24/04/2014 Newsnight


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With Kirsty Wark. The Birmingham school row, zero hours contracts, wind turbines, spending time with the Chinese army, Jethro talks Cornwall and Tom Hollander talks Shakespeare.


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Tonight on Newsnight, the school in Birmingham at the centre of Islamist

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takeover allegation, two teachers talk about their experiences

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tonight. In a boys' education sex lesson, a sheet was given out saying

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a woman had to obey her husband. Questions were asked, does that mean

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a woman can't say no, we can demand sex. Behold a Labour policy, after

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Labour promises to say no to zero hours contracts, Ed Miliband reveals

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his reforms. After winning independent status, is independence

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next for the lights of pirates, pasties and Poldark.

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# Cornwall forever my home We will be speaking to the man who is

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practically the king of Cornwall, Jethro. And Tom Hollander swaps his

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dog colour for a crown for tonight's celebration of Shakespeare's 450th

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birthday. Good evening, the so called

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operation trowing trowing allegations of co-ordinated moves by

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a group of Islamist hardliners to take control of as many as 25

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schools, sentering on Park View School is sentering around

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accusations. Amidst all the uncertainty, Newsnight has been to

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Birmingham to find out from teachers at the school what really happened.

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We have significant new details about what is going on.

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Welcome to Birmingham. Right now four investigations are raking over

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this part of the city. Largely following the trail of the so called

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"Trojan horse letter", it apparently detailed a plot by Muslim hardliners

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to take over some of the city's schools. It is largely thought to be

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a forgery, but there are concerns about local state schools, and

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whether in some cases conservatism might have drifted into something

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worse. Much of the attention is focussed on this school, Park View,

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this secondary school had an exceptionally high academic

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reputation. And also the chairman of governors is very high-profile, and

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named in the Trojan Horse document. Since 2010 a number of people have

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made complaints to the authority about extremism in the school. The

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latest concerns were raised in January and February of this year

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when three ters wrote to the Department for Education, their

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complaints, seen by Newsnight report discrimination, prejudice against

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girls, and extreme religious views. The teachers also detailed some

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quite specific examples. In a boys' sex education lesson a work sheet

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was given out to them which said a woman has to obey her husband.

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Questions were asked "does that mean a woman can't say no", "we can

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demand sex". To be clear there, boys at the school were told that their

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wives wouldn't be able to refuse sex? Yeah, and they were actually

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talking to some of the girls about it. And the girls were saying to

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some of the female staff, is that right, when we're married we can't

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say no? Problems reached academic subjects too. The thing that shocked

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me the most, is seeing creationism and intelligent design being taught

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in a science class by a science teacher by children supposed to be

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studying for GCSEs. These were 14-16-year-old children being taught

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things not scientific and not on the curriculum. The school says

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creationism is not school policy and it was never told about the

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concerns. Had it heard it says it would have investigated them fully.

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It adds that the sexual consent issue came about from a

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misunderstanding of a historical reference to do with the cultural

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expectations of sex within marriage. And the school held a special

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assembly of year ten boys to make it clear that sex without informed

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consent is rape. Among many parents living in the area the school is

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still very popular. Many believe the allegations against Park View are

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just part of a witch-hunt. The first thing that has attracted me is the

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education and the results. Because you want to send your child to a

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school where you know, blissfully they will achieve their potential.

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And with this community as well, where we live, it is a deprived

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area, there is lots of families that are lone single families and you

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know you have children that are all over the place and the way that they

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have dealt with the kids here, you know, really brought them up, giving

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them the confidence. You have to take these things into consideration

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as well, it is not just about having an excellent education, it does

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depend on how you develop the child and they have, I'm telling you, they

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have achieved. Muslim conservatism receives particular detention from

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the authorities. That's because of the fear it creates about political

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radicalisation. But extreme conservatism can be problematic on

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its own. Talha Ahmad from The Muslim Council of Britain, formerly taught

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in Birmingham schools, and we have the head of the British Humanist

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Association. It is not acceptable is it to tell women they have to obey

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their husbands at all times? Of course not, if any school, whether

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it is, even if faith, Muslim faith school teaches that I think that

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would be condemnable. Let's be clear these teachers said that they knew

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that boys in a sex education lesson had been told and the girls then

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knew that the boys had been told that women had to give sex to the

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husband, there was no option? Well it appears that this is what is

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reports, but also I noted that I think the school says that they once

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they discovered it they did do an assembly in which they made it very

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clear that any sex without informed consent sun acceptable. But -- is

