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bill. Second reading what date,
Friday 22nd of April, thank you. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:04 | |
Hello and welcome to Monday
in Parliament, our look at the best | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
of the day in the Commons
and the Lords. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
On this programme, Britain
and the EU reach agreement | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
on the transitional
period after Brexit. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:34 | |
Arguments shift to what the future
might hold for the port of Dover. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:41 | |
There is no degree of customs check
whatsoever that can prevent Dover | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
from becoming less of a car park and
in fact most of Kent from becoming a | 0:00:44 | 0:00:50 | |
car park. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
Labour challenges Ministers to do
more to end the laundering | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
of so-called "dirty" Russian money
through Britain. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
What will the Government now do to
ensure that the enforcement agencies | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
are fully resourced to tackle this
gorge on our society? -- this | 0:00:59 | 0:01:06 | |
scored. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
And there are calls for a cystic
fibrosis drug to be made | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
available on the NHS. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
There are lots of hard big stories
from people who are six years old | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
and younger who are sharing their
frustration with the people I'm | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
speaking for today. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
But first, it's been a significant
moment in the long saga of Brexit: | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
the UK and the EU have reached
a deal over the almost | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
two-year transition period,
due to start in March 2019 | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
when the UK formally leaves the EU. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Agreement is still needed
over how Britain's ports | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
and borders will operate once
the transition period ends. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:39 | |
A university study has claimed that
just two extra minutes of checks | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
on vehicles could lead
to 29-mile long tailbacks | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
on roads around Dover. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:53 | |
But on the BBC's Question Time
on Thursday, the Transport Secretary | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Chris Grayling insisted
that there would be no | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
checks at the border. | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
In the Commons, the Labour chair
of the Brexit Committee believed | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
this was a change of policy. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
He quoted Mr Grayling. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:09 | |
We don't check lorries now and we're
not going to be checking lorries | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
in Dover in the future. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
Given that the Government
is committed to leaving the customs | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
union but that all free-trade
agreements involve some | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
checks that borders,
how exactly can this be squared | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
with no checks at all? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
Which border crossings will be
covered by the no checks policy? | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
Will it just be railroad
ports, for example? | 0:02:27 | 0:02:36 | |
On the issue, what the Secretary
of State for Transport had | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
to say last Thursday,
he said in addition | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
to the remarks of the right
honourable gentleman has raised, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
we will not under any circumstances
create a hard border in Dover that | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
requires us to stop every lorry
in the port of Dover. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
This, of course, Mr Speaker,
is absolutely right. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Can the Minister give a single
example of a nation which does not | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
rely on either a customs union
agreement or on customs | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
enforcement at its border? | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
What are the Government's plans
to manage our trade relationships, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
protect our own producers,
or uphold environmental protections | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
without either a customs agreement
or border enforcement? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
I am fully familiar with
the importance of a frictionless | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
border and of course,
the other important news that we've | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
had today, Mr Speaker,
is that we have concluded, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
subject to the European Council
meeting shortly, an implementation | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
period for these particular
arrangements, which will of course, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
give us additional, valuable time
to provide certainty to businesses | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
but also to make sure we have
all the arrangements in place | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
for a successful customs
arrangement going forward. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
The port of Dover reckons that
99% of the traffic goes | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
to and from the European Union
and it takes these massive, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
great lorries on average two
minutes to get through. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
The other 1% goes to the rest
of the world and it takes an average | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
20 minutes to get through. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
There is no degree of customs check
whatsoever that can prevent Dover | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
from becoming less than a car park
and in fact, most of Kant | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
from becoming a car park. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
I urge the Minister to reject
the representations in the analogue | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
parties opposite that seem
to have a dystopian vision | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
for analogue borders where every
single load is stopped. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
And as the constituency
representative for the port | 0:04:14 | 0:04:22 | |
of Dover, can I urge him to embrace
digital borders | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
so that we have frictionless trade,
risk-based stopping of trade | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
and inspections where necessary,
and postponement of checks | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
to workplaces and audits? | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
And in this way, this dystopian
desire of the party opposite | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
for Dover and Kent to be turned
into a car can be avoided, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
but only with investment. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
And can I urge him to make
the appropriate investment | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
in systems to make that vision
a reality as soon as possible? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:48 | |
Will my right honourable
friend take as inspiration | 0:04:48 | 0:04:58 | |
the workings of DP World,
the deepwater port of the south | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
of Essex where thousands of lorries'
worth of containers flow | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
into the country from outside
the customs union swiftly, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
slickly, and smoothly,
and will he look upon that | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
as a potential solution
for our border in Dover? | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
I thank my honourable friend
for that point and I have no doubt | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
that that is just one other example
of where facilitations in technology | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
can insure the goods move
across a customs | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
