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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to London. To the games of the 30th

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Olympiad. Sheep and Shakespeare, Brunel and

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Mr Bean, with humour, cliche, spectacle and surprise, the heart

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in London has begun. (Bond music)

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The Queen's greeted with massive applause as she, apparently,

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parachutes into the stadium. And the Britain of self-

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depprication, and even the cock-up, is paraded to the world. What did

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it really tell us, and what did it say to the world. We have athletes

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and historians to try to make sense of it here. Good evening, good of

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you to join us, we are more than half way through the opening

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ceremony, we are offering here the first comment and conversation of

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all we have seen tonight .7 sheep was a brave way to kick off -- 77

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sheep was a brave way to kick off, on landscape that looked, momently

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by Hobbits, we have Shakespeare talked of by an engineer, sex

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pistols, Mary Poppins, and a sense of anarchy always present and a

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sense of humour, did it work, and what does it tell us about our

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Britain, and the Britain we want to project to the world. We will ask

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our panel what they make of it. Steve Smith first on what we think

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so far. The Oscar-winning director kicked

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off his Isles of Wonder spectacular with a film, a bird's eye view of

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the green and pleasant land of Jerusalem, that Danny Boyle is

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offering a worldwide audience, which could number a billion.

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Who better to ring in the ceremony, in the stadium, than Britain's

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newly-Laureled Tour de France champion, Bradley Wiggins.

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Oh no, it's Wallander, not Scandinavian gloom, but this was

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Kenneth Branagh in a different eulogise, dressed as the great

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engineer, Brunel, and in Bradley Wiggins side burns. In dreaming the

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clouds mere thought would open and show riches. The 19th century

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industrialist then read from Shakespeare's Tempest.

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I cried to dream again. In a, frankly, pagan moment, drummers

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summoned the shades of the country's manufacturing poor from

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their slumbers beneath the green hill. A potentially ticklish piece

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of theatric, no-one wants to die on a grassy knoll.

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But by now the Boyle production was warming to its theme. The white

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heat of the Industrial Revolution. Glowing hoops of steel slowly

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resolved themselves into a family geo.

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Mr Bond would like to see you. Not so long ago, and not so far

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from where I'm sitting, taking liberties with the Queen on film

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was a bad career move. Not so tonight for 007, Daniel Craig.

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evening Mr Bond. Eat that, Helen Mirren.

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Good evening, your majesty. Future historians may well decide

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that this was an extraordinary shaft of daylight, let in on the

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magic of royalty. Of course, this is not only Olympics year, but the

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Jubilee. And the 50th anniversary of James Bond at the cinema. In a

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pinch-me moment, the Queen appeared to parachute into Stratford. But

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surely she qualifies for the zil lane!

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Cut to the Queen wearing the same outfit, good continuity. There's

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If you had been watching the ceremony, and let's face, you were,

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and probably still r then you would have seen Boyle all-singing, all-

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dancing homage to the NHS a kind of bed pans and broomsticks.

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It seemed to owe less to the current state of the health service,

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and more to a sentimental view of this great institution. We think

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this is what Carry On Nurse looked like, to the characters in Boyle's

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And, as promised, or threatened, the coming slew of gold, silver and

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bronze, was inaugurated by old Golden Balls himself, the whole

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thing was like a box of chocolates, as someone once said, something for

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everyone, but one or two of the treats, ever so slightly tripped

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via enamel. Our guests are here to give their

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first reaction in just a moment. First O'Connell is a seasoned

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veteran of international spectacle, although more of the Eurovision

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variety. He joins us high above in the Olympic Park. Give us a flavour

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of what it felt like there, Paddy? You heard that 1948 of the

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"Austerity Games". I think this is about dexterity. I have been very

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moved. I know we're meant to be cynical, but as I walked here, I

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headed to the pub, because obviously there is a stadium, there

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is a second stadium it's called people outside without tickets. And

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I looked there, as it began. And I saw the countdown, and I saw the

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people watching, trying to work out what we think of ourselves, so when

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the Queen was then parachuted in, apparently, when Mr Bean played

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Chariots of Fire, when the 7/7 victims were themselves some how

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remembered, this crowd was very caught up at all times, trying to

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work out. The world's watching us, but perhaps, what do we think of

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ourselves. Extraordinary scenes outside the stadium as well as

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within. You mentioned the cynicism, or the scepticism, did you see

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people struggling with whether they were going to mock it, make fun of

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it or embrace it. Was that something you felt in the pub?

