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by the BBC's school report. You can catch him again of them. | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
-- catch him again then. Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, the | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
Crown Office says the police are once again on the case of the | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
World's End murders. We'll ask if what they call "new, compelling | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
evidence of guilt" is on the way this time round, after 34 years. | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
Unemployment is still getting worse. Can governments do anything | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
meaningful to avoid a lost generation of youth? | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
And minimum pricing is on the way, but the Canadian example suggests | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
there's still more to do to resolve the nation's problems with booze | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
once and for all. Good evening. First tonight, a | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
story which only a few years ago would have been quite impossible. | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
This afternoon, the Crown Office confirmed that it has instructed | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
Lothian and Borders Police to carry out new investigations into the | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
murders of Christine Eadie and Helen Scott, which took place in | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
1977. A man called Angus Sinclair, a convicted killer, was acquitted | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
of their murder in 2007. I'm joined by our investigations correspondent | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
Mark Daly. He broke the story today. First of | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
all, remind us about this case. This is a case that resonated in | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
Scotland. Christine Eadie and Hama were innocent teenage girls, | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
enjoying a Saturday night in World's End pub in 19 is under | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
seven. They left the pub at 11pm. They were accompanied by two | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
unidentified male's. They were never seen alive again but found | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
murdered the next day. They had been strangled using items of their | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
own clothing and there began a murder hunt spanning decades and | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
what became one of Scotland's most notorious double murders. It took | :01:50. | :01:56. | |
30 years before his suspect was identified. That was Angus Sinclair. | :01:56. | :02:04. | |
He stood trial, as we heard, in 2007, but the case collapsed. There | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
is bitter recriminations about how it was handled, the case. As the | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
law stood back then, there was a chance he could be brought back to | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
trial. If there is growing to be a retrial, what is your understanding | :02:19. | :02:26. | |
of the new evidence? Firstly, it might be useful to say how it might | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
come about with the double jeopardy law. Before, somebody could never | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
be tried twice for the same crime but that changed in November last | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
year. If there is new and compelling evidence of a crime | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
which was not available at the time of the original trial, a new | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
prosecution can be brought. It is my understanding that in this case, | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
this is a case the police and Crown have looked at closely since the | :02:54. | :03:02. | |
failure and embarrassing failure of the prosecution in 2007. I know | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
they have used the latest forensic techniques, they have sent all the | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
exhibits away and they have come up with brand new evidence. That | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
evidence is new DNA. I understand Angus Sinclair's DNA, which has | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
been found on the ligatures which were used to strangle the girls, | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
the Crown will hope this will count as new and compelling evidence and | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
will get it back to trials. should stress the compelling thing, | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
because you cannot under this double jeopardy law, you cannot be | :03:36. | :03:44. | |
tried again unless it goes to the Appeal Court. Explain that. | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
process is that once the Crown has the evidence, it is satisfied with | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
it, it must vent Llodra application to the Court of Appeal. The judges | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
will look. It will almost be like a mini trial before the trial. They | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
will look to see whether the evidence is compelling. My | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
understanding is that application will be lodged within the next few | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
weeks. Then we will know whether the appeal court judges have deemed | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
it sufficient to put it forward for a retrial. Angus Sinclair, who is | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
already a convicted killer and sex offender, he is in prison for an | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
unconnected murder, but he has always denied the World's End | :04:26. | :04:36. | |
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killings. This has resonance because the double jeopardy rule, | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
which might allow a retrial, was itself brought into law partly | :04:42. | :04:50. | |
because of what happened in the original trial of. In 2007, many | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
believe there was sufficient evidence to successfully prosecute | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
Angus Sinclair. His seamen was found on the girls. But what his | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
defence did was claimed that got there through consensual sex. There | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
was additional DNA evidence which the prosecutor decided not to run | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
and it was for that reason that many people believe the crown was | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
at fault. It came out fighting after the failure of that | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
prosecution, it provoked a furious row between the Crown and the judge | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
between that case, Lord Hamilton. Failings in this case run very | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
deeply. This is unfinished business as far as the crown is concerned. | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
What do they say about this? Tonight, they would not talk about | :05:38. | :05:45. | |
the detail of this new evidence, which we have revealed tonight, but | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
they would confirm a new investigation was under way. They | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
said they were committed to using these new powers under the double | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
jeopardy legislation and were unable to comment on the status of | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
the case. Thank you. Now, unemployment figures out today | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
paint a continuing gloomy picture, if perhaps not as gloomy as | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
expected. Scotland's unemployment increased at a slightly worse rate | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
than the UK, but the percentage of people in work in Scotland remains | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
higher than the UK. The most worrying of all statistics, north | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
and south, is the rate of youth unemployment. The Scottish and UK | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
