24/04/2014 Newsnight


With Kirsty Wark. The Birmingham school row, zero hours contracts, wind turbines, spending time with the Chinese army, Jethro talks Cornwall and Tom Hollander talks Shakespeare.

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Tonight on Newsnight, the school in Birmingham at the centre of Islamist


takeover allegation, two teachers talk about their experiences


tonight. In a boys' education sex lesson, a sheet was given out saying


a woman had to obey her husband. Questions were asked, does that mean


a woman can't say no, we can demand sex. Behold a Labour policy, after


Labour promises to say no to zero hours contracts, Ed Miliband reveals


his reforms. After winning independent status, is independence


next for the lights of pirates, pasties and Poldark.


# Cornwall forever my home We will be speaking to the man who is


practically the king of Cornwall, Jethro. And Tom Hollander swaps his


dog colour for a crown for tonight's celebration of Shakespeare's 450th


birthday. Good evening, the so called


operation trowing trowing allegations of co-ordinated moves by


a group of Islamist hardliners to take control of as many as 25


schools, sentering on Park View School is sentering around


accusations. Amidst all the uncertainty, Newsnight has been to


Birmingham to find out from teachers at the school what really happened.


We have significant new details about what is going on.


Welcome to Birmingham. Right now four investigations are raking over


this part of the city. Largely following the trail of the so called


"Trojan horse letter", it apparently detailed a plot by Muslim hardliners


to take over some of the city's schools. It is largely thought to be


a forgery, but there are concerns about local state schools, and


whether in some cases conservatism might have drifted into something


worse. Much of the attention is focussed on this school, Park View,


this secondary school had an exceptionally high academic


reputation. And also the chairman of governors is very high-profile, and


named in the Trojan Horse document. Since 2010 a number of people have


made complaints to the authority about extremism in the school. The


latest concerns were raised in January and February of this year


when three ters wrote to the Department for Education, their


complaints, seen by Newsnight report discrimination, prejudice against


girls, and extreme religious views. The teachers also detailed some


quite specific examples. In a boys' sex education lesson a work sheet


was given out to them which said a woman has to obey her husband.


Questions were asked "does that mean a woman can't say no", "we can


demand sex". To be clear there, boys at the school were told that their


wives wouldn't be able to refuse sex? Yeah, and they were actually


talking to some of the girls about it. And the girls were saying to


some of the female staff, is that right, when we're married we can't


say no? Problems reached academic subjects too. The thing that shocked


me the most, is seeing creationism and intelligent design being taught


in a science class by a science teacher by children supposed to be


studying for GCSEs. These were 14-16-year-old children being taught


things not scientific and not on the curriculum. The school says


creationism is not school policy and it was never told about the


concerns. Had it heard it says it would have investigated them fully.


It adds that the sexual consent issue came about from a


misunderstanding of a historical reference to do with the cultural


expectations of sex within marriage. And the school held a special


assembly of year ten boys to make it clear that sex without informed


consent is rape. Among many parents living in the area the school is


still very popular. Many believe the allegations against Park View are


just part of a witch-hunt. The first thing that has attracted me is the


education and the results. Because you want to send your child to a


school where you know, blissfully they will achieve their potential.


