12/09/2012 Newsnight


With Kirsty Wark. What really happened at Hillsborough? How is life for gay people in post-Saddam Iraq? And how should America respond to the death of its ambassador in Libya?

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On behalf of the Government, and indeed our country, I'm profoundly


sorry that this double injustice has been left uncorrected for so


long. Our golden summer of sport has been overshadowed by a day of


national disgrace. The inquiry into the Hillsborough disaster is a


devastating document. Andy's body number was number 50. However,


reading a witness statement it appeared that Andrew was given body


number 50, before he was certified dead. The truth is now out, we


examine the failure of the services that led to needless death, the


appalling cover up by police officers, and the spreading of


vicious lies about football fans, many of them printed in the Sun


Newspaper. We will debate the impact of the report with guests,


including Trevor Hicks, who lost two daughters that day, the head of


the police service so damned by the report, and asking how justice will


be done. The Arab Spring success story looks a lot bleaker after the


US Ambassador to Libya is murdered. The loss the ambassador has shocked


America, and brought foreign policy to the fore in the presidential


campaign. And, captured, beaten and murdered


by the police, welcome to life if you are gay in post Saddam Iraq.


They call gays "puppies", they were beaten, saying we are destroying


the country, we must kill you all. Good evening, the Prime Minister


apologised today for the events of the Hillsborough sis SAS ter, for


the long years the familiar -- disaster, for the long years the


families have had to wait for the truth, for the cover up by


ambulance and police services, and the smear campaign by the same


services against entirely innocent football fans and their families.


Relatives heard of the 96 who died, 41 might have lived had the


response of the police and services been better. The Bishop of


Liverpool, who chaired the panel of inquiry, said the disaster was an


open wound in the city. We're in Liverpool tonight.


It's been a terribly long haul for people who had already suffered far


too much in bereavement, but tonight, here, there is a feeling


of a burden, at last, perhaps, being lifted. And the authorities


responsible for all the wrongs, they have been clearly indicted.


All the careless insults about self-pity cities and whingeing


Scousers, they stand exposed as the cruel nonsense they always were.


The people here are no less maudlin than anywhere else, but for 20


years they felled traduced. Over the long years, the pleas of the


fans have grown ever louder, justice for the 96 who died, and


for all their families, and for those who count themselves lucky to


have survived the horrors of Hillsborough. Today that quest for


justice and truth took a delated, but considerable leap forward, the


Government apologised. The new evidence that we are presented with


today makes clear, in my view, that these families have suffered a


double injustice. The injustice of the appalling events, the failure


of the state to protect their loved ones, and the indefensible wait to


get to the truth. And then the injustice of the denegration of the


deceased, that they were some how at fault for their own deaths. So,


on behalf of the Government, and indeed, our country, I'm profoundly


sorry that this double injustice has been left uncorrected for so


long. Tonight, in Liverpool, there has


been a vigil and commemoration, and an overwhelming feeling of relief.


Vindication is the word chosen here, and the report makes it crystal


clear, there was, indeed, a cover- up. The Hillsborough ground had no


safety certificate, and should never have been used, and this was


practically a disaster waiting to happen. The police, the Ambulance


Services and others in authority deliberately misled the public, and


spread lies, wrongly blaming the fans, to hide their own guilt. More


than 20 years ago, Lord Taylor showed how the failure of basic


police management had led to a terrifying crush outside


Hillsborough. I was in it, and explain that night. Those of us who


were trying to get into the Leppings Lane end of the ground,


were preturbed by the add inadequate policing, which led to a


crush and the double gates being open. That led directly to the


killing crush inside, while the police stood and watched. In the


The report says it can find no rational where police Sergeant


David Duckinfield was put in charge. Little regard was paid to crowd


safety, on the dae day he panicked froze and blamed the fans for his


own errors. As for the Ambulance Service that was badly led and


chaotic, and a swifter more appropriate response would have had


the potential to save more lives. Tony Edwards lives in the west of


Scotland, still tormented by what happened in Hillsborough. He was


the one ambulance driver who tried to help striken fans, for years his


evidence was ignored. It is a vindication of everything that I


have said, it is a vindication of everything that the families have


been saying, over the last 23 years. It takes a cursory look, even at


the videos to see that the statements that the Ambulance


Service made at the time were not correct. In total there were three


ambulances got on to the pitch, only my ambulance got up to the


epicentre of the disaster, where actually most people died, is what


I'm saying. The account that was given is that there was something


like, I forget, I think it was something like 40 ambulances were


at the scene. But they weren't on the field, that's never been


questioned properly, really, where were they?


