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The bastards are back. David Cameron proves unable to command | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
even his own party over the issue of Europe. And the specter which | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
haunted the major Government, tonight left him without a majority | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
in the House of Commons. This defeat, Cameron's first major | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
one as Prime Minister, came from out of the blue, it is a reminder | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
that the fragile truce over Europe, called by David Cameron, is | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
probably coming to an end. One of the Tory rebels is here, as | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
is Labour's shadow Europe Minister, and the hapless minister who found | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
himself left to do the washing up, while his rebel backbenchers are | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
celebrating victory. Also tonight, Michael Heseltine | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
swings in to talk about how to get growth back into the British | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
economy. Barack Obama sees and is seen seeing the work of Hurricane | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
Sandy, has the storm blown him back into the White House? How big | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
western drug companies are using Indians as Guinea pigs on whom to | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
test new medicines. I have made several requests, can | :01:15. | :01:25. | |
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we talk to you at another time. It's not the reputation he would | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
have wanted, but tonight David Cameron was humiliated in the House | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
of Commons for being too soft on the European Union. His idea of | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
standing up for British interests didn't even convince many of his | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
own backbenchers. They asked why should British tax-payers be | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
expected to hand over more of their earnings for the benefit of the | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
rest of the continent, when they are having to make economies at | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
home. The Labour Party knows a bandwagon when it sees one, and | :01:58. | :02:08. | |
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leapt aboard. Result? Defeat for the Government by 13 votes. In the | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
last 48 hours, in a gall lagsy somewhere not too far away, a | :02:15. | :02:21. | |
Motley Crue of politicians from all sides have co-heard with almost the | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
speed of light -- co-hereed into something almost the speed of life. | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
MPs emerged to take on Europe, but also to take on the leadership of | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
the Conservative Party. The Government has just been defeat, it | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
was never going to be a binding vote, but it is a pretty good | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
guiding vote. A reminder that David Cameron can't control his MPs over | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
Europe. This is even despite some foot work by the Prime Minister. | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
They are trying to control something I call "veto Viagra", | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
when they block measures in Europe is popular with their party and the | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
public. This time round his MPs didn't buy it. You could say, the | :02:58. | :03:06. | |
drugs didn't work. Here are Stormtroopers, | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
interspersed with some of the rebel alliance, intent on inflict Ade | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
feet on their Prime Minister. Earlier in the year when the rebel | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
leader made clear his Jedis would be joining the ranks, it brought | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
some out. Ed Miliband had fun at Prime Minister's Questions. | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
can't convince anyone on Europe. Last year he flounced out of the | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
December negotiations with a veto, and the agreement went ahead any | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
way. He has thrown in the towel before these negotiations have | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
begun. He can't convince European leader, he can't even convince his | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
own backbenchers. He is weak abroad, he is weak at home, it's John Major | :03:42. | :03:50. | |
all over again. His position is completely incredible. He says he | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
wants a cut in the EU budget, but he doesn't sanction a veto. Now we | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
have made clear we will use the veto, as I have used it before. Let | :04:00. | :04:08. | |
me ask him, will you use the veto. See what I mean about "veto Viagra". | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
Things were not breezy on the Labour side of the galaxy. Some | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
were queasy at his new found euro- sceptic hawkry. They went with him | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
on the quest, enticed by the option of inflicting a Commons defeat. In | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
the moment of cross dressing, they had become the ones in favour of a | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
greater cut to the EU budget than the Tories. Oh how it rankled. | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
have had a few weeks to immerse myself into the bugetry demands, | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
made not only by the institutions of the EU, but also the member- | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
state. I have to say my normally cheerful mood has soured. It is | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
extraordinary to see the cheer lack of shame displayed by those | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
demanding more of our money. Tory front bench were trying | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
puncture an appeal of a vote tabled by Mark Reckless, he wants the cut | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
to the EU budget, not the freeze his leadership bleefsz to be the | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
most feasible outcome. Jacob Rees- Mogg tabled a rival amendment on | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
the Government's behalf. Their defence is this, if the Government | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
calls for a cut, there would be little European support for that, | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
then the whole talks would falter, and the budget would roll over at a | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
higher rate than proposed now. So new money from us to them would | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
flow. The rebel alliance was worried about something raised on | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
Newsnight last week, that the budget freeze would be nothing of | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
the sort, it would see more money flowing to new European countries. | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
Is it not the case, irrespective of whether the Government is | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
successful on negotiating a freeze or not, that money, in cash terms, | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
more money will be given to the European Union. If I'm incorrect, | :05:43. | :05:52. | |
then I please have the Financial Secretary correct me? The shape of | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
the budget needs to be negotiated, but it is true to say that the | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
result of the give Ye of the rebates that the previous | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
Government -- givaway of the rebates the previous Government | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
gave out, we lose out on the spending for new member states that | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
