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by the BBC's school report. You can catch him again of them.

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-- catch him again then. Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, the

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Crown Office says the police are once again on the case of the

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World's End murders. We'll ask if what they call "new, compelling

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evidence of guilt" is on the way this time round, after 34 years.

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Unemployment is still getting worse. Can governments do anything

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meaningful to avoid a lost generation of youth?

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And minimum pricing is on the way, but the Canadian example suggests

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there's still more to do to resolve the nation's problems with booze

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once and for all. Good evening. First tonight, a

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story which only a few years ago would have been quite impossible.

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This afternoon, the Crown Office confirmed that it has instructed

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Lothian and Borders Police to carry out new investigations into the

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murders of Christine Eadie and Helen Scott, which took place in

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1977. A man called Angus Sinclair, a convicted killer, was acquitted

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of their murder in 2007. I'm joined by our investigations correspondent

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Mark Daly. He broke the story today. First of

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all, remind us about this case. This is a case that resonated in

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Scotland. Christine Eadie and Hama were innocent teenage girls,

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enjoying a Saturday night in World's End pub in 19 is under

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seven. They left the pub at 11pm. They were accompanied by two

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unidentified male's. They were never seen alive again but found

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murdered the next day. They had been strangled using items of their

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own clothing and there began a murder hunt spanning decades and

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what became one of Scotland's most notorious double murders. It took

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30 years before his suspect was identified. That was Angus Sinclair.

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He stood trial, as we heard, in 2007, but the case collapsed. There

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is bitter recriminations about how it was handled, the case. As the

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law stood back then, there was a chance he could be brought back to

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trial. If there is growing to be a retrial, what is your understanding

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of the new evidence? Firstly, it might be useful to say how it might

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come about with the double jeopardy law. Before, somebody could never

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be tried twice for the same crime but that changed in November last

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year. If there is new and compelling evidence of a crime

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which was not available at the time of the original trial, a new

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prosecution can be brought. It is my understanding that in this case,

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this is a case the police and Crown have looked at closely since the

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failure and embarrassing failure of the prosecution in 2007. I know

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they have used the latest forensic techniques, they have sent all the

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exhibits away and they have come up with brand new evidence. That

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evidence is new DNA. I understand Angus Sinclair's DNA, which has

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been found on the ligatures which were used to strangle the girls,

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the Crown will hope this will count as new and compelling evidence and

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will get it back to trials. should stress the compelling thing,

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because you cannot under this double jeopardy law, you cannot be

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tried again unless it goes to the Appeal Court. Explain that.

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process is that once the Crown has the evidence, it is satisfied with

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it, it must vent Llodra application to the Court of Appeal. The judges

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will look. It will almost be like a mini trial before the trial. They

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will look to see whether the evidence is compelling. My

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understanding is that application will be lodged within the next few

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weeks. Then we will know whether the appeal court judges have deemed

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it sufficient to put it forward for a retrial. Angus Sinclair, who is

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already a convicted killer and sex offender, he is in prison for an

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unconnected murder, but he has always denied the World's End

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killings. This has resonance because the double jeopardy rule,

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which might allow a retrial, was itself brought into law partly

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because of what happened in the original trial of. In 2007, many

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believe there was sufficient evidence to successfully prosecute

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Angus Sinclair. His seamen was found on the girls. But what his

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defence did was claimed that got there through consensual sex. There

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was additional DNA evidence which the prosecutor decided not to run

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and it was for that reason that many people believe the crown was

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at fault. It came out fighting after the failure of that

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prosecution, it provoked a furious row between the Crown and the judge

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between that case, Lord Hamilton. Failings in this case run very

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deeply. This is unfinished business as far as the crown is concerned.

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What do they say about this? Tonight, they would not talk about

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the detail of this new evidence, which we have revealed tonight, but

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they would confirm a new investigation was under way. They

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said they were committed to using these new powers under the double

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jeopardy legislation and were unable to comment on the status of

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the case. Thank you. Now, unemployment figures out today

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paint a continuing gloomy picture, if perhaps not as gloomy as

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expected. Scotland's unemployment increased at a slightly worse rate

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than the UK, but the percentage of people in work in Scotland remains

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higher than the UK. The most worrying of all statistics, north

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and south, is the rate of youth unemployment. The Scottish and UK

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governments are holding what they call a "youth jobs summit" in

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Dundee tomorrow to try to conjure That you at the Jobcentre has

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lengthened. The latest figures showed people looking for work rose

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by 6,000. UK unemployment stands at 8.4%, Scottish unemployment is 8.7%.

