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constituency, but you know, how is he going to do that? Never a dull | :00:00. | 3:59:59 | |
moment. Agnes Poirier Thank you for coming | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
in. Now its time for Meet | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
the Author with Rebecca Jones. The thriller writer David Baldacci | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
has enjoyed the kind of success most His first book, Absolute Power, | :00:11. | :00:12. | |
became a bestseller and it was turned into a film, | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
starring and directed David Baldacci has gone | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
on to write 30 novels, which have sold more | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
than 100 million copies His latest is called The Fix | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
and it's his third book about the detective Amos Decker, | :00:24. | :00:30. | |
who witnesses a seemingly senseless and random murder outside | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
the headquarters of the FBI, David Baldacci, I'd like to start, | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
if I may, by rewinding the clock back to your childhood, | :00:36. | :00:58. | |
when your mother gave you a notebook Had you always wanted | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
to be a writer? I was probably about seven | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
or eight years old. I was telling tall tales | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
all the time, usually to get myself out of trouble with school officials | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
and other parents. And my mom came and | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
brought me a journal. And she said, "Honey, | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
you know, some of the stuff you've been talking about, | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
why don't you try writing it down?" So my pen hit the paper | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
and I was kind of like, this epiphany just went off | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
in my head. I can take my imagination, | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
put it down on paper, and people can And years went by and I went back | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
to my mom and I said, "Thank you for such a gift, Mom, | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
for this, it changed my life. And she said, well, I'm so glad it | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
worked out for you but, quite frankly, I just wanted | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
to shut you up! You know, because moms need | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
a little peace and quiet. I will always love you, | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
but you just never stop talking. So, there you go, it | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
worked out in the end. It worked out in the end, | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
but in the interim, Well, for, like, 15 years, | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
I wrote short stories only, and you can't make a living | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
selling short stories. Maybe you could if you were | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
John Updike or John Irving, but not David Baldacci, | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
so I never even got paid They would give me a bunch of free | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
copies of the magazine and said that So I became a lawyer | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
and I did very well. I practised for ten | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
years from Washington, High school, college, law school, | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
ten years of practising law. I wrote short stories, novellas, | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
screenplays and then finally novels. And Absolute Power just really | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
was the turning point for me. And then you were able | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
to commit to it full-time. Fast-forward now dozens of novels | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
later to your latest novel, The Fix, and this tells the story | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
of a man who shoots a woman outside the FBI headquarters and then | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
turns the gun on himself. So it's a whydunnit, | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
rather than a whodunnit. Well, this is the third instalment | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
of my Amos Decker series. He is. | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
We first saw him in 'Memory Man'. And he has a perfect memory, | :02:50. | :02:58. | |
hyperthymesia, because of a brain And he is the most | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
unlikeliest of heroes. He is not your knight | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
in white shining armour. He is a big, sloppy, obese guy | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
who has no personal skills, ticks everybody off, | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
nobody really gets along with him. And I thought, yeah, | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
that'd be a great series guy! He wants to find out the truth, | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
no matter where it takes him. And so he looks at the scene. | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
He was a witness to this crime. He was walking down the street | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
and the guy pulls out a gun, shoots a woman, then turns | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
the gun on himself. And he keeps going | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
back to that scene. He keeps going back, | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
his mental frames flipping through. Did he really see | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
what he thought he saw? And so constantly, throughout | :03:36. | :03:37. | |
the entire novel, the reader - over his shoulder - | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
going back and looking I wanted to make it really | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
claustrophobic, you know. I wanted people to be hammered | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
with that scene over and over again. Because, look, as a lawyer, | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
I know that eyewitness accounts People can't remember | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
anything they saw. Or even if they do remember | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
it, it's all wrong. So I thought it would be | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
kind of cool to put that As you say, Amos Decker | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
isn't your typical hero. What appeals to you | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
so much about him? So many of my other characters | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
are kind of like, you know, they're fit and well trained and, | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
you know, they're sort As a writer, I think if you don't | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
expand and challenge yourself, So I wanted to write a character | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
totally different from anything I mean, he is not your typical hero. | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
I channel him so easily, though. You know, he's really | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
weird and quirky. And my wife will say, yeah, | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
I can understand why you channel him so easily, | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
cos you're that too! I was very struck by how | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
topical the book is. The murder turns into an issue | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