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unacceptable, but the bottom line is these kinds of messages, whoever

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gives it out is not acceptable. But it is the case that the teacher who

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delivered that message is still teaching in another Park View

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school, is that acceptable? That's a very difficult question for me to

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necessarily respond to. But I think the teacher has to be disciplined

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the management has to be satisfied that the... Surely The Muslim

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Council of Britain does not condone the idea that a teacher that

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delivered rape and marriage is acceptable is teaching in another

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school in Birmingham? If he's allowed to teach it is showing a

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serious error of judgment. We know immediately this happened there was,

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in a sense, a counter sexual education class where boys and girls

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were told it was Australian acceptable behaviour, and it was a

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one-off? The report says the claims about unbalanced sex education and

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teaching creationism in science, and unbalanced RE and general religious

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conservatism in the school have been coroborated by teachers today and

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reports already written by the Education Funding Agency. That may

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have been a one-off, but it does seem to speak a wider pattern. What

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about the fact that the teacher is still in the Park View system? I

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think that demonstrates that it is not taken seriously. Also we know

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from the teachers from their own reports that creationism was taught

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in science lesson, that is against the law? It is first time I'm

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hearing that a Muslim, or rather if you like a conservatism Muslim would

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promote creationism. I think it is utterly unacceptable and no place in

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the 21st century that we should be teaching creationism, and The Muslim

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Council of Britain is very clear about it. If The Muslim Council of

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Britain is very clear about it, presumably it is having no impact on

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the Park View School system? At Park View school, The Muslim Council of

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Britain has to leverage over it. It is regulated and inspected by the

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Department for Education, Ofsted and local authorities, even if these

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things are going on, what it does show is a serious failure of

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management and governance, but my trouble is, I think, is when you

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look at this, this is not an incident that the Muslim community

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has instigated. But the whole debate has moved into the future of the

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Muslim community and how we accommodate for them. We expect

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after the testimony of the teachers certain things to become clearer to

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these investigations, because these teachers are saying clearly these

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are the things they saw in terms of the teaching of creationism, in

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science, and also essentially the teaching that actually rape and

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marriage is acceptable? I think so far what we hear is that the serious

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allegation has been made, by people who have said they have witnessed

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it, for example teachers in this case. There are three investigations

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going on. It is wise and prudent that we wait for the investigation

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and allow them to complete it and then have a proper debate on it. The

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accusation is nor specific on that, what the former teachers are saying

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is they saw the work sheet and it has been quoted with verbatim, with

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quotes saying a woman can't say no and the role of a woman is to say

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yes, it is not just one person's word for it. These are very serious

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issues, but this is not evidence of claims of widespread Islamist

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takeover of Birmingham schools is it? No. Therefore, these allegations

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are possibly overblown, we already know the question of the original

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letter talking about, as it, were the idea of the Trojan Horse, are

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possibly and more likely to be a forgery? That is one of the claims.

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Claims of political extremism and that Trojan Horse letter is a

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godsend to the school, because it seems to coroborate stories about a

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too narrow education across RE and science being delivered. We need to

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put it, political extremism exists, but put it to one side, we are

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talking about a narrow curriculum in a Community School that should be

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more open. The trouble we have, we have the testing of the will about

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challenging what they call Islamist vaguely defined. On the other find

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we have the left keen to show that Michael Gove's education model has

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failed, and the Muslim community are like a political cobble, kicked from

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left, right and centre. You are talking about teachers putting

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forward allegations about the nature of the sex education lessons, the

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schools has admitted the sex education lessons took place, that

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is the atmosphere that took place in the system? If the law has been

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broken action has to be taken. The Muslim community and Muslim council

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supports it. What is not acceptable is to shift, at the moment what is

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happening... If I can put this to you, would you say that for the vast

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majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom, the idea that a woman has

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to obey her husband is wrong, and should not in any way be promoted?

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No. In a way, here we have a very straight forward idea for the Muslim

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Council of Great Britain that actually what you are seeing is

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actually been a small individual instance in one school area, which

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we now know has been admitted and changed? I think that focussing on

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that one particular example of teaching that consent is not

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necessary in sex may well be able to be dismissed and may not be

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recurrent throughout the system. It seems to be symptomatic of a wider

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narrowing of the curriculum in that school. This is not allegation you

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are making, you have no proof of that? The multiple corroboration

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between different teachers, including those we have heard of

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today, Education Funding Agency report published in the newspapers

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just a few days ago. But you can look at the Muslim Council of

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Britain's own education guidance from 2007 to see they advise things

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like girls and boys should be separate in PE, girls and boys

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shouldn't touch in dance, girls and boys shouldn't be brought together

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in drama. That is the narrowing we talk about. Is that what you

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promote? There are two issues that I want to pick on, on the

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guidelinesishued by The Muslim Council of Britain -- guidelines

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issued by The Muslim Council of Britain, we have never promoted

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segregation, the broad point is we are still talking about allegations,

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and if we are asking people to investigate, I accept there are

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serious allegations. Some of them are admitted by the school. You

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have... Things that most people would say are wrong. We leave it

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there and expect to hear more. Thank you very much indeed.