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that is what people said to me. There was a Frenchman behind me, he

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was having a joke with me, he later accused me of spilling my beer on

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him, but there was a sense of, well show us what you've got, is it just

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cynicism, or is it a thousand years, is it the inventor of the internet.

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Is it people, is it places, can you possibly punk your leader? You took

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the Queen and you apparently showed her in a helicopter. We know the

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Chinese couldn't do that, with all the Communist Party, but what we

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don't know, I suppose, is whether we did have a single message, and

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you have got lots of very bright people. But let me tell you, as I

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walked to your Newsnight studio, there are people in the road

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sharing their laptops with each other. They are gathering around,

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they want to see something, for goodness sake, at least it's not

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Liberty, that's what I heard! -- LIBOR, that's what I heard.

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Let's get on to the question of message, what did we take away, how

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did we do and what did it all mean? In the Newsnight living room, we

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were told the best place to see it was from the living room. We have

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the former Paralympic swimmer, and the singer song righter Mika, the

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columnist, Grace Dent, and critic Laurie Penny, who thinks the whole

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thing is a waste of money and Dan Jones. We will come to that in a

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second, let's quick off with the message, you said you were watching

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it and enjoying t you found it odd? I found it a little bewildering,

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historically was a mish-mash and jumble, everything mashed up

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together. We had the Industrial Revolution, Shakespeare, the

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Internet, everything thrown in. It struck me as a foreigner's eye view

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of British history. To watch it as a native of these Isles felt very

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confusing. Did you understand how the history was chosen. We started

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in the green and pleasant land, presumably so we could then play

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Jerusalem, and then there was this very selective look at history of

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100 years? It was a choreographed history, certainly, It felt like

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the greatest hits, Now That's What I Call History 57. I don't think

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there was a narrative, I don't think there was a point in looking

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for a serious narrative, it wasn't an exposition rather than that.

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What about you? I loved it, I saw a narrative, I'm sorry to be dragged

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away from it. I felt emotional from the moment I got here when the Red

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Arrows went over the studio. I felt emotional seeing the Suffragettes

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coming on and the time given to the NHS, the whole thing with the Queen

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and James Bond, I've really enjoyed this. To say there wasn't a

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narrative. It has been a slight mess at times, with people running

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on and off, that is what we do in Britain. Sometimes it is a bit of a

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chaos, but there is a message there. The message at the moment, for me,

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is just how kind the British people are. They have all went out and

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done that for free. So many people have given their time. What do you

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make of the spectacle, the choreography of what we saw. There

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was that sort of dependance on video and live, was the balance

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found? Actually, I personally loved it, I thought it was funny, full of

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heart, I thought it was full of all the right things that it needed to

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be. Especially after Beijing. I think that the videolinks were

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probably the star, but they were so good because they were made

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relevant, by all the theatre that happened inbetween. What's so good

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about it was that actually it was anarchy but it was functional

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anarchy. This mass, bizarrely, you had thousands of people on this set,

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but it felt more human than any other Olympics ceremony I have ever

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seen. There was everyone, there was no stars showing up for the fact of

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showing up, everyone that came had a part. James Bond, Mr Bean, the

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Queen, everyone had a reason for being there. It took its time. I

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think it was really charming. I think theatrically it was really

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impressive, it was disarming. I wasn't prepared to enjoy it and

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find it funny. I did. The Chinese did a spectacle that was clinical

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and beautiful, and choreographed to the most minute precision, and you

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know, they did all this beautiful stuff with orchestrated concrete

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blocks, and we did it with NHS beds and a lot more heart. It was

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completely a success. There were a lot of political messages coming

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through, we saw the NHS, the Suffragettes, the immigration, what

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was your take on that? I thought this was brilliant, actually, I

