09/06/2011 Newsnight Scotland


Similar Content

Browse content similar to 09/06/2011. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!



Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, after a week of controversy, Nick


Clegg meets Alex Salmond and offers him a couple of hundred million


pounds. The Secretary of State tells this programme he still


thinks there should be two referendums for Scotland to become


independent. And the controversial architect of


Glasgow's new transport museum visits her creation and talks of


ships, space and scepticism. After a week of controversy,


something actually happens. Nick Clegg visited Edinburgh today and


told Alex Salmond he could borrow �200 million this year to help


build a new Forth Road Bridge. It will be the first and the Scottish


government has been allowed to run up dead. Meanwhile, the Secretary


of State of Scotland has told his programme he sticks by his view


that there would need to be two referendums for Scotland to become


independent. # Food, glorious food.


Alex Salmond does not play the role of supplicant well, and there's not


much of the starving Oliver about him. He went to London with his


subservient status well sheltered, but he cannot hide the facts. Even


with a substantial mandate in his pocket, he has to beg for


concessions. This week, he asked the Prime Minister, please, sir,


can I have some more... Borrowing rights, up to �5 billion? And


powers over the Crown Estate, corporation tax, excise duty,


broadcasting and a bigger say in Europe? And he came away empty


handed. He had a second go when Nick Clegg came to Edinburgh, and


he did drop a little something in the SNP poll. We want to get going


as quickly as possible. People want to see this new Forth Bridge being


built as quickly as possible. That is why we are saying that instead


of waiting for the full borrowing powers in several years' time,


let's find a way of getting access to the money earlier on this year


so that we can create the jobs and build the bridge that people want


to see. How much? We will publish the details in the coming days and


weeks, but of course it has to be on a sufficient scale to get big


projects like the new Forth Bridge up and running. Nick Clegg,


speaking to Raymond Buchanan. It is a month since the Holyrood election,


and the manoeuvring us are under way. London cannot reject Mr


Salmond's demands out of hand, for fear of provoking the Scots. Nor


can they caved in to the early and face humiliation, not least at the


hands of their own backbenchers. But neither can Mr Salmond press


too hard and be left humbled by failure to deliver, although he


will not want all his wish-list ticked off, because that might


begin to satisfy the Scots. So each side is playing a longer game. Mr


Salmond will build up the case for the referendum and not commit to


too much detail. That can be contradicted and disparaged. He is


bolstered by today's Herald opinion poll, putting support for


independence up six points at 37%, although that is where it stood in


2009. Then, Mr Salmond is undoubtedly the leader for


independence. But who is the leader against? Logically, it would be


either the Secretary of State for Scotland, or he would be a co-


leader. It has become a matter of incontrovertible fact that Michael


Moore is leader only of the tomb and Scotland Office team. I met the


Secretary of State for Scotland yesterday, and I am meeting him


again today. Now, this is part of minute two meeting strategy. If I


do not get the answer I want in the first meeting, I will organise


another one! It will need Serpentine negotiation to produce a


united unionist front, and almost certainly a many-headed leadership.


And in what could become a highly new ones to debate, there is


another factor. The Labour- supporting Daily Record is shedding


half its journalists. It stuck doggedly to the party line


throughout the election. Willetts anti-nationalist message now be


diluted? The only thing we can be sure of is that Mr Salmond will not


stop asking. The Secretary of State for Scotland,


Michael Moore, has been busy, but earlier this evening he came into


our Selkirk studio. I asked him to outline his decision to allow the


Scottish government to borrow money this year. We have responded to the


representations we had from the committee in the last Scottish


Parliament and from the Scottish government that they would like to


get access to finance before the borrowing powers are introduced as


set out in the bill. We had already said we would do that a couple of


years ahead of the formal powers being available in 2015. But


recognising that this that Government wants to get on with


creating the new Forth crossing, we agreed to bring forward that force


and -- facility to this year. the borrowing comes from where?


