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Hello and welcome to our live

coverage of the House of Commons, at

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330 Theresa May will make a

statement on the recent European

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Council summit, and update the house

on the Brexit negotiations, and this

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morning she and her ministers

discussed for the first time what

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the UK's long-term relationship with

the EU should be but what they

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decided, we don't know. Then the

committees and Local Government

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Secretary Sajid Javid will update

MPs on the government's response to

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the Grenfell Tower fire, and after

that the Home Secretary Amber Rudd

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will make a statement on harassment

in public life. The main business is

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pushed into the evening, and that

will be the birthday of scrutiny of

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the Finance Bill. Please join me for

a round-up of the day in both houses

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of Parliament after the Commons

finishes but first we have questions

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to the secretary of state for works

and pensions David Gauke.

James

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Morrison. -- Morris.

Over 5000

employees have signed up to

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disability conference since its

launch in 2016 and the disability,

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wouldn't business leaders group --

disability confidence business

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leaders group is made up of

prominent people and I'm pleased

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that all ministerial departments

have achieved disability confident

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leader status.

With the Secretary of

State agree with me that it has

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proved to be a very effective way of

breaking down barriers for disabled

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people to get into work, especially

addressing issues of stigma which

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many disabled people feel, and would

he consider attending my event in

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January.

I will certainly consider

your kind invitation but I do agree

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with the point he has made, it is

the case that many disability

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confident of events have been very

productive in engaging employers at

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a local level and encouraging them

to see the benefits of employing

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disabled people, and DWP supports

authorities and MPs in holding such

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events and maybe I will have the

opportunity in your constituency to

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attend one.

The truth of the matter

is, this simply isn't working, my

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constituent just graduated with a

nose in competing technology and he

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is blind, with a guide dog, but when

he tells prospective employers in

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advance, they just don't take its

application seriously -- graduated

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with honours. What is he going to

do? He has made 850 applications.

We

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have undoubtedly made progress in

the last six years, getting 6000

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more disabled people in work that

was the case in 2010, but there is

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more to do, which is why the

government has an ambition to

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increase that number from three and

a half million to 4 million over the

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next ten years which is why be

published our recent command paper

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on this subject, but it is important

that there is the culture change

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amongst employers so people like

Alan have the opportunity.

How many

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of the FTSE 250 companies have

signed up to this excellent

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campaign?

That is a very good

question and I will have to write to

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you with the answer. What I can say,

we have businesses, small and large

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are participating in this, like

Microsoft and GlaxoSmithKline,

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Sainsbury's, Channel 4, but also

many small businesses up and down

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the country have also signed up.

Can

I take this opportunity on behalf of

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the SNP bench is to offer our

condolences to the Deputy Speaker

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after the weekend's tragic incidents

and our hearts thoughts and prayers

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go out to him and his family. The

Chancellor told the Treasury Select

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Committee that far higher levels of

participation by marginal groups and

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high levels of engagement in the

workforce, or example disabled

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people, might have had an impact on

overall productivity measurement.

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The Chancellor belittled the efforts

of disabled people in the workforce,

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how disappointed with the Secretary

of State in this on helpful

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statement

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of State in this on helpful

statement?

Can I reiterate your

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thoughts about the Deputy Speaker,

but in response to the question, I

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do disagree, I think the point that

the Chancellor of the Exchequer was

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seeking to make is that we have made

great progress in recent years in

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terms of the increase in the level

of disabled people in work, that is

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a good thing to do. He made it clear

that he considered that to be a good

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thing and that is where the whole

government... That is what the

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government wants to achieve.

The

small employment advisory at rugby

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job centre has got 50 new employees

to become disability confident. --

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15. Do you think this is crucial to

make sure that more disabled people

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get access to the workplace, this

activity at the local level?

Very

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good point, it is important that the

engagement happens up and down the

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country and we are pleased to be

making progress, over 5000

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disability confident employees and

we had to increase that number and

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my department will be doing

everything it can to achieve that.

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Thank you. In the recently published

improving lives paper, the

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government said they want to work in

partnership with employers to help

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them draw on the talents of disabled

people, but following the

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Chancellor's comments recently,

scapegoating disabled people, as

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being the reason for low productive

to, does the Secretary of State not

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agree with me with the... That there

is a need for a clear message, from

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the government, that in point

disabled people can enhance

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productivity and make a real

contribution to organisations and

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businesses across the UK very macro

-- that employing disabled people.

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There is a clear message from this

government, we have seen significant

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increases in the number of disabled

people in work, that is good for

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disabled people and also good for

the economy as a whole and that

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continues to be our message and that

is why we have published our

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improving lives document and we will

continue to work to improve the

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opportunities for disabled people in

the labour market.

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Improving lives and helping families

hopes to improve outcomes for

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disadvantaged children and is making

good progress, from next spring at

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the Kelvin and will run a trial of

individual placement and support --

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public-health England will run a

trial. This will be boosted by the

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£30 billion budget announcement by

the Chancellor.

Coastal communities

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like my own entry thoughts, face

particular difficulties -- like my

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own in Cleethorpes. There is much

more low paid work up -- but not

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much to encouraging people to stay

there, what encouragement can she

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provide very -- provide?

I'm pleased

that the claimant count in your area

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is a wee down by 49% and in North

East Lincolnshire, last March, we

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saw 248 families achieve significant

progress to our troubled families

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programme and the Secretary of State

is very impressed when he visited my

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friend and saw the free programme

which is helping travel junctures

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and the council was awarded a

coastal communities fund grant -- is

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helping troubled families. Enhancing

Cleethorpes role as a high-quality

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place to live, work and visit.

But

does she think that the fact she is

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failing and not supporting people

who are workless and who are still

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in poverty is one of the reasons why

Alan Milburn resigned as the chair

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the social mobility commission?