And with this community as well, where we live, it is a deprived


area, there is lots of families that are lone single families and you


know you have children that are all over the place and the way that they


have dealt with the kids here, you know, really brought them up, giving


them the confidence. You have to take these things into consideration


as well, it is not just about having an excellent education, it does


depend on how you develop the child and they have, I'm telling you, they


have achieved. Muslim conservatism receives particular detention from


the authorities. That's because of the fear it creates about political


radicalisation. But extreme conservatism can be problematic on


its own. Talha Ahmad from The Muslim Council of Britain, formerly taught


in Birmingham schools, and we have the head of the British Humanist


Association. It is not acceptable is it to tell women they have to obey


their husbands at all times? Of course not, if any school, whether


it is, even if faith, Muslim faith school teaches that I think that


would be condemnable. Let's be clear these teachers said that they knew


that boys in a sex education lesson had been told and the girls then


knew that the boys had been told that women had to give sex to the


husband, there was no option? Well it appears that this is what is


reports, but also I noted that I think the school says that they once


they discovered it they did do an assembly in which they made it very


clear that any sex without informed consent sun acceptable. But -- is


unacceptable, but the bottom line is these kinds of messages, whoever


gives it out is not acceptable. But it is the case that the teacher who


delivered that message is still teaching in another Park View


school, is that acceptable? That's a very difficult question for me to


necessarily respond to. But I think the teacher has to be disciplined


the management has to be satisfied that the... Surely The Muslim


Council of Britain does not condone the idea that a teacher that


delivered rape and marriage is acceptable is teaching in another


school in Birmingham? If he's allowed to teach it is showing a


serious error of judgment. We know immediately this happened there was,


in a sense, a counter sexual education class where boys and girls


were told it was Australian acceptable behaviour, and it was a


one-off? The report says the claims about unbalanced sex education and


teaching creationism in science, and unbalanced RE and general religious


conservatism in the school have been coroborated by teachers today and


reports already written by the Education Funding Agency. That may


have been a one-off, but it does seem to speak a wider pattern. What


about the fact that the teacher is still in the Park View system? I


think that demonstrates that it is not taken seriously. Also we know


from the teachers from their own reports that creationism was taught


in science lesson, that is against the law? It is first time I'm


hearing that a Muslim, or rather if you like a conservatism Muslim would


promote creationism. I think it is utterly unacceptable and no place in


the 21st century that we should be teaching creationism, and The Muslim


Council of Britain is very clear about it. If The Muslim Council of


Britain is very clear about it, presumably it is having no impact on


the Park View School system? At Park View school, The Muslim Council of


Britain has to leverage over it. It is regulated and inspected by the


Department for Education, Ofsted and local authorities, even if these


things are going on, what it does show is a serious failure of


management and governance, but my trouble is, I think, is when you


look at this, this is not an incident that the Muslim community


has instigated. But the whole debate has moved into the future of the


Muslim community and how we accommodate for them. We expect


after the testimony of the teachers certain things to become clearer to


these investigations, because these teachers are saying clearly these


are the things they saw in terms of the teaching of creationism, in


science, and also essentially the teaching that actually rape and


marriage is acceptable? I think so far what we hear is that the serious


allegation has been made, by people who have said they have witnessed


it, for example teachers in this case. There are three investigations


going on. It is wise and prudent that we wait for the investigation


and allow them to complete it and then have a proper debate on it. The


accusation is nor specific on that, what the former teachers are saying


is they saw the work sheet and it has been quoted with verbatim, with


quotes saying a woman can't say no and the role of a woman is to say


yes, it is not just one person's word for it. These are very serious


issues, but this is not evidence of claims of widespread Islamist


takeover of Birmingham schools is it? No. Therefore, these allegations


are possibly overblown, we already know the question of the original


letter talking about, as it, were the idea of the Trojan Horse, are


possibly and more likely to be a forgery? That is one of the claims.


Claims of political extremism and that Trojan Horse letter is a


godsend to the school, because it seems to coroborate stories about a


too narrow education across RE and science being delivered. We need to


put it, political extremism exists, but put it to one side, we are


talking about a narrow curriculum in a Community School that should be


more open. The trouble we have, we have the testing of the will about


challenging what they call Islamist vaguely defined. On the other find


we have the left keen to show that Michael Gove's education model has


failed, and the Muslim community are like a political cobble, kicked from


left, right and centre. You are talking about teachers putting


forward allegations about the nature of the sex education lessons, the


schools has admitted the sex education lessons took place, that


is the atmosphere that took place in the system? If the law has been


broken action has to be taken. The Muslim community and Muslim council


supports it. What is not acceptable is to shift, at the moment what is


happening... If I can put this to you, would you say that for the vast


majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom, the idea that a woman has


to obey her husband is wrong, and should not in any way be promoted?


