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The Taliban tried to silence her, but today Malala addressed the


world. So let us wage a global struggle against it literacy, d


illiteracy, poverty, let us pick up our books and our pens, they are


our most powerful weapon. But were the politicians really listening,


we will ask Pakistan's ambassador to the UN, a pioneering Saudi film


maker and a minister educated in Bangladesh. After the wife of


Alexander Litvinenko is denied an inquiry into her husband's killing


she says she will fight on. And then...The Whole Alan Whicker


island. There is too many. remember the original travelling


man. The two superheros from Seattle here to tell us how to


protect the streets of London. Good evening, Malala Yousafzai had


a 16th birthday she will never forget, nor one the UN will ever


forget. Will her moving, powerful speech at the General Assembly in


New York become the movement in history by changed the fortune of


girls and young women denied an education, or will the passion and


fervour she's trying to imbue in world leaders dissipate like so


much else. The Taliban tried to deny this feisty teenager not only


an education but her life. In a moment we will discuss what it


would take to educate girls, not only in Pakistan, but around the


world. From the Swat Valley in Pakistan,


via a Birmingham hospital bed, to the United Nations in New York.


This has been the extraordinary journey of Malala. Last October her


life was nearly cut short by an aSAS san's bullet, after she had --


assassin's bullet, after she had written a BBC Urdu blog about


education. With only a faint sign of her injureies, she spent her


16th birthday like no other. She reflected on why she was there.


Taliban shot me on the left side of my forehead, they shot my friends


too. They thought that the bullet would silence us. But they failed.


And out of that silence came thousands of voices. The terrorists


thought that they would change my aims and stop my ambitions. But


nothing changed in my live exSeptember this. Weakness, fear,


and hopelessness died, strength, power and courage was born.


speech was about defiance but also forgiveness and non-violence. She


saw herself in the tradition of Gandhi and Martin Luther King.


not even hate the Taliban who shot me, even if there was a gun in my


hand and he stands in front of me, I would not shoot him. But here is


a reminder of what Malala and her many supporters are up against.


When a reporter who had grown up in Pakistan recently returned there


for Newsnight, she interviewed a hardline Mullah who runs a girls'


Madrassah, he made it abundantly clear that Malala is now regarded


as a dangerous figure. TRANSLATION: She talked about being open-minded


and liberal, on the Internet. She said there is no need for the veil,


and she always spoke against Islam, that is why the west like her. She


crossed Islamic boundaries, and that is wrong. Today at the UN


though Malala was undeterred by her opponents, instead she confidently


argued for the need for universal primary education. The full extent


of that problem has been revealed in a UN paper to mark Malala Day.


57 million children are kept out of school, of those 28 million live in


the world's conflict zones. Nigeria, Pakistan and Ethiopia are the


countries with the worst records. But Malala's main concern is for


young girls like herself. Her message, "empower yourselves".


us pick up our books and our pens, they are our most powerful weapons.


One child, one teacher, one book and one pen can change the world.


Education is the only solution. Education first, thank you.


Joining us now from New York is Pakistan's ambassador to the UN,


here in the studio is a Labour MP and Shadow Minister for


International Development and a Saudi Arabian film director.


