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A year or so ago, now it is back to the drawing board, the Government | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
decides how and when to reform the child benefits system. | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
Don't call the midwife, call the accountant or pollster, next year | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
benefit won't be given to parents who pay the higher rate of tax. Can | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
the Government unpick the plan without looking ridiculous? | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
Call this an election? In Russia we go in search of | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
electoral fraud. We have just come to a street where | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
we have been told a bus will be waiting to take local health | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
workers to vote for Putin. They have apparently been told that if | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
they don't get on the bus, they will risk losing their jobs. | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
The former Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, thinks President Putin is | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
an autocrat, but are we stuck with him. | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
Would America really help Israel attack Iran. For them you are the | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
great Satan, we are the little Satan, for them we are you, and you | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
are us. We will explain why Obama wants | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
Israel to pipe down a bit. The writer, China Mieville, takes a | :01:17. | :01:24. | |
very unmagical mystery tour through the Olympic legacy I think we are | :01:24. | :01:34. | |
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facing economic difficulties Surely it can't have caught them by | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
surprise, given it was announced years ago, and yet it has clearly | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
done so. Someone has blundered, what seemed a straight forward | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
reform to the system of child benefit, and indeed is a terribly | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
simple change, has got the Government running about like | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
children, when a fight kicks off in the playground. Horror confronts | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
resolutions, self-interest faces public interest. Before we talk | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
about how the Government invented this problem for themselves, we | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
report. What could you buy for �20.30 a | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
week, that is child benefit for one child. Well, you could get 120 fish | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
fingers, or 40 tins of premium brand baked beans, or 112 nappies, | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
or, given the Government doesn't care or ask what you spend it on, | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
all this curry! When the new Government came in, | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
they decided that what with the state of the public finances and | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
all, treating a lot of comparatively well off people to | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
the cost of a curry every week, wasn't, perhaps, the best use of | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
limited resources, plus, when the Chancellor announced this policy in | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
the autumn of 2010, he was trying to send a political message as well. | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
The coalition wasn't afraid to take money from the better off. | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
This was supposed to make the slogan, "we're all in this | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
together", ring true. It is very difficult to justify taxing people | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
on low incomes to pay for the child benefit of those earning so much | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
more than them. These days we have really got to focus the resources | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
on where they are most needed. We have got to be tough, but fair. And | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
that's why we will withdraw child benefit from households with a | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
higher rate taxpayer. The conference didn't exactly cheer | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
the announcement at the time, now more and more Conservatives are | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
worried, not so much the principle but the practicalities. It was | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
something done very quickly before our 2010 conference, when people | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
have looked at it, and we have had the Treasury and IFS in more detail, | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
we see it doesn't really make sense, and there is a lot of unintended | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
consequences. It is better not to do it and raise the money in a | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
better way. There are two main problems with | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
the way the Government has decided to withdraw child benefit from | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
higher rate tax-payers. The first is the cliff-edge, imagine a parent | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
of three earning �42,470, just under the higher rate threshold. | :04:04. | :04:11. | |
They get �2,669 in child benefit every year. Imagine they get a tiny | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
pay rise, just �1, that takes them over the threshold and all the | :04:16. | :04:22. | |
child benefit goes. The next is a related problem of perceived | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
unfairness, a two-person household earning under the threshold, can | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
bring in �84,950 between them and still get child benefit. While a | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
single earner on slightly more than half that, loses all of their's. | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
The Government is looking at ways of softening the blow. When you | :04:41. | :04:48. | |
create the cut-offs you create anomolies, one earner doesn't get | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
child benefits, another family with two earners earning slightly less | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
will get it. That is what we have said we are prepared to look at. | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
The Prime Minister was visiting a Tesco store today to adapt their | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
slogan to this issue, the slogan may be "every little cut hurts", | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
but this cut is hardly little. The solutions are either expensive, | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
complex, or expensive and complex, that is the problem for the | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
Government. They would have to devise a new means test based on | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
joint income, or abolish child benefit, and move the whole thing | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
into tax credits and do the means testing that way, as we do at the | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
moment. The big problem, that is also a problem with the current | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
policy, is they don't know who is partnered to who. Meaning it it is | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
sometimes difficult to identify who you should be taking the child | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
benefit back from. Are you the run over 10 peace process Prime | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
Minister? The nightmare for the current Government is the mess the | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
last Government got into when it abolished the 10p tax rate, it had | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
to spend an extra �2.7 billion sorting out the problems. | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
