17/03/2016 Newsnight


17/03/2016

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Could George Osborne's budget be unravelling over disability cuts?

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Discontent is brewing among Tory backbenchers.

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I think it takes a backward step from where we

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So I, with other colleagues, the urging

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So I, with other colleagues, are urging

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the government to press the pause on it.

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We ask - what will the impact be on those effected?

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Also, tonight a runnning Newsnight investigation -

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another Labour figure, this time an MP, calls

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for an inquiry into bullying of Muslim women within the party.

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What experiences have you had that are similar? I have had members of

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the Labour Party having meetings from which I have excluded from.

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And Education Secretary, Nicky Morgan, has been laying

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out her big vision for the future of schools.

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We'll be grilling the schools minister on what it means

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With the dizzy political high afforded by the so-called sugar tax

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now dissipating, serious scrutiny of some of yesterday's more

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substantive budget announcements increased today.

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And cuts to support payments currently available to disabled

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people could well prove to be the most problematical

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Some Conservative MPs have already broken ranks and yet more have

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privately expressed concern that George Osborne's plan to save over

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?1 billion in Personal Independence Payments unfairly targets some

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The Chancellor was getting a lesson in how to change direction with a

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bit of elegance. Pupils in this leads school showing him skills that

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would be handy for politicians dash getting over daunting obstacles and

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bending over backwards. The Chancellor, make himself need to

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perform a nifty backflip in the coming days over disability welfare

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payments. There is growing disquiet on Conservative benches. We are on

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the side of trying to get vulnerable people to be independent, get into

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work or continue in work. That is the government is macro agenda, to

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improve their life chances. It is a backward step. I would urge other

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colleagues to press pause on it. The PIP, brought in in 2013 to replace

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the disability living allowance, on Friday the government announced the

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way it is calculated for some people, starting next January. We

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are looking at the government trying to save more than a billion pounds a

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year. It is a relatively small minority of those who are receiving

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PIP will lose. But those who will lose will lose significant amounts,

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more than ?3000 a year each. In 2013, this was the projection the

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new PIP system would save 2.5 Oleon and remove 600,000 claimants. Those

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savings never came. Every subsequent forecast has seen the costs rising

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and savings further. Without changes to the PIP, this is what the latest

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rejection was. With changes, the cost comes down a bit, but rises

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again from 2018. In 2010 when the government first introduced the

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fiscal consolidation programme, one of the things they did to make the

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sums add up, was pencil in a 20% cut in what was then disability living

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allowance, which is now the personal independence payment. They never

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planned how they would deliver to 20% cut and indeed, they haven't

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delivered it. The cuts have been announced in the last week and is a

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way of the government finding the money from PIP it promised to cut in

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2010, but never delivered. Today, the Chancellor was hinting there may

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be some flexibility in the government's position. We have got

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to make sure we have a system that works. We have set out proposals to

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do that. We are always happy to listen to proposals others may have

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on how we can improve on that. But we have got to make sure we control

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our disability budget, so as it rises, it absolutely goes to the

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people in our society who need it most. Today's photo opportunity was

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supposed to project a positive image of the Chancellor and his budget.

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That is now in danger, since the savings from disability welfare

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payments are set against cuts in capital gains tax, which will almost

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exclusively help the better off. It is hard to see who the beneficiaries

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to changes to capital gains tax are. But there will be people close to

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the top of the income and wealth distribution. In general, these are

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going to be right towards the top of the income and wealth distribution.

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More Conservative MPs are worried this juxtaposition of tax cuts to

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the rich and benefits cuts to some disabled people is poisonous but the

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government's reputation. We are more generous than previous governments

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in relation to disability. The PIP payments now is much better than the

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way Atos callously treated people. But this puts us on the back foot,

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when we should be looking at more long-term reform. It is a short-term

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fix and looking at other priorities, it doesn't sit so well. As the

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Chancellor sat down for breakfast, Whitehall sources were trying to

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untangle his budget and the benefit changes, which they insist nothing

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to do with it. The reforms to PIP, they say, have come after

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consultation an independent review. Nevertheless, it seems likely a

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rethink all have to be served up soon.

