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Ann Patchett is a novelist who spends her stories | :00:00. | :00:15. | |
They race along with the complexities and their rich | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
subtleties subsume into a narrative that never seems to flag. | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
Commonwealth is a story of American life told over nearly five decades | :00:24. | :00:39. | |
a christening sets in train a series of chance events that | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
Why do you think it is that so many readers want to come back | :00:42. | :00:54. | |
It is the one thing that we all have. | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
We were all a baby, we will all die, we all had parents, | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
and it is irresistible, it is what we know. | :01:03. | :01:10. | |
And this begins, as I was saying, at a christening, | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
It is quite a thing to gate-crash a christening. | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
And then chance events unfold over quite a long period which determine | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
the fate really of a couple of families and all sorts of people. | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
You are fascinated by the business of chance, aren't you? | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
Of course it is something that I am always going to come back to. | :01:29. | :01:39. | |
It is hard to write a really compelling novel | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
when everything is nailed down, when there are no loose bits. | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
To look at it from the other angle, readers are willing to forgive quite | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
a lot of chance and coincidence, aren't they, in the interests | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
I think they are but also it has to be plausible chance | :01:55. | :02:03. | |
and coincidence or it has to be reckless. | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
I remember a Paul Auster novel called Moon Palace | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
years and years ago where everything was crazy | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
coincidence but it was so crazy and so consistent that the novel | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
People always talk about Thomas Hardy who was the master | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
of coincidence and who drove his plot by some of the most | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
Who else do you read for pleasure among the great novelists? | :02:22. | :02:48. | |
I was the big Henry James person and somebody who would reread James | :02:49. | :02:58. | |
over and over again, loved Dickens, loved Austen, | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
but I own a book shop and I have for going on six years and those | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
Now I just read not only things that are just out, | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
the things I read are the things that will be | :03:12. | :03:13. | |
Henry James, once you get stuck into Henry James he is impossible | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
No, I will never abandon Henry James. | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
I will always those go back every few years | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
It is not that I want to read more James. | :03:29. | :03:36. | |
I want to just keep rereading the ones that I love. | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
It is interesting to look at that in respect of your own narrative | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
because as I said narrative has the feeling of it has a pulse that | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
You are a great one for concealing the inevitable artifice of writing. | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
Whereas James was a great one for putting the inevitable | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
I wasn't influenced by him, I just love him. | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
I suspect just reading your prose that you're one of these people | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
once you start a story, although you work at it very hard, | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
and I have no doubt you are very meticulous, it seems | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
The reason is that I make it all up in my head for a year or two in | :04:08. | :04:16. | |
advance and really work out all of the pieces. | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
In your head rather than on a piece of paper? | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
Then I sit down and I actually start to write and its miserable and it's | :04:22. | :04:32. | |
hard but I get it all fixed as I go along, so I write a chapter and then | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
The book takes place just over 50 years. | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
A lot of people, there are 11 main characters in this book. | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
So I had to know what all of the moving parts | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
When I read a novel or when I write a novel. | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
It is juggling and if you throw those balls up in the air | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
When you talk about in the past having read a lot of Dickens, | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
and of course in those great books of his, that is what it's all about. | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
This extraordinary balancing of different plotlines, | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
But all somehow being kept in balance in some almost magical way. | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
And that's very important because you have to have a balance | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
and an equality in the tension of the narrative or what happens | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
is the reader is interested in one plot line more than the other. | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
So they'll read the part they don't like very quickly so they can get | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
back to the character they are interested in. | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
You have to make sure that all of the characters | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
are in a way equally compelling so that the reader is | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
You've made an added difficulty for yourself in this book because it | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
Actually a difficult time in your country. | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
It was the transition to a new presidency, | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
you had just had a president assassinated, which most people | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
It was a very sharp time in American history. | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
Was it easy to get yourself back to that period? | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
It was because it is not about that per se. | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
Certainly these people are living in that time and in 1964 it's | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
probably the end of this world that you see at the opening of the novel, | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
the family, strong Catholicism, strong labour relations. | :06:15. | :06:23. | |
Then one character breaking off and kind of spinning out | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
In a way it's a sort of harbinger of what's to come | :06:28. | :06:36. | |
because the process that Americans went through in let's say the 20 | :06:37. | :06:49. | |
years after the opening date of this novel was a tumultuous time in terms | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
of social change, attitudes, all sorts of things | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
were unrecognisable from the America of the 50s by the time it was over. | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
It is interesting to me that you say 20 years. | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
Because I think of it almost like ten years. | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
Basically to the end of the Vietnam War. | :07:03. | :07:04. | |
By the time we had Carter and then Reagan in office | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
What really fascinates me, we could talk about this all day, | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
what fascinates me about this is the way that you have found it | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
possible, and very elegantly, to take us from that period right | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
forward to a much more contemporary age without it ever intruding. | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
Characters have different attitudes to the world because they grow | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
up in different times but the fundamentals | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
Even as we get tired of them, even as we want them to go away, | :07:32. | :07:42. | |
our responsibility, or pull backwards, is always | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
I don't want to ask you an embarrassing question... | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
Why do you think that so many readers have found you irresistible | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
What is it do you think about the way that you cast | :07:57. | :08:07. | |
a story on the potters' wheel that makes it readable? | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
I had no idea that so many readers did find me irresistible. | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
The way I look at it is everybody has their own little chip of colour | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
And their voice and what their interest is personally, | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
so no matter how much I try to get away from it I'm always going to be | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
writing books about class, about family, poverty and wealth. | :08:34. | :08:35. | |
Things that I keep coming back to even if I don't want to. | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
If readers know it is authentic they will listen to it. | :08:39. | :08:46. | |
Ann Patchett, author of Commonwealth, thank you very much. | :08:47. | :09:01. | |
It will not surprise you and I say we have had the hottest day of the | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
year so | :09:07. | :09:07. |