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to staunch the loss of life and Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, the

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fox at the Edinburgh tram project takes another bizarre twist. --

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fiasco it turns out that it will cost more to mothball it than to

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extend it. Good Evening. It's a bargain, nothing for just �7 50

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million. That's the eye-watering cost to the taxpayer for cancelling

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Edinburgh's disastrous Tam project. A truncated scheme would still be

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even �150 million over budget. I'll try to find out why and what the

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money might have been better spent on in a moment. Government sources

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have told the programme that ministers would enthusiastically

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back a public inquiry. Kenneth # There he was, digging his hole

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# Hole in the ground # So big and sort of round it was

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# And there was I # Digging it deep... # Dispute,

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disruption and delay. That's all the nation's capital has to show

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for its grand trams project. As for the bill, which makes the overruns

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of the Holyrood building seem positively puny, all of Scotland is

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helping to pay that, in return for what exactly? Perhaps nothing at

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all. Cancelling would be the best thing. I don't agree with the trams,

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but I think it would be a shame to stand there seeing as though we've

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spent so much on it. The official report says completing the line

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just from Edinburgh Airport to Haymarket would cost �700 million,

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taking it from there and to St Andrews Square would increase the

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bill by over 10%, not much more the story goes than just cancelling the

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whole project outright. Trouble is, there's less than �500 million in

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the budget and one, albeit unofficial estimate of how much it

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will cost to restore Edinburgh to the way it was, is another nine

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figure sum. The people of Edinburgh have learned to take any figures to

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do with the tram scheme with a heavy dose of salt. The figures

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have been produced with people in vested interests in continuing. We

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were told that we'd get lines running to Newhaven for �5 45

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million that. Didn't happen and I don't expect �77 0 million to be

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the final cost for St Andrews Square if the council decides to go

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ahead with that. But the council's transport convenor wants to plough

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on with the most expensive option. When you look at the costs, there's

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very little between them. When you add in is subsidy required to run

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to Haymarket, for example, that brings it close up to the cost for

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St Andrews Square, and when you look at cancellation, it in fact,

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you would not be allowed to pay that over the 30 years when you

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would have a capital asset. So we'd be faced with finding hundreds of

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millions of pounds right now. I think that the options, within you

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look at them, they have strengths and weaknesses, but the most

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sensible option is there by quite a distance. The SNP tried to kill the

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project four years ago, but then a minority administration, they were

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voted down by the Unionist Partys. On trams, the SNP have lost the

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argument. The Transport Minister claimed as minister that the costs

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were out of control. They're not. Does Wendy Alexander accept that

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there must be constraints on the ability of other parties to commit

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the Government or to infer the Government should be committed to

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financial commitments out with the budget process? I say to the

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Cabinet Secretary, if you have one shred of evidence that costs were

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out of control, the word "cost" would have appeared in your

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statement today. The city council Labour group today said things were

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fine back then, they claim it was the Liberal Democrat SNP

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administration which succeeded them that made a mess of it. The SNP

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don't have a councillor on the board of the tram company, at least

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until recently Labour did, alongside two Liberal Democrats and

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a Tory. # We're on a road to nowhere... #

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It is actually possible to build and run tram projects, they exist

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in many European cities, albeit in some which were fairly easy to re-

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develop after World War II, but more recently, the British Isles

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This is not the first time a botched job has been dubbed

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Edinburgh's disgrace. Work on the national monument began in 1826 and

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was never completed. Delays and cost overruns on the Holyrood

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Parliament project led to a public inquiry, but at least the

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building's been up and running for years. Now there are calls for a

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similar inquest into the trams. One focus would be the contract between

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Tie and the contractors, which has not prevented several costly

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disputes. We need to work out what's gone wrong and find out

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whether the figures being banded about are true. Part of the problem

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is that the firs keep changing, we need an independent inquiry to work

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out really what is going on and how much it will cost to make it right.

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Glasgow ease Transport Museum opened yesterday, it has four trams,

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four more than Edinburgh. They are not going anywhere, but they are

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not meant to. Edinburgh's spent millions before a single tram's run.