Politically some believe keeping the child benefit policy could be | :05:57. | :06:04. | |
far more expensive. The guys on the cusp of a 40% tax barrier should be | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
core Tory voters, the striveers, who are not particularly rich, they | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
are managing more or less to balance out the family life, it is | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
not a tremendous amount of money if you have two or three kids and a | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
mortgage to pay off. These are the people who should be natural | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
Conservatives. It would be rather odd if David Cameron were to punish | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
them, you have to answer the question, who are your people? If | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
you are a party loader, who are you trying to appeal to, I would | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
imagine those in that catagory would be a Tory target zone. If | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
they feel the pain, before anyone else, it could cost David Cameron a | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
lot of votes. The Treasury today was pretty hardline, insisting | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
higher rate tax-payers will lose their child benefit, that is | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
whatever they spend it on. Number Ten was sounding a bit more | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
conciliatory, saying they will look at how the changes are implemented. | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
The expectation then, that some sort of solution will be there in | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
time for the budget. With us now are Alison Garnham, | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
chief executive of the Child Poverty Action Group, and Peter | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
Lilley, the Conservative MP and former Social Security Secretary. | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
Child Poverty Action Group, this is nothing to do with poverty is it? | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
It has a lot to do with poverty. People on the higher rate of income | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
tax? Child benefit is the only place in the tax system where the | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
cost of children is recognised, those apply to everybody. Low | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
income families are suffering because child benefit is frozen. | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
That is another issue? Yep. We are talking here specifically about | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
cutting certain people out of it. Yes. How is it anything to do with | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
poverty when it only effects higher rate income tax-payers? It has | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
everything to do with poverty, child benefit is the clichest | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
incentive to work in the benefits system. Mean the cleverest means | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
testing system you come up with it doesn't do it as well as child | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
benefit. By removing the higher earners, it says you will tax | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
people more because they have children. That is not fair. If the | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
argument is better off people can pay more, do that through | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
progressive taxation. You are penalising people for having | :08:15. | :08:23. | |
children? If you take this away from them? Alison is right, in a | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
sense, child benefit is a logical place in the system that replaced | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
Child Tax Credits. I couldn't find way of doing it when I was in | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
Treasury that didn't have cliff- edges and apparent injustices so I | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
didn't do it. I didn't do it because I didn't face a �100 | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
billion plus deficit, now we do. We have to take tough decisions that | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
lead to rough justice, or even rough injustice. It would be very | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
odd not to do anything affected benefits going to the middle and | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
upper range income taxpayers, when, all the other cuts fall on those in | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
the lower half of the spectrum. you arguing there should be no cuts | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
at all, regardless of the mess we are in checkically? I'm not saying | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
-- economically? I'm not saying no cuts in the system. I'm arguing it | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
makes more sense to use progressive taxation to money off better-off | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
families, rather than just off families with children. Don't you | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
think there is something stupid paying a benefit to people that are | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
sufficiently wealthy they pay higher rates of tax? It was a | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
benefit created out of tax allowances, that go back to 1798, | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
and family allowance, the reason it was turned into a benefit is | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
because tax allowances benefit the better off more, child benefit | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
equalised that and made it the same for everyone. We have a tax system | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
that recognises things like donations to charity and all kinds | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
of other things. For some people, if the change goes ahead, it won't | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
recognise your biggest cost, which is your children. The logic of your | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
position, Peter Lilley, is, the economic circumstances toughen the | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
sinews, tough it out? In the best of all possible worlds we wouldn't | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
do t Alison is right, this isn't the best of all possible worlds, it | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
is very difficult to introduce reforms and cuts and changes, | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
without affecting those on the top income tax rate as well. I think | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
the Government would look very foolish if it backed off it | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
entirely. If it can find ways, which I couldn't find, I looked | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
repeatedly, of doing away with some of these ano mam lease, or at least | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
minimising -- anomolies, or at least minimising them, maybe they | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
are cleverer than me, I couldn't find them I looked for five years. | :10:40. | :10:48. | |
Any kinds of means testing is enormously expensence, how will the | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
Government pay for that? expensive, how will the Government | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
pay for that? It is very difficult to do it without injustice, but in | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
these economic circumstances we can't avoid doing painful things, | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
at least in the crisis and we are back in some kind of balances. If | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
we are back in the best worlds we can return to the system that | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
Alison defends now and I did in the past. What about the argument that | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
by applying a benefit to everybody, and whatever sector of society they | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
happen to find themselves, there is something, it does something to | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
society, it makes it more socially cohesive and coherent. Of course. | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
