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short term, this becomes an ethical rather than a legal debate. | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, we revisit the murder case which has | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
been described as Scotland's version of Stephen Lawrence. It is | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
ten years since the lord advocate apologised for the justice system's | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
failures in the case of Surjit Singh Chhokar, amid accusations of | :00:19. | :00:25. | |
institutional racism. But last month's change in the law may offer | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
new hope of justice being done. Also tonight, the brave new world | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
of Scottish Conservatism. The party's new leader tells the | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
faithful "the flame is still burning". | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Good evening. The case of Surjit Singh Chhokar has often been | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
compared to that of Stephen Lawrence. The Sikh waiter was | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
murdered in Lanarkshire in 1998. Three men accused of his murder | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
were acquitted, but subsequent official inquiries were severely | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
critical of the police and the Procurator Fiscal Service. Ten | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
years ago, the then Lord Advocate issued a public apology for | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
"incompetence, ignorance and institutional racism". Now Scotland | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
has a new law which allows the possibility, for the first time, of | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
conducting a second trial for the same offence. It was a similar | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
change in England which allowed the new trial in the Stephen Lawrence | :01:09. | :01:17. | |
case. Chhokar was stabbed to death | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
outside his girlfriend's home in Lanarkshire. Three men were accused | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
of his murder. One was brought to trial first. He was acquitted of | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
murder after blaming his nephew and another man, David Montgomery. They | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
would try the following year and were also acquitted of murder after | :01:37. | :01:44. | |
blaming the first man. In 2001, the then lord advocate, Colin Boyd, | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
ordered two inquiries into the case. Both were damning. Advocate -- an | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
advocate found that there had been he institutional racism in the way | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
that both Strathclyde police and the fiscal Office had dealt with | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
the family. A Northern Irish judge strongly criticised the legal | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
tactic of the two trials, but found no racial element in the poor | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
handling of the case. Colin Boyd apologised to the Chhokar family | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
and admitted the need for change. We have changed and are committed | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
to further change. We recognise the need for increased accountability. | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
* Apply police also admitted the need to change their procedures -- | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
Strathclyde police. But there Assistant Chief Constable seemed | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
unhappy with the definition of institutional racism. In the | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
context of what has been defined as institutional racism, it would be | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
difficult for any organisation to say that they did not have evidence | :02:44. | :02:52. | |
of that in the way they conducted affairs. The assumption at the time | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
was that the Crown Office had blown its only chance to convict the | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
killers of Surjit Singh Chhokar. The real issue was the Crown | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
Office's failure to prosecute the killers of Surjit Singh Chhokar. | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
Those men will never be brought to justice. No one should forget that. | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
But now there is a new law of double jeopardy. The Crown Office | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
has not ruled out using that ought to reopen the case. It is possible | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
that the Chhokar family may finally see justice done. | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
I am joined now by two of the guests who appeared on that | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
programme in 2001. Aaamer Anwar still acts as solicitor for the | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
Chhokar family, and Graeme Pearson, then a senior police officer, is | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
now an opposition MSP. In the wake of the Lawrence verdicts this week, | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
Aaamer Anwar, what would you like to see happened in the Chhokar | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
case? I spoke to the family before Christmas and again today, and | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
there has always been hope within the family. They were betrayed by | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
the system that was supposed to give them justice, and their son's | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
killers still walk the streets. The family are asking for something | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
simple - justice. They want the men responsible for their son's murder | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
to be behind bars. This change in the law came into place at the end | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
of last year. In theory, it makes that possible, but but practically | :04:14. | :04:20. | |
making it possible is different. Practically, the lord advocate's | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
office heralded the big change of double jeopardy, as did the justice | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
minister, so it is up to them to consider whether there is new | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
evidence. There has been revolutionary change regarding DNA | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
and forensic evidence. We want the Crown Office to revisit the case | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
with a fresh pair of eyes. We want police officers to look at the case | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
again. The reality is that everybody knows who the three men | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
were when Surjit Singh Chhokar was murdered. And three men walked, not | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
on one, but two occasions, free from the High Court in Glasgow. | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
Graeme Pearson, but your policeman's hat back on, Aaamer | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
Anwar says there might need to be new forensic evidence. This did | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
years in the case of Stephen Lawrence. It was 2007 when they | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
discovered that crucial spot of blood. So there would have to be a | :05:18. | :05:26. | |
major forensic effort? Yes. The science of DNA has changed a great | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
deal in the last decade, so there is a possibility that one could | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
harvest additional evidence. And as was acknowledged in the needed to | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
the current discussion, there was an acknowledgement within the court | :05:40. | :05:47. | |
that the tactics used in the trial allowed an opening for people to | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
seek justice. Do you agree that there is a case to put resources | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
into this and see what they can come up with? The Chhokar case has | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
always been a difficult case for the Scottish judicial system. One | :06:02. | :06:08. | |
change in the law allowing a retrial of people seems an ideal | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
set of circumstances to revisit, and to try and achieve justice for | :06:12. | :06:19. | |