I

think we are doing more to get

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people into work than any other

government before, and we know

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that... In order to make a

meaningful difference to people, and

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those of the most disadvantaged

children and families it requires a

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approach much more beyond welfare

support, it is about supporting

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people into jobs, when people are

employed there chances are much more

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likely to improve, and there are

also other key drivers of poverty

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like education and things to support

children.

Question four.

Thank you.

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We are committed to improving the

lives of disabled people both in the

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UK and through our international

development work and we are

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constructively considering the UN's

recommendations going forward, we

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intend to provide an update to the

UN as requested next summer.

The UN

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report specifically called for the

government to repeal the personal

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independence payment Amendment

regulation 2017 and to make sure

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that eligibility criteria and

assessments to access Universal

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Credit is in line with the human

rights model of disability, will she

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commit today to that?

We are

absolutely committed to disabled

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people and we are world leaders in

disability rights and we were very

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disappointed that the UN did not

consider all the information that we

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provided and we strongly read but

much of what they have to say. I'm

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sure the lady will agree and agree

with me in welcoming the excellent

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work which has been done on

reviewing this and published today

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by Palgrave which sets out a series

of reforms by this government, which

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is determined to make sure that we

have the benefit system that really

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supports disabled people -- Paul

Gray.

Not only did this report

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similarly fail to recognise that we

now spend a record £50 billion on

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supporting people with disabilities

with long-term health conditions but

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also fail to recognise the work with

charities and cycle group that helps

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to shape the policies, will the

minister confirm her commitment to

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this proactive engagement?

I will

absolutely make that confirmation,

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to work with disabled people,

organisations that work with sable

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people and really to pay tribute to

the excellent work he did -- that

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work with disabled people for the

I'm sure we will continue to build

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on the work he did and make sure

that more disabled people have the

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opportunity to fulfil their

potential in our society.

Frank

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Field.

With the minister consider a

root and branch reform of Pip?

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Someone visiting Birkenhead was

doubly incontinent because of

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cancer, she had a neural rating from

Pip -- zero rating for the when she

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did not turn up for a few days, she

was washing those babies nappies

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that we had because she wanted to

get about and she was too ashamed to

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ask us for more, is on there's

something wrong with the assessments

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when these cases occur -- isn't

there something wrong.

I thank you

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for raising this very sad case, and

clearly in that individual case

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something went wrong, and I'm

looking very forward to answering

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questions and spending time with his

select committee later this week,

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and I really would point to him the

response to Palgrave's evaluation

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which I published today and I'm sure

we will have more time to look at

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this, but we remain utterly

committed to make sure that we

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continue to improve Pip.

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Last week I met Francis and my

surgery who has cerebral palsy. She

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has made application to get e-mail

and wheels for her wheelchair which

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has been denied. Does the Minister

agree that having the right

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equipment to help people to get to

work is important and helps their

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self-esteem and contribution to the

economy?

My honourable friend raises

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an important point. It is a benefit

which is available for people in

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work and out of work. It is there to

help anyone with additional costs

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and of course mobility is really

important. There is also the

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excellent access to work scheme

which each year is funding more

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people, enabling them to play their

full part in society, including

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work.

It is clear that work is the best

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route out of poverty, and as the

rate of poverty in working

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households is one third am an bat of

workless households, latest data

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shows there were 1.9 million working

households in relatively low income.

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One of the real impact of increasing

the levels of in-work poverty will

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be in the changes that Universal

Credit will bring in the roll-out

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that is taking place. In a written

parliamentary answer I received, I

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have been told in my constituency,

the figure is incorrect. How can the

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public have any trust in what the

Government is doing with Universal

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Credit, if they simply don't know

the dates of roll-outs within

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constituencies? Fight macro we will

certainly look into that information

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that he has highlighted.

It is

really important to point out that

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we know work is the best route out

of poverty and this is helping

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people to stay in work longer and

there are incentives to take on more

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hours, because unlike the old

system, every extra hour that people

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work base more money in depth

pocket.

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Does the Minister agree with me that

one of the ways we can help people

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up on Lope is by increasing the

National Living Wage, by increasing

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the personal tax allowance people

keep more of the money they earn,

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and with helping with childcare

costs? Isn't this precisely what the

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Government is doing?

Mr Speaker, I

could not put it better than myself.

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We are making sure that work pays

through the National Living Wage and

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lower taxes and the lowest earners

have seen their wages growth at

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almost 7% above inflation over the

past two years.

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Mr Speaker, could I, on behalf of my

party, at my condolences to those

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already expressed in this chamber.

Our sure our hearts go out to the

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Deputy Speaker's family. One of the

biggest problems facing families is

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fuel poverty. O'Hara in my

constituency is every year the

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coldest part of the UK so it is a

colossal problem for my

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constituents. Could I ask the

Minister if you have meetings with

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the Scottish Government to take

forward ways that this terrible

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problem could be tackled in the

remotest and coldest parts of the

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UK.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I would

also like to associate myself with

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his comments regarding the Deputy

Speaker. He makes a good point about

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fuel poverty. That's why the

Government has been doing so much to

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make sure people are aware that by

switching, they can cut down on

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those household energy bills, and by

making it easier for people to

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switch. We also know that the

Scottish Government has devolved

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powers to support people more with

their benefits, if that is what they

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decide to do, and they are free to

develop their own approaches.

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Isn't it time to have a grown-up

conversation about the measure of

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poverty? Under the relative measure

thousands will be lifted out of

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poverty by recession, by a reduction

in job losses and a reduction in the

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level of household income. Surely

that is not the best measure and it

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is vital that we look to work as the

best route out of poverty?

Mr

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Speaker, he is right to raise this.

If we look at progress since 2010,

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across all four measures of poverty,

without cherry picking other

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statistics, people are more likely

to be in poverty today -- no more

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likely to be in poverty today than

in 2010. The incomes of the poorest

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have increased in real terms by

£300.

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Food inflation is up 4.2%, the

highest two years, the big six

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energy companies have and announced

increases of between eight and 15%

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year, against a backdrop of freezes

on benefits. Isn't it surprising

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that people have to go to food

banks?