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The gap has widened slightly. The Scottish Government points out

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unemployment here is still not as bad as most other UK regions and

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nations but they have demanded more action from the Chancellor in next

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week's budget. The statistics also show the public sector employment

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has taken the brunt of the kit. They shrank by 3.9% up over a year,

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including the Royal Bank Of Scotland. The private sector also

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feels the need of support. Private sector jobs fell by 16,000 over the

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course of 2011. Private sector jobs grew by about under a 1,000 in that

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period. That disparity is worrying. -- under a 1,000. It reveals the

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private sector is where jobs are being created. We need to build on

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that growth. The Conservatives and Lib Dems hit out at the SNP is

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saying the so-called Plan B wasn't working. Labour said the First

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Minister was complacent and drew attention to the disproportionately

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large increase in unemployment among women.

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I'm joined now by the economist Professor David Bell, who

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specialises in employment matters. You have a theory, haven't you,

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that the performance of the Labour market in Scotland is rather worse

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than it would appear just by looking at the relative

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unemployment figures between Scotland and the UK. Explain that.

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The difference between Scotland and the rest of the UK is quite small

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but what has happened since the start of the recession is that

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employment has fallen more in Scotland and there has been more of

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an increase in part-time employment in Scotland. So the number of hours

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worked in Scotland has fallen proportionately more than in the

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rest of the UK but prison population has been growing less

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fast, -- but our population has been growing less fast. We have had

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a rapid increase in inactivity, people going out of the Labour

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market altogether. The unemployment rate actually is not the true

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measure of the state of the Labour market because there are other

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things going on, like the change in employment, which seems to be worse

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than in the rest of the UK. always compare Scotland with the

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rest of the UK. If you took out London and the South East of

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England, and compared Scotland with other regions of the UK, you might

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find it is not a typical. That is true. In terms of the unemployment

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rate, Scotland is pretty much around the middle, if you take all

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the nine regions of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, Scotland is

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in the middle of a. There is a particular worry about youth

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unemployment and there isn't any good news. No, there isn't. 100,000

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people unemployed, young people, almost one in four. It is not as

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bad as some places in Europe, but it is a very disturbing situation,

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in the sense there is no obvious solution that has come to light the

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thus far. You say there is no obvious solution because if you

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meet a minister from either the government in London or Edinburgh,

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they will produce from their pocket a plan to do something wonderful

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about youth unemployment. I am curious because we have had so many

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of these things over the years, and we have so many proposed and there

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will be more in drawled Osborne's budget, will they ever have any

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effect. If you look at the policies that ran during the 80s and 90s,

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the international consensus is that pretty much they achieved nothing.

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Nothing? No. No increase in jobs as a result of all the interventions

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that there was. The Nobel prizewinners, they take that fear.

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We may have got better -- they take that view. We may have gotten

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better and sophisticated, but unemployment in the UK and in

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Scotland has risen less in this recession than you would have

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expected. Given the fairly catastrophic in output. Whether

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this is because the government has got better at providing policies to

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help unemployed people back into work or is it because employers and

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employees are working better together to make sure that

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redundancies are avoided. That hasn't been resolved. There is also

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a possibility which is they have kept on Labour rather than laying

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it off because they thought it might be a quick recovery. Isn't it

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possible we might see, as with bankruptcy is, there will be a

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sharp jump in unemployment. That is possible. There is certainly a lot

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of slack. There has been a big drop in the number of hours worked. When

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the economy does pick up, there is no guarantee there will be a drop

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in unemployment. Maybe people work I want to come back to this thing

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about you employment. They were a defining characteristic of Tony

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Blair's Government. Gordon Brown would never go anywhere without a

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plan to create more jobs. You were saying there is no evidence of any

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of these having any effect. Is it because you effectively don't want

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to do the economic base, this demand in the economy so you come

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up with alternatives to it which is fiddling about on the edges? There

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are lots of seemingly commendable plans to increase apprentices for

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example. That will increase their human capital in the economy. But

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if there isn't any demand for the products the apprentices produced,

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then they are trained but there isn't necessarily any demand for

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them in a job. So these micro economics, way you Taylor, let's

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get young people into jobs, and a CD of the micro economics to do the

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demand for those people at the other end, are pretty hopeless?