No. In a way, here we have a very straight forward idea for the Muslim


Council of Great Britain that actually what you are seeing is


actually been a small individual instance in one school area, which


we now know has been admitted and changed? I think that focussing on


that one particular example of teaching that consent is not


necessary in sex may well be able to be dismissed and may not be


recurrent throughout the system. It seems to be symptomatic of a wider


narrowing of the curriculum in that school. This is not allegation you


are making, you have no proof of that? The multiple corroboration


between different teachers, including those we have heard of


today, Education Funding Agency report published in the newspapers


just a few days ago. But you can look at the Muslim Council of


Britain's own education guidance from 2007 to see they advise things


like girls and boys should be separate in PE, girls and boys


shouldn't touch in dance, girls and boys shouldn't be brought together


in drama. That is the narrowing we talk about. Is that what you


promote? There are two issues that I want to pick on, on the


guidelinesishued by The Muslim Council of Britain -- guidelines


issued by The Muslim Council of Britain, we have never promoted


segregation, the broad point is we are still talking about allegations,


and if we are asking people to investigate, I accept there are


serious allegations. Some of them are admitted by the school. You


have... Things that most people would say are wrong. We leave it


there and expect to hear more. Thank you very much indeed.


Almost 20 years Agnew Labour in opposition was young -- new Labour


in opposition was gung ho, saying banning zero hours contracts and


storming the citadel. Then zero hours contracts suddenly weren't the


priority any more. We have news. We hear that Ed Miliband tomorrow will


spell out legislation, new legal rights for employers, he worries


about the way that employers are treated, how they treat their


employees, he wants to ensure that workers can demand fixed hours


contracts when they have worked regular hours over six months with


the same employee. And that they automatically receive a fixed


contract working regular hours over a year, and they can work for other


employers at the same time. Official figures show more than half a


million people in the UK work force are on the contracts. Many of them


don't even realise. The issue has become totemic for our age. A lot of


people say it is a return to the Dickensian work practices that leave


the employee no security and power. What is interesting is when you look


at the proposals it is hard not to spot the wriggle room, for any


employer who can adjust the way they are using their employment narrowing


from six months to five months for example, from a year to 11 months,


and to find loopholes around this. Why has he done it now? It is


interesting isn't it, the political picture is becoming much harder for


Labour to find any real economic ground to make headway on the big


macro picture in the UK, it is getting better. Growth we know is


up, unemployment is down, average ges starting to turn the corner, it


is left to Labour to find the specific measures that they think


will go to the heart of people's pockets. To their sense of


injustice. To this cost of living crisis that we hear so much from Ed


Miliband. We have seen Labour do well, they have taken on vested


interests, the energy companies and banks. We have seen policies like a


raise in the minimum wage, the cap on payday loans and a freeze in gas


prizes, they get adopted by the other side, the Government. You can


read these are positive ideas they don't have the space to manoeuvre on


the big stuff or a distinctly clever move that will chime with a lot of


people working long hours and don't like it. National Heritage entered


-- Nigel Farage entered the fray last week in this and UKIP and


Labour looking for very much the same kind of vote. The zero hours


contract, alongside the payday loan and the bad bank has come to be seen


as a by-word for social injustice in recent months. The sense that those


with little are losing out to those with lots, the hard-pressed worker


with virtually no job security. It is fertile territory for Labour


leader who has coined the cost of living as his crisis to fix. Last


autumn Ed Miliband hinted a Labour Government would tackle what he


calls the exploitive practice. I'm in favour of flexibility, but not


the kind of flexibility that means that people have to be flexible


about whether they can feed the kids and afford the weekly shop. We have


to put a stop to that, that is what Labour is determined to do. Tomorrow


we get the first clear signs of what this would mean. He wants to ensure


workers can demand a fixed hours contract when they have worked


regular hours over six months with the same employers. And that they


receive a fixed hours contract automatically when they have worked


regular hours over a year, unless of course they opt out. He will also


ensure they are protected from employers forcing them to be


available all hours, insisting they can't work for others, and


cancelling shifts for no money. He will make it part of a speech in


Scotland, insisting it is only by offering a UK-wide policy that the


sides of the border won't race each other to the bottom. It will chime


well with people pulling pints, stacking shelves or working in the


construction industry. Look closely and the loophole force employers are


pretty easy to stop. Who is to stop a boss offering a five-month


contract instead of a six-month contract to get around any new


legislation. Who is to stop a boss firing a worker just short of a


year. The fear of a little bit too much commitment coming on. Critics


point out many of the zero contract employees are pretty vulnerable,


young workers, first-timers, those generally less likely to flex their


muscle with an all-powerful boss. And then of course there are those


who value the flexibility that a zero hours contract brings,


highly-skilled professionals, technicians, dentists, parents


wanting family-flexible hours. Ed Miliband has made it clear that


anyone can opt out of a decision if they choose, but if the zero hours


contract is pilloried to the point where it disappears, that may hurt


some in the work place more than it helps them. Here to discuss these


proposals are Karen Jennings, the Assistant General Secretary of


Unison, and broil prowl prowl -- and our other guest. Many don't like


these contracts? Just under 50% of people are satisfied with the hours


they are working. That means 50% aren't? It doesn't mean that at all.


30% of people wished more hours and 20% didn't feel strongly. We have a


majority of people happy with the number of hours they are working.


What we need to look in the broader terms is what is happening in the UK


versus what is happening in the continental countries with more


restrictive practices and the answer there is much higher unemployment.


