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Five years ago, Sir Bernard Hogan Howe was appointed


It's a very complex job policing London and people understand that.


My job in leading the Met is to make sure we get crime down, we arrest


criminals and that we support victims.


He steps down this month, but is policing in London


and the rest of the country in a happy and glorious state?


Sir Bernard is with us for a farewell television interview.


Also tonight, we hear from the parents of Trayvon Martin,


the black 17 year-old killed by a white neighbourhood


Equal rights, community, it is supposed to be that we are all the


same and I just don't think with this administration so far with the


things that they are doing they are proving that to be true.


Do you have confidence in John Bercow, the Speaker


That very question is being put to MPs.


We'll hear the case for and against him.


And how far should the authorities go to prevent poaching?


Look at this, this is the village road and just over here is the


National Park full of all of those wild animals. Berardo fences, no


signs, and if I was to step across and into it there is a real danger


that I could be shot. -- there are no fences.


For the last five-and-a-half years, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe has been


Metropolitan Police Commissioner and Britain's most senior policeman.


Appointed just after the 2011 riots by then Home Secretary Theresa May,


with the backing of then London Mayor Boris Johnson,


his reign is coming to an end this month.


In some ways he can look back on his years with satisfaction -


crime has fallen and the Olympics passed off peacefully.


But his is a job that is always embroiled in controversy,


and there has been no shortage of that.


Plebgate, the purchase of water cannon, Operation Elvedon, Operation


And there has been a growing sense, expressed by Theresa May herself,


that policing is not quite all it should be.


We'll talk about the state of policing shortly,


Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe was appointed as Met


Commissioner in late 2011, a bad time for the police.


A month before his appointment urban riots


started across England in connection with a London police shooting.


The political climate for the thin blue


In the last few years we have seen the


Leveson Inquiry, the appalling conclusions of the Hillsborough


Independent Panel, the death of Ian Tomlinson


and the sacking of PC Harwood, the ongoing inquiry...


Running the Metropolitan Police is, of course, a


phenomenally complicated job but one of Sir Bernard's biggest challenges


is perhaps best understood by looking at the building behind me.


This, this is the new New Scotland Yard and you might have noticed it's


quite a lot smaller than the old one.


The Met absorbed a 22% budget cut in the last Parliament, so how


Well, I think you have to say that London is safer than


it was in 2011 when Bernard Hogan-Howe came in in the sense that


crime has continued to fall over that period.


We certainly haven't seen a recurrence of the London


riots which took place in 2011 just before he came in.


incident, mass-casualty terrorist incident.


So in that sense he has been successful.


But obviously, you know, only part of that is down to


what the police do and part of it is down to wider


David Lammy, a London MP, has been conducting an official review into


Well, he came in after the riots and the


big issue was dealing with the increase in stop and search.


And a huge crisis in confidence in both


black and urban communities, but also young people.


And I think he did step back from stop and search.


We have seen more intelligence-led stop and search.


It's still too high but it is a lot lower,


and the noise is not as loud as it was.


He also delivered a good Olympics and that was a big


challenge at that time, would the Olympics be delivered


Lots of Londoners, however, agree on some specific


There's been a series of quite high profile


and very costly probes into


So, for example, child abuse and hacking.


Which haven't turned out particularly well.


I think there is a real issue in the Metropolitan Police around


And I think finally there is perhaps the


slightly dismissive attitude to the changing nature of crime,


So recently I'm sure some of your viewers will have heard


Sir Bernard made a joke about throwing laptops at crowds which I


think is perhaps an unhelpful comment.


Some of those failings contributed to a damning recent


report on the Met and child protection.


Far too many of the cases we looked at fell well short


of expected standards and meant that victims weren't protected.


Evidence was lost and offenders continued to


The effect of those cuts have also been felt.


The neighbourhood picture looks far different


and not nearly as good as


it was if you went back five, six years.


The officers that you know in your local community, their names,


their phone numbers, that neighbourhood levels picture, the


anti-social behaviour in communities, particularly on some of


our toughest housing estates, I think has got worse


Good afternoon, I'm pleased to announce that Bernard Hogan-Howe


has been appointed as the next Commissioner of the Metropolitan


Looking back, though, Sir Bernard has done something very


tough that neither of his two predecessors managed.


