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are no lending a hand had it seems Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, as | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
the Greens look set to drop their backing for a multi-option | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
referendum, does anyone want to put devo max on the ballot paper? And, | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
mud may be expected at T In The Park, but as several other events | :00:22. | :00:29. | |
are washed out, we'll look at the cost of this interminable rain. | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
Good evening. To have a second question or not have a second | :00:32. | :00:42. | |
question, that is the, er, question. The unionist parties all say they | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
want more powers for the Scottish Parliament, but don't want a | :00:45. | :00:55. | |
referendum question on that. Alex Salmond says he would prefer not to | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
have a second question but is actively consulting on the | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
possibility anyway. And now that Greens, who have supported a multi- | :01:03. | :01:09. | |
option referendum, seem to be changing their tune. All clear? | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
The second question is now the key battleground in the formulation of | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
a referendum. An opinion poll out today suggests the reason why. When | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
asked whether the Scottish government should negotiate a | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
settlement with the government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
becomes an independent state, a 30 % of those asked a agree and 50 % | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
said they disagreed. The rest would do not knows. But when the option | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
of more powers short of independence was introduced, it was | :01:43. | :01:49. | |
the most popular with respondents. 23 % still preferred independence, | :01:49. | :01:57. | |
29 % said they wanted Holyrood's existing powers, but 37 % said more | :01:57. | :02:04. | |
powers over tax and welfare was their first choice. Despite the | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
relative popularity of further devolution, as suggested by this | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
and other polls, none of the main political parties are demanding | :02:13. | :02:21. | |
this option is on the ballot paper. The SNP won an election promising a | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
referendum on independence. They say they can win an all-or-nothing | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
battle, but they also know that losing could be deeply damaging for | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
their party. That is why some nationalists want further | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
devolution as a full-back. Others feared that including it would give | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
voters an excuse not to back independence. Pro-union politicians | :02:43. | :02:50. | |
say the SNP simply does not have a mandate for all multiple option | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
referendum. All the pro-union parties say that they are | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
considering more powers for the Scottish Parliament but do not want | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
a detailed scheme on the ballot paper. They say multiple options | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
could be confusing, that AGS no question is clearer and that the | :03:08. | :03:14. | |
result would be more decisive. Until now, the Greens have favoured | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
a multi- option fake. Now that seems to be in doubt. | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
The Coke convenor of the Scottish Greens, Patrick Harvie, is here to | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
explain all. What is the position ride now, do you win the Scottish | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
Greens want further devolution on but palate? At the moment our | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
policy is for a multi-option referendum. That policy was adopted | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
a good few years ago. If you think back to when the Calman process was | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
getting under way. We were arguing that as cold and lead process was | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
the way to go, not carving it up between political parties, but | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
something akin to the constitutional convention. That did | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
not happen and we are now at the point of having to discuss whether | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
or not a second question can be fairly all legitimately framed | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
without that Scotland prices having taken place. A couple of people | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
have tried to define devo max or devo plus, but I do not think | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
anyone has achieved a degree of clarity that is needed. But we're | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
not having a referendum mental bleak autumn of 2014, so is there | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
not time for a detailed scheme to be worked out? Possibly, and that | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
is one of the things we will be debating. You said earlier that the | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
greens looks set to drop our support, but what we are said to do | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
is to debate it. What is your pinking as one of the leaders of | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
this party? The two factors that we need to debate a weather clarity | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
can be achieved and by the political mandate can be achieved | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
from the second question? Has the window closed on the need to get | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
clarity, people knowing what they are voting on? What is your view on | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
those points? Something which says something else but we do not quite | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
known what, I do nothing that is a fair question. UK legislation would | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
be needed for any further devolution short of independence. | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
But that was the case when you are going for there to be another | :05:27. | :05:34. | |
option, that has not changed. you had a very clearly defined, | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
well understood, not just by politicians but by the general | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
public, at clear understood scheme of what the next stage of | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