If the emergency services had been run properly, the Hillsborough


panel, suggests, as many as 41 of those who died may have had the


potential to survive. Kevin Williams, who was 15, was one of


them. His mother, who has fought infag teebably to have the inquest


opened, now feels closer to her goal. My son and 95 innocent


Liverpool fans did not die in an accident, they were unlawfully


killed, at the least. There have been precedents before over


inquests, something this big, obviously not, of these proportions.


Particularly when you see the extent in which evidence has been


manipulated and fabricated. That is on one side, then there is the


question of prosecutions, criminal liability. That is possible do you


think? Absolutely possible. story traces the origins of the


smear campaign by the South Yorkshire police against the


Liverpool fans t shows how the story was cooked up in a series of


meetings over three days, between the south Yorkshire Police


Federation, a local Conservative MP, and a Sheffield news agency. The


south Yorkshire Chief Constable, Peter Wright, gave the Police


Federation, what the panel calls, "a free hand", to prepare a rock


solid story, exonerating the police, and blaming drunken, ticketless


fans. The MP, Irvine Patnik, fed it to the agency, and it went national,


most damagingly in the Sun, where it was labelled "the truth".


Tonight the Sun made a gofling apology. The Hillsborough


Indepndent Panel has established what happened that day. It is an


appalling story, and at the heart of it are the police's attempt to


smear Liverpool fans. It is a version of events that 23 years ago


the Sun went along w and for that we are deeply ashamed and


profoundly sorry. We have co- operated fully with the


Hillsborough Indepndent Panel, and will publish reports of their


findings in tomorrow's newspaper. The Hillsborough panel have


produced a devastating report, adding solid evidence, 450,000


documents, now lodged on-line. police officers, many ambulance


staff, many lawyers tried to do their best at the occasion of


Hillsborough, but, some got it badly wrong. That does make it


difficult, it makes it difficult in a personal sense, but what makes it


really strong, then, is to think that we are giving a document that


can actually help make it better for the future. Because these


mistakes don't need to happen again. For the bereaved families, people


like Trevor Hicks, who lost his daughters, Sarah and Vicky, this is


what he has waited for. It means vindication of everything we have


said. With David Cameron's apology we basically have the Prime


Minister saying that all the agencies of the state have let us


down, and worse than that, they have actually worked against us.


The people of Liverpool, the blood liable, that they killed their own,


has been exposed as a lie, tonight though, the battle for the truth is


surely known. In the studio we have the Liverpool


MP, and the Chief Constable of south Yorkshire Police, the force


responsible for policing the football ground, in Liverpool the


former lead singer of The Farm, Peter Hooton, who was at his borrow,


and who has campaigning for victims, and Trevor Hicks, who lost two


daughters. Trevor Tiktaalic, this has been such a long -- Trevor


Hicks, this has been such a long road for you, the relatives had to


do all the heavy lifting, pressing for this kind of inquiry. What has


been the impact on you today with the result? Mixed, we are extremely


grateful to the panel for the very forthright report they have


produced, more forthright than we expected, I must say that. Also, as


you have highlighted in your lead there, we have had some extremely


difficult news to cope with, that is, that potentially up to 41


people could have survived if the response had been better, more co-


ordinated and much quicker. This must have been a shocking


revelation to all the families, after 23 years? Some of it we have


been saying, we feel totally indvaited, we have been vilified by


-- vindicated. We have been vilified by people saying we are


scapegoating and all that sort of thing, from that point of view we


feel fully vindicated for what we have done. We already knew, and we


already suspected lots of what was in it, but if I can speak for


myself, I know it is the case with most of the other families, even we


have been shocked by just how far and how deep this dirty tricks


campaign has gone on. The idea that 41 of the 96 had the possibility


that they would have survived that, had the police and Ambulance


Services acted differently, that in theself, does that make the cover-


up more profoundly shocking? Yes, in very simple terms. It also, as


you would expect, it makes the accidental death verdict totally


untenable now. That's where our next stage of the campaign will go.