Serve five years and then retire at a time of


Chris Kirk the. Sir Bernard is with me, good evening. Good evening. --


Chris Cooke. Theresa May was scathing about the police, I could


read the quotes but essentially she said they hold the public in


contempt and it's not just a few bad apples, it is a significant


minority. Was she right at the time? We have experienced some challenges


over the last few years and we have high standards and if we do not meet


them we are disappointed but that was in 2014, here we are in 2017.


Only two and a half years ago. Two and a half years is a long time. Has


changed for the better now? I think so, nobody would argue it is perfect


but it is true that police forces around the world look to us as a


great example of good policing. But she was scathing. You've got to our


knowledge, everybody must acknowledge, we police the streets


of the city without a gun and the reason we do that is because we have


the respect and support of the public which is vitally important


and we should all recognise that. One of the points she made was that


only four in ten black people trust the police if you ask them and she


said that was an unsustainable position. Has not improved? It has


during my tenure in London. I can point to two things which are


powerful pieces of evidence that we're getting better. We are more


representative of the London I see on the streets. If you look at the


recruiting over the last 18 months one in three of our recruits are


from minorities. What about the BBC? When was the last time you saw that


many people who come from minorities who work here? I don't want to


isolate that is one example of the establishment. Number two, which was


in some of your report, we reduced stop and by 70%, when I took over we


were stop searching 1.3 million people per year, that is too many.


What we did in the next two and a half to three years, we reduced the


number of stop and searches and increased the number of people


arrested and at the same time crime came down. We can do it better by


targeting the people who need stopping. Knife crime has started


going up in the last three years, quite sharply. Not in the last few


years but in the last year. Some of your staff think that is because of


the delayed reaction of reducing stop and search. Is that plausible


as an account as to why knife crime is rising? We're not sure, nobody


can prove exactly what has happened but I think there are two reasons.


