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British government produces another screed saying independence for | :00:14. | :00:19. | |
Scotland would have also some risks, this time about business and your | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
mobile phone. But are they overplaying their hand, will be | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
public not tire of what yes supporters are dubbing Project Fear? | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
Good evening. Vince Cable came to Scotland this morning to launch a | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
paper to so how Scottish business and if it's from being in the UK. | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
Leaks of some of the details over the weekend were described as silly, | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
even by some of his own side and as balderdash by some of the yes | :00:45. | :00:55. | |
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campaign. Could negative campaigning Coming soon... To a screen near you. | :01:04. | :01:13. | |
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A new psychological thriller. future. In an independent | :01:19. | :01:27. | |
Scotland... No one will hear you scream. Of course, this isn't | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
actually a proper film but the title is still very much rooted in | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
reality. Independence campaigners have started using the phrase | :01:36. | :01:45. | |
Project Fear. But are some of the storyline is a | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
bit far-fetched? The UK government suggested Scottish independence | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
would leave mobile phone users facing higher bills raising the | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
possibility of Scottish collars being hit by roaming fees when they | :01:57. | :02:03. | |
visit England but EU rules mean roaming charges will actually fall | :02:03. | :02:13. | |
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English! Delivering the latest warning at this clothing factory in | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
Glasgow, UK Business Secretary Vince Cable said independence could | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
balance an the rest of the country but at the same time defended his | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
government of against charges of negativity arguing voters had to be | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
aware of the risks. I think it is perfectly sensible to have a | :02:34. | :02:41. | |
grown-up debate which is not emotional and sets out the benefits. | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
And the costs. It is not sensible to believe you can float into an | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
independent country and not have consequences. Of course there are | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
consequences and it is correct we spell out some of those problems and | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
uncertainties but we must do it in a sensible, grown-up way and be | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
positive. What I was saying this morning is that we have to be | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
positive about Scotland's role in the British single market. Another | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
major storyline in this debate has been defence. Will an independent | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
Scotland be able to get rid of nuclear weapons, could afford its | :03:13. | :03:21. | |
own military forces and so on? Today, Scottish minister Keith Brown | :03:21. | :03:28. | |
at outlined visions at the Scottish defence committee. How many frigates | :03:28. | :03:34. | |
will you have, submarines? You say you have no idea at all. We can go | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
over the transcript but he said repeatedly that you did not have | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
figures for each of the types. Chairman, if I could say it would be | :03:41. | :03:48. | |
useful, if you check the record you will find things that I have been | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
accused of. My own personal dealings with the Scottish government and its | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
elected members, I have to say, have generated more heat than light in | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
the area of trying to understand what it is that the Scottish | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
government thinks its defence posture would be. As the bickering | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
continues, one Nationalist MSP used her newspaper column to call for an | :04:12. | :04:21. | |
end to the scare stories. Project Fear is the title that is very well | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
named, it sounds like it is on repeat and the more you repeat them, | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
the more you repeat them, Vasiliev a sound and particular in this week, | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
about telecoms, that story was an absolute disaster. But as the | :04:36. | :04:43. | |
prounion campaign -- is the prounion campaign making a valid point? Is it | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
unbecoming of the independence campaign to adopt phrases like | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
Project Fear? The audience will vote with its feet. | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
We are joined by Professor John Curtice Strathclyde University. | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
Before we get onto some of this stuff, where are we in terms of | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
polling? We have heard about a dozen or so opinion polls asking how | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
people will vote in response to the question that will appear on the | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
ballot paper. On average, they suggest that once you take out the | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
people who don't know and won't say, we are looking at a yes vote at | :05:17. | :05:24. | |
around 30% on average. -- 39%. We do say that the opinion polls do not | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
always agree with each other. One is consistently coming in with a vote | :05:29. | :05:36. | |
of around 44% saying yes that means we have a still fairly substantial | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
contest. Everybody else on average are running at about 37 which | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
suggest the yes side have a substantial job to do. Everybody | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
agrees it is behind that there is disagreement about how far yes is | :05:49. | :05:57. | |
behind and so how far across the winning post is across the horizon. | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
-- are far across the horizon the winning post is. If you look up the | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
average of the opinion polls this year and compare it with last year, | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
virtually nothing has changed. In a sense, the good news for the yes | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
side is that all the negative campaigning as they see it by the no | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
side has frankly not had any impact on public opinion but the bad news | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