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Almost 20 years Agnew Labour in opposition was young -- new Labour

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in opposition was gung ho, saying banning zero hours contracts and

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storming the citadel. Then zero hours contracts suddenly weren't the

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priority any more. We have news. We hear that Ed Miliband tomorrow will

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spell out legislation, new legal rights for employers, he worries

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about the way that employers are treated, how they treat their

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employees, he wants to ensure that workers can demand fixed hours

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contracts when they have worked regular hours over six months with

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the same employee. And that they automatically receive a fixed

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contract working regular hours over a year, and they can work for other

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employers at the same time. Official figures show more than half a

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million people in the UK work force are on the contracts. Many of them

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don't even realise. The issue has become totemic for our age. A lot of

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people say it is a return to the Dickensian work practices that leave

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the employee no security and power. What is interesting is when you look

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at the proposals it is hard not to spot the wriggle room, for any

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employer who can adjust the way they are using their employment narrowing

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from six months to five months for example, from a year to 11 months,

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and to find loopholes around this. Why has he done it now? It is

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interesting isn't it, the political picture is becoming much harder for

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Labour to find any real economic ground to make headway on the big

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macro picture in the UK, it is getting better. Growth we know is

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up, unemployment is down, average ges starting to turn the corner, it

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is left to Labour to find the specific measures that they think

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will go to the heart of people's pockets. To their sense of

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injustice. To this cost of living crisis that we hear so much from Ed

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Miliband. We have seen Labour do well, they have taken on vested

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interests, the energy companies and banks. We have seen policies like a

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raise in the minimum wage, the cap on payday loans and a freeze in gas

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prizes, they get adopted by the other side, the Government. You can

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read these are positive ideas they don't have the space to manoeuvre on

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the big stuff or a distinctly clever move that will chime with a lot of

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people working long hours and don't like it. National Heritage entered

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-- Nigel Farage entered the fray last week in this and UKIP and

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Labour looking for very much the same kind of vote. The zero hours

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contract, alongside the payday loan and the bad bank has come to be seen

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as a by-word for social injustice in recent months. The sense that those

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with little are losing out to those with lots, the hard-pressed worker

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with virtually no job security. It is fertile territory for Labour

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leader who has coined the cost of living as his crisis to fix. Last

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autumn Ed Miliband hinted a Labour Government would tackle what he

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calls the exploitive practice. I'm in favour of flexibility, but not

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the kind of flexibility that means that people have to be flexible

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about whether they can feed the kids and afford the weekly shop. We have

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to put a stop to that, that is what Labour is determined to do. Tomorrow

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we get the first clear signs of what this would mean. He wants to ensure

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workers can demand a fixed hours contract when they have worked

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regular hours over six months with the same employers. And that they

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receive a fixed hours contract automatically when they have worked

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regular hours over a year, unless of course they opt out. He will also

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ensure they are protected from employers forcing them to be

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available all hours, insisting they can't work for others, and

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cancelling shifts for no money. He will make it part of a speech in

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Scotland, insisting it is only by offering a UK-wide policy that the

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sides of the border won't race each other to the bottom. It will chime

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well with people pulling pints, stacking shelves or working in the

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construction industry. Look closely and the loophole force employers are

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pretty easy to stop. Who is to stop a boss offering a five-month

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contract instead of a six-month contract to get around any new

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legislation. Who is to stop a boss firing a worker just short of a

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year. The fear of a little bit too much commitment coming on. Critics

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point out many of the zero contract employees are pretty vulnerable,

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young workers, first-timers, those generally less likely to flex their

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muscle with an all-powerful boss. And then of course there are those

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who value the flexibility that a zero hours contract brings,

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highly-skilled professionals, technicians, dentists, parents

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wanting family-flexible hours. Ed Miliband has made it clear that

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anyone can opt out of a decision if they choose, but if the zero hours

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contract is pilloried to the point where it disappears, that may hurt

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some in the work place more than it helps them. Here to discuss these

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proposals are Karen Jennings, the Assistant General Secretary of

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Unison, and broil prowl prowl -- and our other guest. Many don't like

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these contracts? Just under 50% of people are satisfied with the hours

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they are working. That means 50% aren't? It doesn't mean that at all.