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have to say, I was deeply surprised by it. I thought it was, what

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surprised me was how dark it was, essentially. You did have at one

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stage Voldemort coming on and attacking the NHS, it is not that

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subtle. There was all the messaging at the start, the green and

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pleasant land, the singing of Jerusalem, then the Industrial

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Revolution, the dark and fiery, and the choosing of the Shakespeare

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quote, that was very interesting. The bit that was read out was a

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quote from Caliban, who is obviously the slave character in

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The Tempest, it was one of the most perfect bits you could have chosen

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to read out at the beginning of the Olympic ceremonies, "be not afraid

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this Isle is full of noises, so when I woke I cried to dream

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again.", I thought it was very deep, intellectual and dark. It was

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brilliant fun. I was disappointed when the athletes came on. I was

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like, oh no, it's sports. We are playing the middle bit, where it

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was a sort of Mary Poppins, children jumping on the hospital

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beds, and quite interesting, in a number of parts, I know, in London

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what I see on the social websites, people started chanting NHS, it

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became a political moment. Would you have seen this as a left-wing

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message coming through? I think it has been done very cleverly. I

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think the spectacle has been staged so that anybody can see what they

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want to see in it. I think a lot of people were very heartened by the

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inclusion of the NHS. This is something a lot of people are proud

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of in Britain. When we have been having a lot of messaging about

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British pride wha, Britain is about, suddenly we have -- and what

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Britain is about, suddenly we have something nearly everyone is proud

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of in Britain, the National Health Service, which is under attack at

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the moment. Under financial pressure. It is kind of like it is

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the biggest sociocultural thing to shout about. This health service is

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a perfect global platform to shout about it in the way they did. I

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liked that a lot. I will come to you Rachel, Laurie was saying she

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was disappointed when the sporting bit came on. Oh yeah, this is about

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sport, I forgot. There was even a sense when we saw the chariots of

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fire, and Mr Bean pushing through, that it is a country that doesn't

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want to take itself too seriously. Is that a message as a sportwoman

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you want to take away right now? think it is good that they are

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showing all different sides, but obvious low, as a sports person --

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obviously as a sports person we see the Olympics and the Paralympic as

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the pinnacle of a person's career. You have worked very hard to get

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there. To an athlete the opening ceremony isn't about comedy, and

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fun, it is about realising that you have become an Olympic athlete, I

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have become a Paralympic athlete, the moment where they walk out is

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where it really hits you, wow this is what I have trained all that

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time for. Would you liked to have seen a little bit more sparkle,

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maybe even finesse, rather than that sort of fallback, if you like,

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on to a very British trait of humour? I think it had the mix of

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both. You had all the music, and you had a lot of sparkle within

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that. That kind of brought out a lot of the atmosphere for the crowd

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to really get behind, and hopefully start now supporting the athletes

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and really get them going. Then the comedy was for the other people,

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sat at home, who maybe aren't into the sport. This opening ceremony

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allowed everybody to get involved, because it had all the different

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contrast. When it played for laughs, Grace, it was also playing to our

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exports. Mr Bean is probably the easiest character to export around

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the world, because you don't need language, right? There is no

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denying how important Mr Bean is around the world. He there is no

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denying that, we can't get away from that! I think it is just, but

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it is true, he is everywhere you go, people know him. To me, I saw Rowan

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Atkinson, I thought amazing, he is a bit of a national treasure sure.

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When he started to do the Mr Bean bit it lost it for me, I was never

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a fan. The crowd loved it. It lost it for you because? Personally

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because, a little bit corny. I have never been the person to sit down

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on a bank holiday and watch a Mr Bean special, there is a lot of

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people in the audience that watch Mr Bean. The point is, this is

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about showing the underdog as well, we are very good at helping losers,

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and I'm wondering whether you know that is necessarily the message we

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want to project now? I think there were lots of profoundly moving and

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very funny moments. I thought it was an opening ceremony that hung

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together. I didn't think there was a lot of sport in it, I was

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surprised by that. Quite often with the opening ceremony of a sporting

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event you would have a sporting motiff, but at the same time it is