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Joining me now is disability rights campaigner Kaz Aston.

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It is tempting to see every cut as callous but the Chancellor is keen

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to see money reached the right people. It is not an infinite supply

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of money, what is the problem with the proposed changes to PIP? It is

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looking at over 200,000 people who will potentially lose ?3000 a year.

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You are on a reduced income anyway because you are quite often unable

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to work. It will take more pressure to take people to try to earn more

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money, or how they will manage, is a big question. But it is putting

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pressure on their health. We have got to remember they have a

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disability and stress isn't good. It will push them under the knife. What

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sort of things will they be spending the ?3000 on a moment? They could be

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spending it on extra care and extra support to manage their health. Also

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they can go to work and try to do more with their lives or education.

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People with a disability don't want to give up, but look at a more

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sustainable way to carry on and take an active role in society. The

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supply of money isn't infinite, it has been pointed out the overall

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expenditure is going up. As a country we spend more on looking

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after disabled people than on defence. There is nothing wrong with

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that, but there must come a point when every government has the right

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to say, we should save a bit there. If you have got to cut money, you

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have got to cut many. But for people trying to maintain their health and

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be as well and as independent as they can, they need support to do

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that. If you put more stress and pressure on them, it is a negative

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knock on. We are looking at 44% of the 5.5 million working age

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individuals in the UK who have a work limiting health condition,

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being in work, being employed. You mentioned people might have to find

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ways to raise more money, I don't want to sound like the child catcher

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out of Chitty, Chitty bang bang, but working might be the way? A lot of

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people don't want to give up work, people with MS, like I have got,

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quite have to return earlier because they cannot maintain the pace of

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work. With MS, more women have it than men, they have to look after

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children and extra pressures as well. So a lot of extra pressure

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going on the body, which for example, MS, finds it really hard.

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It is difficult to live with. Of course, a couple of Conservative MPs

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breaking ranks. I am hearing a few more might we waiting in the wings.

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Who is speaking for you politically at the moment, who is speaking for

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the recipients? There is a lot going on, a lot of good charities doing

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some good work, but this seems to have been rushed through quickly.

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Yes, of course, we need to be cutting costs all the time to keep

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the country going. However, sometimes you need to put a bit more

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thought into it. Is anyone championing disabled people? I know

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Jeremy Corbyn is waging war on them, who is defending them? We are having

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to fight for ourselves because there are so many agendas. It is quite

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lonely. When you are trying to manage your health and your

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lifestyle and keep as well as you can, you do feel alone. Many thanks

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indeed. Every state school in England

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will become an Academy and be removed from local authority

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control by the end of 2022, This unprecedented change

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to the education system was confirmed in a white paper

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unveiled by education Rather than the situation

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which existed before in which schools were islands

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and stronger heads were unable The weaker schools were left

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to languish under the monopoly We now have a system

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where the best leaders can take control of those weaker

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schools, turn them around, and in doing so, transform the life

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chances of young people Outstanding sponsors,

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great heads, successful trusts, aren't constrained by

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geographical borders. They can extend their reach

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to where ever they're needed, whether they can make

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that difference. The proposals have already been

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criticised by teaching unions, opposition politicians

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and educational charities. So why, in the cases

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of thriving schools, is the Government apparently

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eschewing the age old adage that if it ain't broke, you don't fix it

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and what does the future hold School Minister Nick Gibb joins me

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now, along with Newsnight's Chris Nick Gibb, the last Labour

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government introduced academy status for schools judged to need it. The

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Coalition Government extended academy status to schools who really

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wanted it. Your government is now imposing it on schools that neither

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need or want it? It is an extension of the successful policy of the last

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five years. We want to give professionals the autonomy to run

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their own school. They do already have that? This is giving them more

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autonomy and successful headteachers flourish when they are given the

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freedom academy status has brought. That is why we are seeing these good

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schools that have become academies, seven percentage points better than

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other schools. It gives the headteachers the freedom to run

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their own school, but extend the winning formula to other schools, so

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they can take what they are doing and apply it to weaker schools in

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the area. We want educational excellence in every part of the

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country and we leave the helm of those outstanding and teachers to do

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that. What does the look of freedom look like at the moment. What are

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you targeting? It means freedom over the curriculum, freedom over what

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they pay their staff. They have control over the day-to-day running

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of the school. The teachers who have had that freedom, they love it.