know you guys think that? It is a national treasure sure, it values | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
all children, and popular. What do you think about the argument? | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
don't think that is the reason for doing it other having the child | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
benefit, it is not to make society feel cohesive, it is to recognise | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
the cost of having children, if not in the tax system the benefits | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
system. You do recognise that children are expensive? That is why | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
it exists, and you keeping child benefit for those on the basic rate | :11:58. | :12:06. | |
of tax, but you are saying, sadly, regretably, we can't do so in these | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
economic circumstances, for those earning over �40,000 so so. | :12:12. | :12:19. | |
Do you recognise the -- or so. Do you recognise the benefits | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
system has to get smaller. We can't afford the welfare state as big as | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
it is? I don't think that is true. Your objection is an ideolgical | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
objection to any kind of cut? any kind of cut. This is one of the | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
cornerstones of our welfare state, and one of the most successful | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
parts of our welfare state, it works and hits nearly 100% of its | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
target, that can't be said of means-tested benefits. What do you | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
say to someone concerned about low pay, to the person earning �35,000 | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
a year, that they should pay their taxes in order that someone earning | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
over �42,000 a year can get a benefit for having children? | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
they pay their taxes for all kinds of things that well off people | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
receive. Like health service and educational services. I think that | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
is a Big bit of a silly argument, really. -- a bit of a silly | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
argument, really. That puts you in your place, Paxman. I thought you | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
would have a written response to it! You pay benefits to people who | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
are in need, the argument is that need is not evenly distributed | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
across all income sectors? But one of the effects of costs of children, | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
that families with children fall lower down the income distribution | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
than those without children. What it does is redistribute from those | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
without to people with children. It is targeted in a different way, it | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
is not income targeting, but hugely successful, it hits nearly 100% of | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
its target, that can't be said with any of the means-tested benefits. | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
You don't think there is any alternative? I don't think there is | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
in these economic circumstances, there is no way of doing it without | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
the rough edges. I have letters from people saying, there is a | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
simple way of doing it, but all their simple solutions don't work. | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
So we are going to have to take the pain, and do some things that will | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
be very unpopular with a group of people, with whom I have every sim | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
though, and who are natural support -- sympathy, who are natural | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
supporters. Thank you very much. Barely 24 | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
hours after Vladimir Putin claimed he won a third term as Russian | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
president in an open and honest battle, thousands of protestors | :14:31. | :14:39. | |
have gathered in Moscow to protest about apparent irregularities in | :14:39. | :14:46. | |
the election. We're in Moscow, what has happened tonight? Here in | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
Moscow tonight, the opposition's first attempt to try to set up a | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
permanent protest in the centre of the city, against the results of | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
the elections has already ended in failure. After the main body of | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
people left the protest meeting you were talking about. Those who | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
stayed were fairly roughly dispersed by police, and several, | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
including some of the most best known activists, including the | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
anti-corruption campaigner, Alexei Navalny, were detained, bundled in | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
police cars, Navalny was later released. It is a sign that now he | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
has declared his victory, Putin's patience with dissent will start to | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
wear thin. But I don't think this new protest movement will die down | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
completely, in the ten days I have been here, I have felt a new spirit | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
in the air of dissidence and defiance. It is not a majority, it | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
is still a minority. If Putin wants to stay in power, he won't be able | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
to deal with this opposition by repression alone. | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
Over the Moscow river they streamed this evening, from a distance it | :15:53. | :16:01. | |
looked almost like a revolution. Up close the opposition rally | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
wasn't as big as expect, but the message was clear, Putin is a thief. | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
They want him out, eventhough he has just won a third presidential | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
term, with an official tally of 64% of the vote. | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
These people don't represent the whole of Russia, they don't even | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
claim to. Most would accept that Vladimir Putin is the most popular | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
politician in the country. But what this crowd wants, is a Russia ruled | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
by law, and the results of the election have made them all the | :16:33. | :16:40. | |
more determined to achieve that. They say yesterday's result was | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
stolen. First of all, this is not an election, this is a special | :16:46. | :16:52. | |
operation, how Putin can keep power in the Kremlin. There are three | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
stages of fallscation, which Putin organised -- falsification, which | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
Putin organised in this country, first was the selection of the | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
candidate, the opposition was not in the least, because according to | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
Putin's rules, it is strictly impossible to be in the least | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
without the per-- the list without permission from Putin. Then it is | :17:13. | :17:20. | |
propaganda, and the third point is falsification during calculation. | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
In southern Russia yesterday, we joined an observer from an | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
independent legal group, patrolling the city for signs of violations. | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