Ambassador first of all, was today embarrassing for Pakistan or a


reason to celebrate. Because it doesn't show the country in a


particularly good light? There was no embarrassment it was a cause for


sl operation as a matter of fact. I sat through that session and I


enjoyed every moment of it. Many in the audience were moved to tears


because of the passionate words Malala used. Very few people know


that Malala was a national icon before she became an international


icon. She was a celebrity in Pakistan before she was shot. So


what I want to tell you is what comes out of this day today is


noblity of Malala. Her readiness to forgive and I think that in


Pakistan we are proud of her. She sums up the essence of Pakistan, no


embarrassment add all. On the BBC Urdu on-line traffic and social


media, by the end of the day 70% of the comments on this BBC traffic


was negative to Malala, words like "prostitute", "cursed woman", some


of it so offensive it couldn't be kept up. Isn't it insurmountable in


Pakistan to change these attitudes? It is not, when Malala is waging


this struggle and people in Pakistan are waging a struggle for


education, against violence, against extremism, you should give


credit to the state of Pakistan and to the people of Pakistan. Let me


tell you that the dynamic, the dialectic here is between violence


on the one hand and education on the other. You know the person who


shot Malala he was preaching violence, he wanted to put across


his point of view through coercion, Malala used another vehicle,


education. And the whole of Pakistan stands for that. I want to


ask you, Malala is not in Pakistan now, when and if she will go back


is a matter for the future. What is your Government doing now to make


sure that every girl, for example, in the Swat Valley, can go to


school safely. Because many don't? We are doing whatever we can. There


is a war going on, there is war against terrorism. I think that's


the root cause of all the violence that has proliferated throughout


Pakistan. We have to fix this. We have to staunch this violence which


is spreading. Let me tell you that Malala said something very profound,


her voice has been heard, but because of her today here in the


United Nations, she want that the voices of other victims all around


the world should be heard. Let me tell you that Pakistan in this


regard is proactive. Terrorists threatened there would be no


elections, we went ahead and held elections, they said there should


be no polio campaign, we went ahead and conducted a polio campaign. We


went ahead with vaccination. So you have to compliment the genius of


the people of Pakistan and their resill yeoints in -- resilience in


the face of threats and violence. Malala said it is about educational


opportunities at every level. You made a pioneering film about a


young girl, and by a large education at school is good for


young women, but at every level. What happens in Saudi is it is not


about equal opportunities after school it is about segregation, it


is about not being able to drive a car. How much needs to change


across the world for opportunities for women? Well yeah definitely


there is so much to change when it comes to women. It is amazing to


see young girls like Malala who is coming and voicing their opinion


and they have this sort of confidence. And I hope in places


like Saudi, where they have a very heavyweight when it comes to


politics and it comes to the economy in the Middle East. Because


Saudi is moving away from being a very conservative state and more


moderate and they are opening up. Can you put pressure on Pakistan?


don't know if we can put pressure, I don't know I'm not a politician.


But I feel like Saudi is a leader in this, a leading country. It


leads by example and it is very important to see it opening up.


we have to say that it leads by example but you can't drive in


Saudi? I can't drive, but next year I start. The doctors can't work in


hospitals treating men, this is the problem. You set up this huge


expectation in Saudi for young women going to school and then the


problems start? Now it is an exciting time in Saudi Arabia, it


is a moving and changing society. The pressure comes, I unwhat Mr


Ambassador was saying, it is a pressure -- I understand what Mr


Ambassador was saying, the pressure comes from conservative forces that


can't accept change, it is very difficult for them to move away


from those conservative values. What can you do to politicians in


this country when they are handing out international aid, sub-Saharan


Africa has a dreadful record for girls in school. Don't you have to


be tougher about the way aid is calibrated and the demands you make


for that aid? What Malala has symbolised is a form of


international leadership that says to world politicians this is a


rallying cry. If you don't sees this moment then it will be too --


seize this moment then it will be too late for millions of girls


around the world. This is a very important time, including the


western Governments like here, to show leadership and put women's


rights and empowerment and human rights at the heart of the agenda


and set govern ance. We are about to withdraw from Pakistan and the


requirements we were making in terms of the women's issues have


been lessened on the way out of Pakistan? We have a huge aid budget


to Pakistan. Afghanistan, I mean? Absolutely. And that sets a huge


challenge when we engage in peace processes women's voices are not at


the heart of the debate, violence and sexual violence is used as a


weapon of war against women as well as in these sorts of cases.