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Mr Speaker, the Government is

committed to building an economy

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that does work for everybody, that

is why we have committed to raising

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the National Living Wage, 33%

increase. This will be equivalent to

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a 9% increase in the National Living

Wage since the introduction in it

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represents an increase to a

full-time increase of £600.

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On behalf of members on these

benches, we would like to express

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our condolences to the Deputy

Speaker. Our thoughts are with him

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and his family. Disabled people are

twice as likely to live in poverty

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than non-disabled people, because of

the extra costs the face. The

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Equality and Human Rights Commission

estimated the costs at £2500 a year

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for a disabled adult. When the

Government discovered they had

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underpaid approximately 75,000

people who transferred onto ESA

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support, they announced they would

only be repaying claimants from

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October 20 14. How many people will

receive a payment? Given that

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suicide attempts amongst ESA

claimants doubled, what impact has

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been studied on people's health as a

result of this study?

Mr Speaker,

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I'm sure I can write to the

honourable lady with the details on

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but as well as being very mindful on

the impact of people's health and

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well-being, we must also apply the

law. We have to value disabled

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people in our workplace, which is

why the Government is making sure

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that as many more disabled people

are able to access work and getting

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to work as well.

Recent data shows 8 million working

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families are living in poverty. In

spite of government rhetoric, work

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is not the route out of poverty.

Four out of five people who are in

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low-paid work now, are likely to be

in low-paid work in ten years' time.

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In his interview on yesterday's

Andrew Marr Show, the Secretary of

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State failed to mention that under

Universal Credit sanctions have

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escalated and are being applied to

people who are actually in work. The

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public accounts select committee

National Audit Office have both

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raised concerns about the impact of

sanctions on punishing people in

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low-paid work by sanctioning them?

Sanctions are only applied as a very

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last resort and their mitigation is

in place to support people when they

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do it. But she is wrong to say that

people in work are more likely to be

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in poverty. A key driver of in-work

poverty is actually the part-time

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work that people were trapped in

when her party was in government.

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When people were trapped working

less than 16 hours a week, they were

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literally paying them to stay poor

and our reforms are about supporting

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people to progress in work and keep

more of the money they earn.

Karen

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Lee.

Question under six, Mr Speaker.

Mr Speaker, with your permission I

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will answer questions six and 15

together. There is no reason for

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people to go without while they wait

for the first Universal Credit

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payment. New benefit claimants will

be able to access and advance. This

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is normally paid within five working

days but can be delivered in a day

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if needed. Changes announced in the

budget will allow claimants to

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receive larger advances and for

advances to be recovered over a

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longer period.

Given the waiting

period for Universal Credit, the

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choices that people face, they can

either have no money to buy food so

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they either use a food bank or staff

or they can get a loan, as you say.

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Would the Minister agree with me

that pushing people into debt, is

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totally unacceptable?

Identified

septet categorisation at all. The

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complaint that is made about

Universal Credit has been made about

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Universal Credit, is that there is a

complaint about the cash flow, that

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people have to wait a period of time

before they get their first payment.

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To address the cash flow point

within the Universal Credit system,

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is a system of advance so that

people can get that money earlier.

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It gives them flexibility to receive

the money earlier. It is in advance,

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they get it paid earlier, they don't

get it paid twice, it is a perfectly

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sensible way of addressing a cash

flow issue.

The Peabody trust

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estimates that 60,000 households

will have made a new Universal

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Credit claim in the six weeks before

Christmas, and will not receive

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their first payment before the

holiday period. This need is being

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felt in my constituency, where last

week Norwood food bank provided food

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for an extraordinary 128 people in a

single session. What is the

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Secretary of State's advice to

families who are trying to provide a

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happy

0:22:550:23:05

Christmas for their children,

without the means to afford even

0:23:080:23:10

basic necessities?

We should be clear that if people

0:23:100:23:12

need cash before Christmas, they are

able to get it under the Universal

0:23:120:23:15

Credit system. It is designed so

they can do that and for people to

0:23:150:23:18

try to discourage people from taking

an advance, because, I'm afraid that

0:23:180:23:22

is the tone that we too often hear

from the party opposite, I'm afraid

0:23:220:23:27

it is causing unnecessary anxiety

for claimants.

0:23:270:23:34

Margaret Greenwood.

The chief

Executive of the Financial Conduct

0:23:340:23:38

Authority has risen it warned about

high levels of debt and money young

0:23:380:23:41

people incurred just by covering

basic household bills like rent.

0:23:410:23:46

Young people aged 18 to 21 are not

entitled to housing support under

0:23:460:23:51

Universal Credit. Why did the

Government ignore a recommendation

0:23:510:23:55

from the Social Security advisory

committee to exempt young people on

0:23:550:23:58

the edge of care?

As the honourable

member will be aware, there are a

0:23:580:24:06

whole host of exemptions which do

allow 18 to 21-year-olds to access

0:24:060:24:08

housing benefit, if those exemptions

apply. But I do have to come back to

0:24:080:24:15

this point, that the party opposite

don't seem to accept, that is the

0:24:150:24:20

best way that we can sustain the

lift people out of poverty is by

0:24:200:24:26

having a welfare system that

encourages them to work and

0:24:260:24:32

encourages them to progress in work.

That is what Universal Credit does,

0:24:320:24:35

that is what the legacy system

failed to do, that is why we are

0:24:350:24:40

making these changes.

Question number seven.

0:24:400:24:44

And employment among 16 to

24-year-olds is 5000 and 23,000,

0:24:440:24:51

down 16,000 on the year and down

416,000 since 2010.

I welcome those

0:24:510:24:59

figures. In my constituency of Weald

and we have just 70 young unemployed

0:24:590:25:07

people. Does the Minister agree with

me that making apprenticeships are

0:25:070:25:11

far more available helps young

people into jobs, not only in

0:25:110:25:14

Wealden but across the country?

