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It's an ill wind, a week to the US election, and a Hurricane strikes | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
the east coast. Both candidates start talking about the weather. | :00:17. | :00:24. | |
Could the weather speak back. A force more powerful than the most | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
powerful man on earth, could reshape the outcome. A race that | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
has become closer and closer, is suddenly in the hands of something | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
beyond the control of any man or woman. | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
The epicentre of the Hurricane dubbed the Frankenstorm, will hit | :00:39. | :00:48. | |
America, while we're on air. But already, it's causing havoc. We | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
have a Democrat Democrat and a Republican to second guess the | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
outcome. A million middle-class families will receive a letter this | :00:57. | :01:03. | |
month, telling them how much child benefit they will lose. This is a | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
benefit many MPs think should be preserved. It is a lot of pain and | :01:07. | :01:12. | |
very little gain. The Treasury thinks they will raise �2.5 billion | :01:12. | :01:19. | |
ay, but I suspect a lot will be written off. Is the fiscal pain | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
worth the political gain, we will ask this lot. Is this dull-looking | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
machine on our set the future of the Industrial Revolution. It will | :01:29. | :01:39. | |
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not just print on paper, but a real 3D pen. | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
A week tomorrow, a America chooses who is to be the next President. | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
Safe to say that million of Americans on the east coast, | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
including the two main candidates, have other things on their mind, in | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
the form of the benignly named monster, Hurricane Sandy. It is | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
expected to hit land in the next hour. On this side of the Atlantic, | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
where the Met Office hyperventilates at mild drizzle, | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
extreme weather is a form of pornography. In the US it is all | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
too real. We're in Washington tonight. | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
Where is this Hurricane tonight, Mark? It is hitting the eastern sea | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
board of the United States. It is a natural disaster, on an epic scale. | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
60 million people affected, two million, it is estimated, have | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
already lost power. Now this lashing I'm getting from the rain | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
is in Washington DC, winds here are about 40-50 miles per hour at the | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
moment. They will peak at around 80 later this evening. The real centre | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
of this, though, the area people are really worried about, is a | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
couple of hundred miles to the north, New Jersey, New York itself, | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
reports tonight that power is being cut off in lower Manhatten, the | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
centre of the financial industry. What is the expected or anticipated | :02:57. | :03:03. | |
effect of this on the election? wouldn't think that this could | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
really tip the contest one way or the other, but the two candidates | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
are so close together, the pollsters are refusing to say who | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
they think at this stage would win. It is well within the margin of | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
error, that any small incremental political factor could tip it for | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
one side or the other. Quite a lot of people tonight are speculating | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
that this could play very much into President Obama's hands. Allowing | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
him to take the reins of power, to manage the response to the disaster, | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
stalling the called Romney surge in its tracks. There are those who | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
think there are dangers too for the President, even the slightest slip | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
on his part could give the Romney camp that necessary margin for | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
victory. It is the kind of speculation that has been building, | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
along with the storm, all day. This morning the Hallowe'en | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
Superstorm. An historic force of nature, three storm systems | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
colliding at once. 50 million people in its path, bracing for | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
storm surges up to 11-feet high. this country there are plenty of | :04:07. | :04:14. | |
people make a living finding a drama in a crisis. In the tsunami | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
of superlatives, Hurricane Sandy will be the worst storm for 100 | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
years, a vortex of winds and water. Even if it doesn't quite live up to | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
that, lives will almost certainly be lost, and state governors have | :04:27. | :04:34. | |
been using that grim probability to concentrate minds. There will be | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
people who die and are killed in this storm, we are ordering, and | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
urging, all Marylanders to stay off the road for the next 36 hours. | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
They are very dangerous conditions out there, we ask you not to put | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
yourselves or your family in jeopardy, and not to put our first | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
responders in jeopardy by irresponsibly going out on the | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
roads. Thousands of flights cancelled. Along with the dire | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
warnings have come panic-buying, and a lock-down of much of the | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
eastern sea board. The federal Government has shut down, as have | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
railways, airports and subways. In New Jersey in New York, where sea | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
level rises of up to 10 feet are being forecast, there could be | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
widespread flooding. Even next week's elections could be hit. How | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
does the storm complicate the elections? If the storm had hit a | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
few days later, it might have affected election day. In America | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
we are vote ago lot more before election day than we used to, | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
voting at voting site. In key states there is voting going on | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
today and tomorrow, some of those days will be disrupted. Election | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
early voting allows you the flexibility of voting another day. | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
I'm not sure those people will ultimately stay home. Certainly the | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