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problem of unemployment in the last few years hasn't been caused by

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these micro-economic issues getting it wrong. There are supply problems

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with the economy but they did not cause the drop in output and they

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had not caused the increase in unemployment. Can I ask you about

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statistics? I am curious about the margin of error in all of these

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figures. A lot of them are based on samples. Can we really...

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Politicians say it is getting worse in Scotland because it is the SNP's

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fault. When you take the margins of Errors into account, can we say

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anything much more than probably unemployment has gone up a bit more

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in Britain and it may not all may have gone up a bit faster in

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Scotland and the rest of the UK but the analysis is a bit hit or miss?

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Ministers love to comment on small changes in these numbers. But, the

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fact is you have got around 80,000 people who are samples each quarter

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in the whole of the UK, out of a working population of 25 million.

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You have got to base your guess as to what is happening to the 20th at

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-- 25 million on the 25,000 you sample. So there are margins of

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error. So this conference between the Scottish and UK governments to

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create more jobs, your message is, don't hold your breath? There is

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always a point in making an searching for the solution. But,

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don't be surprised if it's still a long way away.

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Now, it's been a long time coming, but the Scottish Parliament today

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voted to support the government's bill on minimum pricing for alcohol.

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86 votes to zero, to be exact. There's still a fair bit of

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parliamentary procedure to come but minimum pricing looks like a

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certainty now and those who support it, and even those who didn't, are

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now looking ahead to see what else might be done to improve what's

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often called the nation's uncomfortable relationship with

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alcohol. What can we learn from the way other democracies have

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approached the problem? David Allison's report looks at Canada's

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recent experience of minimum pricing.

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Canada, a land of great open spaces and likes Godman, a difficult

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relationship with alcohol. Minimum pricing has been introduced and the

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signs are it has helped. There has been in direct evidence that if the

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whole population consumption goes down, all the related arms go down.

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But we have looked at alcohol related debts and hospital

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admissions and they have gone down. Significantly each time the minimum

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prices have been increased. Who is to say that what works in Canada

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will work here, and even certain kinds of alcohol are concerned with

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their own type of problems. There is a real concern this is a

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distraction, the wider story is as much, if not more of a problem.

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Today at Holyrood, MSPs with Labour abstaining, agreed to back the

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plans for minimum pricing. Scottish Government is not against

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alcohol, we're not against drinking, but we are very much against the

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problems associated with excessive consumption of alcohol. The hard

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fact is, over the years, Scotland's relationship with alcohol has got

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out of kilter and it needs to be re balanced. I think everybody accepts

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price is a fact. Even Labour accepts price is a factor and we

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are debating who gets the financial benefits. The debate is moving on

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to what next. We hope wants minimum pricing is resolved we can move the

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debate on further in changing culture. This is why we must not

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you minimum pricing in isolation, but a building block in a wider

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range of initiatives. We tried to amend the bill at that time about

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premixed alcohol, and America's ban was subsequent to that debate. And

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the support of other health specialists. A number of countries

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are concerned about the impact of alcohol and caffeine together.

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Caffeine acts as a stimulant while alcohol acts as a suppressant and

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leave you unaware of what level of intoxication you have. Canada has

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introduced labels so a so called energy drink like Red Bull over

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there will have a warning label saying don't mix this with alcohol.

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Sweden has gone down the same road. MSPs might be disappointed with

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results from Canada. The particular thing of putting the label on, it

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is a tiny step in the right direction. It hardly touch is the

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major problem, which is at parties and bars, people buy these products

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and mix them anyway. Or they don't read the labels. Riots in Vancouver

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after the local team lost in the Stanley Cup last June, showed

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Canada's difficult relationship with alcohol continues, even though

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they have gone further than Scotland by extending minimum

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pricing to pubs and bars. It tended to be at the low end, which was up

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to $3 for a standard Serb. So a glass of wine or a shot of spirits.

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In the bars, you get it for about �2. Unlike Scotland, there is no

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sunset clause in Canada's pricing experiment. And with some success

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and a few failures, they have plenty to teach us.

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Now a quick look at tomorrow's The Scotsman has the story about

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the world's end murders. A picture of Camilla or on the front.

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The Herald, Scots College facing foreign tuition.

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