governments are holding what they call a "youth jobs summit" in | :06:19. | :06:29. | |
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Dundee tomorrow to try to conjure That you at the Jobcentre has | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
lengthened. The latest figures showed people looking for work rose | :06:36. | :06:43. | |
by 6,000. UK unemployment stands at 8.4%, Scottish unemployment is 8.7%. | :06:43. | :06:51. | |
The gap has widened slightly. The Scottish Government points out | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
unemployment here is still not as bad as most other UK regions and | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
nations but they have demanded more action from the Chancellor in next | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
week's budget. The statistics also show the public sector employment | :07:03. | :07:11. | |
has taken the brunt of the kit. They shrank by 3.9% up over a year, | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
including the Royal Bank Of Scotland. The private sector also | :07:15. | :07:23. | |
feels the need of support. Private sector jobs fell by 16,000 over the | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
course of 2011. Private sector jobs grew by about under a 1,000 in that | :07:28. | :07:35. | |
period. That disparity is worrying. -- under a 1,000. It reveals the | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
private sector is where jobs are being created. We need to build on | :07:40. | :07:47. | |
that growth. The Conservatives and Lib Dems hit out at the SNP is | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
saying the so-called Plan B wasn't working. Labour said the First | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
Minister was complacent and drew attention to the disproportionately | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
large increase in unemployment among women. | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
I'm joined now by the economist Professor David Bell, who | :08:03. | :08:11. | |
specialises in employment matters. You have a theory, haven't you, | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
that the performance of the Labour market in Scotland is rather worse | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
than it would appear just by looking at the relative | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
unemployment figures between Scotland and the UK. Explain that. | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
The difference between Scotland and the rest of the UK is quite small | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
but what has happened since the start of the recession is that | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
employment has fallen more in Scotland and there has been more of | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
an increase in part-time employment in Scotland. So the number of hours | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
worked in Scotland has fallen proportionately more than in the | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
rest of the UK but prison population has been growing less | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
fast, -- but our population has been growing less fast. We have had | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
a rapid increase in inactivity, people going out of the Labour | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
market altogether. The unemployment rate actually is not the true | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
measure of the state of the Labour market because there are other | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
things going on, like the change in employment, which seems to be worse | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
than in the rest of the UK. always compare Scotland with the | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
rest of the UK. If you took out London and the South East of | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
England, and compared Scotland with other regions of the UK, you might | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
find it is not a typical. That is true. In terms of the unemployment | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
rate, Scotland is pretty much around the middle, if you take all | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
the nine regions of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, Scotland is | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
in the middle of a. There is a particular worry about youth | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
unemployment and there isn't any good news. No, there isn't. 100,000 | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
people unemployed, young people, almost one in four. It is not as | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
bad as some places in Europe, but it is a very disturbing situation, | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
in the sense there is no obvious solution that has come to light the | :10:09. | :10:15. | |
thus far. You say there is no obvious solution because if you | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
meet a minister from either the government in London or Edinburgh, | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
they will produce from their pocket a plan to do something wonderful | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
about youth unemployment. I am curious because we have had so many | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
of these things over the years, and we have so many proposed and there | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
will be more in drawled Osborne's budget, will they ever have any | :10:37. | :10:45. | |
effect. If you look at the policies that ran during the 80s and 90s, | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
the international consensus is that pretty much they achieved nothing. | :10:49. | :10:57. | |
Nothing? No. No increase in jobs as a result of all the interventions | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
that there was. The Nobel prizewinners, they take that fear. | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
We may have got better -- they take that view. We may have gotten | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
better and sophisticated, but unemployment in the UK and in | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
Scotland has risen less in this recession than you would have | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
expected. Given the fairly catastrophic in output. Whether | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
this is because the government has got better at providing policies to | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
help unemployed people back into work or is it because employers and | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
employees are working better together to make sure that | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
redundancies are avoided. That hasn't been resolved. There is also | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
a possibility which is they have kept on Labour rather than laying | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
it off because they thought it might be a quick recovery. Isn't it | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
possible we might see, as with bankruptcy is, there will be a | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
sharp jump in unemployment. That is possible. There is certainly a lot | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
of slack. There has been a big drop in the number of hours worked. When | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
the economy does pick up, there is no guarantee there will be a drop | :12:19. | :12:29. | |
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in unemployment. Maybe people work I want to come back to this thing | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
about you employment. They were a defining characteristic of Tony | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
Blair's Government. Gordon Brown would never go anywhere without a | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
plan to create more jobs. You were saying there is no evidence of any | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
of these having any effect. Is it because you effectively don't want | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
to do the economic base, this demand in the economy so you come | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
up with alternatives to it which is fiddling about on the edges? There | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
are lots of seemingly commendable plans to increase apprentices for | :13:11. | :13:17. | |
example. That will increase their human capital in the economy. But | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
if there isn't any demand for the products the apprentices produced, | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