As I took over I instigated a gang command, I thought there was a gang


problem in London and I believe there was and still is. We targeted


the gangs and put a lot of them away, we put in prison about 1500


people. And of course they came out. The second thing is, there is no


doubt it's possible we got to love with stop and search, 70% is a big


change. Interestingly, at the same time in New York, they went from


about 1 million stop and searches to about 23,000, they went through the


floor and lost the support of the public. I don't think we did. The


reason I changed stop and search is because of the reason I mentioned,


we were doing too many, 1.3 million is and what in the city of 8.4


million at the time. Every four weeks for the last five and a half


years I've had a public meeting in a different part of London and a lot


of black families were coming to the meetings and complaining about the


level of stop and search. I'm still doing those meetings but don't get


the same complaints in the same way and people were acknowledge we are


improving. There is a lot of concern about the calibre and competence of


the police. You will know there have been all sorts of


episodes and he would expect there to be some. I'm interested in what


you think went wrong in this Stephen Port case, this is a Cereal Killer


Cafe four bodies, it took four bodies to be found outside or in the


vicinity of his own flat. He had spoken to the police about these


things and other people said there is a gay serial killer out there and


the police said, no, these are unrelated deaths all in the same


cemetery. I think people are perplexed at how that sort of thing


can happen. What is your theory as to where it goes wrong? Is that


institutionalised homophobia, people are a bit dim, because police


stations are not joined up? It is easy to say the police are a bit


dim. I'm just asking you. It is quite often a thing, we don't mind,


call as dim as you like, we get on with our job but in these cases, I


can't say too much because the IPCC are investigating and I hope you


understand that. If you go into the wider point as to what mistakes are


happening at times and why don't we spot things, on the whole they get


it right. Of the murders we get in London, which are relatively rare,


in my time in the last five years murders are about 103 per year and


in the preceding five years 130 per year, the detecting rate is 95%. My


point is we get it right on the whole. Occasionally we will not spot


patterns I don't think we should leap to a conclusion before


examining each case. It looks intuitively as if we should have


spotted it earlier but surely we need to look at it seriously. Some


of the management have been involved in deploying resources to things on


a colossal scale. People say it's because you're just responding to


the whims of the politicians. Operation Elveden is one that is


cited, plebgate is a very interesting one because you actually


accessed some journalist's phone records in order to find out who the


source of a leak was to a journalist at The Sun. As you look back, do you


think accessing phone records for a story as inconsequential as


plebgate, I'm not saying it wasn't consequential for the players but it


wasn't a murder, lives were not at risk, this was not a terrorist thing


and you used the RIPA. Police had conspired to remove a cabinet


minister, that was fairly minor, wasn't it? That was the issue being


dealt with. You thought it was appropriate to access journalist's


records to find the source of the story to see who leaked it. That was


found to be legal, eventually in the civil courts it was found it was a


breach, in terms of the PC he gave an inaccurate account as to what was


said at the gate. Operation Elveden was mentioned by one of the people


talking. They fused together three different things, they confuse


hacking with Elveden, Operation Weeting was hacking, that was what


journalists did. Elton was the payments to officials. All of that


was in the case and they looked at hacking. Elveden, people who are


watching this will not remember, was where journalists paid public


servants for private information. They paid significant amounts, in


one case ?50,000. Soldiers, police officers. The people who received


that money were all convicted with one exception of bribery and went to


prison. The journalist with one exception were not convicted, you


can only reach one conclusion. The people receiving the bribe committed


an offence but the people who gave it to them did not. I can't explain


that. Let me make one final point because you repeat the argument,


this was quite a minor thing. The only recently got involved in that


was because two committees of Parliament and an public inquiry. I


didn't set of the inquiry but surely I would have been arrogant to have


ignored the serious issues and we did put officers into it for the two


operations mentioned. The blagging by journalists of private


information, remember Gordon Brown was said to have information about


his child taken from a GP. That is a serious issue. Yes, we put resources


into it, we didn't disrupt the rest of London. Let me ask you a final


question, your successor, two women are in the running. Do you think it


will make a difference to the ethos, the culture, the way the Met


operates to have a woman as the very senior police person in the country?


In my five and a half years half of the management board including


police officers are women. We have already had some senior women in the


highest level at the Met. I would make that simple point because


people don't always know it. In terms of who they pick, if you ask


me what to do, always pick talent. OK? Pick the right person for the


job, never pick second-best on the grounds of their gender, their race


or anything else. Always go for talent, you will have a good next


5-7 years. If you compromise and go for second best, why would you quiz


like you are in danger of letting yourself get into a future that will


be a compromise and I would always advise never to do that. We have to


leave it there, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, thank you.


Back in 2012, a young black American was shot and killed


while walking through a gated community in Florida.


His name was Trayvon Martin, and his killer was George Zimmerman,


a white neighbourhood watch volunteer.


Trayvon, who was only 17, was not armed, and his death led


George Zimmerman was acquitted of murder, claiming


It was an extraordinary case that first prompted


Well, five years on, the parents of Trayvon Martin have


written a book on the case, and Mark Urban has been


It was the case that, for many, summed up the dysfunction


of America's gun laws and the depth of its racial divide.


Trayvon Martin, 17, African-American, unarmed,


was shot as he walked through the Florida gated community


The acquittal of George Zimmerman, the head of the community's


neighbourhood watch, who'd claimed self-defence,


The verdict sparked nationwide protests,


and at the forefront of those, always, Trayvon's parents,


Tracy Martin and Sabrina Fulton, who've spoken out about gun violence


I met them both, and began by asking Tracy how quickly his son's


death became caught up in America's racial politics.


It became a racial issue fairly quick.


Just looking at a lot of things on social media,


even before the arrest, and how people had their own


perception and how people, the country started getting divided


And what was amazing was the fact that through all of this,


we had a dead 17-year-old on the ground, and then you had


supporters of the killer of our son raising money for him,


just because it was a young African-American man that had


And so, it definitely took a racial...a racial turn that


Sabrina, when you start your portion of the book -


you alternate chapters together - there are a couple of quotes


there from the Scriptures, and I'm wondering how belief can


survive an experience like the one you went through.


One of the things I learned when I was real young is that


when it rains on the outside, it rains on everybody.


It just doesn't rain on the bad people, or it just doesn't


rain on the good people, it rains on everybody.


And so we have to understand that, we may not understand why tragedy


occurs in your life, but God has a different


plan, and we might not understand those things.


And so, I think that my strong faith in God and knowing that


Trayvon is in heaven, it kind of gives me peace within.


One of the things that happened in the aftermath was the emergence


of the Black Lives Matter movement, wasn't it?


It came to fruition after Trayvon's death, and that was attributed


to African-Americans just being tired of being


Black lives are the ones that are getting shot


in the vehicles with your hands up, with your kid in the car,


or getting choked out by the police, or getting shot at at a convenience


store because you're playing your music too loud.


These are the lives that are being taken.


And so, the plea, the cry, is, listen, our lives


matter just as much as any other nationality lives.