election is being directly affected by the storm over the next few days. | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
Are these wise precautions or a case of national hysteria, we will | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
know the answer by this time tomorrow. One thing is clear, | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
though, from the politics of this situation, both of the men running | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
for President know that it's far more dangerous for them to | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
underplay the gravity of this situation, than it is to overstate | :06:10. | :06:18. | |
So both candidates have cancelled their campaign events. The | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
President, mindful of the damage that Hurricane Katrina did his | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
predecessor, seven years ago, is very publicly taking charge of the | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
relief efforts. Please listen to what your state and local officials | :06:32. | :06:39. | |
are saying. When they tell you to evacuate, you need to evacuate. Do | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
not delay, don't pause, don't question the instructions that are | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
being given, because this is a serious storm, and it could | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
potentially have fatal consequences if people haven't acted quickly. | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
it relevant in the election, does it possibly provide a Catriona at | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
the moment for the President, or is it just not on that sort of level? | :07:01. | :07:11. | |
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As we sit here, we will see. Presidential campaigns are about | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
enhancing your positives and minimising your negatives. | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
Campaigns are about driving home your message, and leaving as little | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
as possible to chance. Now you have a potentially historic storm | :07:25. | :07:32. | |
dropped into the final stages of an American political campaign. | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
Katrina is, perhaps, potentially the great risk for the Obama | :07:36. | :07:42. | |
administration. If you drop a Katrina-like performance into the | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
latter stages of a political campaign, it is going to have an | :07:45. | :07:52. | |
effect. It will feed existing perceptions and enhance your | :07:52. | :07:59. | |
opposition's narrative. Special coverage starts right now. | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
From ABC News, live in times square. For the Republican challengers, on | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
the stump today in Ohio, the storm risks checking the momentum built | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
up recently by their campaign. Today when we get home, put in our | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
prayers the people in the east coast in the wake of this big storm | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
that's coming. Let's not forget those fellow Americans of our's. | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
This evening, the force of the storm is intensifying, and across | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
the east of this country people await the outcome of the struggle | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
against the elements and of which of the candidate might turn the | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
storm to his political advantage. To discuss the political stakes of | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
this perfect storm we have Robert Reich, the former labour secretary | :08:46. | :08:52. | |
under Bill Clinton, in the positively Bambi conditions of 28 | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
degrees in California sun. And we have Zosia Mamet former adviser to | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
George Bush. Start -- Pippa Malmgren, former adviser to gub. | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
Will this have bir bipartisan results or favour one candidate | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
over the other? I don't think the storm will have significant | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
consequences in this election one way or another, to the extent that | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
it has any consequences at all. It strikes me it is most likely to | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
improve Obama's chances. Within the nation is in peril, or when a | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
significant part of the nation is under some sort of danger, the | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
country, at least in the United States, tends to remember why they | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
want Government, why they want a strong Government, why leadership | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
is important, why they respect and need a strong leader in the form of | :09:41. | :09:48. | |
the President. Whoever is President, therefore, has a natural, almost | :09:48. | :09:56. | |
inevitable chance to show that kind of leadership. George Bush didn't | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
obviously win Katrina-hit New Orleans, but many politicians and | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
Government generally have learned from Katrina, that Barack Obama is | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
going to, he already has, taken charge. Right, Pippa Malmgren? | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
respectfully disagree. We are used to storms all the time in the | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
United States. This is a big one, no question about it. People | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
wouldn't even remember Katrina had it not been for the levys being | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
breached in New Orleans and a city coming to so much damage. It is all | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
the magnitude. People also remember George Bush was said to have been | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
extremely slow to react there? remember in the United States, it | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
is not the role of the President of the United States to respond to | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
this kind of event. The state authorities are the ones who define | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
the response. We're in the middle of a presidential election? That is | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
why the danger for President Obama is that he responds in a way that | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
the public perceives to be strictly for electioneering purposes. He | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
must be careful not to overplay his hand. The key thing is voter | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
turnout, that is what mass most for the Democrats, anything that | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
damages voter turnout is a problem for him. I think the storm will | :11:05. | :11:14. | |
have passed by the time we get to polling. On one point it is | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
important to know that the federal Government does have an important | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
role to play. That is with the Federal Emergency Management Agency. | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
That is the federal agency that co- ordinates, not only the defence | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
department, Homeland Security, but other branches and agencies of | :11:28. | :11:37. | |
Government, when it comes to a natural disaster. That is where | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
Government -- George W Bush let America down. This is where | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
