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Tonight, could Ed Milliband's new position on Government cuts split | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
the Labour movement? The GMB union, courted by Ed Milliband when he ran | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
for leader, threatens to cut ties with the party. Is Labour's policy | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
even coherent, David Grossman is on the case. Is Labour, in seeking to | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
both oppose the Government's cuts, and not promise to reverse them, | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
really, I don't know. Trying to have it both ways! | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
We will hear from the Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls. The striken | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Italian cruiseship, we have new revelation about how close it came | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
to rocks on a previous voyage. Rare access to the work of Arab | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
League monitors in Syria, swamped by opposition crowds, as they | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
present evidence of atrocities. Everyone knows the Arab League, the | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
international body, with the best chance of influencing the Syrian | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
Government. That is why people are so desperate to have their voice | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
heard today. The Government wins the vote to | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
abolish adult disability living allowance, we debate whether the | :01:10. | :01:20. | |
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most vulnerable will suffer, with Tanni Grey-Thompson and our wests. | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
WikiLeaks takes down its website to protest on plans for against on- | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
line piracy. Good evening, being in opposition | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
is never easy. Being in opposition during the worst economic crisis in | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
the lifetime of most voters, and probably with three years to wait | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
for an election, has proved extremely bumpy for Ed Milliband in | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
recent weeks. Tonight he faces a new test, a row which cuts to the | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
heart of the Labour movement. Trade union leaders are furious with Mr | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
Miliband, for backing the Government policy of capping public | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
sector pay, and refusing to commit to reversing any coalition cuts. | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
Since the unions give Labour almost 80% of its funding, not from public | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
sources, threats by one major union to split away are being taken very | :02:10. | :02:20. | |
seriously. As we will hear from Ed Balls in a moment. | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
The philosophical battle over how to rescue the economy has never | :02:24. | :02:30. | |
been more entertainingly presented than in this brilliant video. Has | :02:30. | :02:40. | |
there been another convert to the side, is Labour abandoned | :02:40. | :02:48. | |
Keynesianism. They have changed their tune significantly since the | :02:48. | :02:55. | |
Shadow Chancellor said they would not reverse cuts and exercise pay | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
represent. Len McCluskey, the general secretary of the Unite | :02:58. | :03:08. | |
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union, has written a scathing Len McCluskey is entitled to his | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
view, but he's wrong. Because I'm changing the Labour Party, so that | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
we can deliver fairness, even when there is less money around. That | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
requires tough decisions. It requires tough decisions to put a | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
priority on jobs over public sector pay, for example. It also requires | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
us to say, yes we do believe the Government is going too far and too | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
fast with their cuts, but we're not going to make specific promises to | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
reverse those cuts, unless we are absolutely sure that we know where | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
the money is coming from. unions say they accept that Labour | :03:55. | :04:01. | |
has to keep its options open. That it can't give a blanket promise to | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
reverse all of the coalition's cuts. But what's particularly angered | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
them right now is the language that Ed Balls turned to at the weekend. | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
He said he's afraid we will have to keep all of these cuts. Not, I will | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
see if the money turns up and see if we can do something to reverse | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
some of them, if we get back into power, no, we have to keep all of | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
the cuts. Ed Milliband needs to go back to the drawing board to re- | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
think through a coherent deficit reduction plan, which he should | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
have, but one that has some real meat in it. Not these vague | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
statements. Public sector workers, and especially low-paid public | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
sector workers, need to keep their spending power, as part of the | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
recovery of our economy. It is the only way for this country into the | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
future. The anger does appear to be widespread. As well as Len | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
McCluskey from Unite, Paul Kenny, the leader of the GMB, has written | :04:56. | :05:06. | |
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The hint is clear, no affiliation would mean no subs to the Labour | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
Party, this matters, of course, because of how dependant Labour is | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
on union funding. In the past four quarters that we have figures for, | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
Labour raised �21.5 million in donations, �19.8 million, or 92% of | :05:27. | :05:35. | |
that, came from the unions. The GMB gave �1.8 million, and Unite, �4.2 | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
million. Huge sums of money that Labour won't want to lose. Among | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
the unions, there is a particular sense of betrayal at Ed Balls, the | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
Shadow Chancellor. Whilst he was pitching for their and other Labour | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
votes in the leadership contest, he said very clearly that he thought | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
even Alistair Darling's deficit reduction plan was too fast. | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
argued in 200 within Government, to both Gordon Brown and Alistair | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
Darling, that whatever the media clamour at the time, even trying to | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
cut the deficit in half in four years was very difficult indeed, a | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
mistake, it was too severe to be credible or sustainable. Now, his | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
critics accuse him of taking a completely contradictory position, | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
signing up to the coalition's plans. Meanwhile, some Labour supporters | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
think it is completely pointless to have this discussion at all. | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
think it is a strategic disaster, the problem is, most of the public | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