Mr

Speaker, she has been a great

0:25:140:25:22

campaigner and champion for

apprenticeships and it is the case

0:25:220:25:25

that 620 starts in Wealden one of

the key policies which have

0:25:250:25:31

contributed to our successful labour

market. ...

0:25:310:25:37

What is the trend in unemployment

for young people with learning

0:25:370:25:40

difficulties?

We absolutely accept that young

0:25:400:25:46

people with learning difficulties

need additional assistance and

0:25:460:25:49

understanding of conditions. That is

why we have focused on that within

0:25:490:25:53

job centres and making sure they get

the support they deserve.

0:25:530:25:57

Question number eight.

I thank my

right honourable friend for his

0:25:570:26:04

question. The DWP does not set a

target for processing pip claims

0:26:040:26:09

that the department takes all

reasonable steps to obtain evidence

0:26:090:26:14

of individuals needs, including

independent assessment. We make

0:26:140:26:17

decisions as quickly as possible

based on the available information,

0:26:170:26:22

in order to reach the right outcome,

but I'm sure he will be pleased to

0:26:220:26:26

know that the current median time

from start to end is currently 13

0:26:260:26:33

weeks.

Notwithstanding further

appeal from the Department, will she

0:26:330:26:39

restore benefits after a successful

first tier decision by the

0:26:390:26:45

applicant?

My honourable friend

raises an important question. The

0:26:450:26:49

Department takes the view that

because we are appealing the

0:26:490:26:52

decision and it is based on an error

of law, that that really would not

0:26:520:26:56

be appropriate. I just want to

reassure my honourable friend and

0:26:560:27:02

all honourable members, that there

are always exceptions and this would

0:27:020:27:04

arise where racist bench and would

cause financial hardship. For most

0:27:040:27:10

benefits, this is considered before

suspension is imposed, but in all

0:27:100:27:14

cases, the suspension letter sent to

claimants invites them to contact

0:27:140:27:18

the department immediately, if they

are in financial hardship, so we can

0:27:180:27:21

help them.

0:27:210:27:28

65% of PIP tribunal is finding

favour of the claimant meaning

0:27:280:27:30

hundreds of disabled people are

being denied the support they are

0:27:300:27:34

entitled to, this puts an

intolerable strain on the whole

0:27:340:27:37

family including my constituents

Chris and Catherine, who having

0:27:370:27:42

coped with Catherine's bowel cancer

surgeries, brain haemorrhage and

0:27:420:27:46

cardiac arrest in now face a further

ordeal appealing against an unjust

0:27:460:27:51

assessment, will the minister agree

that this family and Nottingham

0:27:510:27:56

advice services to hear about how

the system is failing disabled

0:27:560:28:02

people? -- meet with me and his

family.

I would be very happy to

0:28:020:28:10

meet with you and this family to

hear about their concerns but we

0:28:100:28:13

should get the situation in context.

8% of decisions are appealed, and 4%

0:28:130:28:20

of those are upheld, but behind

every statistic is a person and I'm

0:28:200:28:25

very aware of that but it is

actually a small percentage of the

0:28:250:28:30

millions of people that do receive

their benefits and we are

0:28:300:28:35

continuously focused on making the

right decision right from the outset

0:28:350:28:38

and that is why we have commissioned

independent reviews and we welcomed

0:28:380:28:42

the findings of the latest one from

Paul Gray which has been published

0:28:420:28:48

today and we have accepted all of

these recommendations.

Thank you.

0:28:480:28:56

Does the minister agree with me that

Palgrave's recommendations in the

0:28:560:29:00

second independent review of

personal independence payment, that

0:29:000:29:03

the routine provision of the

assessment report to the claimant

0:29:030:29:08

would improve identification of

error and improve the assessment

0:29:080:29:16

stage and Wiltshire except that

particular recommendation? -- will

0:29:160:29:21

she accept.

As I have said

previously, I'm delighted with the

0:29:210:29:26

review, and to have received its

findings, and we have accepted all

0:29:260:29:30

the findings in the review. At the

moment those reports are available

0:29:300:29:34

for everyone. But we don't think it

is a good use of taxpayers money to

0:29:340:29:41

provide them to people who are happy

with the result, who will not be

0:29:410:29:45

going on to make any further appeal

and they are actually getting on and

0:29:450:29:49

getting their benefit.

0:29:490:29:54

Mr speaker, the department doesn't

make a forecast of the numbers of

0:29:590:30:02

sanctions that will be applied and

we don't want sanctions to occur but

0:30:020:30:05

they do play an important part in

reasonable condition amity. --

0:30:050:30:10

conditionality.

0:30:100:30:12

I have to say, that sort of

Panglossian response shows an

0:30:150:30:22

absence of empathy of understanding,

and my constituents say Universal

0:30:220:30:26

Credit as a rock rolling down a hill

next April, but this is Christmas

0:30:260:30:30

and we are in the spirit of giving

and generosity, with the minister

0:30:300:30:33

join with me to ask for additional

secretary and support during those

0:30:330:30:40

dark days when this awful Universal

Credit is rolled out and over our

0:30:400:30:46

constituents?

The gentleman is going

to get round to the West End and

0:30:460:30:54

perform on the stage and he will

fool so fulfilled, I think he has

0:30:540:30:58

all the done so -- he will feel.

When I say that sanctions are

0:30:580:31:06

considered to be a part of

reasonable conditionality, this was

0:31:060:31:10

the approach taken up fully by the

previous Labour government, and in

0:31:100:31:15

regards to Universal Credit over

Christmas we have in place robust

0:31:150:31:19

processes to make sure that claims

get paid and we can bring claims

0:31:190:31:22

forward to make sure that things go

smoothly as we always see two at

0:31:220:31:25

Christmas.

I matter of some dispute

between the gender table and I think

0:31:250:31:31

the gentleman is a representative of

a petro currency, but the matter

0:31:310:31:37

remains as yet undetermined. Mr

Graham Morris.

