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accused of delate. While the batteries on the flight black box | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
recorder are running out. Could this be the wreckage of the missing | :00:25. | :00:32. | |
plane, as we are looking at the search area. The man who provided | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
the crucial information is here. Would you like to cash in your | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
pension, buy one of these? The Government's new rules say no | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
problem. If people do buy a Lambourghini but know they will live | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
on the state pension, that becomes their choice and the state is much | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
less concerned about that. But surely no-one would be that daft. | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
I'm going to spend, spend, spend. The Pensions Minister will be here | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
to clarify. A what happens when you write about your every emotion? | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
Answer, you might get a best seller, but half your family stops talking | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
to you. . "I had long wished him dead, but from the very second I | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
realised his life could soon be over, I began to hope for it". It's | :01:20. | :01:30. | |
morning in Malaysia, and for the families still waiting to learn the | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
fate of the 239 passengers and crew of flight MH-370, more importantly | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
searches are about to resume 2,000 miles off the Australian coast. That | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
is where grainy images were captured, that appear to be the | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
first genuine clues of the plane's where abouts. The first | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
investigations of that area turned up nothing. But it is still the | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
centre of the search. Yet tonight there is pressure on the Malaysian | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
Government over whether they have acted fast enough. Jim Reid is in | :02:01. | :02:09. | |
Kuala Lumpur for us this evening. It is around six. 30 in the morning | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
here, and this building behind me is where many of the family members of | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
people who boarded the plane are staying here in Kuala Lumpur. In | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
around half an hour's time the sun here will come up, it will also rise | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
in western Australia. That will mean that flights once again, search | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
flights, can resume to this area identified yesterday round about | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
4,000 miles from here. As you said, satellite imagery, commercial | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
satellite imagery appeared to show large pieces of debris beneath the | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
surface there, which could or could not be related, we don't know yet, | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
to this missing plane. Also overnight we learned that data which | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
could have helped identify and pinpoint that area was passed to the | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
Malaysian authorities ten days ago. But wasn't used straightaway. That's | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
clearly important, if this plane did ditch into the sea, then the longer | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
that debris is held under water the more chance there is that it is | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
moved by currents and tides and therefore just not found at all over | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
time. Overalthough, what this tells us is that at the end of all this | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
this is the best lead yet in this long-running saga. A lead which, an | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
investigation which has been criticised by many from the start. A | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
warning that this report contains some flash photography. | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
Two tiny specks on a grainy photograph, now the centre of a huge | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
international search. 29 aircraft, 18 ships, and six helicopters are | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
now looking for one missing plane and the 269 people on board. | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
Military aircraft sent out from the Australian coast west, deep into the | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
Indian Ocean. Their job is to find the pleases of debris on the | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
satellite images. The largest is 24ms long, the lead is said to be | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
credible. At a news conference, Malaysia's Defence Minister had | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
something solid to report for the first time in days. REPORTER: | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
Minister you keep using the word "credible", can you explain what | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
makes it so different? Right now the information that we have received | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
from the Australian authorities was actually coroborated to a certain | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
extent from other satellites, this is something that we can bring our | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
ships acrosses? This is something the two prime ministers spoke to, | :04:36. | :04:44. | |
that makes it different from the earlier leads. From the naval base | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
they are sent down to the southern corridor, the swathe where satellite | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
readers show the plane may have been heading. A military radar station up | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
the coast from here picks up one of the last signals from the plane, as | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
it left Malaysian airspace and flew west across the strait. Two weeks | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
after that plane went missing this country is still looking for | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
answers. Malaysia's ruling party in power without a break since 1955 is | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
not used to this kind of pressure, this kind of scrutiny, both from the | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
international community and from its own citizens. | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
It is in large cities with a tech friendly population that the | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
Government is being tested. Newspapers and TV stations are | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
heavily regulated or controlled by allies of the Government. But | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
millions of young Malaysians are getting their news in other ways | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
these days, on blogs and on Twitter people are free to report what they | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
want. Because there is a general distrust I think there is a lot of | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
media coverage about how inefficient the Government has been, how slow it | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
has been and things, people have latched on to that rhetoric as well, | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