would have been previously abated. The votes were in, 307 in the rebel | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
alliance, including 53 Tory MPs who had held their nose and voted with | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
Labour against their party. A big loser was David Cameron's new Chief | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
Whip, Sir George Young. He was brought in to rally the storm | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
troops, but displayed little grip. With this shot across David | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
Cameron's spaceship boughs, it is not sure that David Cameron will | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
get approval for whatever budget is agreed in upy, given the | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
displeasure displayed today. The problems for the Prime Minister are | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
many. Every time he's defeated on Europe he's diminished, in general. | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
Secondly, he's now under pressure from cuept whyics to set out what | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
he wants -- euro-sceptics to set out what he wants in terms of a | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
referendum. Something he has been vague about until now. Something | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
more longer term too, manage you had a Government governing with a | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
majority of something like 20, today we have seen how quickly | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
something like that could be wiped out. This week we Where Are You Now | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
there are many more Star Wars films on the horizon. There are equally | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
many more Europe wars coming down the track too. We know that the | :07:18. | :07:26. | |
value of a veto has fallen faster than a meteor. | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
We're joined by Greg Clarke, which you saw in the film, first of all | :07:30. | :07:39. | |
we will talk to my other guests. Bernard Jenkin, given the vote | :07:39. | :07:45. | |
wasn't binding, what have you achieved, aart from humiliating -- | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
apart from humiliating the Prime Minister? I don't think humiliation | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
is right, embarrassing, but humiliation is too strong a word. | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
What have you gained from humiliating the Prime Minister | :07:59. | :08:06. | |
then? OK, that is 1-0 so far! The British people for a long time have | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
been way ahead than most politicians on the question of the | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
European. Much more disillusioned, much more fed-up, and much more | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
determined to get a new relationship with the European | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
partners. To put the relationship with the European Union on a | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
different footing. I think the House of Commons has finally caught | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
up with public opinion. We have heard, the British public, their | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
voice has been heard in the House of Commons tonight, in a way that | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
hasn't been heard for a very long time. As far as the Labour Party is | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
concerned, we can take it, can we, that you will agree nothing other | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
than a cut in the EU budget now. Yeah, we are in favour of a real- | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
terms cut. We think at a time when Governments across the EU, and the | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
world, are tightening their belts, that the European Union's budget | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
shouldn't be exempt for those reductions. That is despite the | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
fact that last time, when it was in your hands, you gave away about | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
what, �7 billion? In 2005 the economic climate was different. | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
Still money you were chucking away? We also had a significantly | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
enlarged European Union. We had ten member states Conservatives and the | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
Labour Party argued at that time for enlargement. You hadn't | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
intended to give away the �7 billion, it was a total blunder by | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
the Prime Minister. �10 billion was it. Over five years. What actually | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
happened as a result was that the French and the British contribution | :09:29. | :09:35. | |
are now almost parity because we did achieve reform of the Common | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
Agricultural Policy. We are now in a position where you | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
will only agree a cut in the EU cutting. Given the clear will of | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
parliament has been expressed, what will you do? I think it was a very | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
passionate debate, what was clear was there was a strong consensus | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
that we should be seeking a cut in the EU budget. That is always been | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
our position. Will you listen to that? Of course. Will you act on | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
it? When you have a debate like that, where everyone was clear, and | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
the Prime Minister of clear in Prime Minister's Questions earlier, | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
that, of course, when, not just in this country, where we're cutting | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
budgets, but it is happening across Europe. As I said, in my clip there, | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
I think it is essential that the European institutions exercise the | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
same fiscal discipline that they are urging on everyone else. | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
didn't you find him plausible? think that, as I say, I think the | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
British political establishment is just behind the curve here. British | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
people are much angryier. I'm delighted the Labour Party, they | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
have been forced to listen. When you go into opposition, you do get | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
more in touch with public opinion. They knew their old position of | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
increasing spending in the European Union, come what may, was | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
completely indefensible. What do you want Cameron to do now? I think | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
what David Cameron has to do, this is a much bigger issue. What | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
happened tonight was really incidental to the negotiations. | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
Though, it might result in paralysis at this summit. But there | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
will be a multinational financial framework of one sort of another. | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
This is a much bigger watershed moment in British politic. This is | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
about, the British people beginning to demand, and beginning to get | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
through to the politicians at Westminster, that they want this, | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
whatever Government is in power, to start organising a different | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
relationship with the European Union. To leave the European Union? | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
Not necessarily to leave it. If we let this drag on, this paralysis, | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
where the Government can neither deliver a proper engagment on our | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