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bigger than sport, it is the greatest party on earth. I just

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felt things were sort of jumbled, there were great bits you could

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"cherrypick", I loved the bit about the NHS, that was Danny Boyle

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sticking his neck out. That was important and historically the most

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impressive moment in T we had a quick run through of green and

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pleasant lands, the industrial heritage of East London. But that

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NHS bit would have really resonated with a lot of people. Sticking his

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neck out because he would have upset people with that? A lot of

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people. He is also pointing out what an important part of British

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history that has become. I don't think a lot of people would

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necessarily always look to 1948 and think about it as history. The last

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games were 1948, the establishment of the NHS. Was it, would you take

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away a left-wing reading of British history. It wasn't a celebration of

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Thatcherism, it wasn't, it was quite selective in the, if you like,

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its protest movements more than anything else? Absolutely, even the

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Queen, her part of it was to play the site kick of Bond. I think

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plaudits to Elizabeth II, what a sense of humour, and game approach

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to T to take part in that. I think that was really the wow moment in

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the way as well. It is sort of a left-wing approach, but I didn't

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think it was overbearingly so, so much that it would have turned

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people off. It was an inclusive ceremony. Inclusive was something,

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interestingly enough, was what Danny Boyle spoke about earlier. He

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said he wanted an intimacy about it, and not just spectacle, what about

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the music, Mika, there were a few areas where you thought you were

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going to get a tune, and you got, dare I say it, a medley. Did that

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jar for you, or did it work? actually think the music was quite

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good, given the circumstance, often with Olympic ceremonies the music

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can come across as extremely corny. The world were a lot of songs in

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that mash-up, it was constantly changing. I think dizzy rascal

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probably had the most sustained presence during that thing. It was

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subsequently a bit of a pay-off, he had a presence and made a point.

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Was it too much? It was a little bit jukeboxy before the Dizzie

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Rascal moment. The weakest part for me was the bit about the phone and

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the woman. I thought that was corny, in many ways. I just thought it

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wasn't very necessary. It was essentially a huge excuse for them

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to bringen to Tim Berners-Lee. focus shifts and then you have

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Emilie Sande singing with this extremely beautiful choreography in

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the most simple form, that was eat motional climax of the piece. The

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interesting about it is Danny Boyle approached this -- emotional climax

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of the piece. The interesting thing is Danny Boyle approached it from a

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cinematic man, he made statements that intertwined with each oh the

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most important thing about what he does in his films and what he

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achieved in the ceremony is it was disarming. We looked at the social

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network stuff there, and the phone and the tweets and all the rest of

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it. Do you understand, would you call that quintessentially British?

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Yeah, I would. I would, sure, OK, fine, there were scenes in it, you

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had Wayn, he's World cut into it. It is clash, it is patchwork, it is

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these are the London Games they represent the UK, he did this

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strange tripy, slightly stonery opening ceremony, by other people's

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standards and other countries would be considered way too uncommercial,

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but fundamentally that is British. You had a lesbian kiss in there

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from Brookside, little details of that, would that have happened

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anywhere else in the world, I don't think so, personally.

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Grace? I was going to say I thought the phone part was possibly the

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weakest bit. I loved the idea of celebrating youth and celebrating

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everything we have achieved in music, and celebrating the way we

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party, the way we have fun, I thought that was amazing. I don't

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understand, the mobile phones with everybody communicating with each

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other, that was let down slightly, because it looked like a mobile

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phone advert, but a very bad one. From 15 years ago. Does Twitter

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really look like that. Nowadays mobile phone companies spend so

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much on adverts, suddenly it was a bit. It came together suddenly we

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were all sitting watching and then Dizzie Rascal appeared, and it was

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amazing. Hold those thought, we are going to cross back to Paddy again,

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because Paddy the ceremony is in full swing, I know Grace will

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particularly want to know what she's been missing. Take us through

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a few of the highlights of what we might not have seen, and any news

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on the torch? Grace and Mik a -- Mikah will be horrified to know one

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of the African teams came on to strains of the Pet Shop Boys. It

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took everybody by surprise. There are reports from BBC London

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colleagues that there have been some arrests of cyclists making a

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peddling process, we don't know, many more details about that. One

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Conservative MP on Twitter saying it was a bunch of old lefties, and

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not enough about Shakespeare. I think it does emphasise that you do

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need to have an argument about what kind of Britain we are, and all the

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chattering classes can get very excited. But the whole point of

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this ceremony is to hand over after seven years from an old bus in

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Beijing to the faster, higher, stronger athletes, who have given

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their life for this moment. In the end, the rest of us just shut up

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and watch people performing at the peak of their life's performance.