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There are plenty of academies that aren't flourishing? There are, but

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the academies programme takes swift action to underperformers. We

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enabled the regional school Commissioners around the country to

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take action, even changing the sponsor of an academy. This was my

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original point, the powers are already in place to help the schools

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that need it, the invitation is already in place. Why this

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compulsion, why are you forcing it on schools who are already

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performing extremely well? Your own department's figures shows me that

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of the school body is improving and most successful, it is an

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overwhelming majority of them are local authority run. The laws of

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logic would suggest you take the massive majority of excess and make

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everybody else emulate that is, you are doing it the other way around.

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When you look at the figures on the local authority, we have taken out

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the worst performing schools. So you can play with statistics. I am not

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playing with statistics, the figures dictate every school is included,

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the worst performing, the best performing, the slow performing. I

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can take you to an academy sponsor... They have taken schools

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underperforming and in special measures and transformed them into

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or three years to outstanding schools. We want that approach to

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happen across the country. Even when teachers don't want it and haven't

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asked for it. We want those headteachers to help across the

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country. These are the headteachers of some of the best schools in the

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country? We want them to help us with the underperforming schools in

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their area. It is about spreading the excellence. Only child gets one

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chance at education and we have to work together collaboratively and

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spread things that are working in those high performing schools. Where

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is the evidence? They are improving at twice the

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rate. Where is the evidence that taking a primary school already very

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good, the one my children go to, for example, and forcing them to become

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an Academy is going to make a good school even better? Those schools

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that have become voluntarily Academies, the results are 7%

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better. I am not asking about the voluntarily changing schools, but

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those quite happy with the situation as it is who had been told today

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they cannot carry on quite happily and successfully and have the change

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for reasons I fail to grasp. This is a five-year plan, we want schools to

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be part of a collaborative system, the multi-academy trusts system, to

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take what is working in successful schools and spread it to

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underperforming schools. There should not be underperforming

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schools in Alice Stem and in teaching and in education, we have

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to work together to make school every work or school, that is what

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parents want -- in our system. I am a parent and my children's school is

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brilliant, why do you need to change it? Because we want at school to

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help those that are not brilliant. Your children are lucky but many

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children go to schools... And failing schools can have Academy

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status imposed upon them? We need them to help the other schools. You

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broke this story, you would be education correspondent on the

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financial Times, have you dug into the detail of these proposals? Yes,

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there are big risks that the Minister I am sure will be aware.

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One of the biggest is that the Academy chains are just not that big

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and not that good at the moment. Especially outside London. The

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research shows that are only three chains that reliably, on the

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department's figures, improve results faster than the national

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average and better. They are all in London, that no Academies outside

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that position outside London. This will put enormous power on the

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Department of education and will require an enormous amount of

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implementation and administration to change the 15,000 schools from one

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status to another and the Department of education is a sort of

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catastrophe. One of the worst apartment in Whitehall. It was

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money, it struggles with budgets, it is very bad at doing basic

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administrative things and this is a big implementation risk. Over the

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last five years, that 1.4 million more children in good and

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outstanding schools today than in 2010. We have formed the primary

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curriculum, children are reading better, 120,000 six-year-olds this

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year reading more effectively than without the reforms. Emanating from

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the Department for education. We have reformed the GCSE

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qualifications, putting them on a par with the best in the world. As a

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consequence, more young people receive a better of it -- a better

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education. This white Paper ensures we take the successes of the last

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five years so they apply in every part of the country where for years

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they had been languishing with some underperforming schools, that is

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what this is about. The successes of the last five years point to the

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current system being effective, surely? And not in need of root and

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branch change. It is not just GCSE is your department is changing,

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A-levels, league tables, funding formulas, cuts. Your own department

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describes the workload crisis teaches base. Tenders -- changes

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have been mooted for primary assessment. And against that epic

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change in difficulty, you insist, incest, Minister, that every single

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state school in the country undergoes quite contemplated legal

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process that many of them have no desire to undertake whatsoever. You

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say Kotze, ?1.6 billion of extra funding. There is a one West! You

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can pick one word! We will have a much fairer system of funding. There

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has been a lot of change in terms of the curriculum and exam system in

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five years and in what is coming to fruition now. Premier schools are

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preparing Muslims years. In a time of change, which impose such a

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complicated legal process? -- preparing for the last five years.