is not going to pay much attention to what is basically a very narrow | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
positioning for mostly the Westminster media, who are obsessed | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
with what should be the deficit reduction Plan B. Most people in | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
the country are worried about jobs, they are worried about standard of | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
living and other issues. I think the Labour Party has to focus on | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
them and address their concerns, and right now, what we are doing is | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
basically still focusing on having a technocratic, macro-economic | :06:54. | :07:01. | |
discussion. The Fed sets rates low, are you | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
starting to get it. The ideolgical debate continues, it may not be a | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
philosophical switch that Labour has signalled, but the unions are | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
promising a fight. The question is, will voters even notice Labour's | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
new position. If they notice l they understand it, if they understand | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
it, will they approve? Earlier tonight I met the Shadow | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
Chancellor, Ed Balls, at his office in Westminster. | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
How concerned are you about the anger amongst some trade unions as | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
to what you were doing in effectively joining the Government | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
in agreeing to cap public sector pay? I'm concerned at the rising | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
unemployment, a flatlining economy, the inheritance that Labour will | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
face in three years time, which is very difficult, and the need for us | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
to face up to difficult choices. We can't now make commitments on | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
spending or tax rises to reverse what the Conservatives are doing. | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
But nor can we say, with any credibility, in the next two years, | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
we think, that higher pay, for public sector workers, should come | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
before jobs. We can't make that argument. I'm afraid, George | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
Osborne, I think, contended not to continue with his pay freeze, his | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
policy has failed. I'm afraid there is now no choice if we are going to | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
keep unemployment down in the future, to say, jobs will have to | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
come before pay. As you well know, you will lose friends over this, | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
lose supporters, you will lose people who back your party to the | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
tune of 80% of what your party needs to just survive. Because | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
that's where the unions come in. Why should trade unions agree to do | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
that, pay you, while you are doing what the Government are doing to | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
them for free? We're the opposition. The Government, a Conservative-led | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
Government, is making terrible mistakes on the economy, they are | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
cutting too far and too fast. Unemployment is rising, it is | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
having a very difficult impact upon people working in the private and | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
the public sector. You are agreeing with their policy, broadly. Labour | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
cannot, from opposition, change that, until we are in Government. | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
To be in Government we have to set out an alternative, it has to be a | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
credible alternative. If we come along and say, we could be popular | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
with the trade unions today, by saying we will spend more, tax less, | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
pay people more. If people say that doesn't add up, that doesn't make | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
us credible, it makes us less credible. What we have to do is say | :09:25. | :09:31. | |
there is a better way, a fairer way, to get the deficit down, to get the | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
economy moving, to get growth and jobs back. A five-point plan for | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
jobs and growth, tough decisions on pay, but also done in fair way. | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
Just on the specific point, do you take seriously the threat from the | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
GMB to disaffiliate from the Labour Party? I don't want the GMB or | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
Unite to disaffiliate from the Labour Party. You take it | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
seriously? I want people to be working together for stronger and | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
fairer futures for our country. We can't make our policy on the basis | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
of that. We have to make our policy on what will be the best way | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
forwardor the country, and what could show Labour in a credible way, | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
can make difficult decisions, when we will be faced with clearing up a | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
very difficult Tory economic mess, that we can see at the moment. | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
you understand why there is personal anger at you, for many | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
people, particularly in the trade union movement, not confined to | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
that, you were the golden boy for the case for Keynesianism, you were | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
the one that said these cuts were wrong and will choke off growth. | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
You were the one that said even Alistair Darling's cuts might be | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
too far, too fast. Now you are saying your starting point is to | :10:39. | :10:46. | |
keep all the cuts. That is a big u- turn? No, I am saying today, as I | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
said a year ago and two years ago, the deficit must come down, there | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
have to be hard choices on tax and spend, but if you go too far and | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
too fast, as I warned consistently over the last year-and-a-half, the | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
danger was it wouldn't work, the economy would flatline, | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
unemployment would go up. In the Autumn Statement, George Osborne | :11:05. | :11:12. | |
had to admit, not only all that, that he's borrowing �158 billion | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
more. The problem is I can't wave a magic wand and blow away that | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
inheritance. Our task, as Labour, will be to clear up George | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
Osborne's economic mess. You also said in a speech to Bloomberg in | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
August 2010, when you were running for the leadership of the party, | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
adopting the consensus view might be the easy and safe thing to do, | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
but it doesn't make you right. Now you are adopting the consensus view, | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
the view held among the Liberal Democrats, and the Conservatives, | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