We have just come to a street where we have been told a bus will be | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
waiting to take local health workers all together to vote for | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
Putin. They have apparently been told that if they don't get on the | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
bus and go together, they will risk losing their jobs. | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
Sure enough, we find a bus pulled up outside the health department. | :17:49. | :17:57. | |
Documents of some kind are handed over. Then, the employees start to | :17:57. | :18:07. | |
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get on. The bus sets off, we pursue it for | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
half an hour as it drives from one side of the city to another. Then | :18:15. | :18:25. | |
it stops on the corner, at the very edge of town. The voters set off on | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
foot, but why are they all going into such a far away polling | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
station, where they aren't normally registered? | :18:33. | :18:40. | |
The driver can't give any explanation. | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
TRANSLATION: I wasn't driving any voters around, what voters? | :18:45. | :18:53. | |
brought them here to vote? TRANSLATION: Who? The people in | :18:53. | :19:03. | |
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this bus? Which organisation asked you to come? | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
So why was he so reluctant to talk to us. We saw him take more than | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
one bus load to the same place. TRANSLATION: What we saw with the | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
bus, it was state employees being forced to go with absentee ballots | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
to another polling station. It is very strange, to drive people from | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
one end of town to the other, to vote in a different district, to | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
where they live. It is done because it is harder to monitor polling | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
stations on the edge of town, so it is much easier to rig the result. | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
This observer from an opposition party, who is spending all day here, | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
has seen several such coachloads arrive. TRANSLATION: To have so | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
many people not registered here, using absentee ballots, to vote in | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
one small polling station, of course, that is suspicious. | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
The fine array of snacks on the polling station, can't be the | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
reason they have come so far. This official has seen a unusual number | :20:11. | :20:17. | |
of absentee ballots, she says it makes it impossible to know if the | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
same person has voted more than once. They can't prove whether that | :20:21. | :20:28. | |
happened here. Here and all over Russia there have been many reports | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
of it. The Russians say these elections are as transparent as | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
anywhere in the world. There are cameras, machines scanning and | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
counting every vote as it comes in, and yet, even so, the allegations | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
of rigging continue. Among those angriest, are the | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
communists. Their candidate gained almost 20% of the vote, they have | :20:51. | :20:58. | |
refused to accept the result. Here before the election this | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
distributor told me that many people would vote for Putin out of | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
fear. TRANSLATION: I live in a village, | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
and people from the administration are going around and demanding | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
everyone votes for Putin, and threatening to take away their | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
social security if they don't. In the countryside it is hard to go | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
against the authorities. Much of this land belongs to a huge | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
agricultural concern, that was built up and is still partly | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
controlled by the family of the regional governor. | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
Political and economic power here are intertwineed under capitalism, | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
just as they were under communism. People feel they could lose their | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
livelihoods if they vote the wrong way. This man says he had little | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
option but to rent his land to the governor's family firm. He's a | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
communist, but he says almost everyone else here votes Putin. | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
TRANSLATION: Authority is authority, and authority won't let anyone else | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
through in any circumstances, because there are no laws in our | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
country that wo allow a candidate to beat authority. -- would allow a | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
candidate to beat authority. the governor denies any abuse of | :22:11. | :22:21. | |
:22:21. | :22:22. | ||
power, or any rigging of the vote. TRANSLATION: They can't say white | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
is black, they can't say the elections weren't fair when they | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
weren't, but electors have signed off saying how many voted for Putin | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
and communists and so on. If it does happen it will be a crowd of | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
oppositionists who want to rock the boat at any price. It will show all | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
the slogans about unfair elections were just a cover, a pretext for | :22:44. | :22:54. | |
creating chaos in the country. Yesterday, as Putin tearfully | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
accepted his victory, in front of tens of thousands of cheering | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
supporters, he took the same uncompromising line towards the | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
opposition. Tonight, protestors who stayed | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
behind in central Moscow after the main rally were uncermoniously | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
dispersed by the police. Several well known activists were detained. | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
It looks as though the Kremlin's brief tolerance of protest might | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
already be coming to an end. With us now to discuss Vladimir Putin's | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
victory and what it means and what happens next, is the former Labour | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
Foreign Secretary, David Miliband. What is he like to deal with? | :23:31. | :23:38. | |
cold, he's motionless when he sits in a room, and very definitive in | :23:38. | :23:46. | |
the sentences that he uters. like a western politician? No, you | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
see he's learning tricks from the rally he has just done. The British | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
relationship has always been a particularly difficult one in the | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
last 20 years, they think we are a declining power, and we think they | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
are a declining power, that is a bad recipe in any relationship. | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
Both could be slightly right? is an element of truth in both | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
allegations. The thing he has never believed is we in the west would | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
like a confident, diversified economy, and a growing Russia. He's | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
absolutely convinced that we're actually trying to do him down, | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