to use it and go, they might be lying, are they hiding stuff. That | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
kind of thing on top of speculation, the lying accusations are coming | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
out. It is everywhere on the Internet. That all came to a head | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
this week when Chinese relatives of missing passengers tried to storm | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
the daily news conference and were dragged away by security. The | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
Malaysian Government has been repeatedly accused of wasting | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
valuable time and announcing crucial details only to U-turn completely | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
the next day. Just this evening British satellite operators said | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
there were strong indications ten days ago that the Boeing 777 would | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
be found either in the southern part of the Indian Ocean or central Asia | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
and not in the seas around Malaysia where a wild goose chase continued | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
for at least two days after that information was passed on. Ministers | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
here in Malaysia say no other country has had to deal with the | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
situation like this before. A source close to the Government told us th | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
western media is simply biased against the developing world and the | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
level of criticism is, in his words, below the belt. The most influential | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
opposition figure in Malaysian politics is currently facing a | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
five-year jail term, he claims long-standing charges of sod me, | :07:18. | :07:24. | |
still technically -- sodomy, still technically illegal here are false. | :07:25. | :07:33. | |
It episode confirms what we have been saying for decade, which is | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
that this poor governance, authoritarian, they will use | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
anything just to stifle the opposition. Is there a danger that | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
many people in Malaysia are going to look at this and think you are | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
exploiting this tragedy for political gains? I'm sharing | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
information to help. What else do you expect me to do, to say it is OK | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
they are handling it brilliantly? But you know the facts prove | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
otherwise, things have to change. I strongly urge the Government last | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
week in parliament to say, please, acknowledge your faults and move on. | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
Release the information, apologise for the shortcomings. But this | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
situation also offers an insight into the nuances of diplomacy and | :08:22. | :08:28. | |
power in modern south-east Asia. 153 of the passengers on board the | :08:29. | :08:38. | |
flight are from mainland China. Kuala Lumpur's peddling district, | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
the threat by the relatives to go on hunger strikes is big news. The | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
links between Malaysia and China are strong, a quarter of all Malaysians | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
are ethnic Chinese. What might have united the two countries, that | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
relationship has become more and more trained as time as gone on. The | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
Chinese Ambassador was using very undiplomatic language this week, | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
complaining of chaos and rumours making it impossible to think. The | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
Chinese Government was under tremendous pressure, especially in | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
the Chinese social media space. The young Chinese people nowadays they | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
realised that China is a growing power, what they couldn't understand | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
is why the Chinese Government put more pressure, couldn't they put | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
more pressure being a regional power on a small country like Malaysia to | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
do more in terms of search and rescue operations. Search planes | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
will make a new attempt to reach the suspicious debris, floating | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
somewhere in the Indian Ocean. If and when the objects do turn out to | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
be the missing airliner, the attention turns to another, bigger | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
question, what exactly happened to the flight. With us now are my | :09:48. | :10:06. | |
guests. Chris, briefly, explain what your satellite company does? It is a | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
global satellite operator, we concentrate with data and voice, we | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
operate the global maritime distress service and operate safety services | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
for the aircraft and your reporter was using our equipment. What | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
precisely did you give to the Malaysians in terms of information | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
and crucially, when? When you mean the Malaysians that is the Malaysian | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
investigation, on Tuesday we gave a plot that our engineers thought | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
might be of use to the inquiry which had a north and south run to it. | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
Because of the nature of the information just a sim ping with no | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
GPS data we could give no more than a suggested route. When did they act | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
on that information, we are on Thursday? We gave it on Tuesday, and | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
we can't say when they decided to act on it, I would note that the US | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
sent ships down to the south on Thursday morning. There was a delay, | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
a time during which they could have been searching in a more precise | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
area than the vast corridors we have been talking about over the last | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
couple of days? Clearly we are not here to criticise the Malaysian | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
Government, far from it, it has been a difficult time for them. What we | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
would say is we provided broad data for people to look at. As far as you | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
know, did they pass that kind of information on to other countries, | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
particularly China, and would it have been helpful for them to do so | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
as far as you know? Well the investigation itself is something | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
that I can't comment on, as far as I know China would have been an | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
interested party and we would have been clearly expecting that to have | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