present terms of membership, nor is it negotiating a new relationship, | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
as things change in Europe. guys all know this stuff. Is it not | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
the case, if there is no agreement between the member Governments, on | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
whatever the budget increase is going to be, it will happen any way, | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
at the rate of inflation, what is it 2%, their budget will go up | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
whatever happens? You are quite right about that. That just shows | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
how much power we have given away. How powerless the House of Commons | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
now is under all these treaties. Why we need a new relationship. So | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
we can't have our resources simply striped away from us in this way. I | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
don't think there is very many of your viewers out there, that think | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
this is a satisfactory position. Are you pleased that you have | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
alienated your party a little bit from Europe tonight? I don't think | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
we have. We have made a very common sense argument about reductions in | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
spending, that are happening here in the UK, and across the EU. | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
would use the veto, would you? haven't talked about that. | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
asking you now, would you use the veto if you were in power? I think | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
it is too early to start talking about exercising a veto. That is | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
pathetic? We haven't started the negotiations yet. You forced the | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
Prime Minister into a climb-down tonight, his policy is clearly | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
articulated, he has said where he stands on the veto, and you won't | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
tell us? He used the veto in December, and it didn't get him | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
anywhere. The efficacy isn't here nor there, would you use the veto? | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
We would prefer that the Prime Minister built bridges rather than | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
burning them. Would you use the veto in Government? We are not at | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
the end of the negotiation process. It would depend what comes out of | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
the negotiation. OK, you are not going to answer the question, | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
clearly. Greg Clarke, if you do use the veto, as I think you have said | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
you will, if necessary? You have to be prepared to use the veto. | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
will make no difference, will it? Of course it will. If you use the | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
veto the budget can't be approved. As for inflation -- and ask for an | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
inflation of 2% more of our money? Some of the budgets get rolled | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
forward on an inflationary basis. The truth is, it becomes very | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
uncertain, it is much better to sort this thing out once and for | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
good. My view and the Government's view is we should have a cut in the | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
budget, just as we are having in other place. You have got the | :13:56. | :14:02. | |
possibility through using the veto. I think this is a very difficult | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
question. The Government could have just accepted this amendment and | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
turned their fire on Labour. that's what you want, Europe won, | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
he wants a cut, you want a cut? Prime Minister agreed with other | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
European leaders, with the German, French, Dutch and other leader | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
around Europe, that we should aim for a cut in the EU budget. And at | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
the very most, a real terms freeze. Let me tell you, when he goes into | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
negotiate, this is a very difficult negotiation. 17 of the 27 countries | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
are net recipients. They all have a veto too. He needs to be able to | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
get the best deal for Britain. He has to do that. He wants a real | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
terms cut, but I think it's shepful to build alliances and to -- | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
helpful, but -- helpful to build alliances whatever he does. When | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
the Prime Minister was trying to persuade you not to acts you have | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
tonight, what did he say to you? be honest, I never had a | :15:00. | :15:07. | |
conversation with him about it. But, what I would say, is that this vote | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
will have a dramatic effect across the whole of the European Union. It | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
will, in some respects, make the negotiations more difficult. But | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
you watch, there are going to be other countries saying, why aren't | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
we demanding a cut. Voters in other countries saying, why aren't we | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
demanding a cut. And I think, as this argument, that perhaps starts | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
in Britain and is taken to other countries, I think we will see it | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
having an electrifying effect on the politics of other countries, | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
who are wondering why their Governments aren't being as tough | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
as our's. We don't quite know how you would behave if you were in | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
Government. You notionally support the idea of a cut, don't you? | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
have said tonight, we voted quite clearly. We don't know whether you | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
would put your money where your mouth is, it is not worth very much | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
is it? We would negotiate in a way that doesn't alienate people, in a | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
way this Prime Minister did, in December, when he didn't even need | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
to. The Fiscal Compact treaty he walked out of, that went ahead any | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
way, didn't apply to the UK. the first time in history, the | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
European budget has always increased, it is the first time in | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
the history of Europe that major countries, like France and Germany, | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
have signed up to. Do you want to see an increase after this one way | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
or another? Absolutely. One thing about the internal discipline of | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
your party. Do you think Andrew Mitchell could have made you vote | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
differently? I will say one very frank thing about the relationship | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
between the whip's office and the rest of the Government. The | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
Government needs to listen to the whip's office. Because one senses | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
that the whip's office does tell the truth to power and sometimes | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
there is a bit of denial going on in Downing Street. Do you think | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