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30% of people wished more hours and 20% didn't feel strongly. We have a

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majority of people happy with the number of hours they are working.

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What we need to look in the broader terms is what is happening in the UK

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versus what is happening in the continental countries with more

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restrictive practices and the answer there is much higher unemployment.

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The question comes down to are we going down the path where we are

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restricting to the point where we take our unemployment to European

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levels, that would be really tragic. The threat is this will lead to

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greater unemployment, but you haven't got what you wanted which

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was the end to zero hours contracts? Unison represents public sector

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workers, we want to see an end to that in health and social care. He's

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not offering that? It is definitely modest, but again he's talking more

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broadly than the public sector. He is talking wider than that. For us

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we need to see an end to zero hours contracts, it is not good for the

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staff themselves, we have seen horrendous abuses of that. Not least

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paying people below the minimum wage because they don't pay them between

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their visits, the time it takes to travel. Have you surveyed the

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opposite here which is said 50% on zero hours contracts like the

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system? Yes, of course, the members we represent are low-paid members, I

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would suggest the members that you a surveying are probably the

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professional technical people who may want the flexibility. What I

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would say to you is that this is about a race to the bottom. Where

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you see employers, particularly in the public sector, they are

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outsourced employers, they are paying little, they cans employment

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the minute -- they exploit the minimum wage and the standards of

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those carers drop as well. If we are talking about six months continuous

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employment, and then we're talking about a year's employment as well,

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both being triggers to end zero hours contracts and as emably says

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you employ someone five months or 11 months and get round it? Precisely,

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that probably shows the way in which Ed Miliband is really looking here

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for. You mean this is actually what he's thinking? I think he probably S

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he doesn't want to bring in the inflexibility which a lot of people

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recognise. So it is just for show, if it wasn't just for show, if he

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really was on the side of the workers as it were, he would ban

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zero hours contracts? I think it is deeply unfortunate that we are

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looking at one element of what Ed Miliband has suggested. This is a

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key element, if he is saying that businesses will get round it, then

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actually it is worthless? It is a key element, but there are other

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elements as well. Look the coalition Government are only looking at

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tinkering at the edges of zero hours contracts. That is to do with the

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exclusivity element which Ed is dealing with. You have to say that

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Vince Cable is ahead of the game on that, he has already said they are

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looking at proposals to end the idea that there has to be exclusivity? We

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called for the reform of that too. This is not a big idea from Ed

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Miliband? What I'm saying is it is only one small element. Ed Miliband

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is also saying that you should be paid where time you are expected to

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work you don't work. Look I think it is a modest, cautious step in the

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right direction. This is not the great horizon, it is interesting you

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should say it is a modest, cautious, step, is this really going to earn

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Ed Miliband plaudits? What I'm saying is he has gone further than

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the coalition Government at the moment. We will continue to lobby

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him, don't forget, these are proposal that is are going to Ed

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Miliband. He has had 20 years to think about it? Coming back to you,

:22:33.:22:39.

I seem to remember it was said the minimum wage would decimate

:22:40.:22:42.

industry? We always said it depended upon the level it was set. That was

:22:43.:22:46.

your wriggle room, the fact is nothing of the sort happened. So it

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is possible, actually, that you know that evolutionary process will take

:22:51.:22:53.

place and actually it might give comfort to employers too to know

:22:54.:22:56.

they have the loyalty of their staff because they treat them well?

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Clearly every employer wants to treat staff well that is the way you

:23:01.:23:03.

get loyal staff without question. Would you like to see the end of

:23:04.:23:09.

zero hours contracts, especially for poorly paid workers who are

:23:10.:23:12.

unskilled? What we have is extremely good which is a situation in the

:23:13.:23:16.

last few years where employers and employees have been extremely mature

:23:17.:23:20.

about the level of wage increases they are demanding and various other

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things. Lots of people might wish to work more hours, but they maintain

:23:24.:23:27.

the jobs. If we looked and saw the depth of the recession we have just

:23:28.:23:31.

been through, we would publicly expect unemployment to be double the

:23:32.:23:35.

rate it is, and the reason it hasn't been is people have been showing a

:23:36.:23:38.

good deal of maturity. There is the flexibility in the market. Zero

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hours contracts are one small part of a flexible labour market. I'm not

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here to stick up to for the Labour Party, I'm here to represent

:23:52.:23:54.

members, the same laws of maturity has not applied to bankers and

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financing. You represent health workers and social care workers?