frontier efficiently. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
Mel Stride on matters of Brexit. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:31 | |
And there will be more Brexit
later in the programme. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Strong appeals have been made by MPs
for a cystic fibrosis drug, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
Orkambi, to be made available
on the NHS in England. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Cystic fibrosis affects
more than ten thousand | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
people across the UK. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
It's a genetic condition
affecting mostly the lungs, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
but can also affect other organs. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
The Orkambi drug can slow down
the decline of the lungs. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
It costs, however, around
£100,000 a patient. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:58 | |
Because there is a restricted amount
of people, fortunately, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
that suffer from this condition,
the research, the development | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
still has to go in and it's not
like you are developing the next | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
ibuprofen or cancer
drug which is going | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
to go out to millions
and millions of people. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:19 | |
This is going out to 70,000
people in the world | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
and so therefore in order
to build their research | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
and development budget,
they need to have reasonable costs, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
but nonetheless, of course,
they do need to be reasonable costs. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:37 | |
On Friday, NHS England has
said, following advice, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
the NHS has asked this particular
drug company to review | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
its proposed pricing. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
Unless this happens,
further progress at this time | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
is frankly unlikely. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
"Frankly unlikely." | 0:06:45 | 0:06:51 | |
What sort of hope does a blunt
statement like that give people | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
with cystic fibrosis? | 0:06:54 | 0:07:04 | |
He makes the important
point that actually, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
if people have access to this drug,
they can reduce the number of times | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
they had to go to hospital and it
would be very helpful if we had | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
an understanding of the cost
of those hospital admissions | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
and what that would be,
offset against the drug. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Wouldn't he agree
with me on that point? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
This is a very important point
and one that I hope the Minister | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
will take into account,
because we shouldn't just be looking | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
at the cost of providing Orkambi,
we should be looking | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
at the savings that is housed
in other areas as well. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
It should be available
to everyone that needs it | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
and that is sad that money
is getting in the way | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
of people's health improving. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
Can I add the voice of one
of my 6-year-old constituents | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
who will not benefit from Orkambi,
but recognises that if we don't get | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
this right, the other treatments
that might help her will be subject | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
to similar concerns, similar delays? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
She's just six years
old but she doesn't need | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
this kind of delay. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
This he agree with me that this
is not just about what can be, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
but how we deal with these
life-changing drugs | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
I understand the power of them
to make such a difference? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
I thank the honourable member
for that intervention there. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
I absolutely agree with her
and there are lots of heartbreaking | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
stories from people
who are 6-year-olds and even younger | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
who share in the frustrations
of the people that I am | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
speaking for today. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
But I must now declare
a personal interest, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
as my now 16-month-old granddaughter
was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
shortly after she was born. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
On hearing about this debate,
my daughter-in-law enlisted | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
all her friends and family
to sign the petition. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:33 | |
Even though she knows that Orkambi
will not help her daughter, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:40 | |
but it is Vertex who are developing
new treatments all the time | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
and the use of Orkambi can
only hope that research. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
Yes, the NHS is in discussions
with Vertex about Orkambi. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
Vertex has approached the NHS
England with a proposed deal | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
to reduce its prices. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:58 | |
Whilst I can't share the details
of this proposal due | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
to the commercial confidentiality
nature of them, believe | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
you me, I wish I could. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
I can assure members
that the level that is proposed, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
are still far from cost-effective. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
Therefore, there is
more talking to do. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
Last week, NHS England
made a counter proposal | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
which would ensure that the drugs
could be used at a price | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
that is cost-effective. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
I understand NHS England has agreed
to meet with Vertex, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
I jolly well hope so. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
Of course it is not over e-mail. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
To discuss this counterproposal. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
Following the poisoning
attack in Salisbury, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
Labour is challenging the Government
to do more to end the laundering | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
of so-called "dirty" Russian
money through London. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Responding to an urgent question,
the Minister said there was a "long | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
list" of Government actions -
including measures making it easier | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
to confiscate assets and support
for an amendment to legislation | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
going through Parliament
which could allow sanctions to be | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
imposed on Russians alleged to be
involved in the death | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
of the lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky. | 0:09:50 | 0:10:00 | |
This government has
taken a real steps to | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
tackle criminal finance
in | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
this country. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
Whoever the cooks are,
wherever they are from, and no | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
matter what nationality,
we built pursue them and their cash. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Despite all the Minister has said,
the national crime agency estimates | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
that still £90 billion worth
of money from the rest | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
of the world has been laundered
through the city each year, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
