:53:29.:53:39.

role played by the air force and navy highlights our important role

:53:40.:53:46.

in assisting United States? The US has led this Coalition and I was

:53:47.:53:49.

able to review the next steps in Iraq and Syria when I met the United

:53:50.:53:56.

States Defence Secretary in Washington last Friday. He and his

:53:57.:54:00.

predecessor played a key role in leading this Coalition. They are,

:54:01.:54:05.

like us, we want to see us move on in Iraq to the work of stabilisation

:54:06.:54:10.

and reconciliation that must follow the military campaign. I to pay

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tribute to all those who have served so diligently to make such progress.

:54:19.:54:28.

My honourable friend rightly mentioned in closing his statement

:54:29.:54:33.

today the determination we need to battle this warped ideology and make

:54:34.:54:36.

the long-term stability in the region. But what we assurance can

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give to my constituents and all communities across the UK that this

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government is determined to share intelligence through Brexit and

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beyond to keep us all safer? Absolutely. We have made it clear

:54:52.:54:59.

that beyond Brexit we want to continue the various arrangements

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there are four security cooperation across Europe, including

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coordination between our intelligence agencies and the work

:55:07.:55:10.

of police in tracking foreign fighters. It is only by working

:55:11.:55:15.

together that we can ensure that this ideology is defeated, not

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simply in Iraq but on the wider basis. I am returning to the

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question of the skill of our pilots in terms of avoiding civilian

:55:28.:55:30.

casualties wherever possible. Could you please confirm this extends down

:55:31.:55:34.

to the selection of hot and cold targets, so that targets can be

:55:35.:55:38.

changed even at the last moment to avoid those casualties? Well, yes,

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these are operational matters for decision by our commanders out in

:55:44.:55:51.

the Gulf. But these are things that they keep under review before each

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mission is planned and well each mission is being carried out. And we

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had evidence of that yesterday in the strikes that a pair of Tornado

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and typhoons together took in both Raqqa and morsel on the same day.

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Thank you. I welcome the Secretary of State's statement. Like him, I

:56:15.:56:22.

welcome the fact the RAF played a key role in defeating Daesh on the

:56:23.:56:27.

battlefield. My concern is that they will now become a real organisation.

:56:28.:56:33.

What support will be given to assist local forces to assist them with a

:56:34.:56:36.

gorilla War zone? In strengthening their police, not

:56:37.:56:51.

simply the military so they are better equipped to deal with the

:56:52.:56:56.

threat of insurgency when the final remnants of Daesh go underground,

:56:57.:57:00.

particularly in the Euphrates River Valley. Defeating Daesh in one of

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its time capital is is a key step in demolishing the myth of a caliphate.

:57:13.:57:16.

In the statement, he also refers to undermining positive ideology

:57:17.:57:26.

elsewhere -- poisonous ideology. Were working with colleagues in the

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Coalition to deal with the extremist ideology. Were working to counteract

:57:36.:57:47.

it in cyberspace, taking down messages posted in the air, and were

:57:48.:57:55.

working at home on steps to improve the de-radicalisation effort where

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extremism exists in colleges or in the mosques and elsewhere. We work

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with the Muslim community to make sure it is properly recognised and

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tackled. I'd like to ask the Secretary of

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State, the war against Daesh is a complex form of unconventional

:58:17.:58:23.

warfare, cyber, propaganda, whatever, can my right honourable

:58:24.:58:29.

friend ensure this war will be properly studied and lessons

:58:30.:58:35.

learned? There is a tendency to see unconventional warfare as a one-off

:58:36.:58:43.

but it is more becoming the norm? That is a very important point and I

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hope that is recognised in the strategic review we carried out in

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2015. This is a war that has had to be fought using the full spectrum of

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responses, fought predominantly by local forces but requiring a

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spectrum of responses across the political domains and it's very

:59:05.:59:07.

important that we recognise this may well become the kind

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