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Which have been exploited under zero hours contracts. Unison's policy is

:24:04.:24:08.

you want an end to it? Yes. You represent that for your union, you

:24:09.:24:12.

think these kind of workers are a special case. There is a lot of

:24:13.:24:16.

difficult work? It is about our workers, but also standards of care

:24:17.:24:19.

delivered to patients. On that basis, are you saying to Ed Miliband

:24:20.:24:23.

right now, ban them, before it comes to the manifesto? We are saying end

:24:24.:24:29.

zero hours contracts in health and social care. It is not only Ed

:24:30.:24:34.

Miliband who is out of the traps with an early election pledge. David

:24:35.:24:40.

Cameron who once memorably had his very own small wind turbine on his

:24:41.:24:44.

roof has announced under a Conservative Government support for

:24:45.:24:48.

the giant whirly gigs will be calmed. There is no supsidies and

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local authorities will be given the power to decide on planning

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applications as they see fit. As we report the party that once urged us

:24:55.:25:00.

to vote blue and go green is blowing cold on their much-vaunted energy

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policy. "Get off our land"! It's a road mate. Go away. The

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countryside's howl against turbines that has pitted villager against

:25:18.:25:22.

villager. This isn't your property. I can show you the deeds of whose

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property it is, it is not their's. Is that the farmer? I'm glad I'm

:25:27.:25:31.

getting under their skin, what they have put people in the village

:25:32.:25:37.

through is really quite awful. We have had months of sleepless nights.

:25:38.:25:42.

What I'm facing, the most likely event for me should the wind farm be

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approved is I will have a house that nobody else will want to live in. It

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would upset me enormously if these things went ahead, if Cameron will

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say as a positive policy we're going to withdraw those supsidies, then it

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might persuade me to vote for him. The Bedfordshire farmer might be

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disappointed. The farmer expressing his views loudly. His angry

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neighbours say he wants turbines on his fields. We did contact the farm

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but he didn't want to tell Newsnight why. Yet isn't David Cameron running

:26:17.:26:21.

away from his younger self. At least the huskies, ministers insist they

:26:22.:26:24.

are not ditching their greenest Government ever promise. Taxpayer

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support for other kinds of green energy will not go. It is a victory

:26:32.:26:35.

for the kind of Conservatives who were never persuaded by "green"

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Dave. While David Cameron was busy boasting about other infrastructure

:26:41.:26:43.

projects, he was only too happy to tell the BBC about this new idea, no

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more supsidies for turbines on the land. Do you really need to go on

:26:48.:26:51.

with a subsidy from the taxpayer? And do you need to go on with a

:26:52.:26:55.

planning system that gives such priority to wind forms rather than

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-- wind farms rather than local P I think once you have got to 10% you

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should say take away the subsidy and hear the views of local people.

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Delight for his more sceptical supporters. It was always rather

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bogus aspect of modernisation, it was being green, and SAS David

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Cameron says all the green crap has been finished with, that is for him

:27:20.:27:22.

part of the green crap. David Cameron is not a conviction

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politician, he isn't a man of deep principle, all the stuff about going

:27:27.:27:31.

off to the North Pole, it was all about suck up to a group of people

:27:32.:27:36.

he hoped would vote for him. I have driven from Berlin to music, and you

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drive down through eastern Germany and there are wind farms everywhere,

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and all over France now. These are countries that have very large land

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mass, France has the same population as us but two-and-a-half time the

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land mass. We are a small and crowded island. Turbines are simply

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not to the taste of many of those who enjoy the peaceful, unchanged

:27:58.:28:02.

and often conservative countryside, their power is more expensive than

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oil or carriages but still cheaper than wind farms at sea or nuclear.

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Although it has been subsidised for 20 years, independent sources warn

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cutting off subsidy could cut off the industry. Some firms have

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already been scaling back, but for the Conservatives the shires have

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won. One Tory minister told me some counties in the countryside have

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felt under siege from turbines, he said to me he wants people to know

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he will not have any more. Universally hates maybe not, it is

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fair to say they have never captured many hearts, the other part of the

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problem is they don't always look like they are doing all that much.