been passed on. David you know how these things work, it does appear | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
that there has been a delay. How would that delay have had an effect | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
on ever finding the plane? Every day is absolutely crucial, and in a | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
search like this, with time, information degrades. Looking at the | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
surface wreckage, even at a very minimal current, ocean current of | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
one nautical mile it spreads out each day 24 nautical miles. So after | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
eight days that wreckage could be 200 nautical miles away from where | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
the plane actually plunged into the ocean. In terms of layman's miles, | :12:17. | :12:24. | |
200 nautical miles? Nautical miles are 15% bigger than a statute mile, | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
about 230 miles. Very significant distances in terms of this kind of | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
search. The crucial piece of evidence, the black box, it stops | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
working after some time, 30 days doesn't it? It is a pinger attached | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
to the black box which can you can use to locate T that is the key | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
window of opportunity that is closing very fast. As soon as the | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
black box and the pinger is submerged into sea water it starts | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
pinging, once a second, it will do that for approximately 30 days then | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
the batteries won't last after that. Sometimes actually they don't even | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
last 30 days. So by the time they can actually get the equipment out | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
into this area of the world to start listening for the pinger you are | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
probably looking at something in the order of 22 days. There is probably | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
only a handful of days left. Even if they start mobilising this equipment | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
virtually overnight. We are in an absolutely critical time window | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
here, that as you suggest is closing very fast. If they do, in the search | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
tomorrow, manage to confirm that this is debris from the plane, what | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
happens next then, that is, in a sense, the start of the next phase? | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
Then they remobilise all the assets that have been searching everywhere | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
else in the world, the planes, the aircraft, bring them all into this | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
one zone and then they have to start looking for multiple pieces of | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
wreckage, because tracking this back to the plunge point, based on one | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
piece is very difficult. There will be a lot more wreckage in the water | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
that they will be able to use to help do that back tracking. You are | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
very experienced in having done this. Just describe the scale of | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
what they are trying to achieve here, the difficulty? This is | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
unprecedented in terms of searching for an aircraft that has been lost, | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
it is almost a search within a search within a search and another | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
search on top of that. The first thing they have to do is locate this | :14:22. | :14:28. | |
potential wreckage that was seen on eight days after the plane crash, | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
four days ago, five days ago tomorrow. That alone could have | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
drifted over 100 nautical miles away. They need to find that and use | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
that to back track them to where the other wreckage is, and then to back | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
track it to the plunge point and then you start with the sub-sea | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
search. That is just the surface search. Then you have to try to | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
listen to the pinger, time is running out, if you don't hear the | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
pinger you are dealing with an enormous search box. Much larger | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
than anything we saw with Air France. So this step would be the | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
first of many if it is indeed the correct one to take. We are sadly on | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
day 13 now, briefly to both of you with experience in this, do you | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
think it is viable that we will find the plane? I think the window is | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
closing and even a couple of days ago I thought it was very, very | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
difficult and they really have to get lucky, they have to find | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
wreckage quickly, they have to find maybe, listen, hear something from | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
the pinger but it is really getting very tight now. To you Chris, do you | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
think this will be found? It is more a case of isn't it time to mandate | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
all aircraft having tracking devices on board, it is done for the North | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
Atlantic why not the rest of the world. Thank you very much for | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
joining us tonight. Money doesn't quite make the world go round, but | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
it is probably what preoccupies politicians more than anything else. | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
At least these days. But should it? Sir gust O'Donnell who rose to the | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
top of the Civil Service as an expert bean counter believes with | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
the benefit of hindsight believes there should be much more to | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
Westminster, mandarins and ministers should focus on our well being | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
instead. That sounds rather nice, what does it mean in terms of | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
concrete policies? Well, that was my first question. Why don't we have | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
three manifestos that say how we are going in the five years we will have | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
in the next fixed-term parliament to improve the well being of you. We | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
have measures now, we know that actually in the last couple of years | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
well-being has been going up in the UK. What would you put in those | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
manifestos then? I would say we really need to care about | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
unemployment, I would be very tough love, I think just giving people | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