The question comes down to are we going down the path where we are


restricting to the point where we take our unemployment to European


levels, that would be really tragic. The threat is this will lead to


greater unemployment, but you haven't got what you wanted which


was the end to zero hours contracts? Unison represents public sector


workers, we want to see an end to that in health and social care. He's


not offering that? It is definitely modest, but again he's talking more


broadly than the public sector. He is talking wider than that. For us


we need to see an end to zero hours contracts, it is not good for the


staff themselves, we have seen horrendous abuses of that. Not least


paying people below the minimum wage because they don't pay them between


their visits, the time it takes to travel. Have you surveyed the


opposite here which is said 50% on zero hours contracts like the


system? Yes, of course, the members we represent are low-paid members, I


would suggest the members that you a surveying are probably the


professional technical people who may want the flexibility. What I


would say to you is that this is about a race to the bottom. Where


you see employers, particularly in the public sector, they are


outsourced employers, they are paying little, they cans employment


the minute -- they exploit the minimum wage and the standards of


those carers drop as well. If we are talking about six months continuous


employment, and then we're talking about a year's employment as well,


both being triggers to end zero hours contracts and as emably says


you employ someone five months or 11 months and get round it? Precisely,


that probably shows the way in which Ed Miliband is really looking here


for. You mean this is actually what he's thinking? I think he probably S


he doesn't want to bring in the inflexibility which a lot of people


recognise. So it is just for show, if it wasn't just for show, if he


really was on the side of the workers as it were, he would ban


zero hours contracts? I think it is deeply unfortunate that we are


looking at one element of what Ed Miliband has suggested. This is a


key element, if he is saying that businesses will get round it, then


actually it is worthless? It is a key element, but there are other


elements as well. Look the coalition Government are only looking at


tinkering at the edges of zero hours contracts. That is to do with the


exclusivity element which Ed is dealing with. You have to say that


Vince Cable is ahead of the game on that, he has already said they are


looking at proposals to end the idea that there has to be exclusivity? We


called for the reform of that too. This is not a big idea from Ed


Miliband? What I'm saying is it is only one small element. Ed Miliband


is also saying that you should be paid where time you are expected to


work you don't work. Look I think it is a modest, cautious step in the


right direction. This is not the great horizon, it is interesting you


should say it is a modest, cautious, step, is this really going to earn


Ed Miliband plaudits? What I'm saying is he has gone further than


the coalition Government at the moment. We will continue to lobby


him, don't forget, these are proposal that is are going to Ed


Miliband. He has had 20 years to think about it? Coming back to you,


I seem to remember it was said the minimum wage would decimate


industry? We always said it depended upon the level it was set. That was


your wriggle room, the fact is nothing of the sort happened. So it


is possible, actually, that you know that evolutionary process will take


place and actually it might give comfort to employers too to know


they have the loyalty of their staff because they treat them well?