partly because of the experience of the 1990s. The most tragic thing is | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
when he says Hillary Clinton is paying all these people to protest | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
in the streets. That is absolute nonsense. Do you think he genuinely | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
believes that? I think you should never underestimate leaders a | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
bubble to come to believe their own propaganda. There was a chink of | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
light in what he wrote in the Washington Post last month. He said, | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
he was boasting that Russia is a richer, more educated society, and | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
there are the seeds of his own downfall. This more educated Russia, | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
especially in the cities, in Moscow and St Petersburg, is what is | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
rebelling against him. You saw those pictures from Moscow tonight, | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
that did not look like mass protest movement? People are living in fear, | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
you have heard that. It was a coronation organised to entrench | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
power. However, 45 million Russians use the Internet, which is pretty | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
open in Russia, regularly, frequently, it is a very active | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
internet society. You have a much greater flow of information than | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
ever before. And you have this real movement on Putin at the moment, a | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
pinser, on the one hand political openness, on the other the business | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
class looking at the clampdown and abuse of law, knowing it is not | :25:38. | :25:44. | |
good for business. You are not suggesting there is any likelihood | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
of him to be toppled before the end of his term? Someone like him isn't | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
going to give away power lightly. Six months ago, the idea he | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
wouldn't have got the two terms that he thinks he's renegotiated | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
through his four years as Prime Minister, no-one would have | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
believed he wouldn't have got a second term. I think there is at | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
least a 50% chance he won't get a second term. Why not? Because the | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
forces for openness are very, very strong in politics, and in business, | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
the idea that you can just abuse power is actually going to lead to | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
real problems in the Russian economy. That is the pinser | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
movement under which he's almost dammed if he does clampdown and | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
dammed if he doesn't. To go back to your point about relations between | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
this country and Russia, I saw David Cameron sent him a letter | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
tonight saying he was looking forward to overcoming the obstacles | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
between our two countries. Fat chance, eh? Pretty slim chance. The | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
thing for us is to make sure this doesn't just become a bilateral | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
spat. The only hope for us to really engage with the Russians is | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
to unify across Europe on issues like energy, and to unify with | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
members of the UN on the bigger issues, particularly the Chinese. | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
That is the key to make sure even if Putin chooses the route of | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
clampdown at home, he becomes a better partner abroad. We will look | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
at what is happening in Syria, where President Assad, the Syrian | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
dictator, whom Russia has gone out of its way to introtebgt from the | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
international forces, seems to be unleashing his thugs on the people. | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
Refugees are told the BBC horrific Tories of murder and torture, from | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
Homs. John Cain said tonight that time | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
was running out, -- John McCain cane said tonight time was running | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
out, and became the most senior figure to call for protection and | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
cover for the Free Syrian Army. United States should lead an | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
international effort, to protect key population centres in Syria, | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
especially in the north through air strikes on Assad's forces. To be | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
clear, this will require the United States to suppress enemy air | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
defences in at least part of the country. The ultimate goal of air | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
strikes should be to establish and defend safe havens in Syria. | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
Especially in the north. In which opposition forces can organise and | :28:08. | :28:15. | |
plan their political and military activities against Assad. David | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
Miliband is still here. What about this idea of air strikes, or some | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
sort of intervention against Assad? Senator McCain cane is basically | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
saying the American Government should declare war on the Syrian | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
Government. It has to be seen in that light. I think that the | :28:31. | :28:37. | |
dangers in that are just obvious. First of all, any notion that you | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
have an international coalition, including the Arab world, | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
supporting action in Syria, gone, there would be real danger you | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
would get Syria-Israel configuration coming in as well. | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
You referred to horror stories coming out, these are unspeakable | :28:52. | :28:58. | |
coims being committed there. You have 12-year-old -- crimes being | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
committed there. You have 12-year- old kids talking about their | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
parents' throats being cut in front of them. It is becoming a sectarian | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
conflict. The sense of urgency is right, American air strikes would | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
make it worse. It is troubling for the rest of the world, when we know | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
they saw the west and other countries intervening in Libya to | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
support a popular revolt here. Some of them felt they might expect the | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
same in Syria, and they didn't get it? It is worse than troubling. But | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
the two cases are very, very different. The test, there are | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
three tests for any military intervention, is there a | :29:34. | :29:40. | |
humanitarian need, clearly, yes, in Libya and Syria. Is there a | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
military plan? I'm not in Government any more, but I haven't | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
seen anything outside Government to suggest a military plan. And | :29:47. | :29:54. | |
thirdly the strategic consequences, you don't get the ticks in those | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