of national security. You also deal with Isis, | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
cyber hacking, cyber security. How important is that to you, | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
to make the book feel current? Plausibility, I'm | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
bound by plausibility. Fortunately for me, it | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
seems like these days, So I can write about anything | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
and people will say, yeah, I think I read that | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
in a newspaper last week. So for me, it's to take | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
life as we know it now. And I'm very curious | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
about the world. I try to read everything | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
I can possibly read. So take life as it is now | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
and try to extrapolate it out, so I can say, | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
OK, what is it gonna be And so I can sort of push | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
the envelope and see what's I had an intelligence | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
guy one time tell me... I'd written a scene | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
and I thought it was gonna be I said, read this, let me know | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
if I need to pull it back. I said, no, just read it and let me | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
know if it's too much. He said, because if you can imagine | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
it, we've already done it. And it's interesting you say | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
you had a conversation with an intelligence guy, | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
because I know you talk to members of the FBI | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
and the Secret Service, don't you? What kind of things | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
do they tell you? It's funny, they're | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
wonderfully helpful, Sometimes, they'll say, | :05:51. | :05:51. | |
I'm gonna tell you this, And it never does, | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
cos I do play fair. So they've got a lot of stuff that, | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
you know, I would not want to be them because it must be hard | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
to sleep at night sometimes. I was struck by how | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
meticulously plotted the novel was and I wondered, | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
do you start from the outset knowing exactly what's going to happen, | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
or does the story evolve I've never known the ending of any | :06:11. | :06:12. | |
book I've sat down to write. I've always thought that | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
if I knew the ending, I wouldn't be creating a novel, | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
I would be typing to the end, you know, a manuscript, | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
not really writing. I might sit down in front | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
of the computer and think, er, Oh, my God, OK, | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
let me just try this. And if it doesn't work, | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
I can always go back, hit the delete So that spontaneity is an integral | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
part of creativity. So for me to plot along an outline | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
that I've thought about before I've even created a character, | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
I mean, how dull and And I think that boringness | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
would come through in the pages. So for me to discover the page | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
as I'm writing it, for the reader, I think it's gonna be | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
stunning to them. But that must be even more difficult | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
because you sometimes have more than one novel | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
on the go, don't you? I mean, you have a | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
phenomenal workload. You write two, sometimes | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
three novels a year. This is what I do and it's | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
what I love to do. I think if I didn't love | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
to write, I probably I've written a lot of books, | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
and maybe I would just But every day, I get | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
up thinking to myself, it's so fortunate that I can tell | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
another story today. I'm an eight-year-old kid, | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
with a piece of paper and a pen, and I'm just using this in my head | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
and putting it down And I tell an aspiring writer, | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
I say, make sure you're in it If you can live without writing, | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
go do something else, Because that will get | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
you through all the bad times. That will get you through all | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
the rejection and criticism It's like bullet-proof armour you're | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
putting around yourself, that joy of writing, | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
because no matter what they hit Nonetheless, how difficult | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
is it to keep coming up I think the one attribute a writer | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
needs to have is this non-stop curiosity about the world and life, | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
and I certainly am. I go to places, I talk | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
to people all the time. I just absorb knowledge | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
and information like you wouldn't believe, because I think if you know | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
a lot about a lot of different things, you can bring those | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
disparate elements together and, all of a sudden, you're writing some | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
really unique stories. Writing is not a job, | :08:12. | :08:13. | |
it's not a hobby, it's not even a passion for me, | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
it's a lifestyle. This is who I am and it permeates | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
throughout my entire life. I'm sitting here right | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
in the studio, but I'm also thinking about, | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
you know, I'm looking around and seeing stuff | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
and ideas are coming to me. Well, you know, I love to write. | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
I relax by writing. I love to read. | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
I love to go out on the water. I'm a big boater, I like to do | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
all the watersports and stuff. It's just nice, you know, | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
I have a nice family But at the end of the day, | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
it's that book and the pen My wife gave me a journal | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
on Christmas Day. I tell people, never give a writer | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
blank paper on a major holiday, | :08:52. | :08:55. |