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Transport Scotland's underlined the distance ministers have maintained

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since they tried to stop the project. The Scottish Government

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opposed the project, but in June 2007, the Scottish Parliament voted

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in favour of funding up to a maximum of �500 million, a figure

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that ministers will not increase. The project is, always has been,

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the responsibility of City of Edinburgh and the cost of

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cancellation, of not taking the tram's project forward, is a matter

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for them. To prove Edinburgh could do it once, these pictures, the old

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Edinburgh trams which made their final run to the depot, 55 years

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ago. Maybe those really were the days. Might even be funny if it

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I'm joined from our Edinburgh studio by the Liberal Democrat

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councillor, Gordon MacKenzie who's transport convenor at Edinburgh

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city council. Seems rather extraordinary that we could end up

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paying �7 50 million for this tram project and end up with nothing?

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Yes, it does. But we have to be very careful about the figures.

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They've come out in a leak today and I can't confirm that because

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it's part of an ongoing commercial discussion, but yes, it's

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potentially one of the outcomes that we'd have to reach a

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commercial settlement with the contractor for them to walk away

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from this and we'd be left with nothing for over �70 million if the

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figures are correct. -- �700 million. And it would be cheaper to

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build a tram network, but it's about �700 million to build the

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thing to Haymarket? Yes, again, the figures are subject, in many cases,

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to an element of commercial discuss yet, but the figure of �700 million,

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there's also the running costs which you would apply to that. The

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report suggests there would be a deficit of �3-�4 million a year on

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that, Fuad that in, the cost over 25-30 years, today's cost would be

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about �7 50 million as well. There's quite a lot of similarity

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between the cost to Haymarket and the cost to St Andrews Square from

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those figures. And you and your preferred option would be to build

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the thing to St Andrews Square which is another �0 million or so,

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isn't it? I would caveat it by saying we have to have a look at

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the detailed figures. I've not seen the report yet. I've obviously read

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the leaked reports and have had a briefing on it. We need to see if

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it stacks up, because there's been a lot of figures going around in

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the past which have not proven to be accurate, unfortunately. We need

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to look at that as well. But the figures to St Andrews Square would

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suggest we'd make a surplus of �200 million a year and, on the basis of

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that, the net cost to the council is slightly less than the total

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cost being suggested. So there are elements of that which can take the

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costs up or down relating to whether it's Haymarket or St

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Andrews Square, it brings it in to about the same level is the sense

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of what I'm getting from the reports. Whichever option you

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choose, including mothballing it, you are going to need a couple of

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hundred million? Yes. Where are you going to get that? We don't have a

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detailed plan on that and that's part of what we'll have to get from

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council officers. Do you have a The fall-back position would be to

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get an agreement by the Scottish Government on a truncated route.

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You would have to get that agreement as a starting position.

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The Council would have to raise the money through borrowing. That would

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be a very substantial cost to the Council, somewhere in the region of

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10 to �12 million per year. That would have an enormous impact. We

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want to explore with the Scottish Government and hymn alternative

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means of funding the project. -- any. I do not want to close the

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door on Nani options. -- any. I am going to lose the discussions on

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the detail with officials from his got his Government. I will not rule

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anything out. This covers Government may want to rule certain

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aspects out. -- at the Scottish Government. We need to see what the

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best way his to help Edinburgh to resolve a huge problem financially.

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The problem you have is that giving you have spent almost half a

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billion pounds and achieved nothing, why unearthed should anybody

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believe you when you say that for another 200 million you can get a

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tram line to send Andris Square? You do not have Annie credibility.

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-- any. Transport Scotland, the Scot has Government have been aware

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of the discussions we have been having. -- Scottish Government.

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keep using words like vigorous assessment. What you guys have been

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doing is nothing short of a national joke, not to mention and

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national scandal. You have no credibility left. We have got other

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independent people who have not been previously involved. You have

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had an lee macro number of them and their Rezai and or get fired. --

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any. -- they resign. Many of the officials involved, for example,

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the chief executive, he was not a chief executive when the project

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kicked off. There are a lot of people with their own personal

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reputations who were looking at these figures and will be asked to

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endorse them before councillors take it decision. Getting fresh

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people in to look at it will help us to raise confidence and the

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figures. People do Nat have a lot of confidence and the figures.