President Obama can help with his public image, and in practical ways, | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
to ensure that the Federal Emergency Management Agency does | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
its work. Mitt Romney rgd a few week ago that under -- argued a few | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
weeks ago that the agency ought to be disbanded and the responsibility | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
left up to the state. That is an interesting perspective. Most | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
natural disasters are not limited to one state. This particular | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Hurricane, Hurricane Sandy, is affecting six or seven states. | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
Pippa Malmgren, at the very least, OK, the storm may be over by next | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
Tuesday, it probably will be, but the most recent memory people will | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
have of the President is of a man who appeared to be seized of the | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
importance of the situation and ready to act? I think the bottom | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
line is that this is not a race against George W Bush, nor is it a | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
race about this Hurricane. I think this is an easy excuse to move away | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
from the fundamental facts, which is Romney is pulling ahead in Ohio, | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
which is state that isn't going to be very affected by this. Possibly, | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
but in the meantime, Mitt Romney can't get out there and campaign | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
about unemployment and foreign policy mistakes as he sees them and | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
the rest? The Midwest isn't as affected by this as the east coast. | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
The east coast is shut down, they are shutting down highways in | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
connet kit. The middle of the country is where the vote will be | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
decided. That is the key to the race. The bottom line is this is | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
the closest presidential race in modern history, tighter than the | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
Carter-Regan race. It will be a photo finish, and the risks is if | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
Obama is lucky enough to win, he may win the Electoral College and | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
lose the popular vote, which means he won't have a mandate. At best, | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
for Romney, he can win the popular vote, and the Electoral College. I | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
think that understanding the true state of play in the race is the | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
most important thing to your viewers. Robert Reich? We have come | :13:41. | :13:51. | |
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a long way from the storm now? most recent case of elections where | :13:51. | :13:58. | |
we had a close race was Bush against Gore, I think that pippa is | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
right, most -- Pippa is right, most Americans don't feel imperiled by | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
the storm, but they are still reminded by the storm of the | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
importance of Government. I think it is also important to say, that | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
we all, here in the United States, and I assume you in Britain, hope | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
that this storm does not have a devastatingly negative impact on | :14:20. | :14:28. | |
life, and limb. The politics come secondary, nobody, I don't think | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
anybody in washing, either Mitt Romney or -- Washington, either | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
Mitt Romney or Barack Obama are thinking about the election at this | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
point in time? I have to disagree, think everybody is thinking first | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
and foremost about the election. The storm just destroys the bunting | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
up and about in towns and places. The key here is, this is the kind | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
of race where we could see the vote being so close that observers call | :14:53. | :15:00. | |
for counts. And I do think you are right to say the Bush-Gore race, | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
the risk that we have that kind of altercation over a small number of | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
votes in a specific location, is very high, given how tight this | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
race is. Thank you very much. Now, if you are lucky enough to | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
earn more than �50,000, or you live with someone who earns more than | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
�50,000 a year, and have children, look out for a letter this week. It | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
will contain glad tidings that the amount of money you can expect the | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
state to pay you is going to be cut. Your child benefit might even be | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
cut to nothing. The letter is part of the attempt to cut public | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
spending, and based on the idea that the better off should | :15:40. | :15:50. | |
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contribute more than the less well off. The official inquiries and | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
reports detail any number of Government cock-ups. But could | :15:53. | :16:02. | |
there be a new one looming. One that we could tentatively call | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
"baby shambles". It is going to be a lot of pain and very little gain. | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
The Treasury thinks they will raise �2.5 billion a year from this, I | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
suspect a lot of money will be written off, and it will be a | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
massive administrative burden in years to come. The first couple of | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
years it will be very, very difficult to administer. Hopefully | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
after that it will settle down and people will understand what they | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
need to do and not do. The changes are in child benefit, | :16:32. | :16:38. | |
and will affect around 1.2 million families. It could mean that 70% of | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
them lose all of their child benefit, another 30% will lose part, | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
the average loss will be something like �1300 a year. It will mean | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
that roughly half a million people will now have to fill in a self- | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
assessment tax form when previously they didn't. To be fair, we don't | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
yet know whether this will turn out to be a babyshamble, but, from | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
January 7th nexty, George Osborne is trying to deliver on his promise | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
to withdraw child benefit from the better off. Instead of simply not | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
paying them the money, he wants them not to claim it. Or rather, in | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
the official advice from HMRC, but to claim the benefit, but elect not | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
to take the money. If they do take it, it will be clawed back from the | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