benefits and not getting them engaged with the Labour market is a | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
mistake. We need to get people into work that improves their | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
self-esteem. I would be much fiercer on the conditionality tests. I would | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
be saying people at the moment I think they need to engage in three | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
attempts to get jobs to get benefits, I would increase that | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
dramatically. A tougher approach on unemployment? A tougher approach on | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
unemployment. I would definitely be reallocating resources towards | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
mental health, that is hugely important. I would change the | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
treatments, far too many of the treatments are giving people | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
antidepressants. I think building stronger communities. It is quite | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
interesting, and I agree this is a long-term thing, but if you look at | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
those countries that are really getting it right, in the | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
Scandinavians, they have 60% of people who trust each other. You | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
look at the Anglo-Saxon countries that goes down to 30-40%, southern | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
Europe 20%, Africa a lot of them less than 10%. We need to do things | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
to encourage trust, build communities, encourage volunteering. | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
Look at the Olympics, we had a quarter of a million applicants to | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
volunteer in the Olympics, 70,000 did it. The volunteers felt good | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
about it, but we the public just seeing them felt good. It improved | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
our well being. If politicians don't already have our well being at the | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
forefront of their minds what do they have at the forefront of their | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
minds? I think quite often they get kind of dragged away to things like | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
saying let's think about GDP per capita, all of these measures that | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
are given so much coverage, dare I say it, on the media. When GDP has | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
gone up 0. 1 it is a triumph, and down the same it is a disaster. | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
Those sorts of things do buy us our national debate. I think it is | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
really important that we should be saying actually those kinds of | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
things, they will be revised substantially and they are not that | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
important. I care much more about the unemployment statistics than the | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
GDP statistics. With that in mind then, even as a former Treasury | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
economist, you are basically saying there is an element to which things | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
like yesterday's budget are a bit of a charade, they don't matter that | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
much? This is painful for me to say, having lived through decades worth | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
of budgets, but I think yes they are far less important than I think we | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
tend to say. You know the economy is driven by lots of long-run forces | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
and short-term corrections on the tiller is what they are, and yeah, | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
shouldn't be taken all that seriously. I think that this week's | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
statistics that really matter were the overall life satisfaction for | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
the UK going up. Why do we have then not just a budget but also an Autumn | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
Statement now. Would you like to see that swept away or at least going | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
back to one big financial statement a year? I would like to see | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
Government move to a longer term plan, yes, like I say, now we have | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
fixed term parliaments I don't think people have responded to this | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
enough. I would have a Spending Review which is a five-year Spending | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
Review for the whole of the next parliament, I would have that | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
conditional on economic growth figures, I would then have my budget | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
would be kind of interim reports on how we are doing along that and | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
tacking things as they inevitably will turn out different than you | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
expected. You would get rid of some of the circus, the annual date where | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
you know it will happen, you wouldn't have it any more? I think | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
it is a bit of a relic of a bygone era. Yes. He might think it is a | :20:15. | :20:22. | |
relic but budgets can still do pretty dramatic things, yesterday it | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
is proposed that pensioners should be allowed to get their mites on | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
their own -- mitts on their own money when they want it. Rather than | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
being tied into a dusty old annuity that will pay out in a miserly way. | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
Steve Webb, the Pensions Minister, said he was relaxed if retirees blew | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
it all on a Lambourghini and then lived on the state pension. We will | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
talk to him in a moment. Now we see some lucky pensioners' spending | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
plans. Some people are saying that the changes to pensions are as | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
revolutionary as Margaret Thatcher's right to buy policy. So where better | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
to find out what the grey vote makes of it all than a golf course in her | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
old constituency in Finchley. Do you think the pension change is a good | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
idea? It is a brilliant idea because it gives people the freedom to do | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
what they want with their own money. What if they go crazy? They won't. | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
People who have been in business all their lives and why should they | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
waste the money? You don't think some people might be attempted to | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
buy a sports car and go on a cruise, get a floozey? That's great idea, | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
they might, I might take that up. The cruise or the flooze? The | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
floozey. Are you going to go crazy? I'm going to spend, spend, spend. On | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
what, cars, women, cruises, where is it going? All of those. All of the | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