effective low, that there is no alternative to these cuts -- | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
effectively, that there is no alternative to these cuts? That is | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
100%, emphatically wrong. I think George Osborne should change course | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
now. His cuts are too far and too fast. He is crushing growth. The | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
reason our interest rates are so low is because's getting it wrong. | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
Unemployment is going up. He should have now, as we have advocated, a | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
temporary cut in VAT, boost public investment, repeat the bank bonus | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
tax. Why is it the unions don't get it distinction, Len McCluskey | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
saying today, the real points of differenciation between Labour and | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
the Government on the economy are very hard to identify, he's saying. | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
You have even sophisticated union leaders who don't understand what | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
you are doing? I have read that article, and on that, Len McCluskey | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
is plain wrong. I argued for action now, to boost growth and jobs. I | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
argued for long-term reform, to make sure economy stronger and | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
fairer. On the one hand you are saying, I'm against these cuts in | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
general, they are wrong, but in specifics you can't tell us any one | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
you would reverse, that is complicated message to get across | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
to people? Abolishing the Future Jobs Fund and the EMA, looked as if | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
it would save money, but it has contributed to rising youth | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
unemployment, costing the country more in benefits. You would reverse | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
that? That is why we are saying, have the bank bonus tax now, the �2 | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
billion, and use it for youth jobs. I can't make a commitment now, I | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
will not know how much money there is, and less in three years time. | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
If you pursue that, you will have to say we will see how things turn | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
out in three years time, why should we listen to you in the next three | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
years? Because George Osborne is doggedly sticking with a plan that | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
is failing. He should have changed course six months ago, he still can | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
today. He still can in the run up to the budget. I will say to him, | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
day by day, week by week, the approach he's taking, too far and | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
too fast, is unfair and not working. The longer he persists, the bigger | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
the pain, the bigger the damage, and the greater the damage in | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
inheritance we will face, because of his mistakes, that is the | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
position. Let's look at one specific issue coming up today, the | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
question of disability living allowance. The Government says by | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
getting rid of this they will save some 20%, they hope. You can't say | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
to us tonight, that you would reverse that in three years time? | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
If I said that to you today, you would say, rightly, how do you know | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
what you will be able to afford in three years time. You are opposing | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
it today, and getting MPs and peers to oppose it, isn't that a very | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
difficult message. That is my point, you are saying we oppose it, but we | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
can't say we will reverse it? Another example, the VAT rise last | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
year to 20%, was an unfair tax rise, which choked off the recovery, and | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
flat lined the economy, it will probably lead to more borrowing in | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
the economy, it was the wrong thing to do. They shouldn't have done it, | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
we are calling for a temporary VAT cut now. Can I say to you and to | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
viewers, I promised -- promised as Shadow Chancellor in three years | :14:43. | :14:50. | |
time I will definitely reverse that. I can't promise anything until I | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
know the state of the economy. Byrne says, the basic line and gut | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
issue for most supporters f you can't help the disabled, the poor | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
and most deserving people in this country, many Labour Party | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
supporters will say what's the point. You can't commit to that? | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
three years time, absolutely not. As a Shadow Chancellor, I have to | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
know that our manifesto is being properly costed, in the context of | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
the times, and can be paid for. I think what they are doing on | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
disability living allowance is a big mistake and unfair. The | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
benefits cap will lead to more homelessness, the way it is | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
designed. The abolition of the Future Jobs Fund, will make youth | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
unemployment higher, taking tax credits away from families on | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
�25,000, hitting women harder, is unfair, wrong and damaging. The | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
question you are asking me, is can I to your viewers make promises | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
about three years time. Nick Clegg made promises, the promise not to | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
raise VAT, he broke his promises straight after the election. I | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
won't make that mistake, that is wrong and not the right way to do | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
politics. I won't make that mistake. Thank you very much. | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
Newsnight has uncovered new evidence tonight, relating to the | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
sailing patterns of the striken Italian cruiseship, Costa Crociere, | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
it ran into rocks off the coast of Tuscany. What have we found out | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
tonight? There seems to be a bit of a mismatch between some of the | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
statements made by the company that owns the Costa Crociere, on the | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
routes taken by the ship over the last few months. It is best | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
illustrated by a map. This is a map showing the incident and the route | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
taken last Friday by the Costa Crociere on the red line. You can | :16:29. | :16:36. | |
see in the circle where it hit the rocks, it cruised on for a few | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
hundred metres, it doubled back to a bay where it could get passengers | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
closer to land. Look at the route taken last August by the exact same | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