Thank you. Could I

0:31:370:31:48

refer the minister to the question

on Thursday, and can be minister

0:31:480:31:51

provide assurance that when the

department makes mistakes the

0:31:510:31:54

administration of Universal Credit,

claimants will be fully compensated

0:31:540:32:00

so they will be no worse off?

I

welcome the question. I have written

0:32:000:32:09

to him today on this specific case

but I don't know if that response

0:32:090:32:12

has yet come to hand following his

question on Thursday but I will be

0:32:120:32:16

happy to meet with him and discuss

this in detail. There was an issue

0:32:160:32:20

at the time the claim was made about

some of the information and there

0:32:200:32:23

has been some backdating but we will

talk about it later on.

The number

0:32:230:32:30

of people in employment has

increased by more than 3 million

0:32:300:32:33

since 2010 to reach 32 million in

the last quarter, the implement rate

0:32:330:32:37

is close to the record high and has

increased by almost five percentage

0:32:370:32:41

points since widget and --

employment rate.

0:32:410:32:45

Unemployment has continued to fall,

so would my friend agree that this

0:32:500:32:54

suggests the government's policies

and the work of our great job

0:32:540:32:56

centres are making all the

difference in matching job-seekers

0:32:560:33:00

with jobs available and would he

thank Ian 's boarding the manager of

0:33:000:33:05

the Newark job centre and his great

start -- staff who have made sure

0:33:050:33:16

that unemployment in Newark is only

1% -- Ian Spalding.

I will say

0:33:160:33:22

thanks to him and the Jobcentre

staff up and down the country to do

0:33:220:33:25

a job in helping to reduce

unemployment and in Newark the

0:33:250:33:29

claimant out -- has fallen by 42%.

And in the meetings I have had with

0:33:290:33:39

job centre staff they are

enthusiastic in promoting Universal

0:33:390:33:44

Credit because they concede this

will help them make further

0:33:440:33:46

progress.

Is the minister not aware

that there are hundreds of thousands

0:33:460:33:51

of people in this country yearning

for a good job and a well-paid job,

0:33:510:33:55

many of them young people who can't

get an apprenticeship, 62% down

0:33:550:34:00

apprenticeship starts this year, FV

colleges in trouble, when will he do

0:34:000:34:06

something in terms of training young

people and giving them a chance --

0:34:060:34:09

further education colleges.

He will

be aware that the recent

0:34:090:34:14

apprenticeship numbers were affected

by Spike at the end of the last

0:34:140:34:19

previous period but the reality is

we have increased the number of

0:34:190:34:27

apprenticeships in recent years and

we have introduced the

0:34:270:34:32

apprenticeship levy which puts them

on a sustainable financial footing

0:34:320:34:36

and it is this government with our

industrial strategy that is making

0:34:360:34:39

sure that we are creating the highly

skilled jobs that we need in this

0:34:390:34:43

country.

0:34:430:34:47

The craving process the personal

independence payment was co-produced

0:34:490:34:52

with disabled people -- claiming.

And also carers and organisations

0:34:520:34:58

helping them including mental health

territories, and we will continue to

0:34:580:35:01

explore opportunities to monitor and

improve the process making use of

0:35:010:35:06

customer testing and engagement with

disability groups.

A charity survey

0:35:060:35:13

PIP claimants and they found that

two out of five felt delays led to a

0:35:130:35:18

deterioration in their mental self

and one in five had to take higher

0:35:180:35:21

doses in medication to cope with the

increased stress, does the minister

0:35:210:35:26

think that is acceptable?

I would

like to pay tribute to the campaign

0:35:260:35:37

and I have read their findings with

interest and also to our key

0:35:370:35:41

stakeholders Mind, who helped us get

this right, and I do want to see

0:35:410:35:47

people stressed by the process and

that is why we are implementing a

0:35:470:35:51

wide range of reforms which we have

worked on with our stakeholders

0:35:510:35:54

where ever possible, where ever the

information enables us to, we will

0:35:540:36:00

make a paper-based decision and

people also have the opportunity to

0:36:000:36:05

be assessed at home, as well.

... In

North Durham they have told me that

0:36:050:36:14

the assessment is too black and

white and is not able to truly paint

0:36:140:36:23

a picture of someone's daily life,

this is leading to truly dramatic

0:36:230:36:27

and horrific experiences, regarding

claims that people really need them

0:36:270:36:32

up with be minister have a look into

this? -- would be minister have a

0:36:320:36:37

look into this?

We keep it under

constant review and we have this

0:36:370:36:44

independently reviewed to back sure

that if they are any problems we

0:36:440:36:46

will work to overcome them. -- to

make sure. But compared to the

0:36:460:36:51

previous benefit many more PIP

recipients with mental health

0:36:510:36:55

problems are getting the enhanced

rates far more than they did under

0:36:550:36:57

DLA.

0:36:570:36:59

We are committed to making sure that

claimants receive high-quality

0:37:050:37:08

accurate assessments and we monitor

assessment quality through

0:37:080:37:12

independent audit, decision-makers

can return reports rework and

0:37:120:37:19

additional rewrites, and a range of

measures including improvement

0:37:190:37:22

plans, when we experience them below

what we want. We continually look to

0:37:220:37:28

improve the assessment process.

40

people in Wakefield have written

0:37:280:37:32

with their concerns that there PIP

assessment, they were not seen by an

0:37:320:37:39

appropriate person, including one

person with mental health problems

0:37:390:37:44

who was assessed by a paramedic. The

work and pensions committee heard

0:37:440:37:49

that only four doctors were employed

and statistics released by this

0:37:490:37:54

department showed those contractors

have failed to meet their targets

0:37:540:37:59

for the number of unacceptable

assessments, so how can sick and

0:37:590:38:03

disabled people in Wakefield have

any confidence in the assessment

0:38:030:38:06

process?