there are possibly more rebellions coming up? There is a strong sense | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
in the Conservative Party if a few Liberal Democrats cause a bit of | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
trouble in the coalition. They are accommodated. But if there are 50 | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
or 60 Conservatives who are equally unhappy from the other side of the | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
equation, we are taken for granted. I think there needs to be a bit | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
more balance in that relationship. The liberals need to understand, if | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
the coalition is going to operate, they will have to accommodate that | :17:14. | :17:20. | |
too. Do you think George Young, he's a very nice man. He's well | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
respected and popular amongst colleagues. As I think Bernard | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
would acknowledge. Europe is an issue where people rightly have | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
strong views, strongly held views, across all parties. When you have a | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
situation in which the European Commission is proposing a 10% | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
increase in what it wants to take from us. No wonder people's | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
attention is drawn. No wonder people are aroused to participate | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
in such a debate. This is about, the debate today was about the | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
tactical way to achieve what is a common objective to get a cut in | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
the EU budget, and to make it start going down, rather than being | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
ratchetted up, as it always did under Labour. The shadow Foreign | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
Secretary increased it by 8%, it was in perpetuity, you can't say it | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
was for this environment, it was in perpetuity. Thank you very much. | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
The British economy can be saved, and this country can reverse | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
decades of relative decline, the former Deputy Prime Minister, | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
Michael Heseltine, has emerged from the Oxfordshire wilderness, | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
promising to lead his people to the Promised Land. He was asked to come | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
up with ideas for getting some growth back into the economy by the | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
Prime Minister. And, to no great surprise, the Prime Minister | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
appears to think that Lord Heseltine has produced an excellent | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
report. This, despite the fact, that it propose the complete | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
overhaul of Government policy. His Government's policy. Before I talk | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
to the biggest Barnet in modern politics, Paul Mason is here. | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
a zai, the discussion you have just had, the -- day, the discussion you | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
have just had, the discussion hanging over Britain for decades, | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
and the other problem, the British disease, the economy. Low | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
productivity, stagnant regions, trade deficit, low innovation. Here | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
are two of the graphics that Lord Heseltine threw at us today. GDP | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
per hour worked in France, in 1990, green bar, German, USA. We have | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
narrowed the gap. The light blue bar is now. But still, French | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
workers, German workers and US workers produced more than British | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
workers. This is a problem that has been with us for a long time, | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
Heseltine points to it today. tell you the skills gap, that's | :19:38. | :19:45. | |
really crucial, because you can't spell "relative"! I will only say | :19:45. | :19:52. | |
somebody in Newsnight can't spell "relative". Let's hope this one | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
comes out right, "regional", that's spelt right! These green bars show | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
the relative contributions of the economy to different part of the UK. | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
In the middle, the pyramid is London and the south-east, with a | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
third of growth coming from them. These, as we say, are not new | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
problems. They have been given an urgency by these proposals from | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
Lord Heseltine today. We are going to see the interview with Lord | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
Heseltine in a moment or two. Give us your take on the core strategy | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
here? There are two words in that report that keep reappearing, that | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
you don't often hear in economic policy discussions in Britain, they | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
are "strategic" and "plan", quite often they are there together in | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
the same sentence. He's talking about a strategic plan for British | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
economic growth. He's talking about not just good ideas to make it | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
happen, but a radical reform of institutions, which we haven't had, | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
to make that possible. To even formulate the policy. Now, this, as | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
you know, maybe we have got 16- year-olds watching this tonight, | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
who might be surprised there is a debate between industry and finance | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
about growth policy. But it is going on since we were 16. The | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
people who advocate what Heseltine advocates have never won the | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
argument. If they did, it would look like a very different country. | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
Welcome to Heseltineia. A new Britain with a strategy for growth. | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
Better productivity, a strategic plan, Government funding a pooled, | :21:22. | :21:29. | |
civil servants are brigadeed, everything is geared to growth. | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
Welcome to reality. An economy where productivity is low, growth | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
support radic, and where the Government has struggled -- support | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
radic, and where the Government has struing struggled to find strategic | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
direction. Lord Heseltine famously walked out of the Thatcher cabinet | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
over industrial strategy, the 89 bullet points he produced today | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
sing to the same tune, Conservatism, industrialism. All departmental | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
growth money would be pooled, a National Growth Council led by the | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
PM, then the money allocated to the region, councils would draw up | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
strategic plans. Planning objections would be overridden by | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
strategic considerations, and there would be clear and fixed policy on | :22:12. | :22:19. | |
the energyics m, and where the next airport -- mix energy mix and where | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
the next airport is built. Labour thinks it would never happen. | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
have been advocated an active industrial strategy for a long time, | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