while the UN estimates 100 billion
has been lost in British | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
overseas territories. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
There was, he said,
still a major problem. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:30 | |
There is minimal checking
of the UK's own registry | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
of company ownership. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:33 | |
Indeed, it was possible
for a journalist to set up a company | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
called Crooked Crook limited. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:37 | |
634,000 suspicious activity reports
filed since October 2000 15. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
-- 2015. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
What will the Government now do
to ensure that the enforcement | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
agencies are fully resourced
to tackle this score | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
scourge in our society? | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
What we shouldn't forget,
we sought over the weekend | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
Mr Speaker, what this really
is about is a distraction | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
by the Labour Party from its woeful
response last week, an attempt | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
by the Shadow Chancellor to say,
nothing to see here, look over | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
there, it is all about oligarchs. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
The Government, he said,
was determined to deal | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
with the problem of "dirty money":. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:16 | |
One of the complaints
was that the unexplained wealth | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
order was not used by this
government and it is one | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
of their demand that they
made over the weekend. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
The unexplained wealth order
was used in under two weeks of it | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
running into legislation
on the 31st of January. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
It was served against an overseas
oligarch on it when £2 | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
£22 million of property. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
That was action within a fortnight. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
I welcome the Minister said
about the amendment, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
but can I ask them to confirm
to the House that it will be | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
genuinely tough and able to allow
the authorities to seize | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
money very quickly? | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
In congratulating the Government
on its support and moving | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
towards the Magnitsky amendment,
and I just point out | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
that there are three elements there? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
Firstly, asset seizures, second,
visa bans, and thirdly | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
and very importantly,
a public list of named individuals | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
which makes it difficult for those
names to access finance | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
and encourages others
not to get on the list? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Has the Government compiled
a list of politically | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
exposed people from Russia,
like their own first | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
Deputy Prime Minister,
who could be the subject | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
of an unexplained wealth orders,
and if they have that list, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
will it be published? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
The right honourable gentleman
will know that individuals who may | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
or not be subject of investigation
or operations against them are not | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
people that I would come
to the House and publish. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
It could threaten our ability
to have an effect on then. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Needless to say to the right
honourable member, that it is our | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
determination to make sure
that we use intelligence-led | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
policing to find money and to deal
with those individuals, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
whether they are from
here or from abroad. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
France, Germany, Switzerland, Spain,
many, many other countries have open | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
criminal investigations
into the people who were directly | 0:12:52 | 0:13:00 | |
responsible for the brutal murder
of Sergei Magnitsky. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
Why is the United Kingdom the only
country not to have done so? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
I want to raise another
issue with the Minister | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
and that is the tier one investor
visas, the Golden visas. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:14 | |
Anybody who gets one of those visas
needs to demonstrate they've | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
got £2 million worth,
that they had £2 million | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
that they wish to invest in the UK. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
We know that Russia is one
of the two top countries taking | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
advantage of these tier
one investor visas. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
What steps is the Minister
going to take so that we understand | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
where the £2 million plus comes
from, so that we can be assured | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
that it is not dirty money and these
are not unsavoury individuals? | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
We do have the powers
in our visa regime already | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
to take action and we will,
quite rightly, as she says, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
be looking at that tier to make sure
that we do better to diligence | 0:13:43 | 0:13:52 | |
-- due diligence, if we need
to on where the money comes from. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
You're watching our round-up of the
day in the Commons and the Lords. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Still to come: an MP says the number
of school-children carrying knives | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
is rising dramatically. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Now, it's three and a half
years behind schedule, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
costing much more than anticipated
and has had lower | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
take-up than predicted. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
The modernisation of
the Home Office's Disclosure | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
And Barring Service,
the DBS, is not going well | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
in the view of the spending
watchdog, the National Audit Office. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
DBS is the successor organisation
to the Criminal Records Bureau. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:28 | |
The poor progress of
the modernisation programme has now | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
been scrutinised by the Commons
public accounts committee. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:36 | |
If your view is that this contract
is still recoverable or deliverable, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
my words rather than yours,
but you understand where I'm going, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:47 | |
where does this contract have to get
in order for you to recommend | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
stopping or pausing? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
Because I see a contract
that is 46 months behind | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
schedule plus and growing,
a contract that is 200 million, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
or in part £200 million over cost. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
So how many millions more does
a contract have to be over cost | 0:15:04 | 0:15:10 | |
or how much longer does the contract
have to be undelivered before | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
somebody goes "That's it,
we can't do it"? | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
In terms of the functionalities
required for the remainder, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
a large part of the functionalities
have been developed. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
There is very little