I'm looking forward to

discussing this matter in more depth

0:38:060:38:11

with the select committee when I

come before you on Wednesday, but I

0:38:110:38:15

can assure you that all of the

assessors receive the appropriate

0:38:150:38:22

training for what they are there to

do, these are functional assessments

0:38:220:38:26

where they are properly trained to

make those assessments, doctors and

0:38:260:38:29

nurses and paramedics, as your

therapist is. -- physiotherapists.

0:38:290:38:36

We constantly keep this under

review, including the spirits of the

0:38:360:38:39

claimant 's themselves.

Alan Brown.

0:38:390:38:43

Thank you. I received a variety of

representations, orally and in

0:38:450:38:52

writing and in debates.

0:38:520:38:56

... Will take the threshold over £60

billion by the year 2025, should a

0:39:010:39:10

caring minister and Secretary of

State not argue... Ending

0:39:100:39:17

austerities.

I would revert the

gentleman to two particular points,

0:39:170:39:23

we have made differing views on tax

action in this country, and we

0:39:230:39:32

believe cuts to corporation tax will

contribute to the jobs we all want,

0:39:320:39:42

and the Scottish Government have

powers for working age people to

0:39:420:39:45

take action on the specific points

that he keeps raising, that his

0:39:450:39:48

government fails to do anything

about.

Stephen Lloyd.

As the

0:39:480:39:58

minister will be aware, in last

week's debate it was clear that

0:39:580:40:01

there are a number of colleagues

behind him who supported much of

0:40:010:40:04

colleagues on this side of the house

for the government's lock on

0:40:040:40:08

transitional arrangements for... So

why not call a binding vote so the

0:40:080:40:20

House can actually advise the

minister to do the right thing for

0:40:200:40:23

INAUDIBLE

Women? In days gone by the Lib Dems

0:40:230:40:30

were a party of fiscal discipline,

and in 2011 about he and I accepted

0:40:300:40:35

the need to take the decisions that

were made and he also joined us in

0:40:350:40:39

the lobby to vote on it but it is a

shame that he has forgotten those

0:40:390:40:43

views now.

Kevin Foster.

We carry

out a range of implementation

0:40:430:40:51

activities in advance of activation

to make sure that sites are well

0:40:510:40:55

prepared and we have rolled out to

235 job centres to date.

Kevin

0:40:550:40:58

Foster.

Roll out the full-service

Universal Credit in Torbay is due to

0:40:580:41:06

happen in 2018, it is vital

claimants understand the system and

0:41:060:41:10

their options, could he confirm what

the department is doing the Torbay's

0:41:100:41:17

local work advice so that claimants

can get such support if needed?

Yes,

0:41:170:41:22

we are making sure that stakeholders

including the key advice services

0:41:220:41:26

have a proper overview of Universal

Credit and we work closely with the

0:41:260:41:29

citizens advice bureau and others,

engaging with local authorities and

0:41:290:41:36

others to make sure there is a

joined up approach to supporting

0:41:360:41:38

payments.

I will interpret the

answer as being wide and therefore

0:41:380:41:44

admitted of other constituencies but

it isn't clear beyond that. Stephen

0:41:440:41:49

Timms.

There will be problems in

Torbay and elsewhere if the

0:41:490:41:57

Universal Credit calculation is

wrong, and the minister told me in a

0:41:570:42:00

written answer that there is no

specific initiative called Lake

0:42:000:42:05

missing an incorrect, but it turns

out that there is, runs by his

0:42:050:42:10

department and HMRC -- called late.

Will he confirm that if information

0:42:100:42:17

is late, missing or incorrect, then

the Universal Credit cancellation

0:42:170:42:20

will be wrong?

0:42:200:42:27

We all admire the right honourable

gentleman's deafness in getting from

0:42:270:42:30

Torbay to that point, -- deftness.

We want to make sure that every

0:42:300:42:38

aspect of Universal Credit is

working entirely as it should and he

0:42:380:42:42

has my commitment.

He will also

experience a long journey and we

0:42:420:42:47

empathise with the honourable

gentleman on his long journey from

0:42:470:42:52

East Ham to Torbay.

Since 2015 the level of social

0:42:520:42:59

security spending on families in

work has reduced. This has been over

0:42:590:43:07

a period when we have introduced the

National Living Wage, Clement has

0:43:070:43:11

reached record levels, free

childcare has doubled, the personal

0:43:110:43:15

allowance has increased and income

inequality has continued to fall.

0:43:150:43:20

With 8 million people living in

poverty in working households, and

0:43:200:43:28

28% of my constituency of Crewe and

Nantwich earning below the voluntary

0:43:280:43:33

Living Wage, what action is the

minister taking to address the

0:43:330:43:36

Labour market inequalities with low

paid, low skilled and insecure work?

0:43:360:43:46

Let me give you two examples, one of

the industrial strategy, secondly,

0:43:460:43:51

if we want to address in-work

poverty, one way we can do that is

0:43:510:43:55

to assure that people are able to

work extra hours and we need to

0:43:550:43:59

benefit system, we need a benefit

system that does not trap them on

0:43:590:44:05

working 16 hours a week. If they

work extra hours, they can increase

0:44:050:44:11

their income.

Looking back over these trends, has

0:44:110:44:14

he drawn the conclusion that every

Labour government leaves office with

0:44:140:44:18

higher unemployment than when they

took office, and what impact does he

0:44:180:44:22

believe that house on working

families?

I think he makes an

0:44:220:44:27

extremely good point, and I thought

we heard a very revealing comment a

0:44:270:44:32

little earlier today, when from the

Labour front bench, they said work

0:44:320:44:37

is not the route out of poverty. If

work is not the route out of

0:44:370:44:42

poverty, exactly what is?

Order.

Number one.