above! I won't spend, spend, spend. Why not? Because you have got to | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
hopefully I have got another 30, 40 years to live. You never know! The | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
Chancellor has been given credit today for delivering a politically | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
clever budget that will win over older voters, but has it really | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
worked? Has he bought your vote? No. He hasn't bought my vote and he's | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
never actually had my vote. No that's not going to sway it for me. | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
Do you think there is something rather horribly cynical about this | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
that George Osborne is buying people's votes? No. Why? Because | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
he's only doing what they should have done years ago. It's the grey | :22:41. | :22:50. | |
vote isn't it. Even though I'm auburn. Steve Webb the Lib Dem MP | :22:51. | :22:58. | |
and Pensions Minister is with me now. In you're splashed on the front | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
page of tomorrow's Sun with you pictured in said Lambourghini. | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
Whether by accident or design you have rather put your finger on the | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
problem with the policy. Some people will cash in their chips, blow their | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
cash and then end up reliant on the state won't they? With an average | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
pension pot of ?25,000 I don't think many people will be buying sports | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
cars. When your colleague said to me what about the Lambourghini set I | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
fell into my own bad habit of answering the question I was asked. | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
That is how I get on the front page of the Sun. The serious question is | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
it is people's own money. We won't cast them adrift, we will guarantee | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
them guidance, information, but ultimately making sure they have a | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
decent state pension and if they want to spend the money sooner | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
rather than later we are treating them as adults, I don't think it is | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
among. It might be a Mondeo rather than Lambourghini, do you | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
acknowledge there may be people who PLO it all very -- blow it all very | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
publicly -- quickly, even though they might get advice? We have | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
talked about people who have saved, put money by when they are working, | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
they tend to be the more frugal and careful. If you blow the lot you do | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
pay tax on it potentially at a higher rate. There are structures in | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
place that encourage you to take the money for slowly. At the end of the | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
day now we have put in place the state pension reform that I have | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
driven through that make sure people have enough to live on. It won't be | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
a king's ran some, but a bare minimum. Then they can answer | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
questions about spending money early in the retirement and less later on, | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
we should give them the choice. These are big changes starting | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
almost immediately. Do you accept it is a massive experiment with | :24:46. | :24:53. | |
people's financial security, you are guarnteeing the pension but it will | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
only hold if not future Government will tear it up. It is possible your | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
guarantee will disappear a few years down the line. We he know around the | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
world not -- we know around the world not all countries do the | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
annuity system, lots of people will still buy an annuity, we know today | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
getting on for a quarter of people don't even take the tax-free lump | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
sum they can take today. They spend their whole pension on buying an | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
income. A lot of people will still buy a pension. What we are allowing | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
is people to have different priorities, needs and expectations | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
of their later life. This system allows people to choose what's right | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
for them. Yes with guidance, we guarantee guidance free of charge, | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
face-to-face if that is what people want. You have to remember the | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
market has broken now, people are urging us to take action now. People | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
are getting poor-value products, they are not getting a good deal, | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
that is why we have to get on with it. Have you ever fancied splashing | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
a bit of a cash on a Lambourghini: I have come down here in my two-door | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
Corsa and I will be going home in it! With us now is John Bird the | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
founder of the Big Issue, and City super woman Nicola Horlick. Do you | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
think people will buy Lambourghini, course is as or whatever and blow | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
their cash if they can get at it? A lot of people will blow their cash. | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
I'm one of those people who believes you shouldn't give them the | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
opportunity to blow their cash. What is so interesting, if you look at | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
the last 100 years, that Governments have increatesingly got into -- | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
increasingly got into a situation where they have stopped people and | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
made them save money. That is what the mentions, that is what you know | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
the dole money is all about. It is about taking money, national | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
insurance money, ever since the First World War there has been that. | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
It has always been used on the basis that if you leave it to some people | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
they won't save. I'm typical, if I didn't have to save I wouldn't save. | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
And there's hundreds of thousands of people who will then become | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
vulnerable and will then be open to all the loan sharks and all those | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
other things. Nicola, do you think there is a miniboom in Lambourghini | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
or retirees splashing their cash along the way? I don't think so, I | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