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There will also be a period of stability for the curriculum as the

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changes begin and teachers learn how to teach the new curriculum. We have

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promised that. But we have to make sure that the excellence we have in

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successful schools in this country spreads to every part of the country

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and that is why we are changing the teacher training system and

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qualification system so every school is a good school. While I have the

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pleasure of your company, you saw the film we made about the

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disability cuts and some of your Parliamentary colleagues expressing

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grave misgivings. It is a while since I did maths, but the

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calculations I have done see about ?4.4 billion being taken from

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disabled people and about ?5.5 billion being given back to

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relatively high earners. This is the return of the nastier party. Not at

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all, the PIPs will go up in real terms in every year of this

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Parliament and there are more people in receipt of disability benefits as

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a consequence of what has happened in the last couple of years than

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before. We spent ?50 billion a year on disability benefits. There has

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been judicial cases in recent years that have extended PIPs that we

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introduced to help disabled people deal with the extra costs of

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day-to-day life as a consequence of their disability. Some of those

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cases have extended PIPs the people who do not have two incur extra

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costs as a consequence of their disability and that is why the

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government has consulted on how to address that issue and we will be

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consulting disability groups and Members of Parliament as we can

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comment those reforms. Many thanks indeed.

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The Labour MP for Bradford West, Naz Shah, has revealed details

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of what she claims are attempts by members of her local party

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She decided to speak out after a Newsnight investigation

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into the blocking of women entering politics in wards with high numbers

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Last week, the Luton MP Gavin Shuker told Newsnight's Katie Razzall

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that he had felt extremely pressured by elements within the party to stay

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silent about things he knew to be true.

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Labour's National Exectuive Committe has already taken over control

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Tonight, Naz Shah has been talking to Katie about her own experiences.

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But first, a quick reminder of the story.

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Six weeks ago, we broadcast claims by Muslim women

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that the Labour Party had a problem in its ranks.

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The charity Muslim Women's Network UK wrote to Jeremy Corbyn,

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talking of systematic misogyny by Muslim men in his party.

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We spoke to women who told us they had been sabotaged and blocked

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People were just turning up at my family home and trying

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Because I didn't have my father's consent and support,

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Labour officials must be allowing this to happen.

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After that report, more women approached us with experiences

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they said they'd had of the so-called biraderi,

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a kind of patriarchal clan politics that's often seen as an import

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These included councillors and ex-councillors from the party.

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I had phone calls to say, your son is five, do you want him

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Stuff was posted through my letterbox and when I opened it,

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a picture of a Page Three nude model and a picture of my

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Throughout our investigation, we've heard allegations of threats,

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pressure put on families and other tactics used against women,

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Though up till now, nobody in this town felt willing to go on camera.

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That was until our second report aired last Friday night.

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After watching it, the Labour MP for Bradford West, Naz Shah,

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wrote a stinging piece in the Huffington Post,

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saying the women's testimonies resonated with her because she'd

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experienced similar bullying and intimidation.

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She's agreed to talk to me exclusively about what's

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going on in the Labour Party, in seats like these.