0:44:420:44:55

Mr Speaker, since automatic

enrolment was introduced in 2012,

0:44:550:44:58

nine million people have been

enrolled in a workplace pension by

0:44:580:45:03

over 9000 employees. Today, I can

announce the Government's plan to

0:45:030:45:09

extend automatic enrolment to help

more people achieve financial

0:45:090:45:11

security later in life. The

Government's review published today

0:45:110:45:15

sets out the next steps as we

continue to develop a culture of

0:45:150:45:19

routine pension saving. We will help

young people to save by lowering the

0:45:190:45:24

age of automatic enrolment from 22

to 18, and we will enable people to

0:45:240:45:28

start saving from the first pound of

their earnings, to provide a better

0:45:280:45:32

retirement income for lower earners

and those in multiple jobs. I have

0:45:320:45:42

today tabled a written statement

setting out further detail,

0:45:420:45:43

including targeted approaches to set

out the most effective ways of

0:45:430:45:50

increasing pension saving.

Daniel

Zeichner.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. A

0:45:500:45:56

superannuation scheme transferred to

scheme transfers all risk to the

0:45:560:46:05

employee. Many sages overcautious

accounting rules which drive these

0:46:050:46:11

changes, putting pressure on

universities. What is the Minister

0:46:110:46:14

doing to protect our higher

education sector both Mac I thank

0:46:140:46:20

the honourable gentleman for his

question.

A changes that might be

0:46:200:46:24

made to this scheme are a matter for

the joint negotiation committee of

0:46:240:46:29

the scheme, not the Government. The

independent pensions regulator

0:46:290:46:34

remains in ongoing discussions.

Nothing has been brought to DWP's

0:46:340:46:38

attention which we consider to be of

concern and it would be improper for

0:46:380:46:42

the Government to the joint

negotiation committee how to run the

0:46:420:46:46

scheme.

I am welcome my right for a macro's

0:46:460:46:50

recent announcement of all to

enrolment for 18 to 20 ones. Does he

0:46:500:47:01

have any figures about Sami people

have started saving and benefiting

0:47:010:47:04

from auto enrolment in

constituencies including mine?

0:47:040:47:05

Sister to 12, 7000 employees in:

South Park Shia have benefited from

0:47:050:47:12

a workplace pension from automatic

enrolment, and our thanks are due to

0:47:120:47:16

the 820 local employers. State

pensions have risen since 2010 but

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we want to do more and we are

extending it to 18 to 21-year-olds

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in his area.

Secretary of State will be aware of

0:47:250:47:32

the crisis involving members of the

British steel pension scheme by

0:47:320:47:37

advisers cashing in persuading them

to sink their pensions and all

0:47:370:47:43

manner of dodgy schemes. They will

also be aware of the failure of the

0:47:430:47:47

SCA to deal with that effectively?

And today with the details of the

0:47:470:47:53

universities superannuation scheme

is coming to ahead with the threat

0:47:530:47:57

of industrial action. I'm surprised

you simply sitting back and leaving

0:47:570:48:01

those matters to those directly

involved. Surely he can tell us

0:48:010:48:04

today how he will get directly

involved and take to prevent members

0:48:040:48:10

-- protect members of both schemes.

The position is that they worked

0:48:100:48:15

through with the pensions regulator

and pension protection fund is,

0:48:150:48:19

particularly in relation to British

steel, to assure members get

0:48:190:48:22

information on the effect of their

pensions rights. This include

0:48:220:48:29

newsletters, websites, bespoke

options packs. The Financial Conduct

0:48:290:48:34

Authority have also stepped in and

variety of organisations and are

0:48:340:48:39

providing proper advice going

forward.

What steps has my right

0:48:390:48:45

honourable friend's department taken

to help people who are older, who

0:48:450:48:49

perhaps after redundancy or caring

responsibilities are looking to get

0:48:490:48:51

back into work?

My honourable friend

raises a very important point. There

0:48:510:48:57

are more working people in older age

groups now than there have ever been

0:48:570:49:01

before, but much more needs to be

done. That is why we published our

0:49:010:49:06

full working life strategy. Many

employers are waking up to these

0:49:060:49:09

possibilities. We also make sure we

have more older worker champions.

0:49:090:49:15

Reports suggest that the Foreign

Secretary, the Environment Secretary

0:49:150:49:18

and others used this morning's

Cabinet meeting to start a campaign

0:49:180:49:23

to scrap the Working Time Directive

after Brexit, which has protection

0:49:230:49:28

for paid holidays and extra

protection for night workers. Can

0:49:280:49:34

the Secretary of State confirm what

discussions he has had and ensuring

0:49:340:49:37

that his colleagues are not

successful in ripping up our

0:49:370:49:39

workers' rights?

I think it is the

case that my right honourable

0:49:390:49:45

friend, the Secretary of State,

don't believe everything you read in

0:49:450:49:50

the newspapers. This government is

committed to protecting employment

0:49:500:49:54

rights.

Can I thank my right

honourable friend for the

0:49:540:50:01

flexibility he has shown in the

budget in terms of the changes to

0:50:010:50:04

Universal Credit and ask if they

will continue and the flexibility he

0:50:040:50:09

has shown?

I can certainly assure my

honourable friend that we will

0:50:090:50:17

continue to listen to constructive

critics and indeed those wanting to

0:50:170:50:25

make sure that Universal Credit

works, and in doing so, can I thank

0:50:250:50:29

my honourable friend for the

positive and constructive engagement

0:50:290:50:31

that he has shown, and I think what

is very clear is on this side of the

0:50:310:50:36

House, we are united in ensuring

that we deliver Universal Credit

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successfully.

68% of pit decisions

taken to tribunal are being

0:50:400:50:49

overturned by judges, so is it

unsurprising that my constituent Mr

0:50:490:50:54

Parrish and others in his situation

have no faith in the assessment

0:50:540:50:57

process. What assessment has the

secretary of made regarding PIP

0:50:570:51:04

vestments which show a ninefold

increase in complaints to the

0:51:040:51:08

department in just one year?

As I

mentioned before, 8% of decisions

0:51:080:51:15

are taken to appeal, and only half

of those are upheld. Everyone of

0:51:150:51:22

those people, obviously, I

appreciate, is disappointed with

0:51:220:51:25

that result, and we are working

tirelessly to improve the process.