Clearly every employer wants to treat staff well that is the way you


get loyal staff without question. Would you like to see the end of


zero hours contracts, especially for poorly paid workers who are


unskilled? What we have is extremely good which is a situation in the


last few years where employers and employees have been extremely mature


about the level of wage increases they are demanding and various other


things. Lots of people might wish to work more hours, but they maintain


the jobs. If we looked and saw the depth of the recession we have just


been through, we would publicly expect unemployment to be double the


rate it is, and the reason it hasn't been is people have been showing a


good deal of maturity. There is the flexibility in the market. Zero


hours contracts are one small part of a flexible labour market. I'm not


here to stick up to for the Labour Party, I'm here to represent


members, the same laws of maturity has not applied to bankers and


financing. You represent health workers and social care workers?


Which have been exploited under zero hours contracts. Unison's policy is


you want an end to it? Yes. You represent that for your union, you


think these kind of workers are a special case. There is a lot of


difficult work? It is about our workers, but also standards of care


delivered to patients. On that basis, are you saying to Ed Miliband


right now, ban them, before it comes to the manifesto? We are saying end


zero hours contracts in health and social care. It is not only Ed


Miliband who is out of the traps with an early election pledge. David


Cameron who once memorably had his very own small wind turbine on his


roof has announced under a Conservative Government support for


the giant whirly gigs will be calmed. There is no supsidies and


local authorities will be given the power to decide on planning


applications as they see fit. As we report the party that once urged us


to vote blue and go green is blowing cold on their much-vaunted energy


policy. "Get off our land"! It's a road mate. Go away. The


countryside's howl against turbines that has pitted villager against


villager. This isn't your property. I can show you the deeds of whose


property it is, it is not their's. Is that the farmer? I'm glad I'm


getting under their skin, what they have put people in the village


through is really quite awful. We have had months of sleepless nights.


What I'm facing, the most likely event for me should the wind farm be


approved is I will have a house that nobody else will want to live in. It


would upset me enormously if these things went ahead, if Cameron will


say as a positive policy we're going to withdraw those supsidies, then it


might persuade me to vote for him. The Bedfordshire farmer might be


disappointed. The farmer expressing his views loudly. His angry


neighbours say he wants turbines on his fields. We did contact the farm


but he didn't want to tell Newsnight why. Yet isn't David Cameron running


away from his younger self. At least the huskies, ministers insist they


are not ditching their greenest Government ever promise. Taxpayer


support for other kinds of green energy will not go. It is a victory


for the kind of Conservatives who were never persuaded by "green"


Dave. While David Cameron was busy boasting about other infrastructure


projects, he was only too happy to tell the BBC about this new idea, no


more supsidies for turbines on the land. Do you really need to go on


with a subsidy from the taxpayer? And do you need to go on with a


planning system that gives such priority to wind forms rather than


-- wind farms rather than local P I think once you have got to 10% you


should say take away the subsidy and hear the views of local people.