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What experiences have you had that are similar to the women we have

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spoken to our investigation? I have had members of the Labour Party

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having meetings I have been excluded from. When those meetings have

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happened, I have been discussed and it has been agreed, somebody had a

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printed picture of me, somebody had an article printed of me and it was

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agreed they would look for further evidence to desecrate my character

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because I am a Muslim. In Muslim woman living in Bradford, that would

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really be very damaging for me culturally. What kind of picture? A

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picture of me and a friend at a party. Was it. There was a bar

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behind. I have not got a drink in my hand, I do not drink alcohol, but it

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was damaging. I was asked in my campaign between Labour members in

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one campaign office whether I was in a relationship with a serving MP at

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the time. I said, no, and I said, why? You would not ask a man that

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question. I challenged them and it was interesting. It was the kind of

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misogyny that exists, it is shocking. How does it work? The

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women from the communities we have spoken to say they are blocked and

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the selection process is dubious. Yes, it is because what happens is

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you have people, you have people that are agreed you will be selected

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and you will tell people how the boat and they will vote that.

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Amongst my six wards, there are some very dubious practices in some of

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those wards, not all sex, I must say. There is a higher number, I

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hired volume of Pakistani membership, that is a fact. -- a

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higher number. Where there is a higher number of Pakistani

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membership, it is a culture of gatekeeping and power politics for

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the sake of having power and that power resides with the men. How do

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this small number of men have the power? They control the electorate,

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it is family loyalties, climbed loyalties, a Pakistani model of

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doing things, which means you will follow your parents and your family,

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how your family will support that person. I have had good guys from

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the community who have said, please, please lot will never let you win

:26:27.:26:30.

another election, they will ruin you, just back down. Do you think

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that is true? A lot of women claim they were deselected because they

:26:38.:26:40.

were too vocal as councils. Could you be ousted? Absolutely. Because

:26:41.:26:48.

they control the electorate. And it is cultural, not religious? Let us

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be clear, this is not a Muslim issue. If anything, I get my

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strength from my religion to address this because inequality is not

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accepted in my religion. I get strength to challenge this had on

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through my faith. It is a difficult issue. People worry about appearing

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racist if they talk about it, do they? Let us be clear, there are

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times when you cannot address something because you will be seen

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as attacking that community. Never so much as now because of

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Islamophobia and the rise of that, do we tackle it, does it look like I

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am attacking my own community? No, I am doing the right thing, whether

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you are Muslim, white, black, Asian, pink, it does not matter, what is

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wrong is wrong. That has to be our starting point. It has to be for

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democracy, politics needs women. And women deserve better. Do you think

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the Labour Party is doing enough in this area? In terms of my

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experiences, I have had the most support from the Labour Party

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leadership. I am meeting with Jeremy Corbyn next week to look at these

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issues. I have had support from fellow women MPs, male MPs, I really

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have been supported, I have not had, experienced anything to stop what I

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am trying to do. Muslim Women's Network UK want an Independent

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enquiry by the Labour Party in this and they have Britain to Jeremy

:28:19.:28:24.

Corbyn scheme for it, do you support that? Absolutely. Do you think they

:28:25.:28:28.

will get that? Yes, I do not see why not, Labour being transparent in

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terms of fairness and justice and equality, we stand for that. I put

:28:34.:28:38.

that in my article, it is in my DNA and the Labour Party DNA and we

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should be transparent and open and if we need to be doing anything

:28:42.:28:45.

including an enquiry, we should do that. Why have you spoken out now?

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It is incumbent upon me, there is more reason to speak about it

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because I have come through the system. I have a responsibility to

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other women behind me and those women that do not help women, they

:28:59.:29:02.

say there is a special place in hell for them and I do not want to be

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there, simple. Naz Shah talking to

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Katie Razzall there. And the Labour Party have given us

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the following statement. "The Labour Party has been

:29:08.:29:09.

at the forefront of the fight We have transformed

:29:10.:29:12.

the representation of women in politics and championed equality

:29:13.:29:15.

for women in the workplace. Any complaints or evidence

:29:16.:29:17.

of sexism, intimidation, received by the Labour Party

:29:18.:29:19.

are dealt with fairly, according to our

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procedures and the law." EU leaders are tonight

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desp Party erately It's an urgent task,

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nnot just because a tidal wave of humanity continues

:29:36.:29:41.

to wash up on Greek shores, but also because the 28 heads

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of member states need to establish a united front before presenting it

:29:48.:29:49.