That will be to have that squashed, set aside, and new inquests put in


place. If I can just, looking at those statements, 164 statements


were amended, and 160 negative comments about police officers were


removed. 116, is this beyond what you could have imagined? Yes it is,


the numbers get bigger every time it is exposed. We also found from


the documentary evidence that the panel reported on, that there was


actually meetings between the Chief Constable and, what effectively is


the police union, the Police Federation, where they were co-


ordinating their efforts to use the panel's phrase "to build a strong


story", and to have a concerted effort to bring blame on the fans.


We bring in the South Yorkshire Chief Constable, David Crompton,


which is more veepbl, that there was a terrible -- venal, that there


was a terrible cover-up on the day, or they tried to smear people and


their families, surely this is a shaming day for South Yorkshire


Police? Yes, it has been a very uncomfortable day for us. But any


discomfort felt in the force pales into incision compared to Trevor


Hicks and the families, who have been put through 23 years of hell,


really. Here and now can I say I profoundly apologise for the


experience they have been put through and what happened on the


day. Let's look at what we are dealing with here, we are dealing


with a lot of police officers who are still serving, and in those 23


years, when these relatives have been doing so much to try to get to


the truth, there was no-one police whistleblower, there was no-one


police officer coming forward saying, this is a pack of lies, I


behaved badly my colleagues behaved badly. That shows a pretty damning


culture still within South Yorkshire Police? I would say that


in 2012 South Yorkshire Police is a very different place than in 1989.


You only know that from today, presumably, you didn't know until


today how badly the police had behaved? And I would agree that


nobody coming forward over all of that time is damning indictment,


and somebody should have done it. And there's police officers today


who presumably, in your force, you want to go to and say how do you


feel now after 23 years of keeping your mouth shut. Did you know about


this, as a Chief Constable, how much of a cover-up there had been


by individual officers? No, I didn't have any idea of that. I was


as shocked as everybody else when the result of the report came out


this morning. Can we be sure that the cover-up, not in the case of


Hillsborough, we know about that, can you be sure? People in this


country put their trust in police officers to uphold the law, and you


can't be sure that this kind of cover-up, you say the culture has


changed, you don't know that, you can't know that? One concrete


reason I would advance is this, that if we go all the way back to


1989, there was tremendous pressure on Lord Justice Taylor, to come to


the conclusion of his interim report, prior to the commencement


of the next football season. That meant there were a huge number of


statements to be gathered and processed, and they weren't dealt


with in the normal every day way that police officers would deal


with statements, for example, for shoplifting or burglary. In that


sense there was unusual and unique. Therefore, I feel that it's not


something that would be repeated. Trevor Hicks, I just want you to


respond to that. How do you feel about trusting police officers


there on that day to be doing their jobs nowadays? First of all, there


were lots of police officers who did a good job on the day. So, it's


not a universal dam nation, but, I think the -- damnation, but I think


those police officers on the day those police officers who put in


their statements criticism of the force, they were removed. Where


there was any blame put on the fans, they were exaggerated. I understand


the Chief Constable wasn't in post at the time, and again, as we have


said lots of times, over the 23 years, even at the Stuart Smith


inquiry, the fact that the statements had been doctored was


known, and nothing was done about it. Louise Elman, I want to bring


you in on that, exactly what Trevor Hicks was saying, this was known.