is that you are behind and you are just as far behind as you were 12 | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
months ago and at some point between now and a little more than 12 months | :06:27. | :06:36. | |
time, you need to make progress. What about all this stuff? Don't be | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
surprised that negative campaigning takes place, it is happening by both | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
sides. We have got Project Fear undoubtedly on the no side but who | :06:43. | :06:51. | |
also have something called Project Distaste on the yes campaign. Things | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
like the spending cuts, the bedroom tax, and they then say that that is | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
a reason to vote for independence but this means there is negative | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
campaigning on both sides. At what the no side think they can feed into | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
is not so much fear but uncertainty and that was one of the words that | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
Vince Cable used in that clip you have shown. They are trying to say | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
to people, actually, there's a lot of uncertainty about what | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
independence would bring and therefore, do you want to take the | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
risk? The evidence is that around three in five people in Scotland | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
think they are not terribly sure what independence means and they are | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
less likely to vote for independence. The mobile phone thing | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
was a bit silly, wasn't it? Negative campaigning comes with a risk and | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
that is that it can rebound on you. Sometimes negative campaigning work | :07:45. | :07:52. | |
and sometimes it doesn't. Clearly to work, it needs to have credibility. | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
There is no doubt that over the weekend, the arguments which in the | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
report published today about mobile phones were oversold and if you ever | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
sell it, it lacks credibility. Another similar example, negative | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
campaigning that doesn't work which is the Tory campaign before the | :08:12. | :08:22. | |
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general election in 1979 -- 1997, saying new Labour had danger. But on | :08:22. | :08:28. | |
the other hand if we look at the current coalition attack on the | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
Labour Party, blaming them that we are still having to have austerity | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
cuts, that is still proving effective, clearing up the mess that | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
way because. That for the public still has credibility and therefore | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
it works but you need to avoid overselling it and it has to be | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
credible and there is no doubt that the no campaign at least made a | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
tactical mistake over the mobile phones. I will be joined in a moment | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
by Blair Jenkins, Chief Executive of the Yes Scotland campaign that has | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
from London I am joined by Ian Murray who is a Labour MP and Shadow | :09:03. | :09:12. | |
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business Minister representing Treasury paper on the currency and | :09:17. | :09:27. | |
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the stuff like that. This seems a shoddy effort, compared to that? | :09:28. | :09:34. | |
It's a list of things saying, they would have to be separate in a | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
separate Scotland, that might cost money, well, yeah, so what? Well, | :09:40. | :09:48. | |
Gordon, you are belittling the questions that need to be asked. | :09:48. | :09:57. | |
Businesses are telling me every single day of the week they want | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
answers to questions which affect their business. Ultimately it | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
affects consumers and the cost of doing business in Scotland. What the | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
paper states is that Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom are | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
linked in terms of operation, in terms of business and the free | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
movement of people. It has worked for the last 300 years. What the | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
paper is doing is posing more questions that the SNP have to | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
answer. It's similar to the questions about whether or not we | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
will be in EU, which currency Scotland will use. Whether or not | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
people will require Visas. What people will do in terms of their | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
pensions and the welfare state. It's clear the questions have to be | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
answered. For the Scottish Government to be prosecuting the | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
argument for the last 80 years and not have an answer for these basic | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
questions is concerning. You would take the point that John Curtice was | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
making, you can over play this stuff. That stuff about mobile | :11:08. | :11:15. | |
phones made you look silly? Let us be clear, Project Fear is | :11:15. | :11:25. | |
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terminology that the Yes campaign has given to asking questions. It | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
can't surely be scaremongering to ask questions of the Scottish | :11:28. | :11:29. | |
Government that are fundamental to the future of Scotland and benefits | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
the Scottish people. On. To suggest you would have to pay roam roaming | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
charge - the suggestion was that if Scotland were independent would you | :11:39. | :11:49. | |
have to pay roaming charges if you used your mobile phone in England | :11:49. | :11:56. | |
when the European Union is moving to a situation where roaming charges | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
will be abolished across the ech U. That was just silly? There are two | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
issues that you raised in the report. The report is more subtle | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
than the reports in the newspapers over the weekend have led us to | :12:15. | :12:21. | |
believe. That is because the SNP don't want to answer the other big | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
questions in this reported and want to concentrate on something that is | :12:26. | :12:35. | |
perhaps more subtle that people are making out. There are two things | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
that fall from that. The EU Directive hasn't been implemented. | :12:40. | :12:48. | |