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Paddy, thank you very much. Peak of your life's performance,

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you know what that feels like, Rachel. You have been part of these.

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It was very noticable how many young kids were in the whole

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ceremony, the whole event, really, because that's the key part of the

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legacy, isn't it? That is what we said, when we won the bid to host

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the games, it was lot about legacy. To say that everyone who has taken

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part in this event tonight are volunteering, to get young children

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to volunteer, that is such a big thing. We have that throughout the

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whole games, with the games makers as well. They are really doing what

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they said and creating legacy. this is about the next Britain,

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what is that Britain, what does this ceremony tell us about our

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country, do you think? I think it told us we are trying to work out

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what we are. It is a process at the moment. You only have to look

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around and raet read a newspaper, there is great sense -- and read a

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newspaper, there is a great sense of uncertainty about the British

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character and what it is and will be. That was reflected in the

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ceremony, there was a confusion and jumble and no path. You were

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agreeing with that, you were brought up in Lebanon? I represent

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that. I was brought up in Lebanon, France and most of my time in

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London. I am this patchwork, I speak two language, but then again

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so do millions of people here, and identify themselves as a Londoner.

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I identify myself as not only a Londoner, but part of the UK. I

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agree with you. I think it is definitely trying to figure out

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what it is. That was represented. You said before that you were

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surprised and impressed with it. You came to the Olympics with a lot

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of angst and anger about the money being spent and what we were doing,

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in austerity times, right? That is not necessarily the case. I think

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definitely that was worth the money. That was a fantastic show. I think

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it illuminate a great deal about what Britain is saying about itself

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at the moment, which is, we are not sure. This is a time of angst and

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uncertainty, and there are lot of different stories to be told, it is

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about people. That is what I found really, really interesting about

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this show, is, despite the huge numbers of people involved, you

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know, the camera came in tight on individual people, individual

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stories, some of them quite corny, but loot of people's individual

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stories in real life tend to be corny. Would you say it is about a

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proud Britain? I thought there was a great deal of humility about T I

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was impressed is there wasn't a celebrity overload. Watching the

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torch go around the country, I saw Jennifer Saunders running with it

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the other day, I thought, fine, isn't it this about ordinary people

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having a chance to carry the torch. In the ceremony today there were

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very few celebrities. They said all the nurses were actually nurses?

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thought there was a sense of had you millity to the whole --

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humility thing. It was taking the piss out of itself, it had the

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bravery and humility to take the pis out of itself -- piss out of

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itself, even the Queen. foreigners and those watching go

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away and say that is a Britain struggling with its self-confidence,

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is that a bad thing? Will they, I don't think they will. We weren't

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struggling there. Going forward, though, one thing I have noticed

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over the last few weeks, months, it is a Britain dragging back the idea

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of the flag, dragging back the idea of being proud of being British,

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and for our own purposes, or nice and good people's purposes. We can

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be proud to be British. And all of us, the whole multicultural society

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here, doing it right now, here. is interesting what the flag has

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now done, and the sense of Britishness has really become, I

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don't know if you feel that? I was on the train down to London today,

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and there was so many people coming in, flag leggings, and flags all

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over them. And with the Jubilee as well this year, you just think,

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people are going absolutely crazy for this new fashion of wearing the

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flag and the GB. I'm sorry we have run out of time. You lot haven't,

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come and join us in the Green Room, we will finish off the winddown,

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that is all from Newsnight tonight. We leave you with a glimpse of how

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far we have come since we last hosted a top-teir international

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sporting tournament who can forget George, the wobbly dragon, a broken

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