Politicians haven't exactly covered themselves in glory over this. Andy


Burnham started three years ago on this, but Will Straw, 13 years ago,


had the opportunity to have -- Jack Straw, 13 years ago, had the


opportunity to have just such an inquiry, and had he done that, the


relatives wouldn't have had to have this for 13 years? The campaign led


by the bereaved and traumatised over the last 23 years has been


totally vindicated. It is shame on everybody involved that we didn't


get to the public truth until today. Had it not been for them, there


were individual politicians, but had it not been for their dogged


persistence to get to the truth, we would never have known it? Today's


revelations, revelations to the whole world, have come about


because of the persistence of those campaigners. Tribute must be made


to them. We must not leave things now. The scale of the organised


conspiracy is outrageous, but we must now move further than that,


now that the world knows the truth, the truth that many people


suspected before, and indeed some knew about before, must now be


exposed. We need a new inquest, and it is very important that the


Attorney General prepares a case with great urgency to the High


Court to have that inquest. Yes, because we were just saying, as


Trevor Hicks was just saying, that police officers who have put in,


not just police officers, they put damning reporting of other police


behaviour, and the general at moss stpoor in the day, they didn't --


atmosphere in the day, they didn't come forward and say we said this


all this time ago, we need to feel that police officers feel able to


come forward and positive about that? What has happened is totally


unacceptable, it is incredible that such a thing happen. Now we know we


have to pursue it further, find out who is responsible, have a new


inquest, so the full truth can now come out. You were also there on


that day, Peter Hooton, you have been part of this long campaign.


How far down the road do you feel we are, is this just the start of a


proper investigation? Let's hope it is the start of a proper


investigation. I mean, obviously the 3.15 cut-off time is very


important. Can you explain the 3.15 cut-off time? That is when the


coroner said that everyone would have received injuries which they


would have died from, or they were already dead. So that's a very


important point. I have just been talking to Andy Burnham about it,


and he hopes that the Attorney General will look at that and apply


to the High Court, it is a very important point that is done.


Liverpool fans have always known the truth from 1989, we have always


known the truth, thank God the world knows the truth now. It has


been a long, hard campaign, we have had a lot of support from a lot of


people from all around the world, especially from the people of


Liverpool, both reds and blues, it has been absolutely remarkable.


Andy Burnham talked about that today. We have in front of us the


original Sun, The "The Truth", which was obviously a pack of lies,


then we have tomorrow morning's front page.


The Sun now says they are profoundly sorry for false reports?


Of course they will be, obviously the report is so damning. I think


even people who thought they knew the truth about Hillsborough were


even shocked by the scale of the revelations today. Everyone was so


emotional in the Cathedral today, we couldn't believe the actual


extent of the cover-up and the collision and the lies at the top


level. -- collusion and the lies at the top live. The Attorney General


has been directed by David Cameron to look very carefully, presumably


the accidental deaths can't stand? It makes an absolute mockery of the


3.15 cut-off. One of the shocking things for the likes of myself, and,


again, the police weren't the only ones to have gone through a


wholesale operation of altering statements. But a lot of the


evidence that the panel put before us today, relating to the emergency


response from the ambulance and medical services, we knew nothing


about. We were totally shocked when they stated categorically, and they


have documentary evidence, including timings that go well


beyond 3.15, and this highlights, yet again, this deliberate attempt,


including the coroner, on this occasion, where they were trying to


rewrite Taylor, and basically, it is just ridiculous. Do you think it


would be a crime if there weren't charges brought? Well, we have a


lot of work to do before we can get to that stage. But, one of the


things going back to the police smear campaign, I understand it is


a criminal activity to use the police computer, there were


apparently looking into the records to see if even some of the children


had a criminal record, and the only reason for doing that, according to


the panel's report, was to gain more information for the smear


campaign. That's a criminal activity, it has taken place, and


there is documentary evidence. Again, I would say to the Chief


Constable, what is he going to do about his officers who were


involved in that? I think that is a question direct to you, Chief


Constable? My position is very simple and straight forward, which


is if people have broken the law, then they should be prosecuted. It


doesn't make any difference if they are a police officer or anybody


else. Will you be looking, does it look to you, you will be looking


presumably of the documentary evidence, does it looks a if they


broke the law? On the face of it, yes. It looks like there are very


serious questions to answer. Will you be suspending, if there is any


serving officers, will you be suspending them? I'm not prepared


to go into that at this stage, but what I will say, is we will treat


this with the utmost seriousness, if people have serious questions to


answer, we will act appropriately. Looking as a Liverpool MP, and I


want to ask others about this as well, what do you think the


atmosphere is in Liverpool, and has been, do you think this has been a


defining feature of Liverpool for the last 23 years? This is dae


fining moment. I think today -- a defining moment. I think today has


brought a number of emotions, relief, that at long last what


people believed to be the case has now been revealed to the world.