think these are people already in the habit of saving, so they are | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
likely to be responsible about it. I think the thing is that an annuity | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
if you die the next day you lose all the money to the insurance company, | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
it is not great. The other thing is that the annuity rates are so poor | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
that they are generating very low amounts of income. So at least if | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
you can get your hands on the money you can then put it into, it depends | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
how much you have got, you could put it into a high-yielding unit trust, | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
or other fixed-income type instruments or if you have a decent | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
amount you might be able to buy a flat and let it out. You will get a | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
much better income that way. What is so wrong with that, that sounds | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
sensible, with people taking responsibility for themselves? There | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
is this kind of idea that you shouldn't patronise people, and | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
there is a kind of entry pat toe micing, which -- patronising. What | :28:01. | :28:10. | |
we have to do in these inclement times we live in, we have to | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
encourage people to save and keep their money and not splash out. If | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
they did exactly what you did and moved it and were clever like you, | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
who works in the City, great, but there is everybody giving you | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
advice, everybody is after your money and in my opinion this is one | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
of those kind of little pieces of ideology that is thrown in just | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
around the election time, just when they are coming up to the election. | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
Because what we are saying is all our pensioners are very sensible and | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
clever and they are going to look after themselves. But it is actually | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
not true. I know too many people who will take this money and urinate it | :28:48. | :28:55. | |
up the wall. There are plenty of us, educated, smart people as well as | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
many people who frankly don't really want to have to worry about where to | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
put their cash and financial products are terribly complex. | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
People are often ripped off by-products they don't understand. | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
There is a problem. Recent research showed 17 million people had the | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
numeracy levels of primary school children. You can still buy an | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
annuity, nobody is saying it is illegal to buy an annuity. If you | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
want to do that you can still do it. This is a very big move, this is a | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
radical move to give millions of people access to their cash and many | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
of them by not want to handle it? In my opinion it is overdue. I was | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
always felt it was wrong to force people to buy an annuity, I feel it | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
is the right thing to be done. In terms of numeracy and people's | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
understanding of financial products. Obviously it is a relatively complex | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
area, but the amount that is now written about financial services and | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
written in layman's terms is so much greater than it was 30 or 40 years | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
ago. On the whole people are much more aware of what's going on in | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
financial circles. We don't learn about finances at school, we don't | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
know how capitalism work, we don't know how insurances work. The | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
largest amount of money in the world is pension funds, it is ?50 | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
trillion. We don't know anything about that. Therefore you may say | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
that there is a lot more knowledge around but there is not any real | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
knowledge given to us at school about how the system works. | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
Can you be comfortable if it is based on the guarantee if you blow | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
all of it you have a better state pension. That only lasts for as long | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
as this current Government's promise lasts. There is no guarantee that 20 | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
years away there will be anything like the state provision there now? | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
That is always the problem, Government change things and other | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
Governments change them again. That is a problem. We generally need to | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
save more. We need to be talking to people and saying, please save. Now | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
it is very difficult obviously when we have been through a recession and | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
people have been hard up for a long period of time. But we want people | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
to save more. And I do actually think that people already have a | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
pension pot and are savers and are responsible and are not going to buy | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
a Lambourghini. Watch this space with interest. The changes begin | :31:12. | :31:19. | |
next month. Whether it is the knitwear, the leather trousers or | :31:20. | :31:25. | |
the moody camera work, we can't get enough of Scandinavian TV. Now an | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
extraordinary memoir full of Nordic noir has become a literary | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
sensation, the provocatively title, My Struggle, by the Norwegian writer | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
is a blisteringly candid account of family life. But the author himself | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
has been ostracised by some of his family. As the third volume of the | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
saga is published here. We have been to Sweden for this exclusive | :31:49. | :32:02. | |
interview with him. I want to be, you know, a good man, always wanted | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
to be good, now I'm doing something that is absolutely not good. You | :32:07. | :32:16. | |
can't say it is good, you know. How can I defend myself, can I say, my | :32:17. | :32:26. | |
literature is more important than your life? This man dreamt of being | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
a great writer and some say he is. He certainly is successful and | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
becoming well known. He did it by writing about his life in an | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
extraordinary way, a long hypnotic saga, three-and-a-half thousand | :32:45. | :32:54. | |