Delight for his more sceptical supporters. It was always rather


bogus aspect of modernisation, it was being green, and SAS David


Cameron says all the green crap has been finished with, that is for him


part of the green crap. David Cameron is not a conviction


politician, he isn't a man of deep principle, all the stuff about going


off to the North Pole, it was all about suck up to a group of people


he hoped would vote for him. I have driven from Berlin to music, and you


drive down through eastern Germany and there are wind farms everywhere,


and all over France now. These are countries that have very large land


mass, France has the same population as us but two-and-a-half time the


land mass. We are a small and crowded island. Turbines are simply


not to the taste of many of those who enjoy the peaceful, unchanged


and often conservative countryside, their power is more expensive than


oil or carriages but still cheaper than wind farms at sea or nuclear.


Although it has been subsidised for 20 years, independent sources warn


cutting off subsidy could cut off the industry. Some firms have


already been scaling back, but for the Conservatives the shires have


won. One Tory minister told me some counties in the countryside have


felt under siege from turbines, he said to me he wants people to know


he will not have any more. Universally hates maybe not, it is


fair to say they have never captured many hearts, the other part of the


problem is they don't always look like they are doing all that much.


7. 1 gigawatts worth of wind farms have been build on shore. Enough to


power about 3. 8 million homes. But because the wind doesn't always


blow, it is hard to predict. So last year the 16. 5 terrawatt hours


generated was only 4. 6% of electricity. Turbines are idle


sometimes when the wind isn't blowing and not generating


electricity. We don't pay for it if it is not generated, it doesn't cost


us any more money. On the other side it doesn't provide us with


unreliable electricity or undermine the electricity system security.


Because the system is able to cope with big fluctuation in supply and


demand. It might make it easier on the doorstep for the kind of


Conservatives that were never persuaded by Green Dave, this


Conservative councillor won his seat opposing wind farms. I think the


Government has listened to the people of the country, which is what


any Government should do. They have done exactly what they should be


doing. The Conservatives would allow communities who want at the Bitcoins


to go ahead. But even the one that was on top of David Cameron's old


London house has gone. Both the Lib Dems and Labour are still keen add


vow baits in the field -- advocates in the field as well as the cows. So


we will all ultimately decide if there is room for both. China has


the biggest standing army in the world, but it is in the midst of a


radical transformation. Man power is being cut by half, but the budget


has increased six-fold to well over $100 billion, as China attempts to


sharpen up its military. For the first time the Chinese army has


opened its doors to foreign cameras and Steve Hewlett was invited to


join two British officers on an exchange programme with one of


China's top military academies. Jason Johnson and Richard Levin are


recently commissioned officers from Sandhurst in the UK. They have


arrived in China to take part in something unprecedented and quite


unique. Er They are the first British officers ever invited to


take part in an international cadet exchange organised by the people's


liberation front army in the People's Republic of China. They


will spend a week living and working with Chinese cadets. 1,000kms


thought of Beijing. -- south of Beijing. It is a good opportunity to


come and experience something firsthand, especially a country that


is emerging as somewhere very important globally. 21-year-old


officer here has been attached to the Brit to help them bed in.


Together they will take part in a prestigious military competition


known as the Jin Wu Cup later in the week. It will be interesting to know


what other international cadets are going to be in our team? I think you


are the best! It is 6.00 in the morning. I'm not


really awake yet to be honest. First off it is half an hour of drill.


Only then is it time for breakfast. But the exercises are far from over.


Almost everything is done in formation, which is not quite how


they do things back at Sandhurst. I can't imagine spending four years of


my life marching to breakfast, lunch and dinner, that would be a


challenge for most people at Sandhurst. Mao used to say the more


people you have the more power you have, and that has been the doctrine


that Chinese military has worked by for a very long time. But times are


changing. Technology becomes more important, and ways of working and


ways of thinking have to change. This is battle simulation room, it


might look like computer gaming but it is in fact part of the Chinese


cadets' training regime. REPORTER: How long have you been doing this?