And so, I think because of the acquittal, the injustices that


You know, it was a spark, it was a new beginning


How do you think you push it forward now?


Because you're campaigning, and we see that even


President Obama, with all the things that happened, from Trayvon,


to Sandy Hook and all the other things, couldn't bring about a big


change in the gun culture in this country, so how do you convince


people that this is not a hopeless struggle, that there IS something


I mean, our kids are our future, so we have to have some kind of hope.


We can't just give up and say, OK, well, that's the way this country


is, and we're just going to leave it the way that it is.


We've got to do the best that we can and try to make positive change.


Tracy - you, like the rest of us, are watching the TV


over the past year - what do you make of


the Trump phenomenon, the election of this president?


Watching everything that's been going on over the past years,


it amazes me that you can say or do just about anything you want


to do and then become the leader of the free world.


And that just goes to show the mindset of this country,


the division in this country, and it doesn't speak to reality.


Because this isn't supposed to be a dictatorship,


this is supposed to be a...equal rights community, it's supposed


And I just don't think with this administration so far,


with the things that they're doing, they're proving that to be true.


I think that we did take a few steps back.


I think even though we came a long way, as far as race and guns


and education and everything, I think right now, we have


It's five years since Trayvon was shot - where do you think we'll


Well, we're certainly looking at public office,


we're looking at our local government, to see how...


See which position that we'll be most beneficial to,


and how we can bring about change in our communities, how we can bring


about change in the states, and how we can bring about change


We understand that in order to make change, you have to be


And no position is too small to look into, because it IS the small


These are the best of times and the worst of times for House


Hailed by some as a hero for his stance on Donald Trump on Monday -


remember he said he was against the new President addressing


Parliament - he finds a motion of no-confidence has been put down


Our political editor, Nick Watt, is with me.


Before we talk about the Speaker, Labour reshuffle this afternoon,


what do you make of it? Well, Trotsky was of course associated


with the concept of permanent revolution, and Jeremy Corbyn now


seems to be associated with the concept of the permanent reshuffle.


Late this afternoon, he carried out his umpteenth reshuffle to fill the


Cabinet places which had vacated by those who felt they had to leave


because of Brexit. The position of shadow chief secretary is one to


note. Jeremy Corbyn regards her as one of the rising stars of the 2015


intake. Right, this motion of no confidence in the Speaker, is it


going anywhere? Well, the former Africa minister has tabled this


motion. He has done it in the form of an early day motion. David Davis


once famously said that an EDM stands for extremely dangerous


member, but there are MPs who say, 0 and this has been tabled in a way


that means that it will have to be debated. There are other MPs who are


saying, no, this is a bunch of Tory MPs who are doing the Government's


bidding, they have never accepted John Bercow, they don't like the way


he holds the Government to account and so they are pushing it this way.


I think in government circles, they're saying that if this EDM were


signed by about 30 MPs, or about 5%, it might have an impact. What I'm


hearing from the Tory MPs who do support John Berkey is, they feel


that he did cross a line when he effectively unilaterally vetoed a


visit from Donald Trump to speak to Parliament, I am hearing a note of


defiance firstly, they are saying, if MPs got rid of John Bercow, they


would be telling the world that they are aligning themselves with Donald


Trump. And the second thing I'm hearing is that he will abide by his


commitment to serve nine years, which would end in June next year.


But that might slip six months or so into early 2019.


I'm now joined from Leeds by Alec Shelbrooke, a Conservative


MP who says he will support the motion of no


In Glasgow, we have the SNP's Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh,


Good evening to you. Alec Shelbrooke, what is wrong with him?


We feel that it was very unfortunate for the Speaker to involve himself


in a political debate. I want to get it absolutely clear, I do not


support all the policies of Donald Trump, I certainly do not like his


attitude and reported comments and alleged assaults towards women, I


want to get that on the record. However I think the Speaker must


stay above the political argument. Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh and myself will


have a political debate in a moment. That is the debate of politicians,


the Speaker should remain independent of those debates.


Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, do you agree that it is about whether or not the


Speaker should express an opinion on Donald Trump, which is the debate?