to the Turkish Prime Minister While the Dutch Prime Minister has

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spoken of the crisis being curtailed within a month of a deal

:29:53.:29:59.

being reached, his Lithuanian and Belgian counterparts have

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questioned the morality and even the legality of a plan to see

:30:02.:30:04.

all migrants travelling to Greece Damian Grammaticas is at

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the summit in Brussels. any sign of that deal? As we are

:30:07.:30:24.

talking now, the world filtering out is a leaders seem to be dotting the

:30:25.:30:29.

eyes and crossing the tea on that consensus. One thing is legal

:30:30.:30:37.

safeguards to guarantee that any refugee landing in Greece will get a

:30:38.:30:41.

hearing of their asylum claim before they could be returned. The second

:30:42.:30:46.

thing, is dealing with the concerns of Cyprus, which has a very troubled

:30:47.:30:51.

relationship with Turkey. I'm trying to progress Turkey's membership bid

:30:52.:30:58.

for the EU while keeping Cyprus's concerns in view as well. Turkey

:30:59.:31:04.

doesn't acknowledge or recognise the Cypriots government, so that is a

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stumbling block. Any others? If the leaders wrap up this deal, as we are

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hearing now, in the morning the Turkish Prime Minister will be here

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and it will be put to him. He will have two signed off on it as well.

:31:21.:31:26.

That is when you might see the most difficult negotiations, particularly

:31:27.:31:31.

over the EU saying they would take around 70,000 refugees from Turkey

:31:32.:31:34.

directly to the EU, in return for all of those being sent back to

:31:35.:31:40.

Turkey. That might not be acceptable to the Turks. They have said they

:31:41.:31:46.

don't want to become a holding pen for huge numbers of refugees heading

:31:47.:31:50.

for the EU. So many, many people might not be covered by these talks.

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Difficult talks ahead. Staying with the EU,

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the Polish Deputy Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki was in London

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earlier this week and was interviewed by Evan Davies,

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who began by asking him how worried he is by the prospect of Britain

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voting to leave the EU. I hope that the UK will remain

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as part of the European Union We have some geopolitical

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turbulence around us. In particular, when you look

:32:11.:32:16.

at the eastern border lines of the European Union,

:32:17.:32:19.

they are not as secure We have the situation in the Ukraine

:32:20.:32:24.

and in Russia and it is better to be Can we talk about

:32:25.:32:32.

the migrant crisis? Because you talk about these

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geopolitical differences. It is an agreement that will be

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taking probably quite a lot of Syrians from Turkey for putting

:32:39.:32:45.

into the European Union, And I am wondering how many

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Poland is happy to take? In Poland, we have a very specific

:32:48.:32:53.

situation because of the war We actually have accepted

:32:54.:32:56.

355,000 refugees. Not only refugees, but migrant

:32:57.:33:03.

workers, different people. In this figure, we also find many

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people who escape from the situation And with regard to the refugees,

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we also agreed to a figure to accommodate a specific number

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of refugees from the Middle East. For a country of more

:33:19.:33:24.

than 50 million people. And I wonder whether you'd be much

:33:25.:33:33.

better defending the rights of Poles to go to Britain, or the rights of

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Poles to get benefits in Germany... First, I would love those Poles

:33:42.:33:46.

to come back to Poland. You're very good at defending,

:33:47.:33:50.

if you like, migrants' rights when they're Polish migrants,

:33:51.:33:53.

but you have been very much less... Migrants coming to Spain and Italy

:33:54.:33:56.

from Northern Africa. We have people, refugees

:33:57.:34:01.

from the Middle East. I think the European Union has

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to take all those three elements of the whole refugee

:34:04.:34:09.

jigsaw into consideration. And we have helped to accommodate

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lots of refugees from the Ukraine. When we look at the clash of values,

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Western Europeans are frankly very worried about some of the things

:34:20.:34:23.

the Polish government They're worried about the commitment

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to what they would think Does it worry you that there

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is clearly a division? There is a split, but

:34:32.:34:43.

the split is obvious. We have been left after

:34:44.:34:45.