devolution should be, then there is a clear case for saying that a | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
referendum result represents a mandate that the UK government | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
would have to respond to. But the referendum result in favour of | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
something fake an undefined, I am not sure UK government would feel | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
it had to be bound by that. This is about people deciding the future of | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
their country. Image is not on the ballot paper, and if those people | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
want more devolution, how do they go about getting it? Well, I'm | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
afraid he earned the honest answer is I would not have started from | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
here. If we had had that process there was there not just by | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
political parties up by civil society in Scotland, defining what | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
the terms of the referendum should be, then we would be able to put | :06:34. | :06:41. | |
questions that people wanted to be asked. The Calman process and the | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
national conversation were carved up by political parties and it is | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
clear we have a situation where one of those parties has come out on | :06:48. | :06:56. | |
top with a mandate for the referendum. Are you not part of the | :06:56. | :07:03. | |
Campaign for a Yes vote? We will be campaigning for a yes vote. The | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
thing that is missing at the moment is a kind of transformational | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
vision the toaster that. The SNP seemed to think that independence | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
as a campaign can be about, do not worry, nothing much is going to | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
change. I think a campaign that his desire not to scare anybody offer | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
also failed to inspire. Is that why you have not got on board with the | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
yes campaign group for independence. When we took it at the last party | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
meeting, because we have this quaint democratic process, there | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
were no terms for a political party to join yes Scotland. Individuals | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
could join up, but there was no shared decision. A shared decision- | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
making process does now seem to be emerging so we will take that a | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
party conference and the members, myself included, will decide our | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
position in relation to the Yes Scotland, in relation to the second | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
question, and other issues. So the SNP cannot take your backing for | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
granted? They can take for granted absolutely that I personally will | :08:14. | :08:22. | |
be voting for eight Yes vote for independence. But actually talking | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
about what independence genuinely means for issues like the economy, | :08:26. | :08:32. | |
the currency, democratic control of big business. The SNP seemed to be | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
saying that none of these questions will change, these will all be | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
things to think about after the referendum. My concern is that the | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
people who were not going to be motivated by one flag or another, | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
or national identity, those people who are as yet and can do is but | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
not hostile, I think they need to be persuaded that this is about to | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
transformational agenda, house, and can be a better society for us all | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
to live in. Hibbert vision does not get articulated before the | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
referendum I do not see why they will turn out and vote Yes in the | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
way that I would like them too. Alex Salmond is not doing the job | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
yet. I think the whole of the Yes campaign needs to articulate a | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
transformational vision. He people want status quo, they will vote for | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
it, let us not try to make independence that. | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
It has been away too few weeks and wiles of us may not find that an | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
expected in July, it is that is more of a worry for the tourist | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
industry. At least two major events were washed out on Saturday and | :09:42. | :09:51. | |
others have suffered during our dreich summer. Our report begins | :09:51. | :10:01. | |
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with one weekend event which did It is the one big event when mud | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
he's good. T in the Park may have been wet but it was no washout. | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
Revellers there almost expect to get soaked and muddy. But while the | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
exceptionally wet summer is no bloated T in the Park, what about | :10:22. | :10:30. | |
other outdoor events? A fuel thefts in Edinburgh was cancelled, so, too, | :10:30. | :10:37. | |
was the last Highland Games. -- a food event. And last month the | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
Royal Highland Show was hit by bad weather. Visitor numbers may have | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
been down by 20,000 but at least it went ahead. Overall, the bad | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
weather risks causing further short-term damage to some parts of | :10:52. | :11:02. | |
a fragile economy, including parts of the tourist business. Is it a | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
risk that images of a rain-soaked Scotland discourage visitors from | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
afar, or are they an opportunity to show that there is more to Scotland | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
than the scenery and the great outdoors? Some of the most | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
successful visitor attractions are open rain or shine, like the | :11:19. | :11:29. | |
Riverside Museum in Glasgow. Can I have an ice-cream cone, please? | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
Galleries and museums play an important role in the tourism | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