highest paid member of the household, via the tax system. You | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
can see why some think this might get rather complicated. | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
difficulty is, that the mother, typically, claims the child benefit, | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
and then, the clawback is through the self-assessment tax system. If | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
you have, for example, a mother staying at home, not working, | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
claiming child benefit, it is the husband who is working, if he's | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
earning more than �50,000, he's going to have to do a self- | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
assessment tax return, because he will have the clawback of that | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
child been fit. And many have identified other potential problems | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
with this. Not least many Conservative MPs think that their | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
party should be in the business of simplifying the tax system, not | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
adding another layer of complexity. And, they think, it also sends the | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
wrong message as regards aspiration. David Cameron, quite rightly, made | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
the case that we have to be on the side of aspiration, and of the | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
strivers, at his most recent party conference. One of the biggest | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
problems I have with what is being propose the at the moment, it is | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
precisely those strivers, people who are aspirational, will get | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
worst hit from this. I accept this as a central London MP, someone in | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
my seat earning �50,000 a year isn't in the ranks of the | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
superwealthy, which isn't like that in other parts of the UK. There is | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
this big worry that we will end up clobbering a lot of people who are | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
some of the most hard working people, and most likely Tory voting | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
aspirational people. That doesn't make too much sense. This is only | :19:01. | :19:08. | |
the Government's second attempt to get the policy right to be pair. | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
They started off saying that higher rate taxpayers would be the ones to | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
lose child benefit, but there were cries about cliff edge issues. Now | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
the claimants are the better off, it shows how fiendishly difficult | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
it is to withdraw benefits from anybody, even in the teeth of a | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
definite reduction programme. I don't expect them to welcome this. | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
I perfectly understand why people who don't feel wealthy, of course, | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
may not feel wealthy at all, given all the other costs they face today, | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
don't like this change. But I would ask them to reflect for a minute | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
that there are many other people. The vast majority of people in this | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
country, who are on much lower incomes than them, and who are also | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
having to make sacrifices. When George Osborne announced this | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
policy change, way back in 2010, he had had no intention of ever | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
implementing it. That is why the details were so sketchy. Together, | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
in the national interest, thank you very much. He wanted to get the | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
political credit from being prepared to hit the better off, but | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
would, it is argued, some time around now, say, you know what, the | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
deficit he reduction is going so well, we don't actually have to | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
follow through. Cue another round of applause for Mr O. In 2010 we | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
needed to make statement about universal benefits, a statement | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
made about being all in this together. There was hope at that | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
juncture, by the time we were in the second half of the parliament, | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
many of the most acute financial problems would be behind us. That's | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
why, as I say, I'm very much supportive of the Government in | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
trying to get the deficit down, therefore I wouldn't want to be | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
seen that I'm just standing on behalf of a small minority. It | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
seems to me this child benefit reform has all the makings of | :20:57. | :20:59. | |
something that could be politically very difficult for the Government, | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
but also it is going to raise far less money than we think. It would | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
be a sense of injustice. Remember that the overwhelming | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
majority of child benefit climbants won't be affected at all, -- | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
claimants won't be affected at all. Today the Government released | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
polling data which suggested the vast majority of voters, including | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
the better off, think this is a good idea. Whether that still holds | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
true when it starts costing them money, that is another matter. | :21:30. | :21:36. | |
Let's discuss a bit of this with David Grossman. There is a piece in | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
tomorrow morning's Telegraph that is quite complicated on the legal | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
aspect of this. Yes, the headline that child benefit cuts might be | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
illegal. It shows how complex this issue is, and how little time the | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
Government has to nail down all the angles on this before January 7th. | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
The Institute of Chartered accountants of England and Wales, a | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
trade body, have suggested in their briefing to MPs on the subject, | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
that this move might be illegal because it is discriminatory. If | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
you imagine two workers both on �06,000, side by side, one of them | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
gets benefits from another European country, as they are entitled to do, | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
because they are a national of that country, but they both pay tax in | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
the UK. So a British person and a European national paying tax in the | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
UK, the same rate of tax, they earn exactly the same, one of them will | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
have their child benefit clawed back and the other won't. The | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