ambassador was talking about the Swat being a warzone, literally


just now with terrorism. But is this about poverty, is it about


culture, is it about religion? is about a number of issues. The


first one is it is about certain groups, extremist groups, trying to


hijack the agenda. We need to create the space for women like


Malala to be safe and secure so that they can speak up as she is


doing for their countries. There is a great tradition in the sub-


continent of women speaking up and fighting for their rights. Our


Governments need to empower and support them. Do you think it is


about poverty, culture or religion? I think it is all mixed up, I don't


think there is a clear answer. That is the pure reason. I think it is a


lot of the religious practices are mixed, especially in Saudi with


social and tribal practices and all tangled and people sometimes don't


distinguish, they don't know what is like social, what is the


religious and what is all that. But certainly in places like Pakistan


and Saudi Arabia to a certain degree it is very tribal. There is


a pressure on the individual and from the collective. People cannot


take personal choices and stuff like that. Just to finish with you,


you honoured and said that it was a tremendous moment and an honour to


be there in front of Malala. Will women's freedom, freedoms now be


made a priority for the Pakistan Government after today? It has been


a priority, let me tell you. It remains a priority of the new


Government under the leadership of Mr Sharif. Let me also tell you and


let me reassure you that there are millions of Malalas in Pakistan,


there is a Malala in every house in Pakistan. Because we represents our


spirit, the spirit of Pakistan. Yes, I was listening to you, there are


three problems, of course there is illiteracy and there is poverty and


terrorism. This is a very, very vicious brew, we are pitted against


it. We are mobilising all our resources to fight this menace. But


Malala's missage is larger than that. It is not -- message is


larger than that, it is not just Pakistan, it is the poverty and


marginalisation of girls around the world. Thank you very much indeed


all of you. At the very last minute the Home Secretary, Theresa May,


today denied the widow of the poisoned MI6 consultant, Alexander


Litvinenko, a public inquiry into his death. After his murder in


London seven years ago relations between Britain and Russia became


very strained as the finger of blame was pointed at two men from


Russia who hus a meeting with Mr Litvinenko. Sir Robert Owen, the


coroner had requested a public inquiry to look at secret evidence


relating to the Russian state's involvement in the killing. In what


Marina Litvinenko called a political decision the Home Office


blocked it. Earlier today I spoke to her and asked her for her


reaction to the news. First of all we were waiting for this news a


long time. It was supposed to be the 1st of July we were waiting for


the news, whether or not we would have the public inquiry. Then it


was 9th of July and no news. When we went in the morning to the


courtroom we were just not sure what we were expecting. And the


coroner said it is only 10. 15 and he received the news the Government


declined our request for public inquiry. What do you feel about


that kind of treatment? I was surprised. Is this the way to treat


people in a court or why did the news come so late? For me it was


still more questions to my lawyers why it has happened? Of course they


can't answer me because it is probably not the first time but it


is not very often happened to people. It is not very often


happened to people that the Home Office phones an hour before being


due in court to say there will be no inquiry? There was no


explanation. No explanation at all? No. Your coroner believed only at a


public inquiry could some of the evidence come out about your


husband's connections with MI6. What kind of connections were they


with MI6? He was consulted for information about Russian organised


crime. So it wasn't a case that this was no James Bond agent?


Absolutely. I think his job, like a consultant for MI6 started for two


or three years. The coroner felt you absolutely had to have a public


inquiry for particular evidence to be revealed. What was that


evidence? The first time we listened about this evidence was


December last year. It was quite special for us, it was the first


time in an official way that was said this is evidence of the


Russian state behind this crime. Before we can talk about this but


we could not prove it. After February and May it was the first


time coroner said he can't go through because he wasn't able to


use this evidence. Do you feel safe on a day-to-day basis in London?


did feel safe even before Sasha died. For us it started to be home,


for our son who was just six years old, and now he's 19, he has spent


most of his life here. It is difficult to say is he English or


Russian? When Sasha died I received this question almost every


interview, "do you feel safe"? It is difficult to say. Would you feel


safe if you were in Russia? For the last 13 years I have not been in


Russia. It is quite a long time much every time when we discuss


whether or not I would be safe if I deciding to I don't know really.


What has been the impact of all this on you personally? I came


because of my husband. I support his decision to go to England and


when I lost him I was just like what do I have to do, what is next?


The decision to go through and just find this truth probably is keeping


me strong. Have you enough fight in you, enough money, enough


everything to keep going until you find out the truth? You know


probably I will look at Sasha and what he did for us and what I


remember about him. I know what he would do if it was happened


something to his friend or to us. It makes me feel I have to do this.


I have to do this because it is of his name, of his memory and I have


to have some kind of, not finish, but finalising and I can't say to


relax, but to be sure for myself I did everything for him. Thank you


very much. Rohan Bewick, who died today at the


age Alan Whicker who died today brought the world to people for


themselves. Interviewing notorious people to the fabulously rich and


wonderfully strange. Many travel journalists have tried to fill Alan


Whicker's perfectly polished shoes. Whicker's World was the last word


in cosmopolitan travel and elegant broad kags. It had the music,


broadcasting. It had the music, so what if it dropped the apostrophe


from time to time, that is how urbane and sophisticated it was.


And, of course it had one of the most singular front men in the


business. Often imitated, almost amputated, but never duplicated.


There is always something awful out there just beyond the shadows, or


something unspeakable about to happen in some sinister dungeon.


wanted to write and travel. And journalist being seemed to be the


way. There was a lot of romance about being a correspondent which I


eventually became, which was the target. Alan Whicker joined the


BBC's Tonight Programme from Fleet Street, like others since he was


glad to quit the inky streets for late night news programmes at the


corporation. As I stroll along with an independent air! Unlike many in


television Alan Whicker could actually write. Commemorated in


song and suicide the casino, sugar- cake charming or seductively wicked


dominated this incredible village. While over the hill the Monte Carlo


beach, while not a beach and not in Monte Carlo. There he is in these


exotic places and he takes you with him. He was incredibly inclusive,


he knew he was there on your behalf and he was having fun, didn't


pretend he wasn't having a jolly good time and staying in great


hotels. We don't do that any more, of course. But he did it on behalf


of the viewers. The long-running Whicker's World kicked off at the


country pile of reclusive billionare J Paul Getty, who


thoughtfully installed a pay phone for guests. Alan Whicker maintained


you could do anything as long as you did it with charm. You seemed


seem a melancholy man, your normal expression is not normally a happy


one, you often seem so miserable people must believe your money has


not brought you happiness? suppose that's the effect I suppose


of responsibility. Alan Whicker also encountered the dictator of


Haiti Papa Doc Duvalier. You have had the worst international press


of any President I have known. got away with a lot but it was


partly this attitude which is charm, authoritativeness, and a refusal


really to compromise. You could see that in his garments. I mean he


dressed everywhere, it might be in Alaska, he could be in Haiti, and


he would dress like some old fashioned bank manager who had once


been a major in the army. He didn't change at all. A problem people who


are fast disappearing off the face of the earth. A race who one might


say are losing...That Changeless persona was famously sent up by the


Pythons. Where only reality is missing...Hello, Alan Whicker here.