then they are trained but there isn't necessarily any demand for | :13:26. | :13:34. | |
them in a job. So these micro economics, way you Taylor, let's | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
get young people into jobs, and a CD of the micro economics to do the | :13:39. | :13:47. | |
demand for those people at the other end, are pretty hopeless? | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
problem of unemployment in the last few years hasn't been caused by | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
these micro-economic issues getting it wrong. There are supply problems | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
with the economy but they did not cause the drop in output and they | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
had not caused the increase in unemployment. Can I ask you about | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
statistics? I am curious about the margin of error in all of these | :14:10. | :14:18. | |
figures. A lot of them are based on samples. Can we really... | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
Politicians say it is getting worse in Scotland because it is the SNP's | :14:23. | :14:30. | |
fault. When you take the margins of Errors into account, can we say | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
anything much more than probably unemployment has gone up a bit more | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
in Britain and it may not all may have gone up a bit faster in | :14:39. | :14:45. | |
Scotland and the rest of the UK but the analysis is a bit hit or miss? | :14:45. | :14:51. | |
Ministers love to comment on small changes in these numbers. But, the | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
fact is you have got around 80,000 people who are samples each quarter | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
in the whole of the UK, out of a working population of 25 million. | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
You have got to base your guess as to what is happening to the 20th at | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
-- 25 million on the 25,000 you sample. So there are margins of | :15:13. | :15:22. | |
error. So this conference between the Scottish and UK governments to | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
create more jobs, your message is, don't hold your breath? There is | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
always a point in making an searching for the solution. But, | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
don't be surprised if it's still a long way away. | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
Now, it's been a long time coming, but the Scottish Parliament today | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
voted to support the government's bill on minimum pricing for alcohol. | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
86 votes to zero, to be exact. There's still a fair bit of | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
parliamentary procedure to come but minimum pricing looks like a | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
certainty now and those who support it, and even those who didn't, are | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
now looking ahead to see what else might be done to improve what's | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
often called the nation's uncomfortable relationship with | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
alcohol. What can we learn from the way other democracies have | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
approached the problem? David Allison's report looks at Canada's | :16:04. | :16:13. | |
recent experience of minimum pricing. | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
Canada, a land of great open spaces and likes Godman, a difficult | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
relationship with alcohol. Minimum pricing has been introduced and the | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
signs are it has helped. There has been in direct evidence that if the | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
whole population consumption goes down, all the related arms go down. | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
But we have looked at alcohol related debts and hospital | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
admissions and they have gone down. Significantly each time the minimum | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
prices have been increased. Who is to say that what works in Canada | :16:52. | :17:01. | |
will work here, and even certain kinds of alcohol are concerned with | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
their own type of problems. There is a real concern this is a | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
distraction, the wider story is as much, if not more of a problem. | :17:13. | :17:20. | |
Today at Holyrood, MSPs with Labour abstaining, agreed to back the | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
plans for minimum pricing. Scottish Government is not against | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
alcohol, we're not against drinking, but we are very much against the | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
problems associated with excessive consumption of alcohol. The hard | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
fact is, over the years, Scotland's relationship with alcohol has got | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
out of kilter and it needs to be re balanced. I think everybody accepts | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
price is a fact. Even Labour accepts price is a factor and we | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
are debating who gets the financial benefits. The debate is moving on | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
to what next. We hope wants minimum pricing is resolved we can move the | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
debate on further in changing culture. This is why we must not | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
you minimum pricing in isolation, but a building block in a wider | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
range of initiatives. We tried to amend the bill at that time about | :18:17. | :18:25. | |
premixed alcohol, and America's ban was subsequent to that debate. And | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
the support of other health specialists. A number of countries | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
are concerned about the impact of alcohol and caffeine together. | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
Caffeine acts as a stimulant while alcohol acts as a suppressant and | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
leave you unaware of what level of intoxication you have. Canada has | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
introduced labels so a so called energy drink like Red Bull over | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
there will have a warning label saying don't mix this with alcohol. | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
Sweden has gone down the same road. MSPs might be disappointed with | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
results from Canada. The particular thing of putting the label on, it | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
is a tiny step in the right direction. It hardly touch is the | :19:08. | :19:15. | |
major problem, which is at parties and bars, people buy these products | :19:15. | :19:22. | |
and mix them anyway. Or they don't read the labels. Riots in Vancouver | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
after the local team lost in the Stanley Cup last June, showed | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
Canada's difficult relationship with alcohol continues, even though | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
they have gone further than Scotland by extending minimum | :19:34. | :19:42. | |
pricing to pubs and bars. It tended to be at the low end, which was up | :19:42. | :19:49. | |
to $3 for a standard Serb. So a glass of wine or a shot of spirits. | :19:49. | :19:59. | |
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In the bars, you get it for about �2. Unlike Scotland, there is no | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
sunset clause in Canada's pricing experiment. And with some success | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
and a few failures, they have plenty to teach us. | :20:09. | :20:19. | |
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Now a quick look at tomorrow's The Scotsman has the story about | :20:20. | :20:30. | |
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the world's end murders. A picture of Camilla or on the front. | :20:31. | :20:41. | |
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The Herald, Scots College facing foreign tuition. | :20:42. | :20:52. | |
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