where you have Government doing things, helping businesses to grow | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
the economy. That is very different to the "leave it to the market", | :22:35. | :22:42. | |
laissez faire model propagaged by Margaret Thatcher. The sons of | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
Thatcher, in Number Ten and number 11, this is not something they | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
would advocate or take on. So that is Heseltineia, a country where | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
everything, from the School Curriculum, to the election | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
timetable, runs to the rhythm of a growth strategy. Where Britain | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
plays hard ball, like its competitor, and where economic | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
dynamism does not stop north of Watford. | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
A little earlier I spoke to Michael Heseltine when he dropped by. I | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
asked him why the Government needed him to produce a blueprint for | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
growth, if everything was going so swimmingly. The essence of what | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
this Government has done, which I find totally impressive, is they | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
have had the guts to say to someone like me, look, you take an | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
independent view, that's what the best companies do. They say to | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
their employees, look, we know we're not perfect, tell us where we | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
can improve. That is a sign of strength. There an element in this | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
too, as you say in your report, you are a successful businessman, you | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
built a business yourself. George Osborne hasn't built any business? | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
He is actually masterminding the saving of this country's economy, | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
which is what he's paid to do. He's doing it extremely impressively. | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
Where is the evidence that your scheme for devolving spending to | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
local communities, is actually more effective? Oh right, the London | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
Docklands, if I had told you there would be Canary Wharf, Excel, the | :24:09. | :24:16. | |
Olympic, an airport, and O2, in 1979, you would have locked me up. | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
Go to Liverpool, wherein 1981 there were riots, people said don't -- | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
where in 1981 there were riots, people said don't bother with votes | :24:26. | :24:33. | |
there, said we can save the cities. Go to central Manchester, look at | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
the Hume Estate and all that happened there. Everything I | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
propose is based on what has already been achieved. When you | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
talk about reviving these Great Northern industrial cities, | :24:43. | :24:52. | |
Manchester? All our cities. Liverpool, or Gateshead, London's - | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
- none has a single Tory councillor have they? I'm not in the business | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
of saying, Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative, I'm in the business | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
of saying can we make these cities contribute more to their prosperity | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
and national prosperity. You have cited examples from recent history, | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
the argument is, that the modern Conservative Party, the sort of | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
people who are currently running the Government, have no natural | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
sympathy or understanding with those great cities? I wholly | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
disagree with that view. I think that the Government has set up my | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
inquiry, precisely because they have sympathy with those cities. | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
the end, what you are proposing is a revival of the old idea of | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
picking winners. You even mention it in your report? Do you want to | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
pick losers? Is it the business of Government to be picking, well we | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
hope they will pick winners, picking winners at all? If you go | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
to Whitehall, they are spending money on specific grants and | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
specific companies, and on specific project. They don't know what they | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
are doing, is that the problem. They are picking losers by default? | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
They are picking winners, that is what they do. If you move outside | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
this country, to every equivalent capitalist economy, they have a | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
machinery of Government to pick winners. I'm unrepentant to say if | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
you are going to use tax-payers money, to support the capitalist | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
system it, for God's sake make the right decisions and don't make bad | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
decisions. Why are they making the wrong and bad decisions now? | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
didn't say they were. You don't need a change of strategy? We are | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
on to two different subjects. One is the individual decision, to put | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
grants in the way of individual projects, and say -- I say you are | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
picking winners. The he sense of my report is you should do it -- | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
essence of my report is you should do it better across a wider | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
spectrum, on the other side, you should take money currently spent | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
in on things like housing, transport, education and training, | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
and you should say, instead of civil servants in London saying, | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
what we think Manchester should have is some more transport or | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
roads. What you do is you go to Manchester and say this is the | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
money we have got, what would you do if you could design the | :27:08. | :27:13. | |
solutions. Why have we got a system in which we are spending money | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
remotely and unprofessionally? have not used your pejorative | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
language. You said London, as opposed to locally, and you used | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
the word "professional" as opposed to what we have now? You used the | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
word "unprofessional", I'm not saying that what we do now when we | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
back a housing or road scheme is unprofessional or incompetent. I'm | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
saying it fits a pattern of national and London-based decision | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
making, I want to see it out in Leeds, Manchester, Plymouth, | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
wherever it happens to be. Working to a National Council chaired by | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
the Prime Minister. There is no more centralised figure in the | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
country? There is no-one else that can make anything happen in this | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
country. You must have heard, time and again, the Prime Minister | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