ship, it went very, very close to the incident from last Friday, very | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
close indeet. If you go to the top of the map, you will see it went | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
close to land before sailing off. 230ms according to the public data. | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
That is crucial, the company said in a statement yesterday, that | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
their ships don't travel any closer than 500ms to the shore. We know | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
this because the technology tracks these ships exactly to where they | :17:10. | :17:18. | |
go. Lloyd's look very carefully into it, I spoke to the editor, | :17:18. | :17:25. | |
Richard Meade. We have discovered that the company saying that the | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
captain taking a rogue master and individual position, this is not | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
true, the ship took this position a year earlier, and the master would | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
have known that, that this was a safe route and the ship had done | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
this before. This evidence does stack that up. Very interesting. | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
What are the company saying about this? We were only able to reach | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
them an hour-and-a-half ago. They say they are looking into it, and | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
verifying this. Crucially they are standing over the statements made | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
by the chief executive, Foschi, yesterday. What happens to the | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
captain in charge on Friday, was also the captain last August, we | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
don't have that, that is the known unknown. We learned some more about | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
the aftermath of the disaster as well? There is an extraordinary | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
audio tape out there now, a conversation between the coastguard | :18:11. | :18:18. | |
and this captain, Schettino, when he appears, the coastguard appears | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
to be ordering, Francesco Schettino, to get back on the ship to ensure | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
all passengers are off the ship. We have audio from that. Are you | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
refusing to get back on board the ship, tell me why you are not | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
getting on board. I'm not going, because there is the other lifeboat | :18:33. | :18:41. | |
that has stopped. Get on board, that is an order. It seems to be a | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
pretty angry exchange between the coastguard and the captain. | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
captain was arrested over the weekend. He was brought before a | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
judge today. Now he's facing manslaughter charges. So far there | :18:51. | :18:58. | |
is an investigation under way, 11 confirmed dead so far. | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
Syria, today was the last day that Arab League monitors were to | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
continue their investigations of alleged human rights abuses, before | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
writing their report. Newsnight's reporter travelled with the Arab | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
League team inside Syria, and found they were mobbed by protestors, | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
desperate to show the world, what they believe is incontravertable | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
proof of the violence unleashed by the Assad Government, against | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
civilians. Pursued by reporters, they are | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
racing off for a last spot inspection. One of the Arab | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
monitoring teams checking Syria's compliance with a deal to end the | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
violence here. Today they are visiting a place near Damascus, an | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
opposition stronghold, ringed by soldiers. They are barely out of | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
their cars before they are accosted by a grieving mother. TRANSLATION: | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
In the name of God, let me kiss your hand, my son has been arrested, | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
his name is Mohammed, Assad's gangs killed my other son, right in front | :19:57. | :20:05. | |
of my eyes. Already emboldened by the monitors' | :20:05. | :20:15. | |
arrival, demonstrators are gathering. Their slogan" the people | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
demand the hanging of the President". | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
The observers' presence in Syria hasn't achieved much, more than 400 | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
people have been killed in the uprising since the mission started | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
last month. But it is the only independent force these people have | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
access to. Everyone knows the Arab League is the international body | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
with the best chance of influencing the Syrian Government. That's why | :20:41. | :20:49. | |
people are so desperate to have their voice heard today. | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
Down this street, they say, Government snipers have been firing | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
on protestors. Soldiers are positioned on a roof top, even | :20:56. | :21:03. | |
today. Here, apparently, is the evidence of their work. | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
TRANSLATION: They shot him from the roof of the building, military | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
officers live there. My friend, Mohammed, he was about to finish | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
school. He was walking in the street when they shot him. This | :21:16. | :21:21. | |
woman says she has recorded another crime, a 13-year-old boy, shot dead | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
in front of her. TRANSLATION: was an only child, he went out of | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
the mosque, the sniper shot him in the eye. Bashar al-Assad, may the | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
same thing happen to your children. I filmed this myself, house wives | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
like me have become journalists. And suddenly the monitors, supposed | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
to be neutral, have become the heros of this crowd. Everyone wants | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
to believe they can help. But they won't say whether they | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
will or not. TRANSLATION: No we're not allowed to speak to the media. | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
I can't give you my impressions. Some don't trust them. TRANSLATION: | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
Are you working with the regime? They tell us you are with the | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
regime, lime like your son, tell us the truth. This young man won't | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
dare show his face. Now I am sure when you go out from here, they | :22:18. | :22:25. | |
will come to here to banish us and kill us. Can the Arab League help? | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
They do everything for Libya, they do everything for Tunisia, for | :22:30. | :22:37. | |
Egypt, and now for Yemen, but for Syria, no. Why? | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
This is a tiny bubble of free speech that has been created around | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
the monitors, with but everyone is afraid what will happen after they | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
have left. Even the monitors themselves are warning people that | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
they will have to disperse pretty fast. The monitors have gone, he | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