chartered institute reckon that is discriminatory. Under European law. | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
What do the Treasury say about that? The Treasury, I have been in | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
touch, they say this is not a new objection or oh, they say they have | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
got very -- observation, they say they have strong legal advice to | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
say they are fully entitled to tax people in this country, | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
irrespective of whatever benefits they get elsewhere. They are | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
confident, but we have seen in the past that doesn't mean if it came | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
to a legal challenge they would necessarily win. | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
The Treasury didn't want to talk about this with us here tonight. | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
But instead we have the Conservative MP, Nadhim Zawahi, the | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
Shadow Treasury Minister, Chris Leslie, and Cole Porter from the | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
Institute of Economic Affairs. Why do you want to penalise people who | :23:16. | :23:23. | |
are working hard, and doing reasonably well? We don't. But we | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
are, because of Chris's party, still, today, borrowing �426 | :23:28. | :23:34. | |
million a day. When we go to bed tonight, and wake up tomorrow, we | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
will have notched up another �426 million. We have to balance the | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
books. And we have said those with the broadest shoulders should bear | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
the greatest pain. But you don't want to do this? Hold on a second, | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
let me finish on this point, it is an important point. It is only the | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
15% of the top earners in the country, who are, at the moment, | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
the beneficiaries of the child benefit, that will be affect. 80%, | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
your piece earlier shows will not be affected by this. I have just | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
had a baby in the Zawahi family. Congratulations? Why should the | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
strivers of the country, people working really hard, trying to pay | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
their bills, when we are cutting welfare, why should they pay for | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
child benefit for my daughter. don't know, I don't understand why | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
you don't want to cut it. You said you don't want to cut it. You don't | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
want to do this? We don't want to do it, because it is taking away | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
something from people who themselves are having to cope with | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
bills. Do you support the measure? | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
chaotic shambles, clawing back universal child benefit. You have | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
to be kidding, this is, by all standards, one of the most | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
unthought through changes in the tax system. Not only are you going | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
to get, what is it, a million people receiving letters, | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
explaining them that, well you have to talk to your partners about your | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
income, if you can't find out about that, you can ring up HMRC, they | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
will tell you if partner has higher or lower earnings, but not the | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
whole thing. The whole thing is a bureaucratic expense. Let me ask | :25:09. | :25:16. | |
about that very question. I would love nothing more than reverse this | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
particular policy. Heaven knows what the state of the public | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
finances by 2015, if you think borrowing is bad now, it is going | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
up under your Government. You are not making a commitment you would | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
reverse it if you regain power? need a defence of some of these | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
universal benefits. The next stop will be universal NHS. You will not | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
defend them by restoring them? key thing to mention is they are | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
talking about taxing the highest earners. You can't give a straight | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
forward answer to a straight forward question? Why give a tax | :25:46. | :25:52. | |
cut to people on �150,000 above, it is a completely inconsistent policy | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
from the Government. You shouldn't separate out universal benefits | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
from the wider tax system, the wealthiest people should pay more. | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
What should you make of this decision? Picking up the point | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
about universal benefits, when Labour left office a third of | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
households in the UK were dependant on the state for more than half of | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
their income. I think the principle, that you say, actually, the point | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
of the welfare state is that it should be there to help those | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
people who really cannot survive on their own is the right one. And in | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
some senses I think this policy decision is a nod in this direction. | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
The issue with it, if we're going to say that someone like Adele, or | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
it is nonsense that someone like Adele is eligible for child benefit, | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
equally we have to say that Paul McCartney is eligible for Winter | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
Fuel Allowance. Do you say the same about the NHS, that is a form of | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
welfare, if you means test child benefit, do you means test the NHS? | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
You are in favour of Adele being eligible for child benefit, the | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
answer to that question, is yes, you are in favour of Adele getting | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
child benefit? I think it is important to defend the universal | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
benefit. They should be paying more in tax. That is why the 50p rate | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
should not be cut to give away �40,000 to people like Adele | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
earning over �1 million a year. have to look at it in the context | :27:18. | :27:25. | |
of the nation's finances, the reality is we are borrowing so much | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
money to fund this, in one sense you could say the people who are | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
going to be paying for this child benefit, because it is borrowed | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
money, it will be the children themselves. It will be their tax | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
when they grow up. We are passing the bill for this massive welfare | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