industry and if anything, they can actually benefit from the rain, | :11:37. | :11:45. | |
even the people selling ice-cream. And of course, it is not just our | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
summer festivals but can fall victim to the weather. Edinburgh's | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
Hogmanay party has been cancelled twice in recent years, but as the | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
tourism industry needs to think more about having an all weather | :11:58. | :12:04. | |
strategy. I am joined by Edinburgh -- from | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
Edinburgh by Professor Joe Goldblatt, director of the Centre | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
for the Study of Planned Events at Edinburgh University, and Professor | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
John Lennon, director of the Moffatt Centre for Tourism at | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
Glasgow Caledonian University. Does the better -- weather it matter? | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
we ask tourists of why they come here, primarily it is our wonderful | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
landscapes, our people, our history and our culture. And they seem to | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
be able to put up with the weather. They do not come expecting the sun. | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
So should we worry about the recent weeks and the amount of rain we | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
have had in that period of time? Absolutely not. Professor Lennon in | :12:49. | :12:57. | |
its actually incorrect. -- is absolutely correct. According to | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
numerous studies, the two key factors that determine attendants | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
are location and the uniqueness and value of the attraction on offer. | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
In that regard, what we offer at blog Court Rules festivals is | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
priceless. But what about the events that are called off or sell | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
far fewer tickets as a result of the weather? In many cases these | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
are long-standing financial problems, not just a catastrophic | :13:25. | :13:31. | |
weather event but for one example, in the United States, an event in | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
Pennsylvania had catastrophic weather last summer but as a result, | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
they created a subscription scheme and people supported the festival | :13:40. | :13:46. | |
to the tune of nearly 10% of the gross turnover, so additional funds | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
game. Behind every rainy drought them might just be a golden rainbow. | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
I wonder, John, even we can use our changeable weather to our advantage. | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
Could we actually turn a bit of summer rain into an attractive | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
prospect? I think the way we have marketed Scotland in the last five | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
to seven years has been quite realistic. We have focused on a | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
rugged, dramatic experience, not a Caribbean sunshine and blue sky | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
destination. And I think that marketing is actually very | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
appropriate for the tide of tourists who come. Whether they are | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
coming from the Mediterranean, traditional long, hot summers or | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
whether from the US or the Middle East or further afield, they are | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
not coming up, or the fine from the research, because of our climate. | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
His that back speakers are those who might come have already pulled | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
us out? -- is that because those who might already come have brought | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
us out? Tourists do know what to expect. They check the weather. | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
They are up to speed. When the talk about festivals and events like T | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
in the Park, the question you have to ask is 85,000 people a day still | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
went to tea in the park. We have had washed down festivals in this | :15:05. | :15:12. | |
country in these UK for a long time, Glastonbury. You cannot guarantee | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
the weather but what you cannot guarantee is that people will | :15:14. | :15:21. | |
continue to buy tickets. Do we need more set-piece events in our | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
calendar, to boost tourism and should we really be thinking about | :15:26. | :15:33. | |
a more indoor based strategy? is key is that we have a balanced | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
portfolio of events throughout the entire year so that we are covering | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
not only the PCS and which we already have saturated -- the peak | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
season, but also the off-peak times. That is when the indoor facilities | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
are increasingly important, but as Professor Lennon suggested, one | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
example of this is T in the Park bursars Glastonbury. In our studies | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
at Queen Margaret University, and we have found that people are | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
subject Glastonbury not because of the talent on offer but because of | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
the total environment will experience, and that experience | :16:09. | :16:18. | |
includes mud and more mud. Whatever floats your boat! We have talked | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
about out of season events, trying to join them up. The Government | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
talks about a winter festival, from the St Andrew's Night celebrations | :16:28. | :16:35. | |
through to Burns Night. Has that caught on as an idea? Yes. There is | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
no doubt that events are big business. They can stretch the | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
season. We have some world-class events, things like the Edinburgh | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
Festival, Hogmanay. There is nothing to touch them. There is | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
nothing but replication throughout the world. People trying to get | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
close to what we do well. We have to understand their you will not | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