saying we pull the lever, but it is connected with elastic, nothing | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
happens. And you don't think that is the antithesis of localism? | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
don't think it is at all. I think that if you are actually sitting | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
make all of the decisions in London, that is centralism. If you share | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
the decision-making with the localties, that is localism. | :28:21. | :28:28. | |
Michael Heseltine, Lord Heseltine, thank you. | :28:28. | :28:36. | |
What hath God Wrought, was the first telegraph message sent in | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
1884. They may ask the same thing about the 2012 American | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
presidential elections, by this time next week Americans will have | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
cast their vote. Huge numbers of people are still suffering. But | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
Barack Obama's handling of the crisis has drawn praise from | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
notional opponent. While his challenger, Mitt Romney, has been | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
left looking something of an irrelevance. | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
It's the jersey coast that took the worst battering. Here, the | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
epicentre of the storm hit on Monday night. Pulling buildings | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
apart, and sweeping the beach right over the community. The waves were | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
coming, hitting on an angle from the south, and just breaking over | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
the sea wall. Pouring into the houses up front here. And then into | :29:24. | :29:31. | |
the streets. So I stayed up on the top. Watched the incredible power | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
of the ocean, and the full moon came out for about 15 minutes, it | :29:36. | :29:42. | |
was surreal. I had an incredible view of the waves crashing over. At | :29:42. | :29:48. | |
the time I wasn't so ennam moured by it, I was more -- ennam moured | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
by it, I was more scared. This is one of the jersey shore towns where | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
their world was turned upside down, but where everyone is now hard at | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
work trying to make things right. The emphasis now is on getting back | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
to business as usual, in a political context, that means full | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
force campaigning for the presidential election. As to who | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
might have been fitted more from this Hurricane crisis? Those in the | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
know feel that is pretty clear. Well, this is an incredibly | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
important moment for President Obama, because it allows him the | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
opportunity to look and act and be presidential. To fly to the scene | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
in the presidential helicopter, to stand in the White House and talk | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
about his concern for Americans. It is an opportunity to be what it is | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
that the President wants to project himself as being, and what he hopes | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
that Americans will choose, in the end. | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
Helen and her husband have lived in this town for 30 years. The news | :30:46. | :30:52. | |
that President Obama was flying out to visit the disaster zone left her | :30:52. | :30:58. | |
distinctly underwhelmed. I don't give a shit about the President! | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
I'm Romney, so the President can stay away from New Jersey as far as | :31:02. | :31:08. | |
I'm concerned. It is four years of disaster, I don't know! The key | :31:08. | :31:15. | |
thing though, is at a time when the challenger he might do a better job, | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
taking a close interest in disaster relief, allows President Obama to | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
perform. I think it is significant that he comes to where everything | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
has taken place. I don't think it is a political move. You have to | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
come in, assess what is going on, talk to the people, let them know | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
you are behind them and supporting them. It is good. Whatever the | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
president would be, they should be here. | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
When he did arrive here, the world's media was in attendance. It | :31:43. | :31:49. | |
was one more day when Mr Obama could dominate the headlines, aided | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
by the Republican Governor of New Jersey, who has been lavishing | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
praise on the President's handling of the crisis. It is all extremely | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
politically useful. He has worked incredibly closely with me, since | :32:01. | :32:06. | |
before the storm hit. I think it is our sixth conversation since the | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
weekend. And it's been a great working relationship to make sure | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
that we're doing the jobs that people elected us to do. I cannot | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
thank the President enough for his personal concern and compassion for | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
our state and for the people of our state We are here for you. And we | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
will not forget, we will follow up to make sure that you get all the | :32:27. | :32:34. | |
help that you need until you are rebuilt. | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
After days in which he has had to yield the stage, Mitt Romney was on | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
the stump again in Florida he's been doing well in this state, but | :32:43. | :32:49. | |
with worldwide attention fixed on the Hurricane's aftermath, it is a | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
question of who is listening? is quite a time for the country, as | :32:54. | :33:00. | |
you know. We're going through trauma in a major part of the | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
country. A kind of trauma you have experienced here in Florida more | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
than once. It is interesting to see how people come together in a | :33:07. | :33:12. | |
circumstance like this. This is a very difficult moment for Mitt | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
Romney. For a couple of reasons, he momentum that was clearly going his | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
way, and now his campaign, and in fact, the entire presidential race | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
is being knocked off the top headline. It makes it hard for him | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
to figure out what he can do. This is obviously an issue, not about | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
politics, but everything that happens has political implications | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
for him. It is too early to say, perhaps, that it has been here that | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
the tide was turned. But there is no denying that the Hurricane has | :33:41. | :33:50. | |
had the impact on lives, on property and on politic. | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
From a medical point of view, we in the west live in the luckiest time | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
in his treatment but those medicine, which offer to cure our sicknesses | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
and relieve our pain, have at some point to be tested on humans, but | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
where, who wants to be a Guinea pig. Pharmaceutical companies have been | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
solving that problem, by piling into India. Hundreds of the Indians | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