This sounds like a local authority, the Scottish government? We will


announce the details over the course of the next week. We will be


making formal presentations to Parliament. But this will enable us


to ensure that the Scottish government gets another tool to add


to the many ways it can help boost Scotland's economy. We are in


tricky economic times and this is an important project. We are


pleased that we can help get at going forward by bringing the money


forward and getting the work under way. And what about Alex Salmond's


demand that the eventual amount he should be able to borrow should be


increased to �5 billion? details of how much we will be


doing, we will announce in due course. We have said to the First


Minister that the issue for the country as a whole is the tight


economic situation we are in and the borrowing limits we have had to


set for the UK as a whole. We are not able simply to increase the


amounts in the way he and others have requested. But in the command


paper and all the public announcements previously, we have


said that we are putting a base amount into the legislation. It is


a flaw which may vary in the future, but which will never be below the


�2.2 billion we have announced. you are saying you will not


increase to the �5 billion at the moment that Alex Salmond wants


because you believe the economic situation will not allow you to,


but sometime in the future, when the economy recovers, that amount


might be increased? That has been clear since the outset. I am sure I


will repeat that again in the Commons in the next couple of weeks.


We have to make sure we live within what we can afford. What is your


current position on how many referendums there should be? Gordon,


I do not think we should be having a referendum at all, because I want


to see Scotland continue to be part of the UK. I have said that if we


get the First Minister coming forward with his proposals for a


referendum, I and my colleagues will campaign to ensure that


Scotland stays within the UK. We have a good case for that. The


First Minister has not set out what kind of independence he wants or


what the costs will be. We are already seeing the concerns of


businesses and other groups about the uncertainty this is creating.


All the other questions are, frankly, hypothetical. The


important thing at the moment is to ensure that we get new powers to


the Scottish parliament, that we get support to the Scottish economy.


But as you know, you said on Monday that if the Scottish people voted


in an advisory referendum organised by the Scottish government for


independence, there would have to be a second referendum before


Scotland could be independent. Is that still your opinion, which you


clearly expressed on Monday? What I clearly expressed on Monday was the


fact that I do not want to see the uncertainty of independence


cladding the need for us to get over the immediate hurdles of the


economy and to ensure we get the Scotland Bill through. We can put


about that in a minute, but let me read to you what you said. You said


"if we have an advisory referendum set up by the Scottish government,


there is a strong likelihood, and this certainly my personal view


that you would need a second referendum on the formalities of


agreeing what is being sorted out by the Government's". Is that still


your view? You will notice the conditionality I put into that,


Gordon. Others say that is a fair and -- otherwise, that is a fair


representation. I stand by that, but I want to be clear that as a


government and as an individual, I am concerned first and foremost


about the economy of Scotland for a With respect, the rest of this is


hypothetical. It is a legitimate debate, but it is not what as


Secretary of State for Scotland or the government as a whole is


focused on. It was you who said it, The problem is, David Cameron's


point of view seems to be opposite two years. Not at all. He and the


Deputy Prime Minister and others have accentuated what I have been


saying that. We're talking about a hypothetical situation that is


dependent on the First Minister coming forward with their proposals


for an independent referendums. We do not know what form the question


will take. We do not know what costs are associated with it. As an


Nick Clegg was saying in Edinburgh today, there is no middle way here.


We are talking about Scotland prospering within the United


Kingdom or Scotland clouded by uncertainty and the disruption


associated with independence. I want Scotland to continue within


the United Kingdom and I am confident it will. You said you


were being very clear, I am not clear at all what you are saying


it's. You seem to be saying you are still of the view that should


people vote in a referendum there would have to be another referendum.


You seem to be telling us that view is also shared by the Prime


Minister. Is that right? I am not putting words into anyone else's


mouth. I am saying that from what we have discussed this week...


what are you saying? A I have to repeat myself. You seem to want to


return to one particular aspect of this. For I am asking your question


and waiting for an answer and not getting it. Perhaps it is because


you're not quite liking the answer I am giving you. You can give me


any answer you like. The point here is that on that Monday, responding


to a question about how this might pan out, I said there was a


likelihood of a second referendums. And the key thing is that I do not


think there should be a referendum at all. Scotland's place should be


to stay within the United Kingdom. I am absolutely on board with all


my colleagues and we're absolutely focused, I am happy to repeat this


yet again. We are focused on getting the Scotland Bill through


and we are focused on getting Scotland's economy on a firm track.


That has got to be the common agenda, not just for us, as the UK


Government but for the Scottish government as well. Just to be


clear, are you, Michael Moore, still of the view there would need


to be two referendums on independence? Yes, I am still of


that opinion, right? I have not changed the opinion I have voiced.