pages, provocatively entitled My Struggle Min Kamf. It covered the | :32:55. | :33:01. | |
banal, savouring a cup of tea. "For a while I picked up the teapot and | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
poured, dark brown, the tea rose inside the white cup". To his | :33:08. | :33:14. | |
feelings about his father. "I had long ed him dead, but the very | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
second I realised his life could be over, I began to hope for it". I | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
tried to write a novel for four or five days and I wrote every day, | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
that is what I do. It is hard to fail every day. But I was looking | :33:30. | :33:39. | |
for something, and at the end of was so frustrated I thought I would | :33:40. | :33:46. | |
write it as it was. No tricks, no nothing. Just wanted to write it. I | :33:47. | :33:54. | |
didn't think that anybody should read it or anything like that. I | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
just wanted to tell a story, which is the story of my life, basically. | :33:58. | :34:07. | |
He's married with four children, but his book isn't all happy families. | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
There is the bullying controlling figure of his late father. For his | :34:13. | :34:21. | |
part, he admits to resenting being a "new man", a hands-on dad while he | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
was burning to write. It is a question of getting through the | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
morning, the three hours of typers that have to be changed, breakfast | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
that has to be served, teeth brushed and taking them to the nursery, | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
whereupon now I have the next five hours of writing until the mandatory | :34:42. | :34:49. | |
routines for the children resume. I have three kids and two in prams and | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
with the shopping bags. Some Japanese were stopping and taking | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
photographs of me, this was the Scandinavian "man", I have no | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
problems with that. But I wanted to write about the differences between | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
how you should behave, what you should do. This is Sweden's Baltic | :35:07. | :35:19. | |
coast, but if it all looks a bit Robinson considers -- Crusoe, it is | :35:20. | :35:28. | |
very apt, he's not a castaway, but he is a devisive figure. In his | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
native Norway where his book first became a sensation, it sold half a | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
million copies in a country of five million. But people he has written | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
about have been bruised, he was disowned by some of his family after | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
recording his father's death through alcoholism in unsparing detail. | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
There has been all kinds of reactions from threats of you know | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
suing me and wanting to stop the book until the people being | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
flattered that they were in the book you know. I was kind of careless and | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
ruthless and I just did it. It was almost unbearable realising this | :36:10. | :36:19. | |
consequences of my writing. But still you know then you build up a | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
defence for yourself and I said, you know, but it is my story, it is the | :36:23. | :36:34. | |
story of my father. I returned the -- "I returned the glass to the | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
table and stubbed out of my cigarettes, there was nothing left | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
of my feelings than with those I have spent seven hours with. The | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
whole crowd of them could have burned in hell for all I cared." The | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
writer has been taken off a few Christmas card lists you suspect. | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
After six volumes, he's used everything up. His demons and | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
everyone else's, he's now writing a film script and some essays. His old | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
life as an author a struggling author is over. I wanted it to end, | :37:07. | :37:16. | |
I'm no longer an author. There is also the self-destructive thing | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
involved in it. I didn't you know die of drinking, but I did this | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
instead and I kind of gave up everything, in a way. More than | :37:29. | :37:36. | |
4,000 women in London alone have been treated on the NHS for the | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
after effects of the barbaric practice of female genital | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
mutilation. But for millions of women around the world, help is | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
almost impossible to find. So you would think the Government of a | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
country as poor as Buki in, aFaso would welcome an American charity to | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
build a hospital to treat victims. Think again, the hospital was due to | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
open two weeks ago, but it is standing idle. Women queueing up for | :38:06. | :38:17. | |
operations have been turned away. This village in western Bukino Faso, | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
doesn't have electricity or running water. And yet a sexual revolution | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
is taking place here. Up until recently every girl was genitally | :38:28. | :38:39. | |
mutilated. TRANSLATION: I was five when I was cut, we were taken to an | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
old lady, and she used the same knife on all of us. But a few years | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
ago she tells me health workers came to explain that the reason that some | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
girls died after the cutting and the problems with sex and childbirth | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
were nothing to do with witchcraft, as they had all believed, but it was | :39:00. | :39:07. | |
the cutting. She says the older women took some persuading, | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
including her mother. TRANSLATION: We all sent our daughters to be cut, | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
because we believed that without cutting they will never be married. | :39:20. | :39:26. | |
And now she tells her mother she's going to have what was cut off | :39:27. | :39:33. | |
restored. TRANSLATION: I would go if I could, but I'm too old. She tells | :39:34. | :39:44. | |
the village women about the new hospital which is offering clitoris | :39:45. | :39:52. | |
restoration. She says she has seen it with her own eyes and she's | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
going. 26 of them say they want to go with her. The oldest is 46 and at | :39:58. | :40:05. | |
24 Bebe is among the youngest. TRANSLATION: I'm going to get | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
treated because I don't get any pleasure when I have sex, only | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
Payne, now they are going to put that right. They set off in the heat | :40:13. | :40:37. | |
and dust to the hospital that promises miracles. Meanwhile, | :40:38. | :40:48. | |
surgeon, Marcy Bowers has arrived from Chicago, due to start operating | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
tomorrow, it is her first time in Africa and today she visits Bobo's | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
famous mosque. An internationally recognised expert on genital | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