state on to our children and the next generation. We have to deal | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
with those things. Have you seen how much it will cost to administer | :27:46. | :27:55. | |
the complex system. �1.7 billion every year, you kiep saying, your | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
party keeps saying that -- keep saying, your party keeps saying | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
that you want to cut the spending of the state, and make sure you act | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
responsibly, this time round, please believe in us. Every time we | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
introduce something that delivers some of that, you go against it. I | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
would like you to explain to your voters, the polling evidence, | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
including those people adversely affected. Your opinion poll. | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
wasn't mine. The Conservative Party opinion poll. It wasn't my opinion | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
poll. It was done by Populus, which is an independent pollster. | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
Commissioned by the Conservative Party. It doesn't matter if it was | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
commissioned, you commission polls do. It does. The majority of people | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
adversely affected by the policy support it. Explain that to the | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
voters at the next election, and explain to them that you will | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
reverse this? The cost for childcare for getting by, for | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
people on middle incomes, who are striving to do their best, are just | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
going to get worse because of this policy S the cost of administering | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
it are phenomenal. The Treasury are saying over �100 million. What is | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
worse, if you really believed in taking money from those highest | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
earners, you wouldn't be giving away such a task to those earning | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
over �150,000. Commit live on Newsnight you will reverse it. | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
has already refused to do that. There you go, that is your answer. | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
It is a difference between the parties, I think we should tax the | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
highest earners, that 1%, much more. Where is public opinion, their | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
trading opinions about opinion polls. Do you think we have reached | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
a stage in this country now, where people consider that the state has | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
an obligation towards a new born child, regardless of the level of | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
wealth of the parents? I think what is interesting is when you look at | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
different polls around at the moment, you find that actually the | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
public is in favour of things like getting rid of lots of these, like | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
Winter Fuel Allowance. They are in favour of that. Do you think the | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
state has a role, doesn't it? does believe the state has a role. | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
But I think people are very concerned about the level of | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
borrowing, they understand we need some reform. When you look at what | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
Government has become, in some sense it has almost become this | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
arbiter between different interest groups lobbying Government to try | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
to get as much money redistribute today their demographic. I think | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
people don't like that, they are waking up to that. Part of the | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
reason we are seeing people, saying this situation is absurd, that | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
these very wealthy people are geting these universal benefits. | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
Juef the tax system to do it. We can't afford, that it is stifling | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
the economy. It is why we have a million unemployed people in this | :30:26. | :30:33. | |
country. Do you think someone on �50,000 a year is rich? It depends | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
on things like where people live in the country. I know loads of people | :30:38. | :30:43. | |
on �50,000, who are doing a sum about the affects for their family. | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
Why not let people keep more of their money. The context of the | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
discussion, at the same time the Government is bringing more people | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
into the 40p rate. There needs to be a principle and discussion, to | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
say what kind of country do we want to be. Do we want to be a country | :30:58. | :31:05. | |
where we go back to next month's the 70-year anniversary of Bevanage, | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
do we want to be a welfare state supporting those who need support, | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
or do we want to be a country where we actually spend so much we have | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
to borrow to fund that? By the end of this parliament, the people | :31:20. | :31:25. | |
earning up to �10,000 are taken out of the tax system, they don't pay | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
any tax. I'm proud to say I'm part of the Government that delivered. | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
That that's the direction of flow from this Government, we would like | :31:31. | :31:36. | |
to hear what the policy-free zone from the Labour Party says about | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
that. We disagree on this, it is the thin end of the wedge, all of | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
the arguments apply to the universal NHS, which is also part | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
of those core welfare principles. It is about what sort of society | :31:46. | :31:51. | |
you believe in. If you think that people on higher incomes need to be | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
paying more, well you do it through the progressive tax system. What | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
you don't do is give it a �3 billion tax cut to millionaire, it | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
is very simple. We have ring-fenced it, you will cut it. It is the | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
slippery slope. We are told we are in the throws of | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
a second Industrial Revolution in which -- thros of a second | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
Industrial Revolution, where science transforms the way we do | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
everything. One of the most transformative technologies is 3D | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
printing t sounds absurd and impossible. It promises to | :32:25. | :32:30. | |
refashion whole areas of design. We will see what the 3D printer in the | :32:30. | :32:40. | |
:32:40. | :32:43. | ||
studio is doing. Beautifully created objects made with care and | :32:43. | :32:51. | |
decision. -- precision. They weren't been sculpted, cast or | :32:51. | :32:57. | |
machine pressed, a different process has been deployed. This is | :32:57. | :33:07. | |
:33:07. | :33:08. | ||
3D printing. At a design studio in London's Shoreditch, they cannot | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