Anger that it took so long, and deep distress at hearing those


terrible reports, the information revealed by the work of the bishop


and the panel, and what happened to individual people. Absolute horror


at the scale of the organised conspiracy to blame the fans for


their own deaths. So, I think it is a mixture of emotions. Nothing can


bring back those who have died, but people can try to seek some sort of


Jews at this, that is why a new inquest is so essential. There


should be further investigations to identify those responsible for the


dreadful acts that have now been releeld. Peter Hooton, tell me what


you think this has contributed toe the idea of the city. You said good


because Everton and Liverpool fans coming together, has it had a big


impact on the city? The city has come together because of this. We


were on tour with the Stone Roses in the summer and others from Cast,


we have been on tour, taking the message of justice all around


Europe. This is not a football tragedy, people always said that to


me, this is a human tragedy, the spirit we have seen, obviously


Liverpool showed a lot of spirit, but we have had a lot of help from


people all around the world. This is a collective campaign. Everyone


should be congratulated over the campaign, and not giving up. We did


have our hard times, we did have times when we thought we are not


getting anywhere, it was began vanised in the release of the 20th


century Fields of Anfield, and the publicity it generated, with the


crowd of over 35,000 at the memorial, unprecedented. Finally,


Trevor Hicks, after today presumably as the support group


regroups and plans your next move? We don't need to regroup, we have


never ungrouped. I just mean after today? It is OK Kirsty, I'm not


trying to be pedantic. We obviously have a lot of work to do, we have


400,000 documents to wade through. Even reading the panel's report


will take us some time. We are already moving on some of this, we


have two eminent lawyers, they will take the long-term look. But, yeah,


we will do that. If I come back to David Cameron's statement, he said


categorically that the state had let us down. We will give the state


the opportunity to put that right. But if it looks as though they are


not going to do that, we will do as we have done it before, we will


take it out of their hands. Thank you very much.


The future for Libya is one of the great success stories of the Arab


Spring, and has now been cast into doubt, as Christopher Stephens, the


bams dor to Libya, and three embassy staff, were killed in an


attack in Benghazi last night. Some local residents said Islamist


gunmen involved in the attack were blaming America because of a film


on YouTube they said insulted the Prophet Muhammad. Looters were said


to be leaving the scene carrying office furniture and equipment. It


has done little to quell the instable security situation after


Gadaffi. US President, Barack Obama, branded the killing an outrageous


attack, and ordered increased security at US diplomatic posts


worldwide. The United States condemns in the strongest terms,


this outrageous and shocking attack. We are working with the Government


of Libya to secure our diplomats. I have also directed my


administration to increase security at diplomatic posts around the


world. Make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan Government to


bring, to justice, the killers who attacked our people. What is the


future for the American diplomatic mission in Libya. Our diplomatic


correspondent is in Washington. First of all, what do we know about


this attack, and who was behind it? Well, essentially, there were


protests in both Cairo, the capital of Egypt, and in Libya, Benghazi,


the second city of Libya, yesterday. Apparently, Salafi, a militant


Islamic station had been doing some programme material about this film,


defaming Islam, and this whipped up the protesters. This morning people


awoke in Washington to a real bombshell, which was that the


ambassador and three other people had been killed. Apparently trying


to rescue staff in that Benghazi consulate. They were killed by fire,


it wasn't clear actual fire or gunfire. Suddenly it became a huge


story. Whatever the anti- Americanism in the world, it is the


best part of 33 years since an American ambassador was actually


killed in the line of duty. Suddenly it became a big issue.


Today there has been speculation here that this protest may have


provided a cover for militant groups, being called Ansar al-


Sharia by some people, to stage a deliberate armed attack on the


Benghazi facility, obviously on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.


What is the reaction to that in the US? There has been a very big


political reaction here. It has impacted on the presidential


election campaign. Governor Mitt Romney, the challenger, yesterday


spoke out, attacking what he has characterised as a mealy-mouthed


response to the initial protest, from the US embassy in Cairo.