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Quite rightly so. -- people do not. For presumably you would welcome a

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public inquiry? A absolutely. No doubt. It has to be an independent

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inquiry. People like myself who have been involved, even people

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Butt macro it has to be taken out of our hands. --.... Somebody who

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can look at this rigorously and tell us in it where it went wrong,

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how it could have been done differently. We do not want to make

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the same kind of mistakes we have made here. Presumably you would

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also accept that the political leadership and the officials who

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have been run in this well after the go? No, I do not accept that. -

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- will have to go. People want to have confidence raised in the

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figures that come before them. An independent objective inquiry will

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tell us what we need to know of that where blame lies. -- to Noel

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where blame lies. You have on several occasions sat where you're

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now and told me a load of things that never actually happened. --

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you are now. I told you what I believed to be true. When I say you

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have no credibility left, what is your answer? I have told you the

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best information I had at the time. We had information in 2000 and that

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said this is a good product. -- 2000 and date. -- do 1008. All 57

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of us Papa macro Hans up on the basis of the advice we had. -- put

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par macro Hans up. You told me he had won a shed load of cases which

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had been independently adjudicated. Not only was that not true, but the

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fact it was not true lead to be also -- to the wholesale

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reorganisation. I do not recall saying that. If you recall saying

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there had been mixed results through mediation. What I said was

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the results were mixed. And there were. We want some aspects and we

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lost on major points. Do not have go away. We had joined from

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Edinburgh by the Labour and Brett city Councillor Leslie Heimans and

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Colin Keir, also happens to be an SNP. -- Councillor Lesley Hinds.

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Which option would you now Professor of the ones that have

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been out land? -- would you prefer. None of them. One of the problems

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is we do not get details of the report until tomorrow. That gives

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us a week to scrutinise it or ask questions. I do not think any of

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the options are ones we would like to consider. What option do you

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want? The trouble is we have not seen the report. It will be put to

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the Council next week. My real concern is that yet again every Tom

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rico macro to a Council meeting, another report comes forward with

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different figures. -- every time we There was no political leadership

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at the heart of this decision making. Everybody seems to agree

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that part of the problem has been the original contract was drawn up

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between the Council and the developers, the contractors, which

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was done under an Labour administration, so you're not

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exactly blame us in this? That is not the case. In 2007 Independent

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although Scotland carried out a report and said this Drahm project

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was robust. -- tram project. The contract was not actually signed.

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It was signed in March 2008. That report said that 95% of that

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contract was a set price. It was a set price we would keep do. We were

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given assurances by officials that the contract was robust. And 90 per

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us - my Nagi 5% of that contract would be kept to. -- 95%. I feel

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disappointed. We have had four years of a coalition Council to

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have mishandled it. Colin Keir, which of the options would you

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favour? I have no real faults on an inner core of them. I have not seen

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the report. I have not been briefed. Will it can say -- what how can say

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is that this is the worst Ed mack - - nightmare for Edinburgh and the

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Scottish taxpayer. It is vastly over-budget. We have not had

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anything to do with the management of this. I think it is a little

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rich of cancer Leslie Hines. I have a Labour amendment from 30th April

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2009, backed by the Tories, saying that not only should we carry on

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with the line, but they were looking for the director of finance

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to find money for the second line. They obviously knew something.

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Aaron the same position as Labour. The SNP wants to come over all

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innocent on this. John Sweeney says he will not give any more money to

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the project. -- John Swinney. You have been running the Council since

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2007. To say you have nothing to do what this is simply ridiculous?

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Absolutely not. We have a situation where we agreed that there would be

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no input from the SNP into the management of this. That was

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because of are or opposition. We never took up the option of a

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member of the board. That is a curious way to exercise

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responsibility for running Edna? With respect, this is a project we

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disagreed with. We wanted nothing to do with this. Hang on. We have

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been running Ed Matts. None of this is Al macro fault. -- Edinburgh. It

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has turned into a national catastrophe. I agree with you. It

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is simply appalling. I have welcome Richard Jeffries's resignation. --

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I welcomed. I have not been impressed by the standard of

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management. Every report has a negative aspect. Gordon McKenzie,

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what is happening now. A few days ago you were talking about flogging

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some of the project off to a private developer. You are shaking

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your head. What you were. reports say in the press said at a

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meeting with the developer. That is correct. They were interested in

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funding extensions to the tram network. I said, that is fine, tell

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me about it. They told me about it and they went away. The press have

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reported that. I have not been tried to flog off part of the tram

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network. -- trying. If somebody says, we will do you a line to

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Newhaven and operated and you would not have to pay anything up front,

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for the long-suffering residents of Leith Walk, who may get something

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in return, that would be a good deal, wouldn't it? It might be if

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the price was right. You would have to pay either an excess Church or

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some sort of lease arrangement. -- charge. We're not in a position to

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have a negotiation about extending the tram network of how we have

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resolved a contractual dispute. It is a moot point. -- until we have