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7. 1 gigawatts worth of wind farms have been build on shore. Enough to

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power about 3. 8 million homes. But because the wind doesn't always

:28:59.:29:01.

blow, it is hard to predict. So last year the 16. 5 terrawatt hours

:29:02.:29:10.

generated was only 4. 6% of electricity. Turbines are idle

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sometimes when the wind isn't blowing and not generating

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electricity. We don't pay for it if it is not generated, it doesn't cost

:29:20.:29:23.

us any more money. On the other side it doesn't provide us with

:29:24.:29:29.

unreliable electricity or undermine the electricity system security.

:29:30.:29:32.

Because the system is able to cope with big fluctuation in supply and

:29:33.:29:36.

demand. It might make it easier on the doorstep for the kind of

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Conservatives that were never persuaded by Green Dave, this

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Conservative councillor won his seat opposing wind farms. I think the

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Government has listened to the people of the country, which is what

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any Government should do. They have done exactly what they should be

:29:51.:29:54.

doing. The Conservatives would allow communities who want at the Bitcoins

:29:55.:29:58.

to go ahead. But even the one that was on top of David Cameron's old

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London house has gone. Both the Lib Dems and Labour are still keen add

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vow baits in the field -- advocates in the field as well as the cows. So

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we will all ultimately decide if there is room for both. China has

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the biggest standing army in the world, but it is in the midst of a

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radical transformation. Man power is being cut by half, but the budget

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has increased six-fold to well over $100 billion, as China attempts to

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sharpen up its military. For the first time the Chinese army has

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opened its doors to foreign cameras and Steve Hewlett was invited to

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join two British officers on an exchange programme with one of

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China's top military academies. Jason Johnson and Richard Levin are

:30:53.:30:57.

recently commissioned officers from Sandhurst in the UK. They have

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arrived in China to take part in something unprecedented and quite

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unique. Er They are the first British officers ever invited to

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take part in an international cadet exchange organised by the people's

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liberation front army in the People's Republic of China. They

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will spend a week living and working with Chinese cadets. 1,000kms

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thought of Beijing. -- south of Beijing. It is a good opportunity to

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come and experience something firsthand, especially a country that

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is emerging as somewhere very important globally. 21-year-old

:31:52.:31:58.

officer here has been attached to the Brit to help them bed in.

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Together they will take part in a prestigious military competition

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known as the Jin Wu Cup later in the week. It will be interesting to know

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what other international cadets are going to be in our team? I think you

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are the best! It is 6.00 in the morning. I'm not

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really awake yet to be honest. First off it is half an hour of drill.

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Only then is it time for breakfast. But the exercises are far from over.

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Almost everything is done in formation, which is not quite how

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they do things back at Sandhurst. I can't imagine spending four years of

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my life marching to breakfast, lunch and dinner, that would be a

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challenge for most people at Sandhurst. Mao used to say the more

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people you have the more power you have, and that has been the doctrine

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that Chinese military has worked by for a very long time. But times are

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changing. Technology becomes more important, and ways of working and

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ways of thinking have to change. This is battle simulation room, it

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might look like computer gaming but it is in fact part of the Chinese

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cadets' training regime. REPORTER: How long have you been doing this?

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Sos this is a new idea? And the PLA is looking west for pointers towards

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this brave new world. Quite a lot of what you see here oddly looks quite

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American, the uniform, the routines are quite American, that fascination

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with and emlation of American military, however, runs quite a lot

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deeper than that. The American and British militaries bring something

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to the table which the Chinese do not have. Recent combat experience.

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When you are marching how do you carry it, on one shoulder? Recent

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wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ha taught British and American forces

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many tough lessons. We at that time troll like this, with the rifle

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ready on the shoulder, if we needed to fire this will woo go all the way

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down. The last time China went to war with another country was a brief

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conflict in Vietnam. Way back in 1979. China

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It is the day of the Jin Wu Cup, and for the first time ever foreign

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cadets have been invited to compete. Three rows each consisting of three

:35:28.:35:34.

international students and seven Chinese cadets. The competition

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begins. The first challenge is orienteering. Jason's team need to

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find and tag ten electronic touch points spread over square kilo

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metres. But they are getting off to a bad start. The squad leader is

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struggling to make sense of the map. There is three different people

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looking at a map trying to decide where we are. Running out of time

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they decide to split into two groups, each responsible for

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locating half the electronic touch points. Jason's team manages to

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locate four electronic touch points and return to the rendezvous with

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five minutes to spare. That's good. But the other half of the team is

:36:19.:36:23.

nowhere to be seen. It looks like they haven't made it back in time.