Obviously since everyone went to bed last night and woke up this


morning, it was clear it was a much more serious thing than thought.


The governor himself, Mitt Romney, came under attack from the Obama


campaign, the President has described him as shooting first and


taking aim later. Saying he flew off on the handle, criticising the


administration, and trying to condemn anti-Islamic sentiment,


when its embassy had been attacked in Cairo and should have taken a


more robust line, that was the Romney approach. Now he appears to


be in some political difficulty over it. He says he's sticking to


his line, that is part of his general critque of President


Obama's policies, he has been too supine.


The removal of Saddam Hussein was supposed to mean the end of brutal


repression and the persecution of his own people, and yet, a


Newsnight investigation has learned that in today's Iraq, if you are


gay, there is every possibility you will be targeted, beaten up and


murdered at the hands of the Iraqi police. Numbers are difficult to


verify, but the United Nations confirmed it is extremely concerned.


Despite homosexuality being technically legal in Iraq, the


Government appears happy to turn a blind eye to the killings.


The list first appeared in the streets of Sadr City, "in the name


of God the merciful, the forewarned are forearmed". They gave names and


addresses of the shameless, and the immoral. By 2009 the witch-hunt had


begun. We had cases where heads were cut


off the bodies and stuffed into stomachs, or heads bashed with


concrete block, or metal rods drilled through skulls. They think


that by killing them they are cleansing the society. This is a


story of modern-day Iraq, where young men and women are killed for


being gay. A lot his changed in Baghdad since I was last year two


years ago. The American troops are now gone. Explosions, still happen,


but they are a lot more rare. While this is still a very dangerous city,


life here out in the streets does feel a lot more normal. But what


has also changed is that, for one group of people, Baghdad today is


more dangerous than ever before. These days it is the clothes or


your haircut that could determine whether you live or die in Baghdad.


The anti-gay campaign by militia groups in Baghdad has been well


documented. But the evidence we have uncovered, shows that the


country's western-backed Government, is complicit in the deadly


persecution of gays in Iraq. It is here, in Sadr City, one of the most


conservative, most volatile districts of Baghdad, that the


campaign against gays first began. In 2009 Human Rights Watch said


dozens, possibly hundreds of gays in Iraq were being killed. Some, by


their own families, but most, by Shi'ite militia men. The report,


included descriptions of horrific torture practices. One way to kill,


it said, was to glue shut a victim's an news, and force feed


him laxatives. Mutilated bodies of gay men were often discovered in


rubbish dump. But these days, it is the endless police and military


checkpoints, all around Baghdad, that gay men say pose the greatest


threat to them. It is not militia men that these people are hiding


from, it is the police. They arrived at the safe house a few


days ago, after police raided their old flat. The two were out, but


their roomate had been arrested. Their new roomate, Ahmed, has been


here for two months now. Ever since his own family threatened to kill


him. I am so tired, so sad, I have no freedom. I really wish we could


show you their faces, Ahmed has got big, dark, worried eyes on his thin


face. Nancy is really pretty, and I would have never guessed that she


was born male. And Alu has got this very trendy haircut, which would be


completely normal in the west, but here in Iraq, this sort of hair


could get you killed. TRANSLATION: The threat is bigger than before,


now it is not only the militia, it is the Government going after us.


TRANSLATION: I can't tell you how many times I have been raped at


checkpoints, with the police it is countless. The worst incident was


at a checkpoint in the street, they asked me for my ID, then asked me


to get out of the car, they put me against the blast wall, nine of


them raped me. The stories of rape, by the same


people who oppose homosexuality, are mind-boggling. But it is also a


reflection of the way that men and women in this conservative society


relate to each other. The man who is raped, which is considered like


the female part of a gay relationship, that is the man to be


killed. Not the man who is raping, not the rapist. Although both are


supposed to be in a homosexual relationship, but still, the idea


is that the masculine part of the relationship, is a hero.