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resolved. Councillor Lesley Hinds, what you want Gordon McKenzie to

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do? A want him to show some leadership and I want the SNP to

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take responsibility. They will take special responsibility for be

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members of the administration and working with it Lib Dems. It is

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about time they took some responsibility. They cannot say for

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the last four years... Gordon McKenzie needs to take some

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leadership and speak to the SNP. do what? I have been speaking to

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many businesses and the community. They want to know how much the tram

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is going to cost, and what the timescale is. What I am getting a

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feeling from is that what is looked for next Thursday is to continue

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again and not to make any decisions. And to come back in October. The

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Scottish Government and giving strong -- getting strong signals

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that there will be some money. At - - giving strong signals. What the

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Scart his Government is doing and private is not what they're saying

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in public. -- the Scottish Government. I have not heard

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anything. What would you like Gordon McKenzie to do? I would like

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to see the report first of all. I cannot make a definitive

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determination on the back of what I have not seen. I would suggest that

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it would ever happens, we have to see what is in the best interest of

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the taxpayer. Unfortunately, the work is nowhere near finished. If

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what we're hearing his crew, whatever happens, the taxpayer will

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take a hit. -- is true. Thank you will. David Mellor is outside the

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Admiral City Chamber. -- Edinburgh City Chamber. Councillors will meet

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at their next week to did -- to decide the fate of the project.

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What is the feeling of the people that Mark? -- Edinburgh?

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feeling is one of depression. There is not much to be cheerful about as

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you head off to bed. It has clearly been another very difficult day for

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elected representatives and officials here. I think the mood on

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the street generally is one of growing anger. Deep, deep sense of

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frustration. Michael Uoka authorities across the country, the

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City is facing difficult Financial Times. -- like other authorities.

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They will have to argue for more money to go towards a tram project.

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Difficult times for everybody. People in Edinburgh probably find

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it difficult to believe that there are people in Scotland who do not

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regularly visit Edinburgh. The residents have had to put up with

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extraordinary disruption. Tell me Extraordinary disruption over the

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years. If we take one particular area, Gordon, Leith Walk, for

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example, which suffered very, very serious disruption over an extended

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period, as utilities were moved ford the tram lined to be built, an

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area now where of course no-one's talking about tram lines even being

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laid in the years to come now. The focus, at best, is on completing

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this line all the way to St Andrews Square. So take a walk down Leith

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Walk, if that's not too much of a pun, and you will pick up on a real

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sense of the transport convenor and what he said. People will ask where

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is the Liberal Democrat Jenny Doyle in all of this. If we saw gravity

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emerging, Boris Johnson wouldn't be to the foredefending the local

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authority's position. We hear very little from Jenny Doyle and

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there'll be questions increasingly asked about her handling of the

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project. The buck stops with her. The phrase that springs to mind is

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a great city failed by its elective representatives.

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Thank you very much indeed for Thank you very much indeed for

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joining us. A quick look at tomorrow's front-pages which are

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talking about this issue. Fresh blow for trams as Holyrood rejects

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bailout is the line in the Herald. Cost of scrapping now seen as �750

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million. The Scotsman, tram cost to reach �700 million even if scrapped.

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The Guardian, Obama takes gamble on Afghan retreat, it says,, and the

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Daily Telegraph, give voters shares in bailed-out banks. That's it for

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tonight. I'm back tomorrow. Good We are left with heavy showers in

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eastern England tomorrow. In the afternoon, still heavy showers over

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the Pennines in particular across Yorkshire, down into Lincolnshire.

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Scattering of light showers in the Midlands. Sharp ones in East Anglia.

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The threat of showers at Wimbledon again during tomorrow. Perhaps the

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driest weather will be in the south-west of England. Very few

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showers in the afternoon. Not as breezy as it was today.

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Temperatures still nothing startling.

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Wales, South Wales, seeing plenty of sunshine in the afternoon. North

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Wales seeing more showers. Across Northern Ireland, a lot of cloud

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around, more showers to come again and temperatures only 15.

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Not much warmer in Scotland where we'll see more showers in the

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north-east compared with today. Probably turning drier in the

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south-west. You can see we have some showers there in Edinburgh on

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Thursday. There may be the odd one around, even into Friday as well.

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Most of the showers in the north- east of Scotland on Friday.

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Further south, heavy showers, London, fewer showers in Cardiff,

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but it clouds over with a little rain in Cardiff on Friday. Many

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