0:51:250:51:31

But overall, most people get a good

decision on time and their benefits.

0:51:310:51:39

On Friday I visited my local job

centre and saw the genuine

0:51:390:51:43

enthusiasm that work coaches have

for the new Universal Credit system.

0:51:430:51:49

Will my honourable friend confirmed

that additional help is available

0:51:490:51:52

for users who are not to tech savvy.

Yes, indeed, he is right about the

0:51:520:52:00

enthusiasm of job centre staff for

Universal Credit, or because it

0:52:000:52:03

enables them to help people get on

into work and yes, there are

0:52:030:52:07

computers available in job centres

and there is assistance available

0:52:070:52:09

when needed.

With the uncertainty of Universal

0:52:090:52:16

Credit payments following the

roll-out in Swansea last week, my

0:52:160:52:20

local paper has coordinated a

collection of food and warm clothes

0:52:200:52:26

to help those in need. Will the

Minister join me in congratulating

0:52:260:52:32

the South Wales evening Post for

doing what the Government is failing

0:52:320:52:35

to do and making sure everyone has a

good Christmas.

What I would say to

0:52:350:52:39

win one, whether it be members of

Parliament, newspapers, advisory

0:52:390:52:44

bodies and food banks, is that we

need to make sure that the facts are

0:52:440:52:49

put out two new claimants will stop

if they need to get access to

0:52:490:52:52

support, they can get it quickly,

they need to get into contact with

0:52:520:52:55

their job centre and they are able

to access an advance. And they can

0:52:550:53:00

get that money before Christmas.

Does the Minister agree with me that

0:53:000:53:05

auto enrolment has been a success to

date and it is right to lower it to

0:53:050:53:10

age 18, but the politicians,

pensions industry and everyone must

0:53:100:53:14

work together to meet the savings

and pensions challenges facing this

0:53:140:53:17

country?

I could not agree with my

honourable friend more and I'm

0:53:170:53:22

delighted that we have 9 million

people signed up to auto enrolment,

0:53:220:53:27

utterly transforming workplace

pension savings and his secular

0:53:270:53:32

constituency, 8000 employees and

6080 employers have signed up and

0:53:320:53:35

great credit to them.

My constituent in Radford West had

0:53:350:53:44

three of her assessment is cancelled

for a period of five weeks. She

0:53:440:53:49

eventually got a home visit after

seven months. What assessment have

0:53:490:53:54

the department made of same-day

cancellations, of workplace

0:53:540:53:57

capability assessments from health

professionals, the number, the

0:53:570:54:02

reasons given and the impact on the

mental health but our guns?

I thank

0:54:020:54:07

the honourable lady for her

question, and I can assure her that

0:54:070:54:10

we have a very robust quality

assurance process, but clearly from

0:54:100:54:14

the case she has highlighted today,

that is unacceptable. If you would

0:54:140:54:18

like to bring that case and discuss

it with me, then I would be very

0:54:180:54:23

happy to do so.

Every year, billions of pounds of

0:54:230:54:30

taxpayers money I lost due to

fraudulent or errors in benefit

0:54:300:54:34

claims. Can the Secretary of State

saved whether the introduction of

0:54:340:54:37

Universal Credit will improve this?

My honourable friend makes a very

0:54:370:54:44

good point, and one of the areas of

good news about Universal Credit, is

0:54:440:54:49

the fact that it will be able to

reduce fraud by over £1 billion.

0:54:490:54:54

That in itself is an important step.

There are many other very positive

0:54:540:54:59

reasons why Universal Credit is a

good thing.

0:54:590:55:03

I recently met with Hope rising

action group who work in my

0:55:030:55:08

constituency to support those

affected by the Government's benefit

0:55:080:55:11

cap and I heard stories of just how

hard people are being hit by pension

0:55:110:55:20

cuts. Can the Minister please tell

me how many people in Bradford will

0:55:200:55:24

be affected by this policy?

We have

to show we have a welfare system

0:55:240:55:30

that is not only fair to those in

receipt of welfare but also those

0:55:300:55:35

who pay for it. The lower cap is

fair to both households and the

0:55:350:55:39

taxpayer. Before the cap the

Department for Work and Pensions

0:55:390:55:43

spent a disproportionate amount

every year on just 300 families.

0:55:430:55:50

For those job-seekers are my

constituency, overwhelmingly it is

0:55:500:55:52

the can-do attitude of professionals

and the dedication of work coaches

0:55:520:55:55

that they value that will help them

find work, and especially at this

0:55:550:56:00

time of year we as a house should

definitely pay tribute to. Can I ask

0:56:000:56:05

my right honourable friend how the

work coaches will help those find

0:56:050:56:10

work?

I can confirm we have been

recruiting work coaches in every

0:56:100:56:14

region of the UK. We are seeking to

do with more with Universal Credit,

0:56:140:56:18

provide more support and ensure that

four in work support, what is needed

0:56:180:56:23

is there.

To constituents came to my surgery

0:56:230:56:30

concerned about a switch of interest

payments would force them out of the

0:56:300:56:36

private sector and on to housing

benefit and cost the taxpayer more

0:56:360:56:40

money. Is this not more evidence of

Tory austerity hitting the poorest

0:56:400:56:46

hardest?

Mr Speaker, the conversion

of SMI from a benefit alone is

0:56:460:56:52

intended to retain support to owner

occupied claimants in a more

0:56:520:56:56

sustainable way, but also increasing

fairness to taxpayers, many of whom

0:56:560:56:59

cannot afford to buy a home of their

own.

What steps is his department

0:56:590:57:08

taken to ensure DWP staff awareness

of military covenant issues, so they

0:57:080:57:12

are best able to support our brave

men and women when they leave the

0:57:120:57:15

Armed Forces?

Mr Speaker, he is

absolutely right. Our veterans make

0:57:150:57:21

an important than to our country and

it is right that we support them.

0:57:210:57:26

DWP staff receive continual

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