Ironically, it was under Saddam Hussein that gays in Iraq enjoyed


the most freedom. As the humiliation of the US-led


occupation gave rise to more radical, more conservative groups,


tolerance, especially towards anything perceived as western,


became increasingly scarce. Ask anyone in the streets of


Baghdad, and they will give you a long list of reasons, cultural and


religious, as to why homosexuality is not accepted here. But what's


happening in Iraq goes far beyond this stigma and homophobia that


exists everywhere in the Middle East. Here, there is very clear


evidence of systematic and organised persecution of people who


are believed to be gay. This man in mourning, a former


police employee, six weeks ago he came to work to find his boyfriend


in a pretrial detention cell. There was no official arrest warrant, and


there was nothing he could do to help. TRANSLATION: Being gay is not


illegal in Iraq, it is not a crime. But he was told he was arrested


because he was gay. They call gays "puppies", they would beat him,


saying the puppies are destroying the country, and that they must rid


the country of them, and they must kill them all. He was in the police


station for a week. He died a week -- after a week, a day after he


visited him. TRANSLATION: I was so upset, I lost control, I had a


fight with the guards, I said why did you kill my lover. They said,


since you are like him, you should be dead too.


His boyfriend received the first threats in February, around the


same time when the Iraqi media reported that dozens of young men


were being targeted in Baghdad. They called them Emos, short for


"emotionals", in Iraq they are often associated with gays. In


response the Iraq Interior Ministry released a response, saying the


Emos phenomenon was Satanic and had to be eradicated. 12 deaths were


then confirmed, this boy was among them, the UN believes the number


was much higher. One local organisation in Baghdad, which


monitors the events, believes that the Iraqi political establishment


was behind the killings. They put guards in front of the, on the


gateways of universities, the guards, these policemen, began to


threaten the young men that, if they do not cut their hair short,


if they do not dress in a respectable way, "respectable",


that they, the policemen cannot guarantee the safety of the young


men. So it was another way of the Government to tell all the young


people, if you do not submit to a traditionalwear, and to a


religiously accepted hairstyle and appearance, you will be killed.


With so much fear, loathing and secrecy, it is difficult to


establish the exact level of the Government's involvement in the


anti-gay campaign. But the accounts of 17 gay men interviewed for this


film are consistent. All said the Interior Ministry statement spark


add new wave of violence. All have had friends or boyfriends killed,


all said arrests were still happening.


The Interior Ministry ignored our numerous requests for comment. The


Ministry of Human Rights said that it couldn't help gay people,


because they were not considered a minority in Iraq. I went to see Ali


al-Dabbagh, who speaks on behalf of Iraq's Prime Minister, Nour al-


Maliki. International organisations and independently we have seen


evidence that homosexuals have suffered a great deal in the hands


of the Iraqi police and the army? This country got a different habit


and customs, which look to the homosexual in different way, which


look to them in the west. We are talking about systematic and quite


organised persecution and killings of gay men and women, what is the


Iraqi Government doing to stop that? Definitely we stop it already,


we don't have now any cases which are violent. We don't have that big


number of homosexuals and gays, the gays should respect the behaviour


and the moral values of the others, in order to be respected. This is


bait like telling a black person not to be black? No, that is nature,


by nature he's a black. What's homosexuality? It is not by nature,


it is a behaviour. Ali al-Dabbagh also told me if there were any


policemen violating human rights, they were acting as individuals.


And that they were likely to be militia men who have infiltrated


the police or the army. Not a single politician or public


figure in Iraq has stootd up to stop the kill -- stood up to stop


the killings. Activists say up to 1,000 gays have been murdered in


Iraq since 2004, most of them in recent years. A drop in the ocean


of tens of thousands of deaths. But, here is why, some believe, these


targeted killings are destroying the very promise of a free Iraq.