surgery, she has brought five American volunteer medics with her | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
to help launch the hospital. This is a crime against humanity and FGM | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
should be banned, no-one likes t the women don't like t the men don't | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
like it, the people don't like it. I think it is time it came to | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
answered. But we need to facilitate that by allowing the people that | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
have been victimised to regain some sense of freedom. By now the village | :41:26. | :41:41. | |
women have finally arrived at their destination. The hospital which cost | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
?250,000 and eight years to build is an impressive site. But to their | :41:48. | :41:58. | |
surprise it is closed. They organise a room in the hospital grounds where | :41:59. | :42:07. | |
they can bed down and wait. The next morning the women welcome the local | :42:08. | :42:20. | |
organiser. She tells them to wait outside while she shows me the | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
hospital with all its new facilities which she says the Government have | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
just announced they are not allowed to use. She's behind the charity | :42:28. | :42:49. | |
Cliter Aid who raised the money for the hospital. They believe in UFOs | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
and promoting the pursuit of pleasure as that the of the Railian | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
movement. She believes the Government intervened because of the | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
Railian connection. I'm really upset, I have to apologise to the | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
women, they are so excited. It is about politics and I don't do | :43:08. | :43:15. | |
politics. There are 130 million women out there who need our help, | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
if somebody wants to build a hospital to them them you have to | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
let them do it. She says the mainstream religions here fear that | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
these women might, out of gratitude become Railians, as far as the women | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
are concerned, all they want is the operation they have come for. All is | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
not lost. Local doctors have rallied around and provided a clinic in the | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
town where the operations can take place. The women from the village | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
are brought here to await their turn. Bebe says she's not scared, | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
she's just ang that she was cut in the first place. TRANSLATION: I was | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
cut when I was four years old. It hurt then and it still hurts now. I | :44:03. | :44:09. | |
am very angry about it. When my husband approaches I just don't want | :44:10. | :44:18. | |
sex. Bebe is among the first. It is a simple procedure requiring a local | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
anaesthetic and lasting about 45 minutes. Dr Boweres explains the | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
women suffer different degrees of mutilation. No matter how severe, | :44:30. | :44:36. | |
even with infibulation and deep three, we can always find the | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
clitoris. Although the tip has been cut off, the rest lies beneath the | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
surface, it is about finding it and bringing it up. You may prefer to | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
turn away at this point. There is an area there missing, go ahead and cut | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
this. There is the clitoris. This outcome should look amazingly | :44:57. | :45:05. | |
normal. Like unaltered female anatomy. Cut and finished. By the | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
end of the day the team have operated on eight women. They are | :45:11. | :45:16. | |
doing what they came for. Things are going well at the clinic. The word | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
has got around and the queue is growing as women fly in from Mali, | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
Senegal and even Kenya for the operation. The team have operated on | :45:27. | :45:34. | |
some 29 women and are on their way to achieving the most important | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
purpose of their visit, to train local doctors to take over. Then the | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
American surgeries are told that their permissions to operate in the | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
country have been withdrawn. And the operations must stop. The minister | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
of health now reveals the reason for their opposition. That medical | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
organisations should be focussed on saving lives and not advertising | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
their religion in an attempt to convert vulnerable people. And yet | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
none of the doctors here are religious and I saw no attempt to | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
convert the patients. We have operated on women from all over | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
Africa, Sierra Leone, Kenya, Senegal, pretty much the cat is out | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
of the bag and is alive and purring. As word gets around that the surgery | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
is not only available but successful, and even successful with | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
local doctors here in Africa, I think the movement is only going to | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
continue. The women from the village who are still waiting at the | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
hospital for the operation are devastated. They must continue | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
living with their pain. What's happening here at the hospital is | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
like a metaphor for the campaign against FGM in Africa and worldwide. | :46:50. | :46:55. | |
Constantly thwarted by tradition, prejudice, religion and distrust. At | :46:56. | :47:08. | |
the party planned for their last night at the hospital, there are | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
mixed emotions. Bebe and 15 others from the village have been treated | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
and are looking forward to their new lives. Adjara who did so much to | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
bring the women here is among those who didn't. She has no idea if she | :47:25. | :47:36. | |
ever will. That's almost all for tonight. In a | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
month where we have all learned a great deal about how planes are | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
tracked the National Air Traffic Service has released images showing | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
exactly how the skies above us are monitored here in Europe. Take a | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
look, good night. It will be a cold start to the day | :47:51. | :48:31. | |
on Friday. Cold with a risk of some icy patches in Scotland and Northern | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
Ireland, where we have got some pretty wintry showers from early on. | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
A lot of sunshine for many. Into the afternoon there will be heavy | :48:41. | :48:42. | |
showers developing and it is not just rain and sleet, there will be | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
snow around in Northern Ireland, hail and | :48:47. | :48:48. |