always hit are those kind of goals with what you're doing but the | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
events and festivals can help with our regional portfolio but also all | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
year tourism and I think what is really Stott and to work and | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
scholar now is the way we are mixing the sports agenda too many | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
other festivals. -- what is really starting to work. All of that helps | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
build Scotland as a destination people will want to visit, spent | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
time in, do more and come back to. But it is true that politicians | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
have set targets for the growth in tourism revenue, which have been | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
very far-fetched. Is that because of global economic problems or just | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
because the targets were unrealistic in the first Test? | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
is because tourism not only contributes economic growth to a | :17:47. | :17:54. | |
nation but it also lifts the spirit of the entire society. So by having | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
this influx of visitors from international destinations, it | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
promotes Scotland's identity throughout the world and at the | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
same time, as in your last picture regarding independence, it helps us | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
create a culture of greater self- confidence amongst ourselves. | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
in terms of the performance of the sector, the various targets that | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
have been set down the years, is it a sector that is performing well, | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
all still underperforming? I think most recent data suggests our | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
domestic tourism, from the rest of the UK, is quite buoyant. Our | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
international visitation has shown a, if you like, stability. But you | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
have to understand that is set against an economic recession that | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
we have not seen since 1929. It is set against huge uncertainty in | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
international markets, particular problems in EU -- in the US. What | :18:52. | :18:59. | |
we are seeing in this is a shift from international duty domestic | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
and also, in my view, a change in the way people book, the way they | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
find out about what they are going to do. This summer, next summer or | :19:09. | :19:18. | |
next week, in fact, as these time becomes shorter. So our targets are | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
ambitious and Bob growth and a performance today has been very | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
strong in what is one of the most competitive sectors in the world. | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
There is hardly a location in the world that is not trying to be a | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
tourism back at the moment. Scotland is performing well. Both | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
of you, if there is one thing you could change, if you were in charge, | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
what would it be? I think the most important thing would be to involve | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
the average citizen in tourism. In other words, to create a campaign | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
where all of Scotland turns to the rest of the world and says We Wish | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
You were Here. In other words, to promote visitation at the ground | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
level. Drive the experience. It must be a special place that people | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
go, I cannot believe how good that was. At all levels. The even if it | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
was raining? It might rain occasionally. Thank you the very | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
much. Tomorrow's front pages. The Herald goes with another economic | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
impact of bad weather, shopping bills to rise as crops hit by wet | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
weather, in an exclusive it says farmers are bracing themselves for | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
the worst heart is in 30 years. Prepared of the Scotsman, asked for | :20:31. | :20:41. | |
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in the dock over bank chiefs like Paul testimony. -- LIBOR testimony. | :20:42. | :20:50. | |
A picture from T in the Park. That is an end to this edition of | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
Newsnight Scotland. You can watch a gain on the iPlayer and there is | :20:54. | :21:04. | |
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more on the BBC website. Good There is more rain to come | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
overnight. Outbreaks over many parts of the UK, then heavy rain | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
developing and targeting parts of the Midlands going into the morning, | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
the North and East Midlands in particular, thundery downpours into | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
the afternoon. Some of those pop up in two Yorkshire as well. There is | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
an amber warning from the Met Office to, potential disruption due | :21:30. | :21:36. | |
to heavy downpours. Many grumbles of thunder. Across south-west | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
England and Wales to end the afternoon, although there is a lot | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
of cloud, some hints of brightness and mainly dry. But then maybe | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
outbreaks of light rain affecting north-west England and Northern | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
Ireland. Not a complete washout because it will be dry between the | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
showers. Dry, too, do for the western fringes of Scotland but a | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
lot of rain down the eastern side. That continues into Wednesday. You | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
can see the rainfall, and disappointingly cool for the time | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
of year. There may be some problems as the rainfall totals stop to add | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
up. Cloud belts again for Tuesday and Wednesday, heavy downpours | :22:17. | :22:23. | |
start to break out. You can see the rain falling and the showers that | :22:23. | :22:26. |