only conceive product, they can make them. Thanks to a technology | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
that is falling in price and so becoming more accessible. It allows | :33:15. | :33:24. | |
you to make, just about anything. I'm being scanned, with software, | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
then building a precise template of my face. That will then be used to | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
print out a 3D me. So I have been scanned, what's next in the process. | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
We take that data and prepare it into a 3D print-ready file. We take | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
it over here to this machine. don't send it off to a factory | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
somewhere. Right here, it is an office-friendly machine, sitting in | :33:47. | :33:54. | |
the corner, humming away. This will print your file layer by layer. | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
This machine prints in a powder- based material. It is a whole new | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
way of producing particular customised and individual objects, | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
individual to the user, I think that is one of the fantastic things | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
about 3D printing, and the ability to have it in your hand within | :34:09. | :34:19. | |
:34:19. | :34:35. | ||
hours rather than waiting for it to be shipped around the world. Let's | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
have a look. There I am, complete with chain! It would have been | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
possible to make a mini-me like this many years ago, but it would | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
have been much more expensive and time-consuming. What 3D printing | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
has begun to do is take manufacturing out of the factory | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
and into a small design studio like this. But there are some who | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
believe it can go much further. Heralding a whole new Industrial | :35:00. | :35:09. | |
Revolution. So, what is 3D printing? It starts with a digital | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
design or scan, that's then fed into the printer. The process is | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
also called additive manufacturing, because it involves building up | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
objects, layer by layer, rather than pressing them out. Right now a | :35:23. | :35:29. | |
limited range of material can be used. Mainly plastics and resin. | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
But the first metal printers are emerging. It is a big fall in | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
primes that is driving take up. In 2002, even a budget 3D printer | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
might have cost �20,000, today you can get a desktop device for under | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
�1,000. The range of objects the technology can deliver keeps | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
expanding. In the medical world it is being used in dental work. And | :35:52. | :35:59. | |
this is a replacement jawbone, built out of titanium powder. The | :35:59. | :36:07. | |
fashion industry is experimenting, here is a 3D bikini. This flute | :36:07. | :36:14. | |
came out, but needs fine tuning. At lock burrow university they are | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
even printing concrete and wondering how the construction | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
industry can be transformed. For some this is a revolution that | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
starts at home. The great drive for me is to improve the quality of | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
home 3D printing. In his loafing room in South-East London, Paul | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
devotes -- living room in South- East London, Paul devotes his time | :36:38. | :36:48. | |
to improve 3D printing. He has developed printing of a 50th of a | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
millimeter thick. It wasn't long ago people thought you wouldn't | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
have a computer in every single home. You certainly wouldn't have a | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
nice colour printer in every home. Now every home has at least one | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
printer. When you get to the stage where you have to load a file, | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
press a button. That will be the stage where they will become | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
mainstream. Paul is part of an on- line movement, which uploads and | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
shares designs for other 3D printer hobbyists to download. There in | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
lies a looming problem. Any revolutionary new technology | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
provides both opportunities and threats, just ask the music | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
industry. As 3D printing becomes more common place, the value of the | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
digital designs fed into the printers should rise. But so will | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
the threat of piracy. Once your designs have escaped on to the | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
Internet, there is nothing to stop anyone anywhere from printing out | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
your products without your permission. So, one industry should | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
benefit from the rise of 3D printing, that is the patent | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
lawyers. This is a 3D print. These, for | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
instance, are rare art facts from Cambridge's Fitzwilliam Museum, or | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
rather replicas. 3D printed for the museum shop. Ownership of the scans | :38:04. | :38:10. | |
that produces these objects could be very valuable. But one leading | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
designer thinks the new technology could help outwit the copiers. | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
time to market place will be quicker, that is crucial in the | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
world of intellectual property, where you need to get out there | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
quickly and take advantage of your intention before someone copies it. | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
At the Royal College of Art's new dies on Building, some graduates | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
are being helped to turn student ideas into real product. 3D | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
printing is already an essential part of making proto-type, soon it | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
could transform how products are manufactured. You can be | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
independent, you don't need tool makers, moulder, caster, foundries, | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
you can do it all your self, with a relatively simple, I hope, machine, | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
you can make things all over the place. You could make them very | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
locally, to each country you are selling in. You could get rid of | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
freight costs and import duties and all sorts of things. I think, | :39:03. | :39:10. | |
eventually, it will completely transform the way products are made. | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
From the hobbyist experimenting at home, to industrial designers, with | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
ever more sophisticated technique, 3D printing is advancing on all | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