I am putting it in a broader context. In a broader concept --


context of a constitutional debate which is for the First Minister to


bring forward his referendums. We need to see what it is about. We


need to see how he proposes to answer the fundamental questions


about the cost of independence and address the increasing economic


uncertainties. On this business about questions. There has been


some suggestion if the British Government have thought that the


nationalists were in some way obfuscating by having a multi-


choice referendum that you might be tempted to organise the referendum


yourself. Is that the case or speculation? There has been a lot


of speculation this week. The questions are for the First


Minister. We have said he needs to clarify what he wants to do. So it


is up to him and you would not organise one yourself? We have said


it is up to Alex Salmond to bring for the referendum. For us it is a


complete distraction, it is not what people across Scotland want to


see us do. They want us to sort out the economy, they want to see new


powers for the Scottish Parliament so we get new economic


responsibility and financial accountability. That is what the


Scotland Bill is about. We are running out of times. Award last


year procedural questions. There had been reports the prime Minister


it is setting up a Cabinet committee on this issue and you're


going to be a member of it, is that true? At the proper time, the Prime


Minister will announce how we intend to take forward issues to do


with all future constitutional issues and the United Kingdom. If I


may repeat myself, that is a matter for the Prime Minister. At the


appropriate time, he announces Cabinet committees on whatever


subject he wishes to see them focused. For us, our focus is the


economy. That is what Nick Clegg's announcements were about two days.


That is what the Bill is about, insuring we give Scotland the


powers and responsibilities that will help us be more accountable in


Now, she is one of the biggest names in Architecture, yet it has


taken the Iraq designer more than 30 years to see the completion of


her first major public work on British soil. It is winning acclaim


for its interior. Today, she took a look around for herself with our


Arts Correspondent. As you can see from the window there, there are a


major shipyards. It Ben's like a river. It is the idea of the


ability of the structure to make this end. How much of that did you


draw in, what happened here before on the cloud? The shipyards, the


steamers, the engines, a lot of these things were made here. They


were shipped across the world. And they were brought back to be


exhibited here. So the idea of this place being a landmark in that


sense was very much part of the story. How much of a challenge was


the design of a building which did not have pillars. We tried not to


have the structure come into the space. We had the structure on the


perimeter. It is it really interesting structural engineering


issue and has an impact on the space. The space which it moves


around without obstructions. You can see all of it. You have been


such a well-known name and your buildings have been known to


everyone on the architectural landscape for the last 30 years.


Yet, this is the first big public commission that we have seen in the


UK. It is quite surprising. Why has it taken so long? I do not know.


Also, it building in Scotland, which I think it is great. I think


there was always scepticism for whatever reasons, I do not know


what it is. I think it is difficult sometimes to police themselves in a


space if they have not seen it. In European cities, the idea of


competition, doing things which is unknown to them, is may be more


prevalent. Maybe things are changing. Does it feel like a brick


through to have a very visible presence? -- like a break through.


It is very important. And it is important in this location. It I am


happy to be back and that everyone enjoys the building. Is your work


complete here as far as this building goes? For once you have


designed a building, do you keep an eye on it? I am always curious what


they do with it. But it is their project. It is born, you give it to


them and they have to take care of In very quick look at a moral's


front pages. One referendum, three options. The Herald, revealed the


shocking record of care homes in crisis.


That is it for this week, we will As the showers continued to fade


away overnight it will turn unusually cool for this time of


year. We will start with sunshine in the morning but cloud will


develop quickly. If you heavy showers in the afternoon. Later in


the afternoon we will see some heavy, thundery showers to the east


of the Pennines. Expect disruption if you're heading to the tennis at


Queen's Club. In the south-west of England we will see rain. A few


hours of quite intense rain. North Wales, will see some sunshine.


Across Northern Ireland, a gain some sunshine and a slow-moving


showers. It will not be very warm. Similar temperatures in Scotland


and the best of the sunshine around the coast in the afternoon. In


Devon but only 13 degrees and not getting any warmer on Saturday. --


in Edinburgh. Quite a lot of showers around on Friday, but fewer


showers on Saturday as. Most of the showers on Saturday will occurred


during the morning and during the afternoon we should get more


Download Subtitles