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So the whole team loses now? Maybe. Jason is starting to he will

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Israelise that amongst the Chinese cadets in his group, even allowing

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for their relative youth, practical skills often do not match classroom

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theory. They do need a bit more practice before they can get to each

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point effectively and efficiently. Jason told me that while the

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exercises were familiar, they were not all as realistic as they might

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have been back home. I think fitness wise they are a similar standard as

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far as officership and leadership goes they are at a lower standard. I

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think it is because they are not given the responsibility to develop

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that leadership. The exchange week has come to answered. And the

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Chinese cadets have also gained new insight from the week's exchange

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programme. These cadets may well one day have

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leading roles in their country's Armed Forces. They have gathered

:37:45.:37:48.

here to understand how their counterparts think. Invaluable

:37:49.:37:55.

lessons, maybe, now that China with its new model army is poised to play

:37:56.:38:01.

a far more significant role in world affairs. You can see a longer

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version of Steve Hewlett's film on Our World on the News Channel this

:38:07.:38:12.

Saturday and fund again at 9. 30. Now another complication has been

:38:13.:38:16.

thrown in the way of ministers and mandarins seeking to make their

:38:17.:38:19.

weighty decisions about the Government of the UK. They will now

:38:20.:38:22.

have to contract views of the Cornish. It was announced today that

:38:23.:38:25.

the people of Cornwall have been given the same minority status as

:38:26.:38:32.

Scots, Welsh and Irish under EU law, designed to protect the rights of

:38:33.:38:35.

national minorities. It doesn't mean any extra money, but it is a victory

:38:36.:38:42.

for Cornish nationalists who claim England ends west of the Tamar

:38:43.:38:47.

river. Jethro, the comedian, joins us from just across the border in

:38:48.:38:52.

English Exeter! Jethro, many congratulations, I would have

:38:53.:38:57.

thought minority status was for wimps, can't you go for

:38:58.:39:00.

independence? We have known it for years, you never call a Cornishman

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an Englishman in my lifetime. The real Cornishmen is from the west

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where I come from. They are not telling us anything we didn't know.

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A lot of people you would say talk about Cornwall as their own

:39:16.:39:18.

identity, they said well why Cornwall and not another county.

:39:19.:39:23.

They don't realise that historically Cornwall is a Celtic nation, there

:39:24.:39:28.

was Scotland and the Isle of Man, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and Britney

:39:29.:39:34.

of course. Do you feel persecuted? Not really. Why not? We lost that

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900 years ago. We used to have our own king once, King Mark, he's gone

:39:43.:39:47.

1,000 years, we miss him still. Do you think you might try to reinstate

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some kind of Cornish monarchy? No. You would be king? Of course not.

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No, no, no. I couldn't stand that, could I? I can't ride a horse any

:39:58.:40:01.

way! You know what's the deal here, is this going to suddenly give a

:40:02.:40:04.

boost to the Cornish economy, are you going to raise the flag over the

:40:05.:40:13.

tin mines, all this kind of thing? The flags have always flown over the

:40:14.:40:17.

tin mines, they have flown throughout Cornwall. It is just

:40:18.:40:20.

something that has gone on for years, and now the rest of the

:40:21.:40:24.

country will know we have our own identity and that is what we have

:40:25.:40:27.

always wanted. It didn't really matter too much. We knew where we

:40:28.:40:33.

were forever. What is it to be Cornish? What is it? Well if you are

:40:34.:40:38.

born there you are a Cornishman. David Cameron's daughter was born in

:40:39.:40:43.

Cornwall, she will be Cornish. And I hope she's very proud of it like we

:40:44.:40:46.

are. You are brought up with that, if you go to Liverpool they are born

:40:47.:40:50.

Scousers and they will always be Scousers, and Cornish people that is

:40:51.:40:54.

our little bit of identity and we hang on to it and viciously too. We

:40:55.:40:57.

are about to hear from Tom Hollander, he says perhaps you are

:40:58.:41:01.

going to celebrate your bird, your chuff, is that not your local bird?

:41:02.:41:05.

And the chuffs are back on the cliffs too, that is good. Tell me

:41:06.:41:08.

what else, what other kinds of things will come to the fore, now

:41:09.:41:12.

that you have minority status? I don't think it will make it much

:41:13.:41:16.

different. I listened to the news and they said other countries have

:41:17.:41:20.

had their minority status, and it hasn't made any difference, it is no

:41:21.:41:24.

financial gain. It has given us an identity that we always wanted. As

:41:25.:41:28.

for independence for Cornwall that is out of the question. We can't

:41:29.:41:33.

survive on three bags of potatoes and a basket full of fish. You don't

:41:34.:41:37.

have a sustainable economy of your own? You have Rick Stein! We have to

:41:38.:41:43.

be realistic about this. You do have a Duchess of Cornwall? That's right.