says, now they will kill us. They will kill me. At the end of | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
the street soldiers wait. They have got a different story to tell the | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
monitors about the protest we have just seen. Tran These young men who | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
come out on the streets -- TRANSLATION: These young men who | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
come out on the streets, they don't know what they want, they are being | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
incited by armed gangs. These holes we have seen in shutters, in walls, | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
these are holes from bullets from Government snipers? TRANSLATION: | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
The Government never shot anyone in the street. It was armed gangs that | :23:32. | :23:38. | |
did it. The army is here to protect the citizens. Then, the monitors | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
were gone. And so were the protestors. | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
Tension returned to the streets. Now Syrians wait to hear what the | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
monitors will say in their report later this week, and what further | :23:49. | :23:55. | |
action, if any, the Arab League will take against President Assad's | :23:55. | :24:01. | |
regime. What is certain is for now, the people here are again alone, | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
against the power of their state. We're all in this together, has | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
become one of the cliches of the age of austerity, but by all of us, | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
the Government means people with disabilities. Earlier tonight the | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
Government won a vote in the House of Lords, on a bill that would | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
scrap disability allowance, and replace it with a new scheme, aimed | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
at cutting spending in this area by 20%. The Government victory by the | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
slender margin of 16 votes was a relief for the coalition. But the | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
row over what campaigners see as penalising some of the most | :24:34. | :24:44. | |
:24:44. | :24:45. | ||
deserving in our society, is far from over. | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
DLA is my independence, every day going out, shopping, going to | :24:50. | :25:00. | |
:25:00. | :25:04. | ||
socialise, visit people. To live and work independently, Analise | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
needs help. Her disability living allowance means she can pay for | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
transport to go to the office, do the shopping and see her family. | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
the allowance was cut, I wouldn't be able to do the things. I would | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
have to rely on friends and family to pick me up and take me places | :25:19. | :25:25. | |
and help me. I love my independence. I want to be independent. Changes | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
to disability living allowance are part of deep reforms to the welfare | :25:30. | :25:37. | |
state. Aiming to cut �18 billion of spending. More than �2 billion of | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
that will come from replacing DLA with a new personal independence | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
payment. It will affect two million claimants of working age. That is | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
16-64. The Government has announced the change, but given very little | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
detail, not least how much the new benefit will actually be worth. And | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
the uncertainty is adding to the resistance. Everybody receiving | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
disability living allowance, is worried that they are going to be | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
affected. The number of working age people claiming DLA, has risen from | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
1.65 million in 2002, to two million in 2010, and is projected | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
to reach 2.2 million, by 2015. But the Government says the change to | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
the new scheme will slash that number to 1.7 million. Taking | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
500,000 people off the benefit. Reformers say the change is overdue. | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
At the moment people can actually get the benefit just by filling in | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
forms. There isn't a medical assessment to tell whether they are | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
telling the truth. The Government takes it on trust you are telling | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
the truth. In fact, there is a cottage industry of firms, who, for | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
a fee, will show you how to fill the forms in and get the been fits. | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
The number of people claiming DLA has trebled since it was introduced, | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
the Government is spending �12 billion a year on that. All the | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
payments, very important for people with really severe disabilities | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
will continue, but there will be a medical assessment, to make sure | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
those getting it really need to get it. But the assessments are | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
controversial and led to the latest confrontation between peers and the | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
Government over welfare reform. Tonight Baroness Grey-Thompson, the | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
paralympian, narrowly lost a vote to delay the new benefits | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
introduction. I have had nearly 600 e-mails from different disabled | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
people, saying they are terrified of the changes going to happen. It | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
is really important that the assessment process will properly | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
record, if losing DLA has a negative impact. Disability groups, | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
like the Papworth Trust, where Analise works on reception, five | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
mornings a week, accept the case for reform. Currently no allowance | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
is made for the fact that people's levels of dependency can change. | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
But they are highly suspicious about the fact the Government has | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
determined how much it will save before a single person has been | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
assessed. It feels, to a lot of the disabled people commenting to us, | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
that their concern is they are trying to create an assessment that | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
achieves a reduction in finances, rather than trying to create an | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
assessment which fairly evaluates what people need, and then takes | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
the cut at whatever that level might be. Analise and her partner, | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
Keith, manage their lives with help from the DLA and regular visits | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
from their carer. The Government says all those who need the new | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
benefit will get it. For Analise this is a time of insecurity over | :28:34. | :28:43. | |
:28:44. | :28:44. | ||
the things she values so highly. Her ability to live independently. | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
Listening to that report with me were Tani Grey-Thompson, the | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
Paralympic athlete campaigning against Government plans in the | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