who took part have died during trials, and very few autopsies have | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
been carried out to determine the cause of death. Doctors have been | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
fined, and now the Indian Government is seriously considering | :34:24. | :34:32. | |
tightening up the rules. Sue Lloyd Roberts reports from the poverty- | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
striken state of Madhya Pradesh. Some locals call it neo-colonialism. | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
Foreign drug companies using poor and illiterate Indians as Guinea | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
pigs in drug trials. TRANSLATION: Our family has been destroyed by | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
this. The drug companies should know it. The doctors who carry out | :34:51. | :34:59. | |
the trials may be in denial. This is an office. | :34:59. | :35:06. | |
But they are now being disciplined. Lawyers are asking if we can trust | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
the results of the trials? global implication, potentially | :35:10. | :35:19. | |
would be, whether those findings can be safely relied upon. India | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
has obvious attractions for the foreign drug companies. The cost | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
here can be half that in the west. There are educated, English- | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
speaking doctors. And a vast population from which to choose | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
trial subjects. All of whom are required, under Indian law, to give | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
their informed consent. TRANSLATION: I put my thumb print | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
on the document, and my daughter- in-law signed in Hindi, the form of | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
in English, we couldn't understand anything. -- was in English, we | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
couldn't understand everything. That was enough for a three-year- | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
old healthy boy to be given a polio vaccine. He had a seizure, that was | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
recorded as a "severe adverse event", by the hospital. Three | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
years later the family say he still has breathing and eating difficulty. | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
This boy is one of more than 80 patients, who the records show, | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
were severely affected in the trials in the town of Indor, most | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
of which took place here at the main MY hospital. The families of | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
the dozens who died, might have never known their loved ones were | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
ever on a troil, were it not for a doctor -- trial, were it not for a | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
doctor here at the hospital who turned whizzle blower. They re-- | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
Whistleblower. They recruited the people from the dredges of society | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
because they didn't know about the clinical trials. The doctors are | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
making huge amounts from the pharmaceutical companies, they are | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
interested only in money. Offer challenged colleagues he lost his | :36:55. | :37:02. | |
job at the hospital. I set out to find some of the families of those | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
who died. There have been local investigations into the deaths, but | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
there have been no autopsies, so there can be no certainty that the | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
drug trials are to blame. There is no compensation for the families. | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
One thing that awful them are agreed on, none of the trial | :37:18. | :37:27. | |
subjects knew they were being given experimental drugs. The death of | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
this woman, during a trial, has, say the family, left them destitute. | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
When she went into the hospital, with chest pains, the 45-year-old | :37:36. | :37:43. | |
of the main breadwinner. TRANSLATION: Normally when we go to | :37:43. | :37:51. | |
the hospital we are given a five rupee voucher. They said they would | :37:51. | :37:57. | |
give my mother a foreign drug costing 125 rupees, we were | :37:57. | :38:04. | |
surprised, we are from a low caste. Her mother reacted so badly that | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
she died a month later. The trial registered in the UK was later | :38:08. | :38:16. | |
halted, due, say the company, to the number of seizures recorded. | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
The family blame her death on the doctor who carried out most of the | :38:20. | :38:29. | |
trials at the hospital. Dr Aneil Barani. As I ited more families, I | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
found people here have no longer an unquestioning faith in the medical | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
profession. Ramadar Shrivastav also took her | :38:38. | :38:45. | |
husband to the hospital with chest pains. She too was pleasantly | :38:45. | :38:52. | |
surprised by how they were treated by Dr Aneil Barani. TRANSLATION: | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
said you're poor, that is why I'm paying for your transport costs to | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
come and collect the medication. I know you can't afford it. But when | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
her husband died, the doctor blamed her for failing to give him the | :39:04. | :39:10. | |
correct dose. Which she denies. TRANSLATION: I treated him as a God, | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
and begged him to look after my husband. I now know my husband died | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
because of the drug trial, I don't trust him any more. I'm even afraid | :39:19. | :39:26. | |
of going back to the hospital. doctor refused my request for an | :39:26. | :39:32. | |
interview, I went to the hospital to find him. The state Government | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
have charged him with unlawfully accepted money and trips abroad, | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
from foreign drug companies, and for carrying out trials without | :39:39. | :39:47. | |
consent. When I arrived at his office, | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
closelyle followed by security guards, he was not in the mood for | :39:50. | :39:56. | |
talking. Can we talk to you at another time? This is an offence, | :39:56. | :40:04. | |
you are shooting me with a camera. This is an offence. | :40:04. | :40:10. | |
That was my attempt to talk to Dr Barani, who has been top of the | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
list as far as allegations over the drugs trials are concerned. Little | :40:13. | :40:23. | |
:40:23. | :40:24. | ||
wonder he's a little media shy. So who is in charge of the doctors? | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
Dr Bahgit is head of the Ethics Committee, whose job it is to | :40:28. | :40:34. | |
approve and supervise drug trials at MY hospital. How did it all go | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
wrong? We never say we are infallible, our lemtations are | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
known to us and everyone around. Certainly because there is a lot of | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
money being poured out. Do you think you are losing control? | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
from what is coming up and what is expected, we may have lost control. | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
But it is not just the hospital here, a recent parliamentary report | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
suggests that the entire country could be losing control over drug | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
trials. Not least because India has only half the number of qualified | :41:07. | :41:14. | |
drug inspectors, needed to cope with demand. | :41:14. | :41:20. | |
Still in state of Madhya Pradesh, I left Indore, to find more | :41:20. | :41:27. | |
irregularities in the conduct of trials in the town of Bhopal. A | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
town linked to the world's worst industrial action. When an | :41:31. | :41:41. | |
:41:41. | :41:41. | ||