First of all, he was speaking in response to a point of order made in


relation to the president. I think in response to early day motions, in


fact, the most popular EDM signed since the start of the year is the


one which supports the position of the Speaker. I believe he was


perfectly within his right to give his opinion. I cannot help but think


there is an alternative agenda at play here. Increasingly we are


seeing in the House of Commons this kind of playground politics,


bullyboys tactics and wanting a Speaker to be politicised as they


want to replace him with someone of the opposite view. We are kind of


fed up of this in the chamber. I do not agree with the Speaker on


everything, but certainly we can say we have a Speaker who is


pro-equality, he deals with men and women in equal measure, he will try


and take points of order from us when we have protests to make about


things which are being done in the chamber, and also he shows a quality


towards disabled people and people of ethnic minorities. So this is a


modernising Speaker. It has been said recently that some people have


an objection to a modernising Speaker, well, I think we have to go


into the 21st century, and get away from what seems to be a Hogwarts


type of debating society. Can you come back on that, Alec Shelbrooke?


As I say, I think it is important that the Speaker does not give a


political view. As a Speaker, do you think he's a good Speaker, apart


from that one transgression which you believe he made? Well, there are


many positives to the Speaker. As I understand it, when there were


statements and urgent questions in the past, not every backbencher was


entitled to get in, and he does certainly do that. But he has let


himself down in other areas, by appearing not to be independent of


what is a hypothetical question, given that an application has not


been made. I do think that he does some good things when he takes the


points of order, and I support Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh when she made


the point of order about the language which was used. I was in


for the point of order but I did not actually hear the actual thing


itself. Let's not get away from the fact that the Speaker renounces a


political party when he becomes Speaker and is supposed to be


respected and trusted on both sides of the house, so that he can


independently chaired debates. This was a step over the line which has


called into question his independence the Government Tasmina


Ahmed-Sheikh, talk is true this Nicholas Soames incident, so, you


were talking in the House and you heard him making barking noises in


the background, which you then reported, you asked John Bercow to


rule on that, and did he deal with it well? Yes. I made him aware that


I wanted to make a point of order in relation to this behaviour, and I


afforded Nicholas Soames the courtesy but she does not afford me


in the chamber by passing him a note to let him know that he could be in


the chamber to defend himself if he wanted to. The Speaker brought the


issue to the forefront and Nicholas Soames said, if I was offended, he


was sorry. Quite why I would not be offended by somebody making barking


noises is beyond my comprehension. And the Speaker said that that would


be the matter, for now. It's demonstrated that he was not


prepared to put up with any kind of sexism in the chamber. I do not


accept suggestions that the Speaker is criticising... He was responding


to a point of order. Let's think about who has addressed Westminster


Hall in the past. President Barack Obama, Pope, Nelson Mandela. For


there to be a suggestion that at any point, certainly not now, president


dump in any way represented a leader who should be afforded that honour,


certainly it does not sit well with me and many colleagues across the


House. Alec Shelbrooke, I know you want to come back on that, but I


want to ask you, is this going anywhere? It seems that this will


not be a time for the House of Commons to have a big fight over the


Speaker, when there is a lot going on in the world. What would you


count as a successful number of signatories to your motion? I do not


want to put a number on it. I think it is interesting to see how people


feel. There are certainly talk in the lobbies of people who felt that


this had gone too far. I accept many of the things that Tasmina has said


about the way the Speaker handles points of order etc. But the point


is, you cannot politicised the office of Speaker, and it is a


political point which was made. I'm sure we will have much common ground


if we debate the rights and wrongs of Donald Trump.


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- two minutes for a guest Tonight, the turn of


journalist Nabila Ramdani. In an age of Brexit


and Trump plenty of people are predicting that


Marine Le Pen will become They present her as a breath


of fresh air, another straight-talking populist


who will return power to the people I've grown up listening


to Le Pen's poisonous discourse and I'm not prepared


to swallow the PR spin. Banding Brexit, Trump


and Le Pen together is I predicted a Trump


win because he had In contrast, Le Pen's power base


is in small town councils. If anything she's more


like Hillary Clinton. She's been knocking around


for decades and owes Beyond the media myth,


let's consider these hard facts. Marine Le Pen can't win


a parliamentary seat Her party, the Front National,


currently has two MPs. She's not an outsider


but an immensely wealthy The truth is, the FN


is a protest party. It often does well in first rounds


and then collapses in the Nabila Ramdani's views night. I hope


you saw the nationwide logo pop up in the middle of that.


And we'll be bringing you other perspectives


There is an existential struggle that plays out in various


impoverished parts of the world between endangered species


Most of us, I suspect, are on the side of the animals,


believing that other work should be found for the people.


But how far should we go to stop poaching?