Lords, and Harriett Baldwin, on the Work and Pensions select committee. | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
Can I begin with the point that was made there, this is being done to | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
save money, laudible, but because you have said it will be 20% | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
savings, perhaps 500,000 people won't get it. It sounds as if you | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
have made the decision and trying to fit everything else into the | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
money-saving needs of this country? I'm glad that we are having this | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
discussion, because I'm on the select committee that scrutinises | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
the DLA transfer at the moment. We are taking evidence from people on | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
this particular issue at the moment. I just really want to reassure | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
Analise and people like her all over my constituency and other | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
constituencies, that this personal independent payment that is coming | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
in, the change is, effectively, that there will now be a face-to- | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
face assessment. Secondly, that the benefit will be assessed on a | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
regular basis. I think one of the things that is characteristic about | :29:48. | :29:54. | |
the current DLA, is 70% of the awards are on a permanent basis, | :29:54. | :30:00. | |
and never reassessed. Of course people's conditions can fluctuate | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
over time. It is estimated �630 million is currently paid to people | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
who no longer need it. You accept presumably the overall case for | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
saving money where we can, and people shouldn't get benefits when | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
they don't need it. What are you worried about? There is no doubt | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
that DLA did need reform, nobody is arguing against that. There is a | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
massive fear amongst disabled people about who will get cut. | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
Especially when things like 20% are bandied around. It is 20% of | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
numbers, 20% in funding. The figures released yesterday, that up | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
to half a million disabled people could be affected is just | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
terrifying, DLA is used as a benefit, it is not an out of work | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
benefit, it is available for everyone. It is used to paper over | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
the cracks, NHS support, or local social service support, people use | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
it to help make their homes accessible and buy the right | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
seating and equipment. It helps people get to work, it is a very | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
important benefit. My fear is f those people get cuts, disabled | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
people will find it hard to stay in work. Without a deep assessment | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
process, we could be pushing a very large group of disabled people into | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
an I can't remember where they have much more severe needs and more | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
cost. Is this 500,000 a target, where did you get that number from, | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
that worries people, people looking at it saying it is possibly me? | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
That is terribly important. The points that were made there, are | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
really an important thing. This is a very valuable benefit to people, | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
which is paid whether you are in work or out of work. A large | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
percentage of people who receive it actually don't even realise that, | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
it is a benefit that is paid to help people with the additional | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
costs of either care or mobility. In terms of when you say our target | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
is to save 20%, it could be 500,000 people who come off it. When the | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
Government says that, doesn't that give you, as somebody scrutinising | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
this, pause for thought, that is the important thing for the | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
Government, and perhaps that is the wrong way to go about it. You | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
should go about reform, face-to- face interviews should take place, | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
and you should take some time, and then figure out how much you are | :32:06. | :32:13. | |
going to save? The amount paid out is �12.6 billion, the amount her | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
projecting to pay out by 2015 -- they are projecting to pay out by | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
2015 is broadly what it is in 2009/2010. There has been quite a | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
large increase in the number of people receiving this benefit. That | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
is logical f you assume that no-one who has been receiving it for a | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
long time has been reassessed. There may be people whose | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
conditions have improved, but without that reassessment. I do | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
agree with you, it is not helpful to be having this against the | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
particular backdrop of budget pressures. This is a reform that | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
would have to happen, irrespective of what kind of conditions the | :32:50. | :32:57. | |
economy was in. Are there any things that could be done which | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
would retain the principle, you said it has been there for 20 years, | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
it needs reviewing perhaps. That could keep the principle of review, | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
but make people a lot happier about face-to-face interviews, which | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
presumably are quite an ordeal if people think what would be | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
involved? They can be a huge ordeal, especially people who have | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
fluctuating conditions on daily basis, or people whose conditions | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
aren't going to change. A long time was spent discussing at committee | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
and report, is trying to make decisions about who should have | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
face-to-face interviews, what should be able to use medical | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
evidence to support it. It is making sure we get the right | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
process. I think there is a lot of fear amongst disabled people. | :33:37. | :33:46. | |
People who have been through transition from IBE to ISA feel | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
quite distrustful of the process, ESA has a high turnover appeal, a | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
very high appeal rate, people want to feel a little bit more | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
comfortable that the consultation is being carried out, that disabled | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
people are involved. One of the things that Lord Freud said tonight, | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
is they wouldn't be using the social model of disability to | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