explosion at the Union Carbide plant caused some 25,000 deaths. | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
The only good thing to come out of the disaster was this. A state-of- | :41:47. | :41:53. | |
the-art hospital, built as part of a compensation agreement. The | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
Bhopal Memorial Hospital was built, to treat those still suffering from | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
the disaster. Some half a million locals were affected. Little did | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
they know, when they came to the hospital, some of them would be | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
used for India's clinical drug troils. | :42:08. | :42:13. | |
-- trials. This man told me his sight was | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
damaged in the accident. Five years ago he suffered a heart attack and | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
went to the memorial hospital. His discharge papers show he was part | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
of a trial by a British company. AstraZeneca admit that routine | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
monitoring revealed a few of the trial subjects had not given proper | :42:31. | :42:38. | |
consent. But say that this man was not one of them. He says he was not | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
told about the trial, and it affected him badly. | :42:42. | :42:47. | |
TRANSLATION: No, I haven't heard of AstraZeneca. I want to say this to | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
them, please don't do these trials on poor people. Rich people can | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
overcome problem. If I can't work, the whole family suffers. Why did | :42:55. | :43:05. | |
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they choose us? Why indeed? Professor Mishra helped set up the | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
memorial hospital and served on the Ethics Committee. These trials are | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
carried out for the benefit of those individuals who are suffering | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
from particular disease, and there is a drug which can give them | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
relief. But haven't these people suffered enough already, they have | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
survived one of the worst industrial accidents in history, | :43:24. | :43:30. | |
and now they are being put at risk in a drug trial? The way you are | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
talking you would block the development of medicines for the | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
rest of time. Why choose these people? Can you find out that this | :43:39. | :43:45. | |
drug is likely to produce such a side effect, without using it? | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
choose gas disaster survivors? question I cannot answer, that was | :43:48. | :43:56. | |
not my job to find out. This man's father was also a gas | :43:56. | :44:01. | |
victim, who was given drugs by the hospital after a heart attack. When | :44:01. | :44:07. | |
his father ran out of the drug, he tried to buy some more. | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
TRANSLATION: I went to the market to buy them. I was told they were | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
only available from the hospital. Only then did I realise he was on a | :44:15. | :44:23. | |
drug trial. I feel very bad that my dad died because of those drugs.. | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
This claim is impossible to verify, again, there was no autopsy. On the | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
trial development it says the British company, GlaxoSmithKline, | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
are the sponsor, are responsible and are the investigators for trial. | :44:38. | :44:44. | |
But GSK told us they bought the rights to the drug while the trial | :44:44. | :44:50. | |
was carried out by a French company called Sanofi, named as | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
collaborators on the document. They told us that it was conducted but | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
an Indian research association. The drug trial set up can be | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
complicated. Drug companies might team up with medical research | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
bodies. And they will delegate the work to what in India are called, | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
clinical, research, outsourcing companies. When there have been | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
allegation of malpractice in the past, the drug companies have | :45:14. | :45:24. | |
:45:24. | :45:24. | ||
tended to put the blame on those local companies. | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
It is well nigh impossible for the subjects of drug trials across | :45:28. | :45:34. | |
India to seek compensation. Lawyers are now talking about vicarious | :45:34. | :45:41. | |
liability. I met a British barrister, here to look into it. He | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
had had just got hold of a damning parliamentary report, that claims | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
that some doctors, carrying out drug trials, the called experts, | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
had simply signed the opinion, written by the invisible hand of | :45:54. | :46:00. | |
drug manufacturers. There are rule concerns about, at the very least, | :46:01. | :46:07. | |
collision between experts and -- collusion between experts and the | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
drug manufacturers, and at Washington Post it is suggesting a | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
fraud is taking place, that the reports are being signed off | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
without any independent, clinical scrutiny of their findings, and the | :46:19. | :46:24. | |
way in which conclusions have been expressed. The drug companies | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
organise that they carry out many trials in different countries | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
concurrently. But, by the end of this year, thousands of people in | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
India will have taken part in trials and their reaction, real or | :46:37. | :46:44. | |
otherwise, would have been taken into account. Two days after my | :46:44. | :46:51. | |
encounter with the doctor, I read that he had been transferred from N | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
MY hospital. Nearly every day the papers expose more of the scandal, | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
which does little to comfort those who may never know why their loved | :46:59. | :47:09. | |
:47:09. | :47:09. | ||
ones died, and for whom compensation is a remote prospect. | :47:09. | :47:19. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 41 seconds | :47:19. | :48:01. | |
That's all from Newsnight tonight, no time for more, we will leave you, | :48:01. | :48:11. | |
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well, with the play out, really, well, with the play out, really, | :48:11. | :48:18. | |
good night! Hello, we are looking at a wet and windy night, that rain | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
slowly clears away first thing in the morning. It may well just | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
linger up into the Northern Isles and the wind is a feature here. It | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
is a case of sunny spells and scattered showers. A cold feel to | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
the day. Temperatures struggling to get up into double figures. Some | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
sunny spells here. We might see nine or ten in the London area, | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
fewer showers here. There will be a cluster of showers out into the | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
south and west. Some of these showers, as we push further north | :48:46. | :48:53. | |
and west could be heavy, with hail and thunder as well. A shattering | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
of showers close to Anglesey, across the Isle of Man and into | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
Northern Ireland. By the middle of the afternoon, some showers could | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
be well organised. Heavy with hail and thunder. We can't rule out a | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
wintry flavour to the tops of higher ground in Scotland as well. | :49:09. | :49:19. | |
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