And by the man himself. Hello I'm sitting here in Sam Suhimo to


salute the city break. I'm always voted the luckiest man


in the world, the one everyone envys because I never do work. I go


to wonderful places talking to attractive girls all the time, no


wonder, it is the best job in the world. They blow my cover! There


have been some strange sightings in London this week. Linked to the


fact that the capital has been hosting a symposium for people with


superpowers, not literally but people think they have a superpower


role in fighting crime, keeping communities safe. They see


themselves rather like Special Constables but not in such mundane


uniforms. In fact they also describe themselves as costumed


activists. Felix Stone and his wife came over to London from Seattle to


offer advice about keeping the streets clean rather than mean.


Phoenix Jones, and Purple Rain, real identity unknown are roaming


the city. So to test out their geek credentials, we took them comic


shopping at superhero Mecca Forbidden Planet. Do you have Bat


Girl Vol12. They headed for two of got tham City's finest, Bat Girl,


but unlike fans, Phoenix Jones is a triple black belt and semi-


professional martial arts fighter. So he and his wife are living the


dream. Wearing body armour on nightly patrols, breaking up


drunken punch-ups, occasional low getting stabbed, allegedly pepper


spraying protestors, something he denies. It sound like an average


day in the Seattle police force rather than a costumed vigilante.


Yet the city attorney has called him "deeply misguided" and he has


once been arrested for assault. Why does Phoenix Jones do it? Here is


the man himself, with Purple Rain at his side. Where are you on the


streets? You know I think it is time for citizens to really stand


up and defend themselves and what we believe in. It is always a good


time to look out for your brothers and fellow citizens, that is what


we represent. Give us an example of how you intervene? For the most


part when we are out we are wearing cameras so we are able to collect


video evidence when crimes are taking place. We go and we


deescalate the situation. We help the victims if necessary if they


need first aid, we call 911, or here 999 and get the police.


have done some superhero work on the streets? We have patrolled but


not run across crime yet. streets of London are not giving


you what you want at the moment. Why not just call the police?


call the police. I think it is important to note that we don't


want to take the role of the police, the police have a job that is very


important. When the police show up it is cool to have video evidence.


Do they like you? The police in Seattle like us now, not when we


start. What has changed, how do you operate with the police? We operate


before they get there. When they show up I give a video and write a


police report and testify in court if I have to. You are not wearing


your mask because we are law- abiding people and a you don't have


to, are you not threatening? really, people in Seattle know what


it is, they have come to understand and respect what we do. They are


not offended by it. You are really channelling something else, are you


superheros or vigilantes it is more? No.It is about Night Wing


and Bat Girl, it is more about that than anything else isn't it? No, so


a lig lantity is somebody who exacts their own form of --


vigilantly is someone who exacts their own form of justice, what we


do is something different, you hurt someone we stop you and hold you


accountable for the laws that the citizens vote for. I have never


hurt anybody on patrol, I have been hurt been I have never hurt anyone.


Are you trying to get something going here, or are there superheros


hiding in the twilight area of London that we don't know? There


are a couple of guys we have been hanging out with and teaching them


cool stuff. On the streets with this amazing stuff on, are you


reasonably protected when you are out there, you have been stabbed?


On the streets of Seattle I have armour and bulletproof vests, it is


not useful here. We have stab- resistant plates. People know you


in Seattle, do they run for the hills when they see you? Usually


when we are out there people want to shake our hands and give us


high-fives, they are happy to see us. People will laugh when they are


having a fight they laugh at as you and instead of fighting each other,


we are doing our job. Is this about responding to things that have


happened to you in the past is it a way of dealing with things? Some


people have coping mechanisms, other people decide to be a leader


or champion of something. We decided instead of a bad thing


happening to us we stand for something. When we go out there we


tell citizens it is time to stand up and defend each other and


believe in something. You better get going, thank you very much


indeed. Time for tomorrow morning's front pages, two front pages Malala


on the front of the Times and the That's about t I will be back on


Monday. The Russian agency responsible for Kremlin security is


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