the Chhokar family. I do not know whether it is a difference in the | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
law between here and England or not, but one of the points the judge | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
made when he sentenced the two convicted this week was, it does | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
not matter whether you will do the fatal blow or stabbed Stephen | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
Lawrence, you were part of a gang which approached him with lethal | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
intent. If the judge or judges in the two trials in the Chhokar case | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
take the same view, this peculiar defence that they each had of the | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
other one did it would not have been available. If a gang goes out | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
armed with a baseball bat and a knife, and at the end of that | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
attack, a man lies dead on the ground, as did Surjit Singh Chhokar, | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
stabbed repeatedly and beaten to death, one would expect that all | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
three men should be found guilty of murder. But it was a tactic by the | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
Crown Office to prosecute firstly one individual, like him to blame | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
the other two, only for them to blame the first one. If the judge | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
in the first trial had said that is irrelevant, you were part of a gang | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
that did this, I have a convicted of murder, they could not have got | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
away with that defence. It was a matter for the prosecution to | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
prosecute the case and then for the defence and the jury to decide. It | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
allowed one individual to say it was the other two, and then for the | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
other two to blame him. We are a decade on later, and the Crown | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
Office has had fundamental changes, as the police have, in the way they | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
treat families and victims. There is one running sore that still | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
exists to this day, the betrayal of Justice of the Chhokar family. The | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
Crown Office have a duty to revisit the case and see if justice can be | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
done to be fair to the Crown Office, they have to worry about things | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
like prejudicing future trials. other side of that is, are we a bit | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
slow to understand the politics with a small p of this and say, as | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
Aaamer Anwar says, this is a running sore, and for the | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
authorities to say publicly, as both the Metropolitan Police and | :08:26. | :08:36. | |
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the CPS have said in England all There is some truth in that, we | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
tend to be parochial in Scotland and say we have done our best and | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
that is a matter of course but the law has changed. Parliament has | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
changed a lot and allows the door to open on revisiting cases where | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
it is perceived that new evidence is available and that conviction | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
can be achieved. One should read is that those cases which lie in our | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
history and cried out for some response. I think this is one of | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
them and the Crown should take a really close look at these | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
circumstances and if they deem it responsible and advisable, it | :09:13. | :09:23. | |
should come back to the courts. There were two inquiries into this. | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
Today they say they are reviewing cases in light of the change in the | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
law last year and are not saying anything about specific cases so | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
they are not ruling anything in or out. There were two inquiries into | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
the case of Surjit Singh Chokhar. They were supposed to introduce | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
enormous changes in Scotland and a new experience, have they? | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
starting point is that both of those inquiries were condemned by | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
the Chhokar family. They actually walked out of those inquiries | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
because they thought it was a whitewash and they consider those | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
inquiry still to be a whitewash. Imagine the Lawrence inquiry | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
without the family giving evidence in public and without a lawyer has | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
been able to cross-examine the Metropolitan Police. You have a | :10:10. | :10:17. | |
whitewash and sending... It never works with these inquiries. The | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
fact is, there was revolutionary change that took place as a result, | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
it was a shock to the system regarding the police but | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
unfortunately the enquiry allowed the Crown to get off the hook and | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
focus of attention on the police when, at the time, but family were | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
very much focused on the prosecution system and the press | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
jump onto the fact that the Stephen Lawrence case, the same police in | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
England and up here and what we had was a system of justice, relatively | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
unchanged for hundreds of years, run like a gentleman's club, | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
shrouded in secrecy, and with unaccountability. Some families and | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
victims say that the same process continues today and that is why the | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
Crown Office has a duty to prove that it has fundamentally changed. | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
Do you recognise that picture? the time there was a focus on | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
Strathclyde police because they conducted the investigation and | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
were things were fundamentally difference -- different from | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
Lawrence inquiry was that the police delivered suspects accused | :11:18. | :11:27. | |
to the courts. You agree with Amer Anwar? The element that caused so | :11:27. | :11:34. | |
much difficulty... The police did not have a lot to learn. We should | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
remind people that the criticism of the place was in the way they | :11:38. | :11:44. | |
handle the family rather than going about catching people? Within the | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
first 24 hours, the police decision is to deny racism but that | :11:49. | :11:55. | |
perpetuate racism and closes down one line of the inquiry. That was a | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
lesson it was learned and was not repeated. If it was repeated, it | :12:00. | :12:07. | |
was by a fool. The thank you but they're much indeed for joining us. | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
-- thank you both very much. How does a new political leader make a | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
mark, especially when some members believe her party to be moribund? | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
As a former journalist, Ruth Davidson should have some idea of | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
how to use the media. Today, she began the process of making the | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
news by recreating the public image of the Scottish Tories. She | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
embodies a surprising change in being a young, female, openly gay | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