that is required to be | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
built into the system. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
There is going to be a lot more
testing required to take place, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
so I don't believe that this
contract requires to be stopped. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
It is recoverable,
it is implementable. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
Can I just move on, then,
to you, Sir Philip? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
You have, as Mr Rowley
said, disavowed yourself | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
of the 2012 contract. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
You've just acknowledged the 2014
contract was a problem. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
You look a little embarrassed
about the failure of this contract. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:54 | |
It's another IT project failure
in a department that you became | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
permanent secretary of less
than a year ago. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
Aren't you rather worried
about the capability | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
of your department to let
these large contracts, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
ESN, for example, as other examples | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
of contracts from the Home Office. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
I think there are many,
many excellent projects | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
which are being delivered
by the Home Office and are delivered | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
in a way that fits in
a framework of to time, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
to cost, good engagement... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
OK, you're talking
about the good ones. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
Of course you want to. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
I could get waylaid and
ask you to detail them, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
but what I am talking about today
is this particular contract. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
And I think Mr Rowley has
highlighted very effectively | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
that there were a number
of problems, and you've agreed | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
with a lot of that concern. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
Don't think anyone's saying
that the NOE is wrong and didn't | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
things go wrong here,
but this is on top of ESN, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
which we have seen you about
now a number of times, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
and other contracts. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:49 | |
Aren't you concerned
about the capability | 0:16:49 | 0:16:57 | |
of the Home Office to let these
large IT contracts effectively? | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
The governance is stronger
in the Home Office, the government | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
scrutiny is stronger of major
programmes now than it was | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
in 2012, markedly so. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
So can I ask sort of specifically
what you have personally done, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:14 | |
what have you personally done to try
and stop this happening again? | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
Have you implemented any
changes since you arrived? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:18 | |
Yes. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:19 | |
So I would, without... | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
I put additional emphasis
on developing the programme | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
project management profession,
I have strengthened and simplified | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
governance within the department,
I have strengthened the management | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
information and
management reporting. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
I have done a number
of things to make very clear | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
within the department the importance
of getting our major | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
change programmes right. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:44 | |
It is a work in progress. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
Sir Philip Rutnam. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Back to Brexit now. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
Because fears that human trafficking
victims and female victims | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
of violence could be left
without protection once the UK | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
is out of the EU have been
voiced in the Lords. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
Peers have had completed
their eighth day of debate | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
on the details of the EU
Withdrawal Bill, the legislation | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
designed to stop Britain being left
in a legal limbo when the country | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
exits this time next year. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
A human rights lawyer
saw a series of dangers, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
facing women particularly,
after March 2019. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:24 | |
After exit day, women
subject to violence could | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
lose significant legal
rights and protections, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
such as European production orders | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
as well as a whole host
of other majors aimed | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
at tackling human trafficking,
female genital mutilation | 0:18:35 | 0:18:36 | |
and other crimes which
disproportionately affect women. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
Given the gravity of what we're
discussing, namely how to protect | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
abused women fleeing the country
in which they live to escape | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
an abuser, I hope to hear how
the Government is expecting | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
to continue protection for
these women and girls post-Brexit. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
But violence against women
and girls, it has not featured | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
in any Brexit-related papers. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:01 | |
So could the noble lady,
the Minister, please tell us | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
what provisions are being made
to continue cooperation and data | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
sharing on known and suspected
perpetrators of human trafficking, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:18 | |
FGM, sexual exploitation of children
and a whole host of benefits | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
which cross-EU cooperation
has brought us until now? | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
I support this amendment and am
concerned about a number of matters, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
particularly the European protection
order and European arrest warrants, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:38 | |
both of which are important weapons
in the issues in relation | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
to domestic violence. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
The situation of a person that has
been trafficked is desperate, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
stripped of agency, power
and dignity, often in an unfamiliar | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
country with little way out. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
This is an issue which significantly
affects women and girls. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
Of all the victims of
human trafficking in Europe, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
70% are women and 11% girls. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
So a focus on tackling violence
against women rightly seeks | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
to address human trafficking. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
Information sharing is the key
to safety and security | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
across the EU, and it is essential
that we maintain our current access | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
to exchange law enforcement
intelligence from other | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
European nations. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
We know, too, though that this
is possible outside of the EU | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
as a number of countries,
such as Norway, Switzerland | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
and the US, have operational
agreements with Europol. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