boxes. We could be looking at something worse than veb nieceia? | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
You could be -- Srebrenica? could be looking at something three | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
times worse than what Assad's father did in Hama in 1982. The key | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
to this is back to Putin. If that is the case how many people did he | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
kill in Hama? Between 10,000-20,000. That is a terrible thing? It is | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
unspeakable. There is nothing we can do? I don't agree with that. | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
The truth is Putin's hold in Syria is very significant. He has to | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
calculate that it is actually in his interests to call Assad's thugs | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
off. I think that two months ago people would have said Assad will | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
go, I don't think he's about to fall. He may be done for in the | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
three or four year time span, kwhroing he's done for in a three d | :30:44. | :30:50. | |
I don't think he's done for in the three or four week time span. There | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
is Assad in power being persuaded he's not to kill people, that is | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
where we have to put the pressure. President Obama was talking up the | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
chances of diplomacy, some how settling the crisis over why | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
exactly Iran is so insistent on winding up the rest of the world | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
about its nuclear ambitions. Israel, which managed to develop its own | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
nuclear weapons programme, despite international sanctions, says it | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
can't tolerate an Iranian bomb. But other conflict in the Middle East | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
is the last thing President Obama wants right now. When he and the | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
Israeli Prime Minister met in Washington today, he was anxious to | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
downplay talk of military strikes. Our diplomatic editor is here. | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
What was he after? Well, the White House thinks that the Israelis have | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
been making noises that are just too war-like. In the run up to | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
today's meeting, the Israelis said, all right, we could change our | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
language, if you say, publicly, that the US military option is | :31:45. | :31:51. | |
still on the table. As I emphasised, even as we will continue on the | :31:51. | :31:59. | |
diplomatic front, we will continue to tighten pressure, when it comes | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
to sanctions, I reserve all options, and my policy here is not going to | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
be one of containment, my policy is prevention of Iran obtaining | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
nuclear weapons. As I indicated yesterday in my speech, when I say | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
all options are on the table, I mean it. In addition to that public | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
statement, there have been plenty of private US assurances to Israel, | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
along the lines of look, as soon as the presidential elections are out | :32:24. | :32:29. | |
of the way in November, assuming Mr Obama is re-elected, we will take | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
this problem serious low by the horns. In the meantime, we have to | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
-- seriously by the horns, in the meantime we have to give economic | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
saingss time to bite. Certain voices in -- sanctions time to bite. | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
Certain voices in the Israeli cabinet say they think sanctions | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
could work, but need a little time to demonstrate they could do so. | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
Why was Obama's assurance necessary? The Israelis, | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
particularly Mr Netanyahu think he has been soft on Iran. They want to | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
hear a tougher public language. The other thing is, they fear a danger, | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
if you say nothing will happen towards the end of this year, this | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
is a holiday from pressure for the Iranians, therefore they ought to | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
keep up the pressure by raising the specter of a unilateral strike. You | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
might say, OK, what is wrong with Israel playing bad cop, and | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
yesterday President Obama was amazing low candid about why he | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
thought that was a bad idea. -- amazingly candid about why he | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
thought that was a bad idea. Already there is too much loose | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
talk about war. In the last few weeks such talk has only benefited | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
the Iranian Government, by driving up the price of oil, which they | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
depend on to fund their nuclear programme. President Obama | :33:42. | :33:49. | |
obviously feels that the dlorb dollar 5 gallon of gas will -- $5 | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
gallon of gas will harm his prospects. At the same time Mr | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
Netanyahu didn't want to go into the meeting looking like a pushover, | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
and he continued to talk tough. Israel must have the ability, | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
always, to defend itself, by itself, against any threat. And that when | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
it comes to Israel's security, Israel has the right, the sovereign | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
right to make its own decisions. I believe that is why, you appreciate | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
Mr President, that Israel must reserve the right to defend itself. | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
Afterall, that is the very purpose of the Jewish state. The Americans | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
are becoming quite frank, though, that Israel couldn't do it alone. | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
Its fighter bombers couldn't reach targets deep in Iran without | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
refuelling, but the country only has a handful of tanker aircraft | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
capable of doing that. Also, the deep buried sites would be hard for | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
them to knockout. It is the tunnelling of a new underground | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
uranium facility that has led to Israeli claims that the Iranians | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
are creating a zone of immunity from attack. | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
Now US officials are telegraphing, US support could make the | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
difference between success and failure. Last week the head of the | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
US fair force said: With what they could do, you | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
wouldn't want to be in the area. They also revealed contingency | :35:12. | :35:19. | |
plans for US tankers to refuel Israeli aircraft, something that | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
could transform Israel's options. Pentagon officials briefed the | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
Washington Post, that a huge new American bomb, the massive | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
ordinance penetrateor, could penetrate up to 200 feet | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
underground, destroying Iranian facilities. What stands in the way | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