decide this, lots of disabled people feel they will be locked | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
away and ghettoised without a way of getting into society. Is there | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
any way you can see of keeping it, trying it out in certain areas to | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
see if it works, anything that would ease people's fears without | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
conceding the principle? I think the current application form, which | :34:27. | :34:34. | |
is 60 plus pages, isn't it, is also not exactly a really easy way to | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
apply for this benefit. I think face-to-face could be something | :34:39. | :34:44. | |
that really reassures people over time. But I do accept that when the | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
work capability assessments were brought in, under the previous | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
Government, for people on Incapacity Benefit, that process, | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
when it first started, didn't work very well. There were a lot of | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
appeals. Hence the suspicion that has been talked about? That is the | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
backdrop and frame of reference that people potentially are going | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
through this new change and are viewing this with. There is no | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
question that the Government has brought in Professor Harrington to | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
make improvements to the work capability assessment. He's on his | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
second review now our select committee reported on ways that | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
process could be improved. Briefly, do you think there is some way that | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
the opposition can go now, that you can still push this? We still keep | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
pushing it. I think what was very useful about today was that Lord | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
Freud came a lot further forward in terms of what he's proposing. One | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
area of concern I have is the assessors will still only have a | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
broad education in disability, we need to make sure they have the | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
right education to assess people properly as a disabled person we | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
will keep fighting and try to protect those half a million | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
disabled people. If you are planning to research | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
something on Wikipedia tomorrow, you might be better to do so after | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
you have heard our next item and before you go to bed. Tomorrow | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
Wikipedia will be on strike for reasons, its co-founder, Jimmy | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
Wales, will explain in a moment. It is to do with proposed new laws in | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
the United States to clampdown on internet piracy, which opponents | :36:13. | :36:20. | |
say, threatens freedom of speech. January 1th, the birthday of Cary | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
Grant, the anniversary of the founding of Bentley motors, field | :36:23. | :36:31. | |
hockey was born, and James Cook discovered Hawaii. From 5.00am | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
tomorrow, a self-imposed blackout on the site will happen for 24 | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
hours N the words of the co-founder, Jimmy Wales "do your homework | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
earlier". The blackout is in opposition to the Stop Online | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
Piracy Act, and Protect IP Act, both bills want to tackle on-line | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
piracy by preventing American search engines from directing users | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
to sites with stolen content. The bills would allow individuals or | :37:01. | :37:07. | |
companies to sue if their copyright is infringed. One of the main | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
backers of the legislation has been Hollywood. With recent convert, | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
Rupert Murdoch, tweeting about what he calls the piracy leader, Google, | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
over the issue. Similar web blackouts will be planned by other | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
sites. With 20 million planned visitors, he hopes the action by | :37:25. | :37:30. | |
Wikipedia will melt phone systems in Washington. The approaching | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
darkness hasn't been embraced throughout the Internet. Twitter's | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
chief executive said closing the Internet on a single issue was | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
ludicrous. It could be shelved after the White House said it could | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
not support law that is would reduce freedom of expression and | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
undermine the Internet. President Obama could use his presidential | :37:47. | :37:56. | |
veto.? I'm joined by the co-founder of Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales, and | :37:56. | :38:03. | |
Shaun McAleer from the Picture a-- and my other guest. Explain why you | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
are so opposed to the moves by Congress. Internet piracy is piracy, | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
it is still left, isn't it? Yes, absolutely. You know, for us, we | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
are quite strong defenders of copyright, within our community, we | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
have very rigorous policies inside our community. It is not so much | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
about that. For us it is that these bills are very badly written, and | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
don't really address the problem in the right way. I think a useful | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
analogy might be, if you hear that there is this great invention | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
called the automobile, and two years later you find out the | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
automobile is being used by bank robbers, the answer is not to | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
regulate and ban automobiles, the answer is to deal with that problem | :38:43. | :38:51. | |
directly. In search engines were directing | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
people to website where is they could buy crack, people would think | :38:55. | :39:03. | |
it is awful, your automobile analogy is wrong, there is some | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
responsibility for the search engines? We have a good set of | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
rules in the United States about you know, the takedown provisions, | :39:11. | :39:17. | |
the digital and copyright act has been in place and is working well. | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
We don't need toen gauge in the things these bills contemplate, | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
things like constructing DNS blacklists, so people can't access | :39:26. | :39:33. | |
sites. It is about how sloppy the legislation is, than the goals. | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
Michael O'Leary, sloppy legislation in Washington, I'm shocked, do you | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
think the main point, that he's against theft and believes people | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
have intellectual property rights, but you can't have sloppy bills | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
that interfere with our freedom to research things on the internet | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
freely? I would disagree with the characterisation that the bill does | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