We are wholly committed to working
with local commissioners to deliver | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
a secure future for violence
against women and girls services. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
Now as part of the negotiations,
we will discuss with the EU member | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
states how best to continue
cooperation on a range of issues, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:56 | |
including the European
arrest warrant and Europol. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:04 | |
An appeal has been made
for the Government to take seriously | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
the issue of young people
taking knives to school. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
The number of knives being carried
by school children has reached | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
epidemic proportions,
in the words of a Labour MP. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
She's fearful that efforts to combat
the rise could be hampered | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
by cuts to school budgets. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
The matter came up at Education
question-time in the Commons. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:25 | |
Knife carrying in schools
across the UK is up 42%, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
and yet in my constituency
in Croydon, and I expect | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
across the country, at least three
quarters of head teachers have had | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
to cut staff, special needs
provision and support life | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
mentoring, which are all crucial
in preventing crime. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Now that this epidemic has
infiltrated our schools, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
will he admit that school
cuts are threatening | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
our childrens' safety? | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
You've heard the Secretary of State
regarding school finance. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
All I would say to the honourable
lady is that the department | 0:21:54 | 0:22:01 | |
is working with the Home Office,
and of course other | 0:22:01 | 0:22:07 | |
police, Ofsted and health
and safety, etc, on updating | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
our school security
guidance to make clear the risks | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
carrying knives and provide advice
on dealing with this | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
really important issue. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:15 | |
It is unacceptable to actually
carry a knife in school. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Youth violence is up,
mental health issues | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
among young people is up,
yet the number of qualified | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
school nurses is down. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
The evidence shows that this can be
part of addressing the root | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
causes of youth violence. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
Can we have qualified school nurses
in every school as one step | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
to tackling this issue? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:43 | |
We are making further
investment in mental health | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
We are making further investment
in mental health in schools to make | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
sure that every school is able
to deal | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
with that issue in a way
that is appropriate. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
NHS officials were accused
of being woefully ignorant | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
of the dangers of over dependence
on prescription drugs. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
Peers called for the government
to provide a network of support | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
for people affected. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
Opioids, like morphine,
tramadol and fentanyl, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:07 | |
are super-strength painkillers,
which can be highly addictive | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
and can even kill if misused. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:10 | |
GPs in England prescribed nearly
24 million opioid-based | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
painkillers in 2017,
according to data from NHS Digital. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
Many, many patients are
suffering huge damage as a result | 0:23:18 | 0:23:24 | |
of overdependence often
because they've been prescribed | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
a particular medicine for
too long a period. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:32 | |
My Lords, there appears to be woeful
ignorance amongst many people | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
in the health service about
this impact of dependence. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
There are no national programmes
for supporting people. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
Instead, people rely
on local charities who are | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
grossly underfunded. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
Doesn't he think it's time
for a national action plan, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
a national help line,
support for local charities | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
and getting the NHS to start
taking this seriously? | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
The Health Minister said
the government had ordered | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
Public Health England to conduct
a review into prescription levels. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:06 | |
There's been a doubling of the use
of serious painkillers and indeed, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
deaths due to opiates of all kinds
rising about two thirds | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
in the last five years. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:14 | |
Of course, that's illegal. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
We do agree. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
That is why the review
is taking place. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
I think it's premature
to say what the outcome | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
of that review will be,
but it is undoubtedly the case | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
that we do need a review... | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
So with the shortage of mental
health service in the NHS, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
GPs often have no alternative
but to prescribe drugs. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
Doesn't the Government have
to address that shortage | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
in both of those areas? | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
I think the link between mental
illness and GP prescribing will be | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
one of the things investigated
in the review. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
We do know we need better mental
health services in this country, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
but I think it is worth pointing out
that are we increasing investment | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
introducing new waiting time
standards and services | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
are getting better. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
Is the noble Minister aware
of the very powerful evidence | 0:24:57 | 0:25:03 | |
from the United States
that one of the most | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
effective ways of reducing
dependency on opioids is in fact | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
to legalize cannabis
for the relief of pain? | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
Cannabis is of course far less
addictive, far less dangerous | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
and yet incredibly effective
for large numbers of patients. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:18 | |
Well, I would definitely be
straying into Home Office | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
territory by commenting. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
I would point that cannabis
remains illegal in this | 0:25:25 | 0:25:32 | |
country and the PHE review's... | 0:25:32 | 0:25:38 | |
The review by Public Health England
into prescription levels is due | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
to report in spring next year. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:42 | |
And that's it for this programme. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Mandy Baker will be here
for the rest of the week. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
But for now, from me,
Keith Macdougall, goodbye. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:56 |