Sos this is a new idea? And the PLA is looking west for pointers towards


this brave new world. Quite a lot of what you see here oddly looks quite


American, the uniform, the routines are quite American, that fascination


with and emlation of American military, however, runs quite a lot


deeper than that. The American and British militaries bring something


to the table which the Chinese do not have. Recent combat experience.


When you are marching how do you carry it, on one shoulder? Recent


wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ha taught British and American forces


many tough lessons. We at that time troll like this, with the rifle


ready on the shoulder, if we needed to fire this will woo go all the way


down. The last time China went to war with another country was a brief


conflict in Vietnam. Way back in 1979. China


It is the day of the Jin Wu Cup, and for the first time ever foreign


cadets have been invited to compete. Three rows each consisting of three


international students and seven Chinese cadets. The competition


begins. The first challenge is orienteering. Jason's team need to


find and tag ten electronic touch points spread over square kilo


metres. But they are getting off to a bad start. The squad leader is


struggling to make sense of the map. There is three different people


looking at a map trying to decide where we are. Running out of time


they decide to split into two groups, each responsible for


locating half the electronic touch points. Jason's team manages to


locate four electronic touch points and return to the rendezvous with


five minutes to spare. That's good. But the other half of the team is


nowhere to be seen. It looks like they haven't made it back in time.


So the whole team loses now? Maybe. Jason is starting to he will


Israelise that amongst the Chinese cadets in his group, even allowing


for their relative youth, practical skills often do not match classroom


theory. They do need a bit more practice before they can get to each


point effectively and efficiently. Jason told me that while the


exercises were familiar, they were not all as realistic as they might


have been back home. I think fitness wise they are a similar standard as


far as officership and leadership goes they are at a lower standard. I


think it is because they are not given the responsibility to develop


that leadership. The exchange week has come to answered. And the


Chinese cadets have also gained new insight from the week's exchange


programme. These cadets may well one day have


leading roles in their country's Armed Forces. They have gathered


here to understand how their counterparts think. Invaluable


lessons, maybe, now that China with its new model army is poised to play


a far more significant role in world affairs. You can see a longer


version of Steve Hewlett's film on Our World on the News Channel this


Saturday and fund again at 9. 30. Now another complication has been


thrown in the way of ministers and mandarins seeking to make their


weighty decisions about the Government of the UK. They will now


have to contract views of the Cornish. It was announced today that


the people of Cornwall have been given the same minority status as


Scots, Welsh and Irish under EU law, designed to protect the rights of


national minorities. It doesn't mean any extra money, but it is a victory


for Cornish nationalists who claim England ends west of the Tamar


river. Jethro, the comedian, joins us from just across the border in


English Exeter! Jethro, many congratulations, I would have


thought minority status was for wimps, can't you go for


independence? We have known it for years, you never call a Cornishman


an Englishman in my lifetime. The real Cornishmen is from the west


where I come from. They are not telling us anything we didn't know.


A lot of people you would say talk about Cornwall as their own


identity, they said well why Cornwall and not another county.


They don't realise that historically Cornwall is a Celtic nation, there


was Scotland and the Isle of Man, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and Britney


of course. Do you feel persecuted? Not really. Why not? We lost that


900 years ago. We used to have our own king once, King Mark, he's gone


1,000 years, we miss him still. Do you think you might try to reinstate


some kind of Cornish monarchy? No. You would be king? Of course not.


No, no, no. I couldn't stand that, could I? I can't ride a horse any


way! You know what's the deal here, is this going to suddenly give a


boost to the Cornish economy, are you going to raise the flag over the


tin mines, all this kind of thing? The flags have always flown over the


tin mines, they have flown throughout Cornwall. It is just


something that has gone on for years, and now the rest of the


country will know we have our own identity and that is what we have


always wanted. It didn't really matter too much. We knew where we


were forever. What is it to be Cornish? What is it? Well if you are


born there you are a Cornishman. David Cameron's daughter was born in


Cornwall, she will be Cornish. And I hope she's very proud of it like we


are. You are brought up with that, if you go to Liverpool they are born


Scousers and they will always be Scousers, and Cornish people that is


our little bit of identity and we hang on to it and viciously too. We


are about to hear from Tom Hollander, he says perhaps you are


going to celebrate your bird, your chuff, is that not your local bird?