you live in a community where one person does not feel safe, they


will kill him, when they finish him, they will turn to the second person,


you stay quiet, the third person, they will come then, then they will


kill you, and nobody will speak. If we stay quiet about the killing of


the gay person, the women will be killed, the other marginalised will


be killed, other minorities will be killed, and none of us will be


around. It's like we don't exist, Nancy,


said to me. The Government doesn't want them to


exist. It won't deliver them from those who think that they deserve


to die. This morning Germany's highest court gave the green light


for the country to ratify the ESM, Europe's new 500 billion euro bail


out fund, raising hopes that the eurozone might be moving towards a


resolution of the three-year debt crisis. Thousands of petitioners


had appealed to the Supreme Court, claiming that a permanent bail out


fund breached Germany's constitution, so will this decision


have an immediate impact around the eurozone. I have been hearing, from


the German Deputy Finance Minister, Steffen Kampeter, and asked him if


there was ever any doubt over the decision, given the court had never


ruled against the Government before? You can never be sure in


front of the constitutional call, I appreciate the decision, because it


makes clear that our Government position is in line with the German


constitution. The clear message out of Germany to Europe, is the


European stablisation mechanism is able to start now. The courts said


the Government would have to vote on any extension to the bail out,


do you think that will placate the German people? Germany is profiting


politically and economically out of the European integration. It is the


most profitable nation over the last decade. Therefore, it is my


understanding that Germany can't just take something out of the


European integration, but sometimes has to invest. Do you think today's


decision has made it easier or tougher for Germany to bail out


vulnerable countries? I see it as the decision of the constitutional


call to calm down the debate. The opponents have no longer the


argument, that this movement into the stablisation mechanism is anti-


constitutional. This gives everybody the chance to calm down


and concentrate on the development of the ESM and other focuses,


enhancing competitiveness through all over Europe, and stablising the


budget. Mario Draghi of the ECB has announced there will be an


unlimited buying spree of sovereign bonds, Angela Merkel backed that,


but the Bundesbank was very critical. It is not good for the


Chancellor to be seen to be going against the Bundesbank?


understanding of the decision of the ECB is it is part of the


mandate to stablise the currency by the means they have. The European


policies, and the European heads of states and fiscal policies have to


do what is their job, that means we are not working in the field of


monetary policies, we are working on the field of stablising our


budget and enhancing competitiveness and growth.


Everybody has to do his own job, I very much appreciate the work of


the European Central Bank, but it is independent, and therefore, I


won't want to further comment on it. On the question of Greece, the


Greek Finance Minister has announced that Greece is going to


look into just how much money is owed to them by Germany in war


reparations, what do you make of that? We closed the debate on that


years ago, and we won't open it again. It was said at the weekend


that the problems of the eurozone might best be solved by Germany


leaving, should Germany leave the eurozone? That comment was made by


someone who has quite good experience from bringing currencies


into trouble, as the UK knows from the 1990, I don't much appreciate


his political recommendations. Our path is quite clear, we want to


keep Europe strong and united. Because we are challenged by the


emerging countries, we are challenged by China and the United


States, and only a united Europe means the strong Europe. This is a


good chance, for example, for the United Kingdom, and for Germany, as


well, the more intense we go on the integrated path to Europe.


Thank you very much. That's all from Newsnight tonight, we want to


leave you with a piece of near history. The national media museum


in Bradford will tomorrow unveil the earliest colour moving pictures


ever made. Filmed in 1901 by the inventor Edward Turner, they offer


a glimpse of a world we only see A chilly night tonight, means a


particularly fresh start in the morning. The sunshine will lift


temperatures but in the north outbreaks of cloud affecting


Scotland and the eastern coast. Some showery rain to the north-east


of England. In the Pennines brighter skies, a fine day for much


of the Midlands and East Anglia and the south-east. A chilly start by


the afternoon, 19 or 20 is possible. A bit more cloud in the afternoon


across south-west England. Again, many places dry and fine. It will


turn breezey later in the day. That breeze picking up in west Wales,


throwing a lot more cloud here, the north coast of Wales should hang on


to some bright or sunny spells, as should eastern parts of Northern


Ireland, where we could reach 18 or 19. Cloudier in the west. Some


light drizzley rain on the north coast of Northern Ireland.


Particularly wet in western Scotlandment here the winds really


picking up, getting very gusty indeed this time tomorrow. Friday


promise as lot of cloud across northern Britain, and fairly strong


and gusty winds, a few scattered showers here and there, focus aid


cross North West Scotland. Further south many places looking dry on


Friday, feeling cooler than those temperatures would suggest because


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