:41:44.:41:48.

You have a Duke of Cornwall? He's the Prince of Wales and the Duke of

:41:49.:41:51.

Cornwall, of course he is. You are speaking to us from Exeter, where do

:41:52.:41:58.

you live? I live in, on the border. You live which side of the border? I

:41:59.:42:03.

live just in Devon! So wait a minute, you're like Sean conry in

:42:04.:42:11.

Scotland -- Conner in Scotland you don't actually live there? You can

:42:12.:42:16.

take the man out of Cornwall but not the Cornwall out of the man. Pretend

:42:17.:42:23.

you are in Somerset and go and have some Scrumpy! We have time for two

:42:24.:42:27.

newspapers, both of the newspapers the Telegraph and the Times report

:42:28.:42:32.

on a move to end the Queen's role as the head of the church. The

:42:33.:42:37.

coalition according to the Times says split in the coalition on the

:42:38.:42:40.

role of the church because Nick Clegg has been talking about whether

:42:41.:42:46.

to end t Queen's role as head of state. On Newsnight we are holding

:42:47.:42:51.

our own celebrations of Shakespeare's 450th birthday, we

:42:52.:42:55.

have asked some of Britain's finest actors to deliver a favourite speech

:42:56.:42:59.

and character they love. Last night David Harewood chose Eeago and ahead

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of her performance, Kevin Mirallas said nobody should read Shakespeare

:43:06.:43:08.

under the age of 15. Tonight it is Tom Hollander who is swapping his

:43:09.:43:12.

dog colour for a crown. Did you read Shakespeare at school? A little bit.

:43:13.:43:16.

What are you doing, this crown on your head as Richard II I? The

:43:17.:43:24.

opening reach of Richard II I What about Kevin Mirallas's idea that you

:43:25.:43:28.

should watch it perform but not read it on the page until you are a

:43:29.:43:34.

grown-up? I don't agree with that But you can't disagree with Helen

:43:35.:43:41.

Mirren can you? Not really. What about Richard II I, is it a role you

:43:42.:43:45.

want to play? It is showbiz and somebody has to take your chances,

:43:46.:43:49.

and somebody says what do you want to do, and I said this. It is

:43:50.:43:54.

showbiz Newsnight. What about this particular speech? What is it, it is

:43:55.:43:58.

like Shakespeare's revenge fantasy for anybody who has not been picked

:43:59.:44:02.

for the school football team. Call it that. That is good enough for me.

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Tom Hollander take your seat. OK. Well now is the winter of our

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discontent says Tom Hollander, here he goes.

:44:18.:44:25.

Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious summer by this sun of

:44:26.:44:34.

York. And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house in the deep bossom of

:44:35.:44:40.

the ocean buried. Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths, our

:44:41.:44:47.

bruised arms hung up from monuments, our stern alarums changed to merry

:44:48.:44:51.

meetings. Our dreadful marches to delightful measures. Grim-visaged

:44:52.:44:59.

war, hath smooth'd his wringled front, and now instead of mounting

:45:00.:45:05.

bashed steeds to fright the souls of fearful adversaries, he capers him

:45:06.:45:13.

inially in the lady's chamber to the lascivious pleasing of a lute. But

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I, thattam not shaped for sportive tricks, nor made to court annam

:45:20.:45:27.

rouse looking-glass. I that am rudely stamp'd and want love's

:45:28.:45:33.

majesty to strut before a wanton ambling nymp, I that am curtail'd of

:45:34.:45:39.

this fair proportion, cheated, deformed, unfinished, sent before my

:45:40.:45:45.

time into this breathing world scarce half made up, and that so

:45:46.:45:49.

lamely and unfashionable that dogs bark at me as I halt by them, why I

:45:50.:45:57.

in this weak piping time of peace, have no delight to pass away the

:45:58.:46:05.

time, unless to spy my shadow in the sun and descant on my own deformity.

:46:06.:46:16.

The weather at the moment across the country is reverting to type, sunny

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spells and scattered showers, it is

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With Kirsty Wark. The Birmingham school row, zero hours contracts, wind turbines, spending time with the Chinese army, Jethro talks Cornwall and Tom Hollander talks Shakespeare.


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