any of the things mentioned in the set up piece or my friend from | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
Wikipedia. The simple fact of the matter is this bill doesn't shut | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
down websites or make them illegal. It is simply focused on websites | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
that are engaged in criminal activity, stealing the product of | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
American workers and profiting from it. If you are a legitimate site | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
like wick peedia, there is nothing to be concerned about. The second | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
point I would make, if they share the goal of deal be with piracy, | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
the best approach, is to come forward and offer solutions. I | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
think shutting down a legitimate business for one day, while it | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
draws a lot of press attention, it is a cute gimmick. It doesn't solve | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
the underlying problem. One of the things the White House said this | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
weekend in their statement, they would like to see interested people | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
to come forward and craft reasonable solutions. So we're | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
happy to meet him half way on the argument that he is against piracy, | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
but we're not 100% clear how shutting down a website for a day | :40:48. | :40:55. | |
to draw attention to that really advances that cause in any way. | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
1234 Make a suggestion how this could be redrafted in language we | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
understand, that would make it better for you and everybody? | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
absolutely strongly support the concept that we should come | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
together in a peaceful, thoughtful way, to craft legislation that | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
actually carves out the real problems here, and avoids burdening | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
everybody else. For me one of the biggest issues here is the question | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
of follow the money. If we can look into who are these major criminal | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
pirates, how are they profiting and so forth, go after the money, don't | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
go after freedom of speech, don't force us to stop telling people | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
where the sites are and that kind of things. Go after the money? | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
think that is a half measure, frankly, I think you yourself said | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
it in your set up, when you were saying don't the search engines | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
bear some responsibility for making the Internet safe and legitimate | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
for everyone. What this is really about, frankly, is excluding the | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
search engines and putting all of the onus on other parts of the | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
ecosystem. The simple fact of the matter is everyone who plays a role | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
in the Internet has a responsibility in making it safe | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
and leg depit mit, there are search engines that -- legitimate, there | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
are search engines that play a role in that. We haven't seen their | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
willingness to do that. That is unfortunate, what is lost mind the | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
gimmicks and blackouts is there are tens of millions of American | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
workers harmed by piracy, they deserve the attention and response | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
they are not get anything that debate. That may be correct, but | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
search engines are search engines, they are not web policemen, they | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
couldn't do it? That is absolutely inaccurate, the search engines have | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
a much greater understanding of what they are doing out there. | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
Google, for example, their entire model is predicated on where you | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
come up in the search results. They have ad programmes predicated on | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
that. The notion it is simply a search request going in and there | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
is no way of knowing it, it is not accurate. If they are told by a | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
court order a neutral federal court in the ufpl states, that they | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
should not be taking con-- in the United States, that they should not | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
take consumers to a site because it is engaged in piracy, they can do | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
that. In the US this is where we get into serious first amendment | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
issues. What you are saying, is if Google knows where criminal | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
activity is going on, they are not allowed to tell people. In the US | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
that doesn't fly. Thank you very much. A quick look at the front | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
pages. The Times says a revolt over Labour | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
raid on its local party activists, they are forced to give up | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
they are forced to give up ownership. | :43:33. | :43:40. | |
They have fashionable picture there of Ian Hislop, appearing at the | :43:40. | :43:50. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 66 seconds | :43:50. | :44:57. | |
That's all from Newsnight, from all Good evening t may be frosty at the | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
moment over parts of England and Wales. Temperatures rising through | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
the night. A mild start to the morning, a damp and murky start as | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
well. Mist, fog and a lot of rain too. Brightening up through | :45:08. | :45:10. | |
Scotland and Northern Ireland, through northern England through | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
the second half of the day, temperatures dropping away through | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
the afternoon after highs of 10 in the morning. Into southern England | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
is itth stays cloudy and damp through much of the day. Drizzle | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
light and patchy, dismal day, breezy as well. Temperatures here | :45:27. | :45:34. | |
probably around 11-12 at best. Misty and murky across the south. | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
The north coast brightening up briefly, before the afternoon is | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
completely through. Northern Ireland, temperatures here will | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
have dropped through the day. But we will see the return of sunshine | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
after a cloudy, damp start. A few showers across the northern and | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
western areas. They could turn increasingly wintry on the tops of | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
the mountains. Milder and colder, and cold and breezy day on Thursday | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
across many parts of northern UK. There will be sunshine here. Not as | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
much sunshine further south. More than we will see on Wednesday, but | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
Thursday will start cloudy and damp across many southern areas, the | :46:09. | :46:13. |