And the chuffs are back on the cliffs too, that is good. Tell me


what else, what other kinds of things will come to the fore, now


that you have minority status? I don't think it will make it much


different. I listened to the news and they said other countries have


had their minority status, and it hasn't made any difference, it is no


financial gain. It has given us an identity that we always wanted. As


for independence for Cornwall that is out of the question. We can't


survive on three bags of potatoes and a basket full of fish. You don't


have a sustainable economy of your own? You have Rick Stein! We have to


be realistic about this. You do have a Duchess of Cornwall? That's right.


You have a Duke of Cornwall? He's the Prince of Wales and the Duke of


Cornwall, of course he is. You are speaking to us from Exeter, where do


you live? I live in, on the border. You live which side of the border? I


live just in Devon! So wait a minute, you're like Sean conry in


Scotland -- Conner in Scotland you don't actually live there? You can


take the man out of Cornwall but not the Cornwall out of the man. Pretend


you are in Somerset and go and have some Scrumpy! We have time for two


newspapers, both of the newspapers the Telegraph and the Times report


on a move to end the Queen's role as the head of the church. The


coalition according to the Times says split in the coalition on the


role of the church because Nick Clegg has been talking about whether


to end t Queen's role as head of state. On Newsnight we are holding


our own celebrations of Shakespeare's 450th birthday, we


have asked some of Britain's finest actors to deliver a favourite speech


and character they love. Last night David Harewood chose Eeago and ahead


of her performance, Kevin Mirallas said nobody should read Shakespeare


under the age of 15. Tonight it is Tom Hollander who is swapping his


dog colour for a crown. Did you read Shakespeare at school? A little bit.


What are you doing, this crown on your head as Richard II I? The


opening reach of Richard II I What about Kevin Mirallas's idea that you


should watch it perform but not read it on the page until you are a


grown-up? I don't agree with that But you can't disagree with Helen


Mirren can you? Not really. What about Richard II I, is it a role you


want to play? It is showbiz and somebody has to take your chances,


and somebody says what do you want to do, and I said this. It is


showbiz Newsnight. What about this particular speech? What is it, it is


like Shakespeare's revenge fantasy for anybody who has not been picked


for the school football team. Call it that. That is good enough for me.


Tom Hollander take your seat. OK. Well now is the winter of our


discontent says Tom Hollander, here he goes.


Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious summer by this sun of


York. And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house in the deep bossom of


the ocean buried. Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths, our


bruised arms hung up from monuments, our stern alarums changed to merry


meetings. Our dreadful marches to delightful measures. Grim-visaged


war, hath smooth'd his wringled front, and now instead of mounting


bashed steeds to fright the souls of fearful adversaries, he capers him


inially in the lady's chamber to the lascivious pleasing of a lute. But


I, thattam not shaped for sportive tricks, nor made to court annam


rouse looking-glass. I that am rudely stamp'd and want love's


majesty to strut before a wanton ambling nymp, I that am curtail'd of


this fair proportion, cheated, deformed, unfinished, sent before my


time into this breathing world scarce half made up, and that so


lamely and unfashionable that dogs bark at me as I halt by them, why I


in this weak piping time of peace, have no delight to pass away the


time, unless to spy my shadow in the sun and descant on my own deformity.


The weather at the moment across the country is reverting to type, sunny


spells and scattered showers, it is


With Kirsty Wark. The Birmingham school row, zero hours contracts, wind turbines, spending time with the Chinese army, Jethro talks Cornwall and Tom Hollander talks Shakespeare.

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