Conservative leader. Derek Bateman has been listening to the new voice | :12:27. | :12:37. | |
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of Scottish Conservatism. BBC Radio Scotland... It is for 30 1:00am. | :12:43. | :12:52. | |
Ruth Davidson and Barry Stewart. isn't so long ago that Ruth | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
Davidson was a radio journalist at the BBC. Today, she was on the | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
other side of the cloud and on the other side of the microphone and on | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
the other side in the war of attrition between journalists and | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
politicians. The new Tory leader is still forging the impression she | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
wants the voters to accept and the first matter of note in today's | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
speech was for almost total omission of Alex Salmond. There was | :13:18. | :13:25. | |
one brief mention. The reporter would have noted this as refusing | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
to be defined by someone else. must be the decade were we won | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
again for Scotland, when we reach out to people who have stopped | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
listening to us. Or perhaps never did. We are proud of who we are, | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
proud of what we stand for. Proud of our values. Because they are | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
Scotland's five years. Tories in Scotland are supposed to be | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
apologetic. Ruth Davidson knows what it's like to come out. She | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
wants secret Tories to do the same and stop hiding. There was much | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
that was conventional, more private sector, less public, empowering | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
individuals, working hard, not joining the Euro. There were two | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
references which mimicked the relentless optimism of the SNP. | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
can build a country and make it the best it can be. We must teach our | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
children to reach for the stars. Her final statement was positively | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
Alex Salmond. Scotland can be the envy of the world but be must work | :14:24. | :14:32. | |
to make it so. Thank you. There was enthusiasm from those present. Do | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
you know what the principles are that would set you apart from the | :14:35. | :14:42. | |
SNP? Common sense Unionists. We stand for common sense. Family | :14:42. | :14:49. | |
values. The kind of things we have to get across. We are on the side | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
of the common person in Scotland. And before, the Conservatives were | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
not aligned with the ordinary person but now she has tried to get | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
the party back to the centre ground of politics and that is where we | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
belong. But what did her own breed, her former colleagues on the other | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
side, make of this? Every time we have had recent elections, people | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
have responded well to the actual principles and the policies that | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
the Conservatives put forward but when it comes to voting, no chance. | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
The issue with Ruth Davidson is she is young, new, we saw today better | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
presentation was interesting and we had these young people standing | :15:30. | :15:37. | |
behind her. All of those above 50 and 60 were in the cheap seats! | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
This is a concerted effort. To take the party to work David Cameron has | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
taken out, in a new direction and trying to ditch some of the image | :15:47. | :15:55. | |
problems they have had. What Ruth Davidson is saying, is keep the | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
party but with the new face. That's a big question, can they do this | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
without ditching the party? The Tories insist that on a blind | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
tasting of Tory policy, people rather like them but it's only when | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
they are relieved as Tory policies, people turn against them. She is | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
talking about a journey towards 2016, she has set modest ambitions | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
for the Conservatives in local government elections in a few | :16:22. | :16:29. | |
months. As every journalist knows, Tories remained toxic. People are | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
not listening because of the impression they have about Tories? | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
That is why I said that it is important that we explain to people | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
why a and b show our values and principles behind the policy | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
announcements. There is an incumbency towards me as leader to | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
make sure we get that message across but to engage with people | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
who have stopped listening, who have not wanted to listen to us in | :16:52. | :16:59. | |
the past. Ruth Davidson has some heavy lifting to do. Tory | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
supporters down at Bedrock think it would be an achievement in itself | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
issue managed to lose any more votes. But she has a mandate, one | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
year to come up with new policies and she has probably as radical as | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
a nation as Tories would have come up with without the Murdo Fraser | :17:18. | :17:25. | |
option. And tomorrow's front pages, the Scotsman... Scottish motorists | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
defied the festive drink-drive crackdown. 12% rise in drivers | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
caught under the influence. And a picture of Audrey Baxter, convicted | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
for drunk driving. The Guardian... Laboured told to expect the cuts to | :17:41. | :17:49. | |
be credible. The party must reject shallow populism. The Independent. | :17:49. | :17:56. | |
There is a tribute to the photographer who died and President | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
Obama says that America can no longer fight the world's battles. | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
Cutting half a million troops, he is. And that's all from this week. | :18:05. | :18:15. | |
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Good news, the worst storms are dying down so much lighter wind to | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
end the week. A very pleasant start do today. Recent sunshine becoming | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
more confined to the east and further west, becoming cloudier | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
with outbreaks of rain. Mid- afternoon, across the Midlands, | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
brightness, turning cloudier but it shot not spoil things. Temperatures | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
struggling at about seven or eight degrees. Cloudy across the south- | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
west with the odd spot of rain. And for Wales as well, after a bright | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
start, it will cloud over with dapper this to end the day. The | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
wind not as strong as they have been. It might turn strong across | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
Northern Ireland with outbreaks of rain. Churning properly wet across | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
the Highlands. Through the afternoon, drier and brighter for | :19:11. | :19:19. | |
the East. The weekend, some showers across northern and western parts | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
but the emphasis is on bright, breezy conditions. The wind isn't | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
as strong, some sunshine, one or two showers but many places will | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
have a fine weekend with sunshine from time to time. This is Saturday, | :19:34. | :19:39. |