The second thing is, will Scotland be in the EU? There are big | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
questions to answer. It can't be scaremongering to peep posing the | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
questions. It depends which Scottish minister answers the questions, | :12:59. | :13:06. | |
which we saw in the Defence Select Committee, and it depends what day | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
of the week it is to determine what answer you get. It's important to | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
pose these questions. General has appeared. To say it's scaremongering | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
might convince some people, it will not get you far. It's not getting | :13:23. | :13:30. | |
you anywhere at the moment? One of the key points is despite what Ian | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
said, Project Fear is not a term dreamt up by the Yes campaign it's | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
the Scottish newspaper 10 days ago told us this is a name the No | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
campaign use themselves. Privately they call themselves Project Fear. | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
Any objective commentator - You can do better than that? That is exactly | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
right. Any objective observer of the two campaigns will say "Yes | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
Scotland" is running a more positive campaign. The strategy for Better | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
Together to date, it may change, the strategy at this point is | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
essentially to try to frighten people into voting no next year. | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
Will frighten people if you don't come up to detailed answers to | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
questions they are asking. There are plenty of areas where you haven't | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
done that? There are lots of information and answers to the main | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
questions. Both sides would concede there are things that neither side | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
can predict with any certainty after the vote next year. Whatever the | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
outcome the uncertainty is either way. Which side are you on? Do you | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
take the SNP line on the currency or do you agree with Denis? I think | :14:48. | :14:57. | |
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it's the right thick to do at the point of independence and for years | :14:59. | :15:07. | |
after. The point about the currency it's not a deal breaker for anyone | :15:07. | :15:14. | |
in the Yes campaign. There are different views on what the long | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
term best currency solution for Scotland is. It's one of those areas | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
there is an honest disagreement who think independence is the right | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
answer. We are honest about the differences between us. What we | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
don't get from the other side is any sense of their vision for the future | :15:29. | :15:35. | |
of Scotland. We get a tax on SNP, tax on the Yes campaign but no | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
vision of what Scotland would be like if we had a No result next | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
year? Will we get a Labour vision? Let me pick up on something that | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
blair said. He said the currency wasn't an important aspect for the | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
Yes campaign. This is nothing to do with the Yes campaign in terms of | :15:53. | :15:59. | |
currency. It's to do with Scottish business and Scottish people. It's | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
neither here nor there whether it's important to the Yes campaign. It's | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
important to the CBI and SCDI, and important to the chambers of | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
commerce and the uniones who came out with reports showing the | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
difficulties with regards to their currency position. Yes campaign have | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
to start giving answers to the country. Labour have got their | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
devolution commission paper out to consultation and will bring forward | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
proposals in the next few months. Would you like to see? In terms of | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
what? In terms of what your proposals? We would like to see a | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
settlement in the best interests of the people of Scotland. We would | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
like to see devolution continues. We set up the skot Scottish - What | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
would you auto like to see? Scotland Act hasn't been implemented yet. | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
curious as to what you would like to see? It's not personally what I | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
would like to see - It is -With all due respect, no the what I want to | :16:47. | :16:54. | |
see, what is in the best interests of the people of Scotland. What do | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
you think would be in the best interests of people of Scotland? | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
devolution is in the best interests of Scotland that would be my view. | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
It's not for me to suggest whether we use the euro or sterling it's not | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
for me to suggest a basket of devolution powers not in the best | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
interests of Scotland. It's like filling your shopping basket up | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
without knowing what you want to eat. We are putting forward a | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
positive vision for the future of Scotland on the devolution journey. | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
That has to be in the best interests of the Scottish people. It's surely | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
not about me. Nobody cares what Ian Murray thinks about what should be | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
devolved to Scotland and what shouldn't be devolved. It's about a | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
detailed analysis of what is the best for Scotland. I don't think | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
what conclusion should be drawn what Ian Murray thinks about these | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
issues. We are setting out a clear perspectous that Scotland would have | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
a better deamong ratione, fairer society and stronger economy if we | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
vote for independence. The story of the UK - the story of the UK for | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
mother than 30 years now is the story of the erosion of the ideal of | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
equality of opportunity. Next year, people in Scotland - That is a bufrn | :18:01. | :18:07. |