the Second World War and we have not Because of a frozen economy,

:34:46.:34:48.

some economists say. And we are now catching up

:34:49.:34:53.

in terms of the economy. In terms of the democratic

:34:54.:34:56.

standards, we are actually up to the standards which

:34:57.:34:59.

are in Western Europe, Look at the level of corruption,

:35:00.:35:00.

for instance, which is Corruption has actually

:35:01.:35:05.

been dropping. Poland is on a very strong global

:35:06.:35:12.

compared to countries like Italy or Spain, which are probably viewed

:35:13.:35:15.

by many Western Europeans How long do you think it will be

:35:16.:35:23.

before Poland reaches an income level, a wage level,

:35:24.:35:28.

that means Polish workers will not want to be leaving and going

:35:29.:35:30.

to richer countries in Western Well, I hope this level,

:35:31.:35:34.

we will be able to reach quite soon. Our current predictions

:35:35.:35:41.

for the average salary level in the European Union

:35:42.:35:44.

are around 2030. They are now on the level of 70%,

:35:45.:35:51.

69-70% of average EU. But you don't have to be

:35:52.:35:54.

on 100 not to migrate. I hope it will happen over the next

:35:55.:35:59.

five to seven years. Deputy Prime Minister,

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thank you very much indeed. Optogenetic treatment of neurons

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spawning dendritic spines This is neither a Scrabble crib

:36:07.:36:13.

sheet nor a sesquipedalian's fantasy sequence, but a process

:36:14.:36:20.

by which memories previously believed to have been banished

:36:21.:36:22.

by Alzheimer's disease can New research at the Picower

:36:23.:36:24.

Institute of Memory and Learning at the Massachusetts Institute

:36:25.:36:31.

of Technology has been conducted on mice with Alzheimers-like

:36:32.:36:41.

symptoms, but the ramifications for humanity could

:36:42.:36:43.

prove considerable. Dr Susumu Tonegawa is the research

:36:44.:36:44.

leader and a former winner Professor, what have you been doing

:36:45.:37:09.

and what are you most excited about? With Alzheimer's disease, it is well

:37:10.:37:14.

known that before the signature of this disease appears, there is a

:37:15.:37:22.

period of a few years where patients already show mammary impairments. --

:37:23.:37:35.

memory. Many researchers hoped is because these patients cannot form

:37:36.:37:46.

new mammary. We have shown in mouse models, these mice can form new

:37:47.:37:55.

memory very well. But they cannot retrieve the memory. That is the

:37:56.:38:00.

most exciting finding. The second exciting finding is we could cure

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this impairment of memory recall by increasing the connection of spines

:38:09.:38:25.

on the memory holding cells. Just a natural recall, the mouse showed

:38:26.:38:34.

normal, retrievable memory. I am going to embarrass myself, but you

:38:35.:38:39.

create these spines by shining a special type of light onto them?

:38:40.:38:47.

Yes, that is exactly what we did. It is a technology called Optogenetics.

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These memory sells, apply strength of Lou light, -- bluelight, we could

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increase the spine density of these memory bearing cells. The extension

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of this technology to human beings is within reach? It depends on

:39:16.:39:25.

technological development. Among the experts, the opinion is not the

:39:26.:39:33.

same. Some optimistic people will say some kind of a cure will be

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based on this type of principle can be done within the next few years,

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maybe three or four years. But more conservative engineers and

:39:43.:39:47.

researchers would say, it will take longer than that. What would you

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say, professor? I am not really an expert on this. I am not an

:39:54.:40:02.

engineering person. But I would be cautious. I make sure this type of

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research will provide us with precise information about where in

:40:09.:40:14.

the brain the brain cells should be activated. So I would be

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conservative, but eventually I think this type of experimental results

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will help engineers and surgeons to target specific small areas of the

:40:33.:40:41.

brain to simulate, to reduce the disorder. Many thanks indeed.

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Congratulations. Thank you very much. That is all we have time for

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tonight. Good night. Cloud is going to be a feature in

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the weather story over the next few days and a lot of it. It has been

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spilling into the North Sea and will continue

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