fronts. Just like virtual reality in the 1990, it is the subject of | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
huge, perhaps inflated expectation. But its exponents believe this is a | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
revolution that will deliver on its promise. | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
We come behind the set, where one of the these printers has been | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
whirring away, throughout the programme, and with us is Paul | :39:40. | :39:49. | |
Webber from the 3D printing can be, object. It has clunked? It is | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
paused. What is it making? It is printing, let me open the lid and | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
you can have a lock. It has been printing 12 pens at the moment. It | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
has been printing them in multiple material. So there is some begins | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
on the cabinet behind you, I have also got one here you can have a | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
look at it. It is a complicated lattice work over a spiral struck | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
tue, that you could never normally -- structure, that you couldn't | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
norm r never normally produce it t only these technologies can only | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
produce it. With the particular parts, printing with rubber and | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
rigid material at the same time. has done this from a drawing, has | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
it? That's right. It is digital forming developed the software to | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
create the pens. Someone has put a drawing in, and what comes out at | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
the end is the complete 3D object? It is the complete pen without the | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
ink stick. There is no ink in it? That is a bit of a problem with a | :40:50. | :40:58. | |
pen. You do need that. Can I pick unup. Will I burn my hand. You have | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
some there -- Can I pick the pen up. Will I burn my head. These are some | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
you made earlier. They are all stuck to the tray. If you do this, | :41:07. | :41:15. | |
it takes it off. It -- It has a substance around it, it can't print | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
the cast in midair. It is printing a jelly-like structure to keep it | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
in place, it gets washed away at the end of the process and you have | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
what you have in the hand. Does this have a domestic application or | :41:30. | :41:37. | |
is it really industrial? Printers are not used commonly for | :41:37. | :41:43. | |
manufacture at this point in time. There is certain places where it is | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
used for manufacture, most are medical-related. They are adept at | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
printing one-off piece, with the likes of a hearing aid, we have | :41:50. | :42:00. | |
that over there. There is over 300,000. I have one here. OK, right. | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
Let's see. Hearing aid, stick some wax in your ear and take an | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
impression and mould a bit of plastic around it, that is done, | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
how? The doctor will actually put an algenate substance in your ear | :42:16. | :42:22. | |
to get an impression. Your inner ear is as bespoke as your finger | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
print. It gets taken out of your ear, three dimensionly scanned, and | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
adapted in software, so it is an appropriate fit, and has an | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
appropriate channel to have the electronics fitted. These are all | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
the other things you have made from drawings? Presumably you could go | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
on-line, presumably and pick up a design, and then download it to one | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
of these printers and get the actual product?? Absolutely. The | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
way things are going with the future, there is already sites | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
established where you can download a file and print T because not so | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
many people have home printer systems at the moment, the sites | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
are few and far between. How much do these cost? These start at �15 | :43:07. | :43:16. | |
though, but go all the way up to well in secs of �-- in excess of � | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
50,000. You won't put these in people's homes? They have them in | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
houses now to facilitate clientele and bring business their way. | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
is bad news if you make machine tools? It can be, this can print | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
the impossible. You can literally print a ship in a bottle. You can | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
make a ship in a bottle? Yes, it is additive manufacturing, it is | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
basically putting one layer on top of the other, you are not held by | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
the constraints of CNC, where you are whittling away at a block to | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
try to create the finished item. With this type of technology, the | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
world is your oyster. Thank you very much, that's all for tonight. | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
We will no doubt see what damage Sandy doss bit morning. Hopefully | :43:59. | :44:09. | |
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everyone stays safe. I will be back Hello there, we have had some | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
relatively quiet weather so far this week across the UK. Actually | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
through Tuesday we will have sunny spells across England and Wales. | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
More cloud and rain gathers up into the North West, it turns | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
increasingly breezy. A rather cool feel here. The North West of | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
England will have showers first thing in the morning. To the east | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
sunny spells, perhaps highs of around eight or nine. The south- | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
east corner, highs of ten or 11. Disappointingly cool for this time | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
of year. Fine and dry along the south coast, an increase of cloud | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
for Cornwall and western Wales. For the south-east, Cardiff should see | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
highs of ten degrees isolated showers into Anglesey, into the | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
North West of eing lan. Most of the showers should confine themselves | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
to the far north coast. Increasingly strong winds, and | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
persistent rain, after a cool start. A disappointing feel in Scotland. | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
It stays cool, wet and windy Tuesday into Wednesday, for much of | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
northern England, Northern Ireland, and for Scotland. A little quieter | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
further south. We keep the sunny spells. But the cloud will thicken | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
for England and Wales during Wednesday. With rain arriving late | :45:44. | :45:48. |