of the American message getting through? They have a message, can | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
they actually make raility conform to the US electoral timetable. | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
Hardliners in had Iran could provoke some sort of incident. They | :35:47. | :35:57. | |
:35:57. | :35:58. | ||
could change the pace of this crisis. They could limit the access | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
inspectors are getting, that is a difficult issue. For the details as | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
you understand I cannot get into the details. I can tell you that we | :36:07. | :36:14. | |
are aware that there are some activities and it makes us believe | :36:14. | :36:23. | |
that going there sooner is better than later. Where does the crisis | :36:23. | :36:29. | |
go from here. Political, financial and economic action, if the White | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
House has anything to do it, the military action won't be on the | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
table for the best part of a year. With us now is the Israeli | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
ambassador to Britain. How far do you think the Iranians are, from | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
being able to weaponise whatever nuclear material they have got? | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
That is obvious low one of the key areas of discussion taking place | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
between the President and the Prime Minister, not just between them, | :36:53. | :37:00. | |
just generally. What is your assessment? We don't talk about | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
assessments publicly for reasons that are clear. What is clear is | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
the report from the Atomic Energy Agency is the window is getting | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
closer, and the window is getting narrower. We see there is an | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
attempt to speed up the enrichment and the number of interrefugees. | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
And at the same time to transfer a lot of the enrichment facilities to | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
the underground facilities, where they might be out of harm's way. | :37:25. | :37:30. | |
That is one of the reasons we have to be so focused on the issue at | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
the moment. This is what President Obama calls loose talk, he's | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
calling for less loose talk, why is your Government perpetrating loose | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
talk? President Netanyahu told our troops the same thing a couple of | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
weeks ago, there are things best not spoken about publicly, but they | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
are so important it is best to speak about them publicly. This is | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
about winding things up? I don't think so, we are talking about a | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
genuine and one of the most significant security threats of | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
recent times. It is simply not possible, to co-ordinate, to work | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
closely together, to deal with a threat, not just to Israel, but as | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
we have heard from the President, as we have heard from the Foreign | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
Secretary here, not just to the Middle East, but the entire world. | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
It is something that really needs to exercise us and something we | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
need to discuss. At a military level it would be impossible for | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
Israel, by herself, would it not, to destroy whatever Iranian | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
military weapon is at hand? I'm not going into the details of possible | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
military action, something that both the President and Prime | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
Minister is agreed on, that we simply cannot afford to take | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
military options off the table. We can't afford the situation where | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
dialogue continues, and it is really just background music for | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
enrichment. Even if we put our hopes in dialogue, it will only be | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
effective if we have a credible military option on the table. That | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
is why we take it seriously. There is no suggestion of a unilaterally | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
Israeli action that would work? are not talking about what is there | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
is a possibility about or not. In the past Israel has done the world | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
a service by taking out Iraqi nuclear facilities, and so on. In | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
this case, if there is an option of preventing it through talk and | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
sanctions, that is clearly preferable, and what we would like | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
to achieve. If not we will genuinely have to consider every | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
option, including the military one. How long do you think you have got? | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
We are talking about a narrowing window. We see some sign that the | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
sanctions are taking route. We understand what the President said | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
about seeing those signs and having could go sans of them. But the | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
other point is we are talking about a situation where the threats. You | :39:38. | :39:45. | |
have to look at what Iran is doing today. We see it is supporting | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
terrorism and brutality in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
Gaza. We saw what happened to the British Embassy in Tehran, we have | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
seen what happened to my clogs in Georgia, in India, in -- colleagues | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
in Georgia, India and Thailand there were threats against them. | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
This is without nuclear capability, we have to have our mind on what | :40:04. | :40:10. | |
would be the situation if we had this regime, acting with the | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
additional confidence and potential immunity of a nuclear regime. | :40:13. | :40:21. | |
speak, of course, as a nuke clear weapons regime? The Israeli policy | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
-- nuclear weapons regime? Israeli policy is not to talk about nuclear | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
policy at the moment. Another thing you don't talk about? Israel has | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
not talked about taking another state off the map. You are | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
threatening Iran right now? We are saying what the rest of the | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
international community is saying, the fact is a country that | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
brutalises its citizens, the world's leading supporter of state- | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
sponsored terrorism, and flouting obligations, is not a country that | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
should be permitted to getting nuclear weapons. | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
There are now 144 days to go until the moment when the Olympic Flame | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
is lit in East London. Ever since Tony Blair and his friends began | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
trying to persuade the Olympic Committee to stage the games in | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
London, we have been told they will be a great thing for the capital, a | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
great thing for the nation and human toe. Anyone who feels | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