It's a question raised in India at the moment,


where one of the great national parks is taking an extreme approach


When I say extreme, dozens of people have been killed and maimed,


and there are even allegations of villagers being tortured.


The international conservation charities that work


The BBC's South Asia correspondent Justin Rowlatt reports.


Kaziranga is a triumph of wildlife conservation.


There were just a handful of Indian rhinos here a


Now there are more than 2400, two thirds of the world


Wills and Kate paid a visit on their Indian tour.


The local people say they're paying a


July last year and a seven-year-old boy is rushed to hospital.


TRANSLATION: The forest gods were shouting


Then the forest gods suddenly shot me.


What is the condition of the wound now?


Akash's father explains how the hospital tried to graft muscle


Akash will never walk properly again.


The park says it was a terrible mistake and paid his


medical bills and $3000 compensation.


There was an outcry with hundreds protesting at the


mounting toll of death and injury in the park.


The issue is the park's ruthless anti-poaching strategy.


Oh, yes, there's a rhino just next to us.


Park rangers have been given extraordinary powers to protect


Whenever you see the poachers or any people during


night time we are ordered to shoot them.


The park says the right to shoot and kill is essential to


At first we have to warn them who are you.


If they resort to firing then we have to


First we try to arrest them so that we get the information,


what is their linkages, who are others in the gang.


He says the scale of the poaching menace


justifies an uncompromising approach.


But 50 people have been killed in the past three years alone.


In 2015 more people were shot dead in the park than rhinos.


And in the communities around Kaziranga there is growing disquiet.


This is one of many tribal groups that have


lived in or alongside the forest for centuries.


So look at this, this is the village road and


just over here is the National Park full of all those wild animals.


There are no fences, no signs, and if I was to step


across and into it there is a real danger that I could be shot.


His parents believe their son, who had severe learning


difficulties, was looking for a missing cow when he mistakenly


crossed into the park in December 2013.


TRANSLATION: My son was shot in the chest by park rangers.


I don't know whether they used an axe or


The park says guards fired when he did not respond to


TRANSLATION: I haven't filed a court case.


I don't know anything about how the law works.


These guards are preparing an ambush.


Kaziranga explains the high death toll saying poachers die in


Now, firm figures are hard to come by but according to


the reports we can find just one park guard has been killed by


Compare that to be more than 100 people shot dead by guards


The park is being run with utmost brutality.


There's no jury, no judge, there's no


questioning and the terrifying thing is that there are plans to roll out


this shoot on sight policy across the whole of India.


She says some of the world's biggest animal


conservation charities are turning a blind eye, including the World


It has funded combat and ambush training for Kaziranga's


guards and provided specialist equipment, including


Well, you know, the thing is, killing people, nobody is


comfortable with killing people, right.


What is needed is on ground protection.


This trade has to stop if the poaching has to stop.


Yes, so that has to stop if poaching has to stop.


What do you think your donors would feel about


WWF's involvement with a park which is involved in killing dozens


and dozens of people, with maiming people.


We want the whole thing is to reduce.


We don't want poaching to happen and the idea is to reduce


It's not just the Kaziranga authorities


but also the enforcement agencies, also the local people.


So I think the main thing is to work with the


But it isn't only Kaziranga's anti-poaching strategy


The park plans to double in size and an


The first villages were cleared in September.


The police respond, first with tear gas,


My husband was the only person I had.


I wanted to take his body away but they beat me up


and didn't allow me to take his body so I had to run away.


Diggers were brought in to destroy buildings.


And the National Park provided a team of


elephants that slowly and deliberately went through the


Critics see the wrecked village as yet more evidence of an overly


Of course, endangered species need preserving but is Kaziranga's


strategy placing the welfare of wildlife too far above the welfare


of the people we are told are best placed to protect it?


Justin Rowlatt. If you want to see a longer version of that.


Our World: Killing For Conservation is on the BBC News Channel at 9:30pm


It will be available to watch later via BBC iPlayer


If you Mr Trump news today, we haven't had that really, the latest


that just broke is the US appeals court has upheld the suspension of


the travel ban. The ban is still suspended. Otherwise that is all we


have time for. MLE will be here tomorrow. Good night.


Hello. It looks as though our cold theme continues for the rest of the


week and there will continue to be showers as well coming in off the


North Sea. Showers of rain primarily but further inland with a little bit


of height there will be some snow. The best of the sunshine on Friday


looks like it has been through Northern Ireland and bulk of




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