differently, that it is bread and circumstance cusses, for example, | :41:17. | :41:27. | |
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A well known London character called Johnson, not that one, | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
famous low said, that when a man is tired of this city, he's tired of | :41:38. | :41:46. | |
life. # I view the morning | :41:46. | :41:52. | |
# With the laark What when he's tired of all the | :41:52. | :42:02. | |
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hype surrounding the Olympic Games coming to the city. China Mieville | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
isn't getting carried away with Olympic fever, in the city he calls | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
home. Welcome aboard the Newsnight bus of truth. Shall we take a seat. | :42:16. | :42:22. | |
But broadcaster Robert Elms, is such a Londoner, he doesn't have | :42:22. | :42:30. | |
blood in his veins, he has gelied eels! That doesn't make sense. We | :42:30. | :42:36. | |
brought the two of them together, to take in the sites, to cuss the | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
games, and the Metropilis that will be the centre of the world's | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
attention. I think London is facing economic difficulties verging on | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
catastrophy, which the Government is doing the opposite of helping. | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
It is not helping young people who in London, rates of unemployment, | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
disaffection, disempowerment, are enormous. I'm concerned about the | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
way the Olympics is prioritising a corporate agenda over a local | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
agenda. I'm a huge fan of sport, I will love the Olympics and the fact | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
it is in my town and the world is looking at my town. I have big | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
issues about the ticketing, many people have. I have big issues | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
about corporatisation, sadly, that is the nature of these events | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
anywhere in the world. You won't get an uncorporate limb iblgs, | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
because of the very tail -- Olympics, because of the very scale | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
of it. I do believe we will do it very, very well, and some of the | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
incredibly messy, tar-stained charm of this city will come through. | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
is exactly that kind of grass-roots vibecy that is being squeezed out | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
by this, or there is an attempt, should I say, to squeeze it out, I | :43:46. | :43:54. | |
think it is extremely resilient, I'm trying to take the side of that | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
against the very much Boris Johnson's agenda of laughing at | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
those who have criticisms, the moaning minis, and all this kind of | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
nonsense, there are serious problems facing the city, and it is | :44:06. | :44:14. | |
done to us by the Millennium Dome in power. | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
The People in power weren't listening to those involved in last | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
summer's disturbances says China Mieville. I think the riots were a | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
wake-up call for people. I think people would see that to as young | :44:27. | :44:33. | |
people helping themselves to trainers and TVs? Anyone who will | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
traduce the serious attempt to deal with social issues, by poipbgt out | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
the obvious acts of theft and so on, that happen in any situation like | :44:43. | :44:50. | |
that, and suggest in Teresa May's terms there is nothing else but | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
that, no questions to be asked, this is willful stupidity. What do | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
you make of that, the root causes of the riots and what they showed | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
us? They are incredibly complex, to put it in context, the London mob, | :45:04. | :45:10. | |
that can arise from the streets of London historically, has always | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
done this. It was painted as a city that was neutered or spoiled, I | :45:15. | :45:21. | |
won't say I'm in favour of the riots, I'm a middle-class man now | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
with a lot to lose, and I don't want my kids dragged into that. I | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
think it is a sign of London's vivacity and vir reelity. How will | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
we look like on this year, an important year for the country and | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
city? I think London will put on a fantastic party, it is one of the | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
things we do really well. I can absolutely predict with assurance, | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
that this magnificent, dirty, noisy, smelly old city, will continue to | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
be the greatest in the world. will have to come back in ten years | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
and see the state of East London, in ten or fifth teen years time we | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
don't just have a dead graveyard of ridiculous giant buildings, if we | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
have an infrastructure helping local people, I will be happy to | :46:04. | :46:14. | |
:46:14. | :46:30. | ||
say I was wrong. Tomorrow morning's That is all tonight, the death of | :46:30. | :46:38. | |
the man who designed some of the most popular characters in science | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
fiction. Raffle McQuartery were associated with all popular | :46:43. | :46:53. | |
:46:53. | :47:17. | ||
programmes on TV, but he was mostly It is cold out there, a frost | :47:17. | :47:23. | |
developing across many parts of the country. A couple of exceptions in | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
East Anglia, cloudier here rb avoiding a frost. Northern Ireland | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
clouding up for most of us. Lots and lots of sunshine to look | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
forward to. A lovely day across the heart of England, spring sunshine, | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
temperatures up to eight or nine or ten degrees. A better day in the | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
south-east compared to what we have. The cloud thinning, lighter winds, | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
it will feel warmer. Pleasant too across the West Country. Clouding | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
up a touch across the far South- West of England. Western parts of | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
Wales starting to cloud up too. Further east will stay fine and | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
bright through daylight hours. For Northern Ireland things going down | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
hill, it does turn increasingly cloudy, wet and windy later on in | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
the day, that rain pushes into a good part of western Scotland, | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
further east things will stay predominant low dry, right the way | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
through the day. Things chopping and changing, the rain moves | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
through, northern areas will return to sunshine and showers. It will | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
turn colder with the showers wintry on Wednesday, across the high | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
ground on Scotland. Further south, Tuesday looks good, but Wednesday | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
will see some rain, that rain should clear through, and hopefully | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
skies will brighten later on in the day. We have a weather front | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
crossing the country on Wednesday, we will see a bit of a splash, | :48:33. | :48:37. |